From Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at  Fri May  1 00:39:13 2020
From: Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at (Eltschinger, Vincent)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 00:39:13 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Stefano_Zacchetti_(1968=E2=80=932020)?=
In-Reply-To: <CAMGmO4+O7EoT42f0=_xoDm0q0RVaS-NJZJrB-1XQ3cbhBMedOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2451976f76394976a0b07833f270c25e@oeaw.ac.at>

Although I share my friend Jonathan Silk?s incapacity to write anything meaningful in the tragic circumstance of Stefano Zacchetti?s untimely (and, to me at least, still unbelievable) death, I would like to say just a few words as a token of my deep gratitude to and high admiration for him as an exquisite man and an exemplary scholar.
Stefano and I had been reading Chinese together and, more recently, Sanskrit. I owe him the little Chinese I know. Besides offering me the privilege of reading Kum?raj?va?s translations once a week (via Skype, already), he had been patiently answering all my questions with the wealth and breadth of textual, philological and linguistic information that characterized him. Stefano certainly was, at least in Europe and in America, the highest authority on Buddhist Chinese, but one could only be struck by his humility towards a(?) language the study of which was, in his opinion, still in its infancy and could bring much to the historical understanding of the evolution of literary Chinese. There was not a book or an opinion he was not aware of ? Stefano often quoted the much missed Seishi Karashima?s ideas on the meaning of such and such a word or the proper interpretation of such and such a grammatical or syntactic feature. He was one of the most generous and humble persons I have ever met with in this field, one of the sweetest, too, a highly learned man to whom nothing was indifferent, and who took delight in the conversations he had with his fellows at Balliol College, Oxford, more often than not with specialists of entirely different fields of research. The very idea of a border was something decidedly unintelligible and indecent to him. Although Stefano was deeply in love with his birthplace in the mountainous regions of northern Italy, he was, like any respectable person, a cosmopolitan mind who regarded Brexit and other eruptions of nationalistic pride as the most perfect expressions of stupidity and narrow-mindedness.
Several among my friends have been infected by the coronavirus. All of them managed to save their lives. Except Stefano, one of the most exquisite persons I knew of. He was almost my age, and for the first time in this terrific, not to say apocalyptic period, I have been able to see myself dead. It could just have been me. Unfortunately, it was him, and many of us in the field of Buddhist Studies are going to mourn his passing for the rest of our fragile lives.
Stefano, you?ll be with us forever.
Take good care, this thing is devilish.
Vincent



Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
Directeur d'?tudes
?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
________________________________
Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. April 2020 16:08:57
An: Indology
Betreff: [INDOLOGY] Stefano Zacchetti (1968?2020)

Dear Friends
It is with inconsolable grief that I write to inform you that my dear friend and close colleague Stefano Zacchetti, Professor at the University of Oxford, passed away yesterday.
An appropriate homage and remembrance will appear in due course. I find myself simply unable to write more now.
Jonathan Silk

--
J. Silk
Leiden University
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
2311 BZ Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Fri May  1 05:49:25 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 05:49:25 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Indische_Spr=C3=BCche?=
In-Reply-To: <27a7f6fda939413ca02385a905076f11@sub.uni-goettingen.de>
Message-ID: <DB7PR10MB2427C6F9EA9536B340298B3BA5AB0@DB7PR10MB2427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>


Thanks a lot to Reinhold and Phillipp for their responses. The GRETIL e-edition is as convenient as possible, short of an e-text.

I take the opportunity of asking if anyone knows who typed the attached file, which I received in a batch from a colleague, who doesn't remember from whom he got it. I am correcting the typing errors, adding the Old Javanese paraphrases, and formatting the whole in TEI. The resulting xml file will in due course be made available via suitable channels. I'd like to acknowledge the work of the person who typed the Sanskrit stanzas.

Arlo Griffiths





________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Gruenendahl, Reinhold via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:54 AM
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Indische Spr?che


Dear colleagues,

please note that the standard "Zweite vermehrte und verbesserte Auflage" (1870-1873) is available for download in the GRETIL e-library:


http://opac.sub.uni-goettingen.de/DB=1.20/TTL=1/FAM?PPN=659042797


In addition to a searchable text of the German translation, each PDF has an index/bookmarks according to initial letters and B?htlingk's running numbers -- but, alas, no searchable Sanskrit text.

Best wishes,
Reinhold Gr?nendahl



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Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. April 2020 09:07
An: INDOLOGY
Betreff: [INDOLOGY] Indische Spr?che

Dear colleagues,

I have just found this remarkable resource: <https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/boehtlingk1863ga>. But has any virtuous person created an e-text of the Indische Spr?che?

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths

B?htlingk, Otto von [Hrsg.]: Indische Spr?che, Sanskrit und Deutsch (St. Petersburg)<https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/boehtlingk1863ga>
Zu diesem Faksimile gibt es Annotationen. Einzelne Seiten mit Annotationen sind im "?berblick" durch das Symbol gekennzeichnet.
digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de



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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Fri May  1 06:36:26 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 08:36:26 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfqOMbY=k-5t04Rqaz-k5Tw3d72h+Grx0BOJaN1KsmEWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9903b582bf8020f772a750925258f4d9@univie.ac.at>


?? ?????? ??????? ???????????????? ?
??????? ??????? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ???? ?
??????????????? ??? ??????????? ??? ?
???? ???????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ?

Ah! Corona, Pandemic, Covid-19, there is no other than these and similar 
news, day in day out!
When will a country be declared free of the virus by a virus-free 
newspaper again?

Christian Ferstl

Am 30.04.2020 15:11, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ????????? ???? ?????? ?
> ????? ? ??????: ?
> 
> ??????? ???????
> ??????????????? ??: ??
> 
> Lucky is the bald man, who needs no effort nor expenditure. For us,
> the hairy ones, our life is passing by in worrying about our hair.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Fri May  1 07:14:06 2020
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 07:14:06 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
Message-ID: <e2a2b3a833064db4b6c0e58fabec3add@hum.leidenuniv.nl>

Dear List members,
At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
Herman



Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Fri May  1 07:28:03 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 07:28:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <e2a2b3a833064db4b6c0e58fabec3add@hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <AM6PR10MB2422B9E0715A75B43682F083A5AB0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I agree with Herman, but would like to go further: my personal preference would be to reserve this list for academic exchange of information, while other venues can be used for creative writing (and expressions of appreciation). I find myself so overwhelmed with the daily influx of email of all sorts that it has become difficult to give due attention to this list. The fact that messages of academic interest are now drowned out by the poets among us, and their fans, makes it even harder to profit from the information that circulates on this list ? and may also make it harder to get answers to questions if, as I fear, those who might otherwise be reading the list and ready to answer are, like me, experiencing a sense of inundation rather than distraction.

Arlo Griffiths

________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 7:14 AM
To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths


Dear List members,
At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
Herman



Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>


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From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr  Fri May  1 11:50:52 2020
From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 13:50:52 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR10MB2422B9E0715A75B43682F083A5AB0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <2e991c92-5141-83b0-fbad-d3cf40ec4c0c@univ-paris-diderot.fr>

I agree with Herman and Arlo,

I have been tempted to write about this for a long time,
ever since I read this tweet, on 28th march

https://twitter.com/elisa_freschi/status/1243964925317349376

but was afraid to contribute to the "noise" myself

I am glad Herman finally did it

-- Jean-Luc (in M?ssen)


https://twitter.com/JLC1956


https://tst.hypotheses.org/author/jlch

https://www.google.de/maps/@53.49484,10.57238,19z


On 01/05/2020 09:28, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY wrote:
> I agree with Herman, but would like to go further: my personal 
> preference would be to reserve this list for academic exchange of 
> information, while other venues can be used for creative writing (and 
> expressions of appreciation). I find myself so overwhelmed with the 
> daily influx of email of all sorts that it has become difficult to give 
> due attention to this list. The fact that messages of academic interest 
> are now drowned out by the poets among us, and their fans, makes it even 
> harder to profit from the information that circulates on this list ? and 
> may also make it harder to get answers to questions if, as I fear, those 
> who might otherwise be reading the list and ready to answer are, like 
> me, experiencing a sense of inundation rather than distraction.
> 
> Arlo Griffiths
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of 
> Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 1, 2020 7:14 AM
> *To:* indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
> 
> Dear List members,
> At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a 
> distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one 
> another like poets in a?kavisam?ja,?appropriate any longer, now that 
> colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
> Herman
> 
> 
> Herman Tieken
> Stationsweg 58
> 2515 BP Den Haag
> The Netherlands
> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
> website: hermantieken.com <http://hermantieken.com/>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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> 






From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Fri May  1 12:03:03 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 14:03:03 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lockdown verses
Message-ID: <285841f918b4d7d29ad8432ce7f80bb4@univie.ac.at>

Respected List Members,

I apologize to everyone who felt offended by my lockdown verses. It was 
not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings, of course.

Sincerely,
Christian Ferstl





From dominik.haas at univie.ac.at  Fri May  1 12:35:11 2020
From: dominik.haas at univie.ac.at (Dominik Haas)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 14:35:11 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lockdown verses
In-Reply-To: <285841f918b4d7d29ad8432ce7f80bb4@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <e8df58fc-0d5d-e9db-83ed-5e9c2a89d343@univie.ac.at>

Dear colleagues,

the poems have obviously become a delicate affair. I think it is clear 
that none of our poets have ever intended to ridicule the desease itself 
? let alone make fun of those who suffer from it. I'm sure that many on 
this list, being under lockdown at home, have enjoyed them once in a 
while (including myself). I think it's easy to ignore them (which I also 
frequently did), because the subject line is always the same.

On the other hand, it's clear that the topic is sensitive, and the 
argument that this an academic list is perfectly valid, I think. May I 
suggest a practical solution. What if those who intend to regularly 
compose poems create some kind of newsletter. Anyone interested in 
getting them could simply subscribe privately. This is just a 
suggestion. Another way would of course to found another list.

Best regards,

D Haas



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Am 01.05.2020 um 14:03 schrieb Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY:
> Respected List Members,
>
> I apologize to everyone who felt offended by my lockdown verses. It 
> was not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings, of course.
>
> Sincerely,
> Christian Ferstl
>
> _______________________________________________
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From franco at uni-leipzig.de  Fri May  1 13:12:48 2020
From: franco at uni-leipzig.de (Franco)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 15:12:48 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Stefano_Zacchetti_(1968=E2=80=932020)?=
In-Reply-To: <2451976f76394976a0b07833f270c25e@oeaw.ac.at>
Message-ID: <1FC1B277-1D2B-4067-8A03-7477416FF1F2@uni-leipzig.de>

Thank you, Vincent. Perhaps I may add an anecdote to remember Stefano. Prior to his illustrious career as a scholar of Buddhism, when he was still a student in Beijing, Stefano had a short, but quite successful career as an actor in Chinese movies. 
Best wishes,
Eli


Sent from my iPad

> On 01.05.2020, at 02:39, Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Although I share my friend Jonathan Silk?s incapacity to write anything meaningful in the tragic circumstance of Stefano Zacchetti?s untimely (and, to me at least, still unbelievable) death, I would like to say just a few words as a token of my deep gratitude to and high admiration for him as an exquisite man and an exemplary scholar.
> 
> Stefano and I had been reading Chinese together and, more recently, Sanskrit. I owe him the little Chinese I know. Besides offering me the privilege of reading Kum?raj?va?s translations once a week (via Skype, already), he had been patiently answering all my questions with the wealth and breadth of textual, philological and linguistic information that characterized him. Stefano certainly was, at least in Europe and in America, the highest authority on Buddhist Chinese, but one could only be struck by his humility towards a(?) language the study of which was, in his opinion, still in its infancy and could bring much to the historical understanding of the evolution of literary Chinese. There was not a book or an opinion he was not aware of ? Stefano often quoted the much missed Seishi Karashima?s ideas on the meaning of such and such a word or the proper interpretation of such and such a grammatical or syntactic feature. He was one of the most generous and humble persons I have ever met with in this field, one of the sweetest, too, a highly learned man to whom nothing was indifferent, and who took delight in the conversations he had with his fellows at Balliol College, Oxford, more often than not with specialists of entirely different fields of research. The very idea of a border was something decidedly unintelligible and indecent to him. Although Stefano was deeply in love with his birthplace in the mountainous regions of northern Italy, he was, like any respectable person, a cosmopolitan mind who regarded Brexit and other eruptions of nationalistic pride as the most perfect expressions of stupidity and narrow-mindedness.
> 
> Several among my friends have been infected by the coronavirus. All of them managed to save their lives. Except Stefano, one of the most exquisite persons I knew of. He was almost my age, and for the first time in this terrific, not to say apocalyptic period, I have been able to see myself dead. It could just have been me. Unfortunately, it was him, and many of us in the field of Buddhist Studies are going to mourn his passing for the rest of our fragile lives.
> 
> Stefano, you?ll be with us forever.
> 
> Take good care, this thing is devilish.
> 
> Vincent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
> Directeur d'?tudes 
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
> Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
> vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
> 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
> Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. April 2020 16:08:57
> An: Indology
> Betreff: [INDOLOGY] Stefano Zacchetti (1968?2020)
>  
> Dear Friends
> It is with inconsolable grief that I write to inform you that my dear friend and close colleague Stefano Zacchetti, Professor at the University of Oxford, passed away yesterday.
> An appropriate homage and remembrance will appear in due course. I find myself simply unable to write more now.
> Jonathan Silk
> 
> -- 
> J. Silk
> Leiden University
> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
> Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
> 2311 BZ Leiden
> The Netherlands
> 
> copies of my publications may be found at
> https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri May  1 13:48:53 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 06:48:53 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <e2a2b3a833064db4b6c0e58fabec3add@hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzecFsA=ghGSA7-5WF6CykJMA8tjzch58yjh2cPuyCojrA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Herman,
t
     I appreciate your message and your feelings.  For me, the situation
around me in the US with 60,000 dead, a million infected and the daily
numbers increasing by several thousand, is so depressing that if we do not
find some distraction, we will lose our mind.  I have already stopped
watching the news on TV, and each time I open the newspaper, it is only
with great trepidation. Without a distraction, we are continuously living
in hell.  I mean no disrespect to our colleagues and family friends who are
suffering and dying.  My Sanskrit verses help me retain some of my sanity
in an insane world. In any case,  I completely respect the reactions from
you and some other colleagues and will stop posting my verses on this
topic. With best regards,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 12:14 AM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear List members,
> At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a
> distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one
> another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that
> colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
> Herman
>
>
> Herman Tieken
> Stationsweg 58
> 2515 BP Den Haag
> The Netherlands
> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
> website: hermantieken.com
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl  Fri May  1 14:01:55 2020
From: j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl (Joanna Jurewicz)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 16:01:55 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzecFsA=ghGSA7-5WF6CykJMA8tjzch58yjh2cPuyCojrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAPrgbo5qJ=PfMXW_1WoZ1Ytvd173j-inOmqimqpecNQmU1ERA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I am a great fan of the corona-verses, but, of course, understand the
problem raised by prof. Tikken.

I am Polish and in my country sudden death caused e.g. by various enemies
(like Germans and Russians during the II WW) or by our compatriots (like
during Stalin's time, or during the martial law in 1981-84) was a normal
event and in my country, the more dangerous situation is, the more jokes
are created. I cannot imagine a difficult life without jokes. Now, our
political situation is also very dark (one man self-burnt in protest two
years ago), and I don't know how I could endure it without jokes, memes,
funny songs and videos. I think that such jokes do not derogate death, but
they are a sure way to survive even the most difficult situations.

So I would very appreciate the newsletter or any other kind of distribution
of corona-jokes if anyone would like to.

Regards and best wishes,

Joanna




---

Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz

Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia

Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz


pt., 1 maj 2020 o 15:50 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

> Dear Herman,
> t
>      I appreciate your message and your feelings.  For me, the situation
> around me in the US with 60,000 dead, a million infected and the daily
> numbers increasing by several thousand, is so depressing that if we do not
> find some distraction, we will lose our mind.  I have already stopped
> watching the news on TV, and each time I open the newspaper, it is only
> with great trepidation. Without a distraction, we are continuously living
> in hell.  I mean no disrespect to our colleagues and family friends who are
> suffering and dying.  My Sanskrit verses help me retain some of my sanity
> in an insane world. In any case,  I completely respect the reactions from
> you and some other colleagues and will stop posting my verses on this
> topic. With best regards,
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 12:14 AM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear List members,
>> At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a
>> distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one
>> another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that
>> colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
>> Herman
>>
>>
>> Herman Tieken
>> Stationsweg 58
>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>> The Netherlands
>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>> website: hermantieken.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
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From aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu  Fri May  1 14:11:08 2020
From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 14:11:08 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <CAAPrgbo5qJ=PfMXW_1WoZ1Ytvd173j-inOmqimqpecNQmU1ERA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR08MB3620661C2D9C594A8FFC6F99E7AB0@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Dear all,

I very much sympathize with Joanna's message, perhaps because of similar cultural conditioning. I found the verses here a welcome distraction. One easy way would be a Facebook group for accomplished and aspiring Sanskrit poets, if someone wants to set it up.

Best wishes,
Aleksandar


Aleksandar Uskokov

Lector in Sanskrit

South Asian Studies Council, Yale University

203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu

________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 10:01 AM
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths

Dear All,

I am a great fan of the corona-verses, but, of course, understand the problem raised by prof. Tikken.

I am Polish and in my country sudden death caused e.g. by various enemies (like Germans and Russians during the II WW) or by our compatriots (like during Stalin's time, or during the martial law in 1981-84) was a normal event and in my country, the more dangerous situation is, the more jokes are created. I cannot imagine a difficult life without jokes. Now, our political situation is also very dark (one man self-burnt in protest two years ago), and I don't know how I could endure it without jokes, memes, funny songs and videos. I think that such jokes do not derogate death, but they are a sure way to survive even the most difficult situations.

So I would very appreciate the newsletter or any other kind of distribution of corona-jokes if anyone would like to.

Regards and best wishes,

Joanna




---

Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz

Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia

Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fuw.academia.edu%2FJoannaJurewicz&data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7Ce1658a4d17ef4776673a08d7edd8570e%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637239385746854974&sdata=HAyCKCBItTmwuQPBw8NImYInGQgmCQPyeDCUhlq1PWM%3D&reserved=0>


pt., 1 maj 2020 o 15:50 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> napisa?(a):
Dear Herman,
t
     I appreciate your message and your feelings.  For me, the situation around me in the US with 60,000 dead, a million infected and the daily numbers increasing by several thousand, is so depressing that if we do not find some distraction, we will lose our mind.  I have already stopped watching the news on TV, and each time I open the newspaper, it is only with great trepidation. Without a distraction, we are continuously living in hell.  I mean no disrespect to our colleagues and family friends who are suffering and dying.  My Sanskrit verses help me retain some of my sanity in an insane world. In any case,  I completely respect the reactions from you and some other colleagues and will stop posting my verses on this topic. With best regards,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 12:14 AM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear List members,
At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
Herman



Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhermantieken.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7Ce1658a4d17ef4776673a08d7edd8570e%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637239385746854974&sdata=QLfydQGxooCiIaiiIJmIjkLkxp1KiGSkNt7kZ4dM1Zc%3D&reserved=0>
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From j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl  Fri May  1 14:18:21 2020
From: j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl (Joanna Jurewicz)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 16:18:21 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR08MB3620661C2D9C594A8FFC6F99E7AB0@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAAPrgbpwacj8ebv03naovWnmN17idVCR3E0STrR5aNsfUwwQ=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am also a great fan of the Russian jokes. My great-grandfather from my
mother's side was a Russian and my grand-father from my father's side was
born in Moscow. So I even inherited some of the "pre-revolutionary" jokes
(I do not know how to transcribe Russian into English properly, but I hope,
you know what I mean).

Let's do as you propose!

Best wishes,

Joanna

---

Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz

Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia

Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz


pt., 1 maj 2020 o 16:11 Uskokov, Aleksandar <aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu>
napisa?(a):

> Dear all,
>
> I very much sympathize with Joanna's message, perhaps because of similar
> cultural conditioning. I found the verses here a welcome distraction. One
> easy way would be a Facebook group for accomplished and aspiring Sanskrit
> poets, if someone wants to set it up.
>
> Best wishes,
> Aleksandar
>
> Aleksandar Uskokov
>
> Lector in Sanskrit
>
> South Asian Studies Council, Yale University
>
> 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 1, 2020 10:01 AM
> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am a great fan of the corona-verses, but, of course, understand the
> problem raised by prof. Tikken.
>
> I am Polish and in my country sudden death caused e.g. by various enemies
> (like Germans and Russians during the II WW) or by our compatriots (like
> during Stalin's time, or during the martial law in 1981-84) was a normal
> event and in my country, the more dangerous situation is, the more jokes
> are created. I cannot imagine a difficult life without jokes. Now, our
> political situation is also very dark (one man self-burnt in protest two
> years ago), and I don't know how I could endure it without jokes, memes,
> funny songs and videos. I think that such jokes do not derogate death, but
> they are a sure way to survive even the most difficult situations.
>
> So I would very appreciate the newsletter or any other kind of
> distribution of corona-jokes if anyone would like to.
>
> Regards and best wishes,
>
> Joanna
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>
> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>
> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>
> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>
> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>
> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>
> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>
> College of Human Sciences
>
> UNISA
>
> Pretoria, RSA
>
> Member of Academia Europaea
>
> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
> <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fuw.academia.edu%2FJoannaJurewicz&data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7Ce1658a4d17ef4776673a08d7edd8570e%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637239385746854974&sdata=HAyCKCBItTmwuQPBw8NImYInGQgmCQPyeDCUhlq1PWM%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
> pt., 1 maj 2020 o 15:50 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>
> Dear Herman,
> t
>      I appreciate your message and your feelings.  For me, the situation
> around me in the US with 60,000 dead, a million infected and the daily
> numbers increasing by several thousand, is so depressing that if we do not
> find some distraction, we will lose our mind.  I have already stopped
> watching the news on TV, and each time I open the newspaper, it is only
> with great trepidation. Without a distraction, we are continuously living
> in hell.  I mean no disrespect to our colleagues and family friends who are
> suffering and dying.  My Sanskrit verses help me retain some of my sanity
> in an insane world. In any case,  I completely respect the reactions from
> you and some other colleagues and will stop posting my verses on this
> topic. With best regards,
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 12:14 AM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear List members,
> At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a
> distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one
> another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that
> colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
> Herman
>
>
> Herman Tieken
> Stationsweg 58
> 2515 BP Den Haag
> The Netherlands
> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
> website: hermantieken.com
> <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhermantieken.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7Ce1658a4d17ef4776673a08d7edd8570e%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637239385746854974&sdata=QLfydQGxooCiIaiiIJmIjkLkxp1KiGSkNt7kZ4dM1Zc%3D&reserved=0>
> _______________________________________________
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> (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri May  1 14:21:38 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 07:21:38 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <CAAPrgbo5qJ=PfMXW_1WoZ1Ytvd173j-inOmqimqpecNQmU1ERA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd2ZBXocz=Qo8dGTY9EJ8z+1k3MDhsmycQRFK3DHrx_TQ@mail.gmail.com>

With no disrespect to Indology members, I am creating a separate mailing
list for those who are interested in sharing their poetry on this or any
other topic.  Please let me know in a private message if you would like to
be added to such a list.  With best regards,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 7:02 AM Joanna Jurewicz <j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I am a great fan of the corona-verses, but, of course, understand the
> problem raised by prof. Tikken.
>
> I am Polish and in my country sudden death caused e.g. by various enemies
> (like Germans and Russians during the II WW) or by our compatriots (like
> during Stalin's time, or during the martial law in 1981-84) was a normal
> event and in my country, the more dangerous situation is, the more jokes
> are created. I cannot imagine a difficult life without jokes. Now, our
> political situation is also very dark (one man self-burnt in protest two
> years ago), and I don't know how I could endure it without jokes, memes,
> funny songs and videos. I think that such jokes do not derogate death, but
> they are a sure way to survive even the most difficult situations.
>
> So I would very appreciate the newsletter or any other kind of
> distribution of corona-jokes if anyone would like to.
>
> Regards and best wishes,
>
> Joanna
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>
> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>
> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>
> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>
> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>
> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>
> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>
> College of Human Sciences
>
> UNISA
>
> Pretoria, RSA
>
> Member of Academia Europaea
>
> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>
>
> pt., 1 maj 2020 o 15:50 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>
>> Dear Herman,
>> t
>>      I appreciate your message and your feelings.  For me, the situation
>> around me in the US with 60,000 dead, a million infected and the daily
>> numbers increasing by several thousand, is so depressing that if we do not
>> find some distraction, we will lose our mind.  I have already stopped
>> watching the news on TV, and each time I open the newspaper, it is only
>> with great trepidation. Without a distraction, we are continuously living
>> in hell.  I mean no disrespect to our colleagues and family friends who are
>> suffering and dying.  My Sanskrit verses help me retain some of my sanity
>> in an insane world. In any case,  I completely respect the reactions from
>> you and some other colleagues and will stop posting my verses on this
>> topic. With best regards,
>>
>> Madhav
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 12:14 AM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear List members,
>>> At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a
>>> distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one
>>> another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that
>>> colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
>>> Herman
>>>
>>>
>>> Herman Tieken
>>> Stationsweg 58
>>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>>> The Netherlands
>>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>>> website: hermantieken.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
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From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Fri May  1 16:25:14 2020
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 16:25:14 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <e2a2b3a833064db4b6c0e58fabec3add@hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB0304CDC0A5C6FC839228B0DF8EAB0@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear Herman,

I hesitated to write a similar message until now, but I cannot hold myself any longer. I found the Sanskrit poems about the coronavirus disturbing from the very start and to me they were not a distraction, they represented rather the contrary. They were always a reminder of the fragility of our lives and in this incredibly sad moment, this is even more in my mind than ever. I haven't read a single one fully and I don't plan to read any in the future, regardless how refined their language might be. I just don't want to read them.

Best wishes,

Camillo

________________________________
From: Tieken, H.J.H. <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 8:14 AM
To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths


Dear List members,
At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
Herman



Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri May  1 17:28:12 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 11:28:12 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Scan of Shastri Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <A5B260AC-BB55-4E64-8BD5-BFE4F3ABBF52@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cd+5Tfp1hNCd=gVEmkBA_=DtiB+q_zMh-2WezHNSq82VA@mail.gmail.com>

The copy at http://catalogues.indology.info (#0170) is better quality.

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.


South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 08:27, Ryan Damron via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> I'm hoping someone on the list has a clean scan of Shastri?s *Descriptive Catalogue
> of Sanskrit Manuscripts in the Government Collection, Vol I: Buddhist
> Manuscripts.* The two scans available on archive.org are, for my purposes
> at least, illegible to the point of uselessness. And of course under the
> current conditions I do not have access to my library?s physical copy.
>
> Many thanks, and good wishes to all,
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Ryan Damron
> Doctoral Candidate
> Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies
> University of California, Berkeley
> 7233 Dwinelle Hall
> Berkeley, CA 94720-2520
> rdamron at berkeley.edu
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From dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com  Fri May  1 17:33:49 2020
From: dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com (Jeffery Long)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 17:33:49 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
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Message-ID: <1639613283.502999.1588354429590@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Colleagues,
I am sympathetic to the perspective of those who have been disturbed by the Sanskrit poems, though I have personally enjoyed them and have asked to be added to Madhav's new list.
At the risk of sounding preachy, I just want to note that many of the Indic traditions that those of us on this list study point out precisely the importance of reflecting on the fragility of our (material) existence. ?Only for those who are interested, I am sharing some reflections in this regard, by Swami Tyagananda, of the Ramakrishna Vedanta Society in Boston:
A Spiritual Response to the Virus ? Vedanta Society


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Shared in a spirit of helpfulness and solidarity,
Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Friday, May 1, 2020, 12:26:02 PM EDT, Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 #yiv4769026939 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Dear Herman,
I hesitated to write a similar message until now, but I cannot hold myself any longer. I found the Sanskrit poems about the coronavirus disturbing from the very start and to me they were not a distraction, they represented rather the contrary. They were always a reminder of the fragility of our lives and in this incredibly sad moment, this is even more in my mind than ever. I haven't read a single one fully and I don't plan to read any in the future, regardless how refined their language might be. I just don't want to read them.

Best wishes,
Camillo

From: Tieken, H.J.H. <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 8:14 AM
To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths?

Dear List members,At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one another like poets in a?kavisam?ja,?appropriate any longer, now that colleagues are actually dying of the virus.Herman





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From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Fri May  1 18:08:11 2020
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 18:08:11 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <1639613283.502999.1588354429590@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p5q0kelgtdkekgid84gbdm0h.1588356350939@email.android.com>

Dear Jeffery,


As I wrote, I reflect every single day about the fragility of our lives also because of what we study and research. Nevertheless, I object to the definition to distraction, not to the stanzas themselves. They are not a distraction, on the contrary. Moreover, I share Arlo's opinion and I cannot easily navigate the list as before due to the excessive number of messages on this topic - even if I skip them, it's still a nuisance.


Finally, with the precise intention of sounding preachy, I do not see anybody on this list writing poetry about countless other life-threatening situations in the world, such as for instance the terrible death toll of migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea and drowning horribly before reaching the shores of Southern Italy or Greece. Since I read every single day both Italian and British newspapers, my father lives alone in Lombardy (the epicentre of the epidemic in Italy) and we live in the UK, two of the most affected areas in the world, I don't share the need to read again on this list about the coronavirus in any form. I confess that the daily bulletin of deaths I follow daily on the worldometer website is enough for me.


Best wishes,


Camillo


Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone


---- Jeffery Long wrote ----

Dear Colleagues,

I am sympathetic to the perspective of those who have been disturbed by the Sanskrit poems, though I have personally enjoyed them and have asked to be added to Madhav's new list.

At the risk of sounding preachy, I just want to note that many of the Indic traditions that those of us on this list study point out precisely the importance of reflecting on the fragility of our (material) existence.  Only for those who are interested, I am sharing some reflections in this regard, by Swami Tyagananda, of the Ramakrishna Vedanta Society in Boston:

A Spiritual Response to the Virus ? Vedanta Society<https://vedantasociety.net/blog/a-spiritual-response>

<https://vedantasociety.net/blog/a-spiritual-response>
A Spiritual Response to the Virus ? Vedanta Society

Is there anything more that can be done? Those amongst us who take spiritual life seriously may want to ask th...

Shared in a spirit of helpfulness and solidarity,

Jeff

Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown College
Elizabethtown, PA

https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong

Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
Lexington Books

"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)

"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)



On Friday, May 1, 2020, 12:26:02 PM EDT, Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:


Dear Herman,

I hesitated to write a similar message until now, but I cannot hold myself any longer. I found the Sanskrit poems about the coronavirus disturbing from the very start and to me they were not a distraction, they represented rather the contrary. They were always a reminder of the fragility of our lives and in this incredibly sad moment, this is even more in my mind than ever. I haven't read a single one fully and I don't plan to read any in the future, regardless how refined their language might be. I just don't want to read them.

Best wishes,

Camillo

________________________________
From: Tieken, H.J.H. <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 8:14 AM
To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths


Dear List members,
At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
Herman



Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>
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From dxs163 at case.edu  Fri May  1 18:16:04 2020
From: dxs163 at case.edu (Deepak Sarma)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 14:16:04 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
In-Reply-To: <p5q0kelgtdkekgid84gbdm0h.1588356350939@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <E86B697B-948F-4FD8-927A-B88158FF69CD@case.edu>

All:
	I usually delete the poetry msgs. It has become so frequent and dominant that I considered unsubscribing this morning, which is sad, since this is supposed to be a scholarly list serve. Please post poetry (albeit skilled) and nonsense neo-Vedanta preaching for other lists and contexts, that Indology members can create on their own. Can the Indology admins please step in and make executive decisions about this before Indology becomes RISA-L?

sincerely secular and skeptical,

Deepak



Dr. Deepak Sarma

deepaksarma.com


Professor of Religious Studies

Professor of Bioethics (secondary appointment)
School of Medicine, Case Western Reserve University 

 
Curatorial Consultant, Department of Asian Art
Cleveland Museum of Art

Mailing Address:
Department of Religious Studies
Tomlinson Hall
2121 MLK Jr. Drive
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office: 216-368-4790
deepak.sarma at case.edu






> On May 1, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Jeffery, 
> 
> As I wrote, I reflect every single day about the fragility of our lives also because of what we study and research. Nevertheless, I object to the definition to distraction, not to the stanzas themselves. They are not a distraction, on the contrary. Moreover, I share Arlo's opinion and I cannot easily navigate the list as before due to the excessive number of messages on this topic - even if I skip them, it's still a nuisance.
> 
> Finally, with the precise intention of sounding preachy, I do not see anybody on this list writing poetry about countless other life-threatening situations in the world, such as for instance the terrible death toll of migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea and drowning horribly before reaching the shores of Southern Italy or Greece. Since I read every single day both Italian and British newspapers, my father lives alone in Lombardy (the epicentre of the epidemic in Italy) and we live in the UK, two of the most affected areas in the world, I don't share the need to read again on this list about the coronavirus in any form. I confess that the daily bulletin of deaths I follow daily on the worldometer website is enough for me. 
> 
> Best wishes, 
> 
> Camillo 
> 
> Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone
> 
> 
> ---- Jeffery Long wrote ----
> 
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> I am sympathetic to the perspective of those who have been disturbed by the Sanskrit poems, though I have personally enjoyed them and have asked to be added to Madhav's new list.
> 
> At the risk of sounding preachy, I just want to note that many of the Indic traditions that those of us on this list study point out precisely the importance of reflecting on the fragility of our (material) existence.  Only for those who are interested, I am sharing some reflections in this regard, by Swami Tyagananda, of the Ramakrishna Vedanta Society in Boston:
> 
> A Spiritual Response to the Virus ? Vedanta Society <https://vedantasociety.net/blog/a-spiritual-response>
> 
> A Spiritual Response to the Virus ? Vedanta Society
> Is there anything more that can be done? Those amongst us who take spiritual life seriously may want to ask th...
>  <https://vedantasociety.net/blog/a-spiritual-response>
> 
> Shared in a spirit of helpfulness and solidarity,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
> Elizabethtown College
> Elizabethtown, PA
> 
> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
> 
> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
> Lexington Books
> 
> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
> 
> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, May 1, 2020, 12:26:02 PM EDT, Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Herman,
> 
> I hesitated to write a similar message until now, but I cannot hold myself any longer. I found the Sanskrit poems about the coronavirus disturbing from the very start and to me they were not a distraction, they represented rather the contrary. They were always a reminder of the fragility of our lives and in this incredibly sad moment, this is even more in my mind than ever. I haven't read a single one fully and I don't plan to read any in the future, regardless how refined their language might be. I just don't want to read them.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Camillo
> 
> From: Tieken, H.J.H. <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>
> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 8:14 AM
> To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] corona deaths
>  
> Dear List members,
> At the risk of being a spoilsport, personally I do not find the "a distraction from the Coronavirus" mails, in which we try to outdo one another like poets in a kavisam?ja, appropriate any longer, now that colleagues are actually dying of the virus.
> Herman
> 
> 
> Herman Tieken
> Stationsweg 58
> 2515 BP Den Haag
> The Netherlands
> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
> website: hermantieken.com <http://hermantieken.com/>
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From adheesh1 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 19:48:56 2020
From: adheesh1 at gmail.com (adheesh sathaye)
Date: Fri, 01 May 20 12:48:56 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_COVID19-related_topics_&_k=C4=81vya_on_Indology?=
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Dear Colleagues,

As the on-duty representative of the Indology Admin Committee, I thought it might be prudent to intervene gently at this point regarding the matter of Sanskrit poetry and the coronavirus, lest this discussion foster a long cascade of follow-on emails in which we all share our opinions on the issue. I personally am deeply sympathetic to those who are grieving or are otherwise struggling to cope with the terrible cost of this pandemic, but I trust also that none of our respected contributors have ill intent in making their posts, poetic or otherwise, regarding COVID19.

To this end, I wanted to relay that shortly after the postings of Tieken and Griffiths, the Committee has initated an internal discussion to determine the best course of action going forward so that this situation may be handled with sensitivity and amity towards all of the 750+ subscribers to the list. Keeping in mind that we, too, are working in isolation and attending to our own professional responsibilities and personal circumstances, we would appreciate very much your patience in this matter as we work towards a solution. 

In the meantime, given that the principal poetic contributors have voluntarily and respectfully suspended their postings of Sanskrit k?vya, and that this is an unmoderated list, I would like to request that members might send further correspondence regarding the topic of Sanskrit k?vya and COVID19 to the committee, privately, at indology-owner at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-owner at list.indology.info>, rather than posting to the list as a whole.  

We certainly want to hear from you, as it will be extraordinarily helpful for us to get a diversity of individual perspectives and opinions as our Committee determines a consensus position. But, at least for the next few days, out of respect to list members who may be in mourning, in pain, or otherwise adversely impacted by this disease, I do kindly encourage that further sustained discussion of this topic be, at least temporarily, conducted off-list, and sent directly to the committee (indology-owner at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-owner at list.indology.info>).

I don?t think anyone on the Indology Committee would object to my saying that, on behalf of all of us, we offer our solidarity and deepest appreciation towards all of you, this extraordinarily gifted international scholarly community that we are so fortunate to serve, as we help each other get through these uncertain times, and as we grieve for those who have been taken away from us. 

With all best wishes,
Adheesh


?
Dr. Adheesh Sathaye
Associate Professor of Sanskrit Literature and South Asian Folklore 
Dept. of Asian Studies || University of British Columbia
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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Sat May  2 09:14:47 2020
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Sat, 02 May 20 09:14:47 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Online courses from Harvard University
Message-ID: <20200502091447.27313.qmail@f4mail-235-134.rediffmail.com>

To All,Can anybody furnish particulars of a few online courses related to Religion and Religious studies (chiefly on Hinduism, Buddhism etc) offered&nbsp; at Harvard University , USA.These courses are available now .Alakendu Das.



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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Sun May  3 08:35:35 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 10:35:35 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nVB6pzrJCf402-pJs4RY_bt2f60CANXAX4sSkUfmnrJOg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,



I take the advantage of the muted attempts at postmodern creative writing
in Sanskrit to post a request pertaining to the study of material culture
and social history in mediaeval India. My source is a representative of ?
if I might say so ? ?Sanskrit literary realism?, namely Kavi ?r?vara, who
depicts a technique of blinding in his *R?jatara?gi??* as it was practised
in Kashmir between c. AD 1472 and 1474.



Most of you will certainly be aware of the prevailing practice in South
Asia of using acid, and possibly of the touching blinding scene shown in
Slumdog Millionaire:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1Wxxcp7_Y



but what ?r?vara was watching as an eyewitness at the royal court he was
serving in Sultanate Kashmir was done differently. It comes closer to the
verbatim meaning of *netra-utp??ana* (?tearing out one?s eyes?), as they
seem to have gouged out the eyes of the victim, to wit, Bahr?m Kh?n,
pretender to the throne and uncle of the ruling Sultan Hassan:



*tasya t?l?cite netradvaye tapt?? ?al?kik?m* |

*Jonar?j?nako lauh?? d??n???rtham ad?payat* || III.107 ||



[107]In order to destroy [Bahr?m?s] eyesight, the R?j?naka Jona
administered a red-hot copper needle to [his] eyeballs, which had been
covered with cotton.



?r?vara comments:

*nairgh??yam ak?ihartur yat k????k?asya ca y? vyath?* |

*dvaya? na ?akyate vaktu? yath?rtha? m?d???? gir?* || III.108 ||



[108][Poets] like me have no words to express in an adequate manner the
heartlessness of the one who took his eyes and the agony of the one from
whom they were torn.



It is not the only instance of *netrotp??ana* in his work, however to my
present knowledge it is the only one to render precise details.

In preparation of a new edition and annotated translation of ?r?vara?s
masterpiece I would like to ask if someone might be aware of any other
source having preserved details of the techniques of blinding in India? My
request does not concern the undisputed occurrence of *netrotp??ana*, but
only the techniques, if known.



On- and off-list replies would be equally welcome.



Thanking you,



Walter Slaje


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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Sun May  3 13:26:40 2020
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 13:26:40 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
In-Reply-To: <CALoZ1nVB6pzrJCf402-pJs4RY_bt2f60CANXAX4sSkUfmnrJOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB4396C0B12F9A1EAEDA879F85A1A90@DM6PR11MB4396.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Walter,

I don't think that "touching" is the adjective that I would choose to describe the harrowing scene from the film you mention. (The connotation of the word in English is the arousing of positive sympathy.)

But that is not my main reason for responding. The reference to the use of a needle recalled a scene in Orhan Pamuk's novel Red set, not in India, but in Ottoman Turkey. Perhaps the practic e was rather widespread in earlier times.

best,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 3:35 AM
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding


Dear Colleagues,



I take the advantage of the muted attempts at postmodern creative writing in Sanskrit to post a request pertaining to the study of material culture and social history in mediaeval India. My source is a representative of ? if I might say so ? ?Sanskrit literary realism?, namely Kavi ?r?vara, who depicts a technique of blinding in his R?jatara?gi?? as it was practised in Kashmir between c. AD 1472 and 1474.



Most of you will certainly be aware of the prevailing practice in South Asia of using acid, and possibly of the touching blinding scene shown in Slumdog Millionaire:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1Wxxcp7_Y



but what ?r?vara was watching as an eyewitness at the royal court he was serving in Sultanate Kashmir was done differently. It comes closer to the verbatim meaning of netra-utp??ana (?tearing out one?s eyes?), as they seem to have gouged out the eyes of the victim, to wit, Bahr?m Kh?n, pretender to the throne and uncle of the ruling Sultan Hassan:



tasya t?l?cite netradvaye tapt?? ?al?kik?m |

Jonar?j?nako lauh?? d??n???rtham ad?payat || III.107 ||



[107]In order to destroy [Bahr?m?s] eyesight, the R?j?naka Jona administered a red-hot copper needle to [his] eyeballs, which had been covered with cotton.



?r?vara comments:

nairgh??yam ak?ihartur yat k????k?asya ca y? vyath? |

dvaya? na ?akyate vaktu? yath?rtha? m?d???? gir? || III.108 ||



[108][Poets] like me have no words to express in an adequate manner the heartlessness of the one who took his eyes and the agony of the one from whom they were torn.



It is not the only instance of netrotp??ana in his work, however to my present knowledge it is the only one to render precise details.

In preparation of a new edition and annotated translation of ?r?vara?s masterpiece I would like to ask if someone might be aware of any other source having preserved details of the techniques of blinding in India? My request does not concern the undisputed occurrence of netrotp??ana, but only the techniques, if known.



On- and off-list replies would be equally welcome.



Thanking you,



Walter Slaje


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun May  3 13:43:31 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 06:43:31 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
In-Reply-To: <CALoZ1nVB6pzrJCf402-pJs4RY_bt2f60CANXAX4sSkUfmnrJOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfxpTG=oVh_PmTauV_jAeB8TkU5sJZxhpvFCN4hN+Xy7g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Walter,

     In the history of the Maratha period, we have the example of Sambhaji
Raja being blinded by Aurangzeb by inserting hot metal sticks into his
eyes, and later he was killed.  Apparently, this punishment was not
uncommon. Best,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 6:15 AM Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
>
> I take the advantage of the muted attempts at postmodern creative writing
> in Sanskrit to post a request pertaining to the study of material culture
> and social history in mediaeval India. My source is a representative of ?
> if I might say so ? ?Sanskrit literary realism?, namely Kavi ?r?vara, who
> depicts a technique of blinding in his *R?jatara?gi??* as it was
> practised in Kashmir between c. AD 1472 and 1474.
>
>
>
> Most of you will certainly be aware of the prevailing practice in South
> Asia of using acid, and possibly of the touching blinding scene shown in
> Slumdog Millionaire:
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1Wxxcp7_Y
>
>
>
> but what ?r?vara was watching as an eyewitness at the royal court he was
> serving in Sultanate Kashmir was done differently. It comes closer to the
> verbatim meaning of *netra-utp??ana* (?tearing out one?s eyes?), as they
> seem to have gouged out the eyes of the victim, to wit, Bahr?m Kh?n,
> pretender to the throne and uncle of the ruling Sultan Hassan:
>
>
>
> *tasya t?l?cite netradvaye tapt?? ?al?kik?m* |
>
> *Jonar?j?nako lauh?? d??n???rtham ad?payat* || III.107 ||
>
>
>
> [107]In order to destroy [Bahr?m?s] eyesight, the R?j?naka Jona
> administered a red-hot copper needle to [his] eyeballs, which had been
> covered with cotton.
>
>
>
> ?r?vara comments:
>
> *nairgh??yam ak?ihartur yat k????k?asya ca y? vyath?* |
>
> *dvaya? na ?akyate vaktu? yath?rtha? m?d???? gir?* || III.108 ||
>
>
>
> [108][Poets] like me have no words to express in an adequate manner the
> heartlessness of the one who took his eyes and the agony of the one from
> whom they were torn.
>
>
>
> It is not the only instance of *netrotp??ana* in his work, however to my
> present knowledge it is the only one to render precise details.
>
> In preparation of a new edition and annotated translation of ?r?vara?s
> masterpiece I would like to ask if someone might be aware of any other
> source having preserved details of the techniques of blinding in India? My
> request does not concern the undisputed occurrence of *netrotp??ana*, but
> only the techniques, if known.
>
>
>
> On- and off-list replies would be equally welcome.
>
>
>
> Thanking you,
>
>
>
> Walter Slaje
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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Sun May  3 14:22:31 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 16:22:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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Dear Madhav and Matthew,

first, thank you for alerting me to my "touching" connotation blunder, and
second, yes, blinding - especially of pretenders to the throne - was
certainly not uncommon. To the references already given by you to Ottoman
and Mughal practices we can furthermore add Humayun?s blinding of his
brother Mirza Kamran and Jahangir?s blinding of his first son Khusrau by
using the needle (in 1607). In this context it is perhaps interesting to
note that what ?r?vara has reported dates only from Sultanate Kashmir of
the 15th century. To my knowledge no earlier occurrences are documented in
the R?jata?gi??s. Should we regard the practice of blinding with the needle
an Islamic import? How does this technique conform to the Sanskrit notion
of utp??ana ("tearing out"). This is why I was asking for evidence of
techniques from other and ideally pre-Islamic sources.

Thanks again,
Walter


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From aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu  Sun May  3 14:56:29 2020
From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 14:56:29 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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Dear Walter,

This is somewhat circumstantial as it does not pertain to South Asia (and is based largely on my High School memory, so -- take it with a grain of salt), but there is the tradition of the Battle of Kleidon / Belasitsa between the Byzantine Emperor Basil II and the Bulgarian (or Macedonian, as my countrymen would claim) Emperor Samuel, in 1014, when some 15,000 soldiers of Samuel were allegedly blinded by the Byzantine army by gouging out their eyes with knives (or some form of iron object). That would put the practice (or a similar practice) close to Turkey, as Matthew's reference from Orhan Pamuk suggests, but not quite in "Ottoman Turkey" yet. This suggests that the practice might be Byzantine in origin.

Best wishes,
Aleksandar


Aleksandar Uskokov

Lector in Sanskrit

South Asian Studies Council, Yale University

203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu

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Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 10:22 AM
To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding

Dear Madhav and Matthew,

first, thank you for alerting me to my "touching" connotation blunder, and second, yes, blinding - especially of pretenders to the throne - was certainly not uncommon. To the references already given by you to Ottoman and Mughal practices we can furthermore add Humayun?s blinding of his brother Mirza Kamran and Jahangir?s blinding of his first son Khusrau by using the needle (in 1607). In this context it is perhaps interesting to note that what ?r?vara has reported dates only from Sultanate Kashmir of the 15th century. To my knowledge no earlier occurrences are documented in the R?jata?gi??s. Should we regard the practice of blinding with the needle an Islamic import? How does this technique conform to the Sanskrit notion of utp??ana ("tearing out"). This is why I was asking for evidence of techniques from other and ideally pre-Islamic sources.

Thanks again,
Walter


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From palaniappa at aol.com  Sun May  3 15:51:18 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 10:51:18 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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In the Tamil Vai??ava hagiographic work ???yirappa?i Kuruparampar?prap?vam, the C??a king orders the two Vai??ava devotees Periyanampi and K?ratt??v?? to be punished with netrop??ana (the word netrop??anam is used in the text). Immediately K?ratt??v?? used his own nails to take out his own eyes while the king?s men carried out the orders on Periyanampi. (See p. 256 of the 2006 edition)

 

On the ?aiva side, we have the story of Ti??a? (who later is called by ?iva as ?Ka??appa? (the respectable person of the eye)) in the Periyapur??am in which Ti??a? takes out his own eyes with his arrow to replace the bleeding eyes of ?ivali?ga). Here is a sculpture of the episode. https://www.flickr.com/photos/26216916 at N05/2464433626/

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Walter Slaje <walter.slaje at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 8:15 AM
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding

 

Dear Colleagues,

 

I take the advantage of the muted attempts at postmodern creative writing in Sanskrit to post a request pertaining to the study of material culture and social history in mediaeval India. My source is a representative of ? if I might say so ? ?Sanskrit literary realism?, namely Kavi ?r?vara, who depicts a technique of blinding in his R?jatara?gi?? as it was practised in Kashmir between c. AD 1472 and 1474.

