[INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"

[Madhav Deshpande]

If my memory serves me correctly, Francis Clooney's book "Thinking
Ritually: Rediscovering the Purva Mimamsa of Jaimini (Publications of the
De Nobili Research Library) (Publications of the De Nobili Research Library)
<https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Ritually-Rediscovering-Publications-Research/dp/3900271216/ref=sr_1_30?crid=3DL1AXSOXU2NR&keywords=francis+x.+clooney&qid=1572881305&s=books&sprefix=Clooney%2C+FRancis%2Caps%2C202&sr=1-30>,"
has some discussion of this issue.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 7:08 AM Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> From a quick look at the index of Jean-Marie Verpoorten's *M*īmāṃs*ā
> Literature *(with refs to pp. 20, 24, 30, 46), the discussion on the
> *apauru**ṣeya*(*tva*) occurs in  Śabara's commentary on MS 1,1,5 and
> 1,1,27-32 (cf.  the § "Veda not the work of a personal being" in G. Jha,
> *P**ūrva-**M*īmāṃs*ā in its source, *1942, p. 126-127), in Kumārila ŚV
> (20, cf. D'SA, *Śabdaprāmāṇya in  Śabara and Kum**ārila*, Vienna, De
> Nobili Research Library, 1980, p. 197) and BṬ (cf. D'SA p. 189), and also
> in the *M*īmāṃs*ā *(12th) chapter of the *Sarvadar**śanasaṃgraha*.
> Here two of his own papers on the subject:
>
> That is:
>
> - The 24th Chapter of the * Tattvasaṃgraha*: Refutation of the Mīmāṃsā
> doctrine of *vedāpauruṣeyatva*, *Studies in **Mīmāṃsā:* *Dr. Mandan
> Mishra Felicitation Volume*, éd. R. C. Dwivedi, Delhi, 1994, pp. 117-129.
>
>
> - La querelle de la Mīmāṃsā et du Bouddhisme autour de l’éternité du
> Véda, *L’Orient des Dieux *(publ. of the Université Saint-Joseph,
> Beyrouth) 6-7, 2006-2007, pp. 5-20.
>
> See also by Kiyotaka Yoshimizu in Bronkhorst ed. 2007, pp. 220-224
>
> https://www.academia.edu/32176020/_Kumārila_s_Reevaluation_of_the_Sacrifice_and_the_Veda_from_a_Vedānta_Perspective._
>
> and the book of Elstchinger - Krasser and Taber, *Can the Veda
> speak? Dharmakīrti against Mīmāṃsā exegetics and Vedic authority*,
> Vienna: OAW, 2012.
>
> This is only a few references on the topic, related to PM. The *apauru*
> *ṣeya*tva of the Veda is also something found with Bhartṛhari
> and Maṇḍana Miśra (Hugo David is saying that somewhere).
>
>
>
> Le 4 nov. 2019 à 14:07, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> a écrit :
>
>
> Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are
> "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
>
> I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
>
> Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated
> would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dean
>
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