[INDOLOGY] Re: Location of Pāṭalika of Loka Vibhāga

Fri Mar 12 04:51:34 UTC 2021

Dear Herman,

Thank you.

Yes, if the variant vicciya is considered, then there is no specific mountain named vicci mentioned here. Although Tamil Lexicon does not mention it, paruvi is a synonym for cotton as U. Vē. Sāminataiyar (UVS) explains in his commentary for Kuṟuntokai 72 and he cites Tēvāram 7.77.3 although he only cites the form vicci. 
UVS explains how cotton is also planted in millet fields on mountain slopes. Interestingly, UVS had cited Tēvāram 7.77.3 in his notes on Puṟanāṉūṟu 151 (in 1935 edition) where he explains vicci as a mountain!  Since the first edition of Kuṟuntokai was published in 1937, he probably had changed his view on what vicci meant in Tēvāram 7.77.3.

Regards,

Palaniappan

From: "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:54 AM
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Subject: Re: Location of Pāṭalika of Loka Vibhāga

Dear Sudalai,

Have you considered that vicciya in Tēvāram 7. 77. 3 is the spoken form of vittiya, the participle of vittutal, "sowing", and is no mountain name at all? paruvi could be a verbal participle of the verb paru(vu).

Herman

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Onderwerp: Re: Location of Pāṭalika of Loka Vibhāga 

Dear Herman,

In connection with Puṟanāṉūṟu 151 Auvai Turaicāmip Piḷḷai, the modern commentator, says that it was said that Vicci was said to be the name of a mountain, its surrounding region was Vicci Nāṭu and its ruler was Viccikkō. Piḷḷai essentially repeats the same information in relation to Puṟanāṉūṟu 200. Internal evidence in the poems shows that Vicci’s domain was mountainous.  We also know that an ancestor of this lineage was a person named Naṉṉaṉ. From other Classical Tamil works we know that one Naṉṉaṉ ruled the Eḻil mountain area (called Ezhimala in Kannur district in Kerala), not far from southern Karnataka. Another Naṉṉaṉ ruled in the Ceṅkam area near Tiruvaṇṇāmalai. 

We get a reference to a mountain associated with the name Vicci in Tēvāram 7.77.3 (https://www.ifpindia.org/digitaldb/site/digital_tevaram/U_TEV/DM7_77.HTM#p3). While earlier Tamil commentators did not pay much attention to ‘Paruvi’ associated with the Vicci mountain, Digital Tēvāram does. Digital Tēvāram seems to link Vicci mountain to Paruvi Viṣaya discussed by Karnataka historians. According to Lewis Rice ‘Paruvi’ (in the Paruvi viṣaya ) is the same as modern ‘Parigi’ in the Anantapur district (EI 14, p. 331). According to C. R. Krishnamacharlu, modern Vēlpumaḍugu in the same district was also in Paruvi-Viṣaya (EI 24, p. 238). With Tēvāram 7.77.3 describing the elephants of the Vicci mountain as taking bath in the river Kāvēri, the Vicci mountain has to be in the mountainous area in the Kāvēri valley in southern Karnataka. So, Paruvi mentioned by Tēvāram 7.77.3 cannot be the same as Paruvi in the Ananantapur district. Unfortunately, we have no idea which specific place in the Kāvēri valley was known as Paruvi near which the Vicci mountain was located.

Regards,

Palaniappan

From: "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Date: Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: Location of Pāṭalika of Loka Vibhāga

Correction

The gossip (about our love affair) is louder than the noise in Kuṟumpūr ...

Mind you, it is a rough paraphrase.

Herman

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Verzonden: donderdag 4 maart 2021 14:51:05
Aan: Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan; indology
Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Re: Location of Pāṭalika of Loka Vibhāga 

Dear Sudalaimuthu,

You ask for reactions. Mine is restricted to Kuṟuntokai 328 and Akanāṉūṟu 155.

The latter poem does indeed mention Pāṇāṭu (or pāṇāṭu), but as far as I can see the context does not provide any information about its position on the map of South India.

The case of Kuṟuntokai 328 is more complicated. It mentions a battle between the inhabitants of Kuṟumpūr, the Vicciyar, and the vēntar, or a king, or all the kings, of the great dynasties. I have not been able to locate the Vicciyar. However, a Vicikkō, or “Vicci king” is mentioned in Puṟanāṉūṟu 200,8 and a Vicci in Patiṟṟuppattu, Patikam 9, 4 (p. 384).

The second part of Kuṟ. 328 reads:

                        alarē

vilkeḻu tāṉai vicciyar perumakaṉ

vēntaroṭu poruta ñāṉṟaip pāṇar

pulinōkkuṟaḻnilai kaṇṭa

kalikeḻu kuṟumpūr ārppiṉum peritē.