 

Most of you will certainly be aware of the prevailing practice in South Asia of using acid, and possibly of the touching blinding scene shown in Slumdog Millionaire:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1Wxxcp7_Y

 

but what ?r?vara was watching as an eyewitness at the royal court he was serving in Sultanate Kashmir was done differently. It comes closer to the verbatim meaning of netra-utp??ana (?tearing out one?s eyes?), as they seem to have gouged out the eyes of the victim, to wit, Bahr?m Kh?n, pretender to the throne and uncle of the ruling Sultan Hassan:

 

tasya t?l?cite netradvaye tapt?? ?al?kik?m |

Jonar?j?nako lauh?? d??n???rtham ad?payat || III.107 ||

 

[107]In order to destroy [Bahr?m?s] eyesight, the R?j?naka Jona administered a red-hot copper needle to [his] eyeballs, which had been covered with cotton.

 

?r?vara comments:

nairgh??yam ak?ihartur yat k????k?asya ca y? vyath? |

dvaya? na ?akyate vaktu? yath?rtha? m?d???? gir? || III.108 ||

 

[108][Poets] like me have no words to express in an adequate manner the heartlessness of the one who took his eyes and the agony of the one from whom they were torn.

 

It is not the only instance of netrotp??ana in his work, however to my present knowledge it is the only one to render precise details.

In preparation of a new edition and annotated translation of ?r?vara?s masterpiece I would like to ask if someone might be aware of any other source having preserved details of the techniques of blinding in India? My request does not concern the undisputed occurrence of netrotp??ana, but only the techniques, if known.

 

On- and off-list replies would be equally welcome.

 

Thanking you,

 

Walter Slaje

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From gerard.huet at inria.fr  Sun May  3 16:44:31 2020
From: gerard.huet at inria.fr (huet)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 18:44:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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Subandhu uses ?  netrotp??ana? mun?n?m ? in V?savadatt?, in a long list of evils that do not occur in King Cint?ma?i?s realm:

yatra ca ??sati dhara?ima??ala? chalanigrahaprayog? v?de?u, n?stikat? c?rv?ke?u, ka??akayogo niyoge?u, par?v?do v???su, khalasa?yoga? ??li?u, dvijihvasa?g?h?tir ?hitu??ike?u, kara[ccheda? k?ptakara]graha?e?u, netrotp??ana? mun?n??, r?javiruddhat? pa?kaj?n??, sarvabhaumayogo diggaj?n??, ??lasa?yogo yuvatiprasave, agnitul??uddhi? suvar??n??, du???sanadar?ana? bh?rate, karapatrad?ra?a? jalaj?n??, param eva? vyavasthitam | 

There is no tearing out of eyes there, except by munis, who rip off the bark of trees to make their ascetic garments.
So, by contraposition, at the time of Subandhu, gauging out eyes was already standard practice. 
[Y. Bronner. Extreme Poetry, p 42. 

G?rard


> Le 3 mai 2020 ? 16:22, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> Dear Madhav and Matthew,
> 
> first, thank you for alerting me to my "touching" connotation blunder, and second, yes, blinding - especially of pretenders to the throne - was certainly not uncommon. To the references already given by you to Ottoman and Mughal practices we can furthermore add Humayun?s blinding of his brother Mirza Kamran and Jahangir?s blinding of his first son Khusrau by using the needle (in 1607). In this context it is perhaps interesting to note that what ?r?vara has reported dates only from Sultanate Kashmir of the 15th century. To my knowledge no earlier occurrences are documented in the R?jata?gi??s. Should we regard the practice of blinding with the needle an Islamic import? How does this technique conform to the Sanskrit notion of utp??ana ("tearing out"). This is why I was asking for evidence of techniques from other and ideally pre-Islamic sources.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Walter
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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Sun May  3 17:49:16 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 19:49:16 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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Dear Aleksandar,

thank you, most certainly an almost global phenomenon, see the respective
entries in the English:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinding_(punishment)
and in the German Wikipedia (which provides additional evidence in
particular from the Ancient Near East and the Sassanian Empire):
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blendung_(Strafe)

Not only has the evidence from Tamil (Palaniappan), but also from Buddhist
texts shown that ut-pa? (caus.) was obviously the word used to express the
cutting out of an eyeball or the destruction of one?s eyesight. The
?ibij?taka (in ?rya??ra?s and in the Pali version) uses ut-p??ay- as well
in order to express these meanings (reference kindly provided by Roland
Steiner). In this J?taka, however, the careful removal of the eyeball of an
organ donor with a knife is dealt with: his eye must not be injured in
order to be able to be used by the organ recipient (could this become
another gateway for organ transplant fantasies?). Similarly, on the ?aiva
side, where ?Ti??a? takes out his own eyes with his arrow to replace the
bleeding eyes of ?ivali?ga?. By ?arrow? we must assume an arrow-head, which
is a small blade. Also on the Jaina side there is evidence for ?cutting
out? the eyes with a knife (netre ?astr?kayotp??ya, P?r?van?thacaritra of
Bh?vadevas?ri, reference kindly provided by Suhas Mahesh).
On the other hand, as we have seen, utp??ay- stands at the same time for
the destruction of eyeballs and of vision. Judging from the basic meaning
of the root ut-pa? (caus.: ?to tear up or out, pluck, pull out,
eradicate?), the ?cutting out? of the eyeballs would seem to be
historically closer to the original practice of blinding in India.
?Extraction? is a technical meaning of utp??ana in medical literature
(Meulenbeld,   HIML, 1A: 15, n. 158, another ref. by R. Steiner), which, it
is to assumed, is also carried out with the help of a blade. However,
according to the dictionaries, utp??ay can also mean ?to part asunder,
split? (apparently in medical texts).

A decision on the appropriate meaning rests accordingly on the instruments
respectively used: cutting is done with a blade, piercing with a needle.
They leave different marks on the victim and give him a different look.

If, which is anything but certain and therefore requires further research,
piercing of the retina by a needle was indeed an innovative, minimally
invasive, but highly effective blinding method introduced to India only
under Muslim rule, the translation of the verb utp??ay- needs to be adapted
to the corresponding technique (?cutting out? or ?piercing through?).

Regards,
Walter

Am So., 3. Mai 2020 um 16:56 Uhr schrieb Uskokov, Aleksandar <
aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu>:

> Dear Walter,
>
> This is somewhat circumstantial as it does not pertain to South Asia (and
> is based largely on my High School memory, so -- take it with a grain of
> salt), but there is the tradition of the Battle of Kleidon / Belasitsa
> between the Byzantine Emperor Basil II and the Bulgarian (or Macedonian, as
> my countrymen would claim) Emperor Samuel, in 1014, when some 15,000
> soldiers of Samuel were allegedly blinded by the Byzantine army by gouging
> out their eyes with knives (or some form of iron object). That would put
> the practice (or a similar practice) close to Turkey, as Matthew's
> reference from Orhan Pamuk suggests, but not quite in "Ottoman Turkey" yet.
> This suggests that the practice might be Byzantine in origin.
>
> Best wishes,
> Aleksandar
>
> Aleksandar Uskokov
>
> Lector in Sanskrit
>
> South Asian Studies Council, Yale University
>
> 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 3, 2020 10:22 AM
> *To:* Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> *Cc:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
>
> Dear Madhav and Matthew,
>
> first, thank you for alerting me to my "touching" connotation blunder, and
> second, yes, blinding - especially of pretenders to the throne - was
> certainly not uncommon. To the references already given by you to Ottoman
> and Mughal practices we can furthermore add Humayun?s blinding of his
> brother Mirza Kamran and Jahangir?s blinding of his first son Khusrau by
> using the needle (in 1607). In this context it is perhaps interesting to
> note that what ?r?vara has reported dates only from Sultanate Kashmir of
> the 15th century. To my knowledge no earlier occurrences are documented in
> the R?jata?gi??s. Should we regard the practice of blinding with the needle
> an Islamic import? How does this technique conform to the Sanskrit notion
> of utp??ana ("tearing out"). This is why I was asking for evidence of
> techniques from other and ideally pre-Islamic sources.
>
> Thanks again,
> Walter
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From alanus1216 at yahoo.com  Sun May  3 18:29:39 2020
From: alanus1216 at yahoo.com (Allen Thrasher)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 18:29:39 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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 I remember the Byzantine-Bulgarian (or Macedonian) incident that Aleksandar mentions from a course in Byzantine history given by Robert Lee Wolff many years ago. The Wikipedia articles Basil II, Byzantine Conquest of Bavaria, and Battle of Kleidion all confirm that Basil "the Bulgarslayer" divided the prisoners into groups of 100, and took our both eyes of 99 of them, leaving one eye to the remaining soldier to lead his comrades back home The last article adds that some Byzantine authorities gave smalller numbers for the prisoners, and also that Basil may have considered them traitors to himself and the Empire, and blinding was the usual punishment for traitors.

To give the Byzantines credit, blinding, castration, and mutilation of the nose were used against high-rank political rivals (aka 'traitors') as a substitute for and mitigation of execution.

Allen
     On Sunday, May 3, 2020, 10:57:18 AM EDT, Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 #yiv1430463984 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Dear Walter,?
This is somewhat circumstantial as it does not pertain to South Asia (and is based largely on my High School memory, so -- take it with a grain of salt), but there is the tradition of the Battle of Kleidon / Belasitsa between the?Byzantine Emperor Basil II and the Bulgarian (or Macedonian, as my countrymen would claim) Emperor Samuel, in 1014, when some 15,000 soldiers of Samuel were allegedly blinded by the Byzantine army by gouging out their eyes with knives (or some form of iron object). That would put the practice (or a similar practice) close to Turkey, as Matthew's reference from Orhan Pamuk suggests, but not quite in "Ottoman Turkey" yet. This suggests that the practice might be Byzantine in origin.?
Best wishes,Aleksandar?

Aleksandar Uskokov

Lector in Sanskrit?

South Asian Studies Council, Yale University?

203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu?
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 10:22 AM
To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding?Dear Madhav and Matthew,
first, thank you for alerting me to my "touching" connotation blunder, and second, yes, blinding - especially of pretenders to the throne - was certainly not uncommon. To the references already given by you to Ottoman and Mughal practices we can furthermore add Humayun?s blinding of his brother Mirza Kamran andJahangir?s blinding of his first son Khusrau by using the needle (in1607). In this context it is perhaps interesting to note that what ?r?vara has reported dates only from Sultanate Kashmir of the 15th century. To my knowledge no earlier occurrences are documented in the R?jata?gi??s. Should we regard the practice of blinding with the needle an Islamic import? How does this technique conform to the Sanskrit notion of utp??ana ("tearing out"). This is why I was asking for evidence of techniques from other and ideally pre-Islamic sources.

Thanks again,Walter
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From palaniappa at aol.com  Sun May  3 22:23:37 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 17:23:37 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Oxford University graduates from India in the early 20th century
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Dear list members,

 

I have a few questions regarding obtaining Oxford degrees by Indians in the early 20th century and how they are listed in their credentials. I have attached a few pages from the Travancore Almanac and Directory of 1924 (published in 1923) with some names highlighted. On p. 41, R. Dhanukoti Pillai is listed as having a B.A. (Oxon). But on p. 74, he is shown as B. A. (Honors) Oxon. What was the convention of listing B. A. (Honors) in a person?s qualifications?

 

On p. 88, we have K. Govinda Menon with an M.A., (Oxon) and T. Narayana Menon with a B.A., University Diploma in Forestry, Oxford University. I assume Govinda Menon obtained his M.A., from Oxford while Narayana Menon obtained a non-degree diploma from Oxford. 

 

Did Indian students have to travel to Oxford to study and get their degrees and diplomas? Or could they get their degrees and diplomas by studying at some affiliated universities/colleges in India taking exams in India? Was there a difference between degrees and diplomas with respect to these requirements?

 

Thanks

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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From yogacara at gmail.com  Mon May  4 00:33:14 2020
From: yogacara at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Sun, 03 May 20 20:33:14 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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Dear Walter, et al.

Yes, the most famous Biblical case (as noted in the German Wikipedia article) is the case of Samson.

Judges 16:21 (the story of Samson)

(??.  ?????????????? ????????????, ???????????? ???-???????; ???????????? ?????? ????????, ??????????????? ????????????????, ??????? ??????, ??????? ??????? (???????????. 

Sample English translations:

21 And the Philistines laid hold on him, and put out his eyes; and they brought him down to Gaza, and bound him with fetters of brass; and he did grind in the prison-house.
Judges 16:21 (NKJV) Then the Philistines took him and put out his eyes, and brought him down to Gaza. They bound him with bronze fetters, and he became a grinder in the prison.
Judges 16:21 (NRS) So the Philistines seized him and gouged out his eyes. They brought him down to Gaza and bound him with bronze shackles; and he ground at the mill in the prison.
?Da ergriffen ihn die Philister <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philister> und stachen ihm die Augen aus, f?hrten ihn hinab nach Gaza <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_(Stadt)> und legten ihn in Ketten; und er musste die M?hle drehen im Gef?ngnis.?

(Note: the German ?stachen ihm die Augen aus,? while using a verb, stachen, that could also mean to pierce, adds ?aus,? which has no Hebrew parallel.)

In fact the key phrase ???????????? ???-??????? va-yenaqru et-einaiyav is using a verb ??? naqar that allows both the meaning ?gouge out? and ?poke/pierce.? (va-yenaqru: va = prefix meaning ?and?, yenaqru = 3rd person plural past tense, ?they naqar-ed?; et = signals a direct object follows; einav = ?his eyes?).

?????
neqer (masculine noun)  ?puncture; pick, mortise chisel.?

??????
niqair (causative verb) ?to peck, to poke; to pierce, to puncture, to gouge out?

??????
nuqar (passive verb) ?to be pecked, to be poked; to be gouged out?

So while it is commonly interpreted to mean that Samson?s eyes were gouged out, it could also mean that they were pierced. Another masculine noun formed from the same verbal root is ?????? naqar, which means ?woodpecker.?

If one looks at other uses of the verb naqar in the Bible, in Job 30:17 it means to ?to pierce? (the bones). At Proverbs 30:17 it seems to mean ?pluck out? (those who look askance at their parents, the ravens will naqar their eyes to be eaten by young vultures). For other examples, see the Strong Index https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5365.htm <https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5365.htm> 

Dan

> On May 3, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Aleksandar,
> 
> thank you, most certainly an almost global phenomenon, see the respective entries in the English:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinding_(punishment) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinding_(punishment)>
> and in the German Wikipedia (which provides additional evidence in particular from the Ancient Near East and the Sassanian Empire):
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blendung_(Strafe) <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blendung_(Strafe)>
> 
> Not only has the evidence from Tamil (Palaniappan), but also from Buddhist texts shown that ut-pa? (caus.) was obviously the word used to express the cutting out of an eyeball or the destruction of one?s eyesight. The ?ibij?taka (in ?rya??ra?s and in the Pali version) uses ut-p??ay- as well in order to express these meanings (reference kindly provided by Roland Steiner). In this J?taka, however, the careful removal of the eyeball of an organ donor with a knife is dealt with: his eye must not be injured in order to be able to be used by the organ recipient (could this become another gateway for organ transplant fantasies?). Similarly, on the ?aiva side, where ?Ti??a? takes out his own eyes with his arrow to replace the bleeding eyes of ?ivali?ga?. By ?arrow? we must assume an arrow-head, which is a small blade. Also on the Jaina side there is evidence for ?cutting out? the eyes with a knife (netre ?astr?kayotp??ya, P?r?van?thacaritra of Bh?vadevas?ri, reference kindly provided by Suhas Mahesh).
> On the other hand, as we have seen, utp??ay- stands at the same time for the destruction of eyeballs and of vision. Judging from the basic meaning of the root ut-pa? (caus.: ?to tear up or out, pluck, pull out, eradicate?), the ?cutting out? of the eyeballs would seem to be historically closer to the original practice of blinding in India. ?Extraction? is a technical meaning of utp??ana in medical literature (Meulenbeld,   HIML, 1A: 15, n. 158, another ref. by R. Steiner), which, it is to assumed, is also carried out with the help of a blade. However, according to the dictionaries, utp??ay can also mean ?to part asunder, split? (apparently in medical texts).
> 
> A decision on the appropriate meaning rests accordingly on the instruments respectively used: cutting is done with a blade, piercing with a needle. They leave different marks on the victim and give him a different look.
> 
> If, which is anything but certain and therefore requires further research, piercing of the retina by a needle was indeed an innovative, minimally invasive, but highly effective blinding method introduced to India only under Muslim rule, the translation of the verb utp??ay- needs to be adapted to the corresponding technique (?cutting out? or ?piercing through?).
> 
> Regards,
> Walter
> 
> Am So., 3. Mai 2020 um 16:56 Uhr schrieb Uskokov, Aleksandar <aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu <mailto:aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu>>:
> Dear Walter, 
> 
> This is somewhat circumstantial as it does not pertain to South Asia (and is based largely on my High School memory, so -- take it with a grain of salt), but there is the tradition of the Battle of Kleidon / Belasitsa between the Byzantine Emperor Basil II and the Bulgarian (or Macedonian, as my countrymen would claim) Emperor Samuel, in 1014, when some 15,000 soldiers of Samuel were allegedly blinded by the Byzantine army by gouging out their eyes with knives (or some form of iron object). That would put the practice (or a similar practice) close to Turkey, as Matthew's reference from Orhan Pamuk suggests, but not quite in "Ottoman Turkey" yet. This suggests that the practice might be Byzantine in origin. 
> 
> Best wishes,
> Aleksandar 
> 
> Aleksandar Uskokov
> Lector in Sanskrit 
> South Asian Studies Council, Yale University 
> 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu <mailto:aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu> 
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 10:22 AM
> To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>>
> Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
>  
> Dear Madhav and Matthew,
> 
> first, thank you for alerting me to my "touching" connotation blunder, and second, yes, blinding - especially of pretenders to the throne - was certainly not uncommon. To the references already given by you to Ottoman and Mughal practices we can furthermore add Humayun?s blinding of his brother Mirza Kamran and Jahangir?s blinding of his first son Khusrau by using the needle (in 1607). In this context it is perhaps interesting to note that what ?r?vara has reported dates only from Sultanate Kashmir of the 15th century. To my knowledge no earlier occurrences are documented in the R?jata?gi??s. Should we regard the practice of blinding with the needle an Islamic import? How does this technique conform to the Sanskrit notion of utp??ana ("tearing out"). This is why I was asking for evidence of techniques from other and ideally pre-Islamic sources.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Walter
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From McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au  Mon May  4 03:33:41 2020
From: McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au (McComas Taylor)
Date: Mon, 04 May 20 03:33:41 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] World Sanskrit Conference postponed until 17-21 January 2022
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Dear Colleagues

Thank you for your interest and support in the 18th World Sanskrit Congress (WSC 2021), scheduled for 18-22 January 2021.

We have received a tremendous number of abstracts, which are currently under review, and many of you have already registered to attend the Congress.

Unfortunately, given the continued COVID-19 situation, and the uncertainty regarding international travel to Australia in early 2021, the Organising Committee has made the difficult decision to postpone WSC 2021 for 12 months.
The new scheduled dates are 17-21 January 2022, in Canberra, Australia
We realise that this may result in come inconvenience for those of you who had planned on attending in January 2021, and we thank you for your understanding and patience at this time.

So what happens now?

All abstracts that have been submitted are currently under review, and this will continue. Panel and Special Panel convenors are requested to continue to finalise the program based on the abstracts we have received. Authors will have the opportunity to withdraw or modify abstracts in early 2021, as desired.

If you have already registered to attend WSC 2021, your registration will be rolled over to 2022. Please contact us via email to wsc2021 at kaigi.com.au<mailto:wsc2021 at kaigi.com.au> if you would prefer to receive a full refund of your registration fee paid.

We look forward to seeing you in Australia in 2022!

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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon May  4 08:55:10 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 04 May 20 10:55:10 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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Dear Dan,



I consider it particularly revealing that, as you say, the ?verb ?naqar?
[?] allows both the meaning ?gouge out? and ?poke/pierce.??

The semantic scope of Hebrew *naqar* and Sanskrit *utp??ay*-, both of which
can apparently express both the meanings under discussion, seems to be
identical in the given context of blinding. It shows that one cannot draw
any compelling conclusions about the actual method from the verb alone.
*utp??ana* might probably have taken on the meaning of ?blinding? in a most
general way and therefore translates perhaps best as ?blinding?,
irrespective of the actual technique exercised on the victim.



On this occasion, let me bring an addendum to your notice, which parallels
a passage quoted already from Bh?vadevas?ri?s *P?r?van?thacaritra* (?*netre
?astr?kayotp??ya*?, 1.198c), and which I owe to Harunaga Isaacson:
*?astre?otp??ya
locanam* (K?emendra?s *Avad?nakalpalat?* 45.27). In both cases a cutting
tool (*?astra*) is used.

Haru also drew my attention to a hook-like instrument, perhaps a fishhook (
*ba?i?a*), which is mentioned in the *Padmapur??a* (23.144) as a tool used
for blinding. Since the passage however depicts tortures fancied to be
experienced in hell, the degree of reality is perhaps rather questionable.



I should like to express my gratitude to all, who have contributed valuable
references in such a helpful manner.



Kind regards,

WS


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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Mon May  4 09:38:05 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Mon, 04 May 20 11:38:05 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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Note that (beside the fact that one of the actors of the film, Irrfan Khan, recently died) the blinding with acid is the technique  recommended in A? 4,10.13 
(Tokunaga's input on GRETIL)
KAZ04.10.13/ ??drasya br?hma?a.v?dino deva.dravyam avast??ato r?ja.dvi??am ?di?ato dvi.netra.bhedina? ca yoga.a?janena^andhatvam, a??a.?ato v? da??a? //

(tr. R. Shamasastry  https://archive.org/details/Arthasastra_English_Translation <https://archive.org/details/Arthasastra_English_Translation> )
When a Sudra calls himself a Brahman, or when any person 
steals the property of gods, conspires against the king, or destroys 
both the eyes of another, he shall either have his eyes destroyed by 
the application of poisonous ointment, or pay a fine of 800 panas.
(Sorry, I have not Olivelle's translation at hand)

bW
Christophe

> Le 3 mai 2020 ? 15:26, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> Dear Walter,
> 
> I don't think that "touching" is the adjective that I would choose to describe the harrowing scene from the film you mention. (The connotation of the word in English is the arousing of positive sympathy.)
> 
> But that is not my main reason for responding. The reference to the use of a needle recalled a scene in Orhan Pamuk's novel Red set, not in India, but in Ottoman Turkey. Perhaps the practic e was rather widespread in earlier times.
> 
> best,
> Matthew
> 
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
> 
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 3:35 AM
> To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
>  
> Dear Colleagues,
>  
> I take the advantage of the muted attempts at postmodern creative writing in Sanskrit to post a request pertaining to the study of material culture and social history in mediaeval India. My source is a representative of ? if I might say so ? ?Sanskrit literary realism?, namely Kavi ?r?vara, who depicts a technique of blinding in his R?jatara?gi?? as it was practised in Kashmir between c. AD 1472 and 1474.
>  
> Most of you will certainly be aware of the prevailing practice in South Asia of using acid, and possibly of the touching blinding scene shown in Slumdog Millionaire:
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1Wxxcp7_Y <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ddy1Wxxcp7_Y&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cf6f215cdf0a4428c098608d7ef65b958%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637241092485205606&sdata=zG6NN86LcXPgqI%2BEHYStASVX39ahLZQNfEtum9wkASo%3D&reserved=0>
>  
> but what ?r?vara was watching as an eyewitness at the royal court he was serving in Sultanate Kashmir was done differently. It comes closer to the verbatim meaning of netra-utp??ana (?tearing out one?s eyes?), as they seem to have gouged out the eyes of the victim, to wit, Bahr?m Kh?n, pretender to the throne and uncle of the ruling Sultan Hassan:
>  
> tasya t?l?cite netradvaye tapt?? ?al?kik?m |
> Jonar?j?nako lauh?? d??n???rtham ad?payat || III.107 ||
>  
> [107]In order to destroy [Bahr?m?s] eyesight, the R?j?naka Jona administered a red-hot copper needle to [his] eyeballs, which had been covered with cotton.
>  
> ?r?vara comments:
> nairgh??yam ak?ihartur yat k????k?asya ca y? vyath? |
> dvaya? na ?akyate vaktu? yath?rtha? m?d???? gir? || III.108 ||
>  
> [108][Poets] like me have no words to express in an adequate manner the heartlessness of the one who took his eyes and the agony of the one from whom they were torn.
>  
> It is not the only instance of netrotp??ana in his work, however to my present knowledge it is the only one to render precise details.
> In preparation of a new edition and annotated translation of ?r?vara?s masterpiece I would like to ask if someone might be aware of any other source having preserved details of the techniques of blinding in India? My request does not concern the undisputed occurrence of netrotp??ana, but only the techniques, if known.
>  
> On- and off-list replies would be equally welcome.
>  
> Thanking you,
>  
> Walter Slaje
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From rembert at ochs.org.uk  Mon May  4 11:23:38 2020
From: rembert at ochs.org.uk (Rembert Lutjeharms)
Date: Mon, 04 May 20 12:23:38 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Book Announcement: The Legacy of Vaisnavism in Colonial Bengal
Message-ID: <CAPM+OO4KO5i3b=E4EwCF3E=s+Lfp+zikU0t0=Chr5R7mVSMrFg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Some of the members of this list may be interested in the recently
published book *The Legacy of Vai??avism in Colonial Bengal*, edited by my
colleagues Lucian Wong and Ferdinando Sardella (Routledge Hindu Studies
Series). More details about the book, including the table of contents, are
provided below.

Best wishes,
Rembert

*The Legacy of Vai??avism in Colonial Bengal*
Edited by Ferdinando Sardella and Lucian Wong
Routledge Hindu Studies Series

Bringing together scholars from across the disciplines of social and
intellectual history, philology, theology, and anthropology to
systematically investigate Vai??avism in colonial Bengal, this book
highlights the significant roles?religious, social, and cultural?that a
prominent Hindu devotional current played in the lives of wide and diverse
sections of colonial Bengali society. Not only does the book thereby enrich
our understanding of the history and development of Bengali Vai??avism, but
it also sheds valuable new light on the texture and dynamics of colonial
Hinduism beyond the discursive and social-historical parameters of an
entrenched Hindu ?Renaissance? paradigm.

*Contents*



*Introduction:* Vai??avism in colonial Bengal: beyond the Hindu Renaissance
<https://www.academia.edu/41873068/Vai%E1%B9%A3%E1%B9%87avism_in_Colonial_Bengal_Beyond_the_Hindu_Renaissance>

Lucian Wong and Ferdinando Sardella

*PART I *

*Recovering the legacy: how Vai??avas adopted colonial modalities *

*1 The afterlife of an avat?ra in modern times *

Varuni Bhatia

*2 Theorising Bengal Vai??avism: Bipin Chandra Pal and new perspectives on
religious life and culture *

Amiya P. Sen

*3 Vai??ava institutional processes in colonial Bengal *

Santanu Dey

*4 Baba Premananda Bharati: his trajectory into and through Bengal
Vai??avism to the West *

Gerald T. Carney

*5 Claiming high ground: Gau??ya missionising rhetoric on the adhik?ra of
worship *

Kenneth Valpey

*6 Directions for future research on Vai??avism in colonial Bengal *

Joseph O?Connell and Amiya P. Sen

*PART II *

*Contending the portrayal: how ethics shaped this religion of love*

*7 The power of the secret: the tantalising discourse of Vai??ava Sahajiy?
scholarship*

Tony K. Stewart

*8 Sahajiya texts of Nadia: beyond reform and revival *

Sukanya Sarbadhikary

*9 Love of woman: love of humankind? Interconnections between B?ul esoteric
practice and social radicalism *

Jeanna Openshaw

*10 Divine transgression: devotion and ethics in Bengali Vai??avism *

Kiyokazy Okita

*11 Colonial morals, Vai??ava quarrels: tracing the sources of
nineteenth-century anti-Sahajiy? polemics*

Lucian Wong



For more details, go to:
https://www.routledge.com/The-Legacy-of-Vainavism-in-Colonial-Bengal-1st-Edition/Sardella-Wong/p/book/9781138561793


To order a review copy, please complete the form at:
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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon May  4 11:57:38 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 04 May 20 13:57:38 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
In-Reply-To: <D65A3773-5A4C-4E05-8BDA-CF7BA1A0EA76@uclouvain.be>
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> blinding with acid is the technique recommended in A? 4,10.13

Is ?acid? the meaning of yog??jana?

Meyer translates ?Giftsalbe? (p. 352).
Kangle translates ?poisonous collyrium? (p. 282)
Olivelle translates ?toxic collyrium? (p. 422)

For the meaning of yog??jana in A? 4,10.13, Kangle and Olivelle both refer
to A? 14,1.15, where ?andh?kara?am a?janam? occurs. The preparation of this
substance with the power of blinding is defined there as:
?Dung of Myrna bird, pigeon, Baka-heron, Bal?k?-flamingo, made into a paste
with the milk of the plants Arka, Ak?i, P?luka, and Snuhi, produces a
collyrium that causes blindness and poisons water? (Olivelle 2013: 422).

It is well known that bird droppings consist of uric acid. Their mixture
with plant sap could indeed have resulted in a substance, which might be
seen as a premodern precursor of acid used in today?s attacks going by that
name. Our colleagues focussing on Indian alchemy and medicine will be able
to judge it better.

Regards,
WS


Am Mo., 4. Mai 2020 um 11:38 Uhr schrieb Christophe Vielle <
christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>:

> Note that (beside the fact that one of the actors of the film, Irrfan
> Khan, recently died) the blinding with acid is the technique  recommended
> in A? 4,10.13
> (Tokunaga's input on GRETIL)
> KAZ04.10.13/ ??drasya br?hma?a.v?dino deva.dravyam avast??ato r?ja.dvi??am
> ?di?ato dvi.netra.bhedina? ca yoga.a?janena^andhatvam, a??a.?ato v? da??a?
> //
>
> (tr. R. Shamasastry
> https://archive.org/details/Arthasastra_English_Translation )
>
> When a Sudra calls himself a Brahman, or when any person
> steals the property of gods, conspires against the king, or destroys
> both the eyes of another, he shall either have his eyes destroyed by
> the application of poisonous ointment, or pay a fine of 800 panas.
>
> (Sorry, I have not Olivelle's translation at hand)
>
> bW
> Christophe
>
> Le 3 mai 2020 ? 15:26, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
>
> Dear Walter,
>
> I don't think that "touching" is the adjective that I would choose to
> describe the harrowing scene from the film you mention. (The connotation of
> the word in English is the arousing of positive sympathy.)
>
> But that is not my main reason for responding. The reference to the use of
> a needle recalled a scene in Orhan Pamuk's novel *Red* set, not in India,
> but in Ottoman Turkey. Perhaps the practic e was rather widespread in
> earlier times.
>
> best,
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 3, 2020 3:35 AM
> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
> I take the advantage of the muted attempts at postmodern creative writing
> in Sanskrit to post a request pertaining to the study of material culture
> and social history in mediaeval India. My source is a representative of ?
> if I might say so ? ?Sanskrit literary realism?, namely Kavi ?r?vara, who
> depicts a technique of blinding in his *R?jatara?gi??* as it was
> practised in Kashmir between c. AD 1472 and 1474.
>
>
> Most of you will certainly be aware of the prevailing practice in South
> Asia of using acid, and possibly of the touching blinding scene shown in
> Slumdog Millionaire:
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1Wxxcp7_Y
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ddy1Wxxcp7_Y&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cf6f215cdf0a4428c098608d7ef65b958%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637241092485205606&sdata=zG6NN86LcXPgqI%2BEHYStASVX39ahLZQNfEtum9wkASo%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
> but what ?r?vara was watching as an eyewitness at the royal court he was
> serving in Sultanate Kashmir was done differently. It comes closer to the
> verbatim meaning of *netra-utp??ana* (?tearing out one?s eyes?), as they
> seem to have gouged out the eyes of the victim, to wit, Bahr?m Kh?n,
> pretender to the throne and uncle of the ruling Sultan Hassan:
>
>
> *tasya t?l?cite netradvaye tapt?? ?al?kik?m* |
> *Jonar?j?nako lauh?? d??n???rtham ad?payat* || III.107 ||
>
>
> [107]In order to destroy [Bahr?m?s] eyesight, the R?j?naka Jona
> administered a red-hot copper needle to [his] eyeballs, which had been
> covered with cotton.
>
>
> ?r?vara comments:
> *nairgh??yam ak?ihartur yat k????k?asya ca y? vyath?* |
> *dvaya? na ?akyate vaktu? yath?rtha? m?d???? gir?* || III.108 ||
>
>
> [108][Poets] like me have no words to express in an adequate manner the
> heartlessness of the one who took his eyes and the agony of the one from
> whom they were torn.
>
>
> It is not the only instance of *netrotp??ana* in his work, however to my
> present knowledge it is the only one to render precise details.
> In preparation of a new edition and annotated translation of ?r?vara?s
> masterpiece I would like to ask if someone might be aware of any other
> source having preserved details of the techniques of blinding in India? My
> request does not concern the undisputed occurrence of *netrotp??ana*, but
> only the techniques, if known.
>
>
> On- and off-list replies would be equally welcome.
>
>
> Thanking you,
>
>
> Walter Slaje
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon May  4 17:20:18 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 04 May 20 11:20:18 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
In-Reply-To: <9CD3B1E9-88D3-4F35-854F-675B9F0F12EE@gmail.com>
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"yog??jana" could mean "magic ointment" (magic<-yogic), or "an ointment
consisting of a medicinal compound."

The *sam?sa* may refer deictically to poisons or corrosive substances
(denotation), but that's not what the *sam?sa* means lexically (i.e.,
semantically).

*Arka*, Purple Calotropis <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calotropis>, is a
milkweed with a corrosive, poisonous sap. *Snuh?*, a spurge
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphorbia#Irritants>, similarly has white,
corrosive sap.  Etc.

Best,
Dominik


> blinding with acid is the technique recommended in A? 4,10.13
>
> Is ?acid? the meaning of yog??jana?
>
> Meyer translates ?Giftsalbe? (p. 352).
> Kangle translates ?poisonous collyrium? (p. 282)
> Olivelle translates ?toxic collyrium? (p. 422)
>
> For the meaning of yog??jana in A? 4,10.13, Kangle and Olivelle both refer
> to A? 14,1.15, where ?andh?kara?am a?janam? occurs. The preparation of this
> substance with the power of blinding is defined there as:
> ?Dung of Myrna bird, pigeon, Baka-heron, Bal?k?-flamingo, made into a
> paste with the milk of the plants Arka, Ak?i, P?luka, and Snuhi, produces a
> collyrium that causes blindness and poisons water? (Olivelle 2013: 422).
>
> It is well known that bird droppings consist of uric acid. Their mixture
> with plant sap could indeed have resulted in a substance, which might be
> seen as a premodern precursor of acid used in today?s attacks going by that
> name. Our colleagues focussing on Indian alchemy and medicine will be able
> to judge it better.
>


--
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,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon May  4 18:40:54 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 04 May 20 20:40:54 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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The passage talking about the substance resulting from a mixture of
specific bird droppings with specific plant saps only says that it causes
blindness (*andh?kara?am a?janam*):

*??rik?-kapota-baka-bal?k?-le??am arka-ak?i-p?luka-snuhi-k??rapi??am
andh?kara?am a?janam udakad??a?a? ca* || (A? 14,1.15)

?Dung of Myrna bird, pigeon, Baka-heron, Bal?k?-flamingo, made into a paste
with the milk of the plants Arka, Ak?i, P?luka, and Snuhi, produces a
collyrium that causes blindness and poisons water? (Olivelle 2013: 422)



The two translators refer to this *andh?kara?a a?jana* with a view to
establishing the meaning of *yog??jana* in A? 4,10.13.



As an interim summary let it be noted that

first, only (4 species of) birds are enumerated in this context. Their
droppings have high uric *acid* levels.

Second, the sap of the two identified plants (of altogether 4 plant
species), *arka* and *snuhi*, are spoken of as ?*corrosive*? (*arka*) and ?
*caustic*? (*snuhi*).

This is what the Wikipedia has to say about the spurge: ?The milky sap of
spurges (called ?latex?)? is said to have ?caustic effects?: ?In contact
with mucous membranes (eyes, nose, mouth), the latex can produce extremely
painful inflammation. The sap has also been known to cause mild to extreme
Keratouveitis, which affects vision. [?] wearing eye protection while
working in close contact with *Euphorbia* is advised. [?] *severe eye
damage including permanent blindness* may result from exposure to the sap.?



What effect would a conglomerate of highly acidic bird droppings and
caustic plant saps exercise on the unprotected eye? The notion of
?poisoning? is less likely than that of causing severe burns. So far
everything points therefore to "acid" as the technique of blinding
recommended in the A?, as spontaneously suggested by Christophe Vielle.



Regards,

WS

Am Mo., 4. Mai 2020 um 19:20 Uhr schrieb Dominik Wujastyk <
wujastyk at gmail.com>:

> "yog??jana" could mean "magic ointment" (magic<-yogic), or "an ointment
> consisting of a medicinal compound."
>
> The *sam?sa* may refer deictically to poisons or corrosive substances
> (denotation), but that's not what the *sam?sa* means lexically (i.e.,
> semantically).
>
> *Arka*, Purple Calotropis <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calotropis>, is
> a milkweed with a corrosive, poisonous sap. *Snuh?*, a spurge
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphorbia#Irritants>, similarly has white,
> corrosive sap.  Etc.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
>
> > blinding with acid is the technique recommended in A? 4,10.13
>>
>> Is ?acid? the meaning of yog??jana?
>>
>> Meyer translates ?Giftsalbe? (p. 352).
>> Kangle translates ?poisonous collyrium? (p. 282)
>> Olivelle translates ?toxic collyrium? (p. 422)
>>
>> For the meaning of yog??jana in A? 4,10.13, Kangle and Olivelle both
>> refer to A? 14,1.15, where ?andh?kara?am a?janam? occurs. The preparation
>> of this substance with the power of blinding is defined there as:
>> ?Dung of Myrna bird, pigeon, Baka-heron, Bal?k?-flamingo, made into a
>> paste with the milk of the plants Arka, Ak?i, P?luka, and Snuhi, produces a
>> collyrium that causes blindness and poisons water? (Olivelle 2013: 422).
>>
>> It is well known that bird droppings consist of uric acid. Their mixture
>> with plant sap could indeed have resulted in a substance, which might be
>> seen as a premodern precursor of acid used in today?s attacks going by that
>> name. Our colleagues focussing on Indian alchemy and medicine will be able
>> to judge it better.
>>
>
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
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From franco at uni-leipzig.de  Mon May  4 21:11:09 2020
From: franco at uni-leipzig.de (Eli Franco)
Date: Mon, 04 May 20 23:11:09 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
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If my memory does not fail me, Goldstein?s History of Modern Tibet  
contains a firsthand account of a high-ranking government official  
being blinded as a punishment. The technique applied first was to put  
pressure on the temples till the eyes would pop out. When this failed,  
his eyes were cut out with knives.
Best wishes, E.F.






Zitat von Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>:

> The passage talking about the substance resulting from a mixture of
> specific bird droppings with specific plant saps only says that it causes
> blindness (*andh?kara?am a?janam*):
>
> *??rik?-kapota-baka-bal?k?-le??am arka-ak?i-p?luka-snuhi-k??rapi??am
> andh?kara?am a?janam udakad??a?a? ca* || (A? 14,1.15)
>
> ?Dung of Myrna bird, pigeon, Baka-heron, Bal?k?-flamingo, made into a paste
> with the milk of the plants Arka, Ak?i, P?luka, and Snuhi, produces a
> collyrium that causes blindness and poisons water? (Olivelle 2013: 422)
>
>
>
> The two translators refer to this *andh?kara?a a?jana* with a view to
> establishing the meaning of *yog??jana* in A? 4,10.13.
>
>
>
> As an interim summary let it be noted that
>
> first, only (4 species of) birds are enumerated in this context. Their
> droppings have high uric *acid* levels.
>
> Second, the sap of the two identified plants (of altogether 4 plant
> species), *arka* and *snuhi*, are spoken of as ?*corrosive*? (*arka*) and ?
> *caustic*? (*snuhi*).
>
> This is what the Wikipedia has to say about the spurge: ?The milky sap of
> spurges (called ?latex?)? is said to have ?caustic effects?: ?In contact
> with mucous membranes (eyes, nose, mouth), the latex can produce extremely
> painful inflammation. The sap has also been known to cause mild to extreme
> Keratouveitis, which affects vision. [?] wearing eye protection while
> working in close contact with *Euphorbia* is advised. [?] *severe eye
> damage including permanent blindness* may result from exposure to the sap.?
>
>
>
> What effect would a conglomerate of highly acidic bird droppings and
> caustic plant saps exercise on the unprotected eye? The notion of
> ?poisoning? is less likely than that of causing severe burns. So far
> everything points therefore to "acid" as the technique of blinding
> recommended in the A?, as spontaneously suggested by Christophe Vielle.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> WS
>
> Am Mo., 4. Mai 2020 um 19:20 Uhr schrieb Dominik Wujastyk <
> wujastyk at gmail.com>:
>
>> "yog??jana" could mean "magic ointment" (magic<-yogic), or "an ointment
>> consisting of a medicinal compound."
>>
>> The *sam?sa* may refer deictically to poisons or corrosive substances
>> (denotation), but that's not what the *sam?sa* means lexically (i.e.,
>> semantically).
>>
>> *Arka*, Purple Calotropis <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calotropis>, is
>> a milkweed with a corrosive, poisonous sap. *Snuh?*, a spurge
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphorbia#Irritants>, similarly has white,
>> corrosive sap.  Etc.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>>
>> > blinding with acid is the technique recommended in A? 4,10.13
>>>
>>> Is ?acid? the meaning of yog??jana?
>>>
>>> Meyer translates ?Giftsalbe? (p. 352).
>>> Kangle translates ?poisonous collyrium? (p. 282)
>>> Olivelle translates ?toxic collyrium? (p. 422)
>>>
>>> For the meaning of yog??jana in A? 4,10.13, Kangle and Olivelle both
>>> refer to A? 14,1.15, where ?andh?kara?am a?janam? occurs. The preparation
>>> of this substance with the power of blinding is defined there as:
>>> ?Dung of Myrna bird, pigeon, Baka-heron, Bal?k?-flamingo, made into a
>>> paste with the milk of the plants Arka, Ak?i, P?luka, and Snuhi, produces a
>>> collyrium that causes blindness and poisons water? (Olivelle 2013: 422).
>>>
>>> It is well known that bird droppings consist of uric acid. Their mixture
>>> with plant sap could indeed have resulted in a substance, which might be
>>> seen as a premodern precursor of acid used in today?s attacks going by that
>>> name. Our colleagues focussing on Indian alchemy and medicine will be able
>>> to judge it better.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
>> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> sas.ualberta.ca
>>
>>


-- 
Prof. Dr. Eli Franco
Institut f?r Indologie und Zentralasienwissenschaften
Schillerstr. 6
04109 Leipzig

Ph. +49 341 9737 121, 9737 120 (dept. office)
Fax +49 341 9737 148







From karp at uw.edu.pl  Tue May  5 12:52:55 2020
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Tue, 05 May 20 14:52:55 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Techniques of Blinding
In-Reply-To: <20200504231109.Horde.x9bzus0jzNCNW9DAKXcTyQW@mail.uni-leipzig.de>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFvLgrip5HvAQWYUa60OneoPBwqhr3bgajme8NKe4eJyDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Blinding of Dalits:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/books/excerpt-chapter-on-the-blinding-of-the-gavai-brothers-from-dalit-panthers-an-authoritative-history/story-JoBqCKTFV3qMQyawL7Tu9I.html

Regards, AK

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pon., 4 maj 2020 o 23:11 Eli Franco via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

>
>
> If my memory does not fail me, Goldstein?s History of Modern Tibet
> contains a firsthand account of a high-ranking government official
> being blinded as a punishment. The technique applied first was to put
> pressure on the temples till the eyes would pop out. When this failed,
> his eyes were cut out with knives.
> Best wishes, E.F.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Zitat von Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>:
>
> > The passage talking about the substance resulting from a mixture of
> > specific bird droppings with specific plant saps only says that it causes
> > blindness (*andh?kara?am a?janam*):
> >
> > *??rik?-kapota-baka-bal?k?-le??am arka-ak?i-p?luka-snuhi-k??rapi??am
> > andh?kara?am a?janam udakad??a?a? ca* || (A? 14,1.15)
> >
> > ?Dung of Myrna bird, pigeon, Baka-heron, Bal?k?-flamingo, made into a
> paste
> > with the milk of the plants Arka, Ak?i, P?luka, and Snuhi, produces a
> > collyrium that causes blindness and poisons water? (Olivelle 2013: 422)
> >
> >
> >
> > The two translators refer to this *andh?kara?a a?jana* with a view to
> > establishing the meaning of *yog??jana* in A? 4,10.13.
> >
> >
> >
> > As an interim summary let it be noted that
> >
> > first, only (4 species of) birds are enumerated in this context. Their
> > droppings have high uric *acid* levels.
> >
> > Second, the sap of the two identified plants (of altogether 4 plant
> > species), *arka* and *snuhi*, are spoken of as ?*corrosive*? (*arka*)
> and ?
> > *caustic*? (*snuhi*).
> >
> > This is what the Wikipedia has to say about the spurge: ?The milky sap of
> > spurges (called ?latex?)? is said to have ?caustic effects?: ?In contact
> > with mucous membranes (eyes, nose, mouth), the latex can produce
> extremely
> > painful inflammation. The sap has also been known to cause mild to
> extreme
> > Keratouveitis, which affects vision. [?] wearing eye protection while
> > working in close contact with *Euphorbia* is advised. [?] *severe eye
> > damage including permanent blindness* may result from exposure to the
> sap.?
> >
> >
> >
> > What effect would a conglomerate of highly acidic bird droppings and
> > caustic plant saps exercise on the unprotected eye? The notion of
> > ?poisoning? is less likely than that of causing severe burns. So far
> > everything points therefore to "acid" as the technique of blinding
> > recommended in the A?, as spontaneously suggested by Christophe Vielle.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > WS
> >
> > Am Mo., 4. Mai 2020 um 19:20 Uhr schrieb Dominik Wujastyk <
> > wujastyk at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> "yog??jana" could mean "magic ointment" (magic<-yogic), or "an ointment
> >> consisting of a medicinal compound."
> >>
> >> The *sam?sa* may refer deictically to poisons or corrosive substances
> >> (denotation), but that's not what the *sam?sa* means lexically (i.e.,
> >> semantically).
> >>
> >> *Arka*, Purple Calotropis <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calotropis>,
> is
> >> a milkweed with a corrosive, poisonous sap. *Snuh?*, a spurge
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphorbia#Irritants>, similarly has
> white,
> >> corrosive sap.  Etc.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Dominik
> >>
> >>
> >> > blinding with acid is the technique recommended in A? 4,10.13
> >>>
> >>> Is ?acid? the meaning of yog??jana?
> >>>
> >>> Meyer translates ?Giftsalbe? (p. 352).
> >>> Kangle translates ?poisonous collyrium? (p. 282)
> >>> Olivelle translates ?toxic collyrium? (p. 422)
> >>>
> >>> For the meaning of yog??jana in A? 4,10.13, Kangle and Olivelle both
> >>> refer to A? 14,1.15, where ?andh?kara?am a?janam? occurs. The
> preparation
> >>> of this substance with the power of blinding is defined there as:
> >>> ?Dung of Myrna bird, pigeon, Baka-heron, Bal?k?-flamingo, made into a
> >>> paste with the milk of the plants Arka, Ak?i, P?luka, and Snuhi,
> produces a
> >>> collyrium that causes blindness and poisons water? (Olivelle 2013:
> 422).
> >>>
> >>> It is well known that bird droppings consist of uric acid. Their
> mixture
> >>> with plant sap could indeed have resulted in a substance, which might
> be
> >>> seen as a premodern precursor of acid used in today?s attacks going by
> that
> >>> name. Our colleagues focussing on Indian alchemy and medicine will be
> able
> >>> to judge it better.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
> >> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
> >> ,
> >>
> >> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> >> ,
> >>
> >> Department of History and Classics
> >> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> >> ,
> >> University of Alberta, Canada
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >> South Asia at the U of A:
> >>
> >> sas.ualberta.ca
> >>
> >>
>
>
> --
> Prof. Dr. Eli Franco
> Institut f?r Indologie und Zentralasienwissenschaften
> Schillerstr. 6
> 04109 Leipzig
>
> Ph. +49 341 9737 121, 9737 120 (dept. office)
> Fax +49 341 9737 148
>
>
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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Thu May  7 09:57:11 2020
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 11:57:11 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_satyakriy=C4=81_gesture?=
Message-ID: <4a816690-2647-156d-6b8e-9c30378e6c8d@gmail.com>

Dear listmembers,

For the interpretation of a J?taka mural I am in search for a 
description of a satyakriy? with additional details regarding specific 
gestures that have to be observed (during a satyakriy?), for example 
raised arms etc.
I checked the extensive secondary literatur without success. Not 
available for me is Thompson 1998 IIJ.

