From sauthoff at ualberta.ca  Wed Apr  1 01:07:11 2020
From: sauthoff at ualberta.ca (Patricia Sauthoff)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 20 19:07:11 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Epidemics in Ayurveda
Message-ID: <CAPAr6cGLHJJDnWieDaJnt-FwDeDYuKZm8OeJOvJhFH6EmhaH5w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

I hope you are all in good health and not going too stir crazy yet.

I wrote a short blog post on epidemics in Ayurveda that I thought I'd
share. It's nothing super profound but some of the parallels to the current
situation struck me as interesting.
http://www.ayuryog.org/blog/epidemics-isolation-and-prevention

Best wishes to you all.

Patricia


-- 
Patricia Sauthoff
(she/her/they/them)
Postdoctoral Fellow
AyurYog.org
Department of History and Classics
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Canada


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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr  1 06:14:15 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 08:14:15 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <3167A61E-BB47-4BBE-B807-14E9A4A81EBD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5cc837b042d65850b08714471cd64722@univie.ac.at>

Excellent proof for the pureness of Sita:

??????????????????????? ???????? ??????? ?
???? ???????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?

Sita was well and not infected by the Corona virus,
so she was surely not touched in Lanka - this was Ramas conviction.


Christian


Am 01.04.2020 00:48, schrieb Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY:
> ??????????
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree! Excellent!
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>> College of Human Sciences
>> UNISA
>> Pretoria, RSA
>> Member of Academia Europaea
>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>> 
>> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 14:26 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>> 
>> Excellent verses, Christian and D?niel.
>> 
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> 
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:16 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, can't resist getting on the bandwagon.
>> A little continuation to Christian's excellent earlier one about
>> Damayant?'s svaya?vara.
>> 
>> ???? ?? ????? ????
>> ??????? ???????
>> ??????????
>> ???????????????????
>> ????????? ???????????
>> 
>> "God or man? What's the difference when their face is covered?"
>> "But we can tell right away by their unblinking gaze."
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 08:53, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> Here's an other one with a face mask:
>> 
>> ???????? ?????????
>> ??????????????? ?
>> ??????????????????
>> ???????????? ? ?? ?
>> 
>> Out of fear of the Corona virus Sita, wearing a lotus leaf face
>> mask,
>> wanted a golden deer - not a Pangolin from China.
>> 
>> Christian Ferstl
>> 
>> Am 30.03.2020 22:58, schrieb Joanna Jurewicz:
>>> Oh, I love this with mask, Christian. Frankly speaking, I enjoy
>> all of
>>> them.
>>> 
>>> And I am amazed by the discussion these poems incited.
>>> 
>>> Well, this is a perennial problem: Is poetry is free from rules or
>>> not? Is there room for any innovation? For bold breaking rules?
>>> 
>>> With best wishes to all,
>>> 
>>> 3.062.14a     s?mo asm?bhya? dvip?de
>>> 3.062.14b     c?tu?pade ca pa??ve
>>> 3.062.14c     anam?v?? ??as karat
>>> 
>>> I would not dare to compose the poems in Sanskrit. The only
>> language I
>>> can do that is Polish.
>>> 
>>> Joanna
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>>> 
>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>>> 
>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>>> 
>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>>> 
>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>>> 
>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>>> 
>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>>> 
>>> College of Human Sciences
>>> 
>>> UNISA
>>> 
>>> Pretoria, RSA
>>> 
>>> Member of Academia Europaea
>>> 
>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>>> 
>>> pt., 27 mar 2020 o 08:09 Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>>> 
>>>> Face masks would indeed be a problem at Damayant?'s
>> svaya?vara:
>>>> 
>>>> ????????? ???????
>>>> ?????????? ???????? ?
>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????
>>>> ????????????????? ?
>>>> 
>>>> But the gods were the same to Damayant? anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Christian Ferstl
>>>> University of Vienna
>>>> 
>>>> Am 26.03.2020 23:21, schrieb Valerie Roebuck:
>>>>> Dear talented colleagues
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am enjoying these topical verses so much. If only we had a
>>>>> miniaturist who could portray these scenes, perhaps with the
>> hero
>>>> and
>>>>> heroine wearing face masks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Valerie Roebuck
>>>>> Manchester, UK
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 26 Mar 2020, at 19:59, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>>>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:30 PM Christian Ferstl
>>>>>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And Arjuna says to Draupadi --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ??? ? ???????? ??????
>> ??
>>>>>>> ???????? ???? ?
>>>>>>> ??????????????? ???
>>>>>>> ???????? ???????? ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Today my hand must not touch your lotus-like hand.
>>>>>>> That demon called Corona must be killed by the God of Love!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems I'm kind of infected by Prof. Deshpande's
>> karona-k?vya
>>>>>>> virus.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Christian Ferstl
>>>>>>> University of Vienna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 15:23, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>>>>>>> Draupadi says to Arjuna -
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???????
>>>>>>>> ??????? ????? ?
>>>> ???????:
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> ?????????????????????
>>>>>>>> ????????? ??????? ??
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> O Arjuna, don?t shoot the fish [with your arrow, to prove
>>>> that
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> are the best archer], since the ceremony of choosing the
>> groom
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> not be happening. After the Coronavirus goes away, please
>> come
>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From danbalogh at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:03:05 2020
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 10:03:05 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <5cc837b042d65850b08714471cd64722@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAM0n-bWzF-zCXxLWYUQexAH5kxks2Ks-+_rohQmF_03+ztQxCA@mail.gmail.com>

Good one, Christian. May I suggest ??????? instead of ???????? so you avoid
the pr licence?

Correcting the silly mistake in my previous one: ??????????.
And trying a slightly more ambitious one:

?????? ??????????? ??????????????????????

?????? ????????? ????? ?????? ????????

?????? ???? ????????????????????????

????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????????

Krishna is depressed, because he is not surrounded by a flock of Braj
girls. Whatever can Indra do with the assembly hall empty? Damn this whole
world in its sorry state - but one is unchanged: as ever, Shiva remains on
his unpeopled mountaintop.

On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 08:46, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Excellent proof for the pureness of Sita:
>
> ??????????????????????? ???????? ??????? ?
> ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?
>
> Sita was well and not infected by the Corona virus,
> so she was surely not touched in Lanka - this was Ramas conviction.
>
>
> Christian
>
>
> Am 01.04.2020 00:48, schrieb Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY:
> > ??????????
> >
> >> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY
> >> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree! Excellent!
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
> >> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
> >> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
> >> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
> >> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
> >> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
> >> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
> >> College of Human Sciences
> >> UNISA
> >> Pretoria, RSA
> >> Member of Academia Europaea
> >> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
> >>
> >> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 14:26 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> >> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
> >>
> >> Excellent verses, Christian and D?niel.
> >>
> >> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>
> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:16 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY
> >> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, can't resist getting on the bandwagon.
> >> A little continuation to Christian's excellent earlier one about
> >> Damayant?'s svaya?vara.
> >>
> >> ???? ?? ????? ????
> >> ??????? ???????
> >> ??????????
> >> ???????????????????
> >> ????????? ???????????
> >>
> >> "God or man? What's the difference when their face is covered?"
> >> "But we can tell right away by their unblinking gaze."
> >>
> >> Daniel
> >>
> >> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 08:53, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> >> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >> Here's an other one with a face mask:
> >>
> >> ???????? ?????????
> >> ??????????????? ?
> >> ??????????????????
> >> ???????????? ? ?? ?
> >>
> >> Out of fear of the Corona virus Sita, wearing a lotus leaf face
> >> mask,
> >> wanted a golden deer - not a Pangolin from China.
> >>
> >> Christian Ferstl
> >>
> >> Am 30.03.2020 22:58, schrieb Joanna Jurewicz:
> >>> Oh, I love this with mask, Christian. Frankly speaking, I enjoy
> >> all of
> >>> them.
> >>>
> >>> And I am amazed by the discussion these poems incited.
> >>>
> >>> Well, this is a perennial problem: Is poetry is free from rules or
> >>> not? Is there room for any innovation? For bold breaking rules?
> >>>
> >>> With best wishes to all,
> >>>
> >>> 3.062.14a     s?mo asm?bhya? dvip?de
> >>> 3.062.14b     c?tu?pade ca pa??ve
> >>> 3.062.14c     anam?v?? ??as karat
> >>>
> >>> I would not dare to compose the poems in Sanskrit. The only
> >> language I
> >>> can do that is Polish.
> >>>
> >>> Joanna
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
> >>>
> >>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
> >>>
> >>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
> >>>
> >>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
> >>>
> >>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
> >>>
> >>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
> >>>
> >>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
> >>>
> >>> College of Human Sciences
> >>>
> >>> UNISA
> >>>
> >>> Pretoria, RSA
> >>>
> >>> Member of Academia Europaea
> >>>
> >>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
> >>>
> >>> pt., 27 mar 2020 o 08:09 Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> >>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
> >>>
> >>>> Face masks would indeed be a problem at Damayant?'s
> >> svaya?vara:
> >>>>
> >>>> ????????? ???????
> >>>> ?????????? ???????? ?
> >>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????
> >>>> ????????????????? ?
> >>>>
> >>>> But the gods were the same to Damayant? anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Christian Ferstl
> >>>> University of Vienna
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 26.03.2020 23:21, schrieb Valerie Roebuck:
> >>>>> Dear talented colleagues
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am enjoying these topical verses so much. If only we had a
> >>>>> miniaturist who could portray these scenes, perhaps with the
> >> hero
> >>>> and
> >>>>> heroine wearing face masks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Valerie Roebuck
> >>>>> Manchester, UK
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 26 Mar 2020, at 19:59, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> >>>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ???
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:30 PM Christian Ferstl
> >>>>>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And Arjuna says to Draupadi --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ??? ? ???????? ??????
> >> ??
> >>>>>>> ???????? ???? ?
> >>>>>>> ??????????????? ???
> >>>>>>> ???????? ???????? ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Today my hand must not touch your lotus-like hand.
> >>>>>>> That demon called Corona must be killed by the God of Love!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It seems I'm kind of infected by Prof. Deshpande's
> >> karona-k?vya
> >>>>>>> virus.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Christian Ferstl
> >>>>>>> University of Vienna
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 15:23, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> >>>>>>>> Draupadi says to Arjuna -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???????
> >>>>>>>> ??????? ????? ?
> >>>> ???????:
> >>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >> ?????????????????????
> >>>>>>>> ????????? ??????? ??
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> O Arjuna, don?t shoot the fish [with your arrow, to prove
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> are the best archer], since the ceremony of choosing the
> >> groom
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> not be happening. After the Coronavirus goes away, please
> >> come
> >>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>> quickly.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr  1 08:08:11 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 10:08:11 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <5cc837b042d65850b08714471cd64722@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <8ed6bfba9a36383e4bbd1d9465808a98@univie.ac.at>

Or, metrically more sound:

??????????????????????? ???????? ??????? ?
??? ????????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?

Christian


Am 01.04.2020 08:14, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
> Excellent proof for the pureness of Sita:
> 
> ??????????????????????? ???????? ??????? ?
> ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?
> 
> Sita was well and not infected by the Corona virus,
> so she was surely not touched in Lanka - this was Ramas conviction.
> 
> 
> Christian
> 
> 
> Am 01.04.2020 00:48, schrieb Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY:
>> ??????????
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY
>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree! Excellent!
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>>> College of Human Sciences
>>> UNISA
>>> Pretoria, RSA
>>> Member of Academia Europaea
>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>>> 
>>> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 14:26 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>>> 
>>> Excellent verses, Christian and D?niel.
>>> 
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> 
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:16 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY
>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, can't resist getting on the bandwagon.
>>> A little continuation to Christian's excellent earlier one about
>>> Damayant?'s svaya?vara.
>>> 
>>> ???? ?? ????? ????
>>> ??????? ???????
>>> ??????????
>>> ???????????????????
>>> ????????? ???????????
>>> 
>>> "God or man? What's the difference when their face is covered?"
>>> "But we can tell right away by their unblinking gaze."
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 08:53, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> Here's an other one with a face mask:
>>> 
>>> ???????? ?????????
>>> ??????????????? ?
>>> ??????????????????
>>> ???????????? ? ?? ?
>>> 
>>> Out of fear of the Corona virus Sita, wearing a lotus leaf face
>>> mask,
>>> wanted a golden deer - not a Pangolin from China.
>>> 
>>> Christian Ferstl
>>> 
>>> Am 30.03.2020 22:58, schrieb Joanna Jurewicz:
>>>> Oh, I love this with mask, Christian. Frankly speaking, I enjoy
>>> all of
>>>> them.
>>>> 
>>>> And I am amazed by the discussion these poems incited.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, this is a perennial problem: Is poetry is free from rules or
>>>> not? Is there room for any innovation? For bold breaking rules?
>>>> 
>>>> With best wishes to all,
>>>> 
>>>> 3.062.14a     s?mo asm?bhya? dvip?de
>>>> 3.062.14b     c?tu?pade ca pa??ve
>>>> 3.062.14c     anam?v?? ??as karat
>>>> 
>>>> I would not dare to compose the poems in Sanskrit. The only
>>> language I
>>>> can do that is Polish.
>>>> 
>>>> Joanna
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> 
>>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>>>> 
>>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>>>> 
>>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>>>> 
>>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>>>> 
>>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>>>> 
>>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>>>> 
>>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>>>> 
>>>> College of Human Sciences
>>>> 
>>>> UNISA
>>>> 
>>>> Pretoria, RSA
>>>> 
>>>> Member of Academia Europaea
>>>> 
>>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>>>> 
>>>> pt., 27 mar 2020 o 08:09 Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>>>> 
>>>>> Face masks would indeed be a problem at Damayant?'s
>>> svaya?vara:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ????????? ???????
>>>>> ?????????? ???????? ?
>>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????
>>>>> ????????????????? ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> But the gods were the same to Damayant? anyway.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Christian Ferstl
>>>>> University of Vienna
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 23:21, schrieb Valerie Roebuck:
>>>>>> Dear talented colleagues
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am enjoying these topical verses so much. If only we had a
>>>>>> miniaturist who could portray these scenes, perhaps with the
>>> hero
>>>>> and
>>>>>> heroine wearing face masks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Valerie Roebuck
>>>>>> Manchester, UK
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 26 Mar 2020, at 19:59, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>>>>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:30 PM Christian Ferstl
>>>>>>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And Arjuna says to Draupadi --
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ??? ? ???????? ??????
>>> ??
>>>>>>>> ???????? ???? ?
>>>>>>>> ??????????????? ???
>>>>>>>> ???????? ???????? ?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Today my hand must not touch your lotus-like hand.
>>>>>>>> That demon called Corona must be killed by the God of Love!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It seems I'm kind of infected by Prof. Deshpande's
>>> karona-k?vya
>>>>>>>> virus.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Christian Ferstl
>>>>>>>> University of Vienna
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 15:23, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>>>>>>>> Draupadi says to Arjuna -
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???????
>>>>>>>>> ??????? ????? ?
>>>>> ???????:
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> ?????????????????????
>>>>>>>>> ????????? ??????? ??
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> O Arjuna, don?t shoot the fish [with your arrow, to prove
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> are the best archer], since the ceremony of choosing the
>>> groom
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> not be happening. After the Coronavirus goes away, please
>>> come
>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr  1 08:18:19 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 10:18:19 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAM0n-bWzF-zCXxLWYUQexAH5kxks2Ks-+_rohQmF_03+ztQxCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <623587df6f2a6c0069eef0df43b3c79c@univie.ac.at>

Thanks, D?niel,

for the suggestion which came in exactly while I was improving the 
stanza.
Applause for your ?ikhari?? stanza, shabash!

Best
Christian


Am 01.04.2020 10:03, schrieb D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY:
> Good one, Christian. May I suggest ??????? instead of
> ???????? so you avoid the pr licence?
> 
> Correcting the silly mistake in my previous one:
> ??????????.
> And trying a slightly more ambitious one:
> 
> ?????? ???????????
> ??????????????????????
> 
> ?????? ????????? ?????
> ?????? ????????
> 
> ?????? ????
> ????????????????????????
> 
> 
> ????????? ????????
> ?????????? ???????????
> 
> Krishna is depressed, because he is not surrounded by a flock of Braj
> girls. Whatever can Indra do with the assembly hall empty? Damn this
> whole world in its sorry state - but one is unchanged: as ever, Shiva
> remains on his unpeopled mountaintop.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 08:46, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
>> Excellent proof for the pureness of Sita:
>> 
>> 
> ???????????????????????
>> ???????? ??????? ?
>> ???? ???????? ??
>> ????????? ??? ??????
>> ???????? ?
>> 
>> Sita was well and not infected by the Corona virus,
>> so she was surely not touched in Lanka - this was Ramas conviction.
>> 
>> Christian
>> 
>> Am 01.04.2020 00:48, schrieb Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY:
>>> ??????????
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY
>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I agree! Excellent!
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> 
>>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>>>> College of Human Sciences
>>>> UNISA
>>>> Pretoria, RSA
>>>> Member of Academia Europaea
>>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>>>> 
>>>> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 14:26 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>>>> 
>>>> Excellent verses, Christian and D?niel.
>>>> 
>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>> 
>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:16 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY
>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OK, can't resist getting on the bandwagon.
>>>> A little continuation to Christian's excellent earlier one about
>>>> Damayant?'s svaya?vara.
>>>> 
>>>> ???? ?? ????? ????
>>>> ??????? ???????
>>>> ??????????
>>>> ???????????????????
>>>> ????????? ???????????
>>>> 
>>>> "God or man? What's the difference when their face is covered?"
>>>> "But we can tell right away by their unblinking gaze."
>>>> 
>>>> Daniel
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 08:53, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>> Here's an other one with a face mask:
>>>> 
>>>> ???????? ?????????
>>>> ??????????????? ?
>>>> ??????????????????
>>>> ???????????? ? ?? ?
>>>> 
>>>> Out of fear of the Corona virus Sita, wearing a lotus leaf face
>>>> mask,
>>>> wanted a golden deer - not a Pangolin from China.
>>>> 
>>>> Christian Ferstl
>>>> 
>>>> Am 30.03.2020 22:58, schrieb Joanna Jurewicz:
>>>>> Oh, I love this with mask, Christian. Frankly speaking, I enjoy
>>>> all of
>>>>> them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And I am amazed by the discussion these poems incited.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, this is a perennial problem: Is poetry is free from rules
>> or
>>>>> not? Is there room for any innovation? For bold breaking rules?
>>>>> 
>>>>> With best wishes to all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3.062.14a     s?mo asm?bhya? dvip?de
>>>>> 3.062.14b     c?tu?pade ca pa??ve
>>>>> 3.062.14c     anam?v?? ??as karat
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would not dare to compose the poems in Sanskrit. The only
>>>> language I
>>>>> can do that is Polish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joanna
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> 
>>>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>>>>> 
>>>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>>>>> 
>>>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>>>>> 
>>>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>>>>> 
>>>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>>>>> 
>>>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>>>>> 
>>>>> College of Human Sciences
>>>>> 
>>>>> UNISA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pretoria, RSA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Member of Academia Europaea
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>>>>> 
>>>>> pt., 27 mar 2020 o 08:09 Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Face masks would indeed be a problem at Damayant?'s
>>>> svaya?vara:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ????????? ???????
>>>>>> ?????????? ???????? ?
>>>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????
>>>>>> ????????????????? ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But the gods were the same to Damayant? anyway.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Christian Ferstl
>>>>>> University of Vienna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 23:21, schrieb Valerie Roebuck:
>>>>>>> Dear talented colleagues
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am enjoying these topical verses so much. If only we had a
>>>>>>> miniaturist who could portray these scenes, perhaps with the
>>>> hero
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> heroine wearing face masks!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Valerie Roebuck
>>>>>>> Manchester, UK
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 26 Mar 2020, at 19:59, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>>>>>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:30 PM Christian Ferstl
>>>>>>>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And Arjuna says to Draupadi --
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ??? ? ???????? ??????
>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>> ???????? ???? ?
>>>>>>>>> ??????????????? ???
>>>>>>>>> ???????? ???????? ?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Today my hand must not touch your lotus-like hand.
>>>>>>>>> That demon called Corona must be killed by the God of Love!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It seems I'm kind of infected by Prof. Deshpande's
>>>> karona-k?vya
>>>>>>>>> virus.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Christian Ferstl
>>>>>>>>> University of Vienna
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 15:23, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>>>>>>>>> Draupadi says to Arjuna -
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???????
>>>>>>>>>> ??????? ????? ?
>>>>>> ???????:
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> ?????????????????????
>>>>>>>>>> ????????? ??????? ??
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> O Arjuna, don?t shoot the fish [with your arrow, to prove
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> are the best archer], since the ceremony of choosing the
>>>> groom
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> not be happening. After the Coronavirus goes away, please
>>>> come
>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From danbalogh at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:31:44 2020
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 10:31:44 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <623587df6f2a6c0069eef0df43b3c79c@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAM0n-bXEDYU=fSgm-QBGHgj4iQLPeio4N4ojbm3ZNpxadx6ADQ@mail.gmail.com>

And thanks in turn for your correction (sent privately): sandhi should
apply at the end of the third p?da, so  read ??????? in my latest.
Best,
Dan

On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 10:18, Christian Ferstl <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at>
wrote:

> Thanks, D?niel,
>
> for the suggestion which came in exactly while I was improving the
> stanza.
> Applause for your ?ikhari?? stanza, shabash!
>
> Best
> Christian
>
>
> Am 01.04.2020 10:03, schrieb D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY:
> > Good one, Christian. May I suggest ??????? instead of
> > ???????? so you avoid the pr licence?
> >
> > Correcting the silly mistake in my previous one:
> > ??????????.
> > And trying a slightly more ambitious one:
> >
> > ?????? ???????????
> > ??????????????????????
> >
> > ?????? ????????? ?????
> > ?????? ????????
> >
> > ?????? ????
> > ????????????????????????
> >
> >
> > ????????? ????????
> > ?????????? ???????????
> >
> > Krishna is depressed, because he is not surrounded by a flock of Braj
> > girls. Whatever can Indra do with the assembly hall empty? Damn this
> > whole world in its sorry state - but one is unchanged: as ever, Shiva
> > remains on his unpeopled mountaintop.
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 08:46, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> > <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >
> >> Excellent proof for the pureness of Sita:
> >>
> >>
> > ???????????????????????
> >> ???????? ??????? ?
> >> ???? ???????? ??
> >> ????????? ??? ??????
> >> ???????? ?
> >>
> >> Sita was well and not infected by the Corona virus,
> >> so she was surely not touched in Lanka - this was Ramas conviction.
> >>
> >> Christian
> >>
> >> Am 01.04.2020 00:48, schrieb Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY:
> >>> ??????????
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY
> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree! Excellent!
> >>>>
> >>>> ---
> >>>>
> >>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
> >>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
> >>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
> >>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
> >>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
> >>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
> >>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
> >>>> College of Human Sciences
> >>>> UNISA
> >>>> Pretoria, RSA
> >>>> Member of Academia Europaea
> >>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
> >>>>
> >>>> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 14:26 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
> >>>>
> >>>> Excellent verses, Christian and D?niel.
> >>>>
> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>>
> >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:16 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY
> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> OK, can't resist getting on the bandwagon.
> >>>> A little continuation to Christian's excellent earlier one about
> >>>> Damayant?'s svaya?vara.
> >>>>
> >>>> ???? ?? ????? ????
> >>>> ??????? ???????
> >>>> ??????????
> >>>> ???????????????????
> >>>> ????????? ???????????
> >>>>
> >>>> "God or man? What's the difference when their face is covered?"
> >>>> "But we can tell right away by their unblinking gaze."
> >>>>
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 08:53, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>>> Here's an other one with a face mask:
> >>>>
> >>>> ???????? ?????????
> >>>> ??????????????? ?
> >>>> ??????????????????
> >>>> ???????????? ? ?? ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Out of fear of the Corona virus Sita, wearing a lotus leaf face
> >>>> mask,
> >>>> wanted a golden deer - not a Pangolin from China.
> >>>>
> >>>> Christian Ferstl
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 30.03.2020 22:58, schrieb Joanna Jurewicz:
> >>>>> Oh, I love this with mask, Christian. Frankly speaking, I enjoy
> >>>> all of
> >>>>> them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And I am amazed by the discussion these poems incited.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, this is a perennial problem: Is poetry is free from rules
> >> or
> >>>>> not? Is there room for any innovation? For bold breaking rules?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With best wishes to all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3.062.14a     s?mo asm?bhya? dvip?de
> >>>>> 3.062.14b     c?tu?pade ca pa??ve
> >>>>> 3.062.14c     anam?v?? ??as karat
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would not dare to compose the poems in Sanskrit. The only
> >>>> language I
> >>>>> can do that is Polish.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Joanna
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
> >>>>>
> >>>>> College of Human Sciences
> >>>>>
> >>>>> UNISA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pretoria, RSA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Member of Academia Europaea
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> pt., 27 mar 2020 o 08:09 Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> >>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Face masks would indeed be a problem at Damayant?'s
> >>>> svaya?vara:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ????????? ???????
> >>>>>> ?????????? ???????? ?
> >>>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????
> >>>>>> ????????????????? ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But the gods were the same to Damayant? anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>> Christian Ferstl
> >>>>>> University of Vienna
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 23:21, schrieb Valerie Roebuck:
> >>>>>>> Dear talented colleagues
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am enjoying these topical verses so much. If only we had a
> >>>>>>> miniaturist who could portray these scenes, perhaps with the
> >>>> hero
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> heroine wearing face masks!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Valerie Roebuck
> >>>>>>> Manchester, UK
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 26 Mar 2020, at 19:59, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> >>>>>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ???
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:30 PM Christian Ferstl
> >>>>>>>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And Arjuna says to Draupadi --
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ??? ? ???????? ??????
> >>>> ??
> >>>>>>>>> ???????? ???? ?
> >>>>>>>>> ??????????????? ???
> >>>>>>>>> ???????? ???????? ?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Today my hand must not touch your lotus-like hand.
> >>>>>>>>> That demon called Corona must be killed by the God of Love!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It seems I'm kind of infected by Prof. Deshpande's
> >>>> karona-k?vya
> >>>>>>>>> virus.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Christian Ferstl
> >>>>>>>>> University of Vienna
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 15:23, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> >>>>>>>>>> Draupadi says to Arjuna -
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???????
> >>>>>>>>>> ??????? ????? ?
> >>>>>> ???????:
> >>>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> ?????????????????????
> >>>>>>>>>> ????????? ??????? ??
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> O Arjuna, don?t shoot the fish [with your arrow, to prove
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>> are the best archer], since the ceremony of choosing the
> >>>> groom
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>> not be happening. After the Coronavirus goes away, please
> >>>> come
> >>>>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>>>> quickly.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>>>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>>>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Wed Apr  1 08:39:19 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 10:39:19 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kumarila Bhatta's Mimamsaslokavarttika?
In-Reply-To: <BY5PR11MB4055CCBE9AEC593F7B00EE02A1C80@BY5PR11MB4055.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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With the commentary of Sucarita Mis?ra :

TSS 90, 99
(reprint) https://archive.org/details/MimamsaShlokavartikaK.Sambasiva <https://archive.org/details/MimamsaShlokavartikaK.Sambasiva>
+
TSS 150
https://archive.org/details/slokavarttika_with_kasika_part_iii <https://archive.org/details/slokavarttika_with_kasika_part_iii>https://archive.org/details/KumrilaMMmmslokavrttikaWComKWikoOfSucaritamiRaPartIIITSS <https://archive.org/details/KumrilaMMmmslokavrttikaWComKWikoOfSucaritamiRaPartIIITSS> 

   
With the commentary of Umbeka + Jayamis?ra :
MUSS 13 
https://archive.org/details/slokavartikatatparyatikaumbekaramanathasastris.k.universityofmadras1940ms_202003_147_E

MUSS 16 (reed. 1971)
http://www.dli.ernet.in/handle/2015/383256 <http://www.dli.ernet.in/handle/2015/383256>
https://archive.org/details/06mSlokaVarttikaUmbekaTika

https://archive.org/details/slokavartikavakhyatatparyatikaumbekamus16_202003_979_O

https://archive.org/details/slokavartikatatparyatikaumbekaramanathasastris.k.revisedkunjunnirajathangaswamyr.universityofma_875_q

MUSS 17
https://archive.org/details/Sarkarika

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.368376



> Le 31 mars 2020 ? 22:32, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> I believe that you may also find Sucaritamizra online.
> 
> 
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
> 
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Walser, Joseph via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 2:56 PM
> To: Elliot Stern <emstern1948 at gmail.com <mailto:emstern1948 at gmail.com>>; indology Indology listserve <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Kumarila Bhatta's Mimamsaslokavarttika?
>  
> Ah, that works!
> Thanks
> -j
> 
> 
> Joseph Walser
> Associate Professor
> Department of Religion
> Tufts University
> From: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>] on behalf of Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:28 PM
> To: indology Indology listserve
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Kumarila Bhatta's Mimamsaslokavarttika?
> 
> The secret is to search for Parthasarathi Misra.
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Elliot Stern <emstern1948 at gmail.com <mailto:emstern1948 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> There are at least two editions at archive.org <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Ce6192f3a2ba8419e061208d7d5b2c112%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637212836024311801&sdata=0hi7od3zXeM1bjLrZB7m7oRHNE5UuV3UlSNlO49OjuI%3D&reserved=0>. The second of these is not complete (some pages missed in the scan). I?m responding in case Andrew and Madhav did not report these.
>> 
>> Elliot
>> 
>> 
>> https://archive.org/details/SlokavarttikaNyayaratnakara/mode/2up <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2FSlokavarttikaNyayaratnakara%2Fmode%2F2up&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Ce6192f3a2ba8419e061208d7d5b2c112%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637212836024321797&sdata=8poAr2j2To534PvRzKbXQW4fRgR80Jq7fs0HfUaizPA%3D&reserved=0>
>> 
>> https://archive.org/details/Mimansa_Sloka_Vartikam_of_Kumarila_Bhattapada1898/mode/2up <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2FMimansa_Sloka_Vartikam_of_Kumarila_Bhattapada1898%2Fmode%2F2up&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Ce6192f3a2ba8419e061208d7d5b2c112%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637212836024321797&sdata=bO6XOZ7ThQ4QyFZEIovrWSX%2BMgFwo%2Fml3aMZ7N83q8Q%3D&reserved=0>
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Walser, Joseph via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> I was hoping someone out there could point me to some online or PDF edition of the Mimamsaslokavarttika. I am aware of portions of it that are on GRETIL, but I actually need the whole thing. Like many of you out there, this virus has left me suddenly housebound without a chance to get the materials I needed to teach the remainder of the semester from home. 
>>> Be well,
>>> 
>>> -j
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joseph Walser
>>> Associate Professor
>>> Department of Religion
>>> Tufts University
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>> 
> 
> Elliot M. Stern
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From danbalogh at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:13:46 2020
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 11:13:46 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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Sorry, found yet another typo in mine. Please read ??????????????????????

On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 10:31, D?niel Balogh <danbalogh at gmail.com> wrote:

> And thanks in turn for your correction (sent privately): sandhi should
> apply at the end of the third p?da, so  read ??????? in my latest.
> Best,
> Dan
>
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 10:18, Christian Ferstl <
> christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, D?niel,
>>
>> for the suggestion which came in exactly while I was improving the
>> stanza.
>> Applause for your ?ikhari?? stanza, shabash!
>>
>> Best
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> Am 01.04.2020 10:03, schrieb D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY:
>> > Good one, Christian. May I suggest ??????? instead of
>> > ???????? so you avoid the pr licence?
>> >
>> > Correcting the silly mistake in my previous one:
>> > ??????????.
>> > And trying a slightly more ambitious one:
>> >
>> > ?????? ???????????
>> > ??????????????????????
>> >
>> > ?????? ????????? ?????
>> > ?????? ????????
>> >
>> > ?????? ????
>> > ????????????????????????
>> >
>> >
>> > ????????? ????????
>> > ?????????? ???????????
>> >
>> > Krishna is depressed, because he is not surrounded by a flock of Braj
>> > girls. Whatever can Indra do with the assembly hall empty? Damn this
>> > whole world in its sorry state - but one is unchanged: as ever, Shiva
>> > remains on his unpeopled mountaintop.
>> >
>> > On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 08:46, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>> > <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Excellent proof for the pureness of Sita:
>> >>
>> >>
>> > ???????????????????????
>> >> ???????? ??????? ?
>> >> ???? ???????? ??
>> >> ????????? ??? ??????
>> >> ???????? ?
>> >>
>> >> Sita was well and not infected by the Corona virus,
>> >> so she was surely not touched in Lanka - this was Ramas conviction.
>> >>
>> >> Christian
>> >>
>> >> Am 01.04.2020 00:48, schrieb Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY:
>> >>> ??????????
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY
>> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I agree! Excellent!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ---
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>> >>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>> >>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>> >>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>> >>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>> >>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>> >>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>> >>>> College of Human Sciences
>> >>>> UNISA
>> >>>> Pretoria, RSA
>> >>>> Member of Academia Europaea
>> >>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>> >>>>
>> >>>> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 14:26 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Excellent verses, Christian and D?niel.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> >>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> >>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> >>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:16 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY
>> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> OK, can't resist getting on the bandwagon.
>> >>>> A little continuation to Christian's excellent earlier one about
>> >>>> Damayant?'s svaya?vara.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ???? ?? ????? ????
>> >>>> ??????? ???????
>> >>>> ??????????
>> >>>> ???????????????????
>> >>>> ????????? ???????????
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "God or man? What's the difference when their face is covered?"
>> >>>> "But we can tell right away by their unblinking gaze."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Daniel
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 08:53, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >>>> Here's an other one with a face mask:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ???????? ?????????
>> >>>> ??????????????? ?
>> >>>> ??????????????????
>> >>>> ???????????? ? ?? ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Out of fear of the Corona virus Sita, wearing a lotus leaf face
>> >>>> mask,
>> >>>> wanted a golden deer - not a Pangolin from China.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Christian Ferstl
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Am 30.03.2020 22:58, schrieb Joanna Jurewicz:
>> >>>>> Oh, I love this with mask, Christian. Frankly speaking, I enjoy
>> >>>> all of
>> >>>>> them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And I am amazed by the discussion these poems incited.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Well, this is a perennial problem: Is poetry is free from rules
>> >> or
>> >>>>> not? Is there room for any innovation? For bold breaking rules?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With best wishes to all,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 3.062.14a     s?mo asm?bhya? dvip?de
>> >>>>> 3.062.14b     c?tu?pade ca pa??ve
>> >>>>> 3.062.14c     anam?v?? ??as karat
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I would not dare to compose the poems in Sanskrit. The only
>> >>>> language I
>> >>>>> can do that is Polish.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Joanna
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> College of Human Sciences
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> UNISA
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Pretoria, RSA
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Member of Academia Europaea
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> pt., 27 mar 2020 o 08:09 Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>> >>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Face masks would indeed be a problem at Damayant?'s
>> >>>> svaya?vara:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ????????? ???????
>> >>>>>> ?????????? ???????? ?
>> >>>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????
>> >>>>>> ????????????????? ?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> But the gods were the same to Damayant? anyway.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Best,
>> >>>>>> Christian Ferstl
>> >>>>>> University of Vienna
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 23:21, schrieb Valerie Roebuck:
>> >>>>>>> Dear talented colleagues
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I am enjoying these topical verses so much. If only we had a
>> >>>>>>> miniaturist who could portray these scenes, perhaps with the
>> >>>> hero
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> heroine wearing face masks!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Valerie Roebuck
>> >>>>>>> Manchester, UK
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 26 Mar 2020, at 19:59, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>> >>>>>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ???
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> >>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> >>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> >>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:30 PM Christian Ferstl
>> >>>>>>>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> And Arjuna says to Draupadi --
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> ??? ? ???????? ??????
>> >>>> ??
>> >>>>>>>>> ???????? ???? ?
>> >>>>>>>>> ??????????????? ???
>> >>>>>>>>> ???????? ???????? ?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Today my hand must not touch your lotus-like hand.
>> >>>>>>>>> That demon called Corona must be killed by the God of Love!
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> It seems I'm kind of infected by Prof. Deshpande's
>> >>>> karona-k?vya
>> >>>>>>>>> virus.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Christian Ferstl
>> >>>>>>>>> University of Vienna
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 15:23, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Draupadi says to Arjuna -
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???????
>> >>>>>>>>>> ??????? ????? ?
>> >>>>>> ???????:
>> >>>>>>>>> ?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> ?????????????????????
>> >>>>>>>>>> ????????? ??????? ??
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> O Arjuna, don?t shoot the fish [with your arrow, to prove
>> >>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>>> are the best archer], since the ceremony of choosing the
>> >>>> groom
>> >>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>> not be happening. After the Coronavirus goes away, please
>> >>>> come
>> >>>>>>>>> back
>> >>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> >>>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> >>>>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> >>>>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Wed Apr  1 10:36:36 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 12:36:36 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAM0n-bXEV9pcFD5H_KTvRj1qUK8BWW6XL8EXu1_Z-e=wCWKVEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6C4304C0-FD86-4656-B0C9-10ADA7E30DFB@uclouvain.be>

I dare to propose this adaptation of a popular stanza from the Hitopade?a:


???????????????????  ???? ????? ? ?????? ?
???????? ?? ??????????  ????????????????? ??


> Le 1 avr. 2020 ? 11:13, D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> Sorry, found yet another typo in mine. Please read ??????????????????????
> 
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 10:31, D?niel Balogh <danbalogh at gmail.com <mailto:danbalogh at gmail.com>> wrote:
> And thanks in turn for your correction (sent privately): sandhi should apply at the end of the third p?da, so  read??????? in my latest.
> Best,
> Dan
> 
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 10:18, Christian Ferstl <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at <mailto:christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at>> wrote:
> Thanks, D?niel,
> 
> for the suggestion which came in exactly while I was improving the 
> stanza.
> Applause for your ?ikhari?? stanza, shabash!
> 
> Best
> Christian
> 
> 
> Am 01.04.2020 10:03, schrieb D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY:
> > Good one, Christian. May I suggest ??????? instead of
> > ???????? so you avoid the pr licence?
> > 
> > Correcting the silly mistake in my previous one:
> > ??????????.
> > And trying a slightly more ambitious one:
> > 
> > ?????? ???????????
> > ??????????????????????
> > 
> > ?????? ????????? ?????
> > ?????? ????????
> > 
> > ?????? ????
> > ????????????????????????
> > 
> > 
> > ????????? ????????
> > ?????????? ???????????
> > 
> > Krishna is depressed, because he is not surrounded by a flock of Braj
> > girls. Whatever can Indra do with the assembly hall empty? Damn this
> > whole world in its sorry state - but one is unchanged: as ever, Shiva
> > remains on his unpeopled mountaintop.
> > 
> > On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 08:46, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> > <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> > 
> >> Excellent proof for the pureness of Sita:
> >> 
> >> 
> > ???????????????????????
> >> ???????? ??????? ?
> >> ???? ???????? ??
> >> ????????? ??? ??????
> >> ???????? ?
> >> 
> >> Sita was well and not infected by the Corona virus,
> >> so she was surely not touched in Lanka - this was Ramas conviction.
> >> 
> >> Christian
> >> 
> >> Am 01.04.2020 00:48, schrieb Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY:
> >>> ??????????
> >>> 
> >>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY
> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> I agree! Excellent!
> >>>> 
> >>>> ---
> >>>> 
> >>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
> >>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
> >>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
> >>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
> >>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
> >>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
> >>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
> >>>> College of Human Sciences
> >>>> UNISA
> >>>> Pretoria, RSA
> >>>> Member of Academia Europaea
> >>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fuw.academia.edu%2FJoannaJurewicz&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C8121534aaa114b158de308d7d61cfe2f%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637213292321923307&sdata=U0EPQNTc1KF6VL%2BXkkbVbiK8tbzPp7yCrsRmcTzNJbA%3D&reserved=0>
> >>>> 
> >>>> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 14:26 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> napisa?(a):
> >>>> 
> >>>> Excellent verses, Christian and D?niel.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>> 
> >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:16 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY
> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> OK, can't resist getting on the bandwagon.
> >>>> A little continuation to Christian's excellent earlier one about
> >>>> Damayant?'s svaya?vara.
> >>>> 
> >>>> ???? ?? ????? ????
> >>>> ??????? ???????
> >>>> ??????????
> >>>> ???????????????????
> >>>> ????????? ???????????
> >>>> 
> >>>> "God or man? What's the difference when their face is covered?"
> >>>> "But we can tell right away by their unblinking gaze."
> >>>> 
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 08:53, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> >>>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> >>>> Here's an other one with a face mask:
> >>>> 
> >>>> ???????? ?????????
> >>>> ??????????????? ?
> >>>> ??????????????????
> >>>> ???????????? ? ?? ?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Out of fear of the Corona virus Sita, wearing a lotus leaf face
> >>>> mask,
> >>>> wanted a golden deer - not a Pangolin from China.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Christian Ferstl
> >>>> 
> >>>> Am 30.03.2020 22:58, schrieb Joanna Jurewicz:
> >>>>> Oh, I love this with mask, Christian. Frankly speaking, I enjoy
> >>>> all of
> >>>>> them.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> And I am amazed by the discussion these poems incited.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Well, this is a perennial problem: Is poetry is free from rules
> >> or
> >>>>> not? Is there room for any innovation? For bold breaking rules?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> With best wishes to all,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 3.062.14a     s?mo asm?bhya? dvip?de
> >>>>> 3.062.14b     c?tu?pade ca pa??ve
> >>>>> 3.062.14c     anam?v?? ??as karat
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I would not dare to compose the poems in Sanskrit. The only
> >>>> language I
> >>>>> can do that is Polish.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Joanna
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> College of Human Sciences
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> UNISA
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Pretoria, RSA
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Member of Academia Europaea
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fuw.academia.edu%2FJoannaJurewicz&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C8121534aaa114b158de308d7d61cfe2f%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637213292321923307&sdata=U0EPQNTc1KF6VL%2BXkkbVbiK8tbzPp7yCrsRmcTzNJbA%3D&reserved=0>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> pt., 27 mar 2020 o 08:09 Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> >>>>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> napisa?(a):
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> Face masks would indeed be a problem at Damayant?'s
> >>>> svaya?vara:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> ????????? ???????
> >>>>>> ?????????? ???????? ?
> >>>>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????
> >>>>>> ????????????????? ?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> But the gods were the same to Damayant? anyway.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>> Christian Ferstl
> >>>>>> University of Vienna
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 23:21, schrieb Valerie Roebuck:
> >>>>>>> Dear talented colleagues
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I am enjoying these topical verses so much. If only we had a
> >>>>>>> miniaturist who could portray these scenes, perhaps with the
> >>>> hero
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> heroine wearing face masks!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Valerie Roebuck
> >>>>>>> Manchester, UK
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> On 26 Mar 2020, at 19:59, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> >>>>>>>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> ???
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:30 PM Christian Ferstl
> >>>>>>>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at <mailto:christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> And Arjuna says to Draupadi --
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> ??? ? ???????? ??????
> >>>> ??
> >>>>>>>>> ???????? ???? ?
> >>>>>>>>> ??????????????? ???
> >>>>>>>>> ???????? ???????? ?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Today my hand must not touch your lotus-like hand.
> >>>>>>>>> That demon called Corona must be killed by the God of Love!
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> It seems I'm kind of infected by Prof. Deshpande's
> >>>> karona-k?vya
> >>>>>>>>> virus.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Christian Ferstl
> >>>>>>>>> University of Vienna
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 15:23, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> >>>>>>>>>> Draupadi says to Arjuna -
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???????
> >>>>>>>>>> ??????? ????? ?
> >>>>>> ???????:
> >>>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>> ?????????????????????
> >>>>>>>>>> ????????? ??????? ??
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> O Arjuna, don?t shoot the fish [with your arrow, to prove
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>> are the best archer], since the ceremony of choosing the
> >>>> groom
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>> not be happening. After the Coronavirus goes away, please
> >>>> come
> >>>>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>>>> quickly.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>>>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>>>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>>>>>>>> 
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr  1 13:17:26 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 06:17:26 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAM0n-bWzF-zCXxLWYUQexAH5kxks2Ks-+_rohQmF_03+ztQxCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dze1xSMJtrft=3+3-Eb+8WF1bepEPx-LNutO=5xN63V=4g@mail.gmail.com>

Keep up Daniel and Christian.  Daniel, your verse can be easily mistaken
for a composition of one of our classical poets.  Congratulations.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:03 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Good one, Christian. May I suggest ??????? instead of ???????? so you
> avoid the pr licence?
>
> Correcting the silly mistake in my previous one: ??????????.
> And trying a slightly more ambitious one:
>
> ?????? ??????????? ??????????????????????
>
> ?????? ????????? ????? ?????? ????????
>
> ?????? ???? ????????????????????????
>
> ????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????????
>
> Krishna is depressed, because he is not surrounded by a flock of Braj
> girls. Whatever can Indra do with the assembly hall empty? Damn this whole
> world in its sorry state - but one is unchanged: as ever, Shiva remains on
> his unpeopled mountaintop.
>
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 08:46, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Excellent proof for the pureness of Sita:
>>
>> ??????????????????????? ???????? ??????? ?
>> ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?
>>
>> Sita was well and not infected by the Corona virus,
>> so she was surely not touched in Lanka - this was Ramas conviction.
>>
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> Am 01.04.2020 00:48, schrieb Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY:
>> > ??????????
>> >
>> >> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY
>> >> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I agree! Excellent!
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >>
>> >> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>> >> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>> >> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>> >> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>> >> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>> >> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>> >> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>> >> College of Human Sciences
>> >> UNISA
>> >> Pretoria, RSA
>> >> Member of Academia Europaea
>> >> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>> >>
>> >> wt., 31 mar 2020 o 14:26 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>> >> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>> >>
>> >> Excellent verses, Christian and D?niel.
>> >>
>> >> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >>
>> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:16 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY
>> >> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> OK, can't resist getting on the bandwagon.
>> >> A little continuation to Christian's excellent earlier one about
>> >> Damayant?'s svaya?vara.
>> >>
>> >> ???? ?? ????? ????
>> >> ??????? ???????
>> >> ??????????
>> >> ???????????????????
>> >> ????????? ???????????
>> >>
>> >> "God or man? What's the difference when their face is covered?"
>> >> "But we can tell right away by their unblinking gaze."
>> >>
>> >> Daniel
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 08:53, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>> >> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >> Here's an other one with a face mask:
>> >>
>> >> ???????? ?????????
>> >> ??????????????? ?
>> >> ??????????????????
>> >> ???????????? ? ?? ?
>> >>
>> >> Out of fear of the Corona virus Sita, wearing a lotus leaf face
>> >> mask,
>> >> wanted a golden deer - not a Pangolin from China.
>> >>
>> >> Christian Ferstl
>> >>
>> >> Am 30.03.2020 22:58, schrieb Joanna Jurewicz:
>> >>> Oh, I love this with mask, Christian. Frankly speaking, I enjoy
>> >> all of
>> >>> them.
>> >>>
>> >>> And I am amazed by the discussion these poems incited.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, this is a perennial problem: Is poetry is free from rules or
>> >>> not? Is there room for any innovation? For bold breaking rules?
>> >>>
>> >>> With best wishes to all,
>> >>>
>> >>> 3.062.14a     s?mo asm?bhya? dvip?de
>> >>> 3.062.14b     c?tu?pade ca pa??ve
>> >>> 3.062.14c     anam?v?? ??as karat
>> >>>
>> >>> I would not dare to compose the poems in Sanskrit. The only
>> >> language I
>> >>> can do that is Polish.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joanna
>> >>>
>> >>> ---
>> >>>
>> >>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>> >>>
>> >>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>> >>>
>> >>> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>> >>>
>> >>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>> >>>
>> >>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>> >>>
>> >>> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>> >>>
>> >>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>> >>>
>> >>> College of Human Sciences
>> >>>
>> >>> UNISA
>> >>>
>> >>> Pretoria, RSA
>> >>>
>> >>> Member of Academia Europaea
>> >>>
>> >>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>> >>>
>> >>> pt., 27 mar 2020 o 08:09 Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>> >>> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>> >>>
>> >>>> Face masks would indeed be a problem at Damayant?'s
>> >> svaya?vara:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ????????? ???????
>> >>>> ?????????? ???????? ?
>> >>>> ? ?????? ????? ?????
>> >>>> ????????????????? ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But the gods were the same to Damayant? anyway.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Christian Ferstl
>> >>>> University of Vienna
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Am 26.03.2020 23:21, schrieb Valerie Roebuck:
>> >>>>> Dear talented colleagues
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am enjoying these topical verses so much. If only we had a
>> >>>>> miniaturist who could portray these scenes, perhaps with the
>> >> hero
>> >>>> and
>> >>>>> heroine wearing face masks!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Valerie Roebuck
>> >>>>> Manchester, UK
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 26 Mar 2020, at 19:59, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>> >>>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ???
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> >>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> >>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> >>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:30 PM Christian Ferstl
>> >>>>>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> And Arjuna says to Draupadi --
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ??? ? ???????? ??????
>> >> ??
>> >>>>>>> ???????? ???? ?
>> >>>>>>> ??????????????? ???
>> >>>>>>> ???????? ???????? ?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Today my hand must not touch your lotus-like hand.
>> >>>>>>> That demon called Corona must be killed by the God of Love!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It seems I'm kind of infected by Prof. Deshpande's
>> >> karona-k?vya
>> >>>>>>> virus.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Christian Ferstl
>> >>>>>>> University of Vienna
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Am 26.03.2020 15:23, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> >>>>>>>> Draupadi says to Arjuna -
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???????
>> >>>>>>>> ??????? ????? ?
>> >>>> ???????:
>> >>>>>>> ?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> ?????????????????????
>> >>>>>>>> ????????? ??????? ??
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> O Arjuna, don?t shoot the fish [with your arrow, to prove
>> >>>> that
>> >>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>> are the best archer], since the ceremony of choosing the
>> >> groom
>> >>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>> not be happening. After the Coronavirus goes away, please
>> >> come
>> >>>>>>> back
>> >>>>>>>> quickly.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> >>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> >>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> >>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr  1 13:32:11 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 06:32:11 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfJMYan_bvL+04-YQYKQ1hrSH=+dpEwnAuVqZN0XtznGw@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

????????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ???: ?
??????????? ??????? ?? ?? ???? ???????? ??

Rama wondered: ?Previously I killed the demoness Tadaka with my arrow. Now
which arrow of mine will kill this invisible Corona??

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Wed Apr  1 13:46:47 2020
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 13:46:47 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_review_of_Anandakichenin's_translation_of_Perum=C4=81l=CC=A5_Tirumo=E1=B8=BBi?=
Message-ID: <1eeeac3e0b0c4381b0b5eb3deb1baa04@hum.leidenuniv.nl>

Dear List members,

for those interested in Tamil Vai??ava Bhakti poetry, a review (14 pages) written by me of


Suganya Anandakichenin, My Sapphire-hued Lord, my Beloved! Kulac?kara ??v?r?s Perum?l? Tirumo?i. Collection Indologie 136/NETamil Series 2. Pondich?ry: ?cole Francaise d?Extreme-Orient/Institut Francais de Pondich?ry. 2018,


is available on my website. Go to Publications>Reviews 2020.


With the best wishes, Herman Tieken


Herman Tieken
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 17:35:09 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 11:35:09 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81lacakra_etexts=3F?=
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Ce+oJ6wELrvQ9Eshek55_nH+qCGiVApLL6rzNztF-pR8A@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone typed up some or all of the *K?lacakratantra* and/or the
*Vimalaprabh?* commentary?  Ideally from the

 Up?dhy?ya, J.; Rinpoche, S.; Dvived?, V. & Bahulakar, S. S. (Eds.),
*?rima?ju?r?ya?oviracitasya
param?dibuddhoddh?tasya ?r?Laghuk?lacakratantrar?jasya Kalkin?
?r?pu??ar?ke?a viracit? ??k? Vimalaprabh? = Vimalaprabh???k? of Kalkin
?r?pu??ar?ka on ?r?laghuk?lacakratantrar?ja by ?r?ma?ju?r?ya?as
<http://n2t.net/ark:/13960/t7vm96773>*, 1986-1994, 3v.

edition.

Best,
Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


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From christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca  Wed Apr  1 18:19:45 2020
From: christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca (Christoph Emmrich)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 18:19:45 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] postponing the XIXth Conference of the IABS to 2021
Message-ID: <QB1PR01MB3330B365090887BC7DC455CBEBC90@QB1PR01MB3330.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear Colleagues,



In these probing times and with the original date of the XIXth Conference of the IABS less than six months away, the health and well-being of all of you who have been planning or considering to attend has been of great concern to the IABS Board of Directors as well as to the conference?s organizers. We hope you are doing well. I apologize if you already have received a mail in this matter, but those of you who are neither members of the IABS nor registered conference participants may not receive communications that are distributed over the other respective lists.



After monitoring the developing global health situation and its potential impact on the projected conference for the last two months and after extensive consultations with the other members of the conference organizing team as well as with members of the IABS Board of Directors, the conference?s convener Professor Eun-su Cho has let the IABS Board know that in view of the global health crisis caused by the spread of COVID-19 she and her team have decided that the conference will not be held this year and will be postponed to 2021.



As you can imagine, this has been no easy decision. Although the situation in Korea is currently stabilizing, Professor Cho and her team had to consider developments across the globe, which remain very serious, highly unpredictable, and the scale and outcome of which will depend on seasonal changes as well as on the degree of preparedness of individual national health systems. Another major factor contributing to the decision has been the closing of borders and the imposing of local, national, and international travel bans by governments around the world.



The new date for the XIXth Conference of the IABS is August 16-21, 2021. As for the modalities concerning the rescheduling of the conference, I would like to share with you some of the arrangements regarding the conference programme and the conference registration fee Professor Cho in her role as convener has told the IABS Board will be made to guarantee that the conference?s shift from 2020 to 2021 will be as effortless as possible:



?1. Those who have been chosen to present at the Congress are assured of a spot on the new program. We understand that there may be some individuals who were selected to present at this year?s Congress but would not be able to attend the event if held next year. We would ask that those who want to cancel their participation next year convey this to us by email (iabs2020 at snu.ac.kr<mailto:iabs2020 at snu.ac.kr>) by April 30th. We will assume that those presenters from whom we have not heard by that date do intend to participate; their spots on the program of the postponed event are assured. We do, however, need to have at least a rough idea of how many individuals chosen for the current program are likely to not attend next year, so that we can begin developing the program for 2021.



2. Concerning the registration fee: We would like to reserve the fees of those who have already registered and can now commit to coming towards the postponed meeting. Those who have paid the registration fee but will not be coming to the rescheduled event will have their fees refunded. Those who paid the registration fee by PayPal should understand, however, that PayPal imposes a $23 charge on all refunds. We understand that there will be some who have paid the registration fee but cannot now say whether or not they will be able to attend the postponed event next year. Should they wish to have their fee refunded now, we will be happy to comply.?



I should add that, as over the course of a year ongoing research projects are bound to develop further, new projects are certain to emerge, and specific research interests that brought together panelists may shift, the conference management will do its best to accommodate possible realignments, substitutions, and changes to the current programme. For more details, the convener herself will reach out to the prospective participants in due time. For now, please be so kind as to direct all further questions about the conference and its postponement to Professor Cho (iabs2020 at snu.ac.kr<mailto:iabs2020 at snu.ac.kr>) who will be the person most qualified to answer them.



Professor Cho and her team have been forced to deal with a challenge no other convener of any IABS Conference has ever had to face and have made a decision no convener should ever have to, but which so many other conveners of big academic events planned for this year also had to make. This comes in addition to the inordinate amount of work which organizing a big event such as the IABS Conference demands in the first place. The IABS Board, including myself, would like to thank Professor Cho and our Korean colleagues for their magnificent work so far, for their steady stewardship in these difficult times, and, already now, for the strength it will take to wait for one more year to complete a task that was so near completion and to reap the fruits of their extraordinary efforts a whole year later than expected.



Let me close by expressing my most heartfelt regrets to you for us not being able to get together in Seoul this August. I very much hope that this change of plans will not bear too heavily on you and your plans for the year and that all of you who intended to be there and to convene, present, or discuss will be able to postpone your travels to next year.



With warm regards,

Christoph Emmrich



General Secretary, International Association of Buddhist Studies

Associate Professor, Buddhist Studies

University of Toronto

Department for the Study of Religion

170 St. George Street, Jackman Humanities Bldg. R. 203

Toronto, Ontario M5R 2M8, Canada





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From vitus.angermeier at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr  1 18:20:16 2020
From: vitus.angermeier at univie.ac.at (Vitus Angermeier)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 20:20:16 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Initiative for Fair Open Access Publishing in South Asian Studies
Message-ID: <20987429-203f-d8c2-d2ce-92bb02943f0e@univie.ac.at>

Dear colleagues,

now that we're locked out of our libraries, it's clear how important the 
Internet has become for accessing literature. But even without Corona 
it's obvious that online publications are becoming increasingly 
important. Unfortunately, most publishers still sell our papers and 
books at unjustifiably high prices, and for Open Access publications, 
they impose high fees on the authors.

Many of us have become very unhappy with profiteering and restricted 
access, and that's why we've started the *Initiative for Fair Open 
Access Publishing in South Asian Studies (FOASAS)*. We'd like to present 
to you its first outcome: ?The 2020 Manifesto for Fair Open Access 
Publishing in South Asian Studies.?

In order to promote FOA, we ourselves ? the members of the research 
community ? should take action. We invite everybody to read the 
manifesto and, if you agree, to sign it. You find the text attached and 
online on foasas.org <https://www.foasas.org>; if you want to sign, 
please send your name and affiliation to contact at foasas.org 
<mailto:contact at foasas.org>.Of course, we also invite everybody on the 
list to share their thoughts and experiences, or to report on how they 
have implemented FOA already.

It is our great hope that the initiative will raise awareness for 
forward-looking ways of publishing.


Best regards,
Vitus Angermeier
Dominik Haas

-- 
Dr. Vitus Angermeier
University of Vienna
Department of South Asian, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies
Spitalgasse 2.2.1, A-1090 Wien, Austria



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From john.darumadera at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 19:06:31 2020
From: john.darumadera at gmail.com (John Huntington)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 15:06:31 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help
Message-ID: <CAGbyd224kANY3KxwKTNZUmj2haKKajwLa1rM-16c9ssKTRQVdg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members

I am currently working on the new versions of many ground plans of South
Asian brick viharas for inclusion in the files of the Huntington Archive. A
useful version of a plan for the Ananda Vihara in Bangladesh contains
information about the six layers of additions to the vihara.
Unfortunately it is labeled in Bengali which I do not know. Could someone
please transliterate and translate the attached very brief label?

Thank you for your kind reply

John C. Huntington
Professor Emeritus, The Ohio State University


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From rsalomon at uw.edu  Wed Apr  1 19:34:45 2020
From: rsalomon at uw.edu (Richard G. Salomon)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 12:34:45 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help
In-Reply-To: <CAGbyd224kANY3KxwKTNZUmj2haKKajwLa1rM-16c9ssKTRQVdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+bmU3ah2BT53H=N5aGO8x+oL_Bn4J3B0PWD3=RVLi8AinqPaQ@mail.gmail.com>

They say "first period" (pratham jug), second period (dvit?yo jug) ...
etc., up to "fifth period."

Rich

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:11 PM John Huntington via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list members
>
> I am currently working on the new versions of many ground plans of South
> Asian brick viharas for inclusion in the files of the Huntington Archive. A
> useful version of a plan for the Ananda Vihara in Bangladesh contains
> information about the six layers of additions to the vihara.
> Unfortunately it is labeled in Bengali which I do not know. Could someone
> please transliterate and translate the attached very brief label?
>
> Thank you for your kind reply
>
> John C. Huntington
> Professor Emeritus, The Ohio State University
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 23:01:51 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 20 17:01:51 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] RORI Jodhpur
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcNrMYNyEyT_PURK0WRiJxUhr99U5=Rv0uQpL=5==Q=GQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have an in with RORI Jodhpur?

Their website is gone, although it was available until September last year
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190918151348/http://www.rori.nic.in/>.
Emails to directorrori at yahoo.in do not bounce, but also produce no reply.

Best,
Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


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From Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu  Thu Apr  2 12:17:42 2020
From: Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu (Lyne Bansat-Boudon)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 20 12:17:42 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request
Message-ID: <42A0363E-3D3C-4D0E-A763-1FBA3037F131@ephe.sorbonne.fr>

Dear members of the list,

I would be grateful to anyone with a scan of the following 2 works  who might forward it to me:

1. V. S. AGRAWALA, The Thousand-Syllabled Speech [Being a Study in Cosmic Symbolism in Its Vedic Version]: I. Vision in Long Darkness, Introduction and Analysis, Text and Translation of the Asya-V?m?ya S?kta of ?ishi D?rghatamas (?igveda 1.164.1-52). Varanasi: Ved?ra?yaka Ashram, 1963.

2.W.N. BROWN, ? Agni, sun, sacrifice and V?c : a sacerdotal ode by D?rghatamas (Rig Veda 1. 164) ?, JAOS 88 (1988), p. 199-218.

With all thanks and best wishes,

Lyne Bansat-Boudon

[cid:8E90FAFD-609F-4D7A-9393-D17E94D59596 at home]





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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Apr  2 12:57:28 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 20 05:57:28 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzf4jfQjZO-ia0e62wuhu5WHfiTmHHgpLaZohot44ZAJDg@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

??????????????????? ?????? ??????????? ???: ?
???????????????????? ?????? ?????: ??

?Scared about contacting the Coronavirus, I see the mountain Dronagiri in
front of me, but how can I lift it?? such is the concern of Hanuman.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Thu Apr  2 13:58:32 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 20 15:58:32 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzf4jfQjZO-ia0e62wuhu5WHfiTmHHgpLaZohot44ZAJDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ffa968eb4f8d4c55710951ef7b0f9f9c@univie.ac.at>


????????????????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ?
????????????????? ???????? ????? ??? ?

Did Rama and Sita leave the city of Ayodhya, crowded with many 
townsfolk, in order to avoid the virus?

Christian Ferstl


Am 02.04.2020 14:57, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ???????????????????
> ?????? ??????????? ???: ?
> 
> ????????????????????
> ?????? ?????: ??
> 
> ?Scared about contacting the Coronavirus, I see the mountain
> Dronagiri in front of me, but how can I lift it?? such is the
> concern of Hanuman.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Apr  2 14:07:22 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 20 07:07:22 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <ffa968eb4f8d4c55710951ef7b0f9f9c@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdEdmH1yw5S-hjJ++A4nzE7HaRs68XyWUJ2Y0yHce28Tw@mail.gmail.com>

"??? ? ???? ???: ??????????????????:, ? ????????" ??? ????????????? ?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 6:58 AM Christian Ferstl <
christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:

>
> ????????????????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ?
> ????????????????? ???????? ????? ??? ?
>
> Did Rama and Sita leave the city of Ayodhya, crowded with many
> townsfolk, in order to avoid the virus?
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 02.04.2020 14:57, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ???????????????????
> > ?????? ??????????? ???: ?
> >
> > ????????????????????
> > ?????? ?????: ??
> >
> > ?Scared about contacting the Coronavirus, I see the mountain
> > Dronagiri in front of me, but how can I lift it?? such is the
> > concern of Hanuman.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
>


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From dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 16:04:09 2020
From: dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com (Dr. Rupali Mokashi)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 20 21:34:09 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Danastutis of the Rg-Veda, tr Manilal Patel, B. H. Kapadia
Message-ID: <CAK2tbYztCnm1sUrJYg9Mcci4-1XBtGuGQy8xK3uQ4tYSegQHJw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List members
is The Danastutis of the Rg-Veda, tr Manilal Patel, B. H. Kapadia available
in the pdf version? Do you recommend any other reference material about the
same?
Considering the grave Corona epidemic I request all to take precautions and
wish good health for you and your family.
regards
Rupali Mokashi
<http://rupalimokashi.wordpress.com/>


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From john.darumadera at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 19:20:54 2020
From: john.darumadera at gmail.com (John Huntington)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 20 15:20:54 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Thank you
Message-ID: <CAGbyd22dGjx3diak5eD77UNjtF9EY_x3GnSAYAcVEBQHx0sgkg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,
I have been sent four replies to my request for the translation of the
Bengali.
Fortunately they all agree with each other. The list is as I expected a
simple list form the top-most layer to the lowest one. But I am very
grateful not to have to rely on intuition.

Thank you all,

John


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From beitel at email.gwu.edu  Thu Apr  2 21:10:23 2020
From: beitel at email.gwu.edu (Alfred Hiltebeitel)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 20 16:10:23 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] article request
In-Reply-To: <CAGbyd22dGjx3diak5eD77UNjtF9EY_x3GnSAYAcVEBQHx0sgkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C236E50-9215-4A86-96BE-445508B5B7AB@email.gwu.edu>

I would be very grateful if any of you have access to the following article,,and could send it to me:

Katheeswarananda, S. Saruban T., ?A Study of Diagnosis and Treatment of ?Puru-Noi? (Cancer) in Siddha and Traditional Systems of Medicine: A Literature Study.? International Journal of Scientific Research (Ahmedabad) (2014) 3:625-288.

Thanks in advance,

Alf




From Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu  Thu Apr  2 21:31:44 2020
From: Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu (Lyne Bansat-Boudon)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 20 21:31:44 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request
Message-ID: <5637A5A5-0BF1-40D6-881E-FA3635E86670@ephe.sorbonne.fr>

Dear colleagues,

I have received several answers to my request, including the book by Agrawala? a request which was, to my mind, like throwing a bottle into the sea!
My gratitude goes to David Reigle, Robert Leach, Evgenia Desnitskaya, Raffaele Torella and Brian Campbell, who came to my rescue.
This wonderful list is indeed a kalpavr?ks?a!
All thanks again. It is a solace in such a dark period to experience that sort of disinterested confraternity.

Best wishes,

Lyne



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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Fri Apr  3 06:40:21 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 08:40:21 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzdEdmH1yw5S-hjJ++A4nzE7HaRs68XyWUJ2Y0yHce28Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d174eabe796296aeaecfd26f0c3d2c9e@univie.ac.at>

Could this be a possible nirukti for Corona?

?? ?????? ????????
????????????????? ?
??????? ?????????????
??????? ??? ????? ?

Christian Ferstl


Am 02.04.2020 16:07, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
> "??? ? ???? ???:
> ??????????????????:, ?
> ????????" ???
> ????????????? ?
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 6:58 AM Christian Ferstl
> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
> 
>> ????????????????? ???
>> ???? ?? ????? ?
>> ?????????????????
>> ???????? ????? ??? ?
>> 
>> Did Rama and Sita leave the city of Ayodhya, crowded with many
>> townsfolk, in order to avoid the virus?
>> 
>> Christian Ferstl
>> 
>> Am 02.04.2020 14:57, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>> 
>>> ???????????????????
>>> ?????? ??????????? ???:
>> ?
>>> 
>>> ????????????????????
>>> ?????? ?????: ??
>>> 
>>> ?Scared about contacting the Coronavirus, I see the mountain
>>> Dronagiri in front of me, but how can I lift it?? such is the
>>> concern of Hanuman.
>>> 
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> 
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> 
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>> options
>>> or unsubscribe)





From danbalogh at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:12:35 2020
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 10:12:35 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <d174eabe796296aeaecfd26f0c3d2c9e@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAM0n-bVw++rHODFyp=A+7xUQRXa2fGUh_eaVxzk_zKDVUH9ZaA@mail.gmail.com>

Very good. I've considered trying an acrostic, but it would not have turned
out so nicely. Congratulations.
Dan

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Could this be a possible nirukti for Corona?
>
> ?? ?????? ????????
> ????????????????? ?
> ??????? ?????????????
> ??????? ??? ????? ?
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 02.04.2020 16:07, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
> > "??? ? ???? ???:
> > ??????????????????:, ?
> > ????????" ???
> > ????????????? ?
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 6:58 AM Christian Ferstl
> > <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
> >
> >> ????????????????? ???
> >> ???? ?? ????? ?
> >> ?????????????????
> >> ???????? ????? ??? ?
> >>
> >> Did Rama and Sita leave the city of Ayodhya, crowded with many
> >> townsfolk, in order to avoid the virus?
> >>
> >> Christian Ferstl
> >>
> >> Am 02.04.2020 14:57, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> >>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >>>
> >>> ???????????????????
> >>> ?????? ??????????? ???:
> >> ?
> >>>
> >>> ????????????????????
> >>> ?????? ?????: ??
> >>>
> >>> ?Scared about contacting the Coronavirus, I see the mountain
> >>> Dronagiri in front of me, but how can I lift it?? such is the
> >>> concern of Hanuman.
> >>>
> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>
> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> >>
> >>> committee)
> >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
> >> options
> >>> or unsubscribe)
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 09:24:44 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 11:24:44 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <d174eabe796296aeaecfd26f0c3d2c9e@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoCA60BHJ_2Rg_eFACXX=9LefDkUVPVtc9yjhZevd0K2yQ@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent !
This would moreover be an additional "excuse" for the Hindi-spelling ??????
instead of Paninian  ??????
Only minute correction, as seen before:  ?????????????  >>>   ?????????????
 ?

Jan Houben

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Could this be a possible nirukti for Corona?
>
> ?? ?????? ????????
> ????????????????? ?
> ??????? ?????????????
> ??????? ??? ????? ?
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 02.04.2020 16:07, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
> > "??? ? ???? ???:
> > ??????????????????:, ?
> > ????????" ???
> > ????????????? ?
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 6:58 AM Christian Ferstl
> > <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
> >
> >> ????????????????? ???
> >> ???? ?? ????? ?
> >> ?????????????????
> >> ???????? ????? ??? ?
> >>
> >> Did Rama and Sita leave the city of Ayodhya, crowded with many
> >> townsfolk, in order to avoid the virus?
> >>
> >> Christian Ferstl
> >>
> >> Am 02.04.2020 14:57, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> >>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >>>
> >>> ???????????????????
> >>> ?????? ??????????? ???:
> >> ?
> >>>
> >>> ????????????????????
> >>> ?????? ?????: ??
> >>>
> >>> ?Scared about contacting the Coronavirus, I see the mountain
> >>> Dronagiri in front of me, but how can I lift it?? such is the
> >>> concern of Hanuman.
> >>>
> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>
> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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> >>
> >>> committee)
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> >> options
> >>> or unsubscribe)
>
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-- 

*Jan E.M. Houben*

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*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*

?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)

*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

*johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*

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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 10:49:30 2020
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 12:49:30 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] another distraction: a video
Message-ID: <21e06355-5d31-d053-5989-594340a670bc@gmail.com>

Dear listmembers,

here is a video about Sri Lanka in 2020 about daily life impressions and 
some episodes from a Pattini ritual.
Take 10 min and enjoy (like the elefant in the last part of the vid).

https://youtu.be/YIjKpXTYMNM


Heiner

-- 
www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com






From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Apr  3 12:58:10 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 05:58:10 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <d174eabe796296aeaecfd26f0c3d2c9e@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcXGvEC71iLJZPzZV_+YOh7=Lz8skKdORCedeJrtVBrPg@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice, Christian.  Just a minor change.  ????????????? >
?????????????.  Best,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:40 PM Christian Ferstl <
christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:

> Could this be a possible nirukti for Corona?
>
> ?? ?????? ????????
> ????????????????? ?
> ??????? ?????????????
> ??????? ??? ????? ?
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 02.04.2020 16:07, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
> > "??? ? ???? ???:
> > ??????????????????:, ?
> > ????????" ???
> > ????????????? ?
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 6:58 AM Christian Ferstl
> > <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
> >
> >> ????????????????? ???
> >> ???? ?? ????? ?
> >> ?????????????????
> >> ???????? ????? ??? ?
> >>
> >> Did Rama and Sita leave the city of Ayodhya, crowded with many
> >> townsfolk, in order to avoid the virus?
> >>
> >> Christian Ferstl
> >>
> >> Am 02.04.2020 14:57, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> >>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >>>
> >>> ???????????????????
> >>> ?????? ??????????? ???:
> >> ?
> >>>
> >>> ????????????????????
> >>> ?????? ?????: ??
> >>>
> >>> ?Scared about contacting the Coronavirus, I see the mountain
> >>> Dronagiri in front of me, but how can I lift it?? such is the
> >>> concern of Hanuman.
> >>>
> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>
> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> >>
> >>> committee)
> >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
> >> options
> >>> or unsubscribe)
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Apr  3 13:18:58 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 06:18:58 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzf+rzDWDomvSkinHLNNkqxkb=7b+gYfOiShJFpBYZ6NiA@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

?????????? ???????? ???????? ????? ??? ?
?????? ?? ??????? ?? ?????? ???????????? ??

Ravana says: ?I have to sanitize my twenty hands, and my ten faces are tied
up. O Corona, I am finished.?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From dmellins at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 19:37:18 2020
From: dmellins at gmail.com (David Mellins)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 15:37:18 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Resources on indigenous Bangladeshi plants
Message-ID: <CA+zzeirHDV=eFiy9mzOcvdY37vbOoJ8HrAE2DhJ3LCOU2nFpow@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have recommendations for sources on names, classifications and
morphologies of indigenous Bangladeshi plants?

Thanks in advanced for any suggestions,

David Mellins


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From vjroebuck at btinternet.com  Fri Apr  3 20:48:25 2020
From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie Roebuck)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 21:48:25 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzf+rzDWDomvSkinHLNNkqxkb=7b+gYfOiShJFpBYZ6NiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0455B6DB-6A63-478A-909A-D30FBDB53A7F@btinternet.com>

Brilliant!

Valerie
Manchester, UK

> On 3 Apr 2020, at 14:18, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????? ??? ?
> ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ?????? ???????????? ??
> 
> Ravana says: ?I have to sanitize my twenty hands, and my ten faces are tied up.  O Corona, I am finished.?
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From will at tending.to  Fri Apr  3 22:01:52 2020
From: will at tending.to (Prof. W Tuladhar-Douglas)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 23:01:52 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Resources on indigenous Bangladeshi plants
In-Reply-To: <CA+zzeirHDV=eFiy9mzOcvdY37vbOoJ8HrAE2DhJ3LCOU2nFpow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7D68E6C-5FB8-40E6-AF7C-2E4327299D2E@tending.to>

Dear David,

Do you mean names for plants in Indigenous languages of Bangladesh, or just general information on the flora of Bangladesh? There are numerous sources in English and Bengali for the latter, ranging from entries in the Banglopedia through Pasha and Uddin's _Dictionary of Plant Names of Bangladesh_, to the Flora of Bangladesh in many volumes.

