From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Thu Aug 1 07:45:32 2024 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:45:32 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_KCHR_Webinar_-_Ka=E1=B9=87akkatik?= =?utf-8?q?=C4=81ram=3A_A_History_of_Premodern_Malayalam_Mathematics_by_Ar?= =?utf-8?q?un_Ashokan_+_51st_AIOC_2nd_circular?= References: Message-ID: D?but du message r?exp?di? : Sir/Ma'am, Kerala Council for Historical Research invites you to the next talk in our Webinar Series Ka?akkatik?ram: A History of Premodern Malayalam Mathematics Arun Ashokan 3 pm | Tuesday, August 6, 2024 To join the webinar: https://zoom.us/j/96497404283 Ka?akkatik?ram is a genre of elementary mathematical treatises in Tamilized Malayalam, available today in such forms as palm-leaf manuscript, paper transcript, as well as print. The genre also exists in Tamil. These treatises have enjoyed substantial circulation in medieval and colonial Kerala and Tamil Nadu. The style of the composition of the Malayalam Ka?akkatik?ram is in medieval p???u verses that are followed by prose commentary. From internal evidence, we can presume that the preliminary composition of verses in these treatises probably happened in the 14-16 c, although it did continue till the 19th century. These treatises mainly comprise the mathematical operations of counting, adding, multiplying, dividing and subtracting. Its content follows a loose order starting with invocations to deities, followed by the table of contents, lists of fractions and large decimal powers, measurement units, explanations of some mathematical operations like multiplication of fractions and summation of some finite series, and word problems dealing with calculation of land, gold, paddy, rice, wood, etc. It is difficult to know anything accurate about the author(s) or the period of composition of Malayalam Ka?akkatik?ram treatises. But it is almost certain that these treatises consist of contributions by people from a non-elite and lower caste background. The references in the text indicate that the knowledge contained in these treatises emerged in and disseminated through interconnected historical contexts such as those of production and distribution, trade and utilization, nature and ecology, governance and performance, pedagogy and erudition, etc. Arun Ashokan is a researcher who has completed his post-doctorate from the Chair of History and Philosophy of Mathematical Sciences, ETH Zurich. 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(Holy Mother Sarada Devi) ?We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself.? (Carl Sagan) > On Aug 1, 2024, at 10:37?AM, Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > The following books of mine have recently come out: > > - Studies in the Sarvadar?anasa?graha. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass Publishing House. 2024. ISBN: 978-93-5966-376-0 (Hardcover); 978-93-5966-021-9 (Paperback). > > - Extreme religious behaviours: Where religious practice and biological evolution clash. De Gruyter. Religion and Reason, 70. 2024. ISBN: 978-3-11-137421-5. ISSN: 0080-0848. > https://doi.org/10.1515/9783111374406 > https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783111374406/html > (For those interested, there is a summer sale offering 50% off the regular price when using the code DGBSS24 at the checkout, valid until the end of August.) > > A third book ? Compendium of All Philosophies, being an edition and translation of the Sarvadar?anasa?graha which I prepared for inclusion in the Murty Classical Library of India ? will not appear in that series due to a disagreement about the content of the title page. > > Best wishes, > > Johannes Bronkhorst > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From victorvanbijlert at live.nl Thu Aug 1 14:49:14 2024 From: victorvanbijlert at live.nl (Victor Van Bijlert) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 14:49:14 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Books In-Reply-To: <67A85E96-25E8-4DEA-BC23-53CAEC809424@unil.ch> References: <67A85E96-25E8-4DEA-BC23-53CAEC809424@unil.ch> Message-ID: Looking forward to the Sarvadarshanasamgraha. You were aware that my translation of Nyaya Sutra appeared with Routledge? Warm regards Victor van Bijlert Verzonden vanaf Outlook voor Android ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 4:37:50 PM To: indology at list.indology.info Subject: [INDOLOGY] Books Dear colleagues, The following books of mine have recently come out: - Studies in the Sarvadar?anasa?graha. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass Publishing House. 2024. ISBN: 978-93-5966-376-0 (Hardcover); 978-93-5966-021-9 (Paperback). - Extreme religious behaviours: Where religious practice and biological evolution clash. De Gruyter. Religion and Reason, 70. 2024. ISBN: 978-3-11-137421-5. ISSN: 0080-0848. https://doi.org/10.1515/9783111374406 https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783111374406/html (For those interested, there is a summer sale offering 50% off the regular price when using the code DGBSS24 at the checkout, valid until the end of August.) A third book ? Compendium of All Philosophies, being an edition and translation of the Sarvadar?anasa?graha which I prepared for inclusion in the Murty Classical Library of India ? will not appear in that series due to a disagreement about the content of the title page. Best wishes, Johannes Bronkhorst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harshadehejia at hotmail.com Thu Aug 1 23:27:03 2024 From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 23:27:03 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Shatakam Message-ID: Friends: Could someone suggest an essay on Sanskrit shatakams, pdf if possible. Many thanks. Harsha Harsha V. Dehejia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass Publishing House. 2024. ISBN: 978-93-5966-376-0 (Hardcover); 978-93-5966-021-9 (Paperback). - Extreme religious behaviours: Where religious practice and biological evolution clash. De Gruyter. Religion and Reason, 70. 2024. ISBN: 978-3-11-137421-5. ISSN: 0080-0848. https://doi.org/10.1515/9783111374406 https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783111374406/html (For those interested, there is a summer sale offering 50% off the regular price when using the code DGBSS24 at the checkout, valid until the end of August.) A third book ? Compendium of All Philosophies, being an edition and translation of the Sarvadar?anasa?graha which I prepared for inclusion in the Murty Classical Library of India ? will not appear in that series due to a disagreement about the content of the title page. 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She published a useful monograph on the Param?ras based on her Delhi University PhD and a number of of articles on the Bull/Horseman Coins of he Sultans of Ghazna and Sassanian coins found in India in addition to papers on coin collections in Indian museums. She was a faculty member of Delhi University?s Department of History and served for some years as its Head. Pratipal never married and is survived by a number of siblings. Her Antim Ardas will be performed this coming August 10th. She will be missed by her friends and colleagues. Dr. R.P. Goldman William and Catherine Magistretti Professor of Sanskrit Emeritus and Professor in the Graduate School Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies Berkeley, CA 94720-2540 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 20:45:10 2024 From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:45:10 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Descriptive sanskrit manuscript catalogues best practices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear list members, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Does a catalogue describe *works* or *manuscripts*? > > Almost all catalogues of Indian MSS describe works. .... ..... > [this] also leads to the suppression of non-work materials such as > marginalia, glosses, scribal verses and so on. > > A recent example of how important this "marginalia etc." (in this case annotations) can be , so also the importance of noting it in a catalog record. A while ago I was sent the etext of ?r?vidyanityapaddhati by Sahib Kaul for uploading to the Muktabodha digital library. Because at that time there was discussion going on about whether etexts should be diplomatic transcriptions, I checked it against the actual manuscript in archive.org. https://archive.org/download/ShriVidyaNityaPaddhatiOfSahibKaulAlm27Shlf260531673KDevanagariTantra/Shri%20Vidya%20Nitya%20Paddhati%20of%20Sahib%20Kaul_Alm_27_shlf_2_6053_1673_K_Devanagari%20-%20Tantra.pdf This manuscript is full of mantras with the tantric preamble of ??i?, chandas, devat?, bija?, ?akti? , k?laka? and viniyoga?. But what is unusual is that where these mantra preambles occur there are annotations in red ink. ??i? has annotation ?i, chandas has annotation mu, devat? has annotation sa, bija? has annotation gu, ?akti? has annotation m? , k?laka? has annotation n?, viniyoga? has annotation sa. For over 25 years I had been trying to find out any information about why so many mantras had this preamble of ??i?, chandas, devat?, bija?, ?akti? , k?laka? and viniyoga? and had asked that question in various forms on this list and other places. But because this manuscript had these annotations I finally got an answer to what this preamble to mantras was. When I asked what these annotations were on the BVP list, a Hindu ritualist answered and in part he said: I believe these marks are showing the locations for the ??y?di-ny?sa. The six placements are for the ??i, the cchanda, the devat?, the b?ja, the ?akti and a namask?ra (shown on the viniyoga). Thus, the "?i" on "??i" means "?irasi" (on the head), indicating the placement of the fingers/hand when performing the viniyoga rite. Similarly, the "cchanda" is to be placed on "mu" (="mukhe", on the mouth). The "devat?" is to be placed on the "h?" (="h?di", on the heart). This character is tricky, because it looks very much like a sa/s?. But if you look at p. 93 of the PDF (you have cited this in your email), there is a "h?day?ya nama?" two lines below the annotation which can establish that it is possibly a "h?" and not a "sa". The "b?ja" is to be placed on "gu" (="guhye", in the genitals) and the "?akti" is to be placed on the "p?" (="p?dayo?", on the two feet). Finally, at the pronouncing of "viniyoga", the ritualist touches all of his body parts and thus, the notation is "sa" with a special dot, which is "sarv??ge". So because a manuscript had annotations, after 25 years I was finally able to get an answer to why so many mantras in texts had this preamble of ??i?, chandas, devat?, bija?, ?akti? , k?laka? and viniyoga?. Its the description of a ny?sa to be performed before the mantra is recited. Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Fri Aug 9 13:43:28 2024 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2024 15:43:28 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Descriptive sanskrit manuscript catalogues best practices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How fascinating, Harry! That's all new to me and really interesting. Thanks! Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com Fri Aug 9 14:32:30 2024 From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2024 10:32:30 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Descriptive sanskrit manuscript catalogues best practices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Dominik and list members, Since this appears to be of some interest, with my informants( S. Bhattacharya) permission, the following is the rest of his reply about these annotations. Let me consider the section to illustrate the use of the nyasa and how it relates to the mantra. From the manuscript of Sahib Kaul, I quote: "??y?di smara?a? vidadh?ta yatha tatr?dau ?r?mah?ga?apate? asya ?r?mah?ga?apati-mantrasya ?r?brahm?-??i? (?irasi) gayatri-chanda? (mukhe) ?r?mah?ga?apatirdevat? (h?di) ga? b?ja? (guhye) hr?? ?akti (p?dayo?) nama? k?laka? (n?bhau) mama caturvarga-phala-pr?ptyarthe ga?apati-pras?da-sidhyarthe jape viniyoga? iti ??y?di-ny?sa? [...] atha mantra? hr?? ga? hr?? ga?apataye nama?" (emphasis added). Here, it is not simply a matter of uttering the mantra. This is the pitfall of seeing ritual as simply a performance, since a performance exists only in its activity and is ontologically distinct from the performer or actor. This is not to say that mantras cannot be performances; a lay bhakta's jap of 'om ga?apataye nama?' is still an acceptable use of a mantra and correctly a performative activity. But in other rituals (like Kaul's), the ritualist embodies, enacts and re-produces (re-creates) the mantra. Through the placement of the ??i on his head, he conjoins his mind (manas) into union with the genius of the ??i (the d?a???), through the placement of the chanda on his mouth, he conjoins his speech (v?c) with the sanctity of the metre, and by the placement of the devat? in his heart (the ?sana), he establishes the devat? within him (s?yujya). In effect, his enunciation of the mantra is not a repetition of a mere phrase composed previously. Thinking (and seeing) *as *the ??i, speaking *as *the ??i spoke in the chanda and with the devata *present within *him, he speaks forth and manifests the mantra. He (re-)creates the mantra in its most original form (and not simply as a phrase handed down through a lineage). Consider how the term 'kalpa' is both 'creation', 'ideation', as well as 'ritual' bound by an ontological connection. Thus, the ritualist is no more ontologically separate from either the ??i, chanda, devat? or even the mantra. The ritualist's enunciation of 'hr?? ga? hr?? ga?apataye nama?' is only the externally observable effect of a self-transformation that has already taken place or begun within him, and not its cause. Through this, the ritualist re-cognizes himself (cf. "so'ham") and completes the self-transformation. The entire prayoga (in the nitya-paddhati) may be seen as a series of such successive self-transformations. If we take a more laukika example (albeit of limited comparison) to understand the two usages of the mantra, consider eating a mango. One person consumes the mango, desiring to taste its flavor and to satiate his hunger (and having done so, moves on and forgets it). Another person also consumes the mango, savoring its taste and satiating his hunger, but doing so while reflecting the eternal play of mango farming and harvesting, of the fertile grounds and the nourishing monsoons, the unending play between food and its consumer (himself). In other words, in seeing beyond the obvious (through his insight/d???i), he allows himself a glimpse of the immortal within the mortal. The Guptavat???k? cites the ?aktisa?gama-tantra ("??i-cchando-devat?di pa?het stotre sam?hita? | yatra stotre na d??yet pra?ava-ny?sam-?caret") that the ??i-chanda-devat? must be yoked whenever there is to be recitation and where these are not known or given, one must conjoin the pra?ava in its place. For its own prayoga (in the Sapta?atyupodgh?ta , the Guptavat???k? mandates ("??i-cchando-daivat?ni ?iro-mukha-h?di nyaset | ?aktib?j?ni stanayostattv?ni h?daye puna? hr?? ca??ik?yai vyastena sarve?a ca ?a?a?gakau") for example that the ??i-chanda-devat? must be conjoined at head-mouth-heart and (specific to their tradition) the ?akti to the breasts and the tattva to the heart. This varies by ritualist tradition and generalizations are unlikely to yield reliable conclusions. I would say that the reason they may not be easily found in textual format is less due to secrecy and more because (a) most of it is so well-known in nitya praxis that codification is superfluous and (b) too much variation (and scope for innovation) resists the production of standardized codes. As for your question regarding the k?laka, you are correct that it refers to a bolt or pin. It refers to the inaccessibility or unusability of a mantra in prayoga / ritual application. So, in a way, both the answers you have received hitherto (namely, that is a bolt to be taken out to release the mantra, and that it is a bolt to restrain the mantra lest it injures the speaker) are actually correct. Some mantras are said to be dangerous so they have 'utk?lana' rites. Not all mantras (or even t?ntrika mantras for that matter) have an associated k?laka; most simply have the triad of ??i-chanda-devat?. The ?akti-b?j?-k?laka goes one step further. Again, while the exact way these are understood and employed vary by tradition, so my account here must not be taken for a generalization. Some mantras have greater applicability (they can induce certain effects in the world by the ritualist's will) but these are not easily accessed or employed by those who know their words or syllables alone. One would need the appropriate adhik?ra (eligibility / aptitude) - whether by initiation, family, bestowed grace, etc. - to know the skilful ways of employing the mantra to yield its power. Thus the cary? (the lifestyle/practices that must accompany the ritual - nitya observances, etc.) is often what 'seals' the mantra from general access (even if they are read in a text or overheard somewhere); its meaning is constituted and preserved more in lived experience than semantics. The K?lakastava that is part of the Ca??? tradition speaks of "ittha? r?pe?a k?lena mah?devena k?litam" (8b) and "ni?k?la?ca tath? k?tv? pa?hitavya? sam?hitai?" (16b). Put another way with the previous metaphor of the mango, a third way is to access the mango tree itself and to grow as many mangoes as one needs. Or perhaps think of the milk and the cow. The milk is easily attainable though soon spoilt. The cow is difficult to keep and maintain, but provides a supply of milk. Similarly, the skilfully understood and employed mantra becomes a vessel for desires fulfilled (k?madugha). The Guptavat???k?, citing the ??mara-kalpa, writes: "mantr??a? pallavo v?so mantr??a? pra?ava? ?ira? | ?ira? pallava-sa?yukto mantra? k?madugho bhavet namonta? ??ntike pu??au pra??p?te ca k?rtita? | vats?kar?a?a-home?u sv?h?nta? siddhid?yaka? | yantrabha?janak?rye?u sughorabhayan??ane | va?a?anta? prakalpyastu grahab?dhavin??aka? | ucc?tane tu sa?pr?pte mantra? pha?pallav?nvita? | ete pallava-v?sasas-tat-tat-karma?i ca??ip??hepi ?lok?nt?dau yojy??" - the pallavas (nama?, sv?h?, va?a?, hu?, pha?) are like the clothes of a mantra, while the pra?ava is its head, mantras become wish-fulfilling when they are conjoined with head and pallavas, and different usages are given for achieving different outcomes. Having specified this, it cites the ??mara: "ny?sah?no bhavenm?ko m?ta? sy?cchiras? vin? | apallavastu nagna? sy?tsupta? sy?d-?sana? vin? | guru? vin? v?th? mantra? ?ravyaj?pasty ??nyaka? | nirvamyo du??adatta? sy?d-anyab?jastu *k?lita?*" - of which the last part is interesting because it shows a meaning of k?laka. Finally, the ny?sa of the k?laka in the navel (n?bhau) also carries its natal symbolism with respect to the ?akti-b?j?-k?laka triad. The navel is paradoxically both an opening and an enclosure: an inaccessible access. By conjoining the k?laka with the navel, the ritualist establishes a natal (creative/productive) link with the mantra that is thereafter sealed and therefore unalterable (as is the bond of birth). Loosely compared, the ritualist generates the mantra within himself and his navel becomes the inaccessible seal that may be taken to mean the unalterable (natal) bond now-established - i.e., the k?laka/navel securely holds the mantra within his body. Just like a womb (cf. ?akti) envelops the seed (cf. b?j?) and binds it to the natal cord, if you see the final mantra, you will see the ga? b?j? enveloped on both sides by the hr?? ?akti - thus creating hr?? ga? hr?? - and suffixed with the nama? k?lakam. These are elements added to a mantra - often distinct words or syllables, often not so - that evoke its latent transmutative potential. Just as the womb, seed and natal cord 'produce' a baby (which is ontologically neither womb nor seed, but a distinct entity), the ritualist manifests the mantra by *transmuting *its ?akti-b?j?-k?laka within himself to bring forth its phala[=in the form of his k?man?]. Thus, 'om ga?apataye nama?' is a mantra too, as is 'om ga? ga?apataye nama?', but the mantra shown here - hr?? ga? hr?? ga?apataye nama? - encapsulates a specific idea within a specific ritual tradition / prayoga parampar? (giving it specific meaning in the process). I re-iterate that this is only one way of interpreting and understanding the ritual praxis. Generalizations are difficult when it comes to ritual, and what is a good way of explanation for some traditions may not be so transparent for others. Nonetheless, this kind of work is in the purview of the Prayoga??stra Research Group at our centre under my supervision, so we would be happy to be looped in on such questions and investigations. I hope this helps. Please forward to the Indology list if it is of relevance. S. Bhattacharya On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 9:43?AM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > How fascinating, Harry! That's all new to me and really interesting. > Thanks! > Dominik > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Asiatique (Paris)* *Member of the International Association of Sanskrit Studies* Le lun. 12 ao?t 2024 ? 03:44, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > Dear colleagues > > What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual > production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out > about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a > practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on > the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find > much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. > > Thanks in advance, > > McComas > > > > *McComas Taylor, *Professor of Sanskrit > College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University > Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Outlook-do1rdomd.png Type: image/png Size: 37339 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Books are listed among Sapta Santaana seven offsprings, alongside actual human offspring, tank constructed by oneself , temple built by oneself , living facilities for the Brahmins provided by oneself, garden raised by oneself, , treasure of wealth developed by oneself . On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 4:09?PM Jean Michel DELIRE via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I am also interested in the subject. If you could inform me, I would be > grateful. > > Best, > > *Jean Michel DELIRE, PhD* > *Lecturer on History of mathematics - IHEB (University of Brussels, ULB)* > *Lecturer on **Science and civilisation of India - Sanskrit Texts - IHEB > (ULB)* > *Member of the Centre National d'Histoire des Sciences (KBR, Bruxelles)* > *Member of the Soci?t? Asiatique (Paris)* > *Member of the International Association of Sanskrit Studies* > > > Le lun. 12 ao?t 2024 ? 