From dominik at haas.asia Wed Jul 1 08:20:17 2020 From: dominik at haas.asia (Dominik Haas) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 20 10:20:17 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] List of FOASAS publishers and journals | Update In-Reply-To: <6db53d4f-6bef-db2b-8687-6d9f74cc3c1a@univie.ac.at> Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I am pleased to give you an update on the Initiative for Fair Open Access Publishing in South Asian Studies . As announced we have compiled *a list of FOASAS publishers, journals and book series*. It is now online: foasas.org/#journals We would like to thank all colleagues who have contributed to this list! We'll do our best to keep it up-to-date, so if you have any suggestions please don't hesitate to write to contact at foasas.org .* * Best regards, Dominik A. Haas Vitus Angermeier __________________ *Dominik A. Haas, BA MA* PhD Candidate, University of Vienna dominik at haas.asia ORCID 0000-0002-8505-6112 www.foasas.org contact at foasas.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.hartzell at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 17:03:03 2020 From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 20 19:03:03 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Searching archive.org: Canada/Sanskrit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Dominik Just following up (finally) on this. Do you have Carl Malamud's email? Cheers James On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:27 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I've been adding metadata for some years, now, in a slow and not very > structured manner. > > What I do is use the "Reviews" section, and use a standard header > "bibliographical information" and give a zero star rating (for no good > reason). Like this one or this > one . Nowadays I > have also taken to using the standard phrase "Worldcat permalink: " > followed by the permalink URL from the corresponding Worldcat entry. Like this > one . > > The Reviews section does get searched, when one does a metadata search. > > If you are going to start doing metadata, perhaps you should coordinate > with Carl Malamud , who has > an alert that pops up for him when I personally add metadata. > (Incidentally, it is Carl to whom we owe the enormous benefit of having the > Digital Library of India available within Archive.org.) > > Best, > Dominik > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 11:00 AM James Hartzell >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Just picking up on Jonathan Silk's notion of crowdsourcing corrections >>> to archive.org metadata: >>> >>> It would be great if there were a straightforward way to correct >>> inaccuracies in the Titles and authors of items in archive.org. That >>> way, each one of us, when we're searching for an item, and eventually find >>> it (often by going through all the items that come up from the search until >>> we finally find the correct one), we could simply correct the errors at >>> that time. This wouldn't take much extra time, >>> >>> I can't create such a fix myself, but will happily correct title and >>> author errors going forward if someone can show the way. >>> >>> Cheers >>> James >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 7:31 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Including, pleasingly, Ferdinand de Saussure's PhD on the genitive >>>> absolute in Sanskrit: >>>> >>>> - https://archive.org/details/delemploidugni00sausuoft >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 14:24, Dominik Wujastyk >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just filling an idle moment. >>>>> >>>>> Canadian libraries have scanned over 600,000 books into Archive.org. >>>>> Canadian scanning is usually of exceptionally high quality. Searching >>>>> those for "Sanskrit" produces 563 hits. Sorted by publication date, we get >>>>> this: >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> https://archive.org/details/toronto?and%5B%5D=sanskrit&sin=&sort=date >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >>>>> >>>>> , >>>>> >>>>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >>>>> , >>>>> >>>>> Department of History and Classics >>>>> >>>>> , >>>>> University of Alberta, Canada >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> South Asia at the U of A: >>>>> >>>>> sas.ualberta.ca >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> James Hartzell, PhD (2x) >>> Donostia-San Sebati?n, Spain >>> Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC), The University of Trento, Italy >>> Center for Buddhist Studies, Columbia University, USA >>> >>> >> >> -- >> James Hartzell, PhD (2x) >> Donostia-San Sebati?n, Spain >> Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC), The University of Trento, Italy >> Center for Buddhist Studies, Columbia University, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- James Hartzell, PhD (2x) Donostia-San Sebati?n, Spain Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC), The University of Trento, Italy Center for Buddhist Studies, Columbia University, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In case any member has > the PDF file, please mail me. > > Looking forward to hearing from you soon. > > > Sincerely > Rajeev Jain > > > --------------------------- > "Ananda" Villa # 7, > 10 A, Rajniwas Marg > Civil Lines > Delhi - 110 054 (India) > ----------------------------- > Your enemy is your greatest teacher ... > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If Manu, Rajiv, or anyone else who might have it could resend, I know I and imagine others too would be very appreciative. Brad Clough Penn State University On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 7:05 AM Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleague, > > Here they are (2 vols.): > https://send.firefox.com/download/12e6ea33bb0f73f3/#9fj93UZCG8kLC84l8-5-EA > > With very best wishes. > > Emmanuel FRANCIS > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud > (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Project > Online CV HAL > DHARMA Project > (ERC synergy grant 2018) > TST Project (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG) > Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture > > > > Le jeu. 2 juil. 2020 ? 12:41, R. P. Jain via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > >> >> >> Dear Indology Members >> Greetings !! >> >> I need the complete PDF of the title - *Study in the Upapurana / RC >> Hazra published by Calcutta : Sanskrit College, 1963*. In case any >> member has the PDF file, please mail me. >> >> Looking forward to hearing from you soon. >> >> >> Sincerely >> Rajeev Jain >> >> >> --------------------------- >> "Ananda" Villa # 7, >> 10 A, Rajniwas Marg >> Civil Lines >> Delhi - 110 054 (India) >> ----------------------------- >> Your enemy is your greatest teacher ... >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If Manu, Rajiv, or anyone else who might > have it could resend, I know I and imagine others too would be very > appreciative. > > Brad Clough > Penn State University > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 7:05 AM Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > Dear colleague, > > > > Here they are (2 vols.): > > https://send.firefox.com/download/12e6ea33bb0f73f3/#9fj93UZCG8kLC84l8-5-EA > > > > With very best wishes. > > > > Emmanuel FRANCIS > > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud > > (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Project > > Online CV HAL > > DHARMA Project > > (ERC synergy grant 2018) > > TST Project (FRAL 2018, ANR & DFG) > > Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India > > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture > > > > > > > > Le jeu. 2 juil. 2020 ? 12:41, R. P. Jain via INDOLOGY < > > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > > > >> > >> > >> Dear Indology Members > >> Greetings !! > >> > >> I need the complete PDF of the title - *Study in the Upapurana / RC > >> Hazra published by Calcutta : Sanskrit College, 1963*. In case any > >> member has the PDF file, please mail me. > >> > >> Looking forward to hearing from you soon. > >> > >> > >> Sincerely > >> Rajeev Jain > >> > >> > >> --------------------------- > >> "Ananda" Villa # 7, > >> 10 A, Rajniwas Marg > >> Civil Lines > >> Delhi - 110 054 (India) > >> ----------------------------- > >> Your enemy is your greatest teacher ... > >> _______________________________________________ > >> INDOLOGY mailing list > >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > >> committee) > >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > >> unsubscribe) > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > > unsubscribe) > > From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 22:57:06 2020 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 04:27:06 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Sa=E1=B9=83matu?= In-Reply-To: <58b70a0d-fec1-42a8-695d-94b1692cfec8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Halanta words changing into ajanta words during borrowing is typically a feature of South Indian languages. That ending vowel being u is typically a Telugu feature. Samvat is pronounced as close to Samvatu with the lat vowel being nearlly u in Telugu and some other south Indian languages. But Samvatu changing into Sammati is uncommon in educated pronunciation. But possible in the case of a scribe being rustic. Possible in a Telugu inscription or manuscript. On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 6:38 PM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I just encountered the word *sa?matu *at the end of a (Sanskrit > Devanagari) manuscript where I would have expected *sa?vat*. I haven't > seen it before and wonder if colleagues have -- perhaps it is a NIA form? > > Best wishes, > Martin Gansten > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 23:00:05 2020 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 04:30:05 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Sa=E1=B9=83matu?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction: But Samvatu changing into Sammatu not But Samvatu changing into Sammati On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 4:27 AM Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > Halanta words changing into ajanta words during borrowing is typically a > feature of South Indian languages. That ending vowel being u is typically a > Telugu feature. > > Samvat is pronounced as close to Samvatu with the lat vowel being nearlly > u in Telugu and some other south Indian languages. > > But Samvatu changing into Sammati is uncommon in educated pronunciation. > But possible in the case of a scribe being rustic. > > Possible in a Telugu inscription or manuscript. > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 6:38 PM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> I just encountered the word *sa?matu *at the end of a (Sanskrit >> Devanagari) manuscript where I would have expected *sa?vat*. I haven't >> seen it before and wonder if colleagues have -- perhaps it is a NIA form? >> >> Best wishes, >> Martin Gansten >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.hartzell at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 04:04:03 2020 From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 06:04:03 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Oxford Mansucripts Question Message-ID: Hi In the Bothlink-Roth electronic edition (Koln Sanskrit Lexicons), under the word trailokya 3) n. mystische Bez. eines best. Theils des K?rpers Verz. D. Oxf. H. 236,a, No. 567. Might anyone know a) Exactly which list of Oxford Manuscripts this refers to? (this particular abbreviation appears to be missing from the explanations of the Abbreviations (https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/csldev/csldoc/build/dictionaries/prefaces/pwgpref/pwgpref11.html) b) What text is 236A, No. 567? c) Whether there is a digital edition of 236A, No. 567? Cheers James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walter.slaje at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 05:12:33 2020 From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 07:12:33 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Oxford Mansucripts Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This should be: Theodor Aufrecht, Catalogi Codicum Manuscriptorum Bibliothecae Bodleianae Pars octava Codices Sanscriticos complectens, Oxford 1864. Cp. the list of abbreviations in the Smaller Petrograd Dictionary (pw), p. XIV, where it says: "Verz. d. Oxf. H. = Aufrecht, Verzeichniss der Oxforder Handschriften" Regards, WS Am Fr., 3. Juli 2020 um 06:04 Uhr schrieb James Hartzell via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > Hi > > In the Bothlink-Roth electronic edition (Koln Sanskrit Lexicons), under > the word > trailokya > 3) n. mystische Bez. *eines best. Theils des K?rpers* Verz. D. Oxf. H. > 236,a, No. 567. > > Might anyone know > a) Exactly which list of Oxford Manuscripts this refers to? (this > particular abbreviation appears to be missing from the explanations of the > Abbreviations ( > https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/csldev/csldoc/build/dictionaries/prefaces/pwgpref/pwgpref11.html > ) > b) What text is 236A, No. 567? > c) Whether there is a digital edition of 236A, No. 567? > > Cheers > James > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aparpola at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 05:34:12 2020 From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 08:34:12 +0300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Oxford Mansucripts Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6B785854-859F-458F-B37C-426F391E8DF8@gmail.com> According to the list of abbreviations in the first volume of B?htlingk?s shorter Sanskrit dictionary, this is Aufrecht?s catalogue, i.e. Aufrecht, Theodor, 1859-1864. Catalogus codicum manuscriptorum sanscriticorum postvedicorum quotquot in Bibliotheca Bodleiana adservantur, 1-2. (Catalogi codicum manuscriptorum Bibliothecae Bodleianae, pars 8.) Oxonii: Typographia academica. 4:o, 1-202; viii, 203-575 pp. Best wishes, Asko > On 3 Jul 2020, at 7.04, James Hartzell via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Hi > > In the Bothlink-Roth electronic edition (Koln Sanskrit Lexicons), under the word > trailokya > 3) n. mystische Bez. eines best. Theils des K?rpers Verz. D. Oxf. H. 236,a, No. 567. > > Might anyone know > a) Exactly which list of Oxford Manuscripts this refers to? (this particular abbreviation appears to be missing from the explanations of the Abbreviations (https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/csldev/csldoc/build/dictionaries/prefaces/pwgpref/pwgpref11.html ) > b) What text is 236A, No. 567? > c) Whether there is a digital edition of 236A, No. 567? > > Cheers > James > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Catalogi codicum manuscriptorum Bibliothecae Bodleianae, pars 8.) > Oxonii: Typographia academica. 4:o, 1-202; viii, 203-575 pp. > > Best wishes, Asko > > On 3 Jul 2020, at 7.04, James Hartzell via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Hi > > In the Bothlink-Roth electronic edition (Koln Sanskrit Lexicons), under > the word > trailokya > 3) n. mystische Bez. *eines best. Theils des K?rpers* Verz. D. Oxf. H. > 236,a, No. 567. > > Might anyone know > a) Exactly which list of Oxford Manuscripts this refers to? (this > particular abbreviation appears to be missing from the explanations of the > Abbreviations ( > https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/csldev/csldoc/build/dictionaries/prefaces/pwgpref/pwgpref11.html > ) > b) What text is 236A, No. 567? > c) Whether there is a digital edition of 236A, No. 567? > > Cheers > James > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > -- James Hartzell, PhD (2x) Donostia-San Sebati?n, Spain Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC), The University of Trento, Italy Center for Buddhist Studies, Columbia University, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Martin Den 2020-07-03 kl. 00:57, skrev Nagaraj Paturi: > Halanta words changing into ajanta words during borrowing is typically > a feature of South Indian languages. That ending vowel being u is > typically a Telugu feature. > > Samvat is pronounced as close to Samvatu with the lat vowel being > nearlly u in Telugu and some other south Indian languages. > > But Samvatu changing into Sammati is uncommon in educated > pronunciation. But possible in the case of a scribe being rustic. > > Possible in a Telugu inscription or manuscript. > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 6:38 PM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY > > wrote: > > I just encountered the word /sa?matu /at the end of a (Sanskrit > Devanagari) manuscript where I would have expected /sa?vat/. I > haven't seen it before and wonder if colleagues have -- perhaps it > is a NIA form? > > Best wishes, > Martin Gansten > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info > (messages to the list's > managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(for > ????) by mistake. > > A web search for ????? turns up a very limited number of hits, but the > first one is similar in context to 'my' manuscript: > ??? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ????? ? 1860 ? ???? ??? ?? > ?????? ???? ??? ???? ? > This is from a book entitled ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? (?????? ????), so > perhaps we are looking at a northwestern rather than a southern phenomenon? > > Martin > > > Den 2020-07-03 kl. 00:57, skrev Nagaraj Paturi: > > Halanta words changing into ajanta words during borrowing is typically a > feature of South Indian languages. That ending vowel being u is typically a > Telugu feature. > > Samvat is pronounced as close to Samvatu with the lat vowel being nearlly > u in Telugu and some other south Indian languages. > > But Samvatu changing into Sammati is uncommon in educated pronunciation. > But possible in the case of a scribe being rustic. > > Possible in a Telugu inscription or manuscript. > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 6:38 PM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> I just encountered the word *sa?matu *at the end of a (Sanskrit >> Devanagari) manuscript where I would have expected *sa?vat*. I haven't >> seen it before and wonder if colleagues have -- perhaps it is a NIA form? >> >> Best wishes, >> Martin Gansten >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The manuscript in question is in Devanagari > and belongs, according to the label, to the Lal Chand library at > DAV College, Chandigarh, so I doubt if the scribe was a South > Indian. I may add that it is a few centuries old, dated 1644 CE, > though the label says ?? ???? (for ????) by mistake. > > A web search for ????? turns up a very limited number of hits, but > the first one is similar in context to 'my' manuscript: > ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ????? ? 1860 ? ???? ??? > ?? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ? > This is from a book entitled ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? (?????? > ????), so perhaps we are looking at a northwestern rather than a > southern phenomenon? > > Martin > > > Den 2020-07-03 kl. 00:57, skrev Nagaraj Paturi: >> Halanta words changing into ajanta words during borrowing is >> typically a feature of South Indian languages. That ending vowel >> being u is typically a Telugu feature. >> >> Samvat is pronounced as close to Samvatu with the lat vowel being >> nearlly u in Telugu and some other south Indian languages. >> >> But Samvatu changing into Sammati is uncommon in educated >> pronunciation. But possible in the case of a scribe being rustic. >> >> Possible in a Telugu inscription or manuscript. >> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 6:38 PM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY >> > > wrote: >> >> I just encountered the word /sa?matu /at the end of a >> (Sanskrit Devanagari) manuscript where I would have expected >> /sa?vat/. I haven't seen it before and wonder if colleagues >> have -- perhaps it is a NIA form? >> >> Best wishes, >> Martin Gansten >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info >> (messages to the >> list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >> options or unsubscribe) >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. > Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of??Liberal Education, > Hyderabad, Telangana,?INDIA. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbalogh at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 07:57:24 2020 From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 09:57:24 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Sa=E1=B9=83matu?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Martin, have you considered the possibility that the sign you read as u at the end is A) in fact a vir?ma; or B) a scribal error for what was meant to be a vir?ma? Given that it is a north Indian manuscript, a Telugu-ish ending seems unlikely as you say. I am sure I have seen "sa?vat" written (on a copper plate in Nagari) with a vir?ma that looked very much like an u. I have no particular recollection of ever seeing sa?mat instead of sa?vat, but it sa?mat would not be a strange development. Daniel On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 09:51, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Yes, I drew the same conclusion. I would still be interested to know > whether other have seen the particular form/error *sa?matu*, though, and > whether it does suggest a particular regional origin. > > Martin > > > Den 2020-07-03 kl. 09:43, skrev Nagaraj Paturi: > > It is possible that > > ??? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ????? ? 1860 ? > > is the regionalization plus scribal errors for > > ??? ???? ????????? ????????????? ???????? ? ??????? 1860 ? > > whatever is the region of the scribe or the scribe of the original from > where this scribe is copying. > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:33 PM Martin Gansten > wrote: > >> Thank you, Nagaraj. The manuscript in question is in Devanagari and >> belongs, according to the label, to the Lal Chand library at DAV College, >> Chandigarh, so I doubt if the scribe was a South Indian. I may add that it >> is a few centuries old, dated 1644 CE, though the label says ?? ???? (for >> ????) by mistake. >> >> A web search for ????? turns up a very limited number of hits, but the >> first one is similar in context to 'my' manuscript: >> ??? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ????? ? 1860 ? ???? ??? ?? >> ?????? ???? ??? ???? ? >> This is from a book entitled ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? (?????? ????), so >> perhaps we are looking at a northwestern rather than a southern phenomenon? >> >> Martin >> >> >> Den 2020-07-03 kl. 00:57, skrev Nagaraj Paturi: >> >> Halanta words changing into ajanta words during borrowing is typically a >> feature of South Indian languages. That ending vowel being u is typically a >> Telugu feature. >> >> Samvat is pronounced as close to Samvatu with the lat vowel being nearlly >> u in Telugu and some other south Indian languages. >> >> But Samvatu changing into Sammati is uncommon in educated pronunciation. >> But possible in the case of a scribe being rustic. >> >> Possible in a Telugu inscription or manuscript. >> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 6:38 PM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> I just encountered the word *sa?matu *at the end of a (Sanskrit >>> Devanagari) manuscript where I would have expected *sa?vat*. I haven't >>> seen it before and wonder if colleagues have -- perhaps it is a NIA form? >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Martin Gansten >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. > Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure I > have seen "sa?vat" written (on a copper plate in Nagari) with a vir?ma > that looked very much like an u. I have no particular recollection of > ever seeing sa?mat instead of sa?vat, but it sa?mat would not be a > strange development. > Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sa?matu.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 309540 bytes Desc: not available URL: From danbalogh at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 08:48:13 2020 From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 10:48:13 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Sa=E1=B9=83matu?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Martin, indeed, this looks just like the definite u-s elsewhere on the page. Daniel On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 10:27, Martin Gansten wrote: > Dear Daniel, > > I think it is unquestionably an *u* -- I'll try attaching the relevant > page to this message. Whether it is a scribal error is, of course, > difficult to say, but it doesn't look anything like a vir?ma, and I haven't > seen other such mistakes in this particular manuscript (at least not yet). > I'm rather inclined at present to regard it as a kind of metathesis. > > Martin > > > Den 2020-07-03 kl. 09:57, skrev D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY: > > Dear Martin, have you considered the possibility that the sign you read as > u at the end is A) in fact a vir?ma; or B) a scribal error for what was > meant to be a vir?ma? Given that it is a north Indian manuscript, a > Telugu-ish ending seems unlikely as you say. I am sure I have seen "sa?vat" > written (on a copper plate in Nagari) with a vir?ma that looked very much > like an u. I have no particular recollection of ever seeing sa?mat instead > of sa?vat, but it sa?mat would not be a strange development. > Daniel > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1830687552.552660.1593772155238@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20200703123758.051edaf76f9e4b6275614c78@ff.cuni.cz> Julius Pokorny?s Indogermanisches etymologisches W?rterbuch https://indo-european.info/pokorny-etymological-dictionary/index.htm On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY wrote: > Is there an online Indo-European Etymological Dictionary? > Thanks, > Dean From pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de Fri Jul 3 10:38:51 2020 From: pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de (Peter Wyzlic) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 12:38:51 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Online Indo-European Etymological Dictionary? In-Reply-To: <1830687552.552660.1593772155238@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1f545447-ddef-d017-40cd-8eced0e839dc@uni-bonn.de> Am 03.07.2020 um 12:29 schrieb Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY: > Is there an online Indo-European Etymological Dictionary? > > Thanks, > There is, e.g., an online version of Pokorny's dictionary: URL: Title of the print version: Indogermanisches etymologisches W?rterbuch / by Julius Pokorny (Bern et al., 1959-1969, in two volumes, the last edition known to me is the 4th edition, 2002). Hope it helps Peter Wyzlic -- Universit?t Bonn Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften Bibliothek Br?hler Str. 7 D-53119 Bonn Tel.: 0228/73-62436 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wiese at wifa.uni-leipzig.de Fri Jul 3 11:17:45 2020 From: wiese at wifa.uni-leipzig.de (Wiese) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 13:17:45 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Online Indo-European Etymological Dictionary? In-Reply-To: <20200703123758.051edaf76f9e4b6275614c78@ff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <4346bf62-b5ed-d05f-aa25-266d9e351f69@wifa.uni-leipzig.de> Dear list members, I have tried to look at Sanskrit from the Indo-European perspective (part E is a 150 page etymological dictionary) in an as-yet unpublished manuscript that you can download from my webpage https://www.wifa.uni-leipzig.de/itvwl/mikro/leute-team/prof-dr-harald-wiese.html I would be very happy to receive comments, pointers to mistakes or unfelicities, and the like. Of course, many of us are waiting for Sascha Lubotsky's "Etymological Dictionary of Proto-Indo-Iranian". All the best from the Junggrammatiker capital Leipzig Harald Wiese Am 03-07-2020 um 12:37 schrieb Lubom?r Ondra?ka via INDOLOGY: > Julius Pokorny?s Indogermanisches etymologisches W?rterbuch > https://indo-european.info/pokorny-etymological-dictionary/index.htm > > > On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:29:15 +0000 (UTC) > Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY wrote: > >> Is there an online Indo-European Etymological Dictionary? >> Thanks, >> Dean > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- snail mail: Prof. Dr. Harald Wiese Lehrstuhl f?r Mikro?konomik Universit?t Leipzig Postfach 920 04009 Leipzig e-mail: wiese at wifa.uni-leipzig.de tel: 49 341 9733771 live: Grimmaische Str. 12 (Eingang bei der 14), 04109 Leipzig, 2. Stock, Zimmer I 233 Sekretariat: Frau Kathleen Noack e-mail: noack at wifa.uni-leipzig.de tel: 49 341 9733770 live: Grimmaische Str. 12 (Eingang bei der 14), 04109 Leipzig, 2. Stock, Zimmer I 219 WWW: Lehrstuhl (department): http://www.uni-leipzig.de/~micro/ Studentenaustausch (student exchange): http://www.wifa.uni-leipzig.de/erasmus/ From ericmgurevitch at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 13:04:29 2020 From: ericmgurevitch at gmail.com (Eric Gurevitch) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 08:04:29 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Online Indo-European Etymological Dictionary? In-Reply-To: <20200703123758.051edaf76f9e4b6275614c78@ff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: Additionally, a digital version of RL Turner?s *Comparative Dictionary of the Indo-Aryan Languages* is hosted on UChicago?s Digital Dictionaries of South Asia website: https://dsalsrv04.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/soas/ All the best, Eric On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 5:38 AM Lubom?r Ondra?ka via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Julius Pokorny?s Indogermanisches etymologisches W?rterbuch > https://indo-european.info/pokorny-etymological-dictionary/index.htm > > > On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:29:15 +0000 (UTC) > Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > Is there an online Indo-European Etymological Dictionary? > > Thanks, > > Dean > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Eric Gurevitch PhD Candidate, South Asian Languages and Civilizations and Committee on Conceptual and Historical Studies of Science University of Chicago gurevitch at uchicago.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From the context, it seems likely that /vidum?la/ should mean 'retrograde', and indeed, some later text witnesses 'correct' the phrase to /kila vakrag?m?/; but I am fairly sure that the lectio difficilior is correct here. However, I have been unable to find /vidum?la/ (or /dum?la/,? supposing the /vi- /to be a prefix) in any lexicon, and it does not seem to be an Arabic term. This makes me wonder if it could be a borrowing from a North Indian vernacular. All suggestions would be gratefully received. Best wishes, Martin Gansten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew.scarborough at cantab.net Fri Jul 3 15:59:34 2020 From: matthew.scarborough at cantab.net (Matthew Scarborough) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 20 15:59:34 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Online Indo-European Etymological Dictionary? In-Reply-To: <1f545447-ddef-d017-40cd-8eced0e839dc@uni-bonn.de> Message-ID: With respect, Pokorny's dictionary is notoriously out of date and should be used nowadays with only with extreme caution. The current standard references are unfortunately not online in digital form, although .pdfs of them exist online if you know - not wanting to openly advocate mass book piracy - what I will here euphemistically call the right places to look. For verbs and verbal stems: * LIV: Rix, Helmut, Martin Joachim K?mmel, Thomas Zehnder, Reiner Lipp & Brigette Schirmer. 2001. _Lexikon der indogermanischen Verben: Die Wurzeln und ihre Prim?rstammbildungen (2e Aufl.)._ Wiesbaden: Reichert Verlag. A selection of roots that form nominal stems (not fully complete, but very comprehensive of the roots that it does cover): * NIL: Wodtko, Dagmar, Britta Irslinger & Carolin Schneider. 2008. _Nomina im Indogermanischen Lexikon_. Heidelberg: Winter Verlag. For pronouns and particles: * LIPP: Dunkel, George. 2014. _Lexikon der indogermanischen Partikeln und Pronominalst?mme. Band 1: Einleitung, Terminologie, Lautgesetze, Adverbialendungen, Nominalsuffixe, Anh?nge und Indices. Band 2: Lexikon_. Heidelberg: Universit?tsverlag Winter. Of course, as this is the Indology list, you may already know of Mayrhofer's dictionaries specifically for Vedic and Sanskrit (there are scans of these currently on archive.org, cf.https://archive.org/search.php?query=mayrhofer). * Mayrhofer, Manfred. 1992-2001. _Etymologisches W?rterbuch des Altindoarischen (3 vols.)_ Heidelberg: Carl Winter Universit?tsverlag. * Mayrhofer, Manfred. 1956-1980. _Kurzgefa?tes etymologisches W?rterbuch des Altindischen._ Heidelberg: Carl Winter Universit?tsverlag. Finally, if you have institutional access, the dictionaries in Brill's Indo-European Etymological Dictionaries Series have online versions, although currently the series is currently limited to individual languages and branches and does not allow searching entries by root etymon. https://dictionaries.brillonline.com/iedo For Middle and Modern Indo-Aryan to Sanskrit, I would echo Eric's previous suggestion of the digital version of Turner's _Comparative Dictionary of the Indo-Aryan Languages_ on UChicago's digital dictionaries of South Asia website. https://dsalsrv04.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/soas/ I hesitate to add to all of this that over the last year or two I've been writing a series of blog posts on my own website aimed at general audiences outlining the main Indo-European etymological resources currently available, although I haven't gotten to the Indo-Aryan and Iranic language sub-families yet. https://consultingphilologist.wordpress.com/indo-european-etymological-dictionaries/. The TL;DR version of the Indo-Aryan one would be, use the aforementioned dictionaries of Mayrhofer and Turner in conjunction with the most up-to-date root dictionaries of the LIV, NIL, and LIPP. Apologies for the length of this email and only being tangentially helpful with the requested 'online' Indo-European etymological dictionaries, but I felt I would be remiss to not point these resources out since while Pokorny's dictionary is readily available in many different online versions, it is no longer a reliable reference work. If you need help accessing the other more recent IE root dictionaries I've mentioned here, please do not hesitate to contact me off list. All very best wishes, Matthew --- Dr M. J. C. Scarborough Research Associate in Indo-European Comparative Linguistics DLCE, Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History Contract Lecturer (Classics) Department of the Humanities, MacEwan University ?? ??????? ?????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????. - Socrates in Pl. Phae. 244a On 2020-07-03 10:38, Peter Wyzlic via INDOLOGY wrote: > Am 03.07.2020 um 12:29 schrieb Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY: > >> Is there an online Indo-European Etymological Dictionary? >> >> Thanks, > > There is, e.g., an online version of Pokorny's dictionary: > URL: > > Title of the print version: Indogermanisches etymologisches W?rterbuch / by Julius Pokorny (Bern et al., 1959-1969, in two volumes, the last edition known to me is the 4th edition, 2002). > > Hope it helps > Peter Wyzlic > > -- > > Universit?t Bonn > Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften > Bibliothek > Br?hler Str. 7 > D-53119 Bonn > Tel.: 0228/73-62436 > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any pointers to papers/books published on this topic or Sanskrit works are highly appreciated. Best, Oliver --- Oliver Hellwig, IVS Z?rich From wujastyk at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 21:48:18 2020 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 20 15:48:18 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Forwarded CFP for a new MLBD Research and Resource Foundation journal In-Reply-To: <005c01d65203$d79e65b0$86db3110$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Call for papers for the new *Journal of Vedic Renaissance.* Kindly direct all queries to Mr Rajendra Jain . ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 07:05 [...] Our foundation is *MLBD Research* *&* *Resource Foundation* www.mlbdfoundation.org! Under the foundation we have done smaller # of activities in the past, but we plan to undertake many other activities in the future. Due to lockdown we are rather moving slow! In addition, we have also created infrastructure *&* resource for our *first* E-Journal, *MLBD Journal of Vedic Renaissance* you can view under the foundation, but its progress has been rather slow! I would very much like all scholars listed under your indology-owner at list.indology.info mailer to benefit from this initiative by contributing their articles *&* papers! I will greatly appreciate it if you could circulate this information in this list. Looking forward to hearing from you. Warmest Personal Regards RP Jain MOTILAL BANARSIDASS PUBLISHING HOUSE A-44, Naraina Industrial Area, Phase-I New Delhi-110028 Tel : (011) 25793423; 25792734; 47511592 Emal : mlbd at mlbd.in Web: www.mlbd.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With best wishes Martin Straube -- Martin Straube Research Fellow in Pali Lexicography Pali Text Society Philipps-Universit?t Marburg Indologie und Tibetologie Deutschhausstrasse 12 35032 Marburg Germany From wujastyk at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 02:52:51 2020 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 20 20:52:51 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] request article In-Reply-To: <20200705000044.Horde.Ceu0dS8LlfdmXQ4Sp-P2ZKv@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: - https://www.dropbox.com/s/0wz9q3epdtpmd4c/1981%20Curare%20developments%20in%20traditional%20Indian%20nosology.pdf?dl=0 On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 16:01, Martin Straube via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I'm looking for G. Jan Meulenbeld, Developments in traditional Indian > nosology: the emergence of new diseases in post-classical times, in: > Curare 4,4 (1981), pp. 211-216; also published in: Hans Jochem > Diesfeld (ed.), Health research in developing countries, Frankfurt am > Main-Bern 1982 (Medizin in Entwicklungsl?ndern 11), pp. 117-128. > > I would be grateful if someone on the list can help me with a pdf. > > With best wishes > Martin Straube > > -- > Martin Straube > Research Fellow in Pali Lexicography > Pali Text Society > > Philipps-Universit?t Marburg > Indologie und Tibetologie > Deutschhausstrasse 12 > 35032 Marburg > Germany > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks > in advance, and much appreciated. > > Alf Hiltebeitel > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- J. 