[INDOLOGY] Translation of bhagavān / bhagavatī

Fri Sep 30 12:40:20 UTC 2022

Its been over 60 years since I attended Calgary Hebrew School but if I
remember correctly . Its not that you are blessing god but that you are
saying he's blessed. I think this is confirmed by this hebrew blessing and
translation  from Chabad online.

*Baruch atah A-donay, Elo-heinu Melech Ha’Olam, asher kideshanu bemitzvotav
vetzivanu al netilat yadayim.*

Blessed are You L-rd our G‑d King of the universe Who has sanctified us
with his commandments and commanded us on the washing of the hands.
Harry Spier

On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:31 AM Franco <franco at uni-leipzig.de> wrote:

> More than 40 years ago I attended a Talmudic class which discussed the
> question how a lower being like man can bless a higher being like God. I
> remember it very vaguely, and may well be mistaken, but I think that
> blessing in this context was understood to express gratitude. However, I no
> longer remember the series of steps that took us from blessing to gratitude.
> Best wishes, Eli
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 30.09.2022, at 10:12, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Dr. Haas,
>
> I should add that the English usage is no doubt based on much older
> liturgical formulas. The common Hebrew prayers, for instance, often begin:
> baruch atoi adonai elohenu melekh ha-olem
> for which the standard English rendition is "Blessed art thou o Lord, our
> God, King of the universe..." Similarly, in French
> "Béni sois-tu, Seigneur, notre Dieu, Roi de l'univers," though French
> tends to use other locutions in varying contexts, for instance, "bien-aimé
> Seigneur" where English would use "Blessed Lord."
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'études, émérite
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
>
> Associate, The Divinity School
> The University of Chicago
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> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2022 2:51 AM
> *To:* Dr. Dominik A. Haas, BA MA <dominik at haas.asia>;
> indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Translation of bhagavān / bhagavatī
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> Dear Dr. Haas,
>
> In English usage the phrase "Blessed Lord" is current in reference to the
> deity of the Western monotheisms. I believe that this usage was extended to
> Indian religions
> during the nineteenth century.
>
> sincerely,
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'études, émérite
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
>
> Associate, The Divinity School
> The University of Chicago
>
> https://brill.com/view/title/60949
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> https://ephe.academia.edu/MatthewKapstein
>
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> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dr.
> Dominik A. Haas, BA MA <dominik at haas.asia>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2022 1:18 AM
> *To:* indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Translation of bhagavān / bhagavatī
>
>
> Dear native speakers,
>
> to me “blessed” implies that someone has pronounced a blessing on a
> person/object. How does this work with a deity such as Kṛṣṇa? Or can
> “blessed” be used in a more figurative sense (is this what you have in
> mind?)?
>
> Best regards,
>
> D. Haas
>
>
>
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> Am 30.09.2022 um 01:41 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY:
>
> Tracy Coleman wrote:
> Bhagavān Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Blessed Lord Krishna
>
> Thank you Tracy for this. * "Blessed" *is exactly what I need. And of
> course thank you to everyone else who answered, Rajam, Donald Davis, Dean
> Michael Anderson, and Matthew Kapstein.
>
> "Blessed" is a little more concise than this definition of bhagavat in the
> Vishnu Purana translated by Sw. Tyagīśānanda
> "That which is imperceptible, undecaying, inconceivable, unborn,
> inexhaustible, indestructible; which has neither form, nor hands, nor
> feet, which is almighty, omnipresent, eternal; the cause of all things
> and without cause, permeating all, itself unpenetrated, and from which
> all things proceed, that is the object which the wise behold, that is
> Brahman, that is the Supreme State, that is the thing spoken of by the
> Vedas, the infinitely subtle, supreme condition of viSNu.  That Essence
> of the Supreme is defined by the term Bhagavat;  the word Bhagavat is
> the denotation of that primeval and eternal God; and he who fully
> understands the meaning of that expression is possessed of holy wisdom,
> the sum and substance of the three vedas. The word Bhagavat is a
> convenient form to be used in the adoration of that Supreme Being, to
> twhom no term is applicable; and therefore bhagavat expresses that
> Supreme Spirit which is individual, almighty, and the cause of causes of
> all things. . . .
>
> Harry Spier
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