03:44, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > >> Dear colleagues >> >> What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual >> production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out >> about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a >> practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on >> the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find >> much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> McComas >> >> >> >> *McComas Taylor, *Professor of Sanskrit >> College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University >> Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Dean, IndicA BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. 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Commentary and Anthology in Buddhist India https://global.oup.com/academic/product/religious-reading-9780195125771?cc=us&lang=en& With best wishes, Deepak Deepak Sarma, Ph.D. deepaksarma.com Pronouns: they/them/their Inaugural Distinguished Scholar in the Public Humanities, Case Western Reserve University Professor of Religious Studies at Case Western Reserve University, College of Arts and Sciences Professor of Bioethics at Case Western Reserve University, School of Medicine (secondary appointment) President Elect of the Grateful Dead Studies Association Cultural Consultant at American Greetings and Moonbug Curatorial Consultant at Cleveland Museum of Art?s Department of Asian Art Contact: Dr. Deepak Sarma Department of Religious Studies Tomlinson Hall 2121 Martin Luther King, Jr., Drive Case Western Reserve University Cleveland, OH 44106-7112 216-368-4790 deepak.sarma at case.edu > On Aug 12, 2024, at 6:39?AM, Jean Michel DELIRE via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > I am also interested in the subject. 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The Publication of Bhagav?n Veda? in 1970 Patrick McCartney, PhD Phoenix Fellow 2023?26, HIroshima University, Japan ISRF Fellow 2022?23 - Universidade de Santiago de Compostela, Spain Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, Japan Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian National University Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney Phone + Whatsapp + Line: +61410644259 Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap Yogascapes in Japan Academia Linkedin *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 10:45?AM McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues > > What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual > production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out > about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a > practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on > the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find > much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. > > Thanks in advance, > > McComas > > > > *McComas Taylor, *Professor of Sanskrit > College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University > Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Outlook-do1rdomd.png Type: image/png Size: 37339 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance, McComas McComas Taylor, Professor of Sanskrit College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jp4536 at columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 13:25:43 2024 From: jp4536 at columbia.edu (Jonathan Peterson) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 09:25:43 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for help - materiality of texts and textual production In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <376F8E18-9B06-4CEA-8085-F5D74BD79642@columbia.edu> Hi Taylor, I?m not sure this is what you?re looking for, but a quick list might include: Aspects of Manuscript Culture in South India, ed. Jan Houben and Saraju Rath (Leiden: Brill, 2012). Indic Manuscript Cultures Through the Ages: Material, Textual, and Historical Investigations, ed. Vincenzo Vergiani, Daniele Cuneo, and Camillo Alessio Formigatti (Berlin: De Gruyter, 2017). D. B. Diskalkar?s old but useful Material Used for Indian Epigraphical Records (Poona: Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, 1979). Sanskrit studies lags far behind the study of print culture and book history, but Ulrike Stark?s An Empire of Books: The Naval Kishore Press and the Diffusion of the Printed World in Colonial India (New Delhi: Permanent Black, 2007) is a must-read for anyone interested in the subject in a South Asian context. One can easily imagine a similar study for the Nirnaya Sagara, Chaukhamba, Anandashrama presses or other major Sanskrit publishers. Finbarr Flood?s Objects of Translation is one of the high water marks for the theory of materiality and book culture in second millennium SA, albeit in a Persianate context. Alexander O?Neill at SOAS wrote a dissertation on pustakapuja in the Newar context and would surely have much to contribute on the materiality of the book in ritual contexts. There?s lots of stuff of manuscript cultures and practices of writing, as you note. Best wishes, Jonathan Peterson Assistant Professor Department of Middle Eastern, South Asian, and African Studies Columbia University > On Aug 12, 2024, at 8:00?AM, indology-request at list.indology.info wrote: > > Request for help - materiality of texts and textual > production -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jan Houben and Saraju > Rath (Leiden: Brill, 2012). > > *Indic Manuscript Cultures Through the Ages: Material, Textual, and > Historical Investigations*, ed. Vincenzo Vergiani, Daniele Cuneo, and > Camillo Alessio Formigatti (Berlin: De Gruyter, 2017). > > D. B. Diskalkar?s old but useful *Material Used for Indian Epigraphical > Records* (Poona: Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, 1979). > > Sanskrit studies lags far behind the study of print culture and book > history, but Ulrike Stark?s *An Empire of Books: The Naval Kishore Press > and the Diffusion of the Printed World in Colonial India *(New Delhi: > Permanent Black, 2007) is a must-read for anyone interested in the subject > in a South Asian context. One can easily imagine a similar study for the > Nirnaya Sagara, Chaukhamba, Anandashrama presses or other major Sanskrit > publishers. Finbarr Flood?s *Objects of Translation* is one of the high > water marks for the theory of materiality and book culture in second > millennium SA, albeit in a Persianate context. Alexander O?Neill at SOAS > wrote a dissertation on pustakapuja in the Newar context and would surely > have much to contribute on the materiality of the book in ritual contexts. > There?s lots of stuff of manuscript cultures and practices of writing, as > you note. > > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan Peterson > Assistant Professor > Department of Middle Eastern, South Asian, and African Studies > Columbia University > > > > On Aug 12, 2024, at 8:00?AM, indology-request at list.indology.info wrote: > > Request for help - materiality of texts and textual > production > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am interested to find out about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. Thanks in advance, McComas McComas Taylor, Professor of Sanskrit College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at austin.utexas.edu Mon Aug 12 14:25:57 2024 From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Patrick Olivelle) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 14:25:57 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for help - materiality of texts and textual production In-Reply-To: <388e0abcc07d46a295a48aae36f0ffe3@hum.ku.dk> References: <388e0abcc07d46a295a48aae36f0ffe3@hum.ku.dk> Message-ID: <297A610B-FD71-4C67-B7C6-EE5235A9A701@austin.utexas.edu> The hard copy of the book, originally published by the British Library, is still available. The cheapest I found is here: [md31397438801.jpg] The Art of the Book in India by Jeremiah Losty: Very good Hardcover (1982) | Moe's Books abebooks.com On Aug 12, 2024, at 8:53?AM, Kenneth Gregory Zysk via INDOLOGY wrote: It appears that this copy is incomplete, ending with page 147. Is there a complete copy available? Best, Ken From: INDOLOGY > On Behalf Of Patrick Olivelle via INDOLOGY Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 2:34 PM To: McComas Taylor > Cc: indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Request for help - materiality of texts and textual production Hi McComas: The work that comes to mind is Losty?s The Art of the Book in India. https://archive.org/details/Losty1982 Best Patrick On Aug 11, 2024, at 8:44?PM, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear colleagues What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. 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Is > there a complete copy available? > > Best, > > Ken > > *From:*INDOLOGY *On Behalf Of > *Patrick Olivelle via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2024 2:34 PM > *To:* McComas Taylor > *Cc:* indology > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Request for help - materiality of texts and > textual production > > Hi McComas: > > The work that comes to mind is Losty?s The Art of the Book in India. > https://archive.org/details/Losty1982 > > Best > > Patrick > > > > On Aug 11, 2024, at 8:44?PM, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > Dear colleagues > > What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual > production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to > find out about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and > writing as a practical process are addressed in Sanskrit > literature.? There is plenty on the history of writing and > epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find much on 'the book' > etc - I would be very grateful for any references. > > Thanks in advance, > > McComas > > > > *McComas Taylor,*Professor of Sanskrit > College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University > Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From mattkapstein at proton.me Mon Aug 12 14:45:39 2024 From: mattkapstein at proton.me (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 14:45:39 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for help - materiality of texts and textual production In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear McComas, Ch. 1 of my recently edited volumes, Tibetan Manuscripts and Early Printed Books, dealing with the materiality of Tibetan books, includes a number of references to work on pertinent aspects of Indian book production, including palm leaf, birchbark, and ink fabrication. best, Matthew Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 03:44, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <[indology at list.indology.info](mailto:On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 03:44, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY < wrote: > Dear colleagues > > What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. > > Thanks in advance, > > McComas > > McComas Taylor, Professor of Sanskrit > College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University > Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Outlook-cxner3ua.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31432 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it Mon Aug 12 17:15:03 2024 From: raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it (Raffaele Torella) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 19:15:03 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for help - materiality of texts and textual production In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest the excellent book by Florinda De Simini ?Of Gods and Books?, De Gruyter 2017: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110478815/html?lang=en The book is open access. Buona estate! Raffaele > Il giorno 12 ago 2024, alle ore 16:45, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY ha scritto: > > Dear McComas, > > Ch. 1 of my recently edited volumes, Tibetan Manuscripts and Early Printed Books, dealing with the materiality of Tibetan books, includes a number of references to work on pertinent aspects of Indian book production, including palm leaf, birchbark, and ink fabrication. > > best, > Matthew > > Sent from Proton Mail for iOS > > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 03:44, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> Dear colleagues >> >> What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> McComas >> >> >> McComas Taylor, Professor of Sanskrit >> College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University >> Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://www.google.com/url?q=https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology&source=gmail-imap&ust=1724078771000000&usg=AOvVaw03UkQXqzsEAXJQp7V1r1uL Prof. Raffaele Torella Emeritus Professor of Sanskrit Sapienza University of Rome www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella -- *Fai crescere le giovani ricercatrici e i giovani ricercatori*** *con il 5 per mille alla Sapienza* Scrivi il codice fiscale dell'Universit?? *80209930587 **Cinque per mille * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are other examples up to the present day where the Gau??ya tradition, and probably others, describe written communications from events long before any evidence of such writing in South Asia. So, it seems that anachronistic claims of writing illustrate an ahistorical, contemporizing approach to ancient stories. Another example seems to be the well known story that Ga?e?a wrote the Mah?bh?rata as Vy?sa dictated, a story not found in most MBh recensions. Of course, actual writing is a big game-changer, both in stabilizing oral traditions, and also creating a sense of historical dimensions and layers. Sorry for the departure from your main interest here. Best wishes, Howard > On Aug 11, 2024, at 6:44?PM, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear colleagues > > What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. > > Thanks in advance, > > McComas > > ? ? > McComas Taylor, Professor of Sanskrit > College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University > Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 11:21?AM Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Hi McComas, > > I will mention a point that is quite tangential to your core interest, but > perhaps of some interest. In the Gau?iya Vai??ava tradition, we find a > number of anachronistic descriptions of writing, in relation to ancient > times when writing is not attested in South Asia. > > One example is the well know l?l? from the Bh?gavata-pur??a, > da?ama-skanda, in which Princess Rukmin? engages a br?hma?a to deliver a > message to K???a in Dv?raka, begging him to rescue her from an arranged > marriage to ?i?up?la. The celebrated Gau??ya sage R?pa Gosv?m? depicts > Rukmin? as sending a written message to K???a. The Bh?gavatam text itself > describes an oral message. There are other examples up to the present day > where the Gau??ya tradition, and probably others, describe written > communications from events long before any evidence of such writing in > South Asia. > > So, it seems that anachronistic claims of writing illustrate an > ahistorical, contemporizing approach to ancient stories. Another example > seems to be the well known story that Ga?e?a wrote the Mah?bh?rata as Vy?sa > dictated, a story not found in most MBh recensions. Of course, actual > writing is a big game-changer, both in stabilizing oral traditions, and > also creating a sense of historical dimensions and layers. > > Sorry for the departure from your main interest here. > > Best wishes, > Howard > > On Aug 11, 2024, at 6:44?PM, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear colleagues > > What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual > production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out > about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a > practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. 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Shubha Pathak, PhD, PhD Associate Professor Department of Philosophy and Religion American University Battelle-Tompkins 113 4400 Massachusetts Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20016-8056 Phone: 202-885-2957 Fax: 202-885-1094 E-mail: pathak at american.edu Web pages: http://www.american.edu/cas/faculty/pathak.cfm https://orcid.org/0000-0003-4087-0601 ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2024 9:44 PM To: indology Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for help - materiality of texts and textual production External Email: Use caution with links and attachments. Dear colleagues What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. Thanks in advance, McComas [cid:0dc29d33-237c-4278-ae77-f836857c9359] [cid:53d51766-49f9-4e22-ba23-c543c2143653] McComas Taylor, Professor of Sanskrit College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Outlook-do1rdomd.png Type: image/png Size: 37339 bytes Desc: Outlook-do1rdomd.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Outlook-cxner3ua.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31432 bytes Desc: Outlook-cxner3ua.jpg URL: From fritzman at lclark.edu Mon Aug 12 20:54:54 2024 From: fritzman at lclark.edu (J.M. Fritzman) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 13:54:54 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for help - materiality of texts and textual production In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Namaste! Although not about Sanskrit literature, A. R. Venkatachalapthy. 2012. *The Province Of The Book: **Scholars,Scribes and Scribblers in Colonial Tamilnadu*. Permanent Black. https://www.permanentblack.com/product-page/the-province-of-the-book https://www.amazon.com/dp/8178243318 David Shulman. 2016. *Tamil: A Biography*. Belknap Press. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674059924 https://www.amazon.com/dp/0674059921/ may provide helpful points of comparison. Cheers! On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 6:44?PM McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues > > What has been written about the materiality of texts and textual > production in the realm of Sanskrit literature? I am interested to find out > about the ways in which 'books' as physical artefacts and writing as a > practical process are addressed in Sanskrit literature. There is plenty on > the history of writing and epigraphy, but I have not yet been able to find > much on 'the book' etc - I would be very grateful for any references. > > Thanks in advance, > > McComas > > > > *McComas Taylor, *Professor of Sanskrit > College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University > Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > ========================================= Dr. J. M. 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Message-ID: Dear list members, I just looked up *cint* in the Koln online Bohtlink-Roth Grosses Worterbuch. https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/PWGScan/2020/web/webtc2/index.php and I noticed that for the references given for the different formations of* cint * listed, for those references to the Mahabharata,the Harivamsa, the Ramayana, the Kathasaritsagara, but not references to other works, you can download a pdf of the image of the actual page of the work ch with the reference, just by clicking on the reference..Very impressive! I had not noticed that before. Does anyone know if this is an ongoing project to make all the references in the B-R Grosse Worterbuch live (i.e. point to the actual page of the work referenced). and if this project also extends to other of the Koln on-line dictionaries. What makes this especially useful, is that the images are good enough to put in "Sanskrit CR" https://ocr.sanskritdictionary.com/ and get almost flawless digitization. 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Harry Spier On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 4:16?AM M?rcis Gas?ns wrote: > Greetings from Russia! > > 14.08.2024, 05:24, "Harry Spier via INDOLOGY" >: > > I just looked up *cint* in the Koln online Bohtlink-Roth Grosses > Worterbuch. > > https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/PWGScan/2020/web/webtc2/index.php > > and I noticed that for the references given for the different formations of* > cint * listed, for those references to the Mahabharata,the Harivamsa, the > Ramayana, the Kathasaritsagara, but not references to other works, you can > download a pdf of the image of the actual page of the work ch with the > reference, just by clicking on the reference..Very impressive! I had not > noticed that before. > > It was not there before ) The first links appeared around two years ago. > It's one of the topics covered at > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEaA7hhGjCI > > > Does anyone know if this is an ongoing project to make all the references > in the B-R Grosse Worterbuch live (i.e. point to the actual page of the > work referenced). > > All would not be possible. But the most widely cited are first hunted for. > We lack volunteers to speed up interlinking. > > kath?sarits?gara was launched 3 weeks ago at > https://github.com/sanskrit-lexicon/PWG/issues/70 > > > and if this project also extends to other of the Koln on-line dictionaries. > > Yes, it does. I recommend you use the > https://sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/simple/ UI and try Grassman for > links to Rigveda and Atharvaveda, for example, or MW. > > > > What makes this especially useful, is that the images are good enough to > put in "Sanskrit CR" https://ocr.sanskritdictionary.com/ > and get almost flawless digitization. > > That could be done on our end in batch mode, actually. > > Dr. Marcis Gasuns > > -- > ?????? ??????? > ???: +79181925084 > Skype: gasyoun > E-mail: gasyoun at ya.ru > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From racleach at googlemail.com Thu Aug 15 09:43:23 2024 From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:43:23 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Frost_in_the_=E1=B9=9Agveda?= Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Would anyone have a pdf of Edwin Gerow's 1973 article "Frost in the ?gveda" (Journal of Indo-European Studies 1, 2) that they're willing to share. I'd be very grateful! 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Jonardon Ganeri?s The Lost Age of Reason has some discussion of early modern Jain philosophers as well. best, Matthew Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 07:14, James Hegarty via INDOLOGY <[indology at list.indology.info](mailto:On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 07:14, James Hegarty via INDOLOGY < wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I am looking for secondary sources that explore Jain philosophy from 1000-1500 CE. > > Can anyone advise me? > > I have a wealth of material for the first millennium, and there looks to be a fair amount (in Jain Studies terms) for early modern and modern periods, but I have scant references (at the moment Dixit's Jain Ontology has some material) for the very period I am interested in! > > WIth Thanks and Best Wishes, > > James Hegarty > Cardiff University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gu?aratna (15th), notably his *Tarkarahasyad?pik?* Lucas Den Boer ?C?rv?ka arguments against the existence of the soul? Padmanabh Jaini, chapter 5 of *Gender and salvation* . Vimalad?sa's *Saptabha**?**g**?**tara**?**gi**??*, 17th c. S.C. Jain?s English translation . Authors from the adhy?tma movements. Here, I advise to start with: J?r?me Petit?s ?Absolute and conventional points of view in Jainism: a historical perspective?, that gives a clear development of the ni?caya and vyavah?ra naya in Ban?rasid?s (1586-1643), Dy?natr?y (1676-1726), Pa??it ?o?aramal (1720-1767) and Pa??it Daulatr?m (1798-1866) up to R?jacandra. Now, most of the authors from the adhy?tma movements are treated in scholarship more focused on the development of the different Jain lineages, rather than on the philosophical aspects of their works. In general, you also have wonderful scholarship in Jain studies on the development of the different lineages, on literary studies and on polemical texts of these periods. Each tackle some philosophical themes but again, this is not the primary focus. I am happy to give references on these if there is an interest! Still, strictly philosophical treatises are yet to be investigated. Let me take the opportunity of this email to say that much is still to be done also on earlier Jain authors. And there, new exciting scholarship is developed today, especially on P?jyap?da, Akala?ka, Haribhadra, Am?tacandra and Hemacandra, so stay tuned! The very best, Marie-H?l?ne -- Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse Dharmanath Assistant Professor in Jain Studies Department of Theology and Religion University of Birmingham https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/staff/profiles/tr/gorisse-marie-helene Le ven. 16 ao?t 2024 ? 09:03, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > Hi James, > > The 13th c, Sy?dv?dama?jar? of MalliSeNa, of which there are translations > by Dhruva and by Thomas, immediately comes to mind. Jonardon Ganeri?s The > Lost Age of Reason has some discussion of early modern Jain philosophers as > well. > > best, > Matthew > > Sent from Proton Mail for iOS > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 07:14, James Hegarty via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info > > > wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > I am looking for secondary sources that explore Jain philosophy from > 1000-1500 CE. > > Can anyone advise me? > > I have a wealth of material for the first millennium, and there looks to > be a fair amount (in Jain Studies terms) for early modern and modern > periods, but I have scant references (at the moment Dixit's *Jain > Ontology* has some material) for the very period I am interested in! > > WIth Thanks and Best Wishes, > > James Hegarty > Cardiff University > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 09:09:36 2024 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:39:36 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jain Philosophy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are discussions on the condition of Jainism during the 12 th century CE based on the reflections and responses in the Veera Shaiva literature known by the name Shiva kavi saahityamu. Unfortunately for the English readers, most of the research work in this area is in Telugu or Kannada languages. On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 2:25?PM Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear James, > > > > Thanks for your question! Indeed, most of the scholarship in Jain > philosophy is focused on authors up to the 11th c. > > > > Next to Malli?e?a, the only notable exceptions are: > > > > . Ya?ovijaya (1624-1686), whose work has received some attention (though > not enough yet). See for example: > > John Cort ?In defense of icons in three languages. The iconophilic > writings of Yasovijaya? > > Jonardon Ganeri ?Worlds in conflict. The cosmopolitan vision of Yasovijaya > Gani? > > K. K. Jain ?K???, Ya?ovijaya and Jaina Institutes.? > > Jeffery Long ?Ya?ovijaya?s view on yoga? > > Yajneshwar Shastri ?Adhy?tmopani?adprakara?a of Ya?ovijaya: A Study? in *Traverses > on Less Trodden Path of Indian Philosophy and Religion* > > > > . Gu?aratna (15th), notably his *Tarkarahasyad?pik?* > > Lucas Den Boer ?C?rv?ka arguments against the existence of the soul? > > Padmanabh Jaini, chapter 5 of *Gender and salvation* > > > > . Vimalad?sa's *Saptabha**?**g**?**tara**?**gi**??*, 17th c. > > S.C. Jain?s English translation > > > > . Authors from the adhy?tma movements. Here, I advise to start with: > > J?r?me Petit?s ?Absolute and conventional points of view in Jainism: a > historical perspective?, that gives a clear development of the ni?caya > and vyavah?ra naya in Ban?rasid?s (1586-1643), Dy?natr?y (1676-1726), Pa??it > ?o?aramal (1720-1767) and Pa??it Daulatr?m (1798-1866) up to R?jacandra. > > Now, most of the authors from the adhy?tma movements are treated in > scholarship more focused on the development of the different Jain lineages, > rather than on the philosophical aspects of their works. > > > > In general, you also have wonderful scholarship in Jain studies on the > development of the different lineages, on literary studies and on polemical > texts of these periods. Each tackle some philosophical themes but again, > this is not the primary focus. I am happy to give references on these if > there is an interest! > > > > Still, strictly philosophical treatises are yet to be investigated. > > > > Let me take the opportunity of this email to say that much is still to be > done also on earlier Jain authors. And there, new exciting scholarship is > developed today, especially on P?jyap?da, Akala?ka, Haribhadra, Am?tacandra > and Hemacandra, so stay tuned! > > > > The very best, > > > > Marie-H?l?ne > > > -- > Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse > > Dharmanath Assistant Professor in Jain Studies > Department of Theology and Religion > University of Birmingham > https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/staff/profiles/tr/gorisse-marie-helene > > > > Le ven. 16 ao?t 2024 ? 09:03, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > >> Hi James, >> >> The 13th c, Sy?dv?dama?jar? of MalliSeNa, of which there are translations >> by Dhruva and by Thomas, immediately comes to mind. Jonardon Ganeri?s The >> Lost Age of Reason has some discussion of early modern Jain philosophers as >> well. >> >> best, >> Matthew >> >> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 07:14, James Hegarty via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info >> > >> wrote: >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I am looking for secondary sources that explore Jain philosophy from >> 1000-1500 CE. >> >> Can anyone advise me? >> >> I have a wealth of material for the first millennium, and there looks to >> be a fair amount (in Jain Studies terms) for early modern and modern >> periods, but I have scant references (at the moment Dixit's *Jain >> Ontology* has some material) for the very period I am interested in! >> >> WIth Thanks and Best Wishes, >> >> James Hegarty >> Cardiff University >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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For what it?s worth, some brief and tentative remarks on his treatment of Yog?c?ra Buddhism may be found here. https://academia.edu/resource/work/10346557 Matthew Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:54, Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse <[mhgorisse at gmail.com](mailto:On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 10:54, Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse < wrote: > Dear James, > > Thanks for your question! Indeed, most of the scholarship in Jain philosophy is focused on authors up to the 11th c. > > Next to Malli?e?a, the only notable exceptions are: > > . Ya?ovijaya ([1624-1686]), whose work has received some attention (though not enough yet). See for example: > > John Cort ?In defense of icons in three languages. The iconophilic writings of Yasovijaya? > > Jonardon Ganeri ?Worlds in conflict. The cosmopolitan vision of Yasovijaya Gani? > > K. K. Jain ?K???, Ya?ovijaya and Jaina Institutes.? > > Jeffery Long ?Ya?ovijaya?s view on yoga? > > Yajneshwar Shastri ?Adhy?tmopani?adprakara?a of Ya?ovijaya: A Study? in Traverses on Less Trodden Path of Indian Philosophy and Religion > > . Gu?aratna (15th), notably his Tarkarahasyad?pik? > > Lucas Den Boer ?C?rv?ka arguments against the existence of the soul? > > Padmanabh Jaini, chapter 5 of Gender and salvation > > . Vimalad?sa's Saptabha?g?tara?gi??, 17th c. > > S.C. Jain?s English translation > > . Authors from the adhy?tma movements. Here, I advise to start with: > > J?r?me Petit?s ?Absolute and conventional points of view in Jainism: a historical perspective?, that gives a clear development of the ni?caya and vyavah?ra naya in Ban?rasid?s (1586-1643), Dy?natr?y (1676-1726), Pa??it ?o?aramal (1720-1767) and Pa??it Daulatr?m (1798-1866) up to R?jacandra. > > Now, most of the authors from the adhy?tma movements are treated in scholarship more focused on the development of the different Jain lineages, rather than on the philosophical aspects of their works. > > In general, you also have wonderful scholarship in Jain studies on the development of the different lineages, on literary studies and on polemical texts of these periods. Each tackle some philosophical themes but again, this is not the primary focus. I am happy to give references on these if there is an interest! > > Still, strictly philosophical treatises are yet to be investigated. > > Let me take the opportunity of this email to say that much is still to be done also on earlier Jain authors. And there, new exciting scholarship is developed today, especially on P?jyap?da, Akala?ka, Haribhadra, Am?tacandra and Hemacandra, so stay tuned! > > The very best, > > Marie-H?l?ne > > -- > Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse > > Dharmanath Assistant Professor in Jain Studies > Department of Theology and Religion > University of Birmingham > https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/staff/profiles/tr/gorisse-marie-helene > > Le ven. 16 ao?t 2024 ? 09:03, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > >> Hi James, >> >> The 13th c, Sy?dv?dama?jar? of MalliSeNa, of which there are translations by Dhruva and by Thomas, immediately comes to mind. Jonardon Ganeri?s The Lost Age of Reason has some discussion of early modern Jain philosophers as well. >> >> best, >> Matthew >> >> Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 07:14, James Hegarty via INDOLOGY <[indology at list.indology.info](mailto:On+Fri,+Aug+16,+2024+at+07:14,+James+Hegarty+via+INDOLOGY+%3C%3Ca+href=)> wrote: >> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> I am looking for secondary sources that explore Jain philosophy from 1000-1500 CE. >>> >>> Can anyone advise me? >>> >>> I have a wealth of material for the first millennium, and there looks to be a fair amount (in Jain Studies terms) for early modern and modern periods, but I have scant references (at the moment Dixit's Jain Ontology has some material) for the very period I am interested in! >>> >>> WIth Thanks and Best Wishes, >>> >>> James Hegarty >>> Cardiff University >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(1489?1564) such as Bhakti-ras?m?ta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the a??a-s?ttvika-bh?vas etc. We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vic?ra, analysis of primary and secondary ?rasas? or mood/flavor of personal relationship, R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, R?pa, with real genius, applied to K???a this already ancient system of rasa analysis and classification. So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of ecstatic spiritual states, such as s?ttvika-bh?vas and sth?yi bh?vas, is R?pa again applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system that already existed for the analysis of non-Vai??ava, or even Vai??ava, literature? Or was the technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of R?pa? I ask because I suspect that once again R?pa may have been applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system already current. Many thanks for any help with this! Howard From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 21:41:46 2024 From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 17:41:46 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Three new manuscript bundles added to the Muktabodha digital library Message-ID: Dear list members, Three new etexts from the collaborative project between Muktabodha Indological Research Institute and and the French Institute or Pondicherry have been added to the Muktabodha digital library. 1) j?r?oddh?ra? (k?mik?nus?ri) 2) ek?mran?th???akam and ek?mran?tha?atakam. 3) ?r?vidy?p?j?krama? and dev?dhy?nam Their descriptions by Dr. Deviprasad of the IFP are: RE 30511 - This manuscript bundle, titled j?r?oddh?ra? (k?mik?nus?ri), is a detailed textual work focused on the principles and practices of renovation and restoration, following the guidelines of the K?mik?gama. This detailed documentation and preservation of the manuscript offer valuable insights into traditional practices as outlined in the K?mik?gama, making it an essential resource for scholars and practitioners interested in ancient Indian texts and rituals. RE 30753, This bundle consist of Ek?mran?th???akam & Ek?mran?tha?atakam. ?r? ek?mran?thar temple is in Kanchipuram, Tamilnadu. One of the temples associated with the five elements, the Pa?cabh?tasthalas, and specifically the element of earth, or P?thiv?. Both of the stotras are with the word by word translation in Tamil (in Grantha Script itself). Ek?mran?th???akam is completed and Ek?mran?tha?atakam is not completed. RE31062 ? ?r?vidy?p?j?krama? and dev?dhy?nam, This bundle contains the ?r?vidy?p?j? & Dev?dhy?nam. ?r?vidy?p?j? is worshipping the Mother for nature and energy. Generally Vidy? means Knowledge. ?r?vidy? is one of forms of Goddess Sarasvat?, by praying under the lotus feet of the mother who is the giver for energy to all over the universe, to attain the divine knowledge and enlightenment, which interns helps us to attain ?Mok?a?. Kramam, means various ways that is Ny?sas, Lalitakramam, ?vara?ap?j?s have been explained. This p?j? connects humanity to divinity to gain enlightenment which is the ultimate knowledge. The bundle contains 57 folios and there are 6 to 8 lines in each folio. The size of this bundle is 16 cm / 3cm. The condition of the folio is a little bit damaged but the letters are very clean. Thank you, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Howard > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59?AM, theodor at orange.net.il wrote: > > Dear Howard, > > You write: > > "R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. " > > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval rasa schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his theories based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. > > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy and Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ > > I hope it helps and all the very best, > Ithamar > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Prof. Ithamar Theodor > Indian Studies > Zefat Academic College > itamart at zefat.ac.il > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 > > > > > > > -----????? ??????----- > ???: INDOLOGY ??? Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > ????: ??? ? 18 ?????? 2024 05:29 > ??: Indology List? > ????: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > Dear Scholars, > > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gau??ya Vai??ava tradition, especially in works of R?pa Gosv?m? (1489?1564) such as Bhakti-ras?m?ta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the a??a-s?ttvika-bh?vas etc. > > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vic?ra, analysis of primary and secondary ?rasas? or mood/flavor of personal relationship, R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, R?pa, with real genius, applied to K???a this already ancient system of rasa analysis and classification. > > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of ecstatic spiritual states, such as s?ttvika-bh?vas and sth?yi bh?vas, is R?pa again applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system that already existed for the analysis of non-Vai??ava, or even Vai??ava, literature? Or was the technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of R?pa? I ask because I suspect that once again R?pa may have been applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system already current. > > Many thanks for any help with this! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > From McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au Mon Aug 19 00:44:16 2024 From: McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au (McComas Taylor) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 00:44:16 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?b?J1lvZ2EgYW5kIEFudGFyecSBZ2EgaW4gUMSBw7Fj?= =?utf-8?b?YXLEgXRyYSc=?= Message-ID: Dear colleagues, A scholar who is not on this list is looking for this article: Gupta, Sanjukta. 1992. Yoga and Antary?ga in P??car?tra. In Ritual and Speculation in Early Tantrism: Studies in Honor of Andre Padoux. Edited by Goudriaan Teun. 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Name: Outlook-mpjxs00z.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31432 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 06:02:53 2024 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 11:32:53 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy In-Reply-To: <1724018994-6919365.66231686.f47IM9r9W3237494@rs6162.luxsci.com> References: <1723948148-1996314.824996.f47I2T5H42162124@rs6162.luxsci.com> <001d01daf1a0$b49388c0$1dba9a40$@orange.net.il> <1724018994-6919365.66231686.f47IM9r9W3237494@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: Howard ji, Older references can be classified into two kinds: 1. Descriptions of Bhakti events in narrative literatures such as narrative portions of Puranas and narrative Sanskrit and other Indian language kavyas 2. Shaastric works The word Saatvika bhaavas or the words referring to ecstatic features that are dealt under Saatvika bhaavas in NS and related texts are used in the description of Bhakti events in narrative texts older than Madhusudana Saraswati and Rupa Goswami. Lyrical texts employed in Bhakti dance earlier than the time of Rupa , both in Sanskrit and regional languages, used such expressions. NS related later shaastric texts and their commentaries use Bhakti related examples too while dealing with Saatvika Bhaavas. On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 3:40?AM Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Thank you! Very helpful. > > I?m still interested to know if there are close analogies in earlier > writing with Rupa?s method of analyzing ecstatic states, for example > comparing various emotional states to the physical elements, such as earth, > water, fire, air etc. Or, are there analogies to his categories of > s?ttvika-bh?va and sth?lyi-bhava? Etc. > > I am distinguishing here between two related but discrete systems: that of > rasa, and that of ecstatic states. > > Any help here is welcome. > > Best wishes, > Howard > > > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59?AM, theodor at orange.net.il wrote: > > > > Dear Howard, > > > > You write: > > > > "R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata > Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who > significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before > R?pa. " > > > > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval > rasa schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja > representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his theories > based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. > > > > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy > and Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: > > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ > > > > I hope it helps and all the very best, > > > Ithamar > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Prof. Ithamar Theodor > > Indian Studies > > Zefat Academic College > > itamart at zefat.ac.il > > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews > > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----????? ??????----- > > ???: INDOLOGY ??? Howard Resnick > via INDOLOGY > > ????: ??? ? 18 ?????? 2024 05:29 > > ??: Indology List? > > ????: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > > > Dear Scholars, > > > > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gau??ya Vai??ava > tradition, especially in works of R?pa Gosv?m? (1489?1564) such as > Bhakti-ras?m?ta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical > descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the a??a-s?ttvika-bh?vas etc. > > > > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vic?ra, > analysis of primary and secondary ?rasas? or mood/flavor of personal > relationship, R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to > Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta > who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years > before R?pa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, R?pa, with real genius, > applied to K???a this already ancient system of rasa analysis and > classification. > > > > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of > ecstatic spiritual states, such as s?ttvika-bh?vas and sth?yi bh?vas, is > R?pa again applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system that already existed > for the analysis of non-Vai??ava, or even Vai??ava, literature? Or was the > technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of R?pa? I > ask because I suspect that once again R?pa may have been applying to > K???a-bhakti an analytic system already current. > > > > Many thanks for any help with this! > > > > Howard > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Dean, IndicA BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu Mon Aug 19 10:24:03 2024 From: Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu (Lyne Bansat-Boudon) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 10:24:03 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy In-Reply-To: <1724018994-6919365.66231686.f47IM9r9W3237494@rs6162.luxsci.com> References: <1723948148-1996314.824996.f47I2T5H42162124@rs6162.luxsci.com> <001d01daf1a0$b49388c0$1dba9a40$@orange.net.il> <1724018994-6919365.66231686.f47IM9r9W3237494@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: Dear Howard, I have not investigated Ru?pa?s theory. But, what I can say is that, from the point of view of the Na?t?yas?a?stra and Abhinavagupta thereon, stha?yibha?vas and sa?ttvikabha?vas are by no means "ecstatic states". They are elements of the mechanics of passions which serves as the foundation of the rasa theory. More, perhaps, in 1. my book "Po?tique du th??tre indien" (EFEO 1992). 2. (2004) Pourquoi le the?a?tre ? La re?ponse indienne. Les Quarante piliers. Paris : Mille et une nuits. 293 p. 3. (1992). ? Le sentiment contemple?. Remarques sur la poe?sie dans les spe?culations indiennes ?. In : Poe?tique 92, p. 419-425. 4. You can see also, for another category: ? Les sa?ttvika?l?anka?ra.Un the?a?tre de la se?duction ?. In : Journal asiatique 279 (1-2), p. 199-226 ?provided you have the courage to read French! As for the "ecstatic states" (what is the sanskrit word in Ru?pa?), I would rather suggest you have a look on an English paper of mine, in which I deal with "extreme experiences", or "hyperesthesia". There I also deal with the elements of the rasa theory, p. 84, n. 27). Here is the reference: * (2022). ? The Surprise of Spanda. An Aesthetic Approach to a Phenomenology of Transcendence (Ra?makan?t?ha ad Spandaka?rika? 2.6 [1.22/22]) ?. In : ?Verita? e bellezza?. Essays in Honour of Raffaele Torella. Sous la dir. de Francesco Sferra et Vincenzo Vergiani. Napoli : UniorPress, p. 73-101. If you have difficulty finding these articles, and if you are in any way interested, let me know, I will manage to send you their pdf. Best wishes, Lyne Lyne Bansat-Boudon Directeur d'?tudes pour les Religions de l'Inde Ecole pratique des hautes ?tudes, section des sciences religieuses Membre senior honoraire de l'Institut universitaire de France ________________________________ De : INDOLOGY de la part de Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY Envoy? : lundi 19 ao?t 2024 00:09 ? : Isvara Krishna Cc : Indology List Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy Thank you! Very helpful. I?m still interested to know if there are close analogies in earlier writing with Rupa?s method of analyzing ecstatic states, for example comparing various emotional states to the physical elements, such as earth, water, fire, air etc. Or, are there analogies to his categories of s?ttvika-bh?va and sth?lyi-bhava? Etc. I am distinguishing here between two related but discrete systems: that of rasa, and that of ecstatic states. Any help here is welcome. Best wishes, Howard > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59?AM, theodor at orange.net.il wrote: > > Dear Howard, > > You write: > > "R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. " > > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval rasa schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his theories based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. > > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy and Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ > > I hope it helps and all the very best, > Ithamar > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Prof. Ithamar Theodor > Indian Studies > Zefat Academic College > itamart at zefat.ac.il > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 > > > > > > > -----????? ??????----- > ???: INDOLOGY ??? Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > ????: ??? ? 18 ?????? 2024 05:29 > ??: Indology List? > ????: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > Dear Scholars, > > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gau??ya Vai??ava tradition, especially in works of R?pa Gosv?m? (1489?1564) such as Bhakti-ras?m?ta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the a??a-s?ttvika-bh?vas etc. > > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vic?ra, analysis of primary and secondary ?rasas? or mood/flavor of personal relationship, R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, R?pa, with real genius, applied to K???a this already ancient system of rasa analysis and classification. > > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of ecstatic spiritual states, such as s?ttvika-bh?vas and sth?yi bh?vas, is R?pa again applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system that already existed for the analysis of non-Vai??ava, or even Vai??ava, literature? Or was the technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of R?pa? I ask because I suspect that once again R?pa may have been applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system already current. > > Many thanks for any help with this! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu Mon Aug 19 10:24:11 2024 From: Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu (Lyne Bansat-Boudon) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 10:24:11 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy Message-ID: Dear Howard, I have not investigated Ru?pa?s theory. But, what I can say is that, from the point of view of the Na?t?yas?a?stra and Abhinavagupta thereon, stha?yibha?vas and sa?ttvikabha?vas are by no means "ecstatic states". They are elements of the mechanics of passions which serves as the foundation of the rasa theory. More, perhaps, in 1. my book "Po?tique du th??tre indien" (EFEO 1992). 2. (2004) Pourquoi le the?a?tre ? La re?ponse indienne. Les Quarante piliers. Paris : Mille et une nuits. 293 p. 3. (1992). ? Le sentiment contemple?. Remarques sur la poe?sie dans les spe?culations indiennes ?. In : Poe?tique 92, p. 419-425. 4. You can see also, for another category: ? Les sa?ttvika?l?anka?ra.Un the?a?tre de la se?duction ?. In : Journal asiatique 279 (1-2), p. 199-226 ?provided you have the courage to read French! As for the "ecstatic states" (what is the sanskrit word in Ru?pa?), I would rather suggest you have a look on an English paper of mine, in which I deal with "extreme experiences", or "hyperesthesia". There I also deal with the elements of the rasa theory, p. 84, n. 27). Here is the reference: * (2022). ? The Surprise of Spanda. An Aesthetic Approach to a Phenomenology of Transcendence (Ra?makan?t?ha ad Spandaka?rika? 2.6 [1.22/22]) ?. In : ?Verita? e bellezza?. Essays in Honour of Raffaele Torella. Sous la dir. de Francesco Sferra et Vincenzo Vergiani. Napoli : UniorPress, p. 73-101. If you have difficulty finding these articles, and if you are in any way interested, let me know, I will manage to send you their pdf. Best wishes, Lyne Lyne Bansat-Boudon Directeur d'?tudes pour les Religions de l'Inde Ecole pratique des hautes ?tudes, section des sciences religieuses Membre senior honoraire de l'Institut universitaire de France ________________________________ De : INDOLOGY de la part de Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY Envoy? : lundi 19 ao?t 2024 00:09 ? : Isvara Krishna Cc : Indology List Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy Thank you! Very helpful. I?m still interested to know if there are close analogies in earlier writing with Rupa?s method of analyzing ecstatic states, for example comparing various emotional states to the physical elements, such as earth, water, fire, air etc. Or, are there analogies to his categories of s?ttvika-bh?va and sth?lyi-bhava? Etc. I am distinguishing here between two related but discrete systems: that of rasa, and that of ecstatic states. Any help here is welcome. Best wishes, Howard > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59?AM, theodor at orange.net.il wrote: > > Dear Howard, > > You write: > > "R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. " > > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval rasa schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his theories based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. > > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy and Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ > > I hope it helps and all the very best, > Ithamar > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Prof. Ithamar Theodor > Indian Studies > Zefat Academic College > itamart at zefat.ac.il > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 > > > > > > > -----????? ??????----- > ???: INDOLOGY ??? Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > ????: ??? ? 18 ?????? 2024 05:29 > ??: Indology List? > ????: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > Dear Scholars, > > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gau??ya Vai??ava tradition, especially in works of R?pa Gosv?m? (1489?1564) such as Bhakti-ras?m?ta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the a??a-s?ttvika-bh?vas etc. > > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vic?ra, analysis of primary and secondary ?rasas? or mood/flavor of personal relationship, R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, R?pa, with real genius, applied to K???a this already ancient system of rasa analysis and classification. > > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of ecstatic spiritual states, such as s?ttvika-bh?vas and sth?yi bh?vas, is R?pa again applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system that already existed for the analysis of non-Vai??ava, or even Vai??ava, literature? Or was the technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of R?pa? I ask because I suspect that once again R?pa may have been applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system already current. > > Many thanks for any help with this! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 11:56:56 2024 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. 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Dehejia > College of the Humanities, Carleton University > Ottawa, On., Canada. > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From hr at ivs.edu Mon Aug 19 23:18:28 2024 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 16:18:28 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy In-Reply-To: References: <1723948148-1996314.824996.f47I2T5H42162124@rs6162.luxsci.com> <001d01daf1a0$b49388c0$1dba9a40$@orange.net.il> <1724018994-6919365.66231686.f47IM9r9W3237494@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <1724109539-2805036.44852642.f47JNIufA628670@rs6162.luxsci.com> Dear Nagaraj, Thank you for kindly sharing this information. Best wishes, Howard > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:02?PM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > > Howard ji, > > Older references can be classified into two kinds: > > 1. Descriptions of Bhakti events in narrative literatures such as narrative portions of Puranas and narrative Sanskrit and other Indian language kavyas > > 2. Shaastric works > > The word Saatvika bhaavas or the words referring to ecstatic features that are dealt under Saatvika bhaavas in NS and related texts are used in the description of Bhakti events in narrative texts older than Madhusudana Saraswati and Rupa Goswami. > > Lyrical texts employed in Bhakti dance earlier than the time of Rupa , both in Sanskrit and regional languages, used such expressions. > > NS related later shaastric texts and their commentaries use Bhakti related examples too while dealing with Saatvika Bhaavas. > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 3:40?AM Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> Thank you! Very helpful. >> >> I?m still interested to know if there are close analogies in earlier writing with Rupa?s method of analyzing ecstatic states, for example comparing various emotional states to the physical elements, such as earth, water, fire, air etc. Or, are there analogies to his categories of s?ttvika-bh?va and sth?lyi-bhava? Etc. >> >> I am distinguishing here between two related but discrete systems: that of rasa, and that of ecstatic states. >> >> Any help here is welcome. >> >> Best wishes, >> Howard >> >> > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59?AM, theodor at orange.net.il wrote: >> > >> > Dear Howard, >> > >> > You write: >> > >> > "R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. " >> > >> > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval rasa schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his theories based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. >> > >> > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy and Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: >> > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ >> > >> > I hope it helps and all the very best, >> > Ithamar >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------- >> > Prof. Ithamar Theodor >> > Indian Studies >> > Zefat Academic College >> > itamart at zefat.ac.il >> > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews >> > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----????? ??????----- >> > ???: INDOLOGY > ??? Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY >> > ????: ??? ? 18 ?????? 2024 05:29 >> > ??: Indology List? > >> > ????: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy >> > >> > Dear Scholars, >> > >> > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gau??ya Vai??ava tradition, especially in works of R?pa Gosv?m? (1489?1564) such as Bhakti-ras?m?ta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the a??a-s?ttvika-bh?vas etc. >> > >> > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vic?ra, analysis of primary and secondary ?rasas? or mood/flavor of personal relationship, R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, R?pa, with real genius, applied to K???a this already ancient system of rasa analysis and classification. >> > >> > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of ecstatic spiritual states, such as s?ttvika-bh?vas and sth?yi bh?vas, is R?pa again applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system that already existed for the analysis of non-Vai??ava, or even Vai??ava, literature? Or was the technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of R?pa? I ask because I suspect that once again R?pa may have been applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system already current. >> > >> > Many thanks for any help with this! >> > >> > Howard >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > INDOLOGY mailing list >> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > Dean, IndicA > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra > BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. > Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hr at ivs.edu Mon Aug 19 23:54:33 2024 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 16:54:33 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy In-Reply-To: References: <1723948148-1996314.824996.f47I2T5H42162124@rs6162.luxsci.com> <001d01daf1a0$b49388c0$1dba9a40$@orange.net.il> <1724018994-6919365.66231686.f47IM9r9W3237494@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <1724111699-1857404.79226882.f47JNsvXM667832@rs6162.luxsci.com> Dear Lyne, Many thanks for your very kind help. Your list of personal publications is most impressive and valuable. All the best, Howard > On Aug 19, 2024, at 3:24?AM, Lyne Bansat-Boudon wrote: > > Dear Howard, > > I have not investigated Ru?pa?s theory. But, what I can say is that, from the point of view of theNa?t?yas?a?stra and Abhinavagupta thereon, stha?yibha?vas and sa?ttvikabha?vas are by no means "ecstatic states". They are elements of the mechanics of passions which serves as the foundation of the rasa theory. > > More, perhaps, in > > my book "Po?tique du th??tre indien" (EFEO 1992). > > 2. (2004) Pourquoi le the?a?tre ? La re?ponse indienne. Les Quarante piliers. Paris : Mille et une nuits. 293 p. > > 3. (1992). ? Le sentiment contemple?. Remarques sur la poe?sie dans les spe?culations indiennes ?. In :Poe?tique 92, p. 419-425. > > 4. You can see also, for another category: ? Les sa?ttvika?l?anka?ra.Un the?a?tre de la se?duction ?. In : Journal asiatique 279 (1-2), p. 199-226 ?provided you have the courage to read French! > > As for the "ecstatic states" (what is the sanskrit word in Ru?pa?), I would rather suggest you have a look on an English paper of mine, in which I deal with "extreme experiences", or "hyperesthesia". There I also deal with the elements of the rasa theory, p. 84, n. 27). Here is the reference: > (2022). ? The Surprise of Spanda. An Aesthetic Approach to a Phenomenology of Transcendence (Ra?makan?t?ha ad Spandaka?rika? 2.6 [1.22/22]) ?. In : ?Verita? e bellezza?. Essays in Honour of Raffaele Torella. Sous la dir. de Francesco Sferra et Vincenzo Vergiani. Napoli : UniorPress, p. 73-101. > If you have difficulty finding these articles, and if you are in any way interested, let me know, I will manage to send you their pdf. > > > Best wishes, > > Lyne > > > > Lyne Bansat-Boudon > Directeur d'?tudes pour les Religions de l'Inde > Ecole pratique des hautes ?tudes, section des sciences religieuses > Membre senior honoraire de l'Institut universitaire de France > > De : INDOLOGY > de la part de Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > > Envoy? : lundi 19 ao?t 2024 00:09 > ? : Isvara Krishna > > Cc : Indology List > > Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > Thank you! Very helpful. > > I?m still interested to know if there are close analogies in earlier writing with Rupa?s method of analyzing ecstatic states, for example comparing various emotional states to the physical elements, such as earth, water, fire, air etc. Or, are there analogies to his categories of s?ttvika-bh?va and sth?lyi-bhava? Etc. > > I am distinguishing here between two related but discrete systems: that of rasa, and that of ecstatic states. > > Any help here is welcome. > > Best wishes, > Howard > > > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59?AM, theodor at orange.net.il wrote: > > > > Dear Howard, > > > > You write: > > > > "R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. " > > > > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval rasa schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his theories based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. > > > > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy and Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: > > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ > > > > I hope it helps and all the very best, > > Ithamar > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Prof. Ithamar Theodor > > Indian Studies > > Zefat Academic College > > itamart at zefat.ac.il > > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews > > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----????? ??????----- > > ???: INDOLOGY > ??? Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > > ????: ??? ? 18 ?????? 2024 05:29 > > ??: Indology List? > > > ????: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > > > Dear Scholars, > > > > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gau??ya Vai??ava tradition, especially in works of R?pa Gosv?m? (1489?1564) such as Bhakti-ras?m?ta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the a??a-s?ttvika-bh?vas etc. > > > > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vic?ra, analysis of primary and secondary ?rasas? or mood/flavor of personal relationship, R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, R?pa, with real genius, applied to K???a this already ancient system of rasa analysis and classification. > > > > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of ecstatic spiritual states, such as s?ttvika-bh?vas and sth?yi bh?vas, is R?pa again applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system that already existed for the analysis of non-Vai??ava, or even Vai??ava, literature? Or was the technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of R?pa? I ask because I suspect that once again R?pa may have been applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system already current. > > > > Many thanks for any help with this! > > > > Howard > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu Tue Aug 20 12:43:42 2024 From: Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu (Lyne Bansat-Boudon) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 12:43:42 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy In-Reply-To: <1724111699-1857404.79226882.f47JNsvXM667832@rs6162.luxsci.com> References: <1723948148-1996314.824996.f47I2T5H42162124@rs6162.luxsci.com> <001d01daf1a0$b49388c0$1dba9a40$@orange.net.il> <1724018994-6919365.66231686.f47IM9r9W3237494@rs6162.luxsci.com> <1724111699-1857404.79226882.f47JNsvXM667832@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: Dear Howard and other list members interested by the question, I knew nothing, until now, about Prof.'s Ithamar recently published book. I hope to have access to it soon. However, the question of the 5th Veda has already been long examined and I hope to have made my contribution to this, to the extent that the NS and the aesthetic theory which is constructed according to its rules (and AG's commentary) were at the center of my first research, and continue to nourish my thinking when I deal with Non-dual S?aivism of Kas?mi?r. Therefore, I would like to suggest, besides my Po?tique du th??tre indien (EFEO 1992) a few titles, mostly in English: (2001). ? Drama and Dharma in Indian Speculations ?. In : Indologica Taurinensia 17-18, p. 35-62. (2020). ? Theatre as Religious Practice ?. In : Hindu Practice. Sous la dir. de Gavin Flood. Oxford University Press, p. 311-341. (2022). ? ?Satisfied with the performance?. An embryonic aesthetics in the Indian theater?s myth of origin ?. In : Poetry, Drama, and Aesthetics. Papers of the 12th World Sanskrit Conference held in Helsinki, Finland, 13-18 July 2003. Sous la dir. d?Albion M. Butters. Studia Orientalia 123. Helsinki : Finish Oriental Society, p. 5-17. (2023). ? Quand le dharma s?illustre au the?a?tre ?. In : Visages du Dharma. Sous la dir. de Silvia D?Intino et Christe?le Barois. Purus?a?rtha 39. Paris : E?ditions de l?E?cole des hautes e?tudes en sciences sociales, p. 141-230. And in French (if I may!): (1994). ? Le mythe d?origine du the?a?tre indien ?. In : The?a?tre et cite?. Se?minaire du CRATA 1992-1994. Sous la dir. de Michel Menu. Toulouse : Centre de Recherches applique?es au The?a?tre Antique [CRATA], p. 107-119. (2012). ? ?sthetica in nuce dans le mythe d?origine du the?a?tre indien ?. In : Aux abords de la clairie?re. E?tudes indiennes et compare?es en l?honneur de Charles Mala- moud. Actes du colloque international, Colle?ge de France, 7-8 octobre 2010. Sous la dir. de Sylvia D?Intino et Caterina Guenzi. Bibliothe?que de l?E?cole des hautes e?tudes, Sciences religieuses 154. Histoire et prosopographie 7. Turnhout : Brepols, p. 209-234. You could also find my my up-to-date (or almost) bibliography on my page on Academia. All the best, Lyne Lyne Bansat-Boudon Directeur d'?tudes pour les Religions de l'Inde Ecole pratique des hautes ?tudes, section des sciences religieuses Membre senior honoraire de l'Institut universitaire de France ________________________________ De : Howard Resnick
Envoy? : mardi 20 ao?t 2024 01:54 ? : Lyne Bansat-Boudon Cc : Isvara Krishna ; Indology List Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy Dear Lyne, Many thanks for your very kind help. Your list of personal publications is most impressive and valuable. All the best, Howard On Aug 19, 2024, at 3:24?AM, Lyne Bansat-Boudon wrote: Dear Howard, I have not investigated Ru?pa?s theory. But, what I can say is that, from the point of view of theNa?t?yas?a?stra and Abhinavagupta thereon, stha?yibha?vas and sa?ttvikabha?vas are by no means "ecstatic states". They are elements of the mechanics of passions which serves as the foundation of the rasa theory. More, perhaps, in 1. my book "Po?tique du th??tre indien" (EFEO 1992). 2. (2004) Pourquoi le the?a?tre ? La re?ponse indienne. Les Quarante piliers. Paris : Mille et une nuits. 293 p. 3. (1992). ? Le sentiment contemple?. Remarques sur la poe?sie dans les spe?culations indiennes ?. In :Poe?tique 92, p. 419-425. 4. You can see also, for another category: ? Les sa?ttvika?l?anka?ra.Un the?a?tre de la se?duction ?. In : Journal asiatique 279 (1-2), p. 199-226 ?provided you have the courage to read French! As for the "ecstatic states" (what is the sanskrit word in Ru?pa?), I would rather suggest you have a look on an English paper of mine, in which I deal with "extreme experiences", or "hyperesthesia". There I also deal with the elements of the rasa theory, p. 84, n. 27). Here is the reference: * (2022). ? The Surprise of Spanda. An Aesthetic Approach to a Phenomenology of Transcendence (Ra?makan?t?ha ad Spandaka?rika? 2.6 [1.22/22]) ?. In : ?Verita? e bellezza?. Essays in Honour of Raffaele Torella. Sous la dir. de Francesco Sferra et Vincenzo Vergiani. Napoli : UniorPress, p. 73-101. If you have difficulty finding these articles, and if you are in any way interested, let me know, I will manage to send you their pdf. Best wishes, Lyne Lyne Bansat-Boudon Directeur d'?tudes pour les Religions de l'Inde Ecole pratique des hautes ?tudes, section des sciences religieuses Membre senior honoraire de l'Institut universitaire de France ________________________________ De : INDOLOGY > de la part de Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > Envoy? : lundi 19 ao?t 2024 00:09 ? : Isvara Krishna > Cc : Indology List > Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy Thank you! Very helpful. I?m still interested to know if there are close analogies in earlier writing with Rupa?s method of analyzing ecstatic states, for example comparing various emotional states to the physical elements, such as earth, water, fire, air etc. Or, are there analogies to his categories of s?ttvika-bh?va and sth?lyi-bhava? Etc. I am distinguishing here between two related but discrete systems: that of rasa, and that of ecstatic states. Any help here is welcome. Best wishes, Howard > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59?AM, theodor at orange.net.il wrote: > > Dear Howard, > > You write: > > "R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. " > > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval rasa schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his theories based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. > > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy and Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ > > I hope it helps and all the very best, > Ithamar > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Prof. Ithamar Theodor > Indian Studies > Zefat Academic College > itamart at zefat.ac.il > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 > > > > > > > -----????? ??????----- > ???: INDOLOGY > ??? Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > ????: ??? ? 18 ?????? 2024 05:29 > ??: Indology List? > > ????: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > Dear Scholars, > > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gau??ya Vai??ava tradition, especially in works of R?pa Gosv?m? (1489?1564) such as Bhakti-ras?m?ta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the a??a-s?ttvika-bh?vas etc. > > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vic?ra, analysis of primary and secondary ?rasas? or mood/flavor of personal relationship, R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, R?pa, with real genius, applied to K???a this already ancient system of rasa analysis and classification. > > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of ecstatic spiritual states, such as s?ttvika-bh?vas and sth?yi bh?vas, is R?pa again applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system that already existed for the analysis of non-Vai??ava, or even Vai??ava, literature? Or was the technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of R?pa? I ask because I suspect that once again R?pa may have been applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system already current. > > Many thanks for any help with this! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For "whole-file upload", if the filename has diacritics (e.g. > "t?st.txt" or "?????.txt"), it will fail. Eliminate these and it should > work. If you're starting with IAST, one quick way to do this is to use > Skrutable's "IASTreduced" scheme (e.g., > "s?a?ntaraks?ita_va?danya?yat?i?ka?" becomes "santaraksita_vadanyayatika"). > > Also, don't forget about https://www.aksharamukha.com/converter, which > not only does whole files, too, but also just works great and supports lots > of scripts/schemes. It seems to also struggle with #1 above, but #2 is not > a problem. > > Yours, > Tyler > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hr at ivs.edu Tue Aug 20 20:20:44 2024 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 13:20:44 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy In-Reply-To: References: <1723948148-1996314.824996.f47I2T5H42162124@rs6162.luxsci.com> <001d01daf1a0$b49388c0$1dba9a40$@orange.net.il> <1724018994-6919365.66231686.f47IM9r9W3237494@rs6162.luxsci.com> <1724111699-1857404.79226882.f47JNsvXM667832@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <1724185270-4459464.72308511.f47KKL95G1877858@rs6162.luxsci.com> Thanks again Lyne for your valuable help and scholarship. Best, Howard > On Aug 20, 2024, at 5:43?AM, Lyne Bansat-Boudon wrote: > > Dear Howard and other list members interested by the question, > > I knew nothing, until now, about Prof.'s Ithamar recently published book. I hope to have access to it soon. > > However, the question of the 5th Veda has already been long examined and I hope to have made my contribution to this, to the extent that the NS and the aesthetic theory which is constructed according to its rules (and AG's commentary) were at the center of my first research, and continue to nourish my thinking when I deal with Non-dual S?aivism of Kas?mi?r. > > Therefore, I would like to suggest, besides my Po?tique du th??tre indien (EFEO 1992) a few titles, mostly in English: > (2001). ? Drama and Dharma in Indian Speculations ?. In : Indologica Taurinensia 17-18, p. 35-62. > (2020). ? Theatre as Religious Practice ?. In : Hindu Practice. Sous la dir. de Gavin Flood. Oxford University Press, p. 311-341. > (2022). ? ?Satisfied with the performance?. An embryonic aesthetics in the Indian theater?s myth of origin ?. In : Poetry, Drama, and Aesthetics. Papers of the 12th World Sanskrit Conference held in Helsinki, Finland, 13-18 July 2003. Sous la dir. d?Albion M. Butters. Studia Orientalia 123. Helsinki : Finish Oriental Society, p. 5-17. > (2023). ? Quand le dharma s?illustre au the?a?tre ?. In : Visages du Dharma. Sous la dir. de Silvia D?Intino et Christe?le Barois. Purus?a?rtha 39. Paris : E?ditions de l?E?cole des hautes e?tudes en sciences sociales, p. 141-230. > And in French (if I may!): > (1994). ? Le mythe d?origine du the?a?tre indien ?. In : The?a?tre et cite?. Se?minaire du CRATA 1992-1994. Sous la dir. de Michel Menu. Toulouse : Centre de Recherches applique?es au The?a?tre Antique [CRATA], p. 107-119. > (2012). ? ?sthetica in nuce dans le mythe d?origine du the?a?tre indien ?. In : Aux abords de la clairie?re. E?tudes indiennes et compare?es en l?honneur de Charles Mala- moud. Actes du colloque international, Colle?ge de France, 7-8 octobre 2010. Sous la dir. de Sylvia D?Intino et Caterina Guenzi. Bibliothe?que de l?E?cole des hautes e?tudes, Sciences religieuses 154. Histoire et prosopographie 7. Turnhout : Brepols, p. 209-234. > You could also find my my up-to-date (or almost) bibliography on my page on Academia. > > All the best, > > Lyne > > Lyne Bansat-Boudon > Directeur d'?tudes pour les Religions de l'Inde > Ecole pratique des hautes ?tudes, section des sciences religieuses > Membre senior honoraire de l'Institut universitaire de France > > De : Howard Resnick
> > Envoy? : mardi 20 ao?t 2024 01:54 > ? : Lyne Bansat-Boudon > > Cc : Isvara Krishna >; Indology List > > Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > Dear Lyne, > > Many thanks for your very kind help. Your list of personal publications is most impressive and valuable. > > All the best, > Howard > > On Aug 19, 2024, at 3:24?AM, Lyne Bansat-Boudon > wrote: > > Dear Howard, > > I have not investigated Ru?pa?s theory. But, what I can say is that, from the point of view of theNa?t?yas?a?stra and Abhinavagupta thereon, stha?yibha?vas and sa?ttvikabha?vas are by no means "ecstatic states". They are elements of the mechanics of passions which serves as the foundation of the rasa theory. > > More, perhaps, in > > my book "Po?tique du th??tre indien" (EFEO 1992). > > 2. (2004) Pourquoi le the?a?tre ? La re?ponse indienne. Les Quarante piliers. Paris : Mille et une nuits. 293 p. > > 3. (1992). ? Le sentiment contemple?. Remarques sur la poe?sie dans les spe?culations indiennes ?. In :Poe?tique 92, p. 419-425. > > 4. You can see also, for another category: ? Les sa?ttvika?l?anka?ra.Un the?a?tre de la se?duction ?. In : Journal asiatique 279 (1-2), p. 199-226 ?provided you have the courage to read French! > > As for the "ecstatic states" (what is the sanskrit word in Ru?pa?), I would rather suggest you have a look on an English paper of mine, in which I deal with "extreme experiences", or "hyperesthesia". There I also deal with the elements of the rasa theory, p. 84, n. 27). Here is the reference: > (2022). ? The Surprise of Spanda. An Aesthetic Approach to a Phenomenology of Transcendence (Ra?makan?t?ha ad Spandaka?rika? 2.6 [1.22/22]) ?. In : ?Verita? e bellezza?. Essays in Honour of Raffaele Torella. Sous la dir. de Francesco Sferra et Vincenzo Vergiani. Napoli : UniorPress, p. 73-101. > If you have difficulty finding these articles, and if you are in any way interested, let me know, I will manage to send you their pdf. > > > Best wishes, > > Lyne > > > > Lyne Bansat-Boudon > Directeur d'?tudes pour les Religions de l'Inde > Ecole pratique des hautes ?tudes, section des sciences religieuses > Membre senior honoraire de l'Institut universitaire de France > > De : INDOLOGY > de la part de Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > > Envoy? : lundi 19 ao?t 2024 00:09 > ? : Isvara Krishna > > Cc : Indology List > > Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > Thank you! Very helpful. > > I?m still interested to know if there are close analogies in earlier writing with Rupa?s method of analyzing ecstatic states, for example comparing various emotional states to the physical elements, such as earth, water, fire, air etc. Or, are there analogies to his categories of s?ttvika-bh?va and sth?lyi-bhava? Etc. > > I am distinguishing here between two related but discrete systems: that of rasa, and that of ecstatic states. > > Any help here is welcome. > > Best wishes, > Howard > > > On Aug 18, 2024, at 11:59?AM, theodor at orange.net.il wrote: > > > > Dear Howard, > > > > You write: > > > > "R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. " > > > > According to my research, there were two parallel versions of medieval rasa schools; Abhinavagupta representing the Vivarta version and Bhoja representing the parinama version. Clearly, Rupa has developed his theories based upon Bhoja's parinama version of aesthetics. > > > > More on this in my book "The Fifth Veda in Hinduism; Poetry, Philosophy and Devotion in the Bhagavata Purana: > > https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/fifth-veda-of-hinduism-9781784531997/ > > > > I hope it helps and all the very best, > > Ithamar > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Prof. Ithamar Theodor > > Indian Studies > > Zefat Academic College > > itamart at zefat.ac.il > > Recent Publication: Special Issue on Gandhi, Israel and the Jews > > https://link.springer.com/journal/11407/volumes-and-issues/27-3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----????? ??????----- > > ???: INDOLOGY > ??? Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > > ????: ??? ? 18 ?????? 2024 05:29 > > ??: Indology List? > > > ????: [INDOLOGY] Anaysis of ecstasy > > > > Dear Scholars, > > > > I would appreciate help with the following. In the Gau??ya Vai??ava tradition, especially in works of R?pa Gosv?m? (1489?1564) such as Bhakti-ras?m?ta-sindhu, but elsewhere too, there are systematic, technical descriptions of ecstatic states, such as the a??a-s?ttvika-bh?vas etc. > > > > We know that in another, related analytic system, that of rasa-vic?ra, analysis of primary and secondary ?rasas? or mood/flavor of personal relationship, R?pa borrowed an analytic structure that is traced first to Bharata Muni, at least 1500 years before Rupa, and then to Abhinavagupta who significantly developed and refined rasa-vic?ra at least 500 years before R?pa. Yet, as Gary Tubb once said to me, R?pa, with real genius, applied to K???a this already ancient system of rasa analysis and classification. > > > > So, finally my question: in his elaborate analysis and classification of ecstatic spiritual states, such as s?ttvika-bh?vas and sth?yi bh?vas, is R?pa again applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system that already existed for the analysis of non-Vai??ava, or even Vai??ava, literature? Or was the technical analysis of ecstatic states an original contribution of R?pa? I ask because I suspect that once again R?pa may have been applying to K???a-bhakti an analytic system already current. > > > > Many thanks for any help with this! > > > > Howard > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Whatever panel you plump for, Nepal is a delight for the stomach, as well as the mind (and the eye). Dal baht, momo, gundruk (my personal favourite), not to mention all the joys of the very distinctive and delicious Newari khana, await you. I am looking forward to seeing old friends and making new ones, so please do remember that the deadline for abstracts is the end of this month. Don't miss out. https://www.nepalworldsanskrit.org/ Best Wishes, James Hegarty Cardiff University Co-convenor of the R?m?ya?a and Mah?bh?rata Panel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We also encourage you to extend this invitation to your colleagues, friends, and students interested in joining this conversation. ____ Dr Pankaj Jain, ???? ??? Professor & HoD, Humanities & Languages Chair, The India Centre FLAME University https://linktr.ee/ProfPankajJain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: The India Series Webinar.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62378 bytes Desc: not available URL: From scharfpm7 at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 15:01:29 2024 From: scharfpm7 at gmail.com (Peter Scharf) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 10:01:29 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Sanskrit Library's Winter-Spring 2024 Courses Message-ID: <45041D8B-B24C-48B7-9362-117CFF1CCA21@gmail.com> Dear Colleagues, The Sanskrit Library would like to announce the following 2024 autumn semester courses in Sanskrit and Sanskrit literature on-line beginning 6 September. Details here: https://sanskritlibrary.org/coursesnow.html We?re offering a general continuing education course CG50. Concepts of the self in classical Indian philosophy. This course consist of ten one-hour classes, is intended for casual learning, requires no preparation on the part of the students, and does not involve any homework. The following courses are university-equivalent courses which expect student homework consisting of several hours per week for fifteen weeks. UH102. History of Sanskrit literature II: Epics: ?????? and ??????? US 101. Introductory Sanskrit I. US110. ??????????????????: The ??????? in brief US201. Selected readings in the ???????????????. UT110. TEI-conformant XML markup workshop. Further information about these courses is available on The Sanskrit Library Website at this link: https://sanskritlibrary.org/coursesnow.html We anticipate offering continuation courses in beginning Sanskrit and intermediate Sanskrit in the winter-spring semester, and an intensive summer Sanskrit course next summer 2 June?25 August 2025. Please share the news and the link with anyone and everyone you think might be interested. To inquire about consulting on individual research projects, send an email to info at sanskritlibrary dot org For information about our publications, please visit https://sanskritlibrary.org/publications.html. Submit an article for publication in our journal ????????? here: https://sites.google.com/sanskritlibrary.org/courses/research-journal Please donate to The Sanskrit Library here: https://sanskritlibrary.org/donate.html Yours sincerely, Peter ****************************** Peter M. 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The following courses are university-equivalent courses which expect student homework consisting of several hours per week for fifteen weeks. UH102. History of Sanskrit literature II: Epics: ?????? and ??????? US 101. Introductory Sanskrit I. US110. ??????????????????: The ??????? in brief US201. Selected readings in the ???????????????. UT110. TEI-conformant XML markup workshop. Further information about these courses is available on The Sanskrit Library Website at this link: https://sanskritlibrary.org/coursesnow.html We anticipate offering continuation courses in beginning Sanskrit and intermediate Sanskrit in the winter-spring semester, and an intensive summer Sanskrit course next summer 2 June?25 August 2025. Please share the news and the link with anyone and everyone you think might be interested. 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Founded in 2013, the Journal of South Asian Languages and Linguistics (JSALL) provides a peer-reviewed forum for publishing original research articles and reviews in the field of South Asian languages and linguistics, with a focus on descriptive, functional and typological investigations. Descriptive studies are encouraged to the extent that they present analyses of lesser-known languages, especially if based on original fieldwork and/or contributing to the study of the typology of this area and of linguistic typology in general. Other areas covered by the journal include history of South Asian languages, language change, contact phenomena, sociolinguistics, and the historiography of research on South Asian languages and linguistics. The journal also publishes occasional special issues on focused themes relating to South Asian languages and linguistics. Journal of South Asian Languages and Linguistics publishes two issues per year. 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Place: Hybrid: either in-class at Tu?bingen (students of Tu?bingen University) or online via Zoom (external guest students). Time: 21 October 2024 ? 6 February 2025 | Mondays (4:15 ? 5:45 pm CET) & Thursdays (4:15 ? 5:45 pm CET) Fees: Free for students of Tu?bingen University (registration via ALMA). External guest students have to register centrally and pay a fee of 50?: https://uni-tuebingen.de/en/951. Application: indologie at uni-tuebingen.de The number of participants is limited. Tu?bingen students are given preferential admission. All other interested are requested to enclose a short letter of motivation (max. half page). Application deadline for external participants: 30.9.2024. Credit points / ECTS: For students of the University of T?bingen: 6 ECTS. For students from other universities: The approval must be negotiated with the respective university. ?? FLYER ATTACHED ?? 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Williams Columbia University Press October 2024 336 pages The 'Hindi' of the title refers, in fact, to the range of literary registers now known as *bh???*, Brajbhasha, Hindustani, and so forth, and the primary concern of the monograph is to outline a history and methodology for the study of the vernacular book in northern India circa 1300 CE till the advent of print technology. This necessarily includes references to the manuscript cultures from which vernacular book culture drew, namely those of Sanskrit, Apabhramsha, Persian, and Arabic. I am happy to report that a paperback edition is already available, and that an additional 20% of the cover price may be saved by using the code "CUP20SM" at checkout. Additional description and details may be found below. Best regards, Tyler W. Williams University of Chicago *If All the World Were Paper: A History of Writing in Hindi* How do writing and literacy reshape the ways a language and its literature are imagined? If All the World Were Paper explores this question in the context of Hindi, the most widely spoken language in Southern Asia and the fourth most widely spoken language in the world today. Emerging onto the literary scene of India in the mid-fourteenth century, the vernacular of Hindi quickly acquired a place alongside ?classical? languages like Sanskrit and Persian as a medium of literature and scholarship. The material and social processes through which it came to be written down and the particular form that it took?as illustrated storybooks, loose-leaf textbooks, personal notebooks, and holy scriptures?played a critical role in establishing Hindi as a language capable of transmitting poetry, erudition, and even revelation. If All the World Were Paper combines close readings of literary and scholastic works with an examination of hundreds of handwritten books from precolonial India to tell the story of Hindi literature?s development and reveal the relationships among ideologies of writing, material practices, and literary genres. Tyler W. Williams forcefully argues for a new approach to the literary archive, demonstrating how the ways books were inscribed, organized, and used can tell us as much about their meaning and significance as the texts within them. This book sets out a novel program for engaging with the archive of Hindi and of South Asian languages more broadly at a moment when much of that archive faces existential threats. ISBN: 9780231211130 FORMAT: Paperback LIST PRICE: $35.00 / ?30.00 ISBN: 9780231211123 FORMAT: Hardcover LIST PRICE: $140.00 / ?117.00 ISBN: 9780231558754 FORMAT: E-book LIST PRICE: $34.99 / ?30.00 [image: ifalltheworld-coupon.jpeg] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ifalltheworld-coupon.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 108202 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bevilacqua.dany at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 07:38:26 2024 From: bevilacqua.dany at gmail.com (Daniela Bevilacqua) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2024 08:38:26 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Publication of From Tapas to Modern Yoga Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, I am thrilled to announce the publication of my book, *From Tapas to Modern Yoga*. This work draws extensively on the fieldwork material I collected during my research for the ERC-funded Hatha Yoga Project. 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I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. Thanks in advance! Howard From McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au Wed Aug 28 03:46:49 2024 From: McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au (McComas Taylor) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 03:46:49 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] 5th Australian Spoken Sanskrit Summer School 1-15 Feb 2025 Message-ID: Dear Colleagues Along with Dr Sadananda Das, I am delighted to announce the 5th Australian Spoken Sanskrit Summer School, 1-15 February, 2025. https://events.humanitix.com/the-fifth-australian-spoken-sanskrit-summer-school-february-2025 Please distribute as widely as possible. Yours sincerely McComas Taylor [https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/compress/output=format:jpg/resize=width:500/eB6zossaTem2DAVoUeFZ] The Fifth Australian Spoken Sanskrit Summer School, February 2025 | Humanitix Enrol Now on Humanitix - The Fifth Australian Spoken Sanskrit Summer School, February 2025 hosted by ANU School of Culture, History & Language. Marie Reay Teaching Centre (Building 155), 155 University Ave, Canberra ACT 2601, Australia. Saturday 1st February 2025. 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He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. good luck Matthew Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY <[indology at list.indology.info](mailto:On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < wrote: > Dear Scholars, > > Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. > > I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. > > One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. > > I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. > > The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. > > I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. > > Thanks in advance! > > Howard > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It uses the words s'raanta and tapta sequentially hinting at a synonimity between them. asya ?r?ntasya taptasya tejoraso niravartat?gni? || BrhUp_1,2.2 || so 'k?mayata -- bh?yas? yaj?ena bh?yo yajeyeti | so '?r?myat | sa tapo 'tapyata | tasya ?r?ntasya taptasya ya?o v?ryam udakr?mat | pr??? vai ya?o v?ryam | tat pr??e??tkr?nte?u ?ar?ra? ?vayitum adhriyata | tasya ?ar?ra eva mana ?s?t || BrhUp_1,2.6 || tasm?t sarvadevatya? prok?ita? pr?j?patyam ?labhante | e?a v? a?vamedho ya e?a tapati | tasya sa?vatsara ?tm? | On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 1:50?PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Hi Howard, > > For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, > may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall > exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which > would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of > the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. > > good luck > Matthew > > Sent from Proton Mail for iOS > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info > > > wrote: > > Dear Scholars, > > Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially > itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity > -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of > a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. > > I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the > empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and > detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing > like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient > literature. > > One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the > previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. > > I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous > Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as > a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at > Kuruk?etra. > > The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific > mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya > as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a > process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. > > I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for > any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link > between severe self-abnegation and power. > > Thanks in advance! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Dean, IndicA BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. 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HORNER MEMORIAL LECTURE Aleix Ruiz-Falqu?s (Shan State Buddhist University/Hebrew University of Jerusalem) Organic Pali Grammar Mak?ralopa?s Encyclopedia of Pali Grammar A Burmese 18th-century Manual for Pali Students The study of Pali grammar is a cornerstone of Therav?da monastic education. Beginning with ancient treatises such as the Kacc?yana (ca. 6th century CE), works on Pali grammar have proliferated across the Therav?da world over the centuries. Some of these treatises are still used in Therav?da countries, but have not received substantial attention from western Pali scholars. This lecture will examine one such treatise, namely, a Burmese handbook for beginners known as the "Encyclopedia of Pali Grammar". It was written by an 18th-century polymath, Mak?ralopa (ca. 1722?1780), perhaps the most celebrated genius of his epoch. He wrote 37 books on both mundane and supramundane subjects. Mak?ralopa?s Encyclopedia of Pali Grammar consists of a bilingual Pali-Burmese re-arrangement and exposition of the Kacc?yana grammar. Importantly, it also incorporates chapters on hermeneutics and scholastic exegesis. It is therefore not merely a formal introduction to Pali as a language, but rather a method of textual analysis for those who wish to analyse the Tipi?aka and the commentarial literature. In Mak?ralopa?s book, grammar, philosophy, metaphysics and poetry are parts of one single ?organon?. The fact that this 18th-century manual is still considered a useful handbook in Burma is testimony to the vitality of the ancient grammatical tradition of P??ini, Pata?jali and other Indian masters in today?s Buddhist world of Southeast Asia. This critical examination of Mak?ralopa?s Encyclopedia will also be an opportunity to reflect on the implicit assumptions in Pali learning methodologies, past and present. 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[51tyHKNEGmL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_SCLZZZZZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg] Tapta Marga: Asceticism and Initiation in Vedic India amazon.com On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY wrote: Hi Howard, For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. good luck Matthew Sent from Proton Mail for iOS On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Scholars, Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. 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Pp. 204-14 (?tapas, yoga, sa?ny?sa? and ?tapas und Magie?) seem to be especially instructive for your question. If you need a scan, don?t hesitate to let it me know. Best wishes, Axel / Michaels From: INDOLOGY on behalf of "indology at list.indology.info" Reply to: Patrick Olivelle Date: Wednesday, 28. August 2024 at 16:12 To: Matthew Kapstein Cc: "indology at list.indology.info" Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya There is also the book by Walter O. Kaelber, Tapta M?rga. [cid:image001.png at 01DAF96C.E9CBC240] Tapta Marga: Asceticism and Initiation in Vedic India amazon.com On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY wrote: Hi Howard, For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. good luck Matthew Sent from Proton Mail for iOS On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Scholars, Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. Thanks in advance! 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She tells Ravan: It is only because I have not been so ordered by Rama and because I wish topreserve intact the power of my austerities (tapas) that I do not reduce youto ashes with my own blazing power (tejas), for that is what you deserve.(5.20.20 [Goldman and Sutherland Goldman 2021: 469]) In this threat, Sita combines social and cultural categories that are often kept separate. As a woman concerned with doing her wifely duties, she saves the demise of Ravan for her husband Ram, a warrior, king, and avatar of Vishnu who regularly relieves the earth of its burden of demonic evil. At the same time, however, she has accumulated through her performance of domestic duties the tapas and tejas that male renouncers typically earn through powerful yogic practices. Best,Michael Michael Baltutis Professor, South Asian Religions Chair, Department of Anthropology, Global Religions and Cultures University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh Book Review Editor,?International Journal of Hindu Studies What is Hinduism?: A Student's Introduction The Festival of Indra ?? On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 10:08:57 AM CDT, Michaels, Prof. Dr. Axel via INDOLOGY wrote: I guess you know the following study (in German): Monika Shee:tapas und tapasvin in der erz?hlenden Partien des Mah?bh?rata. Hamburg: Verlag Dr. Inge Wezler, 1986. It?s a detailed philological study. Pp. 204-14 (?tapas,yoga, sa?ny?sa? and ?tapas und Magie?) seem to be especially instructive for your question. If you need a scan, don?t hesitate to let it me know. Best wishes, Axel / Michaels ? ? From:INDOLOGY on behalf of "indology at list.indology.info" Reply to: Patrick Olivelle Date: Wednesday, 28. August 2024 at 16:12 To: Matthew Kapstein Cc: "indology at list.indology.info" Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya ? There is also the book by Walter O. Kaelber, Tapta M?rga.? | | | | Tapta Marga: Asceticism and Initiation in Vedic India amazon.com | | ? ? On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY wrote: ? Hi Howard, ? ? For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you.? ? good luck? Matthew? ? Sent from Proton Mail for iOS ? ? On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear Scholars, Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. Thanks in advance! 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This tools currently provides word segmentation, lemmatization and morphosyntactic tagging. We also have inference scripts for this system on this github repository for those of you who want to run the tools independently on their own machine (a GPU is advisable as it might otherwise be very slow): https://github.com/sebastian-nehrdich/sanskrit-analyzers Among these applications you will also find dependency parsing for Vedic Sanskrit, a function we do not yet support interactively on the website, A publication on the architecture, data etc. used for these tools is currently on the way. We also are open to providing API access for individuals and projects that would like to use these tools in their workflow. Feel free to contact us if you are interested! Dharmamitra.org also works on providing machine translation capabilities for Sanskrit into English and other languages. In case you are interested in this topic and would like to learn more, perhaps even collaborate or contribute in some way, feel free to reach out to us. We are more than happy to work together with people that want to explore the possibilities of this technology. With best wishes, Sebastian Nehrdich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hr at ivs.edu Thu Aug 29 00:19:47 2024 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:19:47 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] tapasya In-Reply-To: References: <1724815802-8583781.85421034.f47S3U0Cm3452783@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <1724890808-562605.830404593.f47T0K77B535498@rs6162.luxsci.com> Thank you Matthew. If I understand correctly your reference to autonomy and heteronomy, then among many applications it reminds me of the common scenario where Indra feels threatened by an aspiring yog? or tapasv?, and sends an apsara to break the yog??s tapas and thus neutralize his power. Thus the yog? loses his autonomy and with it his power. In that sense extreme tapas might be seen as liberating the soul from dependence on the body, with extreme detachment producing extreme power. Just an idea? Thanks again, Howard > On Aug 28, 2024, at 1:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein wrote: > > Hi Howard, > > For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, > may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. > > good luck > Matthew > > Sent from Proton Mail for iOS > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> Dear Scholars, >> >> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. >> >> I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. >> >> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. >> >> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. >> >> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. >> >> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hr at ivs.edu Thu Aug 29 00:28:57 2024 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:28:57 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] tapasya In-Reply-To: References: <1724815802-8583781.85421034.f47S3U0Cm3452783@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <1724891362-9615264.14612158.f47T0TLGV544284@rs6162.luxsci.com> Thank you Nagaraj. How do interpret the appositional relation between ?r?nta and tapta? > On Aug 28, 2024, at 2:24?AM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > > Brihadaranyaka Upanishad uses the word tap in both the senses of burning and deep meditation connecting the two meanings into one. It uses the words s'raanta and tapta sequentially hinting at a synonimity between them. > > asya ?r?ntasya taptasya tejoraso niravartat?gni? || BrhUp_1,2.2 || > > so 'k?mayata -- bh?yas? yaj?ena bh?yo yajeyeti | > so '?r?myat | > sa tapo 'tapyata | > tasya ?r?ntasya taptasya ya?o v?ryam udakr?mat | > pr??? vai ya?o v?ryam | > tat pr??e??tkr?nte?u ?ar?ra? ?vayitum adhriyata | > tasya ?ar?ra eva mana ?s?t || BrhUp_1,2.6 || > > tasm?t sarvadevatya? prok?ita? pr?j?patyam ?labhante | > e?a v? a?vamedho ya e?a tapati | > tasya sa?vatsara ?tm? | > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 1:50?PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> Hi Howard, >> >> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, >> may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. >> >> good luck >> Matthew >> >> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>> >>> Dear Scholars, >>> >>> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. >>> >>> I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. >>> >>> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. >>> >>> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. >>> >>> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. >>> >>> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Howard >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > Dean, IndicA > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra > BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. > Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As you note, claims pertaining to the attainment of siddhis are accepted without question by almost all traditions, Buddhist, Jain and Vaidica, in both folk (e.g. Puranic literature and its offshoots) and rationalist expressions (e.g.Nyaya and Vedanta). These are very serious thinkers whose accomplishments continue to impress us today: you do well to engage such claims seriously rather than in a facile ,reflexive manner. > > For an extended discussion on the metaphysics underpinning the siddhis as logical and coherent extensions of Samkhya philosophical presuppositions, see: > > https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/wp-content/uploads/sites/169/2023/12/s42240-020-00073-z.pdf > > EB. > > > > From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2024 3:29 PM > To: Indology List > > Subject: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > > Dear Scholars, > > Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. > > I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. > > One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. > > I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. > > The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. > > I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. > > Thanks in advance! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist.indology.info%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Findology&data=05%7C02%7Cedbryant%40connect.rutgers.edu%7C567be55856e446d8b07208dcc711b8f3%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C638604126169375529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BOF%2FgY%2BjuqYR1mDnhOJM33Q6B1PL%2B4eG%2FIqURheWgK8%3D&reserved=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you need a scan, don?t hesitate to let it me know. > Best wishes, > Axel / Michaels > > > From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of "indology at list.indology.info " > > Reply to: Patrick Olivelle > > Date: Wednesday, 28. August 2024 at 16:12 > To: Matthew Kapstein > > Cc: "indology at list.indology.info " > > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > > There is also the book by Walter O. Kaelber, Tapta M?rga. > > Tapta Marga: Asceticism and Initiation in Vedic India > amazon.com > > > > >> On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> Hi Howard, >> >> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, >> may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. >> >> good luck >> Matthew >> >> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>> Dear Scholars, >>> >>> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. >>> >>> I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. >>> >>> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. >>> >>> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. >>> >>> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. >>> >>> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Howard >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 09:51:59 2024 From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 11:51:59 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?sinhalese_th=C5=ABpava=E1=B9=83saya_manuscr?= =?utf-8?q?ipt?