[INDOLOGY] Translation of Ratirahasya? Richard Schmidt

Thu Jun 16 19:06:12 UTC 2022

Upadhyaya's 1965 translation of the Ratirahasya is also freely available on
Archive.org (
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.533518/page/n5/mode/2up),
with contents, body, and appendices all included.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:41 PM Ajit Gargeshwari via INDOLOGY <
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>
> Information given by Christophe Vielle is correct. Sorry To have got
>> myself confused with a wrong book
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>> Ajit Gargeshwari
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>>
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>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 8:48 PM Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Very interesting. In the uploader's description on Archiv the date of
>>> 1923 is given, and at the end of the scan the mention "Druck von Grimme,
>>> Berlin" is visible. This seems to be the English translation ascribed to
>>> Richard Schmidt (
>>> https://www.indologie.uni-halle.de/institutsgeschichte/richard_schmidt/)
>>> referred to in the following notice:
>>>
>>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/ratirahasyam-or-the-secret-of-sexual-pleasure/oclc/829456170
>>> (cf. given pages: 101 + 35 + 4 like here)
>>> unfortunately without library location (however, this ref. must
>>> correspond to some catalogue notice).
>>> I found the following reference (
>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=Jye0BQAAQBAJ p. 519) which could
>>> match therewith:
>>> "Schmidt, R. Kokkoka's Ratirahasyam. Gesch. u. Gesellsch., N. F. XII.
>>> 145 ff.'
>>> Unfortunately, the issue 12, 1924/1925, of the "Geschlecht und
>>> Gesellschaft" periodical seems unavailable:
>>> https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Geschlecht_und_Gesellschaft
>>> By the way, the printer, place and typography of the available issues of
>>> this journal (in German only) do not correspond to the scan on Archiv,
>>> unless it was an autonomous, supplemental, publication of  the Berlin
>>> "Institut für Sexualwissenschaft" which published the journal (
>>> https://magnus-hirschfeld.de/institut/personen/forscher/ ). The fact is
>>> that Schmidt published also "Das Weib im altindischen Epos" in *Geschlecht
>>> und Gesellschaft *Bd . 10, 1921  (Dresden Verlag R. A. Giesecke ), pp.
>>> 15-23, 57–64 :
>>> https://archive.org/details/geschlecht-und-gesellschaft-10.1921/page/14/mode/2up
>>> Possibly, Richard Schimdt had prepared/published a German translation
>>> before (of which there is no concrete trace, only a reference "[1903] *Das
>>> Ratirahasyam: Die indische Ars Amatoria*", Berlin", at:
>>> http://repo.komazawa-u.ac.jp/opac/repository/all/29339/rbb036-20.pdf p.
>>> [90]).
>>> His English translation was reissued in Calcutta, Medical Book Company [1949],
>>> ed. T.N. Ray, together with the translation by Yato Dharma Tato Jaya of
>>> the Tamil version of Ativīrarāma Pāṇṭiyar
>>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/secrets-of-love/oclc/1245331259
>>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/kokkokam/oclc/637342456
>>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/secrets-of-love/oclc/5587060
>>> 2nd rev. ed. of , Calcutta : S. Ghattack for Medical Book Co, 1960
>>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/kokkokam/oclc/249083479
>>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/kokkokam-rati-rahasyam/oclc/233904615
>>> It can be seen that the notes of this translation refer to two London IO
>>> mss. also dealt with by Schmidt in his work on Indian erotics (3rd ed.
>>> 1922; 1st ed. 1901, 2nd ed. 1910):
>>> https://archive.org/details/beitrgezurindi00schm/page/64/mode/2up
>>>
>>> Bw
>>> Christophe
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 16 juin 2022 à 07:05, Ajit Gargeshwari via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> a écrit :
>>>
>>> The book is  Koka Shastra: Being The Ratirahasya Of Kokkoka And Other
>>> Medieval Indian Writings On Love By Alex Comfort .
>>> The Book has 176 Pages and the one at archives  for which you have given
>>> the link has 146 pages.  I Suppose The introductory and cover pages are
>>> missing..
>>>
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>>> अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 8:58 AM Yang Qu via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear List Members,
>>>>
>>>> Greetings!
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if anyone could kindly provide me with more information about
>>>> this particular translation of *Ratirahasya* (*Kokaśāstra*)?
>>>>
>>>> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.219313/page/n3/mode/2up
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>>>>
>>>> Neither its translator nor publishing place is indicated in the
>>>> document, and it's clear that it's not the translation of either Alex
>>>> Comfort or S. C. Upadhyaya. I would really appreciate it if anyone could
>>>> kindly shed some light on this.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much!
>>>>
>>>> best wishes,
>>>> Yang Qu
>>>>
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