[INDOLOGY] Tibetan Buddhism Question (with apologies for cross-posting)

[Jeffery Long]

Dear Geoffrey and Westin,

Thank you both for your very helpful answers to my question. And thank you to those who have responded off the list as well.

All the best!

Jeff

Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Carl W. Zeigler Professor of Religion, Philosophy, & Asian Studies
School of Arts & Humanities
Elizabethtown College
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Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Ethical, Philosophical, and Theological
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> On Mar 24, 2023, at 3:52 AM, Westin Harris <wlharris at ucdavis.edu> wrote:
> 
> Dear Indologists/Tibetologists,
> 
> Just to add to Geoffrey Samuel’s point above, some of the examples cited above (Khyentse, Kongtrul, Dudjom; other examples include the incarnation lineages of Jigme Lingpa and Dza Patrul Rinpoche) are not necessarily viewed as “competing” from within the tradition — though there are certainly competitive or even adversarial examples. 
> 
> At least in the Nyingmapa context with which I am most familiar, multiple tulkus are sometimes classified within the common fivefold system of “body, speech, mind, qualities, and activity.” So it is common to hear that X Rinpoche is regarded as the “speech incarnation” while Y Rinpoche is regarded as the “activity incarnation” of the same predecessor.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Westin Harris
> Ph.D. Candidate
> Study of Religion
> University of California, Davis
> https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris <https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris>
> 
> 2021 Dissertation Fellow,
> The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Program in Buddhist Studies
> 
> Sarva Mangalam.
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2023, at 7:17 AM, Geoffrey Samuel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The recognition of multiple incarnations is not that uncommon, either historically or in the present day. Though normally it is not a question of a single authority certifying two or more people as rebirths of the same lama, but of several competing candidates being certified by competing authorities. This may be resolved by one of the candidates emerging over time as generally recognised, but it may also be resolved by negotiation leading to more than one being recognised. 
>> 
>> The classic example there is the recognition of three candidates of the Shabdrung Rinpoche, the head lama and ruler of pre-modern Bhutan, as representing the body, speech and mind of the Shabdrung. The story is told in Michael Aris's Bhutan: The Early History of a Himalayan Kingdom (Aris and Phillips, Warminster, 1979, see pp.258-262 in particular). 
>> 
>> The multiple reincarnations of the Mkhyen brtse, Kong sprul and Mchog gling lamas in the 20th century are another well-known example (see E. Gene Smith, Among Tibetan Texts, Wisdom Publications, Boston, 2001, pp.267-272; Orgyan Tobgyal, The Lifeof Chokgyur Lingpa, Rangjung Yeshe Publications, Kathmandu, 1988, pp.47-60). For more recent examples there are the multiple rebirths of bDud ’joms Rin po che or the 16th rGyal ba Karma pa. But there are quite a few others.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Geoffrey
>> 
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>> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Sent: 24 March 2023 01:16
>> To: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tibetan Buddhism Question (with apologies for cross-posting)
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>> 
>> Dear Colleagues,
>> 
>> I assume most of us have seen Bernardo Bertolucci’s film Little Buddha. If you have not seen it, you may want to stop reading this email at this point, as I am about to spoil the plot with my question.
>> 
>> Have there been any historical cases of a tülku being certified as having been reborn in more than one body at the same time? In the film, the three children who are candidates for the reincarnation of Lama Dorje are all determined to be his reincarnation. Is this based on any actual historical precedent?
>> 
>> I seem to recall this being the case, but I have searched in vain for the reference (if it does, indeed, exist).
>> 
>> Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to offer!
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>> Carl W. Zeigler Professor of Religion, Philosophy, & Asian Studies
>> School of Arts & Humanities
>> Elizabethtown College
>> Elizabethtown, PA
>>  
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