= Message-ID: <6320a1ab-2fc5-4314-ae4e-5d8995fe76bd@gmail.com> Dear listmembers, may be someone among you got a copy of the above mentioned manuscript? The British Library is closed for this services. Thank you Heiner -- Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch - Germany/Sri Lanka www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com From mattkapstein at proton.me Thu Aug 29 12:14:50 2024 From: mattkapstein at proton.me (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 12:14:50 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] tapasya In-Reply-To: <1724890808-562605.830404593.f47T0K77B535498@rs6162.luxsci.com> References: <1724815802-8583781.85421034.f47S3U0Cm3452783@rs6162.luxsci.com> <1724890808-562605.830404593.f47T0K77B535498@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <4MSbOryIAHGJM-P39QwmeXFVn8FV_I3kuEoMNyt2ikMG-NFNu3ZPst12dKVnznbb3hmXUnTB-JBwS8badYDNSSI_tsB081uMCtq74mJ6hsY=@proton.me> Dear Howard, Yes, that?s an example. But so is the Buddha?s confrontation with M?ra. The issue is really over the place in Indian sources. Ironically, though tapas is heat, it seems to come down to keeping one?s cool. Matthew Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 02:19, Howard Resnick <[hr at ivs.edu](mailto:On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 02:19, Howard Resnick < wrote: > Thank you Matthew. If I understand correctly your reference to autonomy and heteronomy, then among many applications it reminds me of the common scenario where Indra feels threatened by an aspiring yog? or tapasv?, and sends an apsara to break the yog??s tapas and thus neutralize his power. Thus the yog? loses his autonomy and with it his power. In that sense extreme tapas might be seen as liberating the soul from dependence on the body, with extreme detachment producing extreme power. > > Just an idea? > > Thanks again, > Howard > >> On Aug 28, 2024, at 1:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein wrote: >> >> Hi Howard, >> >> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, >> may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. >> >> good luck >> Matthew >> >> Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY <[indology at list.indology.info](mailto:On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < wrote: >> >>> Dear Scholars, >>> >>> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. >>> >>> I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. >>> >>> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. >>> >>> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. >>> >>> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. >>> >>> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Howard >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tyler.g.neill at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 13:14:09 2024 From: tyler.g.neill at gmail.com (Tyler Neill) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 09:14:09 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Introducing Dharmamitra.org, grammatical analyzers and machine translation for Sanskrit (Sebastian Nehrdich) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks fantastic, Sebastian! The new grammar feature seems super slick. As you've mentioned so many times, let the user beware of relying blindly on results, but as a supplemental tool, it's a jewel. ? Coding up corresponding changes in Skrutable as we speak... ? Tyler ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sebastian Nehrdich > To: Indology List > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 07:15:02 +0900 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Introducing Dharmamitra.org, grammatical analyzers and > machine translation for Sanskrit > Dear List members, > > This is to briefly introduce dharmamitra.org, a project lead by Kurt > Keutzer and myself at BAIR, UC Berkeley, focussing on providing various > GenAI-driven applications for classical Asian languages. > > We recently finished work on a set of neural Sanskrit grammatical analyzer > tools together with Oliver Hellwig based on the annotations of the DCS. > This annotation system is now part of the interactive interface at > dharmamitra.org: When typing Sanskrit input into the translation box, a > button with the label 'grammar' appears below the translation box and when > clicking on this, the analyzed Sanskrit sentences become visible. This > tools currently provides word segmentation, lemmatization and > morphosyntactic tagging. > > We also have inference scripts for this system on this github repository > for those of you who want to run the tools independently on their own > machine (a GPU is advisable as it might otherwise be very slow): > https://github.com/sebastian-nehrdich/sanskrit-analyzers > Among these applications you will also find dependency parsing for Vedic > Sanskrit, a function we do not yet support interactively on the website, > > A publication on the architecture, data etc. used for these tools is > currently on the way. > > We also are open to providing API access for individuals and projects that > would like to use these tools in their workflow. Feel free to contact us if > you are interested! > > Dharmamitra.org also works on providing machine translation capabilities > for Sanskrit into English and other languages. In case you are interested > in this topic and would like to learn more, perhaps even collaborate or > contribute in some way, feel free to reach out to us. We are more than > happy to work together with people that want to explore the possibilities > of this technology. > > With best wishes, > > Sebastian Nehrdich > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Howard Resnick
> To: Matthew Kapstein > Cc: Indology List > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:19:47 -0700 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > Thank you Matthew. If I understand correctly your reference to autonomy > and heteronomy, then among many applications it reminds me of the common > scenario where Indra feels threatened by an aspiring yog? or tapasv?, and > sends an apsara to break the yog??s tapas and thus neutralize his power. > Thus the yog? loses his autonomy and with it his power. In that sense > extreme tapas might be seen as liberating the soul from dependence on the > body, with extreme detachment producing extreme power. > > Just an idea? > > Thanks again, > Howard > > On Aug 28, 2024, at 1:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein > wrote: > > Hi Howard, > > For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, > may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall > exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which > would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of > the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. > > good luck > Matthew > > Sent from Proton Mail for iOS > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info > > > wrote: > > Dear Scholars, > > Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially > itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity > -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of > a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. > > I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the > empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and > detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing > like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient > literature. > > One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the > previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. > > I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous > Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as > a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at > Kuruk?etra. > > The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific > mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya > as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a > process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. > > I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for > any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link > between severe self-abnegation and power. > > Thanks in advance! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Howard Resnick
> To: Nagaraj Paturi > Cc: Matthew Kapstein , Indology List < > indology at list.indology.info> > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:28:57 -0700 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > Thank you Nagaraj. How do interpret the appositional relation between > ?r?nta and tapta? > > On Aug 28, 2024, at 2:24?AM, Nagaraj Paturi > wrote: > > Brihadaranyaka Upanishad uses the word tap in both the senses of burning > and deep meditation connecting the two meanings into one. It uses the words > s'raanta and tapta sequentially hinting at a synonimity between them. > > asya ?r?ntasya taptasya tejoraso niravartat?gni? || BrhUp_1,2.2 || > > so 'k?mayata -- bh?yas? yaj?ena bh?yo yajeyeti | > so '?r?myat | > sa tapo 'tapyata | > tasya ?r?ntasya taptasya ya?o v?ryam udakr?mat | > pr??? vai ya?o v?ryam | > tat pr??e??tkr?nte?u ?ar?ra? ?vayitum adhriyata | > tasya ?ar?ra eva mana ?s?t || BrhUp_1,2.6 || > > tasm?t sarvadevatya? prok?ita? pr?j?patyam ?labhante | > e?a v? a?vamedho ya e?a tapati | > tasya sa?vatsara ?tm? | > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 1:50?PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Hi Howard, >> >> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, >> may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t >> recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a >> Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the >> autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that >> interests you. >> >> good luck >> Matthew >> >> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info >> > >> wrote: >> >> Dear Scholars, >> >> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially >> itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity >> -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of >> a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. >> >> I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the >> empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and >> detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing >> like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient >> literature. >> >> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the >> previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. >> >> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous >> Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as >> a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at >> Kuruk?etra. >> >> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of >> pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of >> course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining >> yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. >> >> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for >> any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link >> between severe self-abnegation and power. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > Dean, IndicA > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra > BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. > Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Howard Resnick
> To: Edwin Bryant > Cc: Indology List > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:00:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > Thank you for your interesting comments, and your very interesting paper > on Yoga-s?tra ontology. > > Can you say more on the specific way that tapasya connects the puru?a to > unlimited power or being, within the S??khya system? > > Gratefully, > Howard > > On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:50?AM, Edwin Bryant > wrote: > > Yoga Sutras IV.1 indicates that siddhis can be attained though 5 different > methods, one of which is tapas (even as Patanjali is clear that these are > of no interest to those seeking samadhi, but only to those whose minds are > flowing "outward," [III.37], viz, towards bhoga). As you note, claims > pertaining to the attainment of siddhis are accepted without question by > almost all traditions, Buddhist, Jain and Vaidica, in both folk (e.g. > Puranic literature and its offshoots) and rationalist expressions > (e.g.Nyaya and Vedanta). These are very serious thinkers whose > accomplishments continue to impress us today: you do well to engage such > claims seriously rather than in a facile ,reflexive manner. > > For an extended discussion on the metaphysics underpinning the siddhis as > logical and coherent extensions of Samkhya philosophical presuppositions, > see: > > > https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/wp-content/uploads/sites/169/2023/12/s42240-020-00073-z.pdf > > EB. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of > Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2024 3:29 PM > *To:* Indology List > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] tapasya > > Dear Scholars, > > Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially > itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity > -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of > a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. > > I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the > empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and > detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing > like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient > literature. > > One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the > previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. > > I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous > Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as > a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at > Kuruk?etra. > > The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific > mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya > as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a > process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. > > I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for > any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link > between severe self-abnegation and power. > > Thanks in advance! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist.indology.info%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Findology&data=05%7C02%7Cedbryant%40connect.rutgers.edu%7C567be55856e446d8b07208dcc711b8f3%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C638604126169375529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BOF%2FgY%2BjuqYR1mDnhOJM33Q6B1PL%2B4eG%2FIqURheWgK8%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Howard Resnick
> To: "Michaels, Prof. Dr. Axel" > Cc: Indology List > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:17:36 -0700 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > Thank you very much for your kind help. > Best wishes, > Howard > > On Aug 28, 2024, at 8:08?AM, Michaels, Prof. Dr. Axel via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > I guess you know the following study (in German): Monika Shee: *tapas und tapasvin in > der erz?hlenden Partien des Mah?bh?rata*. Hamburg: Verlag Dr. Inge > Wezler, 1986. > It?s a detailed philological study. Pp. 204-14 (?*tapas*, *yoga*, *sa**?* > *ny?sa*? and ?*tapas* und Magie?) seem to be especially instructive for > your question. If you need a scan, don?t hesitate to let it me know. > Best wishes, > Axel / Michaels > > > *From: *INDOLOGY on behalf of " > indology at list.indology.info" > *Reply to: *Patrick Olivelle > *Date: *Wednesday, 28. August 2024 at 16:12 > *To: *Matthew Kapstein > *Cc: *"indology at list.indology.info" > *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > > There is also the book by Walter O. Kaelber, *Tapta M?rga.* > > Tapta Marga: Asceticism and Initiation in Vedic India > > amazon.com > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Hi Howard, > > For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, > may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall > exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which > would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of > the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. > > good luck > Matthew > > Sent from Proton Mail for iOS > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info > > > wrote: > > Dear Scholars, > > Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially > itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious > austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the > agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost > innumerable. > > I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the > empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and > detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing > like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient > literature. > > One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the > previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. > > I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous > Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as > a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at > Kuruk?etra. > > The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific > mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya > as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a > process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. > > I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for > any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link > between severe self-abnegation and power. > > Thanks in advance! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rolf Heinrich Koch > To: indology > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 11:51:59 +0200 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] sinhalese th?pava?saya manuscript > Dear listmembers, > > may be someone among you got a copy of the above mentioned manuscript? > The British Library is closed for this services. > > Thank you > > Heiner > > -- > Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch - Germany/Sri Lanka > www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 3:15?PM Sebastian Nehrdich via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear List members, > > This is to briefly introduce dharmamitra.org, a project lead by Kurt > Keutzer and myself at BAIR, UC Berkeley, focussing on providing various > GenAI-driven applications for classical Asian languages. > > We recently finished work on a set of neural Sanskrit grammatical analyzer > tools together with Oliver Hellwig based on the annotations of the DCS. > This annotation system is now part of the interactive interface at > dharmamitra.org: When typing Sanskrit input into the translation box, a > button with the label 'grammar' appears below the translation box and when > clicking on this, the analyzed Sanskrit sentences become visible. This > tools currently provides word segmentation, lemmatization and > morphosyntactic tagging. > > We also have inference scripts for this system on this github repository > for those of you who want to run the tools independently on their own > machine (a GPU is advisable as it might otherwise be very slow): > https://github.com/sebastian-nehrdich/sanskrit-analyzers > Among these applications you will also find dependency parsing for Vedic > Sanskrit, a function we do not yet support interactively on the website, > > A publication on the architecture, data etc. used for these tools is > currently on the way. > > We also are open to providing API access for individuals and projects that > would like to use these tools in their workflow. Feel free to contact us if > you are interested! > > Dharmamitra.org also works on providing machine translation capabilities > for Sanskrit into English and other languages. In case you are interested > in this topic and would like to learn more, perhaps even collaborate or > contribute in some way, feel free to reach out to us. We are more than > happy to work together with people that want to explore the possibilities > of this technology. > > With best wishes, > > Sebastian Nehrdich > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hr at ivs.edu Thu Aug 29 23:03:08 2024 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:03:08 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] tapasya In-Reply-To: <1563139047.617894.1724880314955@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1724815802-8583781.85421034.f47S3U0Cm3452783@rs6162.luxsci.com> <0A8C23CD-133D-47F0-9B05-A1BF9A09FA17@austin.utexas.edu> <5779D12B-D998-4698-9284-36FA22C4DF01@hcts.uni-heidelberg.de> <1563139047.617894.1724880314955@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1724972619-2973889.62845641.f47TN3cwP1893045@rs6162.luxsci.com> Greetings Michael, Thank you for mentioning an important type of tapas practiced by the chaste wife. This reminds me of the G?t? 17.14: deva-dvija-guru-pr?j?a-p?jana? ?aucam ?rjavam brahmacaryam ahi?s? ca ??r?ra? tapa ucyate It seems that brahmacaryam, celibacy, as a ??r?ram tapa?, bodily austerity, can be compared to the self-control of the chaste woman or wife. Thanks again, Howard > On Aug 28, 2024, at 2:25?PM, michael baltutis via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Greetings Howard and All, > > Recall the related example of the tapas of Sita in the Ramayana. I copy and paste the following passage from my new introduction to Hinduism (Baltutis 2024: 106): > > Kidnapped by Ravan and taken captive to his capital of Lanka, she contrasts his awful behavior with that of the righteous Ram (dharma-atman), reminding Ravan of (and threatening him with) both her shri and her shakti. She tells Ravan: > > It is only because I have not been so ordered by Rama and because I wish to > preserve intact the power of my austerities (tapas) that I do not reduce you > to ashes with my own blazing power (tejas), for that is what you deserve. > (5.20.20 [Goldman and Sutherland Goldman 2021: 469]) > > In this threat, Sita combines social and cultural categories that are often kept separate. As a woman concerned with doing her wifely duties, she saves the demise of Ravan for her husband Ram, a warrior, king, and avatar of Vishnu who regularly relieves the earth of its burden of demonic evil. At the same time, however, she has accumulated through her performance of domestic duties the tapas and tejas that male renouncers typically earn through powerful yogic practices. > > Best, > Michael > > Michael Baltutis > Professor, South Asian Religions > Chair, Department of Anthropology, Global Religions and Cultures > University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh > Book Review Editor, International Journal of Hindu Studies > What is Hinduism?: A Student's Introduction > The Festival of Indra > > > > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 10:08:57 AM CDT, Michaels, Prof. Dr. Axel via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > > I guess you know the following study (in German): Monika Shee: tapas und tapasvin in der erz?hlenden Partien des Mah?bh?rata. Hamburg: Verlag Dr. Inge Wezler, 1986. > It?s a detailed philological study. Pp. 204-14 (?tapas, yoga, sa?ny?sa? and ?tapas und Magie?) seem to be especially instructive for your question. If you need a scan, don?t hesitate to let it me know. > Best wishes, > Axel / Michaels > > > From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of "indology at list.indology.info " > > Reply to: Patrick Olivelle > > Date: Wednesday, 28. August 2024 at 16:12 > To: Matthew Kapstein > > Cc: "indology at list.indology.info " > > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > > There is also the book by Walter O. Kaelber, Tapta M?rga. ? > Tapta Marga: Asceticism and Initiation in Vedic India > amazon.com > > > > > On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > Hi Howard, > > For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, > may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. > > good luck > Matthew > > Sent from Proton Mail for iOS > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear Scholars, > > Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. > > I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. > > One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. > > I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. > > The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. > > I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. > > Thanks in advance! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology ? > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But so is the Buddha?s confrontation with M?ra. The issue is really over the place in Indian sources. > > Ironically, though tapas is heat, it seems to come down to keeping one?s cool. > > Matthew > > Sent from Proton Mail for iOS > > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 02:19, Howard Resnick