 ?Anyone can help?

Regards
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From aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu  Thu May  7 10:24:55 2020
From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 10:24:55 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_satyakriy=C4=81_gesture?=
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Dear Dr. Koch,

I am not sure what qualifies as satya-kriya, but there is the story of the Buddha who was tested by Mara while still a Bodhisattva, and who raised his right hand before touching the ground in the famous bhumi-sparsa-mudra, calling the earth to be the witness of his truthfulness.

Touching the ground is also, curiously, what the cat who ate the birds in the Hitopadesha story did, faking truthfulness.

Best wishes
Aleksandar


Aleksandar Uskokov

Lector in Sanskrit

South Asian Studies Council, Yale University

203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu

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Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:57 AM
To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] satyakriy? gesture

Dear listmembers,

For the interpretation of a J?taka mural I am in search for a
description of a satyakriy? with additional details regarding specific
gestures that have to be observed (during a satyakriy?), for example
raised arms etc.
I checked the extensive secondary literatur without success. Not
available for me is Thompson 1998 IIJ.

  Anyone can help?

Regards
Heiner

--
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From aparpola at gmail.com  Thu May  7 10:37:06 2020
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 13:37:06 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_satyakriy=C4=81_gesture?=
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Indeed:

Burlingame, Eugene Watson, 1917. The act of truth  (saccakiriya): A Hindu spell and its employment as a psychic motif in Hindu fiction. Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society 1917: 429-467. 
On the legendary context of the bh?mispar?a-mudr?

Best wishes, Asko Parpola

> On 7 May 2020, at 13.24, Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Dr. Koch,
> 
> I am not sure what qualifies as satya-kriya, but there is the story of the Buddha who was tested by Mara while still a Bodhisattva, and who raised his right hand before touching the ground in the famous bhumi-sparsa-mudra, calling the earth to be the witness of his truthfulness. 
> 
> Touching the ground is also, curiously, what the cat who ate the birds in the Hitopadesha story did, faking truthfulness. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Aleksandar  
> 
> Aleksandar Uskokov
> Lector in Sanskrit 
> South Asian Studies Council, Yale University 
> 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu <mailto:aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu> 
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:57 AM
> To: indology <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] satyakriy? gesture
>  
> Dear listmembers,
> 
> For the interpretation of a J?taka mural I am in search for a 
> description of a satyakriy? with additional details regarding specific 
> gestures that have to be observed (during a satyakriy?), for example 
> raised arms etc.
> I checked the extensive secondary literatur without success. Not 
> available for me is Thompson 1998 IIJ.
> 
>   Anyone can help?
> 
> Regards
> Heiner
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7C52bcb37263f94a0ea1cf08d7f26d1fa3%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637244422812790581&amp;sdata=G7QvukgPsfxA%2Fnj1VmADxxq3YUgD%2B8dznKr3YFDQkwY%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7C52bcb37263f94a0ea1cf08d7f26d1fa3%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637244422812790581&amp;sdata=G7QvukgPsfxA%2Fnj1VmADxxq3YUgD%2B8dznKr3YFDQkwY%3D&amp;reserved=0>
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From manufrancis at gmail.com  Thu May  7 10:46:44 2020
From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 12:46:44 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] DHARMA Project Blog
Message-ID: <CANVHsm43vxsphgkVMuG_feSe=fFem=fmZ6WjnjoR1xc=CBn0iw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

It is my pleasure to announce the existence of a blog dedicated to the
DHARMA Project (ERC Synergy Grant no. 809994, 2019-2025
<https://erc.europa.eu/projects-figures/erc-funded-projects/results?search_api_views_fulltext=DHARMA>)
with the following URL:

https://dharma.hypotheses.org/

The blog has been online for several months already and contains now enough
content, I hope, to be of interest.

Please note that:
- you will find blogposts appearing in the main page, but also pages in the
menu, that will be progressively enriched.
- the blog is furnished with RSS feeds.
- the blog is the primary communication and dissemination channel of the
project. In due time, it will be complemented with another website for the
epigraphical corpora from South and Southeast Asia that are the main focus
of the project (online editions and search facilities).

With very best wishes in this very strange days

Emmanuel FRANCIS <http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725>
Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
<http://ceias.ehess.fr/> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Project
Online CV HAL <https://cv.archives-ouvertes.fr/emmanuel-francis>
DHARMA <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> Project
<https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> (ERC synergy grant 2018)
TST Project <https://tst.hypotheses.org/> (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG)
Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India <http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/>
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From helene.debrux at gmail.com  Thu May  7 11:23:11 2020
From: helene.debrux at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?H=C3=A9l=C3=A8ne_de_Brux?=)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 13:23:11 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_satyakriy=C4=81_gesture?=
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Dear Dr. Koch,

In the Avad?na?ataka (I. 9, Dh?p?vad?na) is mentioned a contest between a
Buddhist and a religious opponent, taking place through a "declaration of
truth" (satyavacanam) - a similar term for satyakriy?. Before making his
declaration, the Buddhist is described as throwing back his cloth on his
shoulder and putting his right knee to the ground. This is also an
interesting echo of the idea of the bh?mispar?a-mudr?.

With best wishes,

H?l?ne de Brux

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:37 PM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Indeed:
>
> Burlingame, Eugene Watson, 1917. The act of truth  (saccakiriya): A Hindu
> spell and its employment as a psychic motif in Hindu fiction. Journal of
> the Royal Asiatic Society 1917: 429-467.
> On the legendary context of the bh?mispar?a-mudr?
>
> Best wishes, Asko Parpola
>
> On 7 May 2020, at 13.24, Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Dr. Koch,
>
> I am not sure what qualifies as satya-kriya, but there is the story of the
> Buddha who was tested by Mara while still a Bodhisattva, and who raised his
> right hand before touching the ground in the famous bhumi-sparsa-mudra,
> calling the earth to be the witness of his truthfulness.
>
> Touching the ground is also, curiously, what the cat who ate the birds in
> the Hitopadesha story did, faking truthfulness.
>
> Best wishes
> Aleksandar
>
> Aleksandar Uskokov
> Lector in Sanskrit
> South Asian Studies Council, Yale University
> 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Rolf
> Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:57 AM
> *To:* indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] satyakriy? gesture
>
> Dear listmembers,
>
> For the interpretation of a J?taka mural I am in search for a
> description of a satyakriy? with additional details regarding specific
> gestures that have to be observed (during a satyakriy?), for example
> raised arms etc.
> I checked the extensive secondary literatur without success. Not
> available for me is Thompson 1998 IIJ.
>
>   Anyone can help?
>
> Regards
> Heiner
>
> --
> Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch
>
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7C52bcb37263f94a0ea1cf08d7f26d1fa3%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637244422812790581&amp;sdata=G7QvukgPsfxA%2Fnj1VmADxxq3YUgD%2B8dznKr3YFDQkwY%3D&amp;reserved=0
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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Thu May  7 13:01:34 2020
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (rrocher)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 09:01:34 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_satyakriy=C4=81_gesture?=
In-Reply-To: <4a816690-2647-156d-6b8e-9c30378e6c8d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <de898145-b9f2-becf-5e6a-3cfa883f2a27@sas.upenn.edu>

W. Norman Brown, "Duty as Truth in Ancient India," /Proceedings//of the 
American Philosophical Society, /vol. 116, 1972, pp. 252?268.? Reprinted 
in /India and Indology, Selected articles by W. Norman Brown, /edited by 
Rosane Rocher, Delhi, Motilal Banarsidass, 1978, pp. 102?119.? The 
article includes translations of texts on /satyakriy?. /

Best wishes,
Rosane Rocher

On 5/7/20 5:57 AM, Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY wrote:

> Dear listmembers,
>
> For the interpretation of a J?taka mural I am in search for a 
> description of a satyakriy? with additional details regarding specific 
> gestures that have to be observed (during a satyakriy?), for example 
> raised arms etc.
> I checked the extensive secondary literatur without success. Not 
> available for me is Thompson 1998 IIJ.
>
> ?Anyone can help?
>
> Regards
> Heiner
>


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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Thu May  7 13:15:23 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 15:15:23 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_satyakriy=C4=81_gesture?=
In-Reply-To: <de898145-b9f2-becf-5e6a-3cfa883f2a27@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nWbOxSt_Fm1ygR71w=_0mYa0QCWhryuj4OXbAAKppZYpg@mail.gmail.com>

A keyword search done for "satyakriy?" in the SARDS3 database
(http://www.sards.uni-halle.de/?do=query)
resulted in 9 hits.

Regards,
WS

Am Do., 7. Mai 2020 um 15:02 Uhr schrieb rrocher via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> W. Norman Brown, "Duty as Truth in Ancient India," *Proceedings** of the
> American Philosophical Society, *vol. 116, 1972, pp. 252?268.  Reprinted
> in *India and Indology, Selected articles by W. Norman Brown, *edited by
> Rosane Rocher, Delhi, Motilal Banarsidass, 1978, pp. 102?119.  The article
> includes translations of texts on *satyakriy?. *
> Best wishes,
> Rosane Rocher
>
> On 5/7/20 5:57 AM, Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY wrote:
>
> Dear listmembers,
>
> For the interpretation of a J?taka mural I am in search for a description
> of a satyakriy? with additional details regarding specific gestures that
> have to be observed (during a satyakriy?), for example raised arms etc.
> I checked the extensive secondary literatur without success. Not available
> for me is Thompson 1998 IIJ.
>
>  Anyone can help?
>
> Regards
> Heiner
>
> _______________________________________________
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From stella.sandahl at gmail.com  Thu May  7 14:01:01 2020
From: stella.sandahl at gmail.com (Stella Sandahl)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 10:01:01 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] DHARMA Project Blog
In-Reply-To: <CANVHsm43vxsphgkVMuG_feSe=fFem=fmZ6WjnjoR1xc=CBn0iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B41740B-D52A-4C65-8175-2E8B3FFF0A23@gmail.com>

Please remove me from this particular dharma project. Thanks!
Stella Sandahl


> On May 7, 2020, at 6:46 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> It is my pleasure to announce the existence of a blog dedicated to the DHARMA Project (ERC Synergy Grant no. 809994, 2019-2025 <https://erc.europa.eu/projects-figures/erc-funded-projects/results?search_api_views_fulltext=DHARMA>) with the following URL:
> 
> https://dharma.hypotheses.org/ <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/>
> 
> The blog has been online for several months already and contains now enough content, I hope, to be of interest.
> 
> Please note that:
> - you will find blogposts appearing in the main page, but also pages in the menu, that will be progressively enriched.
> - the blog is furnished with RSS feeds.
> - the blog is the primary communication and dissemination channel of the project. In due time, it will be complemented with another website for the epigraphical corpora from South and Southeast Asia that are the main focus of the project (online editions and search facilities).
> 
> With very best wishes in this very strange days
> 
> Emmanuel FRANCIS <http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725>
> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud <http://ceias.ehess.fr/> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Project
> Online CV HAL <https://cv.archives-ouvertes.fr/emmanuel-francis>
> DHARMA <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> Project <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> (ERC synergy grant 2018)
> TST Project <https://tst.hypotheses.org/> (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG)
> Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India <http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/>
> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture <http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html>
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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Thu May  7 14:28:07 2020
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (rrocher)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 10:28:07 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] DHARMA Project Blog
In-Reply-To: <7B41740B-D52A-4C65-8175-2E8B3FFF0A23@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12aeda22-5fe0-dfb8-98c6-0bac21cc0b67@sas.upenn.edu>

Me too, please!
Rosane Rocher

On 5/7/20 10:01 AM, Stella Sandahl via INDOLOGY wrote:
> Please remove me from this particular dharma project. Thanks!
> Stella Sandahl
>
>
>> On May 7, 2020, at 6:46 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY 
>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> It is my pleasure to announce the existence of a blog dedicated to 
>> the DHARMA Project (ERC Synergy Grant no. 809994, 2019-2025 
>> <https://erc.europa.eu/projects-figures/erc-funded-projects/results?search_api_views_fulltext=DHARMA>) 
>> with the following URL:
>>
>> https://dharma.hypotheses.org/
>>
>> The blog has been online for several months already and contains now 
>> enough content, I hope, to be of interest.
>>
>> Please note that:
>> - you will find blogposts appearing in the main page, but also pages 
>> in the menu, that will be progressively enriched.
>> - the blog is furnished with RSS feeds.
>> - the blog is the primary communication and dissemination channel of 
>> the project. In due time, it will be complemented with another 
>> website for the epigraphical corpora from South and Southeast Asia 
>> that are the main focus of the project (online editions and search 
>> facilities).
>>
>> With very best wishes in this very strange days
>>
>> Emmanuel FRANCIS <http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725>
>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du 
>> Sud <http://ceias.ehess.fr/> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Project
>> Online CV HAL <https://cv.archives-ouvertes.fr/emmanuel-francis>
>> DHARMA <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/>Project 
>> <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> (ERC synergy grant 2018)
>> TST Project <https://tst.hypotheses.org/> (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG)
>> Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India <http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/>
>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture 
>> <http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
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>> committee)
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From manufrancis at gmail.com  Thu May  7 14:37:10 2020
From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 16:37:10 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] DHARMA Project Blog
In-Reply-To: <12aeda22-5fe0-dfb8-98c6-0bac21cc0b67@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <CANVHsm42oCLT5A3-ebB-4ZWNqyzw+cuwMguQ8wJupzLiHh32BQ@mail.gmail.com>

 Dear Collegues,
Note that the sentence "the blog is furnished with RSS feeds" means that
this blog offers the possiblity to subscribe to the website RSS and thus be
alerted each a new blog is posted.
RSS means *RDF
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework> Site Summary*
or *Rich Site Summary* or *Really Simple Syndication*.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS
This acronym has nothing to do with the RSS you must have in mind.
It is unfortunate, though, I must confess.
With very best wishes.

Emmanuel FRANCIS <http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725>
Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
<http://ceias.ehess.fr/> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Project
Online CV HAL <https://cv.archives-ouvertes.fr/emmanuel-francis>
DHARMA <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> Project
<https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> (ERC synergy grant 2018)
TST Project <https://tst.hypotheses.org/> (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG)
Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India <http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/>
Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture
<http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html>


Le jeu. 7 mai 2020 ? 16:28, rrocher via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :

> Me too, please!
> Rosane Rocher
>
> On 5/7/20 10:01 AM, Stella Sandahl via INDOLOGY wrote:
>
> Please remove me from this particular dharma project. Thanks!
> Stella Sandahl
>
>
> On May 7, 2020, at 6:46 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> It is my pleasure to announce the existence of a blog dedicated to the
> DHARMA Project (ERC Synergy Grant no. 809994, 2019-2025
> <https://erc.europa.eu/projects-figures/erc-funded-projects/results?search_api_views_fulltext=DHARMA>)
> with the following URL:
>
> https://dharma.hypotheses.org/
>
> The blog has been online for several months already and contains now
> enough content, I hope, to be of interest.
>
> Please note that:
> - you will find blogposts appearing in the main page, but also pages in
> the menu, that will be progressively enriched.
> - the blog is furnished with RSS feeds.
> - the blog is the primary communication and dissemination channel of the
> project. In due time, it will be complemented with another website for the
> epigraphical corpora from South and Southeast Asia that are the main focus
> of the project (online editions and search facilities).
>
> With very best wishes in this very strange days
>
> Emmanuel FRANCIS <http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725>
> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
> <http://ceias.ehess.fr/> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Project
> Online CV HAL <https://cv.archives-ouvertes.fr/emmanuel-francis>
> DHARMA <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> Project
> <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> (ERC synergy grant 2018)
> TST Project <https://tst.hypotheses.org/> (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG)
> Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India <http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/>
> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture
> <http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Thu May  7 14:41:27 2020
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (rrocher)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 10:41:27 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] DHARMA Project Blog
In-Reply-To: <CANVHsm42oCLT5A3-ebB-4ZWNqyzw+cuwMguQ8wJupzLiHh32BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4f5f0f0-d611-4bea-09d9-7ce0f61c5b28@sas.upenn.edu>

Thanks for this clarification.
All best wishes,
Rosane Rocher

On 5/7/20 10:37 AM, Manu Francis wrote:
> Dear Collegues,
> Note that the sentence "the blog is furnished with RSS feeds" means 
> that this blog offers the possiblity to subscribe to the website RSS 
> and thus be alerted each a new blog is posted.
> RSS means *RDF 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework> Site 
> Summary* or *Rich Site Summary* or *Really Simple Syndication*.
> See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS
> This acronym has nothing to do with the RSS you must have in mind.
> It is unfortunate, though, I must confess.
> With very best wishes.
>
> Emmanuel FRANCIS <http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725>
> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du 
> Sud <http://ceias.ehess.fr/> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Project
> Online CV HAL <https://cv.archives-ouvertes.fr/emmanuel-francis>
> DHARMA <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/>Project 
> <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> (ERC synergy grant 2018)
> TST Project <https://tst.hypotheses.org/> (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG)
> Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India <http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/>
> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture 
> <http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html>
>
>
> Le?jeu. 7 mai 2020 ??16:28, rrocher via INDOLOGY 
> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a 
> ?crit?:
>
>     Me too, please!
>     Rosane Rocher
>
>     On 5/7/20 10:01 AM, Stella Sandahl via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>     Please remove me from this particular dharma project. Thanks!
>>     Stella Sandahl
>>
>>
>>>     On May 7, 2020, at 6:46 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY
>>>     <indology at list.indology.info
>>>     <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>>     It is my pleasure to announce the existence of a blog dedicated
>>>     to the DHARMA Project (ERC Synergy Grant no. 809994, 2019-2025
>>>     <https://erc.europa.eu/projects-figures/erc-funded-projects/results?search_api_views_fulltext=DHARMA>)
>>>     with the following URL:
>>>
>>>     https://dharma.hypotheses.org/
>>>
>>>     The blog has been online for several months already and contains
>>>     now enough content, I hope, to be of interest.
>>>
>>>     Please note that:
>>>     - you will find blogposts appearing in the main page, but also
>>>     pages in the menu, that will be progressively enriched.
>>>     - the blog is furnished with RSS feeds.
>>>     - the blog is the primary communication and dissemination
>>>     channel of the project. In due time, it will be complemented
>>>     with another website for the epigraphical corpora from South and
>>>     Southeast Asia that are the main focus of the project (online
>>>     editions and search facilities).
>>>
>>>     With very best wishes in this very strange days
>>>
>>>     Emmanuel FRANCIS <http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725>
>>>     Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie
>>>     du Sud <http://ceias.ehess.fr/> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris)
>>>     Project
>>>     Online CV HAL <https://cv.archives-ouvertes.fr/emmanuel-francis>
>>>     DHARMA <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/>Project
>>>     <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> (ERC synergy grant 2018)
>>>     TST Project <https://tst.hypotheses.org/> (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG)
>>>     Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India
>>>     <http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/>
>>>     Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture
>>>     <http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>     INDOLOGY at list.indology.info <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
>>>     indology-owner at list.indology.info
>>>     <mailto:indology-owner at list.indology.info> (messages to the
>>>     list's managing committee)
>>>     http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>>     options or unsubscribe)
>>
>>
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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Thu May  7 15:51:02 2020
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 17:51:02 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_satyakriy=C4=81_gesture?=
In-Reply-To: <CALoZ1nWbOxSt_Fm1ygR71w=_0mYa0QCWhryuj4OXbAAKppZYpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200507175102.Horde.97_1I7O52mlX70wyzn3xdhz@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>

See also:

Luitgard Soni: "Bemerkungen zum 'Akt der Wahrheit'". In:  
?ikhisamuccaya?. Indian and Tibetan Studies. Ed. Dragomir Dimitrov,  
Ulrike Roesler, and Roland Steiner. Wien 2002 (Wiener Studien zur  
Tibetologie und Buddhismuskunde. 53), pp. 193-202.

Regards,
Roland Steiner






From gthomgt at gmail.com  Thu May  7 18:17:14 2020
From: gthomgt at gmail.com (George Thompson)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 14:17:14 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_satyakriy=C4=81_gesture?=
In-Reply-To: <20200507175102.Horde.97_1I7O52mlX70wyzn3xdhz@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <CAP1Y1ztJZKN4HFpHHA5cPktxmj0cs4Ob+pvC0VNu+kw3jY8uhA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

My IIJ paper on "satyakriy?" deals with it as a "speech-act."  It does not
discuss physical gestures at all.

Best wishes,

George



On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:51 AM Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> See also:
>
> Luitgard Soni: "Bemerkungen zum 'Akt der Wahrheit'". In:
> ?ikhisamuccaya?. Indian and Tibetan Studies. Ed. Dragomir Dimitrov,
> Ulrike Roesler, and Roland Steiner. Wien 2002 (Wiener Studien zur
> Tibetologie und Buddhismuskunde. 53), pp. 193-202.
>
> Regards,
> Roland Steiner
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From aparpola at gmail.com  Thu May  7 19:41:41 2020
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Thu, 07 May 20 22:41:41 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_satyakriy=C4=81_gesture?=
In-Reply-To: <CAP1Y1ztJZKN4HFpHHA5cPktxmj0cs4Ob+pvC0VNu+kw3jY8uhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90DBE69F-E4D5-46B5-B119-0985A9C85B0A@gmail.com>

See the very extensive article on sacca-kiriy? with copious references in Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacca-kiriya <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacca-kiriya>

Best wishes, Asko Parpola



> On 7 May 2020, at 21.17, George Thompson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> 
> My IIJ paper on "satyakriy?" deals with it as a "speech-act."  It does not discuss physical gestures at all.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:51 AM Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> See also:
> 
> Luitgard Soni: "Bemerkungen zum 'Akt der Wahrheit'". In:  
> ?ikhisamuccaya?. Indian and Tibetan Studies. Ed. Dragomir Dimitrov,  
> Ulrike Roesler, and Roland Steiner. Wien 2002 (Wiener Studien zur  
> Tibetologie und Buddhismuskunde. 53), pp. 193-202.
> 
> Regards,
> Roland Steiner
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com  Fri May  8 08:46:19 2020
From: dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com (Dr. Rupali Mokashi)
Date: Fri, 08 May 20 14:16:19 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?B?W0lORE9MT0dZXSBWIEsgUkFKQVdBREUgLSDgpJXgpLHgpY3gpLngpL7gpKHgpY3gpK/gpL7gpILgpJrgpYcg4KSm4KSV4KWN4KS34KS/4KSjIOCkleCli+CkleCko+CkvuCkpOClgOCksiDgpKrgpY3gpLDgpL7gpJrgpYDgpKjgpKTgpY3gpLU=?=
Message-ID: <CAK2tbYxbV908-t9yfOKfgNwWokB+GyStdthfcGCYPJdWDnp4pg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List members
hope you all are at home and safe.
I need pdf of a Marathi  book / article ( I am not certain about its nature
) ???????????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? by V K Rajwade.  Also would
appreciate if you could suggest any further reading list.
regards
Rupali Mokashi


*http://rupalimokashi.wordpress.com/* <http://rupalimokashi.wordpress.com/>


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From desimonedaniela at yahoo.it  Fri May  8 09:54:24 2020
From: desimonedaniela at yahoo.it (Daniela De Simone)
Date: Fri, 08 May 20 09:54:24 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request--Casal and Casal 1956
In-Reply-To: <2088071278.223654.1588931664093.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2088071278.223654.1588931664093@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,
I would be very grateful if anyone would be able to share with me a PDF of Casal, J.-M. and Casal, G. (1956). Site Urbain et Sites Fun?raires des Environs de Pondich?ry: Virampatnam, Mouttrapal?on, Souttouk?ny.?Paris: Presses Universitaires de France.
Libraries are still closed in the UK and it is unclear when they will re-open.
Thank you very much.
Kind regards,
Daniela De Simone


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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Fri May  8 13:58:34 2020
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Fri, 08 May 20 13:58:34 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_dy=C5=ABta_and_dharma?=
Message-ID: <2afdb031c34b48e195d181d2592e8987@hum.leidenuniv.nl>

Dear List members,

In Kau?ilya's Artha??stra the duties of the dy?ta adhyak?a is dealt with in Book 3 immediately after that of the dharmastha. I suspect there is a "deeper" relationship involved between dharma and dy?ta than that of law and fair play. For that, see L?ders (W?rfelspiel im alten Indian), who refers to the Vidhurapa??itaj?taka (1227: dhammena jiyy?ma as?hasena) and the Mah?bh?rata (2, 59: dharme?a tu jayo yuddhe tatpara? na tu devana?/ ajihma? a?a?hena yuddha? etat satpuru?avrata?). I wonder if something has been written about this.

Herman


Herman Tieken
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00 31 (0)70 2208127
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From palaniappa at aol.com  Sat May  9 14:40:38 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sat, 09 May 20 09:40:38 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Translocal Identities: The Sivadharma and the Making of Regional Religious Traditions in South Asia
In-Reply-To: <2C19CD54-3202-44D6-BE95-B4450130B1C4.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2C19CD54-3202-44D6-BE95-B4450130B1C4@aol.com>

Dear Indologists,

 

I would like to know the contact information for scholar/s, who lead/are involved in the ERC project entitled ?Translocal Identities: The Sivadharma and the Making of Regional Religious Traditions in South Asia.? 

 

Thank you.

 

Regards,

Palaniappan



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From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Sat May  9 15:43:54 2020
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Sat, 09 May 20 11:43:54 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Translocal Identities: The Sivadharma and the Making of Regional Religious Traditions in South Asia
In-Reply-To: <2C19CD54-3202-44D6-BE95-B4450130B1C4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <181C3F17-C1EE-43D2-9097-115860F4C426@gmail.com>

Dear Palaniappan,

Information about the project team is here: https://shivadharmaproject.com/team/ <https://shivadharmaproject.com/team/>. You may contact Florinda de Simini, the principal investigator, at florindadesimini at gmail.com <mailto:florindadesimini at gmail.com>.


> On May 9, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Indologists,
>  
> I would like to know the contact information for scholar/s, who lead/are involved in the ERC project entitled ?Translocal Identities: The Sivadharma and the Making of Regional Religious Traditions in South Asia.? 
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Regards,
> Palaniappan
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From palaniappa at aol.com  Sat May  9 16:48:55 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sat, 09 May 20 11:48:55 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Need an article by David Shulman ("How to Bring Goddess into Being Through Viable Sounds")
In-Reply-To: <B4805ACA-7F58-45DC-9235-1D7D52A8F6CC.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B4805ACA-7F58-45DC-9235-1D7D52A8F6CC@aol.com>

Dear Indologists,

 

I would appreciate if anyone could share a pdf of the following article:

SHULMAN, David. 2007. ?How to Bring Goddess into Being Through Viable Sounds,? in S. La Porta and D. Shulman (ed.) 2007. The Poetics of Grammar and the Metaphysics of Sound and Sign. Leiden: Brill, pp. 305-341. 

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Palaniappan

 



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From palaniappa at aol.com  Sat May  9 17:10:09 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sat, 09 May 20 12:10:09 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Need an article by David Shulman ("How to Bring Goddess into Being Through Viable Sounds")
In-Reply-To: <BF81370C-EA7F-4C8B-B5DF-CD48797F9D79.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BF81370C-EA7F-4C8B-B5DF-CD48797F9D79@aol.com>

I received the article off list from a member.

 

Thank you.

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Sudalaimuthu Palaniappant <palaniappa at aol.com>
Date: Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 11:49 AM
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Need an article by David Shulman ("How to Bring Goddess into Being Through Viable Sounds")

 

Dear Indologists,

 

I would appreciate if anyone could share a pdf of the following article:

SHULMAN, David. 2007. ?How to Bring Goddess into Being Through Viable Sounds,? in S. La Porta and D. Shulman (ed.) 2007. The Poetics of Grammar and the Metaphysics of Sound and Sign. Leiden: Brill, pp. 305-341. 

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

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From LubinT at wlu.edu  Sat May  9 17:20:23 2020
From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim)
Date: Sat, 09 May 20 17:20:23 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Gonda's_1965_Savayaj=C3=B1as?=
Message-ID: <E4C9D0DC-6A39-4FAF-AC21-78EDCC6A911F@wlu.edu>

Dear colleagues,
I need to consult Gonda?s 1965 book Savayaj?as, of which I have only a partial photocopy.  Interlibrary loan is not doing hard copies during the lockdown, and purchasing a copy on-line has become prohibitively expensive (shipping cost alone from Europe is now over 30 euros).  Anyone have a scan?
Best,
Tim


Timothy Lubin
Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law
Chair of the Department of Religion
Chair of the Middle East and South Asia Studies Program
204 Tucker Hall
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, Virginia 24450
American Council of Learned Societies fellow, 2020?21
National Endowment for the Humanities fellow, 2020?21
https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/
http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin
https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy




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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Sat May  9 20:39:31 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Sat, 09 May 20 22:39:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request--Casal and Casal 1956
In-Reply-To: <2088071278.223654.1588931664093@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DB7PR10MB242763ECA7FC779C9AA880C0A5A30@DB7PR10MB2427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

It seems a pdf is available for a small fee here: 

https://www.cultura.com/site-urbain-et-sites-funeraires-des-environs-de-pondichery-tea-9782705959197.html

I have never tried this website so satisfaction not guaranteed.

It is frustrating that on the whole French books are much less easily available online than books in English.

Arlo Griffiths  

Envoy? de mon iPhone

> Le 8 mai 2020 ? 11:55, Daniela De Simone via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> ?
> Dear List Members,
> 
> I would be very grateful if anyone would be able to share with me a PDF of Casal, J.-M. and Casal, G. (1956). Site Urbain et Sites Fun?raires des Environs de Pondich?ry: Virampatnam, Mouttrapal?on, Souttouk?ny. Paris: Presses Universitaires de France.
> 
> Libraries are still closed in the UK and it is unclear when they will re-open.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Daniela De Simone
> _______________________________________________
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From narenthiran.r at ifpindia.org  Sun May 10 06:40:12 2020
From: narenthiran.r at ifpindia.org (Narenthiran R)
Date: Sun, 10 May 20 12:10:12 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Need an article
Message-ID: <CALPL40-oFMStd+SR6E7Q_MXM_1GHrESB8vW5kVJG6UAdq7qnqg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends.

I would happy if anyone could send me a pdf of the following article:


David Washbrook . Forms of citizenship in pre-modern South India.
Citizenship Studies 23:3, pp. 224-239, 2019

Thanks in Advnce

R. Narenthiran

Librarian-Indology

French institute of Pondicherry
<https://www.tandfonline.com/author/Washbrook%2C+David>


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From narenthiran.r at ifpindia.org  Sun May 10 07:34:37 2020
From: narenthiran.r at ifpindia.org (Narenthiran R)
Date: Sun, 10 May 20 13:04:37 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Need an article
In-Reply-To: <CALPL40-oFMStd+SR6E7Q_MXM_1GHrESB8vW5kVJG6UAdq7qnqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALPL40_M9rXvj_ORqjKtK6Npa2GvJJ1LmfjX8iDpevAzAzR6PA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you very much, received through Off list from Tarinee Awasthi



On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:10 PM Narenthiran R <narenthiran.r at ifpindia.org>
wrote:

> Dear Friends.
>
> I would happy if anyone could send me a pdf of the following article:
>
>
> David Washbrook . Forms of citizenship in pre-modern South India.
> Citizenship Studies 23:3, pp. 224-239, 2019
>
> Thanks in Advnce
>
> R. Narenthiran
>
> Librarian-Indology
>
> French institute of Pondicherry
> <https://www.tandfonline.com/author/Washbrook%2C+David>
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From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Sun May 10 09:53:40 2020
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=)
Date: Sun, 10 May 20 11:53:40 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Gonda's_1965_Savayaj=C3=B1as?=
In-Reply-To: <E4C9D0DC-6A39-4FAF-AC21-78EDCC6A911F@wlu.edu>
Message-ID: <20200510115340.3606ec60798c6bc73d398fe9@ff.cuni.cz>

This book (as well as almost all other Gonda's books published in the Netherlands) is available in the Digital Library of The Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences:

https://www.dwc.knaw.nl/toegangen/digital-library-knaw/?pagetype=publDetail&pId=PU00010203

Best
Lubomir


On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:20:23 +0000
"Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
> I need to consult Gonda?s 1965 book Savayaj?as, of which I have only a partial photocopy.  Interlibrary loan is not doing hard copies during the lockdown, and purchasing a copy on-line has become prohibitively expensive (shipping cost alone from Europe is now over 30 euros).  Anyone have a scan?
> Best,
> Tim
> 
> 
> Timothy Lubin
> Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law
> Chair of the Department of Religion
> Chair of the Middle East and South Asia Studies Program
> 204 Tucker Hall
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, Virginia 24450
> American Council of Learned Societies fellow, 2020?21
> National Endowment for the Humanities fellow, 2020?21
> https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/
> http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin
> https://dharma.hypotheses.org/people/lubin-timothy
> 
> 





From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Sun May 10 15:01:41 2020
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Mon, 11 May 20 00:01:41 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and the Indian Census
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrDt+B2ctDHjOMBWrwoKG4bTF=ybYZOHF6_=awfc4t237A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

I hope you don't mind the self-promotion, but I would like to share a short
article of mine, published today, in the Wire.

https://thewire.in/culture/india-census-sanskrit

The data is based on 18 months of analysis and provides specific
comparative rationalization of Sanskrit tokens from the 2011 and 2001
census data. Of course, this doesn't prove anyone speaks Sanskrit. It shows
where people, who care enough to identify as a speaker, were at the time of
the census enumeration.

In this regard, I have worked to generate* maps of affect* - down to the
sub-district level - to show in which teshils we find the highest numbers
of people who returned Sanskrit as their L1, L2, or L3.

This article is just a glimpse. I have a few peer reviewed articles coming
out that elaborate in much more detail, where Sanskrit speakers might be.

All the best,

????? ???????
Patrick McCartney, PhD
Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
(OICD), Kyoto
Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
Japan
Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
National University
Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
University

Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
 Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/> Academia
<https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/> Linkedin
<https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
 Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>

*bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)







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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Sun May 10 15:10:07 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sun, 10 May 20 11:10:07 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_sa=E1=B9=81kita?=
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o98SbFROxt8emMogMRHJRTnc=DaMncUP4ZX8Nh6eQ-Uqg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

1) If any members have the *t?ntrik?bhidanako?a*, can they tell me if the
word *sa?kita* occurs in it.  And if so can they scan the page for me.

2) I have "The Heart of the Yogini" by Andre Padoux where there is some
discussion of the term.  Can anyone point me to any articles that discuss
this term in a tantric setting. Or point me to any discussion of this term
in commentaries to other tantras.

Thanks,
Harry Spier


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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sun May 10 16:55:47 2020
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sun, 10 May 20 18:55:47 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_sa=E1=B9=81kita?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o98SbFROxt8emMogMRHJRTnc=DaMncUP4ZX8Nh6eQ-Uqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200510185547.Horde.Z2TgJgrtLWzT1mMOY4Lc-Hm@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>

Dear Harry,

> 1) If any members have the *t?ntrik?bhidanako?a*, can they tell me if the
> word *sa?kita* occurs in it.? And if so can they scan the page for me.

To my knowledge, only three of five planned volumes have been  
published so far. The third volume comprises the words beginning with  
the letters /?-ph/.

You can use the NWS ("Nachtragsw?rterbuch des Sanskrit"; a cumulative  
supplemental dictionary of Sanskrit) to find out whether a particular  
term is listed in TAK I-III.

Example:
https://nws.uzi.uni-halle.de/search?lang=en&utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=taTAkapratiSThA&m=&t=&d=&type=&ntype=&cat=&ncat=&c=&v=&merge=on

Description of the NWS:
https://nws.uzi.uni-halle.de/description?lang=en

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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Sun May 10 17:01:17 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sun, 10 May 20 13:01:17 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_sa=E1=B9=81kita?=
In-Reply-To: <20200510185547.Horde.Z2TgJgrtLWzT1mMOY4Lc-Hm@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o9RRXpSkWgQ0E3d-F_hkMhSBHEwUsFmswoxob1bUhJZzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Roland.  It was just pointed out to me off-list that TAK only
goes up to ph.
Harry Spier

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:56 PM Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Harry,
>
> > 1) If any members have the *t?ntrik?bhidanako?a*, can they tell me if the
> > word *sa?kita* occurs in it.  And if so can they scan the page for me.
>
> To my knowledge, only three of five planned volumes have been published so
> far. The third volume comprises the words beginning with the letters
> *?-ph*.
>
> You can use the NWS ("Nachtragsw?rterbuch des Sanskrit"; a cumulative
> supplemental dictionary of Sanskrit) to find out whether a particular term
> is listed in TAK I-III.
>
> Example:
>
> https://nws.uzi.uni-halle.de/search?lang=en&utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=taTAkapratiSThA&m=&t=&d=&type=&ntype=&cat=&ncat=&c=&v=&merge=on
>
>
> Description of the NWS:
> https://nws.uzi.uni-halle.de/description?lang=en
>
>
> Best wishes,
> Roland Steiner
> _______________________________________________
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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Mon May 11 07:10:40 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Mon, 11 May 20 09:10:40 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request--Casal and Casal 1956
In-Reply-To: <DB7PR10MB242763ECA7FC779C9AA880C0A5A30@DB7PR10MB2427.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <F3F81E2C-E576-44B3-9FEC-4CD8273D7D95@uclouvain.be>

On Gallica for free:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3406249b/f11.image <https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3406249b/f11.image>

> Le 9 mai 2020 ? 22:39, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> It seems a pdf is available for a small fee here: 
> 
> https://www.cultura.com/site-urbain-et-sites-funeraires-des-environs-de-pondichery-tea-9782705959197.html <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cultura.com%2Fsite-urbain-et-sites-funeraires-des-environs-de-pondichery-tea-9782705959197.html&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C6e43cbc9e04641622e4e08d7f45930cc%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637246536221755506&sdata=v4YV72ykaVaGr34Im8PpAdmqz59itXod5dzkgv0cbAk%3D&reserved=0>
> 
> I have never tried this website so satisfaction not guaranteed.
> 
> It is frustrating that on the whole French books are much less easily available online than books in English.
> 
> Arlo Griffiths  
> 
> Envoy? de mon iPhone
> 
>> Le 8 mai 2020 ? 11:55, Daniela De Simone via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
>> 
>> ?
>> Dear List Members,
>> 
>> I would be very grateful if anyone would be able to share with me a PDF of Casal, J.-M. and Casal, G. (1956). Site Urbain et Sites Fun?raires des Environs de Pondich?ry: Virampatnam, Mouttrapal?on, Souttouk?ny. Paris: Presses Universitaires de France.
>> 
>> Libraries are still closed in the UK and it is unclear when they will re-open.
>> 
>> Thank you very much.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Daniela De Simone
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info <http://listinfo.indology.info/> (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
> _______________________________________________
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???????????????????
Christophe Vielle <https://uclouvain.be/en/directories/christophe.vielle>
Louvain-la-Neuve





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From palaniappa at aol.com  Mon May 11 18:10:05 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Mon, 11 May 20 13:10:05 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tantra and Music
In-Reply-To: <457011C2-D109-45E7-A146-00F7DD1A000B.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <457011C2-D109-45E7-A146-00F7DD1A000B@aol.com>

Dear Scholars,

 

I am looking for any information on Tantric texts theorizing about music around 13th century CE or earlier. 

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

 



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From gasyoun at ya.ru  Mon May 11 21:13:56 2020
From: gasyoun at ya.ru (=?utf-8?Q?M=C4=81rcis_Gas=C5=ABns?=)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 00:13:56 +0300
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_XLI_Zograf_Readings_in_Russian_(12_=E2=80=94_15_May_2020)?=
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon May 11 21:38:31 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 11 May 20 15:38:31 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdknbAenC6GbuL2DZHL0VwrsMmkf+Po5zotqFjHpWp_=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just an
orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's
*Subh??itaratnako?a*
<https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.
He must have thought about this.

So which is "right" and why?

Best,
Dominik

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From nmcgover at fandm.edu  Mon May 11 21:54:43 2020
From: nmcgover at fandm.edu (Nathan McGovern)
Date: Mon, 11 May 20 16:54:43 -0500
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CdknbAenC6GbuL2DZHL0VwrsMmkf+Po5zotqFjHpWp_=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ccaab0ff-3e89-e2ce-5500-719164457abd@fandm.edu>

Dominik, this doesn't really answer your question, but in Thai (which 
admittedly does often spell Sanskrit words in non-standard ways, 
especially in pre-modern texts) the spelling ??? (ko?a), is quite 
common, perhaps even preferred, especially in the title ????????? 
(ko??dhipati), which was the official in change of the Phra Khlang, or 
treasury, in Ayutthaya.

Nathan McGovern

University of Wisconsin-Whitewater

On 5/11/2020 4:38 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote:
> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was 
> just an orthographic error.? Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of 
> Ingalls's /Subh??itaratnako?a/ 
> <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.? 
> He must have thought about this.
>
> So which is "right" and why?
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, 
> beyond MW.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Mon May 11 22:12:58 2020
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 00:12:58 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CdknbAenC6GbuL2DZHL0VwrsMmkf+Po5zotqFjHpWp_=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200512001258.402719e410dd791fa8c9205f@ff.cuni.cz>

Mayrhofer (in KEWA) regards ko?a as the original form of the word:

k??a? m. Fa?, Kufe, Beh?lter, Schatzkammer / cask, coop, cupboard, treasury (usw.), vgl. kuk???, ku?ay??, kusumbha?, kus?la? und aw. kusra- ,,sich w?lbend"...
k??a? m. Beh?lter, Schatzkammer / cupboard, treasury (usw.), literarisch sp?ter als k??a? und wohl aus diesem hervorgegangen; Gleichsetzung mit an. hauss ,,Hirnschale" usw. (idg. -s-) ist weniger wahrscheinlich.

Best
Lubomir

On Mon, 11 May 2020 15:38:31 -0600
Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just an
> orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's
> *Subh??itaratnako?a*
> <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.
> He must have thought about this.
> 
> So which is "right" and why?
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, beyond MW.





From prajnapti at gmail.com  Mon May 11 22:25:26 2020
From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Mon, 11 May 20 18:25:26 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <ccaab0ff-3e89-e2ce-5500-719164457abd@fandm.edu>
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Dear Dominik,

Others may provide a more informed account ? like you, this is not something I?ve given much thought to ? but a quick look at the Digital Corpus of Sanskrit, while still only representing a limited albeit important range of Sanskrit literature, lists nearly 500 instances for ko?a, starting with ?g Veda (41 occurrences), Atharvaveda (13 occurrences), Ch?ndogyopani?ad (3 occurrences), A???dhy?y? (A???dhy?y?, 4, 3, 42.0 <http://www.sanskrit-linguistics.org/dcs/index.php?contents=texte&PhraseID=526840> ko??? ?ha? ||),  Buddhacarita (4 occurrences), Hitopade?a (10x), not to mention Abhidharmako?a, Amarako?a, and so on, but only 4 instances of ko?a (Nighantu?e?a 1x, Vi??upur??a 1x, and ?ry?sapta?at? 2x), the nod would seem to overwhelmingly favor ko?a. The term can have a range of meanings aside from encyclopedic compendium or lexicon, so many of those instances may reflect a variety of different meanings.

best,
Dan

> On May 11, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Nathan McGovern via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dominik, this doesn't really answer your question, but in Thai (which admittedly does often spell Sanskrit words in non-standard ways, especially in pre-modern texts) the spelling ??? (ko?a), is quite common, perhaps even preferred, especially in the title ????????? (ko??dhipati), which was the official in change of the Phra Khlang, or treasury, in Ayutthaya.
> 
> Nathan McGovern
> 
> University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
> On 5/11/2020 4:38 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote:
>> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's Subh??itaratnako?a <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.  He must have thought about this.
>> 
>> So which is "right" and why?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>> 
>> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, beyond MW.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de  Mon May 11 22:31:49 2020
From: pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 00:31:49 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
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> Am 11.05.2020 um 23:38 schrieb Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>:
> 
> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's Subh??itaratnako?a <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.  He must have thought about this.
> 
> So which is "right" and why?
> 

In his Indian Lexicography Claus Vogel points to Amarako?a 3.3.221 (sometimes 3.3.222 in some editions) and the commentaries that seems to justify the spelling ko?a. See Vogel: Indian Lexicography (1st edition), p. 303, note 1 (at this moment I don?t have access to the 2nd edition).

