From rsalomon at uw.edu Fri Jul 1 20:12:44 2022 From: rsalomon at uw.edu (Richard G. Salomon) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 13:12:44 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit inscription in Egypt? Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of a Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any further information about this. Has anyone heard any more about this? Rich Salomon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rah2k at virginia.edu Fri Jul 1 21:40:03 2022 From: rah2k at virginia.edu (Hueckstedt, Robert A (rah2k)) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 21:40:03 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?b?4KSy4KWK4KSV4KS14KS/4KSt4KS+4KSXOiB0aGUg?= =?utf-8?q?mathematics_text?= Message-ID: Colleagues, A math colleague of mine here asked if I could track down this text for him, especially if it had an English translation. I've looked all over, WayBack, everywhere. No luck. And information about the text, which I found both on Wikiwand and the Hindi Wikipedia, is word-for-word the same. According to that information, the original was in Prakrit by a Digambara Jain called Sarvanandi, which is no longer available, and a Sanskrit translation of that by one Simhasuri is available. The WayBack Machine supposedly has it in the Digital Library of India, but I couldn't find it, even after installing their TIFF reader. ??, Bob Hueckstedt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And information about the text, which I found both on Wikiwand and the Hindi Wikipedia, is word-for-word the same. > > According to that information, the original was in Prakrit by a Digambara Jain called Sarvanandi, which is no longer available, and a Sanskrit translation of that by one Simhasuri is available. The WayBack Machine supposedly has it in the Digital Library of India, but I couldn't find it, even after installing their TIFF reader. > > ??, > Bob Hueckstedt > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology Elliot M. Stern 552 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 emstern1948 at gmail.com 267-240-8418 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And information about the text, which I found both on Wikiwand and the Hindi Wikipedia, is word-for-word the same. According to that information, the original was in Prakrit by a Digambara Jain called Sarvanandi, which is no longer available, and a Sanskrit translation of that by one Simhasuri is available. The WayBack Machine supposedly has it in the Digital Library of India, but I couldn't find it, even after installing their TIFF reader. ??, Bob Hueckstedt _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology Elliot M. Stern 552 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 emstern1948 at gmail.com 267-240-8418 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Jul 1 22:23:08 2022 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 15:23:08 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit inscription in Egypt? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Rich, I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" findings from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an exciting discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, dated in the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and Team Berenike!" Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of a > Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman > emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any > further information about this. Has anyone heard any more about this? > > Rich Salomon > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excavations have been carried out at Berenike from the early 1990s under Steven Sidebotham, who in 2011 published the following book: Sidebotham, Steven E., 2011. Berenike and the ancient maritime spice route. (The California World History Library 18.) Berkeley: University of California Press. xviii, 434 pp., ill. Steven E. Sidebotham is Professor of History at the University of Delaware, email ses at udel.edu Best regards, Asko > On 2. Jul 2022, at 1.23, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: > > "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" findings from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an exciting discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, dated in the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and Team Berenike!" > > Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. > > Madhav > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of a Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any further information about this. Has anyone heard any more about this? > > Rich Salomon > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From disimone at alumni.stanford.edu Sat Jul 2 07:29:50 2022 From: disimone at alumni.stanford.edu (Charles DiSimone) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 09:29:50 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit inscription in Egypt? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Rich, The talk alluded to in the Facebook post Madhav appears to be here in session 5 of the Gandharan Art in its Buddhist Context: international workshop: Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum), and Martina Stoye (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, SPK)Indian Dedications at Berenike on the Red Sea. There's a video available but I have always found the Gandh?ra Connections website to be very finicky and have not been able to get it to play on my computer but only on my phone. Hopefully you have more luck! All my best, Charlie Dr. Charles DiSimone Department of Languages and Cultures Ghent University On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Excavations have been carried out at Berenike from the early 1990s under > Steven Sidebotham, who in 2011 published the following book: > Sidebotham, Steven E., 2011. Berenike and the ancient maritime spice > route. (The California World History Library 18.) Berkeley: University of > California Press. xviii, 434 pp., ill. > Steven E. Sidebotham is Professor of History at the University of > Delaware, email ses at udel.edu > > Best regards, Asko > > > On 2. Jul 2022, at 1.23, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: > > "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" findings > from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an exciting > discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, dated in > the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory > inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist > nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and > Team Berenike!" > > Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. > > Madhav > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of a >> Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman >> emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any >> further information about this. Has anyone heard any more about this? >> >> Rich Salomon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 07:37:23 2022 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 09:37:23 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Now you can point your phone's camera at an object and the app will tell you it's name in Sanskrit! 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Video link: https://youtu.be/2q1fyoZN10Q Sincerely, Westin Harris Ph.D. Candidate Study of Religion University of California, Davis https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris 2021 Dissertation Fellow, The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Program in Buddhist Studies Sarva Mangalam. > On Jul 2, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY wrote: > ? > Dear Rich, > > The talk alluded to in the Facebook post Madhav appears to be here in session 5 of the Gandharan Art in its Buddhist Context: international workshop: Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum), and Martina Stoye (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, SPK)Indian Dedications at Berenike on the Red Sea. There's a video available but I have always found the Gandh?ra Connections website to be very finicky and have not been able to get it to play on my computer but only on my phone. Hopefully you have more luck! > > All my best, > Charlie > > Dr. Charles DiSimone > Department of Languages and Cultures > Ghent University > > >> On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY wrote: >> Excavations have been carried out at Berenike from the early 1990s under Steven Sidebotham, who in 2011 published the following book: >> Sidebotham, Steven E., 2011. Berenike and the ancient maritime spice route. (The California World History Library 18.) Berkeley: University of California Press. xviii, 434 pp., ill. >> Steven E. Sidebotham is Professor of History at the University of Delaware, email ses at udel.edu >> >> Best regards, Asko >> >> >>> On 2. Jul 2022, at 1.23, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY wrote: >>> >>> Dear Rich, >>> >>> I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: >>> >>> "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" findings from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an exciting discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, dated in the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and Team Berenike!" >>> >>> Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. >>> >>> Madhav >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India >>> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY wrote: >>>> Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of a Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any further information about this. 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URL: From kauzeya at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 11:32:26 2022 From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 13:32:26 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit inscription in Egypt? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm afraid that the "beautiful Buddha statue" requires a fair bit of interpolation to see, as the speaker himself makes quite clear. I have no evidence that this is not a buddha, and if this partial image were found in an Indian context we might well assume it to have been a buddha, but in this context it requires really a great deal of imagination to conclude that it is. More than a small amount caution is warranted, I should say. Jonathan Silk On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 12:49 PM Westin Harris via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Rich, > > Here is a link (below) to a fascinating slideshow presentation by Dr. > Sidebotham showcasing many South Asian finds at Berenike. > > From what I can tell, he does not mention the Sanskrit inscription but he > does discuss numerous other South Asian discoveries at Berenike, including > a beautiful Buddha statue at 47:00, a South Asian textile resembling an > Ajanta mural at 26:50, South Asian beads at 28:00, and more. > > Video link: https://youtu.be/2q1fyoZN10Q > > *Sincerely,* > > *Westin Harris* > Ph.D. Candidate > Study of Religion > University of California, Davis > https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris > > 2021 Dissertation Fellow, > The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Program in Buddhist Studies > > Sarva Mangalam. > > On Jul 2, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > ? > Dear Rich, > > The talk alluded to in the Facebook post Madhav appears to be here > in > session 5 of the Gandharan Art in its Buddhist Context: international > workshop: Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum), and Martina Stoye > (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, SPK)Indian Dedications at > Berenike on the Red Sea. There's a video available but I have always found > the Gandh?ra Connections website to be very finicky and have not been able > to get it to play on my computer but only on my phone. Hopefully you have > more luck! > > All my best, > Charlie > > Dr. Charles DiSimone > Department of Languages and Cultures > Ghent University > > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Excavations have been carried out at Berenike from the early 1990s under >> Steven Sidebotham, who in 2011 published the following book: >> Sidebotham, Steven E., 2011. Berenike and the ancient maritime spice >> route. (The California World History Library 18.) Berkeley: University of >> California Press. xviii, 434 pp., ill. >> Steven E. Sidebotham is Professor of History at the University of >> Delaware, email ses at udel.edu >> >> Best regards, Asko >> >> >> On 2. Jul 2022, at 1.23, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Dear Rich, >> >> I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: >> >> "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" >> findings from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an >> exciting discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, >> dated in the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory >> inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist >> nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and >> Team Berenike!" >> >> Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. >> >> Madhav >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, >> India >> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of >>> a Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman >>> emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any >>> further information about this. Has anyone heard any more about this? >>> >>> Rich Salomon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- J. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden Mailing address: Expeditie Postkamer Faculteit der Geesteswetenschappen |||C/o Jonathan Silk, LIAS |||Cleveringaplaats 1 |||2311 RD Leiden The Netherlands website: www.OpenPhilology.eu copies of my publications may be found at https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Sat Jul 2 11:59:35 2022 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 11:59:35 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit inscription in Egypt? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AF5C1D5-52ED-4C7B-85C1-4DD5E0FF7721@uclouvain.be> Thanks to Charles DiSimone for the link. I attach screenshots of the relevant 3 slides for the ones who could not watch the video. [cid:27862D90-DF5B-4D97-B3D4-0C3DFD17589F at lan][cid:F9EEA887-311A-48D1-AA40-F60093C31A84 at lan][cid:BD8FB450-49BD-4B6A-81F9-55604C76415A at lan] Le 2 juil. 2022 ? 09:29, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear Rich, The talk alluded to in the Facebook post Madhav appears to be here in session 5 of the Gandharan Art in its Buddhist Context: international workshop: Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum), and Martina Stoye (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, SPK)Indian Dedications at Berenike on the Red Sea. There's a video available but I have always found the Gandh?ra Connections website to be very finicky and have not been able to get it to play on my computer but only on my phone. Hopefully you have more luck! All my best, Charlie Dr. Charles DiSimone Department of Languages and Cultures Ghent University On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY > wrote: Excavations have been carried out at Berenike from the early 1990s under Steven Sidebotham, who in 2011 published the following book: Sidebotham, Steven E., 2011. Berenike and the ancient maritime spice route. (The California World History Library 18.) Berkeley: University of California Press. xviii, 434 pp., ill. Steven E. Sidebotham is Professor of History at the University of Delaware, email ses at udel.edu Best regards, Asko On 2. Jul 2022, at 1.23, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Rich, I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" findings from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an exciting discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, dated in the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and Team Berenike!" Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear colleagues, Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of a Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any further information about this. Has anyone heard any more about this? 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That said, in my haste I failed to mention that there is a fair bit more evidence to support the Buddha identification than what is covered in Dr. Sidebotham's earlier lecture. Dr. Shailendra covers most of this evidence in the lecture linked above. For instance, several other representations of the Buddha (a pair of Buddha heads and another headless statue) were discovered at the same site. Dr. Shailendra theorizes that they are locally-made votives commissioned by South Asian merchants. Nonetheless, "more than a small amount of caution" is always advisable under such circumstances. Thank you again for that reminder. For anyone who is interested (or who has trouble accessing the recorded lecture), I've copy-pasted the abstract of Dr. Shailendra's lecture (including brief mention of the Buddha representations) below: *Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum, Oxford), Prof Marianne Bergmann > (GAU G?ttingen) and Martina Stoye (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, > SPK)* *Indian Dedications at Berenike on the Red Sea * Berenike on the Red Sea was one of two ports through which in the Roman > Empire the seaborne trade between the Mediterranean Sea and Arabia, East > Africa and India passed. Everybody working or living there was directly or > indirectly engaged in trade or in ensuring the relevant taxes for the Roman > government. Activity was in sync with the monsoons. Excavations at Berenike > begun in 1994 are ongoing by the Universities of Delaware (S.E. > Sidebotham), Heidelberg (R. Ast), Leiden (O.E. Kaper) under the auspices of > the Polish Centre of Mediterranean Archaeology. This joint presentation > focuses on a number of figural representations and one Brahmi inscription, > connected with Gandharan culture. Most of them were found recently in the > context of the settlement?s main temple, a temple of the Egyptian goddess > Isis, where they had been dedicated as votives. Four of them are fragments > of representations of Buddha: two heads and two headless statuettes. They > were not imported, but made locally on commission, using different > materials, of different quality and by local workshops as well as by > seasonally working sculptors. Especially the statuettes are interesting, > which translate the rarer of the two main Gandharan types of the standing > Buddha, the one used on Kanishka?s gold coins, into the styles of the > ?copyists?. Most probably they were commissioned by traders from India. As > many other votives in the temple, the Buddha-votives seem to have served > the dual purpose of representing the traders to others at probably the most > public place of the settlement and of expressing thanks and prayers for a > safe journey. A terracotta warrior in Greco-Roman armour with parallels in > the region of Ter, however, is an import and represents the Satavahana > region of the Indian trade. A votive stele featuring the Indic triad of > Vasudeva-Balarama and Ek?nam?a is a very significant find. Here again, > comparisons with the occurrence of these deities from Gandhara provides a > worthwhile context. On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 5:29 PM Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Thanks to Charles DiSimone for the link. I attach screenshots of the > relevant 3 slides for the ones who could not watch the video. > > Le 2 juil. 2022 ? 09:29, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > > Dear Rich, > > The talk alluded to in the Facebook post Madhav appears to be here > in > session 5 of the Gandharan Art in its Buddhist Context: international > workshop: Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum), and Martina Stoye > (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, SPK)Indian Dedications at > Berenike on the Red Sea. There's a video available but I have always found > the Gandh?ra Connections website to be very finicky and have not been able > to get it to play on my computer but only on my phone. Hopefully you have > more luck! > > All my best, > Charlie > > Dr. Charles DiSimone > Department of Languages and Cultures > Ghent University > > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Excavations have been carried out at Berenike from the early 1990s under >> Steven Sidebotham, who in 2011 published the following book: >> Sidebotham, Steven E., 2011. Berenike and the ancient maritime spice >> route. (The California World History Library 18.) Berkeley: University of >> California Press. xviii, 434 pp., ill. >> Steven E. Sidebotham is Professor of History at the University of >> Delaware, email ses at udel.edu >> >> Best regards, Asko >> >> >> On 2. Jul 2022, at 1.23, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Dear Rich, >> >> I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: >> >> "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" >> findings from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an >> exciting discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, >> dated in the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory >> inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist >> nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and >> Team Berenike!" >> >> Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. >> >> Madhav >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, >> India >> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of >>> a Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman >>> emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any >>> further information about this. Has anyone heard any more about this? >>> >>> Rich Salomon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- *Sincerely,* *Westin Harris* Ph.D. Candidate Study of Religion University of California, Davis https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris 2021 Dissertation Fellow, The Robert H. 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I meant Dr. Bhandare, not Dr. Shailendra. Apologies again. On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 6:03 PM Westin Harris wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Indeed, Dr. Silk, your note of caution is wise and well-taken. Despite my > momentary Stendhal syndrome, I certainly could have qualified my statement > more carefully--though only the part identifying the image as the Buddha, > certainly not the "beautiful" part! That said, in my haste I failed to > mention that there is a fair bit more evidence to support the Buddha > identification than what is covered in Dr. Sidebotham's earlier lecture. > > Dr. Shailendra covers most of this evidence in the lecture linked above. > For instance, several other representations of the Buddha (a pair of Buddha > heads and another headless statue) were discovered at the same site. Dr. > Shailendra theorizes that they are locally-made votives commissioned by > South Asian merchants. > > Nonetheless, "more than a small amount of caution" is always advisable > under such circumstances. Thank you again for that reminder. > > For anyone who is interested (or who has trouble accessing the recorded > lecture), I've copy-pasted the abstract of Dr. Shailendra's lecture > (including brief mention of the Buddha representations) below: > > *Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum, Oxford), Prof Marianne Bergmann >> (GAU G?ttingen) and Martina Stoye (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, >> SPK)* > > *Indian Dedications at Berenike on the Red Sea * > > > > Berenike on the Red Sea was one of two ports through which in the Roman >> Empire the seaborne trade between the Mediterranean Sea and Arabia, East >> Africa and India passed. Everybody working or living there was directly or >> indirectly engaged in trade or in ensuring the relevant taxes for the Roman >> government. Activity was in sync with the monsoons. Excavations at Berenike >> begun in 1994 are ongoing by the Universities of Delaware (S.E. >> Sidebotham), Heidelberg (R. Ast), Leiden (O.E. Kaper) under the auspices of >> the Polish Centre of Mediterranean Archaeology. This joint presentation >> focuses on a number of figural representations and one Brahmi inscription, >> connected with Gandharan culture. Most of them were found recently in the >> context of the settlement?s main temple, a temple of the Egyptian goddess >> Isis, where they had been dedicated as votives. Four of them are fragments >> of representations of Buddha: two heads and two headless statuettes. They >> were not imported, but made locally on commission, using different >> materials, of different quality and by local workshops as well as by >> seasonally working sculptors. Especially the statuettes are interesting, >> which translate the rarer of the two main Gandharan types of the standing >> Buddha, the one used on Kanishka?s gold coins, into the styles of the >> ?copyists?. Most probably they were commissioned by traders from India. As >> many other votives in the temple, the Buddha-votives seem to have served >> the dual purpose of representing the traders to others at probably the most >> public place of the settlement and of expressing thanks and prayers for a >> safe journey. A terracotta warrior in Greco-Roman armour with parallels in >> the region of Ter, however, is an import and represents the Satavahana >> region of the Indian trade. A votive stele featuring the Indic triad of >> Vasudeva-Balarama and Ek?nam?a is a very significant find. Here again, >> comparisons with the occurrence of these deities from Gandhara provides a >> worthwhile context. > > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 5:29 PM Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Thanks to Charles DiSimone for the link. I attach screenshots of the >> relevant 3 slides for the ones who could not watch the video. >> >> Le 2 juil. 2022 ? 09:29, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : >> >> Dear Rich, >> >> The talk alluded to in the Facebook post Madhav appears to be here >> in >> session 5 of the Gandharan Art in its Buddhist Context: international >> workshop: Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum), and Martina Stoye >> (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, SPK)Indian Dedications at >> Berenike on the Red Sea. There's a video available but I have always found >> the Gandh?ra Connections website to be very finicky and have not been able >> to get it to play on my computer but only on my phone. Hopefully you have >> more luck! >> >> All my best, >> Charlie >> >> Dr. Charles DiSimone >> Department of Languages and Cultures >> Ghent University >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Excavations have been carried out at Berenike from the early 1990s under >>> Steven Sidebotham, who in 2011 published the following book: >>> Sidebotham, Steven E., 2011. Berenike and the ancient maritime spice >>> route. (The California World History Library 18.) Berkeley: University of >>> California Press. xviii, 434 pp., ill. >>> Steven E. Sidebotham is Professor of History at the University of >>> Delaware, email ses at udel.edu >>> >>> Best regards, Asko >>> >>> >>> On 2. Jul 2022, at 1.23, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Rich, >>> >>> I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: >>> >>> "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" >>> findings from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an >>> exciting discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, >>> dated in the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory >>> inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist >>> nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and >>> Team Berenike!" >>> >>> Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. >>> >>> Madhav >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, >>> India >>> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of >>>> a Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman >>>> emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any >>>> further information about this. Has anyone heard any more about this? >>>> >>>> Rich Salomon >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > > -- > *Sincerely,* > > *Westin Harris* > Ph.D. Candidate > Study of Religion > University of California, Davis > https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris > > 2021 Dissertation Fellow, > The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Program in Buddhist Studies > > Sarva Mangalam. > -- *Sincerely,* *Westin Harris* Ph.D. Candidate Study of Religion University of California, Davis https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris 2021 Dissertation Fellow, The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Program in Buddhist Studies Sarva Mangalam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sanskrit inscription in Berenike 1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 273479 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sanskrit Inscription in Berenike 2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21281 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sanskrit Inscription in Berenike 3.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 30120 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Sat Jul 2 12:55:49 2022 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 12:55:49 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit inscription in Egypt? In-Reply-To: <0AF5C1D5-52ED-4C7B-85C1-4DD5E0FF7721@uclouvain.be> References: <0AF5C1D5-52ED-4C7B-85C1-4DD5E0FF7721@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: Thanks to Rich and all who followed up on his inquiry on this fascinating find! So far as I am aware, Baveru (= Babylon) is the westernmost location clearly identified in relatively early Buddhist sources. Are there other places mentioned in them, that any on the list may know of, that would bring us closer to Egypt? It may be of interest to note that the proposed date of the new-found inscription (248-249) is not too far from that of Clement of Alexandra (d. ca. 215), whose Stromata include perhaps the earliest clear reference to the Buddha preserved in Western literature (Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2 (1885), p. 316: "Some, too, of the Indians obey the precepts of Buddha [Boutta]; whom, on account of his extraordinary sanctity, they have raised to divine honours.") I look forward to learning more from this thread. Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago https://brill.com/view/title/60949 https://ephe.academia.edu/MatthewKapstein ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 6:59 AM To: INDOLOGY Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit inscription in Egypt? Thanks to Charles DiSimone for the link. I attach screenshots of the relevant 3 slides for the ones who could not watch the video. [cid:27862D90-DF5B-4D97-B3D4-0C3DFD17589F at lan][cid:F9EEA887-311A-48D1-AA40-F60093C31A84 at lan][cid:BD8FB450-49BD-4B6A-81F9-55604C76415A at lan] Le 2 juil. 2022 ? 09:29, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear Rich, The talk alluded to in the Facebook post Madhav appears to be here in session 5 of the Gandharan Art in its Buddhist Context: international workshop: Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum), and Martina Stoye (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, SPK)Indian Dedications at Berenike on the Red Sea. There's a video available but I have always found the Gandh?ra Connections website to be very finicky and have not been able to get it to play on my computer but only on my phone. Hopefully you have more luck! All my best, Charlie Dr. Charles DiSimone Department of Languages and Cultures Ghent University On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY > wrote: Excavations have been carried out at Berenike from the early 1990s under Steven Sidebotham, who in 2011 published the following book: Sidebotham, Steven E., 2011. Berenike and the ancient maritime spice route. (The California World History Library 18.) Berkeley: University of California Press. xviii, 434 pp., ill. Steven E. Sidebotham is Professor of History at the University of Delaware, email ses at udel.edu Best regards, Asko On 2. Jul 2022, at 1.23, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Rich, I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" findings from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an exciting discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, dated in the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and Team Berenike!" Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear colleagues, Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of a Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any further information about this. Has anyone heard any more about this? 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Rich Salomon On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 12:30 AM Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Rich, > > The talk alluded to in the Facebook post Madhav appears to be here > in > session 5 of the Gandharan Art in its Buddhist Context: international > workshop: Dr Shailendra Bhandare (Ashmolean Museum), and Martina Stoye > (Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst Berlin, SMB, SPK)Indian Dedications at > Berenike on the Red Sea. There's a video available but I have always found > the Gandh?ra Connections website to be very finicky and have not been able > to get it to play on my computer but only on my phone. Hopefully you have > more luck! > > All my best, > Charlie > > Dr. Charles DiSimone > Department of Languages and Cultures > Ghent University > > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Excavations have been carried out at Berenike from the early 1990s under >> Steven Sidebotham, who in 2011 published the following book: >> Sidebotham, Steven E., 2011. Berenike and the ancient maritime spice >> route. (The California World History Library 18.) Berkeley: University of >> California Press. xviii, 434 pp., ill. >> Steven E. Sidebotham is Professor of History at the University of >> Delaware, email ses at udel.edu >> >> Best regards, Asko >> >> >> On 2. Jul 2022, at 1.23, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Dear Rich, >> >> I see a March 29 message on FaceBook by Shailen Bhandare: >> >> "The recording of our presentation on interesting "transcultural" >> findings from the excavations at Berenike is now on-line. I present an >> exciting discovery - the first ever Sanskrit inscription found in Egypt, >> dated in the reign of Roman Emperor Philip 'the Arab'! It is a dedicatory >> inscription left by a Kshatriya named Vasula, and undoubtedly of a Buddhist >> nature as indicated by its colophon. Thanks again to Steve Sidebotham and >> Team Berenike!" >> >> Shailen Bhandare will be the best source of information on this topic. >> >> Madhav >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, >> India >> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 1:13 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> Some weeks ago I saw a reference on Facebook to the recent discovery of >>> a Sanskrit inscription in Egypt, said to be dated to the reign of the Roman >>> emperor Philip "the Arab" (244-249 CE). But I haven't been able to find any >>> further information about this. 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With thanks, Tim Timothy Lubin Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Chair of the Department of Religion 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin https://ssrn.com/author=930949 https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LubinT at wlu.edu Sat Jul 2 20:23:47 2022 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 20:23:47 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?b?c2Vla2luZyBWYeG5g8WbYWJyxIFobWHhuYdhLCBC?= =?utf-8?b?dXJuZWxsIGVkLiBhbmQgRHLEgWh5xIF5YW5hxZpTLCBSZXV0ZXJzIGVkLg==?= In-Reply-To: References: <17862908-C0CD-4157-A94C-17012E8548CC@wlu.edu> Message-ID: <42F1DE23-6242-4A27-95A3-5AD02BC0C75E@wlu.edu> Thanks, Guy. That is it. I don?t have access to download from Hathi, but the Hathi page helpfully points to the same volume on Google Books, which I myself had failed to find: https://books.google.com/books?vid=Harvard:32044004802245 One down, one to go. Best, TL From: "Guy St. Amant" Date: Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:13 PM To: "Lubin, Tim" Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. Dear Professor Lubin, I think the first of these is available on Hathi trust for download. Is this the right book? I haven't had any luck looking for the second, though. Hope all is well! Guy On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 22:55, Lubin, Tim > wrote: Colleagues, If any of you have a good PDF of either or both of these two old (out-of-copyright) volumes, which inexplicably are not made available on Google books, and elude me in Archive and in DLI as well, please share, ideally by uploading to Archive: A. C. Burnell, The Va??abr?hma?a, Mangalore 1873. J. N. Reuters, The ?rautas?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary of Dhanvin, London 1904. With thanks, Tim Timothy Lubin Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Chair of the Department of Religion 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin https://ssrn.com/author=930949 https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Because devanagari printing could not be done in Finland, the book was typeset in London, and a very limited number of copies were published by Luzac & Co. in London in 1904. Best wishes, Asko > On 2. Jul 2022, at 23.23, Lubin, Tim wrote: > > Thanks, Guy. That is it. I don?t have access to download from Hathi, but the Hathi page helpfully points to the same volume on Google Books, which I myself had failed to find: > https://books.google.com/books?vid=Harvard:32044004802245 > > One down, one to go. > > Best, > TL > > > From: "Guy St. Amant" > > Date: Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:13 PM > To: "Lubin, Tim" > > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. > > Dear Professor Lubin, > > I think the first of these is available on Hathi trust for download. Is this the right book? I haven't had any luck looking for the second, though. > > Hope all is well! > Guy > > On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 22:55, Lubin, Tim > wrote: >> Colleagues, >> >> If any of you have a good PDF of either or both of these two old (out-of-copyright) volumes, which inexplicably are not made available on Google books, and elude me in Archive and in DLI as well, please share, ideally by uploading to Archive: >> >> A. C. Burnell, The Va??abr?hma?a, Mangalore 1873. >> >> J. N. Reuters, The ?rautas?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary of Dhanvin, London 1904. >> >> With thanks, >> Tim >> >> Timothy Lubin >> Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law >> Chair of the Department of Religion >> 204 Tucker Hall >> Washington and Lee University >> Lexington, Virginia 24450 >> >> https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ >> http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin >> https://ssrn.com/author=930949 >> https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it forms a /mutha?ila /[Ar. /mutta?il/, applying aspect] with the sun, [the querent travels] at the side of the king; if it has a /mutha?ila /with Saturn, [at the side] of low people, and if a /mutha?ila /with Jupiter, of good people; with Venus, of women; with Mercury, with merchants and scholars; with Mars, of his enemies, cruel lords and /tantrap?las/.' The standard dictionaries failling me, I did a simple web search, which turned up some suggestions; but the present context seems to call for something more warlike, violent and/or sinister than just 'high official' or 'secretary of council'. Thanks in advance for any thoughts, Martin Gansten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Arlo [https://books.google.com/books/content?id=iPZ3HAAACAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1] The Srauta-Sutra of Drahyayana with the Commentary of Dhanvin - J. N. Reuter - Google Books Get Textbooks on Google Play. Rent and save from the world's largest eBookstore. Read, highlight, and take notes, across web, tablet, and phone. books.google.fr ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 7:18 AM To: Lubin, Tim Cc: INDOLOGY Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. A good pdf of Burnell?s Va?sabr?hma?a can be downloaded from http://dbooks.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/books/PDFs/590111097.pdf J. N. Reuter?s The ?rauta-S?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary of Dhanvin, Part I, was supposed to appear as part 25:2 of Acta Societatis Scientiarum Fennicae, but it never did. Because devanagari printing could not be done in Finland, the book was typeset in London, and a very limited number of copies were published by Luzac & Co. in London in 1904. Best wishes, Asko On 2. Jul 2022, at 23.23, Lubin, Tim > wrote: Thanks, Guy. That is it. I don?t have access to download from Hathi, but the Hathi page helpfully points to the same volume on Google Books, which I myself had failed to find: https://books.google.com/books?vid=Harvard:32044004802245 One down, one to go. Best, TL From: "Guy St. Amant" > Date: Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:13 PM To: "Lubin, Tim" > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. Dear Professor Lubin, I think the first of these is available on Hathi trust for download. Is this the right book? I haven't had any luck looking for the second, though. Hope all is well! Guy On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 22:55, Lubin, Tim > wrote: Colleagues, If any of you have a good PDF of either or both of these two old (out-of-copyright) volumes, which inexplicably are not made available on Google books, and elude me in Archive and in DLI as well, please share, ideally by uploading to Archive: A. C. Burnell, The Va??abr?hma?a, Mangalore 1873. J. N. Reuters, The ?rautas?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary of Dhanvin, London 1904. With thanks, Tim Timothy Lubin Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Chair of the Department of Religion 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin https://ssrn.com/author=930949 https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't checked whether any or all are already findable online, but if not, I'd like to make the collection available to be scanned and added to Dominik's collection. Otherwise, I think I'll hold on to them in the hope once to return to the study of Orissa manuscripts. Best wishes, Arlo Griffiths Library of Scanned Catalogues of Sanskrit and Prakrit Manuscripts - Indology (Fast mirror at Google drive, courtesy of Martin Gluckman.). Sources. This collection of scanned manuscript catalogues is derived almost entirely from the Public or Digital Library of India.. Some come from the Archive.org and the Jain eLibrary.. A great debt of gratitude is due to all these resources for selflessly promoting scholarship. indology.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Oliver On 03/07/2022 09:56, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY wrote: > Thanks Asko. > > Tim was asking partly on my behalf, as I am cleaning up my library and > throwing out all xeroxes for books also available online, but wanting to > keep for convenient scanning any xeroxes of works not yet available online. > > I find this > > > but I cannot tell whether there actually is no underlying pdf or whether > it's just the usual restriction upon access to GoogleBooks from Europe. > > So should I try to scan my xerox and upload a pdf to Archive.org? > > Best wishes, > > Arlo > > > > > The Srauta-Sutra of Drahyayana with the Commentary of Dhanvin - J. N. > Reuter - Google Books > > Get Textbooks on Google Play. Rent and save from the world's largest > eBookstore. Read, highlight, and take notes, across web, tablet, and phone. > books.google.fr > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of Asko > Parpola via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2022 7:18 AM > *To:* Lubin, Tim > *Cc:* INDOLOGY > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and > Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. > A good pdf of Burnell?s Va?sabr?hma?a can be downloaded from > http://dbooks.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/books/PDFs/590111097.pdf > > > J. N. Reuter?s The ?rauta-S?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary of > Dhanvin, Part I, was supposed to appear as part 25:2 of Acta Societatis > Scientiarum Fennicae, but it never did. Because devanagari printing > could not be done in Finland, the book was typeset in London, and a very > limited number of copies were published by Luzac & Co. in London in 1904. > > Best wishes, Asko > >> On 2. Jul 2022, at 23.23, Lubin, Tim > > wrote: >> >> Thanks, Guy. That is it.? I don?t have access to download from Hathi, >> but the Hathi page helpfully points to the same volume on Google >> Books, which I myself had failed to find: >> https://books.google.com/books?vid=Harvard:32044004802245 >> >> One down, one to go. >> Best, >> TL >> *From:*"Guy St. Amant" > >> *Date:*Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:13 PM >> *To:*"Lubin, Tim" > >> *Subject:*Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and >> Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. >> Dear Professor Lubin, >> I think thefirst of these >> is >> available on Hathi trust for download. Is this the right book? I >> haven't had any luck looking for the second, though. >> Hope all is well! >> Guy >> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 22:55, Lubin, Tim > > wrote: >>> Colleagues, >>> If any of you have a good PDF of either or both of these two old >>> (out-of-copyright) volumes, which inexplicably are not made available >>> on Google books, and elude me in Archive and in DLI as well, please >>> share, ideally by uploading to Archive: >>> A. C. Burnell,/The Va??abr?hma?a/, Mangalore 1873. >>> J. N. Reuters,/The ?rautas?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary of >>> Dhanvin/, London 1904. >>> With thanks, >>> Tim >>> >>> Timothy Lubin >>> Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law >>> Chair of the Department of Religion >>> 204 Tucker Hall >>> Washington and Lee University >>> Lexington, Virginia 24450 >>> >>> https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ >>> >>> >>> http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin >>> >>> >>> https://ssrn.com/author=930949 >>> >>> https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From LubinT at wlu.edu Sun Jul 3 11:34:37 2022 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 11:34:37 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?b?c2Vla2luZyBWYeG5g8WbYWJyxIFobWHhuYdhLCBC?= =?utf-8?b?dXJuZWxsIGVkLiBhbmQgRHLEgWh5xIF5YW5hxZpTLCBSZXV0ZXJzIGVkLg==?= In-Reply-To: References: <17862908-C0CD-4157-A94C-17012E8548CC@wlu.edu> <42F1DE23-6242-4A27-95A3-5AD02BC0C75E@wlu.edu> <6F9E7D23-DACB-446D-9EDD-A1F219E87457@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11B335C8-0A00-4452-8663-374045D035B5@wlu.edu> There is, presumably, an underlying scan, which Google has arbitrarily chosen not to make available for viewing or download, despite its being old enough to be out of copyright. I wonder whether the decision hinges on the conditions stipulated by the library that supplied the volume for scanning. In any case, it seems increasingly common that old books on Google are restricted to showing only a ?snippet? or nothing at all. I did find this Google listing but didn?t bother to mention it because it is perfectly useless. Best, Tim From: INDOLOGY on behalf of INDOLOGY Reply-To: Arlo Griffiths Date: Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 3:57 AM To: INDOLOGY Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. Thanks Asko. Tim was asking partly on my behalf, as I am cleaning up my library and throwing out all xeroxes for books also available online, but wanting to keep for convenient scanning any xeroxes of works not yet available online. I find this > but I cannot tell whether there actually is no underlying pdf or whether it's just the usual restriction upon access to GoogleBooks from Europe. So should I try to scan my xerox and upload a pdf to Archive.org? Best wishes, Arlo [Image removed by sender.] The Srauta-Sutra of Drahyayana with the Commentary of Dhanvin - J. N. Reuter - Google Books Get Textbooks on Google Play. Rent and save from the world's largest eBookstore. Read, highlight, and take notes, across web, tablet, and phone. books.google.fr ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 7:18 AM To: Lubin, Tim Cc: INDOLOGY Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. A good pdf of Burnell?s Va?sabr?hma?a can be downloaded from http://dbooks.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/books/PDFs/590111097.pdf J. N. Reuter?s The ?rauta-S?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary of Dhanvin, Part I, was supposed to appear as part 25:2 of Acta Societatis Scientiarum Fennicae, but it never did. Because devanagari printing could not be done in Finland, the book was typeset in London, and a very limited number of copies were published by Luzac & Co. in London in 1904. Best wishes, Asko On 2. Jul 2022, at 23.23, Lubin, Tim > wrote: Thanks, Guy. That is it. I don?t have access to download from Hathi, but the Hathi page helpfully points to the same volume on Google Books, which I myself had failed to find: https://books.google.com/books?vid=Harvard:32044004802245 One down, one to go. Best, TL From: "Guy St. Amant" > Date: Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:13 PM To: "Lubin, Tim" > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. Dear Professor Lubin, I think the first of these is available on Hathi trust for download. Is this the right book? I haven't had any luck looking for the second, though. Hope all is well! Guy On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 22:55, Lubin, Tim > wrote: Colleagues, If any of you have a good PDF of either or both of these two old (out-of-copyright) volumes, which inexplicably are not made available on Google books, and elude me in Archive and in DLI as well, please share, ideally by uploading to Archive: A. C. Burnell, The Va??abr?hma?a, Mangalore 1873. J. N. Reuters, The ?rautas?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary of Dhanvin, London 1904. With thanks, Tim Timothy Lubin Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Chair of the Department of Religion 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin https://ssrn.com/author=930949 https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Sun Jul 3 12:08:30 2022 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 14:08:30 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?b?c2Vla2luZyBWYeG5g8WbYWJyxIFobWHhuYdhLCBC?= =?utf-8?b?dXJuZWxsIGVkLiBhbmQgRHLEgWh5xIF5YW5hxZpTLCBSZXV0ZXJzIGVkLg==?= In-Reply-To: <11B335C8-0A00-4452-8663-374045D035B5@wlu.edu> References: <17862908-C0CD-4157-A94C-17012E8548CC@wlu.edu> <42F1DE23-6242-4A27-95A3-5AD02BC0C75E@wlu.edu> <6F9E7D23-DACB-446D-9EDD-A1F219E87457@gmail.com> <11B335C8-0A00-4452-8663-374045D035B5@wlu.edu> Message-ID: <8d510297-5786-c4cd-b86b-0901de79df88@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Dear Tim, Dear Arlo, I have seen cases where a book is freely accessible on Archive.org, but only accessible in "snippett view" in Google books. My impression is that Google is more of a commercial venture than archive.org Best wishes -- Jean-Luc https://htl.cnrs.fr/equipe/jl-chevillard/ On 03/07/2022 13:34, Lubin, Tim wrote: > There is, presumably, an underlying scan, which Google has arbitrarily > chosen not to make available for viewing or download, despite its being > old enough to be out of copyright.? I wonder whether the decision hinges > on the conditions stipulated by the library that supplied the volume for > scanning.? In any case, it seems increasingly common that old books on > Google are restricted to showing only a ?snippet? or nothing at all.? I > did find this Google listing but didn?t bother to mention it because it > is perfectly useless. > > Best, > Tim > > *From: *INDOLOGY on behalf of > INDOLOGY > *Reply-To: *Arlo Griffiths > *Date: *Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 3:57 AM > *To: *INDOLOGY > *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and > Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. > > Thanks Asko. > > Tim was asking partly on my behalf, as I am cleaning up my library and > throwing out all xeroxes for books also available online, but wanting to > keep for convenient scanning any xeroxes of works not yet available online. > > I find this > > > but I cannot tell whether there actually is no underlying pdf or whether > it's just the usual restriction upon access to GoogleBooks from Europe. > > So should I try to scan my xerox and upload a pdf to Archive.org? > > Best wishes, > > Arlo > > Image removed by sender. > > > > > The Srauta-Sutra of Drahyayana with the Commentary of Dhanvin - J. N. > Reuter - Google Books > > > Get Textbooks on Google Play. Rent and save from the world's largest > eBookstore. Read, highlight, and take notes, across web, tablet, and phone. > > books.google.fr > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*INDOLOGY on behalf of Asko > Parpola via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2022 7:18 AM > *To:* Lubin, Tim > *Cc:* INDOLOGY > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and > Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. > > A good pdf of Burnell?s Va?sabr?hma?a can be downloaded from > > http://dbooks.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/books/PDFs/590111097.pdf > > > J. N. Reuter?s The ?rauta-S?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary of > Dhanvin, Part I, was supposed to appear as part 25:2 of Acta Societatis > Scientiarum Fennicae, but it never did. Because devanagari printing > could not be done in Finland, the book was typeset in London, and a very > limited number of copies were published by Luzac & Co. in London in 1904. > > Best wishes, Asko > > > > On 2. Jul 2022, at 23.23, Lubin, Tim > wrote: > > Thanks, Guy. That is it.? I don?t have access to download from > Hathi, but the Hathi page helpfully points to the same volume on > Google Books, which I myself had failed to find: > > https://books.google.com/books?vid=Harvard:32044004802245 > > > One down, one to go. > > Best, > TL > > *From:*"Guy St. Amant" > > *Date:*Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:13 PM > *To:*"Lubin, Tim" > > *Subject:*Re: [INDOLOGY] seeking Va??abr?hma?a, Burnell ed. and > Dr?hy?yana?S, Reuters ed. > > Dear Professor Lubin, > > I think thefirst of these > is > available on Hathi trust for download. Is this the right book? I > haven't had any luck looking for the second, though. > > Hope all is well! > > Guy > > On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 22:55, Lubin, Tim > wrote: > > Colleagues, > > If any of you have a good PDF of either or both of these two old > (out-of-copyright) volumes, which inexplicably are not made > available on Google books, and elude me in Archive and in DLI as > well, please share, ideally by uploading to Archive: > > A. C. Burnell,/The Va??abr?hma?a/, Mangalore 1873. > > J. N. Reuters,/The ?rautas?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary > of Dhanvin/, London 1904. > > With thanks, > > Tim > > Timothy Lubin > Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor > of Law > Chair of the Department of Religion > 204 Tucker Hall > Washington and Lee University > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > > https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ > > > http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin > > > https://ssrn.com/author=930949 > > https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 00:12:32 2022 From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 20:12:32 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Muktabodha digital library search function and google chrome Message-ID: Dear list members, Google chrome has recently changed its default behavior and this has affected the search function of the Muktabodha digital library (at least on my computer). When you use the search engine of the Muktabodha searchable etext collection this opens a new tab to post the results but it appears that the default behavior of google chrome now blocks this. If your google chrome is set to allow pop-ups then you don't need to make any changes. Otherwise if this occurs on your computer, do the following. In google chrome: 1) click on the three dots in the upper right hand corner. 2) click on settings 3) click on privacy and security 4) scroll down to "site settings" and click on it. 5)scroll down to "pop-ups and redirects" and click on it. 6) scroll down to "allowed to send pop-ups and redirects" and click on "ADD" 7) In "Add a site" add muktalib7.com This should fix the problem. Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am looking at these two verses from an > astrological text: > > kasya sam?pe candro ravimutha?ilage n?patip?r?ve | > ?anin? ca mutha?ile ?smin n?c?n?m ijyamutha?ile ca sat?m || > ?ukre?a ca yuvat?n?? j?ena vyavah?ripa??it?n?? ca | > bhaumena ?atr???? kr?re??n?? ca tantrap?l?n?m || > > 'In whose company is the moon? If it forms a *mutha?ila *[Ar. *mutta?il*, > applying aspect] with the sun, [the querent travels] at the side of the > king; if it has a *mutha?ila *with Saturn, [at the side] of low people, > and if a *mutha?ila *with Jupiter, of good people; with Venus, of women; > with Mercury, with merchants and scholars; with Mars, of his enemies, cruel > lords and *tantrap?las*.' > > The standard dictionaries failling me, I did a simple web search, which > turned up some suggestions; but the present context seems to call for > something more warlike, violent and/or sinister than just 'high official' > or 'secretary of council'. > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts, > > Martin Gansten > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Patricia Sauthoff, PhD Assistant Lecturer Department of History, Classics, and Religion University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada (I will respond as quickly as I can. In the meantime, here is a pdf of some of my favorite simple guided meditations.) Author: Illness and Immortality: mantra, ma??ala, and meditation in the Netra Tantra UAlberta resources Sexual assault centre: sexualassaultcentre at ualberta.ca Office of Safe Disclosure and Human Rights: osdhr at ualberta.ca The Landing: thelanding at su.ualberta.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martingansten at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 03:52:08 2022 From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 05:52:08 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Tantrap=C4=81la?= In-Reply-To: References: <0da45776-fbc0-a0ab-99c1-c673b6883286@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Patricia, that's one place I hadn't looked. The meaning 'commander of (a subdvision of) an army', particularly the infantry, was also suggested privately by Walter Slaje and is almost certainly correct. The meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) is found in most dictionaries, but Walter tells me it is very common in the R?jatara?gi??s of Kalha?a, Jonar?ja, ?r?vara and ?uka, the first of which is roughly right for the period and geographic area that I'm interested in. Thanks to all who replied to my query! Best wishes, Martin Den 2022-07-04 kl. 03:17, skrev Patricia Sauthoff: > The Indian Epigraphical Glossary > ?givestantrap?la > > as "chief of the army" and other high level positions of protector of > kings, which seems to fit your verse. > > On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 1:40 AM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > I wonder if anyone knowledgeable about (north)western India around > the 13th century might have an idea about how the epithet > tantrap?la should be understood in that context? I am looking at > these two verses from an astrological text: > > kasya sam?pe candro ravimutha?ilage n?patip?r?ve | > ?anin? ca mutha?ile ?smin n?c?n?m ijyamutha?ile ca sat?m || > ?ukre?a ca yuvat?n?? j?ena vyavah?ripa??it?n?? ca | > bhaumena ?atr???? kr?re??n?? ca tantrap?l?n?m || > > 'In whose company is the moon? If it forms a /mutha?ila /[Ar. > /mutta?il/, applying aspect] with the sun, [the querent travels] > at the side of the king; if it has a /mutha?ila /with Saturn, [at > the side] of low people, and if a /mutha?ila /with Jupiter, of > good people; with Venus, of women; with Mercury, with merchants > and scholars; with Mars, of his enemies, cruel lords and > /tantrap?las/.' > > The standard dictionaries failling me, I did a simple web search, > which turned up some suggestions; but the present context seems to > call for something more warlike, violent and/or sinister than just > 'high official' or 'secretary of council'. > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts, > > Martin Gansten > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > -- > Patricia Sauthoff, PhD > Assistant Lecturer > Department of History, Classics, and Religion > University of Alberta > Edmonton, Canada > > (I will respond as quickly as I can. In the meantime, here is a pdf > ?of some of my > favorite simple guided meditations.) > > Author: Illness and Immortality: mantra, ma??ala, and meditation in > the Netra Tantra > > > UAlberta resources > Sexual assault centre: sexualassaultcentre at ualberta.ca > Office of Safe Disclosure and Human Rights: osdhr at ualberta.ca > The Landing: thelanding at su.ualberta.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at Mon Jul 4 06:17:20 2022 From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2022 08:17:20 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Tantrap=C4=81la?= In-Reply-To: References: <0da45776-fbc0-a0ab-99c1-c673b6883286@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5bd71fd3fa7ae599fb435dc42ad6adb2@univie.ac.at> Dear Martin, is the meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) explainable on historical or etymological grounds, or is it even explained by Sanskrit commentators? Christian Am 04.07.2022 05:52, schrieb Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY: > Thank you, Patricia, that's one place I hadn't looked. The meaning > 'commander of (a subdvision of) an army', particularly the infantry, > was also suggested privately by Walter Slaje and is almost certainly > correct. The meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) is > found in most dictionaries, but Walter tells me it is very common in > the R?jatara?gi??s of Kalha?a, Jonar?ja, ?r?vara and ?uka, > the first of which is roughly right for the period and geographic area > that I'm interested in. Thanks to all who replied to my query! > > Best wishes, > Martin > > Den 2022-07-04 kl. 03:17, skrev Patricia Sauthoff: > >> The Indian Epigraphical Glossary [1] gives tantrap?la [2] as "chief >> of the army" and other high level positions of protector of kings, >> which seems to fit your verse. >> >> On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 1:40 AM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY >> wrote: >> >>> I wonder if anyone knowledgeable about (north)western India >>> around the 13th century might have an idea about how the epithet >>> tantrap?la should be understood in that context? I am looking at >>> these two verses from an astrological text: >>> >>> kasya sam?pe candro ravimutha?ilage n?patip?r?ve | >>> ?anin? ca mutha?ile ?smin n?c?n?m ijyamutha?ile ca sat?m >>> || >>> ?ukre?a ca yuvat?n?? j?ena vyavah?ripa??it?n?? ca >>> | >>> bhaumena ?atr???? kr?re??n?? ca tantrap?l?n?m >>> || >>> >>> 'In whose company is the moon? If it forms a _mutha?ila _[Ar. >>> _mutta?il_, applying aspect] with the sun, [the querent travels] >>> at the side of the king; if it has a _mutha?ila _with Saturn, [at >>> the side] of low people, and if a _mutha?ila _with Jupiter, of >>> good people; with Venus, of women; with Mercury, with merchants >>> and scholars; with Mars, of his enemies, cruel lords and >>> _tantrap?las_.' >>> >>> The standard dictionaries failling me, I did a simple web search, >>> which turned up some suggestions; but the present context seems to >>> call for something more warlike, violent and/or sinister than just >>> 'high official' or 'secretary of council'. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts, >>> >>> Martin Gansten >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> -- >> >> Patricia Sauthoff, PhD >> >> Assistant Lecturer >> Department of History, Classics, and Religion >> University of Alberta >> >> Edmonton, Canada >> >> (I will respond as quickly as I can. In the meantime, here is a pdf >> [3] of some of my favorite simple guided meditations.) >> >> Author: Illness and Immortality: mantra, ma??ala, and meditation >> in the Netra Tantra [4] >> >> UAlberta resources >> Sexual assault centre: sexualassaultcentre at ualberta.ca >> Office of Safe Disclosure and Human Rights: osdhr at ualberta.ca The >> Landing: thelanding at su.ualberta.ca > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] > https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/IEGScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php > [2] > https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/csl-apidev/servepdf.php?dict=IEG&page=337 > [3] https://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/med-guided2.pdf > [4] > https://global.oup.com/academic/product/illness-and-immortality-9780197553268?cc=us&lang=en&#:~:text=Patricia%20Sauthoff%20examines%20the%20role,to%20alleviate%20illness%20and%20death.&text=It%20asks%20how%20ritual%20alleviates,rites%20described%20within%20the%20text. > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From martingansten at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 06:46:45 2022 From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:46:45 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Tantrap=C4=81la?= In-Reply-To: <5bd71fd3fa7ae599fb435dc42ad6adb2@univie.ac.at> References: <0da45776-fbc0-a0ab-99c1-c673b6883286@gmail.com> <5bd71fd3fa7ae599fb435dc42ad6adb2@univie.ac.at> Message-ID: Dear Christian, I'm afraid I can't answer either question at the moment. The history/etymology of the term was the first thing I wondered about too, and one may speculate that the underlying idea is line of marching soldiers stretching out (tan-), but I don't know for sure. Perhaps others do? Best wishes, Martin Den 2022-07-04 kl. 08:17, skrev Christian Ferstl: > Dear Martin, > > is the meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) > explainable on historical or etymological grounds, or is it even > explained by Sanskrit commentators? > > Christian > > Am 04.07.2022 05:52, schrieb Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY: >> Thank you, Patricia, that's one place I hadn't looked. The meaning >> 'commander of (a subdvision of) an army', particularly the infantry, >> was also suggested privately by Walter Slaje and is almost certainly >> correct. The meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) is >> found in most dictionaries, but Walter tells me it is very common in >> the R?jatara?gi??s of Kalha?a, Jonar?ja, ?r?vara and ?uka, >> the first of which is roughly right for the period and geographic area >> that I'm interested in. Thanks to all who replied to my query! >> >> Best wishes, >> Martin >> >> Den 2022-07-04 kl. 03:17, skrev Patricia Sauthoff: >> >>> The Indian Epigraphical Glossary [1] gives tantrap?la [2] as "chief >>> of the army" and other high level positions of protector of kings, >>> which seems to fit your verse. >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 1:40 AM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if anyone knowledgeable about (north)western India >>>> around the 13th century might have an idea about how the epithet >>>> tantrap?la should be understood in that context? I am looking at >>>> these two verses from an astrological text: >>>> >>>> kasya sam?pe candro ravimutha?ilage n?patip?r?ve | >>>> ?anin? ca mutha?ile ?smin n?c?n?m ijyamutha?ile ca sat?m >>>> || >>>> ?ukre?a ca yuvat?n?? j?ena vyavah?ripa??it?n?? ca >>>> | >>>> bhaumena ?atr???? kr?re??n?? ca tantrap?l?n?m >>>> || >>>> >>>> 'In whose company is the moon? If it forms a _mutha?ila _[Ar. >>>> _mutta?il_, applying aspect] with the sun, [the querent travels] >>>> at the side of the king; if it has a _mutha?ila _with Saturn, [at >>>> the side] of low people, and if a _mutha?ila _with Jupiter, of >>>> good people; with Venus, of women; with Mercury, with merchants >>>> and scholars; with Mars, of his enemies, cruel lords and >>>> _tantrap?las_.' >>>> >>>> The standard dictionaries failling me, I did a simple web search, >>>> which turned up some suggestions; but the present context seems to >>>> call for something more warlike, violent and/or sinister than just >>>> 'high official' or 'secretary of council'. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts, >>>> >>>> Martin Gansten >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Patricia Sauthoff, PhD >>> >>> Assistant Lecturer >>> Department of History, Classics, and Religion >>> University of Alberta >>> >>> Edmonton, Canada >>> >>> (I will respond as quickly as I can. In the meantime, here is a pdf >>> [3] of some of my favorite simple guided meditations.) >>> >>> Author: Illness and Immortality: mantra, ma??ala, and meditation >>> in the Netra Tantra [4] >>> >>> UAlberta resources >>> Sexual assault centre: sexualassaultcentre at ualberta.ca >>> Office of Safe Disclosure and Human Rights: osdhr at ualberta.ca The >>> Landing: thelanding at su.ualberta.ca >> >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] >> https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/IEGScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php >> [2] >> https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/csl-apidev/servepdf.php?dict=IEG&page=337 >> [3] https://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/med-guided2.pdf >> [4] >> https://global.oup.com/academic/product/illness-and-immortality-9780197553268?cc=us&lang=en&#:~:text=Patricia%20Sauthoff%20examines%20the%20role,to%20alleviate%20illness%20and%20death.&text=It%20asks%20how%20ritual%20alleviates,rites%20described%20within%20the%20text. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From carmensylviaspiers at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 13:44:47 2022 From: carmensylviaspiers at gmail.com (Carmen Spiers) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 15:44:47 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf Dresden 1941 Message-ID: Hello all, mght anyone have a soft copy of: Dresden, Mark J. 1941. *M?navag?hyas?tra: A Vedic Manual of Domestic Rites. Translation, Commentary and Preface. *(PhD dissertation, Utrecht) Groningen: B.J. Wolters. It should be out of copyright but I haven't found it online. Thanks! Carmen (IFP Pondicherry) -- Carmen Sylvia Spiers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com Mon Jul 4 16:27:39 2022 From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 16:27:39 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Tantrap=C4=81la?= In-Reply-To: References: <0da45776-fbc0-a0ab-99c1-c673b6883286@gmail.com> <5bd71fd3fa7ae599fb435dc42ad6adb2@univie.ac.at> Message-ID: FYI, the Malay/Indonesian word for army (and soldier) is tentara, an evident loan from Sanskrit tantra. The Indonesian armed forces formed during the Indonesian war of independence are known as Tentara Nasional Indonesia (TNI). The word is attested already in early "Classical Malay" works such as the Sejarah Malayu, dating from around the 14th c. (Simple search at https://mcp.anu.edu.au/.) If I am not mistaken, the word is not attested in Old Malay, where the word bala tends to be used for "army". Malay Concordance Project The Malay Concordance Project, Australian National University offers a searchable corpus of over 5.8 million words of pre-modern Malay text. mcp.anu.edu.au Anyhow, the spread of the word tantra to Southeast Asia suggests that the meaning "army" must have been rather common in South Asia. Arlo Griffiths ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 6:46 AM To: Christian Ferstl Cc: Indology List Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tantrap?la Dear Christian, I'm afraid I can't answer either question at the moment. The history/etymology of the term was the first thing I wondered about too, and one may speculate that the underlying idea is line of marching soldiers stretching out (tan-), but I don't know for sure. Perhaps others do? Best wishes, Martin Den 2022-07-04 kl. 08:17, skrev Christian Ferstl: > Dear Martin, > > is the meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) > explainable on historical or etymological grounds, or is it even > explained by Sanskrit commentators? > > Christian > > Am 04.07.2022 05:52, schrieb Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY: >> Thank you, Patricia, that's one place I hadn't looked. The meaning >> 'commander of (a subdvision of) an army', particularly the infantry, >> was also suggested privately by Walter Slaje and is almost certainly >> correct. The meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) is >> found in most dictionaries, but Walter tells me it is very common in >> the R?jatara?gi??s of Kalha?a, Jonar?ja, ?r?vara and ?uka, >> the first of which is roughly right for the period and geographic area >> that I'm interested in. Thanks to all who replied to my query! >> >> Best wishes, >> Martin >> >> Den 2022-07-04 kl. 03:17, skrev Patricia Sauthoff: >> >>> The Indian Epigraphical Glossary [1] gives tantrap?la [2] as "chief >>> of the army" and other high level positions of protector of kings, >>> which seems to fit your verse. >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 1:40 AM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if anyone knowledgeable about (north)western India >>>> around the 13th century might have an idea about how the epithet >>>> tantrap?la should be understood in that context? I am looking at >>>> these two verses from an astrological text: >>>> >>>> kasya sam?pe candro ravimutha?ilage n?patip?r?ve | >>>> ?anin? ca mutha?ile ?smin n?c?n?m ijyamutha?ile ca sat?m >>>> || >>>> ?ukre?a ca yuvat?n?? j?ena vyavah?ripa??it?n?? ca >>>> | >>>> bhaumena ?atr???? kr?re??n?? ca tantrap?l?n?m >>>> || >>>> >>>> 'In whose company is the moon? If it forms a _mutha?ila _[Ar. >>>> _mutta?il_, applying aspect] with the sun, [the querent travels] >>>> at the side of the king; if it has a _mutha?ila _with Saturn, [at >>>> the side] of low people, and if a _mutha?ila _with Jupiter, of >>>> good people; with Venus, of women; with Mercury, with merchants >>>> and scholars; with Mars, of his enemies, cruel lords and >>>> _tantrap?las_.' >>>> >>>> The standard dictionaries failling me, I did a simple web search, >>>> which turned up some suggestions; but the present context seems to >>>> call for something more warlike, violent and/or sinister than just >>>> 'high official' or 'secretary of council'. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts, >>>> >>>> Martin Gansten >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Patricia Sauthoff, PhD >>> >>> Assistant Lecturer >>> Department of History, Classics, and Religion >>> University of Alberta >>> >>> Edmonton, Canada >>> >>> (I will respond as quickly as I can. In the meantime, here is a pdf >>> [3] of some of my favorite simple guided meditations.) >>> >>> Author: Illness and Immortality: mantra, ma??ala, and meditation >>> in the Netra Tantra [4] >>> >>> UAlberta resources >>> Sexual assault centre: sexualassaultcentre at ualberta.ca >>> Office of Safe Disclosure and Human Rights: osdhr at ualberta.ca The >>> Landing: thelanding at su.ualberta.ca >> >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] >> https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/IEGScan/2020/web/webtc/indexcaller.php >> [2] >> https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/csl-apidev/servepdf.php?dict=IEG&page=337 >> [3] https://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/med-guided2.pdf >> [4] >> https://global.oup.com/academic/product/illness-and-immortality-9780197553268?cc=us&lang=en&#:~:text=Patricia%20Sauthoff%20examines%20the%20role,to%20alleviate%20illness%20and%20death.&text=It%20asks%20how%20ritual%20alleviates,rites%20described%20within%20the%20text. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don?t included later lexicons since their entries are mostly derivative. *tantra? svar???ravy?p?re tantuv?ne paricchade* // 25cd // (N?n?rth?r?avasa?k?epa_Ke?avasv?min, Dvyak?arak???a?, Napu?sakali?g?dhy?ya?, , 25, 0035) *tantra? svar???racint? sy?d ?v?pas tv aricintanam* / 715 ab / (Abhidh?nacint?ma?i_Hemacandra, Martyak???a?, 715, 0030) *ka?aka? dhvajin? tantra? da??o 'n?ka? pat?kin? /* * var?thin? cam?? cakra? skandhav?ro 'sya tu sthiti?* // 746 // (Abhidh?nacint?ma?i Hemacandra, Martyak???a?, 746, 0031) *tantra? siddh?nte r???re ca paracchandapradh?nayo?* // 413ab // (Anek?rthasa?graha_Hemacandra, Dvisvarak???a?, Dvisvarar?nt??, , 413, 1) If tantra has the meaning of bind ? control ? administrate, as attested in words such as *svatantra* and *paratantra*, it stands to reason that it extends to the agent* par excellence* of control and administration i.e. the state (*r???re ca*). Similarly, the meanings ?matters concerning one?s territory? i.e. defense (*svar???racint?, svar???ravy?p?ra*), and army (*ka?aka? dhvajin?* etc.) seem to be tenable metonyms for *tantra *meaning the kingdom/state. Best regards, Naresh Keerthi Department of Sanskrit Studies Ashoka University, New Delhi ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2022 08:17:20 +0200 Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tantrap?la Dear Martin, is the meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) explainable on historical or etymological grounds, or is it even explained by Sanskrit commentators? Christian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Translation, Commentary and Preface. *(PhD dissertation, Utrecht) > Groningen: B.J. Wolters. > > It should be out of copyright but I haven't found it online. > > Thanks! Carmen (IFP Pondicherry) > > > > -- > Carmen Sylvia Spiers > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carmensylviaspiers at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 07:33:09 2022 From: carmensylviaspiers at gmail.com (Carmen Spiers) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 09:33:09 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf Dresden 1941 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, Thanks to the several people who have so promptly sent me the pdf, and to Tim Lubin for putting one on Archive. Best, Carmen Am Di., 5. Juli 2022 um 00:50 Uhr schrieb Madhav Deshpande : > Just as an aside, I studied Avestan with Professor Dresden for one > semester at the University of Pennsylvania sometime during 1968-70. The > request for his book just reminded me of those student days. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 6:45 AM Carmen Spiers via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> mght anyone have a soft copy of: >> >> Dresden, Mark J. 1941. *M?navag?hyas?tra: A Vedic Manual of Domestic >> Rites. Translation, Commentary and Preface. *(PhD dissertation, Utrecht) >> Groningen: B.J. Wolters. >> >> It should be out of copyright but I haven't found it online. >> >> Thanks! Carmen (IFP Pondicherry) >> >> >> >> -- >> Carmen Sylvia Spiers >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > -- Carmen Sylvia Spiers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carmensylviaspiers at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 07:51:07 2022 From: carmensylviaspiers at gmail.com (Carmen Spiers) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 09:51:07 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Announcing_Kim_2021=3A_new_=C5=9Aaunakasa?= =?utf-8?b?4bmBaGl0xIEgZWRpdGlvbg==?= Message-ID: Dear all, On behalf of Dr. Jeong-Soo Kim, University of W?rzburg, who is not a member of this list, I announce his new open access edition of the ?aunakasa?hit? of the Atharvaveda (all 20 books), the result of a project funded by the DFG (2018-2021). The PDF can be downloaded here: https://doi.org/10.25972/OPUS-27703 Abstract in German: F?r den Atharvaveda (AV), die nach dem Rigveda zweit?lteste vedische Sa?hit?, sind nur zwei Rezensionen, Paippal?da- (AVP) und ?aunaka-Sa?hit? (AV?), ?berliefert. Die editio princeps der AV? erschien 1856, herausgegeben von Rudolf Roth und William Dwight Whitney (1R/WH). Erst 1905, also 49 Jahre nach der Publikation von 1R/WH, wurde die Atharva-Veda Sa?hit?. Translated with a Critical and Exegetical Commentary, revised and brought nearer to completion and edited by Charles Rockwell Lanman (WH/L) gedruckt. Trotz der Bombayer Edition (SPP 1895?1898), der 2. Auflage des Berliner Textes durch Max Lindenau (2R/WH, ohne K???a 20) und der Ausgabe des Atharvaveda (?aunaka) with the Padap??ha and S?ya??c?rya?s commentary. Hoshiarpur 1960?1964 durch Vishva Bandhu war der Editionsstand der AV? fragmentiert, was eine neue Edition veranlasste. Das Teilergebnis des DFG-Projektes (2018?2021) liegt nun vor. Zur Textetablierung trugen das Handexemplar von Roth, zwei New?r?-Manuskripten und Deshpande 2002 ma?geblich bei. Ausschlaggebend f?r das Verfassen einer Neuedition der AV? war auch die Ausgabe der AVP durch Bhattacharya 1997?2016. Denn diese Textedition enth?lt viele Parallelstellen zur AV?, die die Verbesserung zahlreicher korrupter Stellen erm?glichten. Die vorliegende Edition war schon fertig, als Mitte August 2021 Professor Witzel (Harvard) dem Verfasser mitteilte, dass Whitneys Kollationsbuch an der Yale University digitalisiert zur Verf?gung stand. Wenn Mss.-Varianten in die neue Edition aufzunehmen waren, fand das Kollationsbuch im 20. K???a besondere Ber?cksichtigung, weil dieses letzte Buch bei WH/L ohne ?bersetzung und Kommentar blieb. Es lieferte auch genaue Mss.-Angaben zu den Prat?ka-Strophen. Die Aufnahme des tats?chlich in den Manuskripten belegten Textes war erforderlich, weil R/WH, SPP und Deshpande 2002 die Prat?ka-Strophen dort, wo nur Anfangsw?rter standen, in vollem Umfang drucken. Aus dem Kollaktionsbuch stammen schlie?lich die Kolophone aller K???as. -- Carmen Sylvia Spiers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are there any studies about the > depictions of striped hyenas? > > Kind regards, > P?ter Sz?ler -- Research Fellow in Pali Lexicography The Pali Text Society www.palitext.com From drdj at austin.utexas.edu Wed Jul 6 15:37:18 2022 From: drdj at austin.utexas.edu (Donald R Davis) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 15:37:18 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?New_Texts_in_the_Resource_Library_for_Dharm?= =?utf-8?b?YcWbxIFzdHJhIFN0dWRpZXM=?= Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to announce that several new electronic texts are now available in the Resource Library for Dharma??stra Studies at UT-Austin. The usual caveats about typos in these transcriptions apply. We want to share these files as soon as they are complete, but we also try continually to update any errors we find or that come to our attention. * Sarasvat?vil?sa by Prat?parudra, digest on legal procedure * P?r??ara-m?dhav?ya, commentary on the Par??ara-sm?ti * Divyatattva of Raghunandana Bha???c?rya, digest on ordeals and oaths * Haradatta?s commentary (Mit?k?ar?) on Gautama-dharmas?tra * Haradatta?s commentary (Ujjval?) on ?pastamba-dharmas?tra * Vyavah?ranir?aya of Varadar?ja, digest on legal procedure * Haradatta?s commentary (An?kul?) on ?pastamba-g?hyas?tra Best, Don Davis Dept. of Asian Studies University of Texas at Austin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Indian Mammals Sculptured Through Time", Leiden 2008, p. 427, mentions that the stripped hyena is totally absent from stone sculpture. So, I would be very interested too in any descriptions or depictions of this conspicuous scavenger. > > With best wishes > Martin > > -- > Martin Straube > Research Fellow in Pali Lexicography > The Pali Text Society > www.palitext.com > > Zitat von P?ter Sz?ler via INDOLOGY : > >> Dear List members, >> >> Can anyone point me to sources that describe hyenas (tarak?u) in detail or >> contain the word yuyukkhura/k?udravy?ghra? Are there any studies about the >> depictions of striped hyenas? >> >> Kind regards, >> P?ter Sz?ler > > > > -- > Research Fellow in Pali Lexicography > The Pali Text Society > www.palitext.com > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From szalerp at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 13:39:25 2022 From: szalerp at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UMOpdGVyIFN6w6FsZXI=?=) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 15:39:25 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] hyenas In-Reply-To: <410057CE-6AB3-4043-83BD-5A350E452E5F@gmail.com> References: <20220706170551.Horde.16jI4vLi4eD6MOGzMYZyG8E@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> <410057CE-6AB3-4043-83BD-5A350E452E5F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear All, many thanks for your useful replies. Best wishes, P?ter Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY ezt ?rta (id?pont: 2022. j?l. 6., Sze, 19:49): > I do not have at hand Stephanie Jamison?s book "The ravenous hyenas and > the wounded sun: Myth and ritual in ancient India?, Ithaca: Cornell > University Press, 1991 (xxi, 336 pp.), and though I have read the book, I > do not remember how closely the hyenas are described, but surely this is a > book to be consulted. > > Best wishes, Asko > > > On 6. Jul 2022, at 18.05, Martin Straube via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > > Dear P?ter, > > > > both words seem to be attested by Indian lexicographers only. As to > depictions: Alexandra van der Geer, "Animals in Stone. Indian Mammals > Sculptured Through Time", Leiden 2008, p. 427, mentions that the stripped > hyena is totally absent from stone sculpture. So, I would be very > interested too in any descriptions or depictions of this conspicuous > scavenger. > > > > With best wishes > > Martin > > > > -- > > Martin Straube > > Research Fellow in Pali Lexicography > > The Pali Text Society > > www.palitext.com > > > > Zitat von P?ter Sz?ler via INDOLOGY : > > > >> Dear List members, > >> > >> Can anyone point me to sources that describe hyenas (tarak?u) in detail > or > >> contain the word yuyukkhura/k?udravy?ghra? Are there any studies about > the > >> depictions of striped hyenas? > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> P?ter Sz?ler > > > > > > > > -- > > Research Fellow in Pali Lexicography > > The Pali Text Society > > www.palitext.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajam at earthlink.net Thu Jul 7 19:43:12 2022 From: rajam at earthlink.net (rajam) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 12:43:12 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] help needed from Mac Users ... Message-ID: <4B04D3A1-33B0-4242-9AB0-0D8BF90498A0@earthlink.net> Dear List Members, Please pardon me for posting this query to a broad audience. I need help. I?ve been getting alerts from McAfee Total Protection about my computer being in danger, my license with them has expired, etc. etc. I don?t know if it is for real or a marketing strategy or scam. So, I don?t respond to such alerts. Lately, for the past few days YouTube music/food-recipe channels are getting affected; they just freeze unexpectedly. Is it again a marketing game? Did you have any such experience? How do I respond to such annoyance? Please advice. Thanks and Regards, rajam From wlharris at ucdavis.edu Thu Jul 7 20:00:06 2022 From: wlharris at ucdavis.edu (Westin Harris) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 01:45:06 +0545 Subject: [INDOLOGY] help needed from Mac Users ... In-Reply-To: <4B04D3A1-33B0-4242-9AB0-0D8BF90498A0@earthlink.net> References: <4B04D3A1-33B0-4242-9AB0-0D8BF90498A0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Dear Rajam (if I may), I tried to reply off list, but I encountered a security screen. I have submitted a request to have my email address whitelisted so that we can discuss your Mac off list. (I worked for Apple for several years and received extensive training on Mac software and hardware). On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 1:28 AM rajam via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear List Members, > > Please pardon me for posting this query to a broad audience. I need help. > > I?ve been getting alerts from McAfee Total Protection about my computer > being in danger, my license with them has expired, etc. etc. I don?t know > if it is for real or a marketing strategy or scam. So, I don?t respond to > such alerts. Lately, for the past few days YouTube music/food-recipe > channels are getting affected; they just freeze unexpectedly. Is it again a > marketing game? Did you have any such experience? How do I respond to such > annoyance? Please advice. > > Thanks and Regards, > rajam > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- *Sincerely,* *Westin Harris* Ph.D. Candidate Study of Religion University of California, Davis https://religions.ucdavis.edu/people/westin-harris 2021 Dissertation Fellow, The Robert H. N. Ho Family Foundation Program in Buddhist Studies Sarva Mangalam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From racleach at googlemail.com Fri Jul 8 09:16:46 2022 From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:16:46 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Dum=C3=A9zil_book?= Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I don't suppose anyone has a pdf of G. Dum?zil's 1929 book *Le Probl?me des Centaures. ?tude de mythologie compar?e Indo-Europ?ene* that they're willing to share? 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My best wishes, Robert On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 10:36 AM Philippe Bornet wrote: > Hi there, > > The text is available here, on a great French repository of digital works: > https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3340292b.texteImage > > With kind regards, > > Ph. Bornet > > > > Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 11:16, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY < > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > > Dear colleagues, > > I don't suppose anyone has a pdf of G. Dum?zil's 1929 book > > *Le Probl?me des Centaures. ?tude de mythologie compar?e Indo-Europ?ene* > > that they're willing to share? > > Many of his books are available on archive.org, but not this one it > seems. I'd be very grateful if anyone can help. > > Many thanks! > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My best wishes, Robert On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 10:36 AM Philippe Bornet > wrote: Hi there, The text is available here, on a great French repository of digital works: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3340292b.texteImage With kind regards, Ph. Bornet Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 11:16, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear colleagues, I don't suppose anyone has a pdf of G. Dum?zil's 1929 book Le Probl?me des Centaures. ?tude de mythologie compar?e Indo-Europ?ene that they're willing to share? Many of his books are available on archive.org, but not this one it seems. I'd be very grateful if anyone can help. Many thanks! Robert _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From racleach at googlemail.com Fri Jul 8 11:46:46 2022 From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 12:46:46 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Dum=C3=A9zil_book?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Philippe, Again, thank you! I'm very grateful for your help, and reluctant to keep pestering you... Unfortunately, however, for me at least, the same applies on the cairn.info website - I can only download chapters for a fee, even when I log into my University of Zurich account to make the attempt. Not to worry, I can survive without it! Many thanks and best wishes, Robert On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 11:55 AM Philippe Bornet wrote: > Dear Robert (if I may), > > My bad, you are right! It is actually available in its entirety on this > other repository (both in html + pdf / it can be downloaded, but chapter by > chapter): > https://www.cairn.info/le-probleme-des-centaures--9782402522281.htm . > Hopefully it works this time. > > All the best, > > Philippe > > Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 12:12, Robert Leach a ?crit : > > Dear Philippe (if I may), > > Thank you very much indeed for this pointer, but I was rather hoping not > to have to pay as I don't want to read the whole book, merely to check > something, and I don't see a way of accessing this pdf here (for example, > through my library) other than by paying. But perhaps I am missing > something? > > My best wishes, > > Robert > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 10:36 AM Philippe Bornet > wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> The text is available here, on a great French repository of digital works: >> https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3340292b.texteImage >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Ph. Bornet >> >> >> >> Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 11:16, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY < >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info> a ?crit : >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I don't suppose anyone has a pdf of G. Dum?zil's 1929 book >> >> *Le Probl?me des Centaures. ?tude de mythologie compar?e Indo-Europ?ene* >> >> that they're willing to share? >> >> Many of his books are available on archive.org, but not this one it >> seems. I'd be very grateful if anyone can help. >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Robert >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is actually available in its entirety on > this other repository (both in html + pdf / it can be downloaded, > but chapter by chapter): > https://www.cairn.info/le-probleme-des-centaures--9782402522281.htm?. > Hopefully it works this time. > > All the best, > > Philippe > >> Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 12:12, Robert Leach a >> ?crit : >> >> Dear Philippe (if I may), >> >> Thank you very much indeed for this pointer, but I was rather >> hoping not to have to pay as I don't want to read the whole book, >> merely to check something, and I don't see a way of accessing >> this pdf here (for example, through my library) other than by >> paying. But perhaps I am missing something? >> >> My best wishes, >> >> Robert >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 10:36 AM Philippe Bornet >> wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> The text is available here, on a great French repository of >> digital works: >> https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3340292b.texteImage >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Ph. Bornet >> >> >> >>> Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 11:16, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY >>> a ?crit : >>> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> I don't suppose anyone has a pdf of G. Dum?zil's 1929 book >>> >>> /Le Probl?me des Centaures. ?tude de mythologie compar?e >>> Indo-Europ?ene/ >>> / >>> / >>> that they're willing to share? >>> >>> Many of his books are available on archive.org >>> , but not this one it seems. I'd be >>> very grateful if anyone can help. >>> >>> Many thanks! >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acchoda at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 13:48:39 2022 From: acchoda at gmail.com (David Smith) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 14:48:39 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Dum=C3=A9zil_book?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, Unfortunately only 15% of the pages can be consulted on Gallica. Best wishes David Smith On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 13:56, Agnes Korn wrote: > Dear all, > > I don't quite understand the problem -- the gallica site is entirely open > access. > Why is it necessary to download a file? The entire text is there for > browsing. > > Best, > Agnes > Le 08.07.2022 ? 