These references are interesting precisely in the light of what is already very clearly found in Vedic texts (RV 5.44.14-15) and ritual:
see my article THE BRAHMIN INTELLECTUAL: HISTORY, RITUAL AND “TIME OUT OF TIME” (JIPh 30 [2002]) paragr. 3.3.
Jan

3.3
We thus see that the ritual as well as the Brahmana-explanations

associated with it possess features inevitably undermining and doing away with the narrativity and historicity which, following Ricoeur’s

comprehensive analysis, at once pervade and shape mundane life. ... For instance when the sacrificer in the Soma-sacrifice

has undergone the consecration (diksa) he is declared consecrated (diksita) and one should not touch him nor call him by his own name until after the sacrifice is over (Caland and Henry 1906: 20–21).

... The Adhvaryu-priest, at the beginning of the main offering on new- or fullmoon day, is required to “think on Prajapati” (prajapatim manasa dhyayan, Apastamba Srauta Sutra 2.12.7).

... formulas such as the so-called Dasahotr (Taittiriya Aranyaka 3.1) which gives cosmic identifications of participants and instruments in the sacrifice (Apastamba Srauta Sutra 4.9.3). ...

The participants thus associate themselves with cosmic entities, or even lose their personalities of worldly narrative reality when they are identified as players in an ahistoric cosmic drama.


Prof. Dr. Jan E.M. Houben,
Directeur d Etudes « Sources et Histoire de la Tradition Sanskrite »
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Sciences historiques et philologiques,
Sorbonne – 54, rue Saint-Jacques
CS 20525 – 75005 Paris – France. 
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https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
 

On 29 September 2014 13:09, Dr. T. Ganesan <ganesan@ifpindia.org> wrote:

The statement nArudro [= nAshivaH, nAdevo] rudram arcayet / contains the fundamental Agamic/tantric view that one has to visualise oneself as [and thereby become] the God one worships and then proceed to the ritual of worship. This is the underlying theme  of all Agamic/tantraic worship which is NOT found in the Vedic/puranic tradition.

Ganesan




On 29-09-2014 15:22, Walter Slaje wrote:
This is interesting, as Maṅkha cherishes the opposite opinion, according to which no human (ruler), but only god, deserves praise - by man, e.g.:

mahat kaṣṭam aho hitvā yac charvaṃ sarvataḥśrutim[1] |

garvānavadhibādhiryo nareṇa stūyate naraḥ || Śrīkaṇṭhacarita 25.6 ||



[1] sarvataḥśrutim (em.)] sarvataḥ śrutim Ed.


​ Regards,
WS

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Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor

studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum

non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,

sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus

humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.

Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.


2014-09-29 11:00 GMT+02:00 Dr. T. Ganesan <ganesan@ifpindia.org>:

nAdevo devamarcayet might be a general statement; but in the ancient unpublished text of Sivadharma, there is a passage:
       

nārudraḥ saṁsmared rudraṃ nārudro rudram arcayet .

nārudraḥ kīrtayed rudraṃ nārudro rudram āpnuyāt  .. (Sivadharma, 1: 25)


This idea and the passage may be the basis for all later views expressed in the same fashion.

Ganesan


On 29-09-2014 02:45, Chiara Policardi wrote:

Dear List members,

what is the source of the citation “nAdevo devam arcayet”?

It is quoted as “vedic saying” (Coomaraswamy) and “tantrik saying” (Eliade and others), but I haven’t ever seen the precise reference.


Thanking you in advance,


Chiara Policardi

PhD student

La Sapienza University of Rome 



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