Hope it helps,

Peter Wyzlic

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From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Mon, 11 May 20 19:14:49 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
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>From Monier-Williams 2 names of works ending in  ko?a and  89 names of
works ending in ko?a (I haven`t listed words that aren`t names of works).,

amarako?a
dharmako?a

abhidharmako?a
 uddh?rako?a
 ek?k?arako?a
 ek?k?ar?bhidh?nako?a
 kath?ko?a
 candrako?a
 de??ko?a
 de??yar?ja?ekharako?a
 dva?dv?diko?a
 dvir?pako?a
 dviruktiko?a
 dvyarthako?a
 dhana?jayako?a
 dhara?iko?a
 dharmako?a
 dh?tuko?a
 nak?atrako?a
 n??akaratnako?a
 n?n?rthako?a
 n?n?rtha?abdako?a
 n?mam?l?ko?a
 n?r?ya?acakravartiko?a
 nigha??uko?a
 n?laka??hako?a
 ny?yako?a
 pa?car?pako?a
 pad?rthakaumud?ko?a
 pad?rthakaumud?s?rako?a
 p??hyaratnako?a
 p??in?yas?tras?rako?a
 praj??ko?a
 prabandhako?a
 pr?k?tako?a
 pr?k?tacchanda?ko?a
 b?jako?a
 b?hadamarako?a
 brahmako?a
 bharatadvir?pako?a
 bh?ratam?l?ko?a
 bh?vaprak??ako?a
 bh?varatnako?a
 ma?khako?a
 madhuko?a
 mantrako?a
 mantraratnako?a
 mantraratn?val?ko?a
 mantroddh?rako?a
 mah?lak?m?ratnako?a
 m?t?k?ko?a
 m?t?k?bijako?a
 m?dhavako?a
y?davako?a
raghunandanako?a
ratnako?a
rabhasako?a
rasaratnako?a
r?javyavah?rako?a
r?dh?k???ako?a
r?m??ramoddh?rako?a
rudrako?a
vararuciko?a
vastuko?a
vastuvij??naratnako?a
v?gbha?ako?a
vikram?dityako?a
vi?vako?a
v?ttama?iko?a
v?ddhako?a
ved?ntaratnako?a
vratako?a
?abdako?a
?arvako?a
?astrako?a
?ivako?a
?uddhat?ko?a
???g?rako?a
?r?gu?aratnako?a
sako?a
sa?khy?ratnako?a
s?dhyako?a
s?rasvatako?a
subh??itaratnako?a
str?ko?a
sm?tiratnako?a
svararatnako?a
 harako?a
 haimako?a

Harry Spier

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
>
> Others may provide a more informed account ? like you, this is not
> something I?ve given much thought to ? but a quick look at the Digital
> Corpus of Sanskrit, while still only representing a limited albeit
> important range of Sanskrit literature, lists nearly 500 instances for
> ko?a, starting with ?g Veda (41 occurrences), Atharvaveda (13 occurrences),
> Ch?ndogyopani?ad (3 occurrences), A???dhy?y? (A???dhy?y?, 4, 3, 42.0
> <http://www.sanskrit-linguistics.org/dcs/index.php?contents=texte&PhraseID=526840>
>  *ko???* ?ha? ||),  Buddhacarita (4 occurrences), Hitopade?a (10x), not
> to mention Abhidharmako?a, Amarako?a, and so on, but only 4 instances of
> ko?a (Nighantu?e?a 1x, Vi??upur??a 1x, and ?ry?sapta?at? 2x), the nod would
> seem to overwhelmingly favor ko?a. The term can have a range of meanings
> aside from encyclopedic compendium or lexicon, so many of those instances
> may reflect a variety of different meanings.
>
> best,
> Dan
>
> On May 11, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Nathan McGovern via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dominik, this doesn't really answer your question, but in Thai (which
> admittedly does often spell Sanskrit words in non-standard ways, especially
> in pre-modern texts) the spelling ??? (ko?a), is quite common, perhaps even
> preferred, especially in the title ????????? (ko??dhipati), which was the
> official in change of the Phra Khlang, or treasury, in Ayutthaya.
>
> Nathan McGovern
>
> University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
> On 5/11/2020 4:38 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote:
>
> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just
> an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's
> *Subh??itaratnako?a*
> <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.
> He must have thought about this.
>
> So which is "right" and why?
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, beyond
> MW.
>
>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue May 12 00:20:22 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 11 May 20 17:20:22 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
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I have seen in the interchangeable use of ???/??? in published books from
Maharashtra ???????/????????, but ??????????, and this variation is also
seen in the Marathi usage of these words.  The popular Marathi poem is
written as ???? ????????? ??????? rather than as ???????.  But you have
??????-????????-???, ???????? etc. and ???????/??? almost with equal
frequency.  This variation is facilitated by the fact that while ? and ?
are distinguished in Marathi writing, they are not distinguished in
pronunciation, except by a few ultra-conscious Sanskritists of Pune like
the Late Professor Arjunwadkar in my memory.  Here is a good example of
this variation on the same page:

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<https://epustakalay.com/book/184293-bhaaratiiya-sanskriti-kosh-5-by-mahadev-shastri/>
Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:15 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> From Monier-Williams 2 names of works ending in  ko?a and  89 names of
> works ending in ko?a (I haven`t listed words that aren`t names of works).,
>
> amarako?a
> dharmako?a
>
> abhidharmako?a
>  uddh?rako?a
>  ek?k?arako?a
>  ek?k?ar?bhidh?nako?a
>  kath?ko?a
>  candrako?a
>  de??ko?a
>  de??yar?ja?ekharako?a
>  dva?dv?diko?a
>  dvir?pako?a
>  dviruktiko?a
>  dvyarthako?a
>  dhana?jayako?a
>  dhara?iko?a
>  dharmako?a
>  dh?tuko?a
>  nak?atrako?a
>  n??akaratnako?a
>  n?n?rthako?a
>  n?n?rtha?abdako?a
>  n?mam?l?ko?a
>  n?r?ya?acakravartiko?a
>  nigha??uko?a
>  n?laka??hako?a
>  ny?yako?a
>  pa?car?pako?a
>  pad?rthakaumud?ko?a
>  pad?rthakaumud?s?rako?a
>  p??hyaratnako?a
>  p??in?yas?tras?rako?a
>  praj??ko?a
>  prabandhako?a
>  pr?k?tako?a
>  pr?k?tacchanda?ko?a
>  b?jako?a
>  b?hadamarako?a
>  brahmako?a
>  bharatadvir?pako?a
>  bh?ratam?l?ko?a
>  bh?vaprak??ako?a
>  bh?varatnako?a
>  ma?khako?a
>  madhuko?a
>  mantrako?a
>  mantraratnako?a
>  mantraratn?val?ko?a
>  mantroddh?rako?a
>  mah?lak?m?ratnako?a
>  m?t?k?ko?a
>  m?t?k?bijako?a
>  m?dhavako?a
> y?davako?a
> raghunandanako?a
> ratnako?a
> rabhasako?a
> rasaratnako?a
> r?javyavah?rako?a
> r?dh?k???ako?a
> r?m??ramoddh?rako?a
> rudrako?a
> vararuciko?a
> vastuko?a
> vastuvij??naratnako?a
> v?gbha?ako?a
> vikram?dityako?a
> vi?vako?a
> v?ttama?iko?a
> v?ddhako?a
> ved?ntaratnako?a
> vratako?a
> ?abdako?a
> ?arvako?a
> ?astrako?a
> ?ivako?a
> ?uddhat?ko?a
> ???g?rako?a
> ?r?gu?aratnako?a
> sako?a
> sa?khy?ratnako?a
> s?dhyako?a
> s?rasvatako?a
> subh??itaratnako?a
> str?ko?a
> sm?tiratnako?a
> svararatnako?a
>  harako?a
>  haimako?a
>
> Harry Spier
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Dominik,
>>
>> Others may provide a more informed account ? like you, this is not
>> something I?ve given much thought to ? but a quick look at the Digital
>> Corpus of Sanskrit, while still only representing a limited albeit
>> important range of Sanskrit literature, lists nearly 500 instances for
>> ko?a, starting with ?g Veda (41 occurrences), Atharvaveda (13 occurrences),
>> Ch?ndogyopani?ad (3 occurrences), A???dhy?y? (A???dhy?y?, 4, 3, 42.0
>> <http://www.sanskrit-linguistics.org/dcs/index.php?contents=texte&PhraseID=526840>
>>  *ko???* ?ha? ||),  Buddhacarita (4 occurrences), Hitopade?a (10x), not
>> to mention Abhidharmako?a, Amarako?a, and so on, but only 4 instances of
>> ko?a (Nighantu?e?a 1x, Vi??upur??a 1x, and ?ry?sapta?at? 2x), the nod would
>> seem to overwhelmingly favor ko?a. The term can have a range of meanings
>> aside from encyclopedic compendium or lexicon, so many of those instances
>> may reflect a variety of different meanings.
>>
>> best,
>> Dan
>>
>> On May 11, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Nathan McGovern via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dominik, this doesn't really answer your question, but in Thai (which
>> admittedly does often spell Sanskrit words in non-standard ways, especially
>> in pre-modern texts) the spelling ??? (ko?a), is quite common, perhaps even
>> preferred, especially in the title ????????? (ko??dhipati), which was the
>> official in change of the Phra Khlang, or treasury, in Ayutthaya.
>>
>> Nathan McGovern
>>
>> University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
>> On 5/11/2020 4:38 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>
>> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just
>> an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's
>> *Subh??itaratnako?a*
>> <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.
>> He must have thought about this.
>>
>> So which is "right" and why?
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, beyond
>> MW.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
>>
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>> committee)
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From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 11 May 20 17:22:03 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
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I have seen the interchangeable use of ???/??? in published books from
Maharashtra ???????/????????, but ??????????, and this variation is also
seen in the Marathi usage of these words.  The popular Marathi poem is
written as ???? ????????? ??????? rather than as ???????.  But you have
??????-????????-???, ???????? etc. and ???????/??? almost with equal
frequency.  This variation is facilitated by the fact that while ? and ?
are distinguished in Marathi writing, they are not distinguished in
pronunciation, except by a few ultra-conscious Sanskritists of Pune like
the Late Professor Arjunwadkar in my memory.  Here is a good example of
this variation on the same page:

[image: image.png]
Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:15 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> From Monier-Williams 2 names of works ending in  ko?a and  89 names of
> works ending in ko?a (I haven`t listed words that aren`t names of works).,
>
> amarako?a
> dharmako?a
>
> abhidharmako?a
>  uddh?rako?a
>  ek?k?arako?a
>  ek?k?ar?bhidh?nako?a
>  kath?ko?a
>  candrako?a
>  de??ko?a
>  de??yar?ja?ekharako?a
>  dva?dv?diko?a
>  dvir?pako?a
>  dviruktiko?a
>  dvyarthako?a
>  dhana?jayako?a
>  dhara?iko?a
>  dharmako?a
>  dh?tuko?a
>  nak?atrako?a
>  n??akaratnako?a
>  n?n?rthako?a
>  n?n?rtha?abdako?a
>  n?mam?l?ko?a
>  n?r?ya?acakravartiko?a
>  nigha??uko?a
>  n?laka??hako?a
>  ny?yako?a
>  pa?car?pako?a
>  pad?rthakaumud?ko?a
>  pad?rthakaumud?s?rako?a
>  p??hyaratnako?a
>  p??in?yas?tras?rako?a
>  praj??ko?a
>  prabandhako?a
>  pr?k?tako?a
>  pr?k?tacchanda?ko?a
>  b?jako?a
>  b?hadamarako?a
>  brahmako?a
>  bharatadvir?pako?a
>  bh?ratam?l?ko?a
>  bh?vaprak??ako?a
>  bh?varatnako?a
>  ma?khako?a
>  madhuko?a
>  mantrako?a
>  mantraratnako?a
>  mantraratn?val?ko?a
>  mantroddh?rako?a
>  mah?lak?m?ratnako?a
>  m?t?k?ko?a
>  m?t?k?bijako?a
>  m?dhavako?a
> y?davako?a
> raghunandanako?a
> ratnako?a
> rabhasako?a
> rasaratnako?a
> r?javyavah?rako?a
> r?dh?k???ako?a
> r?m??ramoddh?rako?a
> rudrako?a
> vararuciko?a
> vastuko?a
> vastuvij??naratnako?a
> v?gbha?ako?a
> vikram?dityako?a
> vi?vako?a
> v?ttama?iko?a
> v?ddhako?a
> ved?ntaratnako?a
> vratako?a
> ?abdako?a
> ?arvako?a
> ?astrako?a
> ?ivako?a
> ?uddhat?ko?a
> ???g?rako?a
> ?r?gu?aratnako?a
> sako?a
> sa?khy?ratnako?a
> s?dhyako?a
> s?rasvatako?a
> subh??itaratnako?a
> str?ko?a
> sm?tiratnako?a
> svararatnako?a
>  harako?a
>  haimako?a
>
> Harry Spier
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Dominik,
>>
>> Others may provide a more informed account ? like you, this is not
>> something I?ve given much thought to ? but a quick look at the Digital
>> Corpus of Sanskrit, while still only representing a limited albeit
>> important range of Sanskrit literature, lists nearly 500 instances for
>> ko?a, starting with ?g Veda (41 occurrences), Atharvaveda (13 occurrences),
>> Ch?ndogyopani?ad (3 occurrences), A???dhy?y? (A???dhy?y?, 4, 3, 42.0
>> <http://www.sanskrit-linguistics.org/dcs/index.php?contents=texte&PhraseID=526840>
>>  *ko???* ?ha? ||),  Buddhacarita (4 occurrences), Hitopade?a (10x), not
>> to mention Abhidharmako?a, Amarako?a, and so on, but only 4 instances of
>> ko?a (Nighantu?e?a 1x, Vi??upur??a 1x, and ?ry?sapta?at? 2x), the nod would
>> seem to overwhelmingly favor ko?a. The term can have a range of meanings
>> aside from encyclopedic compendium or lexicon, so many of those instances
>> may reflect a variety of different meanings.
>>
>> best,
>> Dan
>>
>> On May 11, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Nathan McGovern via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dominik, this doesn't really answer your question, but in Thai (which
>> admittedly does often spell Sanskrit words in non-standard ways, especially
>> in pre-modern texts) the spelling ??? (ko?a), is quite common, perhaps even
>> preferred, especially in the title ????????? (ko??dhipati), which was the
>> official in change of the Phra Khlang, or treasury, in Ayutthaya.
>>
>> Nathan McGovern
>>
>> University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
>> On 5/11/2020 4:38 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>
>> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just
>> an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's
>> *Subh??itaratnako?a*
>> <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.
>> He must have thought about this.
>>
>> So which is "right" and why?
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, beyond
>> MW.
>>
>>
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>>
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From: McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au (McComas Taylor)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 01:22:05 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] World Sanskrit Conference 2022 revised dates: 10-14 January 2022
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Dear Colleagues,

As we have previously advised, due to the continued COVID-19 situation, and the uncertainty regarding international travel to Australia in early 2021, the Organising Committee has made the difficult decision to postpone WSC 2021 for 12 months.

We had originally planned to keep the same dates, but our host organisation, the Australian National University, has just advised that we will be able to access the top-rate, newly completed conference facilities the week prior to the dates originally advertised. We would like to take advantage of this offer to ensure that the WSC is held in the most conducive possible environment.

Therefore, we have revised the dates for WSC 2022 to 10-14 January 2022.

We hope this does not cause inconvenience for any of you.

The new scheduled dates for WSC 2022 are 10-14 January 2022, in Canberra, Australia
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We look forward to seeing you in Australia in 2022!

Apologies for cross-posting,

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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Tue May 12 02:15:09 2020
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 07:45:09 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
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All dviroopa kosa gives baithe version.

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 6:11 AM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I have seen in the interchangeable use of ???/??? in published books from
> Maharashtra ???????/????????, but ??????????, and this variation is also
> seen in the Marathi usage of these words.  The popular Marathi poem is
> written as ???? ????????? ??????? rather than as ???????.  But you have
> ??????-????????-???, ???????? etc. and ???????/??? almost with equal
> frequency.  This variation is facilitated by the fact that while ? and ?
> are distinguished in Marathi writing, they are not distinguished in
> pronunciation, except by a few ultra-conscious Sanskritists of Pune like
> the Late Professor Arjunwadkar in my memory.  Here is a good example of
> this variation on the same page:
>
> [image: image.png]
> Search Results
> Web results
>
>
>
> <https://epustakalay.com/book/184293-bhaaratiiya-sanskriti-kosh-5-by-mahadev-shastri/>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:15 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> From Monier-Williams 2 names of works ending in  ko?a and  89 names of
>> works ending in ko?a (I haven`t listed words that aren`t names of works).,
>>
>> amarako?a
>> dharmako?a
>>
>> abhidharmako?a
>>  uddh?rako?a
>>  ek?k?arako?a
>>  ek?k?ar?bhidh?nako?a
>>  kath?ko?a
>>  candrako?a
>>  de??ko?a
>>  de??yar?ja?ekharako?a
>>  dva?dv?diko?a
>>  dvir?pako?a
>>  dviruktiko?a
>>  dvyarthako?a
>>  dhana?jayako?a
>>  dhara?iko?a
>>  dharmako?a
>>  dh?tuko?a
>>  nak?atrako?a
>>  n??akaratnako?a
>>  n?n?rthako?a
>>  n?n?rtha?abdako?a
>>  n?mam?l?ko?a
>>  n?r?ya?acakravartiko?a
>>  nigha??uko?a
>>  n?laka??hako?a
>>  ny?yako?a
>>  pa?car?pako?a
>>  pad?rthakaumud?ko?a
>>  pad?rthakaumud?s?rako?a
>>  p??hyaratnako?a
>>  p??in?yas?tras?rako?a
>>  praj??ko?a
>>  prabandhako?a
>>  pr?k?tako?a
>>  pr?k?tacchanda?ko?a
>>  b?jako?a
>>  b?hadamarako?a
>>  brahmako?a
>>  bharatadvir?pako?a
>>  bh?ratam?l?ko?a
>>  bh?vaprak??ako?a
>>  bh?varatnako?a
>>  ma?khako?a
>>  madhuko?a
>>  mantrako?a
>>  mantraratnako?a
>>  mantraratn?val?ko?a
>>  mantroddh?rako?a
>>  mah?lak?m?ratnako?a
>>  m?t?k?ko?a
>>  m?t?k?bijako?a
>>  m?dhavako?a
>> y?davako?a
>> raghunandanako?a
>> ratnako?a
>> rabhasako?a
>> rasaratnako?a
>> r?javyavah?rako?a
>> r?dh?k???ako?a
>> r?m??ramoddh?rako?a
>> rudrako?a
>> vararuciko?a
>> vastuko?a
>> vastuvij??naratnako?a
>> v?gbha?ako?a
>> vikram?dityako?a
>> vi?vako?a
>> v?ttama?iko?a
>> v?ddhako?a
>> ved?ntaratnako?a
>> vratako?a
>> ?abdako?a
>> ?arvako?a
>> ?astrako?a
>> ?ivako?a
>> ?uddhat?ko?a
>> ???g?rako?a
>> ?r?gu?aratnako?a
>> sako?a
>> sa?khy?ratnako?a
>> s?dhyako?a
>> s?rasvatako?a
>> subh??itaratnako?a
>> str?ko?a
>> sm?tiratnako?a
>> svararatnako?a
>>  harako?a
>>  haimako?a
>>
>> Harry Spier
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Dominik,
>>>
>>> Others may provide a more informed account ? like you, this is not
>>> something I?ve given much thought to ? but a quick look at the Digital
>>> Corpus of Sanskrit, while still only representing a limited albeit
>>> important range of Sanskrit literature, lists nearly 500 instances for
>>> ko?a, starting with ?g Veda (41 occurrences), Atharvaveda (13 occurrences),
>>> Ch?ndogyopani?ad (3 occurrences), A???dhy?y? (A???dhy?y?, 4, 3, 42.0
>>> <http://www.sanskrit-linguistics.org/dcs/index.php?contents=texte&PhraseID=526840>
>>>  *ko???* ?ha? ||),  Buddhacarita (4 occurrences), Hitopade?a (10x), not
>>> to mention Abhidharmako?a, Amarako?a, and so on, but only 4 instances of
>>> ko?a (Nighantu?e?a 1x, Vi??upur??a 1x, and ?ry?sapta?at? 2x), the nod would
>>> seem to overwhelmingly favor ko?a. The term can have a range of meanings
>>> aside from encyclopedic compendium or lexicon, so many of those instances
>>> may reflect a variety of different meanings.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Nathan McGovern via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dominik, this doesn't really answer your question, but in Thai (which
>>> admittedly does often spell Sanskrit words in non-standard ways, especially
>>> in pre-modern texts) the spelling ??? (ko?a), is quite common, perhaps even
>>> preferred, especially in the title ????????? (ko??dhipati), which was the
>>> official in change of the Phra Khlang, or treasury, in Ayutthaya.
>>>
>>> Nathan McGovern
>>>
>>> University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
>>> On 5/11/2020 4:38 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>>
>>> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just
>>> an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's
>>> *Subh??itaratnako?a*
>>> <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.
>>> He must have thought about this.
>>>
>>> So which is "right" and why?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dominik
>>>
>>> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, beyond
>>> MW.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
>>>
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>>> committee)
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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Tue May 12 02:15:33 2020
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 07:45:33 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
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Both* versions

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 7:45 AM Krishnaprasad G <krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com>
wrote:

> All dviroopa kosa gives baithe version.
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020, 6:11 AM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> I have seen in the interchangeable use of ???/??? in published books from
>> Maharashtra ???????/????????, but ??????????, and this variation is also
>> seen in the Marathi usage of these words.  The popular Marathi poem is
>> written as ???? ????????? ??????? rather than as ???????.  But you have
>> ??????-????????-???, ???????? etc. and ???????/??? almost with equal
>> frequency.  This variation is facilitated by the fact that while ? and ?
>> are distinguished in Marathi writing, they are not distinguished in
>> pronunciation, except by a few ultra-conscious Sanskritists of Pune like
>> the Late Professor Arjunwadkar in my memory.  Here is a good example of
>> this variation on the same page:
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>> Search Results
>> Web results
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://epustakalay.com/book/184293-bhaaratiiya-sanskriti-kosh-5-by-mahadev-shastri/>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:15 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> From Monier-Williams 2 names of works ending in  ko?a and  89 names of
>>> works ending in ko?a (I haven`t listed words that aren`t names of works).,
>>>
>>> amarako?a
>>> dharmako?a
>>>
>>> abhidharmako?a
>>>  uddh?rako?a
>>>  ek?k?arako?a
>>>  ek?k?ar?bhidh?nako?a
>>>  kath?ko?a
>>>  candrako?a
>>>  de??ko?a
>>>  de??yar?ja?ekharako?a
>>>  dva?dv?diko?a
>>>  dvir?pako?a
>>>  dviruktiko?a
>>>  dvyarthako?a
>>>  dhana?jayako?a
>>>  dhara?iko?a
>>>  dharmako?a
>>>  dh?tuko?a
>>>  nak?atrako?a
>>>  n??akaratnako?a
>>>  n?n?rthako?a
>>>  n?n?rtha?abdako?a
>>>  n?mam?l?ko?a
>>>  n?r?ya?acakravartiko?a
>>>  nigha??uko?a
>>>  n?laka??hako?a
>>>  ny?yako?a
>>>  pa?car?pako?a
>>>  pad?rthakaumud?ko?a
>>>  pad?rthakaumud?s?rako?a
>>>  p??hyaratnako?a
>>>  p??in?yas?tras?rako?a
>>>  praj??ko?a
>>>  prabandhako?a
>>>  pr?k?tako?a
>>>  pr?k?tacchanda?ko?a
>>>  b?jako?a
>>>  b?hadamarako?a
>>>  brahmako?a
>>>  bharatadvir?pako?a
>>>  bh?ratam?l?ko?a
>>>  bh?vaprak??ako?a
>>>  bh?varatnako?a
>>>  ma?khako?a
>>>  madhuko?a
>>>  mantrako?a
>>>  mantraratnako?a
>>>  mantraratn?val?ko?a
>>>  mantroddh?rako?a
>>>  mah?lak?m?ratnako?a
>>>  m?t?k?ko?a
>>>  m?t?k?bijako?a
>>>  m?dhavako?a
>>> y?davako?a
>>> raghunandanako?a
>>> ratnako?a
>>> rabhasako?a
>>> rasaratnako?a
>>> r?javyavah?rako?a
>>> r?dh?k???ako?a
>>> r?m??ramoddh?rako?a
>>> rudrako?a
>>> vararuciko?a
>>> vastuko?a
>>> vastuvij??naratnako?a
>>> v?gbha?ako?a
>>> vikram?dityako?a
>>> vi?vako?a
>>> v?ttama?iko?a
>>> v?ddhako?a
>>> ved?ntaratnako?a
>>> vratako?a
>>> ?abdako?a
>>> ?arvako?a
>>> ?astrako?a
>>> ?ivako?a
>>> ?uddhat?ko?a
>>> ???g?rako?a
>>> ?r?gu?aratnako?a
>>> sako?a
>>> sa?khy?ratnako?a
>>> s?dhyako?a
>>> s?rasvatako?a
>>> subh??itaratnako?a
>>> str?ko?a
>>> sm?tiratnako?a
>>> svararatnako?a
>>>  harako?a
>>>  haimako?a
>>>
>>> Harry Spier
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Dominik,
>>>>
>>>> Others may provide a more informed account ? like you, this is not
>>>> something I?ve given much thought to ? but a quick look at the Digital
>>>> Corpus of Sanskrit, while still only representing a limited albeit
>>>> important range of Sanskrit literature, lists nearly 500 instances for
>>>> ko?a, starting with ?g Veda (41 occurrences), Atharvaveda (13 occurrences),
>>>> Ch?ndogyopani?ad (3 occurrences), A???dhy?y? (A???dhy?y?, 4, 3, 42.0
>>>> <http://www.sanskrit-linguistics.org/dcs/index.php?contents=texte&PhraseID=526840>
>>>>  *ko???* ?ha? ||),  Buddhacarita (4 occurrences), Hitopade?a (10x),
>>>> not to mention Abhidharmako?a, Amarako?a, and so on, but only 4 instances
>>>> of ko?a (Nighantu?e?a 1x, Vi??upur??a 1x, and ?ry?sapta?at? 2x), the nod
>>>> would seem to overwhelmingly favor ko?a. The term can have a range of
>>>> meanings aside from encyclopedic compendium or lexicon, so many of those
>>>> instances may reflect a variety of different meanings.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> On May 11, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Nathan McGovern via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dominik, this doesn't really answer your question, but in Thai (which
>>>> admittedly does often spell Sanskrit words in non-standard ways, especially
>>>> in pre-modern texts) the spelling ??? (ko?a), is quite common, perhaps even
>>>> preferred, especially in the title ????????? (ko??dhipati), which was the
>>>> official in change of the Phra Khlang, or treasury, in Ayutthaya.
>>>>
>>>> Nathan McGovern
>>>>
>>>> University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
>>>> On 5/11/2020 4:38 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was
>>>> just an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of
>>>> Ingalls's *Subh??itaratnako?a*
>>>> <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.
>>>> He must have thought about this.
>>>>
>>>> So which is "right" and why?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Dominik
>>>>
>>>> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question,
>>>> beyond MW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> committee)
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>>>> or unsubscribe)
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>>>>
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>>>> committee)
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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Tue May 12 05:52:10 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 05:52:10 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Karunaratna article on Astamangala from JCBRAS 15 (1971)
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Dear colleagues,

Would anyone be able to furnish a pdf of the article by Karunaratne on the Astamangala that appeared in volume 15 (1971), pp. 48-75, of the Journal of the Ceylonese Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society (the only volume not available on JSTOR)?

Many thanks, on behalf of my Jakarta-based colleague V?ronique Degroot,

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From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 11:22:49 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
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Shabdakalpadruma testifies both forms.

??????? ???????? ??- ?????????? ???? ? ??? ? ????????? ??? ????
??????????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ??? ???? ?

On Tue, 12 May 2020, 03:09 Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just
> an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's
> *Subh??itaratnako?a*
> <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.
> He must have thought about this.
>
> So which is "right" and why?
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, beyond
> MW.
>
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From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de  Tue May 12 07:39:33 2020
From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 09:39:33 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Antw:__ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CdknbAenC6GbuL2DZHL0VwrsMmkf+Po5zotqFjHpWp_=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5EBA6ED5020000C3000AC79B@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>

Dear Dominik,

I. Scheftelowitz (Zur Textkritik und Lautlehre des R?gveda; In: WZKM 21
(1907): 85?142) notes regarding the Kashmiri R?gveda mss., that
word-initial and -middle s? frequently turns to s? following i??, u, o,
e, r?, r. In contrast, s? frequently turns to s? following i, u, e, a,
r, r?, but never after i?, u?, o, ai, au (ibid. ?24ff. p.123ff.). He
also gives explicit information on kos?a/kos?a, stating the latter to be
a younger development found earliest in the Bra?hman?as and then the MBh
(p.127).

Best,


Raik Strunz









???????????




Raik Strunz, M.A.


Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de
Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 


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???????????


??????????? ??????? ?
 

>>> Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> 11.05.20
23.40 Uhr >>>
I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just
an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of
Ingalls's Subh??itaratnako?a.  He must have thought about this.


So which is "right" and why?


Best,
Dominik


PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, beyond
MW.





 




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From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr  Tue May 12 08:40:19 2020
From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 10:40:19 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzdWCYS2m79w5MYuce9zf--LT1ccw5Z356nU7d9Nrc7Qiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <019ec5af-43a5-5457-1279-108cf7977c26@univ-paris-diderot.fr>

"Gilead then cut Ephraim off from the fords of the Jordan, and whenever 
Ephraimite fugitives said, 'Let me cross,' the men of Gilead would ask, 
'Are you an Ephraimite?' If he said, 'No,' they then said, 'Very well, 
say "Shibboleth" (??????).' If anyone said, "Sibboleth" (??????), 
because he could not pronounce it, then they would seize him and kill 
him by the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand Ephraimites fell on 
this occasion."

[taken from:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth>]

Dear Professor Deshpande,

what would be a real-life shibboleth, among Marathi speakers?

-- Jean-Luc (in M?ssen)

https://twitter.com/JLC1956

https://tst.hypotheses.org/author/jlch

https://www.google.de/maps/@53.49484,10.57238,19z


On 12/05/2020 02:22, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY wrote:
> This variation is facilitated by the fact that while ? and ? are 
> distinguished in Marathi writing, they are not distinguished in 
> pronunciation, except by a few ultra-conscious Sanskritists of Pune like 
> the Late Professor Arjunwadkar in my memory.






From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Tue May 12 16:00:04 2020
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 16:00:04 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with two articles
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB0304109C0F45141B20637C5F8EBE0@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear colleagues,

If any of you have an  electronic version of the following articles by J. P. Losty, I'd be very grateful if you could share them with me:

?Bengal, Bihar, Nepal? Problems of provenance in 12th century illuminated Buddhist manuscripts?, Oriental Art, v.35/2-3, 1989, pp. 86-96, 140-49.

Best wishes,

Camillo





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From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Tue May 12 16:16:19 2020
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 16:16:19 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with two articles
In-Reply-To: <LO2P265MB0304109C0F45141B20637C5F8EBE0@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB030411CD644B0205F8AC7DBA8EBE0@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

As usual for this wonderful list, two colleagues replied within minutes. Many thanks to Dragomir Dimitrov and P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt?!

________________________________
From: Camillo Formigatti
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:00 PM
To: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Help with two articles

Dear colleagues,

If any of you have an  electronic version of the following articles by J. P. Losty, I'd be very grateful if you could share them with me:

?Bengal, Bihar, Nepal? Problems of provenance in 12th century illuminated Buddhist manuscripts?, Oriental Art, v.35/2-3, 1989, pp. 86-96, 140-49.

Best wishes,

Camillo





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From rdamron at berkeley.edu  Tue May 12 17:05:21 2020
From: rdamron at berkeley.edu (Ryan Damron)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 10:05:21 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Sources_on_corpse_preservation_in_Therav=C4=81da_contexts?=
Message-ID: <D497EA4E-A33F-443F-B193-C6FCA39D6978@berkeley.edu>

Dear all,

A colleague not on the list asked me to post the following query:

"I would be grateful for any (translated) primary or secondary sources that discuss funerary rites involving the preservation of the bodies of realized masters or sangha members. The sources can draw from canonical, ritual, or commentarial literature that directly addresses the topic of whole-body relics. Ideally I would like sources on such practices in Therav?da cultures, but would appreciate anything generally pertinent to the topic."

Many thanks in advance,

Ryan

Ryan Damron
Doctoral Candidate
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies
University of California, Berkeley
7233 Dwinelle Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-2520
rdamron at berkeley.edu






From piotrbalcerowicz1 at gmail.com  Tue May 12 21:34:50 2020
From: piotrbalcerowicz1 at gmail.com (Piotr Balcerowicz)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 23:34:50 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
Message-ID: <CAFZpg=Ztr70gSpdiCmZt4_9skzu1XbmEjb+qpKsjpunSim5oog@mail.gmail.com>

 Dear Dominik,


Perhaps these two entries can be useful:


Mayrhofer, Manfred: *Etymologisches W?rterbuch des Altindoarischen*. Carl
Winter ? Universit?tsverlag, Heidelberg 1992.


I. Band, pp. 403?404:

* k?sa- m. Beh?lter, Gef?? bei der Soma-Bereitung, Fa?, Kiste, Wagenkasten
(RV +; MK1189, L?ders, Varu?a 375 ff.); dazu RV 6,47,22 k?say?- f., wenn
?Kasten, Truhe?, und SB ?kos?- f. etwa ?Futteral?, S? + kos?tak?- f. Name
einer Pflanze (AiGr II 2,269). - Mi., ni., s. p?. kos?- f. ?Futteral? u.a.,
Tu 3539 (mit Verweisen). - Iir., vgl. khot. k?sa- Gef??, Ma?, sogd. kws
?side? u.a. (Bai, Dict 64a, N. Sims-Williams, BSOAS 42 [1979] 134f, mit
Lit., KEWA III 683), dazu wohl jav. kusra- sich w?lbend (vgl. ferner u.
kuksi-). - Problematisch bleiben die mit iir. *ka??-/*ku?- verbundenen
au?er-iir. W?rter, die auf idg. *ke?-?- zur?ckgef?hrt werden (WPII348, Pok
953), wie lit. k?u?as Himsch?del, Muschelschale (u.a.), kia??is Ei, lett.
ka?ss Sch?del, Gef??, Schale usw. (s. Fraenkel 231bf., 250a); zu beachten
k??a-, ko??ha-.*

*k??a*- m.: erscheint als Variante von *k?**?**a*- in nachrigvedischen
Texten (vgl. AiGr I2 Nachtr 126, ad 225,36-39); so ist wahrscheinlich, da?
es inner-indoar. Entwicklung aus *k?sa*- ist. -Gleichwohl ist iran. **kau?*-
?to enclose? (s. Bai, Dict 105b) bzw. idg. **ko**?**s-o*- (> an. *hauss*
?Sch?del?, so noch de Vries 214b) als Entsprechung von ererbtem *k??a*-
erwogen worden (reiche Lit. bei WP II 548; s. schon Leum 70).

Historically, one should opt for *ko?a*, with a "better"
Proto-Indo-European pedigree, however, most probably, both are correct, as
it seems, depending on the actual geographical distribution (origin of the
title / usage) of the variants. The actual usage of *ko?a* and *ko?a* shows
that they are treated as synonyms.


Best wishes,
Piotr
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://balcerowicz.eu/


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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Wed May 13 00:55:24 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Tue, 12 May 20 20:55:24 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_rudrayamalatantra_uttarak=C4=81=E1=B9=87=E1=B8=8Da?=
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o8KD_sU4CGt0XmoDCyJQE2h0CR-Ura8BRRfaQfCKw7ASw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,
Can anyone point me to any articles on the rudrayamalatantra uttarak???a,
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Wed May 13 06:38:35 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Wed, 13 May 20 08:38:35 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Laghu; sabdendu; sekhara ed. by R. ; S. M. and Bh. N. ; S. ?
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoCy1WoC6K96mvwYCNRa0f-sX++iOi1NjzDjnmDe-OqZgA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List members,
Does anyone have a scan of
   Naage;sa's Laghu;sabdendu;sekhara
   ed. by Raama ;Saastrii Maanavallii and Bhaaradvaaja Naaraaya.na
;Saastrii,
   Benares 1887.
Several editions with sanskrit or hindi commenaries are available at
archive.org but I did not find this specific edition which is often
referred to by scholars by PAGE NO.  .
Best regards,
Jan Houben
-- 

*Jan E.M. Houben*

Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology

*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*

?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)

*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

*johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*

*https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
<https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben>*


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From alessandr.battistin9 at unibo.it  Wed May 13 08:01:06 2020
From: alessandr.battistin9 at unibo.it (alessandro battistini)
Date: Wed, 13 May 20 10:01:06 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Utprek=E1=B9=A3=C4=81vallabha's_Bhik=E1=B9=A3=C4=81=E1=B9=ADanak=C4=81vya/Ummattur_Wodeyars?=
Message-ID: <3D093E44-23CE-4E6F-B3D4-8152A987006A@unibo.it>

Dear all,

I am editing Ma?gapa's unpublished commentary on the Bhik???anak?vya by Utprek??vallabha. Do you have any reading suggestions on the poem? 
Also, can you point to any material regarding the Ummattur Wodeyars of Southern Karnakata? (Ma?gapa belongs to this family). A relevant inscription has been published in the Annual Report on Indian Epigraphy for the year 1900 (aka Government Order (epigraphy) or Madras Epigraphical Record or Annual Report on Epigraphy): but I can?t find it.

Thank you,

Alessandro Battistini/University of Bologna


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From manufrancis at gmail.com  Wed May 13 15:53:02 2020
From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 20 17:53:02 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Utprek=E1=B9=A3=C4=81vallabha's_Bhik=E1=B9=A3=C4=81=E1=B9=ADanak=C4=81vya/Ummattur_Wodeyars?=
In-Reply-To: <3D093E44-23CE-4E6F-B3D4-8152A987006A@unibo.it>
Message-ID: <CANVHsm6QDQq2iHmxGcpk5DKDfH8QDWj83vYuEyWMJ_Jko8H5Bg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Alessandro Battistini,
Inscriptions are, as a rule, not published in ARIE, although some excerpts
can be provided.
Have you got more specifics about your reference to ARIE for the year 1900?
On ARIE see https://dharma.hypotheses.org/reports
Best.


Emmanuel FRANCIS <http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725>
Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud
<http://ceias.ehess.fr/> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Project
Online CV HAL <https://cv.archives-ouvertes.fr/emmanuel-francis>
DHARMA <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> Project
<https://dharma.hypotheses.org/> (ERC synergy grant 2018)
TST Project <https://tst.hypotheses.org/> (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG)
Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India <http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/>
Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture
<http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html>


Le mer. 13 mai 2020 ? 10:01, alessandro battistini via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :

> Dear all,
>
> I am editing Ma?gapa's unpublished commentary on the Bhik???anak?vya by
> Utprek??vallabha. Do you have any reading suggestions on the poem?
> Also, can you point to any material regarding the Ummattur Wodeyars of
> Southern Karnakata? (Ma?gapa belongs to this family). A relevant
> inscription has been published in the *Annual Report on Indian Epigraphy* for
> the year 1900 (aka *Government Order (epigraphy)* or *Madras Epigraphical
> Record* or *Annual Report on Epigraphy*): but I can?t find it.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Alessandro Battistini/University of Bologna
> _______________________________________________
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From disimone at alumni.stanford.edu  Wed May 13 19:31:27 2020
From: disimone at alumni.stanford.edu (Charles DiSimone)
Date: Wed, 13 May 20 21:31:27 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
Message-ID: <CADKD_zj-24t4Rs8For+pFmNWdV1F1z0L0xpoU46DKdjFescT_g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear friends,

Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture? These were
intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The story from a local
periodical is here:
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422

I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but maybe
someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual surrounding depositing such
items in a body of water might be.

All my best,
Charles


-- 
Dr. Charles DiSimone
Ghent University


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From vjroebuck at btinternet.com  Wed May 13 20:41:31 2020
From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie Roebuck)
Date: Wed, 13 May 20 21:41:31 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
In-Reply-To: <CADKD_zj-24t4Rs8For+pFmNWdV1F1z0L0xpoU46DKdjFescT_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E851B80A-45B6-4C07-AF8D-369201B51364@btinternet.com>

Intriguing. However, not the River Thames, but the River Sowe at Coventry (the city in the MIdlands where Lady Godiva took her famous ride).

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK


> On 13 May 2020, at 20:31, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture? These were intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The story from a local periodical is here: 
> https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422 <https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422>
> 
> I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but maybe someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual surrounding depositing such items in a body of water might be. 
> 
> All my best,
> Charles
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Charles DiSimone
> Ghent University
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From rsalomon at uw.edu  Wed May 13 22:30:29 2020
From: rsalomon at uw.edu (Richard G. Salomon)
Date: Wed, 13 May 20 15:30:29 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
In-Reply-To: <E851B80A-45B6-4C07-AF8D-369201B51364@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CA+bmU3aUvuyPP+DO8jd6GRW61_vdQM4R5X1nudBL+CDT+UksZQ@mail.gmail.com>

How strange! I wonder if these are "magic squares," which Allen Thrasher
studied years ago (but I don't know if he's on this list).

Rich Salomon

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:58 PM Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Intriguing. However, not the River Thames, but the River Sowe at Coventry
> (the city in the MIdlands where Lady Godiva took her famous ride).
>
> Valerie J Roebuck
> Manchester, UK
>
>
> On 13 May 2020, at 20:31, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture? These
> were intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The story from a
> local periodical is here:
>
> https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422
>
> I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but maybe
> someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual surrounding depositing such
> items in a body of water might be.
>
> All my best,
> Charles
>
>
> --
> Dr. Charles DiSimone
> Ghent University
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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> committee)
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> unsubscribe)
>
>
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From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Wed May 13 23:15:04 2020
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Wed, 13 May 20 19:15:04 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
In-Reply-To: <CA+bmU3aUvuyPP+DO8jd6GRW61_vdQM4R5X1nudBL+CDT+UksZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2BF995E0-B94A-48B3-8C01-57E69D46DBF2@gmail.com>

The coin or medallion in one of the pictures depicts Durga or Kali.

Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
emstern1948 at gmail.com
267-240-8418



> On May 13, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> How strange! I wonder if these are "magic squares," which Allen Thrasher studied years ago (but I don't know if he's on this list).
> 
> Rich Salomon
> 
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:58 PM Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Intriguing. However, not the River Thames, but the River Sowe at Coventry (the city in the MIdlands where Lady Godiva took her famous ride).
> 
> Valerie J Roebuck
> Manchester, UK
> 
> 
>> On 13 May 2020, at 20:31, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear friends,
>> 
>> Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture? These were intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The story from a local periodical is here: 
>> https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422 <https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422>
>> 
>> I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but maybe someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual surrounding depositing such items in a body of water might be. 
>> 
>> All my best,
>> Charles
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dr. Charles DiSimone
>> Ghent University
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From jacob at fabularasa.dk  Wed May 13 23:28:50 2020
From: jacob at fabularasa.dk (jacob at fabularasa.dk)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 01:28:50 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
In-Reply-To: <CA+bmU3aUvuyPP+DO8jd6GRW61_vdQM4R5X1nudBL+CDT+UksZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3fda3df7fa8e4363a730be65d64cd6f@fabularasa.dk>

The grids on the sides of the cubes are indeed magic squares. Every row 
of numbers, whether read orthogonally or diagonally, adds up to 36, 
which identify the magic squares as associated with R?hu. This is also 
borne out by the inscriptions at the bottom which read: "aum r?have 
nama?".

A quick search online reveals several reports of circular and triangular 
tokens with magic squares of either R?hu or Ketu turning up in rivers in 
England, America, Canada, and New Zealand. E.g.:

[1] http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=20365.0

[2] 
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/286825-lead-elephant-coins-lead-bull-squares.html

A poster on the latter forum states that: "I saw this a few summers ago 
in St. Louis MO. There was a whole family beside the river and two were 
throwing these type coins in and a few other items. Didn't ask anything 
as you could tell they were trying to keep it private."

I did not find any reports about cubes, but the circular tokens can, for 
instance, be bought here:

https://www.nanubhaiindia.com/products/283-rahu-yantra-coin.aspx

I wonder if it would be considered inauspicious to pick them up, or 
whether they would already have served their ritual purpose (whatever 
exactly that might have been)?

Best,
Jacob

Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
Postdoctoral Researcher
University of Copenhagen
Denmark

Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY skrev den 2020-05-14 00:30:
> How strange! I wonder if these are "magic squares," which Allen
> Thrasher studied years ago (but I don't know if he's on this list).
> 
> Rich Salomon
> 
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:58 PM Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
>> Intriguing. However, not the River Thames, but the River Sowe at
>> Coventry (the city in the MIdlands where Lady Godiva took her famous
>> ride).
>> 
>> Valerie J Roebuck
>> Manchester, UK
>> 
>>> On 13 May 2020, at 20:31, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY
>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear friends,
>>> 
>>> Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture?
>>> These were intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The
>>> story from a local periodical is here:
>>> 
>> 
> https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422
>>> 
>>> I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but
>>> maybe someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual
>>> surrounding depositing such items in a body of water might be.
>>> 
>>> All my best,
>>> Charles
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Dr. Charles DiSimone
>>> Ghent University _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>> options or unsubscribe)
>> 
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From rsalomon at uw.edu  Wed May 13 23:55:46 2020
From: rsalomon at uw.edu (Richard G. Salomon)
Date: Wed, 13 May 20 16:55:46 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
In-Reply-To: <f3fda3df7fa8e4363a730be65d64cd6f@fabularasa.dk>
Message-ID: <CA+bmU3ass7b7w4D800RPptaaGE4C6PK-NrJL4PPh3UAFQ2M5eQ@mail.gmail.com>

"... in rivers in England, America, Canada, and New Zealand" --  but not in
India?

Rich Salomon

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:29 PM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> The grids on the sides of the cubes are indeed magic squares. Every row
> of numbers, whether read orthogonally or diagonally, adds up to 36,
> which identify the magic squares as associated with R?hu. This is also
> borne out by the inscriptions at the bottom which read: "aum r?have
> nama?".
>
> A quick search online reveals several reports of circular and triangular
> tokens with magic squares of either R?hu or Ketu turning up in rivers in
> England, America, Canada, and New Zealand. E.g.:
>
> [1] http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=20365.0
>
> [2]
>
> http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/286825-lead-elephant-coins-lead-bull-squares.html
>
> A poster on the latter forum states that: "I saw this a few summers ago
> in St. Louis MO. There was a whole family beside the river and two were
> throwing these type coins in and a few other items. Didn't ask anything
> as you could tell they were trying to keep it private."
>
> I did not find any reports about cubes, but the circular tokens can, for
> instance, be bought here:
>
> https://www.nanubhaiindia.com/products/283-rahu-yantra-coin.aspx
>
> I wonder if it would be considered inauspicious to pick them up, or
> whether they would already have served their ritual purpose (whatever
> exactly that might have been)?
>
> Best,
> Jacob
>
> Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
> Postdoctoral Researcher
> University of Copenhagen
> Denmark
>
> Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY skrev den 2020-05-14 00:30:
> > How strange! I wonder if these are "magic squares," which Allen
> > Thrasher studied years ago (but I don't know if he's on this list).
> >
> > Rich Salomon
> >
> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:58 PM Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY
> > <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >
> >> Intriguing. However, not the River Thames, but the River Sowe at
> >> Coventry (the city in the MIdlands where Lady Godiva took her famous
> >> ride).
> >>
> >> Valerie J Roebuck
> >> Manchester, UK
> >>
> >>> On 13 May 2020, at 20:31, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY
> >>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear friends,
> >>>
> >>> Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture?
> >>> These were intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The
> >>> story from a local periodical is here:
> >>>
> >>
> >
> https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422
> >>>
> >>> I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but
> >>> maybe someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual
> >>> surrounding depositing such items in a body of water might be.
> >>>
> >>> All my best,
> >>> Charles
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Dr. Charles DiSimone
> >>> Ghent University _______________________________________________
> >>> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> >>> committee)
> >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
> >>> options or unsubscribe)
> >>
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From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Thu May 14 00:20:44 2020
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Wed, 13 May 20 20:20:44 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
In-Reply-To: <CA+bmU3ass7b7w4D800RPptaaGE4C6PK-NrJL4PPh3UAFQ2M5eQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D1DF93-3ED6-4A23-A1D5-34FF17327748@gmail.com>

The same site Jacob referenced for the coins also offers cubes: https://www.nanubhaiindia.com/category/1472-lead-ramal.aspx <https://www.nanubhaiindia.com/category/1472-lead-ramal.aspx>.

Elliot

> On May 13, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> "... in rivers in England, America, Canada, and New Zealand" --  but not in India?
> 
> Rich Salomon
> 
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:29 PM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> The grids on the sides of the cubes are indeed magic squares. Every row 
> of numbers, whether read orthogonally or diagonally, adds up to 36, 
> which identify the magic squares as associated with R?hu. This is also 
> borne out by the inscriptions at the bottom which read: "aum r?have 
> nama?".
> 
> A quick search online reveals several reports of circular and triangular 
> tokens with magic squares of either R?hu or Ketu turning up in rivers in 
> England, America, Canada, and New Zealand. E.g.:
> 
> [1] http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=20365.0 <http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=20365.0>
> 
> [2] 
> http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/286825-lead-elephant-coins-lead-bull-squares.html <http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/286825-lead-elephant-coins-lead-bull-squares.html>
> 
> A poster on the latter forum states that: "I saw this a few summers ago 
> in St. Louis MO. There was a whole family beside the river and two were 
> throwing these type coins in and a few other items. Didn't ask anything 
> as you could tell they were trying to keep it private."
> 
> I did not find any reports about cubes, but the circular tokens can, for 
> instance, be bought here:
> 
> https://www.nanubhaiindia.com/products/283-rahu-yantra-coin.aspx <https://www.nanubhaiindia.com/products/283-rahu-yantra-coin.aspx>
> 
> I wonder if it would be considered inauspicious to pick them up, or 
> whether they would already have served their ritual purpose (whatever 
> exactly that might have been)?
> 
> Best,
> Jacob
> 
> Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
> Postdoctoral Researcher
> University of Copenhagen
> Denmark
> 
> Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY skrev den 2020-05-14 00:30:
> > How strange! I wonder if these are "magic squares," which Allen
> > Thrasher studied years ago (but I don't know if he's on this list).
> > 
> > Rich Salomon
> > 
> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:58 PM Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY
> > <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> > 
> >> Intriguing. However, not the River Thames, but the River Sowe at
> >> Coventry (the city in the MIdlands where Lady Godiva took her famous
> >> ride).
> >> 
> >> Valerie J Roebuck
> >> Manchester, UK
> >> 
> >>> On 13 May 2020, at 20:31, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY
> >>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Dear friends,
> >>> 
> >>> Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture?
> >>> These were intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The
> >>> story from a local periodical is here:
> >>> 
> >> 
> > https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422 <https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422>
> >>> 
> >>> I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but
> >>> maybe someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual
> >>> surrounding depositing such items in a body of water might be.
> >>> 
> >>> All my best,
> >>> Charles
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> 
> >>> Dr. Charles DiSimone
> >>> Ghent University _______________________________________________
> >>> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
> >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-owner at list.indology.info> (messages to the list's managing
> >>> committee)
> >>> http://listinfo.indology.info <http://listinfo.indology.info/> (where you can change your list
> >>> options or unsubscribe)
> >> 
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Thu May 14 02:07:39 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 07:37:39 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
In-Reply-To: <45D1DF93-3ED6-4A23-A1D5-34FF17327748@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eZwrAr0Dwg9hLL3a6cqzSSeUTdTtOBhWg0uoggujzNDng@mail.gmail.com>

This is a September ,2019 article:

https://www.beachcombingmagazine.com/blogs/news/mudlarking-modern-sacred-river

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 5:51 AM Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> The same site Jacob referenced for the coins also offers cubes:
> https://www.nanubhaiindia.com/category/1472-lead-ramal.aspx.
>
> Elliot
>
> On May 13, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> "... in rivers in England, America, Canada, and New Zealand" --  but not
> in India?
>
> Rich Salomon
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:29 PM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> The grids on the sides of the cubes are indeed magic squares. Every row
>> of numbers, whether read orthogonally or diagonally, adds up to 36,
>> which identify the magic squares as associated with R?hu. This is also
>> borne out by the inscriptions at the bottom which read: "aum r?have
>> nama?".
>>
>> A quick search online reveals several reports of circular and triangular
>> tokens with magic squares of either R?hu or Ketu turning up in rivers in
>> England, America, Canada, and New Zealand. E.g.:
>>
>> [1] http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=20365.0
>>
>> [2]
>>
>> http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/286825-lead-elephant-coins-lead-bull-squares.html
>>
>> A poster on the latter forum states that: "I saw this a few summers ago
>> in St. Louis MO. There was a whole family beside the river and two were
>> throwing these type coins in and a few other items. Didn't ask anything
>> as you could tell they were trying to keep it private."
>>
>> I did not find any reports about cubes, but the circular tokens can, for
>> instance, be bought here:
>>
>> https://www.nanubhaiindia.com/products/283-rahu-yantra-coin.aspx
>>
>> I wonder if it would be considered inauspicious to pick them up, or
>> whether they would already have served their ritual purpose (whatever
>> exactly that might have been)?
>>
>> Best,
>> Jacob
>>
>> Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
>> Postdoctoral Researcher
>> University of Copenhagen
>> Denmark
>>
>> Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY skrev den 2020-05-14 00:30:
>> > How strange! I wonder if these are "magic squares," which Allen
>> > Thrasher studied years ago (but I don't know if he's on this list).
>> >
>> > Rich Salomon
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:58 PM Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY
>> > <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Intriguing. However, not the River Thames, but the River Sowe at
>> >> Coventry (the city in the MIdlands where Lady Godiva took her famous
>> >> ride).
>> >>
>> >> Valerie J Roebuck
>> >> Manchester, UK
>> >>
>> >>> On 13 May 2020, at 20:31, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY
>> >>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear friends,
>> >>>
>> >>> Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture?
>> >>> These were intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The
>> >>> story from a local periodical is here:
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422
>> >>>
>> >>> I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but
>> >>> maybe someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual
>> >>> surrounding depositing such items in a body of water might be.
>> >>>
>> >>> All my best,
>> >>> Charles
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> Dr. Charles DiSimone
>> >>> Ghent University _______________________________________________
>> >>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> >>> committee)
>> >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>> >>> options or unsubscribe)
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> committee)
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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Thu May 14 04:14:47 2020
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 04:14:47 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
Message-ID: <1589429247.S.87374.autosave.drafts.1589429687.24918@webmail.rediffmail.com>

Dr.Disimone,
Thank yoy very much for this thought-provoking post.It's curious and intriguing indeed.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;However,&nbsp; I am curious to know as to whether any speculations can be made&nbsp; regarding the possible time-frame, during&nbsp; which the lead cubes may have existed ?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Alakendu Das.


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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Thu May 14 04:37:36 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 00:37:36 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tantra and Music
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Dear Palaniappan,

I just came across this reference in James Mallinson's The Roots of Yoga.
Not a 13th century tantric text theorizing on music but a 13th century
musicological text theorizing about a tantric/yogic concept (the cakras).

 a passage from a thirteenth-century musicological text, the
Sa?g?taratn?kara, on the various emotional states which result from
situating the self in the petals of the cakras (2.120?45, (5.3.7)).

Mallinson, James. Roots of Yoga (Penguin Classics) (p. 177). Penguin Books
Ltd. Kindle Edition.


Sa?g?taratn?kara 2.120?39. The emotional states resulting from situating
the self in the petals of the cakras:51 (120?21) Between the anus and penis
is the cakra called the Base (?dh?ra), which has four petals. The result
[of situating the self] on those petals, Ai??na and the others, [?gneya,
Nair?ta and V?yavya], is supreme bliss (param?nanda), natural bliss
(sahaj?nanda), heroic bliss (v?r?nanda) and yoga bliss (yog?nanda). In the
Base lotus is Ku??alin?, the ?akti of Brahman. (122) When she straightens
as far as the aperture of Brahman she bestows the nectar of immortality. At
the base of the penis is the Sv?dhi??h?na cakra, which has six petals.
(123) In its petals, in sequence from the east, are said to be these
results: modesty, cruelty, loss of pride, swooning, (124) scorn and
mistrust. It is the home of the power of love (k?ma?akti). At the navel is
the cakra with ten petals called Ma?ip?raka. (125?7) In its petals, in
sequence from the east, are deep sleep, desire, envy, slander, shame, fear,
compassion, stupor, impurity [and] anxiety, and it is the abode of the
[pr??a called] sun. At the heart is the An?hata cakra. It is designated as
the site of the worship of ?iva in the form of the syllable o?. It has
twelve petals. The removal of unsteadiness, clear reasoning, remorse,
(128?9) hope, openness, worry, longing, equanimity, insincere religiosity,
fickleness, discernment and hubris: these, in sequence, are said to be the
results for the self when situated in its petals, starting with the east.
In the throat is the place of Bh?rat? [the goddess of speech], the Vi?uddhi
[cakra], which has sixteen petals. (130?31) The following sixteen results
arise in the self when it is situated in its petals, starting with the
east: the syllable o?, the Udg?tha (i.e. the second part of a Vedic S?man
chant), [the offering words] hu?pha?, va?a?, svadh?, sv?h? [and] nama?, the
nectar of immortality, the seven musical notes beginning with ?a?ja [i.e.
?a?ja, ??abha, G?ndh?ra, Madhyama, Pa?cama, Dhaivata and Ni??da, and]
poison. At the uvula is the cakra called Lalan?, which has twelve petals.
(132) Intoxication, pride, affection, sorrow [i.e. suffering whose cause is
known], melancholy [i.e. suffering whose cause is not known], excessive
greed, discontent, panic, the ?wave? (?rmi) [i.e. hunger and thirst, sorrow
and delusion, old age and death], belief, faith [and] courtesy: (133) these
are the results [of situating the self] in the petals beginning with the
east in the Lalan? cakra. Between the eyebrows is the three-petalled cakra
called ?j??. [Its] results are (134) taught to be manifestations of [the
gu?as] sattva, rajas and tamas in sequence. Next is the Manas cakra, which
has six petals. Its results are, (135) in the petals starting with the
east: sleep, enjoyment of taste, smell, perception of form, touch and
cognition of sound. (136) Next is the sixteen-petalled cakra called Soma.
In its sixteen petals are found sixteen parts (kal?s). (137) Compassion,
patience, rectitude, steadfastness, dispassion, resolve, joy, laughter,
horripilation, tears produced by meditation, steadiness, (138) profundity,
effort, clarity, generosity and focus: [these] results arise in sequence in
a self moving through [its] petals, starting with the east. (139) In the
aperture of Brahman is the nectarean cakra with a thousand petals. It
nourishes the body with streams of nectar.

Mallinson, James. Roots of Yoga (Penguin Classics) (pp. 206-208). Penguin
Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.


Harry Spier

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 2:10 PM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Scholars,
>
>
>
> I am looking for any information on Tantric texts theorizing about music
> around 13th century CE or earlier.
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Palaniappan
>
>
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From mark.allon at sydney.edu.au  Thu May 14 05:15:09 2020
From: mark.allon at sydney.edu.au (Mark Allon)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 05:15:09 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
In-Reply-To: <CADKD_zj-24t4Rs8For+pFmNWdV1F1z0L0xpoU46DKdjFescT_g@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Charles,

A couple of years ago while looking along the foreshore of Sydney Harbour at low tide, I found similar tokens plus images of Ganesh and Lakshmi (attached). The park bordering the harbour here is used for weddings because of the wonderful backdrop of the Opera House, etc. and there is a healthy South Asian community in Sydney. A couple of years ago the Bhagavadg?t? was used by a State parliamentarian in Sydney for his swearing in ceremony for the first time, while the Opera House was lit up the same year for Holi. As the only lecturer in Sanskrit in the State at that time, I thought it was pretty amazing that I should stumble across them.

I took the tokens/coins to be the Sri Budh Yantra. If that is correct, then Budh (Mercury) apparently covers communication skills, IQ, education, and much more, so I though they may have been cast there by students before exams, or the like, rather than associated with a wedding. Of course, the tokens and images may be unrelated.

Best wishes
Mark

Dr Mark Allon
Chair, Dept. of Indian Subcontinental Studies
The University of Sydney
Australia



From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> On Behalf Of Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY
Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 9:31 PM
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River

Dear friends,

Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture? These were intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The story from a local periodical is here:
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422<https://protect-au.mimecast.com/s/dZ4SCk81N9tg11w3T2S_rA?domain=coventrytelegraph.net>

I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but maybe someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual surrounding depositing such items in a body of water might be.

All my best,
Charles

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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Thu May 14 05:45:17 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 11:15:17 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lead cubes with Indic numeration found in Thames River
In-Reply-To: <f3fda3df7fa8e4363a730be65d64cd6f@fabularasa.dk>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eZL70HcDfP0W2q=9p7DvEinZnUmWb2YY83nsn7a+yKrjg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dr Jacob Schmidt,

> I wonder if it would be considered inauspicious to pick them up, or
whether they would already have served their ritual purpose (whatever
exactly that might have been)?

As per the occult beliefs around such occult practices, there is no harm
such objects inflict on the person who collects them.

Warding off of the evil (ill fate in this case) which is intended in such
practices is done through two kinds of rituals.

1. Transfer of evil

2. Desruction or  throwing away or washing off

In the method #1, the objects used for the removal of evil eye are believed
to collect evil eye into themselves and are believed to transfer to the
person crossing them over.

In the method #2, the objects used to for the removal of dosha are thrown
into flowing water or any such nature form that can destroy, take away or
wash off the dosha.

The objects found in the present instance belong to method #2 . So, as per
the belief system of their users, the flowing river waters would have
washed off the evil (in this case , ill fate ).

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 4:59 AM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> The grids on the sides of the cubes are indeed magic squares. Every row
> of numbers, whether read orthogonally or diagonally, adds up to 36,
> which identify the magic squares as associated with R?hu. This is also
> borne out by the inscriptions at the bottom which read: "aum r?have
> nama?".
>
> A quick search online reveals several reports of circular and triangular
> tokens with magic squares of either R?hu or Ketu turning up in rivers in
> England, America, Canada, and New Zealand. E.g.:
>
> [1] http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=20365.0
>
> [2]
>
> http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/286825-lead-elephant-coins-lead-bull-squares.html
>
> A poster on the latter forum states that: "I saw this a few summers ago
> in St. Louis MO. There was a whole family beside the river and two were
> throwing these type coins in and a few other items. Didn't ask anything
> as you could tell they were trying to keep it private."
>
> I did not find any reports about cubes, but the circular tokens can, for
> instance, be bought here:
>
> https://www.nanubhaiindia.com/products/283-rahu-yantra-coin.aspx
>
> I wonder if it would be considered inauspicious to pick them up, or
> whether they would already have served their ritual purpose (whatever
> exactly that might have been)?
>
> Best,
> Jacob
>
> Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
> Postdoctoral Researcher
> University of Copenhagen
> Denmark
>
> Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY skrev den 2020-05-14 00:30:
> > How strange! I wonder if these are "magic squares," which Allen
> > Thrasher studied years ago (but I don't know if he's on this list).
> >
> > Rich Salomon
> >
> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:58 PM Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY
> > <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >
> >> Intriguing. However, not the River Thames, but the River Sowe at
> >> Coventry (the city in the MIdlands where Lady Godiva took her famous
> >> ride).
> >>
> >> Valerie J Roebuck
> >> Manchester, UK
> >>
> >>> On 13 May 2020, at 20:31, Charles DiSimone via INDOLOGY
> >>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear friends,
> >>>
> >>> Is anybody familiar with the lead cubes in the attached picture?
> >>> These were intriguingly found in the Thames River recently. The
> >>> story from a local periodical is here:
> >>>
> >>
> >
> https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mystery-60-peculiar-cubes-inscriptions-18232422
> >>>
> >>> I imagine these were deposited in the river rather recently, but
> >>> maybe someone knows more. I?m curious what the ritual
> >>> surrounding depositing such items in a body of water might be.
> >>>
> >>> All my best,
> >>> Charles
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Dr. Charles DiSimone
> >>> Ghent University _______________________________________________
> >>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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> >>> committee)
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> >>> options or unsubscribe)
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
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From rblinderman at g.harvard.edu  Thu May 14 13:04:10 2020
From: rblinderman at g.harvard.edu (Blinderman, Radha)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 15:04:10 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Searching for a manuscript from Aufrecht's Florentine Sanskrit Manuscript Catalogue
Message-ID: <CAM56PcqW6XA+s-6HNT09ooxs8=XrQJ+XQLNkC5SkEXEbwKz1uw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Thank you very much for adding me to the list! I hope someone can help me
with advice regarding the Florentine Manuscript Collection catalogued by T.
Aufrecht (1892,
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.313471/page/n1/mode/2up). I
am looking for a manuscript of the Prabodhaprak??as?ra (454) in the
Instituto di Studi Superiori, which Aufrecht lists on p.156 of the
'Florentine Sanskrit Manuscripts' as well as on p.79 of the Catalogus
Catalogorum (1891,
https://archive.org/details/b30094124_0002/page/n87/mode/2up).
What would be the best way to find out if the Instituto di Studi Superiori
still exists and whether or not it has the manuscript? Who is the right
person to contact if I want to procure a scan of the manuscript (of course
when travel resumes and libraries begin to function safely)? I would very
much appreciate some advice.

Sincerely,
Radhika


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From andra.kleb at gmail.com  Thu May 14 13:23:33 2020
From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (andra.kleb at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 22:23:33 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tantra and Music
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o9V84-Fx1-rzoGetL96rAqs25fke_OewWF1u01vT4f5cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76c10387-42f4-4c1b-8f4d-c687121a6718@Spark>

Dear Palaniappan,

There are several articles by Masato Kitado dealing with different aspects of the Sa?g?taratn?kara, which may be of interest for you. I happen to have a scan of one of them (see attached).

best,
Andrey
On 14. May 2020, 14:34 +0900, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>, wrote:
> Dear Palaniappan,
>
> I just came across this reference in James Mallinson's?The Roots of Yoga.
> Not a 13th century tantric text theorizing on music but a 13th century musicological text theorizing about a tantric/yogic concept (the cakras).
>
> ?a passage from a thirteenth-century musicological text, the Sa?g?taratn?kara, on the various emotional states which result from situating the self in the petals of the cakras (2.120?45, (5.3.7)).
> Mallinson, James. Roots of Yoga (Penguin Classics) (p. 177). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.
>
> Sa?g?taratn?kara 2.120?39. The emotional states resulting from situating the self in the petals of the cakras:51 (120?21) Between the anus and penis is the cakra called the Base (?dh?ra), which has four petals. The result [of situating the self] on those petals, Ai??na and the others, [?gneya, Nair?ta and V?yavya], is supreme bliss (param?nanda), natural bliss (sahaj?nanda), heroic bliss (v?r?nanda) and yoga bliss (yog?nanda). In the Base lotus is Ku??alin?, the ?akti of Brahman. (122) When she straightens as far as the aperture of Brahman she bestows the nectar of immortality. At the base of the penis is the Sv?dhi??h?na cakra, which has six petals. (123) In its petals, in sequence from the east, are said to be these results: modesty, cruelty, loss of pride, swooning, (124) scorn and mistrust. It is the home of the power of love (k?ma?akti). At the navel is the cakra with ten petals called Ma?ip?raka. (125?7) In its petals, in sequence from the east, are deep sleep, desire, envy, slander, shame, fear, compassion, stupor, impurity [and] anxiety, and it is the abode of the [pr??a called] sun. At the heart is the An?hata cakra. It is designated as the site of the worship of ?iva in the form of the syllable o?. It has twelve petals. The removal of unsteadiness, clear reasoning, remorse, (128?9) hope, openness, worry, longing, equanimity, insincere religiosity, fickleness, discernment and hubris: these, in sequence, are said to be the results for the self when situated in its petals, starting with the east. In the throat is the place of Bh?rat? [the goddess of speech], the Vi?uddhi [cakra], which has sixteen petals. (130?31) The following sixteen results arise in the self when it is situated in its petals, starting with the east: the syllable o?, the Udg?tha (i.e. the second part of a Vedic S?man chant), [the offering words] hu?pha?, va?a?, svadh?, sv?h? [and] nama?, the nectar of immortality, the seven musical notes beginning with ?a?ja [i.e. ?a?ja, ??abha, G?ndh?ra, Madhyama, Pa?cama, Dhaivata and Ni??da, and] poison. At the uvula is the cakra called Lalan?, which has twelve petals. (132) Intoxication, pride, affection, sorrow [i.e. suffering whose cause is known], melancholy [i.e. suffering whose cause is not known], excessive greed, discontent, panic, the ?wave? (?rmi) [i.e. hunger and thirst, sorrow and delusion, old age and death], belief, faith [and] courtesy: (133) these are the results [of situating the self] in the petals beginning with the east in the Lalan? cakra. Between the eyebrows is the three-petalled cakra called ?j??. [Its] results are (134) taught to be manifestations of [the gu?as] sattva, rajas and tamas in sequence. Next is the Manas cakra, which has six petals. Its results are, (135) in the petals starting with the east: sleep, enjoyment of taste, smell, perception of form, touch and cognition of sound. (136) Next is the sixteen-petalled cakra called Soma. In its sixteen petals are found sixteen parts (kal?s). (137) Compassion, patience, rectitude, steadfastness, dispassion, resolve, joy, laughter, horripilation, tears produced by meditation, steadiness, (138) profundity, effort, clarity, generosity and focus: [these] results arise in sequence in a self moving through [its] petals, starting with the east. (139) In the aperture of Brahman is the nectarean cakra with a thousand petals. It nourishes the body with streams of nectar.
> Mallinson, James. Roots of Yoga (Penguin Classics) (pp. 206-208). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.
>
> Harry Spier
>
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 2:10 PM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> > > Dear Scholars,
> > >
> > > I am looking for any information on Tantric texts theorizing about music around 13th century CE or earlier.
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Palaniappan
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > INDOLOGY mailing list
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From borayin.larios at gmail.com  Thu May 14 14:25:39 2020
From: borayin.larios at gmail.com (Borayin M. Larios)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 16:25:39 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request
Message-ID: <CACX-urV-p8Ks4Orv5e7abmg5=DG5cJbhLVijnfwR3THYd7SDyw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

I hope this email finds you in good health and spirit.
I have been trying to get a hold of a digital copy of the Proceedings of
the All-India Oriental Conference, twenty-fifth session, Jadavpur
University, Calcutta, October, 1969. Poona, All-India Oriental Conference,
Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute.
Would anyone happen to have a digital copy? The digital resource available
at our university is not working today.

Best wishes,
Borayin

___________________
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Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde
Bereich S?dasienkunde
Uni-Campus AAKh, Hof 2.1
Spitalgasse 2-4
A-1090 Wien
Office: +431427743518
Mobile: +43 676 5530274 (new)
about.me/borayin.larios
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From andra.kleb at gmail.com  Thu May 14 15:13:33 2020
From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (andra.kleb at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 00:13:33 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] article search
In-Reply-To: <d430e956-e43c-42a4-a156-c2ed223b9aa7@Spark>
Message-ID: <d99463b3-83bc-4fa1-832c-a182a24fbcc8@Spark>

Dear all,

I wonder if anyone may have a scan of Toshihiro Wada?s 2003? article (and possibly also of the second part from 2005):

2003: ?The Generation of Sanskrit Texts in the New School of Indian Logic (1): From Ga?ge?a?s Tattvacint?ma?? to its Commentaries"?Journal of Studies for the lntegrated Text Science 1(1): 63-80.
2005: ?The Generation of Sanskrit Texts in the New School of Indian Logic (2): From Ga?ge?a?s Tattvacint?ma?? to its Commentaries"?Journal of Studies for the lntegrated Text Science 2(1): 43-58.

Many thanks in advance!

best,
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From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Thu May 14 17:02:49 2020
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 13:02:49 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Searching for a manuscript from Aufrecht's Florentine Sanskrit Manuscript Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <CAM56PcqW6XA+s-6HNT09ooxs8=XrQJ+XQLNkC5SkEXEbwKz1uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C89C4C-C99B-4717-81BE-BB43C42FD886@gmail.com>

According to an article in Wikipedia (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istituto_di_Studi_Superiori_di_Firenze <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istituto_di_Studi_Superiori_di_Firenze>), the institute was transformed into the Universit? degli Studi di Firenze in 1924. I suggest starting your search at their website (https://www.unifi.it/changelang-eng.html <https://www.unifi.it/changelang-eng.html>). There is a description of an oriental mss. collection here: https://www.sba.unifi.it/p1590.html <https://www.sba.unifi.it/p1590.html>. 




> On May 14, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Blinderman, Radha via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
>  Instituto di Studi Superiori,

Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
emstern1948 at gmail.com
267-240-8418





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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Thu May 14 18:21:37 2020
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 18:21:37 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Searching for a manuscript from Aufrecht's Florentine Sanskrit Manuscript Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <56C89C4C-C99B-4717-81BE-BB43C42FD886@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7698951B-5F17-46E9-B7D4-01B849884363@austin.utexas.edu>

You may want to contact Fabrizia Baldissera who teaches/taught at the University of Florence. Her email is: fabriziabal at gmail.com<mailto:fabriziabal at gmail.com>


Patrick



On May 14, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

According to an article in Wikipedia (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istituto_di_Studi_Superiori_di_Firenze), the institute was transformed into the Universit? degli Studi di Firenze in 1924. I suggest starting your search at their website (https://www.unifi.it/changelang-eng.html). There is a description of an oriental mss. collection here: https://www.sba.unifi.it/p1590.html.




On May 14, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Blinderman, Radha via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

 Instituto di Studi Superiori,

Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
emstern1948 at gmail.com<mailto:emstern1948 at gmail.com>
267-240-8418



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From chris_gibbons at me.com  Fri May 15 00:55:42 2020
From: chris_gibbons at me.com (CHRISTOPHER GIBBONS)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 10:55:42 +1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Scholarship on the practice of self-starvation in Buddhism
Message-ID: <633C09FA-AE20-4126-B166-2E81F0EE8A22@me.com>

Dear List Members,

I have a student doing research for an essay on the practice of self-starvation in Buddhism, specifically the Shingon concept of self-starvation and mummification called sokushin j?butsu in Japanese.

It is not my area of expertise and would be very grateful for any recommendations of scholarship on this topic to pass on to the student.

Many thanks,

Chris Gibbons
UQ, Brisbane, Australia.


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri May 15 02:10:20 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 20:10:20 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Searching for a manuscript from Aufrecht's Florentine Sanskrit Manuscript Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <CAM56PcqW6XA+s-6HNT09ooxs8=XrQJ+XQLNkC5SkEXEbwKz1uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CeXRxmXy+iMjhoPz6URqaVrQ5mrR1+UhaokNQdkGu1ktQ@mail.gmail.com>

At one time, Pearson was a useful guide for this kind of question:
Pearson, J. D. *Oriental Manuscripts in Europe and North America: A Survey*.
Zug: Inter Documentation, 1971. )Worldcat
<http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/462814265>)

Best,
Dominik Wujastyk


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri May 15 02:11:44 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 14 May 20 20:11:44 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with two articles
In-Reply-To: <LO2P265MB0304109C0F45141B20637C5F8EBE0@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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you could also just write to Jerry: <jplosty at hotmail.com>


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From szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com  Fri May 15 06:40:25 2020
From: szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?UMOpdGVyLUTDoW5pZWwgU3rDoW50w7M=?=)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 08:40:25 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a thesis
Message-ID: <CANS3gumzxven9uBj5HO8U2_LOxMW5vHZ9wtsJGRvdy0kRCZH1A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

Does anyone have a copy of Uma Srivastava, An edition of Arjuna-Pa??ita?s
commentary on the K?dambar? (Uttarabh?ga) (with an introduction and notes
in English). PhD thesis, University of Toronto, 1979.? I'd be very
grateful.

Best wishes,
Peter Szanto


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From szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com  Fri May 15 07:42:15 2020
From: szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?UMOpdGVyLUTDoW5pZWwgU3rDoW50w7M=?=)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 09:42:15 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a thesis
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Many thanks to Alastair Gornall for coming to the rescue! p

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:40 AM P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? <
szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> Does anyone have a copy of Uma Srivastava, An edition of Arjuna-Pa??ita?s
> commentary on the K?dambar? (Uttarabh?ga) (with an introduction and notes
> in English). PhD thesis, University of Toronto, 1979.? I'd be very
> grateful.
>
> Best wishes,
> Peter Szanto
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Fri May 15 09:36:48 2020
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 11:36:48 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Scholarship on the practice of self-starvation in Buddhism
In-Reply-To: <633C09FA-AE20-4126-B166-2E81F0EE8A22@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4LWoO20S7NidFGTVRvgJu5R14GMC0GaEqoJ6nv6kPrJqA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Chris
I cannot answer your question, but perhaps better to ask at the H-Buddhism
list. However, I can say that to my (of course incomplete) knowledge, *sokushin
j?butsu* does not mean/have anything to do with self-starvation or
mummification, but means becoming a buddha in this very body (rather than
after death). Perhaps it is held that some practices lead to this, but I
would be surprised if the term were used for the practices themselves.

Jonathan Silk

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:56 AM CHRISTOPHER GIBBONS via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear List Members,
>
> I have a student doing research for an essay on the practice of
> self-starvation in Buddhism, specifically the Shingon concept of
> self-starvation and mummification called *sokushin j?butsu* in Japanese.
>
> It is not my area of expertise and would be very grateful for any
> recommendations of scholarship on this topic to pass on to the student.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Chris Gibbons
> UQ, Brisbane, Australia.
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From dharmayuddha2017 at gmail.com  Fri May 15 12:08:23 2020
From: dharmayuddha2017 at gmail.com (Veeranarayanacharya Pandurangi)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 17:38:23 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada
Message-ID: <CAM+oyOed3q3vQ6o1c2Tjro8Au8iq8+j1vHcHpTQjHwLG1o1-pA@mail.gmail.com>

it is what shankaracharya has to say about Maya in BSB (various quotations)

 ???? ?????? ? ???????????????????????????????????? ???? ?????????????????
, ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?

????????????? ?? ?? ????????????????????????????? ?????????????? ???????
????????????, ?????? ???????????????????? ????? ???????? ????? ?
???????????? ????????????????????????? ? ??????????? ????????? ???????????
????? ????????? (??. ?. ? ? ? ? ??) ??? ??????? ; ???????????????????? ?
????????????? ???? (??. ?. ? ? ? ? ?) ??? ??????? ; ????????????? ??????? ?
?????? ?? ???????? ?????????????? ?? ?????????? (????. ?. ? ? ??) ???
????????????? ; ???????? ?? ?? ????, ????????????????????????????????? ?

?????? ?????????? ? ??? ????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ?
??????????? , ???????????? , ??? ?????????? *?????????? *? ?????????? ??? ;
??? ? ???????????? ???????????????? ? ???????????,
??????????????????????????????? ,
???????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????? ? ??????????? ?
*?????????? ??????? , ???????????????????????????????????* , ??????? ??
??????????????? ? ????????? ??????????????????????????????????? ? ?
?????????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????????? ? ?????????????????????? ??????? ????
(??. ??. ? ? ??)
<https://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/Mandukya?page=1&id=MK_C01_K16&hl=%20%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B%20%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%83%20%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%87%C2%A0%E0%A5%A4%20%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%82%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%87%20%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BE>
 ??? ?

?????????????????????????? ???????????????? ??????? ??????????????????
??????????? ??????????????????? *?????????????????? ?????????? *???????????
? ????????????????????????

??????????????????????*??????????????????*????????????????????? ?

???????????? *?????????????????????????? , ??????????????* ? ?????????????

???????? ?? ???????????*??????????????????????????????* ???????????????????
? ?????????? ?

? ? ???????????????????????????? ???????????? ; ??????????? ?? ?
???????????????????????????? (???. ??. ? ? ? ? ??)
<https://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/BS?page=2&id=BS_C02_S01_V14&hl=%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AD%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%83>
 ??????? ???????? ?????????? ?????????????? ?

Gitabhashya
??? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ???????

Bhamati various quotations
?????? ???? ??????????? ?? ? ???? ???????? ???????? ?
???????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????????????? ?????????? ???????? ???? ?
?????????? ?????????????????
???????????? ????????????? ??????????????????????? ???????????? ?
???????????? ? ??????????? ???????????? ??????????????

It is not inappropriate to call advaitins as Mayavadins, as themselves call
as Mayavadins. it is clear from Bhamati etc.


https://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/search/advanced?stringData=%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Isha&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Kena_pada&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Kena_vakya&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Kathaka&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Prashna&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Mundaka&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Mandukya&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Taitiriya&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Aitareya&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Chandogya&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Brha&check_bhashya%5B%5D=Gita&check_bhashya%5B%5D=BS&submit=%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B7%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D




On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:35 AM Michael Williams via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I would just add that the M?dhvas usually use the term m?y?-v?din to
> refer to Advaitin philosophers. It is clear that it has a pejorative
> force, particularly in texts like the Madhvavijaya (the most famous
> biography of Madhva). The Madhvavijaya makes a lot of the fact that the
> compound can be interpreted as a straightforward statement of the
> Advaitins' position (they are "philosophers who hold that [the world] is
> illusion"), but also with a pejorative sense as "a proponent of the
> fraudulent/false philosophy?. The M?dhvas widely refer to themselves by
> contrast as tattva-v?dins ("proponents of the doctrine that [the world]
> is real" / "proponents of the truth").
>


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From james.hartzell at gmail.com  Fri May 15 16:01:36 2020
From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 18:01:36 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tilopa's Mahamudra Gangama (also called the Ganges Mahamudra)
Message-ID: <3F0D58E8-A71B-451A-8C2A-22024CC54E0F@gmail.com>

Hi 

Does anyone know of an extant (ideally digital edited) Sanskrit text of Mahamudra Upadesa Gangama (also called the Ganges Mahamudra)? 
A colleague not on the Indology list asked.

Cheers
James






From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Fri May 15 16:13:29 2020
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 16:13:29 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Searching for a manuscript from Aufrecht's Florentine Sanskrit Manuscript Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CeXRxmXy+iMjhoPz6URqaVrQ5mrR1+UhaokNQdkGu1ktQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB0304AFFE9DE565E1952CFD8F8EBD0@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

All Sanskrit manuscripts described by Aufrecht are now kept at the Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Firenze:

https://www.bncf.firenze.sbn.it/pagina.php?id=110

You have to contact them and ask about the current situation regarding digital orders.

Best wishes,

Camillo

________________________________
From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 3:10 AM
To: Blinderman, Radha <rblinderman at g.harvard.edu>
Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Searching for a manuscript from Aufrecht's Florentine Sanskrit Manuscript Catalogue

At one time, Pearson was a useful guide for this kind of question:
Pearson, J. D. Oriental Manuscripts in Europe and North America: A Survey. Zug: Inter Documentation, 1971. )Worldcat<http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/462814265>)

Best,
Dominik Wujastyk


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From palaniappa at aol.com  Fri May 15 18:57:13 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 13:57:13 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tantra and Music
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o9V84-Fx1-rzoGetL96rAqs25fke_OewWF1u01vT4f5cw@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Harry,

 

Thank you for information on how Sangita Ratnakara engages with tantra/yoga.

 

Regards,

Palaniappan 

 

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 11:38 PM
Cc: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tantra and Music

 

Dear Palaniappan,

 

I just came across this reference in James Mallinson's The Roots of Yoga.

Not a 13th century tantric text theorizing on music but a 13th century musicological text theorizing about a tantric/yogic concept (the cakras).

 

 a passage from a thirteenth-century musicological text, the Sa?g?taratn?kara, on the various emotional states which result from situating the self in the petals of the cakras (2.120?45, (5.3.7)).

Mallinson, James. Roots of Yoga (Penguin Classics) (p. 177). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition. 

 

Sa?g?taratn?kara 2.120?39. The emotional states resulting from situating the self in the petals of the cakras:51 (120?21) Between the anus and penis is the cakra called the Base (?dh?ra), which has four petals. The result [of situating the self] on those petals, Ai??na and the others, [?gneya, Nair?ta and V?yavya], is supreme bliss (param?nanda), natural bliss (sahaj?nanda), heroic bliss (v?r?nanda) and yoga bliss (yog?nanda). In the Base lotus is Ku??alin?, the ?akti of Brahman. (122) When she straightens as far as the aperture of Brahman she bestows the nectar of immortality. At the base of the penis is the Sv?dhi??h?na cakra, which has six petals. (123) In its petals, in sequence from the east, are said to be these results: modesty, cruelty, loss of pride, swooning, (124) scorn and mistrust. It is the home of the power of love (k?ma?akti). At the navel is the cakra with ten petals called Ma?ip?raka. (125?7) In its petals, in sequence from the east, are deep sleep, desire, envy, slander, shame, fear, compassion, stupor, impurity [and] anxiety, and it is the abode of the [pr??a called] sun. At the heart is the An?hata cakra. It is designated as the site of the worship of ?iva in the form of the syllable o?. It has twelve petals. The removal of unsteadiness, clear reasoning, remorse, (128?9) hope, openness, worry, longing, equanimity, insincere religiosity, fickleness, discernment and hubris: these, in sequence, are said to be the results for the self when situated in its petals, starting with the east. In the throat is the place of Bh?rat? [the goddess of speech], the Vi?uddhi [cakra], which has sixteen petals. (130?31) The following sixteen results arise in the self when it is situated in its petals, starting with the east: the syllable o?, the Udg?tha (i.e. the second part of a Vedic S?man chant), [the offering words] hu?pha?, va?a?, svadh?, sv?h? [and] nama?, the nectar of immortality, the seven musical notes beginning with ?a?ja [i.e. ?a?ja, ??abha, G?ndh?ra, Madhyama, Pa?cama, Dhaivata and Ni??da, and] poison. At the uvula is the cakra called Lalan?, which has twelve petals. (132) Intoxication, pride, affection, sorrow [i.e. suffering whose cause is known], melancholy [i.e. suffering whose cause is not known], excessive greed, discontent, panic, the ?wave? (?rmi) [i.e. hunger and thirst, sorrow and delusion, old age and death], belief, faith [and] courtesy: (133) these are the results [of situating the self] in the petals beginning with the east in the Lalan? cakra. Between the eyebrows is the three-petalled cakra called ?j??. [Its] results are (134) taught to be manifestations of [the gu?as] sattva, rajas and tamas in sequence. Next is the Manas cakra, which has six petals. Its results are, (135) in the petals starting with the east: sleep, enjoyment of taste, smell, perception of form, touch and cognition of sound. (136) Next is the sixteen-petalled cakra called Soma. In its sixteen petals are found sixteen parts (kal?s). (137) Compassion, patience, rectitude, steadfastness, dispassion, resolve, joy, laughter, horripilation, tears produced by meditation, steadiness, (138) profundity, effort, clarity, generosity and focus: [these] results arise in sequence in a self moving through [its] petals, starting with the east. (139) In the aperture of Brahman is the nectarean cakra with a thousand petals. It nourishes the body with streams of nectar.

Mallinson, James. Roots of Yoga (Penguin Classics) (pp. 206-208). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.  

 

Harry Spier

 

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 2:10 PM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Scholars,

 

I am looking for any information on Tantric texts theorizing about music around 13th century CE or earlier. 

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

 

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From palaniappa at aol.com  Fri May 15 18:58:57 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 13:58:57 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tantra and Music
In-Reply-To: <76c10387-42f4-4c1b-8f4d-c687121a6718@Spark>
Message-ID: <C699D217-E56D-4DA7-BF17-463BEB0529A6@aol.com>

Dear Andrey,

 

Thank you very much for information about Masato Kitado and the article.

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

From: <andra.kleb at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM
To: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>, Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappant <palaniappa at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tantra and Music

 

Dear Palaniappan,

There are several articles by Masato Kitado dealing with different aspects of the Sa?g?taratn?kara, which may be of interest for you. I happen to have a scan of one of them (see attached).

 

best,
Andrey

On 14. May 2020, 14:34 +0900, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>, wrote:

Dear Palaniappan, 

 

I just came across this reference in James Mallinson's The Roots of Yoga.

Not a 13th century tantric text theorizing on music but a 13th century musicological text theorizing about a tantric/yogic concept (the cakras).

 

 a passage from a thirteenth-century musicological text, the Sa?g?taratn?kara, on the various emotional states which result from situating the self in the petals of the cakras (2.120?45, (5.3.7)).

Mallinson, James. Roots of Yoga (Penguin Classics) (p. 177). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.

 

Sa?g?taratn?kara 2.120?39. The emotional states resulting from situating the self in the petals of the cakras:51 (120?21) Between the anus and penis is the cakra called the Base (?dh?ra), which has four petals. The result [of situating the self] on those petals, Ai??na and the others, [?gneya, Nair?ta and V?yavya], is supreme bliss (param?nanda), natural bliss (sahaj?nanda), heroic bliss (v?r?nanda) and yoga bliss (yog?nanda). In the Base lotus is Ku??alin?, the ?akti of Brahman. (122) When she straightens as far as the aperture of Brahman she bestows the nectar of immortality. At the base of the penis is the Sv?dhi??h?na cakra, which has six petals. (123) In its petals, in sequence from the east, are said to be these results: modesty, cruelty, loss of pride, swooning, (124) scorn and mistrust. It is the home of the power of love (k?ma?akti). At the navel is the cakra with ten petals called Ma?ip?raka. (125?7) In its petals, in sequence from the east, are deep sleep, desire, envy, slander, shame, fear, compassion, stupor, impurity [and] anxiety, and it is the abode of the [pr??a called] sun. At the heart is the An?hata cakra. It is designated as the site of the worship of ?iva in the form of the syllable o?. It has twelve petals. The removal of unsteadiness, clear reasoning, remorse, (128?9) hope, openness, worry, longing, equanimity, insincere religiosity, fickleness, discernment and hubris: these, in sequence, are said to be the results for the self when situated in its petals, starting with the east. In the throat is the place of Bh?rat? [the goddess of speech], the Vi?uddhi [cakra], which has sixteen petals. (130?31) The following sixteen results arise in the self when it is situated in its petals, starting with the east: the syllable o?, the Udg?tha (i.e. the second part of a Vedic S?man chant), [the offering words] hu?pha?, va?a?, svadh?, sv?h? [and] nama?, the nectar of immortality, the seven musical notes beginning with ?a?ja [i.e. ?a?ja, ??abha, G?ndh?ra, Madhyama, Pa?cama, Dhaivata and Ni??da, and] poison. At the uvula is the cakra called Lalan?, which has twelve petals. (132) Intoxication, pride, affection, sorrow [i.e. suffering whose cause is known], melancholy [i.e. suffering whose cause is not known], excessive greed, discontent, panic, the ?wave? (?rmi) [i.e. hunger and thirst, sorrow and delusion, old age and death], belief, faith [and] courtesy: (133) these are the results [of situating the self] in the petals beginning with the east in the Lalan? cakra. Between the eyebrows is the three-petalled cakra called ?j??. [Its] results are (134) taught to be manifestations of [the gu?as] sattva, rajas and tamas in sequence. Next is the Manas cakra, which has six petals. Its results are, (135) in the petals starting with the east: sleep, enjoyment of taste, smell, perception of form, touch and cognition of sound. (136) Next is the sixteen-petalled cakra called Soma. In its sixteen petals are found sixteen parts (kal?s). (137) Compassion, patience, rectitude, steadfastness, dispassion, resolve, joy, laughter, horripilation, tears produced by meditation, steadiness, (138) profundity, effort, clarity, generosity and focus: [these] results arise in sequence in a self moving through [its] petals, starting with the east. (139) In the aperture of Brahman is the nectarean cakra with a thousand petals. It nourishes the body with streams of nectar.

Mallinson, James. Roots of Yoga (Penguin Classics) (pp. 206-208). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.  

 

Harry Spier

 

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 2:10 PM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Scholars,

 

I am looking for any information on Tantric texts theorizing about music around 13th century CE or earlier. 

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

 

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From westerhoff at cantab.net  Fri May 15 19:39:20 2020
From: westerhoff at cantab.net (Jan Westerhoff)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 20:39:20 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book: The non-existence of the real world
Message-ID: <56522.84.68.50.240.1589571560.squirrel@www.cantab.net>

Dear Colleagues,
some of you may be interested in this book, which has just come out:

Jan Westerhoff:

The non-existence of the real world.

Oxford University Press, 2020, 384 pp,

ISBN: 9780198847915

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-non-existence-of-the-real-world-9780198847915?cc=gb&lang=en&

While the book contains very few references to Indian philosophical
material (one, to be precise), it does attempt to provide a systematic
defence of some key positions of Madhyamaka thought and might, for this
reason, be of interest to some members of this list. Here is the blurb and
table of contents.

"Does the real world, defined as a world of objects that exist independent
of human interests, concerns, and cognitive activities, really exist? Jan
Westerhoff argues that we have good reason to believe it does not. His
discussion considers four main facets of the idea of the real world,
ranging from the existence of a separate external and internal world
(comprising various mental states congregated around a self), to the
existence of an ontological foundation that grounds the existence of all
the entities in the world, and the existence of an ultimately true theory
that provides a final account of all there is. As Westerhoff discusses the
reasons for rejecting the postulation of an external world behind our
representations, he asserts that the internal world is not as
epistemically transparent as is usually assumed, and that there are good
reasons for adopting an anti-foundational account of ontological
dependence. Drawing on conclusions from the ancient Indian philosophical
system of Madhyamaka Buddhism, Westerhoff defends his stance in a purely
Western philosophical framework, and affirms that ontology, and philosophy
more generally, need not be conceived as providing an ultimately true
theory of the world."


1: The non-existence of the external world
2: The non-existence of the internal world
3: The non-existence of ontological foundations
4: The non-existence of foundational truths



Very best wishes

Jan Westerhoff



**************************
JC Westerhoff
Professor of Buddhist Philosophy
Lady Margaret Hall
University of Oxford
Norham Gardens
Oxford OX2 6QA
United Kingdom

jan.westerhoff at lmh.ox.ac.uk
www.janwesterhoff.net









From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat May 16 00:51:08 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 18:51:08 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "History of Science in South Asia" for 2020 (so far)
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdDjxtF4ejasv6c=s9oV9+_FLa5efhK+cy+MozU8UzYAQ@mail.gmail.com>

The HSSA journal <http://hssa-journal.org> has been busy during the first
quarter of this year.  Four articles have been published so far (more are
in the pipeline).  Here's a snapshot of the 2020 title page:

[image: image.png] <http://image.png>

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.


South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat May 16 00:54:39 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 18:54:39 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ko=C5=9Ba_or_ko=E1=B9=A3a=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <5EBA6ED5020000C3000AC79B@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Ceo+UGyLtZMoQW6rCa3ekfKG2k9qQx-KunJWs2vFFMGwA@mail.gmail.com>

How fascinating.  Thank you, and thank you everyone who has kindly answered
with various interesting observations!

Dominik
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.


South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 01:39, Raik Strunz <
raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
>
> I. Scheftelowitz (*Zur Textkritik und Lautlehre des R?gveda*; In: *WZKM*
> 21 (1907): 85?142) notes regarding the Kashmiri *R?gveda* mss., that
> word-initial and -middle *s? *frequently turns to *s?* following *i??*,
> *u*, *o*, *e*, *r?*, *r*. In contrast, *s?* frequently turns to *s?*
> following *i*, *u*, *e*, *a*, *r*, *r?*, but never after *i?*, *u?*, *o*,
> *ai*, *au* (ibid. ?24ff. p.123ff.). He also gives explicit information on
> *kos?a/kos?a*, stating the latter to be a younger development found
> earliest in the Bra?hman?as and then the *MBh* (p.127).
>
> Best,
>
>
> Raik Strunz
>
>
>
>
>
> ???????????
>
>
>
> Raik Strunz, M.A.
>
>
> Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
>
> Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de
>
> Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655
>
>
> Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg
>
> Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften
>
> Seminar f?r Indologie
>
> Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9
>
> D-06108 Halle (Saale)
>
>
> www.indologie.uni-halle.de
>
>
> ???????????
>
>
> ??????????? ??????? ?
>
> >>> Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> 11.05.20
> 23.40 Uhr >>>
> I always thought the first, with ?, was correct, and the second was just
> an orthographic error.  Then I saw "-ko?a" on the title page of Ingalls's
> *Subh??itaratnako?a*
> <https://archive.org/details/ananthologyofsanskritprosepoetrysubhashitaratnakoshakosadanielingallsh.h.univers/page/n2/mode/2up>.
> He must have thought about this.
>
> So which is "right" and why?
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
> PS I haven't even done elementary due diligence on this question, beyond
> MW.
>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat May 16 03:04:38 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 15 May 20 21:04:38 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "History of Science in South Asia" for 2020 (so far)
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CdDjxtF4ejasv6c=s9oV9+_FLa5efhK+cy+MozU8UzYAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CfL3ubnMtgeWS3h7s4-Re0eBcFcaqOXkTu2Orpp_ZWO8w@mail.gmail.com>

If you want the journal, click hssa-journal.org.  Clicking the picture does
nothing.


On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 18:51, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> The HSSA journal <http://hssa-journal.org> has been busy during the first
> quarter of this year.  Four articles have been published so far (more are
> in the pipeline).  Here's a snapshot of the 2020 title page:
>
> [image: image.png] <http://image.png>
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>


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From dharmayuddha2017 at gmail.com  Sat May 16 07:17:51 2020
From: dharmayuddha2017 at gmail.com (Veeranarayanacharya Pandurangi)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 12:47:51 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about publication announcement on book on buddhism
Message-ID: <CAM+oyOdLSV4qKQBB8UJfJAaL0nj9gcyCfR6NJFunMQRYJFBoYA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All
I am finding it difficult to locate a publication announcement in Indology
list that appeared sometimes back.
It was about a new book on buddhism. author claimed that early buddhism was
not a revolutionary one, instead it was to represent real vedic spirit.
I would be grateful if any of members help me in knowing about this book.


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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Sat May 16 10:35:08 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 10:35:08 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] source(s) of a stanza
Message-ID: <AM6PR10MB242278B6F117E30BF6C1E776A5BA0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear colleagues,

Can anyone help me identify a Sm?ti source for this stanza?

str???m av?cyade?asya klinnan???vra?asya ca |
abhede 'pi manobhed?j jana? pr?ye?a va?cyate ||

I have an e-text of Vidy?ra?ya's J?vanmuktiviveka which says:

39. tath? ca sm?tibhir jugups? var?it?:
str???m av?cyade?asya klinnan???vra?asya ca |
abhede 'pi manobhed?j jana? pr?ye?a va?cyate || [NpU p. 160]

But I don't know which text is intended with "NpU" and anyhow would like to know if the stanza is attested more broadly.

I don't mean any offense in drawing attention to this stanza. I ask only because it happens to be transmitted on Bali in the S?rasamuccaya (stanza 89 in Raghu Vira's edition).

Thanks!

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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Sat May 16 10:59:01 2020
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 12:59:01 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] source(s) of a stanza
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR10MB242278B6F117E30BF6C1E776A5BA0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <0f5a102d-62f2-54d2-9e9e-8e1957b5dce4@gmail.com>

The stanza is cited by Olivelle 2011 p. 114 n30 and again p. 181

there you find NpvU 160.

I could also not find in this paper what NpvU means.


Best

Heiner


Am 16.05.2020 um 12:35 schrieb Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> Can anyone help me identify a Sm?ti source for this stanza?
>
> str???m av?cyade?asya klinnan???vra?asya ca |
> abhede 'pi manobhed?j jana? pr?ye?a va?cyate ||
>
> I have an e-text of Vidy?ra?ya's J?vanmuktiviveka which says:
>
> 39. tath? ca sm?tibhir jugups? var?it?:
> str???m av?cyade?asya klinnan???vra?asya ca |
> abhede 'pi manobhed?j jana? pr?ye?a va?cyate || [NpU p. 160]
>
> But I don't know which text is intended with "NpU" and anyhow would 
> like to know if the stanza is attested more broadly.
>
> I don't mean any offense in drawing attention to this stanza. I ask 
> only because it happens to be transmitted on Bali in the S?rasamuccaya 
> (stanza 89 in Raghu Vira's edition).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Arlo Griffiths
>
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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sat May 16 11:01:08 2020
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 13:01:08 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] source(s) of a stanza
In-Reply-To: <0f5a102d-62f2-54d2-9e9e-8e1957b5dce4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200516130108.Horde.K9popz0Zldz-jXa0PeYfx1z@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>


> I could also not find in this paper what NpvU means.

"NpU" = N?radaparivr?jaka-Upani?ad".

Best wishes,
Roland Steiner






From vglyssenko at yandex.ru  Sat May 16 11:03:28 2020
From: vglyssenko at yandex.ru (Viktoria Lysenko)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 14:03:28 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jinendrabuddhi pdf
Message-ID: <641721589626263@mail.yandex.ru>


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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Sat May 16 11:11:53 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 11:11:53 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] source(s) of a stanza
In-Reply-To: <20200516130108.Horde.K9popz0Zldz-jXa0PeYfx1z@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <AM6PR10MB2422900EF1387D82E8B188E4A5BA0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Thanks for responses received on and off list.

So now I know the stanza is attested in the N?radaparivr?jaka-Upani?ad. If any other source(s) can be identified, I shall be grateful to hear of them.

Thanks, and best wishes,

Arlo


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Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 11:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] source(s) of a stanza


> I could also not find in this paper what NpvU means.

"NpU" = N?radaparivr?jaka-Upani?ad".

Best wishes,
Roland Steiner


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From straubem at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sat May 16 11:11:52 2020
From: straubem at staff.uni-marburg.de (Martin Straube)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 13:11:52 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] source(s) of a stanza
In-Reply-To: <20200516130108.Horde.K9popz0Zldz-jXa0PeYfx1z@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <20200516131152.Horde.vtkB81ja0bBXPCEf86mdrvY@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>

See

Ch. Dikshit, The Samnyasa Upanisads ... Adyar Library, 1929, p. 80

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.283732/mode/2up

Martin Straube




-- 
Martin Straube
Research Fellow in Pali Lexicography
Pali Text Society

Philipps-Universit?t Marburg
Indologie und Tibetologie
Deutschhausstrasse 12
35032 Marburg
Germany






From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Sat May 16 11:24:31 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 11:24:31 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=C5=9A=C4=81r=E1=B9=85gadhara-paddhati?=
Message-ID: <AM6PR10MB2422A1FAFB726F4293E7AA64A5BA0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Does anyone have an e-text of the ??r?gadhara-paddhati?

Is seems to contain an occurrence of

bh?va?uddhir manu?yasya vij?ey? sarvakarmasu |
anyath? cumbyate k?nt? bh?vena duhit?nyath? ||

= Indische Spr?che 4579
= S?rasamuccaya 93

Thanks!

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From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Sat May 16 12:36:05 2020
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 08:36:05 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_=C5=9A=C4=81r=E1=B9=85gadhara-paddhati?=
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR10MB2422A1FAFB726F4293E7AA64A5BA0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <60A74B44-0BBD-44E2-AF2D-8A9B5D2D81BD@gmail.com>

https://archive.org/details/SarngadharaPaddhati/page/n743/mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/SarngadharaPaddhati/page/n743/mode/2up>

Verse 675.


Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
emstern1948 at gmail.com
267-240-8418


> On May 16, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have an e-text of the ??r?gadhara-paddhati?
> 
> Is seems to contain an occurrence of 
> 
> bh?va?uddhir manu?yasya vij?ey? sarvakarmasu |
> anyath? cumbyate k?nt? bh?vena duhit?nyath? ||
> 
> = Indische Spr?che 4579
> = S?rasamuccaya 93
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Arlo Griffiths
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From palaniappa at aol.com  Sat May 16 21:22:08 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 16:22:08 -0500
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_bind,_n=C4=81da_and_vocal_music?=
In-Reply-To: <3858A242-8FE5-47C1-9BA5-D9514FCAE760.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3858A242-8FE5-47C1-9BA5-D9514FCAE760@aol.com>

Dear Indologists,

 

There is a Tamil verse that talks about different actions involved in the production of vocal music. Interestingly, the first two involve bindu and n?da. ?According to a modern commentator, bindu has to rotate to produce the n?da. He seems to suggest the Mata?ga ?gama might have information about this. I would appreciate any references on any ?gama or ?aiva ?iddh?nta texts (along with their dates) that deal with the production of n?da from bindu. 

 

Thank you.

 

Regards,

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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Sun May 17 02:01:22 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 20:01:22 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about publication announcement on book on buddhism
In-Reply-To: <CAM+oyOdLSV4qKQBB8UJfJAaL0nj9gcyCfR6NJFunMQRYJFBoYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekZfXyjs7OYdirACRrqixrYbRhbe-8JVpYofaJNcfm_74w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Prof. Pandurangi,

Perhaps you are thinking of this book by Kamaleswar Bhattacharya, *The
?tman-Brahman in Ancient Buddhism*. It was announced here:

http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2015-May/041196.html

An Indian reprint of it from Motilal Banarsidass is also now available.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 1:18 AM Veeranarayanacharya Pandurangi via INDOLOGY
<indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear All
> I am finding it difficult to locate a publication announcement in Indology
> list that appeared sometimes back.
> It was about a new book on buddhism. author claimed that early buddhism
> was not a revolutionary one, instead it was to represent real vedic spirit.
> I would be grateful if any of members help me in knowing about this book.
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Sun May 17 02:08:31 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sat, 16 May 20 22:08:31 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Source and usage of verses
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o-qVf7q2X4bxmMjU22ShLk+qL5sTNO7i-1guZXt5a2+gg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,
I've been asked to find the source of the following verses and also to
enquire if anyone knows of any pujas or temple ceremonies these are used in.

karp?ragaura? karu??vat?ra?

sa?s?ras?ra? bhujagendrah?ra?

sad? vasanta? h?day?ravinde

bhava? bhav?n? sahita? nam?m?


karp?rap?re?a manohare?a

suvar?ap?trodaka sam?thitena

prad?ptav?s?sahasa?gatena

nir?jana? te jagad??a kurve


Thanks,

Harry Spier


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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Sun May 17 16:22:29 2020
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Sun, 17 May 20 18:22:29 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Funeral of Prof Zacchetti
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4L+Q5pwQOThNkByk1KDY6Acmfw=57io-A+qhUPHhDjxig@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues and friends,

Further to the sad news of the sudden passing, due to cardiac arrest, of
our esteemed colleague and dear friend Stefano Zacchetti, this is to let
you know that a small funerary service will take place on Tuesday May 19,
2pm, in Oxford.

Due to the current policies in response to the Covid-19 pandemic,
participation will be restricted. Those of you who wish to send a message
or a donation to the family may contact the address
zacchettisfamily at gmail.com for contact details.

Some obituaries and remembrances have appeared in the past weeks. A few
have been gathered here:
https://glorisunglobalnetwork.org/in-memoriam-stefano-zacchetti/

In great sadness,


Jonathan Silk


-- 
J. Silk
Leiden University
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
2311 BZ Leiden
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From timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com  Sun May 17 19:32:37 2020
From: timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
Date: Sun, 17 May 20 21:32:37 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf request
Message-ID: <110e8ffb-f3ef-cc74-ea64-e1b3cb97dd76@gmail.com>

Dear all,

does anybody have a pdf of the following article by Cardona and would be 
willing to share it?

 ??? Cardona, George. 1967. "Panini's Syntactic Categories." /Journal of 
the Oriental Institute, Baroda/ 16, pp. 201--215.

Thanks in advance and best regards

Tim




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From timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com  Sun May 17 21:20:13 2020
From: timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
Date: Sun, 17 May 20 23:20:13 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Cardona syntactic categories
Message-ID: <f666730b-95e9-f3fa-dcba-881e2c585024@gmail.com>

Dear all,

as always, one can count on this list: I just received the Cardona paper 
I asked for.

Thanks and best

Tim






From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Mon May 18 04:22:30 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 04:22:30 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf request
Message-ID: <AM6PR10MB24229EEEE91AADA9DB874612A5B80@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear colleagues,

Would anyone be able to help me obtain pdf of the following article, or (better) of the whole volume?

J.G. de Casparis, 'The use of Sanskrit in inscriptions of Indonesia and Malaysia', in: J.G. de Casparis (ed.), Sanskrit outside India, pp. 29-41. Leiden: Brill. [Panels of the Vllth World Sanskrit Conference 7.]

Thanks!

Arlo Griffiths


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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon May 18 07:24:17 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 09:24:17 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Willem_B._Boll=C3=A9e?=
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nXZEqio75X0RP2RCkKt6VpaD=q90e=OQ_THyGWUtK5nZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

I feel sorry to inform you of the sad news that Professor Willem Boll?e
(*1927) passed away unexpectedly on 16 May 2020. He remained active as a
scholar until his very last day.

I trust there will be an appropriate appreciation of his personality and
his scholarship in the form of a befitting obituary in a distinguished
journal.

Yours sincerely,
Walter Slaje


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From alastair_gornall at sutd.edu.sg  Mon May 18 07:53:10 2020
From: alastair_gornall at sutd.edu.sg (Alastair Gornall)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 07:53:10 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf request
Message-ID: <BD9C7EFA-8106-4E47-8944-373DE568A140@sutd.edu.sg>

Dear colleagues,

I am looking for digital copies of the following works. I would greatly appreciate it if anybody is able to send me copies of either.

L. de la Vall?e Poussin. Bouddhisme : ?tudes et mat?riaux. Cosmologie : le monde des ?tres et le monde-r?ceptacle. Vasubandhu et Ya?omitra, troisi?me chapitre de l?Abhidharmako?a, k?rik?, bh??ya et vy?khy?. London, 1914?18.
W. Kirfel. Die kosmographie der Inder, nach den Quellen dargestellt. Bonn, 1920.

With all good wishes
Alastair Gornall

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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Mon May 18 08:34:05 2020
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 10:34:05 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Borobudur_J=C4=81takas_etc?=
Message-ID: <91e9e059-12de-ae8b-7c24-1a38cc67aeab@gmail.com>

Dear listmembers,

for the interpretation of J?taka murals I am in search for

KROM, Nicolaas Johannes / VAN ERP, Theodoor, 1927-31, Barabu?ur, 
Archaeological Description, The Hague (Repr. New Delhi 1986).

Can somebody help me?

Thank you

Heiner

-- 
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From szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com  Mon May 18 09:30:09 2020
From: szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?UMOpdGVyLUTDoW5pZWwgU3rDoW50w7M=?=)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 11:30:09 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sauvaget etc.
Message-ID: <CANS3gu=FY=fdf-McPT7NaOw1hRS9Wd9-Cpb5oMPgM2SVfQzYXg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

I am looking for the following publications:

Jean Sauvaget, *'Ahb?r a?-??n wa l-Hind, Relation de le Chine et de l'Inde*,
Paris, 1948.

pp. 262-264 from this book
https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780932885135&fbclid=IwAR3Bzzzj_aEj7e1hkDTbUbaO0HoF2Rm_NQSs7BnPthidlgGFAjH5UgZt6Uk

An article "Costumes Through the Ages - Notes" in the journal M?rg, vol.
33, p. 40. I am aware that there is an online store here
https://marg-art.org/categories?product-type=magazines, but my card is
repeatedly denied...

I'd be very grateful for your kind help.


Best wishes,

Peter Szanto

Leiden


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From alastair_gornall at sutd.edu.sg  Mon May 18 09:41:48 2020
From: alastair_gornall at sutd.edu.sg (Alastair Gornall)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 09:41:48 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf request
In-Reply-To: <BD9C7EFA-8106-4E47-8944-373DE568A140@sutd.edu.sg>
Message-ID: <DC3D57BA-2B9F-4A81-B9B3-3F1F5A325CD3@sutd.edu.sg>

Many thanks to Lubom?r Ondra?ka and Christophe Vielle for sending me the files.

With all good wishes,
Alastair

On 18 May 2020, at 3:53 PM, Alastair Gornall <alastair_gornall at sutd.edu.sg<mailto:alastair_gornall at sutd.edu.sg>> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

I am looking for digital copies of the following works. I would greatly appreciate it if anybody is able to send me copies of either.

L. de la Vall?e Poussin. Bouddhisme : ?tudes et mat?riaux. Cosmologie : le monde des ?tres et le monde-r?ceptacle. Vasubandhu et Ya?omitra, troisi?me chapitre de l?Abhidharmako?a, k?rik?, bh??ya et vy?khy?. London, 1914?18.
W. Kirfel. Die kosmographie der Inder, nach den Quellen dargestellt. Bonn, 1920.

With all good wishes
Alastair Gornall



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From timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com  Mon May 18 10:28:50 2020
From: timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 12:28:50 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] search journals Vak and JVSt
Message-ID: <69a0126a-8e85-296c-de21-a671b8a630e3@gmail.com>

Dear all,

does anybody know whether the journals /*V?k */(only 6 vols. from 
1951-1964 appeared) and /*The *//*Journal of Vedic Studies*/ (only 2 
vols. from 1934-1935 appered) have ever been digitized? And if so, where 
they can be found online?

My own search was quite unsuccessful sofar...

Thanks in advance and best regards

Tim



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From soni at staff.uni-marburg.de  Mon May 18 13:16:48 2020
From: soni at staff.uni-marburg.de (soni at staff.uni-marburg.de)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 15:16:48 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Willem_B._Boll=C3=A9e?=
In-Reply-To: <CALoZ1nXZEqio75X0RP2RCkKt6VpaD=q90e=OQ_THyGWUtK5nZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200518151648.Horde.oRemJeJUizh0fGKTj3D8D5U@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>

This is extremely sad news and so sudden!
Just on 22 March 2020 we had a lively correspondence, on academic  
matters and adding how he walked his dog.

Very sorry indeed.
Jay and Luitgard Soni

----- Message from Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY  
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     Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 09:24:17 +0200
     From: Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Walter Slaje <walter.slaje at gmail.com>
  Subject: [INDOLOGY] Willem B. Boll?e
       To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>


> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I feel sorry to inform you of the sad news that Professor Willem Boll?e
> (*1927) passed away unexpectedly on 16 May 2020. He remained active as a
> scholar until his very last day.
>
> I trust there will be an appropriate appreciation of his personality and
> his scholarship in the form of a befitting obituary in a distinguished
> journal.
>
> Yours sincerely,
> Walter Slaje


----- End message from Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY  
<indology at list.indology.info> -----



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From LubinT at wlu.edu  Mon May 18 19:29:24 2020
From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 19:29:24 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Borobudur_J=C4=81takas_etc?=
In-Reply-To: <91e9e059-12de-ae8b-7c24-1a38cc67aeab@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EEDE16D-E3F4-441A-AFD7-5E637CFE896C@wlu.edu>

https://archive.org/search.php?query=krom%20barabudur
for vols. 1-2

Best,
Tim Lubin


Timothy Lubin
Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law
Chair of the Department of Religion
Chair of the Middle East and South Asia Studies Program
204 Tucker Hall
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, Virginia 24450
American Council of Learned Societies fellow, 2020?21
National Endowment for the Humanities fellow, 2020?21


From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Rolf Heinrich Koch <rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2020 at 4:34 AM
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Borobudur J?takas etc


Dear listmembers,

for the interpretation of J?taka murals I am in search for

KROM, Nicolaas Johannes / VAN ERP, Theodoor, 1927-31, Barabu?ur, Archaeological Description, The Hague (Repr. New Delhi 1986).

Can somebody help me?

Thank you

Heiner

--

Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch

www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CLubinT%40wlu.edu%7C84e64763e6de4de36c9b08d7fb065546%7Cd1a80622a99943e58eb67873905e939e%7C1%7C0%7C637253876932468995&sdata=q3edF3xFrbBgv2RcZMDrxZZMXmOp%2BW3RsaXxNzxjq1M%3D&reserved=0>


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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Mon May 18 20:23:16 2020
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Mon, 18 May 20 22:23:16 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Borobudur_J=C4=81takas_etc?=
In-Reply-To: <6EEDE16D-E3F4-441A-AFD7-5E637CFE896C@wlu.edu>
Message-ID: <637326ac-620d-004a-79ef-b2fac5d075a0@gmail.com>

Thanks to Tim and all.

I got now the right link from archive.org for the Barabu?ur (not 
Borobudur) J?takas.

Heiner

Am 18.05.2020 um 21:29 schrieb Lubin, Tim:
>
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=krom%20barabudur
>
> for vols. 1-2
>
> Best,
>
> Tim Lubin
>
> Timothy Lubin
> Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law
> Chair of the Department of Religion
> Chair of the Middle East and South Asia Studies Program
> 204 Tucker Hall
> Washington and Lee University
> Lexington, Virginia 24450
>
> American Council of Learned Societies fellow, 2020?21
> National Endowment for the Humanities fellow, 2020?21
>
> *From: *INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of 
> INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Reply-To: *Rolf Heinrich Koch <rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday, May 18, 2020 at 4:34 AM
> *To: *INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject: *[INDOLOGY] Borobudur J?takas etc
>
> Dear listmembers,
>
> for the interpretation of J?taka murals I am in search for
>
> KROM, Nicolaas Johannes / VAN ERP, Theodoor, 1927-31, Barabu?ur, 
> Archaeological Description, The Hague (Repr. New Delhi 1986).
>
> Can somebody help me?
>
> Thank you
>
> Heiner
>
> -- 
> Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch
> www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com  <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CLubinT%40wlu.edu%7C84e64763e6de4de36c9b08d7fb065546%7Cd1a80622a99943e58eb67873905e939e%7C1%7C0%7C637253876932468995&sdata=q3edF3xFrbBgv2RcZMDrxZZMXmOp%2BW3RsaXxNzxjq1M%3D&reserved=0>

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From birendra176 at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 07:15:10 2020
From: birendra176 at yahoo.com (Birendra Nath Prasad)
Date: Tue, 19 May 20 07:15:10 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 88, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1589817603.10105.indology_list.indology.info@list.indology.info>
Message-ID: <1816168453.1423652.1589872510034@mail.yahoo.com>

 Respected colleagues,
 I need the PDF copy of the following paper:
Chandra, Lokesh. ?Borobudur as a Monument of Esoteric Buddhism.? The South East Asian Review 5/1 (1980): 1-41.
If you have a copy of this paper, kindly do oblige me. I would be grateful to you for this kind help.

Thanking you in anticipation and with regards
Yours truly
Dr. Birendra Nath Prasad
Asstt. Professor
Centre for Historical Studies
Jawaharlal Nehru University
New Delhi-110067
Email: bnprasad at mail.jnu.ac.in

https://www.jnu.ac.in/Faculty/bnprasad/cv.pdf
https://jnu.academia.edu/BirendraNathPrasad



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? 1. Funeral of Prof Zacchetti (Jonathan Silk)
? 2. pdf request (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
? 3. Cardona syntactic categories (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
? 4. pdf request (Arlo Griffiths)
? 5. Willem B. Boll?e (Walter Slaje)
? 6. Pdf request (Alastair Gornall)
? 7. Borobudur J?takas etc (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
? 8. Sauvaget etc. (P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt?)
? 9. Re: Pdf request (Alastair Gornall)
? 10. search journals Vak and JVSt (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
? 11. Re: Willem B. Boll?e (soni at staff.uni-marburg.de)


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Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:22:29 +0200
From: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Funeral of Prof Zacchetti
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Dear colleagues and friends,

Further to the sad news of the sudden passing, due to cardiac arrest, of
our esteemed colleague and dear friend Stefano Zacchetti, this is to let
you know that a small funerary service will take place on Tuesday May 19,
2pm, in Oxford.

Due to the current policies in response to the Covid-19 pandemic,
participation will be restricted. Those of you who wish to send a message
or a donation to the family may contact the address
zacchettisfamily at gmail.com for contact details.

Some obituaries and remembrances have appeared in the past weeks. A few
have been gathered here:
https://glorisunglobalnetwork.org/in-memoriam-stefano-zacchetti/

In great sadness,


Jonathan Silk


-- 
J. Silk
Leiden University
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
2311 BZ Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk


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From szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com  Tue May 19 13:48:25 2020
From: szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?UMOpdGVyLUTDoW5pZWwgU3rDoW50w7M=?=)
Date: Tue, 19 May 20 15:48:25 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Regamey 1955
Message-ID: <CANS3gu=Uec9=tSnKWBr3B==DiOPRLYKgb0zWyQWiXpLW+g=ZzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

Would anyone have a pdf of the article referred to as

Regamey, Constantin (Konstanty). "Lexicological Gleanings from
theKarandavyuha." Indian Linguistics, Chatterji Jubilee Volume 16
(1955):1-11.

I'd be very grateful.

Best wishes,
Peter Szanto


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From acchoda at gmail.com  Tue May 19 14:14:03 2020
From: acchoda at gmail.com (David Smith)
Date: Tue, 19 May 20 15:14:03 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_2_articles_by_Willem_Boll=C3=A9e?=
Message-ID: <CAA=_wHd+wEqRJGCu_h257onm9=4_OhMigkWOp=xjDFfk2fB_QA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

I'd be very grateful for pdfs of two articles by the late-lamented
Willem Boll?e:

Review of CHOJNACKI Kuvalaym?l? 2008. Orientalistische
Literaturzeitschrift 107 (2012): 203-206

Addenda et Corrigenda to Boll?e, Willem B., Cultural Encyclopaedia of
the Kath?sarits?gara. Zeitschrift f?r Indologie und S?dasienstudien
32/33 (2015/20016): pagination not known.

Best wishes,
David Smith
Reader in South Asian Religions (retired)
Lancaster University
acchoda at gmail.com





From szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com  Tue May 19 14:44:24 2020
From: szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?UMOpdGVyLUTDoW5pZWwgU3rDoW50w7M=?=)
Date: Tue, 19 May 20 16:44:24 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Regamey 1955
In-Reply-To: <CANS3gu=Uec9=tSnKWBr3B==DiOPRLYKgb0zWyQWiXpLW+g=ZzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANS3gunBZK2Do1GOrM2kZzpcpZpgVQQMGjrCZFcU+g+6pq=wGg@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to Martin Straube for forwarding a pdf.

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 3:48 PM P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? <
szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> Would anyone have a pdf of the article referred to as
>
> Regamey, Constantin (Konstanty). "Lexicological Gleanings from
> theKarandavyuha." Indian Linguistics, Chatterji Jubilee Volume 16
> (1955):1-11.
>
> I'd be very grateful.
>
> Best wishes,
> Peter Szanto
>


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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Tue May 19 15:22:54 2020
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 19 May 20 17:22:54 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_2_articles_by_Willem_Boll=C3=A9e?=
In-Reply-To: <CAA=_wHd+wEqRJGCu_h257onm9=4_OhMigkWOp=xjDFfk2fB_QA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4+fd2gVdy=+aHcPGGm-mgh+KV2nKPOyNp1GeCRNoDEBVw@mail.gmail.com>

Addenda et Corrigenda to Boll?e, Willem B., Cultural Encyclopaedia of
the Kath?sarits?gara. Zeitschrift f?r Indologie und S?dasienstudien
32/33 (2015/20016): pagination not known.


I dont have a PDF but the pages are 175-202
>

J. Silk
Leiden University
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
2311 BZ Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
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From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Tue May 19 16:02:04 2020
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Tue, 19 May 20 16:02:04 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Regamey 1955
In-Reply-To: <CANS3gu=Uec9=tSnKWBr3B==DiOPRLYKgb0zWyQWiXpLW+g=ZzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB030482BBA54FB1095688B53D8EB90@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I'd like to have a copy as well, if possible.

________________________________
From: P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? <szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:48 PM
To: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Regamey 1955

Dear colleagues,

Would anyone have a pdf of the article referred to as

Regamey, Constantin (Konstanty). "Lexicological Gleanings from theKarandavyuha." Indian Linguistics, Chatterji Jubilee Volume 16 (1955):1-11.

I'd be very grateful.

Best wishes,
Peter Szanto


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From acchoda at gmail.com  Tue May 19 16:04:48 2020
From: acchoda at gmail.com (David Smith)
Date: Tue, 19 May 20 17:04:48 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_2_articles_by_Willem_Boll=C3=A9e_(corrections)?=
Message-ID: <CAA=_wHdSfZvt+VD53V6CEVBzn23xpsC981kghL3Y-09tRYi0uw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

Further to my post earlier today, I am grateful to two colleagues for
corrections to my requests, which now read as follows:

Review of CHOJNACKI Kuvalaym?l? 2008. Orientalistische
Literaturzeitung 107 (2012): 203-206.

Addenda et Corrigenda to Boll?e, Willem B., Cultural Encyclopaedia of
the Kath?sarits?gara. Zeitschrift f?r Indologie und S?dasienstudien
32/33 (2015/20016): 175-202.

Best wishes,
David Smith
acchoda at gmail.com





From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Tue May 19 16:09:37 2020
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=)
Date: Tue, 19 May 20 18:09:37 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Regamey 1955
In-Reply-To: <CANS3gunBZK2Do1GOrM2kZzpcpZpgVQQMGjrCZFcU+g+6pq=wGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200519180937.d281d2c02158eec5d8862db1@ff.cuni.cz>

http://ignca.nic.in/Asi_data/4853.pdf


On Tue, 19 May 2020 16:44:24 +0200
P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Many thanks to Martin Straube for forwarding a pdf.
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 3:48 PM P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? <
> szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > Would anyone have a pdf of the article referred to as
> >
> > Regamey, Constantin (Konstanty). "Lexicological Gleanings from
> > theKarandavyuha." Indian Linguistics, Chatterji Jubilee Volume 16
> > (1955):1-11.
> >
> > I'd be very grateful.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Peter Szanto
> >





From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Wed May 20 04:24:47 2020
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Wed, 20 May 20 04:24:47 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Etymology
Message-ID: <20200520042447.8588.qmail@f4mail-235-104.rediffmail.com>

Respected Scholars,
Sanskrit text "Bakyapadiya"by Bhartrihari, begins thus-"AnadiNidhanam Brahman Shabdtattawm yadAksharam."
It leaves me curious to know as to in what context the word"AnadiNidhanam" has been used.?How does the words Anadi and Nidhanam go together?
Alakendu Das.




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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Wed May 20 04:55:40 2020
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Wed, 20 May 20 04:55:40 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Source and usage of verses
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o-qVf7q2X4bxmMjU22ShLk+qL5sTNO7i-1guZXt5a2+gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1583392340.1322359.1589950540873@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Harry,
I've heard it many times in temples across India. 

I have tried to find the source but failed. Some say it is from Guru Gita or even Yajur Veda(!) but I checked two versions of Guru Gita and didn't see it. Yajur Veda is so unlikely I didn't look.
Best,
Dean

    On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 7:39:38 AM GMT+5:30, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 Dear list members,I've been asked to find the source of the following verses and also to enquire if anyone knows of any pujas or temple ceremonies these are used in.
 
karp?ragaura? karu??vat?ra?

sa?s?ras?ra?bhujagendrah?ra?

sad?vasanta? h?day?ravinde

bhava?bhav?n? sahita? nam?m?




karp?rap?re?amanohare?a

suvar?ap?trodakasam?thitena

prad?ptav?s?sahasa?gatena

nir?jana?te jagad??a kurve




Thanks,

Harry Spier
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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Thu May 21 17:10:56 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Thu, 21 May 20 11:10:56 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about publication announcement on book on buddhism
In-Reply-To: <CAM+oyOeZaAZFweTPm4gao1h8QTEc3h60zWkpG+LtsaM2Bx7a5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekbkSL2B9s45OOLF7ZETowkcuNuTKm8ANtgte-TTwyzkcg@mail.gmail.com>

 Dear Prof. Pandurangi,

Sorry that this is not the book you were looking for. Hopefully someone
here will recall it.

In the meantime, I can mention a few older books related to this topic.

*The Buddha-Mimansa: or, The Buddha and His Relation to the Religion of the
Vedas*, by Yogiraja's Disciple Maitreya, 2nd ed., London: Thacker, 1925;
several reprints.

*The Doctrine of the Upani?ads and The Early Buddhism*, *Die Lehre der
Upanishaden und die Anf?nge des Buddhismus*, by Hermann Oldenberg,
translated into English by Shridhar B. Shrotri, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass,
1991 (German original, 1908).

*Upanisads and Early Buddhism*, by Sanjay Govind Deodikar, Delhi: Eastern
Book Linkers, 1992.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.


On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 12:35 AM Veeranarayanacharya Pandurangi <
dharmayuddha2017 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your reply. But It is not the one I was looking for. It was
> about what Buddhism represented really. It was the representative of vedic
> tradition.
> Please help me.
>
>
> On Sun, 17 May, 2020, 7:31 AM David and Nancy Reigle, <dnreigle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Prof. Pandurangi,
>>
>> Perhaps you are thinking of this book by Kamaleswar Bhattacharya, *The
>> ?tman-Brahman in Ancient Buddhism*. It was announced here:
>>
>>
>> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2015-May/041196.html
>>
>> An Indian reprint of it from Motilal Banarsidass is also now available.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David Reigle
>> Colorado, U.S.A.
>>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 1:18 AM Veeranarayanacharya Pandurangi via
>> INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All
>>> I am finding it difficult to locate a publication announcement in
>>> Indology list that appeared sometimes back.
>>> It was about a new book on buddhism. author claimed that early buddhism
>>> was not a revolutionary one, instead it was to represent real vedic spirit.
>>> I would be grateful if any of members help me in knowing about this book.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
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From birendra176 at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 13:18:32 2020
From: birendra176 at yahoo.com (Birendra Nath Prasad)
Date: Fri, 22 May 20 13:18:32 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 88, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <mailman.39.1589904002.4900.indology_list.indology.info@list.indology.info>
Message-ID: <1445716706.3319312.1590153513001@mail.yahoo.com>

 Dear Colleagues,
I am happy to share the joy of the publication of my paper titled ?Merchants and Their Family Members as Donors of Inscribed Sculptures in Early Medieval Bihar and Bengal? in the Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, Vol. 18, 2020.
Dr. Birendra Nath Prasad
Asstt. Professor
Centre for Historical Studies
JNU
New Delhi-110067

https://www.jnu.ac.in/Faculty/bnprasad/cv.pdf
     On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:30:12 PM GMT+5:30, <indology-request at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
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? 2. Re: Borobudur J?takas etc (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
? 3. Re: INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 88, Issue 17 (Birendra Nath Prasad)
? 4. Regamey 1955 (P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt?)
? 5. 2 articles by Willem Boll?e (David Smith)
? 6. Re: Regamey 1955 (P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt?)
? 7. Re: 2 articles by Willem Boll?e (Jonathan Silk)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 19:29:24 +0000
From: "Lubin, Tim" <LubinT at wlu.edu>
To: Rolf Heinrich Koch <rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com>, INDOLOGY
??? <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Borobudur J?takas etc
Message-ID: <6EEDE16D-E3F4-441A-AFD7-5E637CFE896C at wlu.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

https://archive.org/search.php?query=krom%20barabudur
for vols. 1-2

Best,
Tim Lubin


Timothy Lubin
Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law
Chair of the Department of Religion
Chair of the Middle East and South Asia Studies Program
204 Tucker Hall
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, Virginia 24450
American Council of Learned Societies fellow, 2020?21
National Endowment for the Humanities fellow, 2020?21


From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Rolf Heinrich Koch <rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2020 at 4:34 AM
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Borobudur J?takas etc


Dear listmembers,

for the interpretation of J?taka murals I am in search for

KROM, Nicolaas Johannes / VAN ERP, Theodoor, 1927-31, Barabu?ur, Archaeological Description, The Hague (Repr. New Delhi 1986).

Can somebody help me?

Thank you

Heiner

--

Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch

www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CLubinT%40wlu.edu%7C84e64763e6de4de36c9b08d7fb065546%7Cd1a80622a99943e58eb67873905e939e%7C1%7C0%7C637253876932468995&sdata=q3edF3xFrbBgv2RcZMDrxZZMXmOp%2BW3RsaXxNzxjq1M%3D&reserved=0>


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From dharmayuddha2017 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 08:44:02 2020
From: dharmayuddha2017 at gmail.com (Veeranarayanacharya Pandurangi)
Date: Sat, 23 May 20 14:14:02 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about publication announcement on book on buddhism
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekbkSL2B9s45OOLF7ZETowkcuNuTKm8ANtgte-TTwyzkcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM+oyOcY-f8xehURoa_LEkpJwZ6yTOpvKzSoA8xu1TKjRBK+=g@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you very much. These books may be useful.
Also I will look in Indology archive datewise.

On Thu, 21 May, 2020, 10:41 PM David and Nancy Reigle, <dnreigle at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Prof. Pandurangi,
>
> Sorry that this is not the book you were looking for. Hopefully someone
> here will recall it.
>
> In the meantime, I can mention a few older books related to this topic.
>
> *The Buddha-Mimansa: or, The Buddha and His Relation to the Religion of
> the Vedas*, by Yogiraja's Disciple Maitreya, 2nd ed., London: Thacker,
> 1925; several reprints.
>
> *The Doctrine of the Upani?ads and The Early Buddhism*, *Die Lehre der
> Upanishaden und die Anf?nge des Buddhismus*, by Hermann Oldenberg,
> translated into English by Shridhar B. Shrotri, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass,
> 1991 (German original, 1908).
>
> *Upanisads and Early Buddhism*, by Sanjay Govind Deodikar, Delhi: Eastern
> Book Linkers, 1992.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Reigle
> Colorado, U.S.A.
>
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 12:35 AM Veeranarayanacharya Pandurangi <
> dharmayuddha2017 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your reply. But It is not the one I was looking for. It was
>> about what Buddhism represented really. It was the representative of vedic
>> tradition.
>> Please help me.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 17 May, 2020, 7:31 AM David and Nancy Reigle, <dnreigle at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Prof. Pandurangi,
>>>
>>> Perhaps you are thinking of this book by Kamaleswar Bhattacharya, *The
>>> ?tman-Brahman in Ancient Buddhism*. It was announced here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2015-May/041196.html
>>>
>>> An Indian reprint of it from Motilal Banarsidass is also now available.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David Reigle
>>> Colorado, U.S.A.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 1:18 AM Veeranarayanacharya Pandurangi via
>>> INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All
>>>> I am finding it difficult to locate a publication announcement in
>>>> Indology list that appeared sometimes back.
>>>> It was about a new book on buddhism. author claimed that early buddhism
>>>> was not a revolutionary one, instead it was to represent real vedic spirit.
>>>> I would be grateful if any of members help me in knowing about this
>>>> book.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>


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From szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com  Sat May 23 13:52:56 2020
From: szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?UMOpdGVyLUTDoW5pZWwgU3rDoW50w7M=?=)
Date: Sat, 23 May 20 15:52:56 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_UNESCO_Vimalaprabh=C4=81?=
Message-ID: <CANS3gun53iWKzNQSEPH=LLweYdFDUDfxyOVerB2x-S0twm1jNw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

I noticed this nomination with some excitement:
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/memory-of-the-world/register/full-list-of-registered-heritage/registered-heritage-page-5/laghukalacakratantrarajatika-vimalaprabha/

Does anybody happen to know what became of this nomination and, more
importantly, whether this means that colour images are available?

Some years ago I tried my luck at the ASB, but my request was refused on
the grounds that "the bundle broke in half". Not sure what that meant.

I'd be very grateful for any information.

Best wishes,
Peter Szanto


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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Sat May 23 22:08:18 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Sat, 23 May 20 16:08:18 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_UNESCO_Vimalaprabh=C4=81?=
In-Reply-To: <CANS3gun53iWKzNQSEPH=LLweYdFDUDfxyOVerB2x-S0twm1jNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekYAAS6Lx5z8Y=z0T3_+EpMfR0Ytb_SMoPvfJPF_oXnrdg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Peter,

As far as I know, nothing came of this nomination. Possibly this is because
the manuscript broke in half, as you noted. Several years ago my friend
Robert Hutwohl found this 2006 blog post giving a little more information
about this situation:

http://tibetica.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_archive.html

So the breakage occurred no later than 2006,  while the UNESCO nomination
occurred in 2010 or 2011. I do not know of any color images of it being
available. Certainly, the Asiatic Society of Bengal's not allowing access
to it any more would be all the more reason to have it photographed in
color and high resolution and made available.

In 1982, before it broke, I was able to purchase from the ASB library a
microfilm of this manuscript. The microfilm is not in color, and it is not
high resolution. But under the circumstances, it may provide the only
access to this important manuscript that is now possible. If I knew of a
good way to digitize this microfilm, I would do so.

The editors of the *Vimalaprabh?* edition published from Sarnath of course
also had a microfilm of this manuscript, and this microfilm is no doubt
still at Sarnath. I do not know if it is any better than my microfilm or
not. There is the question of how fully this edition reports the readings
of this manuscript (ms. ca). Jagannatha Upadhyaya, when speaking of the
fifth chapter, told me in 1982 that he could not read this manuscript. As
you know, it is written in Old Bengali script. Banarsi Lal told me in 1998
at Sarnath that it was Janardan Pandey who deciphered this manuscript for
vol. 3 of their edition, 1994, containing the fifth chapter

The *Vimalaprabh?* manuscript that was reproduced by Lokesh Chandra in his
2010 publication, *Sanskrit Manuscripts from Tibet*, is written in the same
Old Bengali script, and is apparently of about the same age. The big
difference is that it lacks the fifth chapter. It probably originally had
it, but the manuscript now ends on the leaf immediately before the fifth
chapter would have begun, so the very ending of chapter four is also
missing in this manuscript. There seems to have occurred some prohibition
of chapter 5 early on. No later manuscripts have it, and this manuscript
provides indirect evidence that it was removed from earlier manuscripts
that did have it. Note that the unnumbered folio sides are given out of
order in this 2010 publication.

This 2010 publication does not give information about where this manuscript
came from. I asked Lokesh Chandra about it, and he wrote in reply on June
11, 2016:

"I published the Vimalaprabha manuscript as I got it from a Tibetan lama.
It was returned to him after publication. I have no details about his
whereabouts or even his name. The monastery of its origin is also unknown."

There is one more *Vimalaprabh?* manuscript that has the fifth chapter. It
was described by Hara Prasad Shastri in "Notes on Palm-leaf MSS. in the
Library of His Excellency the Mah?r?ja of Nep?l," *Journal of the Asiatic
Society of Bengal*, vol. 66, 1897, pp. 310-316, this manuscript on pp.
315-316. The colophon that he quotes shows that it has the fifth chapter.
He reports that it is illustrated. This manuscript was held in the Durbar
Library, Kathmandu. It was borrowed by Giuseppe Tucci. It apparently ended
up in a vault in Italy. Francesco Sferra reports that all efforts to get
information about it and other manuscripts from Tucci's widow have failed.
We can only hope that it will be found and donated to some museum in Italy
by Tucci's heirs, as was another manuscript by Tucci's widow that Tucci had
borrowed.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.


On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 7:53 AM P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> I noticed this nomination with some excitement:
> http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/memory-of-the-world/register/full-list-of-registered-heritage/registered-heritage-page-5/laghukalacakratantrarajatika-vimalaprabha/
>
> Does anybody happen to know what became of this nomination and, more
> importantly, whether this means that colour images are available?
>
> Some years ago I tried my luck at the ASB, but my request was refused on
> the grounds that "the bundle broke in half". Not sure what that meant.
>
> I'd be very grateful for any information.
>
> Best wishes,
> Peter Szanto
>
> _______________________________________________
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From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Sun May 24 09:13:00 2020
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Sun, 24 May 20 09:13:00 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
In-Reply-To: <1445716706.3319312.1590153513001@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB0304B9F0422454CA612165D78EB20@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear colleagues,

I was wondering if any of you could help me by providing an electronic version of the following publication:

H. Sakya and T. R. Vaidya, Medieval Nepal (colophons and inscriptions), Kathmandu 1970

Best wishes,

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From LubinT at wlu.edu  Sun May 24 10:33:05 2020
From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim)
Date: Sun, 24 May 20 10:33:05 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
Message-ID: <3EF27B28-6002-482E-99D5-32C097B2A4E7@wlu.edu>

Dear Camillo:
https://archive.org/details/MedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya
Best,
Tim Lubin

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 5:13 AM
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication

Dear colleagues,

I was wondering if any of you could help me by providing an electronic version of the following publication:

H. Sakya and T. R. Vaidya, Medieval Nepal (colophons and inscriptions), Kathmandu 1970

Best wishes,

Camillo


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From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Sun May 24 11:33:24 2020
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Sun, 24 May 20 11:33:24 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
In-Reply-To: <3EF27B28-6002-482E-99D5-32C097B2A4E7@wlu.edu>
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB0304C49832D4B8C2834E281A8EB20@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear Tim,

Many thanks! I guess this is a lesson for me that if I'm looking for a electronic version of a book, I should either try googling it or look directly on archive.org, since duckduckgoing (apparently not a word yet) did not hold any results.

Best wishes,

Camillo

________________________________
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Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:33 AM
To: Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>; indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication


Dear Camillo:

https://archive.org/details/MedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya

Best,

Tim Lubin



From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 5:13 AM
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication



Dear colleagues,



I was wondering if any of you could help me by providing an electronic version of the following publication:



H. Sakya and T. R. Vaidya, Medieval Nepal (colophons and inscriptions), Kathmandu 1970



Best wishes,



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From szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com  Sun May 24 15:01:19 2020
From: szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?UMOpdGVyLUTDoW5pZWwgU3rDoW50w7M=?=)
Date: Sun, 24 May 20 17:01:19 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_UNESCO_Vimalaprabh=C4=81?=
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekYAAS6Lx5z8Y=z0T3_+EpMfR0Ytb_SMoPvfJPF_oXnrdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANS3gukxhx+JOvS5EP9auizRdaNsn7ACh1ox=UzhyH1u0riS+A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear David,

Many thanks for your email. I'm afraid the Thor bu entry is not independent
evidence, because the blog was mine.

There are many interesting details you provide, but I'm afraid it will bore
our audience. It would be fantastic if you could find the way to digitise
the microfilm (I had a very simple scanner to do this at some point, the
only drawback was that the film had to be cut into strips of 5 frames).

In the meantime I wrote to the Unesco secretary, let's see how this "Memory
of the World" initiative can help people who are actually interested in
what that 'memory' has to say.

Once again, many thanks, and best wishes,

Peter

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 12:08 AM David and Nancy Reigle <dnreigle at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Peter,
>
> As far as I know, nothing came of this nomination. Possibly this is
> because the manuscript broke in half, as you noted. Several years ago my
> friend Robert Hutwohl found this 2006 blog post giving a little more
> information about this situation:
>
> http://tibetica.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_archive.html
>
> So the breakage occurred no later than 2006,  while the UNESCO nomination
> occurred in 2010 or 2011. I do not know of any color images of it being
> available. Certainly, the Asiatic Society of Bengal's not allowing access
> to it any more would be all the more reason to have it photographed in
> color and high resolution and made available.
>
> In 1982, before it broke, I was able to purchase from the ASB library a
> microfilm of this manuscript. The microfilm is not in color, and it is not
> high resolution. But under the circumstances, it may provide the only
> access to this important manuscript that is now possible. If I knew of a
> good way to digitize this microfilm, I would do so.
>
> The editors of the *Vimalaprabh?* edition published from Sarnath of
> course also had a microfilm of this manuscript, and this microfilm is no
> doubt still at Sarnath. I do not know if it is any better than my microfilm
> or not. There is the question of how fully this edition reports the
> readings of this manuscript (ms. ca). Jagannatha Upadhyaya, when speaking
> of the fifth chapter, told me in 1982 that he could not read this
> manuscript. As you know, it is written in Old Bengali script. Banarsi Lal
> told me in 1998 at Sarnath that it was Janardan Pandey who deciphered this
> manuscript for vol. 3 of their edition, 1994, containing the fifth chapter
>
> The *Vimalaprabh?* manuscript that was reproduced by Lokesh Chandra in
> his 2010 publication, *Sanskrit Manuscripts from Tibet*, is written in
> the same Old Bengali script, and is apparently of about the same age. The
> big difference is that it lacks the fifth chapter. It probably originally
> had it, but the manuscript now ends on the leaf immediately before the
> fifth chapter would have begun, so the very ending of chapter four is also
> missing in this manuscript. There seems to have occurred some prohibition
> of chapter 5 early on. No later manuscripts have it, and this manuscript
> provides indirect evidence that it was removed from earlier manuscripts
> that did have it. Note that the unnumbered folio sides are given out of
> order in this 2010 publication.
>
> This 2010 publication does not give information about where this
> manuscript came from. I asked Lokesh Chandra about it, and he wrote in
> reply on June 11, 2016:
>
> "I published the Vimalaprabha manuscript as I got it from a Tibetan lama.
> It was returned to him after publication. I have no details about his
> whereabouts or even his name. The monastery of its origin is also unknown.
> "
>
> There is one more *Vimalaprabh?* manuscript that has the fifth chapter.
> It was described by Hara Prasad Shastri in "Notes on Palm-leaf MSS. in the
> Library of His Excellency the Mah?r?ja of Nep?l," *Journal of the Asiatic
> Society of Bengal*, vol. 66, 1897, pp. 310-316, this manuscript on pp.
> 315-316. The colophon that he quotes shows that it has the fifth chapter.
> He reports that it is illustrated. This manuscript was held in the Durbar
> Library, Kathmandu. It was borrowed by Giuseppe Tucci. It apparently ended
> up in a vault in Italy. Francesco Sferra reports that all efforts to get
> information about it and other manuscripts from Tucci's widow have failed.
> We can only hope that it will be found and donated to some museum in Italy
> by Tucci's heirs, as was another manuscript by Tucci's widow that Tucci had
> borrowed.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Reigle
> Colorado, U.S.A.
>
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 7:53 AM P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I noticed this nomination with some excitement:
>> http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/memory-of-the-world/register/full-list-of-registered-heritage/registered-heritage-page-5/laghukalacakratantrarajatika-vimalaprabha/
>>
>> Does anybody happen to know what became of this nomination and, more
>> importantly, whether this means that colour images are available?
>>
>> Some years ago I tried my luck at the ASB, but my request was refused on
>> the grounds that "the bundle broke in half". Not sure what that meant.
>>
>> I'd be very grateful for any information.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Peter Szanto
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Sun May 24 20:48:25 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Sun, 24 May 20 14:48:25 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_UNESCO_Vimalaprabh=C4=81?=
In-Reply-To: <CANS3gukxhx+JOvS5EP9auizRdaNsn7ACh1ox=UzhyH1u0riS+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekZUWRWbNjFAqhZBbC9eB3EabUr6NCm4f4+DC4quF-DEgA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Peter,

Rather humorous that the Thor bu blog post turns out to be by you, and I
did not know this. Jonathan Silk and Paul Gerstmayr wrote to me off-list to
let me know.

Yes, the microfilm of this manuscript must be digitized. I have received an
offer of help in getting this done, and will proceed.

Thanks for contacting Unesco about this. If they could digitize it, that
would be best. The folios are quite long palm-leaves, and this is probably
why my microfilm is lower resolution. They had to back the camera away from
it rather far to get the whole leaf in the picture. I had several times
thought of asking them to microfilm it again, but this time with one
picture per half folio side for better resolution. So perhaps its breaking
in half would result in one picture per half folio side anyway.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:01 AM P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? <
szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear David,
>
> Many thanks for your email. I'm afraid the Thor bu entry is not
> independent evidence, because the blog was mine.
>
> There are many interesting details you provide, but I'm afraid it will
> bore our audience. It would be fantastic if you could find the way to
> digitise the microfilm (I had a very simple scanner to do this at some
> point, the only drawback was that the film had to be cut into strips of 5
> frames).
>
> In the meantime I wrote to the Unesco secretary, let's see how this
> "Memory of the World" initiative can help people who are actually
> interested in what that 'memory' has to say.
>
> Once again, many thanks, and best wishes,
>
> Peter
>


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From beitel at email.gwu.edu  Sun May 24 22:59:49 2020
From: beitel at email.gwu.edu (Alfred Hiltebeitel)
Date: Sun, 24 May 20 17:59:49 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
In-Reply-To: <3EF27B28-6002-482E-99D5-32C097B2A4E7@wlu.edu>
Message-ID: <683C14A1-08FA-447D-BC88-F9208F1367E6@email.gwu.edu>

Dear colleagues,

I have a somwhat unusual request for som help. I would like to know if someone has a copy. Of Volume 6, page 22 of Thurston and Rangachari?s Castes annd Tribes of Southern India, and would be willing to make a copy of the page and the surrounding couple of pages for me. The topic is mantravadis of Kerala and their preparation of something called pilla thilam or ?baby oil? using the six or seven month-old foetus of a prima para. I have only my notes and am far from my library in Colombia, S.A.

If the is some easier way to send the material,  that would likewise be much appreciated.

Than you,

Alf

Sent from my iPad

> On May 24, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dear Camillo:
> https://archive.org/details/MedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya
> Best,
> Tim Lubin
>  
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Reply-To: Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 5:13 AM
> To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
>  
> Dear colleagues,
>  
> I was wondering if any of you could help me by providing an electronic version of the following publication:
>  
> H. Sakya and T. R. Vaidya, Medieval Nepal (colophons and inscriptions), Kathmandu 1970
>  
> Best wishes,
>  
> Camillo
> _______________________________________________
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From palaniappa at aol.com  Sun May 24 23:07:02 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sun, 24 May 20 18:07:02 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
In-Reply-To: <683C14A1-08FA-447D-BC88-F9208F1367E6@email.gwu.edu>
Message-ID: <1E01F0FF-D9CC-429F-82A5-6FAC13194F27@aol.com>

The volume 6 is available at https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.56742/page/n39/mode/2up

 

But p. 22 does not seem to deal with any caste from Kerala.

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Alfred Hiltebeitel <beitel at email.gwu.edu>
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 6:00 PM
To: "Lubin, Tim" <LubinT at wlu.edu>
Cc: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>, Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication

 

Dear colleagues,

 

I have a somwhat unusual request for som help. I would like to know if someone has a copy. Of Volume 6, page 22 of Thurston and Rangachari?s Castes annd Tribes of Southern India, and would be willing to make a copy of the page and the surrounding couple of pages for me. The topic is mantravadis of Kerala and their preparation of something called pilla thilam or ?baby oil? using the six or seven month-old foetus of a prima para. I have only my notes and am far from my library in Colombia, S.A.

 

If the is some easier way to send the material,  that would likewise be much appreciated.

 

Than you,

 

Alf

Sent from my iPad




On May 24, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

? 