13:46, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > > Dear Philippe, > > Again, thank you! I'm very grateful for your help, and reluctant to keep > pestering you... Unfortunately, however, for me at least, the same applies > on the cairn.info website - I can only download chapters for a fee, even > when I log into my University of Zurich account to make the attempt. > > Not to worry, I can survive without it! > > Many thanks and best wishes, > Robert > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 11:55 AM Philippe Bornet > wrote: > >> Dear Robert (if I may), >> >> My bad, you are right! It is actually available in its entirety on this >> other repository (both in html + pdf / it can be downloaded, but chapter by >> chapter): >> https://www.cairn.info/le-probleme-des-centaures--9782402522281.htm . >> Hopefully it works this time. >> >> All the best, >> >> Philippe >> >> Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 12:12, Robert Leach a ?crit : >> >> Dear Philippe (if I may), >> >> Thank you very much indeed for this pointer, but I was rather hoping not >> to have to pay as I don't want to read the whole book, merely to check >> something, and I don't see a way of accessing this pdf here (for example, >> through my library) other than by paying. But perhaps I am missing >> something? >> >> My best wishes, >> >> Robert >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 10:36 AM Philippe Bornet >> wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> The text is available here, on a great French repository of digital >>> works: >>> https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3340292b.texteImage >>> >>> With kind regards, >>> >>> Ph. Bornet >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 11:16, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY < >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info> a ?crit : >>> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> I don't suppose anyone has a pdf of G. Dum?zil's 1929 book >>> >>> *Le Probl?me des Centaures. ?tude de mythologie compar?e Indo-Europ?ene* >>> >>> that they're willing to share? >>> >>> Many of his books are available on archive.org, but not this one it >>> seems. I'd be very grateful if anyone can help. >>> >>> Many thanks! >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infohttps://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From racleach at googlemail.com Fri Jul 8 13:54:37 2022 From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 14:54:37 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Dum=C3=A9zil_book?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Agnes (if I may), Yes, several people have contacted me to say the same. Perhaps it is different where you are, but from where I am (in the UK) the gallica site is not in fact entirely open access. Accessibility to the book in question via "browsing" is limited to 32 pages, so that from p. 33 on, if one starts at the beginning, the pages are blank. Philippe Bornet very kindly sent me pdfs, downloaded from another site ( cairn.info). Many thanks to all, Robert On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 1:55 PM Agnes Korn wrote: > Dear all, > > I don't quite understand the problem -- the gallica site is entirely open > access. > Why is it necessary to download a file? The entire text is there for > browsing. > > Best, > Agnes > Le 08.07.2022 ? 13:46, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > > Dear Philippe, > > Again, thank you! I'm very grateful for your help, and reluctant to keep > pestering you... Unfortunately, however, for me at least, the same applies > on the cairn.info website - I can only download chapters for a fee, even > when I log into my University of Zurich account to make the attempt. > > Not to worry, I can survive without it! > > Many thanks and best wishes, > Robert > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 11:55 AM Philippe Bornet > wrote: > >> Dear Robert (if I may), >> >> My bad, you are right! It is actually available in its entirety on this >> other repository (both in html + pdf / it can be downloaded, but chapter by >> chapter): >> https://www.cairn.info/le-probleme-des-centaures--9782402522281.htm . >> Hopefully it works this time. >> >> All the best, >> >> Philippe >> >> Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 12:12, Robert Leach a ?crit : >> >> Dear Philippe (if I may), >> >> Thank you very much indeed for this pointer, but I was rather hoping not >> to have to pay as I don't want to read the whole book, merely to check >> something, and I don't see a way of accessing this pdf here (for example, >> through my library) other than by paying. But perhaps I am missing >> something? >> >> My best wishes, >> >> Robert >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 10:36 AM Philippe Bornet >> wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> The text is available here, on a great French repository of digital >>> works: >>> https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3340292b.texteImage >>> >>> With kind regards, >>> >>> Ph. Bornet >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 11:16, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY < >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info> a ?crit : >>> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> I don't suppose anyone has a pdf of G. Dum?zil's 1929 book >>> >>> *Le Probl?me des Centaures. ?tude de mythologie compar?e Indo-Europ?ene* >>> >>> that they're willing to share? >>> >>> Many of his books are available on archive.org, but not this one it >>> seems. I'd be very grateful if anyone can help. >>> >>> Many thanks! >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infohttps://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Accessibility to the book in > question via "browsing" is limited to 32 pages, so that from p. 33 on, > if one starts at the beginning, the pages are blank. > > Philippe Bornet very kindly sent me pdfs, downloaded from another site > (cairn.info ). > > Many thanks to all, > > Robert > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 1:55 PM Agnes Korn wrote: > > Dear all, > > I don't quite understand the problem -- the gallica site is > entirely open access. > Why is it necessary to download a file? The entire text is there > for browsing. > > Best, > Agnes > > Le 08.07.2022 ? 13:46, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY a ?crit?: >> Dear Philippe, >> >> Again, thank you! I'm very grateful for your help, and reluctant >> to keep pestering you... Unfortunately, however, for me at least, >> the same applies on the cairn.info website - >> I can only download chapters for a fee, even when I log into my >> University of Zurich account to make the attempt. >> >> Not to worry, I can survive without it! >> >> Many thanks and best wishes, >> Robert >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 11:55 AM Philippe Bornet >> wrote: >> >> Dear Robert (if I may), >> >> My bad, you are right! It is actually available in its >> entirety on this other repository (both in html + pdf / it >> can be downloaded, but chapter by chapter): >> https://www.cairn.info/le-probleme-des-centaures--9782402522281.htm?. >> Hopefully it works this time. >> >> All the best, >> >> Philippe >> >>> Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 12:12, Robert Leach >>> a ?crit : >>> >>> Dear Philippe (if I may), >>> >>> Thank you very much indeed for this pointer, but I was >>> rather hoping not to have to pay as I don't want to read the >>> whole book, merely to check something, and I don't see a way >>> of accessing this pdf here (for example, through my library) >>> other than by paying. But perhaps I am missing something? >>> >>> My best wishes, >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 10:36 AM Philippe Bornet >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> The text is available here, on a great French repository >>> of digital works: >>> https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3340292b.texteImage >>> >>> With kind regards, >>> >>> Ph. Bornet >>> >>> >>> >>>> Le 8 juil. 2022 ? 11:16, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY >>>> a ?crit : >>>> >>>> Dear colleagues, >>>> >>>> I don't suppose anyone has a pdf of G. Dum?zil's 1929 book >>>> >>>> /Le Probl?me des Centaures. ?tude de mythologie >>>> compar?e Indo-Europ?ene/ >>>> / >>>> / >>>> that they're willing to share? >>>> >>>> Many of his books are available on archive.org >>>> , but not this one it seems. I'd >>>> be very grateful if anyone can help. >>>> >>>> Many thanks! >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avenkatesan at ucdavis.edu Sat Jul 9 17:29:02 2022 From: avenkatesan at ucdavis.edu (Archana Venkatesan) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 10:29:02 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] UC Davis Jain Prizes Announcement Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, It is a pleasure to announce the winners of the inaugural UC Davis dissertation and graduate essay prizes in Jain Studies. The dissertation prize comes with a $1500.00 cash prize and a citation. The winner of the graduate essay prize receives a cash prize of $750.00 and a citation. Congratulations to both the winners. Best, Lynna Dhanani Archana Venkatesan ================ *The Mohini Jain Presidential Chair in Jain Studies Best Dissertation Prize * Winner: *Eric Gurevitch*, University of Chicago for his dissertation, "Everyday Sciences in Southwest India" *The** Mohini Jain Presidential Chair in Jain Studies Best Graduate Essay Prize * Winner: *Eric Villalobos*, for his essay, "The Benefits of Bending the Rules: the Social Functions of *Yati*s in M?rtip?jaka ?vet?mbara Jainism (c. 18th century-Present)" Eric has just completed his MA from SOAS and will embark on his PhD at Emory. -- *"When writers die they become books, which is, after all, not too bad an incarnation."* Jorge Luis Borges Archana Venkatesan ( archana.faculty.ucdavis.edu) Interim Director of the Davis Humanities Institute Project Director: The Kampan Translation Project *Professor, Religious Studies and Comparative Literature* Phone: 530-754-2821 (Office) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Mon Jul 11 09:52:22 2022 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:52:22 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Reuter=27s_partial_edition_of_Dr=C4=81hy?= =?utf-8?b?xIF5YeG5h2EtxZpyYXV0cmEtU8WrdHJhIHdpdGggRGhhbnZpbidzIGNvbW1l?= =?utf-8?q?ntary?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arlo's message makes the first part one mine, just now written, already obsolete: Discovering this thread a few days later, one can be grateful to the uploader of the discussed item, now available at: https://archive.org/details/reuter-the-srauta-sutra-of-drahyayana Is Asko Parpola's 1969 translation and study of the same somewhere available? https://books.google.com/books?id=KtBoAAAAIAAJ https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007149104 Le 11 juil. 2022 ? 11:47, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Thanks to the kind collaboration of Lubom?r Ondra?ka and Timothy Lubin, this is now available: https://archive.org/details/reuter-the-srauta-sutra-of-drahyayana [https://archive.org/services/img/reuter-the-srauta-sutra-of-drahyayana] REUTER The ?rauta-S?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a : Reuter, J. N. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive ?????????????????????? [Dr?hy?ya?a?rautas?tram] = ?rauta-S?tra of Dr?hy?ya?a with the commentary... archive.org Arlo Griffiths _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Mon Jul 11 10:24:55 2022 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 10:24:55 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Cervantes in Sanskrit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E40CCE7-06A8-466F-B127-CE78A4008CF1@uclouvain.be> From the book description in a (Dec. 2021) D.K. Agencies catalogue, it appears to be a few selections from the original. Don Quixote : chapters 1.2, 1.3, 1.8, 1.10, 1.16, 1.17, 1.18 & 1.23 = D?a?n Kviks?ot?ah? / Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra ; translated from English into Sanskrit by Jagaddhar Zadoo & Nityanand Shastri ; introduced and edited by Dragomir Dimitrov ; with a reprint of the English translation by Charles Jarvis and an audio recording of the Sanskrit text by Shrikant Bahulkar. -- Pune : Department of Pali, Savitribai Phule Pune University, 2019. cix, 291 pages : illustrations (colour) ; 23 cm. + 1 CD-ROM -- (Pune Indological series ; 111) Le 10 juil. 2022 ? 18:44, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : * https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/06/first-modern-novel-oldest-language-sanskrit-translation-of-don-quixote-rescued-from-oblivion _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology How do we know the original was not written in Sanskrit long ago and only later translated into Spanish? ;-) Best, Dean On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 01:19:30 PM GMT+5:30, Richard Mahoney via INDOLOGY > wrote: Not something I expected to find in the paper this evening, esp. after all we've been putting up with; thanks for the great news. :) ?First modern novel ? oldest language?: Sanskrit translation of Don Quixote rescued from oblivion | Miguel de Cervantes | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/06/first-modern-novel-oldest-language-sanskrit-translation-of-don-quixote-rescued-from-oblivion Best Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dimitrov at staff.uni-marburg.de Mon Jul 11 13:56:25 2022 From: dimitrov at staff.uni-marburg.de (Dragomir Dimitrov) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:56:25 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Cervantes in Sanskrit In-Reply-To: <4E40CCE7-06A8-466F-B127-CE78A4008CF1@uclouvain.be> References: , <4E40CCE7-06A8-466F-B127-CE78A4008CF1@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: <62CC2C09.8996.D67BAA4@dimitrov.staff.uni-marburg.de> Dear colleagues, as some of you may still remember, I already announced here the publication of this partial Sanskrit translation of Don Quixote more than a year ago (on April 21, 2021) and included in my book announcement all the necessary details. One can easily find the same details about the book and the accompanying (freely available) audiobook also on the website of the Pune Indological Series (http://cms.unipune.ac.in/pis). This is also the best place from where this publication can be easily procured. As for the recent official book release by the Instituto Cervantes in New Delhi, one can now learn about it not only from the Guardian but also from the DD News in Sanskrit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHeIHDEUBVQ. With best wishes, Dragomir Dimitrov ________________________________________ Dr. habil. Dragomir Dimitrov Heisenberg-Stelle (DFG) Indologie und Tibetologie Philipps-Universit?t Marburg Deutschhausstr. 12 D-35032 Marburg Germany Tel.: +49 178 9190340 E-mail: dimitrov at staff.uni-marburg.de http://www.uni-marburg.de/indologie ________________________________________ > From the book description in a (Dec. 2021) D.K. Agencies catalogue, it > appears to be a few selections from the original. > > Don Quixote : > dkagencies.com%2Fdoc%2Ffrom%2F1023%2Fto%2F1123%2FbkId%2FDKD56162763217 > 313741119869294694031371%2Fdetails.html&data=04%7C01%7Cchristophe.viel > le%40uclouvain.be%7C601a5a9929414fc95e6108d9e6c85afa%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ec > fbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637794571679915548%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d > 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C > 3000&sdata=%2FW7QixgkZX4RAvMn5kc98tWhFiZhbzqzXmDQCmODsVs%3D&reserved=0 > > chapters 1.2, 1.3, 1.8, 1.10, 1.16, 1.17, 1.18 & 1.23 = D?a?n > Kviks?ot?ah? / Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra ; translated from > English into Sanskrit by Jagaddhar Zadoo & Nityanand Shastri ; > introduced and edited by Dragomir Dimitrov ; with a reprint of the > English translation by Charles Jarvis and an audio recording of the > Sanskrit text by Shrikant Bahulkar. -- Pune : Department of Pali, > Savitribai Phule Pune University, 2019. cix, 291 pages : illustrations > (colour) ; 23 cm. + 1 CD-ROM -- (Pune Indological series ; 111) > > Le 10 juil. 2022 ? 18:44, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY > > a > ?crit : > > > * > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/06/first-modern-novel-old > est-language-sanskrit-translation-of-don-quixote-rescued-from-oblivi > on Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fbooks%2F2022%2Fjul%2F06%2Ffirst-modern-novel- > oldest-language-sanskrit-translation-of-don-quixote-rescued-from-obl > ivion&data=05%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C1e50dd669a9b > 4838119208da62938696%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C63 > 7930683005134614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjo > iV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=as74qu > n%2BKeF1aC1bo0HBLBrSlE7jCo7m3Av9o5nZG64%3D&reserved=0> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > How do we know the original was not written in Sanskrit long ago and > only later translated into Spanish? ;-) > > Best, > > Dean > > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 01:19:30 PM GMT+5:30, Richard Mahoney > via INDOLOGY > > > wrote: > > > Not something I expected to find in the paper this evening, esp. > after all we've been putting up with; thanks for the great news. :) > > ?First modern novel ? oldest language?: Sanskrit translation of > Don Quixote rescued from oblivion | Miguel de Cervantes | The Guardian > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/06/first-modern-novel-oldes > t-language-sanskrit-translation-of-don-quixote-rescued-from-oblivion ttps://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.t > heguardian.com%2Fbooks%2F2022%2Fjul%2F06%2Ffirst-modern-novel-oldest-l > anguage-sanskrit-translation-of-don-quixote-rescued-from-oblivion&data > =05%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C493dc0a1464540cdc05908da > 5f254252%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C6379269108802118 > 37%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI > 6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DAuTkwmoxTF%2BVqTmL1yg2V > FkBsIcO1Sx8GfumbPT2xg%3D&reserved=0> > > > Best Richard > > From dnreigle at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 20:11:04 2022 From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:11:04 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] A site for Indological books in German? Message-ID: The many Indological books available on the web seem to mostly be in English or Indian languages, thanks above all to the Digital Library of India and its availability via Archive.org. There is also Gallica for books in French. Is there a site for Indological books in German? I have had no luck in finding Konrad Meisig's 1988 book, Das S?tra von den vier St?nden: das Agga??a-Sutta im Licht seiner chinesischen Parallelen, nor Adelheid Mette's 1973 booklet, *Indische Kulturstiftungsberichte und ihr Verh?ltnis zur Zeitaltersage*. I would be happy to buy these books if reasonably possible. I found A. Mette's book at AbeBooks for $32.46. OK, but then shipping from Germany to U.S.A. for this 35-page booklet is $45.75! Am I missing some digital site that has Indological books in German? Thanks, David Reigle Colorado, U.S.A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2022 13:10:30 GMT+0530 To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tantrap?la I wonder if anyone knowledgeable about (north)western India around the 13th century might have an idea about how the epithet tantrap?la should be understood in that context? I am looking at these two verses from an astrological text: kasya sam?pe candro ravimutha?ilage n?patip?r?ve | ?anin? ca mutha?ile ?smin n?c?n?m ijyamutha?ile ca sat?m || ?ukre?a ca yuvat?n?? j?ena vyavah?ripa??it?n?? ca | bhaumena <ca> ?atr???? kr?re??n?? ca tantrap?l?n?m || 'In whose company is the moon? If it forms a mutha?ila [Ar. mutta?il, applying aspect] with the sun, [the querent travels] at the side of the king; if it has a mutha?ila with Saturn, [at the side] of low people, and if a mutha?ila with Jupiter, of good people; with Venus, of women; with Mercury, with merchants and scholars; with Mars, of his enemies, cruel lords and tantrap?las.' The standard dictionaries failling me, I did a simple web search, which turned up some suggestions; but the present context seems to call for something more warlike, violent and/or sinister than just 'high official' or 'secretary of council'. Thanks in advance for any thoughts, Martin Gansten _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perichandra at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 00:22:03 2022 From: perichandra at gmail.com (Periannan Chandrasekaran) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 20:22:03 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit translation of Don Quixote rescued from oblivion | The Guardian In-Reply-To: <2041705856.2554248.1657094262925@mail.yahoo.com> References: <403ee7f6712be957e97577241a61d3de0b8fbda0.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org> <2041705856.2554248.1657094262925@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, pretty soon, someone is going to ask that with a straight face, if the Karanataka Govt.'s NEP proposal is implemented: Question Pythagoras theorem and trim ?Eurocentric? concepts, observes the position paper of Karnataka?s NEP 2020 "In the position paper of Knowledge of India, the guidelines encourage students to question the Pythagoras theorem and Newton?s law of gravity. It says, ? ?encouraging an attitude of questioning and not merely accepting whatever the textbooks (or print/electronic/social media) say as infallible truth, with a clear foundation of how knowledge generation takes place and how fake news such as Pythagoras theorem, apple falling on Newton?s head etc. are created and propagated.? Regards Periannan Chandrasekaran On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 3:59 AM Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > How do we know the original was not written in Sanskrit long ago and only > later translated into Spanish? ;-) > > Best, > > Dean > > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 01:19:30 PM GMT+5:30, Richard Mahoney via > INDOLOGY wrote: > > > Not something I expected to find in the paper this evening, esp. > after all we've been putting up with; thanks for the great news. :) > > ?First modern novel ? oldest language?: Sanskrit translation of Don > Quixote rescued from oblivion | Miguel de Cervantes | The Guardian > > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/06/first-modern-novel-oldest-language-sanskrit-translation-of-don-quixote-rescued-from-oblivion > > > Best Richard > > > > -- > > T +6433121699 M +64210640216 > rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org > https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ > > Indica et Buddhica > Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ > NZBN: 9429041761809 > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They have found a number of these coral slabs > inscribed with n?gar? characters on the island of Angolhitheemu, and they > sent me this example (see attached image). > > I am not confident to speculate on what this might be, but I thought > someone on the list would surely be able to shed some light on the matter! > My contact at the hotel museum suggests that these finds may have formed > part of a tomb, but I have not received further information after asking > for more details. > > With all good wishes, > > Alastair Gornall > Singapore > > This email may contain confidential and/or proprietary information that is > exempt from disclosure under applicable law and is intended for receipt and > use solely by the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this email, or any attachment, is strictly prohibited. Please > delete the email immediately and inform the sender. Thank You > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- J. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden Mailing address: Expeditie Postkamer Faculteit der Geesteswetenschappen |||C/o Jonathan Silk, LIAS |||Cleveringaplaats 1 |||2311 RD Leiden The Netherlands website: www.OpenPhilology.eu copies of my publications may be found at https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On two specific issues raised in the message below, here are (very brief) indications : (a) Newton's theory of gravitation is interesting and useful, but not correct for very basic reasons, as we now understand after the advent of the Special and General theories of Relativity. As for the interplay between scientific theories and social conditions or ideologies, see what Aldo G. Gargani says about Newton's physics ("Le savoir sans fondements", Vrin, Paris, 2013). (b) We have no statement of a general theorem that goes back to Pythagoras. The attribution is quite late (Vitruvius, Cicero,...), and may not refer to the full theorem. Cautious historians avoid referring to an alleged "Theorem of Pythagoras" or if they must, always use quotation marks, as we did. It is best to call the theorem popularly attributed to him "theorem of the square of the hypotenuse" (or, "of the diagonal (cord)" -- the Indian formulation), or Euclid I.47. There is a similar issue with what is called "Thales' theorem" in France. There are no named theorems in Euclid. The earliest attribution extant seems to be Vitruvius' (several centuries after Pythagoras' putative time). Since the exact reference is almost never given, let alone the text, we include it. It only mentions a special case: a triangle with sides 3-4-5, and explains that the result is useful to make nice staircases): Source : https://www.thelatinlibrary.com/vitruvius/vitruvius9.html#P.1 De Architectura, Book IX, Praefatio. [6] Item Pythagoras normam sine artificis fabricationibus inventam ostendit, et quam magno labore fabri normam facientes vix ad verum perducere possunt, id rationibus et methodis emendatum ex eius praeceptis explicatur. Namque si sumantur regulae tres, e quibus una sit pedes III, altera pedes IIII, tertia pedes V, eaeque regulae inter se compositae tangant alia aliam suis cacuminibus extremis schema habentes trigoni, deformabunt normam emendatam. Ad eas autem regularum singularum longitudines si singula quadrata paribus lateribus describantur, cum erit trium latus, areae habebit pedes VIIII, quod IIII, XVI quod V erit, XXV. [7] Ita quantum areae pedum numerum duo quadrata ex tribus pedibus longitudinis laterum et quattuor efficiunt, aeque tantum numerum reddidit unum ex quinque descriptum. Id Pythagoras cum invenisset, non dubitans a Musis se in ea inventione monitum, maximas gratias agens hostias dicitur his immolavisse. Ea autem ratio, quemadmodum in multis rebus et mensuris est utilis, etiam in aedificiis scalarum aedificationibus, uti temperatas habeant graduum librationis, est expedita. (Vitruvius then explains why this is useful to make staircases). See also X.6.4 for another application of the same triangle. Best wishes, Satyanad Kichenassamy On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 20:22:03 -0400 Periannan Chandrasekaran via INDOLOGY wrote: > Well, pretty soon, someone is going to ask that with a straight face, if > the Karanataka Govt.'s NEP proposal is implemented: > > Question Pythagoras theorem and trim ?Eurocentric? concepts, observes the > position paper of Karnataka?s NEP 2020 > > > "In the position paper of Knowledge of India, the guidelines encourage > students to question the Pythagoras theorem and Newton?s law of gravity. It > says, ? ?encouraging an attitude of questioning and not merely accepting > whatever the textbooks (or print/electronic/social media) say as infallible > truth, with a clear foundation of how knowledge generation takes place and > how fake news such as Pythagoras theorem, apple > falling on Newton?s head etc. are > created and propagated.? > > Regards > Periannan Chandrasekaran > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 3:59 AM Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > How do we know the original was not written in Sanskrit long ago and only > > later translated into Spanish? ;-) > > > > Best, > > > > Dean > > > > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 01:19:30 PM GMT+5:30, Richard Mahoney via > > INDOLOGY wrote: > > > > > > Not something I expected to find in the paper this evening, esp. > > after all we've been putting up with; thanks for the great news. :) > > > > ?First modern novel ? oldest language?: Sanskrit translation of Don > > Quixote rescued from oblivion | Miguel de Cervantes | The Guardian > > > > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jul/06/first-modern-novel-oldest-language-sanskrit-translation-of-don-quixote-rescued-from-oblivion > > > > > > Best Richard > > > > > > > > -- > > > > T +6433121699 M +64210640216 > > rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org > > https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ > > > > Indica et Buddhica > > Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ > > NZBN: 9429041761809 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > -- ********************************************** Satyanad KICHENASSAMY Professor of Mathematics Laboratoire de Math?matiques de Reims (CNRS, UMR9008) Universit? de Reims Champagne-Ardenne F-51687 Reims Cedex 2 France Web: https://www.normalesup.org/~kichenassamy ********************************************** From martingansten at gmail.com Fri Jul 15 07:34:08 2022 From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 09:34:08 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Seven types of ascetics Message-ID: <0b218faa-2f7a-c1cb-ae21-104a9d55cfe9@gmail.com> In his B?hajj?taka, Var?hamihira lists seven types of ascetics corresponding to the seven planets: /??ky?j?vikabhik?uv?ddhacarak? nirgranthavany??an??/. A few centuries later, the commentator Bha??otpala elaborates slightly on these, citing the authorities Va?k?lak?c?rya (writing in Prakrit) and Saty?c?rya. These passages are discussed in Basham's /History and Doctrines of the ?j?vikas/ (p. 168 ff., giving the Prakrit author's name as K?lak?c?rya). I am wondering if any further research on these ascetic categories has been published after Basham's book, which is now more than 70 years old. In particular, I am curious about the categories v?ddha (identified by Bha??otpala as K?p?likas) and caraka (which he says are cakradharas). All suggestions are welcome. Best wishes, Martin Gansten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These passages are > discussed in Basham's /History and Doctrines of the ?j?vikas/ (p. 168 > ff., giving the Prakrit author's name as K?lak?c?rya). I am wondering > if any further research on these ascetic categories has been published > after Basham's book, which is now more than 70 years old. In > particular, I am curious about the categories v?ddha (identified by > Bha??otpala as K?p?likas) and caraka (which he says are cakradharas). > All suggestions are welcome. > > Best wishes, > Martin Gansten > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -- Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here?s a link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdzkj63hgcbvmu7/Rig%20Veda%20Bhashya%20of%20Madhvacharya%20tika%20of%20Jaytirtha%20%28Pothi%29.pdf?dl=0 Best wishes, Jonathan Peterson Department of Religious Studies Center for South Asia Stanford University On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:00 AM, indology-request at list.indology.info wrote: ?Send INDOLOGY mailing list submissions to indology at list.indology.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to indology-request at list.indology.info You can reach the person managing the list at indology-owner at list.indology.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of INDOLOGY digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Critical sense and the history of science (Satyanad Kichenassamy) 2. Seven types of ascetics (Martin Gansten) 3. Re: Seven types of ascetics (Rolf Heinrich Koch) 4. 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(? - ??.) ????????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??????? - ???????????? ???????????, ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????????; ?????? ????? ??????? ?????????? - ???? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???; ???????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? - ???? ???????? ???? ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????; ????? ????? ??????? ????????? ????????? - ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????. ????????? ?????? ????????????? ?????????; ??? ????????? - ????? ??????????. (?? - ??.) ????? - ?????; ????. ??????? ??? ???? - ???????