The former is a somewhat more challenging question, but some of Shaikh Bokhtear Uddin's publications can help and depending on the community there is plenty of scholarship around lexicons, traditional medicine and so forth carried out by Indigenous scholars.

Be well,

?WBTD. 
- - -- --- ----- -------- ------------- 
Will Tuladhar-Douglas 
Research Fellow, Hamburg University 
Situgyan Consulting Ltd. <https://situgyan.com/>



> On 3 Apr 2020, at 20:37, David Mellins via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have recommendations for sources on names, classifications and morphologies of indigenous Bangladeshi plants?
> 
> Thanks in advanced for any suggestions,
> 
> David Mellins
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 23:13:24 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 19:13:24 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] English-sanskrit grammatical terms list or book
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o8Zi7M57QHdmgEO5UphQp-K84Z=hRF=F57gC0j8v_b8Fg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Does anyone have or know of books or resources that relate western
grammatical terms for sanskrit to their sanskrit equivalents . Something
like Abhyankar's Dictionary of Sanskrit Grammar, but in the reverse
direction, english to sanskrit.

Thanks,
Harry Spier


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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Sat Apr  4 02:13:11 2020
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 20 02:13:11 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] English-sanskrit grammatical terms list or book
Message-ID: <1585966228.S.79603.autosave.drafts.1585966391.27112@webmail.rediffmail.com>

Dr.Spier,Yes, my guess turned out to be correct.You can get the dictionary from MLBD publishers, India.
Alakendu Das.

Sent from RediffmailNG on Android




From: Harry Spier via INDOLOGY &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt;
Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 04:44:24 GMT+0530
To: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: [INDOLOGY] English-sanskrit grammatical terms list or book

Dear list members,
Does anyone have or know of books or resources that relate western grammatical terms for sanskrit to their sanskrit equivalents . Something like Abhyankar's Dictionary of Sanskrit Grammar, but in the reverse direction, english to sanskrit.

Thanks,Harry Spier
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 03:42:56 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 20 23:42:56 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] English-sanskrit grammatical terms list or book
In-Reply-To: <1585966228.S.79603.autosave.drafts.1585966391.27112@webmail.rediffmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o9RmcyR3LoYF8SmyesbpX2gjWuw2g=v3KkNAXvDT4V9=A@mail.gmail.com>

Its not Abhyankar's dictionary I want but something like the reverse.  That
gives the sanskrit equivalents of english grammatical terms for sanskrit .
PS.  its Mr. Spier not Dr. Spier but please call me Harry.
Thanks,

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:13 PM alakendu das <
mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com> wrote:

> Dr.Spier,
> Yes, my guess turned out to be correct.You can get the dictionary from
> MLBD publishers, India.
>
> Alakendu Das.
>
> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>
>
>
>
> From: Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 04:44:24 GMT+0530
> To: indology at list.indology.info
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] English-sanskrit grammatical terms list or book
>
> Dear list members,
>
> Does anyone have or know of books or resources that relate western
> grammatical terms for sanskrit to their sanskrit equivalents . Something
> like Abhyankar's Dictionary of Sanskrit Grammar, but in the reverse
> direction, english to sanskrit.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry Spier
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Sat Apr  4 09:01:44 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 20 11:01:44 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzf+rzDWDomvSkinHLNNkqxkb=7b+gYfOiShJFpBYZ6NiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17b6444a962bed47f4f8321d47dd4eef@univie.ac.at>


????? ?????? ????? ???????????? ??? ?
?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ?

The Lord of Lanka, an expert for Covid-19, pointed out to Sita:
"Illness is nourished by grief, hence stay in the Ashoka Forest!"


Christian Ferstl


Am 03.04.2020 15:18, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ?????????? ????????
> ???????? ????? ??? ?
> 
> ?????? ?? ??????? ??
> ?????? ???????????? ??
> 
> Ravana says: ?I have to sanitize my twenty hands, and my ten faces
> are tied up. O Corona, I am finished.?
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From janvikalp at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 11:46:20 2020
From: janvikalp at gmail.com (Pramod Ranjan)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 20 17:16:20 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <17b6444a962bed47f4f8321d47dd4eef@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAD7FnMDXAjFkJ=wV1f38Tn7-o3E11wkEwiy4jO+JDJGvhvJO_w@mail.gmail.com>

Great!

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 2:32 PM Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> ????? ?????? ????? ???????????? ??? ?
> ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ?
>
> The Lord of Lanka, an expert for Covid-19, pointed out to Sita:
> "Illness is nourished by grief, hence stay in the Ashoka Forest!"
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 03.04.2020 15:18, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ?????????? ????????
> > ???????? ????? ??? ?
> >
> > ?????? ?? ??????? ??
> > ?????? ???????????? ??
> >
> > Ravana says: ?I have to sanitize my twenty hands, and my ten faces
> > are tied up. O Corona, I am finished.?
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Apr  4 13:46:34 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 20 06:46:34 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcBCwtU+P=m-S8r6vi+CNKjazz7LUr0uAcg=zjpkdi3Ow@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

????????????????????? ??????????? ????????? ?: ?
????????????? ???? ?????? ?????? ????: ??

Seeing the island of Lanka being overwhelmed by the danger of the
Coronavirus, confused as to what course to take, Ravana abandoned the
battle.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 18:53:24 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 20 12:53:24 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81lacakra_etexts=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Ce+oJ6wELrvQ9Eshek55_nH+qCGiVApLL6rzNztF-pR8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekbJNLoiARs=qZzmJTMZPmdc-4v+fK2EbwUf-qcELZxUBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dominik,

I was also hoping that someone might have one or both of these texts typed
up. But after three days without a reply, I must assume not. Many years ago
I input the *K?lacakra-tantra*. This was done in a long since discontinued
program (Pagemaker 4 for Mac), before the days of unicode, in a custom
diacritic font made by a friend. I was able to transfer the files into a
Word document, move it to a PC, and do search-and-replace for the diacritic
letters to make them unicode. However, it has never been proofread. This
would require many days.

Perhaps your specific interest is in the second chapter, which has a lot
pertaining to medicine. If so, I could try to proofread that chapter and
hopefully send it to you in maybe a week. If you need to check something
sooner, I could try to search it for you.

For the *K?lacakra-tantra* itself, the 1985 edition by Biswanath Banerjee
is often better than the tantra as included in the *Vimalaprabh?* edition,
with the caveat that Banerjee's edition has a lot of misprints. The first
volume of the *Vimalaprabh?* edition, including chapters 1 and 2, was
published in 1986. This volume was done before Banerjee's edition came out.
So Jagannatha Upadhyaya adopted the text of the tantra from a paper
manuscript (his ms. ka), a very good paper manuscript, but not as good as
some of the old palm-leaf manuscripts used by Banerjee. By the way, a
better scan of this *Vimalaprabh?* volume is here:

http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/vimalaprabha_tika_vol_1_1986.pdf

The other two volumes of the *Vimalaprabh?* edition seem sometimes to have
adopted Banerjee's readings for the tantra, and sometimes not. There are
quite a few errors in the edition of the *Vimalaprabh?* commentary itself.
Leaving aside the ever-present typos, most of the errors resulted from
adopting readings from the later paper manuscripts against those of the two
old palm-leaf manuscripts they used, which latter were normally supported
by the Tibetan translation. So if you see a variant reading in the
footnotes saying that such and such is in mss. ga and ca, the two old
palm-leaf manuscripts, that reading is almost always the correct one;
especially when it is supported by the Tibetan translation, as it usually
is (designated as bho). The same institute that published this edition of
the *Vimalaprabh?* is preparing a new edition, which will likely correct
these errors, since they now have more palm-leaf manuscripts to collate.

Lastly, the first ever publication of the *K?lacakra-tantra*, by Raghu Vira
and Lokesh Chandra in 1966, still has some value. Those two editors just
wanted to make the text available, so they did not take the time to compare
it with the Tibetan translation that they published along with it (as long
ago noted by Helmut Hoffmann). Occasionally it has the correct reading when
the other two editions do not (e.g., a?utanuja in 1.25c, rather than
anutanuja). Sometimes all three editions are wrong (e.g. guror in 1.2d,
rather than guro). I have posted only this edition of the tantra, because
at the time, Banerjee's edition was still in print. It can be found here:

http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/kalacakra_tantra_1966.pdf

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:36 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Has anyone typed up some or all of the *K?lacakratantra* and/or the
> *Vimalaprabh?* commentary?  Ideally from the
>
>  Up?dhy?ya, J.; Rinpoche, S.; Dvived?, V. & Bahulakar, S. S. (Eds.),  *?rima?ju?r?ya?oviracitasya
> param?dibuddhoddh?tasya ?r?Laghuk?lacakratantrar?jasya Kalkin?
> ?r?pu??ar?ke?a viracit? ??k? Vimalaprabh? = Vimalaprabh???k? of Kalkin
> ?r?pu??ar?ka on ?r?laghuk?lacakratantrar?ja by ?r?ma?ju?r?ya?as
> <http://n2t.net/ark:/13960/t7vm96773>*, 1986-1994, 3v.
>
> edition.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Apr  4 19:28:42 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 20 12:28:42 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81lacakra_etexts=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekbJNLoiARs=qZzmJTMZPmdc-4v+fK2EbwUf-qcELZxUBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfaMNxqpg9Pg7-chuDaNMK06jo-2xOD8jYFoW2G7jYKzA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear David,

     Your scan of the edition by Jagannatha Upadhyaya triggered my memory
of his visit to the University of Michigan probably sometime in the 1980s.
He gave a talk in Sanskrit and I translated it into English for the
audience.  Best,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:54 AM David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
>
> I was also hoping that someone might have one or both of these texts typed
> up. But after three days without a reply, I must assume not. Many years ago
> I input the *K?lacakra-tantra*. This was done in a long since
> discontinued program (Pagemaker 4 for Mac), before the days of unicode, in
> a custom diacritic font made by a friend. I was able to transfer the files
> into a Word document, move it to a PC, and do search-and-replace for the
> diacritic letters to make them unicode. However, it has never been
> proofread. This would require many days.
>
> Perhaps your specific interest is in the second chapter, which has a lot
> pertaining to medicine. If so, I could try to proofread that chapter and
> hopefully send it to you in maybe a week. If you need to check something
> sooner, I could try to search it for you.
>
> For the *K?lacakra-tantra* itself, the 1985 edition by Biswanath Banerjee
> is often better than the tantra as included in the *Vimalaprabh?*
> edition, with the caveat that Banerjee's edition has a lot of misprints.
> The first volume of the *Vimalaprabh?* edition, including chapters 1 and
> 2, was published in 1986. This volume was done before Banerjee's edition
> came out. So Jagannatha Upadhyaya adopted the text of the tantra from a
> paper manuscript (his ms. ka), a very good paper manuscript, but not as
> good as some of the old palm-leaf manuscripts used by Banerjee. By the way,
> a better scan of this *Vimalaprabh?* volume is here:
>
>
> http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/vimalaprabha_tika_vol_1_1986.pdf
>
> The other two volumes of the *Vimalaprabh?* edition seem sometimes to
> have adopted Banerjee's readings for the tantra, and sometimes not. There
> are quite a few errors in the edition of the *Vimalaprabh?* commentary
> itself. Leaving aside the ever-present typos, most of the errors resulted
> from adopting readings from the later paper manuscripts against those of
> the two old palm-leaf manuscripts they used, which latter were normally
> supported by the Tibetan translation. So if you see a variant reading in
> the footnotes saying that such and such is in mss. ga and ca, the two old
> palm-leaf manuscripts, that reading is almost always the correct one;
> especially when it is supported by the Tibetan translation, as it usually
> is (designated as bho). The same institute that published this edition of
> the *Vimalaprabh?* is preparing a new edition, which will likely correct
> these errors, since they now have more palm-leaf manuscripts to collate.
>
> Lastly, the first ever publication of the *K?lacakra-tantra*, by Raghu
> Vira and Lokesh Chandra in 1966, still has some value. Those two editors
> just wanted to make the text available, so they did not take the time to
> compare it with the Tibetan translation that they published along with it
> (as long ago noted by Helmut Hoffmann). Occasionally it has the correct
> reading when the other two editions do not (e.g., a?utanuja in 1.25c,
> rather than anutanuja). Sometimes all three editions are wrong (e.g. guror
> in 1.2d, rather than guro). I have posted only this edition of the tantra,
> because at the time, Banerjee's edition was still in print. It can be found
> here:
>
>
> http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/kalacakra_tantra_1966.pdf
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Reigle
> Colorado, U.S.A.
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:36 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone typed up some or all of the *K?lacakratantra* and/or the
>> *Vimalaprabh?* commentary?  Ideally from the
>>
>>  Up?dhy?ya, J.; Rinpoche, S.; Dvived?, V. & Bahulakar, S. S. (Eds.),  *?rima?ju?r?ya?oviracitasya
>> param?dibuddhoddh?tasya ?r?Laghuk?lacakratantrar?jasya Kalkin?
>> ?r?pu??ar?ke?a viracit? ??k? Vimalaprabh? = Vimalaprabh???k? of Kalkin
>> ?r?pu??ar?ka on ?r?laghuk?lacakratantrar?ja by ?r?ma?ju?r?ya?as
>> <http://n2t.net/ark:/13960/t7vm96773>*, 1986-1994, 3v.
>>
>> edition.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
>> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> sas.ualberta.ca
>>
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From witzel at fas.harvard.edu  Sat Apr  4 20:00:32 2020
From: witzel at fas.harvard.edu (Witzel, Michael)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 20 20:00:32 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
Message-ID: <E158716D-261F-4AE6-BED6-9250CA764145@fas.harvard.edu>

Dear All,
We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.

As it is the weekend, for your amusement:

The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:
 (https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)

Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?:
"o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).  Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"

Cheers!
Michael


Michael Witzel
Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA
ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
witzel at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:witzel at fas.harvard.edu>
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From rhododaktylos at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 20:13:29 2020
From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 20 22:13:29 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
In-Reply-To: <E158716D-261F-4AE6-BED6-9250CA764145@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEjEOsBP+JaEXQYXRSdcxzNcW9RJWgn2Os87MvMmxmDfcTjaiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Michael,

There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the
mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as
'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid
Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to make me think:-)); Roslin's
medicine is kamala extract - and so on.

I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no
avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian,
and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond
that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be
most grateful!

(And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather
than sv?h?.)

All the best,
     Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)

On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear All,
> We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
>
> As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
>
> The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old
> "Battleship Galactica" series now:
>  (https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)
>
> Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?:
> "o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).  Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
>
> Cheers!
> Michael
>
>
> Michael Witzel
> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow
> Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA
> ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
> witzel at fas.harvard.edu
> www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm
>
>
>
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-- 
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From timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 22:32:12 2020
From: timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 00:32:12 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf request
Message-ID: <e143b71e-3bd3-1651-937e-5b21313af467@gmail.com>

Dear all,

does anybody have a pdf of the following two articles and would be 
willing to share them?

(1) Cardona, George. "/Anvaya/ and /Vyatireka/ in Indian Grammar." 
/Adyar Library Bulletin/ 31--32 (1967--1968): 313--52.

(2) Joshi, S. D. "/Adjectives and substantives/ as a /single class/ in 
the 'parts of speech'." PCASS-A 9. (1966).

Thanks in advance and best regards

Tim



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From timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 23:28:00 2020
From: timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 01:28:00 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Cardona anvaya and vyatireka
Message-ID: <4aae6bb6-5ff8-5104-e506-ef2d1a1d2bd4@gmail.com>

Dear all,

thanks to the numerous people on the list who already provided with 
Cardona's article!

As I infer from the messages I received so far, the Joshi one seems to 
be a desideratum in the digital libraries of many others as well...

Best

Tim






From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Apr  4 23:50:41 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 20 16:50:41 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf request
In-Reply-To: <e143b71e-3bd3-1651-937e-5b21313af467@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcsgF=hxQkrOp4+3NQwNNscepTrzNSmwLiE0LSvpLq0jg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Tim,

     I don't have a pdf, but I have a print copy of S.D. Joshi's article on
adjectives and substantives.  If you don't get a pdf from some source, let
me know.  I can scan it for you.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:33 PM Tim Felix Aufderheide via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> does anybody have a pdf of the following two articles and would be willing
> to share them?
>
> (1) Cardona, George. "*Anvaya* and *Vyatireka* in Indian Grammar." *Adyar
> Library Bulletin* 31--32 (1967--1968): 313--52.
>
> (2) Joshi, S. D. "*Adjectives and substantives* as a *single class* in
> the 'parts of speech'." PCASS-A 9. (1966).
>
> Thanks in advance and best regards
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Sun Apr  5 07:05:01 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 09:05:01 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcBCwtU+P=m-S8r6vi+CNKjazz7LUr0uAcg=zjpkdi3Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <978fe0b4537f03b53894c54b85ec70b0@univie.ac.at>


?? ???? ???? ?????????????
????? ??????? ???????????? ?
???? ???? ?? ???????? ????
? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?

"Ah!" all the kings and the most eminent sages together with their 
servants were wailing, "o Sita, we have come entirely in vain, your 
lotus-like feet may not be touched!"

Christian Ferstl



Am 04.04.2020 15:46, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ?????????????????????
> ??????????? ????????? ?: ?
> 
> ????????????? ????
> ?????? ?????? ????: ??
> 
> Seeing the island of Lanka being overwhelmed by the danger of the
> Coronavirus, confused as to what course to take, Ravana abandoned the
> battle.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Sun Apr  5 10:06:22 2020
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 10:06:22 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a puzzling codicological term
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB405922E31B816105E8F4D45EA1C50@DM6PR11MB4059.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Dear friends,

This is not an Indological query, but because some of you have extensive experience in the area of codicology I thought you might be able to help.

I have come across a term or abbreviation - "msptis" - that seems not to be a typo, as a search shows that it was current in 18th c. publications, particularly in catalogues of theological and patristic works. It comes up too - and this is why I am interested - in the title of a scholarly note on a Tibetan manuscript published in 1722: "nova literaria de msptis codicibus in Tartaria repertis." ("Tartaria" in this case refers to Siberia, where the manuscript was found.) In any case, I have had no luck finding the meaning of "msptis" in the resources available to me, in print or online. (Perhaps it is related to Hebrew MSPT, "justice"?) Pointers would be much appreciated.

with thanks in advance,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago


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From prajnapti at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 10:11:39 2020
From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 06:11:39 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a puzzling codicological term
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB405922E31B816105E8F4D45EA1C50@DM6PR11MB4059.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BFD69759-0330-40A9-B796-6F4C6F13BDF0@gmail.com>

Hi Mathew,

Might it be an abbreviation for ?manuscripts??

Dan

> On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:06 AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> nova literaria de msptis codicibus in Tartaria repertis



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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Sun Apr  5 10:21:15 2020
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 10:21:15 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a puzzling codicological term
In-Reply-To: <BFD69759-0330-40A9-B796-6F4C6F13BDF0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB40590AD714C48BE82338112DA1C50@DM6PR11MB4059.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks to Dan Lusthaus and Christian Ferstl for their quick suggestions.
It seems likely to be "manuscriptis," dative plurel to agree with codicibus and thus referring to a handwritten, as opposed to a printed, volume/codex. This would fit the context at least.

best,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: Dan Lusthaus <prajnapti at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 5:11 AM
To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
Cc: indology at list.indology.info <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] a puzzling codicological term

Hi Mathew,

Might it be an abbreviation for ?manuscripts??

Dan

On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:06 AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

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From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de  Sun Apr  5 10:23:09 2020
From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 12:23:09 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Re:  a puzzling codicological term
In-Reply-To: <BFD69759-0330-40A9-B796-6F4C6F13BDF0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E89CDAD020000C3000A9D33@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>

Dear Mathew

probably it stands parallel with the following because of de in the
ablative plural:

de m[anu]s[ri]ptis (-i?s) codicibus


Best,

Raik Strunz









???????????




Raik Strunz, M.A.


Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de
Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 


Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg
Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften
Seminar f?r Indologie
Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9
D-06108 Halle (Saale)


www.indologie.uni-halle.de


???????????


??????????? ??????? ?
 

>>> Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> 05.04.20
12.13 Uhr >>>
Hi Mathew,

Might it be an abbreviation for ?manuscripts??


Dan

On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:06 AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY
<indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sun Apr  5 10:26:18 2020
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 12:26:18 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a puzzling codicological term
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB405922E31B816105E8F4D45EA1C50@DM6PR11MB4059.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <20200405122618.Horde.se6KvNmxBnNcvUtQmrWyANH@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>

Dear Mathew,

de msptis codicibus = de manuscriptis codicibus ("in handwritten codices").

With best regards,
Roland






From pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de  Sun Apr  5 10:32:50 2020
From: pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de (Peter Wyzlic)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 12:32:50 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a puzzling codicological term
In-Reply-To: <BFD69759-0330-40A9-B796-6F4C6F13BDF0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D3D74AD-3923-431B-AF37-7DF4B757013D@uni-bonn.de>

Dear Matthew Kapstein,

In that example above (nova literaria de msptis codicibus in Tartaria repertis) it is clearly the ablative "manuscriptis", handwritten. So it means: new literary remains from handwritten books discovered in Tartary.

All the best
Peter Wyzlic

> Am 05.04.2020 um 12:11 schrieb Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>:
> 
> Hi Mathew,
> 
> Might it be an abbreviation for ?manuscripts??
> 
> Dan

?
Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften
Bibliothek
Universit?t Bonn
Br?hler Stra?e 7
53119 Bonn





From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Sun Apr  5 10:43:38 2020
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 10:43:38 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a puzzling codicological term
In-Reply-To: <BFD69759-0330-40A9-B796-6F4C6F13BDF0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3C831AF-35C9-4259-A435-04A81D138078@austin.utexas.edu>

Dan is probably right, but given that it occurs in Latin writing, could it be ?manuscriptis? the ablative plural going with codicibus, also ablative plural.

Patrick




On Apr 5, 2020, at 5:11 AM, Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Hi Mathew,

Might it be an abbreviation for ?manuscripts??

Dan

On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:06 AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

nova literaria de msptis codicibus in Tartaria repertis

_______________________________________________
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From timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 10:48:45 2020
From: timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 12:48:45 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Joshi article Adjective and Substantives
Message-ID: <3ee4f416-1032-29a7-82df-0e75149ebeb7@gmail.com>

Dear all,

over night I also received a scan of the Joshi article.

Thanks and best

Tim






From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Sun Apr  5 10:58:22 2020
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 10:58:22 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a puzzling codicological term
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yes, we all agree - thanks to everyone!

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes, ?m?rite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] a puzzling codicological term

Dan is probably right, but given that it occurs in Latin writing, could it be ?manuscriptis? the ablative plural going with codicibus, also ablative plural.

Patrick




On Apr 5, 2020, at 5:11 AM, Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Hi Mathew,

Might it be an abbreviation for ?manuscripts??

Dan

On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:06 AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

nova literaria de msptis codicibus in Tartaria repertis

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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 11:09:04 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 16:39:04 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEjEOsBP+JaEXQYXRSdcxzNcW9RJWgn2Os87MvMmxmDfcTjaiQ@mail.gmail.com>
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There is this book:

The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition
https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q

,.........    ........ .......... .....

Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic
movie.
It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about *maya* ? that if we can
cut through
the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of
things.
Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda
described,
who can defy the laws of normal reality.?

How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism
.......     .......... ............

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Michael,
>
> There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of
> the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully
> subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of
> Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to make me
> think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
>
> I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no
> avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian,
> and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond
> that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be
> most grateful!
>
> (And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather
> than sv?h?.)
>
> All the best,
>      Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach
> me:-(!)
>
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>> We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
>>
>> As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
>>
>> The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old
>> "Battleship Galactica" series now:
>>  (https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)
>>
>> Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?:
>> "o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).  Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> Michael Witzel
>> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow
>> Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA
>> ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
>> witzel at fas.harvard.edu
>> www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm
>>
>>
>>
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>
> --
> Dr Antonia Ruppel
> cambridge-sanskrit.org
> allthingssanskrit.com
>
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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 12:30:33 2020
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (Girish Jha)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 18:00:33 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <978fe0b4537f03b53894c54b85ec70b0@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAKdrZG1qBuGKTwdh9JNKR-18=tEHhony_H7pRZguNRxPkOh=eg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mr Christian

I am indeed happy to read your sloka but it is needed to be cautious about
the gender too.It should be ?????????? ?? ???????? as ???? is in neuter
gender.you might have better used ????? ???? instead of ???? ???? ?? and
the meaning be the same with the protection of metre.
Regards
Girish K.Jha

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, 12:35 Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> ???? ???? ?? ???????? ????
> ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
>
> "Ah!" all the kings and the most eminent sages together with their
> servants were wailing, "o Sita, we have come entirely in vain, your
> lotus-like feet may not be touched!"
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
>
> Am 04.04.2020 15:46, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ?????????????????????
> > ??????????? ????????? ?: ?
> >
> > ????????????? ????
> > ?????? ?????? ????: ??
> >
> > Seeing the island of Lanka being overwhelmed by the danger of the
> > Coronavirus, confused as to what course to take, Ravana abandoned the
> > battle.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Sun Apr  5 13:00:35 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 15:00:35 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <978fe0b4537f03b53894c54b85ec70b0@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <60c89f7d157652740fd5a34b8d721b23@univie.ac.at>


Please excuse my awkward previous stanza! This version is now corrected 
and improved by Girish K. Jha:

?? ???? ???? ?????????????
????? ??????? ???????????? ?
????? ???? ???????? ????
? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?

Christian

Am 05.04.2020 09:05, schrieb Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY:
> ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> ???? ???? ?? ???????? ????
> ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
> 
> "Ah!" all the kings and the most eminent sages together with their
> servants were wailing, "o Sita, we have come entirely in vain, your
> lotus-like feet may not be touched!"
> 
> Christian Ferstl
> 
> 
> 
> Am 04.04.2020 15:46, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>> 
>> ?????????????????????
>> ??????????? ????????? ?: ?
>> 
>> ????????????? ????
>> ?????? ?????? ????: ??
>> 
>> Seeing the island of Lanka being overwhelmed by the danger of the
>> Coronavirus, confused as to what course to take, Ravana abandoned the
>> battle.
>> 
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> 
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr  5 13:10:21 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 06:10:21 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <978fe0b4537f03b53894c54b85ec70b0@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzc3qXMpcMKuXjR_W-XnSmgrEWGLD1Rp=ub60g23A_+6EQ@mail.gmail.com>

Beautiful poem.  May suggest a minor change?  ? ?????????? ?? ???????? > ?
?????????? ?? ???????? or ? ?????????? ?? ?????????.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:05 AM Christian Ferstl <
christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:

>
> ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> ???? ???? ?? ???????? ????
> ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
>
> "Ah!" all the kings and the most eminent sages together with their
> servants were wailing, "o Sita, we have come entirely in vain, your
> lotus-like feet may not be touched!"
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
>
> Am 04.04.2020 15:46, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ?????????????????????
> > ??????????? ????????? ?: ?
> >
> > ????????????? ????
> > ?????? ?????? ????: ??
> >
> > Seeing the island of Lanka being overwhelmed by the danger of the
> > Coronavirus, confused as to what course to take, Ravana abandoned the
> > battle.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sun Apr  5 13:25:19 2020
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 15:25:19 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <60c89f7d157652740fd5a34b8d721b23@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20200405152519.Horde.W0w-TpzmaHcj3WUXWakPidW@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>

> Please excuse my awkward previous stanza! This version is now
> corrected and improved by Girish K. Jha:
>
> ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> ????? ???? ???????? ????
> ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?

Just for the indological record (without wanting to encourage or  
discourage anyone here):
1. /padma /is also used as a masculine (examples: /r?ghava?  
cintayitvaivam upetya cara?au pitu? /
ha?sa? padm?v iva navau jagr?ha nakhakesarau/; or:/ adya tv atitar??  
brahman mama bh?gyaviparyay?t /
himenev?hata? padmas sampanno harita? k??a?/). 2. The metre in the  
"original" stanza is a (correct) Upaj?ti. Now it is a (correct)  
Indravajr?.

RS


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr  5 13:34:14 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 06:34:14 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzevzczefPqL+G=YTX_Rp1_p19afxGAHvcRiQWWYgMmFqg@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

??????????????? ?????????????? ?????: ?
???????? ? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??

Scared of the danger of the Coronavirus, overcome by worry, Ravana freed
Sita and quickly took refuge with Lord Rama.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sun Apr  5 13:36:03 2020
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 15:36:03 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <20200405152519.Horde.W0w-TpzmaHcj3WUXWakPidW@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <20200405153603.Horde.vu9rRfIs2m9evxF5tAk2jFL@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>

> 2. The meter in the "original" stanza is a (correct) Upaj?ti. Now it  
> is a (correct) Indravajr?.

Vice versa, of course.

RS


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr  5 13:41:50 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 06:41:50 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <20200405152519.Horde.W0w-TpzmaHcj3WUXWakPidW@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdfw6ZdmwhqHoZ5mFaDFAg-GXuzwn_B3YvwACRFVk3UzA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Roland,

The passages that you quote look like they are from epic/puranic works.
The norm in classical literature is to use *padma *in neuter gender, like
other words for the lotus.  I would stick with the neuter usage as far as
possible. Best wishes,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:26 AM Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> > Please excuse my awkward previous stanza! This version is now
> > corrected and improved by Girish K. Jha:
> >
> > ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> > ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> > ????? ???? ???????? ????
> > ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
>
> Just for the indological record (without wanting to encourage or
> discourage anyone here):
> 1. *padma* is also used as a masculine (examples:
> *r?ghava? cintayitvaivam upetya cara?au pitu? / ha?sa? padm?v iva navau
> jagr?ha nakhakesarau*; or:
> *adya tv atitar?? brahman mama bh?gyaviparyay?t / himenev?hata? padmas
> sampanno harita? k??a?*). 2. The metre in the "original" stanza is a
> (correct) Upaj?ti. Now it is a (correct) Indravajr?.
>
> RS
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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 13:54:36 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 15:54:36 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <20200405152519.Horde.W0w-TpzmaHcj3WUXWakPidW@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nV_JHw-iiejNEqaRfS2PL4-vENv33gJJyqM4y0wXc6XJA@mail.gmail.com>

Has not the ?ruti said:



avidy?y?m antare vartam?n??

svaya?dh?r?? pa??ita?manyam?n?? |

dandramyam???? pariyanti m??h?

andhenaiva n?yam?n? yath?ndh?? ||


As it appears from the cascade of poetic performances to which we are
exposed here as spectators, it was - alas - uttered in vain.

Am So., 5. Apr. 2020 um 15:26 Uhr schrieb Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

>
> > Please excuse my awkward previous stanza! This version is now
> > corrected and improved by Girish K. Jha:
> >
> > ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> > ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> > ????? ???? ???????? ????
> > ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
>
> Just for the indological record (without wanting to encourage or
> discourage anyone here):
> 1. *padma* is also used as a masculine (examples:
> *r?ghava? cintayitvaivam upetya cara?au pitu? / ha?sa? padm?v iva navau
> jagr?ha nakhakesarau*; or:
> *adya tv atitar?? brahman mama bh?gyaviparyay?t / himenev?hata? padmas
> sampanno harita? k??a?*). 2. The metre in the "original" stanza is a
> (correct) Upaj?ti. Now it is a (correct) Indravajr?.
>
> RS
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From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 14:15:09 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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Where svaya?dh?r?? is the operative word.

All that we say as indologists would have been said in vain in the eyes of the ?ruti liberationists. What better time for liberating levity than this? Spectators can always close their eyes.


Aleksandar Uskokov

Lector in Sanskrit

South Asian Studies Council, Yale University

203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu

________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 8:54 AM
To: Roland Steiner <steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de>
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus


Has not the ?ruti said:



avidy?y?m antare vartam?n??

svaya?dh?r?? pa??ita?manyam?n?? |

dandramyam???? pariyanti m??h?

andhenaiva n?yam?n? yath?ndh?? ||


As it appears from the cascade of poetic performances to which we are exposed here as spectators, it was - alas - uttered in vain.

Am So., 5. Apr. 2020 um 15:26 Uhr schrieb Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>:

> Please excuse my awkward previous stanza! This version is now
> corrected and improved by Girish K. Jha:
>
> ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> ????? ???? ???????? ????
> ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?

Just for the indological record (without wanting to encourage or discourage anyone here):
1. padma is also used as a masculine (examples: r?ghava? cintayitvaivam upetya cara?au pitu? /
ha?sa? padm?v iva navau jagr?ha nakhakesarau; or: adya tv atitar?? brahman mama bh?gyaviparyay?t /
himenev?hata? padmas sampanno harita? k??a?). 2. The metre in the "original" stanza is a (correct) Upaj?ti. Now it is a (correct) Indravajr?.

RS

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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sun Apr  5 14:24:02 2020
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 16:24:02 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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Dear Madhav,

> The norm in classical literature is to use *padma *in neuter gender, like
> other words for the lotus.

I am aware of this, but there is also evidence in non-epic and  
non-puranic works, for example

K?emendra's /Darpadalana /(7.30):

/??o?aprabh?rdr?v iva p?dapadmau/

Or, Somadeva's /Kath?sarits?gara /(5.2.229):

/ubhau kala?apadmau ca ?u?ubhate sit?ru?au/

Or, /Mok?op?ya /5.65.29 (= "/Yogav?si??ha/")

/padm?v iva jaloddh?tau/

Perhaps it is no coincidence that these examples all come from texts  
that originated in Kashmir.

With best regards,
Roland


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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 14:28:58 2020
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (Girish Jha)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 19:58:58 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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Dear Mr Steiner
I am glad to read your examples.But in ancient epics such as the Ramayana
and Mahabharata,etc some uses of padma are found in masculine .But in
post-paninian poetry these usages are not available.Hence in the works of
Poetics as the Kavyaprakasa it has been considered a
dosa( blemish) to use a word in unpopular
gender.There is cited an example,bhaati padmah sarovare.Hence Post-paninian
poets don't use it in Masculine.
Thank you very much to give us an opportunity to exercise our mind.
Kindest regards
Girish K.Jha

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, 18:56 Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> > Please excuse my awkward previous stanza! This version is now
> > corrected and improved by Girish K. Jha:
> >
> > ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> > ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> > ????? ???? ???????? ????
> > ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
>
> Just for the indological record (without wanting to encourage or
> discourage anyone here):
> 1. *padma* is also used as a masculine (examples:
> *r?ghava? cintayitvaivam upetya cara?au pitu? / ha?sa? padm?v iva navau
> jagr?ha nakhakesarau*; or:
> *adya tv atitar?? brahman mama bh?gyaviparyay?t / himenev?hata? padmas
> sampanno harita? k??a?*). 2. The metre in the "original" stanza is a
> (correct) Upaj?ti. Now it is a (correct) Indravajr?.
>
> RS
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr  5 14:33:57 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 07:33:57 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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Dear Roland,

     Your observation that many of these masculine usages for *padma* come
from Kashmir is interesting. I have no idea of how gender works in Kashmiri
and particularly in old Kashmiri.  Just looking at Hindi, the three
gendered words of Sanskrit get redistributed to two genders.  While Marathi
has three genders like Sanskrit, the genders of words often change in
Marathi.  Words like *svapna *and *vighna *that are masculine in Sanskrit
become neuter in Marathi.  The Marathi users of Sanskrit will instinctively
use these words in neuter, till they are corrected by a learned pandit.
???? ????? of Hindi has always shocked me as a Marathi speaker.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 7:24 AM Roland Steiner <steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de>
wrote:

> Dear Madhav,
>
>
> > The norm in classical literature is to use *padma *in neuter gender, like
> > other words for the lotus.
>
> I am aware of this, but there is also evidence in non-epic and non-puranic
> works, for example
>
> K?emendra's *Darpadalana* (7.30):
>
> *??o?aprabh?rdr?v iva p?dapadmau*
>
> Or, Somadeva's *Kath?sarits?gara* (5.2.229):
>
> *ubhau kala?apadmau ca ?u?ubhate sit?ru?au*
>
> Or, *Mok?op?ya* 5.65.29 (= "*Yogav?si??ha*")
>
> *padm?v iva jaloddh?tau*
>
> Perhaps it is no coincidence that these examples all come from texts that
> originated in Kashmir.
>
> With best regards,
> Roland
>


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From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de  Sun Apr  5 14:54:22 2020
From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 22:54:22 +0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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On 2020-04-05 22:33, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY wrote:

> [...]  Just looking at Hindi, the three gendered words of Sanskrit get 
> redistributed to two genders.  While Marathi has three genders like 
> Sanskrit, the genders of words often change in Marathi.  Words like 
> _svapna _and _vighna _that are masculine in Sanskrit become neuter in 
> Marathi.  The Marathi users of Sanskrit will instinctively use these 
> words in neuter, till they are corrected by a learned pandit.  ???? 
> ????? of Hindi has always shocked me as a Marathi speaker.

???? ?????? Shocking. Is this because Hindi is actually, 'under the 
hood', so to speak, Urdu, and the corresponding Persian or Arabic word 
is feminine? I am reminded of a horror like ???? ??????, where '??????' 
is feminine because ????? is feminine.

RZ


-- 
Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos
Institute of Indology and Tibetology
Department of Asian Studies
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU)
Germany





From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sun Apr  5 15:08:08 2020
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 17:08:08 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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Dear Mr Jha,

Thank you for your comments, but as you may have seen, there are also  
examples of the masculine use of /padma/ in "post-paninian poetry".  
Another example of this usage is Vidy?kara's /Subh??itaratnako?a  
/33.49 (= 1067) :

up?labhyo n?ya? sakalabhuvan??caryamahim?
harer n?bh?padma? prabhavati hi sarvatra niyati?
yad atraiva brahm? pibati nijam ?yur madhu punar
vilumpanti sved?dhikam am?tah?dya? madhuliha?

Or, /Nai?adh?yacarita /(15.46):
padadvaye ?sy? navay?vara?jan? janais tad?n?m udan?yat?rpit?
cir?ya PADMAU parirabhya j?grat? ni??va vi?li?ya nav? ravidyuti?

Or, B??a's /Har?acarita:/
??li?y?sya sakaladurmadamah?p?lamaulim?l?l?litau P?DAPADM?V antast?p?n  
mukhacandram iva drav?bhavanta?
da?anajyotsn?j?lam iva jalat?m ?padyam?na? locanal?va?yam iva  
vil?yam?na? mukhasudh?rasam iva syandam?nam acch?ccham a?rusrotas??  
sa?t?na? mah?meghamayavilocana iva var?an nitaravad vimukt?r?va? cira?  
ruroda.

(I owe the reference to the /Nai?adh?yacarita /and the /Har?acarita/  
to Walter Slaje.)

Since many classical works are still not available in critical  
editions, it is not always possible to say for sure whether a text  
originally read e.g. /padme /or /padmau/, especially since the  
tradition might tend to the supposedly correct /padme/ in the course  
of time.

With kind regards,
Roland Steiner


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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 15:13:57 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 17:13:57 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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> Spectators can always close their eyes.

... only to end up like the proverbial blind (yath?ndh??) who let
themselves be guided by another blind man (andhenaiva n?yam?n??)? Closing
one's eyes is certainly a congenial advice scholars would welcome from a
scholar.


Am So., 5. Apr. 2020 um 16:15 Uhr schrieb Uskokov, Aleksandar <
aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu>:

> Where svaya?dh?r?? is the operative word.
>
> All that we say as indologists would have been said in vain in the eyes of
> the ?ruti liberationists. What better time for liberating levity than this?
> Spectators can always close their eyes.
>
> Aleksandar Uskokov
>
> Lector in Sanskrit
>
> South Asian Studies Council, Yale University
>
> 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 5, 2020 8:54 AM
> *To:* Roland Steiner <steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de>
> *Cc:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
>
>
> Has not the ?ruti said:
>
>
>
> avidy?y?m antare vartam?n??
>
> svaya?dh?r?? pa??ita?manyam?n?? |
>
> dandramyam???? pariyanti m??h?
>
> andhenaiva n?yam?n? yath?ndh?? ||
>
>
> As it appears from the cascade of poetic performances to which we are
> exposed here as spectators, it was - alas - uttered in vain.
>
> Am So., 5. Apr. 2020 um 15:26 Uhr schrieb Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info>:
>
>
> > Please excuse my awkward previous stanza! This version is now
> > corrected and improved by Girish K. Jha:
> >
> > ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> > ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> > ????? ???? ???????? ????
> > ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
>
> Just for the indological record (without wanting to encourage or
> discourage anyone here):
> 1. *padma* is also used as a masculine (examples:
> *r?ghava? cintayitvaivam upetya cara?au pitu? / ha?sa? padm?v iva navau
> jagr?ha nakhakesarau*; or:
> *adya tv atitar?? brahman mama bh?gyaviparyay?t / himenev?hata? padmas
> sampanno harita? k??a?*). 2. The metre in the "original" stanza is a
> (correct) Upaj?ti. Now it is a (correct) Indravajr?.
>
> RS
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From aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu  Sun Apr  5 15:28:27 2020
From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 15:28:27 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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Perhaps closing the eyes should always be on one's mind when the leader is not sarvaj?a and sarvavid, to keep with the Ka?ha/Mu??aka context.

I prefer the verse about pra??ntacitt?ya ?am?nvit?ya. So I will let further responses fly by.


Aleksandar Uskokov

Lector in Sanskrit

South Asian Studies Council, Yale University

203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu

________________________________
From: Walter Slaje <walter.slaje at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 10:13 AM
To: Uskokov, Aleksandar <aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu>
Cc: Roland Steiner <steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de>; Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus

> Spectators can always close their eyes.

... only to end up like the proverbial blind (yath?ndh??) who let themselves be guided by another blind man (andhenaiva n?yam?n??)? Closing one's eyes is certainly a congenial advice scholars would welcome from a scholar.


Am So., 5. Apr. 2020 um 16:15 Uhr schrieb Uskokov, Aleksandar <aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu<mailto:aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu>>:
Where svaya?dh?r?? is the operative word.

All that we say as indologists would have been said in vain in the eyes of the ?ruti liberationists. What better time for liberating levity than this? Spectators can always close their eyes.


Aleksandar Uskokov

Lector in Sanskrit

South Asian Studies Council, Yale University

203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu<mailto:aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu>

________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 8:54 AM
To: Roland Steiner <steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de<mailto:steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de>>
Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus


Has not the ?ruti said:



avidy?y?m antare vartam?n??

svaya?dh?r?? pa??ita?manyam?n?? |

dandramyam???? pariyanti m??h?

andhenaiva n?yam?n? yath?ndh?? ||


As it appears from the cascade of poetic performances to which we are exposed here as spectators, it was - alas - uttered in vain.

Am So., 5. Apr. 2020 um 15:26 Uhr schrieb Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>:

> Please excuse my awkward previous stanza! This version is now
> corrected and improved by Girish K. Jha:
>
> ?? ???? ???? ?????????????
> ????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> ????? ???? ???????? ????
> ? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?

Just for the indological record (without wanting to encourage or discourage anyone here):
1. padma is also used as a masculine (examples: r?ghava? cintayitvaivam upetya cara?au pitu? /
ha?sa? padm?v iva navau jagr?ha nakhakesarau; or: adya tv atitar?? brahman mama bh?gyaviparyay?t /
himenev?hata? padmas sampanno harita? k??a?). 2. The metre in the "original" stanza is a (correct) Upaj?ti. Now it is a (correct) Indravajr?.

RS

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr  5 16:05:16 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 09:05:16 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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Professor Jha's citation from Mamma?a's K?vyaprak??a calling the usage *bh?ti
padma? sarovare *was also on my mind.  Clearly, he knew that some poets
used *padma *in masculine, but considered it to be a *do?a.  *If we
discount Mamma?a's value judgment, his statement probably means something
like this: the neuter usage of *padma* is the mainstream usage, while the
masculine usage is marginal.  This is something like
Kiparsky's interpretation of P??ini's term *vibh???* referring to marginal
usages.  On the other hand, the Amarako?a says: *v? pu?si padmam nalinam *etc.
indicating that Amara knew the alternating genders and didn't see any
problem.  So we have Mamma?a on one side and Amara on the other side.  An
interesting situation indeed.  ???? ?????????? ??: ?????????

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 7:33 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Dear Roland,
>
>      Your observation that many of these masculine usages for *padma*
> come from Kashmir is interesting. I have no idea of how gender works in
> Kashmiri and particularly in old Kashmiri.  Just looking at Hindi, the
> three gendered words of Sanskrit get redistributed to two genders.  While
> Marathi has three genders like Sanskrit, the genders of words often change
> in Marathi.  Words like *svapna *and *vighna *that are masculine in
> Sanskrit become neuter in Marathi.  The Marathi users of Sanskrit will
> instinctively use these words in neuter, till they are corrected by a
> learned pandit.  ???? ????? of Hindi has always shocked me as a Marathi
> speaker.
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 7:24 AM Roland Steiner <
> steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de> wrote:
>
>> Dear Madhav,
>>
>>
>> > The norm in classical literature is to use *padma *in neuter gender,
>> like
>> > other words for the lotus.
>>
>> I am aware of this, but there is also evidence in non-epic and
>> non-puranic works, for example
>>
>> K?emendra's *Darpadalana* (7.30):
>>
>> *??o?aprabh?rdr?v iva p?dapadmau*
>>
>> Or, Somadeva's *Kath?sarits?gara* (5.2.229):
>>
>> *ubhau kala?apadmau ca ?u?ubhate sit?ru?au*
>>
>> Or, *Mok?op?ya* 5.65.29 (= "*Yogav?si??ha*")
>>
>> *padm?v iva jaloddh?tau*
>>
>> Perhaps it is no coincidence that these examples all come from texts that
>> originated in Kashmir.
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Roland
>>
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From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 18:24:24 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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  If one continues searching for the masculine usage of /padma,/ one  
finds more examples:

vasante ??tabh?tena kokilena vane rutam
antarjalagat?? padm?? ?rotuk?m? ivotthit??
(quoted by R?ja?ekhara in chapter 14 of his /K?vyam?m??s?/)

Vallabhadeva?s /Subh??it?vali /292:
ja?e prabhavati pr?yo du?kha? bibhrati s?dhava?
sit????v udite padm?? sa?koc?ta?kadh?ri?a?

That may be enough for now.

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From dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  5 16:42:30 2020
From: dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com (Jeffery Long)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 16:42:30 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
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I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has come up on this list!
Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the opening credits of the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica?(a series which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness). ?The word pracoday?t?is mispronounced as prakoday?t, presumably because the creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic languages. ?But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.
The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of monotheism. ?The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic faiths.
Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in popular sci-fi series. ?My own humble contributions to this discourse are as follows:
A piece on Hindu themes in Star Wars. ?It's the second part of a two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George Harrison and the Beatles:
Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two


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A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.' ?I have updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in various speaking venues:
The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long


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I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the Vedanta Society of New York. ?He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.
A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in my forthcoming?Hinduism?in America: A Convergence of Worlds, due to be published later this year by Bloomsbury.
Though Game of Thrones?is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a piece on Hindu themes in Game of Thrones?that is also going to be in a forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in Game of Thrones.
May the Force be with you!
Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 There is this book:
The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q?

,.........? ? ........ .......... .....
Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic movie.?It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about?maya?? that if we can cut through?the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of things.?Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda described,?who can defy the laws of normal reality.???


How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism??
.......? ? ?.......... ............
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Michael,
There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to?make me think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian, and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be most grateful!
(And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather than sv?h?.)?
All the best,? ? ?Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear All,We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:?(https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)
Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?: ?"o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).? Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
Cheers!Michael

Michael Witzel
Wales Prof. of Sanskrit,?Dept. of South Asian?Studies, 1 Bow Street,?Cambridge, MA 02138,?USA
ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
witzel at fas.harvard.edu
www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm


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From dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  5 16:46:34 2020
From: dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com (Jeffery Long)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 16:46:34 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
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P.S. Vasudha Narayanan's following article is also of great interest in regard to the larger question of Hindu influence on Western popular culture, as of course is Philip Goldberg's American Veda:?Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy


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Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:43:18 PM EDT, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has come up on this list!
Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the opening credits of the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica?(a series which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness). ?The word pracoday?t?is mispronounced as prakoday?t, presumably because the creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic languages. ?But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.
The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of monotheism. ?The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic faiths.
Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in popular sci-fi series. ?My own humble contributions to this discourse are as follows:
A piece on Hindu themes in Star Wars. ?It's the second part of a two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George Harrison and the Beatles:
Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two


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Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two

By Jeffrey D. Long Introduction In the first part of this two-part series on the ?two Georges??Harrison and Luca...
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A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.' ?I have updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in various speaking venues:
The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long


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The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long

Guest Speaker Dr. Jeffery D. Long speaks on ?The Yoga of Yoda? at the Vedanta Society of New York on May 28, 201...
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I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the Vedanta Society of New York. ?He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.
A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in my forthcoming?Hinduism?in America: A Convergence of Worlds, due to be published later this year by Bloomsbury.
Though Game of Thrones?is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a piece on Hindu themes in Game of Thrones?that is also going to be in a forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in Game of Thrones.
May the Force be with you!
Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 There is this book:
The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q?

,.........? ? ........ .......... .....
Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic movie.?It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about?maya?? that if we can cut through?the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of things.?Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda described,?who can defy the laws of normal reality.???


How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism??
.......? ? ?.......... ............
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Michael,
There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to?make me think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian, and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be most grateful!
(And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather than sv?h?.)?
All the best,? ? ?Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear All,We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:?(https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)
Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?: ?"o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).? Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
Cheers!Michael

Michael Witzel
Wales Prof. of Sanskrit,?Dept. of South Asian?Studies, 1 Bow Street,?Cambridge, MA 02138,?USA
ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
witzel at fas.harvard.edu
www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm


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From hhhock at illinois.edu  Sun Apr  5 17:08:26 2020
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 17:08:26 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzdf4CmEXnJ03kbRQSVZYiXdpNAp1g=xDfj87hx4NC-Mkg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks, Madhav, for the reference to Hindi ???? ?????.

I had been aware of several Sanskrit neuter words that were taken into Hindi with feminine gender (pustak(a) = kit?b (f.), vastu = ??z (f.), ?yu = umra (f.)), but not any masculine.

The feminine gender for mer? ?tm? can be explained as modeled on the Urdu expression mer? j?n, just as the neuter --> feminine words above can be explained in terms of the gender of their Urdu counterparts. The importance of mer? ?tm? lies in the fact that it is not neuter in Sanskrit, and hence alternative explanations in terms of claiming that gender assignment of Sanskrit words in Hindi fluctuates (similar to what happened in Romance languages) become less likely.

The fact that Sanskrit words like these have been assigned feminine gender further supports the idea that a certain amount of the ?Sanskritization" of Hindi consisted in simply substituting a Sanskrit form for an existing Urdu word, without adjusting the gender. Maybe this was an early phenomenon, when the first concerted effort was made to substitute Sanskrit words for Urdu ones?

Has anyone else noted similar cases of odd gender assignment of Sanskrit borrowings in Hindi? I would appreciate any additional examples that might be out there.

One more curiosum: Checking the web I find a fair amount of citations with ??? ??????; interestingly, they seem to be quite common in Christian Hindi texts, but there was at least once citation from an ISKON text as well. Could this be a case of hyper-Sanskritization?

At any rate, when I saw your message, I was shocked, too, at the mere existence of a collocation like ???? ?????.

Stay healthy and keep being productive,

Hans Henrich



On 5 Apr2020, at 09:33, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear Roland,

     Your observation that many of these masculine usages for padma come from Kashmir is interesting. I have no idea of how gender works in Kashmiri and particularly in old Kashmiri.  Just looking at Hindi, the three gendered words of Sanskrit get redistributed to two genders.  While Marathi has three genders like Sanskrit, the genders of words often change in Marathi.  Words like svapna and vighna that are masculine in Sanskrit become neuter in Marathi.  The Marathi users of Sanskrit will instinctively use these words in neuter, till they are corrected by a learned pandit.  ???? ????? of Hindi has always shocked me as a Marathi speaker.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 7:24 AM Roland Steiner <steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de<mailto:steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de>> wrote:

Dear Madhav,


> The norm in classical literature is to use *padma *in neuter gender, like
> other words for the lotus.

I am aware of this, but there is also evidence in non-epic and non-puranic works, for example

K?emendra's Darpadalana (7.30):

??o?aprabh?rdr?v iva p?dapadmau

Or, Somadeva's Kath?sarits?gara (5.2.229):

ubhau kala?apadmau ca ?u?ubhate sit?ru?au

Or, Mok?op?ya 5.65.29 (= "Yogav?si??ha")

padm?v iva jaloddh?tau

Perhaps it is no coincidence that these examples all come from texts that originated in Kashmir.

With best regards,
Roland

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From ambapradeep at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 17:46:44 2020
From: ambapradeep at gmail.com (Amba Kulkarni)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 23:16:44 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <16486425-4187-48D1-B968-4F4CC6991FBA@illinois.edu>
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Here are a few more examples of change in gender from Sanskrit to Hindi

???? ??? -> ??????
??? ??? -> ??????
????? ??? -> (???) ??????

I could not find any exmaple where a fem Sanskrit word is changed to Masc.
in Hindi.

Best,
Amba



On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 22:39, Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Thanks, Madhav, for the reference to Hindi ???? ?????*.*
>
> I had been aware of several Sanskrit neuter words that were taken into
> Hindi with feminine gender (*pustak(a) = kit?b* (f.), *vastu = ??z *(f.),
> *?yu* = *umra* (f.)), but not any masculine.
>
> The feminine gender for *mer? ?tm?* can be explained as modeled on the
> Urdu expression *mer? j?n*, just as the neuter --> feminine words above
> can be explained in terms of the gender of their Urdu counterparts. The
> importance of *mer? ?tm? *lies in the fact that it is not neuter in
> Sanskrit, and hence alternative explanations in terms of claiming that
> gender assignment of Sanskrit words in Hindi fluctuates (similar to what
> happened in Romance languages) become less likely.
>
> The fact that Sanskrit words like these have been assigned feminine gender
> further supports the idea that a certain amount of the ?Sanskritization" of
> Hindi consisted in simply substituting a Sanskrit form for an existing Urdu
> word, without adjusting the gender. Maybe this was an early phenomenon,
> when the first concerted effort was made to substitute Sanskrit words for
> Urdu ones?
>
> Has anyone else noted similar cases of odd gender assignment of Sanskrit
> borrowings in Hindi? I would appreciate any additional examples that might
> be out there.
>
> One more curiosum: Checking the web I find a fair amount of citations with
> ??? ??????; interestingly, they seem to be quite common in Christian Hindi
> texts, but there was at least once citation from an ISKON text as well.
> Could this be a case of hyper-Sanskritization?
>
> At any rate, when I saw your message, I was shocked, too, at the mere
> existence of a collocation like ???? ?????.
>
> Stay healthy and keep being productive,
>
> Hans Henrich
>
>
>
> On 5 Apr2020, at 09:33, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Roland,
>
>      Your observation that many of these masculine usages for * padma*
> come from Kashmir is interesting. I have no idea of how gender works in
> Kashmiri and particularly in old Kashmiri.  Just looking at Hindi, the
> three gendered words of Sanskrit get redistributed to two genders.  While
> Marathi has three genders like Sanskrit, the genders of words often change
> in Marathi.  Words like * svapna *and *vighna *that are masculine in
> Sanskrit become neuter in Marathi.  The Marathi users of Sanskrit will
> instinctively use these words in neuter, till they are corrected by a
> learned pandit.  ???? ????? of Hindi has always shocked me as a Marathi
> speaker.
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 7:24 AM Roland Steiner <
> steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de> wrote:
>
>> Dear Madhav,
>>
>>
>> > The norm in classical literature is to use *padma *in neuter gender,
>> like
>> > other words for the lotus.
>>
>> I am aware of this, but there is also evidence in non-epic and
>> non-puranic works, for example
>>
>> K?emendra's *Darpadalana* (7.30):
>>
>> *??o?aprabh?rdr?v iva p?dapadmau*
>>
>> Or, Somadeva's *Kath?sarits?gara* (5.2.229):
>>
>> *ubhau kala?apadmau ca ?u?ubhate sit?ru?au*
>>
>> Or, *Mok?op?ya* 5.65.29 (= "*Yogav?si??ha*")
>>
>> *padm?v iva jaloddh?tau*
>>
>> Perhaps it is no coincidence that these examples all come from texts that
>> originated in Kashmir.
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Roland
>>
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From: dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com (Jeffery Long)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 18:02:01 +0000
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Dear Antonia,
Yes, I think you are correct. ?The G?yatr? mantra and other features of the show are no doubt meant to create an "atmosphere" as much as anything, and to build up to the idea that several ancient cultures of earth could plausibly have been descended from the culture of the humans who fled the Cylons. ?(I think I just dropped a huge spoiler! ?But the show is absolutely worth viewing to see how all of its various themes and character arcs play out.) ?And yes, it is definitely significant that Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original series, was Mormon, and consciously included aspects of Mormon thought in it. ?(The important planet Kobol, for example, is a clear anagram for the planet Kolob described in a Mormon text called the Book of Abraham.) ?The re-envisioned Galactica series is much less tied to Mormonism than Larson's original, but certainly contains nods to it.
As I argue in my piece on Hinduism and Star Wars, the creators of most of these successful sci-fi series are typically not trying, consciously, to communicate specific religious themes so much as they are trying to tell an interesting and entertaining story, with at least as many hints of a deeper cultural background as needed to evoke what Tolkien called the "inner consistency of reality."
Cheers,Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 01:30:36 PM EDT, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk> wrote:  
 
 Michael's post made me google around a little bit, and the answer to how we got the g?yatr? mantra in the credits may lie not with the creator of the show, but with the composer of the score, Bear McCreary. It seems that he likes the trope of 'ominous Latin [sic] chanting', and has used it in a variety of languages:?
Ominous Latin Chanting: Chanting in?Anglo-Saxon,?Armenian,?Gaelic, Greek,?Italian,?Latin?several?times,?Samoan,?Sanskrit,?Sinhalese, and?Icelandic.
Go to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary for links to each of those languages in action.
That does not explain the non-musical Sanskrit/Indic elements in the show, but given that there is copious Greek mythology present as well, I suppose maybe the unifying theme here is 'ancient' (and thus 'mysterious' etc), rather than a specific culture? After all, the series as a whole is meant to be taking place in an ancient past.?
(And then of course there are the various Mormon bits inherited from the original series, which one could argue are 'ancient' or at the very least 'old' by US cultural standards.)?
Antonia
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 18:47, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

P.S. Vasudha Narayanan's following article is also of great interest in regard to the larger question of Hindu influence on Western popular culture, as of course is Philip Goldberg's American Veda:?Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy


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Vasudha Narayanan

The story of America?s relationship with Hinduism is long and complex.
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Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:43:18 PM EDT, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has come up on this list!
Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the opening credits of the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica?(a series which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness).? The word pracoday?t?is mispronounced as prakoday?t, presumably because the creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic languages.? But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.
The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of monotheism.? The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic faiths.
Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in popular sci-fi series.? My own humble contributions to this discourse are as follows:
A piece on Hindu themes in Star Wars.? It's the second part of a two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George Harrison and the Beatles:
Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two


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Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two

By Jeffrey D. Long Introduction In the first part of this two-part series on the ?two Georges??Harrison and Luca...
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A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.' ?I have updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in various speaking venues:
The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long


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Guest Speaker Dr. Jeffery D. Long speaks on ?The Yoga of Yoda? at the Vedanta Society of New York on May 28, 201...
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I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the Vedanta Society of New York.? He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.
A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in my forthcoming?Hinduism?in America: A Convergence of Worlds, due to be published later this year by Bloomsbury.
Though Game of Thrones?is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a piece on Hindu themes in Game of Thrones?that is also going to be in a forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in Game of Thrones.
May the Force be with you!
Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 There is this book:
The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q?

,.........? ? ........ .......... .....
Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic movie.?It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about?maya?? that if we can cut through?the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of things.?Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda described,?who can defy the laws of normal reality.???


How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism??
.......? ? ?.......... ............
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Michael,
There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to?make me think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian, and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be most grateful!
(And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather than sv?h?.)?
All the best,? ? ?Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear All,We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:?(https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)
Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?: ?"o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).? Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
Cheers!Michael

Michael Witzel
Wales Prof. of Sanskrit,?Dept. of South Asian?Studies, 1 Bow Street,?Cambridge, MA 02138,?USA
ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
witzel at fas.harvard.edu
www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm


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From: rpg at berkeley.edu (Robert Goldman)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 11:55:36 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
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There is, of course Roger Zelazny?s 1967 Scifi novel, Lord of Light and, perhaps tangentially, there is the 2016 sci-fi film ?Arrival?in which  the actress Amy Adams plays an expert linguist and translator, Louise, who, because of her earlier assistance to the military with a translation from Farsi, is recruited by an army colonel to decipher the language of some extra-terrestrial visitors. When asked about other experts who might help, she says of a colleague at Berkeley, ?Ask him the Sanskrit word for ?war,? and its translation.? When the colonel reappears, he says the other linguist said ?gavisti? means ?an argument,? whereas Louise translates the same word as ?a desire for more cows.?

Bes to all. Be safe Stay well. 
Dr. R. P.  Goldman
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Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
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Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

> On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Antonia,
> 
> Yes, I think you are correct.  The G?yatr? mantra and other features of the show are no doubt meant to create an "atmosphere" as much as anything, and to build up to the idea that several ancient cultures of earth could plausibly have been descended from the culture of the humans who fled the Cylons.  (I think I just dropped a huge spoiler!  But the show is absolutely worth viewing to see how all of its various themes and character arcs play out.)  And yes, it is definitely significant that Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original series, was Mormon, and consciously included aspects of Mormon thought in it.  (The important planet Kobol, for example, is a clear anagram for the planet Kolob described in a Mormon text called the Book of Abraham.)  The re-envisioned Galactica series is much less tied to Mormonism than Larson's original, but certainly contains nods to it.
> 
> As I argue in my piece on Hinduism and Star Wars, the creators of most of these successful sci-fi series are typically not trying, consciously, to communicate specific religious themes so much as they are trying to tell an interesting and entertaining story, with at least as many hints of a deeper cultural background as needed to evoke what Tolkien called the "inner consistency of reality."
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff
> 
> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
> Elizabethtown College
> Elizabethtown, PA
> 
> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
> 
> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
> Lexington Books
> 
> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
> 
> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 01:30:36 PM EDT, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Michael's post made me google around a little bit, and the answer to how we got the g?yatr? mantra in the credits may lie not with the creator of the show, but with the composer of the score, Bear McCreary. It seems that he likes the trope of 'ominous Latin [sic] chanting', and has used it in a variety of languages: 
> 
> Ominous Latin Chanting <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OminousLatinChanting>: Chanting in Anglo-Saxon <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjPAx5-vD_A>, Armenian <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9CqxkuSldY>, Gaelic <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcMPp7TNo4>, Greek, Italian <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxric37OyA>, Latin <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDs6yZ4dbs> several <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QJObI711U> times <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMzkuKAIoL4>, Samoan <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIvppNWZUtc>, Sanskrit <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3YVq0Hvd8k>, Sinhalese <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eON5O5MRz5M>, and Icelandic <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoT2MgT2LVI>.
> 
> Go to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary> for links to each of those languages in action.
> 
> That does not explain the non-musical Sanskrit/Indic elements in the show, but given that there is copious Greek mythology present as well, I suppose maybe the unifying theme here is 'ancient' (and thus 'mysterious' etc), rather than a specific culture? After all, the series as a whole is meant to be taking place in an ancient past. 
> 
> (And then of course there are the various Mormon bits inherited from the original series, which one could argue are 'ancient' or at the very least 'old' by US cultural standards.) 
> 
> Antonia
> 
> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 18:47, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> P.S. Vasudha Narayanan's following article is also of great interest in regard to the larger question of Hindu influence on Western popular culture, as of course is Philip Goldberg's American Veda: 
> Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy <https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>
> 
> Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy
> Vasudha Narayanan
> The story of America?s relationship with Hinduism is long and complex.
>  <https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
> Elizabethtown College
> Elizabethtown, PA
> 
> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
> 
> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
> Lexington Books
> 
> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
> 
> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:43:18 PM EDT, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has come up on this list!
> 
> Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the opening credits of the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica (a series which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness).  The word pracoday?t is mispronounced as prakoday?t, presumably because the creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic languages.  But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.
> 
> The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of monotheism.  The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic faiths.
> 
> Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in popular sci-fi series.  My own humble contributions to this discourse are as follows:
> 
> A piece on Hindu themes in Star Wars.  It's the second part of a two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George Harrison and the Beatles:
> 
> Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two <https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>
> 
> Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two
> By Jeffrey D. Long Introduction In the first part of this two-part series on the ?two Georges??Harrison and Luca...
>  <https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>
> 
> 
> A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.'  I have updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in various speaking venues:
> 
> The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>
> 
> 	
> The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> Guest Speaker Dr. Jeffery D. Long speaks on ?The Yoga of Yoda? at the Vedanta Society of New York on May 28, 201...
>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>
> I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the Vedanta Society of New York.  He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.
> 
> A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in my forthcoming Hinduism in America: A Convergence of Worlds, due to be published later this year by Bloomsbury.
> 
> Though Game of Thrones is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a piece on Hindu themes in Game of Thrones that is also going to be in a forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in Game of Thrones.
> 
> May the Force be with you!
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
> Elizabethtown College
> Elizabethtown, PA
> 
> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
> 
> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
> Lexington Books
> 
> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
> 
> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> 
> There is this book:
> 
> The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q <https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q> 
> 
> ,.........    ........ .......... .....
> 
> Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic movie. 
> It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about maya ? that if we can cut through 
> the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of things. 
> Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda described, 
> who can defy the laws of normal reality.?  
> 
> How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
> https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism <https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism>  
> .......     .......... ............
> 
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Dear Michael,
> 
> There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to make me think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
> 
> I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian, and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be most grateful!
> 
> (And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather than sv?h?.) 
> 
> All the best,
>      Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)
> 
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Dear All,
> We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
> 
> As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
> 
> The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:
>  (https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica <https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica>)
> 
> Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?:  
> "o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).  Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
> 
> Cheers!
> Michael
> 
> 
> Michael Witzel
> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA
> ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
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From dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  5 20:13:04 2020
From: dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com (Jeffery Long)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 20:13:04 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
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Wonderful examples, Robert!
?Arrival? is based on a 1998?short story by Ted Chiang called ?Story of Your Life.? ?It?s available in Brian Aldiss, ed. ?A Science Fiction Omnibus? (Penguin Classics, 2007), which includes a wide array of excellent stories by masters in the field. ?Sole Solution,? by Eric Frank Russell, comes close to articulating an Advaitic conception of the nature of existence.?
With warmest regards,Jeff
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 2:55 PM, Robert Goldman <rpg at berkeley.edu> wrote:

There is, of course Roger Zelazny?s 1967 Scifi novel, Lord of Light and, perhaps tangentially, there isthe 2016 sci-fi film ?Arrival?in which ?theactress Amy Adams plays an expert linguist and translator, Louise, who, becauseof her earlier assistance to the military with a translation from Farsi, isrecruited by an army colonel to decipher the language of some extra-terrestrialvisitors. When asked about other experts who might help, she says of acolleague at Berkeley, ?Ask him the Sanskrit word for ?war,? and itstranslation.? When the colonel reappears, he says the other linguist said?gavisti? means ?an argument,? whereas Louise translates the same word as ?adesire for more cows.?
Bes to all. Be safe Stay well.?


 Dr. R. P. ?Goldman
Catherine and William L. Magistretti?Distinguished Professor in South and?Southeast Asian Studies
Department of South and Southeast Asian?Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
Dear Antonia,
Yes, I think you are correct. ?The G?yatr? mantra and other features of the show are no doubt meant to create an "atmosphere" as much as anything, and to build up to the idea that several ancient cultures of earth could plausibly have been descended from the culture of the humans who fled the Cylons. ?(I think I just dropped a huge spoiler! ?But the show is absolutely worth viewing to see how all of its various themes and character arcs play out.) ?And yes, it is definitely significant that Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original series, was Mormon, and consciously included aspects of Mormon thought in it. ?(The important planet Kobol, for example, is a clear anagram for the planet Kolob described in a Mormon text called the Book of Abraham.) ?The re-envisioned Galactica series is much less tied to Mormonism than Larson's original, but certainly contains nods to it.
As I argue in my piece on Hinduism and Star Wars, the creators of most of these successful sci-fi series are typically not trying, consciously, to communicate specific religious themes so much as they are trying to tell an interesting and entertaining story, with at least as many hints of a deeper cultural background as needed to evoke what Tolkien called the "inner consistency of reality."
Cheers,Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 01:30:36 PM EDT, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk> wrote:  
 
 Michael's post made me google around a little bit, and the answer to how we got the g?yatr? mantra in the credits may lie not with the creator of the show, but with the composer of the score, Bear McCreary. It seems that he likes the trope of 'ominous Latin [sic] chanting', and has used it in a variety of languages:?
Ominous Latin Chanting: Chanting in?Anglo-Saxon,?Armenian,?Gaelic, Greek,?Italian,?Latin?several?times,?Samoan,?Sanskrit,?Sinhalese, and?Icelandic.
Go to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary for links to each of those languages in action.
That does not explain the non-musical Sanskrit/Indic elements in the show, but given that there is copious Greek mythology present as well, I suppose maybe the unifying theme here is 'ancient' (and thus 'mysterious' etc), rather than a specific culture? After all, the series as a whole is meant to be taking place in an ancient past.?
(And then of course there are the various Mormon bits inherited from the original series, which one could argue are 'ancient' or at the very least 'old' by US cultural standards.)?
Antonia
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 18:47, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

P.S. Vasudha Narayanan's following article is also of great interest in regard to the larger question of Hindu influence on Western popular culture, as of course is Philip Goldberg's American Veda:?Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy


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Vasudha Narayanan
The story of America?s relationship with Hinduism is long and complex. |

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Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:43:18 PM EDT, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has come up on this list!
Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the opening credits of the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica?(a series which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness).? The word pracoday?t?is mispronounced as prakoday?t, presumably because the creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic languages.? But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.
The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of monotheism.? The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic faiths.
Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in popular sci-fi series.? My own humble contributions to this discourse are as follows:
A piece on Hindu themes in Star Wars.? It's the second part of a two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George Harrison and the Beatles:
Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two


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A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.' ?I have updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in various speaking venues:
The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long


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Guest Speaker Dr. Jeffery D. Long speaks on ?The Yoga of Yoda? at the Vedanta Society of New York on May 28, 201... |

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I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the Vedanta Society of New York.? He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.
A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in my forthcoming?Hinduism?in America: A Convergence of Worlds, due to be published later this year by Bloomsbury.
Though Game of Thrones?is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a piece on Hindu themes in Game of Thrones?that is also going to be in a forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in Game of Thrones.
May the Force be with you!
Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 There is this book:
The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q?

,.........? ? ........ .......... .....
Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic movie.?It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about?maya?? that if we can cut through?the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of things.?Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda described,?who can defy the laws of normal reality.???


