[INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US)
Rosane Rocher
rrocher at sas.upenn.edu
Tue Jul 7 15:42:11 UTC 2020
Regulation #3affects students at institutions that adopt the hybrid
mode, who are already in the US. I think of one of my neighbors, a
member of the youthful squad who have volunteered to run critical
errands for the elderly who are most at risk in this pandemic among some
1000 residents in our building. She is about to enter into the final
year of the doctoral program of Penn’s Wharton School of Business. Penn
has chosen a hybrid mode of instruction, details of which are being
worked out. Her first priority may have to be finding a course that is
taught in person instead of what is most relevant for her dissertation
and/or her career plans, in this last shot at academic education. I
think also of Penn’s International Student and Scholar Services who may
have to deflect from their role of helping vast numbers of international
students navigate an unfamiliar environment, in order to monitor each
international student’s roster against a list of courses taught in
person and attest that each is in compliance with ICE regulations. Such
a level of detail and of intrusion in educational planning would reek of
bureaucratic harassment. I cannot see how kicking my young friend out of
the country might contribute to mitigating Covid contagion and/or
reinvigorating the American economy. She is not an Indologist, but she
is a living representative of the international flow of scholarship that
this list so demonstrably fosters. I guess I will just get her another
box of blueberries, her comfort food.
Rosane
On 7/6/20 6:33 PM, Dan Lusthaus wrote:
> The new ICE regulation is aimed at schools that will be _entirely_
> online with no in-class instruction.
>
> “1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating
> entirely online may */not/* take a full online course load and remain
> in the United States.”
>
> “3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid
> model—that is, a mixture of online and in person classes—will be
> allowed to take more than one class or three credit hours online.
> These schools must certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20,
> “Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,”
> certifying that the program is not entirely online, that the student
> is not taking an entirely online course load this semester, and that
> the student is taking the minimum number of online classes required to
> make normal progress in their degree program. The above exemptions do
> not apply to F-1 students in English language training programs or M-1
> students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted to enroll
> in any online courses.”
>
> A list of what 800+ schools are currently planning for the Fall is
> compiled and avaiable on the Chronicle of Higher Education website.
> https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626?cid=cp275 (click
> the arrow to move to the next page - the list, not the top text,
> changes). Schools that plan to go completely online include the Cal
> State schools, but most schools seem to be considering a hybrid
> semester or quarter.
>
> Dan
>
>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>
>> I tend to believe that the intent is to force universities to re-open
>> in spite of the continuing Covid crisis, which Trump claims has been
>> palliated.
>>
>> Rosane
>>
>> On 7/6/20 6:05 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>> From what I have seen, I assume this is Trumpian, and related to the
>>> restrictions to H1B visas (which most foreign academics come in on):
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html
>>>
>>> There was debate at one point that non-commercial organisations such
>>> as universities would be excluded from this ban; but they are now in
>>> it, as far as I know.
>>>
>>> A step leading up to those restrictions was that the government got
>>> rid of expedited processing for H1Bs (for a fee, a reply within a
>>> period of a few weeks was guaranteed - which often was the only way
>>> to get a foreign academic into the US in time for them to start
>>> their work on time/at the beginning of the semester).
>>>
>>> Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions.
>>>
>>> --Antonia
>>>
>>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY
>>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a sense
>>> of whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more Trumpian BS?
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>>> Professor of Religion & Asian Studies
>>> Elizabethtown College
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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>>>
>>> On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY
>>> <indology at list.indology.info
>>> <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is insane.
>>>
>>> Rosane Rocher
>>>
>>> On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>>> I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching
>>>> in the US this autumn.
>>>>
>>>> The US government has made changes to its overseas student
>>>> visa rules. Overseas students may now no longer remain in
>>>> the US if their universities operate entirely online. They
>>>> either must leave the country or transfer to a school with
>>>> in-person instruction.
>>>> https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Patricia
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Patricia Sauthoff
>>>> (she/her/they/them)
>>>> Postdoctoral Fellow
>>>> AyurYog.org <http://ayuryog.org/>
>>>> Department of History and Classics
>>>> University of Alberta
>>>> Edmonton, Canada
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