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ????, ????????? - ???????. ??? - ?????, ?????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????????. ???? ?????? - ??????????????????. ??????? : ??????. ??????? ????????. The questions I have are (1) Is matimmaka? with an -m- after mati- in the original text? If so, did UVS miss it in his publication? Is that extra -m- introduced due to metrical considerations? If so, does the -m in pu??uvam also belong in the same category meaning the semantically relevant underlying text in the original is only pu??uvamatimaka? and not pu??uvam matimaka? as given by UVS? Thank you for your comments. Regards, Palaniappan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here?s a link: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdzkj63hgcbvmu7/Rig%20Veda%20Bhashya%20of%20Madhvacharya%20tika%20of%20Jaytirtha%20%28Pothi%29.pdf?dl=0 > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan Peterson > Department of Religious Studies > Center for South Asia > Stanford University > > > On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:00 AM, indology-request at list.indology.info wrote: > > ?Send INDOLOGY mailing list submissions to > indology at list.indology.info > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > indology-request at list.indology.info > > You can reach the person managing the list at > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of INDOLOGY digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Critical sense and the history of science (Satyanad Kichenassamy) > 2. Seven types of ascetics (Martin Gansten) > 3. Re: Seven types of ascetics (Rolf Heinrich Koch) > 4. Pdf of ?gbh??ya??k? (Elisa Ganser) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Sat Jul 16 00:26:14 2022 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 02:26:14 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Civakacintamani 2039 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear SP, the impression is indeed that the underlying attempted rythm is something like GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG (with 15 elements per line) (and a few places where the words are made to fit the pattern) Best wishes -- Jean-Luc On 15/07/2022 19:22, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY wrote: > Dear scholars, > > I have a question on the critical text of verse 2039 in the > C?vakacint?ma?i. > > The following is the reading given by UVS. See attachment. > > ???????????????????????????????? > > ??????????????????????????????????? > > ????????????????????????????????????? > > ????????????????????????????????????????? > > The following is the reading given in by Aracu and Peruma?aippulavar as > found in the Tamil virtual Academy website > (https://www.tamilvu.org/node/154572?linkid=135162 > ) and their commentary. > > ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???????? ?????? > > ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? > > ?????? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ????????? > > ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? > > *(? - ??.)*????????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??????? - ???????????? ???????????, > ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????????; ?????? ????? ??????? ?????????? - ???? > ????? ?????????? ??????? ???; ???????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? - ???? ???????? > ???? ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????; ????? ????? ??????? ????????? ????????? - > ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????. ????????? ?????? ????????????? ?????????; ??? > ????????? - ????? ??????????. > > *(?? - ??.)*????? - ?????; ????. ??????? ??? ????- ???????? ??????? ?????????? > ???? ????, ????????? - ???????. ??? - ?????, ?????????? ?????? ????? ???????? > ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????????.** > > ???? ?????? - ??????????????????. ??????? : ??????. ??????? ????????. > > The questions I have are (1) Is matimmaka? with an -m- after mati- in > the original text? If so, did UVS miss it in his publication? Is that > extra -m- introduced due to metrical considerations? If so, does the > -min pu??uvamalso belong in the same category meaning the semantically > relevant underlying text in the original is only pu??uvamatimaka? and > not pu??uvam matimaka? as given by UVS? > > Thank you for your comments. > > Regards, > > Palaniappan > > ** > > ** > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Sat Jul 16 00:33:22 2022 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 02:33:22 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Civakacintamani 2039 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: P.S. Of course, maybe I should have written the pattern as ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? -- Jean-Luc On 16/07/2022 02:26, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote: > Dear SP, > > the impression is indeed that the underlying attempted rythm is > something like > > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > > (with 15 elements per line) > (and a few places where the words are made to fit the pattern) > > Best wishes > > -- Jean-Luc > > > On 15/07/2022 19:22, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY wrote: >> Dear scholars, >> >> I have a question on the critical text of verse 2039 in the >> C?vakacint?ma?i. >> >> The following is the reading given by UVS. See attachment. >> >> ???????????????????????????????? >> >> ??????????????????????????????????? >> >> ????????????????????????????????????? >> >> ????????????????????????????????????????? >> >> The following is the reading given in by Aracu and Peruma?aippulavar >> as found in the Tamil virtual Academy website >> (https://www.tamilvu.org/node/154572?linkid=135162 >> ) and their >> commentary. >> >> ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???????? ?????? >> >> ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? >> >> ?????? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ????????? >> >> ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? >> >> *(? - ??.)*????????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??????? - ???????????? >> ???????????, ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????????; ?????? ????? ??????? >> ?????????? - ???? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???; ???????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? >> - ???? ???????? ???? ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????; ????? ????? ??????? >> ????????? ????????? - ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????. ????????? ?????? >> ????????????? ?????????; ??? ????????? - ????? ??????????. >> >> *(?? - ??.)*????? - ?????; ????. ??????? ??? ????- ???????? ??????? ?????????? >> ???? ????, ????????? - ???????. ??? - ?????, ?????????? ?????? ????? ???????? >> ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????????.** >> >> ???? ?????? - ??????????????????. ??????? : ??????. ??????? ????????. >> >> The questions I have are (1) Is matimmaka? with an -m- after mati- in >> the original text? If so, did UVS miss it in his publication? Is that >> extra -m- introduced due to metrical considerations? If so, does the >> -min pu??uvamalso belong in the same category meaning the semantically >> relevant underlying text in the original is only pu??uvamatimaka? and >> not pu??uvam matimaka? as given by UVS? >> >> Thank you for your comments. >> >> Regards, >> >> Palaniappan >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From perichandra at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 17:33:17 2022 From: perichandra at gmail.com (Periannan Chandrasekaran) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 13:33:17 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Civakacintamani 2039 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: - Please find attached the image of the poem from the 1907 UVS 2nd edition published by the Tamil University, Tanjavur: 1986 - It is printed with the seven metrical feet of each line separated by spaces and is reproduced below. - It shows the extra -m- forced by prosody between puLLuva and mati as the foot vamma (???? ). ???? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????? *????* ??? ????? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? - Actually, the next foot ??? is defective as printed since it is invalid as a candidate for a complete foot since it has only one acai (prosodic syllable) instead of the required two. - So it ought to have been *????? or **???* - The option *??? *would most likely have been preferred, as it matches ??? the third foot of the next line. - The option *????? *would match ???? and ?????? in the preceding two lines with the nasal stops uniformly supplying the punctuation to all of them. - But it appears as though the poem has been composed for the first choice, with the first and second pair of lines having their own matching sound effects: - ???? and ?????? - *??? *and ??? So with that correction we have this ???? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? *????? *????? ?????? ???? ????????? or ?????? ???? *???* ????? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? Regards Periannan Chandrasekaran ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Jean-Luc Chevillard Date: Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Civakacintamani 2039 To: Indology List P.S. Of course, maybe I should have written the pattern as ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? -- Jean-Luc On 16/07/2022 02:26, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote: > Dear SP, > > the impression is indeed that the underlying attempted rythm is > something like > > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > > (with 15 elements per line) > (and a few places where the words are made to fit the pattern) > > Best wishes > > -- Jean-Luc > > > On 15/07/2022 19:22, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY wrote: >> Dear scholars, >> >> I have a question on the critical text of verse 2039 in the >> C?vakacint?ma?i. >> >> The following is the reading given by UVS. See attachment. >> >> ???????????????????????????????? >> >> ??????????????????????????????????? >> >> ????????????????????????????????????? >> >> ????????????????????????????????????????? >> >> The following is the reading given in by Aracu and Peruma?aippulavar >> as found in the Tamil virtual Academy website >> (https://www.tamilvu.org/node/154572?linkid=135162 >> ) and their >> commentary. >> >> ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???????? ?????? >> >> ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? >> >> ?????? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ????????? >> >> ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? >> >> *(? - ??.)*????????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??????? - ???????????? >> ???????????, ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????????; ?????? ????? ??????? >> ?????????? - ???? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???; ???????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? >> - ???? ???????? ???? ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????; ????? ????? ??????? >> ????????? ????????? - ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????. ????????? ?????? >> ????????????? ?????????; ??? ????????? - ????? ??????????. >> >> *(?? - ??.)*????? - ?????; ????. ??????? ??? ????- ???????? ??????? ?????????? >> ???? ????, ????????? - ???????. ??? - ?????, ?????????? ?????? ????? ???????? >> ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????????.** >> >> ???? ?????? - ??????????????????. ??????? : ??????. ??????? ????????. >> >> The questions I have are (1) Is matimmaka? with an -m- after mati- in >> the original text? If so, did UVS miss it in his publication? Is that >> extra -m- introduced due to metrical considerations? If so, does the >> -min pu??uvamalso belong in the same category meaning the semantically >> relevant underlying text in the original is only pu??uvamatimaka? and >> not pu??uvam matimaka? as given by UVS? >> >> Thank you for your comments. >> >> Regards, >> >> Palaniappan >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have appreciated being able to keep abreast of the work of many colleagues, and to disseminate my own work to others, including many who would not otherwise have access to it because of the cost of academic publishing. But in recent years, many people have pointed out how for-profit platforms can undermine the values and interests of scholars through features aimed at maximizing corporate income. A few years ago, a scholar whom I know and respect, Sarah Bond, issued a call (in for-profit Forbes.com!) for scholars to cancel their Academia.edu accounts and to shift such activities to non-profit venues such as Humanities Commons (https://hcommons.org/) and Zenodo (https://zenodo.org/), as well as on university repositories. She was echoed by many others. In response, I proceeded to make an account and set up my profile on Humanities Commons (Zenodo was still 99% hard sciences), but I abstained from immediately dropping my Academia.edu account, since it continued to serve my needs without irritating me too much, and I wanted to see how the non-profit option worked out. That was five years ago. During that time, the number of Indologists and other South Asianists using Academia.edu has only grown, while Humanities Commons remains a very lonely place, with only a tiny handful of participants in our field. The site still seems very promising to me. It is free and provides a similar platform for uploading research for easy accessibility ? actually, with much better bibliographic data recording and searchability. But no one seems interested in using it. More and more scholarship, especially in Europe, is appearing in open-access forms, but much does not. I continue, once a year, to check back to see what is happening there. I still hope it will prosper, but only if many of you give it a try. So I urge you to do so. Best wishes, Tim Timothy Lubin Jessie Ball duPont Professor of Religion, and Adjunct Professor of Law Head of the Law, Justice, and Society Program 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ https://hcommons.org/members/lubin/ http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin https://ssrn.com/author=930949 https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.ram-prasad at lancaster.ac.uk Sun Jul 17 11:16:43 2022 From: c.ram-prasad at lancaster.ac.uk (Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:16:43 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] 'conscience' Message-ID: A colleague who is not on this list asks whether there is any literature on ?the concept of conscience or its analogues in pre-modern Indian literature?. 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A colleague who is not on this list asks whether there is any literature on ?the concept of conscience or its analogues in pre-modern Indian literature?. Thank you, Ram Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad Fellow of the British Academy Distinguished Professor of Comparative Philosophy and Religion Department of Politics, Philosophy and Religion Lancaster University U.K. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology This message is from an external sender. Learn more about why this << matters at https://links.utexas.edu/rtyclf. << -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not sure that there are dedicated studies on just this topic, but any good work on the abhidhamma/abhidharma will deal with this at some point. best, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago https://brill.com/view/title/60949 https://ephe.academia.edu/MatthewKapstein ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Donald R Davis via INDOLOGY Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:35 PM To: Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi Cc: Indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] 'conscience' Dear Ram-Prasad, I wrote the attached piece entitled ?Conscience is Tradition: Classical Hindu Law and the Ethics of Conservatism? for a recent edited volume on rules and ethics. My JAOS article ?On Atmatusti as a Source of Dharma? also addresses the idea of conscience. Hope these are useful. Best, Don Don Davis Dept. of Asian Studies University of Texas at Austin On Jul 17, 2022, at 6:16 AM, Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi wrote: ? A colleague who is not on this list asks whether there is any literature on ?the concept of conscience or its analogues in pre-modern Indian literature?. Thank you, Ram Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad Fellow of the British Academy Distinguished Professor of Comparative Philosophy and Religion Department of Politics, Philosophy and Religion Lancaster University U.K. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology This message is from an external sender. Learn more about why this << matters at https://links.utexas.edu/rtyclf. << -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They're of > interest in particular because of the explicit distinction between > self-regarding and other-regarding moral attitudes made in this context. > I'm not sure that there are dedicated studies on just this topic, but any > good work on the abhidhamma/abhidharma will deal with this at some point. > > best, > Matthew > > Matthew Kapstein > Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris > > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, > The University of Chicago > > https://brill.com/view/title/60949 > > https://ephe.academia.edu/MatthewKapstein > > ------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of > Donald R Davis via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:35 PM > *To:* Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi > *Cc:* Indology > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] 'conscience' > > Dear Ram-Prasad, > > I wrote the attached piece entitled ?Conscience is Tradition: Classical > Hindu Law and the Ethics of Conservatism? for a recent edited volume on > rules and ethics. My JAOS article ?On Atmatusti as a Source of Dharma? also > addresses the idea of conscience. Hope these are useful. > > Best, Don > > Don Davis > Dept. of Asian Studies > University of Texas at Austin > > > > On Jul 17, 2022, at 6:16 AM, Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi < > c.ram-prasad at lancaster.ac.uk> wrote: > > ? > > A colleague who is not on this list asks whether there is any literature > on ?the concept of conscience or its analogues in pre-modern Indian > literature?. > > Thank you, > > Ram > > > > Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad > > Fellow of the British Academy > > Distinguished Professor of Comparative Philosophy and Religion > > Department of Politics, Philosophy and Religion > > Lancaster University > > U.K. > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > This message is from an external sender. 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Andrew ----------------------------------------- *Description* The Committee on Southern Asian Studies (COSAS) at the University of Chicago invites applications for a two-year COSAS Fellowship in Critical Caste Studies (appointed at the rank of term-limited Instructor), to begin as early as July 1, 2023. This position is designed for early-career scholars whose educational backgrounds have afforded them limited opportunities with highly-selective research institutions in the United States and Europe. The successful candidate will be expected to conduct research in their areas of interest; teach one course a year on topics of their choosing at either the undergraduate or graduate level; and participate in the intellectual life of the wider University. In addition to salary and benefits, funds will be made available to the Fellow for pursuing their own research, for conference travel, and for planning conferences or other Fellowship-related events/programming. *Qualifications*We seek a scholar working within the emergent paradigm of critical studies of caste, inequality, and exclusion; we are particularly interested in scholars working on projects focused on issues in Dalit studies, Adivasi studies, and intersectional approaches between caste and race, class, gender/sexuality, and (minoritarian) religion. Applicants may come from any disciplinary background in the humanities or social sciences. *Application Instructions*Applicants are required to apply online at the University of Chicago?s Interfolio site: apply.interfolio.com/109813. Applicants should have received their PhD within 6 years of their appointment. Applications should include: (1) a current curriculum vitae, including the names and contact information of at least three referees; (2) a cover letter (2 pages) that describes your research and teaching profile, as well as your plans for the fellowship period; the cover letter should also briefly explain how the candidate's life experience, pedagogy, and/or research speaks to the representation of historically underrepresented minorities in the academy in the United States, Europe, and Southern Asia; (3) a research statement addressing current and future plans for research (2?3 pages); (4) a teaching statement addressing teaching experience and philosophy (1-page); (5) a writing sample from the candidates? research of no more than 25 pages. All materials should be in English. Review of applicants will begin by October 15; applications will be reviewed until the position is filled or the search has closed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 4:46 PM Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi < c.ram-prasad at lancaster.ac.uk> wrote: > A colleague who is not on this list asks whether there is any literature > on ?the concept of conscience or its analogues in pre-modern Indian > literature?. > > Thank you, > > Ram > > > > Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad > > Fellow of the British Academy > > Distinguished Professor of Comparative Philosophy and Religion > > Department of Politics, Philosophy and Religion > > Lancaster University > > U.K. > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Senior Director, IndicA BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru BoS Rashtram School of Public Leadership Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Studies in Public Leadership Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aparpola at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 07:03:52 2022 From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:03:52 +0300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] 'conscience' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The following study may be useful: Bisgaard, Daniel James, 1994. Social conscience in Sanskrit literature. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass. xxix, 141 pp. Best wishes, Asko Parpola > On 18. Jul 2022, at 7.56, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Quotes like ???? ?? ??????????? ??????? ?????????????????????????? indicate words like ???????? and ?????????????????? as words close in meaning to conscience in classical works. > > In most contemporary Indian languages, Sanskrit borrowings like ???????? , ????????(???) is used in this sense. > > In Tamil, the word manassaaklshin is found used, which can be guessed to have some Sanskrit source. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu Mon Jul 18 09:02:10 2022 From: Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu (Lyne Bansat-Boudon) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 09:02:10 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] A bit of southern India in Quebec In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Harry, All thanks for such interesting pictures! Vasudhaiva kutumbakam. Best wishes Lyne [cid:8E90FAFD-609F-4D7A-9393-D17E94D59596 at home] Le 17 juil. 2022 ? 22:06, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear list members, Attached is a wetransfer link to pictures of a Kavadi procession sponsored by a Subrahmanya-Ayyappa temple in the village I live in Quebec. Except for the U-Haul trucks you'd thing you were in southern India.Note these pictures show people doing austerities related to the Kavadi celebration.. https://we.tl/t-0I27JwdjIF Harry Spier _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, Prakrit 2 is only available to those who have already studied Prakrit (with me at ILARA or elsewhere) or have at least a good knowledge of Sanskrit and want to endeavour to read Prakrit using Sanskrit translations as little as possible. During these courses, Prakrit literary languages, such as Maharashtri, Shauraseni and Magadhi, and non-religious literary texts in these dialects, are covered. The courses are taught in a hybrid mode, in class and at the same time online (Teams), according to the Paris time zone (UTC/GMT +2 hours), and in *French*. You will find all the necessary information at the following links: Prakrit 1: https://ilara.hypotheses.org/formations/cours-de-lilara/asie-du-sud/le-prakrit Prakrit 2: https://ilara.hypotheses.org/formations/cours-de-lilara/asie-du-sud/prakrit-2 For further information, please contact ilara at ephe.psl.eu Best regards Melinda Fodor, PhD ILARA-EPHE, Paris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass. xxix, 141 pp. Best wishes, Asko Parpola On 18. Jul 2022, at 7.56, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY > wrote: Quotes like ???? ?? ??????????? ??????? ?????????????????????????? indicate words like ???????? and ?????????????????? as words close in meaning to conscience in classical works. In most contemporary Indian languages, Sanskrit borrowings like ???????? , ????????(???) is used in this sense. In Tamil, the word manassaaklshin is found used, which can be guessed to have some Sanskrit source. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Martin Gansten Den 2022-07-15 kl. 11:00, skrev Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY: > > Dear Martin, > > in Sri Lanka they call today Vi??uites as cakradhara > > better try this one: Barua, Maskar? as an Epithet of Gos?la, IHQ Vol > III No 2 June 1927: 235-261. > > Best > > Heiner > > Am 15.07.2022 um 09:34 schrieb Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY: >> In his B?hajj?taka, Var?hamihira lists seven types of ascetics >> corresponding to the seven planets: /??ky?j?vikabhik?uv?ddhacarak? >> nirgranthavany??an??/. A few centuries later, the commentator >> Bha??otpala elaborates slightly on these, citing the authorities >> Va?k?lak?c?rya (writing in Prakrit) and Saty?c?rya. These passages >> are discussed in Basham's /History and Doctrines of the ?j?vikas/ (p. >> 168 ff., giving the Prakrit author's name as K?lak?c?rya). I am >> wondering if any further research on these ascetic categories has >> been published after Basham's book, which is now more than 70 years >> old. 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However, when shorn of the m inserted by prosodic requirement, one sees that the underlying text is pu??uvamatimaka?. Then, we realize that ?pu??uva? is simply the adjectival form of pu??uvar, the name of a bird-catcher community who are also mentioned in C?vakacint?ma?i 2931. ????????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ????????? ???????? ???????? Tirukku?a? 274 is critical of birdcatching. But in Civakacint?mani 2039, I see no such value-laden statement as the commentators make out to be. The verse has a simple a matter-of-fact description of a very knowledgeable male of the Pu??uvar community making noises to attract peacocks (in order to catch them). Thanks again for all the comments. Regards, Palaniappa From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Indology List Reply-To: Periannan Chandrasekaran Date: Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 12:33 PM To: Jean-Luc Chevillard Cc: Indology List Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Civakacintamani 2039 Please find attached the image of the poem from the 1907 UVS 2nd edition published by the Tamil University, Tanjavur: 1986 It is printed with the seven metrical feet of each line separated by spaces and is reproduced below. It shows the extra -m- forced by prosody between puLLuva and mati as the foot vamma (???? ). ???? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? Actually, the next foot ??? is defective as printed since it is invalid as a candidate for a complete foot since it has only one acai (prosodic syllable) instead of the required two. So it ought to have been ????? or ??? The option ??? would most likely have been preferred, as it matches ??? the third foot of the next line. The option ????? would match ???? and ?????? in the preceding two lines with the nasal stops uniformly supplying the punctuation to all of them. But it appears as though the poem has been composed for the first choice, with the first and second pair of lines having their own matching sound effects: ???? and ?????? ??? and ??? So with that correction we have this ???? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????????? or ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? Regards Periannan Chandrasekaran ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Jean-Luc Chevillard Date: Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Civakacintamani 2039 To: Indology List P.S. Of course, maybe I should have written the pattern as ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? -- Jean-Luc On 16/07/2022 02:26, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote: > Dear SP, > > the impression is indeed that the underlying attempted rythm is > something like > > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > GLGLGLGLGLGLGLG > > (with 15 elements per line) > (and a few places where the words are made to fit the pattern) > > Best wishes > > -- Jean-Luc > > > On 15/07/2022 19:22, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY wrote: >> Dear scholars, >> >> I have a question on the critical text of verse 2039 in the >> C?vakacint?ma?i. >> >> The following is the reading given by UVS. See attachment. >> >> ???????????????????????????????? >> >> ??????????????????????????????????? >> >> ????????????????????????????????????? >> >> ????????????????????????????????????????? >> >> The following is the reading given in by Aracu and Peruma?aippulavar >> as found in the Tamil virtual Academy website >> (https://www.tamilvu.org/node/154572?linkid=135162 >> ) and their >> commentary. >> >> ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???????? ?????? >> >> ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? >> >> ?????? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ????????? >> >> ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? >> >> *(? - ??.)*????????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??????? - ???????????? >> ???????????, ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????????; ?????? ????? ??????? >> ?????????? - ???? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???; ???????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? >> - ???? ???????? ???? ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????; ????? ????? ??????? >> ????????? ????????? - ?????? ????? ??????? ??????????. ????????? ?????? >> ????????????? ?????????; ??? ????????? - ????? ??????????. >> >> *(?? - ??.)*????? - ?????; ????. ??????? ??? ????- ???????? ??????? ?????????? >> ???? ????, ????????? - ???????. ??? - ?????, ?????????? ?????? ????? ???????? >> ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????????.** >> >> ???? ?????? - ??????????????????. ??????? : ??????. ??????? ????????. >> >> The questions I have are (1) Is matimmaka? with an -m- after mati- in >> the original text? If so, did UVS miss it in his publication? Is that >> extra -m- introduced due to metrical considerations? If so, does the >> -min pu??uvamalso belong in the same category meaning the semantically >> relevant underlying text in the original is only pu??uvamatimaka? and >> not pu??uvam matimaka? as given by UVS? >> >> Thank you for your comments. >> >> Regards, >> >> Palaniappan >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can make a scan of it a little later in the week, if no one else beats me to it. Best, Jacob Schmidt-Madsen P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? via INDOLOGY skrev den 2022-07-20 15:01: > Dear colleagues, > > Might anyone have a pdf of Patkar, M.M. 1963. "The Role of Gambling in > Ancient Indian Society and Some Sanskrit Words Pertaining to the > Game." Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal 1:141-53? > > I see that google books has a scan of the volume, but that remains > inaccessible to me. > > Many thanks in advance, > > Peter Szanto > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 15:57:44 2022 From: szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?P=C3=A9ter-D=C3=A1niel_Sz=C3=A1nt=C3=B3?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2022 18:57:44 +0300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Patkar 1963 Message-ID: ?My sincere thanks to Jacob Schmidt-Madsen and Guy St. Amant for coming to the rescue. Peter Szanto Az iPhone-omr?l k?ldve > 2022. j?l. 20. d?tummal, 16:01 id?pontban P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? ?rta: > ? > Dear colleagues, > > Might anyone have a pdf of Patkar, M.M. 1963. "The Role of Gambling in Ancient Indian Society and Some Sanskrit Words Pertaining to the Game." Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal 1:141-53? > > I see that google books has a scan of the volume, but that remains inaccessible to me. > > Many thanks in advance, > > Peter Szanto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francois.voegeli at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 18:44:37 2022 From: francois.voegeli at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Fran=c3=a7ois_Voegeli?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2022 20:44:37 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Patkar 1963 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would be interested by this article also, if anyone can send me a pdf. Thanks in advance. F. Voegeli On 20.07.22 17:57, P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? via INDOLOGY wrote: > ? My sincere thanks to Jacob Schmidt-Madsen and Guy St. Amant for > coming to the rescue. > > Peter Szanto > > Az iPhone-omr?l k?ldve > >> 2022. j?l. 20. d?tummal, 16:01 id?pontban P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? >> ?rta: >> >> ? >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> Might anyone have a pdf of Patkar, M.M. 1963. "The Role of Gambling >> in Ancient Indian Society and Some Sanskrit Words Pertaining to the >> Game."Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal1:141-53? >> >> I see that google books has a scan of the volume, but that remains >> inaccessible to me. >> >> Many thanks in advance, >> >> Peter Szanto >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yogacara at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:02:16 2022 From: yogacara at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2022 15:02:16 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Patkar 1963 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4756A503-301A-4363-B413-98F024D55FAA@gmail.com> I would like a copy as well. Thank you. Dan > On Jul 20, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Fran?ois Voegeli via INDOLOGY wrote: > > I would be interested by this article also, if anyone can send me a pdf. Thanks in advance. > > F. Voegeli > > On 20.07.22 17:57, P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? via INDOLOGY wrote: >> ? My sincere thanks to Jacob Schmidt-Madsen and Guy St. Amant for coming to the rescue. >> >> Peter Szanto >> >> Az iPhone-omr?l k?ldve >> >>> 2022. j?l. 20. d?tummal, 16:01 id?pontban P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? ?rta: >>> >>> ? >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> Might anyone have a pdf of Patkar, M.M. 1963. "The Role of Gambling in Ancient Indian Society and Some Sanskrit Words Pertaining to the Game." Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal 1:141-53? >>> I see that google books has a scan of the volume, but that remains inaccessible to me. >>> >>> Many thanks in advance, >>> >>> Peter Szanto >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 19:22:48 2022 From: szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UMOpdGVyLUTDoW5pZWwgU3rDoW50w7M=?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2022 22:22:48 +0300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Patkar 1963 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Many of you wished to have a copy of this paper. Once again thank to Guy St. Amant and also to Lubom?r Ondra?ka who suggested that I should upload the paper to archive. This is the link where you can find it: https://archive.org/details/patkar-gambling-in-india Best wishes, Peter Szanto On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 at 16:01, P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? < szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Might anyone have a pdf of Patkar, M.M. 1963. "The Role of Gambling in > Ancient Indian Society and Some Sanskrit Words Pertaining to the Game." Vishveshvaranand > Indological Journal 1:141-53? > > I see that google books has a scan of the volume, but that remains > inaccessible to me. > > Many thanks in advance, > > Peter Szanto > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They appear to be related to the cakras of the body as they follow statements such as: In the Kulac???ma?i-nigama and the B?hattantras?ra: m?l?dibrahmarandhr?nta? kula? dhy?tv? guru? smaret prahl?d?nandasanak?nandameva ca || 34 || . . . In the Kaul?val?nir?aya: bhedayitv? ca ?a?cakra? sahasr?rasthite?vare | sth?payitv? ca tasyordhva? dhy?yet kulagur?n kram?t || 84 || . . . In the T?ratantra: tata?ca sa?smaret kaul?n gur?net?n kule?vari || 1/24 || . . . Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 11:14:21 2022 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:14:21 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?b?4KSy4KWK4KSV4KS14KS/4KSt4KS+4KSXOiB0aGUg?= =?utf-8?q?mathematics_text?= In-Reply-To: <8CAD43F4-D5CC-4229-8A28-ED62C0EE68C3@gmail.com> References: <8CAD43F4-D5CC-4229-8A28-ED62C0EE68C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: jainelibrary.org is good for such things. On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 at 23:56, Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Hi, Bob, > > Is it possibly this? > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.427217/page/n9/mode/2up > > Elliot > > On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Hueckstedt, Robert A (rah2k) via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Colleagues, > A math colleague of mine here asked if I could track down this text for > him, especially if it had an English translation. I've looked all over, > WayBack, everywhere. No luck. And information about the text, which I found > both on Wikiwand and the Hindi Wikipedia, is word-for-word the same. > > According to that information, the original was in Prakrit by a Digambara > Jain called Sarvanandi, which is no longer available, and a Sanskrit > translation of that by one Simhasuri is available. The WayBack Machine > supposedly has it in the Digital Library of India, but I couldn't find it, > even after installing their TIFF reader. > > ??, > Bob Hueckstedt > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > Elliot M. Stern > 552 South 48th Street > Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 > emstern1948 at gmail.com > 267-240-8418 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 13:56:46 2022 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 15:56:46 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] catalogs of Orissa manuscript collections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As far as I can see (quickly) almost none of the Bhubaneshwar catalogues you have are in the catalogues.indology.info collection. So, yes please, to scans. Best, Dominik On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 at 10:12, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, and especially dear Dominik, > > I am about to give a big part of my library to the EFEO, which will ensure > cataloging of the books through and > availability of the same either at its Paris or its Pondicherry library, > for readers who prefer print over pdf. In the first instance, this mainly > concerns my collection of editions and translations of Vedic texts. > > However, sifting through boxes of books I also stumble upon this > collection (photo attached) of catalogs of manuscripts in three collections > at Bhubaneswar, principally the Orissa State Museum. Am I correct in > believing that none of these is represented at < > https://indology.info/scanned-catalogues/>? > > I haven't checked whether any or all are already findable online, but if > not, I'd like to make the collection available to be scanned and added to > Dominik's collection. Otherwise, I think I'll hold on to them in the hope > once to return to the study of Orissa manuscripts. > > Best wishes, > > Arlo Griffiths > > > Library of Scanned Catalogues of Sanskrit and Prakrit Manuscripts - > Indology > (Fast mirror at Google drive, courtesy of Martin Gluckman.). Sources. This > collection of scanned manuscript catalogues is derived almost entirely from > the Public or Digital Library of India.. Some come from the Archive.org and > the Jain eLibrary.. A great debt of gratitude is due to all these resources > for selflessly promoting scholarship. > indology.info > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He is a vagrant ( *caraka*), but he doesn?t understand the *Compendium of Caraka*. *h?dayav?no dh?rta? sa?graharahita? sa va?cako vaidya? |* *vakti na do??n do?? caraka? caraka? na j?n?ti ||* 8.34 Take care, Eric On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 9:28 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > There's a comprehensive discussion of uses of the word "caraka" in > Meulenbeld's HIML, IA, 105 ff. I have nothing new to add to that. GJM > said, "The references to Caraka and Carakas discussed so far show that > these names are very old and go back to Vedic times." (109 > > ). > > Best, > Dominik > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Eric Gurevitch South Asian Languages and Civilizations and Committee on Conceptual and Historical Studies of Science University of Chicago gurevitch at uchicago.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martingansten at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 17:44:30 2022 From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:44:30 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Seven types of ascetics In-Reply-To: References: <0b218faa-2f7a-c1cb-ae21-104a9d55cfe9@gmail.com> <85a3ddbc-d0b9-1ef7-11d0-3cf0e2cc420a@gmail.com> <09fc10ca-4113-0bef-0b6a-0f4c2a12a5d1@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's very helpful, Dominik; thank you. Best wishes, Martin Den 2022-07-22 kl. 16:26, skrev Dominik Wujastyk: > There's a comprehensive discussion of uses of the word "caraka" in > Meulenbeld's HIML, IA, 105 ff.? I have nothing new to add to that. GJM > said, "The references to Caraka and Carakas discussed so far show that > these names are very old and go back to Vedic times." (109 > ). > > Best, > Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au Sat Jul 23 00:07:48 2022 From: Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au (Greg Bailey) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 00:07:48 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Boar_=28Var=C4=81ha=29_in_Sanskrit_literatu?= =?utf-8?q?re?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear List, A colleague who is not on the list has asked for references on "the boar on Ondoan culture." As the Epic and Pur??ic bibliography seems now to be no longer online, I am requesting any references from the list. Thanks in advance. 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As the Epic and Pur??ic bibliography seems now to be no > longer online, I am requesting any references from the list. > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Greg Bailey > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isabella.nardi at yahoo.it Sat Jul 23 14:13:05 2022 From: isabella.nardi at yahoo.it (Isabella Nardi) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 14:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with manuscript folio References: <2009993116.1728914.1658585586111.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2009993116.1728914.1658585586111@mail.yahoo.com> Dear List, I amattaching the recto and verso of a page from a dispersed manuscript whichis in a private collection in Italy. Isthere anyone who could help me identify the text? 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In trying to ascertain when Satyavat?, mother of Vy?sa, retired to the forest or simply passed away, I found two apparently incompatible accounts. In the Mah?bh?rata CE, beginning at 1.119.5, Vy?sa comes to his mother at P???u?s funeral, and essentially tells her that bad times are coming, and she should renounce the world. She then leaves the Kuru capital with her two daughters-in-law, Ambik? and Amb?lik?. In the Bh?gavata-pur??a 1.10.9-10, Satyavat? is remarkably still present in royal affairs much later. Indeed she is among the royals lamenting K???a?s departure for Dv?rak? after the Kuruk?etra battle. Interestinglly, Vettam Mani gives only the Mah?bh?rata version in his Pur??ic Encyclopedia. Are there additional versions or other insights? Thanks! Howard From harshadehejia at hotmail.com Sun Jul 24 10:50:25 2022 From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 10:50:25 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya Message-ID: Friends: Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? Kind regards, Hrtsha Harsha V. Dehejia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Sun Jul 24 20:46:57 2022 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 20:46:57 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Harsha, I don?t know if a direct link can be demonstrated , but it is notable that, in their cosmological speculations, Adhidharma texts and Mah?y?na s?tras seem also to have become fascinated with large multiples of 10, such as the famous Trisahasra-mah?sahasra, 1000 cubed. 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In case, I would be interested to know in which text or context. 2) Regardless of your reply to my first question, I am keen to hear your suggestions as to its ideological/religious framework, if a specific one comes to mind. I see that it could just be a wise saying without any sectarian colouring, but still I wonder if it rings a bell with anyone. The context in which I encountered it does not offer any hints: I found it in two manuscripts of the same k?vya commentary, namely after the closing formula iti *title* sam?pt?. All the very best, Gaia Pintucci -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harshadehejia at hotmail.com Mon Jul 25 11:08:47 2022 From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 11:08:47 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya Message-ID: Friends: Thank you for the many useful responses. While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental. Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. Kind regards, Harsha Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu Mon Jul 25 11:55:09 2022 From: Joseph.Walser at tufts.edu (Walser, Joseph) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 11:55:09 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] [External] Sunya In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Harsha, There was a group working on the mathematical connection to Mahayana about 15 or 20 years ago. I was looking through my emails but can't find it. As far as I know they never published anything on it. The best I was able to do was to show the political origins of emptiness but I would have loved it to find a mathematical angle as well. Let me know if any Indian mathematics experts come back to you with anything. Best J Joseph Walser Department of Religion Tufts University Medford, MA 02155 ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 7:08:47 AM To: Indology List Subject: [External] [INDOLOGY] Sunya Friends: Thank you for the many useful responses. While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental. Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. Kind regards, Harsha Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia Caution: This message originated from outside of the Tufts University organization. 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URL: From hr at ivs.edu Mon Jul 25 12:26:45 2022 From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 05:26:45 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> Might one say that sunyata may arise where sunya is well understood? > On Jul 25, 2022, at 4:08 AM, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Friends: > > Thank you for the many useful responses. > > While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental. > > Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. > > Kind regards, > > Harsha > Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 12:36:51 2022 From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 12:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> References: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <633665262.1757058.1658752611103@mail.yahoo.com> Mathematician Charles Seife writes in Zero: the biography of a dangerous idea: "Unfortunately, the Greeks and Romans hated zero so much that they clung to their own Egyptian-like notation rather than convert to the Babylonian system, even though the Babylonian system was easier to use. ... "However, the Greeks so despised zero that they refused to admit it into their writings, even though they saw how useful it was. The reason: zero was dangerous. "In earliest times did Ymir live: was nor sea nor land nor salty waves, neither earth was there nor upper heaven, but a gaping nothing, and green things nowhere." ?THE ELDER EDDA "It is hard to imagine being afraid of a number. Yet zero was inexorably inked with the void?with nothing. There was a primal fear of void and chaos. There was also a fear of zero. Most ancient peoples believed that only emptiness and chaos were present before the universe came to be." On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 06:12:08 PM GMT+5:45, Howard Resnick
wrote: Might one say that sunyata may arise where sunya is well understood? On Jul 25, 2022, at 4:08 AM, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY wrote: Friends: Thank you?for the many useful responses. While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental.? Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. Kind regards, HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harshadehejia at hotmail.com Mon Jul 25 13:43:59 2022 From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 13:43:59 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: <633665262.1757058.1658752611103@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> <633665262.1757058.1658752611103@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Friends: The fact that the Greeks were afraid of zero is interesting and it fits in with the comfort we had in India with Sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism. As they said, "Emptiness is nothing but form, and form is nothing but emptiness." As to which came first, sunya or sunyata, there is no debate. Sunyata was championed by Nagarjuna in the 1st century AD, while sunya came with Aryabhatta in the 5th century AD. Finally, sunya is cognate with the word, "sunn" in the bhashas, which means a state of mental voidness. Thanks to everyone. Harsha Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia ________________________________ From: Dean Michael Anderson Sent: July 25, 2022 8:36 AM To: Harsha Dehejia ; Howard Resnick
Cc: Indology List Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sunya Mathematician Charles Seife writes in Zero: the biography of a dangerous idea: "Unfortunately, the Greeks and Romans hated zero so much that they clung to their own Egyptian-like notation rather than convert to the Babylonian system, even though the Babylonian system was easier to use. ... "However, the Greeks so despised zero that they refused to admit it into their writings, even though they saw how useful it was. The reason: zero was dangerous. "In earliest times did Ymir live: was nor sea nor land nor salty waves, neither earth was there nor upper heaven, but a gaping nothing, and green things nowhere." ?THE ELDER EDDA "It is hard to imagine being afraid of a number. Yet zero was inexorably inked with the void?with nothing. There was a primal fear of void and chaos. There was also a fear of zero. Most ancient peoples believed that only emptiness and chaos were present before the universe came to be." On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 06:12:08 PM GMT+5:45, Howard Resnick
wrote: Might one say that sunyata may arise where sunya is well understood? On Jul 25, 2022, at 4:08 AM, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY > wrote: Friends: Thank you for the many useful responses. While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental. Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. Kind regards, Harsha Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johannes.bronkhorst at unil.ch Mon Jul 25 14:10:53 2022 From: johannes.bronkhorst at unil.ch (Johannes Bronkhorst) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 16:10:53 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: References: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> <633665262.1757058.1658752611103@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7E508CB1-7C38-4BC9-AE63-A995C2788C24@unil.ch> Perhaps the following foundation is of interest to some of you: www.zerorigindia.org Johannes Bronkhorst > On 25 Jul 2022, at 15:43, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Friends: > > The fact that the Greeks were afraid of zero is interesting and it fits in with the comfort we had in India with Sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism. > As they said, "Emptiness is nothing but form, and form is nothing but emptiness." > > As to which came first, sunya or sunyata, there is no debate. Sunyata was championed by Nagarjuna in the 1st century AD, while sunya came with Aryabhatta in the 5th century AD. > > Finally, sunya is cognate with the word, "sunn" in the bhashas, which means a state of mental voidness. > > Thanks to everyone. > > Harsha > Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia > From: Dean Michael Anderson > Sent: July 25, 2022 8:36 AM > To: Harsha Dehejia ; Howard Resnick
> Cc: Indology List > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sunya > > Mathematician Charles Seife writes in Zero: the biography of a dangerous idea: > "Unfortunately, the Greeks and Romans hated zero so much that they clung to their own Egyptian-like notation rather than convert to the Babylonian system, even though the Babylonian system was easier to use. ... > "However, the Greeks so despised zero that they refused to admit it into their writings, even though they saw how useful it was. The reason: zero was dangerous. > "In earliest times did Ymir live: was nor sea nor land nor salty waves, neither earth was there nor upper heaven, but a gaping nothing, and green things nowhere." > ?THE ELDER EDDA > "It is hard to imagine being afraid of a number. Yet zero was inexorably inked with the void?with nothing. There was a primal fear of void and chaos. There was also a fear of zero. Most ancient peoples believed that only emptiness and chaos were present before the universe came to be." > > > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 06:12:08 PM GMT+5:45, Howard Resnick
wrote: > > > Might one say that sunyata may arise where sunya is well understood? > >> On Jul 25, 2022, at 4:08 AM, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> > > Friends: > > Thank you for the many useful responses. > > While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental. > > Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. > > Kind regards, > > Harsha > Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From satyanad.kichenassamy at univ-reims.fr Mon Jul 25 15:08:39 2022 From: satyanad.kichenassamy at univ-reims.fr (Satyanad Kichenassamy) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 17:08:39 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> References: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <20220725170839.8716b6e17b531f43f4473609@univ-reims.fr> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 05:26:45 -0700 Howard Resnick
wrote: > Might one say that sunyata may arise where sunya is well understood? The question raised by Harsha Dehejia is complicated for several reasons. First, there are different concepts of zero, leading to different mathematical and philosophical problems. In particular, if zero is a number that may be subject to subtraction, then it is necessary to introduce negative numbers (minus five as zero minus five for instance). Now this step was first taken by Brahmagupta in his Braahmasphu.tasiddhaanta (chap. 18), which happens to be roughly the time of the first attestations of the lingodbhava theme, in which we find a two-sided infinite (see my paper in the volume on "Mythes d'origine", as well as my communication at the French Acad?mie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres in 2018 -- full references are on my web page). Thus, there are several philosophical ideas involved here, not just the idea of vacuity, but also those of: infinity, absence of origin, infinite universe. In addition, there are several words for the same mathematical notion of zero. Thus, the word kha and synonyms, referring to an empty place, are equally important. About Hellenistic mathematics, it is true that zero is not considered, but even the monad ("one") is not a number: the smallest number is supposed to be two. There have also been at a realtively late date, what may be called negative reactions to negative numbers. I hope this helps, Best regards, Satyanad Kichenassamy > > > On Jul 25, 2022, at 4:08 AM, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > > Friends: > > > > Thank you for the many useful responses. > > > > While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental. > > > > Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Harsha > > Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -- ********************************************** Satyanad KICHENASSAMY Professor of Mathematics Laboratoire de Math?matiques de Reims (CNRS, UMR9008) Universit? de Reims Champagne-Ardenne F-51687 Reims Cedex 2 France Web: https://www.normalesup.org/~kichenassamy ********************************************** From hhhock at illinois.edu Mon Jul 25 15:54:24 2022 From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:54:24 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> References: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <24A96CC1-3A6C-4FD4-90F3-C33FD2EB40C4@illinois.edu> On the origin of zero, there is also an interesting article by Frits Staal (see reference below), which unfortunately is available to me only in snippets. Staal discusses various proposed accounts, including origin from Chinese mathematics (through Southeast Asia), ??nya, and also the P??inian grammatical tradition, referring to lopa and three ?zero? elements in P??ini?s grammar ? luk, lup, and ?lu ? together with the notion that knowledge of P??inian grammar was foundational for all of the Sanskrit-language literature. According to one publication, whose reference is not available to me right now, Staal concluded "[between 1000 and 600 BCE a linguistic term] 'lopa' [was used] to refer to omissions, disappearances and things that are lost. It is here that the origins of the mathematical concept of zero seem to lie. It is a long period and with smudgy edges but there it is ?" The interpretation of luk, lup, ?lu as zero elements may require some further thought. In P??ini?s grammar (1.1.60-63) there is a general ?zeroing? process called lopa, in addition to the three specific ?zero? elements luk, lup, ?lu. The two differ from each other as follows: lopa does not delete the grammatical features associated with the zeroed element; luk, lup, and ?lu do. This may raise the question as to which is the ?real? zero element. Although luk, lup, ?lu are named elements, they actually designate just absence or complete deletion. Lopa, by contrast, can be understood as introducing an element that has zero content but has grammatical properties like other, full elements in P??ini?s grammar. From this perspective, then, lopa might be considered to come closer to zero in numbers theory, where questions such as what is 0 x 1 or 1 : 0, questions that are addressed in some of the later mathematical treatises. Perhaps some P??iniyan scholar can through more light on this matter? I?m not sure whether this adds to the discussion or leads to more confusion. All the best, Hans Henrich The reference: Staal, Frits. 2010. On the origins of zero. Studies in the history of Indian mathematics, ed. by C. S. Seshadri, 38-53. New Delhi: Hindustan Book Agency. On 25 Jul2022, at 07:26, Howard Resnick
> wrote: Might one say that sunyata may arise where sunya is well understood? On Jul 25, 2022, at 4:08 AM, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY > wrote: Friends: Thank you for the many useful responses. While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental. Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. Kind regards, Harsha Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology__;!!DZ3fjg!_fVEPk-7xYYr61WpNSyDmzgNGAw-IX3CsP91qYp1HD4kMZxt2ssFFdkl-9cr4xEHiYbreZCCPNY$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz Mon Jul 25 16:07:31 2022 From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?UTF-8?B?THVib23DrXIgT25kcmHEjWth?=) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 18:07:31 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: <24A96CC1-3A6C-4FD4-90F3-C33FD2EB40C4@illinois.edu> References: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> <24A96CC1-3A6C-4FD4-90F3-C33FD2EB40C4@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <20220725180731.aa4b9a65d76b56e18955e004@ff.cuni.cz> Staal's paper. L. On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:54:24 +0000 "Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY" wrote: > On the origin of zero, there is also an interesting article by Frits Staal (see reference below), which unfortunately is available to me only in snippets. Staal discusses various proposed accounts, including origin from Chinese mathematics (through Southeast Asia), ??nya, and also the P??inian grammatical tradition, referring to lopa and three ?zero? elements in P??ini?s grammar ? luk, lup, and ?lu ? together with the notion that knowledge of P??inian grammar was foundational for all of the Sanskrit-language literature. According to one publication, whose reference is not available to me right now, Staal concluded "[between 1000 and 600 BCE a linguistic term] 'lopa' [was used] to refer to omissions, disappearances and things that are lost. It is here that the origins of the mathematical concept of zero seem to lie. It is a long period and with smudgy edges but there it is ?" > > The interpretation of luk, lup, ?lu as zero elements may require some further thought. In P??ini?s grammar (1.1.60-63) there is a general ?zeroing? process called lopa, in addition to the three specific ?zero? elements luk, lup, ?lu. The two differ from each other as follows: lopa does not delete the grammatical features associated with the zeroed element; luk, lup, and ?lu do. This may raise the question as to which is the ?real? zero element. Although luk, lup, ?lu are named elements, they actually designate just absence or complete deletion. Lopa, by contrast, can be understood as introducing an element that has zero content but has grammatical properties like other, full elements in P??ini?s grammar. From this perspective, then, lopa might be considered to come closer to zero in numbers theory, where questions such as what is 0 x 1 or 1 : 0, questions that are addressed in some of the later mathematical treatises. Perhaps some P??iniyan scholar can through more light on this matter? > > I?m not sure whether this adds to the discussion or leads to more confusion. > > All the best, > > Hans Henrich > > The reference: Staal, Frits. 2010. On the origins of zero. Studies in the history of Indian mathematics, ed. by C. S. Seshadri, 38-53. New Delhi: Hindustan Book Agency. > > > > On 25 Jul2022, at 07:26, Howard Resnick
