[INDOLOGY] Help/advice

Mon Jan 16 13:28:29 UTC 2023

Dear Dan,

     Thank you so much for this solution. With suggestions from Hans and
Don, I am now able to type all these variations. This is especially useful
typing stuff about Pāṇini. Indology shines!!!

ē̃̀ ō̃̀ ē̃́ ō̃́ ḕ ḗ ṑ ṓ ẽ õ ẽ̀ ẽ́ õ̀ ṍ

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 4:22 AM Dan Lusthaus <prajnapti at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Madhav et al.,
>
> It should work: to wit: ē̃̀ ō̃̀
>
> Opt.-a + e [or o], opt-shift n, opt-shift `.
>
> best wishes,
> Dan
>
> On Jan 15, 2023, at 11:12 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Hans,
>
>      At least on my Mac, your solution seems to work for ā̃̀, ī̃̀, ū̃̀,
> ṝ̃̀ and ḷ̃̀ but does not seem to work for e and o. On e and o, it allows
> me to add either nasality or accent, but not both.
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 7:55 PM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Hans. Wow, this solution works on my Mac. Now the next question
>> is this. When Pāṇini says that "ai, au" are nasal and udātta or svarita,
>> where do we place the signs for nasality and accent? On both segments of
>> "ai, au," or only on the final segment? We don't have this dilemma in
>> Devanagari.
>>
>> Madhav
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore,
>> India
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 7:11 PM Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Madhav,
>>>
>>> On the Mac, if you use a unicode-compatible font (e.g. Times New Roman)
>>> and select ABD - Extended for the keyboard, you can put together something
>>> like this ā̃́ as follows: Option a + a = ā; ā + Shift Option n = ā̃; ā̃
>>> plus Shift Option e = ā̃́. The important thing to not is that after the
>>> first diacritic (which you insert with the usual Option selection before
>>> selecting the base character), any other diacritics have to be added after
>>> the base character by using Shift Option.
>>>
>>> I don’t know whether you can go beyond adding three diacritics (I
>>> haven’t tried or needed to), but for what you are concerned with, the above
>>> should work.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Hans Henrich
>>>
>>> On 15 Jan2023, at 19:30, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Tim. Will give it a try. Often writing about Pāṇini, a need
>>> arises to show triple marking - length, nasality and accent. Lately I have
>>> had some difficulty in producing such triple markings.
>>>
>>> Madhav
>>>
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore,
>>> India
>>>
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 5:04 PM Lubin, Tim <LubinT at wlu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Madhav,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As Suresh Kolichala says, several Unicode fonts include all the
>>>> requisite glyphs.  I think you were also asking about a suitable keylaylout
>>>> for Mac, to produce them.  EasyUnicode can handle that.  The basic
>>>> repertoire of Indic transliteration characters are specially assigned to
>>>> Opt+character+[letter] or Opt+Shift+[letter].
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But the full set of “Unicode Combining Diacritical Marks” (0301-0362)
>>>> are also available with EasyUnicode.
>>>>
>>>> To add one to any letter, *first type the letter* destined to bear the
>>>> diacritical mark, and then press *opt+1* (a ring will appear
>>>> temporarily) and *then press the key assigned to the desired
>>>> diacritical mark* per the chart below.  For example:
>>>>    i. Type the letter "ā"
>>>>
>>>>    ii. Press "option+1"
>>>>    iii. Press "e" which is assigned for the Unicode "Combining Acute
>>>> Accent" (0301). Result: ā́
>>>>
>>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> Examples:Acute: "option+1" and "e", Greve: "option+1" and "@", Breve:
>>>> "option+1" and "b", Caron: "option+1" and "v",Ring below: "option+1" and
>>>> "r"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alternative diacritical marks can be called by "option+1" and then
>>>> pressing "shift" key.
>>>> Examples: Breve Below: "option+1" and "shift+b", Caron Below:
>>>> "option+1" and "shift+v":
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <image002.jpg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Timothy Lubin
>>>> Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion, and Adjunct Professor of Law
>>>> Head of the Law, Justice, and Society Program
>>>> 204 Tucker Hall
>>>> Washington and Lee University
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *From: *INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>>>> INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> *Reply-To: *Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>
>>>> *Date: *Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 6:15 PM
>>>> *To: *Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>>>> *Cc: *INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] Help/advice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Madhavji
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Every Unicode font that is well implemented should support all the
>>>> combinations of diacritics. For instance, here is what I get with Times New
>>>> Roman and Arial, with length, nasal, and accents.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <image003.png>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attached is the word document I used. Let me know if it doesn't show
>>>> correctly on your machines.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Suresh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 11:28 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What font/keyboard-layout will allow me to type multiple diacritics on
>>>> vowels, i.e length, nasality and accent? I want to type the 18 varieties of
>>>> avarṇa as discussed by the grammarians. Any suggestions are welcome. Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>
>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>
>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>
>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>
>>>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore,
>>>> India
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>>
>>>>
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