Eva Wilden offers the following translation:

[The] gossip is louder than the roaring of bustling Kuṟumpūr, which has seen [kaṇṭa] the posture [nilai] of bards [pāṇar], resembling [uṟaḻ] tigers [puli] (exchanging) looks [nōkku], at a time when the great son of the Vicciyar with the bow-armed army fought with the kings [vēṇṭar].

As Wilden admits in the notes to this translation she herself could not make sense of the text. The translation is the outcome of consultations with Gopal Iyer.

In her edition Wilden has collected the variant readings of all the manuscripts and editions available. Unfortunately, she does not do anything with this material. For pulinōkkuṟaḻnilai (puli, “tiger”, nōkku, “look, gaze”, uṟaḻ, “resembling”, nilai, “posture” (and many other meanings, from the verb nil- “to stand, remain, stop”)) there are two interesting variants, puli-nēr-kuṟaḻ-nilai and puli-nēr-kuṟaḻaṉ-nilai. kuṟaḻaṉ in the latter may well stand for kuṟal̥aṉ, “dwarf”. The following is a rough paraphrase:

The gossip (about our love affair) is louder than that in Kuṟumpūr produced by the bards on the day of the battle between the Vicciyar with the great kings, which they (the bards) considered a case (nilai, but compare Skt nyāya) of a dwarf taking on (nēr, see DED 3132) a tiger.

I admit that all this is not really an answer to your question.

Herman   

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Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Location of Pāṭalika of Loka Vibhāga 

According to Lewis Rice, Lokavibhāga, a Jain Sanskrit work, possibly translated from Prakrit into Sanskrit, says it was copied in Śaka 380 (458 CE) in the 22nd year of Siṃhavarman, the lord of Kāñchi, by the Jain Muni Sarvanandin in the village named Pāṭalika in the Pāṇa-rāṣṭra. According to Rice (EI, vol.14, p. 334), "Pāṭalika, the village in which Sarvanandin made his copy, may be Pāṭalīpura, in the South Arcot District. The Periya-purāṇam makes it the seat of a large Jaina monastery in the 7th century. Pāṇarāṣhṭra is no doubt the territory of the Bāṇa kings." 

The village called Pāṭalika has been usually associated with Tiruppāṭirippuliyūr, a suburb of Cuddalore on the Tamil Nadu coast. Tamil Pātiri is the same as Pāṭali in Sanskrit. But we have another village called today as Pāṭirāppuliyūr (near Mailam) approximately 60 km to the northwest. Pātirai in Tamil is a variant of Pātiri. Thus the present form Pātirāppuliyūr could represent an ancient form Pātiraippuliyūr. This means Pāṭalika could be Pātirāppuliyūr too.  Which one was it really?  

Now we know that the ca. 6th century Vaṭṭeḻuttu inscription (Early Tamil Epigraphy, 2003, pp. 471 and 629), which mentions the name of a Jain teacher from Pāṇātu, is at Paṟaiyaṉpaṭṭu near Avalūrpēṭṭtai and about 68 km to the northwest of Pātirāppuliyūr. Kuṟuntokai 328 mentions a village called Kuṟumpūr which was probably close to the territory of the Pāṇar, where a battle was being fought.  I think the village of Kuṟumpūr approximately 68 km north of Pātirāppuliyūr and 13 km north of Vandavasi is probably the one mentioned in the poem. The attached Figure 1 shows the locations of Pātirāppuliyūr, Paṟaiyaṉpaṭṭu, and Kuṟumpūr.

The attached picture shows the locations of Jain temples near the north central Tamil Nadu. Looking at the density of Jain sites, it is clear Pātirāppuliyūr is right in the middle of them. But the Tiruppāṭirippuliyūr (Cuddalore) area hardly has any Jain sites. Certainly, what the Google map gives is the current picture. But the distribution of early Tamil inscriptions (2nd century BC- 6th century CE and most of them Jain) shows a similar concentration in this area as shown by Early Tamil Epigraphy Map 1 on p.34. 

Based on this, I propose that the location of Pāṭalika from where Lokavibhāga was copied is present day Pātirāppuliyūr and that Pāṇāṭu mentioned in Akam 155 and the Paṟaiyaṉpaṭṭu inscription and the Pāṇa-rāṣṭra mentioned in Lokavibhāga should be located in the general area where Pātirāppuliyūr, Paṟaiyaṉpaṭṭu, and Kuṟumpūr are located. 

While the area was known as Pāṇāṭu or Pāṇa-rāṣṭra from the time of Akam 155 to the 6th century, the Pāṇar rulers might have moved further north extending from northern Tamil Nadu into Telugu and Kannada regions by the 6th century. 

I welcome comments. 

Thanks in advance

Regards,

Palaniappan  

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