On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Richard Salomon <rsalomon@u.washington.edu> wrote:

On the other hand, this usage is not exclusively South Asian. For instance, in Yiddish a little girl is referred to/addressed as "mamele" = "little mother." I would imagine there are (many?) other such cases from other languages/cultures.

Rich Salomon
On 5/23/2013 9:53 AM, Dipak Bhattacharya wrote:
Perhaps this is not pan-Southasian. In my school days a Sikh batchmate asked me why Bengali fathers called their daughters or girls of their daughter's age 'Ma!'
Calling a young woman 'Ma' is of course an honour as well as sign of responsibility of protection. This is characteristic of Bengali Muslims too. I have pleasant experience of that. Long ago travelling for a night in the Madras Mail I got an 'Instant ticket'. An 'Instant ticket' at that time assured entry without the guarantee of a berth. A Muslim gentleman watched us checking from berth to berth and at last assured my daughter on his own, 'For mother there will be no problem of a berth'. To me he said, 'Why! Your daughter is not my daughter?'
There is a famous story about Shvaji that a Muslim young woman was captured by his men and brought before him. Shivaji told her,
'If my mother were like you I would have been a handsome man.' That guaranteed protection.
Best
DB

From: Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala@gmail.com>
To: Howard Resnick <hr@ivs.edu>
Cc: Indology List <indology@list.indology.info>
Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] mAtAjI

This phenomenon is pan-South Asian. It is very common to address women as 'mother' 'maa/amma/aayi' and men as 'father' 'baapu, ayya, appa'. It is also common across linguistic families to address sons and daughters endearingly as 'mother' and 'father'.

Suresh.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Howard Resnick <hr@ivs.edu> wrote:

Thank you, Matthew, for raising these key questions. Gaudiya [Bengali] Vaishnava communities, expanding around the world, typically follow and teach this "rule" of addressing women as 'mother.' Are they merely propagating a Bengali Hindu custom? Or does it include Bengali Muslims? Is the custom, to any degree, pan-Hindu? pan-South Asian?
Thanks to Jonathan and Somadeva for their information.

Howard

On May 23, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei@UCHICAGO.EDU> wrote:

> This thread included the comment that in Bengal men address even their daughters as Ma, and so far as I know this is indeed the case.
>
> Two questions:
>
> Is this so widespread outside of Bengal?
> Among Bengalis, is the use confined to Hindus or is it current among Muslims as well?
>
> Both of these questions, of course, are pertinent to the issue of whether or not this should be
> considered 'Hindu' usage?
>
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