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They either must leave the country or transfer to a school with in-person instruction. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during Best wishes, Patricia -- Patricia Sauthoff (she/her/they/them) Postdoctoral Fellow AyurYog.org Department of History and Classics University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu Mon Jul 6 21:25:25 2020 From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rosane Rocher) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 20 17:25:25 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6cfa8820-2f18-3e28-0144-56b18a6c5e34@sas.upenn.edu> This is insane. Rosane Rocher On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: > I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching in the US > this autumn. > > The US government has made changes to its overseas student visa rules. > Overseas students may now no longer remain in the US if their > universities operate entirely online. They either must leave the > country or transfer to a school with in-person instruction. > https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during > > Best wishes, > > Patricia > > -- > Patricia Sauthoff > (she/her/they/them) > Postdoctoral Fellow > AyurYog.org > Department of History and Classics > University of Alberta > Edmonton, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Overseas students may now no longer remain in the US if their universities operate entirely online. 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Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions. --Antonia On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a sense of > whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more Trumpian BS? > > All the best, > Jeff > > Dr. Jeffery D. Long > Professor of Religion & Asian Studies > Elizabethtown College > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > This is insane. > > Rosane Rocher > On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: > > I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching in the US this > autumn. > > The US government has made changes to its overseas student visa rules. > Overseas students may now no longer remain in the US if their universities > operate entirely online. They either must leave the country or transfer to > a school with in-person instruction. > https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during > > Best wishes, > > Patricia > > -- > Patricia Sauthoff > (she/her/they/them) > Postdoctoral Fellow > AyurYog.org > Department of History and Classics > University of Alberta > Edmonton, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Dr Antonia Ruppel cambridge-sanskrit.org allthingssanskrit.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rosane On 7/6/20 6:05 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: > From what I have seen, I assume this is Trumpian, and related to the > restrictions to H1B visas (which most foreign academics come in on): > > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html > > There was debate at one point that non-commercial organisations such > as universities would be excluded from this ban; but they are now in > it, as far as I know. > > A step leading up to those restrictions was that the government got > rid of expedited processing for H1Bs (for a fee, a reply within a > period of a few weeks was guaranteed - which often was the only way to > get a foreign academic into the US in time for them to start their > work on time/at the beginning of the semester). > > Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions. > > --Antonia > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY > > wrote: > > Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a sense > of whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more Trumpian BS? > > All the best, > Jeff > > Dr. Jeffery D. Long > Professor of Religion & Asian Studies > Elizabethtown College > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY > > > wrote: > > This is insane. > > Rosane Rocher > > On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: >> I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching in >> the US this autumn. >> >> The US government has made changes to its overseas student >> visa rules. Overseas students may now no longer remain in the >> US if their universities operate entirely online. They either >> must leave the country or transfer to a school with in-person >> instruction. >> https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Patricia >> >> -- >> Patricia Sauthoff >> (she/her/they/them) >> Postdoctoral Fellow >> AyurYog.org >> Department of History and Classics >> University of Alberta >> Edmonton, Canada >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info > (messages to the > list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info > (messages to the list's > managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) > > > > -- > Dr Antonia Ruppel > cambridge-sanskrit.org > allthingssanskrit.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prajnapti at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 22:33:08 2020 From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 20 18:33:08 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US) In-Reply-To: <8eae3ce2-0266-5d03-262c-9f59bf1d3b7d@sas.upenn.edu> Message-ID: The new ICE regulation is aimed at schools that will be entirely online with no in-class instruction. ?1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating entirely online may not take a full online course load and remain in the United States.? ?3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid model?that is, a mixture of online and in person classes?will be allowed to take more than one class or three credit hours online. These schools must certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, ?Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,? certifying that the program is not entirely online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online classes required to make normal progress in their degree program. The above exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in English language training programs or M-1 students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted to enroll in any online courses.? A list of what 800+ schools are currently planning for the Fall is compiled and avaiable on the Chronicle of Higher Education website. https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626?cid=cp275 (click the arrow to move to the next page - the list, not the top text, changes). Schools that plan to go completely online include the Cal State schools, but most schools seem to be considering a hybrid semester or quarter. Dan > On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY wrote: > > I tend to believe that the intent is to force universities to re-open in spite of the continuing Covid crisis, which Trump claims has been palliated. > Rosane > On 7/6/20 6:05 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: >> From what I have seen, I assume this is Trumpian, and related to the restrictions to H1B visas (which most foreign academics come in on): >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html >> >> There was debate at one point that non-commercial organisations such as universities would be excluded from this ban; but they are now in it, as far as I know. >> >> A step leading up to those restrictions was that the government got rid of expedited processing for H1Bs (for a fee, a reply within a period of a few weeks was guaranteed - which often was the only way to get a foreign academic into the US in time for them to start their work on time/at the beginning of the semester). >> >> Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions. >> >> --Antonia >> >> On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a sense of whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more Trumpian BS? >> >> All the best, >> Jeff >> >> Dr. Jeffery D. Long >> Professor of Religion & Asian Studies >> Elizabethtown College >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> This is insane. >> Rosane Rocher >> On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: >>> I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching in the US this autumn. >>> >>> The US government has made changes to its overseas student visa rules. Overseas students may now no longer remain in the US if their universities operate entirely online. They either must leave the country or transfer to a school with in-person instruction. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Patricia >>> >>> -- >>> Patricia Sauthoff >>> (she/her/they/them) >>> Postdoctoral Fellow >>> AyurYog.org >>> Department of History and Classics >>> University of Alberta >>> Edmonton, Canada >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> -- >> Dr Antonia Ruppel >> cambridge-sanskrit.org >> allthingssanskrit.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prajnapti at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 23:15:41 2020 From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 20 19:15:41 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_New_Rules_Detail_How_Foreign_Students_Can=E2=80=94and_Can=E2=80=99t=E2=80=94Take_Classes_at_U.S._Colleges_This_Fall_-_WSJ?= Message-ID: <50A81B35-D49A-487F-9FD4-75B03870A74B@gmail.com> Here is the Wall St Journal?s take on the new rules. Dan https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-rules-detail-how-foreign-students-canand-canttake-classes-at-u-s-colleges-this-fall-11594056119?mod=hp_lista_pos1 New Rules Detail How Foreign Students Can?and Can?t?Take Classes at U.S. Colleges This Fall Long-awaited guidance says some won?t be able to take classes entirely online Harvard University said Monday it will bring some students back to campus this fall, but offer most instruction online even for those who return in person. PHOTO: ADAM GLANZMAN/BLOOMBERG NEWS By Melissa Korn Updated July 6, 2020 4:24 pm ET PRINT TEXT International students can?t take all their classes online if their college offers a mix of on-campus and remote classes, according to new guidelines from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, as Harvard University and others laid out their plans for the fall. The guidance issued Monday by ICE?s Student and Exchange Visitor Program varies depending on whether a school is offering classes entirely online, in person or a mix of the two. The eagerly awaited plans include a host of different instructions that will allow some students on campus, keep others learning remotely and make it impossible for still others to return to the U.S. Harvard University and Princeton University said Monday they will bring some students back to campus this fall, but offer most instruction online even for those who return in person. Harvard will have first-year students and some others on campus, up to 40% of the total undergraduate population. If the pandemic remains a threat and the school wants to keep density low in the spring, seniors will get priority. Princeton is inviting first-year students and juniors to campus in the fall and sophomores and seniors in the spring. Other schools have laid out a range of plans for the fall term, from telling students to just stay home and take their classes online to laying out expectations that everyone who can should come back to campus for at least some in-person courses. The coronavirus pandemic has completely disrupted higher education, prompting schools to reimagine how to set up campuses, how to teach and how to manage their increasingly unpredictable and tight budgets. U.S. colleges have been racing to figure out options for keeping international students enrolled even if they can?t make it to campus, as many are held up by visa processing delays and travel restrictions. At some schools, upward of 15% of the population hails from overseas , and those students often account for an even higher share of tuition revenue. Related Video How the Pandemic Could Transform Higher Ed YOU MAY ALSO LIKE UP NEXT 0:00 / 8:20 How the Pandemic Could Transform Higher Ed Will the coronavirus pandemic lead to long-term changes in higher education? To better understand the challenges facing U.S. colleges and universities, WSJ?s Alexander Hotz spoke with administrators, students, and a higher education futurist. Photo: Robert F. Bukaty/AP ICE won?t allow students to enter the country if they are attending a school that is only teaching courses online, but they may take the full load of online classes from their home country. If students are already in the U.S. and classes are being taught completely online, they can transfer to another school with face-to-face instruction or leave the country. When schools are offering a hybrid option, with large lectures online and seminars still meeting face-to-face, foreign students on visas must be on-site at the U.S. campus to take a full course load. Foreign students can?t take all their classes online from afar if hybrid instruction is available. That requirement for in-person attendance at schools offering such instruction could be problematic for many students. U.S. consulates around the world have paused nearly all routine visa processing, meaning those who were accepted into programs in the spring haven?t been able to schedule the required in-person interviews to be issued their visas. Typically, a student can?t enter the U.S. on a valid visa after a program?s start date. And even if they have visas already, students from China, Brazil and most of Europe also may not be able to return to the U.S. if coronavirus-related travel restrictions aren?t lifted in time for the fall semester. Allowing students to take their classes online while overseas creates other challenges, too: A noon class at a school on the East Coast would be at midnight in Shanghai, so schools must decide whether to teach synchronously or allow overseas students to watch recorded lectures. ?Michelle Hackman contributed to this article. Write to Melissa Korn at melissa.korn at wsj.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: thumbstrip.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4835 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Steve Steve Farmer, PhD The Systems Biology Group Palo Alto, California > On Jul 6, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Here is the Wall St Journal?s take on the new rules. > Dan > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-rules-detail-how-foreign-students-canand-canttake-classes-at-u-s-colleges-this-fall-11594056119?mod=hp_lista_pos1 > New Rules Detail How Foreign Students Can?and Can?t?Take Classes at U.S. Colleges This Fall > Long-awaited guidance says some won?t be able to take classes entirely online > > Harvard University said Monday it will bring some students back to campus this fall, but offer most instruction online even for those who return in person. > PHOTO: ADAM GLANZMAN/BLOOMBERG NEWS > By Melissa Korn > Updated July 6, 2020 4:24 pm ET > PRINT > TEXT > > International students can?t take all their classes online if their college offers a mix of on-campus and remote classes, according to new guidelines from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, as Harvard University and others laid out their plans for the fall. > > The guidance issued Monday by ICE?s Student and Exchange Visitor Program varies depending on whether a school is offering classes entirely online, in person or a mix of the two. The eagerly awaited plans include a host of different instructions that will allow some students on campus, keep others learning remotely and make it impossible for still others to return to the U.S. > > Harvard University and Princeton University said Monday they will bring some students back to campus this fall, but offer most instruction online even for those who return in person. Harvard will have first-year students and some others on campus, up to 40% of the total undergraduate population. If the pandemic remains a threat and the school wants to keep density low in the spring, seniors will get priority. Princeton is inviting first-year students and juniors to campus in the fall and sophomores and seniors in the spring. > > Other schools have laid out a range of plans for the fall term, from telling students to just stay home and take their classes online to laying out expectations that everyone who can should come back to campus for at least some in-person courses. > > The coronavirus pandemic has completely disrupted higher education, prompting schools to reimagine how to set up campuses, how to teach and how to manage their increasingly unpredictable and tight budgets. > > U.S. colleges have been racing to figure out options for keeping international students enrolled even if they can?t make it to campus, as many are held up by visa processing delays and travel restrictions. At some schools, upward of 15% of the population hails from overseas , and those students often account for an even higher share of tuition revenue. > > Related Video > How the Pandemic Could Transform Higher Ed > YOU MAY ALSO LIKE > > UP NEXT > > > 0:00 / 8:20 > <052220howwework_cx_1920x1080.jpeg> > How the Pandemic Could Transform Higher Ed > Will the coronavirus pandemic lead to long-term changes in higher education? To better understand the challenges facing U.S. colleges and universities, WSJ?s Alexander Hotz spoke with administrators, students, and a higher education futurist. Photo: Robert F. Bukaty/AP > ICE won?t allow students to enter the country if they are attending a school that is only teaching courses online, but they may take the full load of online classes from their home country. > > If students are already in the U.S. and classes are being taught completely online, they can transfer to another school with face-to-face instruction or leave the country. > > When schools are offering a hybrid option, with large lectures online and seminars still meeting face-to-face, foreign students on visas must be on-site at the U.S. campus to take a full course load. Foreign students can?t take all their classes online from afar if hybrid instruction is available. > > That requirement for in-person attendance at schools offering such instruction could be problematic for many students. U.S. consulates around the world have paused nearly all routine visa processing, meaning those who were accepted into programs in the spring haven?t been able to schedule the required in-person interviews to be issued their visas. Typically, a student can?t enter the U.S. on a valid visa after a program?s start date. > > And even if they have visas already, students from China, Brazil and most of Europe also may not be able to return to the U.S. if coronavirus-related travel restrictions aren?t lifted in time for the fall semester. > > Allowing students to take their classes online while overseas creates other challenges, too: A noon class at a school on the East Coast would be at midnight in Shanghai, so schools must decide whether to teach synchronously or allow overseas students to watch recorded lectures. > > ?Michelle Hackman contributed to this article. > > Write to Melissa Korn at melissa.korn at wsj.com _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 03:03:04 2020 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 20 21:03:04 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is also the question of how this affects universities like The University of the People that are ground-up online. I know nothing about the UoP beyond their website and a quite plausible talk on the BBC by one of their heads; it sounds a bit like the UK's Open University, but restricted to business and computing. I've been finding some of the UoP material on how they teach online quite helpful, as I have to learn these online techniques for next semester. NB: "Students learn in small online classes of approximately 25 students to make sure professors can focus on each student?s needs." Hah! Tell that to our administrators. Our Dean just said that small class teaching was bad because, "it denied the students the experience of being part of a substantial cohort." Pah . -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 16:33, Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > The new ICE regulation is aimed at schools that will be *entirely* online > with no in-class instruction. > > ?1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating > entirely online may *not* take a full online course load and remain in > the United States.? > > ?3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid > model?that is, a mixture of online and in person classes?will be allowed to > take more than one class or three credit hours online. These schools must > certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, ?Certificate of Eligibility for > Nonimmigrant Student Status,? certifying that the program is not entirely > online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this > semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online > classes required to make normal progress in their degree program. The above > exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in English language training > programs or M-1 students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted > to enroll in any online courses.? > > A list of what 800+ schools are currently planning for the Fall is > compiled and avaiable on the Chronicle of Higher Education website. > https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626?cid=cp275 (click > the arrow to move to the next page - the list, not the top text, changes). > Schools that plan to go completely online include the Cal State schools, > but most schools seem to be considering a hybrid semester or quarter. > > Dan > > On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > I tend to believe that the intent is to force universities to re-open in > spite of the continuing Covid crisis, which Trump claims has been > palliated. > > Rosane > On 7/6/20 6:05 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: > > From what I have seen, I assume this is Trumpian, and related to the > restrictions to H1B visas (which most foreign academics come in on): > > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html > > There was debate at one point that non-commercial organisations such as > universities would be excluded from this ban; but they are now in it, as > far as I know. > > A step leading up to those restrictions was that the government got rid of > expedited processing for H1Bs (for a fee, a reply within a period of a few > weeks was guaranteed - which often was the only way to get a foreign > academic into the US in time for them to start their work on time/at the > beginning of the semester). > > Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions. > > --Antonia > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a sense of >> whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more Trumpian BS? >> >> All the best, >> Jeff >> >> Dr. Jeffery D. Long >> Professor of Religion & Asian Studies >> Elizabethtown College >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> This is insane. >> >> Rosane Rocher >> On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: >> >> I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching in the US this >> autumn. >> >> The US government has made changes to its overseas student visa rules. >> Overseas students may now no longer remain in the US if their universities >> operate entirely online. They either must leave the country or transfer to >> a school with in-person instruction. >> https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Patricia >> >> -- >> Patricia Sauthoff >> (she/her/they/them) >> Postdoctoral Fellow >> AyurYog.org >> Department of History and Classics >> University of Alberta >> Edmonton, Canada >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > -- > Dr Antonia Ruppel > cambridge-sanskrit.org > allthingssanskrit.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sauthoff at ualberta.ca Tue Jul 7 03:57:40 2020 From: sauthoff at ualberta.ca (Patricia Sauthoff) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 20 21:57:40 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Overseas students have never been able to get a student visa to live in the US for online only education. So this ruling should not impact universities that are already online-only. However, this could impact tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of overseas students already in the US. It threatens to force students already living in the worst-hit by covid country in the world to leave everything behind (I can only imagine the headache of rents and roommates and belongings and etc.) and potentially risk the health of everyone they come across on the journey "home" (assuming everyone has a safe home to return to) while simultaneously risking the health of everyone who works in higher education across the country by forcing them to return to closed spaces. It also takes the decision-making away from universities and puts those decisions in the hands of the US' Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Department of Homeland Security, which are entirely separate from the US Citizenship and Immigration Services. On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:04 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > There is also the question of how this affects universities like The > University of the People that are ground-up > online. > > I know nothing about the UoP beyond their website and a quite plausible > talk on the BBC by one of their heads; it sounds a bit like the UK's Open > University, but restricted to business and computing. I've been finding > some of the UoP material on how they teach online quite helpful, as I have > to learn these online techniques for next semester. NB: "Students learn in > small online classes of approximately 25 students to make sure professors > can focus on each student?s needs." Hah! Tell that to our administrators. > Our Dean just said that small class teaching was bad because, "it denied > the students the experience of being part of a substantial cohort." Pah > . > > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 16:33, Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> The new ICE regulation is aimed at schools that will be *entirely* >> online with no in-class instruction. >> >> ?1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating >> entirely online may *not* take a full online course load and remain in >> the United States.? >> >> ?3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid >> model?that is, a mixture of online and in person classes?will be allowed to >> take more than one class or three credit hours online. These schools must >> certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, ?Certificate of Eligibility for >> Nonimmigrant Student Status,? certifying that the program is not entirely >> online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this >> semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online >> classes required to make normal progress in their degree program. The above >> exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in English language training >> programs or M-1 students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted >> to enroll in any online courses.? >> >> A list of what 800+ schools are currently planning for the Fall is >> compiled and avaiable on the Chronicle of Higher Education website. >> https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626?cid=cp275 (click >> the arrow to move to the next page - the list, not the top text, changes). >> Schools that plan to go completely online include the Cal State schools, >> but most schools seem to be considering a hybrid semester or quarter. >> >> Dan >> >> On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> I tend to believe that the intent is to force universities to re-open in >> spite of the continuing Covid crisis, which Trump claims has been >> palliated. >> >> Rosane >> On 7/6/20 6:05 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: >> >> From what I have seen, I assume this is Trumpian, and related to the >> restrictions to H1B visas (which most foreign academics come in on): >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html >> >> There was debate at one point that non-commercial organisations such as >> universities would be excluded from this ban; but they are now in it, as >> far as I know. >> >> A step leading up to those restrictions was that the government got rid >> of expedited processing for H1Bs (for a fee, a reply within a period of a >> few weeks was guaranteed - which often was the only way to get a foreign >> academic into the US in time for them to start their work on time/at the >> beginning of the semester). >> >> Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions. >> >> --Antonia >> >> On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a sense of >>> whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more Trumpian BS? >>> >>> All the best, >>> Jeff >>> >>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long >>> Professor of Religion & Asian Studies >>> Elizabethtown College >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>> This is insane. >>> >>> Rosane Rocher >>> On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: >>> >>> I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching in the US >>> this autumn. >>> >>> The US government has made changes to its overseas student visa rules. >>> Overseas students may now no longer remain in the US if their universities >>> operate entirely online. They either must leave the country or transfer to >>> a school with in-person instruction. >>> https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Patricia >>> >>> -- >>> Patricia Sauthoff >>> (she/her/they/them) >>> Postdoctoral Fellow >>> AyurYog.org >>> Department of History and Classics >>> University of Alberta >>> Edmonton, Canada >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr Antonia Ruppel >> cambridge-sanskrit.org >> allthingssanskrit.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Patricia Sauthoff (she/her/they/them) Postdoctoral Fellow AyurYog.org Department of History and Classics University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hegewald Professor of Oriental Art History Head of Department University of Bonn Institute of Oriental and Asian Studies (IOA) Department of Asian and Islamic Art History Adenauerallee 10 53113 Bonn Germany Email: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de www.aik.uni-bonn.de Tel. 0049-228-73 7213 Fax. 0049-228-73 4042 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: StA20_2020.docx.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 267259 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu Tue Jul 7 15:42:11 2020 From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rosane Rocher) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 20 11:42:11 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79318a63-7b5a-0bde-ee41-26849f1319a4@sas.upenn.edu> Regulation #3affects students at institutions that adopt the hybrid mode, who are already in the US. I think of one of my neighbors, a member of the youthful squad who have volunteered to run critical errands for the elderly who are most at risk in this pandemic among some 1000 residents in our building. She is about to enter into the final year of the doctoral program of Penn?s Wharton School of Business. Penn has chosen a hybrid mode of instruction, details of which are being worked out. Her first priority may have to be finding a course that is taught in person instead of what is most relevant for her dissertation and/or her career plans, in this last shot at academic education. I think also of Penn?s International Student and Scholar Services who may have to deflect from their role of helping vast numbers of international students navigate an unfamiliar environment, in order to monitor each international student?s roster against a list of courses taught in person and attest that each is in compliance with ICE regulations. Such a level of detail and of intrusion in educational planning would reek of bureaucratic harassment. I cannot see how kicking my young friend out of the country might contribute to mitigating Covid contagion and/or reinvigorating the American economy. She is not an Indologist, but she is a living representative of the international flow of scholarship that this list so demonstrably fosters. I guess I will just get her another box of blueberries, her comfort food. Rosane On 7/6/20 6:33 PM, Dan Lusthaus wrote: > The new ICE regulation is aimed at schools that will be _entirely_ > online with no in-class instruction. > > ?1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating > entirely online may */not/*?take a full online course load and remain > in the United States.? > > ?3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid > model?that is, a mixture of online and in person classes?will be > allowed to take more than one class or three credit hours online. > These schools must certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, > ?Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,? > certifying that the program is not entirely online, that the student > is not taking an entirely online course load this semester, and that > the student is taking the minimum number of online classes required to > make normal progress in their degree program. The above exemptions do > not apply to F-1 students in English language training programs or M-1 > students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted to enroll > in any online courses.? > > A list of what 800+ schools are currently planning for the Fall is > compiled and avaiable on the Chronicle of Higher Education website. > https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626?cid=cp275?(click > the arrow to move to the next page - the list, not the top text, > changes). Schools that plan to go completely online include the Cal > State schools, but most schools seem to be considering a hybrid > semester or quarter. > > Dan > >> On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY >> > wrote: >> >> I tend to believe that the intent is to force universities to re-open >> in spite of the continuing Covid crisis, which Trump claims has been >> palliated. >> >> Rosane >> >> On 7/6/20 6:05 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: >>> From what I have seen, I assume this is Trumpian, and related to the >>> restrictions to H1B visas (which most foreign academics come in on): >>> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html >>> >>> There was debate at one point that non-commercial organisations such >>> as universities would be excluded from this ban; but they are now in >>> it, as far as I know. >>> >>> A step leading up to those restrictions was that the government got >>> rid of expedited processing for H1Bs (for a fee, a reply within a >>> period of a few weeks was guaranteed - which often was the only way >>> to get a foreign academic into the US in time for them to start >>> their work on time/at the beginning of the semester). >>> >>> Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions. >>> >>> --Antonia >>> >>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a sense >>> of whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more Trumpian BS? >>> >>> All the best, >>> Jeff >>> >>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long >>> Professor of Religion & Asian Studies >>> Elizabethtown College >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> This is insane. >>> >>> Rosane Rocher >>> >>> On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: >>>> I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching >>>> in the US this autumn. >>>> >>>> The US government has made changes to its overseas student >>>> visa rules. Overseas students may now no longer remain in >>>> the US if their universities operate entirely online. They >>>> either must leave the country or transfer to a school with >>>> in-person instruction. >>>> https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> Patricia >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Patricia Sauthoff >>>> (she/her/they/them) >>>> Postdoctoral Fellow >>>> AyurYog.org >>>> Department of History and Classics >>>> University of Alberta >>>> Edmonton, Canada >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info >>> (messages to the >>> list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info >>> (where you can change your >>> list options or unsubscribe) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info >>> (messages to the >>> list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info >>> (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr Antonia Ruppel >>> cambridge-sanskrit.org >>> allthingssanskrit.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From prajnapti at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 23:03:45 2020 From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 20 19:03:45 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US) In-Reply-To: <79318a63-7b5a-0bde-ee41-26849f1319a4@sas.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <89DA0446-7AD8-48DB-B95C-B7A1BEB36BF7@gmail.com> Many of us know students in similar straits. Schools have been working on various ways of threading a difficult needle that will address for the Fall semester student, faculty, and staff safety on one hand, provide quality education on the other, and satisfy the financial bottom line, all at the same time. The new federal rules have certainly made that more difficult. Students on campus is a recipe for spreading the disease - that has been demonstrated, including recent outbreaks in Seatle, etc. Hybrid mode will include many remote learning courses (the details as to which parts of the curriculum will be online, in-person, or even a hybid classroom in which an in-class session is simultaneously including remote learning enrolled students, perhaps with a trained student monitor to keep the two sides interacting, is still being worked out in some schools), which will mean that students will have to find at least one in-class course to take to retain their visa, regardless of relevance or interest. For many years, students in Korea studied English from early grades on, many with the hope of attending higher education in the US. In more recent years, there has been a shift toward studying Chinese instead of English, many Koreans are now studying in Chinese universities rather than US. Many Chinese students are starting to consider whether bothering to study in the US is worth it at all. Many schools have encouraged large Chinese enrollments for financial reasons. My wife teaches Japanese at Boston University - most of the students studying Japanese there are Chinese, so there is some concern that the long term future of the program itself might be endangered by Trump?s xenophobia. Clearly, instead of stabilizing things during the unavoidable uncertainties of a pandemic, he has just increased the uncertainties, while pushing everyone to take the least safe course of action. Meanwhile he just formally began the process of withdrawing from WHO. Wherever he?s turned his attention, he has been a force for destruction and death, from the environment, to federal agencies, to corruption, to disease management. Dan > On Jul 7, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > Regulation #3 affects students at institutions that adopt the hybrid mode, who are already in the US. I think of one of my neighbors, a member of the youthful squad who have volunteered to run critical errands for the elderly who are most at risk in this pandemic among some 1000 residents in our building. She is about to enter into the final year of the doctoral program of Penn?s Wharton School of Business. Penn has chosen a hybrid mode of instruction, details of which are being worked out. Her first priority may have to be finding a course that is taught in person instead of what is most relevant for her dissertation and/or her career plans, in this last shot at academic education. I think also of Penn?s International Student and Scholar Services who may have to deflect from their role of helping vast numbers of international students navigate an unfamiliar environment, in order to monitor each international student?s roster against a list of courses taught in person and attest that each is in compliance with ICE regulations. Such a level of detail and of intrusion in educational planning would reek of bureaucratic harassment. I cannot see how kicking my young friend out of the country might contribute to mitigating Covid contagion and/or reinvigorating the American economy. She is not an Indologist, but she is a living representative of the international flow of scholarship that this list so demonstrably fosters. I guess I will just get her another box of blueberries, her comfort food. > > Rosane > > On 7/6/20 6:33 PM, Dan Lusthaus wrote: >> The new ICE regulation is aimed at schools that will be entirely online with no in-class instruction. >> >> ?1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating entirely online may not take a full online course load and remain in the United States.? >> >> ?3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid model?that is, a mixture of online and in person classes?will be allowed to take more than one class or three credit hours online. These schools must certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, ?Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,? certifying that the program is not entirely online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online classes required to make normal progress in their degree program. The above exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in English language training programs or M-1 students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted to enroll in any online courses.? >> >> A list of what 800+ schools are currently planning for the Fall is compiled and avaiable on the Chronicle of Higher Education website. https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626?cid=cp275 (click the arrow to move to the next page - the list, not the top text, changes). Schools that plan to go completely online include the Cal State schools, but most schools seem to be considering a hybrid semester or quarter. >> >> Dan >> >>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>> >>> I tend to believe that the intent is to force universities to re-open in spite of the continuing Covid crisis, which Trump claims has been palliated. >>> >>> Rosane >>> >>> On 7/6/20 6:05 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: >>>> From what I have seen, I assume this is Trumpian, and related to the restrictions to H1B visas (which most foreign academics come in on): >>>> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html >>>> >>>> There was debate at one point that non-commercial organisations such as universities would be excluded from this ban; but they are now in it, as far as I know. >>>> >>>> A step leading up to those restrictions was that the government got rid of expedited processing for H1Bs (for a fee, a reply within a period of a few weeks was guaranteed - which often was the only way to get a foreign academic into the US in time for them to start their work on time/at the beginning of the semester). >>>> >>>> Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions. >>>> >>>> --Antonia >>>> >>>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>>> Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a sense of whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more Trumpian BS? >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long >>>> Professor of Religion & Asian Studies >>>> Elizabethtown College >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>>> >>>> On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>>> >>>> This is insane. >>>> >>>> Rosane Rocher >>>> >>>> On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: >>>>> I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching in the US this autumn. >>>>> >>>>> The US government has made changes to its overseas student visa rules. Overseas students may now no longer remain in the US if their universities operate entirely online. They either must leave the country or transfer to a school with in-person instruction. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> Patricia >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Patricia Sauthoff >>>>> (she/her/they/them) >>>>> Postdoctoral Fellow >>>>> AyurYog.org >>>>> Department of History and Classics >>>>> University of Alberta >>>>> Edmonton, Canada >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info? 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All the best, Gaia Pintucci On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:24 PM Alessandro Battistini via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Does anyone have a pdf of Bhoja's *???g?raprak??a* in Josyer's edition? > I'm looking for the second volume, containing the description of > *prabandh?la?k?ras* (Coronation Press, 1963). > > Thank you in advance, > > Alessandro Battistini > UniBo/Shivadharma Project > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best, Gaia Pintucci On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:00 PM Gaia Pintucci wrote: > Dear Alessandro, dear all, > > Here's a link to the pdf of vol. 2 from Josyer's edition: > https://we.tl/t-UNnwkTjYcu > Incidentally, it seems to be a DLI file, although I can't quite recollect > where I found it. > > All the best, > Gaia Pintucci > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:24 PM Alessandro Battistini via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> Does anyone have a pdf of Bhoja's *???g?raprak??a* in Josyer's edition? >> I'm looking for the second volume, containing the description of >> *prabandh?la?k?ras* (Coronation Press, 1963). >> >> Thank you in advance, >> >> Alessandro Battistini >> UniBo/Shivadharma Project >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:56 PM Gaia Pintucci via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > > Since someone requested a pdf of vol. 1, I decided to share the other two > pdfs of Josyer's edition that are available to me, namely vol. 1 and 4: > https://we.tl/t-98c39eyVcs > This link and the one I sent yesterday will be available for seven days. > > All the best, > Gaia Pintucci > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:00 PM Gaia Pintucci > wrote: > >> Dear Alessandro, dear all, >> >> Here's a link to the pdf of vol. 2 from Josyer's edition: >> https://we.tl/t-UNnwkTjYcu >> Incidentally, it seems to be a DLI file, although I can't quite recollect >> where I found it. >> >> All the best, >> Gaia Pintucci >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:24 PM Alessandro Battistini via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> Does anyone have a pdf of Bhoja's *???g?raprak??a* in Josyer's edition? >>> I'm looking for the second volume, containing the description of >>> *prabandh?la?k?ras* (Coronation Press, 1963). >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> >>> Alessandro Battistini >>> UniBo/Shivadharma Project >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emstern1948 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 01:08:38 2020 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 20 21:08:38 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Bhoja's_=C5=9A=E1=B9=9B=E1=B9=85g=C4=81raprak=C4=81=C5=9Ba_(Josyer_edition)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4A3145A8-A4E7-4FB1-8FE2-6080CA53BFDA@gmail.com> Thank you, Gaia, for volume 2, which I previously could not find. Volumes 1, 3 and 4 are available at archive.org if you use the search term Josyer. You?ll find a scan of Volume 3 at: https://archive.org/details/sringaraprakasabhojavol3josyerg.r._20200304_40/page/n7/mode/2up . Best wishes, Elliot > On Jul 8, 2020, at 8:56 PM, Gaia Pintucci via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear list members, > > Since someone requested a pdf of vol. 1, I decided to share the other two pdfs of Josyer's edition that are available to me, namely vol. 1 and 4: https://we.tl/t-98c39eyVcs > This link and the one I sent yesterday will be available for seven days. > > All the best, > Gaia Pintucci > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:00 PM Gaia Pintucci > wrote: > Dear Alessandro, dear all, > > Here's a link to the pdf of vol. 2 from Josyer's edition: https://we.tl/t-UNnwkTjYcu > Incidentally, it seems to be a DLI file, although I can't quite recollect where I found it. > > All the best, > Gaia Pintucci > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:24 PM Alessandro Battistini via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Does anyone have a pdf of Bhoja's ???g?raprak??a in Josyer's edition? I'm looking for the second volume, containing the description of prabandh?la?k?ras (Coronation Press, 1963). > > Thank you in advance, > > Alessandro Battistini > UniBo/Shivadharma Project > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Elliot M. Stern 552 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 emstern1948 at gmail.com 267-240-8418 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org Thu Jul 9 03:01:46 2020 From: rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 20 15:01:46 +1200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US) In-Reply-To: <89DA0446-7AD8-48DB-B95C-B7A1BEB36BF7@gmail.com> Message-ID: And for a little more on all this: What Harvard and Your Local Commuter College Now Have in Common https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/upshot/virus-colleges-harvard-reopening.html "... Which means that, in our topsy-turvy coronavirus world, online higher education has abruptly gone from down-market and sometimes disreputable to a privilege reserved for the elite few. In 2020, only the best and the brightest will be allowed to not go to college. ..." Best, Richard -- Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ T: +64 3 312 1699 M: +64 210 640 216 IM: @rmahoney https://t.me/rmahoney rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.com https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY Reply-To: Dan Lusthaus To: Rosane Rocher Cc: indology at list.indology.info Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 19:03:45 -0400 Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 Many of us know students in similar straits. Schools have been working on various ways of threading a difficult needle that will address for the Fall semester student, faculty, and staff safety on one hand, provide quality education on the other, and satisfy the financial bottom line, all at the same time. The new federal rules have certainly made that more difficult. Students on campus is a recipe for spreading the disease - that has been demonstrated, including recent outbreaks in Seatle, etc. Hybrid mode will include many remote learning courses (the details as to which parts of the curriculum will be online, in-person, or even a hybid classroom in which an in-class session is simultaneously including remote learning enrolled students, perhaps with a trained student monitor to keep the two sides interacting, is still being worked out in some schools), which will mean that students will have to find at least one in-class course to take to retain their visa, regardless of relevance or interest. For many years, students in Korea studied English from early grades on, many with the hope of attending higher education in the US. In more recent years, there has been a shift toward studying Chinese instead of English, many Koreans are now studying in Chinese universities rather than US. Many Chinese students are starting to consider whether bothering to study in the US is worth it at all. Many schools have encouraged large Chinese enrollments for financial reasons. My wife teaches Japanese at Boston University - most of the students studying Japanese there are Chinese, so there is some concern that the long term future of the program itself might be endangered by Trump?s xenophobia. Clearly, instead of stabilizing things during the unavoidable uncertainties of a pandemic, he has just increased the uncertainties, while pushing everyone to take the least safe course of action. Meanwhile he just formally began the process of withdrawing from WHO. Wherever he?s turned his attention, he has been a force for destruction and death, from the environment, to federal agencies, to corruption, to disease management. Dan > On Jul 7, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Regulation #3 affects students at institutions that adopt the hybrid > mode, who are already in the US. I think of one of my neighbors, a > member of the youthful squad who have volunteered to run critical > errands for the elderly who are most at risk in this pandemic among > some 1000 residents in our building. She is about to enter into the > final year of the doctoral program of Penn?s Wharton School of > Business. Penn has chosen a hybrid mode of instruction, details of > which are being worked out. Her first priority may have to be > finding a course that is taught in person instead of what is most > relevant for her dissertation and/or her career plans, in this last > shot at academic education. I think also of Penn?s International > Student and Scholar Services who may have to deflect from their role > of helping vast numbers of international students navigate an > unfamiliar environment, in order to monitor each international > student?s roster against a list of courses taught in person and > attest that each is in compliance with ICE regulations. Such a level > of detail and of intrusion in educational planning would reek of > bureaucratic harassment. I cannot see how kicking my young friend > out of the country might contribute to mitigating Covid contagion > and/or reinvigorating the American economy. She is not an > Indologist, but she is a living representative of the international > flow of scholarship that this list so demonstrably fosters. I guess > I will just get her another box of blueberries, her comfort food. > > > > Rosane > > > On 7/6/20 6:33 PM, Dan Lusthaus wrote: > > The new ICE regulation is aimed at schools that will > > be entirely online with no in-class instruction. > > ?1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating > > entirely online may not take a full online course load and remain > > in the United States.? > > > > ?3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid > > model?that is, a mixture of online and in person classes?will be > > allowed to take more than one class or three credit hours online. > > These schools must certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, > > ?Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,? > > certifying that the program is not entirely online, that the > > student is not taking an entirely online course load this > > semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of > > online classes required to make normal progress in their degree > > program. The above exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in > > English language training programs or M-1 students pursing > > vocational degrees, who are not permitted to enroll in any online > > courses.? > > A list of what 800+ schools are currently planning for the Fall is > > compiled and avaiable on the Chronicle of Higher Education > > website. > > https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626?cid=cp275 > > (click the arrow to move to the next page - the list, not the top > > text, changes). Schools that plan to go completely online include > > the Cal State schools, but most schools seem to be considering a > > hybrid semester or quarter. > > Dan > > > On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < > > > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > I tend to believe that the intent is to force universities to > > > re-open in spite of the continuing Covid crisis, which Trump > > > claims has been palliated. > > > > > > Rosane > > > > > > On 7/6/20 6:05 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > > From what I have seen, I assume this is Trumpian, and related > > > > to the restrictions to H1B visas (which most foreign academics > > > > come in on): > > > > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html > > > > > > > > There was debate at one point that non-commercial > > > > organisations such as universities would be excluded from this > > > > ban; but they are now in it, as far as I know. > > > > > > > > A step leading up to those restrictions was that the > > > > government got rid of expedited processing for H1Bs (for a > > > > fee, a reply within a period of a few weeks was guaranteed - > > > > which often was the only way to get a foreign academic into > > > > the US in time for them to start their work on time/at the > > > > beginning of the semester). > > > > > > > > Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions. > > > > > > > > --Antonia > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY < > > > > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > > > Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a > > > > > sense of whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more > > > > > Trumpian BS? > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Jeffery D. Long > > > > > Professor of Religion & Asian Studies > > > > > Elizabethtown College > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This is insane. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rosane Rocher > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > > > > > I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone > > > > > > > teaching in the US this autumn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The US government has made changes to its overseas > > > > > > > student visa rules. Overseas students may now no longer > > > > > > > remain in the US if their universities operate entirely > > > > > > > online. They either must leave the country or transfer > > > > > > > to a school with in-person instruction. > > > > > > > https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Patricia Sauthoff > > > > > > > (she/her/they/them) > > > > > > > Postdoctoral Fellow > > > > > > > AyurYog.org > > > > > > > Department of History and Classics > > > > > > > University of Alberta > > > > > > > Edmonton, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > > > > > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > > > > > > (messages to the list's managing committee) > > > > > > > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > > > > > (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > > > > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's > > > > > > managing committee) > > > > > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your > > > > > > list options or unsubscribe) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > > > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's > > > > > managing committee) > > > > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your > > > > > list options or unsubscribe) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dr Antonia Ruppel > > > > cambridge-sanskrit.org > > > > > > > > allthingssanskrit.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > > > > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > > > (messages to the list's managing committee) > > > > http://listinfo.indology.info > > > > (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's > > > managing committee) > > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > > > options or unsubscribe) > -->_______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 6:54 AM Sravana Borkataky-Varma via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > All, > > I am looking for scholarships on the Kinnars/Hijras especially in the > context of rituals around the womb, menstruation, pregnancy, and fertility > in general. > > Additionally, interviewees have stated that Gorakshanath in one of his > many births was born as a kinnar. Hence, the Kinnar Akhara owns 50% of Nath > fortunes. Love some information on this as well. > > Thank you. > > Best, > Sravana > PS: Apologies to members for cross posting. > --- > Sravana Borkataky-Varma > Lecturer, Hindu Traditions > Harvard University > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru. Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Thu Jul 9 14:04:39 2020 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 20 14:04:39 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] hijra Message-ID: <69c57a0cce5142658834644a864e0707@hum.leidenuniv.nl> Dear Sravana, It is not a scholarly article, but may be of interest to you as it deals among other things with the way hijras in India are organized ? and see themselves. I refer to an article which has appeared in Frontline, in of fourth of August issue of 2017. The title of the article is "Hijra has become a political identity". I remembered that I had read it once and found it again by googling "Frontline, India, hijra". Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.hartzell at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 05:58:51 2020 From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 20 07:58:51 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_GB_Palsule_The_Sanskrit_Dh=C4=81tup=C4=81=E1=B9=ADhas,_A_Cirital_Study?= Message-ID: Hi Might anyone have, or be able to upload to archive.org, a pdf of GB Palsule The Sanskrit Dh?tup??has, A Cirital Study, Deccan College, Poona, 1961 ? Cheers James From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz Fri Jul 10 06:56:36 2020 From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 20 08:56:36 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_GB_Palsule_The_Sanskrit_Dh=C4=81tup=C4=81=E1=B9=ADhas,_A_Cirital_Study?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20200710085636.5cfcd38865e5311e2cc8c21d@ff.cuni.cz> It is already there: https://archive.org/details/dhatupathaacriticalstudypalsuleg.b.deccancollege1961_380_ On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:58:51 +0200 James Hartzell via INDOLOGY wrote: > Hi > > Might anyone have, or be able to upload to archive.org, a pdf of > GB Palsule The Sanskrit Dh?tup??has, A Cirital Study, Deccan College, Poona, 1961 ? > > Cheers > James > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From james.hartzell at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 08:07:03 2020 From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 20 10:07:03 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09GB_Palsule_The_Sanskrit_Dh=C4=81tup=C4=81=E1=B9=ADhas,_A_Cirital_Study?= In-Reply-To: <20200710085636.5cfcd38865e5311e2cc8c21d@ff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: Thanks On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:56 AM Lubom?r Ondra?ka wrote: > It is already there: > > https://archive.org/details/dhatupathaacriticalstudypalsuleg.b.deccancollege1961_380_ > > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:58:51 +0200 > James Hartzell via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Might anyone have, or be able to upload to archive.org, a pdf of > > GB Palsule The Sanskrit Dh?tup??has, A Cirital Study, Deccan College, > Poona, 1961 ? > > > > Cheers > > James > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or unsubscribe) > -- James Hartzell, PhD (2x) Donostia-San Sebati?n, Spain Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC), The University of Trento, Italy Center for Buddhist Studies, Columbia University, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have tried Scan Tent on Indian manuscripts, please post your experience here in INDOLOGY. Best, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 14:32:28 2020 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 20 08:32:28 -0600 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=E1=BC=94=CE=BA=CE=B4=CE=BF=CF=83=CE=B9=CF=82:_a_new_package_for_making_critical_editions_with_TeX?= Message-ID: The ??????? package by Robert Alessi joined the TeXLive distribution this week. ekdosis is a LuaLaTeX package designed for producing multilingual critical editions. I haven't tried it, but it seems promising to me, both for its clear input syntax and its TEI output possibilities. I am emotionally attached to EDMAC, of course. But this deserves a look: - http://www.robertalessi.net/ekdosis Best, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 18:10:30 2020 From: dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com (Dr. Rupali Mokashi) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 20 11:10:30 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Marshall, John H.; Foucher, Alfred. The Monuments of Sanchi (3 vol.). Message-ID: Dear List members I am searching for Marshall, John H.; Foucher, Alfred. The Monuments of Sanchi (3 vol.) as pdf. hope to find a solution from you as always stay safe best Rupali Mokashi *http://rupalimokashi.wordpress.com/* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Monuments of Sanchi (3 vol.) as > pdf. > hope to find a solution from you as always > stay safe > best > Rupali Mokashi > > > > *http://rupalimokashi.wordpress.com/* > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz Fri Jul 10 18:30:42 2020 From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 20 20:30:42 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Marshall, John H.; Foucher, Alfred. The Monuments of Sanchi (3 vol.). In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20200710203042.a2e7f0c3c8f9dd1b82c9d740@ff.cuni.cz> http://ignca.gov.in/divisionss/asi-books/ nos. 81337?9 On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:10:30 -0700 "Dr. Rupali Mokashi via INDOLOGY" wrote: > Dear List members > I am searching for > Marshall, John H.; Foucher, Alfred. The Monuments of Sanchi (3 vol.) as pdf. > hope to find a solution from you as always > stay safe > best > Rupali Mokashi > > > > *http://rupalimokashi.wordpress.com/* From arjunsr1987 at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 11:44:23 2020 From: arjunsr1987 at gmail.com (Arjuna S R) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 20 17:14:23 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] International seminar (online) on Jayatirtha and Dialectics on 13 July at 10 am (IST) - invitation Message-ID: Dear esteemed members, Apologies for cross-posting! Greetings from the Department of Philosophy ? Manipal! As the present COVID crisis has altered the way we live and interact with each other, it is imminent to explore the different modes of interactions to nurture and sustain our academic endeavours. It has been possible to do so through virtual platforms connecting with people who live across the globe. At this juncture, The Department of Philosophy (DoP) ? Manipal in collaboration with Vedic-Vedantic Studies and Research Institute (VVSRI), New Delhi in technical collaboration with Indian Council of Philosophical Research (ICPR), New Delhi are jointly hosting a one-day international seminar on Sri Jayatirtha and Dialectics on Monday, 13 July 2020 from 10 am to 6 pm online on the occasion of Jayatirtha?s 632nd Aradhana. Erudite scholars - HH Sri Vidyashrisha-tirtha Svamiji of Sosale Vyasaraja Matha (formerly known as Prof Dr D Prahlada Char), Prof Dr Shrinivasa Varakhedi, Prof Dr Arindam Chakrabarti and other notable speakers from IIT Delhi, Public Health Foundation of India and Senseforth Technologies are invited to speak on Jayatirtha?s hermeneutical expositions on the epistemology, logic and metaphysics in Dvaita philosophy. Recalling the words of the eminent scholar Dr BNK Sharma sets the tone for this seminar, "If Indian philosophy is to be accepted as much more than an interpretation of certain basic texts and traditions, though not as completely detached from them, attempts should be made to present the various systems of thought and their logical, epistemological and ontological foundations and their metaphysical superstructures, in their architectonic unity. The philosophical system of Madhva and his commentators has not received adequate attention from this point of view? The period of Jayatirtha (c. 1365-88) was one of remarkable development in the history of Dvaita thought and its literature. He gave final shape and form? in the light of contemporary logic and philosophy. Jayatirtha? accomplished it with? his expertise in difficult textual exegesis and philosophical analysis of problems, his graceful style and extraordinary genius for amplification and clarification of details? His methodology of thought and exposition has been followed by all the subsequent writers of the system". On behalf of Manipal Academy of Higher Education (MAHE), an Institution of Eminence in India and the Vedic Vedantic Studies and Research Institute as well as Indian Council of Philosophical Research (ICPR), we extend a warm welcome to you to this international seminar to be held online this Monday. Those wishing to attend may register at https://bit.do/philosophy-registration. Please find the invitation attached. Regards, Arjuna Dr Arjuna S R Assistant Professor Department of Philosophy Manipal Academy of Higher Education (MAHE) & Acquisition Editor Manipal Universal Press (MUP) Sixth Floor, Advanced Research Centre(ARC), Madhav Nagar, Manipal 576104 Mobile: +91-8106783000; Phone: 0820-2937750 Website: https://manipal.edu/philosophy.html; http://mahabharata.manipal.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: InternationalSeminaronSriJayatirthaandDialectics.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1137189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Jul 11 17:28:27 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 20 10:28:27 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Question Message-ID: In my pdf and physical collection of books, the Nirnaya Sagara edition of the Mah?bh??ya of Pata?jali goes only up to the Adhy?ya 6 [Volume 5]. 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But when the Chaukhamba Sanskrit Pratishthan republished the NSP edition, they included a sixth volume edited by Pandit Dadhiram Sharma: https://archive.org/details/TheMahabhashyaOrGreatCommentaryOnPaniniVolume6 On Worldcat they can all be grouped together: https://www.worldcat.org/title/srimanmaharsipatanjalivinirmitam-paniniyavyakaranamahabhasyam/oclc/878688154&referer=brief_results I have pdfs of, and have also seen in my hands, the original NSP edition of the first 5 volumes, but I have never seen the original edition of the 6th volume (I think), which seems to have been first published by Chaukhamba, but I would also like clarity on this matter if anyone knows. All the Best, Victor On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:29 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > In my pdf and physical collection of books, the Nirnaya Sagara edition of > the Mah?bh??ya of Pata?jali goes only up to the Adhy?ya 6 [Volume 5]. Were > the Adhy?yas 7-8 ever published by the NSP? > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Jul 11 18:47:36 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 20 11:47:36 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Victor. I had seen this sixth volume published by Chaukhamba, but was not sure if this was a reprint of the NSP edition that I had not seen. Best, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:41 AM victor davella wrote: > Dear Madhav, > > I believe not, at least not edited by the original group of Pandits. But > when the Chaukhamba Sanskrit Pratishthan republished the NSP edition, they > included a sixth volume edited by Pandit Dadhiram Sharma: > > https://archive.org/details/TheMahabhashyaOrGreatCommentaryOnPaniniVolume6 > > > On Worldcat they can all be grouped together: > > > https://www.worldcat.org/title/srimanmaharsipatanjalivinirmitam-paniniyavyakaranamahabhasyam/oclc/878688154&referer=brief_results > > > I have pdfs of, and have also seen in my hands, the original NSP edition > of the first 5 volumes, but I have never seen the original edition of the > 6th volume (I think), which seems to have been first published by > Chaukhamba, but I would also like clarity on this matter if anyone knows. > > All the Best, > Victor > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:29 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> In my pdf and physical collection of books, the Nirnaya Sagara edition of >> the Mah?bh??ya of Pata?jali goes only up to the Adhy?ya 6 [Volume 5]. Were >> the Adhy?yas 7-8 ever published by the NSP? >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 20:03:19 2020 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 20 14:03:19 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Exactly as Victor said: [image: image.png] -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 11:29, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > In my pdf and physical collection of books, the Nirnaya Sagara edition of > the Mah?bh??ya of Pata?jali goes only up to the Adhy?ya 6 [Volume 5]. Were > the Adhy?yas 7-8 ever published by the NSP? > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Jul 11 20:07:26 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 20 13:07:26 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Dominik. Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:03 PM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Exactly as Victor said: > > [image: image.png] > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 11:29, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> In my pdf and physical collection of books, the Nirnaya Sagara edition of >> the Mah?bh??ya of Pata?jali goes only up to the Adhy?ya 6 [Volume 5]. Were >> the Adhy?yas 7-8 ever published by the NSP? >> >> Madhav M. 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URL: From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com Sun Jul 12 13:20:33 2020 From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 20 13:20:33 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka Message-ID: <20200712132033.1704.qmail@f4mail-235-225.rediffmail.com> Respected Scholars,I had posted this query in the past.May I be excused to raise it once again , as I haven't got any answer to it.I quote from "Dipavamsa" the oldest Pali Chronicle , from Sri Lanka,which goes as follows- "DipAgamanam Buddhassa Dhatu ca Bodhiyagamam"I would like to stress on the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" My question is whether any evidence exists which goes on to prove that Siddharth Gautam Buddha  visited Sri Lanka? Alakendu Das. Sent from RediffmailNG on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Sun Jul 12 13:26:36 2020 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 20 13:26:36 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka In-Reply-To: <20200712132033.1704.qmail@f4mail-235-225.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Alakendu Das, There is no "proof" of this, but it is certainly a very old and widespread tradition. The important Mah?y?na scripture, the La?k?vat?ras?tra, which dates in its present form to about the early fifth century C.E., is in part based on this tradition, for example, and therefore shows that it must have been current before this time. Perhaps the rapid and successful implantation of Buddhism in Sri Lanka encouraged the development and acceptance of the legend. Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of alakendu das via INDOLOGY Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 8:20 AM To: indology Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka Respected Scholars, I had posted this query in the past .May I be excused to raise it once again , as I haven't got any answer to it. I quote from "Dipavamsa" the oldest Pali Chronicle , from Sri Lanka,which goes as follows- "DipAgamanam Buddhassa Dhatu ca Bodhiyagamam" I would like to stress on the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" My question is whether any evidence exists which goes on to prove that Siddharth Gautam Buddha visited Sri Lanka? Alakendu Das. Sent from RediffmailNG on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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J Silk On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:27 PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Alakendu Das, > > There is no "proof" of this, but it is certainly a very old and widespread > tradition. > The important Mah?y?na scripture, the La?k?vat?ras?tra, which dates in its > present form to about the early fifth century C.E., > is in part based on this tradition, for example, and therefore shows that > it must have been current before this time. > > Perhaps the rapid and successful implantation of Buddhism in Sri Lanka > encouraged the development and acceptance of the legend. > > Matthew Kapstein > Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris > > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, > The University of Chicago > ------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of > alakendu das via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 8:20 AM > *To:* indology > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka > > Respected Scholars, > I had posted this query in the past > .May I be excused to raise it once again , as I haven't got any answer to > it. > I quote from "Dipavamsa" the oldest Pali Chronicle , from Sri Lanka,which > goes as follows- > > "DipAgamanam Buddhassa Dhatu ca Bodhiyagamam" > I would like to stress on the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" > > My question is whether any evidence exists which goes on to prove that > Siddharth Gautam Buddha visited Sri Lanka? > > Alakendu Das. > > > > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- J. 