[INDOLOGY] Final Developments Concerning GRETIL

Wed Jul 30 09:38:19 UTC 2025

Dear Christophe,

how the collection is displayed in TextGrid indeed needs to be worked  
on. The editors, introductions and references are encoded as before in  
the TEI source files, "just" not shown in the interface. You can get  
to the source by following the link on the left of the standard  
rendering: Download - Object (TEI). Compare for

- Rāmodanta:  
https://textgridlab.org/1.0/tgcrud-public/rest/textgrid:49m88.0/data

In this case the references you have given were garbled in the  
conversion,  they of course need to be restored. I will personally see  
to it.

- Rākṣasakāvya with Ṭīkā:  
https://textgridlab.org/1.0/tgcrud-public/rest/textgrid:49m8p.0/data

- Mīmāṃsāsūtra:  
https://textgridlab.org/1.0/tgcrud-public/rest/textgrid:49p2f.0/data

- Kāvyālaṃkāra:  
https://textgridlab.org/1.0/tgcrud-public/rest/textgrid:49m14.0/data

Best wishes,
Max

PS I've sent the same answer to Christophe, Claudius and José earlier  
from an email-alias without realising that it won't be posted on the  
list that way.

Zitat von Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>:

> It is very disappointing to see that in this new version all the  
> names of the editors/input makers of each text have disappeared, as  
> well as the introductions to the inputs, especially when the  
> introductions give important explanations (of the abbreviations used  
> in the apparatus etc., since it is sometimes more than a "simple"  
> input). It does not appear to me to be a fair re-use of the work  
> made by the scholars who contributed to the original corpus. Note  
> that the 2020-07-31 "TEI encoding by mass conversion of GRETIL's  
> Sanskrit corpus" had already introduced many slight errors in the  
> text-references (impossible to correct...)
>
> Testing the case of my modest contributions to the corpus,
> Compare:  
> http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/corpustei/transformations/html/sa_rAmodanta.htm ("structure reference" + "contributor's  
> note")
> and https://textgridrep.org/browse/49m89.0 ,  
> https://textgridrep.org/browse/49m88.0 : the text appears as  
> something due to Reinhold Grünendahl as collector, and the text,  
> without introduction, appears without any reference or numbering of  
> verses.
> or  
> http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/corpustei/transformations/html/sa_ravideva-rAkSasakAvyawithTIkA.htm
> with https://textgridrep.org/browse/49m8q.0 (again the text appears  
> twice) and https://textgridrep.org/browse/49m8p.0 : same problems,  
> no comment...
>
> I would add the the examples of Pohlus ed. of the MSBh:
> http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/corpustei/transformations/html/sa_jaimini-mImAMsAsUtra-1-7-comm.htm
> searching s.v. Śabara  this input does not appear (it is instead the  
> input of MSBh 1.1.1-5 by Vasudeva) - after some searching, compare:  
> https://textgridrep.org/browse/49p2f.0
>
> or Goodall's ed. of Bhāmaha's Kāvyālaṃkāra:  
> http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/corpustei/transformations/html/sa_bhAmaha-kAvyAlaMkAra.htm
> compare https://textgridrep.org/browse/49m14.0
>
> Same problems: disappearance of the references etc.
> In the state they are displayed for the moment, it is not possible  
> to use these inputs.
>
> I would add that to declare something "distributed under a Creative  
> Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International  
> License" (as it is said for each text) when the authors of the  
> inputs/editions are not at all mentioned, or, if it would further  
> happen they are, in making their work corrupt or unreadable, is  
> really problematic.
>
> Even if to move within Github environment is not so easy (to me), at  
> the least the work made by Claudius Teodorescu seems to give in a  
> faithful manner the original files like they are on GRETIL at the  
> moment.
>
> bw,
>
> Christophe
>
> Le 22 juil. 2025 à 17:33, Maximilian Mehner via INDOLOGY  
> <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a  
> écrit :
>
> Dear Claudius,
>
> it’s truly encouraging to see how much effort you’ve invested!  
> However, as merging your versions with the ones on TextGrid would  
> constitute a content update, this is exactly the sort of work that  
> will not happen. Perhaps consider it to be different redactions of  
> the same corpus. And as in both redactions at least the more recent  
> changes are well documented, users should be in a good position to  
> make an informed decision about which version best suits their needs.
>
> Best regards,
> Max
>
> Am 25/07/22 11:43, schrieb Claudius Teodorescu:
> Dear David, José, and Maximilian,
>
> Congratulations for the initiative of saving *endangered data*, as we may
> call it like this, when the funding is lacking.
>
> I would like to mention that, for the GRETIL Search Interface which I
> prepared some time ago see [1], I have improved all the files in
> the 1_sanskr folder, in order to make them valid XML files firstly, and
> valid TEI files, secondly. A change log of the improvements can be found at
> [2].
>
> Maybe we can merge the versions of these files, in order to have a single
> source of truth.
>
> Best regards,
> Claudius Teodorescu
>
> [1]  
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fclaudius-teodorescu.gitlab.io%2Fgretil-corpus-site%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C8fb13ff877a64296b8ef08ddc9353aa4%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C1%7C0%7C638887952758691069%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=eFkdlH%2FHoTRceyXWSys%2Fy0Yu0p4VZv1GQzSZg%2BSUn7A%3D&reserved=0<https://claudius-teodorescu.gitlab.io/gretil-corpus-site/>
> [2]
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fsanskrit-texts%2Fgretil-corpus%3Ftab%3Dreadme-ov-file%23changes&data=05%7C02%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C8fb13ff877a64296b8ef08ddc9353aa4%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C1%7C0%7C638887952758709711%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MneoZdD6dIjcCVaXqB5iELx3oK%2BRFFSLYS4yW8kmF44%3D&reserved=0<https://github.com/sanskrit-texts/gretil-corpus?tab=readme-ov-file>
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 at 17:01, Maximilian Mehner via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
> Dear list members,
>
> in light of last week’s discussion on the sustainability of digital
> projects, I would like to share some important updates - or more precisely:
> final developments - regarding GRETIL.
>
> The directors of the Göttingen State and University Library (SUB) have
> been approached by the German Oriental Society (DMG), Dominik Wujastyk and
> myself on multiple occasions. We all emphasised the significance of GRETIL
> as a service and appealed for its continued support. Regrettably, it has
> become clear that the only form of institutional backing they are willing
> to provide is for the long-term preservation of the data.
>
> Fortunately, this responsibility has been entrusted to a colleague with a
> background in digital humanities, José Calvo Tello, who has a genuine
> interest in enhancing the corpus. He even managed to employ a PhD student
> of the Indology department, David Herting, for a couple of weeks.
>
> The announcement we are circulating reads as follows:
>
> Over the course of the last months we at the Göttingen State and
> University Library (SUB) have been working on the migration of the the
> Göttingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages (GRETIL) to a
> new platform and we are now very happy to announce that GRETIL has found a
> new home in the TextGrid repository:
>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftextgridrep.org%2Fproject%2FTGPR-2ba9cb1b-9602-202d-71ce-67e63a29de55&data=05%7C02%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C8fb13ff877a64296b8ef08ddc9353aa4%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C1%7C0%7C638887952758724488%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nLm21DokjR%2BIXcwboo0MtWvVQj4JVUOQ5gdy2WiRMGw%3D&reserved=0<https://textgridrep.org/project/TGPR-2ba9cb1b-9602-202d-71ce-67e63a29de55>
>
> In its current state there are still some irregularities concerning the
> rendering of certain elements, but these are being worked on. We would
> nevertheless be very glad to kindly invite you to test out GRETIL in this
> new environment.
>
> Please note that from a content perspective GRETIL is regarded as a closed
> project by the SUB. This means that we, unfortunately, do not have
> resources to add new texts or to make philological emendations to the
> existing material. Any feedback should therefore be limited to technical
> errors only. If, however, you are working on specific collections of Indic
> material, the SUB will be able to assist you in integrating your work into
> the TextGrid repository as a new project and thus integrating it in the
> same repository that contains GRETIL. You can reach out to:
>
> José Calvo Tello,  
> calvotello at sub.uni-goettingen.de<mailto:calvotello at sub.uni-goettingen.de>
>
> for your technical feedback.
>
> The old GRETIL website is still online and will be available at least
> until the end of the year. The new GRETIL in TextGrid also offers the old
> cumulative ZIP file downloads in its previous form (now integrated into the
> DARIAH-DE Repository).The GRETIL e-library will soon be available on the
> edocs server of the Göttingen University (
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedocs.sub.uni-goettingen.de%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C8fb13ff877a64296b8ef08ddc9353aa4%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C1%7C0%7C638887952758741000%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZzIcHryEhfBTDkvch%2B9PdtVHBCfkG9x4%2B%2F9ly3ZOm5I%3D&reserved=0<https://edocs.sub.uni-goettingen.de/>).
>
> In the Pali collection, we were not able to migrate the digital facsimiles
> of the Pali Text Society editions due to the special layout requirements of
> these texts. Please do reach out to us, if you want to work with us on this
> issue.
>
> We have presented an in depth explanation of our work and GRETIL in
> TextGrid during the poster session of the DARIAH annual event in Göttingen,
> on June 19,  
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fannualevent.dariah.eu%2Fprogramme%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C8fb13ff877a64296b8ef08ddc9353aa4%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C1%7C0%7C638887952758753131%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Qqj2uDf1IUGDJjTqrOx1wlUgznJHip2I0E%2BYjMGWE%2FQ%3D&reserved=0<https://annualevent.dariah.eu/programme/> . The poster can  
> be
> seen at  
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzenodo.org%2Frecords%2F15828259&data=05%7C02%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C8fb13ff877a64296b8ef08ddc9353aa4%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C1%7C0%7C638887952758765016%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=yCu%2FjlZYawdKNX1SNXvCDtcHcIshp%2FVedjpTsfv%2Flzk%3D&reserved=0<https://zenodo.org/records/15828259>
>
> We will also be presenting at the 35th Deutscher Orientalistentag DOT
> 2025, Erlangen, Septembre 9, 11:30-12:00, in the session on long-term
> archiving of DH projects.
>
> With this migration to TextGrid we are sincerely hoping to offer GRETIL a
> sustainable and connected future, so it can continue to be useful for the
> scholarly community.
>
> Best regards,
> David Herting
> José Calvo Tello
> Maximilian Mehner
>
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