Dear Camillo:

https://archive.org/details/MedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya 

Best,

Tim Lubin

 

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 5:13 AM
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication

 

Dear colleagues,

 

I was wondering if any of you could help me by providing an electronic version of the following publication:

 

H. Sakya and T. R. Vaidya, Medieval Nepal (colophons and inscriptions), Kathmandu 1970

 

Best wishes,

 

Camillo

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From aparpola at gmail.com  Mon May 25 03:34:28 2020
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 06:34:28 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
In-Reply-To: <683C14A1-08FA-447D-BC88-F9208F1367E6@email.gwu.edu>
Message-ID: <B6525FB1-3BD0-4EBA-8C46-2CA36FCEA130@gmail.com>

Dear Alf, on the mantrav?dins of Kerala and the ?baby oil?:

Parpola, Asko, 1999. The iconography and cult of Ku??icc?ttan: Field research on the sanskritization of local folk deities in Kerala. Pp. 175-205 in: Johannes Bronkhorst &  Madhav M. Deshpande (eds.), Aryan and Non-Aryan in South Asia: Evidence, interpretation and ideology. Proceedings of the International seminar on Aryan and Non-Aryan in South Asia, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, 25-27 October 1996. (Harvard Oriental Series, Opera Minora, 3.) Cambridge, Mass.: Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University.  Reprinted, New Delhi: Manohar Publishers and Distributors Ltd., 2012. Hb ISBN 978-81-7304-918-7. Downloadable at helsinki.academia.edu/AskoParpola <http://helsinki.academia.edu/AskoParpola>

Best wishes, Asko



> On 25 May 2020, at 1.59, Alfred Hiltebeitel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> I have a somwhat unusual request for som help. I would like to know if someone has a copy. Of Volume 6, page 22 of Thurston and Rangachari?s Castes annd Tribes of Southern India, and would be willing to make a copy of the page and the surrounding couple of pages for me. The topic is mantravadis of Kerala and their preparation of something called pilla thilam or ?baby oil? using the six or seven month-old foetus of a prima para. I have only my notes and am far from my library in Colombia, S.A.
> 
> If the is some easier way to send the material,  that would likewise be much appreciated.
> 
> Than you,
> 
> Alf
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 24, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Dear Camillo:
>> https://archive.org/details/MedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya <https://archive.org/details/MedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya>
>> Best,
>> Tim Lubin
>>  
>> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>> Reply-To: Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk <mailto:camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>>
>> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 5:13 AM
>> To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
>>  
>> Dear colleagues,
>>  
>> I was wondering if any of you could help me by providing an electronic version of the following publication:
>>  
>> H. Sakya and T. R. Vaidya, Medieval Nepal (colophons and inscriptions), Kathmandu 1970
>>  
>> Best wishes,
>>  
>> Camillo
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Mon May 25 04:51:05 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 10:21:05 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
In-Reply-To: <B6525FB1-3BD0-4EBA-8C46-2CA36FCEA130@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eZjDRRN8zBJBFrTMT8NzFTa+RgJZJnwLg=fVWxDgugT6A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Prof. Asko Parpola for sharing. It was not only a thick ethnography
but even made a very good reading.

Regards,

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 9:05 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Alf, on the mantrav?dins of Kerala and the ?baby oil?:
>
> Parpola, Asko, 1999. The iconography and cult of Ku??icc?ttan: Field
> research on the sanskritization of local folk deities in Kerala. Pp.
> 175-205 in: Johannes Bronkhorst &  Madhav M. Deshpande (eds.), Aryan and
> Non-Aryan in South Asia: Evidence, interpretation and ideology. Proceedings
> of the International seminar on Aryan and Non-Aryan in South Asia,
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, 25-27 October 1996. (Harvard Oriental
> Series, Opera Minora, 3.) Cambridge, Mass.: Department of Sanskrit and
> Indian Studies, Harvard University.  Reprinted, New Delhi: Manohar
> Publishers and Distributors Ltd., 2012. Hb ISBN 978-81-7304-918-7.
> Downloadable at helsinki.academia.edu/AskoParpola
>
> Best wishes, Asko
>
>
>
> On 25 May 2020, at 1.59, Alfred Hiltebeitel via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I have a somwhat unusual request for som help. I would like to know if
> someone has a copy. Of Volume 6, page 22 of Thurston and Rangachari?s
> Castes annd Tribes of Southern India, and would be willing to make a copy
> of the page and the surrounding couple of pages for me. The topic is
> mantravadis of Kerala and their preparation of something called pilla
> thilam or ?baby oil? using the six or seven month-old foetus of a prima
> para. I have only my notes and am far from my library in Colombia, S.A.
>
> If the is some easier way to send the material,  that would likewise be
> much appreciated.
>
> Than you,
>
> Alf
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 24, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> ?
> Dear Camillo:
>
> https://archive.org/details/MedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya
> Best,
> Tim Lubin
>
> *From: *INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Reply-To: *Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
> *Date: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 5:13 AM
> *To: *INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject: *[INDOLOGY] Help with publication
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I was wondering if any of you could help me by providing an electronic
> version of the following publication:
>
> H. Sakya and T. R. Vaidya, Medieval Nepal (colophons and inscriptions),
> Kathmandu 1970
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Camillo
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-- 
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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Mon May 25 05:15:21 2020
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 14:15:21 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] book search
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrA_p59BRAWbH8Hex9jbpM61VPVyqyf9L5txoax=z1=yJA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

Does anyone have access to this 2 volumed book?
Tantr?gam?ya dharma-dar?ana
by  Vrajavallabha Dvived?
Hathi Trust has an ebook version, but only allows one to search for word
counts, but not view the pages (if VPN is reset to USA).
<https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/ssd?id=mdp.39015051496688;seq=1>

It supposedly has a discussion of the Siddh?ntas?r?vali and the rule for
fixing the widths of the sarvasama-li?gas. If there are other discussions
of this that are available, please let me know.

Thank you.

All the best,

????? ???????
Patrick McCartney, PhD
Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
(OICD), Kyoto
Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
Japan
Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
National University
Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
University

Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
 Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/> Academia
<https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/> Linkedin
<https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
 Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>

*bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)







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From r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org  Mon May 25 05:35:30 2020
From: r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 17:35:30 +1200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] book search
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrA_p59BRAWbH8Hex9jbpM61VPVyqyf9L5txoax=z1=yJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bd2f32a4f87b41d8ea5ca78a51591023b32ee03e.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org>

                            Dear Patrick,

                    Paging down to Holdings here:

https://scholia.indica-et-buddhica.org/search/nii.sch?attribute=@attr%201=4&query=Tantr%C4%81gam%C4%ABya%20dharma-dar%C5%9Bana&displayform=2&num=1&start=1

                 It seems that both vols are held by:

  The Library, Institute for Advanced Studies on Asia, University of
                                Tokyo


                               Summary     NCIDBA66527128AuthorDvived?, Brajavallabha.TitleTantr?gam?ya
   dharma-dar?ana. Imprint??????? : ????????-???????????????, 2000-
              2001.Author?aivabh?rat?-?odhaprati??h?na.



                            Best, Richard




                      -----Original Message-----
                From: patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info                                  >
                    Reply-To: patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com                                  >
                         To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info                                  >
                   Subject: [INDOLOGY] book search
                Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:15:21 +0900

                            Dear Friends,

            Does anyone have access to this 2 volumed book?
                      Tantr?gam?ya dharma-dar?
                      by  Vrajavallabha Dvived?
 Hathi Trust has an ebook version, but only allows one to search for
    word counts, but not view the pages (if VPN is reset to USA).

 It supposedly has a discussion of the Siddh?ntas?r?vali and the rule
  for fixing the widths of the sarvasama-li?gas. If there are other
      discussions of this that are available, please let me know.

                              Thank you.

                            All the best,

                            ?????????????
                        Patrick McCartney, PhD
     Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural
                      Development (OICD), Kyoto
  Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute,
                            Nagoya, Japan
         Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies
              Department, Australian National University
  Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
                              University

  Skype / Zoom - psdmccartneyPhone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
               Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
      Yogascapes in Japan Academia Linkedin Modern Yoga Research


                        bodhap?rvam calema ;-)


                                   














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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Mon May 25 05:48:23 2020
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 14:48:23 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] book search
In-Reply-To: <bd2f32a4f87b41d8ea5ca78a51591023b32ee03e.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org>
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrDbmsgxax+nzMwPDuYTgBnzcJ_1cASEG5g6Ve1g2qfyoA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Richard,

Thank you.

And, also, to the private mailers who also pointed out it's existence at
https://archive.org/details/tantragamiyadharmadarshanvrajavallabhadwivediparti_202003_954_o
I did first look on archive, but didn't see it.

All the best,

????? ???????
Patrick McCartney, PhD
Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
(OICD), Kyoto
Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
Japan
Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
National University
Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
University

Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
 Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/> Academia
<https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/> Linkedin
<https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
 Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>

*bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)







   -










On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 2:36 PM Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica <
r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org> wrote:

> Dear Patrick,
>
> Paging down to Holdings here:
>
>
> https://scholia.indica-et-buddhica.org/search/nii.sch?attribute=@attr%201=4&query=Tantr%C4%81gam%C4%ABya%20dharma-dar%C5%9Bana&displayform=2&num=1&start=1
>
> It seems that both vols are held by:
>
> The Library, Institute for Advanced Studies on Asia, University of Tokyo
>
>
> Summary
> NCID
>
> BA66527128
> Author
>
> Dvived?, Brajavallabha.
> Title
>
> *Tantr?gam?ya dharma-dar?ana. *
> Imprint
>
> ??????? : ????????-???????????????, 2000-2001.
> Author
>
> ?aivabh?rat?-?odhaprati??h?na.
>
>
>
> Best, Richard
>
>
>
> --
>
> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
>
> Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ
> T: +6433121699 M: +64210640216
> r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org
>
> https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ <http://indica-et-buddhica.org/>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From*: patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info
> <patrick%20mccartney%20via%20INDOLOGY%20%3cindology at list.indology.info%3e>
> >
> *Reply-To*: patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com
> <patrick%20mccartney%20%3cpsdmccartney at gmail.com%3e>>
> *To*: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info
> <Indology%20List%20%3cindology at list.indology.info%3e>>
> *Subject*: [INDOLOGY] book search
> *Date*: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:15:21 +0900
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Does anyone have access to this 2 volumed book?
> Tantr?gam?ya dharma-dar?ana
> by  Vrajavallabha Dvived?
> Hathi Trust has an ebook version, but only allows one to search for word
> counts, but not view the pages (if VPN is reset to USA).
> <https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/ssd?id=mdp.39015051496688;seq=1>
>
> It supposedly has a discussion of the Siddh?ntas?r?vali and the rule for
> fixing the widths of the sarvasama-li?gas. If there are other discussions
> of this that are available, please let me know.
>
> Thank you.
>
> All the best,
>
> ????? ???????
> Patrick McCartney, PhD
> Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
> (OICD), Kyoto
> Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
> Japan
> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
> National University
> Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
> University
>
> Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
> Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
> Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
>  Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/> Academia
> <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/> Linkedin
> <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
>  Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>
>
> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    -
>
>
>
>
>
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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Mon May 25 07:20:46 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 09:20:46 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication - THURSTON Castes and Tribes
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eZjDRRN8zBJBFrTMT8NzFTa+RgJZJnwLg=fVWxDgugT6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8848DC28-BE69-4AC3-A6D9-C47F6E5AB58F@uclouvain.be>

It is in vol. 6 p. 125-6 in the original edition

https://archive.org/details/castestribesofso06thuriala/page/124/mode/2up/search/pilla
THURSTON Castes and Tribes

vol. 1 : https://archive.org/details/castestribesofso01thuriala/

vol. 2 : https://archive.org/details/castestribesofso02thuriala/

vol. 3 : https://archive.org/details/castestribesofso03thuriala/

vol. 4 : https://archive.org/details/castestribesofso04thuriala/

vol. 5 : https://archive.org/details/castestribesofso05thuriala/

vol. 6 : https://archive.org/details/castestribesofso06thuriala/

vol. 7 : https://archive.org/details/castestribesofso07thuriala/

Pour saisie texte : http://www.payer.de/quellenkunde/quellen1606.htm

html : http://www.crlearning.org/files/HTML/65000/65124-0000.html



> Le 25 mai 2020 ? 06:51, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> Thanks Prof. Asko Parpola for sharing. It was not only a thick ethnography but even made a very good reading. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 9:05 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Dear Alf, on the mantrav?dins of Kerala and the ?baby oil?:
> 
> Parpola, Asko, 1999. The iconography and cult of Ku??icc?ttan: Field research on the sanskritization of local folk deities in Kerala. Pp. 175-205 in: Johannes Bronkhorst &  Madhav M. Deshpande (eds.), Aryan and Non-Aryan in South Asia: Evidence, interpretation and ideology. Proceedings of the International seminar on Aryan and Non-Aryan in South Asia, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, 25-27 October 1996. (Harvard Oriental Series, Opera Minora, 3.) Cambridge, Mass.: Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University.  Reprinted, New Delhi: Manohar Publishers and Distributors Ltd., 2012. Hb ISBN 978-81-7304-918-7. Downloadable at helsinki.academia.edu/AskoParpola <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhelsinki.academia.edu%2FAskoParpola&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cd65f989b2c364b67f66608d800676de1%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637259791520209496&sdata=Ns3Uua54BFuFl07xdJFgIJcLUXns3CqWOMV9HlK%2FwwI%3D&reserved=0>
> 
> Best wishes, Asko
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 May 2020, at 1.59, Alfred Hiltebeitel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear colleagues,
>> 
>> I have a somwhat unusual request for som help. I would like to know if someone has a copy. Of Volume 6, page 22 of Thurston and Rangachari?s Castes annd Tribes of Southern India, and would be willing to make a copy of the page and the surrounding couple of pages for me. The topic is mantravadis of Kerala and their preparation of something called pilla thilam or ?baby oil? using the six or seven month-old foetus of a prima para. I have only my notes and am far from my library in Colombia, S.A.
>> 
>> If the is some easier way to send the material,  that would likewise be much appreciated.
>> 
>> Than you,
>> 
>> Alf
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Dear Camillo:
>>> https://archive.org/details/MedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2FMedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cd65f989b2c364b67f66608d800676de1%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637259791520219491&sdata=LDkI94SXRTtrZITm5nZKRXwJYDDj3QNaw09ur%2BDREyY%3D&reserved=0>
>>> Best,
>>> Tim Lubin
>>>  
>>> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>>> Reply-To: Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk <mailto:camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>>
>>> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 5:13 AM
>>> To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
>>>  
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>  
>>> I was wondering if any of you could help me by providing an electronic version of the following publication:
>>>  
>>> H. Sakya and T. R. Vaidya, Medieval Nepal (colophons and inscriptions), Kathmandu 1970
>>>  
>>> Best wishes,
>>>  
>>> Camillo
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
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> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
> 
> 
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, 
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From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 13:05:36 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammar notes for beginners
Message-ID: <CAODNnZiD1xF+0ofhK30fC8OFHCHD0tKNLrUWYFTRK5wcbR+mpg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all
I have made this easy reference table for my students.

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From acchoda at gmail.com  Mon May 25 08:58:26 2020
From: acchoda at gmail.com (David Smith)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 09:58:26 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:_2_articles_by_Willem_Boll=C3=A9e_(corrections)?=
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Message-ID: <CAA=_wHeGXccE+rSdTAtnrX-18vmjte8LYyWGZrrgrQXQ16dmfA@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to colleagues who sent pdfs.

David Smith

Review of CHOJNACKI Kuvalaym?l? 2008. Orientalistische
Literaturzeitung 107 (2012): 203-206.

Addenda et Corrigenda to Boll?e, Willem B., Cultural Encyclopaedia of
the Kath?sarits?gara. Zeitschrift f?r Indologie und S?dasienstudien
32/33 (2015/20016): 175-202.

-
Dr David Smith
Reader in South Asian Religions (retired)
Lancaster University
UK
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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Mon May 25 13:32:10 2020
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 19:02:10 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammar notes for beginners
In-Reply-To: <CAODNnZiD1xF+0ofhK30fC8OFHCHD0tKNLrUWYFTRK5wcbR+mpg@mail.gmail.com>
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  Dear all
I have noticed few typos sent by friends.
Will send new one after I receive all the corrections.
KP

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:05 PM Krishnaprasad G <krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all
> I have made this easy reference table for my students.
>
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From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com  Mon May 25 16:05:04 2020
From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 21:35:04 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?B?W0lORE9MT0dZXSAxOCDgpI/gpJXgpL7gpJXgpY3gpLfgpLDgpJXgpYvgpLc=?=
Message-ID: <CADSGPzWU4_dPBffWvXz5ALKQwsiZgy5MgkAu-kHpd20=m=o9hw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Scholars,
It gives me immense pleasure to present to you 18 ekaksharakoshas.

In my opinion, serial numbers 16 and 17 are of great importance.

I extend my heartfelt thanks to Mr. Manish Rajpara who has typed many of
these works. Credits are in the metadata section in the same file.

1. Ek?k?aran?mam?lik? of Vi?va?ambhu
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharanamamalika_vishvashambhu/orig/ekaksharanamamalika.txt

2. Ek?k?ara?abdam?l? of Harit?lar?j?m?tyam?dhava (Version 1)
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/tree/master/ekaksharashabdamala_madhava

3. Ek?k?ara?abdam?l? of Harit?lar?j?m?tyam?dhava (Version 2)
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharashabdamala_haritalarajamatyamadhava/orig/ekaksharashabdamala.txt

4. Ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Vararuci
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharanamamala_vararuchi/orig/ekaksharanamamala.txt

5. Ek?k?arako?a of Unknown author
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakosha_agyata/orig/ekaksharakosha.txt

6. Ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Unknown author
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharanamamala_agyata/orig/ekaksharanamamala.txt

7. Ek?k?ar?m?t?k?ko?a of Unknown author
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharimatrikakosha_agyata/orig/ekaksharimatrikakosha.txt

8. Ajir?di-ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Unknown author
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ajiradiekaksharanamamala_agyata/orig/ajiradiekaksharanamamala.txt

9. Natv?di-ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Unknown author
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/natvadiekaksharanamamala_agyata/orig/natvadiekaksharanamamala.txt

10. Abhidhanadi-ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Unknown author
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/abhidhanadiekaksharanamamala_agyata/orig/abhidhanadiekaksharanamamala.txt

11. Ek?k?arako?a of Pa??itamanohara
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakosha_panditamanohara/orig/ekaksharakosha.txt

12. Ek?k?aran?mam?l? of K?lid?savy?sa
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharanamamala_kalidasavyasa/orig/ekaksharanamamala.txt

13. Ek?k?arako?am?l? of Su??las?ri
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakoshamala_sushilasuri/orig/ekaksharakoshamala.txt

14. Ek?k?arako??bhidh?na of Bh?skarapa??ita
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakoshabhidhana_bhaskarapandita/orig/ekaksharakoshabhidhana.txt

15. Ek?k?arako?a of Unknown Pandita
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakosha_agyatapandita/orig/ekaksharakosha.txt

16. Sundaraik?k?arako?a of R?jasundaravijayas?ri
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/sundaraikaksharakosha_rajasundaravijayasuri/orig/sundaraikaksharakosha.txt

17. Ek?disa?khy?sa?jn?ko?a of Unknown author
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekadisankhyasangyakosha_agyata/orig/ekadisankhyasangyakosha.txt

18. Ek?k?ar?n?mam?l? of Kavi Ratan? v?rabh??a (In R?jasth?n? language)
https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharinamamala_ratanuvirabhana/orig/ekaksharinamamala.txt






-- 
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon May 25 16:16:41 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 09:16:41 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0gMTgg4KSP4KSV4KS+4KSV4KWN4KS34KSw4KSV4KWL4KS3?=
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Dear Dr. Patel,

     Thank you so much for making these rare resources available to
scholars.  It is an admirable achievement.  Congratulations!

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 9:05 AM Dhaval Patel <drdhaval2785 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Scholars,
> It gives me immense pleasure to present to you 18 ekaksharakoshas.
>
> In my opinion, serial numbers 16 and 17 are of great importance.
>
> I extend my heartfelt thanks to Mr. Manish Rajpara who has typed many of
> these works. Credits are in the metadata section in the same file.
>
> 1. Ek?k?aran?mam?lik? of Vi?va?ambhu
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharanamamalika_vishvashambhu/orig/ekaksharanamamalika.txt
>
> 2. Ek?k?ara?abdam?l? of Harit?lar?j?m?tyam?dhava (Version 1)
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/tree/master/ekaksharashabdamala_madhava
>
> 3. Ek?k?ara?abdam?l? of Harit?lar?j?m?tyam?dhava (Version 2)
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharashabdamala_haritalarajamatyamadhava/orig/ekaksharashabdamala.txt
>
> 4. Ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Vararuci
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharanamamala_vararuchi/orig/ekaksharanamamala.txt
>
> 5. Ek?k?arako?a of Unknown author
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakosha_agyata/orig/ekaksharakosha.txt
>
> 6. Ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Unknown author
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharanamamala_agyata/orig/ekaksharanamamala.txt
>
> 7. Ek?k?ar?m?t?k?ko?a of Unknown author
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharimatrikakosha_agyata/orig/ekaksharimatrikakosha.txt
>
> 8. Ajir?di-ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Unknown author
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ajiradiekaksharanamamala_agyata/orig/ajiradiekaksharanamamala.txt
>
> 9. Natv?di-ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Unknown author
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/natvadiekaksharanamamala_agyata/orig/natvadiekaksharanamamala.txt
>
> 10. Abhidhanadi-ek?k?aran?mam?l? of Unknown author
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/abhidhanadiekaksharanamamala_agyata/orig/abhidhanadiekaksharanamamala.txt
>
> 11. Ek?k?arako?a of Pa??itamanohara
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakosha_panditamanohara/orig/ekaksharakosha.txt
>
> 12. Ek?k?aran?mam?l? of K?lid?savy?sa
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharanamamala_kalidasavyasa/orig/ekaksharanamamala.txt
>
> 13. Ek?k?arako?am?l? of Su??las?ri
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakoshamala_sushilasuri/orig/ekaksharakoshamala.txt
>
> 14. Ek?k?arako??bhidh?na of Bh?skarapa??ita
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakoshabhidhana_bhaskarapandita/orig/ekaksharakoshabhidhana.txt
>
> 15. Ek?k?arako?a of Unknown Pandita
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharakosha_agyatapandita/orig/ekaksharakosha.txt
>
> 16. Sundaraik?k?arako?a of R?jasundaravijayas?ri
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/sundaraikaksharakosha_rajasundaravijayasuri/orig/sundaraikaksharakosha.txt
>
> 17. Ek?disa?khy?sa?jn?ko?a of Unknown author
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekadisankhyasangyakosha_agyata/orig/ekadisankhyasangyakosha.txt
>
> 18. Ek?k?ar?n?mam?l? of Kavi Ratan? v?rabh??a (In R?jasth?n? language)
>
> https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ekaksharinamamala_ratanuvirabhana/orig/ekaksharinamamala.txt
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S
> Collector and District Magistrate, Surat
> www.sanskritworld.in
>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon May 25 21:13:39 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 25 May 20 15:13:39 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Altekar's "A history of important ancient towns and cities in Gujarat and Kathiawad, from earliest times to about 1300 A.D."?
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CerXq4U9+6fE0FrWUK6g-xJvLLHM3t_TDXodMSa67U6kQ@mail.gmail.com>

I can't find this book in archive.org or in other Google searches on the
internet.  My university library doesn't have it and interlibrary loan
isn't working.

Does anyone here have a scan of this book, by any chance?

Worldcat permalink: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/4387753

Best,
Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.


South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


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From aparpola at gmail.com  Tue May 26 04:36:20 2020
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 07:36:20 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Altekar's "A history of important ancient towns and cities in Gujarat and Kathiawad, from earliest times to about 1300 A.D."?
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CerXq4U9+6fE0FrWUK6g-xJvLLHM3t_TDXodMSa67U6kQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A900E4B3-9D3E-4956-A0CD-244D14A25A13@gmail.com>

Dear Dominik, according to Worldcat, this book is reprinted from the Indian Antiquary, vols. 53-54, 1924-1925, which should be in archive.org <http://archive.org/>.

Best wishes, Asko

> On 26 May 2020, at 0.13, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> I can't find this book in archive.org <http://archive.org/> or in other Google searches on the internet.  My university library doesn't have it and interlibrary loan isn't working.
> 
> Does anyone here have a scan of this book, by any chance?  
> 
> Worldcat permalink: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/4387753 <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/4387753>
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>,
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity,
> Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>,
> University of Alberta, Canada.
> 
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From shankaranair at gmail.com  Tue May 26 07:17:30 2020
From: shankaranair at gmail.com (Shankar Nair)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 03:17:30 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Book announcement: Translating Wisdom
Message-ID: <CAN5=mo5yNXv2viBM--HDow9udeVS1ke7Huni-p_vz5ykMAp4_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,


With apologies for the self-promotion -- but hoping to do right by a
wonderful press that generously poured so many of its own resources into it
-- I am pleased to announce the publication of my book, *Translating
Wisdom: Hindu-Muslim Intellectual Interactions in Early Modern South
Asia* (University
of California Press). I am grateful that UC Press has made the book widely
accessible through a free open-access download (link below), with print
copies also available in paperback.


https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520345683


The book description is below. Please feel free to download and share.


With many thanks,


Shankar Nair


Assistant Professor

Department of Religious Studies and

Middle Eastern & South Asian Languages & Cultures

University of Virginia


-----------------


Translating Wisdom: Hindu-Muslim Intellectual Interactions in Early Modern
South Asia



During the height of Muslim power in Mughal South Asia, Hindu and Muslim
scholars worked collaboratively to translate a large body of Hindu Sanskrit
texts into the Persian language. *Translating Wisdom* reconstructs the
intellectual processes and exchanges that underlay these translations.
Using as a case study the 1597 Persian rendition of the
*Laghu-Yoga-V?si??ha*?an influential Sanskrit philosophical tale whose
popularity stretched across the subcontinent?Shankar Nair illustrates how
these early modern Muslim and Hindu scholars drew upon their respective
religious, philosophical, and literary traditions to forge a common
vocabulary through which to understand one another. These scholars thus
achieved, Nair argues, a nuanced cultural exchange and interreligious and
cross-philosophical dialogue significant not only to South Asia?s past but
also its present.


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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Tue May 26 07:26:50 2020
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 07:26:50 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Book announcement: Translating Wisdom
In-Reply-To: <CAN5=mo5yNXv2viBM--HDow9udeVS1ke7Huni-p_vz5ykMAp4_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB4396442436BDAABAFB618920A1B00@DM6PR11MB4396.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Congratulations, Shankar!

It's wonderful that your book is out and so easily available - a really superb contribution.

all best,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Shankar Nair via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 2:17 AM
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Book announcement: Translating Wisdom


Dear colleagues,


With apologies for the self-promotion -- but hoping to do right by a wonderful press that generously poured so many of its own resources into it -- I am pleased to announce the publication of my book, Translating Wisdom: Hindu-Muslim Intellectual Interactions in Early Modern South Asia (University of California Press). I am grateful that UC Press has made the book widely accessible through a free open-access download (link below), with print copies also available in paperback.


https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520345683


The book description is below. Please feel free to download and share.


With many thanks,


Shankar Nair


Assistant Professor

Department of Religious Studies and

Middle Eastern & South Asian Languages & Cultures

University of Virginia


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Translating Wisdom: Hindu-Muslim Intellectual Interactions in Early Modern South Asia



During the height of Muslim power in Mughal South Asia, Hindu and Muslim scholars worked collaboratively to translate a large body of Hindu Sanskrit texts into the Persian language. Translating Wisdom reconstructs the intellectual processes and exchanges that underlay these translations. Using as a case study the 1597 Persian rendition of the Laghu-Yoga-V?si??ha?an influential Sanskrit philosophical tale whose popularity stretched across the subcontinent?Shankar Nair illustrates how these early modern Muslim and Hindu scholars drew upon their respective religious, philosophical, and literary traditions to forge a common vocabulary through which to understand one another. These scholars thus achieved, Nair argues, a nuanced cultural exchange and interreligious and cross-philosophical dialogue significant not only to South Asia?s past but also its present.


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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Tue May 26 12:58:58 2020
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (rrocher)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 08:58:58 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Book announcement: Translating Wisdom
In-Reply-To: <CAN5=mo5yNXv2viBM--HDow9udeVS1ke7Huni-p_vz5ykMAp4_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c9f9899f-6659-80b7-4a5a-c8f1429779b4@sas.upenn.edu>

Congratulations! I immediately ordered a paper copy, which I am promised 
by June 1. I look forward to reading what promises to be a wonderful 
companion as I emerge from a book of my own.

Rosane Rocher
Professor Emerita of South Asia Studies
University of Pennsylvania

On 5/26/20 3:17 AM, Shankar Nair via INDOLOGY wrote:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
> With apologies for the self-promotion -- but hoping to do right by a 
> wonderful press that generously poured so many of its own resources 
> into it -- I am pleased to announce the publication of my book, 
> /Translating Wisdom: Hindu-Muslim Intellectual Interactions in Early 
> Modern South Asia/?(University of California Press). I am grateful 
> that UC Press has made the book widely accessible through a free 
> open-access download (link below), with print copies also available in 
> paperback.
>
>
> https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520345683
>
>
> The book description is below. Please feel free to download and share.
>
>
> With many thanks,
>
>
> Shankar Nair
>
>
> Assistant Professor
>
> Department of Religious Studies and
>
> Middle Eastern & South Asian Languages & Cultures
>
> University of Virginia
>
>
> -----------------
>
>
>   Translating Wisdom: Hindu-Muslim Intellectual Interactions in Early
>   Modern South Asia
>
>
>
> During the height of Muslim power in Mughal South Asia, Hindu and 
> Muslim scholars worked collaboratively to translate a large body of 
> Hindu Sanskrit texts into the Persian language. /Translating 
> Wisdom/?reconstructs the intellectual processes and exchanges that 
> underlay these translations. Using?as a case study the 1597 Persian 
> rendition of the /Laghu-Yoga-V?si??ha/?an influential Sanskrit 
> philosophical tale whose popularity stretched across the 
> subcontinent?Shankar Nair illustrates how these early modern Muslim 
> and Hindu scholars drew upon their respective religious, 
> philosophical, and literary traditions to forge a common vocabulary 
> through which to understand one another. These scholars thus achieved, 
> Nair argues, a nuanced cultural exchange and interreligious and 
> cross-philosophical dialogue significant not only to South Asia?s 
> past?but also its present.
>
>
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From s.raman at utoronto.ca  Tue May 26 13:05:15 2020
From: s.raman at utoronto.ca (Srilata Raman)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 09:05:15 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Book announcement: Translating Wisdom
In-Reply-To: <CAN5=mo5yNXv2viBM--HDow9udeVS1ke7Huni-p_vz5ykMAp4_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C9536042-CAA7-479D-ADB9-F45C334C2DAE@utoronto.ca>

Dear Shankar,
Terrific news and I am so pleased to have access to this right away.  Congratulations and I cannot wait to take a look at it!

Warmly yours,
Srilata
???????-
Srilata Raman,
Associate Professor of Hinduism,
University of Toronto

Sent from my iPad

> On May 26, 2020, at 3:18 AM, Shankar Nair via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> With apologies for the self-promotion -- but hoping to do right by a wonderful press that generously poured so many of its own resources into it -- I am pleased to announce the publication of my book, Translating Wisdom: Hindu-Muslim Intellectual Interactions in Early Modern South Asia (University of California Press). I am grateful that UC Press has made the book widely accessible through a free open-access download (link below), with print copies also available in paperback.
> 
> https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520345683
> 
> The book description is below. Please feel free to download and share.
> 
> With many thanks,
> 
> Shankar Nair
> 
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Religious Studies and
> Middle Eastern & South Asian Languages & Cultures
> University of Virginia
> 
> -----------------
> 
> Translating Wisdom: Hindu-Muslim Intellectual Interactions in Early Modern South Asia
> 
> 
> During the height of Muslim power in Mughal South Asia, Hindu and Muslim scholars worked collaboratively to translate a large body of Hindu Sanskrit texts into the Persian language. Translating Wisdom reconstructs the intellectual processes and exchanges that underlay these translations. Using as a case study the 1597 Persian rendition of the Laghu-Yoga-V?si??ha?an influential Sanskrit philosophical tale whose popularity stretched across the subcontinent?Shankar Nair illustrates how these early modern Muslim and Hindu scholars drew upon their respective religious, philosophical, and literary traditions to forge a common vocabulary through which to understand one another. These scholars thus achieved, Nair argues, a nuanced cultural exchange and interreligious and cross-philosophical dialogue significant not only to South Asia?s past but also its present.
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue May 26 13:54:17 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 07:54:17 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Altekar's "A history of important ancient towns and cities in Gujarat and Kathiawad, from earliest times to about 1300 A.D."?
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CcMgX9fGyRuCba9jYoNZ+mwgRA5VpESafsoFpbvajNO8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CeF6ObfZEj9Qj0TArt0-wLeKwUWWBDzE+Sc7Ywbeb-8Pg@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? and everyone who pointed out that this
was first published in IA.

Sent from Android phone

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From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020, 20:53
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Altekar's "A history of important ancient towns and
cities in Gujarat and Kathiawad, from earliest times to about 1300 A.D."?
To: P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? <szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com>


First published as a supplement to the Indian Antiquary 53 (1924), 54
(1925),
Pp. 1--8: \url{
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.78923/page/n239/mode/2up};
pp. 9--16: \url{
https://archive.org/details/indianantiquaryv015645mbp/page/n21/mode/2up};
pp. 17--24: \url{
https://archive.org/details/indianantiquaryv015645mbp/page/n83/mode/2up/};
pp. 25--32: \url{
https://archive.org/details/indianantiquaryv015645mbp/page/n171/mode/2up};
pp. 33--40: \url{
https://archive.org/details/indianantiquaryv015645mbp/page/n257/mode/2up};
pp. 41--48 : \url{
https://archive.org/details/indianantiquaryv015645mbp/page/n311/mode/1up};
pp. 49--54 (end) : \url{
https://archive.org/details/indianantiquaryv015645mbp/page/n341/mode/1up}.
--
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<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.


South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 15:31, P?ter-D?niel Sz?nt? <
szantopeterdaniel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
>
> Not sure if this helps, but the notes say reprint from IA etc.
> Could it be this of one of these?
> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.78923/page/n101/mode/2up
> The pages are a mess.
>
> Best,
> Peter
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:14 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> I can't find this book in archive.org or in other Google searches on the
>> internet.  My university library doesn't have it and interlibrary loan
>> isn't working.
>>
>> Does anyone here have a scan of this book, by any chance?
>>
>> Worldcat permalink: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/4387753
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
>> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> sas.ualberta.ca
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue May 26 14:48:38 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 08:48:38 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with publication
In-Reply-To: <683C14A1-08FA-447D-BC88-F9208F1367E6@email.gwu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdCSbNKUpSTBK6EUbdzDnUBu+y_GpuBUwq4iYKH6x3_hQ@mail.gmail.com>

[image: image.png]
It's on p. 125
<https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.56742/page/n153/mode/2up/search/foetus>
.


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<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.


South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 17:00, Alfred Hiltebeitel via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> I have a somwhat unusual request for som help. I would like to know if
> someone has a copy. Of Volume 6, page 22 of Thurston and Rangachari?s
> Castes annd Tribes of Southern India, and would be willing to make a copy
> of the page and the surrounding couple of pages for me. The topic is
> mantravadis of Kerala and their preparation of something called pilla
> thilam or ?baby oil? using the six or seven month-old foetus of a prima
> para. I have only my notes and am far from my library in Colombia, S.A.
>
> If the is some easier way to send the material,  that would likewise be
> much appreciated.
>
> Than you,
>
> Alf
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 24, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Dear Camillo:
>
>
> https://archive.org/details/MedievalNepalColophonsAndInscriptionsHemrajShakyaAndT.R.Vaidya
>
> Best,
>
> Tim Lubin
>
>
>
> *From: *INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Reply-To: *Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
> *Date: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 5:13 AM
> *To: *INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject: *[INDOLOGY] Help with publication
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
> I was wondering if any of you could help me by providing an electronic
> version of the following publication:
>
>
>
> H. Sakya and T. R. Vaidya, Medieval Nepal (colophons and inscriptions),
> Kathmandu 1970
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Camillo
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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Tue May 26 16:49:29 2020
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 22:19:29 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammar notes for beginners
In-Reply-To: <CAODNnZiD1xF+0ofhK30fC8OFHCHD0tKNLrUWYFTRK5wcbR+mpg@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear all

Here is the proof read version. Please let me know if there are any more
mistakes.
Thanks
KP

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:05 PM Krishnaprasad G <krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all
> I have made this easy reference table for my students.
>
> any corrections are welcome.
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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Tue May 26 17:02:16 2020
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 22:32:16 +0530
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In-Reply-To: <CAODNnZgG6kNDbH_5wza1x9wOews5CPYnsFBRMU0_rBan-ruikw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAODNnZisiWpy7GrUSAjF_np4gs0OjQqzO8Vt23V0TAr+MpHE8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry. Attached the wrong files. Sending again in a separate email.

On Tue, May 26, 2020, 10:19 PM Krishnaprasad G <krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all
>
> Here is the proof read version. Please let me know if there are any more
> mistakes.
> Thanks
> KP
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:05 PM Krishnaprasad G <
> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>> I have made this easy reference table for my students.
>>
>> any corrections are welcome.
>>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue May 26 18:41:40 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 12:41:40 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] seeking Junagadh/Girnar inscriptions
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Ce4mrQ6hjf5pgLc6S9Nqm35Q5piYx=MPW+ZPCX7o7rd=w@mail.gmail.com>

At the end of his *Travels in Western India* (1839), James Tod gives
translations of several inscriptions.  On p. 516
<https://archive.org/details/travelsinwesternindiajamestodd1839_454_T/page/n598/mode/1up>
he begins a group of seven as follows:
[image: image.png]

I would like to find the original Sanskrit of these inscriptions and some
more academic discussion if possible.  I presume they are in a museum in
Junaga?h, perhaps the Darbar Hall Museum
<https://archaeologymuseum.gujarat.gov.in/Museum/Junagadh2.htm> (although
that looks like it's mostly furniture).  But I don't know my way around the
epigraphical literature well enough to find a more recent study of them.
I've searched Disalkar's "Inscriptions of Kathiawad" without luck.  Online
searches for inscriptions in Junaga?h tend to get blotted out by countless
references to Asoka and Rudrad?man, but I'm looking for something more
local and less famous.

Is there an index or some obvious place I should be looking, in order to
locate a proper epigraphical study of these seven inscriptions?

Many thanks,
Dominik


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,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Tue May 26 21:37:52 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 17:37:52 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o8xOE-UQ+6f72PEwOxG1M6=LUE9vHCpm-DGE_QqUcMEQg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's "The
Sanskrit Language".   It shows a  book with  text  oriented in the book 90
degrees different from the normal orientation in most western books.  I've
seen this orienttion in some small devanagari chanting books.  I'm curious
how common this orientation is, if it is only used for chanting books or if
it is a feature of certain publishers or any other information.

Thanks,
Harry Spier


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue May 26 21:49:47 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 14:49:47 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o8xOE-UQ+6f72PEwOxG1M6=LUE9vHCpm-DGE_QqUcMEQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzceDCeXOc4t6DSyqH39nfEY5QonF1=717R7qF26-adq8g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Harry,

     I have a few books like this.  They are read like pothis.  The only
difference is that instead of loose pages/folios, they are bound, but they
have the same orientation.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's "The
> Sanskrit Language".   It shows a  book with  text  oriented in the book 90
> degrees different from the normal orientation in most western books.  I've
> seen this orienttion in some small devanagari chanting books.  I'm curious
> how common this orientation is, if it is only used for chanting books or if
> it is a feature of certain publishers or any other information.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry Spier
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From LubinT at wlu.edu  Tue May 26 22:13:03 2020
From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 22:13:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o8xOE-UQ+6f72PEwOxG1M6=LUE9vHCpm-DGE_QqUcMEQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F061AC24-DF54-4C37-B8F0-3A72B68E6B13@wlu.edu>

Dear Harry,

It used to be common enough.  The Venkateswara Steam Press, for instance, published many Pur??a texts in this pothi format, as can be seen by scrolling through the hits on this Archive search results page:
https://archive.org/search.php?query=venkateswara+steam+press&page=3

Apart from pur??as, the press seems to have favored the conventional layout, which suggests that they were producing these for consumption in a more traditional manner, i.e., reading aloud ceremonially, and that the manuscript-like presentation reflected that purpose.  They are certainly not the only press to produce printed books in this layout.

Tim Lubin


From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 5:39 PM
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book

Dear list members,

Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's "The Sanskrit Language".   It shows a  book with  text  oriented in the book 90 degrees different from the normal orientation in most western books.  I've seen this orienttion in some small devanagari chanting books.  I'm curious how common this orientation is, if it is only used for chanting books or if it is a feature of certain publishers or any other information.

Thanks,
Harry Spier




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From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Tue May 26 22:36:12 2020
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 17:36:12 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o8xOE-UQ+6f72PEwOxG1M6=LUE9vHCpm-DGE_QqUcMEQg@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Harry,

This format was fairly common in the nineteenth century, especially after
the introduction of lithography made it possible to recreate the 'look' of
a manuscript page. Ulrike Stark has written a bit on this (see *Empire of
Books*) as has Graham Shaw ("The Introduction of Lithography and its Impact
on Book Design in India"). Shaw characterizes lithography as making
possible the "mass production" of manuscripts. I think there are some other
things to be said about that but certainly some communities did see
lithography as a way to mass produce copies of sectarian works in the form
with which they were familiar.

All best,
Tyler


On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 4:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's "The
> Sanskrit Language".   It shows a  book with  text  oriented in the book 90
> degrees different from the normal orientation in most western books.  I've
> seen this orienttion in some small devanagari chanting books.  I'm curious
> how common this orientation is, if it is only used for chanting books or if
> it is a feature of certain publishers or any other information.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry Spier
>
>
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From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Tue May 26 22:43:19 2020
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 17:43:19 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <CAHRgzy1=NSwUTtwHyh+iQDt8JcM0vpKYMHoHnYRBOVzOr-B1Fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHRgzy3a1mABKti7y8ZHb4kYb03+BPEzzwSS5YefciqdbV9N+Q@mail.gmail.com>

P.S. Tibetan communities had been block printing this type of 'book' for
quite some time before lithography arrived in South Asia; xylography began
to flourish in Tibet in the 15th century (see Michela Clemente, "From
Manuscript to Block Printing: In the Search of Stylistic Models for the
Identification of Tibetan Xylographs," Rivista degli studi orientali Nuova
Serie 84 no. 1/4 (2011), 51-66.)

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 5:36 PM Tyler Williams <tylerwwilliams at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Harry,
>
> This format was fairly common in the nineteenth century, especially after
> the introduction of lithography made it possible to recreate the 'look' of
> a manuscript page. Ulrike Stark has written a bit on this (see *Empire of
> Books*) as has Graham Shaw ("The Introduction of Lithography and its
> Impact on Book Design in India"). Shaw characterizes lithography as making
> possible the "mass production" of manuscripts. I think there are some other
> things to be said about that but certainly some communities did see
> lithography as a way to mass produce copies of sectarian works in the form
> with which they were familiar.
>
> All best,
> Tyler
>
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 4:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's "The
>> Sanskrit Language".   It shows a  book with  text  oriented in the book 90
>> degrees different from the normal orientation in most western books.  I've
>> seen this orienttion in some small devanagari chanting books.  I'm curious
>> how common this orientation is, if it is only used for chanting books or if
>> it is a feature of certain publishers or any other information.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Harry Spier
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Tue May 26 23:07:59 2020
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (rrocher)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 19:07:59 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o8xOE-UQ+6f72PEwOxG1M6=LUE9vHCpm-DGE_QqUcMEQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee89ff09-0dd6-08db-f7a0-703ef646b955@sas.upenn.edu>

That was the format of all the early editions of Sanskrit texts 
published by the Sanskrit Press initiated in Calcutta in 1806 under the 
aegis of H.T. Colebrooke and managed by his personal librarian B?b?r?ma. 
They have been described as as valuable as incunables.

Rosane Rocher

On 5/26/20 5:37 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's 
> "The Sanskrit Language".? ?It shows a? book with text? oriented in the 
> book 90 degrees different from the normal orientation in most western 
> books.? I've seen this orienttion?in some small devanagari chanting 
> books.? I'm curious how common this orientation is, if it is only used 
> for chanting books or if it is a feature of certain publishers or any 
> other information.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry Spier
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From ericmgurevitch at gmail.com  Tue May 26 23:12:50 2020
From: ericmgurevitch at gmail.com (Eric Gurevitch)
Date: Tue, 26 May 20 18:12:50 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <ee89ff09-0dd6-08db-f7a0-703ef646b955@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <CAGAFCHa3Uygy4365Vkd=Mo+VpcowFLwO_EMBc7ipWO==BSt1sA@mail.gmail.com>

There is also a useful discussion of both Tibetan xylographs and Colonial
lithographs vis-a-vis poth? and codex formatting in the following chapter,
which also cites Rocher and Rocher's *Making of Western Indology*, p. 74:

Formigatti, Camillo A. 2016. ?A Forgotten Chapter in South Asian Book
History? A Bird?s Eye View of Sanskrit Print Culture.? In *Tibetan
Printing: Comparison, Continuities, and Change*, edited by Hildegard
Diemberger, Franz-Karl Ehrhard, and Peter Kornicki, 72?134.

All the best,
Eric

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:08 PM rrocher via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> That was the format of all the early editions of Sanskrit texts published
> by the Sanskrit Press initiated in Calcutta in 1806 under the aegis of H.T.
> Colebrooke and managed by his personal librarian B?b?r?ma. They have been
> described as as valuable as incunables.
>
> Rosane Rocher
> On 5/26/20 5:37 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY wrote:
>
> Dear list members,
>
> Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's "The
> Sanskrit Language".   It shows a  book with  text  oriented in the book 90
> degrees different from the normal orientation in most western books.  I've
> seen this orienttion in some small devanagari chanting books.  I'm curious
> how common this orientation is, if it is only used for chanting books or if
> it is a feature of certain publishers or any other information.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry Spier
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
>
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-- 

Eric Gurevitch

PhD Candidate, South Asian Languages and Civilizations and

Committee on Conceptual and Historical Studies of Science

University of Chicago

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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Wed May 27 07:25:46 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 09:25:46 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <CAGAFCHa3Uygy4365Vkd=Mo+VpcowFLwO_EMBc7ipWO==BSt1sA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D554EEA-FB55-42DD-A8AA-2E9764A7F3DD@uclouvain.be>

See also the Indology List 2012 thread on "Flipback books or the Pothi form for Roman characters"

> D?but du message r?exp?di? :
> 
> De: Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>
> Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] Flipback books or the Pothi form for Roman characters
> Date: 20 juillet 2012 ? 18:53:54 UTC+2
> ?: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
> 
> Apparently (according to the 'thisbloglife' article, and also by the licences or contracts made with only selected publishers on the different - English, French, Spanish - markets), there seems to be a copyright on the design itself (beside the fact that 'Dwarsligger' is itself a Dutch registred trademark): according to a Wiki article (written by the publisher, except a line added by me...) for the ".2 Point Deux" French series of "ultra-poches" (http://www.editionspoint2.com/ <http://www.editionspoint2.com/>), "La Martini?re Groupe a d?cid? de racheter les droits du format pour la France au d?but de l'ann?e 2010 et pour deux ans", and the printing itself remains made by Jongbloed ("Les textes sont imprim?s sur du papier-bible par l'inventeur hollandais"), see:  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Deux <http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Deux>
> The precise terms of the copyright seem not available.
> 
> Le 20 juil. 2012 ? 18:35, Dominik Wujastyk a ?crit :
> 
>> I think you're right, Christophe.  The widespread use of this format in India arguably constitutes "prior art <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art>".  But Jongbloed may have genuinely invented a novel spine and binding, I don't know.  If Jongbloed tried to sue Khemaraja Shreekrishnadas on the physical format, I think the might fail.  It would only arise if KS tried to compete.  Seems highly unlikely :-)   Is the claim for copyright on the design, or a registered trademark on the names, rather?  I didn't see a copyright claim in the links you posted.
>> 
>> Dominik
>> 
>> On 20 July 2012 16:36, Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be <mailto:christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>> wrote:
>> Dear List,
>> In reading the article "Flipback books: new direction of dead end" 
>> http://www.thisbloglife.com/2012/07/flipback-books-new-direction-or-dead-end/ <http://www.thisbloglife.com/2012/07/flipback-books-new-direction-or-dead-end/>
>> I was astonished to hear that the Dutch publishing company "Jongbloed" (http://www.jongbloed.com/ <http://www.jongbloed.com/>) had attached a copyright to the Dwarsligger? book format (http://www.dwarsligger.com/ <http://www.dwarsligger.com/> or http://www.dwarsligger.nl/ <http://www.dwarsligger.nl/>) they pretend to have created in 2009 (see the interview of their international marketing manager at http://laurastanfill.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/the-flipback-part-2/ <http://laurastanfill.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/the-flipback-part-2/>
>> or, in Dutch, of the general manager at http://www.amboanthos.com/Uploads/pdf/090828%20boekblad%20artikel.pdf <http://www.amboanthos.com/Uploads/pdf/090828%20boekblad%20artikel.pdf> : "the greatest book-innovation after Gutenberg"), and which is known on the English speaking market as the Flipback format (Hodder & Stoughton Publ.), or in French as "ultra- or hyper-poche" (La Martini?re Publ.). 
>> I wonder what's the difference with the Pothi form used in Indian printing since the 19th century and still in use in publishing houses like the Venkateswara Press in Mumbai (see the smallest pocket Bhagavadgita available in Flipback/Pothi form at http://www.khe-shri.com/khemraj.htm <http://www.khe-shri.com/khemraj.htm>). Can this Western (at least Dutch...) commercial capture (this is not very Christian for a Bible publisher...) of an Indian design remain without reaction?
>> Best wishes,
>> Christophe Vielle
>> 
>> 



> Le 27 mai 2020 ? 01:12, Eric Gurevitch via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> There is also a useful discussion of both Tibetan xylographs and Colonial lithographs vis-a-vis poth? and codex formatting in the following chapter, which also cites Rocher and Rocher's Making of Western Indology, p. 74:
> 
> Formigatti, Camillo A. 2016. ?A Forgotten Chapter in South Asian Book History? A Bird?s Eye View of Sanskrit Print Culture.? In Tibetan Printing: Comparison, Continuities, and Change, edited by Hildegard Diemberger, Franz-Karl Ehrhard, and Peter Kornicki, 72?134. 
> 
> All the best,
> Eric
> 
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:08 PM rrocher via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> That was the format of all the early editions of Sanskrit texts published by the Sanskrit Press initiated in Calcutta in 1806 under the aegis of H.T. Colebrooke and managed by his personal librarian B?b?r?ma. They have been described as as valuable as incunables. 
> Rosane Rocher
> On 5/26/20 5:37 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY wrote:
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's "The Sanskrit Language".   It shows a  book with  text  oriented in the book 90 degrees different from the normal orientation in most western books.  I've seen this orienttion in some small devanagari chanting books.  I'm curious how common this orientation is, if it is only used for chanting books or if it is a feature of certain publishers or any other information.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Harry Spier
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> -- 
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> Committee on Conceptual and Historical Studies of Science
> University of Chicago
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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Wed May 27 14:02:54 2020
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 14:02:54 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a woman marrying a calf
Message-ID: <19f077a0bec5428685f46f3882a1044d@hum.leidenuniv.nl>

Dear members of this list,

A friend of mine, a sinologist, is working on a story (with versions in Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess marries a calf (young cow). The editor of the Chinese version writes that this is a common theme in South Asian story literature, but my friend has so far been to find any references to it. He checked Cowley's collection of j?taka stories and Laurits Bodker's on Indian animal stories.