> wrote: > > Might one say that sunyata may arise where sunya is well understood? > > On Jul 25, 2022, at 4:08 AM, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > Friends: > > Thank you for the many useful responses. > > While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental. > > Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. > > Kind regards, > > Harsha > Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology__;!!DZ3fjg!_fVEPk-7xYYr61WpNSyDmzgNGAw-IX3CsP91qYp1HD4kMZxt2ssFFdkl-9cr4xEHiYbreZCCPNY$ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: STAAL (2010) On the Origins of Zero.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 941568 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hhhock at illinois.edu Mon Jul 25 16:09:20 2022 From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 16:09:20 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: <20220725180731.aa4b9a65d76b56e18955e004@ff.cuni.cz> References: <1658752006-5155812.50080873.f26PCQjjl3398286@rs6162.luxsci.com> <24A96CC1-3A6C-4FD4-90F3-C33FD2EB40C4@illinois.edu> <20220725180731.aa4b9a65d76b56e18955e004@ff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <8504C2AD-B472-49B3-85A6-8FAB9123338D@illinois.edu> Thanks very much, Lubomir. This shows, once again, what a great resource the Indology list is. All the best Hans Henrich > On 25 Jul2022, at 11:07, Lubom?r Ondra?ka wrote: > > Staal's paper. > L. > > On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:54:24 +0000 > "Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY" wrote: > >> On the origin of zero, there is also an interesting article by Frits Staal (see reference below), which unfortunately is available to me only in snippets. Staal discusses various proposed accounts, including origin from Chinese mathematics (through Southeast Asia), ??nya, and also the P??inian grammatical tradition, referring to lopa and three ?zero? elements in P??ini?s grammar ? luk, lup, and ?lu ? together with the notion that knowledge of P??inian grammar was foundational for all of the Sanskrit-language literature. According to one publication, whose reference is not available to me right now, Staal concluded "[between 1000 and 600 BCE a linguistic term] 'lopa' [was used] to refer to omissions, disappearances and things that are lost. It is here that the origins of the mathematical concept of zero seem to lie. It is a long period and with smudgy edges but there it is ?" >> >> The interpretation of luk, lup, ?lu as zero elements may require some further thought. In P??ini?s grammar (1.1.60-63) there is a general ?zeroing? process called lopa, in addition to the three specific ?zero? elements luk, lup, ?lu. The two differ from each other as follows: lopa does not delete the grammatical features associated with the zeroed element; luk, lup, and ?lu do. This may raise the question as to which is the ?real? zero element. Although luk, lup, ?lu are named elements, they actually designate just absence or complete deletion. Lopa, by contrast, can be understood as introducing an element that has zero content but has grammatical properties like other, full elements in P??ini?s grammar. From this perspective, then, lopa might be considered to come closer to zero in numbers theory, where questions such as what is 0 x 1 or 1 : 0, questions that are addressed in some of the later mathematical treatises. Perhaps some P??iniyan scholar can through more light on this matter? >> >> I?m not sure whether this adds to the discussion or leads to more confusion. >> >> All the best, >> >> Hans Henrich >> >> The reference: Staal, Frits. 2010. On the origins of zero. Studies in the history of Indian mathematics, ed. by C. S. Seshadri, 38-53. New Delhi: Hindustan Book Agency. >> >> >> >> On 25 Jul2022, at 07:26, Howard Resnick
> wrote: >> >> Might one say that sunyata may arise where sunya is well understood? >> >> On Jul 25, 2022, at 4:08 AM, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> Friends: >> >> Thank you for the many useful responses. >> >> While it is clear that no definite scientific evidence is forthcoming to suggest that the mathematical concept of sunya arose from the Mahayana concept of sunyata, it is difficult to dismiss that the similarity of the two words is accidental. >> >> Sunya can only rise in an ethos where the concept of sunyata is well understood. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Harsha >> Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology__;!!DZ3fjg!7P7CZSSOcjEVQiQZ3eaoOKlRbfH6jkFqq1DmoGkAI1OFzQdpN-okLM1Hp9v-raUxoCyrKNnBW47WD8LemSMBacg$ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology__;!!DZ3fjg!_fVEPk-7xYYr61WpNSyDmzgNGAw-IX3CsP91qYp1HD4kMZxt2ssFFdkl-9cr4xEHiYbreZCCPNY$ >> > From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com Mon Jul 25 16:19:05 2022 From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das) Date: 25 Jul 2022 16:19:05 -0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Sunya?= Message-ID: <1658764053.S.1569.autosave.drafts.1658765945.18206@webmail.rediffmail.com> Dr.Dahejia,With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of "Sunnya"1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa"..2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further reference on this text can be furnished.3) AryaBhatta's name is  associated with the concept of zero" with respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central America introduced the concept of zero. Would like to be enlightened more on this.RegardsAlakendu Das. Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530 To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya Friends: Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? Kind regards, Hrtsha Harsha V. Dehejia _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Dave -- David Buchta, PhD Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of Classics Brown University On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 2:35 AM Gaia Pintucci via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > > I have two questions/requests regarding the following stanza: > sarva? karma k?ta? vidv?n vidan viar?gyabh?g bhavet | > nirvikalpa? sad? tis?het tattvacint?paro bhavet || > Knowing all the deeds that were done [by himself], a wiseman partakes of > detachment, remains constantly free from conceptualization and is focused > on his reflection about truth. > > It looks very much like one of those floating subh??itas, therefore my > query is probably a hopeless one, nevertheless I'll toss in the ocean my > bottle with a message: > 1) Have you ever encountered it in reading or heard it? In case, I would > be interested to know in which text or context. > 2) Regardless of your reply to my first question, I am keen to hear your > suggestions as to its ideological/religious framework, if a specific one > comes to mind. I see that it could just be a wise saying without any > sectarian colouring, but still I wonder if it rings a bell with anyone. > > The context in which I encountered it does not offer any hints: I found it > in two manuscripts of the same k?vya commentary, namely after the closing > formula iti *title* sam?pt?. > > All the very best, > Gaia Pintucci > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It can be downloaded here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_GGm7XiEFqiInMrPgPIygHjpsdMHUaPH/view?usp=sharing All the Best, Victor On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 9:32 PM victor davella wrote: > Dear all, > > Does anyone happen to have a pdf of Prosodial Practice of Sanskrit Poets > by Velankar? I've attempted to get it from > > > https://southasiacommons.net/artifacts/2361293/journal-of-the-bombay-branch-of-the-royal-asiatic-society-new-series-1948-1949/3369940/ > > but have not succeeded. > > Thanks in advance. > > All the Best, > Victor > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajam at earthlink.net Mon Jul 25 21:22:36 2022 From: rajam at earthlink.net (rajam) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:22:36 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: <1658764053.S.1569.autosave.drafts.1658765945.18206@webmail.rediffmail.com> References: <1658764053.S.1569.autosave.drafts.1658765945.18206@webmail.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: For whatever its worth ? I?m tempted to provide some information from the Tamil parip??al (???????? : 3) where I see a mathematical counting starting from ?s?nya? / ?zero?. This poem, parip??al (???????? : 3), is dedicated to tirum?l (????????, Vishnu). Here, the numbers are counted as: p?? (????, meaning ?nothing solid/concrete/meaningful??), k?l (????, one quarter, 1/4), p?ku (????, one half, 1/2), o??u (?????, one), ira??u (??????, two), m???u (??????, three), n??ku (??????, four), ai?tu (?????, five), ??u (???, six), ??u (???, seven), e??u (?????, eight), to??u (??????, nine). ???? ??, ???? ??, ???? ??, ????? ??, ?????? ??, ?????? ??, ?????? ??, ????? ??, ??? ??, ??? ??, ????? ??, ?????? ??, ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ? Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a translation from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem. Thanks and regards, rajam > On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dr.Dahejia, > With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of "Sunnya" > 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa".. > 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further reference on this text can be furnished. > 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central America introduced the concept of zero. > > Would like to be enlightened more on this. > Regards > Alakendu Das. > > > > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android > > > > > From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY > > Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530 > To: Indology List > > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya > > Friends: > > Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? > > Kind regards, > > Hrtsha > Harsha V. Dehejia > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anurupa.n at ifpindia.org Tue Jul 26 04:48:55 2022 From: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org (Anurupa Naik) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 10:18:55 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: References: <1658764053.S.1569.autosave.drafts.1658765945.18206@webmail.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: <752c257d-82cc-7d82-18d9-ce5071370f1b@ifpindia.org> If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros' French translation of /Paripatal/ published by the French Institute: 75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes C'est Toi qui les prot?ges sous une ombre unique. Le n?ant, le quart, la moiti?, un Deux, trois, quatre, cinq Six, sept, huit, neuf : 80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre sortes : Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...] /(Le Parip??al. Texte tamoul/. Introduction, traduction et notes par Fran?ois Gros, PIFI n?35, IFP, 1968, p. 16) Thank you, Anurupa IFP On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote: > > For whatever its worth ? I?m tempted to provide some information from > the Tamil parip??al (???????? : 3) where I see a mathematical counting > starting from ?s?nya? / ?zero?. > > This poem, parip??al (???????? : 3), is dedicated to tirum?l > (????????, Vishnu). > > Here, the numbers are counted as: p?? (????, meaning ?nothing > solid/concrete/meaningful??), k?l (????, one quarter, 1/4),? p?ku > (????, one half, 1/2), o??u (?????, one), ira??u (??????, two), m???u > (??????, three), n??ku (??????, four), ai?tu (?????, five), ??u (???, > six), ??u (???, seven), e??u (?????, eight), to??u (??????, nine). > > ??????, ??????, ??????, ???????, > ????????, ????????, ????????, ???????, > ?????, ?????, ???????, ????????, > ???????????????????????????????? > > Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a > translation from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem. > > Thanks and regards, > rajam > > >> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY >> wrote: >> >> Dr.Dahejia, >> With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of "Sunnya" >> 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept >> developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the >> principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa".. >> 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text >> dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of >> decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further >> reference on this text can be furnished. >> 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with >> respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central >> America introduced the concept of zero. >> >> Would like to be enlightened more on this. >> Regards >> Alakendu Das. >> >> >> >> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android >> >> >> >> >> From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY >> Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530 >> To: Indology List >> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya >> >> Friends: >> >> Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the >> sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Hrtsha >> Harsha V. 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Houben) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 12:06:07 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?q?Tantric_Teachings_of_the_K=C4=81lik=C4=81_P?= =?utf-8?b?dXLEgeG5h2EgYnkgS2FyZWwgUi4gdmFuIEtvb2lq?= Message-ID: Publication of *Tantric Teachings of the K?lik? Pur??a* by Karel R. van Kooij Leiden: Brill, 2021 Dear All, Although it appeared last year, you may be interested in the announcement of this publication by Karel R. van Kooij, one of my former professors at the Indology department of Utrecht University (I have not yet seen any announcement here, may have missed it): https://nias.knaw.nl/books/tantric-teachings-of-the-kalika-pura%E1%B9%87a/ Together with van Kooij's well-known earlier publications, esp. *Worship of the Goddess According to the K?lik?pur??a*, Part I (Leiden: Brill, 1972), this new book contains a monumental introduction to, and presentation of, the peculiar cultural-religious complex that found expression in this Pur??a and the analysis and translation of substantial fragments of the text. >From the Preface: "The learned br?hmin who composed the text is clearly recommending a ?civilised? Tantrism conforming to the *dharma*. Tantrism had become part of correct behaviour. Violence is part of the game ? human sacrifice too ? but is mythologised, ritualised, moralised." As a philologist of the school of Jan Gonda, the author explains "I wanted to give the floor to the text itself, and to figure out what the Teachings have to say before anybody else, including myself." He further explains that "That is why I am including many fragments in text and translation, thereby supported by manuscripts, which were at my disposal when I started this research. At the same time, I wanted to expose the K?lik?pur??a, because the work deserves attention. Even now, after the study of Tantrism took such an impressive sprint forward, the K?lik? Pur??a remains relatively unexplored. What this Pur??a has to offer in extensively presenting Tantric knowledge is remarkable and valuable. The text frequently plays its own guru and explains itself. The Tantric portion certainly does not belong to the genre of concise, sometimes deliberately obscure, Tantric treatises meant for the initiated s?dhaka, but represent an open Pur??ic Tantrism. Nevertheless, the ?iva?s teaching is based on a Bhairava Tantra, as the text itself reveals , but polished and abridged in order to make the contents suitable to a lay audience, in this case, no doubt, a royal patron of K?mar?pa." --- *Jan E.M. 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URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 10:22:13 2022 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 15:52:13 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: <752c257d-82cc-7d82-18d9-ce5071370f1b@ifpindia.org> References: <1658764053.S.1569.autosave.drafts.1658765945.18206@webmail.rediffmail.com> <752c257d-82cc-7d82-18d9-ce5071370f1b@ifpindia.org> Message-ID: Prof. Amba Kulkarni wrote some time back on BVP list as follows: I have seen the use of the word ????? in ??????????? of ??????. In the shlookas (She corrected Shlookas to Sutras) from 8.28-8.31, he is describing how to obtain powers of 2. (2^n in modern notation). The relevant shlokas, their translation, with an illustration and its equivalent mathematical expression is given below. (For more details you may refer to my unpublished paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0703658v2) dvi? arddhe (8.28) r?pe ??nyam (8.29) dvi? ??nye (8.30) t?vadardhe tadgu?itam (8.31) If the number is divisible by 2(arddhe), divide by 2 and write 2(dvi). If not, subtract 1 (r?pe), and write 0 (??nyam). If the answer were 0(??nya), multiply by 2(dvi), and if the answer were 2(arddhe), multiply (tadgu?itam) by itself (t?vad). So for example, consider 8. 8 4 2 (if even, divide by 2 and write 2) 2 2 (if even, divide by 2 and write 2) 1 2 (if even, divide by 2 and write 2) 0 0 (if odd, subtract 1 and write 0). Now start with the 2nd column, from bottom to top. 0 1*2 = 2 (if 0, multiply by 2) 2 2^2 = 4 (if 2, multiply by itself) 2 4^2 = 16 (if 2, multiply by itself) 2 16^16 = 256 (if 2, multiply by itself). This algorithm may be expressed in modern notation as power2(n) = [power2(n/2)] ^ 2 if n is even, = power2(n-1/2) * 2, if n is odd, = 1, if n = 0. -- Amba Kulkarni -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I cited the following : Kim Plofker (2009), Mathematics in India, Princeton University Press, ISBN 978-0691120676, page 54?56. "In the Chandah-sutra of Pingala, dating perhaps the third or second century BC, there are five questions concerning the possible meters for any value ?n?. [...] The answer is (2)7 = 128, as expected, but instead of seven doublings, the process (explained by the sutra) required only three doublings and two squarings ? a handy time saver where ?n? is large. Pingala?s use of a zero symbol as a marker seems to be the first known explicit reference to zero. Prof. Amba Kulkarni responded as This is what the formula I presented at the end shows. From algorithmic point of view this is a faster algorithm to find 2^n. If I remember correctly, Prof. Knuth also has mentioned in his book on Algorithms about this algorithm. Again, since I do not have the book with me right now, I can not quote. On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 10:19 AM Anurupa Naik wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros' French > translation of *Paripatal* published by the French Institute: > > 75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes > C'est Toi qui les prot?ges sous une ombre unique. > Le n?ant, le quart, la moiti?, un > Deux, trois, quatre, cinq > Six, sept, huit, neuf : > 80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre sortes : > Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...] > > *(Le Parip??al. Texte tamoul*. Introduction, traduction et notes par > Fran?ois Gros, PIFI n?35, IFP, 1968, p. 16) > Thank you, > Anurupa > IFP > > On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > For whatever its worth ? I?m tempted to provide some information from the > Tamil parip??al (???????? : 3) where I see a mathematical counting > starting from ?s?nya? / ?zero?. > > This poem, parip??al (???????? : 3), is dedicated to tirum?l (????????, > Vishnu). > > Here, the numbers are counted as: p?? (????, meaning ?nothing > solid/concrete/meaningful??), k?l (????, one quarter, 1/4), p?ku (????, > one half, 1/2), o??u (?????, one), ira??u (??????, two), m???u (??????, > three), n??ku (??????, four), ai?tu (?????, five), ??u (???, six), ??u (???, > seven), e??u (?????, eight), to??u (??????, nine). > > ???? ??, ???? ??, ???? ??, ????? ??, > ?????? ??, ?????? ??, ?????? ??, ????? ??, > ??? ??, ??? ??, ????? ??, ?????? ??, > ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ? > > Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a translation > from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem. > > Thanks and regards, > rajam > > > On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dr.Dahejia, > With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of "Sunnya" > 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept > developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the principal of > "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa".. > 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text dating > back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of decimal system > ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further reference on this > text can be furnished. > 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with > respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central America > introduced the concept of zero. > > Would like to be enlightened more on this. > Regards > Alakendu Das. > > > > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android > > > > > From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY > Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530 > To: Indology List > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya > > Friends: > > Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the > sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? > > Kind regards, > > Hrtsha > Harsha V. Dehejia > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infohttps://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > -- > Ms. Anurupa Naik > Head, Library and Publication Division > French Institute of Pondicherry (IFP) > UMIFRE 21 CNRS-MAEE > P.B. 33 > 11, St. Louis Street > Pondicherry-605 001, INDIA > > Tel: 91-413-2231660 > Fax: 91-413-2231605 > e-mail: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org > website: www.ifpindia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Tue Jul 26 12:33:12 2022 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 14:33:12 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: <752c257d-82cc-7d82-18d9-ce5071370f1b@ifpindia.org> References: <1658764053.S.1569.autosave.drafts.1658765945.18206@webmail.rediffmail.com> <752c257d-82cc-7d82-18d9-ce5071370f1b@ifpindia.org> Message-ID: Merci Anurupa d'avoir r?pondu instantan?ment ? la requ?te de notre amie V.S. Rajam On trouve aussi ???? pour d?noter le z?ro dans des repr?sentations (de type mixte) pour des grands nombres, comme par exemple dans l'assertion ??????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ????????? ???????? ???? qui explique qu'il existe 1,048,576 (i.e. 2 exponent 20) type de cantam ? 20 ?l?ments (voir V?rac??iyam, ?dition de 1942) Amicalement -- Jean-Luc https://htl.cnrs.fr/equipe/jl-chevillard/ On 26/07/2022 06:48, Anurupa Naik wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros' > French translation of /Paripatal/ published by the French Institute: > > 75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes > C'est Toi qui les prot?ges sous une ombre unique. > Le n?ant, le quart, la moiti?, un > Deux, trois, quatre, cinq > Six, sept, huit, neuf : > 80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre sortes : > Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...] > > /(Le Parip??al. Texte tamoul/. Introduction, traduction et notes par > Fran?ois Gros, PIFI n?35, IFP, 1968, p. 16) > > Thank you, > Anurupa > IFP > > On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote: >> >> For whatever its worth ? I?m tempted to provide some information from >> the Tamil parip??al (???????? : 3) where I see a mathematical counting >> starting from ?s?nya? / ?zero?. >> >> This poem, parip??al (???????? : 3), is dedicated to tirum?l (????????, >> Vishnu). >> >> Here, the numbers are counted as: p?? (????, meaning ?nothing >> solid/concrete/meaningful??), k?l (????, one quarter, 1/4),? p?ku >> (????, one half, 1/2), o??u (?????, one), ira??u (??????, two), m???u >> (??????, three), n??ku (??????, four), ai?tu (?????, five), ??u (???, >> six), ??u (???, seven), e??u (?????, eight), to??u (??????, nine). >> >> ??????, ??????, ??????, ???????, >> ????????, ????????, ????????, ???????, >> ?????, ?????, ???????, ????????, >> ???????????????????????????????? >> >> Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a >> translation from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem. >> >> Thanks and regards, >> rajam >> >> >>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dr.Dahejia, >>> With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of "Sunnya" >>> 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept >>> developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the >>> principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa".. >>> 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text >>> dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of >>> decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further >>> reference on this text can be furnished. >>> 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with >>> respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central >>> America introduced the concept of zero. >>> >>> Would like to be enlightened more on this. >>> Regards >>> Alakendu Das. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY >>> Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530 >>> To: Indology List >>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya >>> >>> Friends: >>> >>> Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the >>> sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Hrtsha >>> Harsha V. Dehejia >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > -- > Ms. Anurupa Naik > Head, Library and Publication Division > French Institute of Pondicherry (IFP) > UMIFRE 21 CNRS-MAEE > P.B. 33 > 11, St. Louis Street > Pondicherry-605 001, INDIA > > Tel: 91-413-2231660 > Fax: 91-413-2231605 > e-mail:anurupa.n at ifpindia.org > website:www.ifpindia.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Tue Jul 26 15:15:58 2022 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:15:58 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: References: <1658764053.S.1569.autosave.drafts.1658765945.18206@webmail.rediffmail.com> <752c257d-82cc-7d82-18d9-ce5071370f1b@ifpindia.org> Message-ID: <759def05-8f6a-5e0e-9c32-b954f5f566ed@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Dear all, I suddenly realize that because I was answering a message containing French, I automatically switched to French in my answer. Such is the power of mother tongues. Here is the page scanned from the 1942 edition of V?rac??iyam which contains the occurrence of ???? [p??] for referring to DIGIT ZERO in a mixed-type representation of number 1,048,576 (i.e. 2^20) for the sake of those who would want to see it Best wishes to all -- Jean-Luc https://htl.cnrs.fr/equipe/jl-chevillard/ On 26/07/2022 14:33, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote: > Merci Anurupa d'avoir r?pondu instantan?ment ? la requ?te de notre amie > V.S. Rajam > > On trouve aussi ???? pour d?noter le z?ro dans des repr?sentations (de > type mixte) pour des grands nombres, comme par exemple dans l'assertion > > ??????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ????????? ???????? ???? > > qui explique qu'il existe 1,048,576 (i.e. 2 exponent 20) type de cantam > ? 20 ?l?ments > (voir V?rac??iyam, ?dition de 1942) > > Amicalement > > -- Jean-Luc > > https://htl.cnrs.fr/equipe/jl-chevillard/ > > > On 26/07/2022 06:48, Anurupa Naik wrote: >> If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros' >> French translation of /Paripatal/ published by the French Institute: >> >> 75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes >> C'est Toi qui les prot?ges sous une ombre unique. >> Le n?ant, le quart, la moiti?, un >> Deux, trois, quatre, cinq >> Six, sept, huit, neuf : >> 80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre sortes : >> Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...] >> >> /(Le Parip??al. Texte tamoul/. Introduction, traduction et notes par >> Fran?ois Gros, PIFI n?35, IFP, 1968, p. 16) >> >> Thank you, >> Anurupa >> IFP >> >> On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote: >>> >>> For whatever its worth ? I?m tempted to provide some information from >>> the Tamil parip??al (???????? : 3) where I see a mathematical counting >>> starting from ?s?nya? / ?zero?. >>> >>> This poem, parip??al (???????? : 3), is dedicated to tirum?l (????????, >>> Vishnu). >>> >>> Here, the numbers are counted as: p?? (????, meaning ?nothing >>> solid/concrete/meaningful??), k?l (????, one quarter, 1/4),? p?ku >>> (????, one half, 1/2), o??u (?????, one), ira??u (??????, two), m???u >>> (??????, three), n??ku (??????, four), ai?tu (?????, five), ??u (???, >>> six), ??u (???, seven), e??u (?????, eight), to??u (??????, nine). >>> >>> ??????, ??????, ??????, ???????, >>> ????????, ????????, ????????, ???????, >>> ?????, ?????, ???????, ????????, >>> ???????????????????????????????? >>> >>> Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a >>> translation from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> rajam >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dr.Dahejia, >>>> With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of >>>> "Sunnya" >>>> 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept >>>> developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the >>>> principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa".. >>>> 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text >>>> dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of >>>> decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further >>>> reference on this text can be furnished. >>>> 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with >>>> respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central >>>> America introduced the concept of zero. >>>> >>>> Would like to be enlightened more on this. >>>> Regards >>>> Alakendu Das. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY >>>> Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530 >>>> To: Indology List >>>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya >>>> >>>> Friends: >>>> >>>> Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the >>>> sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Hrtsha >>>> Harsha V. Dehejia >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> -- >> Ms. Anurupa Naik >> Head, Library and Publication Division >> French Institute of Pondicherry (IFP) >> UMIFRE 21 CNRS-MAEE >> P.B. 33 >> 11, St. Louis Street >> Pondicherry-605 001, INDIA >> >> Tel: 91-413-2231660 >> Fax: 91-413-2231605 >> e-mail:anurupa.n at ifpindia.org >> website:www.ifpindia.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks and Regards, rajam > On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:48 PM, Anurupa Naik wrote: > > If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros' French translation of Paripatal published by the French Institute: > > 75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes > C'est Toi qui les prot?ges sous une ombre unique. > Le n?ant, le quart, la moiti?, un > Deux, trois, quatre, cinq > Six, sept, huit, neuf : > 80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre sortes : > Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...] > (Le Parip??al. Texte tamoul. Introduction, traduction et notes par Fran?ois Gros, PIFI n?35, IFP, 1968, p. 16) > > Thank you, > Anurupa > IFP > > On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote: >> >> For whatever its worth ? I?m tempted to provide some information from the Tamil parip??al (???????? : 3) where I see a mathematical counting starting from ?s?nya? / ?zero?. >> >> This poem, parip??al (???????? : 3), is dedicated to tirum?l (????????, Vishnu). >> >> Here, the numbers are counted as: p?? (????, meaning ?nothing solid/concrete/meaningful??), k?l (????, one quarter, 1/4), p?ku (????, one half, 1/2), o??u (?????, one), ira??u (??????, two), m???u (??????, three), n??ku (??????, four), ai?tu (?????, five), ??u (???, six), ??u (???, seven), e??u (?????, eight), to??u (??????, nine). >> >> ???? ??, ???? ??, ???? ??, ????? ??, >> ?????? ??, ?????? ??, ?????? ??, ????? ??, >> ??? ??, ??? ??, ????? ??, ?????? ??, >> ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ? >> >> Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a translation from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem. >> >> Thanks and regards, >> rajam >> >> >>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>> >>> Dr.Dahejia, >>> With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of "Sunnya" >>> 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa".. >>> 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further reference on this text can be furnished. >>> 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central America introduced the concept of zero. >>> >>> Would like to be enlightened more on this. >>> Regards >>> Alakendu Das. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY > >>> Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530 >>> To: Indology List > >>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya >>> >>> Friends: >>> >>> Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Hrtsha >>> Harsha V. 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URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 03:28:42 2022 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 08:58:42 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: References: <1658764053.S.1569.autosave.drafts.1658765945.18206@webmail.rediffmail.com> <752c257d-82cc-7d82-18d9-ce5071370f1b@ifpindia.org> Message-ID: Google translator gives 'You have the excellence said by the numbers of the ages of four kinds: Red-eyed black, Black-eyed white' for Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre sortes : Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:36 AM rajam via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Exactly! > > The part ? 'Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre > sortes : > Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs ? is crucial for understanding > ?s?nya? as a part of mathematical counting. > > In Tamil, it goes like this: > > ? *???* ????????? ????????? > > Thanks and Regards, > rajam > > > On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:48 PM, Anurupa Naik wrote: > > If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros' French > translation of *Paripatal* published by the French Institute: > > 75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes > C'est Toi qui les prot?ges sous une ombre unique. > Le n?ant, le quart, la moiti?, un > Deux, trois, quatre, cinq > Six, sept, huit, neuf : > 80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre sortes : > Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...] > > *(Le Parip??al. Texte tamoul*. Introduction, traduction et notes par > Fran?ois Gros, PIFI n?35, IFP, 1968, p. 16) > Thank you, > Anurupa > IFP > > On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > For whatever its worth ? I?m tempted to provide some information from the > Tamil parip??al (???????? : 3) where I see a mathematical counting > starting from ?s?nya? / ?zero?. > > This poem, parip??al (???????? : 3), is dedicated to tirum?l (????????, > Vishnu). > > Here, the numbers are counted as: p?? (????, meaning ?nothing > solid/concrete/meaningful??), k?l (????, one quarter, 1/4), p?ku (????, > one half, 1/2), o??u (?????, one), ira??u (??????, two), m???u (??????, > three), n??ku (??????, four), ai?tu (?????, five), ??u (???, six), ??u (???, > seven), e??u (?????, eight), to??u (??????, nine). > > ???? ??, ???? ??, ???? ??, ????? ??, > ?????? ??, ?????? ??, ?????? ??, ????? ??, > ??? ??, ??? ??, ????? ??, ?????? ??, > ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ? > > Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a translation > from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem. > > Thanks and regards, > rajam > > > On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dr.Dahejia, > With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of "Sunnya" > 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept > developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the principal of > "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa".. > 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text dating > back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of decimal system > ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further reference on this > text can be furnished. > 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with > respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central America > introduced the concept of zero. > > Would like to be enlightened more on this. > Regards > Alakendu Das. > > > > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android > > > > > From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY > Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530 > To: Indology List > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya > > Friends: > > Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the > sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? > > Kind regards, > > Hrtsha > Harsha V. Dehejia > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infohttps://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > -- > Ms. Anurupa Naik > Head, Library and Publication Division > French Institute of Pondicherry (IFP) > UMIFRE 21 CNRS-MAEE > P.B. 33 > 11, St. Louis Street > Pondicherry-605 001, INDIA > > Tel: 91-413-2231660 > Fax: 91-413-2231605 > e-mail: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org > website: www.ifpindia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Wed Jul 27 08:59:22 2022 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 10:59:22 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya In-Reply-To: References: <1658764053.S.1569.autosave.drafts.1658765945.18206@webmail.rediffmail.com> <752c257d-82cc-7d82-18d9-ce5071370f1b@ifpindia.org> Message-ID: <21760cf8-532f-2e88-c423-40a1d7094a12@univ-paris-diderot.fr> ??????????? (dear VSR) you might also want to see what Fran?ois Gros wrote in his end notes (on p. 182 of the same 1968 book) concerning lines 77-79 of Parip??al 3 ??????? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ???? ????? ????????? ??????? 77-79 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ P. retrouve dans cette ?num?ration les vingt-cinq tattva du S??khya: /p?L/, le n?ant (ou le z?ro) c'est le puru?a inactif; /k?l/, le quart, mais aussi "le germe", ce sont les cinq ?l?ments qui d?butent par l'?ther (i.e. les mah? bh?ta); /p?ku/ "division" (ou moiti?) ce sont les cinq karmendriy; /un/ c'est le son, qualit? de l'?ther; /deux/, le toucher, qualit? du vent; /trois/, la forme, qualite du feu; /quatre/, la saveur, qualit? de l'eau; /cinq/, l'odeur, qualit? de la terre; /six/, ce sont les cinq sens d'aperception (buddh?ndriy) et le manas, sens mental qui en d?termine la perception; /sept/, l'aha?k?ra; /huit/, la buddhi; /neuf/, la m?laprak?ti. L'expos? est complet et parfaite- ment correct; le seul probl?me demeure de savoir si P. n'a pas ici transpos? un peu abusivement la science du S??khya qu'il avait ?tal?e par ailleurs aussi brillamment dans le commentaire du /KuRa?/ 23. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [P. = ?????????? (Parim?la?akar)] ???????? -- Jean-Luc https://htl.cnrs.fr/equipe/jl-chevillard/ On 26/07/2022 21:06, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote: > Exactly! > > The part ? 'Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre > sortes : > Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs ? is crucial for > understanding ?s?nya? as a part of mathematical counting. > > In Tamil, it goes like this: > > ? *???* ????????? ????????? > > Thanks and Regards, > rajam > > >> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:48 PM, Anurupa Naik > > wrote: >> >> If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros' >> French translation of /Paripatal/ published by the French Institute: >> >> 75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes >> C'est Toi qui les prot?ges sous une ombre unique. >> Le n?ant, le quart, la moiti?, un >> Deux, trois, quatre, cinq >> Six, sept, huit, neuf : >> 80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des ?ges de quatre sortes : >> Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...] >> >> /(Le Parip??al. Texte tamoul/. Introduction, traduction et notes par >> Fran?ois Gros, PIFI n?35, IFP, 1968, p. 16) >> >> Thank you, >> Anurupa >> IFP >> >> On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote: >>> >>> For whatever its worth ? I?m tempted to provide some information from >>> the Tamil parip??al (???????? : 3) where I see a mathematical counting >>> starting from ?s?nya? / ?zero?. >>> >>> This poem, parip??al (???????? : 3), is dedicated to tirum?l (????????, >>> Vishnu). >>> >>> Here, the numbers are counted as: p?? (????, meaning ?nothing >>> solid/concrete/meaningful??), k?l (????, one quarter, 1/4),? p?ku >>> (????, one half, 1/2), o??u (?????, one), ira??u (??????, two), m???u >>> (??????, three), n??ku (??????, four), ai?tu (?????, five), ??u (???, >>> six), ??u (???, seven), e??u (?????, eight), to??u (??????, nine). >>> >>> ??????, ??????, ??????, ???????, >>> ????????, ????????, ????????, ???????, >>> ?????, ?????, ???????, ????????, >>> ???????????????????????????????? >>> >>> Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a >>> translation from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> rajam >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dr.Dahejia, >>>> With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of >>>> "Sunnya" >>>> 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept >>>> developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the >>>> principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa".. >>>> 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text >>>> dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of >>>> decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further >>>> reference on this text can be furnished. >>>> 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with >>>> respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central >>>> America introduced the concept of zero. >>>> >>>> Would like to be enlightened more on this. >>>> Regards >>>> Alakendu Das. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY >>>> Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530 >>>> To: Indology List >>>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya >>>> >>>> Friends: >>>> >>>> Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the >>>> sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism? >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Hrtsha >>>> Harsha V. 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Again, I can dig up PDFs of a few editions of J?va's work if needed. -- David Buchta, PhD Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of Classics Brown University On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:26 AM Johannes Bronkhorst < johannes.bronkhorst at unil.ch> wrote: > I also would be happy (and surprised) to see references to a divine origin > of Sanskrit. It is true that Sanskrit is *daiv? v?k* (Bhart?hari) ?divine > language? or ?language of the gods?, but this does not mean that is has a > divine origin. In Brahmanical circles, at least since K?ty?yana and Pata?jali, > Sanskrit is eternal and has no origin at all. > > Johannes Bronkhorst > > > > On 27 Jul 2022, at 13:36, Buchta, David via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Hi, > > George Cardona has a 1990 paper, "On Attitudes Towards Language in Ancient > India" that might be helpful. It was published as #15 of the Sino-Platonic > Papers from the Department of Oriental Studies at UPenn. I can dig up a PDF > as needed. > > Best, > Dave > -- > David Buchta, PhD > Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit > Department of Classics > Brown University > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 6:08 AM Gruenendahl, Reinhold < > gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de> wrote: > >> Dear list members, >> >> I would be very grateful for any references to the concept of a divine >> origin of Sanskrit in primary and/or secondary literature. >> >> >> With thanks in advance >> >> and best wishes >> >> Reinhold Gr?nendahl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Wed Jul 27 20:57:18 2022 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:57:18 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Divine origin of Sanskrit In-Reply-To: References: <8ea462fc092c48398739a0ebadca28ce@sub.uni-goettingen.de> <3632B41E-179C-4D3D-898D-66F74B703C63@unil.ch> Message-ID: I am now traveling and cannot look up references, but as I recall, one of the arguments that emerged in Ny?ya theology held that the existence of the Lord is proven because language requires a divine originator to stipulate the original conventions. Matthew Kapstein EPHE, Paris ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Buchta, David via INDOLOGY Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 5:52:15 PM To: Gruenendahl, Reinhold ; Indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Divine origin of Sanskrit Hi again, A further thought: J?va Gosv?min (16th c), at the opening of his Harin?m?m?tavy?kara?a, says "n?r?ya??d udbh?to'ya? var?akrama?." I have long suspected that he intended to imply a contrast between the "ordinary" sequence of sounds, which he says comes from N?r?ya?a, and the sequence presented by P??ini, which of course gets attributed to ?iva. Again, I can dig up PDFs of a few editions of J?va's work if needed. -- David Buchta, PhD Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of Classics Brown University On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:26 AM Johannes Bronkhorst > wrote: I also would be happy (and surprised) to see references to a divine origin of Sanskrit. It is true that Sanskrit is daiv? v?k (Bhart?hari) ?divine language? or ?language of the gods?, but this does not mean that is has a divine origin. In Brahmanical circles, at least since K?ty?yana and Pata?jali, Sanskrit is eternal and has no origin at all. Johannes Bronkhorst On 27 Jul 2022, at 13:36, Buchta, David via INDOLOGY > wrote: Hi, George Cardona has a 1990 paper, "On Attitudes Towards Language in Ancient India" that might be helpful. It was published as #15 of the Sino-Platonic Papers from the Department of Oriental Studies at UPenn. I can dig up a PDF as needed. Best, Dave -- David Buchta, PhD Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of Classics Brown University On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 6:08 AM Gruenendahl, Reinhold > wrote: Dear list members, I would be very grateful for any references to the concept of a divine origin of Sanskrit in primary and/or secondary literature. With thanks in advance and best wishes Reinhold Gr?nendahl _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Jul 27 22:17:10 2022 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 15:17:10 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Divine origin of Sanskrit In-Reply-To: References: <8ea462fc092c48398739a0ebadca28ce@sub.uni-goettingen.de> <3632B41E-179C-4D3D-898D-66F74B703C63@unil.ch> Message-ID: Ideas of divine origin of speech go back to the R?gveda: ????? ?????????? ????????? ?????????? ???? ?????? | ?? ?? ?????????????? ?????? ???????????????? ?????????? || ?????? 08.100.11. I am attaching an old article of mine surveying the Vedic ideas and ideas about the Vedas. Best, Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 1:57 PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I am now traveling and cannot look up references, but as I recall, one of > the arguments that emerged in Ny?ya theology held that the existence of the > Lord is proven because language requires a divine originator to stipulate > the original conventions. > > Matthew Kapstein > EPHE, Paris > ------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of > Buchta, David via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2022 5:52:15 PM > *To:* Gruenendahl, Reinhold ; Indology < > indology at list.indology.info> > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Divine origin of Sanskrit > > Hi again, > > A further thought: J?va Gosv?min (16th c), at the opening of his > Harin?m?m?tavy?kara?a, says "n?r?ya??d udbh?to'ya? var?akrama?." I have > long suspected that he intended to imply a contrast between the "ordinary" > sequence of sounds, which he says comes from N?r?ya?a, and the sequence > presented by P??ini, which of course gets attributed to ?iva. Again, I can > dig up PDFs of a few editions of J?va's work if needed. > -- > David Buchta, PhD > Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit > Department of Classics > Brown University > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:26 AM Johannes Bronkhorst < > johannes.bronkhorst at unil.ch> wrote: > > I also would be happy (and surprised) to see references to a divine origin > of Sanskrit. It is true that Sanskrit is *daiv? v?k* (Bhart?hari) ?divine > language? or ?language of the gods?, but this does not mean that is has a > divine origin. In Brahmanical circles, at least since K?ty?yana and Pata?jali, > Sanskrit is eternal and has no origin at all. > > Johannes Bronkhorst > > > > On 27 Jul 2022, at 13:36, Buchta, David via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Hi, > > George Cardona has a 1990 paper, "On Attitudes Towards Language in Ancient > India" that might be helpful. It was published as #15 of the Sino-Platonic > Papers from the Department of Oriental Studies at UPenn. I can dig up a PDF > as needed. > > Best, > Dave > -- > David Buchta, PhD > Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit > Department of Classics > Brown University > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 6:08 AM Gruenendahl, Reinhold < > gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de> wrote: > > Dear list members, > > I would be very grateful for any references to the concept of a divine > origin of Sanskrit in primary and/or secondary literature. > > > With thanks in advance > > and best wishes > > Reinhold Gr?nendahl > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 4:04 AM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Ideas of divine origin of speech go back to the R?gveda: > > ????? ?????????? ????????? ?????????? ???? ?????? | > ?? ?? ?????????????? ?????? ???????????????? ?????????? || ?????? > 08.100.11. > > I am attaching an old article of mine surveying the Vedic ideas and ideas > about the Vedas. Best, > > Madhav > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 1:57 PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> I am now traveling and cannot look up references, but as I recall, one of >> the arguments that emerged in Ny?ya theology held that the existence of the >> Lord is proven because language requires a divine originator to stipulate >> the original conventions. >> >> Matthew Kapstein >> EPHE, Paris >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of >> Buchta, David via INDOLOGY >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2022 5:52:15 PM >> *To:* Gruenendahl, Reinhold ; Indology < >> indology at list.indology.info> >> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Divine origin of Sanskrit >> >> Hi again, >> >> A further thought: J?va Gosv?min (16th c), at the opening of his >> Harin?m?m?tavy?kara?a, says "n?r?ya??d udbh?to'ya? var?akrama?." I have >> long suspected that he intended to imply a contrast between the "ordinary" >> sequence of sounds, which he says comes from N?r?ya?a, and the sequence >> presented by P??ini, which of course gets attributed to ?iva. Again, I can >> dig up PDFs of a few editions of J?va's work if needed. >> -- >> David Buchta, PhD >> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit >> Department of Classics >> Brown University >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:26 AM Johannes Bronkhorst < >> johannes.bronkhorst at unil.ch> wrote: >> >> I also would be happy (and surprised) to see references to a divine >> origin of Sanskrit. It is true that Sanskrit is *daiv? v?k* (Bhart?hari) >> ?divine language? or ?language of the gods?, but this does not mean that is >> has a divine origin. In Brahmanical circles, at least since K?ty?yana and >> Pata?jali, Sanskrit is eternal and has no origin at all. >> >> Johannes Bronkhorst >> >> >> >> On 27 Jul 2022, at 13:36, Buchta, David via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> George Cardona has a 1990 paper, "On Attitudes Towards Language in >> Ancient India" that might be helpful. It was published as #15 of the >> Sino-Platonic Papers from the Department of Oriental Studies at UPenn. I >> can dig up a PDF as needed. >> >> Best, >> Dave >> -- >> David Buchta, PhD >> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit >> Department of Classics >> Brown University >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 6:08 AM Gruenendahl, Reinhold < >> gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de> wrote: >> >> Dear list members, >> >> I would be very grateful for any references to the concept of a divine >> origin of Sanskrit in primary and/or secondary literature. >> >> >> With thanks in advance >> >> and best wishes >> >> Reinhold Gr?nendahl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- *Ananya Vajpeyi* https://www.csds.in/ananya_vajpeyi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In Brahmanical circles, at least since K?ty?yana and Pata?jali, > Sanskrit is eternal and has no origin at all. > > Johannes Bronkhorst > > > > On 27 Jul 2022, at 13:36, Buchta, David via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Hi, > > George Cardona has a 1990 paper, "On Attitudes Towards Language in Ancient > India" that might be helpful. It was published as #15 of the Sino-Platonic > Papers from the Department of Oriental Studies at UPenn. I can dig up a PDF > as needed. > > Best, > Dave > -- > David Buchta, PhD > Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit > Department of Classics > Brown University > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 6:08 AM Gruenendahl, Reinhold < > gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de> wrote: > >> Dear list members, >> >> I would be very grateful for any references to the concept of a divine >> origin of Sanskrit in primary and/or secondary literature. >> >> >> With thanks in advance >> >> and best wishes >> >> Reinhold Gr?nendahl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Senior Director, IndicA BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru BoS Rashtram School of Public Leadership Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Studies in Public Leadership Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 12:19:30 2022 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 17:49:30 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Divine origin of Sanskrit In-Reply-To: References: <8ea462fc092c48398739a0ebadca28ce@sub.uni-goettingen.de> <3632B41E-179C-4D3D-898D-66F74B703C63@unil.ch> Message-ID: > a contrast between the "ordinary" sequence of sounds, which he says comes from N?r?ya?a, and the sequence presented by P??ini, --- thanks for this useful distinction, Prof. Buchta. Panini's is a grammarian's arrangement, of course , believed to be a revelation to him as a 'flash' (revelation of ring structure of Benzene molecule to Kekule was certainly based on all his observations, data and brooding over the problem though the snake dream can be the 'flash' point. ref. Flash theory, a Gestalt theory of problem solving. ) Patanjali and Bhartrihari talk repeatedly about a grammarian's vyavahaaraashritatva , indicating their awareness of Panini's work being based on his observations, data and brooding over the problem Shiva's damaru story can be taken as analogous to the snake dream story. On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 5:35 PM Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > > but this does not mean that is has a divine origin > > -- thanks for this highly discerning statement, Prof. Bronkhorst. > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 7:57 PM Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> I also would be happy (and surprised) to see references to a divine >> origin of Sanskrit. It is true that Sanskrit is *daiv? v?k* (Bhart?hari) >> ?divine language? or ?language of the gods?, but this does not mean that is >> has a divine origin. In Brahmanical circles, at least since K?ty?yana and >> Pata?jali, Sanskrit is eternal and has no origin at all. >> >> Johannes Bronkhorst >> >> >> >> On 27 Jul 2022, at 13:36, Buchta, David via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> George Cardona has a 1990 paper, "On Attitudes Towards Language in >> Ancient India" that might be helpful. It was published as #15 of the >> Sino-Platonic Papers from the Department of Oriental Studies at UPenn. I >> can dig up a PDF as needed. >> >> Best, >> Dave >> -- >> David Buchta, PhD >> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit >> Department of Classics >> Brown University >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 6:08 AM Gruenendahl, Reinhold < >> gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de> wrote: >> >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> I would be very grateful for any references to the concept of a divine >>> origin of Sanskrit in primary and/or secondary literature. >>> >>> >>> With thanks in advance >>> >>> and best wishes >>> >>> Reinhold Gr?nendahl >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > Senior Director, IndicA > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra > BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. > Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru > BoS Rashtram School of Public Leadership > Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Studies in Public Leadership > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Senior Director, IndicA BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru BoS Rashtram School of Public Leadership Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Studies in Public Leadership Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vbd203 at googlemail.com Thu Jul 28 16:20:15 2022 From: vbd203 at googlemail.com (victor davella) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 17:20:15 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?b?SGlraXRhOiBTxIF0dHZhdGEgU2HhuYNoaXTEgSBD?= =?utf-8?q?hapter_12?= Message-ID: Dear all, Apologies for fishing again so soon for a pdf, but would someone happen to have Hikita's translation of the S?ttvata Sa?hit?, Chapter 12. I was able to find other chapters (here ) but the volume with needed article does not seem to be digitized (see here ). The reference I have is: S?ttvata Sa?hit?: An Annotated Translation, Chapter 12. In: Aichi gakuin daigaku ningen bunka kenky?jo kiy?. Ningen bunka 9 (1994), 190--149 [sic]. All the Best, Victor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vbd203 at googlemail.com Thu Jul 28 19:32:03 2022 From: vbd203 at googlemail.com (victor davella) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 20:32:03 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] =?utf-8?b?SGlraXRhOiBTxIF0dHZhdGEgU2HhuYNoaXTEgSBD?= =?utf-8?q?hapter_12?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to Lubomir for sending me the file. It can be downloaded here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zFidE1YSN7AhGZENDcdKuCtNh7SCYmlW/view?usp=sharing All the Best, Victor On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 5:20 PM victor davella wrote: > Dear all, > > Apologies for fishing again so soon for a pdf, but would someone happen to > have Hikita's translation of the S?ttvata Sa?hit?, Chapter 12. I was able > to find other chapters (here > ) > but the volume with needed article does not seem to be digitized (see here > ). The > reference I have is: > > S?ttvata Sa?hit?: An Annotated Translation, Chapter 12. In: Aichi gakuin > daigaku ningen bunka kenky?jo kiy?. Ningen bunka 9 (1994), 190--149 [sic]. > > All the Best, > Victor > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hellwig7 at gmx.de Sun Jul 31 11:02:10 2022 From: hellwig7 at gmx.de (Oliver Hellwig) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:02:10 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New version of Bloomfield's Vedic Concordance Message-ID: <8ccaef04-1df7-3666-eda2-ce760cdc9989@gmx.de> Dear all, a new XML version of Bloomfield's VC can be found here, along with a paper describing how we built it: https://github.com/OliverHellwig/sanskrit/tree/master/papers/2023wsc The new version is hopefully much easier to parse and and therefore more accessible for searching as well as for computational approaches. Best, Oliver --- Oliver Hellwig, IVS Z?rich/Universit?t D?sseldorf From kauzeya at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 11:21:36 2022 From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:21:36 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New version of Bloomfield's Vedic Concordance In-Reply-To: <8ccaef04-1df7-3666-eda2-ce760cdc9989@gmx.de> References: <8ccaef04-1df7-3666-eda2-ce760cdc9989@gmx.de> Message-ID: Dear Oliver Congratulations. While I am sure that this is widely known, I remember now decades ago Stanely Insler showing me his heavily annotated copy of Bloomfield. I have no idea what happened to this (I recall it as having been rebound in two volumes, but perhaps this is a faulty memory) but it would doubtless be very valuable if his notes could somehow be preserved. Certainly his students know more. Jonathan Silk On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 1:02 PM Oliver Hellwig via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all, > > a new XML version of Bloomfield's VC can be found here, along with a > paper describing how we built it: > > https://github.com/OliverHellwig/sanskrit/tree/master/papers/2023wsc > > The new version is hopefully much easier to parse and and therefore more > accessible for searching as well as for computational approaches. > > Best, Oliver > > --- > Oliver Hellwig, IVS Z?rich/Universit?t D?sseldorf > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > -- Prof. dr. J.A. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden Mailing address: Expeditie Postkamer Faculteit der Geesteswetenschappen Leiden University c/o Jonathan Silk, LIAS Cleveringplaats 1 2311 RD Leiden The Netherlands website: www.OpenPhilology.eu copies of my publications may be found at https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajam at earthlink.net Sun Jul 31 19:01:50 2022 From: rajam at earthlink.net (rajam) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2022 12:01:50 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New version of Bloomfield's Vedic Concordance In-Reply-To: <8ccaef04-1df7-3666-eda2-ce760cdc9989@gmx.de> References: <8ccaef04-1df7-3666-eda2-ce760cdc9989@gmx.de> Message-ID: <6C05083B-A92F-4F0D-AFED-6004BB562F2D@earthlink.net> Looks very impressive! Congratulations! Mere XML version may not be useful for those that are not software/programming savvy, I think. Any possibility of this data being represented in a visual mode, say for example, see Visual Thesaurus (https://www.visualthesaurus.com )? I?ve been wanting to create one for Tamil for many years now, but I don?t have enough resources, so my wishful thinking remains as such. I contacted the developers at Thinkmap.com long time ago; they sent me a sample SDK (software development kit); it was great, but I could not proceed further because I couldn?t afford the price for their SDK. You may want to try developing a Visual Thesaurus for your data. If you have the urge and willingness and enough resources ? you can contribute a marvelous search engine to the field of Indology! On your side, all you/one need(s) to know is some hands-on experience with HTML, XML, JavaScript and some latest Web Language such as PHP! With Best Wishes, rajam > On Jul 31, 2022, at 4:02 AM, Oliver Hellwig via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear all, > > a new XML version of Bloomfield's VC can be found here, along with a > paper describing how we built it: > > https://github.com/OliverHellwig/sanskrit/tree/master/papers/2023wsc > > The new version is hopefully much easier to parse and and therefore more > accessible for searching as well as for computational approaches. > > Best, Oliver > > --- > Oliver Hellwig, IVS Z?rich/Universit?t D?sseldorf > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: