Dear all,

As a life long academic (so far), I have endorse without reservation both Robert's and Paolo's thoughtful and cogent statements.

Without the opposing side there is no dialogue and there is then a worse danger of monolithic views becoming dogma which we have seen all too much of is this world.

John 

BTW:
A modest Ironic note (criticizing Motilal is nothing more that a hot air in the desert)

If you search the Internet Google gets 1,340.000 references: 

Starting with: 
  • Mein Kampf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     

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    The angry ranting of an obscure, small-party politician, the first volume of Mein Kampfwas virtually ignored when it was originally published in 1925. Likewise ...
  • Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
     

    i. FOREWARD from Landsberg Am Lech, Fortress Prison. Volume One: A Reckoning. IN THE HOUSE OF MY PARENTS · YEARS OF STUDY AND SUFFERING ...
  • The History Place - Rise of Hitler: Hitler's Book "Mein Kampf"
     

    Although it is thought of as having been 'written' by Hitler, Mein Kampf is not a book in the usual sense. Hitler never actually sat down and pecked at a typewriter ...
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    ADOLF HITLER MEIN KAMPF Complete and Unabridged FULLY ANNOTATED EDITORIAL SPONSORS John Chamberlain Sidney B. Fay John Gunther Carlton  ...



  • John C. Huntington, Professor Emeritus
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    Field and Object Art Photography
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    On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Paolo Magnone <paolo.magnone@unicatt.it> wrote:
    Dear list,

    I resisted being dragged into this discussion, since right now I really do not have the time to spare. Still, lest I regret my supineness later, I feel I must take up my stand besides Robert, who

    has let a much needed dissenting voice be heard in a forum where, it seems, too many birds of a feather flock together. I second his every word, to which I would add a couple more of my own:

    1. I personally do not endorse the suppression of any BOOK, whether it be written by Hitler or by Satan in person. This is a very dangerous attitude which has often ended up in most unwelcome consequences, from the Qin great Burning of the Books, which we must thank for knowing virtually nothing genuine of ancient Chinese thought, onwards. And, you know, somebody’s “great Satan” may easily be different from someone else’s…
    2. For that matter, I do not even endorse the suppression of any THOUGHTS — there, I  have uttered this blasphemy! In the West, beside the alien tradition of the “holier than you” attitude and the attending crusade calls amply exemplified in this thread, we have another tradition, which I love better, of preferring critique over censorship. Unfortunately, nowadays a new cheap dogmatism of mind-benumbing shibboleths like democracy, freedom (whatever it may mean in the present context) with its appendage, freemarket (which is the real aim of it all) etc. is taking over the older church dogmatism in an appalling fashion.
    3. What MLBD chooses to publish, and their motives for publishing it, is none of our business. Western publishers are known for promoting whatever will bring money, irrespective of its worth. Even “indological” essays have been published by prestigious Western publishers whose main thrust (as can be gathered from their titles) lies in titillating the layman’s base instincts (I will not enter into which (essays) I regard as such).
    4. On a lighter note, the whole affair reminds me of the petty clerk tyrannized by his boss who takes out his frustraton on his wife and children. Sanksrit chairs are closed down all over the place,  university courses are managed by ignorant administratives like productive units of a company without scholars ever having a say, corporate companies are taking upon themselves to decide what is worth studying and what is not, but what we do to prove our weight and influence is call to account a FREE Indian publishing house for their publishing policy!

    Sorry if anyone should feel offended by my remarks, but, as they say, amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas.
    With best wishes,

    Paolo Magnone
    Sanskrit Language and Literature
    Catholic University of the Sacred Heart - Milan
    Study of Religions III (Hinduism) & IV (Buddhism)
    Theological Faculty of Northern Italy - Milan

    Jambudvipa  - Indology and Sanskrit Studies (www.jambudvipa.net)

    On 21/05/2014 14:55, Robert Zydenbos wrote:
    Dear Dominik (whom I owe more than you probably will ever know),
    
    Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
    
    
    Robert, I do not agree with most of your points.
    
    That is no surprise. :-) However, I would like to point out a few
    relevant matters that have gone unnoticed. You may actually decide to
    alter the wording of your petition, if you wish to go through with that.
    
    Below I will give some more thoughts about what is happening here (see
    esp. “Joachim Fest” below), based on information which anybody can read.
    But first a few clarifications:
    
    
    It has been said by me and others that the central argument here is
    that MLBD as an Indological publisher owned by Jains has no good
    justification for publishing /Mein Kampf/. MK is not an Indological
    work (and indology is MLBD's main business identity) and it is a
    work that promotes cruelty (MLBD is owned by a pious Jain family).
    
    Has anybody made the effort to look closely at the MLBD Website 
    http://www.mlbd.com ? Please go there. Then look not at the right edge, 
    but the left edge of the screen. What I see is a list that says 
    “Administration, Current Events, Fashion, Cooking, Medical,...” 
    Evidently, as booksellers, they already sell anything that is printed.
    
    I do not think it appropriate that we label an independent Indian 
    publishing house an “Indological publisher” and then pretend that we 
    overseas Indologists can decide what they should publish (e.g., whether 
    they should limit themselves to Indological publications or not). Like 
    it or not, they have already diversified.
    
    Also, let us leave it to the Jainas (at times, throughout their long
    history, a persecuted minority, whose traditions I have studied for 38
    years) to know how to survive in a pluralistic Indian society with their
    values intact. To turn the Jainas into a caricature (through a 
    simplistic formula "Jainism = ahiṃsā, therefore we will not allow them 
    to even remotely deal with anything violent in world history") is, in my 
    honest opinion, patronizing and not at all appropriate either.
    
    
    The internal controversy precisely shows how uncomfortable the
    Bavarian govt. is about publishing this work, even the crit. ed.
    
    It rather shows that the present government is dodgy and lets itself be
    swayed this way and that by lobbies. I have already given links to the
    relevant information, incl. the reaction of the leftist (yes! the Greens
    and the SPD) opposition in parliament.
    
    
    As we also know, other signs of Nazism are criminal offences in
    Germany (SS runes, Hakenkreuz, salutes, slogans, holocaust denial
    aimed at incitement, etc.; /Strafgezetzbuch/ para 86a, apparently).
    
    This is not relevant here. Possession of the book, also in Germany, is
    not punishable. In India, with its own laws, the book can be freely sold
    (like in the USA, for instance).
    
    
    Consistency: you exactly invert the truth. If the Indian Penal Code
    can be used to prevent the publication of relatively harmless
    academic books, then let it also be used for its original purpose, to
    prevent the publication of genuine hate literature. Let the law of
    the land be used to do some good.
    
    To clarify: I wrote about consistency in the stance of the overseas
    academic community, not about an impossible consistency spanning several
    Indian publishers and diverse sections of the Indian populace.
    
    I am not aware that, in this case, that Indian law has been invoked in
    India by any person who has felt aggrieved. The continued existence of
    other editions of Mein Kampf since decades sufficiently shows that this
    is so.
    
    
    Effectiveness: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is
    for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
    
    That is a nice quote, even if it is apocryphal
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke#Good_men_do_nothing).
    
    I am concerned about the condescending, really very eurocentric
    displays of emotionalism in this thread which are unlikely to generate
    any real understanding in India, but resentment instead. (I remember a
    soft-mannered Indian diplomat (!) here in Munich who once innocently
    asked me: “Why is everybody here so upset by the use of a good word like
    ‘Aryan’?”)
    
    
    [...] when I have conversations with friends in India about the
    European experiences during the two World Wars, they are often
    horrified and had no idea beforehand about the Holocaust and other
    facts.
    
    Superfluousness: Yes the book is not on the front page of MLBD's
    website today. But they are apparently still selling Mein Kampf,
    together with a DVD of a film.
    
    Please, Dominik... stay cool, have a good look and read the text
    (http://www.mlbd.com/BookDecription.aspx?id=14737). That film is a
    documentary by Joachim Fest, Germany's best-known historian for the
    Nazi period (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Fest – I love the
    last sentence in that article).
    