I myself am unable to help him either. For one thing, the name of the author of the index on motifs in Indian literature does not occur to me (Thomson?). I hope the motif rings a bell with someone on this list.

With kind regards, Herman


Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>


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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Wed May 27 15:14:58 2020
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 17:14:58 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a woman marrying a calf
In-Reply-To: <19f077a0bec5428685f46f3882a1044d@hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <06b2f06d-bb65-8f98-a3c6-4dbb6ff6c6a3@gmail.com>


Stith Thompson's
Motif-Index of Folk-Literature:


https://archive.org/details/Thompson2016MotifIndex


Best


Heiner





Am 27.05.2020 um 16:02 schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY:
>
> Dear members of this list,
>
> A friend of mine, a?sinologist, is working on a story (with versions 
> in?Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess marries a calf (young 
> cow). The editor of the Chinese version writes that this is a common 
> theme in South Asian story literature, but my friend has so far been 
> to find any references to it. He checked Cowley's collection of j?taka 
> stories and Laurits Bodker's on Indian animal stories.
>
> I myself am unable to help him either. For one thing,?the name of the 
> author of the index on motifs in Indian literature does not occur to 
> me (Thomson?). I hope the motif rings a bell with someone on this list.
>
> With kind regards, Herman
>
>
> Herman Tieken
> Stationsweg 58
> 2515 BP Den Haag
> The Netherlands
> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
> website: hermantieken.com <http://hermantieken.com/>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rblinderman at g.harvard.edu  Wed May 27 18:51:04 2020
From: rblinderman at g.harvard.edu (Blinderman, Radha)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 20:51:04 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_PDF_request:_Pata=C3=B1jali=E2=80=99s_Vy=C4=81kara=E1=B9=87amah=C4=81bh=C4=81=E1=B9=A3ya_1976,_1979_of_Joshi_and_Roodbergen?=
Message-ID: <CAM56PcoCBGfUyYG6afUK7B3YdzU3a124JGbceDvnwLh_OZcUGA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I wonder if anyone has PDFs or scans of some sections from these two
volumes by Joshi and Roodbergen:

*Pata?jali?s Vy?kara?amah?bh??ya. Anabhihit?hnika.* Poona 1976.

*Pata?jali?s Vy?kara?amah?bh??ya. Vibhaktyahnika. *Poona 1979


I have seen online several other volumes from the series, but unfortunately
not these ones, and currently library services are unavailable, so I cannot
request a physical book or a scan. I of course would not want to infringe
any copyright laws, but would appreciate having access at least to some
sections. If anyone happens to have and would not mind sharing the scans of
the sections just on A???dhy?y? *2.3.2 **karma?i dvit?y? *and *2.3.18
**kart?kara?ayos
t?t?y?, *I would be much indebted.


??????? ??????,

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From baums at lmu.de  Wed May 27 19:00:29 2020
From: baums at lmu.de (Stefan Baums)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 15:00:29 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Enquiry on all four parts of etext Jayadrathayamala
Message-ID: <875zchw6cy.fsf@lmu.de>

Dear list members,

if anybody can help Mr Mukherjee, who is not a member of the list,
with his query below please write to him directly.

All best,
Stefan Baums

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
From: Mangaldip Mukherjee <mukherjeemangaldip at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:57:51 +0530
Subject: Enquiry on all four parts of etext Jayadrathayamala
To: indology-owner at list.indology.info

Respected sir,
My name is Mangaldip Mukherjee. I live in India, west bengal. I am student
of literature here.But my most interests on Indian past cultures,tantra are
so immense that i study them very closely.
Sir, i found that you may know and have the all four parts of
jayadrathayamala. this made me so happy in heart because  for more than 4
months my research is based on saiva vidyapitha works. I studied
Brahmayamala and others with the text itself. But the problem  comes with
above mentioned work Jayadrathayamala, their are no editions of it.
Impossible to find in the internet, and all of a sudden i read that you
have all the four sataks. Sir this is hearted request to you, can you plzz
help me in my research and study and give me the four parts of Jayadratha
yamala in a readable format. If you have problem with this can you do
anything that will help me in this regard.
Hope you shall look into it, and do something for me.

Yours sincerely
Mangaldip mukherjee.
India, west bengal.
-------------------- End of forwarded message --------------------

-- 
Stefan Baums, Ph.D.
Institut f?r Indologie und Tibetologie
Ludwig?Maximilians?Universit?t M?nchen





From kauzeya at gmail.com  Wed May 27 19:02:38 2020
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 21:02:38 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a woman marrying a calf
In-Reply-To: <06b2f06d-bb65-8f98-a3c6-4dbb6ff6c6a3@gmail.com>
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One might see:
https://www.academia.edu/11037037/Stith_Thompson_Motif_Index_Of_Folk_Literature_Revised_And_Enlarged_Version

But perhaps what was rather in mind was The Oral Tales of India, by Stith
Thompson and Jonas Balys?
This seems to be freely available here
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106000768348&view=1up&seq=19

Jonathan

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:15 PM Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> Stith Thompson's
> Motif-Index of Folk-Literature:
>
>
> https://archive.org/details/Thompson2016MotifIndex
>
>
> Best
>
>
> Heiner
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 27.05.2020 um 16:02 schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY:
>
> Dear members of this list,
>
> A friend of mine, a sinologist, is working on a story (with versions
> in Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess marries a calf (young cow).
> The editor of the Chinese version writes that this is a common theme in
> South Asian story literature, but my friend has so far been to find any
> references to it. He checked Cowley's collection of j?taka stories and
> Laurits Bodker's on Indian animal stories.
>
> I myself am unable to help him either. For one thing, the name of the
> author of the index on motifs in Indian literature does not occur to me
> (Thomson?). I hope the motif rings a bell with someone on this list.
>
> With kind regards, Herman
>
>
> Herman Tieken
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Wed May 27 19:37:59 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 15:37:59 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
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Thank you to everyone for this information and the book references.  A
little reading for the summer.
Harry Spier

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:25 AM Christophe Vielle <
christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be> wrote:

> See also the Indology List 2012 thread on "*Flipback books or the Pothi
> form for Roman characters"*
>
> D?but du message r?exp?di? :
>
> *De: *Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>
> *Objet: **R?p : [INDOLOGY] Flipback books or the Pothi form for Roman
> characters*
> *Date: *20 juillet 2012 ? 18:53:54 UTC+2
> *?: *Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
>
> Apparently (according to the 'thisbloglife' article, and also by the
> licences or contracts made with only selected publishers on the different -
> English, French, Spanish - markets), there seems to be a copyright on the
> design itself (beside the fact that 'Dwarsligger' is itself a Dutch
> registred trademark): according to a Wiki article (written by the
> publisher, except a line added by me...) for the ".2 Point Deux" French
> series of "ultra-poches" (http://www.editionspoint2.com/), "La Martini?re
> Groupe a d?cid? de racheter les droits du format pour la France au d?but de
> l'ann?e 2010 et pour deux ans", and the printing itself remains made by
> Jongbloed ("Les textes sont imprim?s sur du papier-bible par l'inventeur
> hollandais"), see:  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Deux
> The precise terms of the copyright seem not available.
>
> Le 20 juil. 2012 ? 18:35, Dominik Wujastyk a ?crit :
>
> I think you're right, Christophe.  The widespread use of this format in
> India arguably constitutes "prior art
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art>".  But Jongbloed may have
> genuinely invented a novel spine and binding, I don't know.  If Jongbloed
> tried to sue Khemaraja Shreekrishnadas on the physical format, I think the
> might fail.  It would only arise if KS tried to compete.  Seems highly
> unlikely :-)   Is the claim for copyright on the design, or a registered
> trademark on the names, rather?  I didn't see a copyright claim in the
> links you posted.
>
> Dominik
>
> On 20 July 2012 16:36, Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>
>  wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>> In reading the article "Flipback books: new direction of dead end"
>>
>> http://www.thisbloglife.com/2012/07/flipback-books-new-direction-or-dead-end/
>> I was astonished to hear that the Dutch publishing company "Jongbloed" (
>> http://www.jongbloed.com/) had attached a copyright to the Dwarsligger? book
>> format (http://www.dwarsligger.com/ or http://www.dwarsligger.nl/) they
>> pretend to have created in 2009 (see the interview of their international
>> marketing manager at
>> http://laurastanfill.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/the-flipback-part-2/
>> or, in Dutch, of the general manager at
>> http://www.amboanthos.com/Uploads/pdf/090828%20boekblad%20artikel.pdf :
>> "the greatest book-innovation after Gutenberg"), and which is known on the
>> English speaking market as the Flipback format (Hodder & Stoughton
>> Publ.), or in French as "ultra- or hyper-poche" (La Martini?re Publ.).
>> I wonder what's the difference with the Pothi form used in Indian
>> printing since the 19th century and still in use in publishing houses like
>> the Venkateswara Press in Mumbai (see the smallest pocket Bhagavadgita
>> available in Flipback/Pothi form at http://www.khe-shri.com/khemraj.htm).
>> Can this Western (at least Dutch...) commercial capture (this is not very
>> Christian for a Bible publisher...) of an Indian design remain without
>> reaction?
>> Best wishes,
>> Christophe Vielle
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Le 27 mai 2020 ? 01:12, Eric Gurevitch via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
>
> There is also a useful discussion of both Tibetan xylographs and Colonial
> lithographs vis-a-vis poth? and codex formatting in the following chapter,
> which also cites Rocher and Rocher's *Making of Western Indology*, p. 74:
>
> Formigatti, Camillo A. 2016. ?A Forgotten Chapter in South Asian Book
> History? A Bird?s Eye View of Sanskrit Print Culture.? In *Tibetan
> Printing: Comparison, Continuities, and Change*, edited by Hildegard
> Diemberger, Franz-Karl Ehrhard, and Peter Kornicki, 72?134.
>
> All the best,
> Eric
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:08 PM rrocher via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> That was the format of all the early editions of Sanskrit texts published
>> by the Sanskrit Press initiated in Calcutta in 1806 under the aegis of H.T.
>> Colebrooke and managed by his personal librarian B?b?r?ma. They have been
>> described as as valuable as incunables.
>>
>> Rosane Rocher
>> On 5/26/20 5:37 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> Attached is a picture from the on-line guided lessons for Maurer's "The
>> Sanskrit Language".   It shows a  book with  text  oriented in the book 90
>> degrees different from the normal orientation in most western books.  I've
>> seen this orienttion in some small devanagari chanting books.  I'm curious
>> how common this orientation is, if it is only used for chanting books or if
>> it is a feature of certain publishers or any other information.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Harry Spier
>>
>>
>>
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From alanus1216 at yahoo.com  Wed May 27 19:44:44 2020
From: alanus1216 at yahoo.com (Allen Thrasher)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 19:44:44 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
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Could Tyler please give us the reference for Graham Shaw's paper?
Allen

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From adheesh1 at gmail.com  Wed May 27 20:00:32 2020
From: adheesh1 at gmail.com (adheesh sathaye)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 13:00:32 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a woman marrying a calf
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Dear Herman et al,

My apologies for the lengthy response, as it is a rare but beautiful occasion to learn that someone may be interested in international comparative folktale research.
 
Aside from consulting Thompson?s motif index, which will give you a massive but sparsely documented database of worldwide folk narrative elements (in which, see motifs B600-699, ?Marriage of Person to Animal?),

it might be more valuable for your colleague to do the following research process, which they may not be aware of if they do not have exposure to international folk narrative studies:

First investigate the updated Aarne Thompson Uther (ATU) tale type index (2004, FFC 284-286), (which has superceded the older Aarne-Thompson TT index (1928,1961).

Here I might ask your colleague to pay particular attention to ATU 441, in which Indic tales involving marriages to animal husbands have been classified by Thompson & Roberts (*on that see below). In general animal husband tales are grouped together under ATU 425-449.  It is hard to say without further information about the tale, which tale type this one may be a more precise version of. 

Then consult the various regional Asian tale-type indices, including:

for China:
 Naitong Ting?s _Type Index of Chinese Folktales_ (FFC 223), which has largely superceded
Wolfram Eberhard,  Typen chinesischer Volksm?rchen (FFC120),

I suspect that the tale under question would have been catalogued in one or both of these.

for Japan: - [where it might perhaps be a cognate of the famous tale collected by Kunio Yanagita of the girl who marries a horse? (Oshirasama origin story, Tono Monogatari, tale no. 69)]
Hiroko Ikeda, A Type and Motif Index of Japanese Folk-Literature. (FFC209), which has largely superceded
Keigo Seki, Types of Japanese Folktales (Asian Folklore Studies v. 25, 1966)

and for Korea:
In-hak Choi, A Type Index of Korean Folktales (1979, Seoul: Myeong Ji Univ. Press)
as well as perhaps James Grayson, _Myths and Legends from Korea_ (Routledge 2012).

For finding Indic parallels, there are, as far as I know, four basic resources:

1. Stith Thompson and Warren Roberts, Types of Indic Oral Tales (FFC 180), which is keyed to the AT tale type numbering system (and has been integrated into ATU mentioned above). 

Kirin Narayan notes, in her _Mondays on the Dark Night of the Moon_  (P.244) that ?Thompson and Roberts group together Indic tales with an animal groom under Tale Type 441.? Here she is discussing a tale collected by her (chapter 13 of the book), in which a girl marries a lion. 
She deems this to be Motif B647, ?Marriage to person in animal form - miscellaneous? but it appears to me more likely to be placed under one of the many variants of B601, ?Marriage of person to beast? (in which a number of both Indic and Chinese parallels are listed and might be worth investigating further.)
Incidentally, there is another story in this collection (Chapter Five), involving marriage to a frog, which is perhaps cognate to the familiar european ?Frog King? tale type (ATU 440) - could the Chinese tale be cognate with this one?  


2. Stith Thompson and Jonas Balys, The Oral Tales of India (Indiana Univ. Press, 1958), 
which is a motif index, allied with the Thompson Motif-Index mentioned at the start. 

various versions of B601 will be found in this book, and may lead to fruitful parallels, though perhaps not *cognate* tales in the strict sense. 

3. Heda Jason, Types of Indic Oral Tales Supplement (FFC 242)
this serves as a supplement to Thompson/Roberts mentioned above. 

4. Edwin Kirkland, A BIbliography of South Asian Folklore (Indiana Univ. Press, 1966). 
this will provide numerous possibilities of tracking down sources that may not have been (properly) catalogued in modern digital databases. 


With best wishes,
Adheesh


?
Adheesh Sathaye
University of British Columbia




> On May 27, 2020, at 08:14, Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> 
> Stith Thompson's
> Motif-Index of Folk-Literature:
> 
> https://archive.org/details/Thompson2016MotifIndex <https://archive.org/details/Thompson2016MotifIndex>
> 
> Best
> 
> Heiner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 27.05.2020 um 16:02 schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY:
>> Dear members of this list,
>> A friend of mine, a sinologist, is working on a story (with versions in Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess marries a calf (young cow). The editor of the Chinese version writes that this is a common theme in South Asian story literature, but my friend has so far been to find any references to it. He checked Cowley's collection of j?taka stories and Laurits Bodker's on Indian animal stories.
>> I myself am unable to help him either. For one thing, the name of the author of the index on motifs in Indian literature does not occur to me (Thomson?). I hope the motif rings a bell with someone on this list.
>> With kind regards, Herman
>> 
>> Herman Tieken
>> Stationsweg 58
>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>> The Netherlands
>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>> website: hermantieken.com <http://hermantieken.com/>
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From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Wed May 27 20:11:07 2020
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 15:11:07 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
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Of course: Graham Shah, "The Introduction Of Lithography And Its Impact On
Book Design In India
<http://ignca.gov.in/the-introduction-of-lithography-and-its-impact-on-book-design-in-india/>."
Vingama: the IGNCA Newsletter Vol. II No. 2 July ? September 1994.

Best,
TWW

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:45 PM Allen Thrasher via INDOLOGY <
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> Could Tyler please give us the reference for Graham Shaw's paper?
>
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From rajam at earthlink.net  Wed May 27 20:38:54 2020
From: rajam at earthlink.net (rajam)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 13:38:54 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a woman marrying a calf
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Dear Professor Tieken,

/// a story (with versions in Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess marries a calf (young cow). /// 

There is a reference in one of the Old Tamil / Sangam Tamil poems, Kalittokai (?????????), about a buffalo (??????? ????) and a woman?s wedding. Please take a deep look at kalittokai 114:12-14.

I think it was symbolic in some cultures to have some sort of ritual like this ? to involve a bovine as a part of a wedding ceremony.

Since I?m not a socio-anthro specialist, I leave it up to you to figure out what the kalittokai poem refers to. I don?t have my reference books any more, so I couldn?t delve deep into any analysis.

Thanks and regards,
rajam



> On May 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> One might see: https://www.academia.edu/11037037/Stith_Thompson_Motif_Index_Of_Folk_Literature_Revised_And_Enlarged_Version <https://www.academia.edu/11037037/Stith_Thompson_Motif_Index_Of_Folk_Literature_Revised_And_Enlarged_Version>
> 
> But perhaps what was rather in mind was The Oral Tales of India, by Stith Thompson and Jonas Balys?
> This seems to be freely available here https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106000768348&view=1up&seq=19 <https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106000768348&view=1up&seq=19>
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:15 PM Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> Stith Thompson's
> Motif-Index of Folk-Literature:
> 
> 
> https://archive.org/details/Thompson2016MotifIndex <https://archive.org/details/Thompson2016MotifIndex>
> 
> Best
> 
> 
> Heiner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 27.05.2020 um 16:02 schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY:
>> Dear members of this list,
>> 
>> A friend of mine, a sinologist, is working on a story (with versions in Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess marries a calf (young cow). The editor of the Chinese version writes that this is a common theme in South Asian story literature, but my friend has so far been to find any references to it. He checked Cowley's collection of j?taka stories and Laurits Bodker's on Indian animal stories.
>> 
>> I myself am unable to help him either. For one thing, the name of the author of the index on motifs in Indian literature does not occur to me (Thomson?). I hope the motif rings a bell with someone on this list.
>> 
>> With kind regards, Herman
>> 
>> 
>> Herman Tieken
>> Stationsweg 58
>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>> The Netherlands
>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>> website: hermantieken.com <http://hermantieken.com/>
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From shrinsaha at gmail.com  Wed May 27 21:06:33 2020
From: shrinsaha at gmail.com (Niranjan Saha)
Date: Thu, 28 May 20 02:36:33 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Relation_between_'R=C4=81ma'_and_'Roaming'?=
Message-ID: <CAHuz+Cp9yv0HxPyr9UEVQpTXBHQ5-xEqbO5xV7CSWZ=71c1f6g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

One of my old students who is teaching in a West Bengal (India) Government
aided primary school has pointed out the following to me (I've also
attached the screenshots sent by him, which are in Bengali script).

In a text book it's mentioned that the Sanskrit word 'R?ma'  and the
English one 'Roaming' have similarity in terms of their pronunciation and
meaning, as 'R?ma' means 'roamer' (i.e. a person who roams), and that  R?ma
is a hero in the Ramayana which refers to the fact that a group of nomads,
while roaming, entered the Indian subcontinent and settled in the southern
part of India after being settled in the northern part of India.

I'd appreciate to know if the word 'R?ma' bears any such meaning
etymologically.

Sorry for cross posting.


With regards,
Niranjan


Niranjan Saha, PhD, FRAS
Department of Philosophy
Kaliachak College (Gour Banga University)
Sultanganj, Malda, West Bengal, 732201

Publications:
https://ismdhanbad.academia.edu/NiranjanSaha


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed May 27 21:17:26 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 15:17:26 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <CAHRgzy3Ja20+h14kQbQ=zjpJMDQO=9rd+moCKyS08KkUzLZwcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CfeSRfHUdvazQLGndPwY0SPc54d+6m1koYnaunkGLC=MQ@mail.gmail.com>

In the early history of printing in India, especially Bombay, lithograph
printing was commonly done this way, with the text in landscape format.
This was a direct transfer of the look-and-feel of the tradition manuscript
over to the new technology of reproduction.

There's a substantial collection (nearly 200?) of early Indian lithographs
in the Wellcome Library in London.  I don't quickly know how to sub-select
them in the OPAC, but here is a link to some of them.
<https://search.wellcomelibrary.org/iii/encore/search/C__Slithograph__Ff%3Afacetlanguages%3Asan%3Asan%3ASanskrit%3A%3A__Ff%3Afacetmediatype%3Aa%3Aa%3ABooks%3A%3A__Orightresult__X0?lang=eng&suite=cobalt>
The Wellcome Sanskrit and Hindi lithographs were catalogued long ago by
Somdev Vasudev.

Best,
Dominik
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.


South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 14:12, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Of course: Graham Shah, "The Introduction Of Lithography And Its Impact
> On Book Design In India
> <http://ignca.gov.in/the-introduction-of-lithography-and-its-impact-on-book-design-in-india/>."
> Vingama: the IGNCA Newsletter Vol. II No. 2 July ? September 1994.
>
> Best,
> TWW
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:45 PM Allen Thrasher via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Could Tyler please give us the reference for Graham Shaw's paper?
>>
>> Allen
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:38 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> _______________________________________________
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From rsalomon at uw.edu  Wed May 27 22:26:44 2020
From: rsalomon at uw.edu (Richard G. Salomon)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 15:26:44 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a woman marrying a calf
In-Reply-To: <60C19B62-5A71-497D-8389-165B24BAE1E8@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CA+bmU3YTRt-rrxMCpg9n025ZRodH942yKz5YdYyWg9iUUBhQfg@mail.gmail.com>

Then of course there is the curious term  mahi?? for a senior queen, which
seems to resonate with Rajam's comment.

Rich Salomon


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM rajam via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Professor Tieken,
>
> /// a story (with versions in Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess
> marries a calf (young cow). ///
>
> There is a reference in one of the Old Tamil / Sangam Tamil poems,
> Kalittokai (?????????), about a buffalo (??????? ????) and a woman?s
> wedding. Please take a deep look at kalittokai 114:12-14.
>
> I think it was symbolic in some cultures to have some sort of ritual like
> this ? to involve a bovine as a part of a wedding ceremony.
>
> Since I?m not a socio-anthro specialist, I leave it up to you to figure
> out what the kalittokai poem refers to. I don?t have my reference books any
> more, so I couldn?t delve deep into any analysis.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> rajam
>
>
>
> On May 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> One might see:
> https://www.academia.edu/11037037/Stith_Thompson_Motif_Index_Of_Folk_Literature_Revised_And_Enlarged_Version
>
> But perhaps what was rather in mind was The Oral Tales of India, by Stith
> Thompson and Jonas Balys?
> This seems to be freely available here
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106000768348&view=1up&seq=19
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:15 PM Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> Stith Thompson's
>> Motif-Index of Folk-Literature:
>>
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/Thompson2016MotifIndex
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>> Heiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 27.05.2020 um 16:02 schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY:
>>
>> Dear members of this list,
>>
>> A friend of mine, a sinologist, is working on a story (with versions
>> in Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess marries a calf (young cow).
>> The editor of the Chinese version writes that this is a common theme in
>> South Asian story literature, but my friend has so far been to find any
>> references to it. He checked Cowley's collection of j?taka stories and
>> Laurits Bodker's on Indian animal stories.
>>
>> I myself am unable to help him either. For one thing, the name of the
>> author of the index on motifs in Indian literature does not occur to me
>> (Thomson?). I hope the motif rings a bell with someone on this list.
>>
>> With kind regards, Herman
>>
>>
>> Herman Tieken
>> Stationsweg 58
>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>> The Netherlands
>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>> website: hermantieken.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Rolf Heinrich Kochwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com
>>
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
> --
> J. Silk
> Leiden University
> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
> Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
> 2311 BZ Leiden
> The Netherlands
>
> copies of my publications may be found at
> https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Wed May 27 23:01:48 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 19:01:48 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CfeSRfHUdvazQLGndPwY0SPc54d+6m1koYnaunkGLC=MQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o8jwj_5CwvMuqPO=dotru9ZA3_8_mOSxws=uQF1-wdpxw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for this Dominik.  This reminds me that there is a three volume
book set on either devanagari printing in India or devanagari printing in
Maharashtra that has pictures of all the very first devanagari printed
books.  There was some discussion about this on the list a few years back.
I thought I had it but I can't locate it on my computer.  Does anyone
recall the title as I suspect its on archive.org.

Thanks,
Harry Spier

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:34 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> In the early history of printing in India, especially Bombay, lithograph
> printing was commonly done this way, with the text in landscape format.
> This was a direct transfer of the look-and-feel of the tradition manuscript
> over to the new technology of reproduction.
>
> There's a substantial collection (nearly 200?) of early Indian lithographs
> in the Wellcome Library in London.  I don't quickly know how to sub-select
> them in the OPAC, but here is a link to some of them.
> <https://search.wellcomelibrary.org/iii/encore/search/C__Slithograph__Ff%3Afacetlanguages%3Asan%3Asan%3ASanskrit%3A%3A__Ff%3Afacetmediatype%3Aa%3Aa%3ABooks%3A%3A__Orightresult__X0?lang=eng&suite=cobalt>
> The Wellcome Sanskrit and Hindi lithographs were catalogued long ago by
> Somdev Vasudev.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
>
> On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 14:12, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Of course: Graham Shah, "The Introduction Of Lithography And Its Impact
>> On Book Design In India
>> <http://ignca.gov.in/the-introduction-of-lithography-and-its-impact-on-book-design-in-india/>."
>> Vingama: the IGNCA Newsletter Vol. II No. 2 July ? September 1994.
>>
>> Best,
>> TWW
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:45 PM Allen Thrasher via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Could Tyler please give us the reference for Graham Shaw's paper?
>>>
>>> Allen
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:38 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY
>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rajam at earthlink.net  Thu May 28 03:38:41 2020
From: rajam at earthlink.net (rajam)
Date: Wed, 27 May 20 20:38:41 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a woman marrying a calf
In-Reply-To: <60C19B62-5A71-497D-8389-165B24BAE1E8@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <A7BD391A-4E22-4184-8030-F5722CE3949B@earthlink.net>

Also, I?d like to request the list members to consider the type of marriage (called ? ?ri?a? [????]) mentioned in old literature. 

Thanks and regards,
rajam


> On May 27, 2020, at 1:38 PM, rajam <rajam at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Professor Tieken,
> 
> /// a story (with versions in Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess marries a calf (young cow). /// 
> 
> There is a reference in one of the Old Tamil / Sangam Tamil poems, Kalittokai (?????????), about a buffalo (??????? ????) and a woman?s wedding. Please take a deep look at kalittokai 114:12-14.
> 
> I think it was symbolic in some cultures to have some sort of ritual like this ? to involve a bovine as a part of a wedding ceremony.
> 
> Since I?m not a socio-anthro specialist, I leave it up to you to figure out what the kalittokai poem refers to. I don?t have my reference books any more, so I couldn?t delve deep into any analysis.
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> rajam
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 27, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> One might see: https://www.academia.edu/11037037/Stith_Thompson_Motif_Index_Of_Folk_Literature_Revised_And_Enlarged_Version <https://www.academia.edu/11037037/Stith_Thompson_Motif_Index_Of_Folk_Literature_Revised_And_Enlarged_Version>
>> 
>> But perhaps what was rather in mind was The Oral Tales of India, by Stith Thompson and Jonas Balys?
>> This seems to be freely available here https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106000768348&view=1up&seq=19 <https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106000768348&view=1up&seq=19>
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:15 PM Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Stith Thompson's
>> Motif-Index of Folk-Literature:
>> 
>> 
>> https://archive.org/details/Thompson2016MotifIndex <https://archive.org/details/Thompson2016MotifIndex>
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> 
>> Heiner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 27.05.2020 um 16:02 schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY:
>>> Dear members of this list,
>>> 
>>> A friend of mine, a sinologist, is working on a story (with versions in Chinese and Japanese), in which a princess marries a calf (young cow). The editor of the Chinese version writes that this is a common theme in South Asian story literature, but my friend has so far been to find any references to it. He checked Cowley's collection of j?taka stories and Laurits Bodker's on Indian animal stories.
>>> 
>>> I myself am unable to help him either. For one thing, the name of the author of the index on motifs in Indian literature does not occur to me (Thomson?). I hope the motif rings a bell with someone on this list.
>>> 
>>> With kind regards, Herman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Herman Tieken
>>> Stationsweg 58
>>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>>> The Netherlands
>>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>>> website: hermantieken.com <http://hermantieken.com/>
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>>> http://listinfo.indology.info <http://listinfo.indology.info/> (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
>> -- 
>> Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch
>> www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com <http://www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com/>_______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>> http://listinfo.indology.info <http://listinfo.indology.info/> (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> J. Silk
>> Leiden University
>> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
>> Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
>> 2311 BZ Leiden
>> The Netherlands
>> 
>> copies of my publications may be found at
>> https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk <https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From rblinderman at g.harvard.edu  Thu May 28 05:38:21 2020
From: rblinderman at g.harvard.edu (rblinderman at g.harvard.edu)
Date: Thu, 28 May 20 07:38:21 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_PDF_request:_Pata=C3=B1jali=E2=80=99s_Vy=C4=81kara=E1=B9=87amah=C4=81bh=C4=81=E1=B9=A3ya_1976,_1979_of_Joshi_and_Roodbergen?=
In-Reply-To: <CAM56PcoCBGfUyYG6afUK7B3YdzU3a124JGbceDvnwLh_OZcUGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B5550AF-C3CA-4CBA-9C7C-3149DF590F86@g.harvard.edu>

Dear All,

Thank you very much, the problem has been solved, and I am now able to read the sections I need. I am forever indebted for this and would like to sincerely thank the members of the list and its creators. It is a real lifeline!

Gratefully,
Radhika

> On May 27, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Blinderman, Radha <rblinderman at g.harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dear All,
> 
> I wonder if anyone has PDFs or scans of some sections from these two volumes by Joshi and Roodbergen:
> Pata?jali?s Vy?kara?amah?bh??ya. Anabhihit?hnika. Poona 1976.
> 
> Pata?jali?s Vy?kara?amah?bh??ya. Vibhaktyahnika. Poona 1979
> 
> 
> 
> I have seen online several other volumes from the series, but unfortunately not these ones, and currently library services are unavailable, so I cannot request a physical book or a scan. I of course would not want to infringe any copyright laws, but would appreciate having access at least to some sections. If anyone happens to have and would not mind sharing the scans of the sections just on A???dhy?y? 2.3.2 karma?i dvit?y? and 2.3.18 kart?kara?ayos t?t?y?, I would be much indebted.
> 
> 
> 
> ??????? ??????,
> 
> ??????
> 


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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Thu May 28 08:53:25 2020
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Thu, 28 May 20 08:53:25 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Women marrying a calf
Message-ID: <13f24a4a33f9412395fe490d4622422c@hum.leidenuniv.nl>

I would like to thank all those who have responded to my question about a woman marrying a calf. I have passed them on to my friend, who is most grateful.

I have checked the Kalittokai passage referred to by V.S. Rajam. As I see it, the woman does not marry the female buffalo. Apparently, as part of the preparations for the wedding, the bride's family scatters sand on the floor (of the courtyard of their house) and paints the walls red. After that they worship "with a female buffalo" (sacrifice her? Note the red walls, red being the colour of the clothes a convict  is made to wear on the way to place of execution, and sand to absorb the blood). All this will be in vain, as the girl is in love with someone else and is not prepared to marry with a man she does not love. This is, at least, the message she wants a friend to pass on to the man she loves in a desperate attempt to incite him to come and claim her.

Herman


Herman Tieken
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From gokhale.santosh at gmail.com  Thu May 28 12:16:49 2020
From: gokhale.santosh at gmail.com (Santosh Gokhale)
Date: Thu, 28 May 20 14:16:49 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Samprad=C4=81ya_Kalpadruma?=
Message-ID: <CAB_JScWZM_VAiBJ1BXHBxsNUqvJzd1_9RD2ep_9at3-e80bx6w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Scholars,

I am looking for long for a book called 'Samprad?ya Kalpadruma' by
Vitthalan?tha
or manara?jana kavi.
It is apparently a  Pushtimargiya Vaishnava Sampradaya text, which has been
extensively referred to by R B Athawale in his writings on Jagannatha
Pandita,  but all my searches for this book have served futile.

Can anyone guide me to a soft/hard copy of the said text, as also comment
on its relevance in the Pushtimarga tradition?

Kind regards
Santosh


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From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com  Thu May 28 14:05:00 2020
From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel)
Date: Thu, 28 May 20 19:35:00 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?B?W0lORE9MT0dZXSDgpJfgpKPgpL/gpKTgpKjgpL7gpK7gpK7gpL7gpLLgpL4gb2Yg4KS54KSw4KSm4KSk4KWN4KSk?=
Message-ID: <CADSGPzXZ5SmNRtMM3a2m5NiXERtzhFgxc0bq989J_M7un-dDbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear scholars,
Digital version of the following work is now available.
Ga?itan?mam?l? of Haradatta

https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/ganitanamamala_haradatta/orig/ganitanamamala.txt

N.B. - The printed version has a lot of grammatical errors apparent on face
of it. Therefore, the confidence level for editing digitized version is
also quite low.
-- 
Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S
Collector and District Magistrate, Surat
www.sanskritworld.in


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From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Thu May 28 16:43:04 2020
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Thu, 28 May 20 12:43:04 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Samprad=C4=81ya_Kalpadruma?=
In-Reply-To: <CAB_JScWZM_VAiBJ1BXHBxsNUqvJzd1_9RD2ep_9at3-e80bx6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A121404B-994E-403B-AF3C-5E3859A402BF@gmail.com>

Shandip Shah apparently had access to this text when he worked on his 2004 dissertation, A HISTORY OF THE PUSTI MARGA IN NORTHERN AND WESTERN INDIA (1493-1905)  (https://archive.org/stream/PushtiSahityaEnglish/Creating_a_Community_of_Grace_A_History_djvu.txt <https://archive.org/stream/PushtiSahityaEnglish/Creating_a_Community_of_Grace_A_History_djvu.txt>}. He cites a published edition in a footnote: "Also see seventeenth century Braj Bhasa history of the Pusti Marga written by Vitthalnath Bhatt, Sampradaya Kalpadruma (Bombay: Laksmivenkatesvara Chapakhana, 1893.).

Academia.org <http://academia.org/> gives this contact information: Associate Professor in Religious Studies Athabasca University Phone: (780) 420-1337, Email: shandips at athabascau.ca Website: https://ssaha <https://ssaha/>

I am sorry that I cannot directly guide you to any copy of the work or answer to its relevance in the Pushtimarga tradition, but I hope the above information proves to be useful.

Elliot


> On May 28, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Santosh Gokhale via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Scholars,
> 
> I am looking for long for a book called 'Samprad?ya Kalpadruma' by Vitthalan?tha or manara?jana kavi.
> It is apparently a  Pushtimargiya Vaishnava Sampradaya text, which has been extensively referred to by R B Athawale in his writings on Jagannatha Pandita,  but all my searches for this book have served futile.
> 
> Can anyone guide me to a soft/hard copy of the said text, as also comment on its relevance in the Pushtimarga tradition?
> 
> Kind regards
> Santosh
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From tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de  Thu May 28 18:14:46 2020
From: tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de (tatiana.oranskaia)
Date: Thu, 28 May 20 20:14:46 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Interdining_19th century - 1930s
Message-ID: <20200528201446.Horde.fUUk9Nc37D3RX4TSKgott3o@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>


Dear colleagues,

I would be very thankful for references to works about BRAHMANS'
activities/initiatives in North India and, particularly, Maharashtra,  
breaking the
caste rules of segregation of untouchables. The time period in question
is the end of the 19th century - 1930s.
Although the subject doesn't exactly fit in the major research interests
of the list members, the hope is strong for receiving a response.

Best regards,
Tatiana



-- 
Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia
Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
Asien-Afrika-Institut
Universit?t Hamburg
Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re.
20354 Hamburg

Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ)
Fax: 040 42838 6944
tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de







From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Thu May 28 20:47:33 2020
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Thu, 28 May 20 20:47:33 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf search
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB4396D0695C095139C71CDAACA18E0@DM6PR11MB4396.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Dear friends,

On behalf of a colleague whose access to collections is hampered by present circumstances,
I wish to ask if anyone might have an available soft copy of
Kodo Yotsuya's The Critique of Svatantra Reasoning by Candrak?rti and Tsong-kha-pa: A Study of Philosophical Proof According to Two Pr?sa?gika Madhyamaka Traditions of India and Tibet (Franz Steiner Verlag, 1999).

with thanks in advance,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago


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From alanus1216 at yahoo.com  Fri May 29 02:46:55 2020
From: alanus1216 at yahoo.com (Allen Thrasher)
Date: Fri, 29 May 20 02:46:55 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Orientation of text in sanskrit printed book
In-Reply-To: <CAHRgzy3Ja20+h14kQbQ=zjpJMDQO=9rd+moCKyS08KkUzLZwcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1637432763.983715.1590720415809@mail.yahoo.com>


Thank you, Tyler


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From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr  Fri May 29 07:10:23 2020
From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard)
Date: Fri, 29 May 20 09:10:23 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Women marrying a calf
In-Reply-To: <13f24a4a33f9412395fe490d4622422c@hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <09037575-aa05-373c-e1ce-db524edef52e@univ-paris-diderot.fr>

> (sacrifice her? Note the 
>> red walls, red being the colour of the clothes a convict  is made 
>> to wear on the way to place of execution, and sand to absorb the blood)


Dear Herman,

are you seriously stating, on the basis of your studying the Kalittokai, 
that the sacrifice of a female buffalo (??????? ???? [erumaip pe?ai]) is 
part of some Tamil marriage rituals in the mullai region?

-- Jean-Luc (in M?ssen)

https://twitter.com/JLC1956



On 28/05/2020 10:53, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY wrote:
> I have checked the Kalittokai passage referred to by V.S. Rajam. As I 
> see it, the woman does not marry the female buffalo. Apparently, as part 
> of the preparations for the wedding, the bride's family scatters sand on 
> the floor (of the courtyard of their house) and paints?the walls red. 
> After that they?worship "with a female buffalo" (sacrifice her? Note the 
> red walls, red being the colour of the clothes a convict? is made 
> to?wear on the way to place of execution, and?sand to absorb the blood). 
> All this will be in vain, as the girl is in love with someone else and 
> is not prepared to marry with a man she does not love. This is, at 
> least, the message she wants a friend to pass on to the man she loves in 
> a desperate attempt to?incite him to come and claim her.
> 
> Herman
> 






From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Fri May 29 08:36:13 2020
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Fri, 29 May 20 08:36:13 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf search
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB4396D0695C095139C71CDAACA18E0@DM6PR11MB4396.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR11MB4391D769BA2367BC00F7EA6FA18F0@CH2PR11MB4391.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Many thanks to Jonathan Silk for playing the k?madhenu (as he so often graciously does)!
Once again, this list proves to  be an invaluable resource.
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:47 PM
To: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf search

Dear friends,

On behalf of a colleague whose access to collections is hampered by present circumstances,
I wish to ask if anyone might have an available soft copy of
Kodo Yotsuya's The Critique of Svatantra Reasoning by Candrak?rti and Tsong-kha-pa: A Study of Philosophical Proof According to Two Pr?sa?gika Madhyamaka Traditions of India and Tibet (Franz Steiner Verlag, 1999).

with thanks in advance,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago


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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Fri May 29 08:49:38 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Fri, 29 May 20 10:49:38 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Masica_"Aryan and non-Aryan elements in North Indian agriculture": pdf needed
In-Reply-To: <CAJ5TNX-D9s2kkJ=Y_RQcnuQMnTRdd-ONkOT8YKWyntkRJs5pGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E2B003A-A5E2-4AEA-8A3B-4D13DEC345DA@uclouvain.be>

Dear List,

On behalf of a colleague, I am looking for a pdf copy of the following reference:

> Masica, Colin P. 1979. "Aryan and non-Aryan elements in North Indian agriculture." In Aryan and Non-Aryan in India, edited by Deshpande Madhav & Hook Peter, 55-151. Ann Arbor: Center for South and Southeast Asian Studies, University of Michigan.


Thank you

Christophe

> D?but du message r?exp?di? :
> 
> De: Frederic Pain <frederic.pain2017 at gmail.com>
> Objet: Masica_"X-Language"
> Date: 28 mai 2020 ? 22:43:19 UTC+2
> ?: Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>
> 
> Bonjour Christophe,
> 
> Comment vas-tu en cette p?riode de presque d?confinement ?
> 
> Je me demandais si par le plus grand des hasards tu n'aurais pas cet article de Masica o? il parle de ce fameux "X-Language" qui formerait le substrat pour 30% du vocabulaire cultural non-IE, non-dravidien et non-mounda de certaines langues du nord de l'Inde (j'aimerais y lire de quelles langues du nord de l'Inde il s'agit au juste: les langues de la ceinture dialectale hindi ? le kashmiri ? le pundjabi ?):
> 
> Masica, Colin P. 1979. "Aryan and non-Aryan elements in North Indian agriculture." In Aryan and Non-Aryan in India, edited by Deshpande Madhav & Hook Peter, 55-151. Ann Arbor: Center for South and Southeast Asian Studies, University of Michigan.
> 
> J'ai toujours les livres du Prof. Ferlus pour la biblioth?que ? Vivement qu'elle rouvre ses portes!
> 
> Amicalement,
> Au plaisir de te revoir,
> 
> Fr?d?ric

???????????????????
Christophe Vielle <https://uclouvain.be/en/directories/christophe.vielle>
Louvain-la-Neuve





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From sprajapati22 at yahoo.com  Fri May 29 10:46:44 2020
From: sprajapati22 at yahoo.com (Dr. Sweta Prajapati)
Date: Fri, 29 May 20 10:46:44 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fw: Invitation for Tattvabodha Lecture on 31st May 2020, 5:00 pm
In-Reply-To: <CAG5K+HVjp3_kEBba84OS=pp5CrUwTxo8hhKVuqs-6ioL0JMxzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1195398380.1553207.1590749204996@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Members
Kindly find herewith a web link to register for a talk on Jain Vijnaptipatras: Socio- Cultural portrait of Western India by Sweta Prajapati.?
Sweta Prajapati

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The National Mission for Manuscripts (NMM) cordially invites you to the 'Tattvabodha Lecture' scheduled on 31st May 2020.?The?e-invite is attached herewith.
Topic:?'Jain Vijnaptipatras: Socio-Cultural Portrait of Western India'Speaker : Dr. Sweta Prajapati, Director, Oriental Institute, VadodaraChair: Mrs. Nirupama Kotru, Joint Secretary, Ministry of CultureDate and Time: 31st? May 2020, 5:00 pm to 6:00 pm
Webinar id: 978 2062 8926Password:? 820362?
Registration Link:https://negd.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_PGFGsSmKTHCNdqHcDDMPjA.
After registering, you will receive a con?rmation email containing information about joining the webinar.?

We look forward to your participation and request you to circulate the link in your groups to invite interested scholars.
Sincerely,
Dr. Kanika MondalProject Associate,IGNCARC Vadodara  


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From V.Sasson at marianopolis.edu  Fri May 29 19:50:38 2020
From: V.Sasson at marianopolis.edu (Vanessa Sasson)
Date: Fri, 29 May 20 19:50:38 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] looking for horses
Message-ID: <faa0ef35aaba422184be95d05cbc6157@marianopolis.edu>

Dear colleagues,

I am looking for a book chapter that I am hoping someone might have digitized. It is the following:

Leshnik, Lawrence S. ?The Horse in India.? In Symbols, Subsistence and Social Structure: The Ecology of Man and Animal in South Asia, edited by Franklin C. Southworth. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, South Asia Regional Studies, 1977-78.

I am also wondering if anyone knows of research focused on the horse, Uccai??ravas, that emerged from the churning of the ocean.

With best wishes,

Vanessa R. Sasson
Religious Studies
Marianopolis College



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From sprajapati22 at yahoo.com  Sun May 31 01:02:15 2020
From: sprajapati22 at yahoo.com (Dr. Sweta Prajapati)
Date: Sun, 31 May 20 01:02:15 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <925231191.303766.1590886935215.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <925231191.303766.1590886935215@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear All,
The National Mission for Manuscripts (NMM) cordially invites you to the?'Tattvabodha Lecture'?scheduled on 31st May 2020.?The?e-invite is attached herewith.
Topic:?'Jain Vijnaptipatras: Socio-Cultural Portrait of Western India'Speaker :?Dr. Sweta Prajapati, Director, Oriental Institute, VadodaraChair:?Mrs. Nirupama Kotru, Joint Secretary, Ministry of CultureDate and Time:?31st? May 2020, 5:00 pm to 6:00 pm
Webinar id: 978 2062 8926Password:? 820362?
Registration Link:https://negd.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_PGFGsSmKTHCNdqHcDDMPjA.
After registering, you will receive a con?rmation email containing information about joining the webinar.?

We look forward to your participation and request you to circulate the link in your groups to invite interested scholars.
Sincerely,
Dr.Sweta Prajapati
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From gasyoun at ya.ru  Sun May 31 07:10:13 2020
From: gasyoun at ya.ru (=?utf-8?Q?M=C4=81rcis_Gas=C5=ABns?=)
Date: Sun, 31 May 20 10:10:13 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahabharata & Ramayana Old (Calc.) to New (BORI) Edition Concordance
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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Sun May 31 14:46:30 2020
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Sun, 31 May 20 14:46:30 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Complete Nirnayasagar fonts free download
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Dear all
You can use them freely in your products & projects - print or digital,
commercial or otherwise. However, you can't sell the fonts on their own.


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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Sun May 31 16:29:55 2020
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Sun, 31 May 20 18:29:55 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] might a colleague have an article?
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Dear Friends,
Our library does not have this, but perhaps...
Microsoft Word - MA_body.single_final.docx

Raghavan, V. ?Corrections and Emendations in the Text of the Kath?sarits?gara.?
Annals of Oriental Research, University of Madras (1960): 1?5.
I am sorry, i do not know the volume number, but it might be 16 (I am not
certain).*
If anyone might have a scan...

Very warmest, Jonathan

*However, while Hathi says "This item is *not available online*" it also
does not return anything in a search for Raghavan, which might mean that it
is not vol 16 after all. So even if you don't have a copy, a correct
reference would be much appreciated!

-- 
J. Silk
Leiden University
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
2311 BZ Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk


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