[INDOLOGY] Introducing Dharmamitra.org, grammatical analyzers and machine translation for Sanskrit (Sebastian Nehrdich)

Thu Aug 29 13:14:09 UTC 2024

Looks fantastic, Sebastian! The new grammar feature seems super slick. As
you've mentioned so many times, let the user beware of relying blindly on
results, but as a supplemental tool, it's a jewel. 💎

Coding up corresponding changes in Skrutable as we speak... 😉

Tyler

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> From: Sebastian Nehrdich <nehrdbsd at gmail.com>
> To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 07:15:02 +0900
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Introducing Dharmamitra.org, grammatical analyzers and
> machine translation for Sanskrit
> Dear List members,
>
> This is to briefly introduce dharmamitra.org, a project lead by Kurt
> Keutzer and myself at BAIR, UC Berkeley, focussing on providing various
> GenAI-driven applications for classical Asian languages.
>
> We recently finished work on a set of neural Sanskrit grammatical analyzer
> tools together with Oliver Hellwig based on the annotations of the DCS.
> This annotation system is now part of the interactive interface at
> dharmamitra.org: When typing Sanskrit input into the translation box, a
> button with the label 'grammar' appears below the translation box and when
> clicking on this, the analyzed Sanskrit sentences become visible. This
> tools currently provides word segmentation, lemmatization and
> morphosyntactic tagging.
>
> We also have inference scripts for this system on this github repository
> for those of you who want to run the tools independently on their own
> machine (a GPU is advisable as it might otherwise be very slow):
> https://github.com/sebastian-nehrdich/sanskrit-analyzers
> Among these applications you will also find dependency parsing for Vedic
> Sanskrit, a function we do not yet support interactively on the website,
>
> A publication on the architecture, data etc. used for these tools is
> currently on the way.
>
> We also are open to providing API access for individuals and projects that
> would like to use these tools in their workflow. Feel free to contact us if
> you are interested!
>
> Dharmamitra.org also works on providing machine translation capabilities
> for Sanskrit into English and other languages. In case you are interested
> in this topic and would like to learn more, perhaps even collaborate or
> contribute in some way, feel free to reach out to us. We are more than
> happy to work together with people that want to explore the possibilities
> of this technology.
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Sebastian Nehrdich
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu>
> To: Matthew Kapstein <mattkapstein at proton.me>
> Cc: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:19:47 -0700
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya
> Thank you Matthew. If I understand correctly your reference to autonomy
> and heteronomy, then among many applications it reminds me of the common
> scenario where Indra feels threatened by an aspiring yogī or tapasvī, and
> sends an apsara to break the yogī’s tapas and thus neutralize his power.
> Thus the yogī loses his autonomy and with it his power. In that sense
> extreme tapas might be seen as liberating the soul from dependence on the
> body, with extreme detachment producing extreme power.
>
> Just an idea…
>
> Thanks again,
> Howard
>
> On Aug 28, 2024, at 1:20 AM, Matthew Kapstein <mattkapstein at proton.me>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Howard,
>
> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer,
> may have written about this, but I’m away from my library and can’t recall
> exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which
> would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of
> the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you.
>
> good luck
> Matthew
>
> Sent from Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> for iOS
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info
> <On+Wed,+Aug+28,+2024+at+05:29,+Howard+Resnick+via+INDOLOGY+%3C%3Ca+href=>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Scholars,
>
> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially
> itihāsa-purāṇa, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya — serious austerity
> -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of
> a Deva, Ṛṣi, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable.
>
> I’m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the
> empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and
> detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing
> like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient
> literature.
>
> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the
> previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga.
>
> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous
> Mahābhārata story of Ambā who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as
> a result, took birth as Śikhaṇḍī and enabled the killing of Bhīṣma at
> Kurukṣetra.
>
> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific
> mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya
> as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a
> process in which tapasya is also heavily involved.
>
> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for
> any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link
> between severe self-abnegation and power.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Howard
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu>
> To: Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> Cc: Matthew Kapstein <mattkapstein at proton.me>, Indology List <
> indology at list.indology.info>
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:28:57 -0700
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya
> Thank you Nagaraj. How do interpret the appositional relation between
> śrānta and tapta?
>
> On Aug 28, 2024, at 2:24 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Brihadaranyaka Upanishad uses the word tap in both the senses of burning
> and deep meditation connecting the two meanings into one. It uses the words
> s'raanta and tapta sequentially hinting at a synonimity between them.
>
> asya śrāntasya taptasya tejoraso niravartatāgniḥ || BrhUp_1,2.2 ||
>
> so 'kāmayata -- bhūyasā yajñena bhūyo yajeyeti |
> so 'śrāmyat |
> sa tapo 'tapyata |
> tasya śrāntasya taptasya yaśo vīryam udakrāmat |
> prāṇā vai yaśo vīryam |
> tat prāṇeṣūtkrānteṣu śarīraṃ śvayitum adhriyata |
> tasya śarīra eva mana āsīt || BrhUp_1,2.6 ||
>
> tasmāt sarvadevatyaṃ prokṣitaṃ prājāpatyam ālabhante |
> eṣa vā aśvamedho ya eṣa tapati |
> tasya saṃvatsara ātmā |
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 1:50 PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Hi Howard,
>>
>> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer,
>> may have written about this, but I’m away from my library and can’t
>> recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a
>> Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the
>> autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that
>> interests you.
>>
>> good luck
>> Matthew
>>
>> Sent from Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> for iOS
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info
>> <On+Wed,+Aug+28,+2024+at+05:29,+Howard+Resnick+via+INDOLOGY+%3C%3Ca+href=>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Scholars,
>>
>> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially
>> itihāsa-purāṇa, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya — serious austerity
>> -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of
>> a Deva, Ṛṣi, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable.
>>
>> I’m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the
>> empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and
>> detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing
>> like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient
>> literature.
>>
>> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the
>> previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga.
>>
>> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous
>> Mahābhārata story of Ambā who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as
>> a result, took birth as Śikhaṇḍī and enabled the killing of Bhīṣma at
>> Kurukṣetra.
>>
>> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of
>> pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of
>> course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining
>> yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved.
>>
>> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for
>> any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link
>> between severe self-abnegation and power.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
> Dean, IndicA
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu>
> To: Edwin Bryant <edbryant at religion.rutgers.edu>
> Cc: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:00:31 -0700
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya
> Thank you for your interesting comments, and your very interesting paper
> on Yoga-sūtra ontology.
>
> Can you say more on the specific way that tapasya connects the puruṣa to
> unlimited power or being, within the Sāṅkhya system?
>
> Gratefully,
> Howard
>
> On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:50 AM, Edwin Bryant <edbryant at religion.rutgers.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Yoga Sutras IV.1 indicates that siddhis can be attained though 5 different
> methods, one of which is tapas (even as Patanjali is clear that these are
> of no interest to those seeking samadhi, but only to those whose minds are
> flowing "outward," [III.37], viz, towards bhoga).  As you note, claims
> pertaining to the attainment of siddhis are accepted without question by
> almost all traditions, Buddhist, Jain and Vaidica, in  both folk (e.g.
> Puranic literature and its offshoots) and rationalist expressions
> (e.g.Nyaya and Vedanta).  These are very serious thinkers whose
> accomplishments continue to impress us today: you do well to engage such
> claims seriously rather than in a facile ,reflexive manner.
>
> For an extended discussion on the metaphysics underpinning the siddhis as
> logical and coherent extensions of Samkhya philosophical presuppositions,
> see:
>
>
> https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/wp-content/uploads/sites/169/2023/12/s42240-020-00073-z.pdf
>
> EB.
>
>
>
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> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2024 3:29 PM
> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] tapasya
>
> Dear Scholars,
>
> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially
> itihāsa-purāṇa, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya — serious austerity
> -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of
> a Deva, Ṛṣi, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable.
>
> I’m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the
> empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and
> detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing
> like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient
> literature.
>
> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the
> previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga.
>
> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous
> Mahābhārata story of Ambā who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as
> a result, took birth as Śikhaṇḍī and enabled the killing of Bhīṣma at
> Kurukṣetra.
>
> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific
> mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya
> as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a
> process in which tapasya is also heavily involved.
>
> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for
> any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link
> between severe self-abnegation and power.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Howard
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu>
> To: "Michaels, Prof. Dr. Axel" <michaels at hcts.uni-heidelberg.de>
> Cc: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:17:36 -0700
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya
> Thank you very much for your kind help.
> Best wishes,
> Howard
>
> On Aug 28, 2024, at 8:08 AM, Michaels, Prof. Dr. Axel via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> I guess you know the following study (in German): Monika Shee: *tapas und tapasvin in
> der erzählenden Partien des Mahābhārata*. Hamburg: Verlag Dr. Inge
> Wezler, 1986.
> It’s a detailed philological study. Pp. 204-14 (“*tapas*, *yoga*, *sa**ṃ*
> *nyāsa*” and ”*tapas* und Magie”) seem to be especially instructive for
> your question. If you need a scan, don’t hesitate to let it me know.
> Best wishes,
> Axel / Michaels
>
>
> *From: *INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of "
> indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Reply to: *Patrick Olivelle <jpo at austin.utexas.edu>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 28. August 2024 at 16:12
> *To: *Matthew Kapstein <mattkapstein at proton.me>
> *Cc: *"indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya
>
> There is also the book by Walter O. Kaelber, *Tapta Mārga.*
> <image001.png>
> Tapta Marga: Asceticism and Initiation in Vedic India
> <https://www.amazon.com/Tapta-Marga-Asceticism-Initiation-Vedic-India/dp/0887068138>
> amazon.com
> <https://www.amazon.com/Tapta-Marga-Asceticism-Initiation-Vedic-India/dp/0887068138>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:20 AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Hi Howard,
>
> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer,
> may have written about this, but I’m away from my library and can’t recall
> exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which
> would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of
> the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you.
>
> good luck
> Matthew
>
> Sent from Proton Mail <https://proton.me/mail/home> for iOS
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info
> <On%20Wed,%20Aug%2028,%202024%20at%2005:29,%20Howard%20Resnick%20via%20INDOLOGY%20%3c%3ca%20href=>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Scholars,
>
> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially
> itihāsa-purāṇa, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya — serious
> austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the
> agency of a Deva, Ṛṣi, or other superior being. The examples are almost
> innumerable.
>
> I’m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the
> empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and
> detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing
> like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient
> literature.
>
> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the
> previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga.
>
> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous
> Mahābhārata story of Ambā who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as
> a result, took birth as Śikhaṇḍī and enabled the killing of Bhīṣma at
> Kurukṣetra.
>
> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific
> mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya
> as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a
> process in which tapasya is also heavily involved.
>
> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for
> any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link
> between severe self-abnegation and power.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Howard
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 11:51:59 +0200
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] sinhalese thūpavaṃsaya manuscript
> Dear listmembers,
>
> may be someone among you got a copy of the above mentioned manuscript?
> The British Library is closed for this services.
>
> Thank you
>
> Heiner
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