[INDOLOGY] Wiener Zeitschrift für die Kunde Südasiens

Tue Aug 1 01:51:01 UTC 2023

Dear colleagues,

Thank you for your responses and suggestions.

I will make an effort to find out with Hollinek whether they actually 
still have some copies of vols. 1-5 (which I doubt, or if any, doubt 
they will be able to find in their holdings), and with Brill for volumes 
12 to 14.

When I joined the ISTB in 1999, I was able to grab the last volumes of 3 
and 14 for myself. Tf Hollinek and Brill would reply in the negative, 
1-5 and 12-14 would indeed be out of print.

The copyright has always been with the publisher, not with the authors. 
Fortunately, the vast majority of them is still with us, and those who 
are not have not yet passed away for 60 years.

With best regards,

Karin Preisendanz

Am 31.07.2023 10:28, schrieb Antonio Ferreira-Jardim:
> Dear Professor Silk,
> 
> Apropos the Journal Asiatique, I've had great success contacting the
> Société directly to provide high quality scans of articles. The
> contact email I have used on file (contact at societe-asiatique.fr)
> has worked well.
> 
> With regard to the pre-1991 WZKS volumes, I believe that it's likely
> the case legally that unless copyright was specifically assigned to
> the authors then it would be presumed to reside with the publishers up
> to 60 years after the death of the author. The question is, would the
> publishers (or their legal successors) enforce copyright if scans of
> the out of print volumes appeared in the public space?
> 
> Regardless, it's wonderful to know that most of the old volumes are
> still available from the STB at the UW at such affordable prices!
> Thank you very much Prof Preisendanz!!!
> 
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
> 
> On Mon, 31 July 2023, 6:11 pm Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY,
> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Friends,
>> 
>> As a footnote, and perhaps a slim chance of creating a window (??),
>> I recall very clearly discussions I had quite some time ago with
>> Prof Saito Akira about the _Japanese Journal of Indian and Buddhist
>> Studies_ (IBK). The reasoning in the beginning was that the
>> copyright for all articles in the journal rested with the authors,
>> and therefore it would not be possible to place on line those
>> contributions for which permission could not be obtained. This of
>> course would be impossible, all the more so as contributors to the
>> earlier volumes were in many cases no longer among us.
>> 
>> I do not know how they resolved the question, but not so many years
>> after our conversation (I don't recall how long it took) everything
>> appeared online, and in a wonderful fashion, quite unlike --still a
>> scandal I think-- what one sees from France with the _Journal
>> Asiatique_, for instance, which is often  virtually illegible.
>> 
>> Also by the way, the IBK scans are linked to the inbuds.net [1]
>> database, which while not perfect is searchable in many ways, and is
>> a genuinely great beginning to not only making bibliography
>> available but linking it to scans, in some cases-- along with the
>> CiNii database  (https://cir.nii.ac.jp/), this is a more than good
>> model for making such material accessible, since unlike jstor etc
>> the inbuds database also has keywords and the like.
>> 
>> Anyway, with regard to the French situation, perhaps Matthew could
>> motivate some of his contacts in Paris to bring to bear modern
>> technology on that currently difficult matter. Reading scans from
>> Gallica sometimes evokes nightmares of trying to read the old b/w
>> microfilms of the Narthang Kanjur...
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 12:08 AM Karin.Preisendanz via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your interest.
>>> 
>>> I had responded to Matthew immediately after he had sent his
>>> inquiry.
>>> 
>>> Here is a slightly abbreviated version of my reply to him back
>>> then.
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> 
>>> The pre-1991 volumes are not available in scanned form. Even
>>> though in
>>> 2013 I spent a lot of (eventually wasted) time on this matter,
>>> together
>>> with the legal department of the Austrian Academy of Sciences
>>> (inasmuch
>>> as its publishing house is functioning as publisher since 1991),
>>> the
>>> Academy finally withdrew from the project of making the earlier
>>> volumes
>>> available on JSTOR because of 1) the demand of an inordinate
>>> amount of
>>> money by the still-extant successor of the Vienna publishing house
>>> 
>>> Hollinek that had published the earliest volumes (and, of course,
>>> long
>>> forgotten about this until the inquiry came), and 2) their
>>> reluctance to
>>> get into complicated negotations with Brill which was subsequently
>>> 
>>> acting as international "publisher on commission" until the
>>> Academy
>>> publishing house took over in 1991, together with Vienna-based
>>> Gerold,
>>> the second "publisher on commission", which is, however,
>>> definitely
>>> defunct.
>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, Brill never responded to the inquiry by the
>>> Academy.
>>> The former Department of Indology (succeeded by the Department of
>>> South
>>> Asian, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies) of the University of Vienna
>>> was the
>>> main copyrighted publisher back then, but my (or the University's)
>>> 
>>> consent would not have been sufficient from the legal point of
>>> view to
>>> provided scanned versions of the volumes before 1991. Even though
>>> no
>>> online publications existed at the time the contracts were drawn
>>> up with
>>> Hollinek and Brill, the agreed-upon rights for analogue
>>> publication (in
>>> the latter case: the international dissemination of printed copies
>>> on
>>> commission) would automatically apply to any future, different
>>> types of
>>> publication.
>>> 
>>> In the end, the Academy decided that they would not pursue the
>>> matter
>>> further as the volumes were not published by them in the first
>>> place and
>>> because it did not see much of a benefit for itself if these
>>> volumes
>>> were available on JSTOR at their cost. The task of negotiating
>>> with
>>> Hollinek and Brill would be up to JSTOR whose request had actually
>>> 
>>> started our deliberations. This was communicated to JSTOR, but I
>>> have
>>> not heard from them again.
>>> 
>>> However, almost all back-issues of the Journal are still available
>>> in
>>> perfect condition for sale by the Department; please refer to
>>> 
>> 
> https://stb.univie.ac.at/publikationsreihen/wiener-zeitschrift-fuer-die-kunde-suedasiens-wzks/bestellung/
>>> 
>>> or
>>> 
>> 
> https://stb.univie.ac.at/en/publication-series/vienna-journal-of-south-asian-studies-wzks/order/.
>>> 
>>> I would be delighted to arrange for these volumes to be sent to
>>> you or
>>> your library.
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> 
>>> With best regards,
>>> 
>>> Karin Preisendanz
>>> 
>>> Am 29.07.2023 22:27, schrieb Oliver Fallon via INDOLOGY:
>>>> Matthew Kapstein sent this enquiry about the WZKS almost two
>>> years
>>>> ago, but it does not seem to have had a reply.
>>>> I'm sure many of us would like to access early numbers of this
>>>> journal. Does anyone know if there has been any progress in
>>> making
>>>> them available?
>>>> With thanks,
>>>> Oliver
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 20:35, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY
>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>> 
>>>>> From 1991 on the WZKS is available on JSTOR.
>>>>> Is there a accessible source for scanned copies of the pre-1991
>>>>> issues?
>>>>> 
>>>>> with thanks in advance,
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matthew Kapstein
>>>>> Directeur d'études, émérite
>>>>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
>>>>> 
>>>>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>>>>> The University of Chicago
>>>>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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