    The film: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_%E2%80%93_Eine_Karriere
    
    That film is just the sort of thing which we WANT to see distributed
    anywhere, also in India.
    
    The idea of packaging the film by Fest with that book is excellent. It
    is a way of saying ‘here is that book that everybody is reading –
    together with a serious explanation of just what it is.’
    
    
    It seems that they have changed the edition that they are selling, or
    at least the covers illustration. I am not yet sure about the meaning
    of this change.
    
    Offering the award-winning Fest film suggests that the meaning is to
    seriously inform the public.
    
    My conclusion, for the time being, is that MLBD may be doing something
    brilliant: jumping onto the bandwagon and at the same time diverting the
    course of that bandwagon. It is constructive engagement. Why should
    anyone want to stop that?
    
    
    "Discriminatory"? How? Because we haven't written to every
    publisher?
    
    I will tell you how. My use of the word “discriminatory” was meant as a 
    short recapitulation of what I wrote earlier in that same posting of 
    mine: “What effectively is being said is ‘Americans and Israelis should 
    read the book, but it is too dangerous for you foolish Indians to have 
    it’.” And I believe it is VERY bad for Indologists (of all people!) to 
    create such an impression.
    
    The way things stand now, it almost seems that you are rebuking MLBD
    because they want to distribute a genuinely informative film along with
    the book (which booksellers and publishers like Amazon, Jaico a.o. do
    not do).
    
    
    "Not Indological?" Well, that's point, isn't it? Why should an
    Indological publisher promote Mein Kampf?
    
    Please forget about MLBD being an “Indological publisher” (see above). 
    It is not a valid argument.
    
    Furthermore, one can hardly call it ‘promoting’ when MK is bundled with
    the Fest documentary.
    
    
    Or do you mean that we shouldn't discuss this issue because it isn't
    Indological?
    
    I am discussing it! But a serious Indologist who deals also with
    contemporary India and its more recent cultural history and living
    culture must also take into consideration “the complex dynamics of
    Indian democracy today”, as Ram-Prasad Chakravarthi rightly mentioned.
    
    
    "Publicitywise counter-productive"? We don't yet know, do we? MLBD
    has removed the advertisement from their website's front page
    already, within 24 hours.
    
    (Without your petition, mind you. Think about that.)
    
    I am thinking of possible headlines like: “Arrogant Western
    ‘Indologists’ tell Indians to read Doniger's blasphemous, perverted
    fantasies, want to forbid Indians to read embarrassing historical text
    from the West”, or “Forget real history, Indians! Go for Wendy's sick
    dreams”.
    
    
    You want MLBD to sell Mein Kampf?
    
    I would also like people to stop selling cigarettes, pornography, and a
    few other things. (I believe cigarettes kill more people than Mein Kampf
    does.)
    
    Selling MK together with the Fest film? Not a bad idea, as I have
    explained above.
    
    And I would like to repeat my question: has anybody seen this MLBD
    edition? (No, of course not.) Does it have (like the translation which I
    have) an explanatory preface that says people have a right to see this
    classical text about a criminal mentality, so that they can recognize it
    when it crops up again? And how many of us have seen that DVD with the
    Fest film?
    
    If any reader here wishes to join the petition, thinking that this will 
    give him / her a nice, warm feeling, then of course I cannot stop them. 
    Nor can I prevent any smug, ill-informed, knee-jerk politically correct, 
    patronizing, see-how-good-I-am statements from being made. But in view 
    of everything that I have said here and in my previous posting, let it 
    be understood that I cannot join.
    
    I also thank those list members who, unwilling to jump into the 
    emotionalized fray for a variety of reasons, have written words of 
    appreciation to me off-list.
    
    Sincerely,
    
    Robert
    
    P.S. Before anyone thinks up cute ideas: I am not a German (I just work 
    here in Munich). The study of contemporary India is part of my 
    professional duty. I have no Nazis among my relatives, but I do have 
    Jews among them, also in my ancestry. I too lost relatives in WW2 whom I 
    never met. And nobody is paying me to write these postings.
    
    




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