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Much has been written about this, some of it useful. J Silk On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:27 PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote: Dear Alakendu Das, There is no "proof" of this, but it is certainly a very old and widespread tradition. The important Mah?y?na scripture, the La?k?vat?ras?tra, which dates in its present form to about the early fifth century C.E., is in part based on this tradition, for example, and therefore shows that it must have been current before this time. Perhaps the rapid and successful implantation of Buddhism in Sri Lanka encouraged the development and acceptance of the legend. Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 8:20 AM To: indology <indology at list.indology.info> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka   Respected Scholars, I had posted this query in the past .May I be excused to raise it once again , as I haven't got any answer to it. I quote from "Dipavamsa" the oldest Pali Chronicle , from Sri Lanka,which goes as follows- "DipAgamanam Buddhassa Dhatu ca Bodhiyagamam" I would like to stress on the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" My question is whether any evidence exists which goes on to prove that Siddharth Gautam Buddha  visited Sri Lanka? Alakendu Das. 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However,it would be interesting to find out the point raised by Prof.Jonathan Silk. Alakendu Das. Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com> Sent: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:34:40 GMT+0530 To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka Perhaps equally relevant is the foundational idea that Buddhism was transmitted to the island by Mahinda, son of the emperor Asoka. Much has been written about this, some of it useful. J Silk On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:27 PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote: Dear Alakendu Das, There is no "proof" of this, but it is certainly a very old and widespread tradition. The important Mah?y?na scripture, the La?k?vat?ras?tra, which dates in its present form to about the early fifth century C.E., is in part based on this tradition, for example, and therefore shows that it must have been current before this time. Perhaps the rapid and successful implantation of Buddhism in Sri Lanka encouraged the development and acceptance of the legend. Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 8:20 AM To: indology <indology at list.indology.info> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka   Respected Scholars, I had posted this query in the past .May I be excused to raise it once again , as I haven't got any answer to it. I quote from "Dipavamsa" the oldest Pali Chronicle , from Sri Lanka,which goes as follows- "DipAgamanam Buddhassa Dhatu ca Bodhiyagamam" I would like to stress on the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" My question is whether any evidence exists which goes on to prove that Siddharth Gautam Buddha  visited Sri Lanka? Alakendu Das. 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URL: From bclough9377 at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 19:01:00 2020 From: bclough9377 at gmail.com (Bradley Clough) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 20 13:01:00 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka In-Reply-To: <1594573928.S.86255.autosave.drafts.1594574141.8760@webmail.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: The same Sri Lankan chronicles that talk about the Buddha?s visit to Sri Lanka would be the main primary sources about Mahinda?s transmission of the Dharma/Dhamma there. And it must be added that these sources also say that Ashoka?s daughter, the nun Sanghamitta, was part of that mission, with her establishing a bhikkunis order just as monk Mahinda established one of bhikkhus. Additionally, this is not ?proof? either, but regarding the Buddha?s alleged visit, many Buddhists believe that the tallest peak in Sri Lanka bears the footprint of his Lankavatara or ?descent onto Lanka? (as in the name of the scripture Matthew mentioned). Hence this mountain is known as Sri Pada or ?Sacred Footprint?. Perhaps unsurprisingly, many Christians maintain that the dent in the rock is not Buddha?s but Adam?s footprint (hence the mountain?s well-known English name), Adam?s Peak), many Hindus believe it Vishnu?s, and if memory serves, many Muslims say it is that of some Sufi saint. Brad Clough On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:48 AM alakendu das via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Thanks everybody for enlightening me on the topic.. However,it would be > interesting to find out the point raised by Prof.Jonathan Silk. > > Alakendu Das. > > > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android > > > > > From: Jonathan Silk > Sent: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:34:40 GMT+0530 > To: Matthew Kapstein > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka > > Perhaps equally relevant is the foundational idea that Buddhism was > transmitted to the island by Mahinda, son of the emperor Asoka. Much has > been written about this, some of it useful. > > J Silk > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:27 PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear Alakendu Das, > > There is no "proof" of this, but it is certainly a very old and widespread > tradition. > The important Mah?y?na scripture, the La?k?vat?ras?tra, which dates in its > present form to about the early fifth century C.E., > is in part based on this tradition, for example, and therefore shows that > it must have been current before this time. > > Perhaps the rapid and successful implantation of Buddhism in Sri Lanka > encouraged the development and acceptance of the legend. > > Matthew Kapstein > Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris > > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, > The University of Chicago > ------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of > alakendu das via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 8:20 AM > *To:* indology > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka > > Respected Scholars, > I had posted this query in the past > .May I be excused to raise it once again , as I haven't got any answer to > it. > I quote from "Dipavamsa" the oldest Pali Chronicle , from Sri Lanka,which > goes as follows- > > "DipAgamanam Buddhassa Dhatu ca Bodhiyagamam" > I would like to stress on the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" > > My question is whether any evidence exists which goes on to prove that > Siddharth Gautam Buddha visited Sri Lanka? > > Alakendu Das. > > > > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where > you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > -- > J. Silk > Leiden University > Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS > Matthias de Vrieshof 3 > , > Room 0.05b > 2311 BZ Leiden > The Netherlands > > copies of my publications may be found at > https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com Mon Jul 13 05:56:24 2020 From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 20 05:56:24 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka Message-ID: <20200713055624.28040.qmail@f4mail-235-96.rediffmail.com> I once again thank Prof.Kapstein,Prof.Jonathan Silk and Prof.Clough for elaborating on this topic, an answer to which I was searching for long.However,I  trying to evaluate the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" ,as found in Dipavamsa.Etymologically the word means, -Dipa=Island                Agamanam=Coming of.                 Buddhassa= Buddha's.which literally translate as-The coming of Buddha to the Island.In this context, I was going through an article written in 1926 by reputed Indian scholar Haraprasad Shastri from where I find that Buddha, during his lifetime, extensively visited the Nepal- bordering Eastern, and Northern part of India.Nothing has been mentioned regarding his visits to Southern peninsular India, or crossing the Bay of Bengal to reach Ceylone(present day Sri Lanka).I am not sure whether any other secondary source existsPrecisely, that is the reason why the word "Buddhassa DipAgamanam " appears intriguing to me . Does it indicate the ?dvent of Buddhism to Lanka?I keep my fingers crossed.because  in that case, the word"Buddhassa"  seems to be out of placeThe arrival  of Emperor Ashoka's son Mahindra and daughter Sanghamitra with 7 nuns happened much later, in 3rd BCE, while Gautam Buddha thrived in 6th BCE. Alakendu Das. Sent from RediffmailNG on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arfalques at cantab.net Mon Jul 13 07:30:33 2020 From: arfalques at cantab.net (=?utf-8?Q?Aleix_Ruiz_Falqu=C3=A9s?=) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 20 09:30:33 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Fundamentals_of_anuv=E1=B9=9Btti_PDF?= Message-ID: Dear list, I wonder if someone could share a pdf of Joshi & Bhate, The Fundamentals of anuv?tti. Pune, 1984. Many thanks in advance! 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Best, Klaus ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Bradley Clough via INDOLOGY Sent: 12 July 2020 22:01 To: alakendu das Cc: indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka The same Sri Lankan chronicles that talk about the Buddha?s visit to Sri Lanka would be the main primary sources about Mahinda?s transmission of the Dharma/Dhamma there. And it must be added that these sources also say that Ashoka?s daughter, the nun Sanghamitta, was part of that mission, with her establishing a bhikkunis order just as monk Mahinda established one of bhikkhus. Additionally, this is not ?proof? either, but regarding the Buddha?s alleged visit, many Buddhists believe that the tallest peak in Sri Lanka bears the footprint of his Lankavatara or ?descent onto Lanka? (as in the name of the scripture Matthew mentioned). Hence this mountain is known as Sri Pada or ?Sacred Footprint?. Perhaps unsurprisingly, many Christians maintain that the dent in the rock is not Buddha?s but Adam?s footprint (hence the mountain?s well-known English name), Adam?s Peak), many Hindus believe it Vishnu?s, and if memory serves, many Muslims say it is that of some Sufi saint. Brad Clough On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:48 AM alakendu das via INDOLOGY > wrote: Thanks everybody for enlightening me on the topic.. However,it would be interesting to find out the point raised by Prof.Jonathan Silk. Alakendu Das. Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Jonathan Silk > Sent: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 22:34:40 GMT+0530 To: Matthew Kapstein > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka Perhaps equally relevant is the foundational idea that Buddhism was transmitted to the island by Mahinda, son of the emperor Asoka. Much has been written about this, some of it useful. J Silk On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:27 PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Alakendu Das, There is no "proof" of this, but it is certainly a very old and widespread tradition. The important Mah?y?na scripture, the La?k?vat?ras?tra, which dates in its present form to about the early fifth century C.E., is in part based on this tradition, for example, and therefore shows that it must have been current before this time. Perhaps the rapid and successful implantation of Buddhism in Sri Lanka encouraged the development and acceptance of the legend. Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of alakendu das via INDOLOGY > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 8:20 AM To: indology > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka Respected Scholars, I had posted this query in the past .May I be excused to raise it once again , as I haven't got any answer to it. I quote from "Dipavamsa" the oldest Pali Chronicle , from Sri Lanka,which goes as follows- "DipAgamanam Buddhassa Dhatu ca Bodhiyagamam" I would like to stress on the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" My question is whether any evidence exists which goes on to prove that Siddharth Gautam Buddha visited Sri Lanka? Alakendu Das. 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URL: From bclough9377 at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:59:30 2020 From: bclough9377 at gmail.com (Bradley Clough) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 20 07:59:30 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka In-Reply-To: <20200713055624.28040.qmail@f4mail-235-96.rediffmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, the matter of Mahinda's mission to Sri Lanka is a separate one, to at least some extent, from the "coming of the Buddha" to the island of Sri Lanka as described in the Dipavamsa. I suppose some of Alakendu's (if I may) questions could begin to be answered by consulting the text of the Dipavamsa itself, which is available here (in Pali and Hermann Oldenberg's English translation): https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/Texts-and-Translations/Dipavamsa/index.htm It describes the Buddha making several visits to (Sri) Lanka, by means of the supernormal powers he has attained through meditation. The primary reason is said to be destruction of various demonic forces there, so that the doctrine and path may be established there. The Buddha also predicts the eventual arrival of Mahinda's mission, so this is where that event ties in. As I understood your initial question, Alakendu (again, if I may), you were asking if there is any "proof" of these visits besides this textual account. I think it is safe to say that the scholarly consensus is "no". However, I suppose there are scholars--and here we get into interesting and important (at least to me!) issues of etic versus emic perspectives and modern scholarship's attitudes towards the "miraculous"--for whom the textual accounts and phenomenon like the supposed "footprint" on Sri Pada/Adam's Peak would constitute some kind of valid evidence. Brad Clough On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:57 PM alakendu das via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I once again thank Prof.Kapstein,Prof.Jonathan Silk and Prof.Clough for > elaborating on this topic, an answer to which I was searching for long. > However,I trying to evaluate the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" ,as found in > Dipavamsa.Etymologically the word means, -Dipa=Island > Agamanam=Coming of. > Buddhassa= Buddha's. > which literally translate as-The coming of Buddha to the Island. > In this context, I was going through an article written in 1926 by reputed > Indian scholar Haraprasad Shastri from where I find that Buddha, during his > lifetime, extensively visited the Nepal- bordering Eastern, and Northern > part of India.Nothing has been mentioned regarding his visits to Southern > peninsular India, or crossing the Bay of Bengal to reach Ceylone(present > day Sri Lanka).I am not sure whether any other secondary source exists > Precisely, that is the reason why the word "Buddhassa DipAgamanam " > appears intriguing to me . Does it indicate the ?dvent of Buddhism to > Lanka?I keep my fingers crossed. > because in that case, the word"Buddhassa" seems to be out of place > The arrival of Emperor Ashoka's son Mahindra and daughter Sanghamitra > with 7 nuns happened much later, in 3rd BCE, while Gautam Buddha thrived in > 6th BCE. > > Alakendu Das. > > > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com Mon Jul 13 14:35:45 2020 From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 20 14:35:45 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka Message-ID: <1594650273.S.69064.autosave.drafts.1594650945.23677@webmail.rediffmail.com> Dr.Clough,Thank you very much . In fact, I too got the impression (after going through Haraprasad Shastri's 1926 article) that it is difficult to find evidences of Buddha Physically setting his foot on Lankan soil , except focussing our studies under the category"Miraculous"....to believe more on the" virtual" rather than on "Actual" RegardsAlakendu Das. Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Bradley Clough <bclough9377 at gmail.com> Sent: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 19:29:46 GMT+0530 To: alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Buddha's visit to Lanka Yes, the matter of Mahinda's mission to Sri Lanka is a separate one, to at least some extent, from the  "coming of the Buddha" to the island of Sri Lanka as described in the Dipavamsa. I suppose some of Alakendu's (if I may) questions could begin to be answered by consulting the text of the Dipavamsa itself, which is available here (in Pali and Hermann Oldenberg's English translation): https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/Texts-and-Translations/Dipavamsa/index.htm It describes the Buddha making several visits to (Sri) Lanka, by means of the supernormal powers he has attained through meditation. The primary reason is said to be destruction of various demonic forces there, so that the doctrine and path may be established there. The Buddha also predicts the eventual arrival of Mahinda's mission, so this is where that event ties in. As I understood your initial question, Alakendu (again, if I may), you were asking if there is any "proof" of these visits besides this textual account. I think it is safe to say that the scholarly consensus is "no". However, I suppose there are scholars--and here we get into interesting and important (at least to me!) issues of etic versus emic perspectives and modern scholarship's attitudes towards the "miraculous"--for whom the textual accounts and phenomenon like the supposed "footprint" on Sri Pada/Adam's Peak would constitute some kind of valid evidence. Brad Clough On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:57 PM alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote: I once again thank Prof.Kapstein,Prof.Jonathan Silk and Prof.Clough for elaborating on this topic, an answer to which I was searching for long.However,I  trying to evaluate the word"DipAgamanam Buddhassa" ,as found in Dipavamsa.Etymologically the word means, -Dipa=Island                Agamanam=Coming of.                 Buddhassa= Buddha's.which literally translate as-The coming of Buddha to the Island.In this context, I was going through an article written in 1926 by reputed Indian scholar Haraprasad Shastri from where I find that Buddha, during his lifetime, extensively visited the Nepal- bordering Eastern, and Northern part of India.Nothing has been mentioned regarding his visits to Southern peninsular India, or crossing the Bay of Bengal to reach Ceylone(present day Sri Lanka).I am not sure whether any other secondary source existsPrecisely, that is the reason why the word "Buddhassa DipAgamanam " appears intriguing to me . 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URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Tue Jul 14 14:11:35 2020 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 20 14:11:35 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] two guides published by the DHARMA project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear friends, Arlo's post leads me to ask: has no one prepared a good, clear guide to using Indic languages in TeX? best regards, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:28 PM To: INDOLOGY Subject: [INDOLOGY] two guides published by the DHARMA project Dear colleagues, Allow me to draw the attention of those among you interested in the use of TEI and in issues of romanization to the following two publications of the DHARMA project: DHARMA Encoding Guide for Diplomatic Editions https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/DHARMA/halshs-02888186 DHARMA Transliteration Guide https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/DHARMA/halshs-02272407 A companion Encoding Guide for Critical Editions is currently being drafted. 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I suppose it's not exactly the right question for Indologists, but given the wide range of expertise among the subscribers to this list, I'd thought I'd give it a try. Many thanks in advance, and best regards, Birgit Kellner -- --- Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner Direktorin Institut f?r Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften Hollandstra?e 11-13/2 1020 Wien ?sterreich Director Institute for Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia Austrian Academy of Sciences Hollandstrasse 11-13/2 1020 Vienna Austria Phone: +43-(1)-51581-6420 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It evolved into a ?cursive? script by the 9th century. Similar to its sister Sogdian, which was used along the Silk Road. Regards, Suresh. On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:39 AM Birgit Kellner via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > a colleague from the Academy sent me the attached image with a script > they can't identify. This is a page from a 17th century marriage > register from the western parts of today's Austria. The Latin text on > the page refers to a classical bible passage for the instruction of > married couples (Ephesians 5:29). The mysterious script is not Semitic > or Slawic, not Georgian or Armenian, not Coptic or some ancient > derivative of the Greek alphabet. > > Does anyone have an idea? I suppose it's not exactly the right question > for Indologists, but given the wide range of expertise among the > subscribers to this list, I'd thought I'd give it a try. > > Many thanks in advance, and best regards, > > Birgit Kellner > > -- > --- > Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner > Direktorin > Institut f?r Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens > ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften > Hollandstra?e 11-13/2 > 1020 Wien > ?sterreich > > Director > Institute for Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia > Austrian Academy of Sciences > Hollandstrasse 11-13/2 > 1020 Vienna > Austria > > Phone: +43-(1)-51581-6420 > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The mysterious script is not Semitic > or Slawic, not Georgian or Armenian, not Coptic or some ancient > derivative of the Greek alphabet. > > Does anyone have an idea? I suppose it's not exactly the right question > for Indologists, but given the wide range of expertise among the > subscribers to this list, I'd thought I'd give it a try. > > Many thanks in advance, and best regards, > > Birgit Kellner > > -- > --- > Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner > Direktorin > Institut f?r Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens > ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften > Hollandstra?e 11-13/2 > 1020 Wien > ?sterreich > > Director > Institute for Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia > Austrian Academy of Sciences > Hollandstrasse 11-13/2 > 1020 Vienna > Austria > > Phone: +43-(1)-51581-6420 > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistinfo.indology.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C38a42f95e47647de438b08d82803c039%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637303343862046687&sdata=nkLMRoH0xp8b1Qcx7Ue96FfPiELhIt7rKXR%2FwFHL%2BeQ%3D&reserved=0 (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? 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Which means that, in our topsy-turvy coronavirus world, online > higher education has abruptly gone from down-market and sometimes > disreputable to a privilege reserved for the elite few. In 2020, only > the best and the brightest will be allowed to not go to college. ..." > > > > Best, Richard > > > -- > > Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica > > Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ > T: +64 3 312 1699 M: +64 210 640 216 > IM: @rmahoney https://t.me/rmahoney > rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.com > > https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY > Reply-To: Dan Lusthaus > To: Rosane Rocher > Cc: indology at list.indology.info > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Overseas students and online teaching (US) > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 19:03:45 -0400 > Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) > X-Spam-Score: 0.0 > > Many of us know students in similar straits. Schools have been working on > various ways of threading a difficult needle that will address for the Fall > semester student, faculty, and staff safety on one hand, provide quality > education on the other, and satisfy the financial bottom line, all at the > same time. The new federal rules have certainly made that more difficult. > Students on campus is a recipe for spreading the disease - that has been > demonstrated, including recent outbreaks in Seatle, etc. Hybrid mode will > include many remote learning courses (the details as to which parts of the > curriculum will be online, in-person, or even a hybid classroom in which an > in-class session is simultaneously including remote learning enrolled > students, perhaps with a trained student monitor to keep the two sides > interacting, is still being worked out in some schools), which will mean > that students will have to find at least one in-class course to take to > retain their visa, regardless of relevance or interest. > > For many years, students in Korea studied English from early grades on, > many with the hope of attending higher education in the US. In more recent > years, there has been a shift toward studying Chinese instead of English, > many Koreans are now studying in Chinese universities rather than US. Many > Chinese students are starting to consider whether bothering to study in the > US is worth it at all. Many schools have encouraged large Chinese > enrollments for financial reasons. My wife teaches Japanese at Boston > University - most of the students studying Japanese there are Chinese, so > there is some concern that the long term future of the program itself might > be endangered by Trump?s xenophobia. > > Clearly, instead of stabilizing things during the unavoidable > uncertainties of a pandemic, he has just increased the uncertainties, while > pushing everyone to take the least safe course of action. Meanwhile he just > formally began the process of withdrawing from WHO. Wherever he?s turned > his attention, he has been a force for destruction and death, from the > environment, to federal agencies, to corruption, to disease management. > > Dan > > On Jul 7, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Regulation #3 affects students at institutions that adopt the hybrid mode, > who are already in the US. I think of one of my neighbors, a member of the > youthful squad who have volunteered to run critical errands for the elderly > who are most at risk in this pandemic among some 1000 residents in our > building. She is about to enter into the final year of the doctoral program > of Penn?s Wharton School of Business. Penn has chosen a hybrid mode of > instruction, details of which are being worked out. Her first priority may > have to be finding a course that is taught in person instead of what is > most relevant for her dissertation and/or her career plans, in this last > shot at academic education. I think also of Penn?s International Student > and Scholar Services who may have to deflect from their role of helping > vast numbers of international students navigate an unfamiliar environment, > in order to monitor each international student?s roster against a list of > courses taught in person and attest that each is in compliance with ICE > regulations. Such a level of detail and of intrusion in educational > planning would reek of bureaucratic harassment. I cannot see how kicking my > young friend out of the country might contribute to mitigating Covid > contagion and/or reinvigorating the American economy. She is not an > Indologist, but she is a living representative of the international flow of > scholarship that this list so demonstrably fosters. I guess I will just get > her another box of blueberries, her comfort food. > > > > Rosane > > > On 7/6/20 6:33 PM, Dan Lusthaus wrote: > > The new ICE regulation is aimed at schools that will be entirely online > with no in-class instruction. > > ?1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating entirely > online may not take a full online course load and remain in the United > States.? > > > ?3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid > model?that is, a mixture of online and in person classes?will be allowed to > take more than one class or three credit hours online. These schools must > certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, ?Certificate of Eligibility for > Nonimmigrant Student Status,? certifying that the program is not entirely > online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this > semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online > classes required to make normal progress in their degree program. The above > exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in English language training > programs or M-1 students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted > to enroll in any online courses.? > > A list of what 800+ schools are currently planning for the Fall is > compiled and avaiable on the Chronicle of Higher Education website. > https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626?cid=cp275 (click > the arrow to move to the next page - the list, not the top text, changes). > Schools that plan to go completely online include the Cal State schools, > but most schools seem to be considering a hybrid semester or quarter. > > Dan > > On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I tend to believe that the intent is to force universities to re-open in > spite of the continuing Covid crisis, which Trump claims has been > palliated. > > Rosane > > On 7/6/20 6:05 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: > > From what I have seen, I assume this is Trumpian, and related to the > restrictions to H1B visas (which most foreign academics come in on): > > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html > > There was debate at one point that non-commercial organisations such as > universities would be excluded from this ban; but they are now in it, as > far as I know. > > A step leading up to those restrictions was that the government got rid of > expedited processing for H1Bs (for a fee, a reply within a period of a few > weeks was guaranteed - which often was the only way to get a foreign > academic into the US in time for them to start their work on time/at the > beginning of the semester). > > Not a good time, neither for people nor institutions. > > --Antonia > > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 23:53, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Thank you for alerting us to this, Patricia. Do you have a sense of > whether this is COVID-19-related, or just more Trumpian BS? > > All the best, > Jeff > > Dr. Jeffery D. Long > Professor of Religion & Asian Studies > Elizabethtown College > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Monday, July 6, 2020, 5:26 PM, Rosane Rocher via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > This is insane. > > Rosane Rocher > > On 7/6/20 3:28 PM, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: > > I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone teaching in the US this > autumn. > > The US government has made changes to its overseas student visa rules. > Overseas students may now no longer remain in the US if their universities > operate entirely online. They either must leave the country or transfer to > a school with in-person instruction. > https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during > > Best wishes, > > Patricia > > -- > Patricia Sauthoff > (she/her/they/them) > Postdoctoral Fellow > AyurYog.org > Department of History and Classics > University of Alberta > Edmonton, Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info > (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info > (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > -- > Dr Antonia Ruppel > cambridge-sanskrit.org > > allthingssanskrit.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info > (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info > (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > -->_______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info > (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info > (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Patricia Sauthoff (she/her/they/them) Postdoctoral Fellow AyurYog.org Department of History and Classics University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu Tue Jul 14 22:28:07 2020 From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 20 22:28:07 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kerala Advaita mathas Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I am looking for suggestions on reliable studies of the Advaita mathas in Kerala, traditionally considered to have been established by Sankara himself, with a focus on their history. Many thanks in advance, Aleksandar Aleksandar Uskokov Lector in Sanskrit South Asian Studies Council, Yale University 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From birgit.kellner at oeaw.ac.at Wed Jul 15 06:10:18 2020 From: birgit.kellner at oeaw.ac.at (Birgit Kellner) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 20 08:10:18 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Strange script In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0c3390777a46fd49d149e567d614dd9907628c80.camel@oeaw.ac.at> Thank you, this is very helpful. With best regards, Birgit Kellner Am Dienstag, den 14.07.2020, 18:21 +0200 schrieb Christophe Vielle: > Following my learned colleague Herman Seldeslachts, this is Tironian > notes > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tironian_notes > https://archive.org/details/introductionala00chatgoog > > > > Le 14 juil. 2020 ? 16:38, Birgit Kellner via INDOLOGY < > > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > a colleague from the Academy sent me the attached image with a > > script > > they can't identify. This is a page from a 17th century marriage > > register from the western parts of today's Austria. The Latin text > > on > > the page refers to a classical bible passage for the instruction of > > married couples (Ephesians 5:29). The mysterious script is not > > Semitic > > or Slawic, not Georgian or Armenian, not Coptic or some ancient > > derivative of the Greek alphabet. > > > > Does anyone have an idea? I suppose it's not exactly the right > > question > > for Indologists, but given the wide range of expertise among the > > subscribers to this list, I'd thought I'd give it a try. > > > > Many thanks in advance, and best regards, > > > > Birgit Kellner > > > > -- > > --- > > Prof. Dr. Birgit Kellner > > Direktorin > > Institut f?r Kultur- und Geistesgeschichte Asiens > > ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften > > Hollandstra?e 11-13/2 > > 1020 Wien > > ?sterreich > > > > Director > > Institute for Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia > > Austrian Academy of Sciences > > Hollandstrasse 11-13/2 > > 1020 Vienna > > Austria > > > > Phone: +43-(1)-51581-6420 > > > > ___________________________________________ > > ____ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > committee) > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistinfo.indology.