[INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)

Thu Apr 9 18:34:10 UTC 2020

His Telugu commentary to Vivekachudamani is the context. Whether to give
the references from works that are acceptedly those of Sankara in that
context is justified or not is a different point.

The focus here is on Sankar's interpretations of Maayaa, Hartmut
Buescher-ji.

Thanks and regards,

Nagaraj

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 11:53 PM Hartmut Buescher <buescherhartmut at gmail.com>
wrote:

> But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekacūḍāmaṇi* to do with
> Śaṅkara,
>
> the author of *Brahmasūtrabhāṣya*?
>
>
>
> Better hesitate, investigate and be careful with your reply.
>
>
>
> Best wishes, Hartmut
>
>
>
> PS: Not to speak of contemporary, trans-national scholarship, but has your
>
> respected father not been acquainted with (or perhaps rejected) the
> research
>
> of Śrī Saccidānandendrasarasvatī of Holenarsipur?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> >  *māyāvāda* indeed does not to belong to the many *vāda*s alluded to
>> by Śaṅkara himself, and especially
>>  to those by which he refers to his own teaching (*veda-*, *vedānta-*,
>> *brahma-*, *ātma-vāda*). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,
>> Śaṅkara has no specific theory of *māyā* (at least in the
>> *Brahmasūtrabhāṣya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
>> Buddhists).
>>
>> --- Not to contradict the view " Śaṅkara has no specific theory of *māyā"
>> , *but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word,
>> resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father
>> (Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka
>> Chudamani,
>>
>> अक्षरः - भगवन्मायाशक्तिः - क्षराख्यस्य ( वैराजस्य ) पुरुषस्य
>> उत्पत्तिबीजम् - अनेक्संसारिजन्तुकामकर्मादिसंस्काराश्रयः ( गीताभाष्य -15
>> अध्यायः )
>>
>> मायाभिः - इंद्रियप्रज्ञाभिः - अविद्यारूपाभिः ( भाष्य गौडपादकारिका  -
>> अद्वैतप्रकरण कारिका 2)
>>
>> He seems to have taken माङ् - माने as the dhaatu for माया . In words such
>> as निर्माण it has meanings related to  उत्पत्तिबीजम् ,  कर्मादि . as in
>> गीताभाष्य above.
>>
>> In words such as प्रमाण, it has meanings related to  प्रज्ञा ,  विद्या
>> as in गौडपादकारिकाभाष्य above.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:03 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> *māyāvāda* indeed does not to belong to the many *vāda*s alluded to by
>>> Śaṅkara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own
>>> teaching (*veda-*, *vedānta-*, *brahma-*, *ātma-vāda*). As pointed out
>>> by Paul Hacker, Śaṅkara has no specific theory of *māyā* (at least in
>>> the *Brahmasūtrabhāṣya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much
>>> like the Buddhists).
>>>
>>> See Hacker’s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking
>>> “Eigentümlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie Śaṅkaras: Avidyā, Nāmarūpa,
>>> Māyā, Īśvara” (*Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenländischen Gesellschaft
>>> *100, 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
>>>
>>> With kind regards,
>>> Vincent
>>>
>>>
>>> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
>>> Directeur d'études
>>> École Pratique des Hautes Études, Section des sciences religieuses
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von
>>> Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
>>> *An:* Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav
>>> Deshpande
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>>>
>>> Dear Dean,
>>>
>>> The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative
>>> sense. Hajime Nakamura’s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta
>>> Philosophy is a good source on this.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Aleksandar
>>>
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>>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>>> Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
>>> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <
>>> harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>>> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>>>
>>> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
>>> Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
>>> offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
>>>
>>> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term
>>> coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been
>>> adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become
>>> part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be
>>> on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
>>>
>>> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some
>>> publications that discuss it.
>>>
>>> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the
>>> associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme
>>> realization. :-)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Dean
>>>
>>>
>>> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
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