[INDOLOGY] a statement about respectable women

[victor davella]

Dear Gaia,

See Ratirahasyam of Kokkoka 12.6 (text
<https://archive.org/details/ratirahasyam/page/n113/mode/2up>) (translation
<https://archive.org/details/ratirahasyakamasutraasi/page/n129/mode/2up>).

All the Best,
Victor

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 2:06 AM Shubham Arora via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> (Apologies to mods, I replied with the wrong email address originally.
> Hopefully this goes through properly)
>
> Hi Gaia and list members,
>
> You might be interested in checking out the fourth book of the *Kāmasūtra*,
> titled “*bhāryādhikārika* or Wives.” The first chapter of this book
> discusses a wife’s lifestyle and her household duties. In particular:
> *paścāt saṃveśanaṃ pūrvam utthānam anavabodhanaṃ ca suptasya* [KS 4.1.17].
> “she lies down after him, gets up before him, and never wakes him up when
> he is asleep” (Doniger and Kakar 2002: 95).
> The following section talks about her conduct during her husband’s
> absence. Hope this helps.
>
> All best,
> Shubham
>
>
> —
> Shubham Arora
> Doctoral Candidate
> Dept. of Asian Studies | University of British Columbia
>
> On Aug 2, 2023, at 12:41 AM, Gaia Pintucci via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear list members,
>
> I encountered the following statement:
> kulāṅganā hi caramaṃ śāyinyaḥ prathamaṃ prabodhinyaś ca bhavanti
> and it was marked with an iti.
> (A variant wording has caramaśāyinyaḥ prathamāvabodhinyaś for caramaṃ
> śāyinyaḥ prathamaṃ prabodhinyaś.)
> Unfortunately my grepping yielded no result, therefore if someone among
> you happens to know the source for this sentence or has a hunch of the type
> of source which could include a similar statement, I would be very grateful
> to hear from you. (I am thinking that dharmaśāstra might be the right place
> to search for it, but it would be nice to first narrow down the range of
> texts to examine.)
> Beside that and regardless whether the above really is a verbatim quote or
> not, do any of you know more about the prescription/usage, in the ancient
> Indian context, that women, if they are respectable, wake up first and go
> to bed last?
>
> All the best,
> Gaia Pintucci
>
>
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