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C38a42f95e47647de438b08d82803c039%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637303343862046687&sdata=nkLMRoH0xp8b1Qcx7Ue96FfPiELhIt7rKXR%2FwFHL%2BeQ%3D&reserved=0 (where you can change your list options or > > unsubscribe) > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > > From walter.slaje at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 07:00:34 2020 From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 20 09:00:34 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kerala Advaita mathas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recommend Yoshitsugu Sawai, The Faith of Ascetics and Lay Sm?rtas. A Study of the ?a?karan Tradition of ???geri. Vienna 1992. (Publications of the De Nobili Research Library. XIX). Reagrds, WS Am Mi., 15. Juli 2020 um 00:28 Uhr schrieb Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY : > Dear colleagues, > > I am looking for suggestions on reliable studies of the Advaita mathas in > Kerala, traditionally considered to have been established by Sankara > himself, with a focus on their history. > > Many thanks in advance, > Aleksandar > > Aleksandar Uskokov > > Lector in Sanskrit > > South Asian Studies Council, Yale University > > 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Wed Jul 15 07:43:51 2020 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 20 09:43:51 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kerala Advaita mathas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <088669F3-3AD5-4B19-B48B-B11930ED35B7@uclouvain.be> See on the topic the recent field-studies by Olga Nowicka (Jagiellonian University, Krako?w), preparing her Ph.D.: ? "Conquering the World, Subduing the Minds: S?an?kara?s Digvijaya in the Local Context", Cracow Indological Studies 18, 2016, pp. 145-166. (available online) ? "Vedic Ritualism and Advaita Veda?nta Monastic Institutions in Kerala", Studia Religiologica, vol. 50/2, 2017 (not seen) ? "In the Footsteps of S?an?kara: Mapping a Pan-India Digvijaya in the local space of Kerala", In: Polish Contributions to South Asian Studies, ed. Danuta Stasik, Warszawa, Dom Wydawniczy ELIPSA, 2017, pp. 60-69. (not seen) ? Local Advaita Ved?nta Monastic Tradition in Kerala: Locating, mapping, networking", The Polish Journal of the Arts and Culture, New Series 9, 2019 https://www.academia.edu/42286751/Local_Advaita_Ved?nta_Monastic_Tradition_in_Kerala_Locating_mapping_networking ? Her paper at the IIGRS in Ghent in September 2017 (see abstract below) was unfortunately not published in the Proceedings (see Pu?pik?, vol. 5: Tracing Ancient India Through Texts and Traditions: Contributions to Current Research in Indology, ed. Heleen De Jonckheere, Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse and Agnieszka Rostalska, Oxford ? Philadelphia: Oxbow Books) The Great S?an?karabrahma?nanda: 20th Century Hagiography of a Malayali Sam?nya?si? Olga Nowicka, PhD Candidate, Jagiellonian University, Krako?w S?an?karabrahma?nandavila?sam composed by A?lattur Anujan Nambudirippad (1882-1943) is a hagiographic text composed, as author states himself, in Man?iprava?lam, a literary style used in medieval liturgical texts in Kerala which used an admixture of Malayalam and Sanskrit. The work narrates a life story of a Trichur Thekke Mat?ham?s (?Southern Mat?ham?) Sva?miya?r (i.e. head of a monastic institution) named S?an?karabrahma?nanda who was said to be born in Kira?n?n?a?t?t?u Mana. As the Thekke Mat?ham parampara? list enumerates few Swamiya?rs of that name, it is still uncertain to which individual the story relates. The author of the composition was born in 1882 in A?lattur Mana near Wadakkancherry in Trichur District (central Kerala) as the son of A?lattur Janardanan Nambudirippad. His real name was Krishnan and he studied Vedas and Sanskrit in the traditional way in gurukula ? possibly in Vadakke Mat?ham Brahmaswam of Trichur what could explain his familiarity with the Trichur monastic tradition. He was considered to be proficient in prose as well as in poetry. One of his major works was a historical novel Ra?n?i? Gan?ga?dhara? Laks?mi?. The poem S?an?karabrahma?nandavila?sam by A?lattur Anujan Nambudirippad is an eulogy (comprising 326 stanzas) of S?an?karabrahma?nanda ? a sam?nya?si? of the Keralan Advaita Veda?nta monastic tradition. The text is a unique record of the Advaita Veda?nta ascetic?s life in the beginning of the twentieth century Kerala. It gives detailed description of the pu?rva?s?rama life of S?an?karabrahma?nanda, his di?ks?a? ceremony, quotidian ritualistic routine, funeral rites etc. but it also shows the recognition and standing of a Nambudiri sam?nya?si? within the local community. In this paper, I intend to present a closer perspective on the regional Advaita Veda?nta monastic tradition in Kerala in the early twentieth century by analyzing selected portions from the text S?an?karabrahma?nandavila?sam. > Le 15 juil. 2020 ? 09:00, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > > I recommend Yoshitsugu Sawai, The Faith of Ascetics and Lay Sm?rtas. A Study of the ?a?karan Tradition of ???geri. > Vienna 1992. (Publications of the De Nobili Research Library. XIX). > > Reagrds, > WS > > > Am Mi., 15. Juli 2020 um 00:28 Uhr schrieb Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY >: > Dear colleagues, > > I am looking for suggestions on reliable studies of the Advaita mathas in Kerala, traditionally considered to have been established by Sankara himself, with a focus on their history. > > Many thanks in advance, > Aleksandar > > Aleksandar Uskokov > Lector in Sanskrit > South Asian Studies Council, Yale University > 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistinfo.indology.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cf898aabb4f404a60ba4e08d8288cf5ee%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637303933169244241&sdata=g8L46%2B%2FaUPFj7FrcW0YUZ5fncxOFm%2FSBWm5i6D0eX9E%3D&reserved=0 (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? 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Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Jul 2020, at 08:46, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY wrote: > > ? > Dear All > > An old message from John Smith sent to the Indology listserv and preserved in the archive reads: > > "The fonts are at http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk: follow the "fonts" > link, then the "induni" link." > > But when I enter the mentioned URL > http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk > into my browser, > what opens is this page > https://simcast.com/?d=parrz.com&s=fallback > with a picture of Narendra Modi. > > Do others get the same? > > Yours Alex > -- > Alex Watson > Professor of Indian Philosophy > Ashoka University > https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From will at tending.to Wed Jul 15 10:18:48 2020 From: will at tending.to (Prof. W Tuladhar-Douglas) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 20 11:18:48 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk --> simcast In-Reply-To: <5A17106C-4664-4382-BEA0-26794F165FDB@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <235CEA58-4240-4E4D-89A7-B2AAD159112D@tending.to> Dear Alex and all, I just did a DNS check (dig oriental.cam.ac.uk ), and neither bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk nor indeed oriental.cam.ac.uk apparently still exist. >From Scotland, neither site pulls up a web page either. Alex, you may be getting DNS poisoning within India. Do you have the tools to work out what DNS is handling your request for John Smith's old site? What were you looking for? I have a few of the older fonts still around (and others - Somdev? - may as well). Be well, ?WBTD. - - -- --- ----- -------- ------------- Will Tuladhar-Douglas Email: will at tending.to Blog: Tending to blether Research Fellow, Hamburg University Situgyan Consulting Ltd. > On 15 Jul 2020, at 09:54, Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > I got ?Safari cannot open the page because the server cannot be found?. > > Valerie J Roebuck > Manchester, UK > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 15 Jul 2020, at 08:46, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> ? >> Dear All >> >> An old message from John Smith sent to the Indology listserv and preserved in the archive reads: >> >> "The fonts are at http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk : follow the "fonts" >> link, then the "induni" link." >> >> But when I enter the mentioned URL >> http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk >> into my browser, >> what opens is this page >> https://simcast.com/?d=parrz.com&s=fallback >> with a picture of Narendra Modi. >> >> Do others get the same? >> >> Yours Alex >> -- >> Alex Watson >> Professor of Indian Philosophy >> Ashoka University >> https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org Wed Jul 15 10:35:57 2020 From: rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 20 22:35:57 +1200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk --> simcast In-Reply-To: <235CEA58-4240-4E4D-89A7-B2AAD159112D@tending.to> Message-ID: <32797a284f57eb41306c5242cb29865cdaf7b306.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org> Dear All, Is this what you're after? https://bombay.indology.info/ and: https://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/induni/index.html Best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: Prof. W Tuladhar-Douglas via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> Reply-To: Prof. W Tuladhar-Douglas To: INDOLOGY Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk --> simcast Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:18:48 +0100 Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 Dear Alex and all, I just did a DNS check (dig oriental.cam.ac.uk), and neither bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk nor indeed oriental.cam.ac.uk apparently still exist. >From Scotland, neither site pulls up a web page either. Alex, you may be getting DNS poisoning within India. Do you have the tools to work out what DNS is handling your request for John Smith's old site? What were you looking for? I have a few of the older fonts still around (and others - Somdev? - may as well). Be well, ?WBTD. - - -- --- ----- -------- ------------- Will Tuladhar-Douglas Email: will at tending.to Blog: Tending to blether Research Fellow, Hamburg University Situgyan Consulting Ltd. > On 15 Jul 2020, at 09:54, Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > I got ?Safari cannot open the page because the server cannot be > found?. > Valerie J Roebuck > Manchester, UK > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 15 Jul 2020, at 08:46, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY < > > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > > ?Dear All > > > > An old message from John Smith sent to the Indology listserv and > > preserved in the archive reads: > > > > "The fonts are at http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk: follow the > > "fonts" > > link, then the "induni" link." > > > > But when I enter the mentioned URL > > http://bombay.oriental.cam.ac.uk > > into my browser, > > what opens is this page > > https://simcast.com/?d=parrz.com&s=fallback > > with a picture of Narendra Modi. > > > > Do others get the same? > > > > Yours Alex > > -- > > Alex Watson > > Professor of Indian Philosophy > > Ashoka University > > https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > > options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZT: +64 3 312 1699 M: +64 210 640 216IM: @rmahoney https://t.me/rmahoneyrmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu Wed Jul 15 12:59:56 2020 From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 20 12:59:56 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kerala Advaita mathas In-Reply-To: <088669F3-3AD5-4B19-B48B-B11930ED35B7@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: Dear Walter and Christophe, Many thanks for your suggestions. Best wishes. Aleksandar Aleksandar Uskokov Lector in Sanskrit South Asian Studies Council, Yale University 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu ________________________________ From: Christophe Vielle Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 3:43 AM To: Uskokov, Aleksandar Cc: indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Kerala Advaita mathas See on the topic the recent field-studies by Olga Nowicka (Jagiellonian University, Krako?w), preparing her Ph.D.: ? "Conquering the World, Subduing the Minds: S?an?kara?s Digvijaya in the Local Context", Cracow Indological Studies 18, 2016, pp. 145-166. (available online) ? "Vedic Ritualism and Advaita Veda?nta Monastic Institutions in Kerala", Studia Religiologica, vol. 50/2, 2017 (not seen) ? "In the Footsteps of S?an?kara: Mapping a Pan-India Digvijaya in the local space of Kerala", In: Polish Contributions to South Asian Studies, ed. Danuta Stasik, Warszawa, Dom Wydawniczy ELIPSA, 2017, pp. 60-69. (not seen) ? Local Advaita Ved?nta Monastic Tradition in Kerala: Locating, mapping, networking", The Polish Journal of the Arts and Culture, New Series 9, 2019 https://www.academia.edu/42286751/Local_Advaita_Ved?nta_Monastic_Tradition_in_Kerala_Locating_mapping_networking ? Her paper at the IIGRS in Ghent in September 2017 (see abstract below) was unfortunately not published in the Proceedings (see Pu?pik?, vol. 5: Tracing Ancient India Through Texts and Traditions: Contributions to Current Research in Indology, ed. Heleen De Jonckheere, Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse and Agnieszka Rostalska, Oxford ? Philadelphia: Oxbow Books) The Great S?an?karabrahma?nanda: 20th Century Hagiography of a Malayali Sam?nya?si? Olga Nowicka, PhD Candidate, Jagiellonian University, Krako?w S?an?karabrahma?nandavila?sam composed by A?lattur Anujan Nambudirippad (1882-1943) is a hagiographic text composed, as author states himself, in Man?iprava?lam, a literary style used in medieval liturgical texts in Kerala which used an admixture of Malayalam and Sanskrit. The work narrates a life story of a Trichur Thekke Mat?ham?s (?Southern Mat?ham?) Sva?miya?r (i.e. head of a monastic institution) named S?an?karabrahma?nanda who was said to be born in Kira?n?n?a?t?t?u Mana. As the Thekke Mat?ham parampara? list enumerates few Swamiya?rs of that name, it is still uncertain to which individual the story relates. The author of the composition was born in 1882 in A?lattur Mana near Wadakkancherry in Trichur District (central Kerala) as the son of A?lattur Janardanan Nambudirippad. His real name was Krishnan and he studied Vedas and Sanskrit in the traditional way in gurukula ? possibly in Vadakke Mat?ham Brahmaswam of Trichur what could explain his familiarity with the Trichur monastic tradition. He was considered to be proficient in prose as well as in poetry. One of his major works was a historical novel Ra?n?i? Gan?ga?dhara? Laks?mi?. The poem S?an?karabrahma?nandavila?sam by A?lattur Anujan Nambudirippad is an eulogy (comprising 326 stanzas) of S?an?karabrahma?nanda ? a sam?nya?si? of the Keralan Advaita Veda?nta monastic tradition. The text is a unique record of the Advaita Veda?nta ascetic?s life in the beginning of the twentieth century Kerala. It gives detailed description of the pu?rva?s?rama life of S?an?karabrahma?nanda, his di?ks?a? ceremony, quotidian ritualistic routine, funeral rites etc. but it also shows the recognition and standing of a Nambudiri sam?nya?si? within the local community. In this paper, I intend to present a closer perspective on the regional Advaita Veda?nta monastic tradition in Kerala in the early twentieth century by analyzing selected portions from the text S?an?karabrahma?nandavila?sam. Le 15 juil. 2020 ? 09:00, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : I recommend Yoshitsugu Sawai, The Faith of Ascetics and Lay Sm?rtas. A Study of the ?a?karan Tradition of ???geri. Vienna 1992. (Publications of the De Nobili Research Library. XIX). Reagrds, WS Am Mi., 15. Juli 2020 um 00:28 Uhr schrieb Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY >: Dear colleagues, I am looking for suggestions on reliable studies of the Advaita mathas in Kerala, traditionally considered to have been established by Sankara himself, with a focus on their history. Many thanks in advance, Aleksandar Aleksandar Uskokov Lector in Sanskrit South Asian Studies Council, Yale University 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistinfo.indology.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cf898aabb4f404a60ba4e08d8288cf5ee%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637303933169244241&sdata=g8L46%2B%2FaUPFj7FrcW0YUZ5fncxOFm%2FSBWm5i6D0eX9E%3D&reserved=0 (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? 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Mrinal Kaul ------ *Mrinal Kaul*, Ph.D. Assistant Professor - Manipal Centre for Humanities (MCH) Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS) Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex Alevoor Road, Manipal (Udupi) 576 104 Karnataka, INDIA Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567 https://mrinalkaul.academia.edu/ email: mrinal.kaul@ stx.oxon.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 17:41:22 2020 From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 20 23:11:22 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Searching for a paper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to Dr Suhas Mahesh who kindly shared a PDF of the article I was looking for. Thanks and best wishes. Mrinal ------ *Mrinal Kaul*, Ph.D. Assistant Professor - Manipal Centre for Humanities (MCH) Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS) Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex Alevoor Road, Manipal (Udupi) 576 104 Karnataka, INDIA Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567 https://mrinalkaul.academia.edu/ email: mrinal.kaul@ stx.oxon.org On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 21:51, Mrinal Kaul wrote: > Dear Friends, > > One of our doctoral students is looking for the following paper. Would > someone happen to have a PDF copy? I should be grateful if you can share > a copy with me. > > Desai, F. A. ?The Story of Nala-Damayanti as told by Faidi and its > Comparison with the Original Sanskrit Version? *Journal of the Oriental > Institute**, *Baroda*,* 8, no. 1 and 2 (1958): pp. 81-96 and 183-196. > > > Thanks in advance. > > Mrinal Kaul > ------ > *Mrinal Kaul*, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor - Manipal Centre for Humanities (MCH) > Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS) > Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex > Alevoor Road, Manipal (Udupi) 576 104 > Karnataka, INDIA > Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567 > https://mrinalkaul.academia.edu/ > email: mrinal.kaul@ stx.oxon.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely, John ______________________________ John Nemec, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Indian Religions and South Asian Studies Editor, Religion in Translation Series (Oxford University Press) 323 Gibson Hall / 1540 Jefferson Park Avenue Department of Religious Studies University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 434-924-6716 nemec at virginia.edu https://virginia.academia.edu/JNemec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Jul 15 20:02:50 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 20 13:02:50 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ad=E1=B9=9B=E1=B9=A3=E1=B9=ADa_in_Vai=C5=9Be=E1=B9=A3ikas=C5=ABtra=3F?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear John, A student of mine, Allen Merkrebs Hillel, completed a PhD dissertation at the University of Michigan in 1977 on the topic of "The Concept of Adr???a in Vai?e?ika Philosophy, As an Explanation for the Law of Karma." It is available from ProQuest Dissertations and Theses. If you don't have access to it, let me know. With best wishes, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:42 PM Nemec, John William (jwn3y) via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Indologists, > > > I have tried to secure access to the following article with no luck from > the usual resources. Might anyone have a copy of the following that they > would be willing to share with me? I would be most grateful. > > > A. Wezler (1983), "A note on the Concept of *ad???a* as used in the > *Vai?e?ikas?tra*," in B. DATTA, U.C. SHARMA & N.J. VYAS (eds.), *Aru?a-Bh?rat?. > Professor A.N. Jani Felicitation Volume (Essays in Contemporary Indological > Research)*. 35-58. Baroda: Viveka Publications. > > > Sincerely, > > John > > ______________________________ > John Nemec, Ph.D. > Associate Professor, Indian Religions and South Asian Studies > Editor, Religion in Translation Series (Oxford University Press) > 323 Gibson Hall / 1540 Jefferson Park Avenue > Department of Religious Studies > University of Virginia > Charlottesville, VA 22904 > 434-924-6716 > nemec at virginia.edu > https://virginia.academia.edu/JNemec > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would be most grateful. A. Wezler (1983), "A note on the Concept of ad???a as used in the Vai?e?ikas?tra," in B. DATTA, U.C. SHARMA & N.J. VYAS (eds.), Aru?a-Bh?rat?. Professor A.N. Jani Felicitation Volume (Essays in Contemporary Indological Research). 35-58. Baroda: Viveka Publications. Sincerely, John ______________________________ John Nemec, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Indian Religions and South Asian Studies Editor, Religion in Translation Series (Oxford University Press) 323 Gibson Hall / 1540 Jefferson Park Avenue Department of Religious Studies University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 434-924-6716 nemec at virginia.edu https://virginia.academia.edu/JNemec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The main focus of these three volumes is to show how an attitude which can be labelled as strictly vegetarian came into existence in Indian Mah?y?na Buddhism and how it manifested in three important texts of the Mah?y?na: the Mah?parinirv??a-, the A?gulim?l?ya- and the La?k?vat?ra-s?tra. Based in large parts on these three texts, Lambert Schmithausen portrays the thoughts, arguments and motives which promoted vegetarianism among Buddhists in a relatively late period (ca 4th century CE), when Buddhism had already been in existence for more than seven hundred years. He discusses the special features and common line of arguments in these three texts and translates their most important passages. Text critical editions of these important text parts in Sanskrit, Tibetan and Chinese are found in the third volume and are meant to serve the specialists of Buddhist textual history to access the original wording of these s?tras. Schmithausen convincingly shows that this pronounced vegetarian strand of Buddhism is in stark contrast to traditional mainstream Indian Buddhist attitudes regarding the consumption of fish and meat. There are no traces in the literary traditions of early Buddhism that a broad vegetarian diet might have been part of the daily routine of the large majority of Buddhist monks and nuns or followers. An attempt at prescribing a strictly vegetarian diet is even expressly discarded. Still, there are certain restrictions concerning the consumption of meat. In the first part of the book these restrictions are portrayed based on the relevant source texts. They are discussed in light of their origins, possibly deriving from ethical considerations, ascetic practices and widely accepted societal norms. Another important issue raised by Schmithausen is the question whether the turn to a vegetarian diet in Indian Mah?y?na Buddhism has its roots in Buddhism itself or whether it was inspired by a rigid anti meat attitude found in influential sectors of Hindu society. Chapter IV deals with this question and discusses ideas from inside the early Buddhist traditions that could have triggered or supported the emergence of Buddhist vegetarianism which later so deeply influenced the dietary norms in East Asian Buddhism See: https://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg.de/en/ueber-uns/aktuelles/21-publikation-schmithausen2020.html Best regards, Michael Zimmermann & Steffen D?ll -------- Numata Center for Buddhist Studies Universit?t Hamburg Alsterterrasse 1 D-20354 Hamburg Germany www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg.de -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 12:38, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Dominik > I was truly excited by your note on the Transksribus not so much by the > project itself but by the scan tent that they are using. As you may know I > have been both an art historian and photographer of fine arts, of > primarily Buddhist art, for five decades and the scan tent they are using > with its internal lighting and ease of object manipulation seems ideal for > some of our work. To that end I have tried to find one in the photographic > equipment market. No luck. Do you have any idea where such a tool might be > available? > > Sorry to bother you with this but there are a couple of thousand flat > images to prepare for the Archive, it will be a great service to me if you > know. > > Thank you > > John Huntington > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't have thousands of images like you, but I do some manuscript photography in India from time to time. I've used a downward-facing Nikon on a tripod with a remote shutter release in the past. Good results, but quite a fiddly setup, and good light is usually difficult. > > Best, > Dominik > > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk, > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity, > Department of History and Classics, > University of Alberta, Canada. > > South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca > > >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 12:38, John Huntington via INDOLOGY wrote: >> Dear Dominik >> I was truly excited by your note on the Transksribus not so much by the project itself but by the scan tent that they are using. As you may know I have been both an art historian and photographer of fine arts, of primarily Buddhist art, for five decades and the scan tent they are using with its internal lighting and ease of object manipulation seems ideal for some of our work. To that end I have tried to find one in the photographic equipment market. No luck. Do you have any idea where such a tool might be available? >> >> Sorry to bother you with this but there are a couple of thousand flat images to prepare for the Archive, it will be a great service to me if you know. >> >> Thank you >> >> John Huntington >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Raik Strunz, M.A. Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 Seminar f?r S?dasienkunde und Indologie ? Indologie ? Orientalisches Institut Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 D-06108 Halle (Saale) www.indologie.uni-halle.de ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ? >>> Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY 17.07.20 9.26 Uhr >>> Adeline Levivier, Visual Data Manager for the DHARMA project, whom you see in action in this photo, has conceived this cube-shaped tent with movable LEDs and obtained excellent result for photographing copper plates during our fieldwork in Bangladesh last year. If there is interest, I can ask her to write up a description of how to build this very portable contraption. Arlo Griffiths Envoy? de mon iPhone Le 17 juil. 2020 ? 03:16, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY a ?crit : ?Dear John, I've never tried to buy one, but there's an "order" button on this web page: * https://readcoop.eu/scantent/ If you do get one, I'd love to hear your experience with it. If it's as good as it sounds, I'll get one too. I don't have thousands of images like you, but I do some manuscript photography in India from time to time. I've used a downward-facing Nikon on a tripod with a remote shutter release in the past. Good results, but quite a fiddly setup, and good light is usually difficult. Best, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk, Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity, Department of History and Classics, University of Alberta, Canada. South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 12:38, John Huntington via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear Dominik I was truly excited by your note on the Transksribus not so much by the project itself but by the scan tent that they are using. As you may know I have been both an art historian and photographer of fine arts, of primarily Buddhist art, for five decades and the scan tent they are using with its internal lighting and ease of object manipulation seems ideal for some of our work. To that end I have tried to find one in the photographic equipment market. No luck. Do you have any idea where such a tool might be available? Sorry to bother you with this but there are a couple of thousand flat images to prepare for the Archive, it will be a great service to me if you know. 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John: I think we also discussed the technology back then as well on the private ?Scholarly Services List" that Lars Martin Fosse was running then when the Indology List wasn?t operating. A lot of very detailed information on the technology ? and how to use it ? can be found on the webpage of the non-profit "Cultural Heritage Imaging Project,? which is run by a very large set of US and a few non-US Research Institutes. For a list of the full members of collaboration, go here http://culturalheritageimaging.org/About_Us/Collaborators/index.html ). Tom Malzbender I noticed this morning is on the Board of Directors. For really deep written and graphic overviews, both technical and non-technical, of how "Reflectance Transformation Imaging" works, go here; there are good pictures there of some of the reconstructions. http://culturalheritageimaging.org/Technologies/RTI/ Warm regards, Steve Farmer The Systems Biology Group, Palo Alto Overiew here: believe Adeline Levivier, Visual Data Manager for the DHARMA project, whom you see in action in this photo, has conceived this cube-shaped tent with movable LEDs and obtained excellent result for photographing copper plates during our fieldwork in Bangladesh last year. If there is interest, I can ask her to write up a description of how to build this very portable contraption. Arlo Griffiths Envoy? de mon iPhone > Le 17 juil. 2020 ? 03:16, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > > ? > Dear John, I've never tried to buy one, but there's an "order" button on this web page: > https://readcoop.eu/scantent/ > If you do get one, I'd love to hear your experience with it. If it's as good as it sounds, I'll get one too. I don't have thousands of images like you, but I do some manuscript photography in India from time to time. I've used a downward-facing Nikon on a tripod with a remote shutter release in the past. Good results, but quite a fiddly setup, and good light is usually difficult. > > Best, > Dominik > > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk , > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity, > Department of History and Classics , > University of Alberta, Canada. > > South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca > > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 12:38, John Huntington via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear Dominik > I was truly excited by your note on the Transksribus not so much by the project itself but by the scan tent that they are using. As you may know I have been both an art historian and photographer of fine arts, of primarily Buddhist art, for five decades and the scan tent they are using with its internal lighting and ease of object manipulation seems ideal for some of our work. To that end I have tried to find one in the photographic equipment market. No luck. Do you have any idea where such a tool might be available? > > Sorry to bother you with this but there are a couple of thousand flat images to prepare for the Archive, it will be a great service to me if you know. > > Thank you > > John Huntington > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Both are no. 51 in the series called ?nand??ramasa?sk?tagranth?vali, and both also include Madhus?dana Sarasvat?'s Prasth?nabheda. According to the title pages, edition (1) is the third impression (a?kan?v?tti), edition (2) the fourth. Edition (1) has been prepared (sa??odhita) by Vin?yaka Ga?e?a ?pa?e with the help of the Pandits of the ?nand??rama; edition (2) only by the Pandits of the ?nand??rama. The text of the Sarvadar?anasa?graha covers 171 pages in edition (1); 174 pages in edition (2). Both editions contain the same list of manuscripts (?dar?apustakollekhapatrik?; edition (2) contains its first mistake in this list, misnaming ms. gha as ba) and the same list of chapters (edition (1) calls it atha sarvadar?anasa?grah?ntargatadar?an?n?m anukrama?; edition (2) calls is anukrama?ik?). Edition (1) then has a preface to the second impression (dvit?y?v?ttisa?bandhi nivedanam) and an introduction (upodgh?ta); edition (2) has neither of these two. The two editions are not identical. For example, edition (1) has, on p. 128 l. 15: prasajyeteti cet na; edition (2) (p. 130 l. 15) has just prasajyeta. Numerous other examples could no doubt be added. Interestingly, the editors of Erich Frauwallner's Nachgelassene Werke II (Wien 1992) thought that Frauwallner had used the ?nand??rama edition of 1977 (abbreviation: SDS1) for his translation of parts of the chapter on ?a?kara's philosophy (along with Abhyankar's edition), which is of course impossible (Frauwallner died in 1974). This sometimes leads to confusion, as when the editors point out on p. 200 fn. 108 that the last p?da of a ?loka in the 1977 ?nand??rama edition (p. 152 l. 22) "erscheint ... nur verst?mmelt"; this is true, but this p?da is perfectly in order in the 1950 edition (p. 150 l. 12). Johannes Bronkhorst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Elliot Stern > On Jul 17, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > > Allen Thrasher put the following message on Indology (14.6.2017): "Jim Nye of the University of Chicago Library told me that when Anandasrama did a second edition of the same work it would start from scratch, so that another ASS edition of the same title will be a different text." I have meanwhile found that this appears to be true of its editions of the Sarvadar?anasa?graha. > > I have inspected two ?nand??rama editions of the Sarvadar?anasa?graha: > > (1) one published in 1950; > > and > > (2) one published in 1977. > > Both are no. 51 in the series called ?nand??ramasa?sk?tagranth?vali, and both also include Madhus?dana Sarasvat?'s Prasth?nabheda. According to the title pages, edition (1) is the third impression (a?kan?v?tti), edition (2) the fourth. Edition (1) has been prepared (sa??odhita) by Vin?yaka Ga?e?a ?pa?e with the help of the Pandits of the ?nand??rama; edition (2) only by the Pandits of the ?nand??rama. The text of the Sarvadar?anasa?graha covers 171 pages in edition (1); 174 pages in edition (2). Both editions contain the same list of manuscripts (?dar?apustakollekhapatrik?; edition (2) contains its first mistake in this list, misnaming ms. gha as ba) and the same list of chapters (edition (1) calls it atha sarvadar?anasa?grah?ntargatadar?an?n?m anukrama?; edition (2) calls is anukrama?ik?). Edition (1) then has a preface to the second impression (dvit?y?v?ttisa?bandhi nivedanam) and an introduction (upodgh?ta); edition (2) has neither of these two. > > The two editions are not identical. For example, edition (1) has, on p. 128 l. 15: prasajyeteti cet na; edition (2) (p. 130 l. 15) has just prasajyeta. Numerous other examples could no doubt be added. > > Interestingly, the editors of Erich Frauwallner's Nachgelassene Werke II (Wien 1992) thought that Frauwallner had used the ?nand??rama edition of 1977 (abbreviation: SDS1) for his translation of parts of the chapter on ?a?kara's philosophy (along with Abhyankar's edition), which is of course impossible (Frauwallner died in 1974). This sometimes leads to confusion, as when the editors point out on p. 200 fn. 108 that the last p?da of a ?loka in the 1977 ?nand??rama edition (p. 152 l. 22) "erscheint ... nur verst?mmelt"; this is true, but this p?da is perfectly in order in the 1950 edition (p. 150 l. 12). > > > Johannes Bronkhorst > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Elliot M. 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The press at the Bhandarkar Institute was of a similar kind. I have heard discussions at the BORI about photographic reprinting of books and this involved the matter of firing the old printing press staff etc. These were difficult decisions for institutions like the Anandashram and the BORI, and the changes came only slowly. At some point, I remember that Professor K.S. Arjunwadkar started a business of computer typesetting called ??????????? within the building of Anandashram, and then he slowly helped the Anandashram itself to usher into a technology change, including photographic reprinting and photographing the manuscripts of the institution. The old leadership of these institutions like Professor R.N. Dandekar was unfamiliar with the new technologies, and took a long time to go for it. I was a witness for the introduction of the first PC at the BORI, as I was staying at the guesthouse of the BORI and had a laptop and a printer in my room. One day, Professors Dandekar, Ghatage and Mehendale all came to my guesthouse room to see for themselves what this thing called a computer was and what it could do. I was myself just getting used to this technology, but had by then designed my first Devanagari fonts using the Chi-Writer software for PCs. The question that these professors asked me was if the computer could interpret the Sanskrit texts for them, and when I said that it could not, they said that it was of no use to them. I am recounting this story just to say that change in technology came very slowly to these deeply entrenched institutions. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 1:40 PM Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Johannes is right. I have a physical set of the 2nd printing of > M?m??s?dar?ana in the Anandasrama series (various years, mostly or all in > the 1970s). The pagination is different from the in the 1st printing. There > are also new errors in the 2nd printing. > > I wonder why they reset type as late as the 1970s when some sort of > photographic copying of the first printing books would have been possible. > > Happily, most or all of the first printing is available at archive.org. > > Elliot Stern > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > > Allen Thrasher put the following message on Indology (14.6.2017): "Jim > Nye of the University of Chicago Library told me that when Anandasrama did > a second edition of the same work it would start from scratch, so that > another ASS edition of the same title will be a different text." I have > meanwhile found that this appears to be true of its editions of the > *Sarvadar?anasa?graha*. > > I have inspected two ?nand??rama editions of the *Sarvadar?anasa?graha*: > > (1) one published in 1950; > > and > > (2) one published in 1977. > > Both are no. 51 in the series called *?nand??ramasa?sk?tagranth?vali*, > and both also include Madhus?dana Sarasvat?'s *Prasth?nabheda*. According > to the title pages, edition (1) is the third impression (*a?kan?v?tti*), > edition (2) the fourth. Edition (1) has been prepared (*sa??odhita*) by > Vin?yaka Ga?e?a ?pa?e with the help of the Pandits of the ?nand??rama; > edition (2) only by the Pandits of the ?nand??rama. The text of the > *Sarvadar?anasa?graha* covers 171 pages in edition (1); 174 pages in > edition (2). Both editions contain the same list of manuscripts ( > *?dar?apustakollekhapatrik?*; edition (2) contains its first mistake in > this list, misnaming ms. *gha* as *ba*) and the same list of chapters (edition > (1) calls it *atha sarvadar?anasa?grah?ntargatadar?an?n?m anukrama?*; > edition (2) calls is *anukrama?ik?