> wrote: >> >> Thank you Matthew. If I understand correctly your reference to autonomy and heteronomy, then among many applications it reminds me of the common scenario where Indra feels threatened by an aspiring yog? or tapasv?, and sends an apsara to break the yog??s tapas and thus neutralize his power. Thus the yog? loses his autonomy and with it his power. In that sense extreme tapas might be seen as liberating the soul from dependence on the body, with extreme detachment producing extreme power. >> >> Just an idea? >> >> Thanks again, >> Howard >> >>> On Aug 28, 2024, at 1:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein wrote: >>> >>> Hi Howard, >>> >>> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, >>> may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. >>> >>> good luck >>> Matthew >>> >>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Scholars, >>>> >>>> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. >>>> >>>> I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. >>>> >>>> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. >>>> >>>> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. >>>> >>>> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. >>>> >>>> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance! >>>> >>>> Howard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hr at ivs.edu Fri Aug 30 00:57:10 2024 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 17:57:10 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] tapasya In-Reply-To: References: <1724815802-8583781.85421034.f47S3U0Cm3452783@rs6162.luxsci.com> <1724893252-6837011.33143956.f47T10pve572708@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <1724979460-6004645.87243542.f47U0vciY1995964@rs6162.luxsci.com> Thank you. Much appreciated. > On Aug 29, 2024, at 5:51?AM, Edwin Bryant wrote: > > Sanyama which underpins the manifestation of the siddhis, is the ultimate expression of tapas, and is featured in pada III, vibhuti (siddhi) pada, where it occurs a dozen or more times. If you read the sutras and commentaries of that pada (which I attempted to distill) you will encounter everything the classical yoga shastra had to say about the connections you seek . > From: Howard Resnick
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 1:00 PM > To: Edwin Bryant > Cc: Indology List > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > > Thank you for your interesting comments, and your very interesting paper on Yoga-s?tra ontology. > > Can you say more on the specific way that tapasya connects the puru?a to unlimited power or being, within the S??khya system? > > Gratefully, > Howard > >> On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:50?AM, Edwin Bryant wrote: >> >> Yoga Sutras IV.1 indicates that siddhis can be attained though 5 different methods, one of which is tapas (even as Patanjali is clear that these are of no interest to those seeking samadhi, but only to those whose minds are flowing "outward," [III.37], viz, towards bhoga). As you note, claims pertaining to the attainment of siddhis are accepted without question by almost all traditions, Buddhist, Jain and Vaidica, in both folk (e.g. Puranic literature and its offshoots) and rationalist expressions (e.g.Nyaya and Vedanta). These are very serious thinkers whose accomplishments continue to impress us today: you do well to engage such claims seriously rather than in a facile ,reflexive manner. >> >> For an extended discussion on the metaphysics underpinning the siddhis as logical and coherent extensions of Samkhya philosophical presuppositions, see: >> >> https://sites.rutgers.edu/edwin-bryant/wp-content/uploads/sites/169/2023/12/s42240-020-00073-z.pdf >> >> EB. >> >> >> >> From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2024 3:29 PM >> To: Indology List > >> Subject: [INDOLOGY] tapasya >> >> Dear Scholars, >> >> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. >> >> I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. >> >> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. >> >> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. >> >> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. >> >> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist.indology.info%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Findology&data=05%7C02%7Cedbryant%40connect.rutgers.edu%7C567be55856e446d8b07208dcc711b8f3%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C638604126169375529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BOF%2FgY%2BjuqYR1mDnhOJM33Q6B1PL%2B4eG%2FIqURheWgK8%3D&reserved=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pativrataa in the story , mentioning the powers coming from her actions, says, ??????????? ??? ???? ??????????????? ??????? | ????? ?? ????? ????? ??????????????? ?? ||??|| In her conversation with Kautsa she adds the lifestyle of a Vyaadha as another example of the same kind as hers. While thinking of going to Vyaadha, Kautsa describes such a lifestyle as tapas by describing Vyaadha as tapodhana. ???????? ?????????????? ?????? ?????? ??? | ?? ??????????????? ????? ???????? ??????? ||?|| Again powers from vyaadha's lifestyle come into play when vyaadha says ????????? ?????????? ???? ???? ?????????? | ???????????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ||??|| On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 4:34?AM Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Greetings Michael, > > Thank you for mentioning an important type of tapas practiced by the > chaste wife. This reminds me of the G?t? 17.14: > > deva-dvija-guru-pr?j?a-p?jana? ?aucam ?rjavam > brahmacaryam ahi?s? ca ??r?ra? tapa ucyate > > It seems that brahmacaryam, celibacy, as a ??r?ram tapa?, bodily > austerity, can be compared to the self-control of the chaste woman or wife. > > Thanks again, > Howard > > > On Aug 28, 2024, at 2:25?PM, michael baltutis via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Greetings Howard and All, > > Recall the related example of the tapas of Sita in the Ramayana. I copy > and paste the following passage from my new introduction to Hinduism > (Baltutis 2024: 106): > > Kidnapped by Ravan and taken captive to his capital of Lanka, she > contrasts his awful behavior with that of the righteous Ram (dharma-atman), > reminding Ravan of (and threatening him with) both her shri and her shakti. > She tells Ravan: > > It is only because I have not been so ordered by Rama and because I wish to > preserve intact the power of my austerities (tapas) that I do not reduce > you > to ashes with my own blazing power (tejas), for that is what you deserve. > (5.20.20 [Goldman and Sutherland Goldman 2021: 469]) > > In this threat, Sita combines social and cultural categories that are > often kept separate. As a woman concerned with doing her wifely duties, she > saves the demise of Ravan for her husband Ram, a warrior, king, and avatar > of Vishnu who regularly relieves the earth of its burden of demonic evil. > At the same time, however, she has accumulated through her performance of > domestic duties the tapas and tejas that male renouncers typically earn > through powerful yogic practices. > > Best, > Michael > > Michael Baltutis > Professor, South Asian Religions > Chair, Department of Anthropology, Global Religions and Cultures > > University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh > Book Review Editor, > *International Journal of Hindu Studies* > *What is Hinduism?: A Student's Introduction > **The > Festival of Indra * > > > > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 10:08:57 AM CDT, Michaels, Prof. Dr. Axel > via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > I guess you know the following study (in German): Monika Shee: *tapas und tapasvin in > der erz?hlenden Partien des Mah?bh?rata*. Hamburg: Verlag Dr. Inge > Wezler, 1986. > It?s a detailed philological study. Pp. 204-14 (?*tapas*, *yoga*, *sa**?* > *ny?sa*? and ?*tapas* und Magie?) seem to be especially instructive for > your question. If you need a scan, don?t hesitate to let it me know. > Best wishes, > Axel / Michaels > > > > > *From: *INDOLOGY on behalf of " > indology at list.indology.info" > *Reply to: *Patrick Olivelle > *Date: *Wednesday, 28. August 2024 at 16:12 > *To: *Matthew Kapstein > *Cc: *"indology at list.indology.info" > *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya > > > There is also the book by Walter O. Kaelber, *Tapta M?rga.* > [image: image001.png] > Tapta Marga: Asceticism and Initiation in Vedic India > > amazon.com > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > Hi Howard, > > > For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, > may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall > exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which > would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of > the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. > > > good luck > Matthew > > > Sent from Proton Mail for iOS > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info > > > wrote: > > Dear Scholars, > > Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially > itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious > austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the > agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost > innumerable. > > I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the > empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and > detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing > like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient > literature. > > One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the > previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. > > I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous > Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as > a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at > Kuruk?etra. > > The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific > mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya > as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a > process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. > > I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for > any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link > between severe self-abnegation and power. > > Thanks in advance! > > Howard > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > [image: image001.png] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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Best, Oliver --- Oliver Hellwig, IVS Zurich On 29/08/2024 00:15, Sebastian Nehrdich via INDOLOGY wrote: > Dear List members, > > This is to briefly introduce dharmamitra.org , > a project lead by Kurt Keutzer and myself at BAIR, UC Berkeley, > focussing on providing various GenAI-driven applications for classical > Asian languages. > > We recently finished work on a set of neural Sanskrit grammatical > analyzer tools together with Oliver Hellwig based on the annotations of > the DCS. This annotation system is now part of the interactive interface > at dharmamitra.org : When typing Sanskrit input > into the translation box, a button with the label 'grammar' appears > below the translation box and when clicking on this, the analyzed > Sanskrit sentences become visible. This tools currently provides word > segmentation, lemmatization and morphosyntactic tagging. > > We also have inference scripts for this system on this github repository > for those of you who want to run the tools independently on their?own > machine (a GPU is advisable as it might otherwise be very slow): > https://github.com/sebastian-nehrdich/sanskrit-analyzers github.com/sebastian-nehrdich/sanskrit-analyzers> > Among these applications you will also find dependency parsing for Vedic > Sanskrit, a function we do not yet support interactively on the website, > > A publication on the architecture, data etc. used for these tools is > currently on the way. > > We also are open to providing API access for individuals and projects > that would like to use these tools in their workflow. Feel free to > contact us if you are interested! > > Dharmamitra.org also works on providing machine translation capabilities > for Sanskrit into English and other languages. In case you are > interested in this topic and would like to learn more, perhaps even > collaborate or contribute in some way, feel free to reach out to us. We > are more than happy to work together with people that want to explore > the possibilities of this technology. > > With best wishes, > > Sebastian Nehrdich > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From hr at ivs.edu Fri Aug 30 17:10:19 2024 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 10:10:19 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] tapasya In-Reply-To: References: <1724815802-8583781.85421034.f47S3U0Cm3452783@rs6162.luxsci.com> <0A8C23CD-133D-47F0-9B05-A1BF9A09FA17@austin.utexas.edu> <5779D12B-D998-4698-9284-36FA22C4DF01@hcts.uni-heidelberg.de> <1563139047.617894.1724880314955@mail.yahoo.com> <1724972619-2973889.62845641.f47TN3cwP1893045@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <1725037849-579281.610233553.f47UHAm6T2966990@rs6162.luxsci.com> Thank you Nagaraj! > On Aug 29, 2024, at 9:02?PM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > > Talking of tapas in the form of paativratya , particularly your interest in powers from such tapas, pativratopaakhyaana of Mahabharata comes to mind. > > Pativrataa in the story , mentioning the powers coming from her actions, says, > > ??????????? ??? ???? ??????????????? ??????? | > ????? ?? ????? ????? ??????????????? ?? ||??|| > In her conversation with Kautsa she adds the lifestyle of a Vyaadha as another example of the same kind as hers. > > While thinking of going to Vyaadha, Kautsa describes such a lifestyle as tapas by describing Vyaadha as tapodhana. > ???????? ?????????????? ?????? ?????? ??? | > ?? ??????????????? ????? ???????? ??????? ||?|| > > Again powers from vyaadha's lifestyle come into play when vyaadha says > ????????? ?????????? ???? ???? ?????????? | > ???????????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ||??|| > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 4:34?AM Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> Greetings Michael, >> >> Thank you for mentioning an important type of tapas practiced by the chaste wife. This reminds me of the G?t? 17.14: >> >> deva-dvija-guru-pr?j?a-p?jana? ?aucam ?rjavam >> brahmacaryam ahi?s? ca ??r?ra? tapa ucyate >> >> It seems that brahmacaryam, celibacy, as a ??r?ram tapa?, bodily austerity, can be compared to the self-control of the chaste woman or wife. >> >> Thanks again, >> Howard >> >>> On Aug 28, 2024, at 2:25?PM, michael baltutis via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>> >>> Greetings Howard and All, >>> >>> Recall the related example of the tapas of Sita in the Ramayana. I copy and paste the following passage from my new introduction to Hinduism (Baltutis 2024: 106): >>> >>> Kidnapped by Ravan and taken captive to his capital of Lanka, she contrasts his awful behavior with that of the righteous Ram (dharma-atman), reminding Ravan of (and threatening him with) both her shri and her shakti. She tells Ravan: >>> >>> It is only because I have not been so ordered by Rama and because I wish to >>> preserve intact the power of my austerities (tapas) that I do not reduce you >>> to ashes with my own blazing power (tejas), for that is what you deserve. >>> (5.20.20 [Goldman and Sutherland Goldman 2021: 469]) >>> >>> In this threat, Sita combines social and cultural categories that are often kept separate. As a woman concerned with doing her wifely duties, she saves the demise of Ravan for her husband Ram, a warrior, king, and avatar of Vishnu who regularly relieves the earth of its burden of demonic evil. At the same time, however, she has accumulated through her performance of domestic duties the tapas and tejas that male renouncers typically earn through powerful yogic practices. >>> >>> Best, >>> Michael >>> >>> Michael Baltutis >>> Professor, South Asian Religions >>> Chair, Department of Anthropology, Global Religions and Cultures >>> University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh >>> Book Review Editor, International Journal of Hindu Studies >>> What is Hinduism?: A Student's Introduction >>> The Festival of Indra >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2024 at 10:08:57 AM CDT, Michaels, Prof. Dr. Axel via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>> >>> >>> I guess you know the following study (in German): Monika Shee: tapas und tapasvin in der erz?hlenden Partien des Mah?bh?rata. Hamburg: Verlag Dr. Inge Wezler, 1986. >>> It?s a detailed philological study. Pp. 204-14 (?tapas, yoga, sa?ny?sa? and ?tapas und Magie?) seem to be especially instructive for your question. If you need a scan, don?t hesitate to let it me know. >>> Best wishes, >>> Axel / Michaels >>> >>> >>> From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of "indology at list.indology.info " > >>> Reply to: Patrick Olivelle > >>> Date: Wednesday, 28. August 2024 at 16:12 >>> To: Matthew Kapstein > >>> Cc: "indology at list.indology.info " > >>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] tapasya >>> >>> There is also the book by Walter O. Kaelber, Tapta M?rga. >>> >>> Tapta Marga: Asceticism and Initiation in Vedic India >>> amazon.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 28, 2024, at 3:20?AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>> >>> Hi Howard, >>> >>> For some reason, I think that Heinrich Zimmer, >>> may have written about this, but I?m away from my library and can?t recall exactly where. Maybe Philosophies of India. He was a Schopenhauerian, which would make good sense here, as the problem of the autonomy or heteronomy of the will seems clearly central to the topic that interests you. >>> >>> good luck >>> Matthew >>> >>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 05:29, Howard Resnick via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>> Dear Scholars, >>> >>> Within various genres of Sanskrit literature, perhaps especially itih?sa-pur??a, we find a pervasive belief that tapasya ? serious austerity -- bestows power on the performer, either directly or through the agency of a Deva, ??i, or other superior being. The examples are almost innumerable. >>> >>> I?m trying to explore this claim about the power of tapasya. On the empirical side, one can speak of the power of mental discipline and detachment from the body, etc. But of course empirically, there is nothing like the supernatural results obtained by serious ascetics in the ancient literature. >>> >>> One common apologetic is to attribute or assign such powers to the previous three yugas, with the claim that those powers fail in Kali-yuga. >>> >>> I bring this up because I am working on a reconstruction of the famous Mah?bh?rata story of Amb? who performed unimaginable tapasya, and then, as a result, took birth as ?ikha??? and enabled the killing of Bh??ma at Kuruk?etra. >>> >>> The facile explanation of course is to invoke the notion of pre-scientific mythology. I am trying to take a more cautious approach. Of course tapasya as a source of power intersects the notion of attaining yoga-siddhis, a process in which tapasya is also heavily involved. >>> >>> I bring this up in a heuristic, exploratory way and would be grateful for any observations, insights, or theories about this, especially the link between severe self-abnegation and power. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Howard >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > Dean, IndicA > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra > BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. > Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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