How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism??
.......? ? ?.......... ............
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Michael,
There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to?make me think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian, and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be most grateful!
(And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather than sv?h?.)?
All the best,? ? ?Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear All,We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:?(https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)
Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?: ?"o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).? Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
Cheers!Michael

Michael Witzel
Wales Prof. of Sanskrit,?Dept. of South Asian?Studies, 1 Bow Street,?Cambridge, MA 02138,?USA
ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
witzel at fas.harvard.edu
www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm


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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 20:16:08 2020
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 20 22:16:08 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
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Message-ID: <CAMGmO4+W-27eU3euTFbc2Bz4NJLrHvZnsBypu_gChBdHg6BR3A@mail.gmail.com>

Ted Chiang published a collection which has other absolutely amazing
stories: *Stories of Your Life and Others*
Much recommended!

jonathan

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 10:13 PM Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Wonderful examples, Robert!
>
> ?Arrival? is based on a 1998 short story by Ted Chiang called ?Story of
> Your Life.?  It?s available in Brian Aldiss, ed. ?A Science Fiction
> Omnibus? (Penguin Classics, 2007), which includes a wide array of excellent
> stories by masters in the field. ?Sole Solution,? by Eric Frank Russell,
> comes close to articulating an Advaitic conception of the nature of
> existence.
>
> With warmest regards,
> Jeff
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 2:55 PM, Robert Goldman <rpg at berkeley.edu>
> wrote:
>
> There is, of course Roger Zelazny?s 1967 Scifi novel, *Lord of Light *and,
> perhaps tangentially, there is the 2016 sci-fi film ?Arrival?in which  the
> actress Amy Adams plays an expert linguist and translator, Louise, who,
> because of her earlier assistance to the military with a translation from
> Farsi, is recruited by an army colonel to decipher the language of some
> extra-terrestrial visitors. When asked about other experts who might help,
> she says of a colleague at Berkeley, ?Ask him the Sanskrit word for ?war,?
> and its translation.? When the colonel reappears, he says the other
> linguist said ?gavisti? means ?an argument,? whereas Louise translates the
> same word as ?a desire for more cows.?
>
> Bes to all. Be safe Stay well.
>
> Dr. R. P.  Goldman
> Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South
> and Southeast Asian Studies
> Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
> The University of California at Berkeley
> Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
> Tel: 510-642-4089
> Fax: 510-642-2409
>
> On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Antonia,
>
> Yes, I think you are correct.  The G?yatr? mantra and other features of
> the show are no doubt meant to create an "atmosphere" as much as anything,
> and to build up to the idea that several ancient cultures of earth could
> plausibly have been descended from the culture of the humans who fled the
> Cylons.  (I think I just dropped a huge spoiler!  But the show is
> absolutely worth viewing to see how all of its various themes and character
> arcs play out.)  And yes, it is definitely significant that Glen A. Larson,
> the creator of the original series, was Mormon, and consciously included
> aspects of Mormon thought in it.  (The important planet Kobol, for example,
> is a clear anagram for the planet Kolob described in a Mormon text called
> the Book of Abraham.)  The re-envisioned *Galactica* series is much less
> tied to Mormonism than Larson's original, but certainly contains nods to it.
>
> As I argue in my piece on Hinduism and *Star Wars*, the creators of most
> of these successful sci-fi series are typically not trying, consciously, to
> communicate specific religious themes so much as they are trying to tell an
> interesting and entertaining story, with at least as many hints of a deeper
> cultural background as needed to evoke what Tolkien called the "inner
> consistency of reality."
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff
>
> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
> Elizabethtown College
> Elizabethtown, PA
>
> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
>
> Series Editor, *Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical,
> and Philosophical*
> Lexington Books
>
> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all
> difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of
> life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
>
> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 01:30:36 PM EDT, Antonia Ruppel <
> antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Michael's post made me google around a little bit, and the answer to how
> we got the g?yatr? mantra in the credits may lie not with the creator of
> the show, but with the composer of the score, Bear McCreary. It seems that
> he likes the trope of 'ominous Latin [sic] chanting', and has used it in a
> variety of languages:
>
> Ominous Latin Chanting
> <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OminousLatinChanting>:
> Chanting in Anglo-Saxon <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjPAx5-vD_A>,
> Armenian <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9CqxkuSldY>, Gaelic
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcMPp7TNo4>, Greek, Italian
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxric37OyA>, Latin
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDs6yZ4dbs> several
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QJObI711U> times
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMzkuKAIoL4>, Samoan
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIvppNWZUtc>, Sanskrit
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3YVq0Hvd8k>, Sinhalese
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eON5O5MRz5M>, and Icelandic
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoT2MgT2LVI>.
>
> Go to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary for links
> to each of those languages in action.
>
> That does not explain the non-musical Sanskrit/Indic elements in the show,
> but given that there is copious Greek mythology present as well, I suppose
> maybe the unifying theme here is 'ancient' (and thus 'mysterious' etc),
> rather than a specific culture? After all, the series as a whole is meant
> to be taking place in an ancient past.
>
> (And then of course there are the various Mormon bits inherited from the
> original series, which one could argue are 'ancient' or at the very least
> 'old' by US cultural standards.)
>
> Antonia
>
> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 18:47, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> P.S. Vasudha Narayanan's following article is also of great interest in
> regard to the larger question of Hindu influence on Western popular
> culture, as of course is Philip Goldberg's *American Veda: *
> Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy
> <https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>
>
> Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy
>
> Vasudha Narayanan
> The story of America?s relationship with Hinduism is long and complex.
>
> <https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
> Elizabethtown College
> Elizabethtown, PA
>
> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
>
> Series Editor, *Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical,
> and Philosophical*
> Lexington Books
>
> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all
> difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of
> life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
>
> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:43:18 PM EDT, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>
> I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has
> come up on this list!
>
> Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the
> opening credits of the re-envisioned *Battlestar Galactica* (a series
> which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the
> seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness).  The word
> *pracoday?t* is mispronounced as *prakoday?t*, presumably because the
> creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is
> pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic
> languages.  But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.
>
> The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of
> monotheism.  The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has
> multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic
> faiths.
>
> Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have
> posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in
> popular sci-fi series.  My own humble contributions to this discourse are
> as follows:
>
> A piece on Hindu themes in *Star Wars*.  It's the second part of a
> two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George
> Harrison and the Beatles:
>
> Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two
> <https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>
>
> Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two
> By Jeffrey D. Long Introduction In the first part of this two-part series
> on the ?two Georges??Harrison and Luca...
>
> <https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>
>
>
> A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta
> Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.'  I have
> updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in
> various speaking venues:
>
> The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>
>
> The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> Guest Speaker Dr. Jeffery D. Long speaks on ?The Yoga of Yoda? at the
> Vedanta Society of New York on May 28, 201...
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>
> I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the
> Vedanta Society of New York.  He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and
> was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.
>
> A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in
> my forthcoming *Hinduism** in America: A Convergence of Worlds*, due to
> be published later this year by Bloomsbury.
>
> Though *Game of Thrones* is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a
> piece on Hindu themes in *Game of Thrones* that is also going to be in a
> forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in *Game of
> Thrones*.
>
> May the Force be with you!
>
> Jeff
>
> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
> Elizabethtown College
> Elizabethtown, PA
>
> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
>
> Series Editor, *Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical,
> and Philosophical*
> Lexington Books
>
> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all
> difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of
> life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
>
> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>
> There is this book:
>
> The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition
> https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q
>
> ,.........    ........ .......... .....
>
> Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic
> movie.
> It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about *maya* ? that if we
> can cut through
> the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of
> things.
> Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda
> described,
> who can defy the laws of normal reality.?
>
> How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
> https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism
> .......     .......... ............
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of
> the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully
> subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of
> Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to make me
> think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
>
> I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no
> avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian,
> and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond
> that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be
> most grateful!
>
> (And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather
> than sv?h?.)
>
> All the best,
>      Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach
> me:-(!)
>
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
> We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
>
> As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
>
> The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old
> "Battleship Galactica" series now:
>  (https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)
>
> Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?:
> "o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).  Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
>
> Cheers!
> Michael
>
>
> Michael Witzel
> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow
> Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA
> ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
> witzel at fas.harvard.edu
> www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm
>
>
>
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>
> --
> Dr Antonia Ruppel
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> allthingssanskrit.com
>
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From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 2:56 PM Robert Goldman via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> There is, of course Roger Zelazny?s 1967 Scifi novel, *Lord of Light *
>
 My favourite Sci-fi novel of all time with its sci-fi twist on Hindu gods,
origin of Buddhism, rebirth, nirvana etc. etc.
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Right on Antonia. Once could come up with a dozen or more words in Sanskrit for  war. battle etc.
Dr. R. P.  Goldman
Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South and Southeast Asian Studies
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

> On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> That scene from Arrival (and much of Arrival) got my goat from a linguistic perspective, and given how many people were talking about it back then, I tweeted the attached as an attempted Public Service Announcement. (Feel free to share, should the need ever arise!)
> 
> ?Antonia
> 
> For anyone on gmail who also doesn't receive attachments, here's the text:
> The Sanskrit Word for ?War?
> If you watched the recent science-fiction movie Arrival, you may remember the question asked to test a linguist?s usefulness for a military enterprise: ?What is the Sanskrit word for ?war??? The answer provided: ?A desire for cows?. Is it? Well ? yes and no. Sanskrit is a literary language. Literature tries to say what it says in ways that are interesting, appealing, aesthetically pleasing. If a text about a war were to only ever use the word ?war? (and not also, say, armed conflict, battle, clash, bloodshed, strife, misery, excitement), it would soon get boring. Sanskrit literature, furthermore, takes the use of alternative expressions even further than other literary traditions. War is called ?a coming together of chariots?, ?a stirring?, is evoked by referring to ?the battle  call?, ?the battle prize?, ?excitement? and, yes, in the poetic language of the Rigveda, the word gav-i??i- ?cow-desire? is used to mean ?desire? in general, a ?desire for fighting?, and, finally, ?fighting? in general. ? So, is ?a desire for cows? the Sanskrit word for war? More or less to the extent that ?shock and awe? is ?the English word for ?war??.
> 
> (The Sanskrit word that means ?battle? and nothing else is yuddham. Whether knowing an ancient word for ?battle? makes you more useful to the military is a question we will leave undiscussed here!)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 20:56, Robert Goldman via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> There is, of course Roger Zelazny?s 1967 Scifi novel, Lord of Light and, perhaps tangentially, there is the 2016 sci-fi film ?Arrival?in which  the actress Amy Adams plays an expert linguist and translator, Louise, who, because of her earlier assistance to the military with a translation from Farsi, is recruited by an army colonel to decipher the language of some extra-terrestrial visitors. When asked about other experts who might help, she says of a colleague at Berkeley, ?Ask him the Sanskrit word for ?war,? and its translation.? When the colonel reappears, he says the other linguist said ?gavisti? means ?an argument,? whereas Louise translates the same word as ?a desire for more cows.?
> 
> Bes to all. Be safe Stay well. 
> Dr. R. P.  Goldman
> Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South and Southeast Asian Studies
> Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
> The University of California at Berkeley
> Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
> Tel: 510-642-4089
> Fax: 510-642-2409
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Antonia,
>> 
>> Yes, I think you are correct.  The G?yatr? mantra and other features of the show are no doubt meant to create an "atmosphere" as much as anything, and to build up to the idea that several ancient cultures of earth could plausibly have been descended from the culture of the humans who fled the Cylons.  (I think I just dropped a huge spoiler!  But the show is absolutely worth viewing to see how all of its various themes and character arcs play out.)  And yes, it is definitely significant that Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original series, was Mormon, and consciously included aspects of Mormon thought in it.  (The important planet Kobol, for example, is a clear anagram for the planet Kolob described in a Mormon text called the Book of Abraham.)  The re-envisioned Galactica series is much less tied to Mormonism than Larson's original, but certainly contains nods to it.
>> 
>> As I argue in my piece on Hinduism and Star Wars, the creators of most of these successful sci-fi series are typically not trying, consciously, to communicate specific religious themes so much as they are trying to tell an interesting and entertaining story, with at least as many hints of a deeper cultural background as needed to evoke what Tolkien called the "inner consistency of reality."
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
>> Elizabethtown College
>> Elizabethtown, PA
>> 
>> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
>> 
>> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
>> Lexington Books
>> 
>> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
>> 
>> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 01:30:36 PM EDT, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk <mailto:antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Michael's post made me google around a little bit, and the answer to how we got the g?yatr? mantra in the credits may lie not with the creator of the show, but with the composer of the score, Bear McCreary. It seems that he likes the trope of 'ominous Latin [sic] chanting', and has used it in a variety of languages: 
>> 
>> Ominous Latin Chanting <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OminousLatinChanting>: Chanting in Anglo-Saxon <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjPAx5-vD_A>, Armenian <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9CqxkuSldY>, Gaelic <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcMPp7TNo4>, Greek, Italian <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxric37OyA>, Latin <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDs6yZ4dbs> several <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QJObI711U> times <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMzkuKAIoL4>, Samoan <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIvppNWZUtc>, Sanskrit <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3YVq0Hvd8k>, Sinhalese <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eON5O5MRz5M>, and Icelandic <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoT2MgT2LVI>.
>> 
>> Go to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary> for links to each of those languages in action.
>> 
>> That does not explain the non-musical Sanskrit/Indic elements in the show, but given that there is copious Greek mythology present as well, I suppose maybe the unifying theme here is 'ancient' (and thus 'mysterious' etc), rather than a specific culture? After all, the series as a whole is meant to be taking place in an ancient past. 
>> 
>> (And then of course there are the various Mormon bits inherited from the original series, which one could argue are 'ancient' or at the very least 'old' by US cultural standards.) 
>> 
>> Antonia
>> 
>> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 18:47, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> P.S. Vasudha Narayanan's following article is also of great interest in regard to the larger question of Hindu influence on Western popular culture, as of course is Philip Goldberg's American Veda: 
>> Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy <https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>
>> 
>> Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy
>> Vasudha Narayanan
>> The story of America?s relationship with Hinduism is long and complex.
>>  <https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
>> Elizabethtown College
>> Elizabethtown, PA
>> 
>> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
>> 
>> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
>> Lexington Books
>> 
>> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
>> 
>> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:43:18 PM EDT, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has come up on this list!
>> 
>> Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the opening credits of the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica (a series which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness).  The word pracoday?t is mispronounced as prakoday?t, presumably because the creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic languages.  But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.
>> 
>> The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of monotheism.  The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic faiths.
>> 
>> Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in popular sci-fi series.  My own humble contributions to this discourse are as follows:
>> 
>> A piece on Hindu themes in Star Wars.  It's the second part of a two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George Harrison and the Beatles:
>> 
>> Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two <https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>
>> 
>> Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two
>> By Jeffrey D. Long Introduction In the first part of this two-part series on the ?two Georges??Harrison and Luca...
>>  <https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>
>> 
>> 
>> A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.'  I have updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in various speaking venues:
>> 
>> The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>
>> 
>> 	
>> The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>> Guest Speaker Dr. Jeffery D. Long speaks on ?The Yoga of Yoda? at the Vedanta Society of New York on May 28, 201...
>>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>
>> I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the Vedanta Society of New York.  He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.
>> 
>> A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in my forthcoming Hinduism in America: A Convergence of Worlds, due to be published later this year by Bloomsbury.
>> 
>> Though Game of Thrones is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a piece on Hindu themes in Game of Thrones that is also going to be in a forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in Game of Thrones.
>> 
>> May the Force be with you!
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
>> Elizabethtown College
>> Elizabethtown, PA
>> 
>> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
>> 
>> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
>> Lexington Books
>> 
>> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
>> 
>> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> There is this book:
>> 
>> The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q <https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q> 
>> 
>> ,.........    ........ .......... .....
>> 
>> Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic movie. 
>> It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about maya ? that if we can cut through 
>> the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of things. 
>> Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda described, 
>> who can defy the laws of normal reality.?  
>> 
>> How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
>> https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism <https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism>  
>> .......     .......... ............
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> Dear Michael,
>> 
>> There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to make me think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
>> 
>> I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian, and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be most grateful!
>> 
>> (And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather than sv?h?.) 
>> 
>> All the best,
>>      Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)
>> 
>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
>> 
>> As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
>> 
>> The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:
>>  (https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica <https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica>)
>> 
>> Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?:  
>> "o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).  Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Witzel
>> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA
>> ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
>> witzel at fas.harvard.edu <mailto:witzel at fas.harvard.edu>
>> www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm <http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  6 00:21:56 2020
From: dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com (Jeffery Long)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 00:21:56 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
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"The Sanskrit word that means ?battle? and nothing else is yuddham."
And, of course, one derivative of?yuddham is yodha, or 'warrior.' ?Yoda! ?Which makes one recall Yoda's response to Luke Skywalker's statement, "I'm looking for a great warrior."
"Wars not make one great." ??Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back?
All the best,Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 06:21:51 PM EDT, Robert Goldman <rpg at berkeley.edu> wrote:  
 
 Right on Antonia. Once could come up with a dozen or more words in Sanskrit for ?war. battle etc.
Dr. R. P. ?Goldman
Catherine and William L. Magistretti?Distinguished Professor in South and?Southeast Asian Studies
Department of South and Southeast Asian?Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

That scene from Arrival (and much of Arrival) got my goat from a linguistic perspective, and given how many people were talking about it back then, I tweeted the attached as an attempted Public Service Announcement. (Feel free to share, should the need ever arise!)
?Antonia
For anyone on gmail who also doesn't receive attachments, here's the text:The Sanskrit Word for ?War?If you watched the recent science-fiction movie Arrival, you may remember the question asked to test a linguist?s usefulness for a military enterprise: ?What is the Sanskrit word for ?war??? The answer provided: ?A desire for cows?. Is it? Well ? yes and no. Sanskrit is a literary language. Literature tries to say what it says in ways that are interesting, appealing, aesthetically pleasing. If a text about a war were to only ever use the word ?war? (and not also, say, armed conflict, battle, clash, bloodshed, strife, misery, excitement), it would soon get boring. Sanskrit literature, furthermore, takes the use of alternative expressions even further than other literary traditions. War is called ?a coming together of chariots?, ?a stirring?, is evoked by referring to ?the battle? call?, ?the battle prize?, ?excitement? and, yes, in the poetic language of the Rigveda, the word gav-i??i- ?cow-desire? is used to mean ?desire? in general, a ?desire for fighting?, and, finally, ?fighting? in general. ? So, is ?a desire for cows? the Sanskrit word for war? More or less to the extent that ?shock and awe? is ?the English word for ?war??.
(The Sanskrit word that means ?battle? and nothing else is yuddham. Whether knowing an ancient word for ?battle? makes you more useful to the military is a question we will leave undiscussed here!)



On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 20:56, Robert Goldman via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

There is, of course Roger Zelazny?s 1967 Scifi novel, Lord of Light and, perhaps tangentially, there isthe 2016 sci-fi film ?Arrival?in which ?theactress Amy Adams plays an expert linguist and translator, Louise, who, becauseof her earlier assistance to the military with a translation from Farsi, isrecruited by an army colonel to decipher the language of some extra-terrestrialvisitors. When asked about other experts who might help, she says of acolleague at Berkeley, ?Ask him the Sanskrit word for ?war,? and itstranslation.? When the colonel reappears, he says the other linguist said?gavisti? means ?an argument,? whereas Louise translates the same word as ?adesire for more cows.?
Bes to all. Be safe Stay well.?


Dr. R. P.? Goldman
Catherine and William L. Magistretti?Distinguished Professor in South and?Southeast Asian Studies
Department of South and Southeast Asian?Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
Dear Antonia,
Yes, I think you are correct.? The G?yatr? mantra and other features of the show are no doubt meant to create an "atmosphere" as much as anything, and to build up to the idea that several ancient cultures of earth could plausibly have been descended from the culture of the humans who fled the Cylons. ?(I think I just dropped a huge spoiler!? But the show is absolutely worth viewing to see how all of its various themes and character arcs play out.) ?And yes, it is definitely significant that Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original series, was Mormon, and consciously included aspects of Mormon thought in it. ?(The important planet Kobol, for example, is a clear anagram for the planet Kolob described in a Mormon text called the Book of Abraham.) ?The re-envisioned Galactica series is much less tied to Mormonism than Larson's original, but certainly contains nods to it.
As I argue in my piece on Hinduism and Star Wars, the creators of most of these successful sci-fi series are typically not trying, consciously, to communicate specific religious themes so much as they are trying to tell an interesting and entertaining story, with at least as many hints of a deeper cultural background as needed to evoke what Tolkien called the "inner consistency of reality."
Cheers,Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 01:30:36 PM EDT, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk> wrote:  
 
 Michael's post made me google around a little bit, and the answer to how we got the g?yatr? mantra in the credits may lie not with the creator of the show, but with the composer of the score, Bear McCreary. It seems that he likes the trope of 'ominous Latin [sic] chanting', and has used it in a variety of languages:?
Ominous Latin Chanting: Chanting in?Anglo-Saxon,?Armenian,?Gaelic, Greek,?Italian,?Latin?several?times,?Samoan,?Sanskrit,?Sinhalese, and?Icelandic.
Go to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary for links to each of those languages in action.
That does not explain the non-musical Sanskrit/Indic elements in the show, but given that there is copious Greek mythology present as well, I suppose maybe the unifying theme here is 'ancient' (and thus 'mysterious' etc), rather than a specific culture? After all, the series as a whole is meant to be taking place in an ancient past.?
(And then of course there are the various Mormon bits inherited from the original series, which one could argue are 'ancient' or at the very least 'old' by US cultural standards.)?
Antonia
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 18:47, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

P.S. Vasudha Narayanan's following article is also of great interest in regard to the larger question of Hindu influence on Western popular culture, as of course is Philip Goldberg's American Veda:?Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy


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Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:43:18 PM EDT, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has come up on this list!
Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the opening credits of the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica?(a series which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness).? The word pracoday?t?is mispronounced as prakoday?t, presumably because the creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic languages.? But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.
The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of monotheism.? The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic faiths.
Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in popular sci-fi series.? My own humble contributions to this discourse are as follows:
A piece on Hindu themes in Star Wars.? It's the second part of a two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George Harrison and the Beatles:
Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two


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A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.' ?I have updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in various speaking venues:
The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long


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I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the Vedanta Society of New York.? He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.
A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in my forthcoming?Hinduism?in America: A Convergence of Worlds, due to be published later this year by Bloomsbury.
Though Game of Thrones?is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a piece on Hindu themes in Game of Thrones?that is also going to be in a forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in Game of Thrones.
May the Force be with you!
Jeff
Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA
https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong
Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books
"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
 

    On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 There is this book:
The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q?

,.........? ? ........ .......... .....
Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic movie.?It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about?maya?? that if we can cut through?the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of things.?Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda described,?who can defy the laws of normal reality.???


How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism??
.......? ? ?.......... ............
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Michael,
There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to?make me think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian, and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be most grateful!
(And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather than sv?h?.)?
All the best,? ? ?Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear All,We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:?(https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)
Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?: ?"o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).? Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
Cheers!Michael

Michael Witzel
Wales Prof. of Sanskrit,?Dept. of South Asian?Studies, 1 Bow Street,?Cambridge, MA 02138,?USA
ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
witzel at fas.harvard.edu
www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm


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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Mon Apr  6 06:39:48 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 08:39:48 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzevzczefPqL+G=YTX_Rp1_p19afxGAHvcRiQWWYgMmFqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39cb72d254793aaf9767e48c60088c3b@univie.ac.at>

?bung macht den Meister - so let my try again:

?????????????????????? ? ?????????? ?
???? ?????????? ????? ??? ?? ???????????? ?

Did Rama the wise send none other than a monkey to Lanka
in order to avoid transmission of a human disease?

(Please note that I do not consider myself a pa??it or a kavi but rather 
a humble student of Sanskrit language and literature. I very much 
appreciate your patience with my sometimes faulty compositions as well 
as your improvements and the interesting discussions triggered by them.)


Christian Ferstl


Am 05.04.2020 15:34, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ???????????????
> ?????????????? ?????: ?
> 
> ???????? ? ?????? ?????
> ????? ???? ??? ??
> 
> Scared of the danger of the Coronavirus, overcome by worry, Ravana
> freed Sita and quickly took refuge with Lord Rama.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From harshadehejia at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  6 07:11:39 2020
From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 07:11:39 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lines to an Advaitin
Message-ID: <DM6PR19MB252483A7BE5DCD51E14F2E81A0C20@DM6PR19MB2524.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Friends:

Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.
I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.

Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavada
Let me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.

Kind regards,

Harsha
Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia


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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 07:37:12 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 09:37:12 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <39cb72d254793aaf9767e48c60088c3b@univie.ac.at>
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On this occasion, let me cite a few examples for *padma* as used in the
masculine gender by outstanding classical Kavis in addition to those
already quoted by Dr. Steiner:



In his *Har?acarita* (Ed. Kane, 1918), for instance, B??a seems to use
exclusively the masculine gender for *padma* (no trace of usage in the
neuter). This is all the more remarkable as B??a writes in prose. One can
therefore not invoke the metre as a possible cause:



tac chrutv? b??asya *catv?ra?* pit?mahamukha*padm?* iva [?]

(HC III p. 39,29)



atha [?] dvijavarasvecch?g?h?tako?o n?bhi*padma* iva [?]

(HC IV, p. 56,6)



??li?y?sya sakaladurmadamah?p?lamaulim?l?l?litau p?da*padm?v* [?]

(HC V, p. 86,24)



lilekha ma?iku??imam itara? p?da*padma?*

(HC VI, p. 96,23)



Moreover,

?r?har?a (*Nai?adhacarita*):

[?] sa cen mukham *aya? padma?* priye t?vakam [22.140]





Or, Ma?khakavi (*?r?ka??hacarita*):

[?] *padma? sa* va? padmabhuva? pun?tu ? *ya?* [?] ? 1.22. ?

Explanation by Kavi Jonar?ja: *ya? padma *[?] *sa padmo* va? pun?tu


Their usage is fully in line with the grammatical genders of padma (m., n.)
as given in the major Sanskrit dictionaries (pw, MW, Apte).



It is however a bit unfortunate that the Rigveda is unaware of the word
*padma*, which has become so common in later literature. We have no idea
what gender the rigvedic kavis would have assigned to padma, had it been
part of their vocabulary and poetic imagination.


Regards,

WS


Am Mo., 6. Apr. 2020 um 08:40 Uhr schrieb Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> ?bung macht den Meister - so let my try again:
>
> ?????????????????????? ? ?????????? ?
> ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ?? ???????????? ?
>
> Did Rama the wise send none other than a monkey to Lanka
> in order to avoid transmission of a human disease?
>
> (Please note that I do not consider myself a pa??it or a kavi but rather
> a humble student of Sanskrit language and literature. I very much
> appreciate your patience with my sometimes faulty compositions as well
> as your improvements and the interesting discussions triggered by them.)
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 05.04.2020 15:34, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ???????????????
> > ?????????????? ?????: ?
> >
> > ???????? ? ?????? ?????
> > ????? ???? ??? ??
> >
> > Scared of the danger of the Coronavirus, overcome by worry, Ravana
> > freed Sita and quickly took refuge with Lord Rama.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Mon Apr  6 08:43:26 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 10:43:26 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <39cb72d254793aaf9767e48c60088c3b@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <f519b4ed22e7c9f473119d7b81928bc9@univie.ac.at>

Please accept this metrically more sound version of my last verse:

????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ?
???? ?????????? ????? ??? ?? ???????????? ?

I am indepted to Dr. Roland Steiner for reminding me of Pi?gala's rule 
na pratham?t snau according to which two light syllables are not allowed 
after the very first one in a p?da.


Christian Ferstl


Am 06.04.2020 08:39, schrieb Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY:
> ?bung macht den Meister - so let my try again:
> 
> ?????????????????????? ? ?????????? ?
> ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ?? ???????????? ?
> 
> Did Rama the wise send none other than a monkey to Lanka
> in order to avoid transmission of a human disease?
> 
> (Please note that I do not consider myself a pa??it or a kavi but
> rather a humble student of Sanskrit language and literature. I very
> much appreciate your patience with my sometimes faulty compositions as
> well as your improvements and the interesting discussions triggered by
> them.)
> 
> 
> Christian Ferstl
> 
> 
> Am 05.04.2020 15:34, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>> 
>> ???????????????
>> ?????????????? ?????: ?
>> 
>> ???????? ? ?????? ?????
>> ????? ???? ??? ??
>> 
>> Scared of the danger of the Coronavirus, overcome by worry, Ravana
>> freed Sita and quickly took refuge with Lord Rama.
>> 
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> 
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>> committee)
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From a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr  Mon Apr  6 08:59:53 2020
From: a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr (a.murugaiyan)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 10:59:53 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF Request
Message-ID: <5da332bc-c7ca-b3db-f1e4-554fcceb1c9f@wanadoo.fr>

Dear list members,

Firstly, I wish you all to stay safe and healthy.

I would be very grateful if any of you could kindly provide me with a 
PDF of volumes 2 and 7 of "T.V. Mahalingam, A topographical list of 
Inscriptions in the Tamil Nadu and Kerala States, ICHR, New Delhi."

Thanks in advance and best regards.
A. Murugaiyan



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From zysk at hum.ku.dk  Mon Apr  6 09:05:03 2020
From: zysk at hum.ku.dk (Kenneth Gregory Zysk)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 09:05:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf Requested
Message-ID: <363679393C2EB44480CDA76B2F23C9F70104C346DE@P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain>

Dear List,
I should appreciate it if someone could send me offlist a pdf of the following:

Kapadia, H.R., "The Jaina Records about Birds," Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, 43 (1962): 59-107; and 45 (1964): 105-141.

Many thanks.
Best,
Ken


Kenneth Zysk, PhD, DPhil
Emeritus Professor of Indology
Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
University of Copenhagen
Karen Blixens Plads 8, Bygn. 10,
DK-2300 Copenhagen S    Denmark
Ph:  +45 3532 8951                          Email: zysk at hum.ku.dk<mailto:zysk at hum.ku.dk>



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From zysk at hum.ku.dk  Mon Apr  6 12:00:20 2020
From: zysk at hum.ku.dk (Kenneth Gregory Zysk)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 12:00:20 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Thanks
Message-ID: <363679393C2EB44480CDA76B2F23C9F70104C3477B@P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain>

Thanks to those who have sent me the article I sought.
Best,
Ken

Kenneth Zysk, PhD, DPhil
Emeritus Professor of Indology
Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
University of Copenhagen
Karen Blixens Plads 8, Bygn. 10,
DK-2300 Copenhagen S    Denmark
Ph:  +45 3532 8951                          Email: zysk at hum.ku.dk<mailto:zysk at hum.ku.dk>



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From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de  Mon Apr  6 12:02:06 2020
From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 20:02:06 +0800
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_a_wish_for_today,_on_Mah=C4=81v=C4=ABra_Jayant=C4=AB_2020?=
Message-ID: <e1f245492f54094a4331b03b992c2b96@uni-muenchen.de>

Yath? ?r?m?n Mah?v?ro jaya??lo jine?vara?
tath? jayatu rogasth? bh?mir e?? samagrata?.

??? ??????????????? ?????? ??????????
??? ???? ??????? ????????? ????????

??? RZ

-- 
Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos
Institute of Indology and Tibetology
Department of Asian Studies
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU)
Germany





From jemhouben at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 12:08:50 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 14:08:50 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09a_wish_for_today,_on_Mah=C4=81v=C4=ABra_Jayant=C4=AB_2020?=
In-Reply-To: <e1f245492f54094a4331b03b992c2b96@uni-muenchen.de>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoCAr0akMX_ajmLba7967cKB5aFqqrDaC-ADBwtCFV+pCw@mail.gmail.com>

????????? !

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 14:02, Robert Zydenbos via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Yath? ?r?m?n Mah?v?ro jaya??lo jine?vara?
> tath? jayatu rogasth? bh?mir e?? samagrata?.
>
> ??? ??????????????? ?????? ??????????
> ??? ???? ??????? ????????? ????????
>
> ??? RZ
>
> --
> Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos
> Institute of Indology and Tibetology
> Department of Asian Studies
> Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU)
> Germany
>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Apr  6 13:05:19 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 06:05:19 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <f519b4ed22e7c9f473119d7b81928bc9@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcNFRjd2Hna51fbqKRKKQZ0babEuHDsjePYKMvMrbEbWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Beautiful verse, Christian.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:43 AM Christian Ferstl <
christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:

> Please accept this metrically more sound version of my last verse:
>
> ????????????????????????? ? ?????????? ?
> ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ?? ???????????? ?
>
> I am indepted to Dr. Roland Steiner for reminding me of Pi?gala's rule
> na pratham?t snau according to which two light syllables are not allowed
> after the very first one in a p?da.
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 06.04.2020 08:39, schrieb Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY:
> > ?bung macht den Meister - so let my try again:
> >
> > ?????????????????????? ? ?????????? ?
> > ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ?? ???????????? ?
> >
> > Did Rama the wise send none other than a monkey to Lanka
> > in order to avoid transmission of a human disease?
> >
> > (Please note that I do not consider myself a pa??it or a kavi but
> > rather a humble student of Sanskrit language and literature. I very
> > much appreciate your patience with my sometimes faulty compositions as
> > well as your improvements and the interesting discussions triggered by
> > them.)
> >
> >
> > Christian Ferstl
> >
> >
> > Am 05.04.2020 15:34, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> >> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >>
> >> ???????????????
> >> ?????????????? ?????: ?
> >>
> >> ???????? ? ?????? ?????
> >> ????? ???? ??? ??
> >>
> >> Scared of the danger of the Coronavirus, overcome by worry, Ravana
> >> freed Sita and quickly took refuge with Lord Rama.
> >>
> >> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>
> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> >> committee)
> >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> >> or unsubscribe)
> >
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Apr  6 13:18:33 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 06:18:33 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcdhpu8vCJCZN+Gv01RbkUSFGmz9VHn6KJobBRULOo44w@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

??????? ??????? ???????????? ??????: ??
????? ???????????????????? ????? ???? ??

Scared of the danger and wishing to go far away from the Coronavirus,
Ravana, protected by Rama, happily went to Ayodhya.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Apr  6 13:29:30 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 06:29:30 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lines to an Advaitin
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR19MB252483A7BE5DCD51E14F2E81A0C20@DM6PR19MB2524.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdi0HxHLuejVSGU+4UHV9ygEa3b5S8gGJPE8=NrGEM8Vw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Harsha,

     Thank you for your appreciation of my Krishna poems.  Here is a verse
in reference to your English verse:

?????? ???????????? ???? ???? ???????? ?
?? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????????????????? ??

I devote to Krishna, the magician, whose magic dancing around Gokula
provides joy.  He is beyond the conceptions of duality and non-duality.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:12 AM Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Friends:
>
> Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite
> confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.
> I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the
> majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms
> of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.
>
> Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavada
> Let me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Harsha
> Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia
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From whitakjl at wfu.edu  Mon Apr  6 14:57:40 2020
From: whitakjl at wfu.edu (Jarrod Whitaker)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 10:57:40 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lommel Festgabe PDF
In-Reply-To: <dcf390b8-55ec-89f7-f8cc-f8f1e4525ba5@wfu.edu>
Message-ID: <a78815dc-b626-b4c9-c93b-8178f29c0846@wfu.edu>

Does anyone have a pdf of the following book?

Festgabe fu?r Herman Lommel: zur Vollendung seines 75. Lebensjahres. 
Wiesbaden: Harrassowit, 1960.

Cheers

Jarrod

-- 

Jarrod Whitaker, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department for the Study of Religions.

Wake Forest University
1834 Wake Forest Rd
Winston-Salem, NC, 27106
whitakjl at wfu.edu
p 336.758.4162






From a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr  Mon Apr  6 15:53:00 2020
From: a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr (a.murugaiyan)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 17:53:00 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Thanks
Message-ID: <5ad58c9f-0414-934f-4164-cd8fe1e08a10@wanadoo.fr>

I am thankful to Emmanuel Francis for providing me with the PDFs I was 
looking for.
Best regards,

A. Murugaiyan






From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 16:55:31 2020
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 22:25:31 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Shakespeare in Sanskrit Article by V Raghavan PDF
Message-ID: <CAODNnZiRh0NhGv8x1HRFZxyUeNyKLaNnoYNV0ae9nC+bfCpAig@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all
Could any one please help me by sending the article
Shakespeare in Sanskrit
V. Raghavan
Indian Literature
Vol. 7, No. 1 (1964), pp. 109-114

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From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Mon Apr  6 17:04:41 2020
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 17:04:41 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_G=C4=81yatr=C4=AB_and_Scifi?=
In-Reply-To: <9FBB5C68-30A0-4F62-9C5D-A3CEE48367CE@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB03045F9EBAF2374F8C00761C8EC20@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Strictly speaking, as Antonia pointed out already, yuddha and yudh mean both "battle" and not "war", unless we'd like to take them as a synecdoche, so I don't think they apply in the case of the scene in Arrival. When I watched it, my first impression of the scene in which the linguist Louise Banks says that gavisti means desire for cows was that she was trying to make precisely the point that Antonia made in her tweet. I don't think the meaning of the whole scene is that if you know the Sanskrit word for war you are a better linguist, it is more about how you should think about language. On the other hand, I might be reading too much into it.

Sincerely yours,

Simon Moon



________________________________
From: Robert Goldman <rpg at berkeley.edu>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 11:21 PM
To: Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk>
Cc: Jeffery Long <dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com>; Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] G?yatr? and Scifi

Right on Antonia. Once could come up with a dozen or more words in Sanskrit for  war. battle etc.
Dr. R. P.  Goldman
Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South and Southeast Asian Studies
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk<mailto:antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:

That scene from Arrival (and much of Arrival) got my goat from a linguistic perspective, and given how many people were talking about it back then, I tweeted the attached as an attempted Public Service Announcement. (Feel free to share, should the need ever arise!)

?Antonia

For anyone on gmail who also doesn't receive attachments, here's the text:
The Sanskrit Word for ?War?
If you watched the recent science-fiction movie Arrival, you may remember the question asked to test a linguist?s usefulness for a military enterprise: ?What is the Sanskrit word for ?war??? The answer provided: ?A desire for cows?. Is it? Well ? yes and no. Sanskrit is a literary language. Literature tries to say what it says in ways that are interesting, appealing, aesthetically pleasing. If a text about a war were to only ever use the word ?war? (and not also, say, armed conflict, battle, clash, bloodshed, strife, misery, excitement), it would soon get boring. Sanskrit literature, furthermore, takes the use of alternative expressions even further than other literary traditions. War is called ?a coming together of chariots?, ?a stirring?, is evoked by referring to ?the battle  call?, ?the battle prize?, ?excitement? and, yes, in the poetic language of the Rigveda, the word gav-i??i- ?cow-desire? is used to mean ?desire? in general, a ?desire for fighting?, and, finally, ?fighting? in general. ? So, is ?a desire for cows? the Sanskrit word for war? More or less to the extent that ?shock and awe? is ?the English word for ?war??.

(The Sanskrit word that means ?battle? and nothing else is yuddham. Whether knowing an ancient word for ?battle? makes you more useful to the military is a question we will leave undiscussed here!)




On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 20:56, Robert Goldman via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
There is, of course Roger Zelazny?s 1967 Scifi novel, Lord of Light and, perhaps tangentially, there is the 2016 sci-fi film ?Arrival?in which  the actress Amy Adams plays an expert linguist and translator, Louise, who, because of her earlier assistance to the military with a translation from Farsi, is recruited by an army colonel to decipher the language of some extra-terrestrial visitors. When asked about other experts who might help, she says of a colleague at Berkeley, ?Ask him the Sanskrit word for ?war,? and its translation.? When the colonel reappears, he says the other linguist said ?gavisti? means ?an argument,? whereas Louise translates the same word as ?a desire for more cows.?

Bes to all. Be safe Stay well.

Dr. R. P.  Goldman
Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South and Southeast Asian Studies
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear Antonia,

Yes, I think you are correct.  The G?yatr? mantra and other features of the show are no doubt meant to create an "atmosphere" as much as anything, and to build up to the idea that several ancient cultures of earth could plausibly have been descended from the culture of the humans who fled the Cylons.  (I think I just dropped a huge spoiler!  But the show is absolutely worth viewing to see how all of its various themes and character arcs play out.)  And yes, it is definitely significant that Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original series, was Mormon, and consciously included aspects of Mormon thought in it.  (The important planet Kobol, for example, is a clear anagram for the planet Kolob described in a Mormon text called the Book of Abraham.)  The re-envisioned Galactica series is much less tied to Mormonism than Larson's original, but certainly contains nods to it.

As I argue in my piece on Hinduism and Star Wars, the creators of most of these successful sci-fi series are typically not trying, consciously, to communicate specific religious themes so much as they are trying to tell an interesting and entertaining story, with at least as many hints of a deeper cultural background as needed to evoke what Tolkien called the "inner consistency of reality."

Cheers,
Jeff

Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown College
Elizabethtown, PA

https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong

Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
Lexington Books

"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)

"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)



On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 01:30:36 PM EDT, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk<mailto:antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:


Michael's post made me google around a little bit, and the answer to how we got the g?yatr? mantra in the credits may lie not with the creator of the show, but with the composer of the score, Bear McCreary. It seems that he likes the trope of 'ominous Latin [sic] chanting', and has used it in a variety of languages:

Ominous Latin Chanting<https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OminousLatinChanting>: Chanting in Anglo-Saxon[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjPAx5-vD_A>, Armenian[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9CqxkuSldY>, Gaelic[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcMPp7TNo4>, Greek, Italian[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxric37OyA>, Latin[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDs6yZ4dbs> several[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QJObI711U> times[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMzkuKAIoL4>, Samoan[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIvppNWZUtc>, Sanskrit[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3YVq0Hvd8k>, Sinhalese[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eON5O5MRz5M>, and Icelandic[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoT2MgT2LVI>.

Go to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary for links to each of those languages in action.

That does not explain the non-musical Sanskrit/Indic elements in the show, but given that there is copious Greek mythology present as well, I suppose maybe the unifying theme here is 'ancient' (and thus 'mysterious' etc), rather than a specific culture? After all, the series as a whole is meant to be taking place in an ancient past.

(And then of course there are the various Mormon bits inherited from the original series, which one could argue are 'ancient' or at the very least 'old' by US cultural standards.)

Antonia

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 18:47, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
P.S. Vasudha Narayanan's following article is also of great interest in regard to the larger question of Hindu influence on Western popular culture, as of course is Philip Goldberg's American Veda:
Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy<https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>

<https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>
Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy

Vasudha Narayanan

The story of America?s relationship with Hinduism is long and complex.




Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown College
Elizabethtown, PA

https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong

Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
Lexington Books

"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)

"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)



On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:43:18 PM EDT, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:


I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has come up on this list!

Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the opening credits of the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica (a series which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness).  The word pracoday?t is mispronounced as prakoday?t, presumably because the creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic languages.  But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.

The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of monotheism.  The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic faiths.

Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in popular sci-fi series.  My own humble contributions to this discourse are as follows:

A piece on Hindu themes in Star Wars.  It's the second part of a two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George Harrison and the Beatles:

Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two<https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>

<https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>
Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two
By Jeffrey D. Long Introduction In the first part of this two-part series on the ?two Georges??Harrison and Luca...


A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.'  I have updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in various speaking venues:

The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>
[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/youtube.png]
The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Guest Speaker Dr. Jeffery D. Long speaks on ?The Yoga of Yoda? at the Vedanta Society of New York on May 28, 201...
I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the Vedanta Society of New York.  He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.

A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in my forthcoming Hinduism in America: A Convergence of Worlds, due to be published later this year by Bloomsbury.

Though Game of Thrones is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a piece on Hindu themes in Game of Thrones that is also going to be in a forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in Game of Thrones.

May the Force be with you!

Jeff

Dr. Jeffery D. Long
Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
Elizabethtown College
Elizabethtown, PA

https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong

Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
Lexington Books

"One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)

"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)



On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:


There is this book:

The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Tradition https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q

,.........    ........ .......... .....

Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic movie.
It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about maya ? that if we can cut through
the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of things.
Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda described,
who can defy the laws of normal reality.?

How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism
.......     .......... ............

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Dear Michael,

There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to make me think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.

I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian, and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be most grateful!

(And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather than sv?h?.)

All the best,
     Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)

On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Dear All,
We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.

As it is the weekend, for your amusement:

The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:
 (https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica)

Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?:
"o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).  Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"

Cheers!
Michael


Michael Witzel
Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA
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Sanskrit is often seen as a self-referential tradition that looks only to itself, but often it is forgotten that almost from its Paninean beginnings, Sanskrit (as opposed to Vedic Sanskrit) has been in symbiosis with other languages that were spoken natively by the people who used it. Sanskrit words were borrowed into other languages as tadbhavas or the like, and in common speech, they acquired connotations and even meanings that they do not have in Sanskrit (k?a?i- means ?invite? in Malayalam). When people speaking those languages wrote in Sanskrit, they no doubt transferred the acquired connotations back into Sanskrit, and in this way Sanskrit, held rigid by the rules of the grammarians, still acquired new connotations and even meanings. At the same time, in spite of this, Sanskrit words for the most part did not have the breadth of connotation and emotion that words of a spoken language have. Years ago, Ingalls pointed out that Sanskrit, unlike natural languages, has perfect synonyms. Still, I think it is wrong to think of Sanskrit as self-referential and unchanging. I remember years ago attending a bharatan??ya performance which the dancer began with a rather stiff Sanskrit ?loka, followed by a padam by the great Telugu writer Kshatrayya in which a woman, speaking to her lover, says, ?v?stavam??? ?is it true?? and the whole sequence drips with emotion, catalyzed by that one word. ?V?stavam? is used in South Indian languages, and it has a plethora of connotations. If a Telugu writes a Sanskrit verse and uses that word, he/she will certainly bring its Telugu connotations into Sanskrit. In any event, I think Sanskrit is a language that has constantly changed and evolved, with its evolution catalyzed by its symbiosis with other languages. Even in Sanskrit, the meanings of words change. George Hart


> On Apr 6, 2020, at 1:04 PM, Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Strictly speaking, as Antonia pointed out already, yuddha and yudh mean both "battle" and not "war", unless we'd like to take them as a synecdoche, so I don't think they apply in the case of the scene in Arrival. When I watched it, my first impression of the scene in which the linguist Louise Banks says that gavisti means desire for cows was that she was trying to make precisely the point that Antonia made in her tweet. I don't think the meaning of the whole scene is that if you know the Sanskrit word for war you are a better linguist, it is more about how you should think about language. On the other hand, I might be reading too much into it.
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> Simon Moon
> 
> 
> 
> From: Robert Goldman <rpg at berkeley.edu <mailto:rpg at berkeley.edu>>
> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 11:21 PM
> To: Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk <mailto:antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk>>
> Cc: Jeffery Long <dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com <mailto:dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com>>; Indology <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] G?yatr? and Scifi
>  
> Right on Antonia. Once could come up with a dozen or more words in Sanskrit for  war. battle etc.
> Dr. R. P.  Goldman
> Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South and Southeast Asian Studies
> Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
> The University of California at Berkeley
> Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
> Tel: 510-642-4089
> Fax: 510-642-2409
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk <mailto:antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> That scene from Arrival (and much of Arrival) got my goat from a linguistic perspective, and given how many people were talking about it back then, I tweeted the attached as an attempted Public Service Announcement. (Feel free to share, should the need ever arise!)
>> 
>> ?Antonia
>> 
>> For anyone on gmail who also doesn't receive attachments, here's the text:
>> The Sanskrit Word for ?War?
>> If you watched the recent science-fiction movie Arrival, you may remember the question asked to test a linguist?s usefulness for a military enterprise: ?What is the Sanskrit word for ?war??? The answer provided: ?A desire for cows?. Is it? Well ? yes and no. Sanskrit is a literary language. Literature tries to say what it says in ways that are interesting, appealing, aesthetically pleasing. If a text about a war were to only ever use the word ?war? (and not also, say, armed conflict, battle, clash, bloodshed, strife, misery, excitement), it would soon get boring. Sanskrit literature, furthermore, takes the use of alternative expressions even further than other literary traditions. War is called ?a coming together of chariots?, ?a stirring?, is evoked by referring to ?the battle  call?, ?the battle prize?, ?excitement? and, yes, in the poetic language of the Rigveda, the word gav-i??i- ?cow-desire? is used to mean ?desire? in general, a ?desire for fighting?, and, finally, ?fighting? in general. ? So, is ?a desire for cows? the Sanskrit word for war? More or less to the extent that ?shock and awe? is ?the English word for ?war??.
>> 
>> (The Sanskrit word that means ?battle? and nothing else is yuddham. Whether knowing an ancient word for ?battle? makes you more useful to the military is a question we will leave undiscussed here!)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 20:56, Robert Goldman via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> There is, of course Roger Zelazny?s 1967 Scifi novel, Lord of Light and, perhaps tangentially, there is the 2016 sci-fi film ?Arrival?in which  the actress Amy Adams plays an expert linguist and translator, Louise, who, because of her earlier assistance to the military with a translation from Farsi, is recruited by an army colonel to decipher the language of some extra-terrestrial visitors. When asked about other experts who might help, she says of a colleague at Berkeley, ?Ask him the Sanskrit word for ?war,? and its translation.? When the colonel reappears, he says the other linguist said ?gavisti? means ?an argument,? whereas Louise translates the same word as ?a desire for more cows.?
>> 
>> Bes to all. Be safe Stay well. 
>> Dr. R. P.  Goldman
>> Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South and Southeast Asian Studies
>> Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
>> The University of California at Berkeley
>> Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
>> Tel: 510-642-4089
>> Fax: 510-642-2409
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Antonia,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I think you are correct.  The G?yatr? mantra and other features of the show are no doubt meant to create an "atmosphere" as much as anything, and to build up to the idea that several ancient cultures of earth could plausibly have been descended from the culture of the humans who fled the Cylons.  (I think I just dropped a huge spoiler!  But the show is absolutely worth viewing to see how all of its various themes and character arcs play out.)  And yes, it is definitely significant that Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original series, was Mormon, and consciously included aspects of Mormon thought in it.  (The important planet Kobol, for example, is a clear anagram for the planet Kolob described in a Mormon text called the Book of Abraham.)  The re-envisioned Galactica series is much less tied to Mormonism than Larson's original, but certainly contains nods to it.
>>> 
>>> As I argue in my piece on Hinduism and Star Wars, the creators of most of these successful sci-fi series are typically not trying, consciously, to communicate specific religious themes so much as they are trying to tell an interesting and entertaining story, with at least as many hints of a deeper cultural background as needed to evoke what Tolkien called the "inner consistency of reality."
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>>> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
>>> Elizabethtown College
>>> Elizabethtown, PA
>>> 
>>> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
>>> 
>>> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
>>> Lexington Books
>>> 
>>> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
>>> 
>>> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 01:30:36 PM EDT, Antonia Ruppel <antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk <mailto:antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael's post made me google around a little bit, and the answer to how we got the g?yatr? mantra in the credits may lie not with the creator of the show, but with the composer of the score, Bear McCreary. It seems that he likes the trope of 'ominous Latin [sic] chanting', and has used it in a variety of languages: 
>>> 
>>> Ominous Latin Chanting <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OminousLatinChanting>: Chanting in Anglo-Saxon <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjPAx5-vD_A>, Armenian <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9CqxkuSldY>, Gaelic <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcMPp7TNo4>, Greek, Italian <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxric37OyA>, Latin <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDs6yZ4dbs> several <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3QJObI711U> times <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMzkuKAIoL4>, Samoan <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIvppNWZUtc>, Sanskrit <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3YVq0Hvd8k>, Sinhalese <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eON5O5MRz5M>, and Icelandic <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoT2MgT2LVI>.
>>> 
>>> Go to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/BearMcCreary> for links to each of those languages in action.
>>> 
>>> That does not explain the non-musical Sanskrit/Indic elements in the show, but given that there is copious Greek mythology present as well, I suppose maybe the unifying theme here is 'ancient' (and thus 'mysterious' etc), rather than a specific culture? After all, the series as a whole is meant to be taking place in an ancient past. 
>>> 
>>> (And then of course there are the various Mormon bits inherited from the original series, which one could argue are 'ancient' or at the very least 'old' by US cultural standards.) 
>>> 
>>> Antonia
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 18:47, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> P.S. Vasudha Narayanan's following article is also of great interest in regard to the larger question of Hindu influence on Western popular culture, as of course is Philip Goldberg's American Veda: 
>>> Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy <https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>
>>> 
>>> Americans may not know it, but they?ve long been embracing Hindu philosophy
>>> Vasudha Narayanan
>>> The story of America?s relationship with Hinduism is long and complex.
>>>  <https://qz.com/india/1199543/americas-long-and-complex-relationship-with-hinduism/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>>> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
>>> Elizabethtown College
>>> Elizabethtown, PA
>>> 
>>> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
>>> 
>>> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
>>> Lexington Books
>>> 
>>> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
>>> 
>>> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:43:18 PM EDT, Jeffery Long via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am delighted that the topic of science-fiction, my favorite genre, has come up on this list!
>>> 
>>> Michael, the G?yatr? mantra, or a version of it, is indeed used in the opening credits of the re-envisioned Battlestar Galactica (a series which is a huge improvement on the original, on which I grew up in the seventies, but for which I still have a sentimental fondness).  The word pracoday?t is mispronounced as prakoday?t, presumably because the creators of the series were not aware of how the unaspirated 'c' is pronounced in the standard international transliteration system for Indic languages.  But it's clearly an attempt to sing the G?yatr? mantra.
>>> 
>>> The series is rich with fascinating themes, including a problematizing of monotheism.  The mainstream human culture depicted in the series has multiple deities, and other interesting resonances with non-Abrahamic faiths.
>>> 
>>> Though it diverges from the topic fo the G?yatr? mantra, others have posted on relations between aspects of Hindu thought and ideas found in popular sci-fi series.  My own humble contributions to this discourse are as follows:
>>> 
>>> A piece on Hindu themes in Star Wars.  It's the second part of a two-part series, the first being on Hindu themes in the music of George Harrison and the Beatles:
>>> 
>>> Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two <https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>
>>> 
>>> Hindu Themes in Western Popular Culture: A Tale of Two Georges, Part Two
>>> By Jeffrey D. Long Introduction In the first part of this two-part series on the ?two Georges??Harrison and Luca...
>>>  <https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2018/04/09/hindu-themes-in-western-popular-culture-a-tale-of-two-georges-part-two/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A live early draft of the previous article, presented at the Vedanta Society of New York in May, 2017, and called 'The Yoga of Yoda.'  I have updated and expanded both of these as I have given them repeatedly in various speaking venues:
>>> 
>>> The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>
>>> 
>>> 	
>>> The Yoga of Yoda by Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>>> Guest Speaker Dr. Jeffery D. Long speaks on ?The Yoga of Yoda? at the Vedanta Society of New York on May 28, 201...
>>>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5mp_yVe1E>
>>> I owe the title, 'The Yoga of Yoda,' to Swami Sarvapriyananda, of the Vedanta Society of New York.  He knew this was a favorite topic of mine and was the person who first encouraged me to speak and write about it.
>>> 
>>> A further developed series of reflections on this topic are going to be in my forthcoming Hinduism in America: A Convergence of Worlds, due to be published later this year by Bloomsbury.
>>> 
>>> Though Game of Thrones is technically not sci-fi, but fantasy, I have a piece on Hindu themes in Game of Thrones that is also going to be in a forthcoming edited volume by Matthew Brake on religion in Game of Thrones.
>>> 
>>> May the Force be with you!
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>>> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
>>> Elizabethtown College
>>> Elizabethtown, PA
>>> 
>>> https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong <https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong>
>>> 
>>> Series Editor, Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and Philosophical
>>> Lexington Books
>>> 
>>> "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life."  (Holy Mother Sarada Devi)
>>> 
>>> "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 07:10:21 AM EDT, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There is this book:
>>> 
>>> The Jedi in the Lotus: "Star Wars" and the Hindu Traditionhttps://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q <https://www.amazon.in/dp/1907166114/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_wMrIEb1A00P8Q> 
>>> 
>>> ,.........    ........ .......... .....
>>> 
>>> Look at the first Matrix movie,? says producer Peter Rader. ?It?s a yogic movie. 
>>> It says that this world is an illusion. It?s about maya ? that if we can cut through 
>>> the illusions and connect with something larger we can do all sorts of things. 
>>> Neo achieves the abilities of the advanced yogis [Paramahansa] Yogananda described, 
>>> who can defy the laws of normal reality.?  
>>> 
>>> How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism <https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism>  
>>> .......     .......... ............
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:44 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> Dear Michael,
>>> 
>>> There are various bits of Sanskrit throughout Galactica - at the end of the mini-series, Elosha chants the 'asato m? sadgamaya' (helpfully subtitled as 'priestess chanting in foreign language':-)); the surname of Roslin's aid Billy is Keikeya (close enough to Kaikeya to make me think:-)); Roslin's medicine is kamala extract - and so on.
>>> 
>>> I've long been wondering how this made it into the series - so far to no avail. Ron Moore, the creator of this Galactica remake, was a Cornellian, and Cornell has long had a fairly solid Sanskrit tradition - but beyond that I have no idea. If anyone on the List can contribute to this, I'd be most grateful!
>>> 
>>> (And for what it's worth, I hear the intro as sva?, over two notes, rather than sv?h?.) 
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>>      Antonia (outside the US, hence syfy's generosity does not reach me:-(!)
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 22:01, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> We have been talking about the G?yatr? a lot.
>>> 
>>> As it is the weekend, for your amusement:
>>> 
>>> The Scifi TV channel is streaming (free) all 50+ episodes of their old "Battleship Galactica" series now:
>>>  (https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica <https://www.syfy.com/battlestargalactica>)
>>> 
>>> Did anyone notice that the theme song of each episode is the G?yatr?:  
>>> "o? bh?r bhuva? sv?h?(!).  Tat savitur ? pracoday?t"
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael Witzel
>>> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA
>>> ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
>>> witzel at fas.harvard.edu <mailto:witzel at fas.harvard.edu>
>>> www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm <http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Dr Antonia Ruppel FRAS
>>> Author | The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit
>>> Lehrkraft f?r besondere Aufgaben | Institut f?r Indologie und Tibetologie
>>> LMU M?nchen
>>> Researcher 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax' | Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics
>>> Junior Research Fellow | Kellogg College 
>>> University of Oxford
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>> LMU M?nchen
>> Researcher 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax' | Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics
>> Junior Research Fellow | Kellogg College 
>> University of Oxford
>> 
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 18:23:22 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 20 20:23:22 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (still) no distraction from the coronavirus...
In-Reply-To: <175a5624-3397-1cf0-b9ff-d55186fcb545@univ-paris-diderot.fr>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoBCOfbmdivMvtK0xuTVGD5xHTDMMj-qAoi49kdC-+40Qw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Matthew, Dear Jean-Luc,
thanks for the helpful replies.
As for the problem of: German "?"  (apparently also used to transcribe the
similar Tibetan phoneme) or French "u" or Dutch "uu" into Devanagari and
Indic scripts:
That French "Luc" had become "??????" [l?yk] is quite justified in the
light of the sth?na "place of articulation" of this phoneme unknown to
traditional Sanskrit phoneticians, in between "i" and "u".
When I teach "?" to those unfamiliar with it, I instruct to start saying
"ii", move the mouth slowly towards saying "uu", and "?" will appear
somewhere in between.
In this light the spelling in some modern Indian languages of Paris (as
pronounced in English!) is also understandable: the first vowel is heard as
a palatalized "a".
However, in "??????" [l?yk] the sequence is inverted, going from "uu" to an
"ii" sound (whereas one would like to have the two simultaneously).

As to be expected, students in Heidelberg have no difficulty in pronouncing
'Br?der' as 'Br?der' and 'Fl?gel' as 'Fl?gel':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qjiVm6Lzdc (within first 1min30sec)
Even in Maastricht these two words and the '?' phoneme in them are
pronounced correctly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9dLGDCdg3g (within first 1min30sec)
However, the "distinguished British baritone, Robert Bennington,"
pronounced the two words (that too, long before the Brexit) either out of
inability or to enhance the comic effect, respectively as Bruder and
Flugel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWGZdYNpaSo (within first 1min35sec)

Best,
Jan

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 11:44, Jean-Luc Chevillard <
jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:

> On 29/03/2020 10:20, Jan E.M. Houben wrote:
> > Dear Jean-Luc,
> > This is as fascinating as it is puzzling.
>
> Dear Jan,
>
> here is an example of avai-y-a?akkam, taken from the V?rac??iyam, with
> the (unpublished) expanded English rendering by the late scholar T.S.
> Gangadharan
>
> _?yu? ku?attava l?kita? pakka lakattiya?k??
> ??yum puva?ik kiyampiya ta??ami ???kuraikka
> n?yu mu?aiy? ve?i?karu ?a?ce??a n??vicumpil
> _?yum pa?akku mita?ke? kol?collu m?nti?aiy?.
>
>
> The Apology (Avai-y-a?akkam)
>
> If I am questioned: "Can you speak on that Tamil grammar, the work
> wrought for the benefit of them that live in the world where abides his
> immortal fame, the work which is so cooling to the mind, the work of
> Akattiya? who is endowed with clarified intellect, the work of the ch?la
> (pupil) of Aval?ka? whose cultural attainment is hailed by many
> discerning scholars", I will answer thus: "The fly too wings the
> spacious sky expanse where flies the Brahminy kite! In this is the
> fitness of things? What does the world say? (Does the world approve of
> this?) If this can pass muster, so can my work also."
> [reproduced VERBATIM, without trying to do further investigations]
>
> Concerning Zvelebil's Tolk?ppiyam translation, it appeared in small
> sections in the JTS but he does not seem to have finished it.
>
> Here is what is available (extracted from the bibliography in my Ph.D.
> thesis):
>
> Zvelebil Kamil, 1972-1975, ?Tolk?ppiyam E?uttatik?ram?, Journal of Tamil
> Studies, n? 1, p. 43-60 [chap. 1 ? 3]; n? 2, p. 13-29 [chap. 4 ? 6]; n?
> 3, p. 17-27 [chap. 7]; n? 4, p. 13-23 [chap. 8]; n? 5, p. 34-36 [chap. 9
> (14 sutras)]; n? 7, p. 62-66 [chap. 9 (42 sutras)]; n? 8, p. 8-11 [chap.
> 9 (21 sutras)], Madras, International Institute of Tamil Studies
> [traduction en anglais du premier livre du tolk.].
>
> Zvelebil Kamil, 1978-1985, ?Tolk?ppiyam Collatik?ram?, Journal of Tamil
> Studies, n? 13, p. 79-86 [chap. 1 (30 sutras)]; n? 20, p. 5-14 [chap. 1
> (31 sutras)]; n? 21, p. 9-19 [chap. 2]; n? 28, p. 67-80 [chap. 3],
> Madras, International Institute of Tamil Studies [traduction en anglais
> du second livre du Tolk. qui couvre pour l'instant les trois premiers
> chapitres]
>
> Best wishes to you too
>
> ????????
>
> -- Jean-Luc (spontaneously rendered in Tamil script as ???? ??????
> ????????? inside a "d?dicace" written on the title page of a book
> (?????????????, ???? ?????????????????) gifted to me on 25-6-2000 by my
> long-time Pondich?ry friend ?.??????????, whom I have known since july
> 1981; as you can see, French "Luc" becomes "??????" [l?yk]
>
> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
>
> https://tst.hypotheses.org/author/jlch
>
> https://www.google.de/maps/@53.49484,10.57238,19z
>
>
>
> > Have the translations of (parts of) the Tolk?ppiyam by K. Zvelebil ever
> > been published?
> > See his announcement of a translation in his /The Smile// Of Murugan/,
> > Leiden, 1973, p. 131.
> > Stay healthy and well in M?ssen,
> > Jan
> >
> > P.S.
> > for the children in M?ssen, during the corona-crisis:
> >
> > ??????????????? ??? ????????   ???? ? ?? ???????? ?
> >
> > This one I will translate, freely, into German:
> > "Was kann man machen in M?ssen?
> > Nur lachen, nicht k?ssen."
> >
> > P.P.S.
> > Did anyone ever try to transcribe into Sanskrit -- into Devanagari --
> > the German "?" or French "u" or Dutch "uu"?
> > Max M?ller sanskritized his name simply as ????? ???? according to my
> > teacher Prof. Henk Bodewitz in order to suggest to his Indian readers
> > that he can bring them liberation, but in that way M.M. skipped the
> > problem of the transcription of this phoneme that is absent in Sanskrit
> > and in Hindi and in most other Indian languages I know of (but a similar
> > sound is there in Tibetan, if I'm not mistaken).
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 09:51, Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY
> > <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> wrote:
> >
> >     ???????????? ????? ???? ????????
> >     ????? ???????? ????????? ???????? ?????
> >     ????? ????????????? ??? ???????????.
> >
> >     "/Avai-y-a?akku/ is, if well examined, one's modest expression to
> >     all to
> >     discriminate what is good in his unworthy sayings and take it"
> >
> >        (1936 translation of Tolk?ppiyam Poru?atik?ram 419 by P.S.
> >     Subrahmanya
> >     Sastri, as read on p.180 in the 2002 reprint by the Kuppuswami Sastri
> >     Research Institute, Chennai)
> >
> >     -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (confined in M?ssen, Schleswig-Holstein)
> >
> >     https://twitter.com/JLC1956
> >
> >     https://tst.hypotheses.org/author/jlch
> >
> >     https://www.google.de/maps/@53.49484,10.57238,19z
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 27/03/2020 19:28, rainer stuhrmann via INDOLOGY wrote:
> >      > "Practising Sanskrit as the Epitome of laughableness"
> >      >
> >      > Cheers
> >      >
> >      > Rainer
> >      >
> >      > _______________________________________________
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> >     managing
> >      > committee)
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> >      > unsubscribe)
> >
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
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> >     managing committee)
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > *Jan E.M. Houben*
> >
> > Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology
> >
> > /Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite/
> >
> > ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)
> >
> > /*Sciences historiques et philologiques */
> >
> > /johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <mailto:johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>/
> >
> > /https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben/
> >
>
>

-- 

*Jan E.M. Houben*

Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology

*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*

?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)

*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

*johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*

*https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
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From piotrbalcerowicz1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 23:55:28 2020
From: piotrbalcerowicz1 at gmail.com (Piotr Balcerowicz)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 20 01:55:28 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_T=C3=A4htinen_&_Non-violence_under_Covid-19_lockdown=3F?=
Message-ID: <CAFZpg=ZmGgBCX8m1e5YZ-WAvpsLmahS80B56__S9rtTYndUptg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

Does anyone happen to have an access to a scanned version of the following
publication:

*T?htinen, Unto (1964) **Non-violence as an ethical principle with special
reference to the views of Mahatma Gandhi**.* *Turku: Turun Yliopisto *
*Julkaisuja*?

I?ve been trying to get a copy, but in vain - at the time when all
libraries are closed. I?d greatly appreciate a copy.

Best regards

Piotr Balcerowicz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://balcerowicz.eu/


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr  7 13:14:41 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 20 06:14:41 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdrKjcUBWEyJAet-iXuDRcgXFuaLK2XxH6V94i-W4yq-w@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ??????: ?
????? ????????????? ???????? ????? ???????: ??

Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka, also
went to Ayodhya along with Rama.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From james.hartzell at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 14:39:48 2020
From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 20 16:39:48 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81lacakra_etexts=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekbJNLoiARs=qZzmJTMZPmdc-4v+fK2EbwUf-qcELZxUBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKA8X41CMNz0aki71cqaJDeo9qP33dz25gOt7c1V4VjXZLD-ag@mail.gmail.com>

Dear David

If you do make your input version of the *K?lacakra-tantra *available at
some point I would be grateful for a copy, particularly of Chapter 5.

Cheers
James

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:54 PM David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
>
> I was also hoping that someone might have one or both of these texts typed
> up. But after three days without a reply, I must assume not. Many years ago
> I input the *K?lacakra-tantra*. This was done in a long since
> discontinued program (Pagemaker 4 for Mac), before the days of unicode, in
> a custom diacritic font made by a friend. I was able to transfer the files
> into a Word document, move it to a PC, and do search-and-replace for the
> diacritic letters to make them unicode. However, it has never been
> proofread. This would require many days.
>
> Perhaps your specific interest is in the second chapter, which has a lot
> pertaining to medicine. If so, I could try to proofread that chapter and
> hopefully send it to you in maybe a week. If you need to check something
> sooner, I could try to search it for you.
>
> For the *K?lacakra-tantra* itself, the 1985 edition by Biswanath Banerjee
> is often better than the tantra as included in the *Vimalaprabh?*
> edition, with the caveat that Banerjee's edition has a lot of misprints.
> The first volume of the *Vimalaprabh?* edition, including chapters 1 and
> 2, was published in 1986. This volume was done before Banerjee's edition
> came out. So Jagannatha Upadhyaya adopted the text of the tantra from a
> paper manuscript (his ms. ka), a very good paper manuscript, but not as
> good as some of the old palm-leaf manuscripts used by Banerjee. By the way,
> a better scan of this *Vimalaprabh?* volume is here:
>
>
> http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/vimalaprabha_tika_vol_1_1986.pdf
>
> The other two volumes of the *Vimalaprabh?* edition seem sometimes to
> have adopted Banerjee's readings for the tantra, and sometimes not. There
> are quite a few errors in the edition of the *Vimalaprabh?* commentary
> itself. Leaving aside the ever-present typos, most of the errors resulted
> from adopting readings from the later paper manuscripts against those of
> the two old palm-leaf manuscripts they used, which latter were normally
> supported by the Tibetan translation. So if you see a variant reading in
> the footnotes saying that such and such is in mss. ga and ca, the two old
> palm-leaf manuscripts, that reading is almost always the correct one;
> especially when it is supported by the Tibetan translation, as it usually
> is (designated as bho). The same institute that published this edition of
> the *Vimalaprabh?* is preparing a new edition, which will likely correct
> these errors, since they now have more palm-leaf manuscripts to collate.
>
> Lastly, the first ever publication of the *K?lacakra-tantra*, by Raghu
> Vira and Lokesh Chandra in 1966, still has some value. Those two editors
> just wanted to make the text available, so they did not take the time to
> compare it with the Tibetan translation that they published along with it
> (as long ago noted by Helmut Hoffmann). Occasionally it has the correct
> reading when the other two editions do not (e.g., a?utanuja in 1.25c,
> rather than anutanuja). Sometimes all three editions are wrong (e.g. guror
> in 1.2d, rather than guro). I have posted only this edition of the tantra,
> because at the time, Banerjee's edition was still in print. It can be found
> here:
>
>
> http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/kalacakra_tantra_1966.pdf
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Reigle
> Colorado, U.S.A.
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:36 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone typed up some or all of the *K?lacakratantra* and/or the
>> *Vimalaprabh?* commentary?  Ideally from the
>>
>>  Up?dhy?ya, J.; Rinpoche, S.; Dvived?, V. & Bahulakar, S. S. (Eds.),  *?rima?ju?r?ya?oviracitasya
>> param?dibuddhoddh?tasya ?r?Laghuk?lacakratantrar?jasya Kalkin?
>> ?r?pu??ar?ke?a viracit? ??k? Vimalaprabh? = Vimalaprabh???k? of Kalkin
>> ?r?pu??ar?ka on ?r?laghuk?lacakratantrar?ja by ?r?ma?ju?r?ya?as
>> <http://n2t.net/ark:/13960/t7vm96773>*, 1986-1994, 3v.
>>
>> edition.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
>> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
>> ,
>>
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 21:52:08 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 20 17:52:08 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_atharva=E1=B9=87arahasya?=
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o8W91esDJcQ3tVYyCPtqCoy94dTunWDCiMJnjeU+oU3RA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Can anyone give me any information on a text called the  atharva?arahasya.

The reason I'm asking is that I've been asked to identify the author of a
hymn called lak?m?h?dayam.  The only information I've been able to find is
its colophon which attributes it to the  atharva?arahasya .  Doing an
on-line search for  atharva?arahasya  shows that there are a few other
hymns and an unpaisad attributed to this text in manuscripts. Is this a
text we only know from other texts being attributed to it.

Thanks,
Harry Spier

https://orient-mss.kohd.adw-goe.de/receive/KOHDSanskritMSBook_islamhs_00000930;jsessionid=E5060BFB4679ECB4EA9B3B4F6F48D408?lang=en


https://orient-mss.kohd.adw-goe.de/servlets/solr/select;jsessionid=37455BEBB316B5915202D7D55E0E9833;jsessionid=C3BC679237A13F4FF269AA54BCCFFF6E;jsessionid=4767EAB960B512ED4E373D7D0C7F687B?q=%2Bcategory.top%3A%22IslamHS_class_00000064%3ASKRI0007%22+%2BobjectType%3Aislamhs&sort=mymss_ihsinvent+asc&fq=%21mymss_ihsstatus%3ASTAT0001&version=4.5&mask=islamhs_class_00000064.xml%3FXSL.lastPage.SESSION%3D%2Fislamhs_class_00000064.xml&start=350&rows=50&lang=en


http://catalogue-old.ngmcp.uni-hamburg.de/mediawiki/index.php/A_87-12_Kalisa%E1%B9%83tara%E1%B9%87opani%E1%B9%A3ad


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 00:23:33 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 20 18:23:33 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf Requested
In-Reply-To: <363679393C2EB44480CDA76B2F23C9F70104C346DE@P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cdh2_Zw6M28x7+CatCGYzmku7fjhivHHu9szmmNv9+L+g@mail.gmail.com>

ABORI 1918-2015 is available at JSTOR:

   - https://www.jstor.org/journal/annbhaoriresins


Best,
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 06:47:21 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 08:47:21 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (still) no distraction from the coronavirus // another Sanskrit verse, a different perspective
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoDE45jdwgcz8h2eVknuebf2c=htp6TT9jP3LP1qFzV-sg@mail.gmail.com>

    ????????????? ????   ???????????? ??????? ?
   ????????????????????????   ??????? ?????????? ?
   (no translation, but a v?tti-style explanation in simple Sanskrit :)
?????????????? ????????????? ??? ? ??????????? ????????????????
??????????????? ??????????? ??????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?
???????? ???????????????? ??????????????? ???????????????? ???????? ??
?????????????????? ????? ?? ??????? ?? ? ?? ???????????????
????????????????????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? ?
???????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????
???????????????????????????????? ? ????? ??????????? ????????????????????
??????????? ?????????? ????????????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????????????
????? ??????????? ? ??????????? ????????????????????? ??? ????????????
?????????? ?

P.S.
For this perspective of ?cultural astronomy and astrology?, the planetary
positions for Paris, 8 April 2020, are those provided at:
https://www.drikpanchang.com/planet/position/planetary-positions-sidereal.html?date=08/04/2020
 ?Displayed time is Local Clock time for selected location?
?By default, Lahiri/Chitrapaksha Ayanamsha is used which can be changed to
Tropical, B. V. Raman or Krishnamurthy?

P.P.S.
Sanskrit, though often associated or even identified with ?traditionalism?,
can *also* be used to express, with all required precision, (partly)
untraditional, unconventional, innovative thoughts, for instance about
planets and planetory objects entirely unknown in ancient and classical
??stric learning, or about the absence of popularly accepted direct causal
relations. Classical Sanskrit, in contradistinction to then contemporary
late Vedic and early Prakritic dialects and sociolects, was created almost
as a kind of widely, freely and easily accessible[1] *Esperanto* (the 19th
century language of *espoir* 'hope' for international communication), to an
important measure by (Buddhist) communities and scholars and authors
(Amara, A?vagho?a, Jinendrabuddhi etc.) who wanted to communicate, across
petty linguistic and dialectal borders, ideas which were, at that time,
untraditional, unconventional, and innovative (as I recently argued here:
https://doi.org/10.1515/opli-2018-0001).
[1] easily accessible in comparison to all other languages at the time,
except for each one?s mother tongue and closely related or directly
neighbouring languages (ironically, in the Occident Sanskrit has become the
epitome of ... ?being difficult?) ; another aspect to this which is a
further proof that it was originally indeed easily accessible (applying to
Sanskrit as it applied to Esperanto when it was in fashion) : it is felt to
be less emotionally expressive by authors in regional languages (prof.
George Hart, this list, two days ago).
Stay well and safe,
Jan Houben
-- 

*Jan E.M. Houben*

Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology

*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*

?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)

*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

*johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*

*https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr  8 07:01:11 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 09:01:11 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzdrKjcUBWEyJAet-iXuDRcgXFuaLK2XxH6V94i-W4yq-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cccf27af44279628c2435f6057ef2fd5@univie.ac.at>


??????????????????? ?????? ???????????? ?
?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ?

"This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
"that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"


Christian Ferstl


Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ??????? ?????? ????????
> ?????? ????????? ??????: ?
> 
> ????? ?????????????
> ???????? ????? ???????: ??
> 
> Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
> also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Wed Apr  8 07:04:57 2020
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 07:04:57 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_pdf_request,_=C4=81yatana_in_Buddhist_literature?=
Message-ID: <57bea440525945089817cea7c81301ce@hum.leidenuniv.nl>

Dear List members,

I hope someone can help me out with a pdf of Gonda's article on ?yatana in Adyar Libr. Bull. 33 (1969).

I am particular interested to know if the use of the word ?yatana all by itself meaning "the senses" is a peculiar development within Buddhism or is already present in the brahma?ic tradition, or is merely foreshadowed in the latter.

With kind regards, Herman


Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
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From danbalogh at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 07:08:33 2020
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 09:08:33 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <cccf27af44279628c2435f6057ef2fd5@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAM0n-bWJZvHR_YLBa-QBKAgXhK_Ga_xLr+9WmPsmLWRAJsL9dw@mail.gmail.com>

Nice one, I like the touch of humour. To correct the metre in p?da b, I
suggest ????????? ??/???? .
Daniel

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 09:01, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> ??????????????????? ?????? ???????????? ?
> ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ?
>
> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ??????? ?????? ????????
> > ?????? ????????? ??????: ?
> >
> > ????? ?????????????
> > ???????? ????? ???????: ??
> >
> > Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
> > also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 07:17:33 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 09:17:33 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (still) no distraction from the coronavirus // another Sanskrit verse, a different perspective
In-Reply-To: <CAGCGLoDE45jdwgcz8h2eVknuebf2c=htp6TT9jP3LP1qFzV-sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoDntuub=OmiqLt=Eo9AHV1OCsfwcqSbEqVX2-djqM=zQg@mail.gmail.com>

with ???????????  >>> ??????????????

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 08:47, Jan E.M. Houben <jemhouben at gmail.com> wrote:

>     ????????????? ????   ???????????? ??????? ?
>    ????????????????????????   ??????? ?????????? ?
>    (no translation, but a v?tti-style explanation in simple Sanskrit :)
> ?????????????? ????????????? ??? ? ??????????? ????????????????
> ??????????????? ??????????? ??????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?
> ???????? ???????????????? ??????????????? ???????????????? ???????? ??
> ?????????????????? ????? ?? ??????? ?? ? ?? ???????????????
> ????????????????????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? ?
> ???????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????
> ???????????????????????????????? ? ????? ??????????? ???????????????????? ??????????????
> ?????????? ????????????????? ??????? ? ????????? ?????????????? ?????
> ??????????? ? ??????????? ????????????????????? ??? ???????????? ??????????
> ?
>
> P.S.
> For this perspective of ?cultural astronomy and astrology?, the planetary
> positions for Paris, 8 April 2020, are those provided at:
>
> https://www.drikpanchang.com/planet/position/planetary-positions-sidereal.html?date=08/04/2020
>  ?Displayed time is Local Clock time for selected location?
> ?By default, Lahiri/Chitrapaksha Ayanamsha is used which can be changed to
> Tropical, B. V. Raman or Krishnamurthy?
>
> P.P.S.
> Sanskrit, though often associated or even identified with
> ?traditionalism?, can *also* be used to express, with all required
> precision, (partly) untraditional, unconventional, innovative thoughts, for
> instance about planets and planetory objects entirely unknown in ancient
> and classical ??stric learning, or about the absence of popularly accepted
> direct causal relations. Classical Sanskrit, in contradistinction to then
> contemporary late Vedic and early Prakritic dialects and sociolects, was
> created almost as a kind of widely, freely and easily accessible[1]
> *Esperanto* (the 19th century language of *espoir* 'hope' for
> international communication), to an important measure by (Buddhist)
> communities and scholars and authors (Amara, A?vagho?a, Jinendrabuddhi
> etc.) who wanted to communicate, across petty linguistic and dialectal
> borders, ideas which were, at that time, untraditional, unconventional, and
> innovative (as I recently argued here:
> https://doi.org/10.1515/opli-2018-0001).
> [1] easily accessible in comparison to all other languages at the time,
> except for each one?s mother tongue and closely related or directly
> neighbouring languages (ironically, in the Occident Sanskrit has become the
> epitome of ... ?being difficult?) ; another aspect to this which is a
> further proof that it was originally indeed easily accessible (applying to
> Sanskrit as it applied to Esperanto when it was in fashion) : it is felt to
> be less emotionally expressive by authors in regional languages (prof.
> George Hart, this list, two days ago).
> Stay well and safe,
> Jan Houben
> --
>
> *Jan E.M. Houben*
>
> Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology
>
> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
>
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)
>
> *Sciences historiques et philologiques *
>
> *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*
>
> *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
> <https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben>*
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 07:50:34 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 09:50:34 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09pdf_request,_=C4=81yatana_in_Buddhist_literature?=
In-Reply-To: <57bea440525945089817cea7c81301ce@hum.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoCTq2AAV=w0PF4VycaTkWGNTzxn9fxuOHKDu8i0GswQvg@mail.gmail.com>

Dag Herman,
Hier is een dropbox link naar Gonda Selected Studies vol. 2
(aayatana artikel: p. 178ff).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6c3uaxepozx150j/Selected%20studies.%20Volume%20II.%20Sanskrit%20Word%20Studies.%28J.Gonda%29%28Brill%2C1975%29%28600dpi%2Clossy%29.pdf?dl=0
Wellicht nog onder copyright, dus ik haal de link mettertijd weer weg.
Hartelijke groet,
Jan

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 09:05, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear List members,
>
> I hope someone can help me out with a pdf of Gonda's article on *?yatana*
> in Adyar Libr. Bull. 33 (1969).
>
> I am particular interested to know if the use of the word *?yatana* all
> by itself meaning "the senses" is a peculiar development within Buddhism or
> is already present in the brahma?ic tradition, or is merely foreshadowed in
> the latter.
>
> With kind regards, Herman
>
>
> Herman Tieken
> Stationsweg 58
> 2515 BP Den Haag
> The Netherlands
> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
> website: hermantieken.com
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
>


-- 

*Jan E.M. Houben*

Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology

*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*

?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)

*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

*johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*

*https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Wed Apr  8 08:26:10 2020
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 08:26:10 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=C4=81yatana?=
Message-ID: <c9f0db55d0604800b4ebde8df6134884@hum.leidenuniv.nl>

I like to thank Jan houben, Christoph Vielle and Dimitry Olenev for the pdf of Gonda's article on ?yatana.Herman


Herman Tieken
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 10:31:23 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 16:01:23 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAM0n-bWJZvHR_YLBa-QBKAgXhK_Ga_xLr+9WmPsmLWRAJsL9dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ebZW3EoO_URxRLhddorU28s2gopB5X0NiLMiXi-m0mX4Q@mail.gmail.com>

The whole chamatkaara is in the pun in the word  ??????????.  Yougika  (
staying at houses) and roodha (aas'rama of married / family life) meanings
of the word.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:38 PM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Nice one, I like the touch of humour. To correct the metre in p?da b, I
> suggest ????????? ??/???? .
> Daniel
>
> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 09:01, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> ??????????????????? ?????? ???????????? ?
>> ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ?
>>
>> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
>> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>>
>>
>> Christian Ferstl
>>
>>
>> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
>> >
>> > ??????? ?????? ????????
>> > ?????? ????????? ??????: ?
>> >
>> > ????? ?????????????
>> > ???????? ????? ???????: ??
>> >
>> > Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
>> > also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
>> >
>> > Madhav M. Deshpande
>> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >
>> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
>> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> > committee)
>> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>> > or unsubscribe)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
>>
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-- 
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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


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BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr  8 11:04:06 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 13:04:06 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAM0n-bWJZvHR_YLBa-QBKAgXhK_Ga_xLr+9WmPsmLWRAJsL9dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d42248ea0546bb08818d8d85bb92dea@univie.ac.at>

Ouch!
Thanks D?niel, I was too quick to send this off (I had to leave the 
house).
Christan

Am 08.04.2020 09:08, schrieb D?niel Balogh:
> Nice one, I like the touch of humour. To correct the metre in p?da b,
> I suggest ????????? ??/???? .
> Daniel
> 
> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 09:01, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
>> ???????????????????
>> ?????? ???????????? ?
>> ?????????? ??????????
>> ???????? ????????? ?
>> 
>> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
>> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>> 
>> Christian Ferstl
>> 
>> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>> 
>>> ??????? ?????? ????????
>>> ?????? ????????? ??????:
>> ?
>>> 
>>> ????? ?????????????
>>> ???????? ????? ???????:
>> ??
>>> 
>>> Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
>>> also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
>>> 
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> 
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr  8 11:10:45 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 13:10:45 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9ebZW3EoO_URxRLhddorU28s2gopB5X0NiLMiXi-m0mX4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bceeaf504227919041d492f29ea2f413@univie.ac.at>

Thank you, Prof. Paturi,

for pointing out the pun. It gets lost in the translation.
I correct the second p?da to ??????? ?????????? .

Best,
Christian


Am 08.04.2020 12:31, schrieb Nagaraj Paturi:
> The whole chamatkaara is in the pun in the word
> ??????????.  Yougika  ( staying at houses) and
> roodha (aas'rama of married / family life) meanings of the word.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:38 PM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
>> Nice one, I like the touch of humour. To correct the metre in p?da
>> b, I suggest ????????? ??/???? .
>> Daniel
>> 
>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 09:01, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>>> ???????????????????
>>> ?????? ???????????? ?
>>> ?????????? ??????????
>>> ???????? ????????? ?
>>> 
>>> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
>>> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>>> 
>>> Christian Ferstl
>>> 
>>> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>>> 
>>>> ??????? ??????
>>> ????????
>>>> ?????? ?????????
>>> ??????: ?
>>>> 
>>>> ????? ?????????????
>>>> ???????? ????? ???????:
>>> ??
>>>> 
>>>> Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving
>>> Lanka,
>>>> also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
>>>> 
>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>> 
>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>>> managing
>>>> committee)
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> 
> --
> 
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> 
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> 
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.





From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr  8 12:57:28 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 05:57:28 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09pdf_request,_=C4=81yatana_in_Buddhist_literature?=
In-Reply-To: <CAGCGLoCTq2AAV=w0PF4VycaTkWGNTzxn9fxuOHKDu8i0GswQvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdsmBbQEOczXxNsPPfYJr2zV_p+j1QrT3ZRATH78hFWMg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Jan,

    Is the pdf of Vol 1 of Gonda's collected articles available?  Best,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:51 AM Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dag Herman,
> Hier is een dropbox link naar Gonda Selected Studies vol. 2
> (aayatana artikel: p. 178ff).
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6c3uaxepozx150j/Selected%20studies.%20Volume%20II.%20Sanskrit%20Word%20Studies.%28J.Gonda%29%28Brill%2C1975%29%28600dpi%2Clossy%29.pdf?dl=0
> Wellicht nog onder copyright, dus ik haal de link mettertijd weer weg.
> Hartelijke groet,
> Jan
>
> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 09:05, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear List members,
>>
>> I hope someone can help me out with a pdf of Gonda's article on *?yatana*
>> in Adyar Libr. Bull. 33 (1969).
>>
>> I am particular interested to know if the use of the word *?yatana* all
>> by itself meaning "the senses" is a peculiar development within Buddhism or
>> is already present in the brahma?ic tradition, or is merely foreshadowed in
>> the latter.
>>
>> With kind regards, Herman
>>
>>
>> Herman Tieken
>> Stationsweg 58
>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>> The Netherlands
>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>> website: hermantieken.com
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>
>
> --
>
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>
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>
> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
>
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>
> *Sciences historiques et philologiques *
>
> *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*
>
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From corinna.lhoir at uni-hamburg.de  Wed Apr  8 13:13:03 2020
From: corinna.lhoir at uni-hamburg.de (Corinna May Lhoir)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 15:13:03 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request: Naciketas
Message-ID: <797ee7c8-04f9-6041-eb44-886c2b248eb6@uni-hamburg.de>

Dear List,

I am unable to track down the following article due to the usual reasons:

/Wadhwani, Y. K. (1973). Implication of the Vedic Term Naciketas. 
Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, 11, 19?23./

Can anybody help me out with a copy please? Thanks a lot in advance!

Kind regards

Corinna Lhoir

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr  8 13:19:05 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 06:19:05 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfcA8GL2+R1B5LwcPyAJ0iSkZP9LRWgoKe7nEQjxkafWg@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

???????????? ????: ????? ?????? ? ?????????? ?
??????????????? ????? ????? ????????? ??

The great sage Vishvamitra said to Menaka who had just delivered a baby:
?Scared of the danger of the Coronavirus, I am going to abandon you, though
I love you.?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr  8 13:52:39 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 06:52:39 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <cccf27af44279628c2435f6057ef2fd5@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd8yOaSd02mYfmXszbG6FMneGYqKUa6yPQUT8LNh1KmSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Christian,

??????????? ???????? ????? ?????? ? ?
???????? ?????????? ??????????????? ??

Having given up all activities and their results, I have become permanently
homebound due to concern with the danger of the Coronavirus.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:01 AM Christian Ferstl <
christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:

>
> ??????????????????? ?????? ???????????? ?
> ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ?
>
> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ??????? ?????? ????????
> > ?????? ????????? ??????: ?
> >
> > ????? ?????????????
> > ???????? ????? ???????: ??
> >
> > Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
> > also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
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From harshadehejia at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  8 21:09:44 2020
From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 21:09:44 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lines to an Advaitin
Message-ID: <DM6PR19MB2524217B9102461738B9CF30A0C00@DM6PR19MB2524.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Friends:

2. Wait O Advaitin! I am not ready for absolute truth
    I need to drench myself in the rasa of Rashesvar.?

Regards,

Harsha
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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 23:38:14 2020
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 20 23:38:14 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR19MB2524217B9102461738B9CF30A0C00@DM6PR19MB2524.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1473333675.1851533.1586389094223@mail.yahoo.com>

 I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.

I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some publications that discuss it.
Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme realization. :-)

Best,
Dean


Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
  Friends:

Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.
I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.

Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavada
Let me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.

Kind regards,

Harsha
Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia
  


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From aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu  Thu Apr  9 00:00:48 2020
From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 00:00:48 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <1473333675.1851533.1586389094223@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR08MB36207026EA3D29E73623EE74E7C00@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Dean,

The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta Philosophy is a good source on this.

Best wishes,
Aleksandar

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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)

I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.

But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.

I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some publications that discuss it.

Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme realization. :-)

Best,

Dean


Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:


Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia



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From Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at  Thu Apr  9 00:32:27 2020
From: Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at (Eltschinger, Vincent)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 00:32:27 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR08MB36207026EA3D29E73623EE74E7C00@BN6PR08MB3620.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <de6a99f498414d84b13cbc4311e39aa2@oeaw.ac.at>

m?y?v?da indeed does not to belong to the many v?das alluded to by ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own teaching (veda-, ved?nta-, brahma-, ?tma-v?da). As pointed out by Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of m?y? (at least in the Brahmas?trabh??ya), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the Buddhists).
See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa, M?y?, ??vara? (Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft 100, 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
With kind regards,
Vincent


Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
Directeur d'?tudes
?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
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Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
An: Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav Deshpande
Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)

Dear Dean,

The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta Philosophy is a good source on this.

Best wishes,
Aleksandar

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)

I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.

But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.

I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some publications that discuss it.

Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme realization. :-)

Best,

Dean


Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:


Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia



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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 04:54:15 2020
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 13:54:15 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] book search
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrDHijhrydgsa2Q+KH1Cfp-bn=onGYTTJgxT+7H_2Kfoxg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends, might anyone have close by a scanned copy of this book?

Language handbook on mother tongues in census
Author: R C Nigam
<https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3ANigam%2C+R.+C.&qt=hot_author>
Publisher: Delhi : Manager of Publications, 1972.
Series:
<https://www.worldcat.org/title/language-handbook-on-mother-tongues-in-census/oclc/1029957#>Census
centenary monograph
<https://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=hotseries&q=se%3A%22Census+centenary+monograph%22>,
no. 10.

https://www.worldcat.org/title/language-handbook-on-mother-tongues-in-census/oclc/1029957


All the best,

????? ???????
Patrick McCartney, PhD
Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
(OICD), Kyoto
Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
Japan
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National University
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University

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From michael.williams at univie.ac.at  Thu Apr  9 06:05:09 2020
From: michael.williams at univie.ac.at (Michael Williams)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 08:05:09 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <1473333675.1851533.1586389094223@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f5930e6c7de547876c73b597de51bb04@univie.ac.at>

I would just add that the M?dhvas usually use the term m?y?-v?din to 
refer to Advaitin philosophers. It is clear that it has a pejorative 
force, particularly in texts like the Madhvavijaya (the most famous 
biography of Madhva). The Madhvavijaya makes a lot of the fact that the 
compound can be interpreted as a straightforward statement of the 
Advaitins' position (they are "philosophers who hold that [the world] is 
illusion"), but also with a pejorative sense as "a proponent of the 
fraudulent/false philosophy?. The M?dhvas widely refer to themselves by 
contrast as tattva-v?dins ("proponents of the doctrine that [the world] 
is real" / "proponents of the truth").

Best wishes,

Michael Williams


Am 09.04.2020 01:38, schrieb Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY:
> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
> Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
> offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
> 
> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term
> coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has
> been adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and
> become part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the
> emphasis should be on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
> 
> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to
> some publications that discuss it.
> 
> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and
> the associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the
> supreme realization. :-)
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dean
> 
> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Friends:
> 
> Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite
> confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.
> I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of
> the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and
> rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.
> 
> Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavada
> Let me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Harsha
> Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 06:08:34 2020
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 11:38:34 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <f5930e6c7de547876c73b597de51bb04@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAODNnZjHLVBFuGTZtUwaTyHe743nL=4SD+o6H6VwzGNfhR4xmA@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen the usage earlier than Madhav Philosophy is from Parthasarathi
Misra in his Shastra Dipika. And also in Ramanujacharya tradition is also
common.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 11:35 AM Michael Williams via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I would just add that the M?dhvas usually use the term m?y?-v?din to
> refer to Advaitin philosophers. It is clear that it has a pejorative
> force, particularly in texts like the Madhvavijaya (the most famous
> biography of Madhva). The Madhvavijaya makes a lot of the fact that the
> compound can be interpreted as a straightforward statement of the
> Advaitins' position (they are "philosophers who hold that [the world] is
> illusion"), but also with a pejorative sense as "a proponent of the
> fraudulent/false philosophy?. The M?dhvas widely refer to themselves by
> contrast as tattva-v?dins ("proponents of the doctrine that [the world]
> is real" / "proponents of the truth").
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Michael Williams
>
>
> Am 09.04.2020 01:38, schrieb Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY:
> > I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
> > Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
> > offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
> >
> > But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term
> > coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has
> > been adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and
> > become part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the
> > emphasis should be on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
> >
> > I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to
> > some publications that discuss it.
> >
> > Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and
> > the associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the
> > supreme realization. :-)
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Dean
> >
> > Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >
> > Friends:
> >
> > Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite
> > confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.
> > I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of
> > the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and
> > rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.
> >
> > Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavada
> > Let me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Harsha
> > Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
>
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From corinna.lhoir at uni-hamburg.de  Thu Apr  9 06:18:25 2020
From: corinna.lhoir at uni-hamburg.de (Corinna May Lhoir)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 08:18:25 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request: Naciketas
In-Reply-To: <797ee7c8-04f9-6041-eb44-886c2b248eb6@uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <34c3b2e2-6e69-75c1-0183-61f1a84c39b8@uni-hamburg.de>

Dear List,

thanks so much to Dominik Haas and Jef Pierce for providing me with 
copies of the article!

Best wishes

Corinna Lhoir


-- 
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Am 08.04.2020 um 15:13 schrieb Corinna May Lhoir via INDOLOGY:
>
> Dear List,
>
> I am unable to track down the following article due to the usual reasons:
>
> /Wadhwani, Y. K. (1973). Implication of the Vedic Term Naciketas. 
> Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, 11, 19?23./
>
> Can anybody help me out with a copy please? Thanks a lot in advance!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Corinna Lhoir
>
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Corinna Lhoir, M.A.
> Universit?t Hamburg
> Fakult?t f?r Geisteswissenschaften
> Asien-Afrika-Institut
> Lehrbeauftragte
> Numata Zentrum f?r Buddhismuskunde
> Studierende Angestellte
>
> Alsterterrasse 1
> 20354 Hamburg
>
> Raum 109
>
> +49 40 42838-8314 (Telefon)
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> www.uni-hamburg.de
> www.aai.uni-hamburg.de/indtib
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From palaniappa at aol.com  Thu Apr  9 06:33:57 2020
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 01:33:57 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <de6a99f498414d84b13cbc4311e39aa2@oeaw.ac.at>
Message-ID: <A7C38526-DC8A-4D49-982B-972287DC0005@aol.com>

We had discussed in this list (in 2000) M??ikkav?cakar mentioning m?y?v?da (http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2000-January/019964.html). M??ikkav?cakar is dated by many scholars in the 9th century. 

 

For a English translation of the context, see https://ta.wikisource.org/wiki/??????:??????????-??????_?????????????-1.pdf/181.

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: "Eltschinger, Vincent" <Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 7:33 PM
To: Dean Michael Anderson <eastwestcultural at yahoo.com>, Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at hotmail.com>, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>, "Uskokov, Aleksandar" <aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu>, Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)

 

m?y?v?da indeed does not to belong to the many v?das alluded to by ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own teaching (veda-, ved?nta-, brahma-, ?tma-v?da). As pointed out by Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of m?y? (at least in the Brahmas?trabh??ya), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the Buddhists).

See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa, M?y?, ??vara? (Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft 100, 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.

With kind regards,

Vincent

 

Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
Directeur d'?tudes 
?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05

Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
An: Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav Deshpande
Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin) 

 

Dear Dean, 

 

The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta Philosophy is a good source on this. 

 

Best wishes,

Aleksandar 

 

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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin) 

 

I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.

 

But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.

 

I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some publications that discuss it.

 

Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme realization. :-)

 

Best,

 

Dean

 

 

Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote: 

 

Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
 

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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Thu Apr  9 07:29:02 2020
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 07:29:02 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
Message-ID: <1586414838.S.44192.autosave.drafts.1586417342.29211@webmail.rediffmail.com>

Though it may be a little bit out of context,,Mayavada acts synonymously with the other epithets which describes Sankara's philosophy namely, VivartaVada or Adwaitya Vada.In fact, Absolute Monism is better explained by the latter two terms, rather than by Mayavada.Avidya or Mithya Gnyan( I e false epistemology) is the.cause while, our failure to realise the Brahmana within ourselves, is the effect .This effect is felt through the power of Brahmana i.e.Maya.However,I am not aware of any sect hailing&nbsp; Adwaitya Vadins as Maya Vadins, though the roots of the word Maya. can be found in the Upanishads ( namely Mundaka Upanishad....".....MayamatramIdamDwaitwamAdwaityamParamarthato...")Alakendu Das.




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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Thu Apr  9 09:18:56 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 11:18:56 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzd8yOaSd02mYfmXszbG6FMneGYqKUa6yPQUT8LNh1KmSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8278d4dff285d0be35160c22d030ff82@univie.ac.at>

Lockdown in ancient Ayodhya:

???????????????????? ?????????? ??? ?
?????? ?? ???? ????????????????? ????? ?

Vasi??ha pointed this out: ?In times of Corona, o king,
even your army should stay at home. So don?t perform a horse sacrifice!?


Christian Ferstl

University of Vienna


Am 08.04.2020 15:52, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
> Dear Christian,
> 
> ??????????? ????????
> ????? ?????? ? ?
> ???????? ??????????
> ??????????????? ??
> 
> Having given up all activities and their results, I have become
> permanently homebound due to concern with the danger of the
> Coronavirus.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:01 AM Christian Ferstl
> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
> 
>> ???????????????????
>> ?????? ???????????? ?
>> ?????????? ??????????
>> ???????? ????????? ?
>> 
>> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
>> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>> 
>> Christian Ferstl
>> 
>> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>> 
>>> ??????? ?????? ????????
>>> ?????? ????????? ??????:
>> ?
>>> 
>>> ????? ?????????????
>>> ???????? ????? ???????:
>> ??
>>> 
>>> Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
>>> also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
>>> 
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> 
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>> 
>>> committee)
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From gasyoun at ya.ru  Thu Apr  9 09:51:19 2020
From: gasyoun at ya.ru (=?utf-8?Q?M=C4=81rcis_Gas=C5=ABns?=)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 12:51:19 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Semi-automatic Morphological Markup of a Parallel Russian-Sanskrit Corpus
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 10:33:02 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 12:33:02 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09pdf_request,_=C4=81yatana_in_Buddhist_literature?=
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzdsmBbQEOczXxNsPPfYJr2zV_p+j1QrT3ZRATH78hFWMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoAP+p2L-FCvPCCiRWSsvzfGZjtxcnog-QekgdC=exR7mw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Madhav and others,
Here is a temporary link to Vol. 1 as well:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ih53ys3h82uiiw0/Selected%20studies.%20Volume%20I.%20Indo-European%20lingustics.%28J.Gonda%29%28Brill%2C1975%29%28600dpi%2Clossy%29.pdf?dl=0
I can make vols. 3-5 available if anyone needs them,
and *I am in search of a scan of vol. 6*: will be grateful if anyone has it
and is willing to share it.
With best regards,
Jan

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 14:58, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Dear Jan,
>
>     Is the pdf of Vol 1 of Gonda's collected articles available?  Best,
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:51 AM Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dag Herman,
>> Hier is een dropbox link naar Gonda Selected Studies vol. 2
>> (aayatana artikel: p. 178ff).
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6c3uaxepozx150j/Selected%20studies.%20Volume%20II.%20Sanskrit%20Word%20Studies.%28J.Gonda%29%28Brill%2C1975%29%28600dpi%2Clossy%29.pdf?dl=0
>> Wellicht nog onder copyright, dus ik haal de link mettertijd weer weg.
>> Hartelijke groet,
>> Jan
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 09:05, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear List members,
>>>
>>> I hope someone can help me out with a pdf of Gonda's article on
>>> *?yatana* in Adyar Libr. Bull. 33 (1969).
>>>
>>> I am particular interested to know if the use of the word *?yatana* all
>>> by itself meaning "the senses" is a peculiar development within Buddhism or
>>> is already present in the brahma?ic tradition, or is merely foreshadowed in
>>> the latter.
>>>
>>> With kind regards, Herman
>>>
>>>
>>> Herman Tieken
>>> Stationsweg 58
>>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>>> The Netherlands
>>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>>> website: hermantieken.com
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>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Jan E.M. Houben*
>>
>> Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology
>>
>> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
>>
>> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)
>>
>> *Sciences historiques et philologiques *
>>
>> *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*
>>
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From buescherhartmut at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 11:32:14 2020
From: buescherhartmut at gmail.com (Hartmut Buescher)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 13:32:14 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <de6a99f498414d84b13cbc4311e39aa2@oeaw.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAGsvHi-oCeS_kJoE3xbYcvb_paWQihVofYHq_QgdJTe-1E=dBw@mail.gmail.com>

Christian Bouy (*Gau?ap?da ? L??gama??stra*, p. 247), in his commentary on
GK IV.40,

had pointed out that, apparently distinguishing between a good and a bad
version

of *m?y?v?da*,

          ?Gau?ap?da ?carte ici, selon Anubh?tisvar?pa, la vue des ?
mauvais partisans

          de la doctrine de la *m?y?* ? (*ku-m?y?v?din*). Selon ces
*m?y?v?din*, ? de l?ignorance,

          qui est proprement insubstantielle, na?t l?effet, [lui aussi]
proprement insubstantial ?

          (*avastuna ev?j??n?d avastv eva k?rya? j?yata iti*). Explication
voisine chez

          ?nandagiri. [...] Des Ved?ntin, en tout cas, si l?on s?en remet
au t?moignage

          de l?auteur de la *?rutaprak??ik?*  (une explication du
*?r?bh??ya* de R?m?nuja),

          ont enseign? le *m?y?v?da* avant l??poque de ?a?kara.?



In fact, already Bh?skara (to whom Aleksandar Uskokov had referred) ? cf.
also

Paul Hacker, *Vivarta*, p. 17, n. 1) ? had identified them as
*m?h?y?nikabauddha*s

(I.4.25: *m?h?y?nikabauddhag?thita? m?y?v?da?*; *Brahmas?trabh??am*,
Chowkhamba

ed., p. 85).



Hacker?s *Vivarta* appeared three years later (1953) than his
?Eigent?mlichkeiten
der

Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas? and may be said to be even more useful on
this

particular topic. Just to quote a single summarizing passage from this work
(p. 51):

          ?Im fr?hen brahmanischen Illusionismus verwandte der stark
buddhistisch

          beeinflu?te Gau?ap?da nur *m?y?*, Sure?vara in der
Nai?karmyasiddhi nur *avidy?*

          nebst Synonymen, ?a?kara im Brahmas?tra-Kommentar beide, doch
*avidy?*

          f?nfmal so oft wie *m?y?*. Mit Padmap?da beginnt zun?chst eine
Tendenz

          beide Begriffe zu identifizieren. Ihr Inhalt ist im fr?hen
Advaitav?da nicht nur

          vom Buddhismus, sondern offenbar auch vom Vi??uismus her
bestimmt.?



Kind regards, Hartmut



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:33 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
> ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own
> teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*, *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by
> Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
> Buddhists).
>
> See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking
> ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa,
> M?y?, ??vara? (*Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft *100,
> 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
>
> With kind regards,
> Vincent
>
>
> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
> Directeur d'?tudes
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
> Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
> vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
> 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
> ------------------------------
> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von
> Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
> *An:* Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav
> Deshpande
> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>
> Dear Dean,
>
> The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative
> sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta
> Philosophy is a good source on this.
>
> Best wishes,
> Aleksandar
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean
> Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <
> harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>
> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
> Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
> offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
>
> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined
> by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted
> by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of
> the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on
> 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
>
> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some
> publications that discuss it.
>
> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the
> associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme
> realization. :-)
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
>
> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
>
>
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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Thu Apr  9 12:36:50 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 14:36:50 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsvHi-oCeS_kJoE3xbYcvb_paWQihVofYHq_QgdJTe-1E=dBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E2A7375-D426-48A1-AE85-A62FBAA4C826@uclouvain.be>

Dear List,

I take the opportunity of this thread for asking if there is any news about the completing of the new critical edition of Bh?skara's Brahmas?trabh??ya prepared by Takahira Kato on the basis of J.A.B. Van Buitenen's unpublished material? See Kato's article issued in WZKS 2009-2010 for the history of Van Buitenen's work, ready to be issued in the HOS in the 1960s, then lost and finally handed over by Walter Slaje under whose supervision Kato was working at the end of the 2000s. 
https://www.academia.edu/26555702/Bh?skaras_Brahmas?trabh??ya_An_Unpublished_Edition_by_J._A._B._van_Buitenen <https://www.academia.edu/26555702/Bh%C4%81skaras_Brahmas%C5%ABtrabh%C4%81%E1%B9%A3ya_An_Unpublished_Edition_by_J._A._B._van_Buitenen>
Kato declares in his article that Van Buitenen work "will soon be made available to scholars", and indeed a diplomatic edition of Van Buitenen's work was provided at the end of his Ph.D. (see the link below  given  by E. Freschi in 2014, still working). However, since for his PhD,  Kato's new critical edition (with additional material to VB's work) covers only adh. 1 and 2 of the BS, I would be interested to know if the rest of the editorial work is still in course of preparation and if one can expect the publication of this new edition in a near future.

Best wishes,

Christophe


On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Elisa Freschi <elisa.freschi at gmail.com <mailto:elisa.freschi at gmail.com>> wrote:
With pleasure:


http://digital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/hs/content/titleinfo/1448039 <http://digital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/hs/content/titleinfo/1448039>
elisa freschi

On Sunday, September 21, 2014, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
Hello Dr. Freschi,

     Could you please provide the web reference for Takahiro Kato's PhD thesis?  Thanks.

Madhav Deshpande

> De: Elisa Freschi <elisa.freschi at gmail.com <mailto:elisa.freschi at gmail.com>>
> Objet: [INDOLOGY] Available Works on Bhaskara's Brahmasutrabhashya
> Date: 21 septembre 2014 ? 19:43:35 UTC+2
> ?: Niranjan Saha <shrinsaha at gmail.com <mailto:shrinsaha at gmail.com>>
> 
> Dear Niranjan,
> 
> are you talking about critical works on the Bhasya or further editions or translations? If the latter, you need to have a look at Takahiro Kato's PhD thesis (available on line), which contains a facsimile of van Buitenen's unpublished edition of the first chapter of the Bhasya and, more importantly, Kato's own, further improved edition of the same. See also Kato's forthcoming article on jnanakarmasamuccaya in Bhaskara (to be published soon on Indologica Taurinensia) and Kato 2010 (WZKS) on van Buitenen's edition. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> elisa
> 
> On Sunday, September 21, 2014, Niranjan Saha < <>shrinsaha at gmail.com <mailto:shrinsaha at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear list members,
> 
> Namaskar! 
> 
> I'd be greatful if any body could point out me the available works on Bhaskara's Brahmasutrabhashya (I do have the original bhashya but need to know the availability of other works made on this bhashya either in Hindi, English or in any other Indian languages).
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Niranjan Saha
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Elisa Freschi
> 
> Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia
> Austrian Academy of Sciences
> Apostelgasse 23
> 1030 Vienna
> Austria
> Phone +43 1 51581 6433
> Fax +43 1 51581 6410
> http://elisafreschi.com <http://elisafreschi.com/>

> De: Walter Slaje <slaje at T-ONLINE.DE <mailto:slaje at T-ONLINE.DE>>
> Objet: R?p : van Buitenen's Critical Edition of Bhaskara's Brahmasutrabhasya
> Date: 13 d?cembre 2006 ? 07:53:00 UTC+1
> ?: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk <mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
> R?pondre ?: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk <mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>>
> 
> Dear Diwakar,
> 
> the typoskript left by Van Buitenen is with me.
> Takahiro Kato, Ph.D. student, is preparing a new
> edition from it
> (takahiro.kato at indologie.uni-halle.de <mailto:takahiro.kato at indologie.uni-halle.de>).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Walter
> 
> -------------------------
> Prof Dr Walter Slaje
> Hermann-Loens-Str. 1
> D-99425 Weimar (Germany)
> Tel/Fax: +49-(0)3643 501391
> www.indologie.uni-halle.de <http://www.indologie.uni-halle.de/>


> Le 9 avr. 2020 ? 13:32, Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> Christian Bouy (Gau?ap?da ? L??gama??stra, p. 247), in his commentary on GK IV.40,
> had pointed out that, apparently distinguishing between a good and a bad version
> of m?y?v?da,
>           ?Gau?ap?da ?carte ici, selon Anubh?tisvar?pa, la vue des ? mauvais partisans
>           de la doctrine de la m?y? ? (ku-m?y?v?din). Selon ces m?y?v?din, ? de l?ignorance,
>           qui est proprement insubstantielle, na?t l?effet, [lui aussi] proprement insubstantial ?    
>           (avastuna ev?j??n?d avastv eva k?rya? j?yata iti). Explication voisine chez
>           ?nandagiri. [...] Des Ved?ntin, en tout cas, si l?on s?en remet au t?moignage
>           de l?auteur de la ?rutaprak??ik?  (une explication du ?r?bh??ya de R?m?nuja),
>           ont enseign? le m?y?v?da avant l??poque de ?a?kara.?
>  
> In fact, already Bh?skara (to whom Aleksandar Uskokov had referred) ? cf. also
> Paul Hacker, Vivarta, p. 17, n. 1) ? had identified them as m?h?y?nikabauddhas
> (I.4.25: m?h?y?nikabauddhag?thita? m?y?v?da?; Brahmas?trabh??am, Chowkhamba
> ed., p. 85).
>  
> Hacker?s Vivarta appeared three years later (1953) than his ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der
> Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas? and may be said to be even more useful on this
> particular topic. Just to quote a single summarizing passage from this work (p. 51):
>           ?Im fr?hen brahmanischen Illusionismus verwandte der stark buddhistisch
>           beeinflu?te Gau?ap?da nur m?y?, Sure?vara in der Nai?karmyasiddhi nur avidy?
>           nebst Synonymen, ?a?kara im Brahmas?tra-Kommentar beide, doch avidy?
>           f?nfmal so oft wie m?y?. Mit Padmap?da beginnt zun?chst eine Tendenz
>           beide Begriffe zu identifizieren. Ihr Inhalt ist im fr?hen Advaitav?da nicht nur
>           vom Buddhismus, sondern offenbar auch vom Vi??uismus her bestimmt.?
>  
> Kind regards, Hartmut
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:33 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> m?y?v?da indeed does not to belong to the many v?das alluded to by ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own teaching (veda-, ved?nta-, brahma-, ?tma-v?da). As pointed out by Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of m?y? (at least in the Brahmas?trabh??ya), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the Buddhists).
> 
> See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa, M?y?, ??vara? (Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft 100, 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
> 
> With kind regards,
> 
> Vincent
> 
> 
> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
> Directeur d'?tudes 
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
> Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
> vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr <mailto:vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr>
> 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
> Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> im Auftrag von Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
> An: Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav Deshpande
> Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>  
> Dear Dean,
> 
> The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta Philosophy is a good source on this. 
> 
> Best wishes,
> Aleksandar 
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C2c7e11cfdadd47f6ea3408d7dc79c8dd%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637220287925374086&sdata=HkK0rnj4GgGsbKgFZ6FEjlqCjzTgLUfw9Kp3ECcZ0Wg%3D&reserved=0>
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
> To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>; Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at hotmail.com <mailto:harshadehejia at hotmail.com>>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>  
> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
> 
> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
> 
> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some publications that discuss it.
> 
> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme realization. :-)
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dean
> 
> 
> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
> 
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From raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it  Thu Apr  9 12:53:31 2020
From: raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it (Raffaele Torella)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 14:53:31 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=C5=9Aridhara_on_PDS?=
Message-ID: <582FE34A-6059-4DBC-9D65-33F4F34CBFBB@uniroma1.it>

Dear Colleagues,
in spite of my efforts I have not been able to find the e-text of ?ridhara?s commentary on Pad?rthadharmasa?graha. Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Warm regards
Raffaele Torella

Prof. Raffaele Torella
Chair of Sanskrit
Sapienza University of Rome
www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella





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From olga.nowicka00 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 12:58:31 2020
From: olga.nowicka00 at gmail.com (Olga Nowicka)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 14:58:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request
Message-ID: <CAFLy5L0KJBuqkmT726e3UihHCSym9n6iJ-4hLWz79xvN+CL28w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,

does anybody happen to have a pdf of the following paper - Kulke, Hermann
(1985) ?Mah?r?jas, Mahants and Historians: Reflections on the
Historiography of Early Vijayanagara and Sringeri?, in Anna Libera
Dallapiccola and Stephanie Zingel-Av? Lallemant (eds),Vijayanagara - City
and Empire: New Currents of Research, pp. 120?143. Stuttgart: Steiner
Verlag Wiesbaden GMBH,
and would be willing to share it?
Kind regards,
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Apr  9 13:35:57 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 06:35:57 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfPB_MqAhYc306TPQcEWCvuB008XNcu8KvqcQ6Ljc0xTA@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

??????????? ???????? ????? ?????? ? ?
???????? ?????????? ??????????????? ??

Having given up all activities and their results, I have become permanently
homebound due to concern with the danger of the Coronavirus.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 13:56:23 2020
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 15:56:23 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <2E2A7375-D426-48A1-AE85-A62FBAA4C826@uclouvain.be>
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nWqOeJ5EqNEaNbq-1BO5jE2VqGQPGSk4yL1jEPy4GuCxg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Bh?skarites,

I was just notified by Professor Kato (The University of Tokyo) that he is
still working on the completion Bh?skara's commentary.

On a related note I am copying below an earlier mail of mine, which was
held "until the list moderator can review it for approval (too many
recipients to the message)". Here it is:

Some might find it possibly helpful to consult almost all of Hacker's
seminal Ved?nta studies (except for his monographs) in the English language
as assembled and edited by Wilhelm Halbfass in this volume:

Philology and Confrontation. Paul Hacker on Traditional and Modern Vedanta.
Edited by Wilhelm Halbfass. New York: SUNY Press 1995.

See there in particular: "Distinctive Features of the Doctrine and
Terminology of ?a?kara: Avidy?, N?mar?pa, M?y?, ??vara." (pp. 57-100).

Kind regards,
Walter Slaje


Am Do., 9. Apr. 2020 um 14:37 Uhr schrieb Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> Dear List,
>
> I take the opportunity of this thread for asking if there is any news
> about the completing of the new critical edition of Bh?skara's
> *Brahmas?trabh??ya* prepared by Takahira Kato on the basis of J.A.B. Van
> Buitenen's unpublished material? See Kato's article issued in WZKS
> 2009-2010 for the history of Van Buitenen's work, ready to be issued in the
> HOS in the 1960s, then lost and finally handed over by Walter Slaje under
> whose supervision Kato was working at the end of the 2000s.
>
> https://www.academia.edu/26555702/Bh?skaras_Brahmas?trabh??ya_An_Unpublished_Edition_by_J._A._B._van_Buitenen
> Kato declares in his article that Van Buitenen work "will soon be made
> available to scholars", and indeed a diplomatic edition of Van Buitenen's
> work was provided at the end of his Ph.D. (see the link below  given  by E.
> Freschi in 2014, still working). However, since for his PhD,  Kato's new
> critical edition (with additional material to VB's work) covers only adh. 1
> and 2 of the BS, I would be interested to know if the rest of the editorial
> work is still in course of preparation and if one can expect the
> publication of this new edition in a near future.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Christophe
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Elisa Freschi <elisa.freschi at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>> With pleasure:
>>
>>
>> http://digital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/hs/content/titleinfo/1448039
>>
>> elisa freschi
>>
>> On Sunday, September 21, 2014, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dr. Freschi,
>>>
>>>      Could you please provide the web reference for Takahiro Kato's PhD
>>> thesis?  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>
>>
> *De: *Elisa Freschi <elisa.freschi at gmail.com>
> *Objet: **[INDOLOGY] Available Works on Bhaskara's Brahmasutrabhashya*
> *Date: *21 septembre 2014 ? 19:43:35 UTC+2
> *?: *Niranjan Saha <shrinsaha at gmail.com>
>
> Dear Niranjan,
>
> are you talking about critical works on the Bhasya or further editions or
> translations? If the latter, you need to have a look at Takahiro Kato's PhD
> thesis (available on line), which contains a facsimile of van Buitenen's
> unpublished edition of the first chapter of the Bhasya and, more
> importantly, Kato's own, further improved edition of the same. See also
> Kato's forthcoming article on jnanakarmasamuccaya in Bhaskara (to be
> published soon on Indologica Taurinensia) and Kato 2010 (WZKS) on van
> Buitenen's edition.
>
> Best,
>
> elisa
>
> On Sunday, September 21, 2014, Niranjan Saha <shrinsaha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> Namaskar!
>>
>> I'd be greatful if any body could point out me the available works on
>> Bhaskara's Brahmasutrabhashya (I do have the original bhashya but need to
>> know the availability of other works made on this bhashya either in Hindi,
>> English or in any other Indian languages).
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Niranjan Saha
>>
>
> --
> Dr. Elisa Freschi
>
> Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia
> Austrian Academy of Sciences
> Apostelgasse 23
> 1030 Vienna
> Austria
> Phone +43 1 51581 6433
> Fax +43 1 51581 6410
> http://elisafreschi.com
>
>
>
> *De: *Walter Slaje <slaje at T-ONLINE.DE>
> *Objet: **R?p : van Buitenen's Critical Edition of Bhaskara's
> Brahmasutrabhasya*
> *Date: *13 d?cembre 2006 ? 07:53:00 UTC+1
> *?: *INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
> *R?pondre ?: *Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
>
> Dear Diwakar,
>
> the typoskript left by Van Buitenen is with me.
> Takahiro Kato, Ph.D. student, is preparing a new
> edition from it
> (takahiro.kato at indologie.uni-halle.de).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Walter
>
> -------------------------
> Prof Dr Walter Slaje
> Hermann-Loens-Str. 1
> D-99425 Weimar (Germany)
> Tel/Fax: +49-(0)3643 501391
> www.indologie.uni-halle.de
>
>
>
> Le 9 avr. 2020 ? 13:32, Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
>
> Christian Bouy (*Gau?ap?da ? L??gama??stra*, p. 247), in his commentary
> on GK IV.40,
> had pointed out that, apparently distinguishing between a good and a bad
> version
> of *m?y?v?da*,
>           ?Gau?ap?da ?carte ici, selon Anubh?tisvar?pa, la vue des ?
> mauvais partisans
>           de la doctrine de la *m?y?* ? (*ku-m?y?v?din*). Selon ces
> *m?y?v?din*, ? de l?ignorance,
>           qui est proprement insubstantielle, na?t l?effet, [lui aussi]
> proprement insubstantial ?
>           (*avastuna ev?j??n?d avastv eva k?rya? j?yata iti*).
> Explication voisine chez
>           ?nandagiri. [...] Des Ved?ntin, en tout cas, si l?on s?en remet
> au t?moignage
>           de l?auteur de la *?rutaprak??ik?*  (une explication du
> *?r?bh??ya* de R?m?nuja),
>           ont enseign? le *m?y?v?da* avant l??poque de ?a?kara.?
>
>
> In fact, already Bh?skara (to whom Aleksandar Uskokov had referred) ? cf.
> also
> Paul Hacker, *Vivarta*, p. 17, n. 1) ? had identified them as
> *m?h?y?nikabauddha*s
> (I.4.25: *m?h?y?nikabauddhag?thita? m?y?v?da?*; *Brahmas?trabh??am*,
> Chowkhamba
> ed., p. 85).
>
>
> Hacker?s *Vivarta* appeared three years later (1953) than his ?Eigent?mlichkeiten
> der
> Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas? and may be said to be even more useful on
> this
> particular topic. Just to quote a single summarizing passage from this
> work (p. 51):
>           ?Im fr?hen brahmanischen Illusionismus verwandte der stark
> buddhistisch
>           beeinflu?te Gau?ap?da nur *m?y?*, Sure?vara in der
> Nai?karmyasiddhi nur *avidy?*
>           nebst Synonymen, ?a?kara im Brahmas?tra-Kommentar beide, doch
> *avidy?*
>           f?nfmal so oft wie *m?y?*. Mit Padmap?da beginnt zun?chst eine
> Tendenz
>           beide Begriffe zu identifizieren. Ihr Inhalt ist im fr?hen
> Advaitav?da nicht nur
>           vom Buddhismus, sondern offenbar auch vom Vi??uismus her
> bestimmt.?
>
>
> Kind regards, Hartmut
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:33 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
>> ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own
>> teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*, *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out
>> by Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in
>> the *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like
>> the Buddhists).
>>
>> See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking
>> ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa,
>> M?y?, ??vara? (*Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft *100,
>> 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>> Vincent
>>
>>
>> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
>> Directeur d'?tudes
>> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
>> Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
>> vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
>> 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
>> ------------------------------
>> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von
>> Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
>> *An:* Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav
>> Deshpande
>> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>>
>> Dear Dean,
>>
>> The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative
>> sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta
>> Philosophy is a good source on this.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Aleksandar
>>
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>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean
>> Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
>> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <
>> harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>>
>> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
>> Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
>> offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
>>
>> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined
>> by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted
>> by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of
>> the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on
>> 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some
>> publications that discuss it.
>>
>> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the
>> associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme
>> realization. :-)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
>> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
>>
>>
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From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 14:42:18 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
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I for one would be most thankful if Professor Kato completes his edition, I use his books 1 and 2 very often.

Best wishes
Aleksandar


Aleksandar Uskokov

Lector in Sanskrit

South Asian Studies Council, Yale University

203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu

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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:56 AM
To: Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>
Cc: Indology Mailing List <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)

Dear Bh?skarites,

I was just notified by Professor Kato (The University of Tokyo) that he is still working on the completion Bh?skara's commentary.

On a related note I am copying below an earlier mail of mine, which was held "until the list moderator can review it for approval (too many recipients to the message)". Here it is:

Some might find it possibly helpful to consult almost all of Hacker's seminal Ved?nta studies (except for his monographs) in the English language as assembled and edited by Wilhelm Halbfass in this volume:

Philology and Confrontation. Paul Hacker on Traditional and Modern Vedanta. Edited by Wilhelm Halbfass. New York: SUNY Press 1995.

See there in particular: "Distinctive Features of the Doctrine and Terminology of ?a?kara: Avidy?, N?mar?pa, M?y?, ??vara." (pp. 57-100).

Kind regards,
Walter Slaje


Am Do., 9. Apr. 2020 um 14:37 Uhr schrieb Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>:
Dear List,

I take the opportunity of this thread for asking if there is any news about the completing of the new critical edition of Bh?skara's Brahmas?trabh??ya prepared by Takahira Kato on the basis of J.A.B. Van Buitenen's unpublished material? See Kato's article issued in WZKS 2009-2010 for the history of Van Buitenen's work, ready to be issued in the HOS in the 1960s, then lost and finally handed over by Walter Slaje under whose supervision Kato was working at the end of the 2000s.
https://www.academia.edu/26555702/Bh?skaras_Brahmas?trabh??ya_An_Unpublished_Edition_by_J._A._B._van_Buitenen<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.academia.edu%2F26555702%2FBh%25C4%2581skaras_Brahmas%25C5%25ABtrabh%25C4%2581%25E1%25B9%25A3ya_An_Unpublished_Edition_by_J._A._B._van_Buitenen&data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7C5bd526e22e4d424f943908d7dc8dfa12%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637220374664265749&sdata=fhGiWrHjoRgMS5VtjvszqYqrAAl9wpbNABhrJLIEOug%3D&reserved=0>
Kato declares in his article that Van Buitenen work "will soon be made available to scholars", and indeed a diplomatic edition of Van Buitenen's work was provided at the end of his Ph.D. (see the link below  given  by E. Freschi in 2014, still working). However, since for his PhD,  Kato's new critical edition (with additional material to VB's work) covers only adh. 1 and 2 of the BS, I would be interested to know if the rest of the editorial work is still in course of preparation and if one can expect the publication of this new edition in a near future.

Best wishes,

Christophe


On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Elisa Freschi <elisa.freschi at gmail.com<mailto:elisa.freschi at gmail.com>> wrote:
With pleasure:


http://digital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/hs/content/titleinfo/1448039<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdigital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de%2Fhs%2Fcontent%2Ftitleinfo%2F1448039&data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7C5bd526e22e4d424f943908d7dc8dfa12%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637220374664265749&sdata=b%2B8UcV8dLUCKnrKoNX%2FdA54MoQVrY6UmW5fmAMUtVsM%3D&reserved=0>

elisa freschi

On Sunday, September 21, 2014, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu<mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
Hello Dr. Freschi,

     Could you please provide the web reference for Takahiro Kato's PhD thesis?  Thanks.

Madhav Deshpande

De: Elisa Freschi <elisa.freschi at gmail.com<mailto:elisa.freschi at gmail.com>>
Objet: [INDOLOGY] Available Works on Bhaskara's Brahmasutrabhashya
Date: 21 septembre 2014 ? 19:43:35 UTC+2
?: Niranjan Saha <shrinsaha at gmail.com<mailto:shrinsaha at gmail.com>>

Dear Niranjan,

are you talking about critical works on the Bhasya or further editions or translations? If the latter, you need to have a look at Takahiro Kato's PhD thesis (available on line), which contains a facsimile of van Buitenen's unpublished edition of the first chapter of the Bhasya and, more importantly, Kato's own, further improved edition of the same. See also Kato's forthcoming article on jnanakarmasamuccaya in Bhaskara (to be published soon on Indologica Taurinensia) and Kato 2010 (WZKS) on van Buitenen's edition.

Best,

elisa

On Sunday, September 21, 2014, Niranjan Saha <shrinsaha at gmail.com<mailto:shrinsaha at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear list members,

Namaskar!

I'd be greatful if any body could point out me the available works on Bhaskara's Brahmasutrabhashya (I do have the original bhashya but need to know the availability of other works made on this bhashya either in Hindi, English or in any other Indian languages).

Sincerely,

Niranjan Saha

--
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Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia
Austrian Academy of Sciences
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Phone +43 1 51581 6433
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De: Walter Slaje <slaje at T-ONLINE.DE<mailto:slaje at T-ONLINE.DE>>
Objet: R?p : van Buitenen's Critical Edition of Bhaskara's Brahmasutrabhasya
Date: 13 d?cembre 2006 ? 07:53:00 UTC+1
?: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk<mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
R?pondre ?: Indology <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk<mailto:INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>>

Dear Diwakar,

the typoskript left by Van Buitenen is with me.
Takahiro Kato, Ph.D. student, is preparing a new
edition from it
(takahiro.kato at indologie.uni-halle.de<mailto:takahiro.kato at indologie.uni-halle.de>).

Best regards,

Walter

-------------------------
Prof Dr Walter Slaje
Hermann-Loens-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar (Germany)
Tel/Fax: +49-(0)3643 501391
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Le 9 avr. 2020 ? 13:32, Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a ?crit :

Christian Bouy (Gau?ap?da ? L??gama??stra, p. 247), in his commentary on GK IV.40,
had pointed out that, apparently distinguishing between a good and a bad version
of m?y?v?da,
          ?Gau?ap?da ?carte ici, selon Anubh?tisvar?pa, la vue des ? mauvais partisans
          de la doctrine de la m?y? ? (ku-m?y?v?din). Selon ces m?y?v?din, ? de l?ignorance,
          qui est proprement insubstantielle, na?t l?effet, [lui aussi] proprement insubstantial ?
          (avastuna ev?j??n?d avastv eva k?rya? j?yata iti). Explication voisine chez
          ?nandagiri. [...] Des Ved?ntin, en tout cas, si l?on s?en remet au t?moignage
          de l?auteur de la ?rutaprak??ik?  (une explication du ?r?bh??ya de R?m?nuja),
          ont enseign? le m?y?v?da avant l??poque de ?a?kara.?



In fact, already Bh?skara (to whom Aleksandar Uskokov had referred) ? cf. also
Paul Hacker, Vivarta, p. 17, n. 1) ? had identified them as m?h?y?nikabauddhas
(I.4.25: m?h?y?nikabauddhag?thita? m?y?v?da?; Brahmas?trabh??am, Chowkhamba
ed., p. 85).



Hacker?s Vivarta appeared three years later (1953) than his ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der
Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas? and may be said to be even more useful on this
particular topic. Just to quote a single summarizing passage from this work (p. 51):
          ?Im fr?hen brahmanischen Illusionismus verwandte der stark buddhistisch
          beeinflu?te Gau?ap?da nur m?y?, Sure?vara in der Nai?karmyasiddhi nur avidy?
          nebst Synonymen, ?a?kara im Brahmas?tra-Kommentar beide, doch avidy?
          f?nfmal so oft wie m?y?. Mit Padmap?da beginnt zun?chst eine Tendenz
          beide Begriffe zu identifizieren. Ihr Inhalt ist im fr?hen Advaitav?da nicht nur
          vom Buddhismus, sondern offenbar auch vom Vi??uismus her bestimmt.?



Kind regards, Hartmut



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:33 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:


m?y?v?da indeed does not to belong to the many v?das alluded to by ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own teaching (veda-, ved?nta-, brahma-, ?tma-v?da). As pointed out by Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of m?y? (at least in the Brahmas?trabh??ya), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the Buddhists).

See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa, M?y?, ??vara? (Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft 100, 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.

With kind regards,

Vincent



Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
Directeur d'?tudes
?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr<mailto:vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr>
0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
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Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> im Auftrag von Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
An: Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav Deshpande
Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)

Dear Dean,

The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta Philosophy is a good source on this.

Best wishes,
Aleksandar

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Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)

I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.

But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.

I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some publications that discuss it.

Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme realization. :-)

Best,

Dean


Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:


Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia

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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  9 16:02:07 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 16:02:07 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request
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Attached.

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths




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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Olga Nowicka via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:58 PM
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Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request

Dear List Members,

does anybody happen to have a pdf of the following paper - Kulke, Hermann (1985) ?Mah?r?jas, Mahants and Historians: Reflections on the Historiography of Early Vijayanagara and Sringeri?, in Anna Libera Dallapiccola and Stephanie Zingel-Av? Lallemant (eds),Vijayanagara - City and Empire: New Currents of Research, pp. 120?143. Stuttgart: Steiner Verlag Wiesbaden GMBH,
and would be willing to share it?
Kind regards,
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 16:59:25 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 22:29:25 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <de6a99f498414d84b13cbc4311e39aa2@oeaw.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ea3J36-GN2Ah9Ta_5kVcSuwCQGJRODwNcpzPwObS7XYwg@mail.gmail.com>

>  *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
?a?kara himself, and especially
 to those by which he refers to his own teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*,
*brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,
?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
*Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
Buddhists).

--- Not to contradict the view " ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?" ,
*but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word,
resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father
(Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka
Chudamani,

?????? - ??????????????? - ??????????? ( ???????? ) ???????? ?????????????
- ??????????????????????????????????????? ( ????????? -15 ??????? )

??????? - ????????????????? - ?????????????? ( ????? ????????????  -
???????????? ?????? 2)

He seems to have taken ???? - ???? as the dhaatu for ???? . In words such
as ??????? it has meanings related to  ????????????? ,  ??????? . as in
????????? above.

In words such as ??????, it has meanings related to  ??????? ,  ??????  as
in ????????????????? above.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:03 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
> ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own
> teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*, *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by
> Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
> Buddhists).
>
> See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking
> ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa,
> M?y?, ??vara? (*Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft *100,
> 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
>
> With kind regards,
> Vincent
>
>
> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
> Directeur d'?tudes
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
> Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
> vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
> 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
> ------------------------------
> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von
> Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
> *An:* Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav
> Deshpande
> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>
> Dear Dean,
>
> The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative
> sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta
> Philosophy is a good source on this.
>
> Best wishes,
> Aleksandar
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean
> Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <
> harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>
> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
> Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
> offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
>
> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined
> by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted
> by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of
> the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on
> 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
>
> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some
> publications that discuss it.
>
> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the
> associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme
> realization. :-)
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
>
> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
>
>
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> committee)
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>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
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From buescherhartmut at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 18:22:48 2020
From: buescherhartmut at gmail.com (Hartmut Buescher)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 20:22:48 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9ea3J36-GN2Ah9Ta_5kVcSuwCQGJRODwNcpzPwObS7XYwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGsvHi908pZNk6R9ip4yMWrH5daxpmY4ozbo3cW-Tc=qnaYt9g@mail.gmail.com>

But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekac???ma?i* to do with ?a?kara,

the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*?



Better hesitate, investigate and be careful with your reply.



Best wishes, Hartmut



PS: Not to speak of contemporary, trans-national scholarship, but has your

respected father not been acquainted with (or perhaps rejected) the
research

of ?r? Saccid?nandendrasarasvat? of Holenarsipur?



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> >  *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
> ?a?kara himself, and especially
>  to those by which he refers to his own teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*,
> *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,
> ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
> Buddhists).
>
> --- Not to contradict the view " ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?"
> , *but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word,
> resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father
> (Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka
> Chudamani,
>
> ?????? - ??????????????? - ??????????? ( ???????? ) ???????? ?????????????
> - ??????????????????????????????????????? ( ????????? -15 ??????? )
>
> ??????? - ????????????????? - ?????????????? ( ????? ????????????  -
> ???????????? ?????? 2)
>
> He seems to have taken ???? - ???? as the dhaatu for ???? . In words such
> as ??????? it has meanings related to  ????????????? ,  ??????? . as in
> ????????? above.
>
> In words such as ??????, it has meanings related to  ??????? ,  ??????  as
> in ????????????????? above.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:03 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
>> ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own
>> teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*, *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out
>> by Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in
>> the *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like
>> the Buddhists).
>>
>> See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking
>> ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa,
>> M?y?, ??vara? (*Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft *100,
>> 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>> Vincent
>>
>>
>> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
>> Directeur d'?tudes
>> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
>> Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
>> vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
>> 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
>> ------------------------------
>> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von
>> Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
>> *An:* Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav
>> Deshpande
>> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>>
>> Dear Dean,
>>
>> The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative
>> sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta
>> Philosophy is a good source on this.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Aleksandar
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean
>> Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
>> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <
>> harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>>
>> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
>> Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
>> offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
>>
>> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined
>> by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted
>> by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of
>> the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on
>> 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some
>> publications that discuss it.
>>
>> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the
>> associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme
>> realization. :-)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
>> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 18:34:10 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 00:04:10 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsvHi908pZNk6R9ip4yMWrH5daxpmY4ozbo3cW-Tc=qnaYt9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ebVd7_7r1vNN4OmvokvtymEmTYR-9B6xiMXV2L2LJbP5g@mail.gmail.com>

His Telugu commentary to Vivekachudamani is the context. Whether to give
the references from works that are acceptedly those of Sankara in that
context is justified or not is a different point.

The focus here is on Sankar's interpretations of Maayaa, Hartmut
Buescher-ji.

Thanks and regards,

Nagaraj

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 11:53 PM Hartmut Buescher <buescherhartmut at gmail.com>
wrote:

> But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekac???ma?i* to do with
> ?a?kara,
>
> the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*?
>
>
>
> Better hesitate, investigate and be careful with your reply.
>
>
>
> Best wishes, Hartmut
>
>
>
> PS: Not to speak of contemporary, trans-national scholarship, but has your
>
> respected father not been acquainted with (or perhaps rejected) the
> research
>
> of ?r? Saccid?nandendrasarasvat? of Holenarsipur?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> >  *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to
>> by ?a?kara himself, and especially
>>  to those by which he refers to his own teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*,
>> *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,
>> ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
>> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
>> Buddhists).
>>
>> --- Not to contradict the view " ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?"
>> , *but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word,
>> resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father
>> (Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka
>> Chudamani,
>>
>> ?????? - ??????????????? - ??????????? ( ???????? ) ????????
>> ????????????? - ??????????????????????????????????????? ( ????????? -15
>> ??????? )
>>
>> ??????? - ????????????????? - ?????????????? ( ????? ????????????  -
>> ???????????? ?????? 2)
>>
>> He seems to have taken ???? - ???? as the dhaatu for ???? . In words such
>> as ??????? it has meanings related to  ????????????? ,  ??????? . as in
>> ????????? above.
>>
>> In words such as ??????, it has meanings related to  ??????? ,  ??????
>> as in ????????????????? above.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:03 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
>>> ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own
>>> teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*, *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out
>>> by Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in
>>> the *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much
>>> like the Buddhists).
>>>
>>> See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking
>>> ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa,
>>> M?y?, ??vara? (*Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft
>>> *100, 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
>>>
>>> With kind regards,
>>> Vincent
>>>
>>>
>>> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
>>> Directeur d'?tudes
>>> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
>>> Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
>>> vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
>>> 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von
>>> Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
>>> *An:* Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav
>>> Deshpande
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>>>
>>> Dear Dean,
>>>
>>> The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative
>>> sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta
>>> Philosophy is a good source on this.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Aleksandar
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>>> Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
>>> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <
>>> harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>>> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>>>
>>> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
>>> Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
>>> offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
>>>
>>> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term
>>> coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been
>>> adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become
>>> part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be
>>> on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
>>>
>>> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some
>>> publications that discuss it.
>>>
>>> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the
>>> associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme
>>> realization. :-)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Dean
>>>
>>>
>>> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> committee)
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>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  9 21:08:11 2020
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 21:08:11 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsvHi908pZNk6R9ip4yMWrH5daxpmY4ozbo3cW-Tc=qnaYt9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <959034764.2258177.1586466491742@mail.yahoo.com>

 >Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote: 
>But what,dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the Vivekac???ma?i to do with ?a?kara,the authorof Brahmas?trabh??ya?
Not doubting your assertion -- this is not my area of expertise -- but could you please point me to some discussions about which texts are considered to be from which Shankara, so to say?
Best,
Dean

    On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 11:53:44 PM GMT+5:30, Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 
But what,dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the Vivekac???ma?i to do with ?a?kara,

the authorof Brahmas?trabh??ya?

?

Betterhesitate, investigate and be careful with your reply.

?

Bestwishes, Hartmut

?

PS: Not tospeak of contemporary, trans-national scholarship, but has your 

respected fathernot been acquainted with (or perhaps rejected) the research 

of ?r?Saccid?nandendrasarasvat? of Holenarsipur?

?

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>?m?y?v?da?indeed does not to belong to the many?v?das alluded to by ?a?kara himself, and especially?to those by which he refers to his own teaching (veda-,?ved?nta-,?brahma-,??tma-v?da). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,??a?kara has no specific theory of?m?y??(at least in the?Brahmas?trabh??ya), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the Buddhists).
--- Not to contradict the view "??a?kara has no specific theory of?m?y?" , but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word, resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father (Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka Chudamani,
?????? - ??????????????? - ??????????? ( ???????? ) ???????? ????????????? - ??????????????????????????????????????? ( ????????? -15 ??????? )?
??????? - ????????????????? - ?????????????? ( ????? ????????????? - ???????????? ?????? 2)?
He seems to have taken ???? - ???? as the dhaatu for ???? . In words such as ??????? it has meanings related to?????????????? ,???????? . as in ????????? above.?
In words such as ??????, it has meanings related to???????? ,???????? as in ????????????????? above.??
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:03 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:




m?y?v?da indeed does not to belong to the manyv?das alluded to by ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own teaching (veda-,ved?nta-, brahma-, ?tma-v?da). As pointed out by Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory ofm?y? (at least in the Brahmas?trabh??ya), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the Buddhists).

See?Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa, M?y?, ??vara? (Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft100, 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.

With kind regards,
Vincent





Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
Directeur d'?tudes 
?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
An: Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav Deshpande
Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)?Dear Dean, 
The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta Philosophy is a good source on this.?
Best wishes,Aleksandar?
Get Outlook for iOSFrom: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)?I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.

I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some publications that discuss it.
Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme realization. :-)

Best,
Dean


Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote: 
Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
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Director,? Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic AcademyBoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, MaharashtraBoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, KeralaBoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, BengaluruFormer Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,?FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of??Liberal Education,?Hyderabad, Telangana,?INDIA.???
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 23:23:15 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 19:23:15 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <959034764.2258177.1586466491742@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o96UzG37Z30roP3wyYZEUZnZpOapBeQewmBZS-Qvcmydw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dean,

There is a thread on this topic (which texts are from Sankaracarya and
which aren't) on the indology list.
http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2018-August/thread.html#48269


Best wishes,
Harry Spier

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> >Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> >But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekac???ma?i* to do with
> ?a?kara, the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*?
>
> Not doubting your assertion -- this is not my area of expertise -- but
> could you please point me to some discussions about which texts are
> considered to be from which Shankara, so to say?
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
> On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 11:53:44 PM GMT+5:30, Hartmut Buescher via
> INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>
> But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekac???ma?i* to do with
> ?a?kara,
>
> the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*?
>
>
>
> Better hesitate, investigate and be careful with your reply.
>
>
>
> Best wishes, Hartmut
>
>
>
> PS: Not to speak of contemporary, trans-national scholarship, but has your
>
> respected father not been acquainted with (or perhaps rejected) the
> research
>
> of ?r? Saccid?nandendrasarasvat? of Holenarsipur?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> >  *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
> ?a?kara himself, and especially
>  to those by which he refers to his own teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*,
> *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,
> ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
> Buddhists).
>
> --- Not to contradict the view " ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?"
> , *but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word,
> resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father
> (Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka
> Chudamani,
>
> ?????? - ??????????????? - ??????????? ( ???????? ) ???????? ?????????????
> - ??????????????????????????????????????? ( ????????? -15 ??????? )
>
> ??????? - ????????????????? - ?????????????? ( ????? ????????????  -
> ???????????? ?????? 2)
>
> He seems to have taken ???? - ???? as the dhaatu for ???? . In words such
> as ??????? it has meanings related to  ????????????? ,  ??????? . as in
> ????????? above.
>
> In words such as ??????, it has meanings related to  ??????? ,  ??????  as
> in ????????????????? above.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:03 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
> ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own
> teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*, *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by
> Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
> Buddhists).
>
> See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking
> ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa,
> M?y?, ??vara? (*Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft *100,
> 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
>
> With kind regards,
> Vincent
>
>
> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
> Directeur d'?tudes
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
> Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
> vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
> 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
> ------------------------------
> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von
> Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
> *An:* Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav
> Deshpande
> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>
> Dear Dean,
>
> The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative
> sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta
> Philosophy is a good source on this.
>
> Best wishes,
> Aleksandar
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean
> Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <
> harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>
> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
> Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
> offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
>
> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined
> by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted
> by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of
> the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on
> 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
>
> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some
> publications that discuss it.
>
> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the
> associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme
> realization. :-)
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
>
> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> committee)
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>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
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From buescherhartmut at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 01:53:17 2020
From: buescherhartmut at gmail.com (Hartmut Buescher)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 03:53:17 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <959034764.2258177.1586466491742@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAGsvHi91sj+zyQWr__ApuQSSxX9sXWGdKVbh0LThivyvtAsHcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dean,



thanks to Harry Spier, who referred to a previous thread, you?ve already
received

numerous references addressing your bibliographic question concerning
?which texts

are considered to be from which Shankara? comprising decades of research by
scholars,

and some major names (such as Nakamura, Hacker, Halbfass) had likewise
already

been mentioned in the course of this thread.

Unfortunately, Potter?s online Bibliography is hopelessly incomplete

(https://faculty.washington.edu/kpotter/xsec.htm#[AV]),

yet going through it might also help you getting references related to your

earlier request (? 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya' ? scholarly
discussion of

these terms and the associated concepts ?).

E.g., neither Sengaku Mayeda?s *A Thousand Teachings *(1992) nor

Govind Chandra Pande?s *Life and Thought of ?a?kar?c?rya* (1994), both
containing

significant discussions (and further references) related to your request,
are mentioned.

Neither is Vidyasankar Sundaresan?s important article

?What determines ?a?kara?s Authorship? The Case of the Pa?c?kara?a?,

*Philosophy East & West*, vol. 52.1 (2002): 1-35.

Among the numerous works (often discussing technical terms) of Sri Swami

Satchid?nandendra [spelling as on the title page], not least the one
translated by

A. J. Alston under the title *The Method of the Vedanta. A Critical Account
of *

*the Advaita Tradition* (Delhi, Motilal, 1997) might be relevant for you

(adding to that made by others [cf. references provided by the indicated
previous

thread], for a concise scathing critique of ascribing the *Vivekac???ma?i*
to ?a?kara,

the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*, see p. 22).



Studying all of these works might keep you busy for quite some time.



All the best, Hartmut







On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:08 PM Dean Michael Anderson <
eastwestcultural at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> >But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekac???ma?i* to do with
> ?a?kara, the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*?
>
> Not doubting your assertion -- this is not my area of expertise -- but
> could you please point me to some discussions about which texts are
> considered to be from which Shankara, so to say?
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
> On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 11:53:44 PM GMT+5:30, Hartmut Buescher via
> INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>
> But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekac???ma?i* to do with
> ?a?kara,
>
> the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*?
>
>
>
> Better hesitate, investigate and be careful with your reply.
>
>
>
> Best wishes, Hartmut
>
>
>
> PS: Not to speak of contemporary, trans-national scholarship, but has your
>
> respected father not been acquainted with (or perhaps rejected) the
> research
>
> of ?r? Saccid?nandendrasarasvat? of Holenarsipur?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> >  *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
> ?a?kara himself, and especially
>  to those by which he refers to his own teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*,
> *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,
> ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
> Buddhists).
>
> --- Not to contradict the view " ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?"
> , *but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word,
> resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father
> (Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka
> Chudamani,
>
> ?????? - ??????????????? - ??????????? ( ???????? ) ???????? ?????????????
> - ??????????????????????????????????????? ( ????????? -15 ??????? )
>
> ??????? - ????????????????? - ?????????????? ( ????? ????????????  -
> ???????????? ?????? 2)
>
> He seems to have taken ???? - ???? as the dhaatu for ???? . In words such
> as ??????? it has meanings related to  ????????????? ,  ??????? . as in
> ????????? above.
>
> In words such as ??????, it has meanings related to  ??????? ,  ??????  as
> in ????????????????? above.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:03 AM Eltschinger, Vincent via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to by
> ?a?kara himself, and especially to those by which he refers to his own
> teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*, *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by
> Paul Hacker, ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
> Buddhists).
>
> See Hacker?s short but illuminating remarks in his groundbreaking
> ?Eigent?mlichkeiten der Lehre und Terminologie ?a?karas: Avidy?, N?mar?pa,
> M?y?, ??vara? (*Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft *100,
> 1950, 246-286), pp. 268 ff.
>
> With kind regards,
> Vincent
>
>
> Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
> Directeur d'?tudes
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
> Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
> vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
> 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
> ------------------------------
> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von
> Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 02:00:48
> *An:* Dean Michael Anderson; Indology List; Harsha Dehejia; Madhav
> Deshpande
> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>
> Dear Dean,
>
> The term was used first, for all we know, by Bhaskara, in a pejorative
> sense. Hajime Nakamura?s first volume of his History of Early Vedanta
> Philosophy is a good source on this.
>
> Best wishes,
> Aleksandar
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dean
> Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:38:14 PM
> *To:* Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>; Harsha Dehejia <
> harshadehejia at hotmail.com>; Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
>
> I notice that this post uses the term 'mayavada' in referring to
> Advaitins. This is appropriate in this context I suppose because it is
> offering an alternative perspective to Advaita.
>
> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined
> by their opponents and that it is inaccurate, even if it has been adopted
> by some ill-informed Advaitins to refer to themselves and become part of
> the popular speech. These Advaitins say that the emphasis should be on
> 'avidya' or 'mithya' rather than 'maya'.
>
> I wonder if anyone has any comments about this or could point me to some
> publications that discuss it.
>
> Note: I am interested in the scholarly discussion of these terms and the
> associated concepts, not in a discussion about which is the supreme
> realization. :-)
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
>
> Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Friends:Inspired by Madhav Deshpande and with a long history of my polite confrontations with Advaitins I propose to write 100 lines.I am a staunch Krishna rasika. Writing in English deprives my lines of the majesty of Sanskrit. However what English lacks in the melody and rhythms of Sanskrit it will hopefully make up in its rasa.Wait O! Advaitin, before I accept your mayavadaLet me tarry a bit and enjoy the lotus face of Krishna.Kind regards,HarshaProf. Harsha V. Dehejia
>
>
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>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 04:21:01 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 20 22:21:01 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsvHi908pZNk6R9ip4yMWrH5daxpmY4ozbo3cW-Tc=qnaYt9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekbQF5+yiNpjJWOVwbQmwdPdqdVX-3V6PKAgunJFkizrEw@mail.gmail.com>

Of course, the references that Prof. Paturi gave to ?a?kar?c?rya's
etymological interpretations of the word m?y?, drawn from his father's
commentary on the *Vivekac???ma?i*, do not come from the *Vivekac???ma?i*.
They come from ?a?kar?c?rya's commentary on the *Bhagavadg?t?*, chapter 15,
verse 16, and from ?a?kar?c?rya's commentary on the *M????kyopani?ad* and
Gau?ap?da's *K?rik?*, chapter 3, verse 24. Both of these commentaries are
regarded by scholars such as Sengaku Mayeda as being by the same ?a?kar?c?rya
who is the author of the *Brahmas?trabh??ya*.

"The Authenticity of the Bhagavadg?t?bh??ya Ascribed to ?a?kara," *Wiener
Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?d- und Ostasiens*, vol. 9, 1965, pp. 155-197.

"On the Author of the M????kyopani?ad- and the Gau?ap?d?ya-bh??ya," *Adyar
Library Bulletin*, vols. 31-32, 1967-68, pp. 73-94.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.


On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:21 PM Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekac???ma?i* to do with
> ?a?kara,
>
> the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*?
>
>
>
> Better hesitate, investigate and be careful with your reply.
>
>
>
> Best wishes, Hartmut
>
>
>
> PS: Not to speak of contemporary, trans-national scholarship, but has your
>
> respected father not been acquainted with (or perhaps rejected) the
> research
>
> of ?r? Saccid?nandendrasarasvat? of Holenarsipur?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> >  *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to
>> by ?a?kara himself, and especially
>>  to those by which he refers to his own teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*,
>> *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,
>> ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
>> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like the
>> Buddhists).
>>
>> --- Not to contradict the view " ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?"
>> , *but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word,
>> resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father
>> (Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka
>> Chudamani,
>>
>> ?????? - ??????????????? - ??????????? ( ???????? ) ????????
>> ????????????? - ??????????????????????????????????????? ( ????????? -15
>> ??????? )
>>
>> ??????? - ????????????????? - ?????????????? ( ????? ????????????  -
>> ???????????? ?????? 2)
>>
>> He seems to have taken ???? - ???? as the dhaatu for ???? . In words such
>> as ??????? it has meanings related to  ????????????? ,  ??????? . as in
>> ????????? above.
>>
>> In words such as ??????, it has meanings related to  ??????? ,  ??????
>> as in ????????????????? above.
>>
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 04:44:18 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 10:14:18 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekbQF5+yiNpjJWOVwbQmwdPdqdVX-3V6PKAgunJFkizrEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eYV2H4w_umEbVnLpsiTLESHkkhuVJ3ya42_Xuu276dDnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks very much  David Reigle-ji .

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:51 AM David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Of course, the references that Prof. Paturi gave to ?a?kar?c?rya's
> etymological interpretations of the word m?y?, drawn from his father's
> commentary on the *Vivekac???ma?i*, do not come from the *Vivekac???ma?i*.
> They come from ?a?kar?c?rya's commentary on the *Bhagavadg?t?*, chapter
> 15, verse 16, and from ?a?kar?c?rya's commentary on the *M????kyopani?ad*
> and Gau?ap?da's *K?rik?*, chapter 3, verse 24. Both of these commentaries
> are regarded by scholars such as Sengaku Mayeda as being by the same ?a?kar
> ?c?rya who is the author of the *Brahmas?trabh??ya*.
>
> "The Authenticity of the Bhagavadg?t?bh??ya Ascribed to ?a?kara," *Wiener
> Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?d- und Ostasiens*, vol. 9, 1965, pp. 155-197.
>
> "On the Author of the M????kyopani?ad- and the Gau?ap?d?ya-bh??ya," *Adyar
> Library Bulletin*, vols. 31-32, 1967-68, pp. 73-94.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Reigle
> Colorado, U.S.A.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:21 PM Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekac???ma?i* to do with
>> ?a?kara,
>>
>> the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*?
>>
>>
>>
>> Better hesitate, investigate and be careful with your reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes, Hartmut
>>
>>
>>
>> PS: Not to speak of contemporary, trans-national scholarship, but has
>> your
>>
>> respected father not been acquainted with (or perhaps rejected) the
>> research
>>
>> of ?r? Saccid?nandendrasarasvat? of Holenarsipur?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> >  *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to
>>> by ?a?kara himself, and especially
>>>  to those by which he refers to his own teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*,
>>> *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,
>>> ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
>>> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like
>>> the Buddhists).
>>>
>>> --- Not to contradict the view " ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?"
>>> , *but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word,
>>> resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father
>>> (Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka
>>> Chudamani,
>>>
>>> ?????? - ??????????????? - ??????????? ( ???????? ) ????????
>>> ????????????? - ??????????????????????????????????????? ( ????????? -15
>>> ??????? )
>>>
>>> ??????? - ????????????????? - ?????????????? ( ????? ????????????  -
>>> ???????????? ?????? 2)
>>>
>>> He seems to have taken ???? - ???? as the dhaatu for ???? . In words
>>> such as ??????? it has meanings related to  ????????????? ,  ??????? . as
>>> in ????????? above.
>>>
>>> In words such as ??????, it has meanings related to  ??????? ,  ??????
>>> as in ????????????????? above.
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Fri Apr 10 06:01:04 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 08:01:04 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <8278d4dff285d0be35160c22d030ff82@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <d470e71b838910e867272d63a347bb3f@univie.ac.at>

And Vasi??ha pointed out another problem:

?????????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?
???????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ?

?In times of Corona, o king, the borders of your reign are all guarded 
and closed. A horse sacrifice is not possible.?


Am 09.04.2020 11:18, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
> Lockdown in ancient Ayodhya:
> 
> ???????????????????? ?????????? ??? ?
> ?????? ?? ???? ????????????????? ????? ?
> 
> Vasi??ha pointed this out: ?In times of Corona, o king,
> even your army should stay at home. So don?t perform a horse 
> sacrifice!?
> 
> 
> Christian Ferstl
> 
> University of Vienna
> 
> 
> Am 08.04.2020 15:52, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
>> Dear Christian,
>> 
>> ??????????? ????????
>> ????? ?????? ? ?
>> ???????? ??????????
>> ??????????????? ??
>> 
>> Having given up all activities and their results, I have become
>> permanently homebound due to concern with the danger of the
>> Coronavirus.
>> 
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> 
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:01 AM Christian Ferstl
>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>> 
>>> ???????????????????
>>> ?????? ???????????? ?
>>> ?????????? ??????????
>>> ???????? ????????? ?
>>> 
>>> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
>>> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>>> 
>>> Christian Ferstl
>>> 
>>> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>>> 
>>>> ??????? ?????? ????????
>>>> ?????? ????????? ??????:
>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>> ????? ?????????????
>>>> ???????? ????? ???????:
>>> ??
>>>> 
>>>> Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
>>>> also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
>>>> 
>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>> 
>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From pcbisschop at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 10 06:48:30 2020
From: pcbisschop at googlemail.com (peter bisschop)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 08:48:30 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] position in Indology at the University of Groningen
Message-ID: <CACDreE-T9Tmh4WRXdKv6h4O8iTAQAyURsg=aWMCgDP0ZAqVY8A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

Apologies for cross-posting.

The University of Groningen, in cooperation with the J. Gonda Fund, is
opening up a position for Assistant Professor in Hinduism in the Sanskrit
Tradition, starting 1 September 2020:
https://www.rug.nl/about-ug/work-with-us/job-opportunities/?details=00347-02S0007PGP

For more information you can contact:
Dr. Hanneke Muthert, Head of the Department Comparative Study of Religion,
J.K.Muthert at rug.nl

Please share this information with anybody who might be interested.

Peter Bisschop
Leiden University


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From buescherhartmut at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 10:59:52 2020
From: buescherhartmut at gmail.com (Hartmut Buescher)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 12:59:52 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekbQF5+yiNpjJWOVwbQmwdPdqdVX-3V6PKAgunJFkizrEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGsvHi_fH=8SZaweu7NbjA6uHVmRHLZqyTQpZAwbxhU6rKn9RA@mail.gmail.com>

Probably, if somebody explicitly provides references to the sources of
given

quotations, everybody can understand these. Nobody denied ?a?kar?c?rya's

employment/interpretation of the term *m?y?* as such (to the contrary).

Mayeda?s old investigations of various works ascribed to ?a?kara being
well-known,

yet given that authorship studies often initiate, rather than conclude, the
given

issue, I?d rather be interested in learning about more recent studies
addressing

the authorship of the *Gau?ap?d?yabh??ya* particularly with a focus on how

significant technical terms were understood by respectively Gau?ap?da and

the author of this *B**h??ya*. That is, beyond Bouy?s unfortunately in some
respects

somewhat problematic Gau?ap?da monograph that has received an excellent
review

by J. Hanneder (Indo-Iranian Journal 46 [2003]: 161-165), who had to
conclude:

?To follow ?a?kara in sensitive interpretational details is philologically
and

historically inadmissible and B?s treatment of Gau?ap?da?s work is in this
respect

a step back to the outdated interpretation of Karmarkar?.



The mere differences of understanding technical terms and philosophical
intentions

between Gau?ap?da and the Bh??yak?ra would, however, not necessarily serve
to

reject ?a?kar?c?rya?s authorship of this *B**h??ya* (but then rather throw
some interesting

light on ?a?kara?s hermeneutical relationship to his, traditionally
speaking, Guru?s

Guru). Ironically somebody might even assert that twisting the meaning of
passages

in texts ?a?kara comments upon is actually part of his philosophical
trademark and,

e.g., refer to V. S. Ghate?s study of the BSBh, often taken as the
reference work for

evaluating the authorship of other works ascribed to ?a?kara.

Ghate (*The Ved?nta. A Study of the Brahma-s?tras with the Bh??yas of
?a?kara, *

*R?m?nuja, Nimb?rka, Madhva and Vallabha*, Poona, 3rd ed. 1981: 162)
stated:

?Thus we are quite justified in arriving at the conclusion that ?a?kara?s
doctrine

is out of count so far as the s?tras are concerned, whatever be its value
as a

philosophical system?.



Apparently, Nagaraj Paturi had personal reasons for not at all addressing
my questions

to him; no need to pursue this issue. If I remember correctly, even Hacker
(relying on

colophons, while deviating from his own proper principles of investigation)
accepted

the traditional view (particularly in ???geri, cf. hereto Peter
Stephan, *Erl?sung
im *

*Spannungsfeld von aktivem Leben und Entsagung. Eine Studie zu **?a?kar**as
Exegese *

*der Bhagavadg?t?*. Aachen 2002: 99) of ascribing the authorship of the
*Vivekac???ma?i*

to ?a?kara. Otherwise, among others (as referred to), ?r?
Saccid?nandendrasarasvat?

of Holenarsipur, who considered such an ascription as na?ve (
*avic?rarama??yat?*; cf.

his *Vedanta-Prakriya Pratyabhijna*, Holenarsipur 1964: 13), providing good
reasons,

and argued for ascribing that work to ?r? ?a?kar?nanda.



Kind regards, Hartmut



On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:22 AM David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Of course, the references that Prof. Paturi gave to ?a?kar?c?rya's
> etymological interpretations of the word m?y?, drawn from his father's
> commentary on the *Vivekac???ma?i*, do not come from the *Vivekac???ma?i*.
> They come from ?a?kar?c?rya's commentary on the *Bhagavadg?t?*, chapter
> 15, verse 16, and from ?a?kar?c?rya's commentary on the *M????kyopani?ad*
> and Gau?ap?da's *K?rik?*, chapter 3, verse 24. Both of these commentaries
> are regarded by scholars such as Sengaku Mayeda as being by the same ?a?kar
> ?c?rya who is the author of the *Brahmas?trabh??ya*.
>
> "The Authenticity of the Bhagavadg?t?bh??ya Ascribed to ?a?kara," *Wiener
> Zeitschrift f?r die Kunde S?d- und Ostasiens*, vol. 9, 1965, pp. 155-197.
>
> "On the Author of the M????kyopani?ad- and the Gau?ap?d?ya-bh??ya," *Adyar
> Library Bulletin*, vols. 31-32, 1967-68, pp. 73-94.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Reigle
> Colorado, U.S.A.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:21 PM Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> But what, dear Nagaraj Paturi, has the *Vivekac???ma?i* to do with
>> ?a?kara,
>>
>> the author of *Brahmas?trabh??ya*?
>>
>>
>>
>> Better hesitate, investigate and be careful with your reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes, Hartmut
>>
>>
>>
>> PS: Not to speak of contemporary, trans-national scholarship, but has
>> your
>>
>> respected father not been acquainted with (or perhaps rejected) the
>> research
>>
>> of ?r? Saccid?nandendrasarasvat? of Holenarsipur?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> >  *m?y?v?da* indeed does not to belong to the many *v?da*s alluded to
>>> by ?a?kara himself, and especially
>>>  to those by which he refers to his own teaching (*veda-*, *ved?nta-*,
>>> *brahma-*, *?tma-v?da*). As pointed out by Paul Hacker,
>>> ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?* (at least in the
>>> *Brahmas?trabh??ya*), but mostly uses the term in similes (much like
>>> the Buddhists).
>>>
>>> --- Not to contradict the view " ?a?kara has no specific theory of *m?y?"
>>> , *but just to remember occasions where he gives meaning of the word,
>>> resorting to his favourite etymological approach, picking up from my father
>>> (Sitaramanjaneyulu Paturi)'s notes to his Telugu commentary on Viveka
>>> Chudamani,
>>>
>>> ?????? - ??????????????? - ??????????? ( ???????? ) ????????
>>> ????????????? - ??????????????????????????????????????? ( ????????? -15
>>> ??????? )
>>>
>>> ??????? - ????????????????? - ?????????????? ( ????? ????????????  -
>>> ???????????? ?????? 2)
>>>
>>> He seems to have taken ???? - ???? as the dhaatu for ???? . In words
>>> such as ??????? it has meanings related to  ????????????? ,  ??????? . as
>>> in ????????? above.
>>>
>>> In words such as ??????, it has meanings related to  ??????? ,  ??????
>>> as in ????????????????? above.
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Apr 10 13:24:31 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 06:24:31 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfdXxp5aYROmdpdfYQMj1uXbq7RarVbakC7Azidd8vQAw@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

?????????: ??????: ?????????????? ?? ??????? ???: ?
?????????????? ????? ??????: ??? ?? ??

The Brahmans and the (Buddhist/Jain) ascetics engage in hand-to-hand combat
with each other. Tell me how they could be bunched together during the
pandemic of the Coronavirus?

[P??ini 2.4.9 (????? ? ?????: ????????:) prescribes a sam?h?ra-dvandva
compound for those who are permanently opposed to each other. The stock
example of Sam?h?ra-Dvandva is ???????????????].

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Fri Apr 10 14:42:25 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 16:42:25 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <d470e71b838910e867272d63a347bb3f@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <ba4a9a1017d4890b27ba2e02dbe05de9@univie.ac.at>

Thanks to

a private note sent by Prof. Eli Franco, I change the last p?da to:
v?jimedho nv asa?bhava?, or even: hayamedha? nu m? k?th??, which makes 
Vasi??ha's words sound more archaic, doesn't it?


Christian

Am 10.04.2020 08:01, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
> And Vasi??ha pointed out another problem:
> 
> ?????????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?
> ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ?
> 
> ?In times of Corona, o king, the borders of your reign are all guarded
> and closed. A horse sacrifice is not possible.?
> 
> 
> Am 09.04.2020 11:18, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
>> Lockdown in ancient Ayodhya:
>> 
>> ???????????????????? ?????????? ??? ?
>> ?????? ?? ???? ????????????????? ????? ?
>> 
>> Vasi??ha pointed this out: ?In times of Corona, o king,
>> even your army should stay at home. So don?t perform a horse 
>> sacrifice!?
>> 
>> 
>> Christian Ferstl
>> 
>> University of Vienna
>> 
>> 
>> Am 08.04.2020 15:52, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
>>> Dear Christian,
>>> 
>>> ??????????? ????????
>>> ????? ?????? ? ?
>>> ???????? ??????????
>>> ??????????????? ??
>>> 
>>> Having given up all activities and their results, I have become
>>> permanently homebound due to concern with the danger of the
>>> Coronavirus.
>>> 
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> 
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:01 AM Christian Ferstl
>>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ???????????????????
>>>> ?????? ???????????? ?
>>>> ?????????? ??????????
>>>> ???????? ????????? ?
>>>> 
>>>> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
>>>> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>>>> 
>>>> Christian Ferstl
>>>> 
>>>> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>>>> 
>>>>> ??????? ?????? ????????
>>>>> ?????? ????????? ??????:
>>>> ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ????? ?????????????
>>>>> ???????? ????? ???????:
>>>> ??
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
>>>>> also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>> 
>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> 
>>>>> committee)
>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>>> options
>>>>> or unsubscribe)





From jemhouben at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 15:32:42 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 17:32:42 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <ba4a9a1017d4890b27ba2e02dbe05de9@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoCzKBYyUHg0PRX_8w7OujA+SDe5ZhuVgRk03heoUo_y2A@mail.gmail.com>

Alternatively for the second line:
???????? ????????????????????????????? ?

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 16:43, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Thanks to
>
> a private note sent by Prof. Eli Franco, I change the last p?da to:
> v?jimedho nv asa?bhava?, or even: hayamedha? nu m? k?th??, which makes
> Vasi??ha's words sound more archaic, doesn't it?
>
>
> Christian
>
> Am 10.04.2020 08:01, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
> > And Vasi??ha pointed out another problem:
> >
> > ?????????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?
> > ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ?
> >
> > ?In times of Corona, o king, the borders of your reign are all guarded
> > and closed. A horse sacrifice is not possible.?
> >
> >
> > Am 09.04.2020 11:18, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
> >> Lockdown in ancient Ayodhya:
> >>
> >> ???????????????????? ?????????? ??? ?
> >> ?????? ?? ???? ????????????????? ????? ?
> >>
> >> Vasi??ha pointed this out: ?In times of Corona, o king,
> >> even your army should stay at home. So don?t perform a horse
> >> sacrifice!?
> >>
> >>
> >> Christian Ferstl
> >>
> >> University of Vienna
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 08.04.2020 15:52, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
> >>> Dear Christian,
> >>>
> >>> ??????????? ????????
> >>> ????? ?????? ? ?
> >>> ???????? ??????????
> >>> ??????????????? ??
> >>>
> >>> Having given up all activities and their results, I have become
> >>> permanently homebound due to concern with the danger of the
> >>> Coronavirus.
> >>>
> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>
> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:01 AM Christian Ferstl
> >>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> ???????????????????
> >>>> ?????? ???????????? ?
> >>>> ?????????? ??????????
> >>>> ???????? ????????? ?
> >>>>
> >>>> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
> >>>> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
> >>>>
> >>>> Christian Ferstl
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> >>>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ??????? ?????? ????????
> >>>>> ?????? ????????? ??????:
> >>>> ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ????? ?????????????
> >>>>> ???????? ????? ???????:
> >>>> ??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
> >>>>> also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> >>>>
> >>>>> committee)
> >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
> >>>> options
> >>>>> or unsubscribe)
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
>


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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 15:58:17 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 17:58:17 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAGCGLoCzKBYyUHg0PRX_8w7OujA+SDe5ZhuVgRk03heoUo_y2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoCzcwV2yBT-YqvJKV5uL6+BsY0cSesPKPos6U5UYtQo=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Or, to be preferred metrically:
???????? ???????????????????????????? ?

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 17:32, Jan E.M. Houben <jemhouben at gmail.com> wrote:

> Alternatively for the second line:
> ???????? ????????????????????????????? ?
>
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 16:43, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to
>>
>> a private note sent by Prof. Eli Franco, I change the last p?da to:
>> v?jimedho nv asa?bhava?, or even: hayamedha? nu m? k?th??, which makes
>> Vasi??ha's words sound more archaic, doesn't it?
>>
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> Am 10.04.2020 08:01, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
>> > And Vasi??ha pointed out another problem:
>> >
>> > ?????????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?
>> > ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ?
>> >
>> > ?In times of Corona, o king, the borders of your reign are all guarded
>> > and closed. A horse sacrifice is not possible.?
>> >
>> >
>> > Am 09.04.2020 11:18, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
>> >> Lockdown in ancient Ayodhya:
>> >>
>> >> ???????????????????? ?????????? ??? ?
>> >> ?????? ?? ???? ????????????????? ????? ?
>> >>
>> >> Vasi??ha pointed this out: ?In times of Corona, o king,
>> >> even your army should stay at home. So don?t perform a horse
>> >> sacrifice!?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Christian Ferstl
>> >>
>> >> University of Vienna
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Am 08.04.2020 15:52, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
>> >>> Dear Christian,
>> >>>
>> >>> ??????????? ????????
>> >>> ????? ?????? ? ?
>> >>> ???????? ??????????
>> >>> ??????????????? ??
>> >>>
>> >>> Having given up all activities and their results, I have become
>> >>> permanently homebound due to concern with the danger of the
>> >>> Coronavirus.
>> >>>
>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >>>
>> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:01 AM Christian Ferstl
>> >>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> ???????????????????
>> >>>> ?????? ???????????? ?
>> >>>> ?????????? ??????????
>> >>>> ???????? ????????? ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
>> >>>> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Christian Ferstl
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> >>>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ??????? ?????? ????????
>> >>>>> ?????? ????????? ??????:
>> >>>> ?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ????? ?????????????
>> >>>>> ???????? ????? ???????:
>> >>>> ??
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
>> >>>>> also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> >>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> >>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> >>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> committee)
>> >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>> >>>> options
>> >>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *Jan E.M. Houben*
>
> Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology
>
> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
>
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)
>
> *Sciences historiques et philologiques *
>
> *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*
>
> *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
> <https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben>*
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From raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it  Fri Apr 10 18:35:57 2020
From: raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it (Raffaele Torella)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 20:35:57 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_=C5=9Aridhara_on_PDS?=
In-Reply-To: <582FE34A-6059-4DBC-9D65-33F4F34CBFBB@uniroma1.it>
Message-ID: <1C295BC5-F7B0-42A3-9087-06BDCCB77D5D@uniroma1.it>

I wish to heartily thank Vincent Eltschinger, Dmitry Olenev and Suhas Mahesh (and also an ?anonymous? donor?). 

Then, very special thanks are due to Dominik for creating this unique e-pa??itasabh?, so generous and always ready to help!

Buona Pasqua!
Raffaele

> Il giorno 09 apr 2020, alle ore 14:53, Raffaele Torella <raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it> ha scritto:
> 
> Dear Colleagues,
> in spite of my efforts I have not been able to find the e-text of ?ridhara?s commentary on Pad?rthadharmasa?graha. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Warm regards
> Raffaele Torella
> 
> Prof. Raffaele Torella
> Chair of Sanskrit
> Sapienza University of Rome
> www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella <http://www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella>
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 22:10:45 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 18:10:45 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help needed translating tantric verse
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o_2ONe-WZ-Xb94T4YooCyRYfe=MYfm1bKiibTqEy0zUwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Verse 2 of the kuNDalinI stavaH is:

rakt?bh?m?tacandrik? lipimay? sarp?k?tir nidrit?

j?gratk?rmasam??rit? bhagavati tva? m?? sam?lokaya |

m??sodgandhakugandhado?aja?ita? ved?dik?ry?nvita?

svalpasv?malacandrako?ikira?air nitya? ?ar?ra? kuru || 2 ||


I'm uncertain on how to translate j?gratk?rmasam??rit? in line 2.

The only (farfetched thought?) I have is that k?rma  refers to the n??i
that carries the energy that closes the eyes and therefor refers to the
sleeping state, so that the phrase means "who abides in the waking and
sleeping states".

Any help in translating this phrase would be appreciated.

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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 03:14:16 2020
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (Girish Jha)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 08:44:16 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAGCGLoCzcwV2yBT-YqvJKV5uL6+BsY0cSesPKPos6U5UYtQo=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdrZG0mjZrVJF84X=eNd6rHrgmkMjAfHmaSuNaHwnYk3cT7Yw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues
Whether ???????? is a ??? ??????.If not,it is difficult to derive in my
view.I have not seen this usage.Please clarify.
Girish K.Jha

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 21:29 Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Or, to be preferred metrically:
> ???????? ???????????????????????????? ?
>
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 17:32, Jan E.M. Houben <jemhouben at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alternatively for the second line:
>> ???????? ????????????????????????????? ?
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 16:43, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to
>>>
>>> a private note sent by Prof. Eli Franco, I change the last p?da to:
>>> v?jimedho nv asa?bhava?, or even: hayamedha? nu m? k?th??, which makes
>>> Vasi??ha's words sound more archaic, doesn't it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> Am 10.04.2020 08:01, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
>>> > And Vasi??ha pointed out another problem:
>>> >
>>> > ?????????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?
>>> > ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ?
>>> >
>>> > ?In times of Corona, o king, the borders of your reign are all guarded
>>> > and closed. A horse sacrifice is not possible.?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Am 09.04.2020 11:18, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
>>> >> Lockdown in ancient Ayodhya:
>>> >>
>>> >> ???????????????????? ?????????? ??? ?
>>> >> ?????? ?? ???? ????????????????? ????? ?
>>> >>
>>> >> Vasi??ha pointed this out: ?In times of Corona, o king,
>>> >> even your army should stay at home. So don?t perform a horse
>>> >> sacrifice!?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Christian Ferstl
>>> >>
>>> >> University of Vienna
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Am 08.04.2020 15:52, schrieb Madhav Deshpande:
>>> >>> Dear Christian,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ??????????? ????????
>>> >>> ????? ?????? ? ?
>>> >>> ???????? ??????????
>>> >>> ??????????????? ??
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Having given up all activities and their results, I have become
>>> >>> permanently homebound due to concern with the danger of the
>>> >>> Coronavirus.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:01 AM Christian Ferstl
>>> >>> <christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> ???????????????????
>>> >>>> ?????? ???????????? ?
>>> >>>> ?????????? ??????????
>>> >>>> ???????? ????????? ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "This is astonishing", said the mendicants and pilgrims,
>>> >>>> "that nowadays everyone has become a householder!"
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Christian Ferstl
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Am 07.04.2020 15:14, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>> >>>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ??????? ?????? ????????
>>> >>>>> ?????? ????????? ??????:
>>> >>>> ?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ????? ?????????????
>>> >>>>> ???????? ????? ???????:
>>> >>>> ??
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Seeing the frightening Corona, the wise Bibhishana, leaving Lanka,
>>> >>>>> also went to Ayodhya along with Rama.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> >>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> >>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> >>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> committee)
>>> >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>> >>>> options
>>> >>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Jan E.M. Houben*
>>
>> Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology
>>
>> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
>>
>> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)
>>
>> *Sciences historiques et philologiques *
>>
>> *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*
>>
>> *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
>> <https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben>*
>>
>
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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 03:25:03 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 21:25:03 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81lacakra_etexts=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfaMNxqpg9Pg7-chuDaNMK06jo-2xOD8jYFoW2G7jYKzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekZbA8u=rBjPAvRfhJfZTM_NtkSd9Ux4yXUe3XgNeeLq8w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Madhav,

Nice anecdote about Pandit Jagannatha Upadhyaya giving a talk in Sanskrit
at the University of Michigan and you translating it for the audience. I
just found in his Academic Profile published in *?rama?a Vidy?: Studies in
Buddhism, Prof. Jagannath Upadhyaya Commemoration Volume* (1987), that the
title of this talk was: "Importance of Buddhism in Indological Studies." I
wonder if his talk and your translation of it was recorded. If so, I would
love to hear it.

He also gave a talk in Sanskrit at University of California, Berkeley.
Robert Goldman translated it for the audience. It was recorded and was (is
still?) available from the Language Lab there. He spoke slowly and clearly;
a joy to listen to for those (like me) who are not accustomed to spoken
Sanskrit.

I personally feel much admiration for him, and have much appreciation for
what he did. It was he who undertook and launched the project to publish
the great *Vimalaprabh?* commentary on the *K?lacakra-tantra*. The editor
of his commemoration volume, N. H. Samtani, called him the first Bauddha ?c?rya
of modern India ("In Memorium").

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 1:29 PM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Dear David,
>
>      Your scan of the edition by Jagannatha Upadhyaya triggered my memory
> of his visit to the University of Michigan probably sometime in the 1980s.
> He gave a talk in Sanskrit and I translated it into English for the
> audience.  Best,
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>


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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 04:02:35 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 20 22:02:35 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81lacakra_etexts=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKA8X41CMNz0aki71cqaJDeo9qP33dz25gOt7c1V4VjXZLD-ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekZ0FtkuxsJWb+3+CxFmqrDVDcf5o0kidu3K4UpcZu3jMA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear James,

Chapter 5 of the *K?lacakra-tantra* is the hardest chapter, as you well
know, since you translated it. While it is always necessary to compare
"the" Tibetan translation when editing or proofreading a Sanskrit text such
as this one, here two Tibetan translations must be compared. So it will
take some time.

As you probably know, the Tibetan translation of the *K?lacakra-tantra*
made by Soman?tha and 'Bro lotsawa as revised by Shong ston is found
in the Lithang,
Narthang, Der-ge, Co-ne, Urga, and Lhasa blockprint recensions of the
Kangyur, and also in a recension with annotations by Bu ston. This Shong
revision was then further revised by the two Jonang translators Blo gros
rgyal mtshan and Blo gros dpal bzang po. The Jonang revision is found in
the Yunglo and Peking blockprint recensions of the Kangyur, and also in a
recension with annotations by Phyogs las rnam rgyal.

A comparison of these two Tibetan versions with the Sanskrit is interesting
and helpful, but time-consuming.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.


On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:40 AM James Hartzell <james.hartzell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear David
>
> If you do make your input version of the *K?lacakra-tantra *available at
> some point I would be grateful for a copy, particularly of Chapter 5.
>
> Cheers
> James
>
>
>


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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Sat Apr 11 06:29:52 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 08:29:52 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfdXxp5aYROmdpdfYQMj1uXbq7RarVbakC7Azidd8vQAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26c8abe6416234df6153fa1891baa084@univie.ac.at>

Coronavirus lockdown in the Dandaka Forest:

???? ??????????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ?
??????? ???????????? ?? ??? ????????????? ?

Rama reassured Sita: ?Don?t be afraid, daughter of Janaka!
The demons will not come. Even they are captive in their own houses.?


Christian Ferstl


Am 10.04.2020 15:24, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ?????????: ??????:
> ?????????????? ??
> ??????? ???: ?
> 
> ?????????????? ?????
> ??????: ??? ?? ??
> 
> The Brahmans and the (Buddhist/Jain) ascetics engage in hand-to-hand
> combat with each other. Tell me how they could be bunched together
> during the pandemic of the Coronavirus?
> 
> [P??ini 2.4.9 (????? ? ?????:
> ????????:) prescribes a sam?h?ra-dvandva compound
> for those who are permanently opposed to each other. The stock example
> of Sam?h?ra-Dvandva is
> ???????????????].
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr  Sat Apr 11 09:00:52 2020
From: kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Agathe Keller)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 09:00:52 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] therapeutic dances
Message-ID: <etPan.5e918743.541d953c.c105@univ-paris-diderot.fr>

Dear colleagues,

A student of mine is interested in traditions of therapeutic dances that would have existed/exist in South Asia.
We would be greatful to any pointers on such a  subject that I admit being totally ignorant of.

with all best in these trying times,

Agathe

Agathe Keller

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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 09:25:09 2020
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 11:25:09 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81lacakra_etexts=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekZ0FtkuxsJWb+3+CxFmqrDVDcf5o0kidu3K4UpcZu3jMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4+WLKJqaJnPyk7bHw=NTQV8-3vSZmepj1bxR_WTRWzcZA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear David, dear Friends,

As always, David, your indications are most valuable. In one small respect
however we now have a most wonderful resource which can enhance our use of
canonical Tibetan materials, namely the database of the Resources for
Kanjur Tanjur Studies from Vienna, conceived by Helmut Tauscher, built by
Bruno Lain? and now also with the collaboration of Markus Viehbeck.
Regarding the two versions of the K?lacakra mentioned, there are further
sources now available than those mentioned by David (no doubt on the basis
of his extensive notes built in the days when we had only paper catalogues).
See
https://www.istb.univie.ac.at/kanjur/rktsneu/verif/verif2.php?id=362

https://www.istb.univie.ac.at/kanjur/rktsneu/verif/verif2.php?id=364

My own project (openphilology.eu) is working with partners including the
Vienna project and Esukhia (https://esukhia.net/) toward full digitization
of the Tibetan corpora, although that goal is still a bit in the future.
Ultimately we hope that all canonical collections will be available not
only in scans (which for most witnesses can already be accessed via the
Vienna site) but also in unicode. (See in this regard already the very
valuable https://adarsha.dharma-treasure.org/home/kangyur).

Haappy reading!

Jonathan

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:35 AM David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear James,
>
> Chapter 5 of the *K?lacakra-tantra* is the hardest chapter, as you well
> know, since you translated it. While it is always necessary to compare
> "the" Tibetan translation when editing or proofreading a Sanskrit text such
> as this one, here two Tibetan translations must be compared. So it will
> take some time.
>
> As you probably know, the Tibetan translation of the *K?lacakra-tantra*
> made by Soman?tha and 'Bro lotsawa as revised by Shong ston is found in
> the Lithang, Narthang, Der-ge, Co-ne, Urga, and Lhasa blockprint
> recensions of the Kangyur, and also in a recension with annotations by Bu
> ston. This Shong revision was then further revised by the two Jonang
> translators Blo gros rgyal mtshan and Blo gros dpal bzang po. The Jonang
> revision is found in the Yunglo and Peking blockprint recensions of the
> Kangyur, and also in a recension with annotations by Phyogs las rnam rgyal
> .
>
> A comparison of these two Tibetan versions with the Sanskrit is
> interesting and helpful, but time-consuming.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Reigle
> Colorado, U.S.A.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:40 AM James Hartzell <james.hartzell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear David
>>
>> If you do make your input version of the *K?lacakra-tantra *available at
>> some point I would be grateful for a copy, particularly of Chapter 5.
>>
>> Cheers
>> James
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 10:02:28 2020
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 12:02:28 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] therapeutic dances
In-Reply-To: <etPan.5e918743.541d953c.c105@univ-paris-diderot.fr>
Message-ID: <3edb5087-1f60-ccb3-1cce-f0814e0ae7a9@gmail.com>

Dear Agathe,

you could start in Sri Lanka, where diseases are cured by means of 
ritual dances (sanniya-yakuma)

see Wirz 1954 Exorcism And The Art Of Healing In Ceylon =

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.71070


Heiner


Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch




Am 11.04.2020 um 11:00 schrieb Agathe Keller via INDOLOGY:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> A student of mine is interested in traditions of therapeutic dances 
> that would have existed/exist in South Asia.
> We would be greatful to any pointers on such a ?subject that I admit 
> being totally ignorant of.
>
> with all best in these trying times,
>
> Agathe
>
> Agathe Keller
>
> *Service public de l?enseignement et de la recherche*
> *
> *
> *Public service for research and teaching *
>
>
> ?Laboratoire?SPHERE (UMR 7219)
> tel : +33 1 57 27 68 87
> Postal Address :
> Case 7093
> 5 rue Thomas Mann
> 75205 PARIS CEDEX 13
> France
>
> Parcels:?B?timent Condorcet
> ?10 rue A.Domont et L.Duquet
> 75013 PARIS
> 3? ?tage bureau 387A
>
> Office:?B?timent Olympe de Gouges
> Place Paul Ricoeur
> 75013 PARIS
> 6th floor office 628
>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Apr 11 13:41:23 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 06:41:23 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfAQKjunX4BBPNf28rTHEdCg9j5mFtR_e=uAPbQbJ8sLA@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

???? ???????? ?????: ??????? ?????????? ?
???????????????? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????

Those who are tied down by the fear of the Coronavirus will find freedom
when fate, God or a doctor will destroy it.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 15:04:00 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 11:04:00 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help needed translating tantric verse
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o_2ONe-WZ-Xb94T4YooCyRYfe=MYfm1bKiibTqEy0zUwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o-iJZ5BMxhNHurLhcyCQ+r3fzU4aFiHOh2UuN87uDCVHg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you to those who replied off-list.  I've received two very different
views of the meaning of

 j?grat-k?rma-sam?rit? in the verse which I've summarized below.


VIEW 1


     The Bhagavadg?t? uses the example of K?rma for a state of the complete
withdrawal of the senses:


*yad? sa?harate c?ya? k?rmo' ?g?n?va sarva?a? /*

*indriy???ndriy?rthebhyas tasya praj?? prati??hit? // 2.58//*


     Such a state would contrast with the state referred to by the word
*j?grat*.  Thus, it seems refer to the state of focusing inward.  I am not
quite sure if you would call it sleep, or more likely a conscious
concentration that directs awareness inwards.


Perhaps it means "she who abides in both the waking state and the state of
complete withdrawal of senses."


-------------------------------------------------------------------------


VIEW 2

I think that k?rma here refers to the microcosmic equivalent of the
tortoise that supports the world. I V know of any clear references to this
idea in texts, but one often sees Ku??alin? supported by a tortoise in
?cakra scrolls? from the 17th century onwards. See the attached image for
an example.


That still leaves j?grat, which seems odd here. One would want it to
contrast with nidrit?, i.e. to make a distinction between Ku??alin? when
asleep and awake, but that would require j?grat?. So I think one has to
understand the compound as meaning ?situated on a waking tortoise?.

---------------------------------------------------------------


Thanks,

Harry Spier



On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:10 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> Verse 2 of the kuNDalinI stavaH is:
>
> rakt?bh?m?tacandrik? lipimay? sarp?k?tir nidrit?
>
> j?gratk?rmasam??rit? bhagavati tva? m?? sam?lokaya |
>
> m??sodgandhakugandhado?aja?ita? ved?dik?ry?nvita?
>
> svalpasv?malacandrako?ikira?air nitya? ?ar?ra? kuru || 2 ||
>
>
> I'm uncertain on how to translate j?gratk?rmasam??rit? in line 2.
>
> The only (farfetched thought?) I have is that k?rma  refers to the n??i
> that carries the energy that closes the eyes and therefor refers to the
> sleeping state, so that the phrase means "who abides in the waking and
> sleeping states".
>
> Any help in translating this phrase would be appreciated.
>
> Harry Spier
>
>
>


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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 15:40:13 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 11:40:13 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] CORRECTION: Help needed translating tantric verse
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o-iJZ5BMxhNHurLhcyCQ+r3fzU4aFiHOh2UuN87uDCVHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o_CFAET=dLoeLL2Uob+v726a1Jr4dvjH1BEEVbRGgkZkw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you to those who replied off-list.  I've received two very different
views of the meaning of

 j?grat-k?rma-sam?rit? in the verse which I've summarized below.


VIEW 1


     The Bhagavadg?t? uses the example of K?rma for a state of the complete
withdrawal of the senses:


*yad? sa?harate c?ya? k?rmo' ?g?n?va sarva?a? /*

*indriy???ndriy?rthebhyas tasya praj?? prati??hit? // 2.58//*


     Such a state would contrast with the state referred to by the word
*j?grat*.  Thus, it seems refer to the state of focusing inward.  I am not
quite sure if you would call it sleep, or more likely a conscious
concentration that directs awareness inwards.


Perhaps it means "she who abides in both the waking state and the state of
complete withdrawal of senses."


-------------------------------------------------------------------------


VIEW 2

I think that k?rma here refers to the microcosmic equivalent of the
tortoise that supports the world. I don?t know of any clear references to
this idea in texts, but one often sees Ku??alin? supported by a tortoise in
?cakra scrolls? from the 17th century onwards. See the attached image for
an example.

That still leaves j?grat, which seems odd here. One would want it to
contrast with nidrit?, i.e. to make a distinction between Ku??alin? when
asleep and awake, but that would require j?grat?. So I think one has to
understand the compound as meaning ?situated on a waking

---------------------------------------------------------------


Thanks,

Harry Spier



On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:10 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> Verse 2 of the kuNDalinI stavaH is:
>
> rakt?bh?m?tacandrik? lipimay? sarp?k?tir nidrit?
>
> j?gratk?rmasam??rit? bhagavati tva? m?? sam?lokaya |
>
> m??sodgandhakugandhado?aja?ita? ved?dik?ry?nvita?
>
> svalpasv?malacandrako?ikira?air nitya? ?ar?ra? kuru || 2 ||
>
>
> I'm uncertain on how to translate j?gratk?rmasam??rit? in line 2.
>
> The only (farfetched thought?) I have is that k?rma  refers to the n??i
> that carries the energy that closes the eyes and therefor refers to the
> sleeping state, so that the phrase means "who abides in the waking and
> sleeping states".
>
> Any help in translating this phrase would be appreciated.
>
> Harry Spier
>
>
>


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From aparpola at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 16:01:34 2020
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 19:01:34 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] CORRECTION: Help needed translating tantric verse
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o_CFAET=dLoeLL2Uob+v726a1Jr4dvjH1BEEVbRGgkZkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7E0FF73-AAB1-465C-B73F-A7828355BC95@gmail.com>

Dear Harry,

Please read the whole Chapter 16 ?Astronomy, Time-Reckoning, and Cosmology? of my book ?The Roots of Hinduism? (OUP 2015) for evidence on the basis of which I suggest that the basic ideas of the Ku??alin?-yoga and the tortoise as representing the setting/night sun (and the yogi restraining his senses) go back to the Indus Civilization.

With best wishes,  Asko Parpola 

> On 11 Apr 2020, at 18.40, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you to those who replied off-list.  I've received two very different views of the meaning of 
>  j?grat-k?rma-sam?rit? in the verse which I've summarized below.
> 
> VIEW 1
> 
>      The Bhagavadg?t? uses the example of K?rma for a state of the complete withdrawal of the senses:
> 
> yad? sa?harate c?ya? k?rmo' ?g?n?va sarva?a? /
> indriy???ndriy?rthebhyas tasya praj?? prati??hit? // 2.58//
> 
>      Such a state would contrast with the state referred to by the word j?grat.  Thus, it seems refer to the state of focusing inward.  I am not quite sure if you would call it sleep, or more likely a conscious concentration that directs awareness inwards.
> 
> Perhaps it means "she who abides in both the waking state and the state of complete withdrawal of senses."
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> VIEW 2
> I think that k?rma here refers to the microcosmic equivalent of the tortoise that supports the world. I don?t know of any clear references to this idea in texts, but one often sees Ku??alin? supported by a tortoise in ?cakra scrolls? from the 17th century onwards. See the attached image for an example.
> 
> That still leaves j?grat, which seems odd here. One would want it to contrast with nidrit?, i.e. to make a distinction between Ku??alin? when asleep and awake, but that would require j?grat?. So I think one has to understand the compound as meaning ?situated on a waking
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Harry Spier
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:10 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com <mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear list members,
> Verse 2 of the kuNDalinI stavaH is:
> rakt?bh?m?tacandrik? lipimay? sarp?k?tir nidrit?
> j?gratk?rmasam??rit? bhagavati tva? m?? sam?lokaya |
> m??sodgandhakugandhado?aja?ita? ved?dik?ry?nvita?
> 
> svalpasv?malacandrako?ikira?air nitya? ?ar?ra? kuru || 2 ||
> 
> I'm uncertain on how to translate j?gratk?rmasam??rit? in line 2.
> The only (farfetched thought?) I have is that k?rma  refers to the n??i that carries the energy that closes the eyes and therefor refers to the sleeping state, so that the phrase means "who abides in the waking and sleeping states".
> Any help in translating this phrase would be appreciated.
> Harry Spier
> 
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Sat Apr 11 18:21:58 2020
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 18:21:58 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF
Message-ID: <CB36D1D5-337B-4B9D-83F1-8763C48F4FB0@austin.utexas.edu>

Would someone have an electronic copy of the following? I have a hard copy, but a colleagues (in isolation now) needs an electronic one.. Thanks.

Patrick

L. Renou. (1955). "Remarques sur la Ch?ndogya Upani?ad." ?tude V?dique et P??inin?ennes. Vol 1.  pp. 91-102.


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From c.ram-prasad at lancaster.ac.uk  Sat Apr 11 20:32:21 2020
From: c.ram-prasad at lancaster.ac.uk (Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 20:32:21 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Krishnamoorthy,_N=C4=81tya=C5=9B=C4=81stra?=
Message-ID: <LNXP265MB1484839A3C65756F7865BEE99CDF0@LNXP265MB1484.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear all,
Tall ask, but one never knows with this kalpataru:
Would anyone have a soft copy (interlibary loans being impossible with libraries shut...) of
N?tya??stra of Bharata, with the Abhinavabh?rati of Abhinavagupta, v. 1, 4th ed. Ed. K. Krishnamoorthy. Baroda: Oriental Institute, 1992?

Thank you,
Ram

Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad
Fellow of the British Academy
Distinguished Professor of Comparative Religion and Philosophy
Department of Politics, Philosophy and Religion
Lancaster University
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From rsalomon at uw.edu  Sat Apr 11 21:32:08 2020
From: rsalomon at uw.edu (Richard G. Salomon)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 14:32:08 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for two articles
Message-ID: <CA+bmU3Z6eCDL61wSPtb20PF6SS9e2s_LnuRjOcjGzNfe7UsqVg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Because my university library is closed indefinitely, I have been unable to
access the following two articles, and also have not succeeded in locating
them online. If anyone has copies of them, or access to them, or knows how
to get online access, I would appreciate the assistance:

1. V.V. Mirashi, "Mandasor Fragmentary Inscription of Kum?ravarman," *Journal
of the Oriental Institute (Baroda)* 32, 1983, pp. 70-75.
2. D.C. Sircar, "King Kum?ravarman of Da?apura," in S.D. Joshi, ed.,
*Amr?t?dh?ra:
Professor R.N. Dandekar Felicitation Volume *(Delhi: Ajanta Publications,
1984), pp. 391-94.

Thanks in advance,
Rich Salomon


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 21:50:49 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 15:50:49 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for two articles
In-Reply-To: <CA+bmU3Z6eCDL61wSPtb20PF6SS9e2s_LnuRjOcjGzNfe7UsqVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdfME0zKLcNGnsPDoZy1Rp0tDatAigKLA=Pt8fLfFsoxg@mail.gmail.com>

https://archive.org/details/amrtadharaprofes0005unse  for the Dandekar vol.



On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 15:36, Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> Because my university library is closed indefinitely, I have been unable
> to access the following two articles, and also have not succeeded in
> locating them online. If anyone has copies of them, or access to them, or
> knows how to get online access, I would appreciate the assistance:
>
> 1. V.V. Mirashi, "Mandasor Fragmentary Inscription of Kum?ravarman," *Journal
> of the Oriental Institute (Baroda)* 32, 1983, pp. 70-75.
> 2. D.C. Sircar, "King Kum?ravarman of Da?apura," in S.D. Joshi, ed., *Amr?t?dh?ra:
> Professor R.N. Dandekar Felicitation Volume *(Delhi: Ajanta Publications,
> 1984), pp. 391-94.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Rich Salomon
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Apr 11 23:05:52 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 16:05:52 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Krishnamoorthy,_N=C4=81tya=C5=9B=C4=81stra?=
In-Reply-To: <LNXP265MB1484839A3C65756F7865BEE99CDF0@LNXP265MB1484.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdMO_2jayn5wV7Ur9n+jy=XbFCCAMmKurhbZz-yv5Ajqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Ram,

     I have sent this pdf to you using WeTransfer.  Please let me know if
you received it and if it helps.  Best wishes,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:33 PM Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear all,
> Tall ask, but one never knows with this kalpataru:
> Would anyone have a soft copy (interlibary loans being impossible with
> libraries shut...) of
> N?tya??stra of Bharata, with the Abhinavabh?rati of Abhinavagupta, v. 1,
> 4th ed. Ed. K. Krishnamoorthy. Baroda: Oriental Institute, 1992?
>
> Thank you,
> Ram
>
> Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad
> Fellow of the British Academy
> Distinguished Professor of Comparative Religion and Philosophy
> Department of Politics, Philosophy and Religion
> Lancaster University
> UK
> _______________________________________________
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 23:11:46 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 01:11:46 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAKdrZG0mjZrVJF84X=eNd6rHrgmkMjAfHmaSuNaHwnYk3cT7Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoDFHUWGk1S0h9+7NQM+EWPyr3r=XyfpA-QcLRPkCVBLrw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Prof. Jha,
No ??i-status required: it is not that difficult to derive *y?ji* as action
noun from *yaj* ?to venerate (ritually)?, ?to sacrifice? (hence having a
meaning equivalent to another action noun derived from *yaj*: *yaj?a*
'(ritualized)
veneration', 'sacrifice').
See P??ini?s A???dhy?y? 3.3.110 *vibh???khy?napra?nayor i? ca* and the
K??ik?.
If I understood correctly, Vasi??ha is replying to a question of king
Da?aratha, so the form could probably be justified in the context of the
story ;)
In addition, there is U??dis?tra p?da 4, s?tra ca. 124-134 (depending on
the edition): *vasivapiyaji...v?ribhya i?*.
Commentaries give here examples of mostly feminine action nouns, but in the
case of *y?ji* some commentaries explain the meaning, exceptionally, as an
agent noun : sacrificer. ?abdakalpadruma vol. 4 p. 31 gives *y?ji* as a
masculine noun and notes that it means sacrifice, but acc. to another
authority: sacrificer. Wackernagel AiG Band 2, 2 p. 301 mentions an
occurrence of *y?ji *(also in Hauschild's Register p. 190) in the sense
'offering' ('das Opfern') in Manu 10.79, but this must be a mistake for
*yaji* which I see in all editions available to me and which, unlike *y?ji*,
gives a correct metre.
Best regards,
Jan Houben

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 05:14, Girish Jha <jhakgirish at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear colleagues
> Whether ???????? is a ??? ??????.If not,it is difficult to derive in my
> view.I have not seen this usage.Please clarify.
> Girish K.Jha
>
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 21:29 Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY, <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Or, to be preferred metrically:
>> ???????? ???????????????????????????? ?
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 17:32, Jan E.M. Houben <jemhouben at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Alternatively for the second line:
>>> ???????? ????????????????????????????? ?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 16:43, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to
>>>>
>>>> a private note sent by Prof. Eli Franco, I change the last p?da to:
>>>> v?jimedho nv asa?bhava?, or even: hayamedha? nu m? k?th??, which makes
>>>> Vasi??ha's words sound more archaic, doesn't it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.04.2020 08:01, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
>>>> > And Vasi??ha pointed out another problem:
>>>> >
>>>> > ?????????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?
>>>> > ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ?
>>>> >
>>>> > ?In times of Corona, o king, the borders of your reign are all guarded
>>>> > and closed. A horse sacrifice is not possible.?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Am 09.04.2020 11:18, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
>>>> >> Lockdown in ancient Ayodhya:
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Apr 11 23:29:27 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 20 16:29:27 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for two articles
In-Reply-To: <CA+bmU3Z6eCDL61wSPtb20PF6SS9e2s_LnuRjOcjGzNfe7UsqVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzeECpX7WNtnWwrns70c2xmJNFSOLojU05prrMMWi1iZwg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Rich,

     I have the Amr?tadh?r? volume in print copy.  In case you don't
receive a pdf from some source, I can scan this article for you.  Let me
know.  Best,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:36 PM Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> Because my university library is closed indefinitely, I have been unable
> to access the following two articles, and also have not succeeded in
> locating them online. If anyone has copies of them, or access to them, or
> knows how to get online access, I would appreciate the assistance:
>
> 1. V.V. Mirashi, "Mandasor Fragmentary Inscription of Kum?ravarman," *Journal
> of the Oriental Institute (Baroda)* 32, 1983, pp. 70-75.
> 2. D.C. Sircar, "King Kum?ravarman of Da?apura," in S.D. Joshi, ed., *Amr?t?dh?ra:
> Professor R.N. Dandekar Felicitation Volume *(Delhi: Ajanta Publications,
> 1984), pp. 391-94.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Rich Salomon
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 23:52:30 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 01:52:30 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Claus Oetke
In-Reply-To: <58f32df4-5a0d-23a1-d350-557ba77a5b63@mcgill.ca>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoDxmZg=Wex+x8R23A6f1Qo-4tPtrqpFTsJod+3QVq4OpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Very sorry to learn of the untimely passing away of Prof. Claus Oetke of
whom I have lively memories since the last World Sanskrit Conference in
Australia (the one in Melbourne) and several other occasions. His numerous
contributions to Indian philosophy, to Philosophy and to philosophical
argumentation are unforgettable. Condolences to his family and friends.
Jan Houben

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 02:12, Brendan S. Gillon, Prof. via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Thank you Eli for bringing this sad news to our attention. Claus is not
> someone to whom I immediately took, but over the years grew to
> appreciate both him and his ideas. I am very sad to learn of his death.
>
> Brendan
>
> On 2020-03-25 3:47 p.m., Eli Franco via INDOLOGY wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear List members,
> >
> > I am sad to inform you of the untimely death of Claus Oetke in an
> > accident that happened in Costa Rica, where he and his wife Cynthia
> > lived for the
> > last few years. This happened already last December, but I saw no
> > notice of it, neither here nor in the German Indology list.
> >
> > A short obituary can be found at
> >
> https://www.su.se/asia/in-memory-of-professor-claus-oetke-1947-2019-1.481872
> >
> >
> > Claus was a prolific writer. Some of his publications are available
> > online at
> > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Claus_Oetke
> >
> > His masterpiece was no doubt the monumental ??Ich? und das Ich:
> > Analytische Untersuchungen zur buddhistisch-brahmanischen
> > ?tmankontroverse? (1988). In this book, he applied Strawson?s theory
> > of person to the analysis of the concepts of ?tman and an?tman in the
> > Pali Canon and extensively analyzed the proofs of ?tman in the
> > brahmanical philosophical traditions. J.W. de Jong, not renowned for
> > his over-generous compliments, stated in his review that Oetke?s work
> > was the most important book ever written on the subject. This
> > evaluation probably still stands.
> > Claus published numerous monographs and articles, mostly on Indian
> > philosophy and dialectics, both of the Buddhist and Brahmanical
> > traditions. Of special interest are his "Zur Methode der Analyse
> > philosophischer Sutratexte: Die Pram???a Passagen der Nyayas?tren"
> > (1991) and several papers on N?g?rjuna, which unfortunately did not
> > crystalize into a full-length monograph. Unlike many Madhyamaka
> > specialists he maintained that Madhyamaka as presented in the writings
> > of N?g?rjuna holds a clear metaphysical position (namely, that from
> > the point of view of absolute reality, empirical reality or everyday
> > practice does not exist).
> >
> > Claus also had an unusual gift for languages. Next to the languages of
> > Buddhism (Sanskrit, Pali, Tibetan and Chinese; for a reason that I do
> > not recall, he refused to learn Japanese), he mastered modern Indian
> > languages such as Hindi, Urdu and Marathi, and a large number of
> > European and other languages. We once counted them and arrived at
> > twenty-seven or twenty-nine that he knew reasonably well ? we set
> > the bar at being able to read newspapers: they included, for example,
> > Basque, Turkish and  Swahili.
> >
> > For all his eccentricities, he will be greatly missed.
> >
> --
>
> Brendan S. Gillon                       email: brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca
> Department of Linguistics
> McGill University                       tel.:  001 514 398 4868
> 1085, Avenue Docteur-Penfield
> Montreal, Quebec                        fax.:  001 514 398 7088
> H3A 1A7  CANADA
>
> webpage: http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/group3/bgillo/web/
>
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>


-- 

*Jan E.M. Houben*

Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology

*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*

?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)

*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

*johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*

*https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
<https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben>*


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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 01:15:03 2020
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (Girish Jha)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 06:45:03 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAGCGLoDFHUWGk1S0h9+7NQM+EWPyr3r=XyfpA-QcLRPkCVBLrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdrZG1uVo4QEXufrNkvqcNYKTT467hzN3xx53kWfDzCTmiiDw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Professor Houben
I am overjoyed to read your reply.You have presented a great deal of
grammatical materials in order to derive "yaaji". Only Panini 3.3.110
resolves this problem which was not in my memory.Yaaji is in the sense of
sacrifice and is also conducive to the popular usage.Acc. to Unadi rule
"vasi vapi" quoted in the Siddhanta Kaumudi it conveys the sense of a
karta( agent)which is not required in the said context.
?????????????????? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ????????
?? ?????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????
Girish K.Jha
Retd University Professor
Dept of Sanskrit,  Patna University
Residence : Kolkata


On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, 04:42 Jan E.M. Houben, <jemhouben at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Prof. Jha,
> No ??i-status required: it is not that difficult to derive *y?ji* as
> action noun from *yaj* ?to venerate (ritually)?, ?to sacrifice? (hence
> having a meaning equivalent to another action noun derived from *yaj*:
> *yaj?a* '(ritualized) veneration', 'sacrifice').
> See P??ini?s A???dhy?y? 3.3.110 *vibh???khy?napra?nayor i? ca* and the
> K??ik?.
> If I understood correctly, Vasi??ha is replying to a question of king
> Da?aratha, so the form could probably be justified in the context of the
> story ;)
> In addition, there is U??dis?tra p?da 4, s?tra ca. 124-134 (depending on
> the edition): *vasivapiyaji...v?ribhya i?*.
> Commentaries give here examples of mostly feminine action nouns, but in
> the case of *y?ji* some commentaries explain the meaning, exceptionally,
> as an agent noun : sacrificer. ?abdakalpadruma vol. 4 p. 31 gives *y?ji*
> as a masculine noun and notes that it means sacrifice, but acc. to another
> authority: sacrificer. Wackernagel AiG Band 2, 2 p. 301 mentions an
> occurrence of *y?ji *(also in Hauschild's Register p. 190) in the sense
> 'offering' ('das Opfern') in Manu 10.79, but this must be a mistake for
> *yaji* which I see in all editions available to me and which, unlike
> *y?ji*, gives a correct metre.
> Best regards,
> Jan Houben
>
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 05:14, Girish Jha <jhakgirish at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear colleagues
>> Whether ???????? is a ??? ??????.If not,it is difficult to derive in my
>> view.I have not seen this usage.Please clarify.
>> Girish K.Jha
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 21:29 Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY, <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Or, to be preferred metrically:
>>> ???????? ???????????????????????????? ?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 17:32, Jan E.M. Houben <jemhouben at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alternatively for the second line:
>>>> ???????? ????????????????????????????? ?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 16:43, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to
>>>>>
>>>>> a private note sent by Prof. Eli Franco, I change the last p?da to:
>>>>> v?jimedho nv asa?bhava?, or even: hayamedha? nu m? k?th??, which makes
>>>>> Vasi??ha's words sound more archaic, doesn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 10.04.2020 08:01, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
>>>>> > And Vasi??ha pointed out another problem:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ?????????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?
>>>>> > ???????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????? ?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ?In times of Corona, o king, the borders of your reign are all
>>>>> guarded
>>>>> > and closed. A horse sacrifice is not possible.?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Am 09.04.2020 11:18, schrieb Christian Ferstl:
>>>>> >> Lockdown in ancient Ayodhya:
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>


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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Sun Apr 12 05:49:08 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 07:49:08 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfAQKjunX4BBPNf28rTHEdCg9j5mFtR_e=uAPbQbJ8sLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b4a776eeb64f2059b24332355b1a73a@univie.ac.at>

Lockdown in Lanka:

????? ?????? ??????? ?????
???? ??????? ? ?? ?????????? ?
??? ?????? ?????????????
???? ??????? ?????? ????? ?

Kusha asked: ?What did Kumbhakarna do when he was captured in his house 
due to the virus??
Thereupon Lava said to him laughing: ?He ate, slept, and had his belly 
grow.?


Happy Easter!
Christian Ferstl


Am 11.04.2020 15:41, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ???? ???????? ?????:
> ??????? ?????????? ?
> 
> ???????????????? ???
> ?????? ???????? ??????
> 
> Those who are tied down by the fear of the Coronavirus will find
> freedom when fate, God or a doctor will destroy it.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
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From andra.kleb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 05:50:20 2020
From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (andra.kleb at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 14:50:20 +0900
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_=C5=9Aridhara_on_PDS?=
In-Reply-To: <1C295BC5-F7B0-42A3-9087-06BDCCB77D5D@uniroma1.it>
Message-ID: <62ffe000-bd7c-4aa1-b1e1-f457b7f8f71b@Spark>

Dear list members,

I would be very grateful, if someone could share an e-text of Ny?yakandal? with me as well.

On a related note, is there actually an e-text of Udayana?s Kira??val??

best,
Andrey
On Apr 11, 2020 03:36 +0900, Raffaele Torella via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>, wrote:
> I wish to heartily thank Vincent Eltschinger, Dmitry Olenev and Suhas Mahesh (and also an ?anonymous? donor?).
>
> Then, very special thanks are due to Dominik for creating this unique e-pa??itasabh?, so generous and always ready to help!
>
> Buona Pasqua!
> Raffaele
>
> > Il giorno 09 apr 2020, alle ore 14:53, Raffaele Torella <raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it> ha scritto:
> >
> > Dear Colleagues,
> > in spite of my efforts I have not been able to find the e-text of ?ridhara?s commentary on Pad?rthadharmasa?graha. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Warm regards
> > Raffaele Torella
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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 09:25:54 2020
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 18:25:54 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrCof=mMbNPY2sn5-VWPV-c61e9GTYv8F_C02ubiD=ohbA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective
discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more
context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland
project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the
rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing
holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most
are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on
the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is
consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist
assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To
illustrate, here is a very recent assertion,

The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far,
more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language.
Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely
better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not only
renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also
bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and
polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a
desideratum for any developed society.

Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from
members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online
journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy
and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors.

I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology to
understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather, the
aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that compete
with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what I'm
ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of
this phenomenon, if it exists.

Any advice is appreciated. :-)

All the best,

????? ???????
Patrick McCartney, PhD
Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
(OICD), Kyoto
Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
Japan
Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
National University
Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
University

Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
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From rhododaktylos at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 13:43:37 2020
From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 15:43:37 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrCof=mMbNPY2sn5-VWPV-c61e9GTYv8F_C02ubiD=ohbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEjEOsBVW4nqbtMnnXxAj2_WxA7k71R7eiqf3MPjJs-+NN-PvA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Patrick,

This is something I have been engaging with on and off, partly to see
whether one can actually do anything with the idea, but mostly to use it as
a hook with which to get people to think about their conceptions of what
language is and what it can be used for.

I am not aware of anything cogent by any stretch of the imagination, but
I've attached an article about Sanskrit use for NLP that I've sometimes
seen referred to as 'proof' that this is a respectable/serious subject for
academic study. (It is IEEE, but from the proceedings of a conference
rather than one of their own (prestigious) publications.)

You already mention Briggs' article; I am curious to hear what else people
may be able to contribute. This is mentioned so often that there *have* to
be some efforts to make more of the idea.

All the very best,
     Antonia


On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 11:27, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective
> discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more
> context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland
> project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the
> rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing
> holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most
> are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on
> the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is
> consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist
> assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To
> illustrate, here is a very recent assertion,
>
> The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far,
> more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language.
> Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely
> better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not
> only renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also
> bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and
> polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a
> desideratum for any developed society.
>
> Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from
> members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online
> journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy
> and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors.
>
> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology to
> understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather, the
> aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that compete
> with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what I'm
> ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of
> this phenomenon, if it exists.
>
> Any advice is appreciated. :-)
>
> All the best,
>
> ????? ???????
> Patrick McCartney, PhD
> Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
> (OICD), Kyoto
> Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
> Japan
> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
> National University
> Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
> University
>
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> Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
> Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr 12 13:50:43 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 06:50:43 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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A distraction from the Coronavirus

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When the human beings who contract the Coronavirus come to the gates of
heaven, the gatekeepers sanitize them with a shower of Ambrosia.


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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 12 14:44:52 2020
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 14:44:52 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <CAEjEOsBVW4nqbtMnnXxAj2_WxA7k71R7eiqf3MPjJs-+NN-PvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <318175873.2952727.1586702692293@mail.yahoo.com>

 As someone who is familiar with both Sanskrit and professional computer programming, I'd say that any contribution of Sanskrit is more likely to be from an abstract level of thinking deeply about language rather than any kind of direct application of Sanskrit as a programming language. 

In fact, one of the very things that makes Sanskrit such a fascinating language for philosophy and poetry -- its ability to have multiple meanings and nuance -- are the things which make it unsuitable for computers, as least in a simplistic application. At the moment, computers don't do nuance very well.
Here is a link to the Briggs article:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Sanskrit-%26-Artificial-Intelligence-%E2%80%94-NASA-Knowledge-Roacs/e3e9476a78900b34abcd43ed324dca186f4729c6
Best,
Dean





    On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 7:14:56 PM GMT+5:30, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:  
 
 Dear Patrick,
This is something I have been engaging with on and off, partly to see whether one can actually do anything with the idea, but mostly to use it as a hook with which to get people to think about their conceptions of what language is and what it can be used for.
I am not aware of anything cogent by any stretch of the imagination, but I've attached an article about Sanskrit use for NLP that I've sometimes seen referred to as 'proof' that this is a respectable/serious subject for academic study. (It is IEEE, but from the proceedings of a conference rather than one of their own (prestigious) publications.)?
You already mention Briggs' article; I am curious to hear what else people may be able to contribute. This is mentioned so often that there *have* to be some efforts to make more of the idea.
All the very best,? ? ?Antonia

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 11:27, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To illustrate, here is a very recent assertion, 

The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far, more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language. Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not only renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a desideratum for any developed society. 
Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors. 

I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology to understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather, the aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that compete with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what I'm ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of this phenomenon, if it exists. 

Any advice is appreciated. :-)

All the best,

?????????????
Patrick McCartney, PhDResearch Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development (OICD), Kyoto
Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, JapanVisiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department,?Australian National UniversityMember - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National University
Skype / Zoom - psdmccartneyPhone + Whatsapp + Line: ?+61410644259Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
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From ambapradeep at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 15:38:40 2020
From: ambapradeep at gmail.com (Amba Kulkarni)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 21:08:40 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrCof=mMbNPY2sn5-VWPV-c61e9GTYv8F_C02ubiD=ohbA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello,

As a person engaged with Natural Language Processing, I would like to
submit the following.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 14:57, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective
> discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more
> context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland
> project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the
> rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing
> holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most
> are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on
> the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is
> consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist
> assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To
> illustrate, here is a very recent assertion,
>

A) Regarding Rick Briggs article --
a) Rick Briggs in his article  'Knowledge Representation in Sanskrit and
Artificial Intelligence' highlights the striking similarity of the
Knowledge Representation scheme such as Semantic Net with the structure of
'saabdabodha in Indian theories.
b) Rick Briggs does not say ANYTHING about the suitability of 'SANSKRIT
LANGUAGE' for computers.
c) After writing this article, I have not seen any follow-up on this either
by Rick Briggs or anybody from NASA on this topic.

Indian theories of 'saabdabodha and the Panini's A.s.taadhyaayii have
attracted the attention of many computational linguists and computer
scientists.

B) Regarding the suitability of Indian theories for Natural Language
Processing (NLP) --

Here are a few relevant references.

@inproceedings{
 author = "Akshar Bharati and Rajeev Sangal",
 title = "A Karaka Based Approach to Parsing of Indian Languages",
 booktitle = "Proceedings of International Conference on Computational
Linguistics (Vol. 3)",
 address = "Helsinki, Association for Computational Linguistics NY",
 year ="1990",
}

*Paninian Grammar Framework Applied to English*
<http://www.iiit.ac.in/~sangal/files/papers/pan_eng_98salr.pdf>
Akshar Bharati, Medhavi Bhatia, Vineet Chaitanya and Rajeev Sangal
South Asian Langauge Review, Creative Books, New Delhi, 1997a

In the past few years, several computational theories for NLP were evolved
such as -- Lexical Functional Grammar(LFG), Tree Adjoining Grammar (TAG)
and Head-Driven Phrase Structure Grammar (HPSG) etc.
These grammars were used to develop parsers. Grammars such as TAG produce a
constituency parse but at the same time, the order of operations involved
provides us with a dependency tree as well.
In the past two decades, the computational linguists have recognised the
importance of dependency parsing over the constituency parsing. The
principles with which Carnegie Mellon parser for English works are very
close to the concepts of aakaa.nk.saa, yogyataa and sannidhi. Minipar, a
parser for English developed on the Chomsky's minimalism produces a
dependency parse for English. Parser developed at Stanford University,
using Machine Learning algorithms, produce dependency parse trees for
English and many other languages such as Chinese, etc.

Computational linguists are interested in looking at the Paa.ninian Kaaraka
theory for dependency analysis. Within India there are several efforts in
this direction.

C) Regarding Paa.nini's A.s.taadhyaayii

In the last 10-15 years, there have been several efforts towards
understanding the A.s.taadhyaayii from a computational perspective.

The Proceedings of International Sanskrit Computational Linguistics
Symposium contain several articles on this topic by various researchers.


With kind regards,
Amba Kulkarni




> The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far,
> more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language.
> Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely
> better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not
> only renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also
> bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and
> polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a
> desideratum for any developed society.
>
> Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from
> members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online
> journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy
> and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors.
>
> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology to
> understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather, the
> aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that compete
> with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what I'm
> ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of
> this phenomenon, if it exists.
>
> Any advice is appreciated. :-)
>
> All the best,
>
> ????? ???????
> Patrick McCartney, PhD
> Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
> (OICD), Kyoto
> Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
> Japan
> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
> National University
> Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
> University
>
> Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
> Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
> Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
>  Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/> Academia
> <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/> Linkedin
> <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
>  Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>
>
> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)
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From gerard.huet at inria.fr  Sun Apr 12 15:45:44 2020
From: gerard.huet at inria.fr (huet)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 17:45:44 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <318175873.2952727.1586702692293@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0815C726-1A20-4DB9-BE9D-122A228FC56F@inria.fr>

Dear Indology list friends,

I happened to give a talk recently at University of Hyderabad on a related topic: how should Panini?s grammar be regarded from an informatics perspective.
The talk is available as a YouTube video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxkp_fuZkks&feature=youtu.be>, but the quality of sound is not very good. The slides are available from my Web site <http://gallium.inria.fr/~huet/talks.html>.
Best,

G?rard


> Le 12 avr. 2020 ? 16:44, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> As someone who is familiar with both Sanskrit and professional computer programming, I'd say that any contribution of Sanskrit is more likely to be from an abstract level of thinking deeply about language rather than any kind of direct application of Sanskrit as a programming language. 
> 
> In fact, one of the very things that makes Sanskrit such a fascinating language for philosophy and poetry -- its ability to have multiple meanings and nuance -- are the things which make it unsuitable for computers, as least in a simplistic application. At the moment, computers don't do nuance very well.
> 
> Here is a link to the Briggs article:
> 
> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Sanskrit-%26-Artificial-Intelligence-%E2%80%94-NASA-Knowledge-Roacs/e3e9476a78900b34abcd43ed324dca186f4729c6 <https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Sanskrit-%26-Artificial-Intelligence-%E2%80%94-NASA-Knowledge-Roacs/e3e9476a78900b34abcd43ed324dca186f4729c6>
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dean
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 7:14:56 PM GMT+5:30, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Patrick,
> 
> This is something I have been engaging with on and off, partly to see whether one can actually do anything with the idea, but mostly to use it as a hook with which to get people to think about their conceptions of what language is and what it can be used for.
> 
> I am not aware of anything cogent by any stretch of the imagination, but I've attached an article about Sanskrit use for NLP that I've sometimes seen referred to as 'proof' that this is a respectable/serious subject for academic study. (It is IEEE, but from the proceedings of a conference rather than one of their own (prestigious) publications.) 
> 
> You already mention Briggs' article; I am curious to hear what else people may be able to contribute. This is mentioned so often that there *have* to be some efforts to make more of the idea.
> 
> All the very best,
>      Antonia
> 
> 
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 11:27, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To illustrate, here is a very recent assertion, 
> 
> The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far, more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language. Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not only renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a desideratum for any developed society.
> 
> Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors. 
> 
> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology to understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather, the aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that compete with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what I'm ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of this phenomenon, if it exists. 
> 
> Any advice is appreciated. :-)
> 
> All the best,
> 
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr 12 16:00:31 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 09:00:31 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
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Dear Amba,

     Thank you for your clear statements.  In my understanding too, it is
not the Sanskrit language as such, but the theories of language developed
by Indian grammarians and philosophers that are useful in NLP.  In popular
statements, this distinction gets lost and claims about Sanskrit language
get circulated.  Best wishes,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:39 AM Amba Kulkarni via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> As a person engaged with Natural Language Processing, I would like to
> submit the following.
>
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 14:57, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective
>> discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more
>> context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland
>> project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the
>> rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing
>> holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most
>> are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on
>> the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is
>> consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist
>> assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To
>> illustrate, here is a very recent assertion,
>>
>
> A) Regarding Rick Briggs article --
> a) Rick Briggs in his article  'Knowledge Representation in Sanskrit and
> Artificial Intelligence' highlights the striking similarity of the
> Knowledge Representation scheme such as Semantic Net with the structure of
> 'saabdabodha in Indian theories.
> b) Rick Briggs does not say ANYTHING about the suitability of 'SANSKRIT
> LANGUAGE' for computers.
> c) After writing this article, I have not seen any follow-up on this
> either by Rick Briggs or anybody from NASA on this topic.
>
> Indian theories of 'saabdabodha and the Panini's A.s.taadhyaayii have
> attracted the attention of many computational linguists and computer
> scientists.
>
> B) Regarding the suitability of Indian theories for Natural Language
> Processing (NLP) --
>
> Here are a few relevant references.
>
> @inproceedings{
>  author = "Akshar Bharati and Rajeev Sangal",
>  title = "A Karaka Based Approach to Parsing of Indian Languages",
>  booktitle = "Proceedings of International Conference on Computational
> Linguistics (Vol. 3)",
>  address = "Helsinki, Association for Computational Linguistics NY",
>  year ="1990",
> }
>
> *Paninian Grammar Framework Applied to English*
> <http://www.iiit.ac.in/~sangal/files/papers/pan_eng_98salr.pdf>
> Akshar Bharati, Medhavi Bhatia, Vineet Chaitanya and Rajeev Sangal
> South Asian Langauge Review, Creative Books, New Delhi, 1997a
>
> In the past few years, several computational theories for NLP were evolved
> such as -- Lexical Functional Grammar(LFG), Tree Adjoining Grammar (TAG)
> and Head-Driven Phrase Structure Grammar (HPSG) etc.
> These grammars were used to develop parsers. Grammars such as TAG produce
> a constituency parse but at the same time, the order of operations involved
> provides us with a dependency tree as well.
> In the past two decades, the computational linguists have recognised the
> importance of dependency parsing over the constituency parsing. The
> principles with which Carnegie Mellon parser for English works are very
> close to the concepts of aakaa.nk.saa, yogyataa and sannidhi. Minipar, a
> parser for English developed on the Chomsky's minimalism produces a
> dependency parse for English. Parser developed at Stanford University,
> using Machine Learning algorithms, produce dependency parse trees for
> English and many other languages such as Chinese, etc.
>
> Computational linguists are interested in looking at the Paa.ninian
> Kaaraka theory for dependency analysis. Within India there are several
> efforts in this direction.
>
> C) Regarding Paa.nini's A.s.taadhyaayii
>
> In the last 10-15 years, there have been several efforts towards
> understanding the A.s.taadhyaayii from a computational perspective.
>
> The Proceedings of International Sanskrit Computational Linguistics
> Symposium contain several articles on this topic by various researchers.
>
>
> With kind regards,
> Amba Kulkarni
>
>
>
>
>> The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far,
>> more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language.
>> Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely
>> better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not
>> only renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also
>> bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and
>> polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a
>> desideratum for any developed society.
>>
>> Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from
>> members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online
>> journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy
>> and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors.
>>
>> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology
>> to understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather,
>> the aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that
>> compete with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what
>> I'm ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of
>> this phenomenon, if it exists.
>>
>> Any advice is appreciated. :-)
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> ????? ???????
>> Patrick McCartney, PhD
>> Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
>> (OICD), Kyoto
>> Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
>> Japan
>> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
>> National University
>> Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
>> University
>>
>> Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
>> Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
>> Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
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>>  Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>
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>> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr 12 16:06:42 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 09:06:42 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Source_of_the_post-position_=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87_in_Hindi?=
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzc10zNWfu_gyspiOXJz9-nfC0tiGYd8FPVWSPEKZoKojg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Indologists,

     What is the historical source for the post-position ?? in Hindi and
??/??  in Marathi?  I see some folks connect this directly with the
instrumental ending -??, as in ????.  At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules
Bloch saying this this -?? simply becomes ??, as in ????? ???? in Old
Marathi.  But then what is the source of ??????/???????  in Modern Marathi
and ?? in ??? ???  Any suggestions?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr 12 17:15:47 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 10:15:47 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Source_of_the_post-position_=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87_in_Hindi?=
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To me, it is clear that there is no direct link between the Sanskrit
instrumental -ena and Modern Marathi forms like ??????.  Old Marathi has
?????, and at some point -?? in singular and -?? in plural emerge.  It is
unlikely that Marathi would be reverting directly to Sanskrit in this late
phase.  The old Marathi inscription has ??????????? ???????, where Modern
Marathi would have ???????????? ??????.  G. V. Tulpule in his ?????????
????? ???? provides many forms that have a similar ending, i.e ????????,
????????, ??????? etc. and the plural forms like ??????, ???????,
?????????? etc.  The endings that appear in Modern Marathi are not there in
the Marathi of the Yadava period.  But ??????????? has a few forms like
???? and ???? and ????????, indicating that the endings ??/?? do exist at
least marginally in Old Marathi.  Some have connected this to the influence
of Kannada in the neighborhood.  However, the endings -??/?? are to be seen
in the Marathi of the Peshwa period and then they continue into Modern
Marathi.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:06 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
>
>      What is the historical source for the post-position ?? in Hindi and
> ??/??  in Marathi?  I see some folks connect this directly with the
> instrumental ending -??, as in ????.  At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules
> Bloch saying this this -?? simply becomes ??, as in ????? ???? in Old
> Marathi.  But then what is the source of ??????/???????  in Modern Marathi
> and ?? in ??? ???  Any suggestions?
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From LubinT at wlu.edu  Sun Apr 12 18:38:21 2020
From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 18:38:21 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Source_of_the_post-position_=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87_in_Hindi?=
In-Reply-To: <EBCBABE6-BAB2-4C98-AA67-CD61A27BD68F@wlu.edu>
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Dear Madhav,

In his 1991 book The Indo-Aryan Languages, beginning on p. 344, Colin Masica writes:

Where distinctive marking of the ergative Agent is retained , it has taken several
forms:
1. a direct phonological descendant of the Sanskrit Instrumental (-ena , --ina ,
-un?, -ay?, -y?; -ai?], -bhi?] , etc.) in the form of the common Oblique case into
which it has merged (different in Masculine and Feminine , and in singular and
plural) is the marker - in Sindhi and "Lahnda" (including Siraiki) , most forms of
Rajasthani (lost except as an alternate with 3rd person pronouns in the form of
Marwari studied by Magier 1983), Bhadarwahi , and several Dardic dialects; in
Kashmiri where the old cases are less completely merged, some declensions
preserve a recognizably Instrumental form (-an, -en) in the singular; in Kalasha
and Khowar, where. they are even better preserved, the ergative construction
does not exist (the old Preterite also having been preserved) , and the case retains
a purely instrumental function, primarily with inanimgte nouns (Morgenstierne
1947, 1965) ;
2. one (most common) direct phonological descendant (-ena > -e~ > -e) is
generalized for all genders and both numbers as an agglutinized marker ? in
Gujarati , Assamese (with some East Bengali dialects and Bishnupriya [K. P .
Sinha 1981: 81]), and most West Pahari dialects (Kangri, Jaunsari, Baghati ,
Sirmauri, Kiunthali, Kului , Mandeali , Churahi, but Standard Chameali and
Bhadarwahi show gender variants) ; this suffix partly coincides with the Locative
(the Eastern languages attempt to keep them separate by means of new Locatives
in -t-), but new suffixes (G. -th?, A. -ere) compete for the properly "instrumental"
fun?tion, leaving it almost as a distinctively "Agentive" case;
3. "reinforced" versions of an instrumental marker characterize Hindi, Punj abi,
and Marathi , distinct as Agentives from new Instrumentals in the first two (-ne vs.
H. se, P . -n??) , retaining an instrumental function (and distinct singular/plural
forms) in Marathi (-ne, -n?/-n?) ;
4. "new" instrumental markers have usurped the agentive function in Nepali and
Kumauni (-Ie) , also partly in Shina (-s/se - possibly borrowed from the neighboring
Balti dialect of Tibetan) , with still newer markers coming in (N. -ba?a) to pick
up the ordinary instrumental function.
Many NIA languages have neutralized the Nominative/Agentive distinction in
1st and 2nd person pronouns , often in favor of the Agentive in the former: P.
mai~, Marw. mhe~ 'I (Nom/Ag)? (vs. G. hu~/me~ 'I (Nom)/I (Ag)') . Hindi
pleonastically reinforces mai~, originally Agentive, as mai~-ne.

Best,
Tim



From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
Date: Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 1:17 PM
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Source of the post-position ?? in Hindi

To me, it is clear that there is no direct link between the Sanskrit instrumental -ena and Modern Marathi forms like ??????.  Old Marathi has ?????, and at some point -?? in singular and -?? in plural emerge.  It is unlikely that Marathi would be reverting directly to Sanskrit in this late phase.  The old Marathi inscription has ??????????? ???????, where Modern Marathi would have ???????????? ??????.  G. V. Tulpule in his ????????? ????? ???? provides many forms that have a similar ending, i.e ????????, ????????, ??????? etc. and the plural forms like ??????, ???????, ?????????? etc.  The endings that appear in Modern Marathi are not there in the Marathi of the Yadava period.  But ??????????? has a few forms like ???? and ???? and ????????, indicating that the endings ??/?? do exist at least marginally in Old Marathi.  Some have connected this to the influence of Kannada in the neighborhood.  However, the endings -??/?? are to be seen in the Marathi of the Peshwa period and then they continue into Modern Marathi.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:06 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu<mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
Dear Indologists,

     What is the historical source for the post-position ?? in Hindi and ??/??  in Marathi?  I see some folks connect this directly with the instrumental ending -??, as in ????.  At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules Bloch saying this this -?? simply becomes ??, as in ????? ???? in Old Marathi.  But then what is the source of ??????/???????  in Modern Marathi and ?? in ??? ???  Any suggestions?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From james.hartzell at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 19:17:05 2020
From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 21:17:05 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] CORRECTION: Help needed translating tantric verse
In-Reply-To: <D7E0FF73-AAB1-465C-B73F-A7828355BC95@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7802FF3B-653E-425F-AE89-4A3C3E71007A@gmail.com>

Hello Harry

I'm just catching up with this thread.
Do you think the verse may be echoing the idea from the Vibh?ti-p?da of Pata?jali's Yogasutras 3.32, k?rma-n??y?? sthairyam, i.e., (from performing sa?yama) on the tortoise channel (one's mind/psyche attains) stability (since one has withdrawn one's attention from external stimuli during meditation while awake).

Cheers
James
   

> On 11 Apr 2020, at 18:02, Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> ?Dear Harry,
> 
> Please read the whole Chapter 16 ?Astronomy, Time-Reckoning, and Cosmology? of my book ?The Roots of Hinduism? (OUP 2015) for evidence on the basis of which I suggest that the basic ideas of the Ku??alin?-yoga and the tortoise as representing the setting/night sun (and the yogi restraining his senses) go back to the Indus Civilization.
> 
> With best wishes,  Asko Parpola 
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 18.40, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you to those who replied off-list.  I've received two very different views of the meaning of 
>>  j?grat-k?rma-sam?rit? in the verse which I've summarized below.
>> 
>> VIEW 1
>> 
>>      The Bhagavadg?t? uses the example of K?rma for a state of the complete withdrawal of the senses:
>> 
>> yad? sa?harate c?ya? k?rmo' ?g?n?va sarva?a? /
>> indriy???ndriy?rthebhyas tasya praj?? prati??hit? // 2.58//
>> 
>>      Such a state would contrast with the state referred to by the word j?grat.  Thus, it seems refer to the state of focusing inward.  I am not quite sure if you would call it sleep, or more likely a conscious concentration that directs awareness inwards.
>> 
>> Perhaps it means "she who abides in both the waking state and the state of complete withdrawal of senses."
>> 
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> VIEW 2
>> I think that k?rma here refers to the microcosmic equivalent of the tortoise that supports the world. I don?t know of any clear references to this idea in texts, but one often sees Ku??alin? supported by a tortoise in ?cakra scrolls? from the 17th century onwards. See the attached image for an example.
>> 
>> That still leaves j?grat, which seems odd here. One would want it to contrast with nidrit?, i.e. to make a distinction between Ku??alin? when asleep and awake, but that would require j?grat?. So I think one has to understand the compound as meaning ?situated on a waking
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Harry Spier
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:10 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear list members,
>>> Verse 2 of the kuNDalinI stavaH is:
>>> rakt?bh?m?tacandrik? lipimay? sarp?k?tir nidrit?
>>> j?gratk?rmasam??rit? bhagavati tva? m?? sam?lokaya |
>>> m??sodgandhakugandhado?aja?ita? ved?dik?ry?nvita?
>>> 
>>> svalpasv?malacandrako?ikira?air nitya? ?ar?ra? kuru || 2 ||
>>> 
>>> I'm uncertain on how to translate j?gratk?rmasam??rit? in line 2.
>>> The only (farfetched thought?) I have is that k?rma  refers to the n??i that carries the energy that closes the eyes and therefor refers to the sleeping state, so that the phrase means "who abides in the waking and sleeping states".
>>> Any help in translating this phrase would be appreciated.
>>> Harry Spier
>>> 
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From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 14:14:59 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81lacakra_etexts=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcGgyAU2_+L3BasZ29tjZm0GNAb8ArhEJv-Fz0eoS1-DQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you, Madhav, for letting me know. Too bad Jagannatha Upadhyaya's talk
and your translation of it was not recorded.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:13 PM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Dear David,
>
>      I am sorry to say that his talk and my translation of it were not
> recorded.  From what I remember of his talk, he emphasized that we cannot
> study Buddhism in isolation from the rest of the Indian context.  The
> Buddhist philosophers and their Hindu opponents successively developed and
> modified their arguments because they were debating and disputing each
> other's ideas, and this led to continuous reformulations of the arguments
> of the Buddhist and the Hindu philosophers.
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:25 PM David and Nancy Reigle <dnreigle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Madhav,
>>
>> Nice anecdote about Pandit Jagannatha Upadhyaya giving a talk in Sanskrit
>> at the University of Michigan and you translating it for the audience. I
>> just found in his Academic Profile published in *?rama?a Vidy?: Studies
>> in Buddhism, Prof. Jagannath Upadhyaya Commemoration Volume* (1987),
>> that the title of this talk was: "Importance of Buddhism in Indological
>> Studies." I wonder if his talk and your translation of it was recorded. If
>> so, I would love to hear it.
>>
>> He also gave a talk in Sanskrit at University of California, Berkeley.
>> Robert Goldman translated it for the audience. It was recorded and was (is
>> still?) available from the Language Lab there. He spoke slowly and clearly;
>> a joy to listen to for those (like me) who are not accustomed to spoken
>> Sanskrit.
>>
>> I personally feel much admiration for him, and have much appreciation for
>> what he did. It was he who undertook and launched the project to publish
>> the great *Vimalaprabh?* commentary on the *K?lacakra-tantra*. The
>> editor of his commemoration volume, N. H. Samtani, called him the first
>> Bauddha ?c?rya of modern India ("In Memorium").
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David Reigle
>> Colorado, U.S.A.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 1:29 PM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear David,
>>>
>>>      Your scan of the edition by Jagannatha Upadhyaya triggered my
>>> memory of his visit to the University of Michigan probably sometime in the
>>> 1980s.  He gave a talk in Sanskrit and I translated it into English for the
>>> audience.  Best,
>>>
>>> Madhav
>>>
>>>


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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 20:43:33 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 14:43:33 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81lacakra_etexts=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAMGmO4+WLKJqaJnPyk7bHw=NTQV8-3vSZmepj1bxR_WTRWzcZA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Jonathan, and all,

Thank you for this information about these wonderful electronic resources
for canonical Tibetan materials. It will be helpful for anyone searching
for "K?lacakra etexts" and finding this thread, as it is helpful to me.
Yes, since among the Kangyurs of the Them spangs ma group (which seem to
all be manuscript Kangyurs) only the Stog Palace one was accessible through
its Indian reprint (1975-1980), I pretty much ignored the other ones due to
their inaccessibility. I have now checked the colophons of these at the
first link you gave.

The Ulaanbaatar and Shey Kangyurs, like the Stog Kangyur, have the Shong
ston revision of the Soman?tha and 'Bro translation of the
*K?lacakra-tantra*. The colophons of the London and Tokyo Kangyurs were not
given, but I assume that like the others of the Them spangs ma group, they
have the Shong ston revision. Likewise, the Phugbrag Kangyur has the Shong
ston revision, as do all the other Kangyurs whose colophons are shown at
the link you gave.

So although the *K?lacakra-tantra* had been translated into Tibetan several
times, we only had the Shong ston revision and the Jonang revision in the
known Kangyurs. Then among the hoard of manuscripts recently discovered at
the Drepung monastery, the first Tibetan translation of the
*K?lacakra-tantra* that was ever made, made by Bhadrabodhi and Gyi jo
lotsawa, was found. It was published in facsimile in *Dus 'khor phyogs
bsgrigs chen mo*, vol. 2 or kha, 2012 (released in 2014). It is a
pioneering translation in the full sense of the word, which is why it was
superseded by better translations that came later. It nonetheless has value
in sometimes helping to determine the correct original readings in Sanskrit
manuscripts.

The *Vimalaprabh?* commentary on the *K?lacakra-tantra* fared even better
in the Drepung finds. Not only the first ever translation of it by
Bhadrabodhi and Gyi jo was found, but also an early translation of it by
Tsa mi Sangs rgyas grags, an ethnic Tibetan or Tangut who spent many years
in India and is said to be the only Tibetan to have become an up?dhy?ya in
an Indian monastery. These are found in volumes 1-4 of *Dus 'khor phyogs
bsgrigs chen mo*.

We would expect that the translation of the *Vimalaprabh?* found in most of
the Tengyurs would be the Shong ston revision of the Soman?tha and 'Bro
translation, like their translation of the *K?lacakra-tantra* found in most
of the Kangyurs. But as reported by Cyrus Stearns in a note in his book, *The
Buddha from Dolpo* (2010 ed., p. 326, note 92), in the famed Der-ge
recension it is instead a strange mix. This is despite the colophon
identifying it as the Jonang revision. The first two chapters are the Shong
revision, and the remaining three chapters are the Jonang revision. This is
also true for the Co-ne Tengyur, and the *Vimalaprabh?* as found in the
Der-ge, Lithang, and Urga Kangyurs. The full Shong ston revision is found
in the Peking and Narthang Tengyurs.

Great to learn of your project (openphilology.eu), with its current focus
on the *Mah?ratnak??a* collection and the eventual goal of full
digitization of the Tibetan corpora. Wishing you well with it.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.


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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 23:57:49 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 20 19:57:49 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] CORRECTION: Help needed translating tantric verse
In-Reply-To: <7802FF3B-653E-425F-AE89-4A3C3E71007A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o-Y927xJLpFEudGcBiEkdJXTuQ5=V_8vCJhWKe-6vJ7iw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you  James,
I've now been given three very  different views on the meaning of j *k?rma*
in *j?grat-k?rma-sam?rit? *
*View 1  k?rma refers to a withdrawal of the senses  *
 with references to Bh.G.  2.58 and now your reference to  Patanjali
yogasutra 3.32

*View 2  k?rma refers to opening the eyes*
with reference to  Taantrikaabhidhanako"sa vol. II    which references S?rK
10.13b: k?rma unmilane s?rta?
, but kuurma standing for unmiilana (see Taantrikaabhidhanako"sa vol. II
for this definition, it is rather  the "opening of the eyes" unmiilana),
but would understand it as a karmadhaaraya. So the whole compound would
literally mean: resorting to the (state of/vital energy of) eye-opening
which is awakening. Or simply: waking up (slowly), opening the eyes. This
would perhaps fit better in the context, after nidritaa and before
samaalokaya, so she is waking up/opening her eyes (which could also be
interpreted metaphorically of course).

*View 3   k?rma refers to a tortoise supporting the **ku??alin?.*
with reference to diagrams  cakra scrolls from the 17th century onwards.
Note also that the TAK reference for  k?rma also says: "synonym for
m?l?dh?ra".

Thanks.
Harry Spier


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 3:17 PM James Hartzell <james.hartzell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Harry
>
> I'm just catching up with this thread.
> Do you think the verse may be echoing the idea from the Vibh?ti-p?da of
> Pata?jali's Yogasutras 3.32, k?rma-n??y?? sthairyam, i.e., (from performing
> sa?yama) on the tortoise channel (one's mind/psyche attains) stability
> (since one has withdrawn one's attention from external stimuli during
> meditation while awake).
>
> Cheers
> James
>
>
> On 11 Apr 2020, at 18:02, Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> ?Dear Harry,
>
> Please read the whole Chapter 16 ?Astronomy, Time-Reckoning, and
> Cosmology? of my book ?The Roots of Hinduism? (OUP 2015) for evidence on
> the basis of which I suggest that the basic ideas of the Ku??alin?-yoga and
> the tortoise as representing the setting/night sun (and the yogi
> restraining his senses) go back to the Indus Civilization.
>
> With best wishes,  Asko Parpola
>
> On 11 Apr 2020, at 18.40, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank you to those who replied off-list.  I've received two very different
> views of the meaning of
>
>  j?grat-k?rma-sam?rit? in the verse which I've summarized below.
>
>
> VIEW 1
>
>
>      The Bhagavadg?t? uses the example of K?rma for a state of the
> complete withdrawal of the senses:
>
>
> *yad? sa?harate c?ya? k?rmo' ?g?n?va sarva?a? /*
>
> *indriy???ndriy?rthebhyas tasya praj?? prati??hit? // 2.58//*
>
>
>      Such a state would contrast with the state referred to by the word
> *j?grat*.  Thus, it seems refer to the state of focusing inward.  I am
> not quite sure if you would call it sleep, or more likely a conscious
> concentration that directs awareness inwards.
>
>
> Perhaps it means "she who abides in both the waking state and the state of
> complete withdrawal of senses."
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> VIEW 2
>
> I think that k?rma here refers to the microcosmic equivalent of the
> tortoise that supports the world. I don?t know of any clear references to
> this idea in texts, but one often sees Ku??alin? supported by a tortoise in
> ?cakra scrolls? from the 17th century onwards. See the attached image for
> an example.
>
> That still leaves j?grat, which seems odd here. One would want it to
> contrast with nidrit?, i.e. to make a distinction between Ku??alin? when
> asleep and awake, but that would require j?grat?. So I think one has to
> understand the compound as meaning ?situated on a waking
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Harry Spier
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:10 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> Verse 2 of the kuNDalinI stavaH is:
>>
>> rakt?bh?m?tacandrik? lipimay? sarp?k?tir nidrit?
>>
>> j?gratk?rmasam??rit? bhagavati tva? m?? sam?lokaya |
>>
>> m??sodgandhakugandhado?aja?ita? ved?dik?ry?nvita?
>>
>> svalpasv?malacandrako?ikira?air nitya? ?ar?ra? kuru || 2 ||
>>
>>
>> I'm uncertain on how to translate j?gratk?rmasam??rit? in line 2.
>>
>> The only (farfetched thought?) I have is that k?rma  refers to the n??i
>> that carries the energy that closes the eyes and therefor refers to the
>> sleeping state, so that the phrase means "who abides in the waking and
>> sleeping states".
>>
>> Any help in translating this phrase would be appreciated.
>>
>> Harry Spier
>>
>>
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From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de  Mon Apr 13 02:27:48 2020
From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 10:27:48 +0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
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On 2020-04-12 21:43, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote:

> [?] I've attached an article about Sanskrit use for NLP that I've 
> sometimes seen referred to as 'proof' that this is a 
> respectable/serious subject for academic study. (It is IEEE, but from 
> the proceedings of a conference rather than one of their own 
> (prestigious) publications.)

Such articles make me very sad.

Evidently none of the four authors, nor any editor before the article 
was published, noticed that seven vibhaktis are mentioned (section V) -- 
and then comes a list of eight. This is only one of many problems I have 
with this article. (Another one is ?chez le garcon- in the boy?, another 
is ?a phrase in English language "I like apple" can suggest a brand of 
Computer or a kind of fruit apple? (no!), another one is the total 
irrelevance of section IX, especially as soon as we are dealing with 
non-Indo-European languages.)

Nothing really good comes from such publications.

RZ

-- 
Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos
Institute of Indology and Tibetology
Department of Asian Studies
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU)
Germany





From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Mon Apr 13 05:23:31 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 07:23:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzd4JfjVWXm0VY+pSftqU0hgMJOMcSu_R_LL35jN0okTrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d51b07713172f1bf4e08958c37485c76@univie.ac.at>

Another acrostic:

?? ???????? ???????
??????? ? ???????? ?
????????? ? ???????
??????? ??? ?????? ?

Who will remove the cause for the weeping and even death of countless 
sick humans, called Corona?


Christian Ferstl

University of Vienna


Am 12.04.2020 15:50, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ???????????? ???????????
> ??????????????????: ?
> 
> ??????????????? ???????
> ??????????: ??????
> 
> When the human beings who contract the Coronavirus come to the gates
> of heaven, the gatekeepers sanitize them with a shower of Ambrosia.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From gasyoun at ya.ru  Mon Apr 13 06:25:42 2020
From: gasyoun at ya.ru (=?utf-8?Q?M=C4=81rcis_Gas=C5=ABns?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 09:25:42 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Shloka Singing Styles / Tunes
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From d.plukker at ziggo.nl  Mon Apr 13 07:40:14 2020
From: d.plukker at ziggo.nl (Dick Plukker)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 09:40:14 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Source_of_the_post-position_=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87_in_Hindi?=
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Thomas Oberlies, /A Historical Grammar of Hindi/ (2005:29), wisely 
refrains from giving an etymological explanation for the Hindi 
postposition ??. In note 8 he refers to L.A. Schwarzschild, Collected 
Articles (1991:93), who "surmises that the Prakrit/Apabhramsha 
postposition ???-? is continued by Hindi and Gujarati ?? and Marathi ???/???."

S.H. Kellogg, /A Grammar of the Hindi language/, repr. 1965, p. 131-2, 
shows with a number of arguments - the main of which is the fact that 
"/ne/ cannot be traced back further than two or three hunderd years" - 
that this postposition cannot be related to the Sanskrit instrumental 
-/ena. /His conclusion: "... we are thus at once led to connect it, like 
the /nai, nai_n/, and /n?/, which in some Western Hindi dialects are 
substitued for /ko/, - through the Naipali /le/, with the root 
/lag/;//the order of the derivation being as follows: Sk. past. 
part.act. /lagya/, Pr. /laggio/, H. /lagi, lai, le , ne/."

It seems that the final word on the origin of /ne/ has not yet been spoken.
/
/ Stay safe.

Dick Plukker
Amsterdam

Op 12-4-2020 om 19:15 schreef Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> To me, it is clear that there is no direct link between the Sanskrit 
> instrumental -ena and Modern Marathi forms like ??????.? Old Marathi 
> has ?????, and at some point -?? in singular and -?? in plural 
> emerge.? It is unlikely that Marathi would be reverting directly to 
> Sanskrit in this late phase.? The old Marathi inscription has 
> ??????????? ???????, where Modern Marathi would have ???????????? 
> ??????.? G. V. Tulpule in his ????????? ????? ???? provides many forms 
> that have a similar ending, i.e ????????, ????????, ??????? etc. and 
> the plural forms like ??????, ???????, ?????????? etc.? The endings 
> that appear in Modern Marathi are not there in the Marathi of the 
> Yadava period.? But ??????????? has a few forms like ???? and ???? and 
> ????????, indicating that the endings ??/?? do exist at least 
> marginally in Old Marathi.? Some have connected this to the influence 
> of Kannada in the neighborhood.? However, the endings -??/?? are to be 
> seen in the Marathi of the Peshwa period and then they continue into 
> Modern Marathi.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:06 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu 
> <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Indologists,
>
>     ? ? ?What is the historical source for the post-position ?? in
>     Hindi and ??/??? in Marathi?? I see some folks connect this
>     directly with the instrumental ending -??, as in ????.? At least
>     in Marathi, I noticed Jules Bloch saying this this -?? simply
>     becomes ??, as in ????? ???? in Old Marathi.? But then what is the
>     source of ??????/???????? in Modern Marathi and ?? in ??? ???? Any
>     suggestions?
>
>     Madhav M. Deshpande
>     Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>     University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>     Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
>     [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
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From andra.kleb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 09:07:29 2020
From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (andra.kleb at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 18:07:29 +0900
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Source_of_the_post-position_=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87_in_Hindi?=
In-Reply-To: <2c11bcd2-471e-0013-3e55-20e90363712f@ziggo.nl>
Message-ID: <208be960-7c05-4d9c-999a-37e2729add0b@Spark>

Additional bibliographic reference that has not been mentioned yet is this: ?http://tiny.cc/g0rxmz
?? is treated from different points of view there. I have no access to the publication right now ? and google allows me to read only the Introduction ? ?so I cannot report what it is saying exactly.


best,
Andrey
On 13. Apr 2020, 16:40 +0900, Dick Plukker via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>, wrote:
> Thomas Oberlies, A Historical Grammar of Hindi (2005:29), wisely refrains from giving an etymological explanation for the Hindi postposition ??. In note 8 he refers to L.A. Schwarzschild, Collected Articles (1991:93), who "surmises that the Prakrit/Apabhramsha postposition ???-? is continued by Hindi and Gujarati ?? and Marathi ???/???."
>
> S.H. Kellogg, A Grammar of the Hindi language, repr. 1965, p. 131-2, shows with a number of arguments - the main of which is the fact that "ne cannot be traced back further than two or three hunderd years" - that this postposition cannot be related to the Sanskrit instrumental -ena. His conclusion: "... we are thus at once led to connect it, like the nai, nai_n, and n?, which in some Western Hindi dialects are substitued for ko, - through the Naipali le, with the root lag; the order of the derivation being as follows: Sk. past. part.act. lagya, Pr. laggio, H. lagi, lai, le , ne."
>
> It seems that the final word on the origin of ne has not yet been spoken.
>
> Stay safe.
>
> Dick Plukker
> Amsterdam
>
> Op 12-4-2020 om 19:15 schreef Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > To me, it is clear that there is no direct link between the Sanskrit instrumental -ena and Modern Marathi forms like ??????.? Old Marathi has ?????, and at some point -?? in singular and -?? in plural emerge.? It is unlikely that Marathi would be reverting directly to Sanskrit in this late phase.? The old Marathi inscription has ??????????? ???????, where Modern Marathi would have ???????????? ??????.? G. V. Tulpule in his ????????? ????? ???? provides many forms that have a similar ending, i.e ????????, ????????, ??????? etc. and the plural forms like ?????, ???????, ?????????? etc.? The endings that appear in Modern Marathi are not there in the Marathi of the Yadava period.? But ??????????? has a few forms like ???? and ???? and ????????, indicating that the endings ??/?? do exist at least marginally in Old Marathi.? Some have connected this to the influence of Kannada in the neighborhood.? However, the endings -??/?? are to be seen in the Marathi of the Peshwa period and then they continue into Modern Marathi.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:06 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
> > > > Dear Indologists,
> > > >
> > > > ? ? ?What is the historical source for the post-position ?? in Hindi and ??/??? in Marathi?? I see some folks connect this directly with the instrumental ending -??, as in ????.? At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules Bloch saying this this -?? simply becomes ??, as in ????? ???? in Old Marathi.? But then what is the source of ??????/???????? in Modern Marathi and ?? in ??? ???? Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > > > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > > > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > > > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> > > >
> > > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Apr 13 12:54:17 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 05:54:17 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Source_of_the_post-position_=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87_in_Hindi?=
In-Reply-To: <2c11bcd2-471e-0013-3e55-20e90363712f@ziggo.nl>
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Thanks, Dick, for these references.  Kellogg's observation goes in line
with mine that the ??/?? begin to appear in Marathi largely during the
Shivaji-Peshwa period.  However, an occasional use of the forms ????/????
is seen in J??ne?var?.  In his famous Pas?yad?na, J??ne?vara uses ?????
???? ????????? ?????? ????, where the form ????? coordinates with ????, the
latter being the more standard form for the period.  Best,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:41 AM Dick Plukker via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Thomas Oberlies, *A Historical Grammar of Hindi* (2005:29), wisely
> refrains from giving an etymological explanation for the Hindi postposition
> ??. In note 8 he refers to L.A. Schwarzschild, Collected Articles
> (1991:93), who "surmises that the Prakrit/Apabhramsha postposition ???-  is
> continued by Hindi and Gujarati ?? and Marathi ???/???."
>
> S.H. Kellogg, *A Grammar of the Hindi language*, repr. 1965, p. 131-2,
> shows with a number of arguments - the main of which is the fact that "
> *ne* cannot be traced back further than two or three hunderd years" -
> that this postposition cannot be related to the Sanskrit instrumental -*ena.
> *His conclusion: "... we are thus at once led to connect it, like the *nai,
> nai_n*, and *n?*, which in some Western Hindi dialects are substitued for
> *ko*, - through the Naipali *le*, with the root *lag*; the order of the
> derivation being as follows: Sk. past. part.act. *lagya*, Pr. *laggio*,
> H. *lagi, lai, le , ne*."
>
> It seems that the final word on the origin of *ne* has not yet been
> spoken.
>
> Stay safe.
>
> Dick Plukker
> Amsterdam
>
> Op 12-4-2020 om 19:15 schreef Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>
> To me, it is clear that there is no direct link between the Sanskrit
> instrumental -ena and Modern Marathi forms like ??????.  Old Marathi has
> ?????, and at some point -?? in singular and -?? in plural emerge.  It is
> unlikely that Marathi would be reverting directly to Sanskrit in this late
> phase.  The old Marathi inscription has ??????????? ???????, where Modern
> Marathi would have ???????????? ??????.  G. V. Tulpule in his ?????????
> ????? ???? provides many forms that have a similar ending, i.e ????????,
> ????????, ??????? etc. and the plural forms like ??????, ???????,
> ?????????? etc.  The endings that appear in Modern Marathi are not there in
> the Marathi of the Yadava period.  But ??????????? has a few forms like
> ???? and ???? and ????????, indicating that the endings ??/?? do exist at
> least marginally in Old Marathi.  Some have connected this to the influence
> of Kannada in the neighborhood.  However, the endings -??/?? are to be seen
> in the Marathi of the Peshwa period and then they continue into Modern
> Marathi.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:06 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dear Indologists,
>>
>>      What is the historical source for the post-position ?? in Hindi and
>> ??/??  in Marathi?  I see some folks connect this directly with the
>> instrumental ending -??, as in ????.  At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules
>> Bloch saying this this -?? simply becomes ??, as in ????? ???? in Old
>> Marathi.  But then what is the source of ??????/???????  in Modern Marathi
>> and ?? in ??? ???  Any suggestions?
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Apr 13 13:14:17 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 06:14:17 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfFPYkcANheSFXMP065QvAEkH1htV638bgxfAT3=krn3Q@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

???????? ????????????????? ?????????: ?
??????? ???? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????? ??????

The child Dhruva said to Lord Vishnu who was pleased with him: ?O Lord,
give me such a firm position where Corona will not touch me.? [Dhruva
became the Pole Star.]

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Apr 13 13:53:19 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 06:53:19 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Source_of_the_post-position_=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87_in_Hindi?=
In-Reply-To: <208be960-7c05-4d9c-999a-37e2729add0b@Spark>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzeAUiYxqG5spUduph7BVRQsnbhEUDJZMU0fQemknk6KCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Andrey, for the reference to this book.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:08 AM Andrey Klebanov via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Additional bibliographic reference that has not been mentioned yet is
> this:  http://tiny.cc/g0rxmz
> ?? is treated from different points of view there. I have no access to the
> publication right now ? and google allows me to read only the Introduction
> ?  so I cannot report what it is saying exactly.
>
>
> best,
> Andrey
> On 13. Apr 2020, 16:40 +0900, Dick Plukker via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info>, wrote:
>
> Thomas Oberlies, *A Historical Grammar of Hindi* (2005:29), wisely
> refrains from giving an etymological explanation for the Hindi postposition
> ??. In note 8 he refers to L.A. Schwarzschild, Collected Articles
> (1991:93), who "surmises that the Prakrit/Apabhramsha postposition ???-  is
> continued by Hindi and Gujarati ?? and Marathi ???/???."
>
> S.H. Kellogg, *A Grammar of the Hindi language*, repr. 1965, p. 131-2,
> shows with a number of arguments - the main of which is the fact that "
> *ne* cannot be traced back further than two or three hunderd years" -
> that this postposition cannot be related to the Sanskrit instrumental -
> *ena.* His conclusion: "... we are thus at once led to connect it, like
> the *nai, nai_n*, and *n?*, which in some Western Hindi dialects are
> substitued for *ko*, - through the Naipali *le*, with the root *lag*; the
> order of the derivation being as follows: Sk. past. part.act. *lagya*,
> Pr. *laggio*, H. *lagi, lai, le , ne*."
>
> It seems that the final word on the origin of *ne* has not yet been
> spoken.
>
> Stay safe.
>
> Dick Plukker
> Amsterdam
>
> Op 12-4-2020 om 19:15 schreef Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>
> To me, it is clear that there is no direct link between the Sanskrit
> instrumental -ena and Modern Marathi forms like ??????.  Old Marathi has
> ?????, and at some point -?? in singular and -?? in plural emerge.  It is
> unlikely that Marathi would be reverting directly to Sanskrit in this late
> phase.  The old Marathi inscription has ??????????? ???????, where Modern
> Marathi would have ???????????? ??????.  G. V. Tulpule in his ?????????
> ????? ???? provides many forms that have a similar ending, i.e ????????,
> ????????, ??????? etc. and the plural forms like ?????, ???????, ??????????
> etc.  The endings that appear in Modern Marathi are not there in the
> Marathi of the Yadava period.  But ??????????? has a few forms like ????
> and ???? and ????????, indicating that the endings ??/?? do exist at least
> marginally in Old Marathi.  Some have connected this to the influence of
> Kannada in the neighborhood.  However, the endings -??/?? are to be seen in
> the Marathi of the Peshwa period and then they continue into Modern
> Marathi.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:06 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dear Indologists,
>>
>>      What is the historical source for the post-position ?? in Hindi and
>> ??/??  in Marathi?  I see some folks connect this directly with the
>> instrumental ending -??, as in ????.  At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules
>> Bloch saying this this -?? simply becomes ??, as in ????? ???? in Old
>> Marathi.  But then what is the source of ??????/???????  in Modern Marathi
>> and ?? in ??? ???  Any suggestions?
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>
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From rhododaktylos at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 14:25:02 2020
From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 16:25:02 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <20569bbb51f9ab49b6bfdeb1dad2be66@uni-muenchen.de>
Message-ID: <CAEjEOsD+tG6oqE=VA5J9Z2ieMoLA6yq-4+35XnDkAJX+Q1oirg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Professor Zydenbos,

Just for the record: I shared this article not because I think that there
is anything worthwhile about it - it seemed so obviously flawed that I
didn't think that needed pointing out. I do however think it is a good
article to know about - the whole 'Sanskrit and computers' story is one of
the main ways in which Sanskrit is being talked about in public. We as
Sanskritists are best placed to counter such myth and misinformation, and
to do that, it helps to know what is out there.

Mostly what *I* find sad is that there are so many unquestionably wonderful
things about knowledge of Sanskrit that go happily ignored by a public
apparently interested in Sanskrit - and instead, it's this misinformation
that takes root. I'm always happy when I hear about initiatives such as
Patrick's that try and do something against this - it would be such a shame
to just cede the field to those with political/nationalist agendas.

All the very best,
      Antonia

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 04:27, Robert Zydenbos <zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de>
wrote:

> On 2020-04-12 21:43, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote:
>
> > [?] I've attached an article about Sanskrit use for NLP that I've
> > sometimes seen referred to as 'proof' that this is a
> > respectable/serious subject for academic study. (It is IEEE, but from
> > the proceedings of a conference rather than one of their own
> > (prestigious) publications.)
>
> Such articles make me very sad.
>
> Evidently none of the four authors, nor any editor before the article
> was published, noticed that seven vibhaktis are mentioned (section V) --
> and then comes a list of eight. This is only one of many problems I have
> with this article. (Another one is ?chez le garcon- in the boy?, another
> is ?a phrase in English language "I like apple" can suggest a brand of
> Computer or a kind of fruit apple? (no!), another one is the total
> irrelevance of section IX, especially as soon as we are dealing with
> non-Indo-European languages.)
>
> Nothing really good comes from such publications.
>
> RZ
>
> --
> Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos
> Institute of Indology and Tibetology
> Department of Asian Studies
> Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU)
> Germany
>


-- 
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cambridge-sanskrit.org
allthingssanskrit.com


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From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de  Mon Apr 13 16:52:37 2020
From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 00:52:37 +0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <CAEjEOsD+tG6oqE=VA5J9Z2ieMoLA6yq-4+35XnDkAJX+Q1oirg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d28f50158b9f4ae3e9c84231cd5609c@uni-muenchen.de>

On 2020-04-13 22:25, Antonia Ruppel wrote:

> [?]
> 
> Mostly what *I* find sad is that there are so many unquestionably 
> wonderful things about knowledge of Sanskrit that go happily ignored by 
> a public apparently interested in Sanskrit - and instead, it's this 
> misinformation that takes root. I'm always happy when I hear about 
> initiatives such as Patrick's that try and do something against this - 
> it would be such a shame to just cede the field to those with 
> political/nationalist agendas.

That indeed is included in my remark "[n]othing really good comes from 
such publications". That article reminds me of a pa??ita (no, I will not 
say who) who told me that he wanted to use the computers in his 
institution to show that Vi?i???dvaita is the one true, correct style of 
Ved?nta philosophy. This sort of talk turns away people who would like 
to be seriously interested in Indian philosophy.

Meanwhile the modern myth of 'Sanskrit as the ideal computer language' 
(instead of the usefulness of ancient Indian theories of language, as 
Briggs wrote -- quoted in the article, and then? how shall we call it: 
'creatively re-interpreted'?) seems to be so firmly entrenched in 
certain circles that it is beyond criticism. Criticizing it is like 
criticizing Donald Trump: the believers will vilify the critic, the 
popularity of the myth will be strengthened, and the crazy caravan moves 
on.

> All the very best,

RZ


-- 
Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos
Institute of Indology and Tibetology
Department of Asian Studies
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU)
Germany





From vjroebuck at btinternet.com  Mon Apr 13 21:06:44 2020
From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie Roebuck)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 22:06:44 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Shloka Singing Styles / Tunes
In-Reply-To: <7603181586759125@vla5-4a37cde0b550.qloud-c.yandex.net>
Message-ID: <22AA6EDF-BDBD-48FE-87E8-C8C614A2DBDF@btinternet.com>

Dear M?rcis

I can see the slides in Dropbox but can?t find a way to play the music examples.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester UK

> On 13 Apr 2020, at 07:25, M?rcis Gas?ns via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Reposting a post from ??????? ?????
>  
> Hariom. 
> ?????? to all the parishad scholars.
> Happy to write after long time regarding some interesting work. 
> I would like to share an experience and seek help.
> I was teaching some students some shlokas and one of them suddenly asked - "How many shloka singing styles are there?" 
> I thought for a little while, and said- Many! Some belong to North India, some South, some to Maharashtra, some traditional, some created by films and singers. Then the organizer of those lesson-sessions requested me to prepare something in detail to share with the students. 
> Then with the help of youtube, and other sources, I prepared this PPT (
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mbi5a4qluidn7kw/ShlokaSingingStyles.pptx?dl=0). Right now just for Shloka meter- that is popular Anushtup, not any other vrtta.. (I tried to take only one shloka and sing, but it was difficult; hence samples are a little varying.) And one more limitation is that I belong to South India, so lot of North is missed! And just now it struck- are there any NRI tunes/videshi tunes?
>  
> Thanks to the questioner! His question opened doors into new area of thinking for me. I realized while working on this, that I am totally unaware of tunes which are Bengali, Oriya, Gujarati, Kashmiri, Himachal Pradesh etc. and many more sources might be there. I also wrote a small write-up with my limited knowledge- which I just copy pasted below. Much can be added to make it complete. Eg. how to people get to some tune? How do they originate? Actually get propagated? 
> One thing I wanted to keep away for classical music.. exclude the Ragas. I just wanted tunes that mark something, and flew into the people at large.. not like someone sang somewhere and it remained there.
>  
> Now the help that I seek from this learned parishad is- please provide me audio samples from missing places. (I mean that not included in the audios in the PPT.) Let me have any more information upon this subject, and please let me know if such an endeavour has been made before by anyone- please provide the links and names and if possible, the work also. Further light on classification could also help. Any aspect of this area would be helpful in increasing my knowledge. 
>  
> This is purely out of interest.. nothing academic. :)
>  
> Tunes are sometimes generated by some popular film makers and they get to the people so much that we start to believe that this must be traditional tune. Some musicians also introduce some good tunes for shlokas.
>             Tunes can be divided into ? 1. Traditional tunes 2. Tunes developed by individuals. Then one more classification is like- 1. For recitation 2. For chanting. Most of the times the classical music element involved in shlokas, long drawn musical notes,  is only for beautification and mostly avoided by general people.
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 22:12:38 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 16:12:38 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF
In-Reply-To: <CB36D1D5-337B-4B9D-83F1-8763C48F4FB0@austin.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cf8qG8sjGpK4GCZ5qUJVkXzLafH=X97eH7Byx+6Twy=3g@mail.gmail.com>

Have none of our French colleagues scanned Louis Renou's EVeP and made it
freely available somewhere?  Surely?  It's 54 years since his passing, so I
don't think any copyright-holder is going to object, even if there are a
few years yet to run.

Best,
Dominik
--
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<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 12:22, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Would someone have an electronic copy of the following? I have a hard
> copy, but a colleagues (in isolation now) needs an electronic one.. Thanks.
>
> Patrick
>
> L. Renou. (1955). "Remarques sur la Ch?ndogya Upani?ad." *?tude V?dique
> et P??inin?ennes. *Vol 1.  pp. 91-102.
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 22:31:46 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 16:31:46 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrCof=mMbNPY2sn5-VWPV-c61e9GTYv8F_C02ubiD=ohbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcYQVcGf17-m=E455vGqVFMnNwnqQ7H=8wS9RnGA1m3xg@mail.gmail.com>

Backus-Naur notation is often cited as a re-discovery of P??ini's
notational methods, not entirely without justification. This 1967 letter in
CACM by Ingerman started this particular hare:
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/363162.363165.  Ingerman's assertion rests
on a simplified view of how P??ini's grammar works, ignoring many features
such as rule-ordering, blocking, and scoping.  Nevertheless, the general
idea of BNF-style rewriting rules is there.

Best,
Dominik



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,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 03:27, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective
> discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more
> context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland
> project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the
> rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing
> holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most
> are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on
> the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is
> consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist
> assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To
> illustrate, here is a very recent assertion,
>
> The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far,
> more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language.
> Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely
> better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not
> only renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also
> bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and
> polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a
> desideratum for any developed society.
>
> Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from
> members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online
> journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy
> and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors.
>
> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology to
> understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather, the
> aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that compete
> with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what I'm
> ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of
> this phenomenon, if it exists.
>
> Any advice is appreciated. :-)
>
> All the best,
>
> ????? ???????
> Patrick McCartney, PhD
> Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
> (OICD), Kyoto
> Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
> Japan
> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
> National University
> Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
> University
>
> Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
> Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
> Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
>  Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/> Academia
> <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/> Linkedin
> <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
>  Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>
>
> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    -
>
>
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>
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From vbd203 at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 13 22:33:55 2020
From: vbd203 at googlemail.com (victor davella)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 00:33:55 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cf8qG8sjGpK4GCZ5qUJVkXzLafH=X97eH7Byx+6Twy=3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAETY2G2xJEAA3xOUYP8zbPhcB1LRi2d_JRLXz=8c1Hy01ywtcw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dominik,

I know longer know where I obtained them, but I have an incomplete
collection, available here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vodSffH9HkSVBVaIocMLwYHg-VYCMsdg

If anyone has the remaining tomes I would be happy to have them.

All the Best,
Victor

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:13 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Have none of our French colleagues scanned Louis Renou's EVeP and made it
> freely available somewhere?  Surely?  It's 54 years since his passing, so I
> don't think any copyright-holder is going to object, even if there are a
> few years yet to run.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
>
>
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 12:22, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Would someone have an electronic copy of the following? I have a hard
>> copy, but a colleagues (in isolation now) needs an electronic one.. Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> L. Renou. (1955). "Remarques sur la Ch?ndogya Upani?ad." *?tude V?dique
>> et P??inin?ennes. *Vol 1.  pp. 91-102.
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 22:40:37 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 16:40:37 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF
In-Reply-To: <CAETY2G2xJEAA3xOUYP8zbPhcB1LRi2d_JRLXz=8c1Hy01ywtcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcQo7MoR=BnG1dAoX+Z2ndjX=y7O8BFk-qb+ipcORAEKA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Victor, for this precious collection!

Best,
Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 16:34, victor davella <vbd203 at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
>
> I know longer know where I obtained them, but I have an incomplete
> collection, available here:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vodSffH9HkSVBVaIocMLwYHg-VYCMsdg
>
> If anyone has the remaining tomes I would be happy to have them.
>
> All the Best,
> Victor
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:13 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Have none of our French colleagues scanned Louis Renou's EVeP and made it
>> freely available somewhere?  Surely?  It's 54 years since his passing, so I
>> don't think any copyright-holder is going to object, even if there are a
>> few years yet to run.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
>> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> sas.ualberta.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 12:22, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Would someone have an electronic copy of the following? I have a hard
>>> copy, but a colleagues (in isolation now) needs an electronic one.. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> L. Renou. (1955). "Remarques sur la Ch?ndogya Upani?ad." *?tude V?dique
>>> et P??inin?ennes. *Vol 1.  pp. 91-102.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 23:39:46 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 19:39:46 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CcYQVcGf17-m=E455vGqVFMnNwnqQ7H=8wS9RnGA1m3xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o8k4oTp=J0NQWQHo288biCuKxYVK2f2f7GcD3iMHCRzMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

1) This topic and this article were discussed on the indology list in 1997.
http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1993-October/000715.html


Harry Spier





On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 6:32 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Backus-Naur notation is often cited as a re-discovery of P??ini's
> notational methods, not entirely without justification. This 1967 letter in
> CACM by Ingerman started this particular hare:
> https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/363162.363165.  Ingerman's assertion rests
> on a simplified view of how P??ini's grammar works, ignoring many features
> such as rule-ordering, blocking, and scoping.  Nevertheless, the general
> idea of BNF-style rewriting rules is there.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
>
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 03:27, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective
>> discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more
>> context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland
>> project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the
>> rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing
>> holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most
>> are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on
>> the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is
>> consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist
>> assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To
>> illustrate, here is a very recent assertion,
>>
>> The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far,
>> more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language.
>> Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely
>> better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not
>> only renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also
>> bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and
>> polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a
>> desideratum for any developed society.
>>
>> Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from
>> members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online
>> journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy
>> and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors.
>>
>> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology
>> to understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather,
>> the aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that
>> compete with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what
>> I'm ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of
>> this phenomenon, if it exists.
>>
>> Any advice is appreciated. :-)
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> ????? ???????
>> Patrick McCartney, PhD
>> Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
>> (OICD), Kyoto
>> Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
>> Japan
>> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
>> National University
>> Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
>> University
>>
>> Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
>> Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
>> Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
>>  Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/> Academia
>> <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/> Linkedin
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
>>  Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>
>>
>> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 00:12:26 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 20:12:26 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o8k4oTp=J0NQWQHo288biCuKxYVK2f2f7GcD3iMHCRzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o9ZFCsQLoTaLF5GpsdQSuxHo-8UoLKpDs2xU_-cJQC_BQ@mail.gmail.com>

i
A core feature of Backus-Naur Form notation is it can be  recursive.
To give the simple example of  the definition of an integer  in Backus-Naur
Form :
<digit> ::= 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9
<integer> ::= <idigit> | <integer> <digit>

Note the definition of <integer> is used in its own definition to
"recursively" build up the definition of any string of digits as an
<integer>
Does Panini's grammar ever use this kind of recursion in its definitions?

Thanks,
Harry Spier

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:39 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> 1) This topic and this article were discussed on the indology list in 1997.
>
> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1993-October/000715.html
>
>
> Harry Spier
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 6:32 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Backus-Naur notation is often cited as a re-discovery of P??ini's
>> notational methods, not entirely without justification. This 1967 letter in
>> CACM by Ingerman started this particular hare:
>> https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/363162.363165.  Ingerman's assertion
>> rests on a simplified view of how P??ini's grammar works, ignoring many
>> features such as rule-ordering, blocking, and scoping.  Nevertheless, the
>> general idea of BNF-style rewriting rules is there.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
>> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> sas.ualberta.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 03:27, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective
>>> discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more
>>> context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland
>>> project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the
>>> rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing
>>> holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most
>>> are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on
>>> the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is
>>> consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist
>>> assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To
>>> illustrate, here is a very recent assertion,
>>>
>>> The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far,
>>> more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language.
>>> Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely
>>> better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not
>>> only renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also
>>> bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and
>>> polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a
>>> desideratum for any developed society.
>>>
>>> Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from
>>> members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online
>>> journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy
>>> and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors.
>>>
>>> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology
>>> to understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather,
>>> the aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that
>>> compete with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what
>>> I'm ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of
>>> this phenomenon, if it exists.
>>>
>>> Any advice is appreciated. :-)
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> ????? ???????
>>> Patrick McCartney, PhD
>>> Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
>>> (OICD), Kyoto
>>> Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute,
>>> Nagoya, Japan
>>> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
>>> National University
>>> Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
>>> University
>>>
>>> Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
>>> Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
>>> Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
>>>  Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/> Academia
>>> <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/> Linkedin
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
>>>  Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>
>>>
>>> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> committee)
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From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 20 18:26:56 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=C3=89tudes_v=C3=A9diques_et_p=C4=81=E1=B9=87in=C3=A9ennes?=
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcCge3UHV0ru-NGGFjZQB-SfVnfOC+SgViPKLM=7+XmvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Through the effort and generosity of colleagues, we now have all 17 vols of
Renou's journal, 1955-1969.  They are available at the Archive.org, at

   - https://n2t.net/ark:/13960/t3d01wt5n

The previews will appear in the next few hours.

Best wishes and thanks again to the contributors (I did nothing).

Dominik
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

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From vbd203 at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 14 08:46:59 2020
From: vbd203 at googlemail.com (victor davella)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 10:46:59 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_=C3=89tudes_v=C3=A9diques_et_p=C4=81=E1=B9=87in=C3=A9ennes?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CcCge3UHV0ru-NGGFjZQB-SfVnfOC+SgViPKLM=7+XmvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAETY2G3GcXh7aUo3OAyQqiEX0degaAmcTf8WbAbJmbX4vZcDdg@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to everyone who helped to make these wonderful articles and
translations available to all. On a related note, is it also possible that
Renou's translation of the Durgha?av?tti has been scanned? I have scanned
in much of it, but not to completion, and I'm afraid my scans are not
particularly satisfactory in part because the individual fascicules were so
tightly bound into two larger volumes. I am happy to share what I have, but
better quality is certainly possible.

All the Best,
Victor

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:27 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Through the effort and generosity of colleagues, we now have all 17 vols
> of Renou's journal, 1955-1969.  They are available at the Archive.org, at
>
>    - https://n2t.net/ark:/13960/t3d01wt5n
>
> The previews will appear in the next few hours.
>
> Best wishes and thanks again to the contributors (I did nothing).
>
> Dominik
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
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From j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl  Tue Apr 14 10:40:42 2020
From: j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl (Joanna Jurewicz)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 12:40:42 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_=C3=89tudes_v=C3=A9diques_et_p=C4=81=E1=B9=87in=C3=A9ennes?=
In-Reply-To: <CAETY2G3GcXh7aUo3OAyQqiEX0degaAmcTf8WbAbJmbX4vZcDdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAPrgbqFKN_5FmhQMFrXvKpvB-ocqoJVB83xiguNYAe-2Xvoig@mail.gmail.com>

Great!

---

Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz

Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia

Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz


wt., 14 kwi 2020 o 10:47 victor davella via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

> Many thanks to everyone who helped to make these wonderful articles and
> translations available to all. On a related note, is it also possible that
> Renou's translation of the Durgha?av?tti has been scanned? I have scanned
> in much of it, but not to completion, and I'm afraid my scans are not
> particularly satisfactory in part because the individual fascicules were so
> tightly bound into two larger volumes. I am happy to share what I have, but
> better quality is certainly possible.
>
> All the Best,
> Victor
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:27 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Through the effort and generosity of colleagues, we now have all 17 vols
>> of Renou's journal, 1955-1969.  They are available at the Archive.org, at
>>
>>    - https://n2t.net/ark:/13960/t3d01wt5n
>>
>> The previews will appear in the next few hours.
>>
>> Best wishes and thanks again to the contributors (I did nothing).
>>
>> Dominik
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
>> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> sas.ualberta.ca
>>
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From j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl  Tue Apr 14 10:41:32 2020
From: j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl (Joanna Jurewicz)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 12:41:32 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Shloka Singing Styles / Tunes
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Message-ID: <CAAPrgbqTtpU0HGBP7d5tbxiPQZVUdn0Tcbu5CMC_i-88hZgQ1A@mail.gmail.com>

I have the same problem.

best,

Joanna Jurewicz

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Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia

Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

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pon., 13 kwi 2020 o 23:07 Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

> Dear M?rcis
>
> I can see the slides in Dropbox but can?t find a way to play the music
> examples.
>
> Valerie J Roebuck
> Manchester UK
>
> > On 13 Apr 2020, at 07:25, M?rcis Gas?ns via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >
> > Reposting a post from ??????? ?????
> >
> > Hariom.
> > ?????? to all the parishad scholars.
> > Happy to write after long time regarding some interesting work.
> > I would like to share an experience and seek help.
> > I was teaching some students some shlokas and one of them suddenly asked
> - "How many shloka singing styles are there?"
> > I thought for a little while, and said- Many! Some belong to North
> India, some South, some to Maharashtra, some traditional, some created by
> films and singers. Then the organizer of those lesson-sessions requested me
> to prepare something in detail to share with the students.
> > Then with the help of youtube, and other sources, I prepared this PPT (
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/mbi5a4qluidn7kw/ShlokaSingingStyles.pptx?dl=0).
> Right now just for Shloka meter- that is popular Anushtup, not any other
> vrtta.. (I tried to take only one shloka and sing, but it was difficult;
> hence samples are a little varying.) And one more limitation is that I
> belong to South India, so lot of North is missed! And just now it struck-
> are there any NRI tunes/videshi tunes?
> >
> > Thanks to the questioner! His question opened doors into new area of
> thinking for me. I realized while working on this, that I am totally
> unaware of tunes which are Bengali, Oriya, Gujarati, Kashmiri, Himachal
> Pradesh etc. and many more sources might be there. I also wrote a small
> write-up with my limited knowledge- which I just copy pasted below. Much
> can be added to make it complete. Eg. how to people get to some tune? How
> do they originate? Actually get propagated?
> > One thing I wanted to keep away for classical music.. exclude the Ragas.
> I just wanted tunes that mark something, and flew into the people at
> large.. not like someone sang somewhere and it remained there.
> >
> > Now the help that I seek from this learned parishad is- please provide
> me audio samples from missing places. (I mean that not included in the
> audios in the PPT.) Let me have any more information upon this subject, and
> please let me know if such an endeavour has been made before by anyone-
> please provide the links and names and if possible, the work also. Further
> light on classification could also help. Any aspect of this area would be
> helpful in increasing my knowledge.
> >
> > This is purely out of interest.. nothing academic. :)
> >
> > Tunes are sometimes generated by some popular film makers and they get
> to the people so much that we start to believe that this must be
> traditional tune. Some musicians also introduce some good tunes for shlokas.
> >             Tunes can be divided into ? 1. Traditional tunes 2. Tunes
> developed by individuals. Then one more classification is like- 1. For
> recitation 2. For chanting. Most of the times the classical music element
> involved in shlokas, long drawn musical notes,  is only for beautification
> and mostly avoided by general people.
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From SamuelG at cardiff.ac.uk  Tue Apr 14 11:16:30 2020
From: SamuelG at cardiff.ac.uk (Geoffrey Samuel)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 11:16:30 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Shloka Singing Styles / Tunes
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If you download the file to your computer you can play it in PowerPoint and you should be able to hear the music examples.

You may need to resize the Sanskrit or change the font to get it to read properly - some of it was off the bottom of the screen for me.

Geoffrey

On 14 Apr 2020, at 20:41, Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

I have the same problem.

best,

Joanna Jurewicz

---
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Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
00-927 Warszawa , Poland
Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
College of Human Sciences
UNISA
Pretoria, RSA
Member of Academia Europaea
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pon., 13 kwi 2020 o 23:07 Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> napisa?(a):
Dear M?rcis

I can see the slides in Dropbox but can?t find a way to play the music examples.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester UK

> On 13 Apr 2020, at 07:25, M?rcis Gas?ns via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
> Reposting a post from ??????? ?????
>
> Hariom.
> ?????? to all the parishad scholars.
> Happy to write after long time regarding some interesting work.
> I would like to share an experience and seek help.
> I was teaching some students some shlokas and one of them suddenly asked - "How many shloka singing styles are there?"
> I thought for a little while, and said- Many! Some belong to North India, some South, some to Maharashtra, some traditional, some created by films and singers. Then the organizer of those lesson-sessions requested me to prepare something in detail to share with the students.
> Then with the help of youtube, and other sources, I prepared this PPT (
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mbi5a4qluidn7kw/ShlokaSingingStyles.pptx?dl=0<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fmbi5a4qluidn7kw%2FShlokaSingingStyles.pptx%3Fdl%3D0&data=02%7C01%7CSamuelG%40cardiff.ac.uk%7Cbb6113c3c63442fb1af008d7e060864e%7Cbdb74b3095684856bdbf06759778fcbc%7C1%7C0%7C637224578786850981&sdata=miFIIMFwG8lMiGHXJBEGDLoJAl0%2B6NrrSc1aslOR9zE%3D&reserved=0>). Right now just for Shloka meter- that is popular Anushtup, not any other vrtta.. (I tried to take only one shloka and sing, but it was difficult; hence samples are a little varying.) And one more limitation is that I belong to South India, so lot of North is missed! And just now it struck- are there any NRI tunes/videshi tunes?
>
> Thanks to the questioner! His question opened doors into new area of thinking for me. I realized while working on this, that I am totally unaware of tunes which are Bengali, Oriya, Gujarati, Kashmiri, Himachal Pradesh etc. and many more sources might be there. I also wrote a small write-up with my limited knowledge- which I just copy pasted below. Much can be added to make it complete. Eg. how to people get to some tune? How do they originate? Actually get propagated?
> One thing I wanted to keep away for classical music.. exclude the Ragas. I just wanted tunes that mark something, and flew into the people at large.. not like someone sang somewhere and it remained there.
>
> Now the help that I seek from this learned parishad is- please provide me audio samples from missing places. (I mean that not included in the audios in the PPT.) Let me have any more information upon this subject, and please let me know if such an endeavour has been made before by anyone- please provide the links and names and if possible, the work also. Further light on classification could also help. Any aspect of this area would be helpful in increasing my knowledge.
>
> This is purely out of interest.. nothing academic. :)
>
> Tunes are sometimes generated by some popular film makers and they get to the people so much that we start to believe that this must be traditional tune. Some musicians also introduce some good tunes for shlokas.
>             Tunes can be divided into ? 1. Traditional tunes 2. Tunes developed by individuals. Then one more classification is like- 1. For recitation 2. For chanting. Most of the times the classical music element involved in shlokas, long drawn musical notes,  is only for beautification and mostly avoided by general people.
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From filipsky at orient.cas.cz  Tue Apr 14 11:57:17 2020
From: filipsky at orient.cas.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Jan_Filipsk=C3=BD?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 13:57:17 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_FW:__=C3=89tudes_v=C3=A9diques_et_p=C4=81=E1=B9=87in=C3=A9ennes=5Fmissing_Tome_IV?=
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Dear All,

The generosity and efforts of all concerned are marvellous and deserve the utmost admiration of all including a nit-picking nobody like my humble self.

Unfortunately, under Tome 4 one can find Tome VI (the same file as under Tome 6), but the proper Tome IV (Les hymnes to Vi?vedev??) is missing. I have the correct file at my disposal and am willing to share it, but 7,6 MB is probably too large to attach. 

Technically, I am not sure how to upload it to the Archive.org. Any help?

Best regards,

Jan Filipsky, Prague

 

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Through the effort and generosity of colleagues, we now have all 17 vols of Renou's journal, 1955-1969.  They are available at the Archive.org, at 

*	 <https://n2t.net/ark:/13960/t3d01wt5n> https://n2t.net/ark:/13960/t3d01wt5n

The previews will appear in the next few hours.

 

Best wishes and thanks again to the contributors (I did nothing).

 

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr 14 13:11:29 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 06:11:29 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Corona
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???????????????? ???????? ????? ???? ?
??????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ???????????? ??

In this world, doctors are the warriors in the fight against the
Coronavirus. Also blessed are their helpers. I offer my salutations to all
of them.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Tue Apr 14 16:14:29 2020
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From j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl  Tue Apr 14 16:15:30 2020
From: j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl (Joanna Jurewicz)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 18:15:30 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Corona
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Dear Madhav and other Poets,

Thank you so much for your poems, they make my isolation a little bit
lighter. Although everything falls down, Sanskrit is eternal ?

Best wishes,

Joanna

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Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia

Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz


wt., 14 kwi 2020 o 15:12 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

> ???????????????? ???????? ????? ???? ?
> ??????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ???????????? ??
>
> In this world, doctors are the warriors in the fight against the
> Coronavirus. Also blessed are their helpers. I offer my salutations to all
> of them.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr 14 17:08:54 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 10:08:54 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Corona
In-Reply-To: <CAAPrgbp4nQ9QHwhEJSi196oENucwjPtz9jwxLomwG7idj8vi9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfo61EFhRocQNSeQTr=3VUFQNqBUzgrcL3NP4OU_ESRWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Joana.  Focusing on Sanskrit helps me keep away from watching Trump
on CNN.  A definite needed distraction. Best wishes,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:15 AM Joanna Jurewicz <j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl>
wrote:

> Dear Madhav and other Poets,
>
> Thank you so much for your poems, they make my isolation a little bit
> lighter. Although everything falls down, Sanskrit is eternal ?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joanna
>
> ---
>
> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>
> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
>
> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>
> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>
> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
>
> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
>
> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>
> College of Human Sciences
>
> UNISA
>
> Pretoria, RSA
>
> Member of Academia Europaea
>
> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>
>
> wt., 14 kwi 2020 o 15:12 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
>
>> ???????????????? ???????? ????? ???? ?
>> ??????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ???????????? ??
>>
>> In this world, doctors are the warriors in the fight against the
>> Coronavirus. Also blessed are their helpers. I offer my salutations to all
>> of them.
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
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From drdj at austin.utexas.edu  Tue Apr 14 18:25:51 2020
From: drdj at austin.utexas.edu (Donald R Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 18:25:51 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Tatpuru=E1=B9=A3=C4=81hnika_of_the_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81=E1=B9=A3ya?=
Message-ID: <76F327B5-D24A-4303-9C64-907D3CC1EE50@austin.utexas.edu>

Dear Colleagues,

Could any of the wizards of online repositories of texts point me to the translation of Tatpuru??hnika of the Mah?bh??ya by Joshi and Roodbergen? I believe it is vol. 4 in their series through Poona. I see other volumes on archive.org, but cannot find this one. I would like to consult 2.2.6 specifically, in case the full text is not online.

Thanks in advance,

Don Davis
Dept. of Asian Studies
University of Texas at Austin



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From drdj at austin.utexas.edu  Tue Apr 14 19:53:04 2020
From: drdj at austin.utexas.edu (Donald R Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 19:53:04 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Tatpuru=E1=B9=A3=C4=81hnika_of_the_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81=E1=B9=A3ya?=
Message-ID: <4E65D0BA-A74B-467A-822B-F0F8AEF80FD7@austin.utexas.edu>

Thanks, everyone. I got three versions within an hour.

Best, Don


From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Donald Davis <drdj at austin.utexas.edu>
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 1:27 PM
To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tatpuru??hnika of the Mah?bh??ya

Dear Colleagues,

Could any of the wizards of online repositories of texts point me to the translation of Tatpuru??hnika of the Mah?bh??ya by Joshi and Roodbergen? I believe it is vol. 4 in their series through Poona. I see other volumes on archive.org, but cannot find this one. I would like to consult 2.2.6 specifically, in case the full text is not online.

Thanks in advance,

Don Davis
Dept. of Asian Studies
University of Texas at Austin



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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Tue Apr 14 19:58:07 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 21:58:07 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nick Allen - Tribute Volume for N. J. Allen: Call for papers
In-Reply-To: <BC17AAE5-13D4-4D7D-B35D-1CE13E609063@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <B8D529CF-DE80-41F5-A7A3-3C02BAAD89A4@uclouvain.be>

Tribute Volume for N. J. Allen: Call for papers
 

The editorial board of Nouvelle Mythologie Compar?e / New Comparative Mythology invites papers for a special edition of the journal to be offered as a tribute to our recently deceased friend and colleague N. J. (Nick) Allen, Emeritus Fellow of Wolfson College, Oxford. We seek contributions from specialists in those areas in which Nick had a strong abiding interest: (1) Indo-European comparativism; (2) Himalayan mythology; and (3) sociological aspects of mythology. Contributions should not exceed 75,000 characters (including spaces, but excluding footnotes andbibliography) and be submitted no later than 1 July 2021. The issue will be published online and in hardcopy by print on demand.
 

Please submit an abstract of no more than 1500 characters to Guillaume Oudaer <mailto:mythologiecomparee at gmail.com> by 1 June 2020.
 

Guidelines for manuscript preparation can be found on the website of the journal <http://nouvellemythologiecomparee.hautetfort.com/about.html>.
 

The editorial team of New Comparative Mythology


http://nouvellemythologiecomparee.hautetfort.com/archive/2020/04/14/appel-a-textes-call-for-papers-6229879.html <http://nouvellemythologiecomparee.hautetfort.com/archive/2020/04/14/appel-a-textes-call-for-papers-6229879.html>

Volume d?hommages d?di? ? N. J. Allen: Appel ? contributions
 

L'?quipe ?ditoriale deNouvelle Mythologie Compar?e / New Comparative Mythology sollicite des articles pour un num?ro sp?cial de la revue, qui sera offert en hommage ? notre ami et coll?gue N. J. (Nick) Allen, r?cemment d?c?d?, membre ?m?rite du Wolfson College ? Oxford. Nous recherchons des contributions de sp?cialistes dans les domaines pour lesquels Nick ?pouvrait un profond int?r?t: 1. le comparatisme indo-europ?en; 2. la mythologie himalayenne; et 3. les aspects sociologiques de la mythologie. Les contributions ne devront pas d?passer 75000 caract?res (espaces compris, mais ? l'exclusion des notes de bas de page et de la bibliographie) et doivent ?tre soumises au plus tard le 1er juillet 2021. Le num?ro sera publi? en ligne et en impression ? la demande.
 

Veuillez soumettre un r?sum? de 1500 caract?res maximum ? Guillaume Oudaer <mailto:mythologiecomparee at gmail.com> avant le 1er juin 2020.
 

Les normes de publication peuvent ?tre consult?es sur notre site <http://nouvellemythologiecomparee.hautetfort.com/about.html>.
 

L'?quipe ?ditoriale de Nouvelle Mythologie Compar?e.


> Le 25 mars 2020 ? 20:43, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> Echoing the sentiments of many on this (and other lists):  
> 
> Nick was a good man and a great friend. Since the early nineties he participated in our Round Tables, and then in the meetings of our Association for Comparative Mythology (<compmyth.org <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcompmyth.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C3b7382a8fd344f3e9fdb08d7d0f4d703%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637207622306054054&sdata=kktWIyvh0tD7W7TPBO4pamf9AeeXnhRDcV5K85FNx58%3D&reserved=0>>), for many years.
> 
> I particularly liked his comment (about my myth book) criticizing me that I had quoted him too many times!
> 
> We will now publish his presumably last paper, as per his last wishes,  in our myth journal, CM:  
> <https://compmyth.org/journal/index.php/cm <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcompmyth.org%2Fjournal%2Findex.php%2Fcm&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7C3b7382a8fd344f3e9fdb08d7d0f4d703%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637207622306064051&sdata=MAXqrgk5y9%2F88rQ41pXhXF%2FayJ%2Btvxj7eDQQOJO2MWM%3D&reserved=0>>
> 
> RIP !
> 
> Michael
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Geoffrey Samuel via INDOLOGY <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will miss Nick greatly too. I have known him for many years, and he was a good friend. I last saw him late last year in Oxford.
>> 
>> I entirely agree with the very positive comments people have been making. He was a warm, supportive and wise man, and I learned a lot from him.
>> 
>> Geoffrey
>> 
>>> On 25 Mar 2020, at 08:42, Greg Bailey via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> Wonderful man. He came to a number of our conferences held in Dubrovnik on the epics and Pur??as, and made a great contribution.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Greg Bailey
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
> 
> Michael Witzel
> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit, Dept. of South Asian Studies, 1 Bow Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA
> ph. 1 - 617 496 2990
> witzel at fas.harvard.edu <mailto:witzel at fas.harvard.edu>
> www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm
> 



> De: Steve Farmer via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] Nick Allen
> Date: 24 mars 2020 ? 21:35:45 UTC+1
> ?: Deven Patel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> R?pondre ?: Steve Farmer <saf at safarmer.com>
> 
> Nagaraj Paturi wrote:
> 
>> Wanted to know more about this scholar [Nick Allen] so fondly remembered and found this list:
>> 
>> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~njallen/complete_list.htm <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fusers.ox.ac.uk%2F~njallen%2Fcomplete_list.htm&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cd2ba09a8a12c4fd3966708d7d0330c69%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637206789983376220&sdata=ukOqE3TQO2UnAur1BO5R8p3om3ofPlfO%2FxFt1sQwLdY%3D&reserved=0>
>> 
>> And this:
>> 
>> nickallenbibliographypdf-0.pdf
> 
> Actually, on the last link: to get to the fullest bibliography of Nick?s works, go first here:
> 
> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~njallen/complete_list.htm <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fusers.ox.ac.uk%2F~njallen%2Fcomplete_list.htm&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cd2ba09a8a12c4fd3966708d7d0330c69%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637206789983386215&sdata=uhfaD%2Be7BDDipHe5DinW%2F4c9gxYrKK8VsqdAiZdeYP0%3D&reserved=0> (early works from 1971-2008)
> 
> which is then continued here (works from later 2008 - 2018): 
> 
> https://www.anthro.ox.ac.uk/files/nickallenbibliographypdf-0 <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.anthro.ox.ac.uk%2Ffiles%2Fnickallenbibliographypdf-0&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cd2ba09a8a12c4fd3966708d7d0330c69%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637206789983386215&sdata=xEMnLsTmKAWfAa6oS4bCGFZLHIxvzlFjJSYjEh3qwx0%3D&reserved=0>
> 
> Yes, Nick wrote a lot, and nearly right to the end.
> 
> Nick was a wonderful friend for the past 18 years or so. Besides his work as a Sanskritist and comparative anthropologist he was a regular participant in the Annual Conferences of the International Association for Comparative Mythology (IACM) ? formally founded in 2007 in Edinburgh, but going back three years earlier, to comparative mythology conferences Michael Witzel initiated at Harvard, Kyoto, and Beijing in 2004, 2005, and 2006. 
> 
> Nick?s work in comparative mythology was most closely associated with his extension of Dum?zil?s work in studies of Indo-European epic traditions, which Dum?zil and Nick after him argued were all based on earlier proto-Indo-European myths.
> 
> Besides being one of Dum?zil?s last and most articulate defenders, Nick was a warm and generous human being in every imaginable way. We argued good-naturedly for years about his defense of Dum?zil, but it never affected the warmth of our relationship.
> 
> I posted a note on Nick's death a bit ago on the Indo-Eurasian Research List (IER), which he contributed to frequently after Michael Witzel and I founded it in December 2004.
> 
> Right now, as we are planning the upcoming 14th Conference of the International Association of Comparative Mythology ? whose exact dates in part await the final judgment of the SARS-CoV-2 virus -- Nick's presence is deeply missed by everyone on the IACM Board.
> 
> Steve Farmer, PhD
> The Systems Biology Group
> Palo Alto, California
> 



On Mar 24, 2020, at 3:35 AM, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear List,
Nicholas (Nick) Allen passed away on last Saturday.
https://www.wolfson.ox.ac.uk/content/1138-dr-nicholas-allen <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wolfson.ox.ac.uk%2Fcontent%2F1138-dr-nicholas-allen&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cebbcd139e62c4a18220a08d7cffd3b74%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637206558860835515&sdata=XVcDRh%2B3rJ%2FJz7iqdgC3on9GPSPCrh2HJ8vnuCFerLE%3D&reserved=0>
https://www.isca.ox.ac.uk/people/dr-nick-allen <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.isca.ox.ac.uk%2Fpeople%2Fdr-nick-allen&data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cebbcd139e62c4a18220a08d7cffd3b74%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637206558860845513&sdata=rI97YWtW2MFYylNJwGvmUTRwkW%2FZA%2FeEfMmvxMMNznM%3D&reserved=0>
A Floril?ge of his comparative works was issued at the end of the last year: Arjuna-Odysseus: Shared Heritage in Indian and Greek Epic, London: Routledge, 2019.
TABLE OF CONTENTS:

List of figures.
List of tables.
Acknowledgements.
List of abbreviations.
Signs.
Introduction
1. A starting point
2. Five relationships
3. Homer?s simile
4. Hero and horse
5. Yoga
6. Crocodiles and nymphs
7. Monkey and dog
8. Durga? and Athena
9. Draupadi? and Penelope
10. Bhi?sm a and Sarpedon
11. Hesiod?s Succession Myth
12. Five elements
13. Rings and rotations
14. Achilles? shield
15. Dume?zil and Dumont
16. Yudhis hira and Agamemnon
17. Kauravas and suitors
18. Hanging over abyss
19. Gods descend to battlefield 20. Heroes and supercategories
21. Cyavana and Prometheus 22. Telemachy 23. Dro a and Chryses
24. As?vattha?man and the Wooden Horse. Bibliography.
Index. 

???????????????????
Christophe Vielle <https://uclouvain.be/en/directories/christophe.vielle>
Louvain-la-Neuve

???????????????????
Christophe Vielle <https://uclouvain.be/en/directories/christophe.vielle>
Louvain-la-Neuve





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From revolvingsound at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 23:20:45 2020
From: revolvingsound at gmail.com (Brian Campbell)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 16:20:45 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF Request: Esther Solomon's Avidya
Message-ID: <CALBYX4V9nqt6fotTC_FYC1rHw794Jck7u6MjxxnbW_25To2k7g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I am hoping someone may have, and be willing to share with me, a digital
version of Esther Solomon's "Avidy?: A Problem of Truth and Reality."
With best wishes,
Brian Campbell


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From revolvingsound at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 00:45:31 2020
From: revolvingsound at gmail.com (Brian Campbell)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 20 17:45:31 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF Request: Esther Solomon's Avidya
In-Reply-To: <CALBYX4V9nqt6fotTC_FYC1rHw794Jck7u6MjxxnbW_25To2k7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALBYX4WeRJcm_LJKn07ROOWg-5kqUJm8M4M8Lon1vqKtBMgx=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am deeply grateful to Aleksandar Uskokov for his lightning fast, and
helpful, response. The list is truly a kalpav?k?a. Best wishes,

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:20 PM Brian Campbell <revolvingsound at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I am hoping someone may have, and be willing to share with me, a digital
> version of Esther Solomon's "Avidy?: A Problem of Truth and Reality."
> With best wishes,
> Brian Campbell
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr 15 06:27:51 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 08:27:51 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Corona
In-Reply-To: <CAAPrgbp4nQ9QHwhEJSi196oENucwjPtz9jwxLomwG7idj8vi9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <072d332fef8cad988c4d8b3bb692c1e1@univie.ac.at>

???????? ????????? ??????????????????? ?
??? ????????????? ???????? ???????????? ?

?Like the universe, also Corona has sprung from illusion (m?y?).?
So it was once said by Brahman wearing four face masks.


Christian


Am 14.04.2020 18:15, schrieb Joanna Jurewicz via INDOLOGY:
> Dear Madhav and other Poets,
> 
> Thank you so much for your poems, they make my isolation a little bit
> lighter. Although everything falls down, Sanskrit is eternal ?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Joanna
> 
> ---
> 
> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
> 
> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia
> 
> Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
> 
> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
> 
> ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28
> 
> 00-927 Warszawa , Poland
> 
> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
> 
> College of Human Sciences
> 
> UNISA
> 
> Pretoria, RSA
> 
> Member of Academia Europaea
> 
> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
> 
> wt., 14 kwi 2020 o 15:12 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):
> 
>> ????????????????
>> ???????? ????? ???? ?
>> 
>> ??????????? ?????????
>> ???? ???????
>> ???????????? ??
>> 
>> In this world, doctors are the warriors in the fight against the
>> Coronavirus. Also blessed are their helpers. I offer my salutations
>> to all of them.
>> 
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> 
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>> options or unsubscribe)
> _______________________________________________
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> committee)
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From Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu  Wed Apr 15 11:46:35 2020
From: Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu (Lyne Bansat-Boudon)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 11:46:35 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Krishnamoorthy,_N=C4=81tya=C5=9B=C4=81stra?=
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Le 11 avr. 2020 ? 22:32, Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a ?crit :

Dear all,
Tall ask, but one never knows with this kalpataru:
Would anyone have a soft copy (interlibary loans being impossible with libraries shut...) of
N?tya??stra of Bharata, with the Abhinavabh?rati of Abhinavagupta, v. 1, 4th ed. Ed. K. Krishnamoorthy. Baroda: Oriental Institute, 1992?

Thank you,
Ram

Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad
Fellow of the British Academy
Distinguished Professor of Comparative Religion and Philosophy
Department of Politics, Philosophy and Religion
Lancaster University
UK
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr 15 13:38:43 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 06:38:43 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdxU1KHwSkCikYv6m7EyuEqOrz-Fu=e=rn1kiNxT7xXNA@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

??????????????????? ????? ????????: ?
??????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ??????????: ??????

Scared of contracting the Coronavirus, the great king Nahusha left the
earth and heaven and situated himself in the middle.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Wed Apr 15 13:59:15 2020
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 15:59:15 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzdxU1KHwSkCikYv6m7EyuEqOrz-Fu=e=rn1kiNxT7xXNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6879F044-1CA7-4A58-87FE-B2B8C8496310@uclouvain.be>

Do you mean Tri?a?ku (instead of Nahu?a):

tri?a?kor ivobhayalokabhra??asya nakta?dinam av?k?irasas ti??hata?, Har?acarita 7 [249]

tri?a?kor upabhog?ya na dyaur api na bh?r api, Mur?ri, Anarghar?ghava 1.59 (ed. T?rzs?k)

see also K?lid?sa, Abhij??na??kuntala (Act. 2, just before stanza 17); Abhinavagupta, Paryantapa?c??ik?, v. 37; Mok?opaya 4,5.11

Acccording to the Malayalam Lexicon, the expression tri?a?ku-svarggam means "a state of suspense or indefiniteness"
   
> Le 15 avr. 2020 ? 15:38, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ??????????????????? ????? ????????: ?
> ??????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ??????????: ??????
> 
> Scared of contracting the Coronavirus, the great king Nahusha left the earth and heaven and situated himself in the middle.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 14:03:42 2020
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 16:03:42 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] article request
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf9-c6MXMNf0QobR=qSPXq37XFEp8OCEz_5C9nWtR4_VQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Indologist,

I am looking for this article:

David B. Gray 2005. ?Eating the Heart of the Brahmin: Representations
of Alterity and the Formation of Identity in Tantric Buddhist Discourse".
History of Religions,Vol. 45, No. 1 (August 2005), pp. 45-69.

Maybe someone can help me.

Sincerely,
Paolo

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr 15 14:15:10 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 07:15:10 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <6879F044-1CA7-4A58-87FE-B2B8C8496310@uclouvain.be>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfQqX7Tse5VkdP55_GKgB4mXgv5tmWKzrd+pyfNGxcq3w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Christophe,

     I have been half awake while writing this verse.  You are right.  Let
us make it Tri?a?ku.  Thanks.

??????????????????? ???????????????????: ?
??????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ??????????: ??????

Scared of contracting the Coronavirus, the great king Trishanku left the
earth and heaven and situated himself in the middle.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 6:59 AM Christophe Vielle <
christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be> wrote:

> Do you mean *Tri?a?ku* (instead of Nahu?a):
>
> *tri?a?kor ivobhayalokabhra??asya nakta?dinam av?k?irasas ti??hata?*,*
> Har?acarita* 7 [249]
>
> *tri?a?kor upabhog?ya na dyaur api na bh?r api, *Mur?ri, *Anarghar?ghava* 1.59
> (ed. T?rzs?k)
>
> see also K?lid?sa, *Abhij??na??kuntala* (Act. 2, just before stanza 17);
> Abhinavagupta, *Paryantapa?c??ik?*, v. 37; *Mok?opaya* 4,5.11
>
> Acccording to the *Malayalam Lexicon*, the expression tri?a?ku-svarggam means
> "a state of suspense or indefiniteness"
>
>
> Le 15 avr. 2020 ? 15:38, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
>
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>
> ??????????????????? ????? ????????: ?
> ??????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ??????????: ??????
>
> Scared of contracting the Coronavirus, the great king Nahusha left the
> earth and heaven and situated himself in the middle.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
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>
> ???????????????????
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> Louvain-la-Neuve
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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 14:41:34 2020
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 16:41:34 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] article request
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfiN8VPr5VBdJ0R=8GoK_YBSiOfaME8udHoj+Qunf7xDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf9egqKmb1id9Ry3vCbrtPnJLdPN=80bb+DUhsNyz_JxcA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you very much!

Paolo

Il giorno mer 15 apr 2020 alle ore 16:30 Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
ha scritto:

> Here is the article you are looking for.  Best,
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:05 AM Paolo Eugenio Rosati via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Indologist,
>>
>> I am looking for this article:
>>
>> David B. Gray 2005. ?Eating the Heart of the Brahmin: Representations
>> of Alterity and the Formation of Identity in Tantric Buddhist Discourse".
>> History of Religions,Vol. 45, No. 1 (August 2005), pp. 45-69.
>>
>> Maybe someone can help me.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Paolo
>>
>> --
>> *Paolo E. Rosati*
>>
>> *PhD in Asian and African Studies*
>> *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/Paolo
>> <https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>R
>> <https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>osati/
>> <https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>*
>>
>> *paoloe.rosati at gmail.com <paoloe.rosati at gmail.com>*
>> *Mobile/Whatsapp: (+39) 338 73 83 472*
>> *Skype: paoloe.rosati*
>> _______________________________________________
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
>>
>

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From peter.pasedach at googlemail.com  Wed Apr 15 16:51:35 2020
From: peter.pasedach at googlemail.com (Peter Mukunda Pasedach)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 18:51:35 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Scan_=C5=9Aivasa=E1=B9=83hit=C4=81_Tara_Press_1928?=
Message-ID: <CAE32J=6EOzC4md0d-Ujrc+ZJsf=8dsbUuMi2VJhkQUqH0qW16w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

would anybody happen to have a scan of the 1928 Tara Press edition of
the ?ivasa?hit?, from which the Muktabodha e-text has been typed in?

Best,

Peter





From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 18:14:40 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 14:14:40 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Scan_=C5=9Aivasa=E1=B9=83hit=C4=81_Tara_Press_1928?=
In-Reply-To: <CAE32J=6EOzC4md0d-Ujrc+ZJsf=8dsbUuMi2VJhkQUqH0qW16w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o_tO149w8bb_-fFBXAgVRz1ugPDu7-8sKtwLVL64=Vq8g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Peter,

I retired from Muktabodha a few years ago but at that time all the source
materials for the searchable section of the Muktabodha Digital Library were
at the India office in Varanasi.  I've sent you the contact information for
the supervisor of the india office offlist.
Thanks,
Harry Spier

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:52 PM Peter Mukunda Pasedach via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> would anybody happen to have a scan of the 1928 Tara Press edition of
> the ?ivasa?hit?, from which the Muktabodha e-text has been typed in?
>
> Best,
>
> Peter
>
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From beitel at email.gwu.edu  Wed Apr 15 20:19:31 2020
From: beitel at email.gwu.edu (Alfred Hiltebeitel)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 20 15:19:31 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfQqX7Tse5VkdP55_GKgB4mXgv5tmWKzrd+pyfNGxcq3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF629F2F-DE20-4BE6-822C-C2EFD507D5E2@email.gwu.edu>

Good work. I think this is better. Nahusa was in heaven seeking contact with Indrani when he was king there.

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dear Christophe,
> 
>      I have been half awake while writing this verse.  You are right.  Let us make it Tri?a?ku.  Thanks.
> 
> ??????????????????? ???????????????????: ?
> ??????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ??????????: ??????
> 
> Scared of contracting the Coronavirus, the great king Trishanku left the earth and heaven and situated himself in the middle.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 6:59 AM Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be> wrote:
>> Do you mean Tri?a?ku (instead of Nahu?a):
>> 
>> tri?a?kor ivobhayalokabhra??asya nakta?dinam av?k?irasas ti??hata?, Har?acarita 7 [249]
>> 
>> tri?a?kor upabhog?ya na dyaur api na bh?r api, Mur?ri, Anarghar?ghava 1.59 (ed. T?rzs?k)
>> 
>> see also K?lid?sa, Abhij??na??kuntala (Act. 2, just before stanza 17); Abhinavagupta, Paryantapa?c??ik?, v. 37; Mok?opaya 4,5.11
>> 
>> Acccording to the Malayalam Lexicon, the expression tri?a?ku-svarggam means "a state of suspense or indefiniteness"
>>    
>>> Le 15 avr. 2020 ? 15:38, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
>>> 
>>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>> 
>>> ??????????????????? ????? ????????: ?
>>> ??????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ??????????: ??????
>>> 
>>> Scared of contracting the Coronavirus, the great king Nahusha left the earth and heaven and situated himself in the middle.
>>> 
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> 
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)
>>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistinfo.indology.info%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cchristophe.vielle%40uclouvain.be%7Cea917c43c7e341e9d3b408d7e1428282%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637225548084156484&amp;sdata=%2BnHnk8GWN%2BMwD2lnFiRrpBt3nAtWtIWGiVx3ngmH%2B%2F4%3D&amp;reserved=0 (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
>> 
>> ???????????????????
>> Christophe Vielle
>> Louvain-la-Neuve
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 06:13:46 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 02:13:46 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Article needed
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o89b0awvzqAc-cfUPZB5HcX4zWrV2PvphZuob6PY=BUew@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Does anyone have a pdf of the article :The Yoga of the Netra Tantra: A
Translation of Chapters VII and VIII by Bettina Baumer

which is pages 3 - 34 of Tantrapu?p??jali Tantric Traditions and Philosophy
of Kashmir

published by Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts, New Delhi


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From timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 10:16:27 2020
From: timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 12:16:27 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf request
Message-ID: <9f57caeb-be8d-a872-5c69-5d1aa599ee73@gmail.com>

Dear List,

does anybody happen to have PDFs of the following books:

(1) Scharfe, H. 1971. Panini's Metalanguage.

(2) Bhate, S. and Kar, Y. 1993.Word index to the V?kyapad?ya of 
Bhartr?hari, together with the complete text of the V?kyapad?ya.

(3) Oberlies, Th. 1989. Studie zum C?ndravy?kara?a : eine kritische 
Bearbeitung...

It goes without saying, any help would be highly appreciated!

Thanks in advance and best regards

Tim



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From timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 11:34:45 2020
From: timfelixaufderheide at gmail.com (Tim Felix Aufderheide)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 13:34:45 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf request
Message-ID: <c01afc58-b715-f841-9a72-d836e547a6ff@gmail.com>

Dear list,

thanks a lot to everybody who replied to my request and provided with 
PDFs of all the works I was looking for.

Best regards

Tim






From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 12:56:30 2020
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (Girish Jha)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 18:26:30 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf request
In-Reply-To: <c01afc58-b715-f841-9a72-d836e547a6ff@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdrZG3J_06wg1Xt911HRWorhjE-B+jjToh67CFdPGNpRt0ExA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues
I also want to have the link to
the Word Index to the Vakyapadiya by Saroja Bhate.
Please give the same for which I would be grateful.
Regards
Girish K.Jha
Retd University Professor
Dept of Sanskrit
Patna University
Residence: Kolkata

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020, 17:05 Tim Felix Aufderheide via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> thanks a lot to everybody who replied to my request and provided with
> PDFs of all the works I was looking for.
>
> Best regards
>
> Tim
>
>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Apr 16 13:36:27 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 06:36:27 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcKVodc1BrYPNUoTRSdeXf-+034yT8mQ3K_vpvY0ckw3Q@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

????????? ? ?????????? ????? ? ???? ???? ?
???????????? ?????????? ???? ?????????????: ??????

Though Nahusha desired Indrani, due to the fear of Corona, he was not able
to touch her. The poor soul had no pleasure.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 14:55:26 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 10:55:26 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Article needed
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o89b0awvzqAc-cfUPZB5HcX4zWrV2PvphZuob6PY=BUew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o9p4QBJ71JhPG6fbk3+4XuXp1ANU8NzbtORfGcDVbUTyA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you to Hartmut Buescher for sending me the article.
Harry Spier

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:13 AM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> Does anyone have a pdf of the article :The Yoga of the Netra Tantra: A
> Translation of Chapters VII and VIII by Bettina Baumer
>
> which is pages 3 - 34 of Tantrapu?p??jali Tantric Traditions and
> Philosophy of Kashmir
>
> published by Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts, New Delhi
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Harry Spier
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Apr 16 16:19:51 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 09:19:51 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tony Joseph
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzeKKC0ZoF2Ta8x6M29zYGxzOAd=pUaGM72cAXjAckEYHw@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have contact information for Tony Joseph, the author of the
recent book "?Early Indians: The Story of Our Ancestors...'?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

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From hellwig7 at gmx.de  Thu Apr 16 17:10:07 2020
From: hellwig7 at gmx.de (Oliver Hellwig)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 19:10:07 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caland's translation of the Vaitanasutra
Message-ID: <65c693b8-b9ea-e18e-eeb5-da362be4ab73@gmx.de>

Dear all,

I'm looking for a pdf of this text. Does anybody have a scan and would
share it?

Thanks, and best wishes, Oliver

---
Oliver Hellwig, IVS Z?rich





From bgalasek at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 16 18:11:20 2020
From: bgalasek at googlemail.com (Bruno Galasek-Hul)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 11:11:20 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] email address of Dr. Katarzyna Marciniak
Message-ID: <9F76D987-6183-4673-83D1-02772F200D8B@googlemail.com>

Esteemed scholars, 

I would appreciate it very much if someone could provide me with a current email address of Dr. Katarzyna Marciniak, the co-editor of The Mah?vastu A New Edition. Perhaps she is a member of this list? My internet search failed. 

Many thanks! 
Bruno 

Bruno Galasek-Hul, Ph.D.
Cell: +1-203-507-0080
E-mail: bgalasek at pm.me
https://independent.academia.edu/BrunoGalasekHul
http://84000.co/about/translators/
https://mangalamresearch.shinyapps.io/VisualDictionaryOfBuddhistSanskrit/








From rhododaktylos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 18:15:52 2020
From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 20:15:52 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] email address of Dr. Katarzyna Marciniak
In-Reply-To: <9F76D987-6183-4673-83D1-02772F200D8B@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEjEOsAQ7G8ALJdi-9LSXtrtKG0WvmG_AT8hXcNyQfvcVw6=uw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Bruno,

What about this one?

http://al.uw.edu.pl/en/kadra/marciniak-katarzyna/

All the very best,
    Antonia

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 20:12, Bruno Galasek-Hul via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Esteemed scholars,
>
> I would appreciate it very much if someone could provide me with a current
> email address of Dr. Katarzyna Marciniak, the co-editor of The Mah?vastu A
> New Edition. Perhaps she is a member of this list? My internet search
> failed.
>
> Many thanks!
> Bruno
>
> Bruno Galasek-Hul, Ph.D.
> Cell: +1-203-507-0080
> E-mail: bgalasek at pm.me
> https://independent.academia.edu/BrunoGalasekHul
> http://84000.co/about/translators/
> https://mangalamresearch.shinyapps.io/VisualDictionaryOfBuddhistSanskrit/
>
>
>
>
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-- 
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cambridge-sanskrit.org
allthingssanskrit.com


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 18:44:04 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 12:44:04 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o8k4oTp=J0NQWQHo288biCuKxYVK2f2f7GcD3iMHCRzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdeJiDfCHE11iHLwcOqF66tPCu6a1S+7i3_aJcDUNvB8g@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with what I said in 1993 :-)  It's better than what I said in
2020.  Oh dear.


On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 17:39, Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> 1) This topic and this article were discussed on the indology list in 1997.
>
> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1993-October/000715.html
>
>
> Harry Spier
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 6:32 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Backus-Naur notation is often cited as a re-discovery of P??ini's
>> notational methods, not entirely without justification. This 1967 letter in
>> CACM by Ingerman started this particular hare:
>> https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/363162.363165.  Ingerman's assertion
>> rests on a simplified view of how P??ini's grammar works, ignoring many
>> features such as rule-ordering, blocking, and scoping.  Nevertheless, the
>> general idea of BNF-style rewriting rules is there.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
>> <https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> sas.ualberta.ca
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 03:27, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Friends, I'm wondering if I might be directed towards any objective
>>> discussion specifically related to Sanskrit and computers.To give some more
>>> context, this is an evolving component of my Imagining Sanskritland
>>> project. It links in with assertions like Sanskrit is the "language of the
>>> rural masses." The idea that Sanskrit is the best language for computing
>>> holds particular currency. I'm keen to look into it more. I'm guessing most
>>> are likely aware of the factoids circulating, which are ultimately based on
>>> the infamously disembedded NASA article by Rick Brigg's from 1985. It is
>>> consistently recycled as a means to justify several cultural nationalist
>>> assertions, one being that Sanskrit is the most "computerable" language. To
>>> illustrate, here is a very recent assertion,
>>>
>>> The language deserves to be treated much better than it has been so far,
>>> more so when it has been called the best ?computerable? language.
>>> Sanskrit?s credentials to be a language of future India are definitely
>>> better and greater than we have realised so far. Its revival will not
>>> only renew and revive the pride in our own cultural heritage, but will also
>>> bring about spiritualism and the concept of a meaningful society and
>>> polity, thereby bringing order and peace all across the country, a
>>> desideratum for any developed society.
>>>
>>> Since I'm not in any way a computer scientist, I'm curious to learn from
>>> members of the list. I have found many articles from obscure online
>>> journals and countless blogs that repeat the same things, quite often copy
>>> and pasted...just like the "Sanskrit-speaking" village rumors.
>>>
>>> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology
>>> to understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather,
>>> the aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that
>>> compete with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what
>>> I'm ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of
>>> this phenomenon, if it exists.
>>>
>>> Any advice is appreciated. :-)
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> ????? ???????
>>> Patrick McCartney, PhD
>>> Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development
>>> (OICD), Kyoto
>>> Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute,
>>> Nagoya, Japan
>>> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
>>> National University
>>> Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National
>>> University
>>>
>>> Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney
>>> Phone + Whatsapp + Line:  +61410644259
>>> Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap
>>>  Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/> Academia
>>> <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/> Linkedin
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
>>>  Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>
>>>
>>> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 21:56:51 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 23:56:51 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] WSC Canberra 18-22 January 2021: Section of Linguistics
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoCdpoxz+fDK_SY4hvu2Z1Rmypsy8_jjcgEyVkJ7nZ6JPw@mail.gmail.com>

WSC Canberra 18-22 January 2021: Section of Linguistics
Represented at all major universities in the world, Linguistics is one of
the most widely recognized branches of science.  It is also the scientific
discipline where solid and clearly identifiable pioneering achievements of
the Sanskrit tradition from the first millennium before CE onwards (in the
form of the linguistic analyses of the Padak?ras, P??ini?s grammar,
Bhartrhari?s linguistic theories, etc.) are most widely recognized.
Abstracts of papers in the broad field of Sanskrit Linguistics are invited
preferably in English because of its general accessibility, but also, in
view of its long-standing status as academic language in linguistics, in
Sanskrit. All abstracts proposed for the Section of Linguistics will be
judged in the same transparent way according to the originality of the
contribution, the indication of evidence in the form of linguistic
observations and citation of sources, the theoretical framework, and, if
applicable, a summary of the argument. Papers which primarily deal with
philological problems or with non-linguistic topics will be referred to one
of the other Sections of the conference.
Suggested areas of research:
- linguistics of Sanskrit
- linguistics of Vedic Sanskrit
- linguistics of epic, hybrid, classical Sanskrit
- sociolinguistics of Sanskrit and its relationship with Prakrit, Pali,
Apabhra??a, mediaeval and modern Indian languages.
- didactics of Sanskrit
- linguistic, grammatical, morphological, syntactic, semantic issues in
Sanskrit (... in Vedic, in epic ... Sanskrit)
- linguistic theories in Sanskrit works
- Sanskrit and the history of linguistics
This is a last minute reminder to those who were already planning to submit
an abstract but remained distracted by the exceptional situation.
Let us hope that the WSC in Canberra in 2021 will be for sanskritists and
indologists what the Olympic Games in Japan in 2021 hope to be for sporters
and sportfans: a light at the end of the tunnel.
Brendan Gillon
Jan Houben


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Apr 17 03:00:34 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 20 20:00:34 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Just a poem
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdshzidBXHvWGcixHKQ6OVVZ+utG_Kz+VEiM=vp8tQ4Qw@mail.gmail.com>

My verse in response to a beautiful verse by Balram Shukla Ji

????????? ???????? ??? ?????: ?????????? ?
?????????????????????????????????????? ?? ?: ??

Salutations to the glance that pierces someone but makes him excited with
joy. What is the use of other eye movements? They are just an eye exercise.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From peter.pasedach at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 17 07:15:07 2020
From: peter.pasedach at googlemail.com (Peter Mukunda Pasedach)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 20 09:15:07 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAE32J=5NafcOeZp2mvHRNYJWEGsxARiyztLX014h+-TuS0mHfw@mail.gmail.com>




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From vbd203 at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 17 12:25:12 2020
From: vbd203 at googlemail.com (victor davella)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 20 14:25:12 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Three Sanskrit Plays
Message-ID: <CAETY2G1O4ZZtoFCDbjJyXVqfQRoBO0zqK7ogSaE8k9pTWp5Qbw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

does anyone happen to have a scan of Michael Coulson's *Three Sanskrit
Plays*?

Many Thanks,
Victor


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Apr 17 13:43:53 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 20 06:43:53 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd-FboT7g9kuYyJvYRdBzAJv_1ngyuditDwH3NtJ=W=8w@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

?????????????????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ?????: ?
???????????? ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????

Nahusha, sitting in his chariot in the sky touched the feet of the sage
Agastya. However, due to the fear of Corona, the sage cursed him and he
fell to the ground.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr  Fri Apr 17 16:01:09 2020
From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 20 18:01:09 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrCof=mMbNPY2sn5-VWPV-c61e9GTYv8F_C02ubiD=ohbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7cc24a81-0ffa-fef9-5b3a-63aa917dc2f4@univ-paris-diderot.fr>

Dear Patrick,

I suspect that answering your question is a tall order.

(A) On the one hand, you would need feedback from people who have 
FIRST-HAND experience in the writing of grammars at the time of the 1st 
millenium BC

(B) On the other hand, you would need feedback from people who have 
FIRST-HAND experience in the writing of compilers in the 1960-s

And these people would have to be in direct contact, or IDEALLY, to be 
the same people.
;-)

Regarding point (B), the pointer given by Dominik this morning, as a 
followup to Harry Spier's reminder, was the starting point of a chain 
continued for instance by
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/355588.365140
which I remember reading, when going through D.E.Knuth's collection of 
articles, and also when trying, in recent years, to imagine how it was 
to use a computer, at the heroic time when people were inventing 
languages like "ALGOL 60" and were trying to write compilers for them,
which was not easy ....

Regarding point (A), the requirement brought to my mind the "d?clic" I 
had felt when I read, long ago, the expression "le regard critique d'un 
r?dacteur de grammaire" inside the following sentence, written by my 
EPHE colleague Georges-Jean Pinault, on p.338, inside a section of his 
contribution to the collective volume /Histoire des Id?es Linguistiques, 
Tome 1/ [Sylvain Auroux (ed.), Mardaga (pub.), 1989 (ISBN 2-87009-389-6)]

? Parmi les premiers commentateurs, seul K?ty?yana pose des questions 
sur l'organisation g?n?rale de l'/A???dhy?y?/, qu'il consid?re avec le 
regard critique d'un r?dacteur de grammaire ?


Therefore, I would like to suggest to you to try YOURSELF your hand on 
those two types of tasks (the writing of compilers and the writing of 
grammars) if you want to get an insider's EMPATHIC view of the reason 
which led someone to write that it was not enough to replace "Backus 
Normal Form" by "Backus Naur Form" as the oralized form of BNF (as Knuth 
had successfully suggested) but that one should go one step further and 
introduce the name of P??ini ...
:-)

Good luck

????????

-- Jean-Luc (in M?ssen, Germany)

https://twitter.com/JLC1956


https://tst.hypotheses.org/author/jlch

https://www.google.de/maps/@53.49484,10.57238,19z



On 12/04/2020 11:25, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY wrote:
> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology 
> to understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, 
> rather, the aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects 
> that compete with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. 
> However, what I'm ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the 
> sociological side of this phenomenon, if it exists.






From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Fri Apr 17 16:14:45 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 20 18:14:45 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzd-FboT7g9kuYyJvYRdBzAJv_1ngyuditDwH3NtJ=W=8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <764638dc906c32e052b556b3595ffb4d@univie.ac.at>


???????????????????? ?? ???????????? ?
??????? ??????? ?????????? ???????????? ?

Pervading the whole world, having no abode, moving through the air,
having but a minute body -- may the great plague called Corona fade 
away!


Christian Ferstl


Am 17.04.2020 15:43, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ?????????????????? ????
> ????? ?? ??? ?????: ?
> 
> ???????????? ?????
> ?????? ??????? ????
> ??????
> 
> Nahusha, sitting in his chariot in the sky touched the feet of the
> sage Agastya. However, due to the fear of Corona, the sage cursed him
> and he fell to the ground.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Sat Apr 18 06:06:47 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 20 08:06:47 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzd-FboT7g9kuYyJvYRdBzAJv_1ngyuditDwH3NtJ=W=8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc7a9f4f3feaaef8764e2fd29781dd5a@univie.ac.at>


???????? ?? ??????? ????????????? ??????? ?
??? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????????? ?

When Corona had come to Ayodhya and saw the righteous townsfolk,
it was pleased, bowed down, and did not touch anyone.


Christian Ferstl


Am 17.04.2020 15:43, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ?????????????????? ????
> ????? ?? ??? ?????: ?
> 
> ???????????? ?????
> ?????? ??????? ????
> ??????
> 
> Nahusha, sitting in his chariot in the sky touched the feet of the
> sage Agastya. However, due to the fear of Corona, the sage cursed him
> and he fell to the ground.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 18 13:00:43 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 20 13:00:43 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sarala Dasa's Oriya Mahabharata
Message-ID: <AM0PR09MB4388F3D56259B72B8629A33DA5D60@AM0PR09MB4388.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>

Dear colleagues,

For over 10 years now, I've had on my computer the raw material for the creation of a digital edition of Sarala Dasa's Mahabharata in Old Oriya:

  *   scans of the printed edition
  *   romanized representation thereof in txt files made by Oriya-literate typists in Auroville

There are problems with the data (some distinctions of the script have not been maintained by the typists, some ak?aras have been systematically misread), but I have never found the time for the thorough proofreading that I had intended to carry out, and am pretty sure it will never happen if it depends on me.

I think the data may nevertheless already be useful in their present form, if they could be processed to TEI and made available through GRETIL. But it would be ideal if some competent scholar (or team of scholars) would volunteer to proofread the data before or after they have been processed to TEI.

I will be happy to send all the material to anyone who comes forward with a credible plan of action.

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths



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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Apr 18 13:08:02 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 20 06:08:02 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfMvdfDQQKB4TvY-QYZD0exAhnfQ6NftsG0pYunTZJ9Cw@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

????????? ??????? ?????? ?????????????????? ?
?????????? ?????????? ?????????????? ??????: ??????

Noticing that the earth was overwhelmed with the danger of the Coronavirus,
the scared Dhruva [the pole star] sits in the space.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Sat Apr 18 15:43:09 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 20 11:43:09 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_ku=E1=B9=87=E1=B8=8Dalin=C4=AB-stava=E1=B8=A5_verse_3?=
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o8pBw66ve_nJNLgEbvd68k6Q+QJxnzURepm0r9HQrYB_w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,
I'm trying to translate the ku??alin?-stava? but I'm finding quite a few
obscurities in it.  The latest is in verse 3.  I'm not clear the meaning
of  sthala-gatir in this context and how it relates to the rest of the
verse.
Verse 3 is:

siddh?rth? nija-do?a-vit sthala-gatir vy?j?yate vidyay?

ku??aly? kula-m?rga-mukta-nagar?-m?y?-kum?rga? ?riy?

yadyeva? bhajati prabh?ta-samaye madhy?hnak?le 'thav?

nitya? ya? kula-ku??al?-japa-pad?mbhoja? sa siddho bhavet


In line 1 is it nija-do?a-vit sthala-gatir or nija-do?a-vit-sthala-gatir
and what is the meaning of  sthala-gatir  and how does it connect to the
rest of the verse?

Thanks,

Harry Spier


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From shrinsaha at gmail.com  Sat Apr 18 23:27:26 2020
From: shrinsaha at gmail.com (Niranjan Saha)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 20 04:57:26 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Reference_to_Ny=C4=81yacandrik=C4=81_and_NCC?=
Message-ID: <CAHuz+CrspoRzAkHTwwbHPsPVpWFYrL34F3Vak2AQdEt8cNabVA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,

I'm looking for bibliographical details (i.e. pdf of or link to) of the
following works to find out the reference to   Bella?ko??a R?mar?yakavi,
1875-1914, there.


1.  Ny?yacandrik? of  ?nandap?r?amun?ndra, Government Oriental Manuscripts
Library, Madras, 1959.

2. New Catalogus Catalogorum, Vol. I, ed. V. Raghavan, University of
Madras, 1968 (I'm not sure if Vol. I has reference to R?mar?yakav, or in
any other volume).


With regards,
Niranjan










Niranjan Saha, PhD (London), PhD [(ABD), Madras], FRAS
Assistant Professor in Philosophy,
Kaliachak College (Gourbanga University),Malda, WB, 732201

Publications:
> https://ismdhanbad.academia.edu/NiranjanSaha
>


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr 19 13:34:23 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 20 06:34:23 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcHE_HS7nUVtH5=mRT0DwF7wFD_toRZwHqVugPjs1d9dg@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????????? ?? ?
????? ???? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??????

Shakuntala said to Dushyanta: ?O Great King, though I love you, please go
back. The Coronavirus is spreading here.?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Sun Apr 19 15:10:40 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 20 17:10:40 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcHE_HS7nUVtH5=mRT0DwF7wFD_toRZwHqVugPjs1d9dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a403e300ff094864cad040a8a4e41569@univie.ac.at>

A forest scene:

?????????? ???????????  ??????????? ????????? ?
???????????????????????  ??????????????????? ?

??????????????????????????
???????????? ??????? ?
?????????????? ? ?? ???????
??????? ???? ? ?????????? ?

?Fortunately I am far from any human being living happily in the animal 
realm,
not infected by Corona,? the parakeet said and laughed.

A forest hermit heard the bird?s words.
Practicing social distancing
and sitting cross-legged he agreed:
?Yes, the world of mortals must be abandoned.?


??? ???
Christian Ferstl


Am 19.04.2020 15:34, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ??? ???????? ?????????
> ?????? ???? ????????? ?? ?
> 
> ????? ???? ?????????
> ????????? ?????????
> ??????
> 
> Shakuntala said to Dushyanta: ?O Great King, though I love you,
> please go back. The Coronavirus is spreading here.?
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 18:35:19 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 20 14:35:19 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mayavada (was Lines to an Advaitin)
In-Reply-To: <1473333675.1851533.1586389094223@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o_t_g_Uc0XHdDQLM2pyZOevHCqSXCxUJeYba79w9u=S7g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,


On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 7:39 PM Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> But some of the Advaitins I have spoken to say that that is a term coined
> by their opponents
>

Verse 3 of the kuNDalinIstavaH has the phrase:
  kula-m?rga-mukta-nagar?-m?y?-kum?rga?

I'm wondering if   m?y?-kum?rga?  in the phrase refers to  m?y?v?da and the
phrase means something like:
"having abandoned the bad path of M?y?v?da for the Kula path".

siddh?rth? nija-do?a-vit sthala-gatir vy?j?yate vidyay?

ku??aly? kula-m?rga-mukta-nagar?-m?y?-kum?rga? ?riy?

yadyeva? bhajati prabh?ta-samaye madhy?hnak?le 'thav?

nitya? ya? kula-ku??al?-japa-pad?mbhoja? sa siddho bhavet


Thanks,

Harry Spier


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From rajam at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 20 01:57:39 2020
From: rajam at earthlink.net (rajam)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 20 18:57:39 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] sanskrit and computers?
In-Reply-To: <7cc24a81-0ffa-fef9-5b3a-63aa917dc2f4@univ-paris-diderot.fr>
Message-ID: <D0CA7ACC-27DE-4A52-8173-4EA776546D52@earthlink.net>

I?d rather approach the problem/task at hand from a different perspective ? that is ? what computer language is suitable for describing/analyzing a human language. I have had exposure to human languages and computer languages, so I say this with confidence.  

Thanks and regards,
V.S.Rajam

> On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Patrick,
> 
> I suspect that answering your question is a tall order.
> 
> (A) On the one hand, you would need feedback from people who have FIRST-HAND experience in the writing of grammars at the time of the 1st millenium BC
> 
> (B) On the other hand, you would need feedback from people who have FIRST-HAND experience in the writing of compilers in the 1960-s
> 
> And these people would have to be in direct contact, or IDEALLY, to be the same people.
> ;-)
> 
> Regarding point (B), the pointer given by Dominik this morning, as a followup to Harry Spier's reminder, was the starting point of a chain continued for instance by
> https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/355588.365140
> which I remember reading, when going through D.E.Knuth's collection of articles, and also when trying, in recent years, to imagine how it was to use a computer, at the heroic time when people were inventing languages like "ALGOL 60" and were trying to write compilers for them,
> which was not easy ....
> 
> Regarding point (A), the requirement brought to my mind the "d?clic" I had felt when I read, long ago, the expression "le regard critique d'un r?dacteur de grammaire" inside the following sentence, written by my EPHE colleague Georges-Jean Pinault, on p.338, inside a section of his contribution to the collective volume /Histoire des Id?es Linguistiques, Tome 1/ [Sylvain Auroux (ed.), Mardaga (pub.), 1989 (ISBN 2-87009-389-6)]
> 
> ? Parmi les premiers commentateurs, seul K?ty?yana pose des questions sur l'organisation g?n?rale de l'/A???dhy?y?/, qu'il consid?re avec le regard critique d'un r?dacteur de grammaire ?
> 
> 
> Therefore, I would like to suggest to you to try YOURSELF your hand on those two types of tasks (the writing of compilers and the writing of grammars) if you want to get an insider's EMPATHIC view of the reason which led someone to write that it was not enough to replace "Backus Normal Form" by "Backus Naur Form" as the oralized form of BNF (as Knuth had successfully suggested) but that one should go one step further and introduce the name of P??ini ...
> :-)
> 
> Good luck
> 
> ????????
> 
> -- Jean-Luc (in M?ssen, Germany)
> 
> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
> 
> 
> https://tst.hypotheses.org/author/jlch
> 
> https://www.google.de/maps/@53.49484,10.57238,19z
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/04/2020 11:25, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY wrote:
>> I'm not, necessarily, curious about the intricacies of using technology to understand Sanskrit's grammar or digitize the humanities, but, rather, the aspiration to apply it to other machine learning/AI projects that compete with other conlangs specific to the task of coding. However, what I'm ultimately looking for is cogent discussion of the sociological side of this phenomenon, if it exists.
> 
> 
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Mon Apr 20 08:33:09 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 20 10:33:09 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcHE_HS7nUVtH5=mRT0DwF7wFD_toRZwHqVugPjs1d9dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7425d765b16cb75ea72f996ee48d9816@univie.ac.at>

Social distancing in the Dandaka forest:

???????????????? ????????????? ?????? ?
????????? ?????????? ????? ???? ????? ?

Although she was dwelling far from society and from her relatives,
in the arms of her lord and husband S?t? felt greatest happiness.


Christian Ferstl


Am 19.04.2020 15:34, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ??? ???????? ?????????
> ?????? ???? ????????? ?? ?
> 
> ????? ???? ?????????
> ????????? ?????????
> ??????
> 
> Shakuntala said to Dushyanta: ?O Great King, though I love you,
> please go back. The Coronavirus is spreading here.?
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Apr 20 13:31:29 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 20 06:31:29 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dze8CBJ-jQzmvLSEHdQopqGeH90d0=yN35a6HBSSdZFAYQ@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

????????? ????????? ????? ??? ?? ???? ?
?????????????????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??????

Rukmini said to Krishna: ?O Krishna, the best among men, don?t carry me
away today. Go back. After the Coronavirus goes away, come back quickly to
carry me away.?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Mon Apr 20 20:32:33 2020
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 20 20:32:33 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Vi=C5=9Bvar=C5=ABpa?=
Message-ID: <7F31B80F-630A-4292-8BEB-04D65DA3FFF4@austin.utexas.edu>

I have transcribed in searchable format Vi?var?pa?s commentary B?lakr??? (9th century) on the Y?j?avalkya Sm?ti. It is available to view here as a Google document, under Sanskrit:

https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/southasia/language-program/languages.php

As I mentioned earlier, the commentary on Y?j?avalkya by Vij??ne?vara called Mit?k?ar? (12th century) is also available at the same site.

If you find any typos or errors, please do let us know and we will correct the files.

With thanks and best wishes,

Patrick




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From glhart at berkeley.edu  Tue Apr 21 01:59:01 2020
From: glhart at berkeley.edu (George Hart)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 20 21:59:01 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammatical question
Message-ID: <7FA8060C-C6EA-43F3-B37A-11A572BC56DC@berkeley.edu>

I?ve been enjoying the discussion on Indology. A friend had a question about Sanskrit that I could not answer properly. It involves the pronunciation of anusv?ra before various consonants. I believe that before y, r, l and v, it is nasalized. Assuming that is correct, is it also nasalized before ?, ?, s and h? Some people say samsk?ta, with an m sound, but I always assumed it was a nasal sound. I think the nasal is put in the same phonetic category as the ? etc. ? i.e.in a??a it is a palatal nasal, in sa?sk?ta it is a dental nasal, and in si?ha it is sort of a velar nasal sound. The problem is, everyone seems to say simha (m sound), not the nasal sound. What do the grammarians say? Is there a correct pronunciation, or can one choose between the nasal and the ?m? before ?, ?, s and h? George Hart




From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr 21 02:49:58 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 20 19:49:58 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammatical question
In-Reply-To: <7FA8060C-C6EA-43F3-B37A-11A572BC56DC@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdCDBos+QwN5o2Xh=em_ms8G-EtVh6YznK9TPpQtayBTg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear George,

     As per P??ini's rules, a word-final *m* changes to *anusv?ra *before
any consonant [*mo 'nusv?ra?, hali*].  Then come option rules.  Before
*y/v/l*, an *anusv?ra *can optionally change to nasal versions of *y/v/l*.
Before the stops, it can optionally change to a nasal homogeneous with
the following stop [*parasavar?a*].  This leaves *r/?/?/s/h*, and before
these it remains *anusv?ra*.  In some Vedic traditions, in this last
environment, it becomes *n?sikya *or *ra?ga*.  Then there are rules which
change *n* into an *anusv?ra *in some environments.  This is the general
description according to P??ini.  Some other grammars do allow an *m
*occurring at
the end of an occurrence before a pause to change into *anusv?ra*,
reflecting some local variation.  Of course, the actual pronunciation
of an *anusv?ra
*probably differed regionally as we notice today, and different Vedic
traditions have conventionally settled ways of its pronunciation.  Also
rules that are optional in P??ini don't necessarily remain optional in
various Vedic tradition.  In most Vedic recitations I have heard, the
change of an *anusv?ra *into a *parasavar?a *nasal is almost done
invariably.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:59 PM George Hart via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I?ve been enjoying the discussion on Indology. A friend had a question
> about Sanskrit that I could not answer properly. It involves the
> pronunciation of anusv?ra before various consonants. I believe that before
> y, r, l and v, it is nasalized. Assuming that is correct, is it also
> nasalized before ?, ?, s and h? Some people say samsk?ta, with an m sound,
> but I always assumed it was a nasal sound. I think the nasal is put in the
> same phonetic category as the ? etc. ? i.e.in a??a it is a palatal nasal,
> in sa?sk?ta it is a dental nasal, and in si?ha it is sort of a velar nasal
> sound. The problem is, everyone seems to say simha (m sound), not the nasal
> sound. What do the grammarians say? Is there a correct pronunciation, or
> can one choose between the nasal and the ?m? before ?, ?, s and h? George
> Hart
> _______________________________________________
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 03:05:49 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 20 23:05:49 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammatical question
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzdCDBos+QwN5o2Xh=em_ms8G-EtVh6YznK9TPpQtayBTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o_HM-N6udwBUNwdzecYDTon=zBM7DZXYzb0_V=G4dqEMg@mail.gmail.com>

The two articles by S.K. Chatterji both titled "The Pronounciation of
Sanskrit" but written 30 years apart address the pronounciation of anusvara
in different parts of India and also whats considered "correct"
pronounciation of sanskrit.  I've attached one article and given you a link
to the second one on archive.ort

Indian Linguistics 21:  pages 61-82
I've attached this article

K. B. Pathak Commemoration volume  pages 333 - 350
https://archive.org/download/k.b.pathakcommemorationvolumes.k.belvalkar_272_w/K.B.%20Pathak%20Commemoration%20Volume%20-S.K.%20Belvalkar.pdf

Harry Spier



On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:51 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear George,
>
>      As per P??ini's rules, a word-final *m* changes to *anusv?ra *before
> any consonant [*mo 'nusv?ra?, hali*].  Then come option rules.  Before
> *y/v/l*, an *anusv?ra *can optionally change to nasal versions of *y/v/l*.
> Before the stops, it can optionally change to a nasal homogeneous with
> the following stop [*parasavar?a*].  This leaves *r/?/?/s/h*, and before
> these it remains *anusv?ra*.  In some Vedic traditions, in this last
> environment, it becomes *n?sikya *or *ra?ga*.  Then there are rules which
> change *n* into an *anusv?ra *in some environments.  This is the general
> description according to P??ini.  Some other grammars do allow an *m *occurring at
> the end of an occurrence before a pause to change into *anusv?ra*,
> reflecting some local variation.  Of course, the actual pronunciation of an *anusv?ra
> *probably differed regionally as we notice today, and different Vedic
> traditions have conventionally settled ways of its pronunciation.  Also
> rules that are optional in P??ini don't necessarily remain optional in
> various Vedic tradition.  In most Vedic recitations I have heard, the
> change of an *anusv?ra *into a *parasavar?a *nasal is almost done
> invariably.
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:59 PM George Hart via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> I?ve been enjoying the discussion on Indology. A friend had a question
>> about Sanskrit that I could not answer properly. It involves the
>> pronunciation of anusv?ra before various consonants. I believe that before
>> y, r, l and v, it is nasalized. Assuming that is correct, is it also
>> nasalized before ?, ?, s and h? Some people say samsk?ta, with an m sound,
>> but I always assumed it was a nasal sound. I think the nasal is put in the
>> same phonetic category as the ? etc. ? i.e.in a??a it is a palatal
>> nasal, in sa?sk?ta it is a dental nasal, and in si?ha it is sort of a velar
>> nasal sound. The problem is, everyone seems to say simha (m sound), not the
>> nasal sound. What do the grammarians say? Is there a correct pronunciation,
>> or can one choose between the nasal and the ?m? before ?, ?, s and h?
>> George Hart
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr 21 04:31:04 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 20 21:31:04 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A Sanskrit logician
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzc=QOF7n129fWxH=kkmX1yGPKQ_n=CiJtXYvdNb+67+AA@mail.gmail.com>

A Sanskrit logician

??????????????? ??? ?????????: ?
???????? ????????????????????????? ????????? ??

Swooning over the sound T, and always attracted to the words ghaTa and
paTa, the logician with the tip of his tongue stuck to the top of his mouth
looks like a monkey!

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Tue Apr 21 06:32:44 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 08:32:44 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
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Social distancing in the Dandaka forest:

????????? ???????????? ???????? ?????????? ?
????????? ?????????? ????????????? ?????????? ?

When he saw his wife removed from society he was sorry.
But watching her familiarity with the animals, Rama became happy.


Christian Ferstl


Am 20.04.2020 15:31, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ????????? ?????????
> ????? ??? ?? ???? ?
> 
> ??????????????????
> ?????? ?????? ???????
> ??????
> 
> Rukmini said to Krishna: ?O Krishna, the best among men, don?t
> carry me away today. Go back. After the Coronavirus goes away, come
> back quickly to carry me away.?
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From dominik.haas at univie.ac.at  Tue Apr 21 07:54:01 2020
From: dominik.haas at univie.ac.at (Dominik Haas)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 09:54:01 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammatical question
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Given that it originally was an m, my own practical solution to 
pronouncing the /anusv?ra ?/ is to simply speak an m, but without 
letting the lips touch each other. This can be practised by putting two 
fingers between them ? stopping before the teeth, of course ? and then 
trying to say "/sa?yoga/" or "/sa?s?ra/." You can think of the dot in /? 
/as the finger in this case, but in my experience, two fingers are needed.

Now this is only one way to pronounce it, but it's simple and working 
(tested with students also). Most importantly, it prevents one from 
speaking an actual m in words like "/sa?sk?ta/." I personally have the 
feeling that P??ini would have approved of it, but of course I do not 
have proof for this!

D Haas



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Am 21.04.2020 um 05:05 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY:
> The two articles by S.K. Chatterji both titled "The Pronounciation of 
> Sanskrit" but written 30 years apart address the pronounciation of 
> anusvara in different parts of India and also whats considered 
> "correct" pronounciation of sanskrit. I've attached one article and 
> given you a link to the second one on archive.ort
>
> Indian Linguistics 21:? pages 61-82
> I've attached this article
>
> K. B. Pathak Commemoration volume? pages 333 - 350
> https://archive.org/download/k.b.pathakcommemorationvolumes.k.belvalkar_272_w/K.B.%20Pathak%20Commemoration%20Volume%20-S.K.%20Belvalkar.pdf
>
> Harry Spier
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:51 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY 
> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
>     Dear George,
>
>     ? ? ?As per P??ini's rules, a word-final /m/?changes to /anusv?ra
>     /before any consonant [/mo 'nusv?ra?, hali/].? Then come option
>     rules.? Before /y/v/l/, an /anusv?ra /can optionally change to
>     nasal versions of /y/v/l/.? Before the stops, it can optionally
>     change to a nasal homogeneous with the?following stop
>     [/parasavar?a/].? This leaves /r/?/?/s/h/, and before these it
>     remains /anusv?ra/.? In some Vedic traditions, in this last
>     environment, it becomes /n?sikya /or /ra?ga/.? Then there are
>     rules which change /n/?into an /anusv?ra /in some environments.?
>     This is the general description according to P??ini.? Some other
>     grammars do allow an /m /occurring?at the end of an occurrence
>     before a pause to change into /anusv?ra/, reflecting some local
>     variation.? Of course, the actual pronunciation of an /anusv?ra
>     /probably differed regionally as we notice today, and different
>     Vedic traditions have conventionally settled ways of its
>     pronunciation.? Also rules that are optional in P??ini don't
>     necessarily remain optional in various Vedic tradition.? In most
>     Vedic recitations I have heard, the change of an /anusv?ra /into a
>     /parasavar?a /nasal is almost done invariably.
>
>     Madhav
>
>     Madhav M. Deshpande
>     Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>     University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>     Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
>     [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
>     On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:59 PM George Hart via INDOLOGY
>     <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>     wrote:
>
>         I?ve been enjoying the discussion on Indology. A friend had a
>         question about Sanskrit that I could not answer properly. It
>         involves the pronunciation of anusv?ra before various
>         consonants. I believe that before y, r, l and v, it is
>         nasalized. Assuming that is correct, is it also nasalized
>         before ?, ?, s and h? Some people say samsk?ta, with an m
>         sound, but I always assumed it was a nasal sound. I think the
>         nasal is put in the same phonetic category as the ? etc. ?
>         i.e.in <http://i.e.in> a??a it is a palatal nasal, in sa?sk?ta
>         it is a dental nasal, and in si?ha it is sort of a velar nasal
>         sound. The problem is, everyone seems to say simha (m sound),
>         not the nasal sound. What do the grammarians say? Is there a
>         correct pronunciation, or can one choose between the nasal and
>         the ?m? before ?, ?, s and h? George Hart
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From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de  Tue Apr 21 08:43:57 2020
From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 10:43:57 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Re:  Grammatical question
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Message-ID: <5E9ECE6D020000C3000AB07B@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>

Dear List members,

regarding rendition of sam?skr?ta- to sanskr?ta-, to my knowledge this
is not considered to be accepted in the higher register, or is it
described as such anywhere? This might simply be a result of
contamination from the vernacular, lower register, into the higher one,
due to classic phonotactical assimilation during the natural
articulation process, so ?the nasal is put in the same phonetic
category?, as George said. 

On the contrary, renditions of sam?skr?ta- (where anusva?ra ? as usual
behaving rather like a simple nasal placeholder ? inevitably is prone to
assimilation) or sam?skr?ta- might rather just be allophones (and
consequently allographs) in differently standardized languages and/or
dialects. 

And samskr?ta-, afaik, would be an outrageous violation of articulatory
norms and practice in the higher registers of Vedic Sanskrit as well as
Epic-Classical Sanskrit. 

I guess, the same holds true for sim?ha- to simha- (?!), where the
assimilation of anusva?ra to the velar nasal seems to be common.

Best,


Raik Strunz









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??????????? ??????? ?
 

>>> Dominik Haas via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> 21.04.20
9.56 Uhr >>>
     
     
     Given that it originally was an m, my own practical solution to    
  pronouncing the anusv?ra ? is to simply speak an m, but       without
letting the lips touch each other. This can be practised       by
putting two fingers between them ? stopping before the teeth,       of
course ? and then trying to say "sa?yoga" or "sa?s?ra."       You can
think of the dot in ? as the finger in this case,       but in my
experience, two fingers are needed. 
     
     Now this is only one way to pronounce it, but it's simple and      
working (tested with students also). Most importantly, it prevents      
one from speaking an actual m in words like "sa?sk?ta." I      
personally have the feeling that P??ini would have approved of it,      
but of course I do not have proof for this! 
     
            D Haas 
            
       
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     Am 21.04.2020 um 05:05 schrieb Harry       Spier via INDOLOGY:
     
                   The two articles by S.K. Chatterji both titled "The  
      Pronounciation of Sanskrit" but written 30 years apart address    
    the pronounciation of anusvara in different parts of India and      
  also whats considered "correct" pronounciation of sanskrit.         
I've attached one article and given you a link to the second one        
on archive.ort         
           Indian Linguistics 21:  pages 61-82
           I've attached this article
           
           
           K. B. Pathak Commemoration volume  pages 333 - 350  
          
https://archive.org/download/k.b.pathakcommemorationvolumes.k.belvalkar_272_w/K.B.%20Pathak%20Commemoration%20Volume%20-S.K.%20Belvalkar.pdf
           
           
           Harry Spier
           
             
             
           
         
       
       
                On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:51           PM Madhav
Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>           wrote:
         
                    Dear George,             
                            As per P??ini's rules, a word-final m changes         
     to anusv?ra before any consonant [mo                 'nusv?ra?,
hali].  Then come option rules.  Before y/v/l,               an anusv?ra
can optionally change to nasal               versions of y/v/l.  Before
the stops, it can               optionally change to a nasal homogeneous
with               the following stop [parasavar?a].  This leaves
r/?/?/s/h,               and before these it remains anusv?ra.  In
some               Vedic traditions, in this last environment, it
becomes n?sikya               or ra?ga.  Then there are rules which
change n into               an anusv?ra in some environments.  This is
the               general description according to P??ini.  Some other  
            grammars do allow an m occurring at the end of an           
   occurrence before a pause to change into anusv?ra,              
reflecting some local variation.  Of course, the actual              
pronunciation of an anusv?ra probably differed               regionally
as we notice today, and different Vedic               traditions have
conventionally settled ways of its               pronunciation.  Also
rules that are optional in P??ini               don't necessarily remain
optional in various Vedic               tradition.  In most Vedic
recitations I have heard, the               change of an anusv?ra into a
parasavar?a nasal               is almost done invariably.
             
             
             Madhav
             
                                                                        
                                               Madhav M. Deshpande      
                    Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and                    
        Linguistics
                           University of Michigan, Ann Arbor,           
                 Michigan, USA
                           Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu       
                     Studies
                           
                           
                           
                           [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
                           
                         
                       
                     
                   
                 
               
               
             
           
           
                        On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at               6:59 PM
George Hart via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>              
wrote:
             
             I?ve been enjoying the               discussion on
Indology. A friend had a question about               Sanskrit that I
could not answer properly. It involves the               pronunciation
of anusv?ra before various consonants. I               believe that
before y, r, l and v, it is nasalized.               Assuming that is
correct, is it also nasalized before ?,               ?, s and h? Some
people say samsk?ta, with an m sound, but               I always assumed
it was a nasal sound. I think the nasal               is put in the same
phonetic category as the ? etc. ? i.e.in a??a it is a palatal           
   nasal, in sa?sk?ta it is a dental nasal, and in si?ha it             
 is sort of a velar nasal sound. The problem is, everyone              
seems to say simha (m sound), not the nasal sound. What do              
the grammarians say? Is there a correct pronunciation, or              
can one choose between the nasal and the ?m? before ?, ?,              
s and h? George Hart
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From vbd203 at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 21 08:55:27 2020
From: vbd203 at googlemail.com (victor davella)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 10:55:27 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammatical question
In-Reply-To: <7FA8060C-C6EA-43F3-B37A-11A572BC56DC@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <CAETY2G3QKAGDXsy7icy73YZ+n-Y33QfmRtKuNeGXUqzPhoxOQg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

it is a "fun fact" that the word sa?skart? can be pronounced 108 different
ways according to (some) grammarians. See Bha??oj? D?k?ita ad P. 8.3.34 (SK
138). The pronunciation sanskart? is, however, not among them.

All the Best,
Victor

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:59 AM George Hart via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I?ve been enjoying the discussion on Indology. A friend had a question
> about Sanskrit that I could not answer properly. It involves the
> pronunciation of anusv?ra before various consonants. I believe that before
> y, r, l and v, it is nasalized. Assuming that is correct, is it also
> nasalized before ?, ?, s and h? Some people say samsk?ta, with an m sound,
> but I always assumed it was a nasal sound. I think the nasal is put in the
> same phonetic category as the ? etc. ? i.e.in a??a it is a palatal nasal,
> in sa?sk?ta it is a dental nasal, and in si?ha it is sort of a velar nasal
> sound. The problem is, everyone seems to say simha (m sound), not the nasal
> sound. What do the grammarians say? Is there a correct pronunciation, or
> can one choose between the nasal and the ?m? before ?, ?, s and h? George
> Hart
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr 21 13:30:47 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 06:30:47 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] One more for the logician
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfVRK3odUp5yS_S08ZZrefsx9Jem_XdCyRQ_q0pnn_STg@mail.gmail.com>

One more about the Sanskrit logician

??????????????????????? ??????????? ???? ???: ?
???????? ???????? ??????????? ??? ??

Seeing him coming who chops the heads of good people with weapons like [the
words] "delimited," poets run away like goats.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr 21 14:04:59 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 07:04:59 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammatical question
In-Reply-To: <CAETY2G3QKAGDXsy7icy73YZ+n-Y33QfmRtKuNeGXUqzPhoxOQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfh2z1w8OSeSBEm=EawJn0XVWd6-Y53n9QzV_3mCx7Bhg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Victor,

     Your reference to "the word sa?skart? can be pronounced 108 different
ways according to (some) grammarians. See Bha??oj? D?k?ita ad P. 8.3.34 (SK
138)" reminded me of my early days of reading Panini, and the dread that I
felt as a student about having to explain these 108 variations in an exam.
There is a comic verse about the other example of ????+??????: where
numerous alternative forms are produced by using all possible options of
reduplication.  I don't fully remember it but the verse goes something like
???: ?????? ..???: ??? .. ?????????????? ???: ?????.  It just tells you
about how many students drop dead by the dread of these examples. Perhaps
Ashok Aklujkar or Saroja Bhate will recall the verse.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 1:56 AM victor davella via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> it is a "fun fact" that the word sa?skart? can be pronounced 108 different
> ways according to (some) grammarians. See Bha??oj? D?k?ita ad P. 8.3.34 (SK
> 138). The pronunciation sanskart? is, however, not among them.
>
> All the Best,
> Victor
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:59 AM George Hart via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> I?ve been enjoying the discussion on Indology. A friend had a question
>> about Sanskrit that I could not answer properly. It involves the
>> pronunciation of anusv?ra before various consonants. I believe that before
>> y, r, l and v, it is nasalized. Assuming that is correct, is it also
>> nasalized before ?, ?, s and h? Some people say samsk?ta, with an m sound,
>> but I always assumed it was a nasal sound. I think the nasal is put in the
>> same phonetic category as the ? etc. ? i.e.in a??a it is a palatal
>> nasal, in sa?sk?ta it is a dental nasal, and in si?ha it is sort of a velar
>> nasal sound. The problem is, everyone seems to say simha (m sound), not the
>> nasal sound. What do the grammarians say? Is there a correct pronunciation,
>> or can one choose between the nasal and the ?m? before ?, ?, s and h?
>> George Hart
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From christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca  Tue Apr 21 16:05:38 2020
From: christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca (Christoph Emmrich)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 16:05:38 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] obituary Rosalind J. Lefeber
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Dear Colleagues,


Allow me to share with you a brief obituary (attached) announcing the passing of Rosalind J. Lefeber. Dr. Lefeber received her PhD from the University of Toronto, where for a while she also taught Sanskrit. She is possibly best known to us for her contribution to the UC Berkeley R?m?ya?a Translation Project and her translation The R?m?ya?a of V?lmik?. R?m?ya?a V?lm?k?ya?. An Epic of Ancient India. Volume IV: Ki?kindh?k???a, introduction, translation, and annotation by Rosalind Lefeber. Princeton Library of Asian Translations. Princeton: 1994 (see also the Clay Sanskrit Library edition).


In sadness and with warm regards,
Christoph


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Associate Professor, Buddhist Studies
General Secretary, IABS

Director, Centre for South Asian Studies

at the Asian Institute, Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy

Chair, Numata Program UofT/McMaster

University of Toronto



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From c.ram-prasad at lancaster.ac.uk  Tue Apr 21 16:41:13 2020
From: c.ram-prasad at lancaster.ac.uk (Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 16:41:13 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf of book?
Message-ID: <LNXP265MB1484E8EEF3F079295A6788DC9CD50@LNXP265MB1484.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear all,
Would anyone have a soft copy of the following?
Lyne Bansat-Boudon. Po?tique du th??tre indien. Lectures du N??ya??stra. Paris, ?cole Fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient (? Publications de l?EFEO ?, 169), 1992

Thank you,
Ram


Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad
Fellow of the British Academy
Distinguished Professor of Comparative Religion and Philosophy
Department of Politics, Philosophy and Religion
Lancaster University
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From stella.sandahl at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 16:56:53 2020
From: stella.sandahl at gmail.com (Stella Sandahl)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 12:56:53 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Roz Lefever obituary Fwd: Roz and Maria
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR14MB23610F2B3B7405E7BAA812F6EDD40@DM6PR14MB2361.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1E6F5FCC-F507-4B90-9288-A54BBCDA12CB@gmail.com>

FYI:
The picture of Roz Lefeber in yesterday's Toronto Star obituary was taken from this photo.
It  is a very nice photo outside her house.
Regards to all
Stella Sandahl 

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: tony ram <tonyramires1 at live.com <mailto:tonyramires1 at live.com>>
> Subject: Roz and Maria
> Date: April 20, 2020 at 1:13:08 PM EDT
> To: "stella.sandahl at gmail.com <mailto:stella.sandahl at gmail.com>" <stella.sandahl at gmail.com <mailto:stella.sandahl at gmail.com>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 17:38:08 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 13:38:08 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Re: Grammatical question
In-Reply-To: <5E9ECE6D020000C3000AB07B@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o_EhP=m_tJigXS_zgU5Cze+me_JuSYSQ7JCMo14Wo7XPg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:44 AM Raik Strunz via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> . . . And *samskr?ta*-, afaik, would be an outrageous violation of
> articulatory norms and practice in the higher registers of Vedic Sanskrit
> as well as Epic-Classical Sanskrit.
>

About 20 years ago I wanted to check to check how vedic priests of the
taittiriya sakha pronounced classical sanskrit.  I wanted to check this
because in their chanting of the taittiriya-samhita, anusvara in certain
places is pronounced as a kind of "gum" sound.   To do this I collected
examples of taittiriya priests chanting the bhagavad-gita.  What I found
was that in the south (Kerala and Tamil Nadu) taittiriya priests when
chanting the bhagavad-gita pronounced anusvara as the class nasal before
consonents,  but before s ? ? y h anusvara was pronounced as "m".  This
agrees with what Chatterji said about pronunciation of anusvara in the
south.

I also checked the pronunciation of anusvara  by taittiriya priests from
Maharashtra  when chanting the bhagavad-gita and there, and the
pronounciation of anusvara befroe s ? ? y h was similar to what Dominik
Haas recommended.  I.e. pronouncing an "m" without closing the lips.

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From rpg at berkeley.edu  Tue Apr 21 19:49:17 2020
From: rpg at berkeley.edu (Robert Goldman)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 12:49:17 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] obituary Rosalind J. Lefeber
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR0101MB17074BB233777BFA0E5FBDF2EBD50@YTOPR0101MB1707.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <C8CFCECC-35FA-4A2C-B3FD-FAB1DDD974F3@berkeley.edu>

Dear Colleagues,

It was a source of great sadness to learn of the passing of Roz Lefeber, moderated only by the knowledge that her passing was peaceful one and a release for her from great suffering. 

Working with Roz on her translation and annotation of the Ki?kindh?k???a was a great pleasure. She was meticulous scholar with a deep feeling for the text and her translations were elegant, as was everything she set her hand to. She was also a sweet and gracious person, a joy to know and a delight to collaborate with. She will be missed.

Bob Goldman

Dr. R. P.  Goldman
Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South and Southeast Asian Studies
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:05 AM, Christoph Emmrich via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> Allow me to share with you a brief obituary (attached) announcing the passing of Rosalind J. Lefeber. Dr. Lefeber received her PhD from the University of Toronto, where for a while she also taught Sanskrit. She is possibly best known to us for her contribution to the UC Berkeley R?m?ya?a Translation Project and her translation The R?m?ya?a of V?lmik?. R?m?ya?a V?lm?k?ya?. An Epic of Ancient India. Volume IV: Ki?kindh?k???a, introduction, translation, and annotation by Rosalind Lefeber. Princeton Library of Asian Translations. Princeton: 1994 (see also the Clay Sanskrit Library edition).
> 
> In sadness and with warm regards,
> Christoph
> 
> ----
>  
> Christoph Emmrich
> Associate Professor, Buddhist Studies
> General Secretary, IABS
> Director, Centre for South Asian Studies
> at the Asian Institute, Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy
> Chair, Numata Program UofT/McMaster
> University of Toronto
>  
> http://www.religion.utoronto.ca/people/faculty/christoph-emmrich/ <http://www.religion.utoronto.ca/people/faculty/christoph-emmrich/>
> 
> 
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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 20:05:14 2020
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 14:05:14 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Re: Grammatical question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o_EhP=m_tJigXS_zgU5Cze+me_JuSYSQ7JCMo14Wo7XPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekZYp4YS3pt-femMPhGHNjwHX58UtOWrKWOjLYhd+tXf6w@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you to Harry for posting a scan of S. K. Chatterji's 1960 article on
"The Pronunciation of Sanskrit" from *Indian Linguistics*. I see that part
of the print is not always readable on the left side of the left pages in
the scans. I attach a scan of it that I made a couple years ago at Cornell
University Library Annex. My scan does show all the print, but otherwise is
not better. By then, Cornell had done away with photocopy machines where
one could lay the page flat on the glass, and had only scanners where one
had to lay the book down open and hope it laid fairly flat. It usually does
not lay flat, and the pages come out somewhat wavy in the scans. Sorry,
this is the best I could do.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr 22 01:13:47 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 20 18:13:47 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Corona Environment
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzditXOOSO39OL+exM-3=TZFJdWGPrSFmZzLb8f32bC05Q@mail.gmail.com>

Corona Environment

????? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?
??????????????????? ?????? ??????? ????? ??

The sun is shining brightly in the sky, and yet, bitten by the Corona
snake, people appear as if they are asleep at night.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de  Wed Apr 22 05:09:07 2020
From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 20 07:09:07 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Re:  Antw: Re: Grammatical question
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekZYp4YS3pt-femMPhGHNjwHX58UtOWrKWOjLYhd+tXf6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E9FED93020000C3000AB17C@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>

Thank you for that clarification! 

And also thank you for the 1960?s article and the other link,
Chatterji?s appraisal of the pronounciation of Visarga is especially
interesting.

Best,


Raik Strunz









???????????




Raik Strunz, M.A.


Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de
Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 


Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg
Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften
Seminar f?r Indologie
Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9
D-06108 Halle (Saale)


www.indologie.uni-halle.de


???????????


??????????? ??????? ?
 

>>> David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
21.04.20 22.07 Uhr >>>
Thank you to Harry for posting a scan of S. K. Chatterji's 1960 article
on "The Pronunciation of Sanskrit" from Indian Linguistics. I see that
part of the print is not always readable on the left side of the left
pages in the scans. I attach a scan of it that I made a couple years ago
at Cornell University Library Annex. My scan does show all the print,
but otherwise is not better. By then, Cornell had done away with
photocopy machines where one could lay the page flat on the glass, and
had only scanners where one had to lay the book down open and hope it
laid fairly flat. It usually does not lay flat, and the pages come out
somewhat wavy in the scans. Sorry, this is the best I could do.


Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.







 



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From arjunsr1987 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 06:24:00 2020
From: arjunsr1987 at gmail.com (Arjuna S R)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 20 11:54:00 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A Sanskrit logician to a Sanskrit Grammarian
Message-ID: <CAOy-tFTsrm4Dt3o20EV7HqreXy=oV9L2Y-wwkr_Otto8Gy=oPw@mail.gmail.com>

?????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???????? ?
?????? ????????? ??????? ?????????? ??? ??

bha, ga?, cvi (suffixes) will be called in the beginning and will be
changed to something, at the end.

Similarly, the grammarian, renowned as a chameleon always poor than a
monkey.

Regards,

Dr Arjuna
Manipal

On Tue 21 Apr, 2020, 10:02 AM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> A Sanskrit logician
>
> ??????????????? ??? ?????????: ?
> ???????? ????????????????????????? ????????? ??
>
> Swooning over the sound T, and always attracted to the words ghaTa and
> paTa, the logician with the tip of his tongue stuck to the top of his mouth
> looks like a monkey!
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr 22 07:00:50 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 20 09:00:50 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dze8CBJ-jQzmvLSEHdQopqGeH90d0=yN35a6HBSSdZFAYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d828556b7a29d1cd38721a795c787d0@univie.ac.at>


??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?
???????????????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ?

The child which is playing with flowers and with whom the wind is 
playing in the forest,
she is Shakuntala, innocent in regard to Corona and the like and 
untouched by common life.


In order to avoid verbal forms that are not sanctioned by Panini, I have 
revised yesterday's verse:

d?r?k?t?? sam?j?t sv?? patn?? d???v? sa socati /
tasy?s tu m?gasa?sarga? prek?ya r?mo hi tu?yati //

Thanks to Madhav Deshpande for his note on Panini sent off-list.


Christian Ferstl


Am 20.04.2020 15:31, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ????????? ?????????
> ????? ??? ?? ???? ?
> 
> ??????????????????
> ?????? ?????? ???????
> ??????
> 
> Rukmini said to Krishna: ?O Krishna, the best among men, don?t
> carry me away today. Go back. After the Coronavirus goes away, come
> back quickly to carry me away.?
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr 22 12:53:24 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 20 05:53:24 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <9d828556b7a29d1cd38721a795c787d0@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdUjkE_OAZqmp2VJq5FFXktdvYWp0W4AX=iZ5SqDZL-Ww@mail.gmail.com>

???? ??????? ? ???????? ???????????: ???????? ??????? ?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:00 AM Christian Ferstl <
christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:

>
> ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?
> ???????????????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ?
>
> The child which is playing with flowers and with whom the wind is
> playing in the forest,
> she is Shakuntala, innocent in regard to Corona and the like and
> untouched by common life.
>
>
> In order to avoid verbal forms that are not sanctioned by Panini, I have
> revised yesterday's verse:
>
> d?r?k?t?? sam?j?t sv?? patn?? d???v? sa socati /
> tasy?s tu m?gasa?sarga? prek?ya r?mo hi tu?yati //
>
> Thanks to Madhav Deshpande for his note on Panini sent off-list.
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
>
> Am 20.04.2020 15:31, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ????????? ?????????
> > ????? ??? ?? ???? ?
> >
> > ??????????????????
> > ?????? ?????? ???????
> > ??????
> >
> > Rukmini said to Krishna: ?O Krishna, the best among men, don?t
> > carry me away today. Go back. After the Coronavirus goes away, come
> > back quickly to carry me away.?
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 16:09:59 2020
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (Girish Jha)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 20 21:39:59 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzdUjkE_OAZqmp2VJq5FFXktdvYWp0W4AX=iZ5SqDZL-Ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdrZG29r8msFO9HonFo6sD=9i3F8VjAQxmLm7J3RA8CP+sNDw@mail.gmail.com>

???????????? ???? ?????? ???? ????
??????? ??????? ???????????????? ??????????
Girish K.Jha


On Wed, 22 Apr 2020, 18:24 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> ???? ??????? ? ???????? ???????????: ???????? ??????? ?
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:00 AM Christian Ferstl <
> christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>
>>
>> ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?
>> ???????????????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ?
>>
>> The child which is playing with flowers and with whom the wind is
>> playing in the forest,
>> she is Shakuntala, innocent in regard to Corona and the like and
>> untouched by common life.
>>
>>
>> In order to avoid verbal forms that are not sanctioned by Panini, I have
>> revised yesterday's verse:
>>
>> d?r?k?t?? sam?j?t sv?? patn?? d???v? sa socati /
>> tasy?s tu m?gasa?sarga? prek?ya r?mo hi tu?yati //
>>
>> Thanks to Madhav Deshpande for his note on Panini sent off-list.
>>
>>
>> Christian Ferstl
>>
>>
>> Am 20.04.2020 15:31, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
>> >
>> > ????????? ?????????
>> > ????? ??? ?? ???? ?
>> >
>> > ??????????????????
>> > ?????? ?????? ???????
>> > ??????
>> >
>> > Rukmini said to Krishna: ?O Krishna, the best among men, don?t
>> > carry me away today. Go back. After the Coronavirus goes away, come
>> > back quickly to carry me away.?
>> >
>> > Madhav M. Deshpande
>> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >
>> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
>> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> > committee)
>> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>> > or unsubscribe)
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 16:18:32 2020
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (Girish Jha)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 20 21:48:32 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAKdrZG29r8msFO9HonFo6sD=9i3F8VjAQxmLm7J3RA8CP+sNDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdrZG1KoFPnFBizJMDZd7gRdHrd3Dtd1p+1_vX1x3DsnggqGw@mail.gmail.com>

???????????? ???? ?????? ???? ????
??????? ??????????? ????????? ??????????
Girish K.Jha


On Wed, 22 Apr 2020, 21:39 Girish Jha, <jhakgirish at gmail.com> wrote:

> ???????????? ???? ?????? ???? ????
> ??????? ??????? ???????????????? ??????????
> Girish K.Jha
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2020, 18:24 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY, <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> ???? ??????? ? ???????? ???????????: ???????? ??????? ?
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:00 AM Christian Ferstl <
>> christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?
>>> ???????????????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ?
>>>
>>> The child which is playing with flowers and with whom the wind is
>>> playing in the forest,
>>> she is Shakuntala, innocent in regard to Corona and the like and
>>> untouched by common life.
>>>
>>>
>>> In order to avoid verbal forms that are not sanctioned by Panini, I have
>>> revised yesterday's verse:
>>>
>>> d?r?k?t?? sam?j?t sv?? patn?? d???v? sa socati /
>>> tasy?s tu m?gasa?sarga? prek?ya r?mo hi tu?yati //
>>>
>>> Thanks to Madhav Deshpande for his note on Panini sent off-list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Christian Ferstl
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 20.04.2020 15:31, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>>> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>> >
>>> > ????????? ?????????
>>> > ????? ??? ?? ???? ?
>>> >
>>> > ??????????????????
>>> > ?????? ?????? ???????
>>> > ??????
>>> >
>>> > Rukmini said to Krishna: ?O Krishna, the best among men, don?t
>>> > carry me away today. Go back. After the Coronavirus goes away, come
>>> > back quickly to carry me away.?
>>> >
>>> > Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> >
>>> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
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>>> > committee)
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>>> > or unsubscribe)
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Thu Apr 23 06:31:31 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 20 08:31:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dze8CBJ-jQzmvLSEHdQopqGeH90d0=yN35a6HBSSdZFAYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77bf7ecfc3acec430798dea3ef97f93d@univie.ac.at>


No risk of infection in V?lm?ki?s hermitage:

???? ?????????????????? ?????????????????????? ?
??????????? ????? ???????????????? ?? ??????? ?

After playing with boars, elephants and other animals not infected by 
the virus,
the boys Ku?a and Lava touched the feet of their confident teacher.


Christian Ferstl

University of Vienna


Am 20.04.2020 15:31, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ????????? ?????????
> ????? ??? ?? ???? ?
> 
> ??????????????????
> ?????? ?????? ???????
> ??????
> 
> Rukmini said to Krishna: ?O Krishna, the best among men, don?t
> carry me away today. Go back. After the Coronavirus goes away, come
> back quickly to carry me away.?
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Apr 23 13:42:40 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 20 06:42:40 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfK=ERbt5Tk1zbmu9u4NJj5rfr2j4=TtfJ2Drw333BjdQ@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

?????? ????????? ????????????? ????
???? ???? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ???: ??????

The Coronavirus put a stop to all ceremonies of choosing the groom in this
age of strife. They will take place again after the virus goes away in the
coming age of purity.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 16:48:55 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 20 12:48:55 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Meaning_of_sa=E1=B9=85ketit=C4=81_in_verse?=
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o8+Dc_dLPnNckSfeqT2cx7n5=do0R_wfSEz_MfXqyqVrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Does anyone know the meaning of sa?ketit? in verse 4 of ku??alin?-stava?

v?yv?k??a-catur-dale 'tivimale v??ch?-phalonm?lake

nitya? samprati nitya-deha-gha?it? sa?ketit? bh?vit?

vidy? ku??ala-m?nin? svajanan? m?y? kriy? bh?vyate

yais tai? siddha-kulodbhavai? pra?atibhi? sat-stotrakai? ?ambhubhi?


Thanks,

Harry Spier


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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Fri Apr 24 04:57:13 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 06:57:13 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfK=ERbt5Tk1zbmu9u4NJj5rfr2j4=TtfJ2Drw333BjdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18ac996b2beeeb1e25a4b7f03e80c9c4@univie.ac.at>


?????????? ??? ????? ???? ?????????? ????? ?
??????? ? ????????? ??????? ??????? ?

?Where is she? We will certainly strike Corona!? Thus they shouted,
and, holding arrows in their hands, Ku?a and Lava made V?lm?ki laugh.


Christian Ferstl

Am 23.04.2020 15:42, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ?????? ?????????
> ????????????? ????
> 
> ???? ???? ??????????
> ????? ?????????? ???:
> ??????
> 
> The Coronavirus put a stop to all ceremonies of choosing the groom in
> this age of strife. They will take place again after the virus goes
> away in the coming age of purity.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 05:13:54 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 10:43:54 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <18ac996b2beeeb1e25a4b7f03e80c9c4@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eZZis-LfzG+-m2uS45L4iahpgWze7+c34_8Kgb8dt9nZA@mail.gmail.com>

Beautiful!

Delicately poetic.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 10:28 AM Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> ?????????? ??? ????? ???? ?????????? ????? ?
> ??????? ? ????????? ??????? ??????? ?
>
> ?Where is she? We will certainly strike Corona!? Thus they shouted,
> and, holding arrows in their hands, Ku?a and Lava made V?lm?ki laugh.
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
> Am 23.04.2020 15:42, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ?????? ?????????
> > ????????????? ????
> >
> > ???? ???? ??????????
> > ????? ?????????? ???:
> > ??????
> >
> > The Coronavirus put a stop to all ceremonies of choosing the groom in
> > this age of strife. They will take place again after the virus goes
> > away in the coming age of purity.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
>
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From j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl  Fri Apr 24 12:34:41 2020
From: j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl (Joanna Jurewicz)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 14:34:41 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eZZis-LfzG+-m2uS45L4iahpgWze7+c34_8Kgb8dt9nZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAPrgbqdEP+VW15=EdVOw0BYjbzod3BaDOL6266b6CycfzQANA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree. Beautiful!

---

Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz

Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia

Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz


pt., 24 kwi 2020 o 07:14 Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

> Beautiful!
>
> Delicately poetic.
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 10:28 AM Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> ?????????? ??? ????? ???? ?????????? ????? ?
>> ??????? ? ????????? ??????? ??????? ?
>>
>> ?Where is she? We will certainly strike Corona!? Thus they shouted,
>> and, holding arrows in their hands, Ku?a and Lava made V?lm?ki laugh.
>>
>>
>> Christian Ferstl
>>
>> Am 23.04.2020 15:42, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
>> >
>> > ?????? ?????????
>> > ????????????? ????
>> >
>> > ???? ???? ??????????
>> > ????? ?????????? ???:
>> > ??????
>> >
>> > The Coronavirus put a stop to all ceremonies of choosing the groom in
>> > this age of strife. They will take place again after the virus goes
>> > away in the coming age of purity.
>> >
>> > Madhav M. Deshpande
>> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >
>> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
>> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> > committee)
>> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>> > or unsubscribe)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Apr 24 13:19:43 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 06:19:43 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd1PhkKOZXJamqA5Z4G0TezFs61xKuA4k=DzjqgmwfzFg@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

??????????????????????????????????? ??????? ?
????????????????? ??????????????? ??????? ??????

With the arrival of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly be lost. With the
departure of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly return.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Apr 24 13:27:16 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 06:27:16 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <18ac996b2beeeb1e25a4b7f03e80c9c4@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdvbrEnALM8BvD_=D-aSGvD5RMuoT5KXsFiPpCCuQC6Ww@mail.gmail.com>

Absolutely charming, Christian.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:57 PM Christian Ferstl <
christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:

>
> ?????????? ??? ????? ???? ?????????? ????? ?
> ??????? ? ????????? ??????? ??????? ?
>
> ?Where is she? We will certainly strike Corona!? Thus they shouted,
> and, holding arrows in their hands, Ku?a and Lava made V?lm?ki laugh.
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
> Am 23.04.2020 15:42, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ?????? ?????????
> > ????????????? ????
> >
> > ???? ???? ??????????
> > ????? ?????????? ???:
> > ??????
> >
> > The Coronavirus put a stop to all ceremonies of choosing the groom in
> > this age of strife. They will take place again after the virus goes
> > away in the coming age of purity.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
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From vajpeyi at csds.in  Fri Apr 24 15:09:01 2020
From: vajpeyi at csds.in (Ananya Vajpeyi)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 20:39:01 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
Message-ID: <CAHxuC0SLQWR=z8A-mzJDEbVaVT7dBMP1hX_P07-UQ3LFe9HLug@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy of
Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be too
modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his colleagues,
students, friends and admirers know.

https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement

With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved
honour,

Yours,

Ananya Vajpeyi.

-- 

*Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.*
*Visiting Fellow, 2019-20 *
*CRASSH Cambridge University*
*EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk <av509 at cam.ac.uk>*
* http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi
<http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi>*

*Fellow and Associate Professor*
*Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi*
*EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in <vajpeyi at csds.in>*
*http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm*
<http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm>


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Apr 24 15:50:58 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 08:50:58 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
In-Reply-To: <CAHxuC0SLQWR=z8A-mzJDEbVaVT7dBMP1hX_P07-UQ3LFe9HLug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfBt7D-63kcHmEUZdSfcvifAEFrcEJN+AV3-sRJ8wWRGA@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations, Patrick.  Well deserved honor.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:10 AM Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy
> of Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be
> too modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his
> colleagues, students, friends and admirers know.
>
> https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement
>
> With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved
> honour,
>
> Yours,
>
> Ananya Vajpeyi.
>
> --
>
> *Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.*
> *Visiting Fellow, 2019-20 *
> *CRASSH Cambridge University*
> *EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk <av509 at cam.ac.uk>*
> * http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi
> <http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi>*
>
> *Fellow and Associate Professor*
> *Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi*
> *EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in <vajpeyi at csds.in>*
> *http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm*
> <http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From aparpola at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 16:08:01 2020
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 19:08:01 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfBt7D-63kcHmEUZdSfcvifAEFrcEJN+AV3-sRJ8wWRGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ABA55E1-62A6-4796-952A-AA9C4692D1AA@gmail.com>

I agree, well deserved! Congratulations! Asko Parpola

> On 24 Apr 2020, at 18.50, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Congratulations, Patrick.  Well deserved honor.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:10 AM Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> Dear Colleagues, 
> 
> Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be too modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his colleagues, students, friends and admirers know. 
> 
> https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement <https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement>
> 
> With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved honour, 
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Ananya Vajpeyi.  
> 
> -- 
> 
> Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.
> Visiting Fellow, 2019-20 
> CRASSH Cambridge University
> EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk <mailto:av509 at cam.ac.uk>
>  http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi <http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi>
> 
> Fellow and Associate Professor
> Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi
> EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in <mailto:vajpeyi at csds.in>
> http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm <http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm>
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Fri Apr 24 16:30:37 2020
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 18:30:37 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
In-Reply-To: <4ABA55E1-62A6-4796-952A-AA9C4692D1AA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFt+ZRWv2wnbMZnRKGwv851Eeq48_VXZKqLXAEtyTOvzWg@mail.gmail.com>

Gratulacje, Patrick -

Artur Karp
wdzi?czny czytelnik z Warszawy


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pt., 24 kwi 2020 o 18:08 Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

> I agree, well deserved! Congratulations! Asko Parpola
>
> On 24 Apr 2020, at 18.50, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Congratulations, Patrick.  Well deserved honor.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:10 AM Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy
>> of Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be
>> too modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his
>> colleagues, students, friends and admirers know.
>>
>> https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement
>>
>> With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved
>> honour,
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Ananya Vajpeyi.
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.*
>> *Visiting Fellow, 2019-20 *
>> *CRASSH Cambridge University*
>> *EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk <av509 at cam.ac.uk>*
>> * http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi
>> <http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi>*
>>
>> *Fellow and Associate Professor*
>> *Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi*
>> *EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in <vajpeyi at csds.in>*
>> *http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm*
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From vjroebuck at btinternet.com  Fri Apr 24 18:32:14 2020
From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie Roebuck)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 19:32:14 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
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Many congratulations!

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

> On 24 Apr 2020, at 17:30, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Gratulacje, Patrick - 
> 
> Artur Karp
> wdzi?czny czytelnik z Warszawy
> 
> 
>  <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>	Wolny od wirus?w. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <x-msg://7/#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> pt., 24 kwi 2020 o 18:08 Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> napisa?(a):
> I agree, well deserved! Congratulations! Asko Parpola
> 
>> On 24 Apr 2020, at 18.50, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Congratulations, Patrick.  Well deserved honor.
>> 
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> 
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:10 AM Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Colleagues, 
>> 
>> Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be too modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his colleagues, students, friends and admirers know. 
>> 
>> https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement <https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement>
>> 
>> With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved honour, 
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Ananya Vajpeyi.  
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.
>> Visiting Fellow, 2019-20 
>> CRASSH Cambridge University
>> EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk <mailto:av509 at cam.ac.uk>
>>  http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi <http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi>
>> 
>> Fellow and Associate Professor
>> Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi
>> EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in <mailto:vajpeyi at csds.in>
>> http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm <http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm>
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From beitel at gwu.edu  Fri Apr 24 19:44:09 2020
From: beitel at gwu.edu (Alfred Hiltebeitel)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 15:44:09 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
In-Reply-To: <4ABA55E1-62A6-4796-952A-AA9C4692D1AA@gmail.com>
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I too would like to say well earned and Congratulatioss, Patrick --
Alf Hiltebeitel

On 4/24/20, Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> I agree, well deserved! Congratulations! Asko Parpola
>
>> On 24 Apr 2020, at 18.50, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations, Patrick.  Well deserved honor.
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:10 AM Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy
>> of Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be
>> too modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his
>> colleagues, students, friends and admirers know.
>>
>> https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement
>> <https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement>
>>
>> With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved
>> honour,
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Ananya Vajpeyi.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.
>> Visiting Fellow, 2019-20
>> CRASSH Cambridge University
>> EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk <mailto:av509 at cam.ac.uk>
>>  http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi
>> <http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi>
>>
>> Fellow and Associate Professor
>> Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi
>> EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in <mailto:vajpeyi at csds.in>
>> http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm
>> <http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm>
>>
>>
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From hhhock at illinois.edu  Fri Apr 24 20:15:25 2020
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 20:15:25 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
In-Reply-To: <CAHxuC0SLQWR=z8A-mzJDEbVaVT7dBMP1hX_P07-UQ3LFe9HLug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2398E732-C2D2-492D-8770-AF2722F5FD15@illinois.edu>

Wonderful news! A well-deserved honor.

Congratulations to Patrick.

Hans Henrich


On 24 Apr2020, at 10:09, Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:


Dear Colleagues,

Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be too modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his colleagues, students, friends and admirers know.

https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement

With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved honour,

Yours,

Ananya Vajpeyi.

--

Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.
Visiting Fellow, 2019-20
CRASSH Cambridge University
EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk<mailto:av509 at cam.ac.uk>
 http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi

Fellow and Associate Professor
Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi
EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in<mailto:vajpeyi at csds.in>
http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm





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From Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au  Fri Apr 24 21:02:15 2020
From: Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au (Greg Bailey)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 21:02:15 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
In-Reply-To: <CAHxuC0SLQWR=z8A-mzJDEbVaVT7dBMP1hX_P07-UQ3LFe9HLug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DAC990C7.3C3DC%greg.bailey@latrobe.edu.au>

Congratulations to Patrick.

Absolutely well deserved.

Greg Bailey

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Reply-To: Ananya Vajpeyi <vajpeyi at csds.in<mailto:vajpeyi at csds.in>>
Date: Saturday, 25 April 2020 at 1:09 am
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured


Dear Colleagues,

Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be too modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his colleagues, students, friends and admirers know.

https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement<https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement>

With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved honour,

Yours,

Ananya Vajpeyi.

--

Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.
Visiting Fellow, 2019-20
CRASSH Cambridge University
EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk<mailto:av509 at cam.ac.uk>
 http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi<http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi>

Fellow and Associate Professor
Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi
EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in<mailto:vajpeyi at csds.in>
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From Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at  Fri Apr 24 23:13:12 2020
From: Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at (Eltschinger, Vincent)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 20 23:13:12 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
In-Reply-To: <DAC990C7.3C3DC%greg.bailey@latrobe.edu.au>
Message-ID: <b2f3be7fcb8d43328b7320d5a841d717@oeaw.ac.at>

Congratulations to Patrick !
A look at the list of the 2020 recipients in Section IV (Humanities and Arts) reveals that it includes at least two other specialists of Indian and, more broadly, Asian Studies : Paul V. Kiparsky, from Stanford University, whom I do not need to introduce to this audience, and Bernard Faure, from Columbia, a leading specialist of Chinese and Japanese Buddhism. Congratulations to them, too !
With kind regards,
Vincent


Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW
Directeur d'?tudes
?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris
vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05
________________________________
Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von Greg Bailey via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2020 23:02:15
An: Ananya Vajpeyi; Indology
Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured

Congratulations to Patrick.

Absolutely well deserved.

Greg Bailey

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Reply-To: Ananya Vajpeyi <vajpeyi at csds.in<mailto:vajpeyi at csds.in>>
Date: Saturday, 25 April 2020 at 1:09 am
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured


Dear Colleagues,

Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be too modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his colleagues, students, friends and admirers know.

https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement

With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved honour,

Yours,

Ananya Vajpeyi.

--

Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.
Visiting Fellow, 2019-20
CRASSH Cambridge University
EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk<mailto:av509 at cam.ac.uk>
 http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi

Fellow and Associate Professor
Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi
EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in<mailto:vajpeyi at csds.in>
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Sat Apr 25 06:43:22 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 20 08:43:22 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzd1PhkKOZXJamqA5Z4G0TezFs61xKuA4k=DzjqgmwfzFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91ab1cd8f246da375dfe775dc2760ac7@univie.ac.at>

For the children:

?????? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?
??-??-??-?? ????????? ???????? ? ????????? ?

"We are three friends, the cuckoo, the rohu fish and the snake,
the Corona gang, as they say, and we are striking the virus in the air, 
in the waters, and on the ground!"


A question to the grammarians: Can the rood adjective gha as the last 
member of compound be as freely used as the similar adj. -ghna, or is it 
restricted to lexicalised words like p??igha and r?jagha? I can hardly 
find instances of -gha in online texts.

Thanks
Christian Ferstl


Am 24.04.2020 15:19, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ???????????????????????????????????
> ??????? ?
> 
> ?????????????????
> ??????????????? ???????
> ??????
> 
> With the arrival of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly be lost.
> With the departure of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly return.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From zoepearl1 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 12:47:41 2020
From: zoepearl1 at gmail.com (Zoe Slatoff)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 20 08:47:41 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzd1PhkKOZXJamqA5Z4G0TezFs61xKuA4k=DzjqgmwfzFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89CE93D1-F544-43C8-87A5-065E35FAB997@gmail.com>

Dear Madhav and others,

Thank you for the lovely distraction. I feel inspired to join in:

?? ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ?

??????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ?????????* ?

And when, having attained this [infinite happiness],

One cannot imagine a higher gain.

Established in this, one is not agitated,

Even by the Coronavirus suffering. 

(based on Bhagavad G?t? 6.22)

* please forgive the hypermetric 4th p?da

 

????????? ???? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?

????? ??????????? ??????? ?????????? ?

Here, in yoga practice, there are many obstacles - 

The Coronavirus is difficult to ward off.

Nevertheless, the yog? should practice, 

Even if he is at his last breath.

(based on ?ivasa?hit? 3.53)



Warm wishes to all,

Zo?



> On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ??????????????????????????????????? ??????? ?
> ????????????????? ??????????????? ??????? ??????
> 
> With the arrival of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly be lost.  With the departure of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly return.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 12:52:04 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 20 18:22:04 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <89CE93D1-F544-43C8-87A5-065E35FAB997@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ebx4ZF=zGhO6NrDTjuS-gBOZvqMv+-cR9Vyp5O32C3EdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Highly inspiring !



On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 6:18 PM Zoe Slatoff via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Madhav and others,
>
> Thank you for the lovely distraction. I feel inspired to join in:
>
> ?? ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ?
>
> ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ?????????* ?
>
> And when, having attained this [infinite happiness],
>
> One cannot imagine a higher gain.
>
> Established in this, one is not agitated,
>
> Even by the Coronavirus suffering.
>
> (based on *Bhagavad G?t?* 6.22)
>
> * please forgive the hypermetric 4th p?da
>
>
>
> ????????? ???? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?
>
> ????? ??????????? ??????? ?????????? ?
>
> Here, in yoga practice, there are many obstacles -
>
> The Coronavirus is difficult to ward off.
>
> Nevertheless, the yog? should practice,
>
> Even if he is at his last breath.
>
> (based on *?ivasa?hit?* 3.53)
>
>
> Warm wishes to all,
> Zo?
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>
> ??????????????????????????????????? ??????? ?
> ????????????????? ??????????????? ??????? ??????
>
> With the arrival of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly be lost. With
> the departure of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly return.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Apr 25 13:11:01 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 20 06:11:01 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <89CE93D1-F544-43C8-87A5-065E35FAB997@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdBAUSJ+A7p4-3g_g4jqer--J1T91-91C9jw18zHStNJw@mail.gmail.com>

Zo?, that is excellent.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 5:47 AM Zoe Slatoff <zoepearl1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Madhav and others,
>
> Thank you for the lovely distraction. I feel inspired to join in:
>
> ?? ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ?
>
> ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ?????????* ?
>
> And when, having attained this [infinite happiness],
>
> One cannot imagine a higher gain.
>
> Established in this, one is not agitated,
>
> Even by the Coronavirus suffering.
>
> (based on *Bhagavad G?t?* 6.22)
>
> * please forgive the hypermetric 4th p?da
>
>
>
> ????????? ???? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?
>
> ????? ??????????? ??????? ?????????? ?
>
> Here, in yoga practice, there are many obstacles -
>
> The Coronavirus is difficult to ward off.
>
> Nevertheless, the yog? should practice,
>
> Even if he is at his last breath.
>
> (based on *?ivasa?hit?* 3.53)
>
>
> Warm wishes to all,
> Zo?
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>
> ??????????????????????????????????? ??????? ?
> ????????????????? ??????????????? ??????? ??????
>
> With the arrival of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly be lost. With
> the departure of the Coronavirus, peace will certainly return.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Apr 25 13:21:48 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 20 06:21:48 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd+n7BhAEfHfdCW4UDMtToQybTEZtL_rLzatFgFCkUVEw@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

?????????????????? ?????????????? ?
?????? ???????????? ?????? ?????????? ??????

With the fear of contacting the Coronavirus just by the touch of the
barbar, he is avoiding the barbar and growing his hair.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From arjunsr1987 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 13:43:27 2020
From: arjunsr1987 at gmail.com (Arjuna S R)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 20 19:13:27 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] [Department of Philosophy - Manipal] : MA Indian Philosophy - Admissions 2020
Message-ID: <CAOy-tFSE3Dk5Fd2QBmCVb2kbb8C7qD6uUY8Oe2nhJmHkJ+GHKA@mail.gmail.com>

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From lavanyavemsani at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 20:34:41 2020
From: lavanyavemsani at gmail.com (Lavanya Vemsani)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 20 16:34:41 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 87, Issue 27
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1587830402.12474.indology_list.indology.info@list.indology.info>
Message-ID: <2026AEDB-93A4-418D-B9DE-FE5AE754A7A5@gmail.com>

Wow, how nice! Many Congratulations to Patrick Olivelle! 
Lavanya 


Lavanya Vemsani 
Ph.D (History) Ph.D. (Religious Studies)
Professor, Dept. of Social Sciences
Shawnee State University 
President, Ohio Academy of History 
Co-founder, American Academy of Indic Studies 
Editor-in-Chief 
American Journal of Indic Studies
Managing Editor
International Journal of Indic Religions 
Associate Editor 
-Canadian Journal of History 
-Air Force Journal of Indo-Pacific Affairs
http://www.shawnee.edu/academics/social-sciences/faculty/lvemsani.aspx


> On Apr 25, 2020, at 12:00 PM, indology-request at list.indology.info wrote:
> 
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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured (Asko Parpola)
>   2. Re: Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured (Artur Karp)
>   3. Re: Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured (Valerie Roebuck)
>   4. Re: Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured (Alfred Hiltebeitel)
>   5. Re: Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured (Hock, Hans Henrich)
>   6. Re: Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured (Greg Bailey)
>   7. Re: Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured (Eltschinger, Vincent)
>   8. Re: A distraction from the Coronavirus (Christian Ferstl)
>   9. Re: A distraction from the Coronavirus (Zoe Slatoff)
>  10. Re: A distraction from the Coronavirus (Nagaraj Paturi)
>  11. Re: A distraction from the Coronavirus (Madhav Deshpande)
>  12. A distraction from the Coronavirus (Madhav Deshpande)
>  13. [Department of Philosophy - Manipal] : MA Indian Philosophy -
>      Admissions 2020 (Arjuna S R)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:08:01 +0300
> From: Asko Parpola <aparpola at gmail.com>
> To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> Cc: Ananya Vajpeyi <vajpeyi at csds.in>, Indology
>    <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Professor Patrick Olivelle honoured
> Message-ID: <4ABA55E1-62A6-4796-952A-AA9C4692D1AA at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I agree, well deserved! Congratulations! Asko Parpola
> 
>> On 24 Apr 2020, at 18.50, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>> Congratulations, Patrick.  Well deserved honor.
>> 
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> 
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:10 AM Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Colleagues, 
>> 
>> Professor Patrick Olivelle has just been elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, among the new members for 2020. He is likely to be too modest to share the news with us, so I thought I would let his colleagues, students, friends and admirers know. 
>> 
>> https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement <https://www.amacad.org/2020-member-announcement>
>> 
>> With warm congratulations to Professor Olivelle for this well-deserved honour, 
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Ananya Vajpeyi.  
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Ananya Vajpeyi, Ph.D.
>> Visiting Fellow, 2019-20 
>> CRASSH Cambridge University
>> EMAIL: av509 at cam.ac.uk <mailto:av509 at cam.ac.uk>
>> http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi <http://www.crassh.cam.ac.uk/people/profile/ananya-vajpeyi>
>> 
>> Fellow and Associate Professor
>> Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, New Delhi
>> EMAIL: vajpeyi at csds.in <mailto:vajpeyi at csds.in>
>> http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm <http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm>
>> 
>> 
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From j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl  Sat Apr 25 23:28:56 2020
From: j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl (Joanna Jurewicz)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 20 01:28:56 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzd+n7BhAEfHfdCW4UDMtToQybTEZtL_rLzatFgFCkUVEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAPrgbpY3TXXLtWB66hfEW8Jy3+2RihGbQWyCvOTAWOS6sa8TA@mail.gmail.com>

That's cute ?

---

Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz

Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia

Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz


sob., 25 kwi 2020 o 15:23 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>
> ?????????????????? ?????????????? ?
> ?????? ???????????? ?????? ?????????? ??????
>
> With the fear of contacting the Coronavirus just by the touch of the
> barbar, he is avoiding the barbar and growing his hair.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
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From gasyoun at ya.ru  Sun Apr 26 04:11:16 2020
From: gasyoun at ya.ru (=?utf-8?Q?M=C4=81rcis_Gas=C5=ABns?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 20 07:11:16 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit vs. Dravidian languages
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Sun Apr 26 05:56:34 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 20 07:56:34 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzd+n7BhAEfHfdCW4UDMtToQybTEZtL_rLzatFgFCkUVEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2af04be286f99474ea88482af5b04a98@univie.ac.at>

Everything passes ...

???????????????????????????
????????? ????????? ???????
?????????? ????????????? ??? ???
??? ???????????? ??? ??????? ?

In spite of his lovesickness, the lover, whose mind had been lost in a 
daydream and who was awakened by his friends after a long time, was 
surprised when he heard of the past virus disaster.


Christian Ferstl

University of Vienna

Am 25.04.2020 15:21, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ??????????????????
> ?????????????? ?
> 
> ?????? ????????????
> ?????? ?????????? ??????
> 
> With the fear of contacting the Coronavirus just by the touch of the
> barbar, he is avoiding the barbar and growing his hair.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
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From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 06:21:17 2020
From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 20 11:51:17 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Meghad=C5=ABta_in_Kashmiri?=
Message-ID: <CAJz4T_40tXnZX=5TZoE=VktkM6ZGeO22efbHKV4VPMSQVenkSg@mail.gmail.com>

(Apologies for cross-posting)

Dear Colleagues,

Many years back I had come across an edition/book that included a poetic
translation of the *Meghad?ta* of K?lid?sa into all Indian/South Asian
languages. I do recall there was also a poetic translation into Kashmiri by
Arjun Dev Majboor (1924-2015). I cannot recall who had edited/published
this book, or even the complete title of the book. Would someone have any
idea about this?

Since we started re-reading *Meghad?ta *recently, I really wanted to read
the Kashmiri rendering again. Many years back I had attempted a poetic
Kashmiri translation of a few verses of the *Kum?rasa?bhava* that I lost.
The self-reflexive quarantine situation is making me think about such
attempts yet again. Any help in finding the above book would be highly
appreciated.

Mrinal
------
*Mrinal Kaul, Ph.D.*
Assistant Professor - Manipal Centre for Humanities (MCH)
Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS)
Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex
Alevoor Road, Manipal 576 104
Karnataka, INDIA
Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567
https://mrinalkaul.academia.edu/
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 06:24:40 2020
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 20 11:54:40 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <2af04be286f99474ea88482af5b04a98@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ebO4vNfmtT=hP2voDdug6h3ZcedxEJpY4M=we_1tvuuMw@mail.gmail.com>

How I wish all are blessed with such a lovesickness for their iha or para
lover.

A good one!

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 11:27 AM Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Everything passes ...
>
> ???????????????????????????
> ????????? ????????? ???????
> ?????????? ????????????? ??? ???
> ??? ???????????? ??? ??????? ?
>
> In spite of his lovesickness, the lover, whose mind had been lost in a
> daydream and who was awakened by his friends after a long time, was
> surprised when he heard of the past virus disaster.
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
> University of Vienna
>
> Am 25.04.2020 15:21, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ??????????????????
> > ?????????????? ?
> >
> > ?????? ????????????
> > ?????? ?????????? ??????
> >
> > With the fear of contacting the Coronavirus just by the touch of the
> > barbar, he is avoiding the barbar and growing his hair.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
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From gaiapintucci at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 09:03:57 2020
From: gaiapintucci at gmail.com (Gaia Pintucci)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 20 18:03:57 +0900
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Source_of_the_post-position_=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87_in_Hindi?=
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzc10zNWfu_gyspiOXJz9-nfC0tiGYd8FPVWSPEKZoKojg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOYD-QAGkxTAbj3LTSYATQJJa2nBkFXwMhu9mYxQjvPsF4r8oQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Prof. Deshpande, dear list members,

I am aware of this publication (in Italian language):
DROCCO, Andrea. (2008) L'ergativit? in hindi. Studio diacronico del
processo di diffusione della posposizione ?ne?

All the best,
Gaia Pintucci

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:08 AM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
>
>      What is the historical source for the post-position ?? in Hindi and
> ??/??  in Marathi?  I see some folks connect this directly with the
> instrumental ending -??, as in ????.  At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules
> Bloch saying this this -?? simply becomes ??, as in ????? ???? in Old
> Marathi.  But then what is the source of ??????/???????  in Modern Marathi
> and ?? in ??? ???  Any suggestions?
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr 26 12:51:37 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 20 05:51:37 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Source_of_the_post-position_=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=87_in_Hindi?=
In-Reply-To: <CAOYD-QAGkxTAbj3LTSYATQJJa2nBkFXwMhu9mYxQjvPsF4r8oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdce-rVMN+p3kzrPSeuLi33eTj-cqSLWQC+vh2Bi9O7+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Gaia.  Will try to locate it.  Best,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 2:04 AM Gaia Pintucci <gaiapintucci at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Prof. Deshpande, dear list members,
>
> I am aware of this publication (in Italian language):
> DROCCO, Andrea. (2008) L'ergativit? in hindi. Studio diacronico del
> processo di diffusione della posposizione ?ne?
>
> All the best,
> Gaia Pintucci
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:08 AM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Indologists,
>>
>>      What is the historical source for the post-position ?? in Hindi and
>> ??/??  in Marathi?  I see some folks connect this directly with the
>> instrumental ending -??, as in ????.  At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules
>> Bloch saying this this -?? simply becomes ??, as in ????? ???? in Old
>> Marathi.  But then what is the source of ??????/???????  in Modern Marathi
>> and ?? in ??? ???  Any suggestions?
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Apr 26 13:11:47 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 20 06:11:47 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcTjhCfJRTOjZR9g08sf7OiysOH8h2e7BKeyycWC9MaAg@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

?????????????????? ?????????????? ?
?????? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ??

With the fear of contacting the Coronavirus just by the touch of the
barbar, I will look at my head in the mirror and will cut my hair.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

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From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 16:05:20 2020
From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 20 21:35:20 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Meghad=C5=ABta_in_Kashmiri?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJz4T_40tXnZX=5TZoE=VktkM6ZGeO22efbHKV4VPMSQVenkSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJz4T_6dOj9DXgw6Do7t0-FDgYxTiq3zOVicdhPvxZSU8ra09A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

Just wanted to share that I was able to locate the reference with the help
of Mr Shankara from BVP Forum. Thanks to him. Just in case someone is
interested:

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL161872M/Meghad?tam

https://www.worldcat.org/title/meghadutam-dvadasabhasa-padyanuvada-vibhusitam/oclc/313620508

However, I do not think I will be able to have access to a PDF of this book
sooner. Thanks to all of help.

Mrinal
------
*Mrinal Kaul, Ph.D.*
Assistant Professor - Manipal Centre for Humanities (MCH)
Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS)
Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex
Alevoor Road, Manipal 576 104
Karnataka, INDIA
Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567
https://mrinalkaul.academia.edu/
email: mrinal.kaul@ <mrinal.kaul at manipal.edu>stx.oxon.org


On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 11:51, Mrinal Kaul <mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com> wrote:

> (Apologies for cross-posting)
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Many years back I had come across an edition/book that included a poetic
> translation of the *Meghad?ta* of K?lid?sa into all Indian/South Asian
> languages. I do recall there was also a poetic translation into Kashmiri by
> Arjun Dev Majboor (1924-2015). I cannot recall who had edited/published
> this book, or even the complete title of the book. Would someone have any
> idea about this?
>
> Since we started re-reading *Meghad?ta *recently, I really wanted to read
> the Kashmiri rendering again. Many years back I had attempted a poetic
> Kashmiri translation of a few verses of the *Kum?rasa?bhava* that I lost.
> The self-reflexive quarantine situation is making me think about such
> attempts yet again. Any help in finding the above book would be highly
> appreciated.
>
> Mrinal
> ------
> *Mrinal Kaul, Ph.D.*
> Assistant Professor - Manipal Centre for Humanities (MCH)
> Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS)
> Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex
> Alevoor Road, Manipal 576 104
> Karnataka, INDIA
> Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567
> https://mrinalkaul.academia.edu/
> email: mrinal.kaul@ <mrinal.kaul at manipal.edu>stx.oxon.org
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Mon Apr 27 06:32:30 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 20 08:32:30 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcTjhCfJRTOjZR9g08sf7OiysOH8h2e7BKeyycWC9MaAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <379b42ca36fba9c6927ed23eac451ccd@univie.ac.at>


???? ???????? ??????????? ???? ??? ??
? ????????????? ?????????? ?
??? ?? ??????????????????
??????? ??????????? ?? ??? ?

I?m confined indoors. A guest, or even my family, no one comes or will 
come.
But I don?t consider myself lost or guideless. Sarasvati! You are always 
welcome!


Christian Ferstl


Am 26.04.2020 15:11, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ??????????????????
> ?????????????? ?
> 
> ?????? ?? ???? ????????
> ??????? ?????????? ??
> 
> With the fear of contacting the Coronavirus just by the touch of the
> barbar, I will look at my head in the mirror and will cut my hair.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From arjunsr1987 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 07:52:15 2020
From: arjunsr1987 at gmail.com (Arjuna S R)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 20 13:22:15 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcTjhCfJRTOjZR9g08sf7OiysOH8h2e7BKeyycWC9MaAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOy-tFS_4Brk0PhD1Bv227Up4KYHWx_CckM3awz5prupM5ccjQ@mail.gmail.com>

'??????????????? ???????????? ???????'
??? ???????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?
????????????? ??????????? ??????
??????????????? ????? ????? ? ??

During this pandemic lockdown, the very famous quote, "staying at in-laws'
place is equal to heaven" is self-experienced. In spite of the many
embarassments faced, I am fortunate to taste varieties of dishes and cooked
a few, as well.

Regards,
Dr Arjuna
Manipal University
Manipal


On Sun 26 Apr, 2020, 6:43 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>
> ?????????????????? ?????????????? ?
> ?????? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ??
>
> With the fear of contacting the Coronavirus just by the touch of the
> barbar, I will look at my head in the mirror and will cut my hair.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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> committee)
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Apr 27 13:08:54 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 20 06:08:54 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcmh0GSmUNpd23HpHm5nSrcX_Tv_hWx-EPHdOa3Qq8zbA@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

?????????????? ??????? ??????
??? ??????: ????????????? ?????? ?
? ????????????? ??????? ??
??????????: ??? ?????????: ??

Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
barbars. They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Apr 27 13:13:51 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 20 06:13:51 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcSvSjEGnWZHVhL64SqKJETXYpmGygvhkVANOvJowPpfg@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

?????????????? ??????? ??????
??? ??????: ????????????? ?????? ?
? ????????????? ??????? ??
??????????: ??? ?????????: ??

Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
barbers. They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From dominik.haas at univie.ac.at  Mon Apr 27 15:21:13 2020
From: dominik.haas at univie.ac.at (Dominik Haas)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 20 17:21:13 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] List of FOASAS publishers and journals
Message-ID: <ada653b9-b4c3-fbb4-654c-29be0a985fbc@univie.ac.at>

Dear colleagues,

we have now reached *100 signatures* for The 2020 Manifesto for Fair 
Open Access Publishing in South Asian Studies. 
<https://foasas.org/#manifest> Thanks again to all the supporters!

We are currently working on the next step of the initiative. Our goal is 
to create and maintain *a list of FOASAS publishers, journals, book 
series* and other publication media. You can have a look at the 
preliminary list here:

https://foasas.org/platforms_preview.html___
_
The list is work in progress. Do you know of any other FOA publishers, 
journals etc. with a certain focus on Indological / South Asia-related 
research? Or do you have any other suggestions for the list?

Best regards,

Dominik A. Haas

Vitus Angermeier


P.S.: Credit is of course due to Dominik Wujastyk for the list of OA 
journals he posted on his blog in 2013; the list provided a very good 
basis for the new one.


__________________
*Dominik A. Haas, BA MA*
PhD Candidate, University of Vienna
dominik.haas at univie.ac.at <mailto:dominik.haas at univie.ac.at>
ORCID 0000-0002-8505-6112 <https://orcid.org/0000-0002-8505-6112>

www.foasas.org <https://foasas.org>
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From zoepearl1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 15:39:22 2020
From: zoepearl1 at gmail.com (Zoe Slatoff)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 20 11:39:22 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcSvSjEGnWZHVhL64SqKJETXYpmGygvhkVANOvJowPpfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C564C48-E02B-48AA-9FB9-B4B75BB5AE66@gmail.com>

This is wonderful! Here?s another one:

??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??????? ????????? ?
???? ?????????????????? ???????????? ?

Who offers to me with devotion,
A leaf, a flower, fruit, or water.
I accept that, offered with devotion,
>From one who is free from the Coronavirus.

(based on Bhagavad G?t? 9.26)

Best wishes,
Zo?

> On Apr 27, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ?????????????? ??????? ??????  
> ??? ??????: ????????????? ?????? ?
> ? ????????????? ??????? ??
> ??????????: ??? ?????????: ??
> 
> Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with barbers.  They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 20:02:07 2020
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 20 22:02:07 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <4C564C48-E02B-48AA-9FB9-B4B75BB5AE66@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoDxbqjrsJkLGv6R9qZ73QtCy1TT+uk9yTKvK=P27JsMGg@mail.gmail.com>

Same translation but with slightly adjusted (epic) Sanskrit (in view of
sense and metre):

??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??????? ????????? ?
???? ??????????????????????????? ?

Who offers to me with devotion,
A leaf, a flower, fruit, or water.
I accept that, offered with devotion,
>From one who is free from the Coronavirus.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 17:40, Zoe Slatoff via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> This is wonderful! Here?s another one:
>
> ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??????? ????????? ?
> ???? ?????????????????? ???????????? ?
>
> Who offers to me with devotion,
> A leaf, a flower, fruit, or water.
> I accept that, offered with devotion,
> From one who is free from the Coronavirus.
>
> (based on *Bhagavad G?t?* 9.26)
>
> Best wishes,
> Zo?
>
> On Apr 27, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>
> ?????????????? ??????? ??????
> ??? ??????: ????????????? ?????? ?
> ? ????????????? ??????? ??
> ??????????: ??? ?????????: ??
>
> Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
> barbers. They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
> expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
>


-- 

*Jan E.M. Houben*

Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology

*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*

?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)

*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

*johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*

*https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
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From danbalogh at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 05:27:36 2020
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 20 07:27:36 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAGCGLoDxbqjrsJkLGv6R9qZ73QtCy1TT+uk9yTKvK=P27JsMGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM0n-bVM2nFTuKpRB_QM8yO_s1eGezsONWsuYaGOOtxm645c_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps a little bit sensitive, but I hear the Ganga is much cleaner now.

???????????????? ?????????????? ?????????????????????
??????????????????????? ?????? ???????????
??????????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ?
?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????????????

In which serpents, gods and mortals once bathed saying ?It is pure!??
Which has become like poison, helpless against the dumbness of today?s
people?
Now that dumb and wise alike are restrained by a virus,
Look and wonder, Divine River: that water of yours has turned fit to drink.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 22:30, Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Same translation but with slightly adjusted (epic) Sanskrit (in view of
> sense and metre):
>
> ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??????? ????????? ?
> ???? ??????????????????????????? ?
>
> Who offers to me with devotion,
> A leaf, a flower, fruit, or water.
> I accept that, offered with devotion,
> From one who is free from the Coronavirus.
>
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 17:40, Zoe Slatoff via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> This is wonderful! Here?s another one:
>>
>> ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??????? ????????? ?
>> ???? ?????????????????? ???????????? ?
>>
>> Who offers to me with devotion,
>> A leaf, a flower, fruit, or water.
>> I accept that, offered with devotion,
>> From one who is free from the Coronavirus.
>>
>> (based on *Bhagavad G?t?* 9.26)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Zo?
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>>
>> ?????????????? ??????? ??????
>> ??? ??????: ????????????? ?????? ?
>> ? ????????????? ??????? ??
>> ??????????: ??? ?????????: ??
>>
>> Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
>> barbers. They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
>> expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *Jan E.M. Houben*
>
> Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology
>
> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
>
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)
>
> *Sciences historiques et philologiques *
>
> *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*
>
> *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
> <https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben>*
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Tue Apr 28 06:30:17 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 20 08:30:17 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcSvSjEGnWZHVhL64SqKJETXYpmGygvhkVANOvJowPpfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9fe6a36c113df0e7ccd3972d7d4ecec7@univie.ac.at>


??????????????? ??????????????? ?
???????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??? ???? ?

Do Digambara Jains also meet with masked faces in order to protect 
against Corona these days?


Christian Ferstl

Am 27.04.2020 15:13, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ?????????????? ???????
> ??????
> 
> ??? ??????: ?????????????
> ?????? ?
> 
> ? ????????????? ???????
> ??
> 
> ??????????: ??? ?????????:
> ??
> 
> Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
> barbers. They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
> expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From danbalogh at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 07:26:36 2020
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 20 09:26:36 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <9fe6a36c113df0e7ccd3972d7d4ecec7@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAM0n-bU4xe82bZ6hHqnjdO597+PT4vJ1CvBwTszskqz165tvtw@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for the "?r?a" usage in my previous one. Perhaps better like this:

???????????????? ?????????????? ?????????????????????
*?????????*???????????? ?????? ???????????
??????????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ?
?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????????????
In which serpents, gods and mortals once bathed saying ?It is pure!??
Which has become like poison, helpless against the dumbness of people in
this age?
Now that dumb and wise alike are restrained by a virus,
Look and wonder, Divine River: that water of yours has turned fit to drink.
Daniel

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 08:31, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> ??????????????? ??????????????? ?
> ???????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??? ???? ?
>
> Do Digambara Jains also meet with masked faces in order to protect
> against Corona these days?
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
> Am 27.04.2020 15:13, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ?????????????? ???????
> > ??????
> >
> > ??? ??????: ?????????????
> > ?????? ?
> >
> > ? ????????????? ???????
> > ??
> >
> > ??????????: ??? ?????????:
> > ??
> >
> > Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
> > barbers. They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
> > expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
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> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
>
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From john.lowe at orinst.ox.ac.uk  Tue Apr 28 10:43:09 2020
From: john.lowe at orinst.ox.ac.uk (John Lowe)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 20 10:43:09 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_dy=C5=AB_and_similar_ligatures?=
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB0112FAD8B3E30E67F39AFD91FEAC0@LO2P265MB0112.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I am trying to write words like dy?tam in n?gar? in MS Word (using Keyman) but I end up without the ligature: it seems that whenever d is followed by consonant+u/?/?, the d ends up followed by vir?ma. This affects things like dy?, ddh?, etc. I will type the n?gar? here, but your systems may well correct it:

???????, -?????-, -??????-

When followed by -a-, the ligatures dy, db, ddh, etc come out correctly, but they split (into d-vir?ma-y etc) as soon as another vowel follows.

Even if I copy and paste the correct ligature from e.g. the Cologne dictionary, it splits when pasted.

Can anyone recommend a solution to this problem? My font selection seems to default to Nirmala or Kokila when writing in n?gar?, but perhaps there is a better Unicode font out there that has a wider range of ligatures?

I prefer not to use Word, but in this case there is no choice...

Thanks for any suggestions,
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr 28 13:00:39 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 20 06:00:39 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAM0n-bU4xe82bZ6hHqnjdO597+PT4vJ1CvBwTszskqz165tvtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdxqzeL-DuQ9XLD4BQRWVfUCUA=LrDK=H+jQCLX84H2Ew@mail.gmail.com>

D?niel, what a beautiful verse!

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:27 AM D?niel Balogh via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Apologies for the "?r?a" usage in my previous one. Perhaps better like
> this:
>
> ???????????????? ?????????????? ?????????????????????
> *?????????*???????????? ?????? ???????????
> ??????????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ?
> ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????????????
> In which serpents, gods and mortals once bathed saying ?It is pure!??
> Which has become like poison, helpless against the dumbness of people in
> this age?
> Now that dumb and wise alike are restrained by a virus,
> Look and wonder, Divine River: that water of yours has turned fit to drink.
> Daniel
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 08:31, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> ??????????????? ??????????????? ?
>> ???????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??? ???? ?
>>
>> Do Digambara Jains also meet with masked faces in order to protect
>> against Corona these days?
>>
>>
>> Christian Ferstl
>>
>> Am 27.04.2020 15:13, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
>> >
>> > ?????????????? ???????
>> > ??????
>> >
>> > ??? ??????: ?????????????
>> > ?????? ?
>> >
>> > ? ????????????? ???????
>> > ??
>> >
>> > ??????????: ??? ?????????:
>> > ??
>> >
>> > Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
>> > barbers. They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
>> > expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.
>> >
>> > Madhav M. Deshpande
>> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >
>> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
>> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> > committee)
>> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>> > or unsubscribe)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
>>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr 28 13:02:02 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 20 06:02:02 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <9fe6a36c113df0e7ccd3972d7d4ecec7@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdYPdXuqPtLbzmu=fXC8OnSBSETXHpMyZHNanbuAN_tyg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Christian,

??????????????????? ??? ????? ????????: ?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:30 PM Christian Ferstl <
christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:

>
> ??????????????? ??????????????? ?
> ???????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??? ???? ?
>
> Do Digambara Jains also meet with masked faces in order to protect
> against Corona these days?
>
>
> Christian Ferstl
>
> Am 27.04.2020 15:13, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
> >
> > ?????????????? ???????
> > ??????
> >
> > ??? ??????: ?????????????
> > ?????? ?
> >
> > ? ????????????? ???????
> > ??
> >
> > ??????????: ??? ?????????:
> > ??
> >
> > Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
> > barbers. They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
> > expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.
> >
> > Madhav M. Deshpande
> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >
> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Apr 28 13:29:46 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 20 06:29:46 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcy3RDbD_x-sC8kx4279PAc2hx-EqDDRk9pd9NQ0KqaBQ@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

??????? ????? ??????? ????:
??? ??????: ????????????? ?????? ?
? ????????????? ??????? ??
?????????? ??? ?????????: ??

Those who have matted hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
barbers? They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
expenditures. The people with matted hair are really fortunate.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl  Tue Apr 28 21:37:24 2020
From: j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl (Joanna Jurewicz)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 20 23:37:24 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzdYPdXuqPtLbzmu=fXC8OnSBSETXHpMyZHNanbuAN_tyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAPrgboeEuAqot_d49qbLwPDffWuZfFk=Tbu6gh38R6aKFYCHw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh my Lord, what a miracle! Just before our eyes!

---

Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz

Katedra Azji Po?udniowej /Chair of South Asia

Wydzia? Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie?cie 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz


wt., 28 kwi 2020 o 15:03 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

> Dear Christian,
>
> ??????????????????? ??? ????? ????????: ?
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:30 PM Christian Ferstl <
> christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>
>>
>> ??????????????? ??????????????? ?
>> ???????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????????? ??? ???? ?
>>
>> Do Digambara Jains also meet with masked faces in order to protect
>> against Corona these days?
>>
>>
>> Christian Ferstl
>>
>> Am 27.04.2020 15:13, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> > A distraction from the Coronavirus
>> >
>> > ?????????????? ???????
>> > ??????
>> >
>> > ??? ??????: ?????????????
>> > ?????? ?
>> >
>> > ? ????????????? ???????
>> > ??
>> >
>> > ??????????: ??? ?????????:
>> > ??
>> >
>> > Those who have no hair on their heads, what purpose do they have with
>> > barbers. They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor any
>> > expenditures. The bald people are really fortunate.
>> >
>> > Madhav M. Deshpande
>> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >
>> > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
>> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> > committee)
>> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>> > or unsubscribe)
>>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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> committee)
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Wed Apr 29 06:30:47 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 08:30:47 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcy3RDbD_x-sC8kx4279PAc2hx-EqDDRk9pd9NQ0KqaBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57bd1c523cd5fde052a5c0d77f773c39@univie.ac.at>


Ku?a and Lava are asking:

???????? ?? ???????
???????????????? ?
??? ?? ???????? ???
???????????????? ?

Should one resort to social distancing in an anthill,
or how can that Covid-19 be avoided?


Christian Ferstl


Am 28.04.2020 15:29, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
> A distraction from the Coronavirus
> 
> ??????? ????? ???????
> ????:
> 
> ??? ??????: ?????????????
> ?????? ?
> 
> ? ????????????? ???????
> ??
> 
> ?????????? ??? ?????????:
> ??
> 
> Those who have matted hair on their heads, what purpose do they have
> with barbers? They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor
> any expenditures. The people with matted hair are really fortunate.
> 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> 
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)





From johanna.buss at googlemail.com  Wed Apr 29 11:38:57 2020
From: johanna.buss at googlemail.com (Johanna Buss)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 13:38:57 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] application period extended: W3-Professorship in Indology (Successor to Professor Eliahu Franco)
Message-ID: <CAPJnKS9qUeMsWf-8v+sich+1wYNDBU157ewqBFJb808bV0fmdg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear friends and colleagues,
the application period has been extended to 2nd June. Please spread the
news to possible candidates. For further information:
https://www.uni-leipzig.de/en/university/working-at-leipzig-university/job-opportunities/

Best wishes,
Johanna Bu?


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr 29 12:57:51 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 05:57:51 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dze60Loi8JgZ2EARaxy3FFRo4mcBdoShXWfBbib2BG34aA@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

???????? ? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ??????: ?
???? ???? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????: ??

There is no touch by the barber, there is no expenditure, and there is no
tuft on his head. Such is the bald Brahmin without a tuft.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 15:17:17 2020
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 17:17:17 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_ratta-m=C4=81la?=
Message-ID: <6095951d-5edc-f5e1-71e7-843a7e857c80@gmail.com>

Dear listmembers,

anyone of you came probably across a description of someone? who is 
adorned with a /rattam?la/ "a red garland of flowers"
And: Where, at which part of the body, he wears this garland?
I found two quotations in J?takas: Here in each case it is a executioner 
(/vadhaka/, /coragh?taka/) who is adorned with a /rattam?la/.
The artists of the last centuries painted the executioner with a garland 
hanging around his neck or even across his upper body.
But there is another quotation, in the Vessantara-J?taka, where the 
Brahmin J?jaka is adorned ... /dv?su ka??esu ratta-m?l?/ ...= with a 
garland of flowers bound at each of his two ears.

I think a /rattam?la /original adorned the ears. But I need textual 
references.
Someone can help?

Thank you

Heiner

-- 
Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch
www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com



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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Apr 29 15:48:25 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 08:48:25 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ratta-m=C4=81la?=
In-Reply-To: <6095951d-5edc-f5e1-71e7-843a7e857c80@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfNxSM-MbQtbiip0BpG_QRWUm2Hvtt1FdJR8hyy618k7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Rolf,

     The word *rakta* indeed appears with the meaning of "red," but at
least in Marathi usage, the word refers to blood, which of course has red
color.  I wonder if the executioner is said to wear something bloody.  Just
a thought.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:18 AM Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear listmembers,
>
> anyone of you came probably across a description of someone  who is
> adorned with a *rattam?la* "a red garland of flowers"
> And: Where, at which part of the body, he wears this garland?
> I found two quotations in J?takas: Here in each case it is a executioner (
> *vadhaka*, *coragh?taka*) who is adorned with a *rattam?la*.
> The artists of the last centuries painted the executioner with a garland
> hanging around his neck or even across his upper body.
> But there is another quotation, in the Vessantara-J?taka, where the
> Brahmin J?jaka is adorned ... *dv?su ka??esu ratta-m?l?* ...= with a
> garland of flowers bound at each of his two ears.
>
> I think a *rattam?la *original adorned the ears. But I need textual
> references.
> Someone can help?
>
> Thank you
>
> Heiner
>
> --
> Dr. Rolf Heinrich Kochwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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> committee)
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From sauthoff at ualberta.ca  Wed Apr 29 19:21:38 2020
From: sauthoff at ualberta.ca (Patricia Sauthoff)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 13:21:38 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Methods for Sterilization and Contraception article
Message-ID: <CAPAr6cHoRNVMHy4GF+t=PcPComhoX5PYZ_C0=dVQ+uMAaJcQJg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear friends,

Does anyone have a copy of:

Dash, Bhagwan and Basu R.N. 1968. "Methods for Sterilization and
Contraception in Ancient and Medieval India." *Indian National Science
Academy Journals* 3, n. 1:9-24?

Many thanks.

-- 
Patricia Sauthoff
(she/her/they/them)
Postdoctoral Fellow
AyurYog.org
Department of History and Classics
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Canada


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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 19:38:23 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 15:38:23 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ratta-m=C4=81la?=
In-Reply-To: <6095951d-5edc-f5e1-71e7-843a7e857c80@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o-_kOCg_hO6fmx9XDk2k88Z0y0zkg8zPb-VHSeEZ27+VQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Rolf,

 raktam?la and raktam?lya occur hundreds of times in about 75 texts in
Muktabodha's searchable e-text library.

1.  Direct link to the library is:
https://etexts.muktabodha.org/DL_CATALOG_USER_INTERFACE/dl_user_interface_frameset.htm

2. Type* <raktamAl**>  *in the search field.  The angle brackets are
required.  They tell the search engine you are using Kyoto-Harvard
transliteration.

3. Click on *search for words in e-texts*.

4.  The lines where raktam?la and raktam?lya occur appear in an upper
panel.  When you click on any of these lines then the e-text opens at that
line in a lower panel.

Regards,
Harry Spier

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear listmembers,
>
> anyone of you came probably across a description of someone  who is
> adorned with a *rattam?la* "a red garland of flowers"
> And: Where, at which part of the body, he wears this garland?
> I found two quotations in J?takas: Here in each case it is a executioner (
> *vadhaka*, *coragh?taka*) who is adorned with a *rattam?la*.
> The artists of the last centuries painted the executioner with a garland
> hanging around his neck or even across his upper body.
> But there is another quotation, in the Vessantara-J?taka, where the
> Brahmin J?jaka is adorned ... *dv?su ka??esu ratta-m?l?* ...= with a
> garland of flowers bound at each of his two ears.
>
> I think a *rattam?la *original adorned the ears. But I need textual
> references.
> Someone can help?
>
> Thank you
>
> Heiner
>
> --
> Dr. Rolf Heinrich Kochwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
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From vasishtha.spier at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 20:01:51 2020
From: vasishtha.spier at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 16:01:51 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_ratta-m=C4=81la?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3b0o-_kOCg_hO6fmx9XDk2k88Z0y0zkg8zPb-VHSeEZ27+VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3b0o_PQwT=tvbLf0BcNumKj5rpOc2XYgh0TEEbK9TALUrbAA@mail.gmail.com>

And of course the search will give all occurrences of

raktam?l? raktam?la and raktam?lya in the Muktabodha searchable e-text
library

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:38 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Rolf,
>
>  raktam?la and raktam?lya occur hundreds of times in about 75 texts in
> Muktabodha's searchable e-text library.
>
> 1.  Direct link to the library is:
> https://etexts.muktabodha.org/DL_CATALOG_USER_INTERFACE/dl_user_interface_frameset.htm
>
> 2. Type* <raktamAl**>  *in the search field.  The angle brackets are
> required.  They tell the search engine you are using Kyoto-Harvard
> transliteration.
>
> 3. Click on *search for words in e-texts*.
>
> 4.  The lines where raktam?la and raktam?lya occur appear in an upper
> panel.  When you click on any of these lines then the e-text opens at that
> line in a lower panel.
>
> Regards,
> Harry Spier
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear listmembers,
>>
>> anyone of you came probably across a description of someone  who is
>> adorned with a *rattam?la* "a red garland of flowers"
>> And: Where, at which part of the body, he wears this garland?
>> I found two quotations in J?takas: Here in each case it is a executioner (
>> *vadhaka*, *coragh?taka*) who is adorned with a *rattam?la*.
>> The artists of the last centuries painted the executioner with a garland
>> hanging around his neck or even across his upper body.
>> But there is another quotation, in the Vessantara-J?taka, where the
>> Brahmin J?jaka is adorned ... *dv?su ka??esu ratta-m?l?* ...= with a
>> garland of flowers bound at each of his two ears.
>>
>> I think a *rattam?la *original adorned the ears. But I need textual
>> references.
>> Someone can help?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Heiner
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Rolf Heinrich Kochwww.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 04:21:00 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 22:21:00 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Methods for Sterilization and Contraception article
In-Reply-To: <CAPAr6cHoRNVMHy4GF+t=PcPComhoX5PYZ_C0=dVQ+uMAaJcQJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcJ3fmDYHHSikJ96uqtNt5cmnHV02nYMHYxOFfi38JmEQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is really in the *Indian Journal of History of Science* (published by
INSA).  Should be downloadable from http://www.insa.nic.in but the server
is down as I write this email.  You might be able to get it from the
snapshot at the Wayback Machine
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190812060901/http://insa.nic.in/UI/journaldetails.aspx?AID=Mw==>.


In general, with IJHS articles, you can just do a google search for the
title and you'll get a PDF returned.  Google says the article you're after
is found here:
https://www.insa.nic.in/writereaddata/UpLoadedFiles/IJHS/Vol03_1_2_BDash.pdf
.

Best,
Dominik
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.


South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 13:22, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> Does anyone have a copy of:
>
> Dash, Bhagwan and Basu R.N. 1968. "Methods for Sterilization and
> Contraception in Ancient and Medieval India." *Indian National Science
> Academy Journals* 3, n. 1:9-24?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> --
> Patricia Sauthoff
> (she/her/they/them)
> Postdoctoral Fellow
> AyurYog.org
> Department of History and Classics
> University of Alberta
> Edmonton, Canada
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 04:24:12 2020
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 20 22:24:12 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_dy=C5=AB_and_similar_ligatures?=
In-Reply-To: <LO2P265MB0112FAD8B3E30E67F39AFD91FEAC0@LO2P265MB0112.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Ccp08UCG45hrfQBDCDuSeKkdBckCzLAb0NhYmxmZ4OF2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Try the font called "Sanskrit 2003".  Or "Murty Sanskrit".

Best,
Dominik
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk
<https://www.ualberta.ca/arts/about/people-collection/dominik-wujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.


South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 04:43, John Lowe via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I am trying to write words like dy?tam in n?gar? in MS Word (using Keyman)
> but I end up without the ligature: it seems that whenever d is followed by
> consonant+u/?/?, the d ends up followed by vir?ma. This affects things like
> dy?, ddh?, etc. I will type the n?gar? here, but your systems may well
> correct it:
>
> ???????, -?????-, -??????-
>
> When followed by -a-, the ligatures dy, db, ddh, etc come out correctly,
> but they split (into d-vir?ma-y etc) as soon as another vowel follows.
>
> Even if I copy and paste the correct ligature from e.g. the Cologne
> dictionary, it splits when pasted.
>
> Can anyone recommend a solution to this problem? My font selection seems
> to default to Nirmala or Kokila when writing in n?gar?, but perhaps there
> is a better Unicode font out there that has a wider range of ligatures?
>
> I prefer not to use Word, but in this case there is no choice...
>
> Thanks for any suggestions,
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
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From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at  Thu Apr 30 06:13:31 2020
From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 08:13:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
In-Reply-To: <57bd1c523cd5fde052a5c0d77f773c39@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <648b9ba95a0808b659116e40eb2be331@univie.ac.at>


??????????????????
?? ???????????? ???? ?
????????? ??????? ????-
????????? ?????????? ?

For me it is better to relish the nectar of poetry than sitting in an 
anthill.
So, sitting alone, I ?drank up? ?r? V?lm?ki?s poem.


Christian Ferstl


Am 29.04.2020 08:30, schrieb Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY:
> Ku?a and Lava are asking:
> 
> ???????? ?? ???????
> ???????????????? ?
> ??? ?? ???????? ???
> ???????????????? ?
> 
> Should one resort to social distancing in an anthill,
> or how can that Covid-19 be avoided?
> 
> 
> Christian Ferstl
> 
> 
> Am 28.04.2020 15:29, schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>> A distraction from the Coronavirus
>> 
>> ??????? ????? ???????
>> ????:
>> 
>> ??? ??????: ?????????????
>> ?????? ?
>> 
>> ? ????????????? ???????
>> ??
>> 
>> ?????????? ??? ?????????:
>> ??
>> 
>> Those who have matted hair on their heads, what purpose do they have
>> with barbers? They have no fear of contracting the Coronavirus, nor
>> any expenditures. The people with matted hair are really fortunate.
>> 
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> 
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing 
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>> or unsubscribe)
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 30 07:07:21 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 07:07:21 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Indische_Spr=C3=BCche?=
Message-ID: <AM6PR10MB24228340FCF9CD977C07A1FAA5AA0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear colleagues,

I have just found this remarkable resource: <https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/boehtlingk1863ga>. But has any virtuous person created an e-text of the Indische Spr?che?

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths

B?htlingk, Otto von [Hrsg.]: Indische Spr?che, Sanskrit und Deutsch (St. Petersburg)<https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/boehtlingk1863ga>
Zu diesem Faksimile gibt es Annotationen. Einzelne Seiten mit Annotationen sind im "?berblick" durch das Symbol gekennzeichnet.
digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de



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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 30 07:25:20 2020
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 07:25:20 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] stanza
Message-ID: <AM6PR10MB242213E8226AF1567C0DA33AA5AA0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear colleagues,

I am trying to identify this stanza which is transmitted on Bali as stanza 33 of the compendium called S?rasamuccaya:*

<lg n="33" met="anu??ubh">
<l>yuvaiva dharmam anvicched yuv? vitta? yuv? ?rutam |</l>
<l>tiryag bhavati vai darbha utpatan na ca viddhyati ?33?</l>
</lg>

I don't get any hits in the GRETIL collection for the whole stanza, although I do find a prat?ka in the Tantrav?rttika:

yuvaiva dharmam anvicched ity evam?dismara?aprak??it?rtham ...

Can anyone help me track down a/the source?

Thanks!


Arlo Griffiths


  *
Raghu Vira. 1962. S?ra-Samuccaya (a Classical Indonesian Compendium of High Ideals). Dv?p?ntara-Pi?aka 7; ?ata-Pi?aka 24. New Delhi: International Academy of Indian Culture.







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From philipp.a.maas at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 07:52:36 2020
From: philipp.a.maas at gmail.com (Philipp Maas)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 09:52:36 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Indische_Spr=C3=BCche?=
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR10MB24228340FCF9CD977C07A1FAA5AA0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAOuG4CaxTbx6iFULaTgtpu-aTbcO20Q8JJCyar+SC0u1mQTyBA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Arlo,
I am not aware of an etext of B?htlingk's *Indische Spr?che*. However, the
index by Blau may help you finding what you are looking for (see below).
Unfortunately, I don't have PDF of Blau's *Index*.

With best wishes,

Philipp

*Titel: **Index*
<http://stabikat.de/DB=1/SET=1/TTL=1/MAT=/NOMAT=T/CLK?IKT=1016&TRM=Index>
*zu* *Otto*
<http://stabikat.de/DB=1/SET=1/TTL=1/MAT=/NOMAT=T/CLK?IKT=1016&TRM=Otto>
B?htlingks
<http://stabikat.de/DB=1/SET=1/TTL=1/MAT=/NOMAT=T/CLK?IKT=1016&TRM=Bo%CC%88htlingks>
 Indischen
<http://stabikat.de/DB=1/SET=1/TTL=1/MAT=/NOMAT=T/CLK?IKT=1016&TRM=Indischen>
 Spr?chen
<http://stabikat.de/DB=1/SET=1/TTL=1/MAT=/NOMAT=T/CLK?IKT=1016&TRM=Spru%CC%88chen>

*VerfasserIn: **Blau,* August *1858-*
<http://stabikat.de/DB=1/SET=1/TTL=1/MAT=/NOMAT=T/REL?PPN=077716000>

*Ver?ffentlichungsangabe: *Leipzig : Brockhaus, 1893

*Schriftenreihe: *Abhandlungen f?r die Kunde des Morgenlandes. - Wiesbaden
: Harrassowitz, 1858- ; ZDB-ID: 280003-2 ; 9,4
<http://stabikat.de/DB=1/SET=1/TTL=1/MAT=/NOMAT=T/CLK?IKT=8312&TRM=12984943X>




__________________________

PD Dr. Philipp A. Maas
Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter (Research Associate)
Institut f?r Indologie und Zentralasienwissenschaften
Universit?t Leipzig
___________________________

https://spp1448.academia.edu/PhilippMaas


Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 09:08 Uhr schrieb Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> I have just found this remarkable resource: <
> https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/boehtlingk1863ga>. But has any
> virtuous person created an e-text of the Indische Spr?che?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Arlo Griffiths
>
> B?htlingk, Otto von [Hrsg.]: Indische Spr?che, Sanskrit und Deutsch (St.
> Petersburg) <https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/boehtlingk1863ga>
> Zu diesem Faksimile gibt es Annotationen. Einzelne Seiten mit Annotationen
> sind im "?berblick" durch das Symbol gekennzeichnet.
> digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de  Thu Apr 30 07:54:07 2020
From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 07:54:07 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Indische_Spr=C3=BCche?=
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR10MB24228340FCF9CD977C07A1FAA5AA0@AM6PR10MB2422.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <27a7f6fda939413ca02385a905076f11@sub.uni-goettingen.de>

Dear colleagues,

please note that the standard "Zweite vermehrte und verbesserte Auflage" (1870-1873) is available for download in the GRETIL e-library:


http://opac.sub.uni-goettingen.de/DB=1.20/TTL=1/FAM?PPN=659042797


In addition to a searchable text of the German translation, each PDF has an index/bookmarks according to initial letters and B?htlingk's running numbers -- but, alas, no searchable Sanskrit text.

Best wishes,
Reinhold Gr?nendahl



________________________________
Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. April 2020 09:07
An: INDOLOGY
Betreff: [INDOLOGY] Indische Spr?che

Dear colleagues,

I have just found this remarkable resource: <https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/boehtlingk1863ga>. But has any virtuous person created an e-text of the Indische Spr?che?

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths

B?htlingk, Otto von [Hrsg.]: Indische Spr?che, Sanskrit und Deutsch (St. Petersburg)<https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/boehtlingk1863ga>
Zu diesem Faksimile gibt es Annotationen. Einzelne Seiten mit Annotationen sind im "?berblick" durch das Symbol gekennzeichnet.
digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de




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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Apr 30 13:11:46 2020
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 06:11:46 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A distraction from the Coronavirus
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfqOMbY=k-5t04Rqaz-k5Tw3d72h+Grx0BOJaN1KsmEWA@mail.gmail.com>

A distraction from the Coronavirus

????????? ???? ?????? ? ????? ? ??????: ?
??????? ??????? ??????????????? ??: ??

Lucky is the bald man, who needs no effort nor expenditure. For us, the
hairy ones, our life is passing by in worrying about our hair.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 14:08:57 2020
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 16:08:57 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Stefano_Zacchetti_(1968=E2=80=932020)?=
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4+O7EoT42f0=_xoDm0q0RVaS-NJZJrB-1XQ3cbhBMedOA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends
It is with inconsolable grief that I write to inform you that my dear
friend and close colleague Stefano Zacchetti, Professor at the University
of Oxford, passed away yesterday.
An appropriate homage and remembrance will appear in due course. I find
myself simply unable to write more now.
Jonathan Silk

-- 
J. Silk
Leiden University
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
2311 BZ Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk


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From rdamron at berkeley.edu  Thu Apr 30 14:25:50 2020
From: rdamron at berkeley.edu (Ryan Damron)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 07:25:50 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Scan of Shastri Catalogue
Message-ID: <A5B260AC-BB55-4E64-8BD5-BFE4F3ABBF52@berkeley.edu>

Dear list,

I'm hoping someone on the list has a clean scan of Shastri?s Descriptive Catalogue of Sanskrit Manuscripts in the Government Collection, Vol I: Buddhist Manuscripts. The two scans available on archive.org are, for my purposes at least, illegible to the point of uselessness. And of course under the current conditions I do not have access to my library?s physical copy. 

Many thanks, and good wishes to all,

Ryan


Ryan Damron
Doctoral Candidate
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies
University of California, Berkeley
7233 Dwinelle Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-2520
rdamron at berkeley.edu



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From karl-stephan.bouthillette.1 at ulaval.ca  Thu Apr 30 16:13:43 2020
From: karl-stephan.bouthillette.1 at ulaval.ca (Karl-Stephan Bouthillette)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 16:13:43 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Book: Dialogue and Doxography in Indian Philosophy
Message-ID: <1588263223181.75082@ulaval.ca>


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From sauthoff at ualberta.ca  Thu Apr 30 17:54:40 2020
From: sauthoff at ualberta.ca (Patricia Sauthoff)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 11:54:40 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Methods for Sterilization and Contraception article
In-Reply-To: <CAPAr6cHoRNVMHy4GF+t=PcPComhoX5PYZ_C0=dVQ+uMAaJcQJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAr6cGFtQz=eHOWSrK0xeQTBQVLjAEa7zTcD2GzB-GneqTPpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you so much to Mary Rader and Dom Wujastyk.

The correct reference is the Indian Journal of History of Science. Found
here: https://insa.nic.in/UI/journaldetails.aspx?AID=Mw== except for 1968!
But as always, if it can be found online, Dominik will find it.
https://www.insa.nic.in/writereaddata/UpLoadedFiles/IJHS/Vol03_1_2_BDash.pdf



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:21 PM Patricia Sauthoff <sauthoff at ualberta.ca>
wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> Does anyone have a copy of:
>
> Dash, Bhagwan and Basu R.N. 1968. "Methods for Sterilization and
> Contraception in Ancient and Medieval India." *Indian National Science
> Academy Journals* 3, n. 1:9-24?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> --
> Patricia Sauthoff
> (she/her/they/them)
> Postdoctoral Fellow
> AyurYog.org
> Department of History and Classics
> University of Alberta
> Edmonton, Canada
>


-- 
Patricia Sauthoff
(she/her/they/them)
Postdoctoral Fellow
AyurYog.org
Department of History and Classics
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Canada


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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 19:00:43 2020
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 20 21:00:43 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf request
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf_zhwXwVFQtaBX40EChDzQEpMdBbdhRD+2oHdUegbxYtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear indologists,

May someone can help me. I need to translate from Italian to English a
block-quote belonging to a sub-chapter of

Doniger (O?Flaherty), Wendy. 1973. *Asceticism and Eroticism in the
Mythology of ?iva*. London/New York/Toronto: Oxford University Press.
(or of any other English edition, some of whom are entitled, *?iva: The
Erotic Ascetic*)

More specifically, I need of the sub-chapter, of chapter 5 (?iva and Kama),
entitled
*G: Kama reborn as a tree---Rebirth from fire*

Best wishes,
Paolo

-- 
*Paolo E. Rosati*

*PhD in Asian and African Studies*
*https://uniroma1.academia.edu/Paolo
<https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>R
<https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>osati/
<https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>*

*paoloe.rosati at gmail.com <paoloe.rosati at gmail.com>*
*Mobile/Whatsapp: (+39) 338 73 83 472*
*Skype: paoloe.rosati*


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