*). Edition (1) then has a preface to > the second impression (*dvit?y?v?ttisa?bandhi nivedanam*) and an > introduction (*upodgh?ta*); edition (2) has neither of these two. > > The two editions are not identical. For example, edition (1) has, on p. > 128 l. 15: *prasajyeteti cet na*; edition (2) (p. 130 l. 15) has just * > prasajyeta*. Numerous other examples could no doubt be added. > > Interestingly, the editors of Erich Frauwallner's *Nachgelassene Werke II* > (Wien 1992) thought that Frauwallner had used the ?nand??rama edition of > 1977 (abbreviation: SDS1) for his translation of parts of the chapter on > ?a?kara's philosophy (along with Abhyankar's edition), which is of course > impossible (Frauwallner died in 1974). This sometimes leads to confusion, > as when the editors point out on p. 200 fn. 108 that the last p?da of a > ?loka in the 1977 ?nand??rama edition (p. 152 l. 22) "erscheint ... nur > verst?mmelt"; this is true, but this p?da is perfectly in order in the 1950 > edition (p. 150 l. 12). > > > Johannes Bronkhorst > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > Elliot M. Stern > 552 South 48th Street > Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 > emstern1948 at gmail.com > 267-240-8418 > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 23:36:37 2020 From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 20 19:36:37 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pronounciation and transliteration of Marathi Message-ID: Dear list members, I need to provide a transliteration scheme to transliterate marathi hymns for english speakers to chant. What I need is a list of those Marathi devanagari letters that have two pronounciations and what those pronounciations are. For example in Marathi ? is pronounced in some contexts as ja and in others as za . I need to know the pronounciations for the other Marathi letters with two pronounciations. Also I have contradictory information about which letters have two pronounciations. One source says its ? ? ? ? , another source (the wiki page on Marathi phonology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi_phonology) says its: ? ? ? ? Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Jul 19 03:00:33 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 20 20:00:33 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pronounciation and transliteration of Marathi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Harry, Only the letters ?, ?, and ? have alternative pronunciations, dental and alveolar. These are not optional pronunciations, but they occur in definite words and definite combinations, but these differences are not marked in Marathi Devanagari writing, and you need to consult a native speaker for which ones are pronounced where. Even the native persons know this difference intuitively, but are not taught analytically in Marathi schools. That makes it difficult for non-native speakers to figure this out. Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > I need to provide a transliteration scheme to transliterate marathi hymns > for english speakers to chant. What I need is a list of those Marathi > devanagari letters that have two pronounciations and what those > pronounciations are. For example in Marathi ? is pronounced in some > contexts as ja and in others as za . I need to know the pronounciations for > the other Marathi letters with two pronounciations. > > Also I have contradictory information about which letters have two > pronounciations. One source says its ? ? ? ? , another source (the wiki > page on Marathi phonology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi_phonology) > says its: ? ? ? ? > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Johannes Bronkhorst On 20 Jul 2020, at 09:49, Alastair Gornall via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear colleagues, I am looking for an electronic copy of the following work (or the PhD thesis on which it is based): Denis, Eug?ne, La Lokapa??atti et les id?es cosmologiques du bouddhisme ancien, Paris, Honor? Champion, 1977, 2 tomes. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone has a copy and is able to share it (in particular of volume 1). With all good wishes Alastair This email may contain confidential and/or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under applicable law and is intended for receipt and use solely by the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email, or any attachment, is strictly prohibited. Please delete the email immediately and inform the sender. 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Some years ago I had photocopied only a few pages of this book, and would be glad to have the whole. Thanks. Best regards, David Reigle Colorado, U.S.A. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:50 AM Alastair Gornall via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am looking for an electronic copy of the following work (or the PhD > thesis on which it is based): > > Denis, Eug?ne, *La* Lokapa??atti *et les id?es cosmologiques du > bouddhisme ancien*, Paris, Honor? Champion, 1977, 2 tomes. > I would greatly appreciate it if anyone has a copy and is able to share it > (in particular of volume 1). > > With all good wishes > Alastair > > This email may contain confidential and/or proprietary information that is > exempt from disclosure under applicable law and is intended for receipt and > use solely by the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this email, or any attachment, is strictly prohibited. Please > delete the email immediately and inform the sender. Thank You > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnreigle at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 13:06:29 2020 From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 20 07:06:29 -0600 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Denis,_Lokapa=C3=B1=C3=B1atti?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks to Jonathan Silk for sending me PDFs of both volumes. Much appreciated! Best regards, David Reigle Colorado, U.S.A. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 6:38 AM David and Nancy Reigle wrote: > I, too, would like a copy, if it can be found. Some years ago I had > photocopied only a few pages of this book, and would be glad to have the > whole. Thanks. > > Best regards, > > David Reigle > Colorado, U.S.A. > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:50 AM Alastair Gornall via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I am looking for an electronic copy of the following work (or the PhD >> thesis on which it is based): >> >> Denis, Eug?ne, *La* Lokapa??atti *et les id?es cosmologiques du >> bouddhisme ancien*, Paris, Honor? Champion, 1977, 2 tomes. >> I would greatly appreciate it if anyone has a copy and is able to share >> it (in particular of volume 1). >> >> With all good wishes >> Alastair >> >> This email may contain confidential and/or proprietary information that >> is exempt from disclosure under applicable law and is intended for receipt >> and use solely by the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended >> recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or >> copying of this email, or any attachment, is strictly prohibited. Please >> delete the email immediately and inform the sender. Thank You >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alastair_gornall at sutd.edu.sg Mon Jul 20 13:15:48 2020 From: alastair_gornall at sutd.edu.sg (Alastair Gornall) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 20 13:15:48 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Denis,_Lokapa=C3=B1=C3=B1atti?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, a great many thanks to Jonathan Silk, Rupert Gethin and Bill Mak for providing the files. I'd happy to pass them on to whoever else needs them. Feel free to email me. Best wishes Alastair Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: David and Nancy Reigle Sent: Monday, 20 July 2020, 21:06 To: Alastair Gornall; Jonathan Silk Cc: Indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Denis, Lokapa??atti Many thanks to Jonathan Silk for sending me PDFs of both volumes. Much appreciated! Best regards, David Reigle Colorado, U.S.A. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 6:38 AM David and Nancy Reigle > wrote: I, too, would like a copy, if it can be found. Some years ago I had photocopied only a few pages of this book, and would be glad to have the whole. Thanks. Best regards, David Reigle Colorado, U.S.A. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:50 AM Alastair Gornall via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear colleagues, I am looking for an electronic copy of the following work (or the PhD thesis on which it is based): Denis, Eug?ne, La Lokapa??atti et les id?es cosmologiques du bouddhisme ancien, Paris, Honor? Champion, 1977, 2 tomes. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone has a copy and is able to share it (in particular of volume 1). With all good wishes Alastair This email may contain confidential and/or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under applicable law and is intended for receipt and use solely by the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email, or any attachment, is strictly prohibited. Please delete the email immediately and inform the sender. 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Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Jul 21 15:54:52 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 20 08:54:52 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?B?W0lORE9MT0dZXSDgpJrgpYHgpJrgpYvgpLA/?= Message-ID: In his book *Radices Sanskritae*, published in 1827 from Berlin, Frederick Rosen lists the root ???? as occurring in the first and the 10th conjugations, and provides forms like ?????/?????? and ?????/????????. [image: image.png] I have used the form ????? in one of my verses, and I wanted to know from other Vaiy?kara?as if there is any evidence for the root ???? in the first conjugation. Perhaps, G.B. Palsule's concordance of the various versions of the Dh?tup??ha has some information. I couldn't find my copy of this book. Rosen does not list the source of his information. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markandeia at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 06:22:09 2020 From: markandeia at gmail.com (Nataliya Yanchevskaya) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 20 02:22:09 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? Message-ID: Dear All, Could you please suggest any Sanskrit texts that specifically deal with war ethics? Apart from the Bhagavad Gita and the epics (the MBh, first of all), there are some bits and pieces in the Artha??stra and Dharma??stras that I know about. Are there any "theoretical" works on war ethics? on laws of war and rules for warriors? All suggestions would be very welcome. Best wishes, Nataliya ----------- Nataliya Yanchevskaya Lecturer in Sanskrit PIIRS, Princeton University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 06:31:20 2020 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 20 08:31:20 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0g4KSa4KWB4KSa4KWL4KSwPw==?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Madhav, Rosen must have taken into account forms of medieval "living sanskrit" noted by Vopadeva in his Kalpadruma. Vopadeva lists, in stanza 265, *cur-ki steye*, with anubandha *ki* indicating that it is among the roots that "belong to the *cur* class only optionally": Palsule, ed. of Kavikalpadruma of Vopadeva, Poona (sic) 1954, p. xxvii (Vopadeva's anubandhas), and p. 43 for stanza 265: a commentary explains: *ki, corayati corati*. Palsule's Concordance published in 1955 in the Bulletin of the Deccan College Research Institute lists *cur* on p. 46 as being accepted by all grammarians exclusively as belonging to the Xth class, except Vopadeva who accepts it in both the Ist and Xth class. I did not check what your namesake Madhava has to say about *cur*. But Melputtur Narayana Bhatta summarizes him in his brief comment on* cur* (p. 619 of Guruvayur edition): *cura steye / ak?ra uktyartha? / ??ica? ca? (AA 1.3.74) iti ta? cur?der neti mata? m?dhavad??itam / tenobhayapaditvam eva / corayati, corayate?rtham / * * ke cit sarvacur?d?n?m anitya?yantat?? jagu? / ye??? vikalpacihna? ( ? -citta? ?) sy?t te??m eveti m?dhava? //* In addition, Narayana Bhatta gives* cura steye / corati* in his long appendix to the Dhatupatha, under *drume?dhik? bhv?daya?*. However, could one not have a perfect *cucora* even without accepting *cura steye / corati*? Best, Jan On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 17:56, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > In his book *Radices Sanskritae*, published in 1827 from Berlin, > Frederick Rosen lists the root ???? as occurring in the first and the 10th > conjugations, and provides forms like ?????/?????? and ?????/????????. > [image: image.png] > I have used the form ????? in one of my verses, and I wanted to know from > other Vaiy?kara?as if there is any evidence for the root ???? in the first > conjugation. Perhaps, G.B. Palsule's concordance of the various versions > of the Dh?tup??ha has some information. I couldn't find my copy of this > book. Rosen does not list the source of his information. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 06:51:05 2020 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 20 08:51:05 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Nataliya, You may have a look at *Violence Denied: Violence, Non-Violence and the Rationalization of Violence in South Asian Cultural History*, eds.: J.E.M. Houben and K.R. van Kooij. Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1999. Especially the chapters by L. Schmithausen (on Buddhist attitudes towards war) and D. Feller (on the Mahabharata war as a sacrifice) deal explicitly with ethical aspects of war. Best, Jan On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 08:23, Nataliya Yanchevskaya via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear All, > Could you please suggest any Sanskrit texts that specifically deal with > war ethics? Apart from the Bhagavad Gita and the epics (the MBh, first of > all), there are some bits and pieces in the Artha??stra and Dharma??stras > that I know about. > Are there any "theoretical" works on war ethics? on laws of war and rules > for warriors? > All suggestions would be very welcome. > Best wishes, > Nataliya > > ----------- > Nataliya Yanchevskaya > Lecturer in Sanskrit > PIIRS, Princeton University > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Jul 22 12:43:14 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 20 05:43:14 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0g4KSa4KWB4KSa4KWL4KSwPw==?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Jan, Narayan Prasad on BVP also pointed to Bopadeva's Kavikalpadruma for ?????/??????. The verb form ????? may as well be a borrow-back from vernacular usages. For now, Bopadeva is a good authority for me to use ?????/????? in my verses. The past perfect corresponding to ?????? is the periphrastic ???????? type, rather than ?????. With best wishes, Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:31 PM Jan E.M. Houben wrote: > Dear Madhav, > Rosen must have taken into account forms of medieval "living sanskrit" > noted by Vopadeva in his Kalpadruma. > Vopadeva lists, in stanza 265, *cur-ki steye*, with anubandha *ki* > indicating that it is among the roots that "belong to the *cur* class > only optionally": > Palsule, ed. of Kavikalpadruma of Vopadeva, Poona (sic) 1954, p. xxvii > (Vopadeva's anubandhas), and p. 43 for stanza 265: a commentary explains: *ki, > corayati corati*. > Palsule's Concordance published in 1955 in the Bulletin of the Deccan > College Research Institute lists *cur* on p. 46 as being accepted by all > grammarians exclusively as belonging to the Xth class, except Vopadeva who > accepts it in both the Ist and Xth class. > I did not check what your namesake Madhava has to say about *cur*. > But Melputtur Narayana Bhatta summarizes him in his brief comment on* cur* > (p. 619 of Guruvayur edition): > *cura steye / ak?ra uktyartha? / ??ica? ca? (AA 1.3.74) iti ta? cur?der > neti mata? m?dhavad??itam / tenobhayapaditvam eva / corayati, > corayate?rtham / * > > * ke cit sarvacur?d?n?m anitya?yantat?? jagu? / ye??? vikalpacihna? ( > ? -citta? ?) sy?t te??m eveti m?dhava? //* > In addition, Narayana Bhatta gives* cura steye / corati* in his long > appendix to the Dhatupatha, under *drume?dhik? bhv?daya?*. > However, could one not have a perfect *cucora* even without accepting *cura > steye / corati*? > Best, > Jan > > > > > > On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 17:56, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> In his book *Radices Sanskritae*, published in 1827 from Berlin, >> Frederick Rosen lists the root ???? as occurring in the first and the 10th >> conjugations, and provides forms like ?????/?????? and ?????/????????. >> [image: image.png] >> I have used the form ????? in one of my verses, and I wanted to know from >> other Vaiy?kara?as if there is any evidence for the root ???? in the first >> conjugation. Perhaps, G.B. Palsule's concordance of the various versions >> of the Dh?tup??ha has some information. I couldn't find my copy of this >> book. Rosen does not list the source of his information. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > -- > > *Jan E.M. Houben* > > Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology > > *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* > > ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) > > *Sciences historiques et philologiques * > > *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu * > > *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben > * > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drdj at austin.utexas.edu Wed Jul 22 14:01:42 2020 From: drdj at austin.utexas.edu (Donald R Davis) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 20 14:01:42 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7311FC8D-9AFC-429D-BFDF-9984E671A8D2@austin.utexas.edu> Dear Nataliya, Please see the work of Torkel Brekke. You can see many of his extensive publications on the ethics of war at his academia page: https://independent.academia.edu/TorkelBrekke. Best, Don From: INDOLOGY on behalf of "indology at list.indology.info" Reply-To: "Jan E.M. Houben" Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 1:52 AM To: Nataliya Yanchevskaya Cc: "indology at list.indology.info" Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? Dear Nataliya, You may have a look at Violence Denied: Violence, Non-Violence and the Rationalization of Violence in South Asian Cultural History, eds.: J.E.M. Houben and K.R. van Kooij. Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1999. Especially the chapters by L. Schmithausen (on Buddhist attitudes towards war) and D. Feller (on the Mahabharata war as a sacrifice) deal explicitly with ethical aspects of war. Best, Jan On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 08:23, Nataliya Yanchevskaya via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear All, Could you please suggest any Sanskrit texts that specifically deal with war ethics? Apart from the Bhagavad Gita and the epics (the MBh, first of all), there are some bits and pieces in the Artha??stra and Dharma??stras that I know about. Are there any "theoretical" works on war ethics? on laws of war and rules for warriors? All suggestions would be very welcome. Best wishes, Nataliya ----------- Nataliya Yanchevskaya Lecturer in Sanskrit PIIRS, Princeton University _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Jan E.M. Houben Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) Sciences historiques et philologiques johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 16:25:13 2020 From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 20 16:25:13 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? In-Reply-To: <7311FC8D-9AFC-429D-BFDF-9984E671A8D2@austin.utexas.edu> Message-ID: Dear Nataliya, Another interesting study on the topic might be Wu, Juan. 2015. "Comparing Buddhist and Jaina Attitudes towards Warfare: Some Notes on Stories of King Aj?ta?atru's/K??ika's War against the V?jis and Related Material", ARIRIAB, Vol.18, pp. 95-112 Best wishes, Camillo ________________________________ Dr Camillo A. Formigatti John Clay Sanskrit Librarian Bodleian Libraries The Weston Library Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG Email: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk Tel. (office): 01865 (2)77208 www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk GROW YOUR MIND in Oxford University?s Gardens, Libraries and Museums www.mindgrowing.org ________________________________ From: Donald R Davis Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:01 PM To: Indology Mailing List Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? Dear Nataliya, Please see the work of Torkel Brekke. You can see many of his extensive publications on the ethics of war at his academia page: https://independent.academia.edu/TorkelBrekke. Best, Don From: INDOLOGY on behalf of "indology at list.indology.info" Reply-To: "Jan E.M. Houben" Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 1:52 AM To: Nataliya Yanchevskaya Cc: "indology at list.indology.info" Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? Dear Nataliya, You may have a look at Violence Denied: Violence, Non-Violence and the Rationalization of Violence in South Asian Cultural History, eds.: J.E.M. Houben and K.R. van Kooij. Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1999. Especially the chapters by L. Schmithausen (on Buddhist attitudes towards war) and D. Feller (on the Mahabharata war as a sacrifice) deal explicitly with ethical aspects of war. Best, Jan On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 08:23, Nataliya Yanchevskaya via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear All, Could you please suggest any Sanskrit texts that specifically deal with war ethics? Apart from the Bhagavad Gita and the epics (the MBh, first of all), there are some bits and pieces in the Artha??stra and Dharma??stras that I know about. Are there any "theoretical" works on war ethics? on laws of war and rules for warriors? All suggestions would be very welcome. Best wishes, Nataliya ----------- Nataliya Yanchevskaya Lecturer in Sanskrit PIIRS, Princeton University _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Jan E.M. Houben Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) Sciences historiques et philologiques johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope this is useful as a starting point All the best -- Jean-Luc (in M?ssen) On 23/07/2020 17:21, Ofer Peres via INDOLOGY wrote: > Dear list members, > > I would be grateful for any reference to pre-modern Tamil literary texts > (or Sanskrit texts that originated from the Tamil-akam) that mention > Navagraha-worship and the worship of Saturn in particular. > > Many thanks, > > Ofer Peres. > The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > From s.raman at utoronto.ca Thu Jul 23 16:31:21 2020 From: s.raman at utoronto.ca (Srilata Raman) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 20 16:31:21 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Navagraha worship in Tamil literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Ofer, My suggestion would be to look at some of the Tamil ?aivasiddh?nta Da?ak?rya texts, or paddhatis related to them - some of them are available in that fabulous resource the Tamil Digital Library - which might have a section on navagraha worship. Further, there is a collection of stotras to the Navagrahas and Ca?ipakav?? which is also available in the Tamil Digital Library under the following title: ?????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? warmly yours, Srilata --------------------- Srilata Raman, Associate Professor of Hinduism, University of Toronto. ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Ofer Peres via INDOLOGY Sent: July 23, 2020 11:21 AM To: Indology Subject: [INDOLOGY] Navagraha worship in Tamil literature Dear list members, I would be grateful for any reference to pre-modern Tamil literary texts (or Sanskrit texts that originated from the Tamil-akam) that mention Navagraha-worship and the worship of Saturn in particular. Many thanks, Ofer Peres. The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Archana On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:32 AM Srilata Raman via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Ofer, > > My suggestion would be to look at some of the Tamil ?aivasiddh?nta > Da?ak?rya texts, or paddhatis related to them - some of them are available > in that fabulous resource the Tamil Digital Library - which might have a > section on navagraha worship. Further, there is a collection of stotras to > the Navagrahas and Ca?ipakav?? which is also available in the Tamil Digital > Library under the following title: > > ?????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? > > > warmly yours, > Srilata > --------------------- > Srilata Raman, > Associate Professor of Hinduism, > University of Toronto. > ------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of Ofer > Peres via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* July 23, 2020 11:21 AM > *To:* Indology > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Navagraha worship in Tamil literature > > Dear list members, > > I would be grateful for any reference to pre-modern Tamil literary texts > (or Sanskrit texts that originated from the Tamil-akam) that mention > Navagraha-worship and the worship of Saturn in particular. > > Many thanks, > > Ofer Peres. > The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- *"When writers die they become books, which is, after all, not too bad an incarnation."* Jorge Luis Borges Archana Venkatesan ( archana.faculty.ucdavis.edu) Chair, Department of Religious Studies *Professor, Religious Studies and Comparative Literature* Phone: 530-754-2821 (Office) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Heiner Am 23.07.2020 um 17:21 schrieb Ofer Peres via INDOLOGY: > Dear list members, > > I would be grateful for any reference to pre-modern Tamil literary > texts (or Sanskrit texts that originated from the Tamil-akam) that > mention Navagraha-worship and the worship of Saturn in particular. > > Many thanks, > > Ofer Peres. > The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ericmgurevitch at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 21:19:20 2020 From: ericmgurevitch at gmail.com (Eric Gurevitch) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 20 16:19:20 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Sarvadar=C5=9Banasa=E1=B9=83graha?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Dagmar, Chapter 8 of Andrew Nicholson's *Unifying Hinduism, *entitled "Doxography, classificatory schemes, and contested histories," has a useful discussion of colonial-era receptions of *Sarvadar?anasa?graha, *especially in the section "M?dhava and the influence of advaita doxography" (pp. 158ff.) All the best, Eric On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:46 PM Dagmar Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Could anyone point me to publications on the reception history of > M?dhava's Sarvadar?anasa?graha? > > Many thanks in advance, > > Dagmar > > Dr Dagmar Wujastyk > Associate Professor > History and Classics > University of Alberta > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Eric Gurevitch PhD Candidate, South Asian Languages and Civilizations and Committee on Conceptual and Historical Studies of Science University of Chicago gurevitch at uchicago.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone knows... (I do not have permission to post to the google group which you referenced) (Further, although it is perhaps churlish to ask... if there were a way to link between the often very complex abbreviations of catalogue references under each text title to the catalogue of origin, that would be fantastic. But even as it is, it's a wonderful resource!! Jonathan On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:19 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > I've just seen from the Samskrita list that searchable e-texts of all 39 > volumes of the New Catalogus Catalogorum are now on-line at the Vande > Mataram Library Trust website. > https://vmlt.in/ncc/1?page=1 > > The announcement giving details about other texts and future uploads is > at: https://groups.google.com/g/samskrita/c/Jgckg4yJ8jU > > Harry Spier > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- J. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden The Netherlands copies of my publications may be found at https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prajnapti at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 05:36:39 2020 From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 01:36:39 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Tattv=C4=81rtha_request?= Message-ID: <41B5A77D-72A2-4656-9D2A-097D7BABC8C0@gmail.com> Dear colleagues, I am posting this request for John Newman, who is currently not a member of the list. He is interested in the Sanskrit edition of Asa?ga?s Tattv?rtha chapter that appears in ???? [Takahashi K?ichi]. ????????????????????????????? : vastu ????????. Bibliotheca Indologica et Buddhologica 12, Tokyo: Sankibo press, 2005. The Sanskrit text should be on pp. 83-117 of that study of the concept of vastu in that chapter of the Bodhisattvabh?mi. If someone could provide us with an e-version of the whole work or at least the Sanskrit edition, we would be grateful. I would like a copy as well. John can be reached at newman at ncf.edu . Thank you, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aparpola at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 07:46:23 2020 From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 10:46:23 +0300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Navagraha worship in Tamil literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Early Tamil texts have preserved planetary names which go back to the Dravidian language of the Indus Civilization, for they can be verifiably read in the Indus inscriptions. See Parpola, Asko, 1994. Deciphering the Indus script, Cambridge University Press, p. 179ff. Parpola, Asko, 2015. The Roots of Hinduism: The Early Aryans and the Indus Civilization, Oxford University Press, p. 266ff. For ?ani/Saturn in particular, see 1994 p. 197 and 2015 p. 276, and for Saturn?s (and the night-sun?s) connection with the tortoise, p. 206-208. With best wishes, Asko > On 23 Jul 2020, at 19.51, Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Mevissen, Gerd. J.R. 2000, ??at-pa?gu ?anai?cara, the Lame Planetary God Saturn and His v?hanas, Serie Orientale Roma, Vol. XC. Roma: 1267-1297. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org Fri Jul 24 07:49:30 2020 From: rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 19:49:30 +1200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Online New Catalogus Catalogorum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47ff3ba5f887cdd5bd2354f18723d0955f593193.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org> Execute "Expand Abbrev." at the top LHS? (Screenshot attached.) Best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY Reply-To: Jonathan Silk To: Harry Spier Cc: Indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Online New Catalogus Catalogorum Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:29:09 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 This is amazing, thank you Harry! I looked for some way to say thank you on the website, but I found no contact information. If anyone knows... (I do not have permission to post to the google group which you referenced) (Further, although it is perhaps churlish to ask... if there were a way to link between the often very complex abbreviations of catalogue references under each text title to the catalogue of origin, that would be fantastic. But even as it is, it's a wonderful resource!! Jonathan On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:19 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members,I've just seen from the Samskrita list that > searchable e-texts of all 39 volumes of the New Catalogus > Catalogorum are now on-line at the Vande Mataram Library Trust > website. > https://vmlt.in/ncc/1?page=1 > > The announcement giving details about other texts and future uploads > is at: https://groups.google.com/g/samskrita/c/Jgckg4yJ8jU > > Harry Spier > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZT: +64 3 312 1699 M: +64 210 640 216IM: @rmahoney https://t.me/rmahoneyrmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofer.peres at mail.huji.ac.il Fri Jul 24 08:30:35 2020 From: ofer.peres at mail.huji.ac.il (Ofer Peres) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 11:30:35 +0300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Navagraha worship in Tamil literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks to Jean-Luc Chevillard, Srilata Raman, Archana Venkatesan, Rolf Heinrich Koch, Asko Parpola, and Jim Ryan for their valuable references and information! Best, Ofer. On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 10:47, Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Early Tamil texts have preserved planetary names which go back to the > Dravidian language of the Indus Civilization, for they can be verifiably > read in the Indus inscriptions. See > Parpola, Asko, 1994. Deciphering the Indus script, Cambridge University > Press, p. 179ff. > Parpola, Asko, 2015. The Roots of Hinduism: The Early Aryans and the Indus > Civilization, Oxford University Press, p. 266ff. > For ?ani/Saturn in particular, see 1994 p. 197 and 2015 p. 276, and for > Saturn?s (and the night-sun?s) connection with the tortoise, p. 206-208. > > With best wishes, Asko > > > > On 23 Jul 2020, at 19.51, Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Mevissen, Gerd. J.R. 2000, *??at-pa?gu ?anai?cara, the Lame Planetary God > Saturn and His v?hanas*, Serie Orientale Roma, Vol. XC. Roma: 1267-1297. > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Screenshot attached.) > > > Best, Richard > > > > -- > > Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica > > Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ > T: +64 3 312 1699 M: +64 210 640 216 > IM: @rmahoney https://t.me/rmahoney > rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org > > https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ > > -----Original Message----- > *From*: Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY > > *Reply-To*: Jonathan Silk > > *To*: Harry Spier > > *Cc*: Indology > > *Subject*: Re: [INDOLOGY] Online New Catalogus Catalogorum > *Date*: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:29:09 +0200 > X-Spam-Score: 0.0 > > This is amazing, thank you Harry! > I looked for some way to say thank you on the website, but I found no > contact information. If anyone knows... (I do not have permission to post > to the google group which you referenced) > (Further, although it is perhaps churlish to ask... if there were a way to > link between the often very complex abbreviations of catalogue references > under each text title to the catalogue of origin, that would be fantastic. > But even as it is, it's a wonderful resource!! > > Jonathan > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:19 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear list members, > I've just seen from the Samskrita list that searchable e-texts of all 39 > volumes of the New Catalogus Catalogorum are now on-line at the Vande > Mataram Library Trust website. > https://vmlt.in/ncc/1?page=1 > > The announcement giving details about other texts and future uploads is > at: https://groups.google.com/g/samskrita/c/Jgckg4yJ8jU > > Harry Spier > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > (messages to the list's managing committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info > > (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- J. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden The Netherlands copies of my publications may be found at https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Fri Jul 24 09:39:02 2020 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 11:39:02 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Navagraha worship in Tamil literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Ofer, another line of investigation is for you to explore the Nika??u-s, alias K??a-s, alias Uricco?pa?uval-s ???????????????, if we use the terminology of Mayilain?tar commenting on Na???l 459. The Tiv?karam enumerates: 35 names for arukka? ???????? 20 names for cantira? 10 names for cevv?y 14 names for puta? 11 names for viy??am 15 names for cukkira? 13 names for ca?i 1 name for ir?ku 1 name for k?tu The Pi?kalam (whose name is known to the Na???l) has usually more names: 64 names for c?riya? 36 names for cantira? 15 names for cevv?y 11 names for puta? (WHY DID HE LOSE NAMES?) 13 names for viy??a? 15 names for ve??i 11 names for ca?i (WHY DID HE LOSE NAMES?) 2 names for ir?ku 3 names for k?tu I might go on with other k??a-s but this should be enough for arguing that there is something worth exploring. I'll send you the corresponding pages directly in a private message All the best -- Jean-Luc (in M?ssen) https://twitter.com/JLC1956 On 24/07/2020 10:30, Ofer Peres via INDOLOGY wrote: > Many thanks to Jean-Luc Chevillard, Srilata Raman, Archana Venkatesan, > Rolf Heinrich Koch, Asko Parpola, and Jim Ryan for their valuable > references and information! > Best, > Ofer. > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 10:47, Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY > > wrote: > > Early Tamil texts have preserved planetary names which go back to > the Dravidian language of the Indus Civilization, for they can be > verifiably read in the Indus inscriptions. See > Parpola, Asko, 1994. Deciphering the Indus script, Cambridge > University Press, p. 179ff. > Parpola, Asko, 2015. The Roots of Hinduism: The Early Aryans and the > Indus Civilization, Oxford University Press, p. 266ff. > For ?ani/Saturn in particular, see 1994 p. 197 and 2015 p. 276, and > for Saturn?s (and the night-sun?s) connection with the tortoise, p. > 206-208. > > With best wishes, Asko > > > >> On 23 Jul 2020, at 19.51, Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY >> > >> wrote: >> >> Mevissen, Gerd. J.R. 2000,/??at-pa?gu ?anai?cara, the Lame >> Planetary God Saturn and His v?hanas/, Serie Orientale Roma, Vol. >> XC. Roma: 1267-1297. > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info > (messages to the list's > managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > From vjroebuck at btinternet.com Fri Jul 24 09:48:29 2020 From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie J Roebuck) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 10:48:29 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Navagraha worship in Tamil literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <614701F6-65D2-456C-8B3D-9C64FE7741A6@btinternet.com> Dear Colleagues I would like to read this article by Gerd Mevissen, if anyone has a digital copy. Thanks! Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK Sent from my iPad > On 23 Jul 2020, at 17:52, Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY wrote: > > ? > Dear Ofer, > > for early Sanskrit sources which provide informations about ??ni (=Saturn) as well as many pictures see > > Mevissen, Gerd. J.R. 2000, ??at-pa?gu ?anai?cara, the Lame Planetary God Saturn and His v?hanas, Serie Orientale Roma, Vol. XC. Roma: 1267-1297. > > Best > > Heiner > > > > Am 23.07.2020 um 17:21 schrieb Ofer Peres via INDOLOGY: >> Dear list members, >> >> I would be grateful for any reference to pre-modern Tamil literary texts (or Sanskrit texts that originated from the Tamil-akam) that mention Navagraha-worship and the worship of Saturn in particular. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Ofer Peres. >> The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > -- > Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch > www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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J.R. 2000, ??at-pa?gu ?anai?cara, the Lame Planetary God Saturn and His v?hanas, Serie Orientale Roma, Vol. XC. Roma: 1267-1297. >> >> Best >> >> Heiner >> >> >> >> >> Am 23.07.2020 um 17:21 schrieb Ofer Peres via INDOLOGY: >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> I would be grateful for any reference to pre-modern Tamil literary texts (or Sanskrit texts that originated from the Tamil-akam) that mention Navagraha-worship and the worship of Saturn in particular. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Ofer Peres. >>> The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> -- >> Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch >> www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistinfo.indology.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C84b3f6b85d2f419815db08d82fb6d552%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637311809986627589&sdata=rn5zlUeEhgP0ycOjAgQyEIpunlDwS4D4ZJKV6XfaCco%3D&reserved=0 (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? 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Thank you so much. all the best, Dan > On Jul 24, 2020, at 10:14 AM, David and Nancy Reigle wrote: > > Dear Dan and John, > > Here attached is a scan of my photocopy of this. > > Best regards, > > David Reigle > Colorado, U.S.A. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:37 PM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am posting this request for John Newman, who is currently not a member of the list. He is interested in the Sanskrit edition of Asa?ga?s Tattv?rtha chapter that appears in ???? [Takahashi K?ichi]. ????????????????????????????? : vastu ????????. Bibliotheca Indologica et Buddhologica 12, Tokyo: Sankibo press, 2005. The Sanskrit text should be on pp. 83-117 of that study of the concept of vastu in that chapter of the Bodhisattvabh?mi. > > If someone could provide us with an e-version of the whole work or at least the Sanskrit edition, we would be grateful. I would like a copy as well. John can be reached at newman at ncf.edu . > > Thank you, > Dan > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 18:47:46 2020 From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 20 00:17:46 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0g4KSF4KSt4KS/4KSn4KS+4KSo4KSa4KS/4KSo4KWN4KSk4KS+4KSu4KSj4KS/IOCkuOCljeCkteCli+CkquCknOCljeCknuCkteClg+CkpOCljeCkpOCkvyBzY2FuIHJlcXVlc3Q=?= In-Reply-To: <930306558.53125.1591415886977@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If anyone has got the possibility of better scan, I am still in need of it. On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 09:28, 'shankara' via ??????????????????? < bvparishat at googlegroups.com> wrote: > Dhaval ji, > > The following link has 2 different editions of Abhidhanachintamani with > svopajna tika. > https://archive.org/details/abhidhan_chintamani_002275_hr6/mode/2up > > regards > shankara > > > On Saturday, 6 June, 2020, 7:57:05 am IST, Dhaval Patel < > drdhaval2785 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Respected scholars, > If anyone of you has a good quality scan of the above mentioned book, > kindly share it with me. The scans which I got from Digital library of > india or archive.org are very poor quality scans. Anusvaras and visargas > are all gone. Letters are barely legible. > I am more interested in the commentary part of it. I have the mUla text > from other sources / commentaries. > > -- > Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S > Collector and District Magistrate, Surat > www.sanskritworld.in > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CADSGPzUE7bdcCWmGyLOcZbyx-WSg9g7yYpC%2Bm%3DiZ%2BFDb4pWDSg%40mail.gmail.com > > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/930306558.53125.1591415886977%40mail.yahoo.com > > . > -- Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S Collector and District Magistrate, Surat www.sanskritworld.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 19:00:33 2020 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 21:00:33 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0g4KSa4KWB4KSa4KWL4KSwPw==?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Madhav, Could borrowing back from the vernacular perhaps be part of Sanskrit being, or having been in former centuries, a living language? As for the perfect formation: one could think of the optionality (or anityat?) of ?iC as the real underlying issue, and this was already discussed before Vopadeva by M?dhava, who refers to even earlier discussions such as the one occasioned by the K??ik?v?tti citing jaga?atu? jaga?u? (although from root ga? in the cur?di ga?a) as counterexamples under ata ekahal-...: here Bodhisattvade??y?c?rya-Jinendrabuddhi is more ready to accept the KV's examples than Vidvadvara-Haradattami?ra (both refer nevertheless to a ny?ya 'anitya?yant?? cur?daya?'). Could this difference further point to a *diglossic divergence* within the Sanskrit tradition going back to the divergence between, on one side, the KV of broader ("popular") orientation (followed by Jinendrabuddhi, Vopadeva, Melputtur Narayana, the modern M?dhava) and, on the other side, the Bh??ya of ?i??a-elite orientation (followed by Haradatta, Kaiya?a, the old M?dhava, i.e., M?dhava-S?ya?a ...)? With best wishes, Jan On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 14:43, Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Dear Jan, > > Narayan Prasad on BVP also pointed to Bopadeva's Kavikalpadruma for > ?????/??????. The verb form ????? may as well be a borrow-back from > vernacular usages. For now, Bopadeva is a good authority for me to use > ?????/????? in my verses. The past perfect corresponding to ?????? is the > periphrastic ???????? type, rather than ?????. With best wishes, > > Madhav > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:31 PM Jan E.M. Houben > wrote: > >> Dear Madhav, >> Rosen must have taken into account forms of medieval "living sanskrit" >> noted by Vopadeva in his Kalpadruma. >> Vopadeva lists, in stanza 265, *cur-ki steye*, with anubandha *ki* >> indicating that it is among the roots that "belong to the *cur* class >> only optionally": >> Palsule, ed. of Kavikalpadruma of Vopadeva, Poona (sic) 1954, p. xxvii >> (Vopadeva's anubandhas), and p. 43 for stanza 265: a commentary explains: *ki, >> corayati corati*. >> Palsule's Concordance published in 1955 in the Bulletin of the Deccan >> College Research Institute lists *cur* on p. 46 as being accepted by all >> grammarians exclusively as belonging to the Xth class, except Vopadeva who >> accepts it in both the Ist and Xth class. >> I did not check what your namesake Madhava has to say about *cur*. >> But Melputtur Narayana Bhatta summarizes him in his brief comment on* >> cur* (p. 619 of Guruvayur edition): >> *cura steye / ak?ra uktyartha? / ??ica? ca? (AA 1.3.74) iti ta? cur?der >> neti mata? m?dhavad??itam / tenobhayapaditvam eva / corayati, >> corayate?rtham / * >> >> * ke cit sarvacur?d?n?m anitya?yantat?? jagu? / ye??? vikalpacihna? >> ( ? -citta? ?) sy?t te??m eveti m?dhava? //* >> In addition, Narayana Bhatta gives* cura steye / corati* in his long >> appendix to the Dhatupatha, under *drume?dhik? bhv?daya?*. >> However, could one not have a perfect *cucora* even without accepting *cura >> steye / corati*? >> Best, >> Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 17:56, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> In his book *Radices Sanskritae*, published in 1827 from Berlin, >>> Frederick Rosen lists the root ???? as occurring in the first and the 10th >>> conjugations, and provides forms like ?????/?????? and ?????/????????. >>> [image: image.png] >>> I have used the form ????? in one of my verses, and I wanted to know >>> from other Vaiy?kara?as if there is any evidence for the root ???? in the >>> first conjugation. Perhaps, G.B. Palsule's concordance of the various >>> versions of the Dh?tup??ha has some information. I couldn't find my copy of >>> this book. Rosen does not list the source of his information. >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >>> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Jan E.M. Houben* >> >> Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology >> >> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* >> >> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) >> >> *Sciences historiques et philologiques * >> >> *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu * >> >> *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben >> * >> > -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Palaniappan From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Indology List Reply-To: Asko Parpola Date: Friday, July 24, 2020 at 2:47 AM To: Rolf Heinrich Koch Cc: Indology List Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Navagraha worship in Tamil literature Early Tamil texts have preserved planetary names which go back to the Dravidian language of the Indus Civilization, for they can be verifiably read in the Indus inscriptions. See Parpola, Asko, 1994. Deciphering the Indus script, Cambridge University Press, p. 179ff. Parpola, Asko, 2015. The Roots of Hinduism: The Early Aryans and the Indus Civilization, Oxford University Press, p. 266ff. For ?ani/Saturn in particular, see 1994 p. 197 and 2015 p. 276, and for Saturn?s (and the night-sun?s) connection with the tortoise, p. 206-208. With best wishes, Asko On 23 Jul 2020, at 19.51, Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY wrote: Mevissen, Gerd. J.R. 2000, ??at-pa?gu ?anai?cara, the Lame Planetary God Saturn and His v?hanas, Serie Orientale Roma, Vol. XC. Roma: 1267-1297. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From palaniappa at aol.com Fri Jul 24 20:59:24 2020 From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 15:59:24 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Johannes Bronkhorst's picture of early India's intellectual history In-Reply-To: <12F4DBDB-7505-466E-89DA-94E3C54F2BC7@aol.com> Message-ID: <369BDFAB-8448-4A29-A7FC-417679AA4BBD@aol.com> Dear Indologists, I just read the review essay, ?Greater Magadha and the New Brahmanism: Recent Publications by Johannes Bronkhorst? by Tim Lubin published in 2015. 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URL: From dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 25 01:50:25 2020 From: dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com (Jeffery Long) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 21:50:25 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Thieme_on_=C4=AA=C5=9Bopani=E1=B9=A3ad?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Madhav, I seem to recall that Patrick Olivelle discusses the relative chronology of the principal Upani?ads in the introduction to his translation of them, published by Oxford University Press. All the best, Jeff Dr. Jeffery D. Long Professor of Religion and Asian Studies Elizabethtown College Elizabethtown, PA https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Ethical, Philosophical, and Theological Lexington Books ?One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life.? (Holy Mother Sarada Devi) ?We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself.? (Carl Sagan) > On Jul 24, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > I have been rereading Professor Paul Thieme's article on the ??opani?ad published in the JAOS. In one of his discussions, he seems to claim that the Ch?ndogya-Upani?ad is older than the ??a. Here is that passage: > > > > What is a good modern discussion about the relative chronology of the "older" Upani?ads? Has anyone discussed Thieme's views? With best regards, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu Sat Jul 25 02:02:33 2020 From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 20 02:02:33 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Thieme_on_=C4=AA=C5=9Bopani=E1=B9=A3ad?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Madhav, the image does not show. The Isa is largely, though not exclusively, a compilation of mantras from the Brhad-Aranyaka (or perhaps the Brhad-aranyaka is a commentary on them (?)). I am under the impression that the 8th prapathaka of the Chandogya, the second part or so called prajapati-vakya, is a reply to and a rejection of Yajnavalkya's doctrine of the three states of the self in the 4th Adhyaya of the Brhad-Aranyaka. If that is right, then at least parts of the Isa would be older than parts of the Chandogya, though the details of their individual composition history might be lot more complicated. I would imagine that Signe Cohen "Text and Authority in the Older Upanishads" (Brill 2008) is still the most recent account on the chronology of the Upanishads. Best wishes Aleksandar Aleksandar Uskokov Lector in Sanskrit South Asian Studies Council, Yale University 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:42 PM To: Indology Subject: [INDOLOGY] Thieme on ??opani?ad Dear Colleagues, I have been rereading Professor Paul Thieme's article on the ??opani?ad published in the JAOS. In one of his discussions, he seems to claim that the Ch?ndogya-Upani?ad is older than the ??a. Here is that passage: [image.png] What is a good modern discussion about the relative chronology of the "older" Upani?ads? Has anyone discussed Thieme's views? With best regards, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 02:57:31 2020 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 20:57:31 -0600 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Thieme_on_=C4=AA=C5=9Bopani=E1=B9=A3ad?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is discussion of the relative chronology of the B?had?ra?yaka upani?ad in Bronkhorst's *Greater Magadha,* esp. chapter IIA.3 and in part III Chronology. The discussion is mainly in the context of the doctrine of Y?j?avalkya's teachings and ?tman, karman and punarjanman, and does not discuss the ???v?syopani?ad specifically. Best, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 19:43, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I have been rereading Professor Paul Thieme's article on the > ??opani?ad published in the JAOS. In one of his discussions, he seems to > claim that the Ch?ndogya-Upani?ad is older than the ??a. Here is that > passage: > > [image: image.png] > > What is a good modern discussion about the relative chronology of the > "older" Upani?ads? Has anyone discussed Thieme's views? With best regards, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 03:01:04 2020 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 21:01:04 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Johannes Bronkhorst's picture of early India's intellectual history In-Reply-To: <369BDFAB-8448-4A29-A7FC-417679AA4BBD@aol.com> Message-ID: I planned a conference for last month on this very issue, and Tim was one of the invited speakers. See - https://www.eventleaf.com/greatermagadha But it had to be cancelled, back in March, due to the obvious. We are currently in active discussion about whether to hold it as a physical conference next April, or maybe June, or whether to go virtual. We're all getting much more used to virtual than formerly: it's getting normalized. And there are advantages but also you lose a lot by not having folks in the same room. I have made a new website, - https://www.eventleaf.com/GreaterMagadha2021 where you can register as an "attendee" if you want to receive future information about this meeting. Best, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 15:00, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Indologists, > > I just read the review essay, ?Greater Magadha and the New Brahmanism: > Recent Publications by Johannes Bronkhorst > ? > by Tim Lubin published in 2015. Now that we are in 2020, have there been > any updates to scholarly opinions or consensus regarding Bronkhorst?s > conclusions, especially the ones considered controversial? > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Palaniappan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Jul 25 03:06:29 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 20:06:29 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Thieme_on_=C4=AA=C5=9Bopani=E1=B9=A3ad?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Jeff, I have read through Patrick's Introduction to his book, but he does not specifically discuss the order of Ch?ndogya and ??? Upani?ads that Thieme discusses in the paragraph I cited. I would have preliminarily assumed that as part of the ?ukla Yajurveda Sa?hit?, the ??? Upani?ad might be somewhat earlier. Best, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:50 PM Jeffery Long wrote: > Dear Madhav, > > I seem to recall that Patrick Olivelle discusses the relative chronology > of the principal Upani?ads in the introduction to his translation of them, > published by Oxford University Press. > > All the best, > Jeff > > Dr. Jeffery D. Long > Professor of Religion and Asian Studies > Elizabethtown College > Elizabethtown, PA > > https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong > > Series Editor, *Explorations in Indic Traditions: Ethical, Philosophical, > and Theological* > Lexington Books > > ?One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all > difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of > life.? (Holy Mother Sarada Devi) > > ?We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself.? (Carl Sagan) > > > On Jul 24, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > I have been rereading Professor Paul Thieme's article on the > ??opani?ad published in the JAOS. In one of his discussions, he seems to > claim that the Ch?ndogya-Upani?ad is older than the ??a. Here is that > passage: > > [image: image.png] > > What is a good modern discussion about the relative chronology of the > "older" Upani?ads? Has anyone discussed Thieme's views? With best regards, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Jul 25 03:10:19 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 20:10:19 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Thieme_on_=C4=AA=C5=9Bopani=E1=B9=A3ad?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Aleksandar, Your guess is similar to mine. Will try to get hold of Signe Cohen's "Text and Authority in the Older Upanishads" (Brill 2008). I am currently reading ?a?kara's Bh??ya on the ??? Upani?ad, and in that context re-reading lot of secondary materials. Best, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:02 PM Uskokov, Aleksandar < aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu> wrote: > Dear Madhav, > > the image does not show. The Isa is largely, though not exclusively, a > compilation of mantras from the Brhad-Aranyaka (or perhaps the > Brhad-aranyaka is a commentary on them (?)). I am under the impression that > the 8th prapathaka of the Chandogya, the second part or so called > prajapati-vakya, is a reply to and a rejection of Yajnavalkya's doctrine of > the three states of the self in the 4th Adhyaya of the Brhad-Aranyaka. If > that is right, then at least parts of the Isa would be older than parts of > the Chandogya, though the details of their individual composition history > might be lot more complicated. > > I would imagine that Signe Cohen "Text and Authority in the Older > Upanishads" (Brill 2008) is still the most recent account on the chronology > of the Upanishads. > > Best wishes > Aleksandar > > Aleksandar Uskokov > > Lector in Sanskrit > > South Asian Studies Council, Yale University > > 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu > ------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of > Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:42 PM > *To:* Indology > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Thieme on ??opani?ad > > Dear Colleagues, > > I have been rereading Professor Paul Thieme's article on the > ??opani?ad published in the JAOS. In one of his discussions, he seems to > claim that the Ch?ndogya-Upani?ad is older than the ??a. Here is that > passage: > > [image: image.png] > > What is a good modern discussion about the relative chronology of the > "older" Upani?ads? Has anyone discussed Thieme's views? With best regards, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Jul 25 03:29:16 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 20 20:29:16 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Thieme_on_=C4=AA=C5=9Bopani=E1=B9=A3ad?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Dominik. Will look it up. Best, Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:57 PM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > There is discussion of the relative chronology of the B?had?ra?yaka > upani?ad in Bronkhorst's *Greater Magadha,* esp. chapter IIA.3 and in > part III Chronology. The discussion is mainly in the context of the > doctrine of Y?j?avalkya's teachings and ?tman, karman and punarjanman, and > does not discuss the ???v?syopani?ad specifically. > > Best, > Dominik > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 19:43, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I have been rereading Professor Paul Thieme's article on the >> ??opani?ad published in the JAOS. In one of his discussions, he seems to >> claim that the Ch?ndogya-Upani?ad is older than the ??a. Here is that >> passage: >> >> [image: image.png] >> >> What is a good modern discussion about the relative chronology of the >> "older" Upani?ads? Has anyone discussed Thieme's views? With best regards, >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhakgirish at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 04:32:57 2020 From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (Girish Jha) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 20 10:02:57 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Link to the Meghadutam with the Subodha commentary of Bharat Mallik. Message-ID: Dear Indology Colleagues, Could any of you provide me with the Link to the book stated above for my pleasure? Thanks and regards Girish K. Jha Retd University Professor Dept of Sanskrit Patna University Residence: Kolkata -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Sat Jul 25 07:12:42 2020 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 20 07:12:42 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Thieme_on_=C4=AA=C5=9Bopani=E1=B9=A3ad?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would add to Aleksandar's suggestion the thought that Ch?ndogya VIII may be, at least in part, post-Buddhist and in fact a response to early Buddhism. This has to do with the exercise of "finding" (anu-vid, upa-labh) the self, which resonates closely with Pali materials in terms of both meaning and lexicon, but seems framed rather differently than the issue of knowledge of the self in other relatively early materials. If this idea is at all credible, it should not imply that the Ch?ndogya as a whole is so late, just the redaction of the final section. best to all, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:29 PM To: Dominik Wujastyk ; Indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Thieme on ??opani?ad Thanks, Dominik. Will look it up. Best, Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:57 PM Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: There is discussion of the relative chronology of the B?had?ra?yaka upani?ad in Bronkhorst's Greater Magadha, esp. chapter IIA.3 and in part III Chronology. The discussion is mainly in the context of the doctrine of Y?j?avalkya's teachings and ?tman, karman and punarjanman, and does not discuss the ???v?syopani?ad specifically. Best, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 19:43, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Colleagues, I have been rereading Professor Paul Thieme's article on the ??opani?ad published in the JAOS. In one of his discussions, he seems to claim that the Ch?ndogya-Upani?ad is older than the ??a. Here is that passage: [image.png] What is a good modern discussion about the relative chronology of the "older" Upani?ads? Has anyone discussed Thieme's views? With best regards, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aparpola at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 07:31:37 2020 From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 20 10:31:37 +0300 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_changes_in_ga=E1=B9=87as/present-tense_stem_classes_of_Sanskrit_verbs?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7A167ABF-FA20-495A-86C6-58A281F92037@gmail.com> Dear Antonia: Werba, Chlodwig H., 1997. Verba Indoarica: Die prim?ren und sekund?ren Wurzeln der Sanskrit-Sprache. Pars I: Radices primariae. Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. viii, 590 pp. ISBN 3-7001-2628-X. Werba, Chlodwig H., forthcoming posthumously. Verba Indoarica. Pars II: Radices secundariae. Got?, Toshifumi, 1987. Die "I. Pr?sensklasse" im Vedischen. Untersuchung der vollstufigen thematischen Wurzelpr?sentia. (Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Linguistik und Kommunikationsforschung, 18; ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften, Phil.-hist. Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 489.) Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. 450 pp. ISBN 3-7001-1119-3. Got?, Toshifumi, 1990. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 1. am(i), 2. ay/i, 3. as/s. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 15: 987-1012. Got?, Toshifumi, 1991. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 4. dogh/dugh/doh/duh, 5. sav/su, 6. (1) sav(i)/s?, 7. (2) sav(i)/s?. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 16: 681-707. Got?, Toshifumi, 1993. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 8. ard/?d, 9. ??, 10. uk?, 11. e?/i?, 12. e?(i)/i?(i), 13. ok/oc/uc, 14. ka?, 15. vak?/uk?. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 19: 119-141. Got?, Toshifumi, 1997. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 16. chad, 17. chand/chad, 18. chard/ch?d, 19. dagh/dhag, 20. dve?/dvi?, 21. bandh/badh, 22. (1) man, 23 (2) man, 24. mn?, 25. (1) yav/yu, 26. (2) yav/yu, 27. san(i), 28 star/st?, 29. star(i)/st??.. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 22: 1001-1059. Got?, Toshifumi, 2001. Review of Werba, Verba Indoarica, Pars I. Kratylos 46: 62-72. With best wishes, Asko > On 24 Jul 2020, at 22.05, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear all, > > Is there an overview or systematic study of Sanskrit verbal roots either changing what present-tense stem class they belong to, or moving towards belonging to more than one class? (I am particularly looking for verbs moving into/also taking on forms of Class X, but am also wondering about movement towards thematic formations more generally. So far, my searches haven't had any useful results.) > > I was going to go through Whitney to make a list of my own; but before doing that, I thought I'd check whether the kalpataru might have a piece of fruit all ready for me. > > Many thanks, > Antonia > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Patrick McCartney, PhD Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development (OICD), Kyoto Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, Japan Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian National University Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National University Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney Phone + Whatsapp + Line: +61410644259 Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap Yogascapes in Japan Academia Linkedin Modern Yoga Research *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aparpola at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 07:45:33 2020 From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 20 10:45:33 +0300 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_changes_in_ga=E1=B9=87as/present-tense_stem_classes_of_Sanskrit_verbs?= In-Reply-To: <7A167ABF-FA20-495A-86C6-58A281F92037@gmail.com> Message-ID: Got?, Toshifumi, 2013. Old Indo-Aryan morphology and its Indo-Iranian background. In co-operation with Jared S. Klein and Velizar Sadovski. (Ver?ffentlichungen zur Iranistik, Nr 60; ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte, 849. Band.) Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. ii, 222, vi pp. ISBN 3-7001-6948-2. > On 25 Jul 2020, at 10.31, Asko Parpola wrote: > > Dear Antonia: > > Werba, Chlodwig H., 1997. Verba Indoarica: Die prim?ren und sekund?ren Wurzeln der Sanskrit-Sprache. Pars I: Radices primariae. Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. viii, 590 pp. ISBN 3-7001-2628-X. > > Werba, Chlodwig H., forthcoming posthumously. Verba Indoarica. Pars II: Radices secundariae. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1987. Die "I. Pr?sensklasse" im Vedischen. Untersuchung der vollstufigen thematischen Wurzelpr?sentia. (Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Linguistik und Kommunikationsforschung, 18; ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften, Phil.-hist. Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 489.) Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. 450 pp. ISBN 3-7001-1119-3. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1990. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 1. am(i), 2. ay/i, 3. as/s. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 15: 987-1012. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1991. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 4. dogh/dugh/doh/duh, 5. sav/su, 6. (1) sav(i)/s?, 7. (2) sav(i)/s?. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 16: 681-707. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1993. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 8. ard/?d, 9. ??, 10. uk?, 11. e?/i?, 12. e?(i)/i?(i), 13. ok/oc/uc, 14. ka?, 15. vak?/uk?. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 19: 119-141. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1997. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 16. chad, 17. chand/chad, 18. chard/ch?d, 19. dagh/dhag, 20. dve?/dvi?, 21. bandh/badh, 22. (1) man, 23 (2) man, 24. mn?, 25. (1) yav/yu, 26. (2) yav/yu, 27. san(i), 28 star/st?, 29. star(i)/st??.. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 22: 1001-1059. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 2001. Review of Werba, Verba Indoarica, Pars I. Kratylos 46: 62-72. > > With best wishes, Asko > >> On 24 Jul 2020, at 22.05, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> Is there an overview or systematic study of Sanskrit verbal roots either changing what present-tense stem class they belong to, or moving towards belonging to more than one class? (I am particularly looking for verbs moving into/also taking on forms of Class X, but am also wondering about movement towards thematic formations more generally. So far, my searches haven't had any useful results.) >> >> I was going to go through Whitney to make a list of my own; but before doing that, I thought I'd check whether the kalpataru might have a piece of fruit all ready for me. >> >> Many thanks, >> Antonia >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Agnes.KORN at cnrs.fr Sat Jul 25 08:03:33 2020 From: Agnes.KORN at cnrs.fr (KORN Agnes) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 20 08:03:33 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_changes_in_ga=E1=B9=87as/present-tense_stem_classes_of_Sanskrit_verbs?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <661B19CD3E570F4D995C9655E3EFA2B866FFE4BD@CNREXCMBX01P.core-res.rootcore.local> Joachim, Ulrike. 1978. Mehrfachpr?sentien im Rgveda. (Europ?ische Hochschulschriften : Reihe 21, Linguistik, 004.) Frankfurt am Main: Lang. 179pp. (Bibliography: S. 4-9). De : INDOLOGY [mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info] De la part de Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY Envoy? : samedi, 25 juillet 2020 09:46 ? : Antonia Ruppel Cc : Indology Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] changes in ga?as/present-tense stem classes of Sanskrit verbs Got?, Toshifumi, 2013. Old Indo-Aryan morphology and its Indo-Iranian background. In co-operation with Jared S. Klein and Velizar Sadovski. (Ver?ffentlichungen zur Iranistik, Nr 60; ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte, 849. Band.) Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. ii, 222, vi pp. ISBN 3-7001-6948-2. On 25 Jul 2020, at 10.31, Asko Parpola > wrote: Dear Antonia: Werba, Chlodwig H., 1997. Verba Indoarica: Die prim?ren und sekund?ren Wurzeln der Sanskrit-Sprache. Pars I: Radices primariae. Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. viii, 590 pp. ISBN 3-7001-2628-X. Werba, Chlodwig H., forthcoming posthumously. Verba Indoarica. Pars II: Radices secundariae. Got?, Toshifumi, 1987. Die "I. Pr?sensklasse" im Vedischen. Untersuchung der vollstufigen thematischen Wurzelpr?sentia. (Ver?ffentlichungen der Kommission f?r Linguistik und Kommunikationsforschung, 18; ?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften, Phil.-hist. Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 489.) Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. 450 pp. ISBN 3-7001-1119-3. Got?, Toshifumi, 1990. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 1. am(i), 2. ay/i, 3. as/s. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 15: 987-1012. Got?, Toshifumi, 1991. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 4. dogh/dugh/doh/duh, 5. sav/su, 6. (1) sav(i)/s?, 7. (2) sav(i)/s?. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 16: 681-707. Got?, Toshifumi, 1993. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 8. ard/?d, 9. ??, 10. uk?, 11. e?/i?, 12. e?(i)/i?(i), 13. ok/oc/uc, 14. ka?, 15. vak?/uk?. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 19: 119-141. Got?, Toshifumi, 1997. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer Verbalformen: 16. chad, 17. chand/chad, 18. chard/ch?d, 19. dagh/dhag, 20. dve?/dvi?, 21. bandh/badh, 22. (1) man, 23 (2) man, 24. mn?, 25. (1) yav/yu, 26. (2) yav/yu, 27. san(i), 28 star/st?, 29. star(i)/st??.. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 22: 1001-1059. Got?, Toshifumi, 2001. Review of Werba, Verba Indoarica, Pars I. Kratylos 46: 62-72. With best wishes, Asko On 24 Jul 2020, at 22.05, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear all, Is there an overview or systematic study of Sanskrit verbal roots either changing what present-tense stem class they belong to, or moving towards belonging to more than one class? (I am particularly looking for verbs moving into/also taking on forms of Class X, but am also wondering about movement towards thematic formations more generally. So far, my searches haven't had any useful results.) I was going to go through Whitney to make a list of my own; but before doing that, I thought I'd check whether the kalpataru might have a piece of fruit all ready for me. Many thanks, Antonia _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcgunkel at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 12:52:51 2020 From: dcgunkel at gmail.com (Dieter Gunkel) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 20 14:52:51 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09changes_in_ga=E1=B9=87as/present-tense_stem_classes_of_Sanskrit_verbs?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Antonia, For a quick overview of changes in stem classes in the Vedic period, I find Martin K?mmel's "Liste vedischer Verbst?mme und -Formen" to be extremely useful: https://www.oriindufa.uni-jena.de/iskvomedia/indogermanistik/K?mmel_vved.pdf It's based (in part) on the works already cited by Profs Korn and Parpola (and other works, of course). Innovative present stem classes are easy to find if you skim through and keep an eye out for arrows. Also, there's a new dissertation on the nasal presents by Albert Zasada (LMU Munich), which you can add to the list of monographs on Vedic verbal morphology. All the best, Dieter On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 10:08 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Got?, Toshifumi, 2013. Old Indo-Aryan morphology and its Indo-Iranian > background. In co-operation with Jared S. Klein and Velizar Sadovski. > (Ver?ffentlichungen zur Iranistik, Nr 60; ?sterreichische Akademie der > Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-historische Klasse, Sitzungsberichte, 849. > Band.) Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. ii, > 222, vi pp. ISBN 3-7001-6948-2. > > On 25 Jul 2020, at 10.31, Asko Parpola wrote: > > Dear Antonia: > > Werba, Chlodwig H., 1997. Verba Indoarica: Die prim?ren und sekund?ren > Wurzeln der Sanskrit-Sprache. Pars I: Radices primariae. Wien: Verlag der > ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. viii, 590 pp. ISBN > 3-7001-2628-X. > > Werba, Chlodwig H., forthcoming posthumously. Verba Indoarica. Pars II: > Radices secundariae. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1987. Die "I. Pr?sensklasse" im Vedischen. Untersuchung > der vollstufigen thematischen Wurzelpr?sentia. (Ver?ffentlichungen der > Kommission f?r Linguistik und Kommunikationsforschung, 18; ?sterreichische > Akademie der Wissenschaften, Phil.-hist. Klasse, Sitzungsberichte 489.) > Wien: Verlag der ?sterreichischen Akademie der Wissenschaften. 450 pp. > ISBN 3-7001-1119-3. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1990. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer > Verbalformen: 1. am(i), 2. ay/i, 3. as/s. Bulletin of the National Museum > of Ethnology (Osaka) 15: 987-1012. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1991. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer > Verbalformen: 4. dogh/dugh/doh/duh, 5. sav/su, 6. (1) sav(i)/s?, 7. (2) > sav(i)/s?. Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 16: 681-707. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1993. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer > Verbalformen: 8. ard/?d, 9. ??, 10. uk?, 11. e?/i?, 12. e?(i)/i?(i), 13. > ok/oc/uc, 14. ka?, 15. vak?/uk?. Bulletin of the National Museum of > Ethnology (Osaka) 19: 119-141. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 1997. Materialien zu einer Liste altindischer > Verbalformen: 16. chad, 17. chand/chad, 18. chard/ch?d, 19. dagh/dhag, 20. > dve?/dvi?, 21. bandh/badh, 22. (1) man, 23 (2) man, 24. mn?, 25. (1) > yav/yu, 26. (2) yav/yu, 27. san(i), 28 star/st?, 29. star(i)/st??.. > Bulletin of the National Museum of Ethnology (Osaka) 22: 1001-1059. > > Got?, Toshifumi, 2001. Review of Werba, Verba Indoarica, Pars I. Kratylos > 46: 62-72. > > With best wishes, Asko > > On 24 Jul 2020, at 22.05, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear all, > > Is there an overview or systematic study of Sanskrit verbal roots either > changing what present-tense stem class they belong to, or moving towards > belonging to more than one class? (I am particularly looking for verbs > moving into/also taking on forms of Class X, but am also wondering about > movement towards thematic formations more generally. So far, my searches > haven't had any useful results.) > > I was going to go through Whitney to make a list of my own; but before > doing that, I thought I'd check whether the kalpataru might have a piece of > fruit all ready for me. > > Many thanks, > Antonia > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > *Dear All, a colleague (not on our list) has asked me for a pdf of:* > > > * Masica, Colin: Aryan and Non-Aryan elements in North Indian agriculture. > In Deshpande, M. M., and P. E. Hook, Eds. Aryan and Non-Aryan in India. Ann > Arbor: Karoma. 1979* > > *Though I have the book, I cannot get to our offices/library now.* > *Any help is greatly appreciated!* > > *Michael* > > > > > Michael Witzel > Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow > Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA > ph. 1 - 617 496 2990 > witzel at fas.harvard.edu > www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From witzel at fas.harvard.edu Sat Jul 25 15:49:18 2020 From: witzel at fas.harvard.edu (Witzel, Michael) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 20 15:49:18 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Masica on Language X pdf? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Madhav (and Tim), many thanks for the pdf! As usual, our list is a cornucopia! Best wishes, Michael On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Madhav Deshpande > wrote: Dear Michael, This book is now included among the 100 books that the University of Michigan Press is now planning to put on Open Access using the Open Book Initiative of the NEH. Will let you all know when this actually goes online. In the meantime, I will send the pdf for this article to your personal email. Best, Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear All, a colleague (not on our list) has asked me for a pdf of: Masica, Colin: Aryan and Non-Aryan elements in North Indian agriculture. In Deshpande, M. M., and P. E. Hook, Eds. Aryan and Non-Aryan in India. Ann Arbor: Karoma. 1979 Though I have the book, I cannot get to our offices/library now. Any help is greatly appreciated! Michael Michael Witzel Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA ph. 1 - 617 496 2990 witzel at fas.harvard.edu www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Michael Witzel Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA ph. 1 - 617 496 2990 witzel at fas.harvard.edu www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Apart from the uncertainties associated with vaccine development for Covid-19, a virtual conference will make it accessible to a lot more people, if sufficient bandwidth is available. Regards, Palaniappan From: Dominik Wujastyk Date: Friday, July 24, 2020 at 10:01 PM To: Sudalaimuthu Palaniappant Cc: Indology List Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Johannes Bronkhorst's picture of early India's intellectual history I planned a conference for last month on this very issue, and Tim was one of the invited speakers. See https://www.eventleaf.com/greatermagadha But it had to be cancelled, back in March, due to the obvious. We are currently in active discussion about whether to hold it as a physical conference next April, or maybe June, or whether to go virtual. We're all getting much more used to virtual than formerly: it's getting normalized. And there are advantages but also you lose a lot by not having folks in the same room. I have made a new website, https://www.eventleaf.com/GreaterMagadha2021 where you can register as an "attendee" if you want to receive future information about this meeting. Best, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 15:00, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear Indologists, I just read the review essay, ?Greater Magadha and the New Brahmanism: Recent Publications by Johannes Bronkhorst? by Tim Lubin published in 2015. Now that we are in 2020, have there been any updates to scholarly opinions or consensus regarding Bronkhorst?s conclusions, especially the ones considered controversial? Thanks Regards, Palaniappan _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Sun Jul 26 06:04:15 2020 From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 20 08:04:15 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Antw:__changes_in_ga=E1=B9=87as/present-tense_stem_classes_of_Sanskrit_verbs?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5F1D1CDF020000C3000B15D5@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> Dear Antonia, for an overview of the morphological features and their Indo-European background I would also recommend Helmut Rix. LIV ? Lexikon der indogermanischen Verben. Die Wurzeln und ihre Prim?rstammbildungen. Wiesbaden 2001. Best, Raik Strunz ??????????? Raik Strunz, M.A. Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 Seminar f?r S?dasienkunde und Indologie ? Indologie ? Orientalisches Institut Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 D-06108 Halle (Saale) www.indologie.uni-halle.de ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ? >>> Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY 24.07.20 21.07 Uhr >>> Dear all, Is there an overview or systematic study of Sanskrit verbal roots either changing what present-tense stem class they belong to, or moving towards belonging to more than one class? (I am particularly looking for verbs moving into/also taking on forms of Class X, but am also wondering about movement towards thematic formations more generally. So far, my searches haven't had any useful results.) I was going to go through Whitney to make a list of my own; but before doing that, I thought I'd check whether the kalpataru might have a piece of fruit all ready for me. 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Thank you again, and I hope you all have a very good week ahead, Antonia On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 21:05, Antonia Ruppel wrote: > Dear all, > > Is there an overview or systematic study of Sanskrit verbal roots either > changing what present-tense stem class they belong to, or moving towards > belonging to more than one class? (I am particularly looking for verbs > moving into/also taking on forms of Class X, but am also wondering about > movement towards thematic formations more generally. So far, my searches > haven't had any useful results.) > > I was going to go through Whitney to make a list of my own; but before > doing that, I thought I'd check whether the kalpataru might have a piece of > fruit all ready for me. > > Many thanks, > Antonia > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Vitus -- Dr. Vitus Angermeier University of Vienna Department of South Asian, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies Spitalgasse 2.2.1, A-1090 Wien, Austria From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 19:31:41 2020 From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 20 15:31:41 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09changes_in_ga=E1=B9=87as/present-tense_stem_classes_of_Sanskrit_verbs?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here is the link on archive.org to JAOS 13 with Lanman's article Antonia refers to: https://ia802905.us.archive.org/21/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.55122/2015.55122.Journal-Of-The-American-Oriental-Society--Vol13.pdf Harry Spier On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:40 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all, > > Many thanks to everyone who replied on- and off-list! > > In addition to your suggestions, I have also been looking at the section > 'Transfer of present classes' in Oberlies' Grammar of Epic Sanskrit (2003: > 189-202), and Lanman's On multiple presets and on transfers of conjugation > in the Sanskrit verb system (JAOS 13 (1889) XXXVI-XXXIX). It is interesting > that secondary -aya-formations are often excluded from such considerations, > probably because they are automatically assumed to be causatives rather > than alternative (simple) present-tense forms. > > Thank you again, and I hope you all have a very good week ahead, > Antonia > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 21:05, Antonia Ruppel > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Is there an overview or systematic study of Sanskrit verbal roots either >> changing what present-tense stem class they belong to, or moving towards >> belonging to more than one class? (I am particularly looking for verbs >> moving into/also taking on forms of Class X, but am also wondering about >> movement towards thematic formations more generally. So far, my searches >> haven't had any useful results.) >> >> I was going to go through Whitney to make a list of my own; but before >> doing that, I thought I'd check whether the kalpataru might have a piece of >> fruit all ready for me. >> >> Many thanks, >> Antonia >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 20:04:38 2020 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 20 01:34:38 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Unicode Sanskrit and Vedic font Adishila Message-ID: Dear all The Adishila fonts are officially released. Please download and share. https://adishila.com/fonts/ The main features of the fonts: Adishila comes with 4 different designs- Adishila:This font comes with eight type faces. The font design is inspired by Vanivilas Press Srirangam. Originally developed by Nirnay Sagar type foundry. Adishila San: This font comes with four type faces. The font design is inspired by Nirnay Sagar Press books. Originally developed by Nirnay Sagar type foundry. Adishila Dev: This font comes with three type faces. The font design is inspired by Nirnay Sagar Press books. Originally developed by Nirnay Sagar type foundry. Adishila Samskrta: This font comes with single type face. The font design is exact trace of Nirnay Sagar Press books without modification. Originally developed by Nirnay Sagar type foundry. Character set- Adishila contains Vedic and Devanagari Extended Unicode character sets. The font also contains Latin and Diacritics IAST character sets and can be used for Sanskrit transliteration. This is also available with the Letterpress variant in which the top line has a gaps after every character; Adishila San contains Vedic and Devanagari Extended Unicode character sets. The font also contains Latin and Diacritics IAST character sets and can be used for Sanskrit transliteration. This is also available with the Letterpress variant in which the top line has a gaps after every character; Adishila Dev contains Unicode Devanagari fonts and Latin character sets. Compatibility Adishila can be used on all major document editing software platforms including LaTeX MS word Indesign etc. on Windows, MAC and Linux. Keyboard compatibility The fonts can be typeset using Adishila Keyboard or any other standard keyboards like INSCRIPT, Devanagari(for MAC OS) or Vidyut Phonetic Keboard, Vaidika keyboard which are available on the internet. Also compatible with Intranslator 2003. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Jul 27 21:33:58 2020 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 20 14:33:58 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0gVW5pY29kZSBTYW5za3JpdCBhbmQgVmVkaWMgZm9udCBBZGlzaGlsYQ==?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Krishna Prasad Ji, A great load of thanks are due to you and your Adishila font creator team for their tireless work and making this beautiful set of fonts available free of cost to the world of Sanskrit scholarship. I congratulate you from the bottom of my heart. Having spent many years of my own life in designing fonts, I know how much of hard work is involved in this task. With best regards, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Krishnaprasad G wrote: > Dear all > The Adishila fonts are officially released. Please download and share. > > https://adishila.com/fonts/ > > > The main features of the fonts: > > Adishila comes with 4 different designs- > > Adishila:This font comes with eight type faces. The font design is > inspired by Vanivilas Press Srirangam. Originally developed by Nirnay Sagar > type foundry. > > Adishila San: This font comes with four type faces. The font design is > inspired by Nirnay Sagar Press books. Originally developed by Nirnay Sagar > type foundry. > > Adishila Dev: This font comes with three type faces. The font design is > inspired by Nirnay Sagar Press books. Originally developed by Nirnay Sagar > type foundry. > > Adishila Samskrta: This font comes with single type face. The font design > is exact trace of Nirnay Sagar Press books without modification. Originally > developed by Nirnay Sagar type foundry. > > Character set- > > Adishila contains Vedic and Devanagari Extended Unicode character sets. > The font also contains Latin and Diacritics IAST character sets and can be > used for Sanskrit transliteration. This is also available with the > Letterpress variant in which the top line has a gaps after every character; > > Adishila San contains Vedic and Devanagari Extended Unicode character > sets. The font also contains Latin and Diacritics IAST character sets and > can be used for Sanskrit transliteration. This is also available with the > Letterpress variant in which the top line has a gaps after every character; > > Adishila Dev contains Unicode Devanagari fonts and Latin character sets. > > Compatibility Adishila can be used on all major document editing software > platforms including LaTeX MS word Indesign etc. on Windows, MAC and Linux. > > Keyboard compatibility The fonts can be typeset using Adishila Keyboard > or any other standard keyboards like INSCRIPT, Devanagari(for MAC OS) or > Vidyut Phonetic Keboard, Vaidika keyboard which are available on the > internet. Also compatible with Intranslator 2003. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAODNnZjBqovTVY%3DNt9%2BpW%3DLuPdh-Tsudv21a_6b_Ky-1mwv0Lw%40mail.gmail.com > > . > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 02:17:43 2020 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 20 20:17:43 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Unicode Sanskrit and Vedic font Adishila In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Krishnaprasad, Congratulations on the marvellous release of beautiful fonts! I attach a PDF of some examples, which I did for myself but may be useful to others. Best wishes, and thanks! 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A feature of the above 5 earliest Upanishads, were that they were all written in Prose form.According to the same chronological hierarchy, Isa comes much later, and is composed in rhythms.           Alakendu Das Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Sent: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 07:21:14 GMT+0530 To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Thieme on ??opani?ad Dear Madhav, I seem to recall that Patrick Olivelle discusses the relative chronology of the principal Upani?ads in the introduction to his translation of them, published by Oxford University Press. All the best,Jeff Dr. Jeffery D. LongProfessor of Religion and Asian StudiesElizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Ethical, Philosophical, and TheologicalLexington Books ?One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life.?  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi) ?We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself.? (Carl Sagan)  On Jul 24, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote: Dear Colleagues,      I have been rereading Professor Paul Thieme's article on the ??opani?ad published in the JAOS.  In one of his discussions, he seems to claim that the Ch?ndogya-Upani?ad is older than the ??a.  Here is that passage: What is a good modern discussion about the relative chronology of the "older" Upani?ads?  Has anyone discussed Thieme's views?  With best regards, Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor Emeritus, Sanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USASenior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beitel at email.gwu.edu Tue Jul 28 16:17:59 2020 From: beitel at email.gwu.edu (Alfred Hiltebeitel) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 20 11:17:59 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for two articles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5F6435BA-2A11-403C-B01E-45C8FA2110BC@email.gwu.edu> I would like to request pdf copies of the following 2 articles: David Shulman, ?Devanagari and Daiva? In A.W. Van den Hiek, D. H. A. Kolff, and M.S. Oort, Eds. ritual, State, and History, Festschrift for Jan Heesterman. Pp. 350-65. Leiden: E. J. Brill. A. K. Ramanujan, ?Repetition in the Mah?bh?rata,? In Arvind Sharma, Ed. Essays in the Mah?bh?rata. 419-33. Leiden: E. J. Brill. Anyone wh might have one or the other, and sends it, I thank in advance. Very best, Alf Hiltebeitel From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 18:01:58 2020 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 20 23:31:58 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Unicode Sanskrit and Vedic font Adishila In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Dominik Wujastyk On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 7:47 AM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad, > > Congratulations on the marvellous release of beautiful fonts! > > I attach a PDF of some examples, which I did for myself but may be useful > to others. > > Best wishes, and thanks! > > Dominik > > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jean Michel Delire, Brussels, Le 29.07.2020 08:32, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY a ?crit?: > Dear Scholars, > > I would appreciate very much if anyone could share a pdf of the > following article by Kamil Zvelebil. > > ?The Descent of the Dravidians.? _International Journal of > Dravidian Linguistics, _1: 57-63. > > Thank you. > > Regards, > > Palaniappan > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or unsubscribe) From jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de Wed Jul 29 08:33:51 2020 From: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de (jpeterson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 20 10:33:51 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] An article by Tamil Zvelebil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <(auto-added)> While we're at it - so would I! :-)I would be very grateful, thanks!JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: jmdelire via INDOLOGY Date: 7/29/20 9:10 AM (GMT+01:00) To: indology at list.indology.info Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] An article by Tamil Zvelebil Dear List,I would also be interested by a copy of this article.Jean Michel Delire,Brussels,Le 29.07.2020 08:32, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY a ?crit?:> Dear Scholars,> > I would appreciate very much if anyone could share a pdf of the> following article by Kamil Zvelebil.> > ?The Descent of the Dravidians.? _International Journal of> Dravidian Linguistics, _1: 57-63.> > Thank you.> > Regards,> > Palaniappan> > > _______________________________________________> INDOLOGY mailing list> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee)> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options> or unsubscribe)_______________________________________________INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Edeltraud Harzer Voice recognition helped me create this message. > On Jul 29, 2020, at 3:34 AM, jpeterson via INDOLOGY wrote: > > ? > While we're at it - so would I! :-) > > I would be very grateful, thanks! > > John > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: jmdelire via INDOLOGY > Date: 7/29/20 9:10 AM (GMT+01:00) > To: indology at list.indology.info > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] An article by Tamil Zvelebil > > Dear List, > > I would also be interested by a copy of this article. > > Jean Michel Delire, > Brussels, > > > Le 29.07.2020 08:32, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > > Dear Scholars, > > > > I would appreciate very much if anyone could share a pdf of the > > following article by Kamil Zvelebil. > > > > ?The Descent of the Dravidians.? _International Journal of > > Dravidian Linguistics, _1: 57-63. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Palaniappan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > > or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Sandy) Huntington In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Bradley, for posting this sad news. Sandy Huntington was not just my student, but he was among my very first students when I joined the University of Michigan in 1972. After studying with me at the university for a year, Sandy ran out of money and could not register for classes. I told him that if he wanted, he could come to my home a few days every week, and I taught him at my home for a whole year. He had no car in those days and he used to walk to my home in the midst of Ann Arbor's snowy winters. Then he went to Banaras for a year and two and was studying with Pandit Upadhyaya. During his stay in Banaras, he wrote me a few letters in Sanskrit. He invited our family to his apartment for X-mas party, and he remembers that our daughters, probably aged three or four, opened every cabinet in his house to look for what they could find. They were very fond of him. At some point, I wrote to him asking for his address. He wrote back saying "you should put my name in your Will to inherit all your Sanskrit books." I would have been very happy to do that, but now it is too late. The last time I saw Sandy was in April 2017 at the function organized by my department to celebrate the occasion of my retirement. He shared his memories of his student days at Michigan. I have a video of that occasion and so Sandy's last visit to Ann Arbor remains alive in my mind. I am very sad to lose him. This reminds me of a saying placed in the mouth of Upagupta in the A?ok?vad?na: ??????? ??? ???????????????????. Madhav M. Deshpande University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:06 PM Bradley Clough via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I don't think the sad news has been shared on this list of the passing of > C.W. (Sandy) Huntington, who was among other things a Sanskritist (a > student of our Madhav Deshpande, in fact) and an important scholar of > Madhyamaka Buddhism. One of Sandy's publishers, Wisdom Publications, has > put out this poignant remembrance of him, and the link to it is just below. > I thank Andy Rotman of Smith College for alerting me and others to this. > > > https://wisdomexperience.org/wisdom-article/remembering-c-w-sandy-huntington/ > > > Brad Clough > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would appreciate very much if anyone could share a pdf of the following article by Kamil Zvelebil. ?The Descent of the Dravidians.? International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics, 1: 57-63. Thank you. Regards, Palaniappan _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markandeia at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 09:08:22 2020 From: markandeia at gmail.com (Nataliya Yanchevskaya) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 20 05:08:22 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear All, Thank you for your responses both on- and off-list! I will look into various niti- texts and the suggested secondary literature? I am sure it will be very useful. Best wishes, Nataliya ----------- Nataliya Yanchevskaya Lecturer in Sanskrit PIIRS, Princeton University On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 12:26 PM Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Nataliya, > > Another interesting study on the topic might be Wu, Juan. 2015. "Comparing > Buddhist and Jaina Attitudes towards Warfare: Some Notes on Stories of King > Aj?ta?atru's/K??ika's War against the V?jis and Related Material", ARIRIAB, > Vol.18, pp. 95-112 > > Best wishes, > > Camillo > > ------------------------------ > > Dr Camillo A. Formigatti > > John Clay Sanskrit Librarian > > > > Bodleian Libraries > > The Weston Library > > Broad Street, Oxford > > OX1 3BG > > Email: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk > > Tel. (office): 01865 (2)77208 > www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk > > > > *GROW YOUR MIND* > > in Oxford University?s > > Gardens, Libraries and Museums > > www.mindgrowing.org > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Donald R Davis > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:01 PM > *To:* Indology Mailing List > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? > > > Dear Nataliya, > > > > Please see the work of Torkel Brekke. You can see many of his extensive > publications on the ethics of war at his academia page: > https://independent.academia.edu/TorkelBrekke. > > > > Best, Don > > > > > > > > *From: *INDOLOGY on behalf of " > indology at list.indology.info" > *Reply-To: *"Jan E.M. Houben" > *Date: *Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 1:52 AM > *To: *Nataliya Yanchevskaya > *Cc: *"indology at list.indology.info" > *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] Texts on War Ethics? > > > > Dear Nataliya, > > You may have a look at > > *Violence Denied: Violence, Non-Violence and the Rationalization of > Violence in South Asian Cultural History*, eds.: J.E.M. Houben and K.R. > van Kooij. Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1999. > > Especially the chapters by L. Schmithausen (on Buddhist attitudes towards > war) and D. Feller (on the Mahabharata war as a sacrifice) deal explicitly > with ethical aspects of war. > > Best, > > Jan > > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 08:23, Nataliya Yanchevskaya via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Could you please suggest any Sanskrit texts that specifically deal with > war ethics? Apart from the Bhagavad Gita and the epics (the MBh, first of > all), there are some bits and pieces in the Artha??stra and Dharma??stras > that I know about. > > Are there any "theoretical" works on war ethics? on laws of war and rules > for warriors? > > All suggestions would be very welcome. > > Best wishes, > > Nataliya > > > > ----------- > > Nataliya Yanchevskaya > > Lecturer in Sanskrit > > PIIRS, Princeton University > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > > -- > > *Jan E.M. Houben* > > Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology > > *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* > > ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) > > *Sciences historiques et philologiques * > > *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu * > > *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben > * > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When put together, these names clearly form anu??hubh verses: *tray? rasamay? ?aur? brahmavidy? sudh?vah?...* Thanks, Dave Buchta Here are the citations: *?ara??gatasantr??anipu??* *mah?p?takabhe?aj?* *saptas?garasa?gat?* *nilotpaladala?y?m?* *k?lind? k?lasalil?* *brahmavidy? br?hm?* *t?pin? yamun? y?m?* -- David Buchta, PhD Lecturer in Sanskrit Department of Classics Brown University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 07:32:57 2020 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 20 09:32:57 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Meghad=C5=ABta:_new_cultural_historical_study_and_translation_(into_Dutch)?= Message-ID: Meghad?ta: new cultural historical study and translation (into Dutch) Dear All, A new study and translation (into Dutch) has recently appeared: Title: K?lid?sa ?Meghad?ta? De Wolkenboodschapper Een Wolk Wordt Woord vertaald uit het Sanskriet in modern Nederlands vertaling en toelichting Evert S. Schneider flora, fauna, tekeningen: Hanneke Meinders-Groeneveld Wassenaar: CATAKA uitgevers, Spelderslaan 6 2242 ST Wassenaar 070-5111826 >From the 1990s Evert S. Schneider was student of J.A.F. Roodbergen, P. Groeneweg and occasionally of myself. -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jb92 at soas.ac.uk Fri Jul 31 09:07:56 2020 From: jb92 at soas.ac.uk (Jason Birch) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 20 10:07:56 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Crow and Monkey Message-ID: Greetings, I?m wondering if anyone on this list has come across a reference to a monkey and crow representing different approaches to liberation? Even an allegorical story of a crow and monkey may be helpful. The reference I have is from the Yogab?ja, which explains the different views (mata) of the crow and monkey in regard to yoga and liberation. The monkey achieves liberation by practising yoga for a long time in one life. The crow achieves liberation very quickly in one lifetime after practising yoga over the course of many past lives. The author mentions that this has been taught in another work (anyagrantha). I?m aware of Bhusu??a, the immortal crow in the Mok?op?ya but, as far as I know, that text does not feature a monkey. Any suggestions are most appreciated. Yours, Jason __ Jason Birch (DPhil Oxon) Research Fellow SOAS University of London https://soas.academia.edu/jasonbirch http://hyp.soas.ac.uk www.theluminescent.org From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Fri Jul 31 09:08:15 2020 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 20 09:08:15 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_FW:__Meghad=C5=ABta:_new_cultural_historical_study_and_translation_(into_Dutch)?= In-Reply-To: <05c4fe2cec7c4ae98de4bf55cdfb06de@hum.leidenuniv.nl> Message-ID: <8e1ef2f734c74a4298ade5af86eb8ab3@hum.leidenuniv.nl> An interesting part of the book (unfortunately in Dutch) is where the authors followed the trail of the cloud through India (maps, photographs). It also includes drawings of the plants and flowers mentioned in the Meghad?ta. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: Tieken, H.J.H. Verzonden: vrijdag 31 juli 2020 10:47 Aan: Jan E.M. Houben Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Meghad?ta: new cultural historical study and translation (into Dutch) An interesting part of the book (unfortunately in Dutch) is where the authors followed the trail of the cloud through India (maps, photographs). It also includes drawings of the plants and flowers mentioned in the Meghad?ta. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY namens Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY Verzonden: vrijdag 31 juli 2020 09:32:57 Aan: Indology Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Meghad?ta: new cultural historical study and translation (into Dutch) Meghad?ta: new cultural historical study and translation (into Dutch) Dear All, A new study and translation (into Dutch) has recently appeared: Title: K?lid?sa ?Meghad?ta? De Wolkenboodschapper Een Wolk Wordt Woord vertaald uit het Sanskriet in modern Nederlands vertaling en toelichting Evert S. Schneider flora, fauna, tekeningen: Hanneke Meinders-Groeneveld Wassenaar: CATAKA uitgevers, Spelderslaan 6 2242 ST Wassenaar 070-5111826 >From the 1990s Evert S. Schneider was student of J.A.F. Roodbergen, P. Groeneweg and occasionally of myself. -- Jan E.M. Houben Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres) Sciences historiques et philologiques johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Fri Jul 31 09:17:20 2020 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 20 09:17:20 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] FW: Crow and Monkey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <861992a8d177490d9d077053dcc480c5@hum.leidenuniv.nl> For a monkey and a bird (not a crow this time, but the weaver bird), see Nalini Balbir, The moneky and the Weaver-Bird: Jaina Versions of a Pan-Indian Tale, JAOS 105 (1985), pp. 119-134. For the weaver bird in Tamil Ca?kam poetry, see my article in Studien zur Indologie und Iranistik 21 (1997), pp. 298-326. Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY namens Jason Birch via INDOLOGY Verzonden: vrijdag 31 juli 2020 11:07 Aan: indology at list.indology.info Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Crow and Monkey Greetings, I?m wondering if anyone on this list has come across a reference to a monkey and crow representing different approaches to liberation? Even an allegorical story of a crow and monkey may be helpful. The reference I have is from the Yogab?ja, which explains the different views (mata) of the crow and monkey in regard to yoga and liberation. The monkey achieves liberation by practising yoga for a long time in one life. The crow achieves liberation very quickly in one lifetime after practising yoga over the course of many past lives. The author mentions that this has been taught in another work (anyagrantha). I?m aware of Bhusu??a, the immortal crow in the Mok?op?ya but, as far as I know, that text does not feature a monkey. Any suggestions are most appreciated. Yours, Jason __ Jason Birch (DPhil Oxon) Research Fellow SOAS University of London https://soas.academia.edu/jasonbirch http://hyp.soas.ac.uk www.theluminescent.org _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 31 12:34:38 2020 From: a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr (a.murugaiyan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 20 14:34:38 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request Message-ID: <78f3ec1e-8b66-968d-3b4e-80e713e67316@wanadoo.fr> Dear Colleagues, ?I would be thankful if anyone could share a pdf of the following article : Hans Henrich Hock, Pre-?gvedic convergence between Indo-Aryan (Sanskrit) and Dravidian? A survey of the issues and controversies. Ideology and status of Sanskrit: Contributions to the history of the Sanskrit language, ed. by J. E. M. Houben, 17-58. Leiden: Brill. 1996. Best regards A. Murugaiyan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 31 13:55:39 2020 From: a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr (a.murugaiyan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 20 15:55:39 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request In-Reply-To: <20200731145750.d78c2c400f99d0a5a8da6791@ff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <5bf425ea-5fae-dbaa-8d98-3f1b9522e958@wanadoo.fr> Dear Dr Lubom?r Ondra?ka, Many many thanks for the article requested. Best Murugaiyan Le 31/07/2020 ? 14:57, Lubom?r Ondra?ka a ?crit?: > Here it is, > Best > Lubomir > > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:34:38 +0200 > "a.murugaiyan via INDOLOGY" wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> ?I would be thankful if anyone could share a pdf of the following article : >> >> Hans Henrich Hock, Pre-?gvedic convergence between Indo-Aryan (Sanskrit) >> and Dravidian? A survey of the issues and controversies. Ideology and >> status of Sanskrit: Contributions to the history of the Sanskrit >> language, ed. by J. E. M. Houben, 17-58. Leiden: Brill. 1996. >> >> Best regards >> A. Murugaiyan >> From a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 31 13:56:48 2020 From: a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr (a.murugaiyan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 20 15:56:48 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request In-Reply-To: <71E0D57A-D371-4844-9F66-FC7ADA87B744@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Marco, Thank you so much for the article. Best Murugaiyan Le 31/07/2020 ? 15:37, Marco Franceschini a ?crit?: > Dear?Murugaiyan, > > here is the pdf of the volume. > > Best, > > Marco > --- > > Marco Franceschini > ??????????? > Senior Assistant Professor > University of Bologna > Department of History and?Cultures > marco.franceschini3 at unibo.it > https://www.unibo.it/sitoweb/marco.franceschini3/en > http://unibo.academia.edu/MarcoFranceschini > www.associazioneitalianadistudisanscriti.org > > --- > > > >> Il giorno 31 lug 2020, alle ore 14:34, a.murugaiyan via INDOLOGY >> > ha >> scritto: >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> ?I would be thankful if anyone could share a pdf of the following >> article : >> >> Hans Henrich Hock, Pre-?gvedic convergence between Indo-Aryan >> (Sanskrit) and Dravidian? A survey of the issues and controversies. >> Ideology and status of Sanskrit: Contributions to the history of the >> Sanskrit language, ed. by J. E. M. Houben, 17-58. Leiden: Brill. 1996. >> >> Best regards >> A. Murugaiyan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From v.a.van.bijlert at vu.nl Fri Jul 31 16:22:54 2020 From: v.a.van.bijlert at vu.nl (Bijlert, V.A. van) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 20 16:22:54 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] article by Karttunen Message-ID: <701a400ae5cc4011a7392da759f95abd@vu.nl> Dear list members, Does anyone perhaps have a pdf of the following article by Karttunen: Klaus Karttunen (ed.): History of Indological Studies Papers of the 12th World Sanskrit Conference held in Helsinki, Finland, 13 - 18, 2003; Motilal Banarasidass, Delhi, Vol. 11, 2, 2015, with a paper titled: How Sanskrit came to Sweden: The History of Swedish Indology until c. 1950. It should allegedly covers pages 79-110. But it seems nowhere to be found. Would anyone know which publication this is or where this paper was actually published? Many thanks and warm regards Victor van Bijlert Faculty of Religion and Theology, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: