From reimann at berkeley.edu  Fri Nov  1 00:00:58 2019
From: reimann at berkeley.edu (Luis Gonzalez-Reimann)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 19 17:00:58 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=E1=B9=A3?=
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR11MB37665B0917717CCB1DA9DDE5A1630@BYAPR11MB3766.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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Dear Madhav and Matthew,


For what it's worth, texts that describe the /cakras/ (tantras & /ha?ha 
yoga/) routinely add/k?a/ after the /ha/. They are placed in the two 
petals of the /?j??? cakra/. Padoux discusses the addition of/k?a/ on p. 
156 of his book /V?c/:


"...finally the compound phoneme/k?a/, the addition of which is 
sometimes justified on theoretical grounds because it logically fits in 
a given metaphysical system; but the real reason of its being placed 
there is difficult to ascertain, except perhaps as a means to have fifty 
phonemes rather than forty-nine. Naturally, since each phoneme is a form 
of energy, it is correlated with a deity. There are several texts giving 
differing lists of these fifty divinized energies."


One could speculate that is was added in order to fill up all the petals 
in the /cakras/, but that would imply that the number of petals in seven 
/cakras/ was fixed before the addition of /k?a/.


Padoux, Andr?. 1992. /V?c://The Concept of the Word in Selected Hindu 
Tantras/. Translated by J. Gontier. Delhi: Sri Satguru Publications. 
Originally published by SUNY.


The book is on SCRIBD:


https://www.scribd.com/doc/61589773/Vac-the-Concept-of-the-Word-in-Selected-Hindu-Tantras-a-padoux-SUNY-1990


Regards,


Luis

_____


On 10/31/2019 10:52 AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY wrote:
> Dear Madhav,
>
> No doubt text editorial issues are part of what is at issue, as well 
> as the mix of Sanskrit and Prakrit elements informing BHS. For what 
> it's worth, I note that when the alphabet is recited as a purificatory 
> mantra in tantric contexts in Newar and Tibetan Buddhism, all the 
> vowels and semivowels are included, and kSa is added at the end 
> following Ha. My hunch is that this perhaps originated due to the 
> distinct graphic form in some scripts and so departs from the 
> phonological principle of alphabetic order, but that's really only a 
> guess.
>
> best,
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of 
> Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2019 12:24 PM
> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>; Bharatiya Vidvat 
> parishad <bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> ? ? ?As I have been reading the Lipi??l?sandar?ana-Parivarta of the 
> Lalitavistara [p. 89, P. L. Vaidya edition], some interesting features 
> of the alphabet popped up for me.? The Alphabet omits /r?/?and /l?/, 
> but includes /ai, au/, and /a?/. Among the consonants, it adds /k? /at 
> the end after /h/. The version of this passage as given in the 
> Bauddh?gam?rthasa?graha [ed by P. L. Vaidya] also omits /l/, while it 
> is included in the version of Lalitavistara edited by Vaidya himself.? 
> I wonder if there are textual variants about this.? I don't know what 
> this alphabet represents. The omission of /r? /and /l? /goes along the 
> phonologies of Prakrits, but the inclusion of /ai, au/, and /a?/?goes 
> in the direction of Sanskrit.? The addition of /k? /and the possible 
> omission of /l /point to something else that I cannot figure out.? Any 
> suggestions and references are welcome.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From reimann at berkeley.edu  Fri Nov  1 00:03:25 2019
From: reimann at berkeley.edu (Luis Gonzalez-Reimann)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 19 17:03:25 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
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Message-ID: <85c7b42e-958c-44d7-36db-4d8d13061db4@berkeley.edu>


My apologies, the subject line above is the correct one.

_____


Dear Madhav and Matthew,


For what it's worth, texts that describe the /cakras/ (tantras & /ha?ha 
yoga/) routinely add/k?a/ after the /ha/. They are placed in the two 
petals of the /?j??? cakra/. Padoux discusses the addition of/k?a/ on p. 
156 of his book /V?c/:


"...finally the compound phoneme/k?a/, the addition of which is 
sometimes justified on theoretical grounds because it logically fits in 
a given metaphysical system; but the real reason of its being placed 
there is difficult to ascertain, except perhaps as a means to have fifty 
phonemes rather than forty-nine. Naturally, since each phoneme is a form 
of energy, it is correlated with a deity. There are several texts giving 
differing lists of these fifty divinized energies."


One could speculate that is was added in order to fill up all the petals 
in the /cakras/, but that would imply that the number of petals in seven 
/cakras/ was fixed before the addition of /k?a/.


Padoux, Andr?. 1992. /V?c://The Concept of the Word in Selected Hindu 
Tantras/. Translated by J. Gontier. Delhi: Sri Satguru Publications. 
Originally published by SUNY.


The book is on SCRIBD:


https://www.scribd.com/doc/61589773/Vac-the-Concept-of-the-Word-in-Selected-Hindu-Tantras-a-padoux-SUNY-1990


Regards,


Luis

_____


On 10/31/2019 10:52 AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY wrote:
> Dear Madhav,
>
> No doubt text editorial issues are part of what is at issue, as well 
> as the mix of Sanskrit and Prakrit elements informing BHS. For what 
> it's worth, I note that when the alphabet is recited as a purificatory 
> mantra in tantric contexts in Newar and Tibetan Buddhism, all the 
> vowels and semivowels are included, and kSa is added at the end 
> following Ha. My hunch is that this perhaps originated due to the 
> distinct graphic form in some scripts and so departs from the 
> phonological principle of alphabetic order, but that's really only a 
> guess.
>
> best,
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of 
> Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2019 12:24 PM
> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>; Bharatiya Vidvat 
> parishad <bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> ? ? ?As I have been reading the Lipi??l?sandar?ana-Parivarta of the 
> Lalitavistara [p. 89, P. L. Vaidya edition], some interesting features 
> of the alphabet popped up for me.? The Alphabet omits /r?/?and /l?/, 
> but includes /ai, au/, and /a?/. Among the consonants, it adds /k? /at 
> the end after /h/. The version of this passage as given in the 
> Bauddh?gam?rthasa?graha [ed by P. L. Vaidya] also omits /l/, while it 
> is included in the version of Lalitavistara edited by Vaidya himself.? 
> I wonder if there are textual variants about this.? I don't know what 
> this alphabet represents. The omission of /r? /and /l? /goes along the 
> phonologies of Prakrits, but the inclusion of /ai, au/, and /a?/?goes 
> in the direction of Sanskrit.? The addition of /k? /and the possible 
> omission of /l /point to something else that I cannot figure out.? Any 
> suggestions and references are welcome.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From adheesh1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 01:31:26 2019
From: adheesh1 at gmail.com (adheesh sathaye)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 19 18:31:26 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Depictions_of_yoga_in_k=C4=81vya?=
Message-ID: <7BD22434-2F94-4FE6-856E-106E6E6F2510@gmail.com>

Dear colleagues: 

In working with a student, we are curious if there has been research done on depictions of ?yoga? (in any of its various manifestations), specifically within the ornate Sanskrit k?vya tradition. 

We would be most delighted to get your recommendations of scholarly studies or of primary sources. Examples that come to my mind are the descriptions of P?rvat??s tapas in the Kum?rasambhava - (though it might be arguable whether this constitutes ?yoga? per se) - or of tantrikas in the plays of R?ja?ekhara, K?em??vara, and Bhavabh?ti - (though these characters, too, are not usually shown as practicing or engaged in yoga in any active sense, and are furthermore usually lampooned).

I look forward to your responses! 

With all best wishes,
Adheesh


?
Adheesh Sathaye
University of British Columbia









From martingansten at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 03:45:39 2019
From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 04:45:39 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
In-Reply-To: <85c7b42e-958c-44d7-36db-4d8d13061db4@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <5517f325-af67-a7ce-4a55-01b0bf675f12@gmail.com>

Similarly, in the ka?apay?di system of assigning numeric values to the 
ak?aras (normally from 1 to 9 and then 0), astrological texts sometimes 
add /j?a/, /k?a /and /tra /to represent 10, 11 and 12, respectively.

Martin Gansten


Den 2019-11-01 kl. 01:03, skrev Luis Gonzalez-Reimann via INDOLOGY:
>
>
> My apologies, the subject line above is the correct one.
>
> _____
>
>
> Dear Madhav and Matthew,
>
>
> For what it's worth, texts that describe the /cakras/ (tantras & 
> /ha?ha yoga/) routinely add/k?a/ after the /ha/. They are placed in 
> the two petals of the /?j??? cakra/. Padoux discusses the addition 
> of/k?a/ on p. 156 of his book /V?c/:
>
>
> "...finally the compound phoneme/k?a/, the addition of which is 
> sometimes justified on theoretical grounds because it logically fits 
> in a given metaphysical system; but the real reason of its being 
> placed there is difficult to ascertain, except perhaps as a means to 
> have fifty phonemes rather than forty-nine. Naturally, since each 
> phoneme is a form of energy, it is correlated with a deity. There are 
> several texts giving differing lists of these fifty divinized energies."
>
>
> One could speculate that is was added in order to fill up all the 
> petals in the /cakras/, but that would imply that the number of petals 
> in seven /cakras/ was fixed before the addition of /k?a/.
>
>
> Padoux, Andr?. 1992. /V?c://The Concept of the Word in Selected Hindu 
> Tantras/. Translated by J. Gontier. Delhi: Sri Satguru Publications. 
> Originally published by SUNY.
>
>
> The book is on SCRIBD:
>
>
> https://www.scribd.com/doc/61589773/Vac-the-Concept-of-the-Word-in-Selected-Hindu-Tantras-a-padoux-SUNY-1990
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Luis
>




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From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 05:00:13 2019
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 01:00:13 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
In-Reply-To: <85c7b42e-958c-44d7-36db-4d8d13061db4@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <CAPW7aQEXw0hokSc-S8_DyehU=tsA_gcgZbWMUSB+PNzEwq=k4g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Madhav,
If you do a search of the Muktabodha digital library searchable etexts
collection   for ak?r?dik?ak?r?nta  you will find many references to
the letters from a to k?a in about 40 different tantric texts.

 In the search etexts field you need to type in Kyoto-Harvard
transliteration between angle brackets i.e. <akArAdikSakArAnta>

Best wishes,
Harry Spier

On 10/31/19, Luis Gonzalez-Reimann via INDOLOGY
<indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> My apologies, the subject line above is the correct one.
>
> _____
>
>
> Dear Madhav and Matthew,
>
>
> For what it's worth, texts that describe the /cakras/ (tantras & /ha?ha
> yoga/) routinely add/k?a/ after the /ha/. They are placed in the two
> petals of the /?j??? cakra/. Padoux discusses the addition of/k?a/ on p.
> 156 of his book /V?c/:
>
>
> "...finally the compound phoneme/k?a/, the addition of which is
> sometimes justified on theoretical grounds because it logically fits in
> a given metaphysical system; but the real reason of its being placed
> there is difficult to ascertain, except perhaps as a means to have fifty
> phonemes rather than forty-nine. Naturally, since each phoneme is a form
> of energy, it is correlated with a deity. There are several texts giving
> differing lists of these fifty divinized energies."
>
>
> One could speculate that is was added in order to fill up all the petals
> in the /cakras/, but that would imply that the number of petals in seven
> /cakras/ was fixed before the addition of /k?a/.
>
>
> Padoux, Andr?. 1992. /V?c://The Concept of the Word in Selected Hindu
> Tantras/. Translated by J. Gontier. Delhi: Sri Satguru Publications.
> Originally published by SUNY.
>
>
> The book is on SCRIBD:
>
>
> https://www.scribd.com/doc/61589773/Vac-the-Concept-of-the-Word-in-Selected-Hindu-Tantras-a-padoux-SUNY-1990
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Luis
>
> _____
>
>
> On 10/31/2019 10:52 AM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY wrote:
>> Dear Madhav,
>>
>> No doubt text editorial issues are part of what is at issue, as well
>> as the mix of Sanskrit and Prakrit elements informing BHS. For what
>> it's worth, I note that when the alphabet is recited as a purificatory
>> mantra in tantric contexts in Newar and Tibetan Buddhism, all the
>> vowels and semivowels are included, and kSa is added at the end
>> following Ha. My hunch is that this perhaps originated due to the
>> distinct graphic form in some scripts and so departs from the
>> phonological principle of alphabetic order, but that's really only a
>> guess.
>>
>> best,
>> Matthew
>>
>> Matthew Kapstein
>> Directeur d'?tudes,
>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>>
>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>> The University of Chicago
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>> Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2019 12:24 PM
>> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>; Bharatiya Vidvat
>> parishad <bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>      As I have been reading the Lipi??l?sandar?ana-Parivarta of the
>> Lalitavistara [p. 89, P. L. Vaidya edition], some interesting features
>> of the alphabet popped up for me.  The Alphabet omits /r?/ and /l?/,
>> but includes /ai, au/, and /a?/. Among the consonants, it adds /k? /at
>> the end after /h/. The version of this passage as given in the
>> Bauddh?gam?rthasa?graha [ed by P. L. Vaidya] also omits /l/, while it
>> is included in the version of Lalitavistara edited by Vaidya himself.
>> I wonder if there are textual variants about this.  I don't know what
>> this alphabet represents. The omission of /r? /and /l? /goes along the
>> phonologies of Prakrits, but the inclusion of /ai, au/, and /a?/ goes
>> in the direction of Sanskrit.  The addition of /k? /and the possible
>> omission of /l /point to something else that I cannot figure out.  Any
>> suggestions and references are welcome.
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info  (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info  (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>





From pcbisschop at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  1 07:51:12 2019
From: pcbisschop at googlemail.com (peter bisschop)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 08:51:12 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Job opening at Leiden University
Message-ID: <CACDreE-DHaO5E5QTGyAu4H8fUOxpW-b3OvYHFM7OOMi=0SSzhg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear  colleagues,

Leiden University invites applications for a fixed term position in the
Study of Religion, with specialization in Religion in Contemporary Asia
(Hinduism and/or Buddhism), from February 2020 to July 2021. More
information on the position can be found here:
https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/vacancies/2019/q4/19-486-6477-university-lecturer-in-the-study-of-religion-with-specialization-in-contemporary-hinduism

Please inform anyone you think may be interested in applying. Enquiries can
be made to Dr. Corey Williams: c.l.williams at hum.leidenuniv.nl

Peter Bisschop

Professor of Sanskrit and Ancient Cultures of South Asia
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies (LIAS)
P.O. Box 9515 / 2300 RA Leiden / The Netherlands

https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/staffmembers/peter-bisschop#tab-1
https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/PeterBisschop


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From martin-joachim.kuemmel at uni-jena.de  Fri Nov  1 09:19:50 2019
From: martin-joachim.kuemmel at uni-jena.de (=?utf-8?Q?Martin_Joachim_K=C3=BCmmel?=)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 09:19:50 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
Message-ID: <f269319a9eb74e1fb0401d2dd89863e8@uni-jena.de>

Dear Madhav and colleagues,

in NW Indo-Aryan, old k? developed into a new phoneme, a retroflex affricate ??h, and I have long been wondering if this might be one factor relevant for the special status of this ak?ara. Although lack of l might also have been an originally NW feature, I am not sure this would still be relevant at the time, and for the other peculiarities, I don?t see how they might be explained as NW.

All the best,
Martin




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Friedrich-Schiller-Universit?t Jena, Philosophische Fakult?t
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Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> Im Auftrag von Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2019 18:25
An: Indology <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>; Bharatiya Vidvat parishad <bvparishat at googlegroups.com<mailto:bvparishat at googlegroups.com>>
Betreff: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara

Dear Colleagues,

     As I have been reading the Lipi??l?sandar?ana-Parivarta of the Lalitavistara [p. 89, P. L. Vaidya edition], some interesting features of the alphabet popped up for me.  The Alphabet omits r? and l?, but includes ai, au, and a?. Among the consonants, it adds k? at the end after h.  The version of this passage as given in the Bauddh?gam?rthasa?graha [ed by P. L. Vaidya] also omits l, while it is included in the version of Lalitavistara edited by Vaidya himself.  I wonder if there are textual variants about this.  I don't know what this alphabet represents.  The omission of r? and l? goes along the phonologies of Prakrits, but the inclusion of ai, au, and a? goes in the direction of Sanskrit.  The addition of k? and the possible omission of l point to something else that I cannot figure out.  Any suggestions and references are welcome.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 10:20:30 2019
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 11:20:30 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] CfP: XXII Quinquennial Conference of the IAHR (New Zealand 2020)
In-Reply-To: <CAMOCTf9aGv6vgAc4uk-g=f=nQq1MAu=8+MqsHzaBxrdbge-3rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf9z0iTzXRRXWo5b9QTDjBva6HEbkRpZPwa=jQb+Yv3kYg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

Please forgive me. The CfP deadline is not 5 December 2020 but *5 December
2019*.

Sincerely,
Paolo

-- 
Paolo E. Rosati

PhD in Asian and African Studies
(South Asia Section)
Italian Institute of Oriental Studies
'Sapienza' University of Rome

https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/

paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it
paoloe.rosati at gmail.com
Skype: paoloe.rosati
Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472

Il Gio 31 Ott 2019, 15:51 Paolo Eugenio Rosati <paoloe.rosati at gmail.com> ha
scritto:

>
> Dear all,
>
> please consider submitting a title and an abstract for the XXII conference
> of the *International Association for the History of Religions*, which
> will be held at University of Otago (Dunedin, New Zealand), 23-29 August
> 2020.
>
> *Title of the Panel: *Tantra, Shamanism, and Magic: Experiences,
> Practices, and Practitioners at the ?Margins? of the Indic World
>
> *Convenors:* Andrea Acri (EPHE, Paris) and Paolo E. Rosati (Independent
> scholar)
> *Email:* paoloe.rosati at gmail.com / andrea.acri at ephe.psl.eu
> *Deadline:* 5 December 2020
>
> *Abstract:* Tantra, since the middle of the first millennium CE when it
> made its first step in the Brahmanic religious folds, challenged the
> dualistic view of the cosmos as an opposition between purity and impurity.
> Through its ritual violation and subversion of what was perceived as
> orthopraxy by the mainstream religions in many regions of Asia, Tantra
> emerged as a source of power, which was closely related to the milieux at
> the ?margins? of Indic mainstream religions. Through a multidisciplinary
> approach, this panel aims to shed light on experiences, practices and
> practitioners which have been frequently alienated by the mainstream Indic
> religions across South and Southeast Asia. Particular attention will be
> paid to the cross- and trans- cultural dialectic between mainstream,
> tantric, and intersecting magic-shamanic ?marginal? phenomena across
> history and geography, and their instantiations in textual corpora, myths,
> folk and oral traditions, visual and performative arts, rituals, and
> festivals.
> Please email to paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (cc to andrea.acri at ephe.psl.eu)
> your *name*, *position*, a *title*, a *long abstract* (500 words), a *short
> abstract* (max 150 words), which in case of acceptance will be included
> in the panel proposal, and a short CV (max. 2 pages) with your academic
> experiences (paper presentations, publications, academic degrees, etc.) *by
> 5 December 2020*.
>
>
>
> Feel free to circulate this CfP.
>
> Sincerely,
> Paolo
>
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From Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu  Fri Nov  1 10:32:01 2019
From: Lyne.Bansat-Boudon at ephe.psl.eu (Lyne Bansat-Boudon)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 10:32:01 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Sanskrit_drama_in_La_Belle_=C3=89poque?=
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Dear colleagues,

Allow me to add to the discussion on the French adaptation of the Mr?cchakat?ika?.

I am appending a paper by Sylvain L?vi, dealing as a dramatic critic with the performance of the drama in Paris. I am also referring to the event in L. Bansat-Boudon & R. Lardinois, Sylvain L?vi (1863-1935). ?tudes indiennes, histoire sociale. Actes du colloque tenu ? Paris les 8-10 octobre 2003. Turnhout, Brepols (Bibl. de l??cole des hautes ?tudes, sciences religieuses, 130), 2007, p. 29.

Best,

Lyne Bansat-Boudon



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Le 31 oct. 2019 ? 11:27, Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a ?crit :

Dear Matthew and Colleagues

Will it be OK for me to share the designs and information with a Facebook group on the art of illustration? I think they will be fascinated.

Thank you -

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK



On 30 Oct 2019, at 08:49, alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Thank you very much.
Alakendu Das.

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From: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:06:44 GMT+0530
To: "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl<mailto:H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>>, alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dear Herman,

Thanks a lot for this interesting reference. There is of course a tremendous amount of 19th-century European theatre, opera, poetry, painting with oriental themes - it's a very big topic and has been the object of much research. But it is not so much my area, though I am interested - I posted the Toulouse-Lautrec to the list just as an amusing curiosity and not in connection with any academic project that I am undertaking.

best regards,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: Tieken, H.J.H. <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl<mailto:H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 3:29 AM
To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>; alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
Cc: indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>>
Subject: RE: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dear Matthew, Some years ago I attended a paper delivered by Emilio Ghezzi, the partner of our colleague Daniela Rossella (University of Potenza) on the designs of the stage and costumes of 19th-century operas with oriental themes. Emilio is a composer himself. I do have a tape with music composed by him somewhere but do not have the necessary equipment anymore. It was a fascinating paper with many slides of original drawings from the 19th century. I do not know if the paper has already been published, but hope it will.
The most recent email address of Emilio (and Daniela) I have is ghezziem at tin.it<mailto:ghezziem at tin.it>.
Best, Herman

Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/==>
________________________________
Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>] namens Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>]
Verzonden: woensdag 30 oktober 2019 9:15
Aan: alakendu das
CC: indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>
Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dear Alakendu,

There are several English translations. The best known is perhaps the "Little Clay Cart" of the American Sanskritist Arthur Ryder, first published in 1905.

cordially,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com> <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>> on behalf of alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:16 AM
To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
Cc: indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dr.Kapstein,
I rue that I saw this post so late.It<https://f6mobile.rediff.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http://late.It&isImage=0&BlockImage=0&rediffng=0&rdf=VW0Jalc5Vz4BMQAxU2EHP1ZkXzAPMQRvU29eJgc1AGleeA%3D%3D&rogue=69661426a5944b68cca2fb4194cac1377a0a9342>'s indeed awe-inspiring.! I feel there exists an English version of MrchhaKatikam, namely The Clay Cart.I shall confirm it.
Alakendu Das

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From: Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Sent: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 18:09:29 GMT+0530
To: "indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>" <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dear Indologists,

You may find this to be amusing.

Visiting the huge exhibition of the works of Toulouse-Lautrec currently on view at the Grand Palais in Paris, I was surprised to find, amidst his many posters for theater and cabaret, the one I include here, for a production of the
M?cchaka?ik?, - the title is even given in devanagari at lower right. If you read carefully, you'll see that TL himself is credited with the sets for the fifth act, though I do not know if any trace of these survives, or if it was photographed. They must have been wonderful!

<IMG_1488.JPG>

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Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

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From filipsky at orient.cas.cz  Fri Nov  1 10:44:57 2019
From: filipsky at orient.cas.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Jan_Filipsk=C3=BD?=)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 11:44:57 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Identififying Ceylonese toponym Cauraga(s)hing
Message-ID: <00f401d590a1$6779d630$366d8290$@orient.cas.cz>

Dear All,

A student of mine is trying to identify the Ceylonese/Sri Lankan toponym
"Cauragashing" mentioned by the British sailor Robert Knox in his book An
Historical Relation of Ceylon (1681), p. 4. According to the author, it is a
mountain "about the middle of the land" obviously separating the Wet and Dry
zones of the island he had personally visited, describing his experience as
follows: "as oftentimes I have seen, being on the one side of a Mountain
called Cauragas hing, rainy and wet weather, and as soon as I came on the
other, dry, and so exceeding hot, that I could scarcely walk on the ground,
being, as the manner there is, barefoot."

One may infer that Knox refers to the Central (Kandyan) highlands, playing
the role of a major watershed, a natural geographic divide; if so, could
anybody explain the local name Cauraga(s)hing? If one may venture a
speculation, couldn't it refer to the whole mass of the highlands where the
rebels (sinh. caura, cora) go to (sinh. ga) - perhaps, in haste (sinh.
hingu)? Sincere apologies to all knowledgeable colleagues for
unsubstantiated fantasizing and many thanks for elucidating.

With best regards,

Jan Filipsky, Praha



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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Fri Nov  1 10:45:52 2019
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 10:45:52 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Sanskrit_drama_in_La_Belle_=C3=89poque?=
In-Reply-To: <44C3338F-284B-4A5F-8398-E5F6E83EA4CA@ephe.sorbonne.fr>
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Merci infiniment, ch?re Lyne,

quel bel article!

bien amicalement,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Lyne Bansat-Boudon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 5:32 AM
To: Valerie Roebuck <vjroebuck at btinternet.com>
Cc: indology List List <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dear colleagues,

Allow me to add to the discussion on the French adaptation of the Mr?cchakat?ika?.

I am appending a paper by Sylvain L?vi, dealing as a dramatic critic with the performance of the drama in Paris. I am also referring to the event in L. Bansat-Boudon & R. Lardinois, Sylvain L?vi (1863-1935). ?tudes indiennes, histoire sociale. Actes du colloque tenu ? Paris les 8-10 octobre 2003. Turnhout, Brepols (Bibl. de l??cole des hautes ?tudes, sciences religieuses, 130), 2007, p. 29.

Best,

Lyne Bansat-Boudon



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Le 31 oct. 2019 ? 11:27, Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a ?crit :

Dear Matthew and Colleagues

Will it be OK for me to share the designs and information with a Facebook group on the art of illustration? I think they will be fascinated.

Thank you -

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK



On 30 Oct 2019, at 08:49, alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Thank you very much.
Alakendu Das.

Sent from RediffmailNG on Android




From: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:06:44 GMT+0530
To: "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl<mailto:H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>>, alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dear Herman,

Thanks a lot for this interesting reference. There is of course a tremendous amount of 19th-century European theatre, opera, poetry, painting with oriental themes - it's a very big topic and has been the object of much research. But it is not so much my area, though I am interested - I posted the Toulouse-Lautrec to the list just as an amusing curiosity and not in connection with any academic project that I am undertaking.

best regards,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: Tieken, H.J.H. <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl<mailto:H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 3:29 AM
To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>; alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
Cc: indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>>
Subject: RE: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dear Matthew, Some years ago I attended a paper delivered by Emilio Ghezzi, the partner of our colleague Daniela Rossella (University of Potenza) on the designs of the stage and costumes of 19th-century operas with oriental themes. Emilio is a composer himself. I do have a tape with music composed by him somewhere but do not have the necessary equipment anymore. It was a fascinating paper with many slides of original drawings from the 19th century. I do not know if the paper has already been published, but hope it will.
The most recent email address of Emilio (and Daniela) I have is ghezziem at tin.it<mailto:ghezziem at tin.it>.
Best, Herman

Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/==>
________________________________
Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>] namens Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>]
Verzonden: woensdag 30 oktober 2019 9:15
Aan: alakendu das
CC: indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>
Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dear Alakendu,

There are several English translations. The best known is perhaps the "Little Clay Cart" of the American Sanskritist Arthur Ryder, first published in 1905.

cordially,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com> <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>> on behalf of alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:16 AM
To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
Cc: indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dr.Kapstein,
I rue that I saw this post so late.It<https://f6mobile.rediff.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http://late.It&isImage=0&BlockImage=0&rediffng=0&rdf=VW0Jalc5Vz4BMQAxU2EHP1ZkXzAPMQRvU29eJgc1AGleeA%3D%3D&rogue=69661426a5944b68cca2fb4194cac1377a0a9342>'s indeed awe-inspiring.! I feel there exists an English version of MrchhaKatikam, namely The Clay Cart.I shall confirm it.
Alakendu Das

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From: Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Sent: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 18:09:29 GMT+0530
To: "indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>" <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info<mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque

Dear Indologists,

You may find this to be amusing.

Visiting the huge exhibition of the works of Toulouse-Lautrec currently on view at the Grand Palais in Paris, I was surprised to find, amidst his many posters for theater and cabaret, the one I include here, for a production of the
M?cchaka?ik?, - the title is even given in devanagari at lower right. If you read carefully, you'll see that TL himself is credited with the sets for the fifth act, though I do not know if any trace of these survives, or if it was photographed. They must have been wonderful!

<IMG_1488.JPG>

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 10:52:58 2019
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 11:52:58 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] CfP: XXII Quinquennial Conference of the IAHR (New Zealand 2020)
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Here the correct CfP (correct pdf is attached):

XXII quinquennial conference of the *International Association for the
History of Religions (IAHR)*
University of Otago (Dunedin, New Zealand), 23-29 August 2020.

*Title of the Panel: *Tantra, Shamanism, and Magic: Experiences, Practices,
and Practitioners at the ?Margins? of the Indic World

*Convenors:* Andrea Acri (EPHE, Paris) and Paolo E. Rosati (Independent
scholar)
*Email:* paoloe.rosati at gmail.com / andrea.acri at ephe.psl.eu
*Deadline:* 5 December 2019

*Abstract:* Tantra, since the middle of the first millennium CE when it
made its first step in the Brahmanic religious folds, challenged the
dualistic view of the cosmos as an opposition between purity and impurity.
Through its ritual violation and subversion of what was perceived as
orthopraxy by the mainstream religions in many regions of Asia, Tantra
emerged as a source of power, which was closely related to the milieux at
the ?margins? of Indic mainstream religions. Through a multidisciplinary
approach, this panel aims to shed light on experiences, practices and
practitioners which have been frequently alienated by the mainstream Indic
religions across South and Southeast Asia. Particular attention will be
paid to the cross- and trans- cultural dialectic between mainstream,
tantric, and intersecting magic-shamanic ?marginal? phenomena across
history and geography, and their instantiations in textual corpora, myths,
folk and oral traditions, visual and performative arts, rituals, and
festivals.
Please email to paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (cc to andrea.acri at ephe.psl.eu)
your *name*, *position*, a *title*, a *long abstract* (500 words), a *short
abstract* (max 150 words), which in case of acceptance will be included in
the panel proposal, and a short CV (max. 2 pages) with your academic
experiences (paper presentations, publications, academic degrees, etc.) *by
5 December 2019*.

Best wishes,
Paolo


Il giorno ven 1 nov 2019 alle ore 11:20 Paolo Eugenio Rosati <
paoloe.rosati at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Dear All,
>
> Please forgive me. The CfP deadline is not 5 December 2020 but *5
> December 2019*.
>
> Sincerely,
> Paolo
>
>>

-- 
*Paolo E. Rosati*



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Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome*

*https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/
<https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>*
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From danbalogh at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 11:21:01 2019
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A1niel_Balogh?=)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 12:21:01 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Identififying Ceylonese toponym Cauraga(s)hing
In-Reply-To: <00f401d590a1$6779d630$366d8290$@orient.cas.cz>
Message-ID: <CAM0n-bX9RyFF27Sj3t3EQaMG1fLF7aZBJOVZ9-QZP+kQ4TGoyg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Jan, knowing next to nothing about Sri Lanka, I may be completely off
the mark here. But given that we're talking about a mountain, I would guess
"shing" is cognate of Sanskrit ???ga, "horn, peak". I don't think an
Englishman of that time would have pronounced "sh" as anything other than
English *sh*, nor do I see any reason to drop the s from the name as you
seem to suggest. If the Sinhalese word caura/cora is also a Sanskrit
cognate, then again, it can probably be ruled out; Knox would surely have
pronounced "c" as the phoneme *k* and would have written "ch" if he had
meant a palatal affricate.
Best wishes,
Daniel

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 11:45, Jan Filipsk? via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> A student of mine is trying to identify the Ceylonese/Sri Lankan toponym
> ?Cauragashing? mentioned by the British sailor Robert Knox in his book *An
> Historical Relation of Ceylon *(1681), p. 4. According to the author, it
> is a mountain ?about the middle of the land? obviously separating the Wet
> and Dry zones of the island he had personally visited, describing his
> experience as follows: ?as oftentimes I have seen, being on the one side of
> a Mountain called Cauragas hing, rainy and wet weather, and as soon as I
> came on the other, dry, and so exceeding hot, that I could scarcely walk on
> the ground, being, as the manner there is, barefoot.?
>
> One may infer that Knox refers to the Central (Kandyan) highlands, playing
> the role of a major watershed, a natural geographic divide; if so, could
> anybody explain the local name *Cauraga(s)hing*? If one may venture a
> speculation, couldn?t it refer to the whole mass of the highlands where
> the rebels (sinh. *caura*, *cora*) go to (sinh. *ga*) ? perhaps, in haste
> (sinh. *hingu*)? Sincere apologies to all knowledgeable colleagues for unsubstantiated
> fantasizing and many thanks for elucidating.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Jan Filipsky, Praha
>
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From philipp.a.maas at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 13:04:53 2019
From: philipp.a.maas at gmail.com (Philipp Maas)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 14:04:53 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Depictions_of_yoga_in_k=C4=81vya?=
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Dear Adheesh,
You and your student might be interested in my article ?From Theory to
Poetry: The Reuse of Pata?jali?s Yoga??stra in M?gha?s *?i?up?lavadha*?.
In: Elisa Freschi and Philipp A. Maas (eds.), *Adaptive Reuse: Aspects of
Creativity in South Asian Cultural History*. Wiesbaden: Harrasso?witz
(Abhandlungen f?r die Kunde des Morgenlandes 101). p. 29?62, which you find
published in open access at this URL
<https://www.academia.edu/15249754/From_Theory_to_Poetry_The_Reuse_of_Pata%C3%B1jali_s_Yoga%C5%9B%C4%81stra_in_M%C4%81gha_s_%C5%9Ai%C5%9Bup%C4%81lavadha>
.

Best wishes,

Philipp
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Institut f?r Indologie und Zentralasienwissenschaften
Universit?t Leipzig
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Am Fr., 1. Nov. 2019 um 02:32 Uhr schrieb adheesh sathaye via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> Dear colleagues:
>
> In working with a student, we are curious if there has been research done
> on depictions of ?yoga? (in any of its various manifestations),
> specifically within the ornate Sanskrit k?vya tradition.
>
> We would be most delighted to get your recommendations of scholarly
> studies or of primary sources. Examples that come to my mind are the
> descriptions of P?rvat??s tapas in the Kum?rasambhava - (though it might be
> arguable whether this constitutes ?yoga? per se) - or of tantrikas in the
> plays of R?ja?ekhara, K?em??vara, and Bhavabh?ti - (though these
> characters, too, are not usually shown as practicing or engaged in yoga in
> any active sense, and are furthermore usually lampooned).
>
> I look forward to your responses!
>
> With all best wishes,
> Adheesh
>
>
> ?
> Adheesh Sathaye
> University of British Columbia
>
>
>
>
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From McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au  Fri Nov  1 13:23:39 2019
From: McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au (McComas Taylor)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 13:23:39 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] World Sanskrit Conference 2021, Second Circular
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Apologies for cross-posting...

Dear Colleagues,

The WSC2021  second circular is attached and is also available through our website:

https://www.wsc2021.com.au/

We warmly invite all interested scholars to submit abstracts to our regular sections or special panels through the website portal.

(We are also looking for suitably interested scholars to coordinate our new section, 'Gender and Sanskrit Studies' - please contact me off list)

Looking forward to hosting you all in Canberra in 2021,

Yours fraternally,

McComas Taylor
On behalf of the WSC2021 Organising Committee


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From glhart at berkeley.edu  Fri Nov  1 16:59:56 2019
From: glhart at berkeley.edu (George Hart)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 12:59:56 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
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Message-ID: <F603AF0B-0C08-4AC0-999D-64311CCB5AB7@berkeley.edu>

It?s probably unrelated, but in Tamil this change also takes place, e.g. ka?ci (which c is pronounces like a ?ch? or ?sh?) from kak?i, pa?ci from pak?i. George Hart
> Dear Madhav and colleagues,
>  
> in NW Indo-Aryan, old k? developed into a new phoneme, a retroflex affricate ??h, and I have long been wondering if this might be one factor relevant for the special status of this ak?ara. Although lack of l might also have been an originally NW feature, I am not sure this would still be relevant at the time, and for the other peculiarities, I don?t see how they might be explained as NW.
>  
> All the best,
> Martin
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Univ.-Prof. Dr. Martin Joachim K?mmel
> Friedrich-Schiller-Universit?t Jena, Philosophische Fakult?t
> Institut f?r Orientalistik, Indogermanistik, Ur-und Fr?hgeschichtliche Arch?ologie
> Seminar f?r Indogermanistik
> Zw?tzengasse 12, D-07743 Jena, Germany
> Tel. +49-(0)3641-9443-81 Fax -82 Sekretariat -80
> E-mail: martin-joachim.kuemmel at uni-jena.de <mailto:martin-joachim.kuemmel at uni-jena.de>
> Homepage: http://www.oriindufa.uni-jena.de/k%C3%BCmmel_martin.html <http://www.oriindufa.uni-jena.de/k%C3%BCmmel_martin.html>
>  
> Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> Im Auftrag von Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2019 18:25
> An: Indology <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>; Bharatiya Vidvat parishad <bvparishat at googlegroups.com <mailto:bvparishat at googlegroups.com>>
> Betreff: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
>  
> Dear Colleagues,
>  
>      As I have been reading the Lipi??l?sandar?ana-Parivarta of the Lalitavistara [p. 89, P. L. Vaidya edition], some interesting features of the alphabet popped up for me.  The Alphabet omits r? and l?, but includes ai, au, and a?. Among the consonants, it adds k? at the end after h.  The version of this passage as given in the Bauddh?gam?rthasa?graha [ed by P. L. Vaidya] also omits l, while it is included in the version of Lalitavistara edited by Vaidya himself.  I wonder if there are textual variants about this.  I don't know what this alphabet represents.  The omission of r? and l? goes along the phonologies of Prakrits, but the inclusion of ai, au, and a? goes in the direction of Sanskrit.  The addition of k? and the possible omission of l point to something else that I cannot figure out.  Any suggestions and references are welcome.
>  
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>  
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From rsalomon at uw.edu  Fri Nov  1 20:16:12 2019
From: rsalomon at uw.edu (Richard G. Salomon)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 13:16:12 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
In-Reply-To: <f269319a9eb74e1fb0401d2dd89863e8@uni-jena.de>
Message-ID: <CA+bmU3Y_FS1Z3qBHOjOOT+eMeH7XsMEjd+vaBL6=HuZ9aa7Zkg@mail.gmail.com>

Many documents containing the "alphabet" in Devanagari and other scripts,
ancient and modern, have k?a, j?a, and/or tra added in various combinations
(one, two, or all three), at the end, after ha, because these are graphic
ligatures, in the sense that they are (no longer) obviously combinations of
their component graphs. The criteria are graphic, not phonetic (although
coincidentally j?a is phonetically distinct in most languages dialects from
j-?). You can see some or all of these special graphs in various Indian
primers for teaching reading to children.

The position of the ligatures at the end of the "alphabet" is part of a
general pattern in script history whereby "extra" characters get added ?
understandably ? at the end of the standard sequence. This is why,
for example, our alphabet has v-w-x-y-z at the end; these were not part of
the character sets in the scripts from which "Latin" is developed, going
back to the Phoenician (and ultimately even to proto-Canaanite) script,
which ended with t.

Rich Salomon


On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 2:20 AM Martin Joachim K?mmel via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Madhav and colleagues,
>
>
>
> in NW Indo-Aryan, old *k?* developed into a new phoneme, a retroflex
> affricate *??h*, and I have long been wondering if this might be one
> factor relevant for the special status of this ak?ara. Although lack of l
> might also have been an originally NW feature, I am not sure this would
> still be relevant at the time, and for the other peculiarities, I don?t see
> how they might be explained as NW.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Univ.-Prof. Dr. Martin Joachim K?mmel
>
> Friedrich-Schiller-Universit?t Jena, Philosophische Fakult?t
>
> Institut f?r Orientalistik, Indogermanistik, Ur-und Fr?hgeschichtliche
> Arch?ologie
>
> Seminar f?r Indogermanistik
>
> Zw?tzengasse 12, D-07743 Jena, Germany
>
> Tel. +49-(0)3641-9443-81 Fax -82 Sekretariat -80
>
> E-mail: martin-joachim.kuemmel at uni-jena.de
>
> Homepage: http://www.oriindufa.uni-jena.de/k%C3%BCmmel_martin.html
>
>
>
> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> *Im Auftrag von *Madhav
> Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2019 18:25
> *An:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>; Bharatiya Vidvat parishad <
> bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
> *Betreff:* [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
>
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
>
>      As I have been reading the Lipi??l?sandar?ana-Parivarta of the
> Lalitavistara [p. 89, P. L. Vaidya edition], some interesting features of
> the alphabet popped up for me.  The Alphabet omits *r?* and *l?*, but
> includes *ai, au*, and *a?*. Among the consonants, it adds *k? *at the
> end after *h*.  The version of this passage as given in the
> Bauddh?gam?rthasa?graha [ed by P. L. Vaidya] also omits *l*, while it is
> included in the version of Lalitavistara edited by Vaidya himself.  I
> wonder if there are textual variants about this.  I don't know what this
> alphabet represents.  The omission of *r? *and *l? *goes along the
> phonologies of Prakrits, but the inclusion of *ai, au*, and *a?* goes in
> the direction of Sanskrit.  The addition of *k? *and the possible
> omission of *l *point to something else that I cannot figure out.  Any
> suggestions and references are welcome.
>
>
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
>
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
>
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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From vjroebuck at btinternet.com  Fri Nov  1 22:11:20 2019
From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie Roebuck)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 22:11:20 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Sanskrit_drama_in_La_Belle_=C3=89poque?=
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Thank you very much.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

> On 31 Oct 2019, at 10:29, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at UCHICAGO.EDU> wrote:
> 
> Hi Valerie,
> 
> It's ok with me if you re-poste, though I'd appreciate a credit for the photo.
> 
> best,
> Matthew
> 
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes, 
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
> 
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> From: Valerie Roebuck <vjroebuck at btinternet.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 5:27 AM
> To: alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>
> Cc: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>; indology List List <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque
>  
> Dear Matthew and Colleagues
> 
> Will it be OK for me to share the designs and information with a Facebook group on the art of illustration? I think they will be fascinated.
> 
> Thank you -
> 
> Valerie J Roebuck
> Manchester, UK
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Oct 2019, at 08:49, alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you very much.
>> Alakendu Das.
>> 
>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu <mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
>> Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:06:44 GMT+0530
>> To: "Tieken, H.J.H." <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl <mailto:H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>>, alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com <mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque
>> 
>> Dear Herman,
>> 
>> Thanks a lot for this interesting reference. There is of course a tremendous amount of 19th-century European theatre, opera, poetry, painting with oriental themes - it's a very big topic and has been the object of much research. But it is not so much my area, though I am interested - I posted the Toulouse-Lautrec to the list just as an amusing curiosity and not in connection with any academic project that I am undertaking. 
>> 
>> best regards,
>> Matthew
>> 
>> Matthew Kapstein
>> Directeur d'?tudes, 
>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>> 
>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>> The University of Chicago
>> From: Tieken, H.J.H. <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl <mailto:H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 3:29 AM
>> To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu <mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>; alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com <mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
>> Cc: indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>>
>> Subject: RE: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque
>>  
>> Dear Matthew, Some years ago I attended a paper delivered by Emilio Ghezzi, the partner of our colleague Daniela Rossella (University of Potenza) on the designs of the stage and costumes of 19th-century operas with oriental themes. Emilio is a composer himself. I do have a tape with music composed by him somewhere but do not have the necessary equipment anymore. It was a fascinating paper with many slides of original drawings from the 19th century. I do not know if the paper has already been published, but hope it will.
>> The most recent email address of Emilio (and Daniela) I have is ghezziem at tin.it <mailto:ghezziem at tin.it>.
>> Best, Herman
>> 
>> Herman Tieken
>> Stationsweg 58
>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>> The Netherlands
>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>> website: hermantieken.com <http://hermantieken.com/==>
>> Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>] namens Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>]
>> Verzonden: woensdag 30 oktober 2019 9:15
>> Aan: alakendu das
>> CC: indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque
>> 
>> Dear Alakendu,
>> 
>> There are several English translations. The best known is perhaps the "Little Clay Cart" of the American Sanskritist Arthur Ryder, first published in 1905.
>> 
>> cordially,
>> Matthew
>> 
>> Matthew Kapstein
>> Directeur d'?tudes, 
>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>> 
>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>> The University of Chicago
>> From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com <mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com> <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com <mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>> on behalf of alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com <mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:16 AM
>> To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu <mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
>> Cc: indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>>
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque
>>  
>> Dr.Kapstein,
>> I rue that I saw this post so late.It <https://f6mobile.rediff.com/cgi-bin/prored.cgi?red=http://late.It&isImage=0&BlockImage=0&rediffng=0&rdf=VW0Jalc5Vz4BMQAxU2EHP1ZkXzAPMQRvU29eJgc1AGleeA%3D%3D&rogue=69661426a5944b68cca2fb4194cac1377a0a9342>'s indeed awe-inspiring.! I feel there exists an English version of MrchhaKatikam, namely The Clay Cart.I shall confirm it.
>> Alakendu Das 
>> 
>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>> Sent: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 18:09:29 GMT+0530
>> To: "indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>" <INDOLOGY at list.indology.info <mailto:INDOLOGY at list.indology.info>>
>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit drama in La Belle ?poque
>> 
>> Dear Indologists,
>> 
>> You may find this to be amusing. 
>> 
>> Visiting the huge exhibition of the works of Toulouse-Lautrec currently on view at the Grand Palais in Paris, I was surprised to find, amidst his many posters for theater and cabaret, the one I include here, for a production of the 
>> M?cchaka?ik?, - the title is even given in devanagari at lower right. If you read carefully, you'll see that TL himself is credited with the sets for the fifth act, though I do not know if any trace of these survives, or if it was photographed. They must have been wonderful!
>> 
>> <IMG_1488.JPG>
>> 
>> Matthew Kapstein
>> Directeur d'?tudes, 
>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>> 
>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>> The University of Chicago
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From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 23:57:31 2019
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 19:57:31 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
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Dear list members,
"A Primer in Grantha Characters" relating devanagari to grantha
characters has after h  what I think is  vedic l followed by kSa for
51 characters .

A chart I have relating  Sharada characters  to devanagari (I no
longer recall the source and I have no title page for it ) has   kSa
tra jJa SNa STa STha after h .(I'm using Kyoto-Harvard
transliteration).

Harry Spier

On 11/1/19, Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> Many documents containing the "alphabet" in Devanagari and other scripts,
> ancient and modern, have k?a, j?a, and/or tra added in various combinations
> (one, two, or all three), at the end, after ha, because these are graphic
> ligatures, in the sense that they are (no longer) obviously combinations of
> their component graphs. The criteria are graphic, not phonetic (although
> coincidentally j?a is phonetically distinct in most languages dialects from
> j-?). You can see some or all of these special graphs in various Indian
> primers for teaching reading to children.
>
> The position of the ligatures at the end of the "alphabet" is part of a
> general pattern in script history whereby "extra" characters get added ?
> understandably ? at the end of the standard sequence. This is why,
> for example, our alphabet has v-w-x-y-z at the end; these were not part of
> the character sets in the scripts from which "Latin" is developed, going
> back to the Phoenician (and ultimately even to proto-Canaanite) script,
> which ended with t.
>
> Rich Salomon
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 2:20 AM Martin Joachim K?mmel via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Madhav and colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>> in NW Indo-Aryan, old *k?* developed into a new phoneme, a retroflex
>> affricate *??h*, and I have long been wondering if this might be one
>> factor relevant for the special status of this ak?ara. Although lack of l
>> might also have been an originally NW feature, I am not sure this would
>> still be relevant at the time, and for the other peculiarities, I don?t
>> see
>> how they might be explained as NW.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Univ.-Prof. Dr. Martin Joachim K?mmel
>>
>> Friedrich-Schiller-Universit?t Jena, Philosophische Fakult?t
>>
>> Institut f?r Orientalistik, Indogermanistik, Ur-und Fr?hgeschichtliche
>> Arch?ologie
>>
>> Seminar f?r Indogermanistik
>>
>> Zw?tzengasse 12, D-07743 Jena, Germany
>>
>> Tel. +49-(0)3641-9443-81 Fax -82 Sekretariat -80
>>
>> E-mail: martin-joachim.kuemmel at uni-jena.de
>>
>> Homepage: http://www.oriindufa.uni-jena.de/k%C3%BCmmel_martin.html
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> *Im Auftrag von
>> *Madhav
>> Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2019 18:25
>> *An:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>; Bharatiya Vidvat parishad <
>> bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
>> *Betreff:* [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>>      As I have been reading the Lipi??l?sandar?ana-Parivarta of the
>> Lalitavistara [p. 89, P. L. Vaidya edition], some interesting features of
>> the alphabet popped up for me.  The Alphabet omits *r?* and *l?*, but
>> includes *ai, au*, and *a?*. Among the consonants, it adds *k? *at the
>> end after *h*.  The version of this passage as given in the
>> Bauddh?gam?rthasa?graha [ed by P. L. Vaidya] also omits *l*, while it is
>> included in the version of Lalitavistara edited by Vaidya himself.  I
>> wonder if there are textual variants about this.  I don't know what this
>> alphabet represents.  The omission of *r? *and *l? *goes along the
>> phonologies of Prakrits, but the inclusion of *ai, au*, and *a?* goes in
>> the direction of Sanskrit.  The addition of *k? *and the possible
>> omission of *l *point to something else that I cannot figure out.  Any
>> suggestions and references are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>>
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Nov  2 01:19:47 2019
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 18:19:47 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
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The traditional Marathi charts of the Alphabet [called ?????????] also end
in ?, ?, ???, ???.

[image: image.png]
Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:58 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list members,
> "A Primer in Grantha Characters" relating devanagari to grantha
> characters has after h  what I think is  vedic l followed by kSa for
> 51 characters .
>
> A chart I have relating  Sharada characters  to devanagari (I no
> longer recall the source and I have no title page for it ) has   kSa
> tra jJa SNa STa STha after h .(I'm using Kyoto-Harvard
> transliteration).
>
> Harry Spier
>
> On 11/1/19, Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> wrote:
> > Many documents containing the "alphabet" in Devanagari and other scripts,
> > ancient and modern, have k?a, j?a, and/or tra added in various
> combinations
> > (one, two, or all three), at the end, after ha, because these are graphic
> > ligatures, in the sense that they are (no longer) obviously combinations
> of
> > their component graphs. The criteria are graphic, not phonetic (although
> > coincidentally j?a is phonetically distinct in most languages dialects
> from
> > j-?). You can see some or all of these special graphs in various Indian
> > primers for teaching reading to children.
> >
> > The position of the ligatures at the end of the "alphabet" is part of a
> > general pattern in script history whereby "extra" characters get added ?
> > understandably ? at the end of the standard sequence. This is why,
> > for example, our alphabet has v-w-x-y-z at the end; these were not part
> of
> > the character sets in the scripts from which "Latin" is developed, going
> > back to the Phoenician (and ultimately even to proto-Canaanite) script,
> > which ended with t.
> >
> > Rich Salomon
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 2:20 AM Martin Joachim K?mmel via INDOLOGY <
> > indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Madhav and colleagues,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> in NW Indo-Aryan, old *k?* developed into a new phoneme, a retroflex
> >> affricate *??h*, and I have long been wondering if this might be one
> >> factor relevant for the special status of this ak?ara. Although lack of
> l
> >> might also have been an originally NW feature, I am not sure this would
> >> still be relevant at the time, and for the other peculiarities, I don?t
> >> see
> >> how they might be explained as NW.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Univ.-Prof. Dr. Martin Joachim K?mmel
> >>
> >> Friedrich-Schiller-Universit?t Jena, Philosophische Fakult?t
> >>
> >> Institut f?r Orientalistik, Indogermanistik, Ur-und Fr?hgeschichtliche
> >> Arch?ologie
> >>
> >> Seminar f?r Indogermanistik
> >>
> >> Zw?tzengasse 12, D-07743 Jena, Germany
> >>
> >> Tel. +49-(0)3641-9443-81 Fax -82 Sekretariat -80
> >>
> >> E-mail: martin-joachim.kuemmel at uni-jena.de
> >>
> >> Homepage: http://www.oriindufa.uni-jena.de/k%C3%BCmmel_martin.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> *Im Auftrag von
> >> *Madhav
> >> Deshpande via INDOLOGY
> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2019 18:25
> >> *An:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>; Bharatiya Vidvat
> parishad <
> >> bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
> >> *Betreff:* [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Colleagues,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>      As I have been reading the Lipi??l?sandar?ana-Parivarta of the
> >> Lalitavistara [p. 89, P. L. Vaidya edition], some interesting features
> of
> >> the alphabet popped up for me.  The Alphabet omits *r?* and *l?*, but
> >> includes *ai, au*, and *a?*. Among the consonants, it adds *k? *at the
> >> end after *h*.  The version of this passage as given in the
> >> Bauddh?gam?rthasa?graha [ed by P. L. Vaidya] also omits *l*, while it is
> >> included in the version of Lalitavistara edited by Vaidya himself.  I
> >> wonder if there are textual variants about this.  I don't know what this
> >> alphabet represents.  The omission of *r? *and *l? *goes along the
> >> phonologies of Prakrits, but the inclusion of *ai, au*, and *a?* goes in
> >> the direction of Sanskrit.  The addition of *k? *and the possible
> >> omission of *l *point to something else that I cannot figure out.  Any
> >> suggestions and references are welcome.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Madhav M. Deshpande
> >>
> >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> >>
> >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> >>
> >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> >> committee)
> >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or
> >> unsubscribe)
> >>
> >
>
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From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 02:31:35 2019
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 19 22:31:35 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
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A chart of modi script I have agrees with what Madhav shows for
Marathi devanagari alphabet.

I also have a nepal script primer that has kSa, tra, jJa after ha.

Harry Spier

On 11/1/19, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
> The traditional Marathi charts of the Alphabet [called ?????????] also end
> in ?, ?, ???, ???.
>
> [image: image.png]
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:58 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>> "A Primer in Grantha Characters" relating devanagari to grantha
>> characters has after h  what I think is  vedic l followed by kSa for
>> 51 characters .
>>
>> A chart I have relating  Sharada characters  to devanagari (I no
>> longer recall the source and I have no title page for it ) has   kSa
>> tra jJa SNa STa STha after h .(I'm using Kyoto-Harvard
>> transliteration).
>>
>> Harry Spier
>>
>> On 11/1/19, Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> wrote:
>> > Many documents containing the "alphabet" in Devanagari and other
>> > scripts,
>> > ancient and modern, have k?a, j?a, and/or tra added in various
>> combinations
>> > (one, two, or all three), at the end, after ha, because these are
>> > graphic
>> > ligatures, in the sense that they are (no longer) obviously
>> > combinations
>> of
>> > their component graphs. The criteria are graphic, not phonetic
>> > (although
>> > coincidentally j?a is phonetically distinct in most languages dialects
>> from
>> > j-?). You can see some or all of these special graphs in various Indian
>> > primers for teaching reading to children.
>> >
>> > The position of the ligatures at the end of the "alphabet" is part of a
>> > general pattern in script history whereby "extra" characters get added
>> > ?
>> > understandably ? at the end of the standard sequence. This is why,
>> > for example, our alphabet has v-w-x-y-z at the end; these were not part
>> of
>> > the character sets in the scripts from which "Latin" is developed,
>> > going
>> > back to the Phoenician (and ultimately even to proto-Canaanite) script,
>> > which ended with t.
>> >
>> > Rich Salomon
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 2:20 AM Martin Joachim K?mmel via INDOLOGY <
>> > indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Madhav and colleagues,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> in NW Indo-Aryan, old *k?* developed into a new phoneme, a retroflex
>> >> affricate *??h*, and I have long been wondering if this might be one
>> >> factor relevant for the special status of this ak?ara. Although lack
>> >> of
>> l
>> >> might also have been an originally NW feature, I am not sure this
>> >> would
>> >> still be relevant at the time, and for the other peculiarities, I
>> >> don?t
>> >> see
>> >> how they might be explained as NW.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All the best,
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Univ.-Prof. Dr. Martin Joachim K?mmel
>> >>
>> >> Friedrich-Schiller-Universit?t Jena, Philosophische Fakult?t
>> >>
>> >> Institut f?r Orientalistik, Indogermanistik, Ur-und Fr?hgeschichtliche
>> >> Arch?ologie
>> >>
>> >> Seminar f?r Indogermanistik
>> >>
>> >> Zw?tzengasse 12, D-07743 Jena, Germany
>> >>
>> >> Tel. +49-(0)3641-9443-81 Fax -82 Sekretariat -80
>> >>
>> >> E-mail: martin-joachim.kuemmel at uni-jena.de
>> >>
>> >> Homepage: http://www.oriindufa.uni-jena.de/k%C3%BCmmel_martin.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *Von:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> *Im Auftrag von
>> >> *Madhav
>> >> Deshpande via INDOLOGY
>> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2019 18:25
>> >> *An:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>; Bharatiya Vidvat
>> parishad <
>> >> bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
>> >> *Betreff:* [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear Colleagues,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>      As I have been reading the Lipi??l?sandar?ana-Parivarta of the
>> >> Lalitavistara [p. 89, P. L. Vaidya edition], some interesting features
>> of
>> >> the alphabet popped up for me.  The Alphabet omits *r?* and *l?*, but
>> >> includes *ai, au*, and *a?*. Among the consonants, it adds *k? *at the
>> >> end after *h*.  The version of this passage as given in the
>> >> Bauddh?gam?rthasa?graha [ed by P. L. Vaidya] also omits *l*, while it
>> >> is
>> >> included in the version of Lalitavistara edited by Vaidya himself.  I
>> >> wonder if there are textual variants about this.  I don't know what
>> >> this
>> >> alphabet represents.  The omission of *r? *and *l? *goes along the
>> >> phonologies of Prakrits, but the inclusion of *ai, au*, and *a?* goes
>> >> in
>> >> the direction of Sanskrit.  The addition of *k? *and the possible
>> >> omission of *l *point to something else that I cannot figure out.  Any
>> >> suggestions and references are welcome.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> >>
>> >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> >>
>> >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> >>
>> >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> >> committee)
>> >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>> or
>> >> unsubscribe)
>> >>
>> >
>>
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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sat Nov  2 11:56:50 2019
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 19 12:56:50 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Depictions_of_yoga_in_k=C4=81vya?=
In-Reply-To: <7BD22434-2F94-4FE6-856E-106E6E6F2510@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20191102125650.Horde.23t9_loQu0AHUkM8PyzfZc6@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>

Dear Prof. Sathaye,

You might also be interested in the following stories from the  
Mok?op?ya (it's only a selection of possibly relevant narrations):

-- The story of Udd?laka (MU, book 5, chapters 51-55)
-- The story of V?tahavya (MU 5.82-89)
-- The story of the raven Bhusu??a (MU 6.14-28)
-- The story of ?ikhidhvaja and C???l? (MU 6.81-114)

Best wishes,
Roland






From rpjain1903 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 12:02:41 2019
From: rpjain1903 at gmail.com (Rajeev P. Jain)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 19 17:32:41 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Vegetarianism a study
Message-ID: <1836FDA0-F14D-4576-BFC5-CCA58C64288B@gmail.com>

Dear Members 

Currently, I'm pursuing on topic Vegetarianism in different religions. In this regard, I would humbly request you to provide references of some articles /books on vegetarianism in Hindu religious scriptures/religious text. 
It is my firm belief that your wide knowledge in Indology, would provide valuable scholarly references and guidance to take my work forward.
Warm Regards,

Sincerely 
Rajeev  Jain
10 A Rajniwas Marg 
Civil Lines
'ANANDA'-villa # 7
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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 12:40:35 2019
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 19 13:40:35 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Depictions_of_yoga_in_k=C4=81vya?=
In-Reply-To: <20191102125650.Horde.23t9_loQu0AHUkM8PyzfZc6@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <3dc2f5e6-427e-c58c-4569-9a50698dc01e@gmail.com>


An important Yoga-posture for western people is standing on one leg and 
keep both arms up to the sky with the second leg in another upwards 
position:

Sanskrit-sources like the MBh deliver the textual description where it 
is called
?rdhvab?hu ekap?dene tapas

One example is the tapas of Bhag?ratha who brought the Gang? down to the 
earth by the power of his ?rdhvab?hu ekap?dena tapas.

This story is depicted also in stone (I think, not sure, in 
Mahabalipuram): There you can see Bhag?ratha stays exactly in the same 
manner like the follower of Yoga.

Also Arjuna used after the war this tapas to contact Indra.? This 
episode I saw represented in a similar way in a temple of Southindia.

I had also several encounters in India with Sadhus engaged in this 
"Yoga"-practice.

Best

Heiner

Rolf Heinrich Koch


Am 02.11.2019 um 12:56 schrieb Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY:
> Dear Prof. Sathaye,
>
> You might also be interested in the following stories from the 
> Mok?op?ya (it's only a selection of possibly relevant narrations):
>
> -- The story of Udd?laka (MU, book 5, chapters 51-55)
> -- The story of V?tahavya (MU 5.82-89)
> -- The story of the raven Bhusu??a (MU 6.14-28)
> -- The story of ?ikhidhvaja and C???l? (MU 6.81-114)
>
> Best wishes,
> Roland
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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From baums at lmu.de  Sat Nov  2 13:22:24 2019
From: baums at lmu.de (Stefan Baums)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 19 21:22:24 +0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
In-Reply-To: <f269319a9eb74e1fb0401d2dd89863e8@uni-jena.de>
Message-ID: <874kzmo1kf.fsf@lmu.de>

Dear Martin,

> in NW Indo-Aryan, old k? developed into a new phoneme, a
> retroflex affricate ??h, and I have long been wondering if this
> might be one factor relevant for the special status of this
> ak?ara

indirectly I think it was. The Kharo??h? script uses a basic,
non-compositional sign for [???] (??? ? this may not be rendered
correctly on all computers), and the sign for the palatal aspirate
affricate ch [??] (?) is in fact derived from the retroflex one.

Even though the (later?) Br?hm? script does not follow Kharo??h?
in this and composes k? from k + ?, a memory of the (earlier?)
special status of k? appears to have suevived in its position. The
same may also be true for j? at the end of the alphabet, which
etymologially corresponds to simple ? [?] (?) in Kharo??h? as used
for G?ndh?r?.

All best,
Stefan

-- 
Stefan Baums, Ph.D.
Institut f?r Indologie und Tibetologie
Ludwig?Maximilians?Universit?t M?nchen





From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Nov  2 13:32:39 2019
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 19 06:32:39 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The alphabet found in the Lalitavistara
In-Reply-To: <874kzmo1kf.fsf@lmu.de>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcjg1GcgzjZ9bz-_NVQR_onbSMPfe+qaOpubZNXgozP6w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for a stimulating discussion.  Very informative.  Best,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 6:30 AM Stefan Baums via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Martin,
>
> > in NW Indo-Aryan, old k? developed into a new phoneme, a
> > retroflex affricate ??h, and I have long been wondering if this
> > might be one factor relevant for the special status of this
> > ak?ara
>
> indirectly I think it was. The Kharo??h? script uses a basic,
> non-compositional sign for [???] (??? ? this may not be rendered
> correctly on all computers), and the sign for the palatal aspirate
> affricate ch [??] (?) is in fact derived from the retroflex one.
>
> Even though the (later?) Br?hm? script does not follow Kharo??h?
> in this and composes k? from k + ?, a memory of the (earlier?)
> special status of k? appears to have suevived in its position. The
> same may also be true for j? at the end of the alphabet, which
> etymologially corresponds to simple ? [?] (?) in Kharo??h? as used
> for G?ndh?r?.
>
> All best,
> Stefan
>
> --
> Stefan Baums, Ph.D.
> Institut f?r Indologie und Tibetologie
> Ludwig?Maximilians?Universit?t M?nchen
>
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From Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at  Sat Nov  2 15:12:39 2019
From: Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at (Eltschinger, Vincent)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 19 15:12:39 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Vegetarianism a study
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Dear Mr. Jain,

Here are a few titles. Note that they are more directly related to the issue of ahi?s? than to vegetarianism proper. I hope that some of them will be of some help. Lambert Schmithausen is currently putting the finishing touch to a much awaited monography on the subject.



Caillat 1993?Colette Caillat: Words for Violence in the ?Seniors of the Jaina Canon.? Pp. 207?236 in Rudy Smet and Kenji Watanabe (eds.): Jain Studies in Honour of Josef Deleu. Tokyo 1993: Hon-no-Tomosha.

Houben 1999?Jan E.M. Houben: To Kill or Not to Kill the Sacrificial Animal (yaj?a-pa?u)? Arguments and Perspectives in Brahminical Ethical Philosophy. Pp. 105?183 in Jan E.M. Houben and Karel R. van Kooij (eds.): Violence Denied. Violence, Non-Violence and the Rationalization of Violence in South Asian Cultural History. Leiden, Boston, K?ln 1999: Brill (Brill?s Indological Library 16).

Kataoka 2012?Kei Kataoka: Is Killing Bad? Dispute on Animal Sacrifices between Buddhism and M?m??s?. Pp. 349?367 in Chikafumi Watanabe, Michele Desmarais, Yoshichika Honda (eds.): Sa?sk?ta-s?dhut?. Goodness of Sanskrit. Studies in Honour of Professor Ashok N. Aklujkar. New Delhi 2012: D.K. Printworld.

Schmithausen 1991a?Lambert Schmithausen: Buddhism and Nature. Tokyo 1991: The International Institute for Buddhist Studies (Studia Philologica Buddhica, Occasional Papers Series, 7).

Schmithausen 1991b?Lambert Schmithausen: The Problem of the Sentience of Plants in Earliest Buddhism. Tokyo 1991: The International Institute for Buddhist Studies (Studia Philologica Buddhica, Monograph Series, 6).

Schmithausen 2000?Lambert Schmithausen: Essen, ohne zu t?ten. Zur Frage von Fleischverzehr und Vegetarismus im Buddhismus. Pp. 145?202 and 286?288 in Perry Schmidt-Leukel (ed.): Die Religionen und das Essen. Kreuzlingen and Munich 2000: Hugendubel (Diederichs Gelbe Reihe 163).

Schmithausen 2005?Lambert Schmithausen: Meat-Eating and Nature: Buddhist Perspectives. Supplements to the Bulletin of the Research Institute of Bukkyo University (March 2005), 183?201.

Schmithausen 2009?Lambert Schmithausen: Plants in Early Buddhism an the Far Eastern Idea of the Buddha-Nature of Grasses and Trees. Lumbini 2009: Lumbini International Research Institute.

Schmithausen/Maithrimurthi 2009?Lambert Schmithausen and Mudagamuwe Maithrimurthi: Attitudes Towards Animals in Indian Buddhism. Pp. 47?121 in Nalini Balbir and Georges-Jean Pinault (eds.): Penser, dire et repr?senter l?animal dans le monde indien. Paris 2009: Librairie Honor? Champion, ?diteur.

Seyfort Ruegg 1980?David Seyfort Ruegg: Ahi?s? and Vegetarianism in the History of Buddhism. Pp. 234?241 in Somaratna Balasooriya et al. (eds.): Buddhist Studies in Honour of Walpola Rahula. London 1980: Gordon Fraser.

Tull 1996?Herman W. Tull: The Killing that is Not Killing: Men, Cattle, and the Origins of Non-Violence (ahi?s?) in the Vedic Sacrifice. Indo-Iranian Journal 39 (1996), pp. 223?244.



With kind regards,

Vincent Eltschinger





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Directeur d'?tudes
?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses
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vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr
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Dear Members

Currently, I'm pursuing on topic Vegetarianism in different religions. In this regard, I would humbly request you to provide references of some articles /books on vegetarianism in Hindu religious scriptures/religious text.
It is my firm belief that your wide knowledge in Indology, would provide valuable scholarly references and guidance to take my work forward.
Warm Regards,

Sincerely
Rajeev  Jain
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From andrew.ollett at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 04:12:26 2019
From: andrew.ollett at gmail.com (Andrew Ollett)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 19 23:12:26 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables
Message-ID: <CAANHO17Da=zTtieS+0bhT4ZmAenZ6JVgSyLHx5VmeguMRS6eag@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

I was wondering whether anyone has experience drawing up "script tables,"
representating the characters used either in a given document (say a
manuscript or inscription) or in a collection of documents. I realize that
a lot depends on whether the table will be printed or published online
(e.g., the use of color images), but I'm interested in recommendations for
producing suitable images. (I'm aware of the very useful charts, adapted
from B?hler?s Indische Palaeographie, that D?niel Balogh posted on this
list some time ago.)

Andrew


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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Sun Nov  3 09:31:21 2019
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 09:31:21 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables
In-Reply-To: <CAANHO17Da=zTtieS+0bhT4ZmAenZ6JVgSyLHx5VmeguMRS6eag@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Andrew,

I assume that you are familiar with the Indoskript database of our colleagues Harry Falk and Oliver Hellwig, but, if not, by all means take a close look:
http://www.indoskript.org/

As for producing the images themselves, I will also be interested in recommendations from others. I've been using digital imaging (scan or photo) of the highest resolution possible for folio, or folio part, images, followed by cut-and-paste in Photoshop, playing with color and contrast if required to maximize the clarity of the syllable. Digital bricolage, in fact.

all best,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 11:12 PM
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Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables

Dear list members,

I was wondering whether anyone has experience drawing up "script tables," representating the characters used either in a given document (say a manuscript or inscription) or in a collection of documents. I realize that a lot depends on whether the table will be printed or published online (e.g., the use of color images), but I'm interested in recommendations for producing suitable images. (I'm aware of the very useful charts, adapted from B?hler?s Indische Palaeographie, that D?niel Balogh posted on this list some time ago.)

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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  3 10:02:46 2019
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 10:02:46 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables
In-Reply-To: <CAANHO17Da=zTtieS+0bhT4ZmAenZ6JVgSyLHx5VmeguMRS6eag@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Andrew,

I have so far only used the cut and paste method and published only one table produced by relatively primitive methods (http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/jbs/summary/v019/19.2.griffiths.html).

With my students in Paris, I am soon going to start experimenting with use of this system: <http://archetype.ink/#about>. If something useful comes out of it, I'll send another post to the list.

Best wishes,

Arlo


Archetype<http://archetype.ink/#about>
About What is Archetype? Archetype is an integrated suite of web-based tools for the study of medieval handwriting, art and iconography. Using Archetype, scholars can annotate, describe and tag an image, or part of an image.
archetype.ink





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Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 4:12 AM
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables

Dear list members,

I was wondering whether anyone has experience drawing up "script tables," representing the characters used either in a given document (say a manuscript or inscription) or in a collection of documents. I realize that a lot depends on whether the table will be printed or published online (e.g., the use of color images), but I'm interested in recommendations for producing suitable images. (I'm aware of the very useful charts, adapted from B?hler?s Indische Palaeographie, that D?niel Balogh posted on this list some time ago.)

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From elisa.freschi at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 10:17:00 2019
From: elisa.freschi at gmail.com (Elisa Freschi)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 11:17:00 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Depictions_of_yoga_in_k=C4=81vya?=
In-Reply-To: <7BD22434-2F94-4FE6-856E-106E6E6F2510@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEYKMad_dcgCAa53wZP6_q2sp0a+Qt_OktFoQVt_R5sfyzh-sA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Adheesh,

in case you don't know about it, there is also:
Philipp Maas' article on Yoga in the ?i?up?lavadha (published in Adaptive
Reuse: Aspects of Creativity in South Asian Cultural History, which you can
download here
<https://www.academia.edu/31005848/Adaptive_Reuse_Aspects_of_Creativity_in_South_Asian_Cultural_History>
).

Best wishes with your research!

elisa

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 02:32, adheesh sathaye via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear colleagues:
>
> In working with a student, we are curious if there has been research done
> on depictions of ?yoga? (in any of its various manifestations),
> specifically within the ornate Sanskrit k?vya tradition.
>
> We would be most delighted to get your recommendations of scholarly
> studies or of primary sources. Examples that come to my mind are the
> descriptions of P?rvat??s tapas in the Kum?rasambhava - (though it might be
> arguable whether this constitutes ?yoga? per se) - or of tantrikas in the
> plays of R?ja?ekhara, K?em??vara, and Bhavabh?ti - (though these
> characters, too, are not usually shown as practicing or engaged in yoga in
> any active sense, and are furthermore usually lampooned).
>
> I look forward to your responses!
>
> With all best wishes,
> Adheesh
>
>
> ?
> Adheesh Sathaye
> University of British Columbia
>
>
>
>
>
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From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 10:27:02 2019
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 15:57:02 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables
In-Reply-To: <CAANHO17Da=zTtieS+0bhT4ZmAenZ6JVgSyLHx5VmeguMRS6eag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHRgzy2KDvdXQzgaX5Y5h2NdnzY88aFixtYoG=-Tjy7=-JUAvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Andrew,

I've created tables quickly and easily using Adobe Illustrator; I
essentially trace scanned images from manuscripts (automatically or
manually depending on the complexity of the character). The benefit of
creating vector graphics is that they are easy to modify and reproduce in
all sorts of software and application contexts (and are obviously much
smaller in size than other types of image files).

Since Adobe is proprietary and costly, I've also looked at some free
graphic design applications
<https://www.nyfa.edu/student-resources/six-free-alternatives-to-adobe-illustrator/>
which are solid, though Illustrator is still my favorite.

Best,
Tyler


On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 9:43 AM Andrew Ollett via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> I was wondering whether anyone has experience drawing up "script tables,"
> representating the characters used either in a given document (say a
> manuscript or inscription) or in a collection of documents. I realize that
> a lot depends on whether the table will be printed or published online
> (e.g., the use of color images), but I'm interested in recommendations for
> producing suitable images. (I'm aware of the very useful charts, adapted
> from B?hler?s Indische Palaeographie, that D?niel Balogh posted on this
> list some time ago.)
>
> Andrew
> _______________________________________________
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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sun Nov  3 10:38:44 2019
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 11:38:44 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables
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Dear Andrew,

You could also contact Dragomir Dimitrov who produced several script tables:

-- The Bhaik?uk? Manuscript of the Candr?la?k?ra. Study, Script  
Tables, and Facsimile Edition. By Dragomir Dimitrov. Cambridge, Mass.,  
London: Harvard University Press 2010 (Harvard Oriental Series. 729).

-- "Tables of the Old Bengali Script (on the basis of a Nepalese  
manuscript of Da??in's K?vy?dar?a), in: ?ikhisamuccaya?. Indian and  
Tibetan Studies. Ed. by Dragomir Dimitrov, Ulrike Roesler and Roland  
Steiner. Wien: Arbeitskreis f?r tibetische und buddhistische Studien,  
Universit?t Wien 2002 (Wiener Studien zur Tibetologie und  
Buddhismuskunde. 53), pp. 27-78.

Best,
Roland






From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 10:47:41 2019
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 16:17:41 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables
In-Reply-To: <CAHRgzy2KDvdXQzgaX5Y5h2NdnzY88aFixtYoG=-Tjy7=-JUAvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHRgzy3LD5+21q9L_RCmLOkvuXV_2tYa722d9exm07fX3f9i1A@mail.gmail.com>

I've attached an example of results here...



On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 3:57 PM Tyler Williams <tylerwwilliams at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Andrew,
>
> I've created tables quickly and easily using Adobe Illustrator; I
> essentially trace scanned images from manuscripts (automatically or
> manually depending on the complexity of the character). The benefit of
> creating vector graphics is that they are easy to modify and reproduce in
> all sorts of software and application contexts (and are obviously much
> smaller in size than other types of image files).
>
> Since Adobe is proprietary and costly, I've also looked at some free
> graphic design applications
> <https://www.nyfa.edu/student-resources/six-free-alternatives-to-adobe-illustrator/>
> which are solid, though Illustrator is still my favorite.
>
> Best,
> Tyler
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 9:43 AM Andrew Ollett via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> I was wondering whether anyone has experience drawing up "script tables,"
>> representating the characters used either in a given document (say a
>> manuscript or inscription) or in a collection of documents. I realize that
>> a lot depends on whether the table will be printed or published online
>> (e.g., the use of color images), but I'm interested in recommendations for
>> producing suitable images. (I'm aware of the very useful charts, adapted
>> from B?hler?s Indische Palaeographie, that D?niel Balogh posted on this
>> list some time ago.)
>>
>> Andrew
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
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From franceschini.marco at fastwebnet.it  Sun Nov  3 10:50:19 2019
From: franceschini.marco at fastwebnet.it (Marco Franceschini)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 11:50:19 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables
In-Reply-To: <CAANHO17Da=zTtieS+0bhT4ZmAenZ6JVgSyLHx5VmeguMRS6eag@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Andrew,

it is several years now that I am working on a vast repertoire of all the graphemes/conjuncts/clusters/ligatures that are found in manuscripts written in the Grantha script. Basically, what I am building is a huge table including thousands of small pictures taken from a group of selected manuscripts. The pictures that I am using are of different provenance and quality, so I wrote a Photoshop ?action? (basically, a series of commands which can be run routinely) to standardize all the "technical? parameters of the pictures ? resolution, brightness, contrast, dimensions, etc. After that, I apply a dimming effect (which can be obtained using the ?Level? command in Photoshop) to have the letters clearly legible and, at the same time, to preserve the context in which they appear. The work is still in progress, but the output of this process can be seen in the table on pp. 86-105 of this article published by Giovanni Ciotti and me three years ago: 

https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/books/9783110479010/9783110479010-004/9783110479010-004.pdf <https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/books/9783110479010/9783110479010-004/9783110479010-004.pdf>

With best wishes,

Marco
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University of Bologna
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https://www.unibo.it/sitoweb/marco.franceschini3/en <https://www.unibo.it/sitoweb/marco.franceschini3/en>
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> Il giorno 03 nov 2019, alle ore 05:12, Andrew Ollett via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> ha scritto:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> I was wondering whether anyone has experience drawing up "script tables," representating the characters used either in a given document (say a manuscript or inscription) or in a collection of documents. I realize that a lot depends on whether the table will be printed or published online (e.g., the use of color images), but I'm interested in recommendations for producing suitable images. (I'm aware of the very useful charts, adapted from B?hler?s Indische Palaeographie, that D?niel Balogh posted on this list some time ago.)
> 
> Andrew
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From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 10:55:07 2019
From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 11:55:07 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables
In-Reply-To: <20191103113844.Horde.omD_CLpooI-_qDkMtR93HoI@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <0a350b3a-79bb-9485-580f-3b2910c56d5f@gmail.com>

Dear Matthew,
if you want to construct any script or devanagari *font *(eg .ttf) for 
using in word documents:
Very important is to work with vector based images.
In the Nineties I produced some different styled Devanagari fonts with 
the help of the Windows app TypeFoundry.
This app no longer exists. Today the app FontCreator is available, which 
works similar.
You make a scan of the desired letters, import to FontCreator. There it 
will be converted into a vector image.
Now you will be able to make minor changes to the letter. You can also 
assign the letters to any keyboard key.
When you are finished the app will produce a .ttf font for the 
windows/font folder.
Of course you can also use this font for a script table.

Heiner


Am 03.11.2019 um 11:38 schrieb Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY:
> Dear Andrew,
>
> You could also contact Dragomir Dimitrov who produced several script 
> tables:
>
> -- The Bhaik?uk? Manuscript of the Candr?la?k?ra. Study, Script 
> Tables, and Facsimile Edition. By Dragomir Dimitrov. Cambridge, Mass., 
> London: Harvard University Press 2010 (Harvard Oriental Series. 729).
>
> -- "Tables of the Old Bengali Script (on the basis of a Nepalese 
> manuscript of Da??in's K?vy?dar?a), in: ?ikhisamuccaya?. Indian and 
> Tibetan Studies. Ed. by Dragomir Dimitrov, Ulrike Roesler and Roland 
> Steiner. Wien: Arbeitskreis f?r tibetische und buddhistische Studien, 
> Universit?t Wien 2002 (Wiener Studien zur Tibetologie und 
> Buddhismuskunde. 53), pp. 27-78.
>
> Best,
> Roland
>
>
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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Sun Nov  3 15:16:28 2019
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 15:16:28 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Identififying Ceylonese toponym Cauraga(s)hing
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Dear Jan:

Even though I know Sinhalese, I was unable to crack the term, which is probably mangled. So I asked Gananath and Ranjini Obeyesekere, who work in this period. This is what Ranjini said:

The location is possibly  in the region bordering the Mahiyangane hills that divide the Dumbara valley area ( the wetter Kandy side of the mountains)  from the East Coast dry heat.  Perhaps this is the name of a village located on the border around the area where he was held ..
The word was probably Caura gas hinna.  There are many places which have the suffix -- gas hinna.. Caura  gas may be a kind of tree after which the area was named. I do not know of that tree.  The nearest I can think of was
Karuvala gas --  the ebony tree named ; karuvala'

So, caura is probably some kind of tree; Ranjini suggests ?karuvala? ebony. The term ?gas? is tree in Sinhala, and we often add that to the name of the specific tree: so, pol gas is coconut tree.

The term hinna probably refers to the place (I have asked for the exact meaning of the term, and will let you know when I get a response).

Best,

Patrick Olivelle



On Nov 1, 2019, at 5:44 AM, Jan Filipsk? via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear All,
A student of mine is trying to identify the Ceylonese/Sri Lankan toponym ?Cauragashing? mentioned by the British sailor Robert Knox in his book An Historical Relation of Ceylon (1681), p. 4. According to the author, it is a mountain ?about the middle of the land? obviously separating the Wet and Dry zones of the island he had personally visited, describing his experience as follows: ?as oftentimes I have seen, being on the one side of a Mountain called Cauragas hing, rainy and wet weather, and as soon as I came on the other, dry, and so exceeding hot, that I could scarcely walk on the ground, being, as the manner there is, barefoot.?
One may infer that Knox refers to the Central (Kandyan) highlands, playing the role of a major watershed, a natural geographic divide; if so, could anybody explain the local name Cauraga(s)hing? If one may venture a speculation, couldn?t it refer to the whole mass of the highlands where the rebels (sinh. caura, cora) go to (sinh. ga) ? perhaps, in haste (sinh. hingu)? Sincere apologies to all knowledgeable colleagues for unsubstantiated fantasizing and many thanks for elucidating.
With best regards,
Jan Filipsky, Praha

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From filipsky at orient.cas.cz  Sun Nov  3 18:17:11 2019
From: filipsky at orient.cas.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Jan_Filipsk=C3=BD?=)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 19 19:17:11 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Identififying Ceylonese toponym Cauraga(s)hing
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Dear Patrick (if I may),

and all helpful contriburing colleagues, thank you for your insights. During my personal visit to Mahiyangana and the Dumbara valley area long time ago I have experienced a situation similar to that described by Robert Knox, but cannot recall the exact location. If we are ready to accept the supposition that ?c? stands for the palatal affricate, the botanical name of a tree caura gas (aka hora gaha, Dipterocarpus zeylanicus) occurs; but we should also take into account D?niel Balogh?s objection that ?Knox would surely have pronounced 'c' as the phoneme k? as evidenced in his Sinhalese vocabulary (JRASCB, No. 47, 1896). 

Both my student and myself are extremely grateful and keen to hear further details, if any. Unfortunately, we are unable to consult the Sinhalese translation Eda hela diva : Robat Noks ge Lankadvipaya pilibanda etihasika vistaraya nam Ingrisi granthaye Simhala anuvadaya by David Karunaratna (Kolamba 2016) or the second edition of Knox?s Historical Relation edited by J.H.O. Paulusz whose notes may show the way out of the ?heavy fog? (dum + bara).

Best regards, 

Jan Filipsky

 

From: Olivelle, J P [mailto:jpo at austin.utexas.edu] 
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 4:16 PM
To: Jan Filipsk? <filipsky at orient.cas.cz>
Cc: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Identififying Ceylonese toponym Cauraga(s)hing

 

Dear Jan:

 

Even though I know Sinhalese, I was unable to crack the term, which is probably mangled. So I asked Gananath and Ranjini Obeyesekere, who work in this period. This is what Ranjini said:

 

The location is possibly  in the region bordering the Mahiyangane hills that divide the Dumbara valley area ( the wetter Kandy side of the mountains)  from the East Coast dry heat.  Perhaps this is the name of a village located on the border around the area where he was held ..

The word was probably Caura gas hinna.  There are many places which have the suffix -- gas hinna.. Caura  gas may be a kind of tree after which the area was named. I do not know of that tree.  The nearest I can think of was 

Karuvala gas --  the ebony tree named ; karuvala' 

 

So, caura is probably some kind of tree; Ranjini suggests ?karuvala? ebony. The term ?gas? is tree in Sinhala, and we often add that to the name of the specific tree: so, pol gas is coconut tree.

 

The term hinna probably refers to the place (I have asked for the exact meaning of the term, and will let you know when I get a response). 

 

Best,

 

Patrick Olivelle

 

 

 

On Nov 1, 2019, at 5:44 AM, Jan Filipsk? via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info> > wrote:

 

Dear All,

A student of mine is trying to identify the Ceylonese/Sri Lankan toponym ?Cauragashing? mentioned by the British sailor Robert Knox in his book An Historical Relation of Ceylon (1681), p. 4. According to the author, it is a mountain ?about the middle of the land? obviously separating the Wet and Dry zones of the island he had personally visited, describing his experience as follows: ?as oftentimes I have seen, being on the one side of a Mountain called Cauragas hing, rainy and wet weather, and as soon as I came on the other, dry, and so exceeding hot, that I could scarcely walk on the ground, being, as the manner there is, barefoot.?

One may infer that Knox refers to the Central (Kandyan) highlands, playing the role of a major watershed, a natural geographic divide; if so, could anybody explain the local name Cauraga(s)hing? If one may venture a speculation, couldn?t it refer to the whole mass of the highlands where the rebels (sinh. caura, cora) go to (sinh. ga) ? perhaps, in haste (sinh. hingu)? Sincere apologies to all knowledgeable colleagues for unsubstantiated fantasizing and many thanks for elucidating.

With best regards,

Jan Filipsky, Praha

 


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From msa2b at virginia.edu  Mon Nov  4 00:38:52 2019
From: msa2b at virginia.edu (Allen, Michael S (msa2b))
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 00:38:52 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Depictions_of_yoga_in_k=C4=81vya?=
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Dear Adheesh,

Two additional suggestions:

- Harekrishna Meher's Philosophical Reflections in the Nai?adhacarita (1989) includes a chapter on Yoga.

- The introduction to S. K. Nambiar's English translation of the Prabodhacandrodaya (1998) includes a discussion (pp. 37-9) of the role of yoga in the play.

Best wishes,
Michael

Michael S. Allen
Assistant Professor
Department of Religious Studies
University of Virginia


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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Elisa Freschi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 5:17 AM
To: adheesh sathaye <adheesh1 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Depictions of yoga in k?vya

Dear Adheesh,

in case you don't know about it, there is also:
Philipp Maas' article on Yoga in the ?i?up?lavadha (published in Adaptive Reuse: Aspects of Creativity in South Asian Cultural History, which you can download here<https://www.academia.edu/31005848/Adaptive_Reuse_Aspects_of_Creativity_in_South_Asian_Cultural_History>).

Best wishes with your research!

elisa

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 02:32, adheesh sathaye via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Dear colleagues:

In working with a student, we are curious if there has been research done on depictions of ?yoga? (in any of its various manifestations), specifically within the ornate Sanskrit k?vya tradition.

We would be most delighted to get your recommendations of scholarly studies or of primary sources. Examples that come to my mind are the descriptions of P?rvat??s tapas in the Kum?rasambhava - (though it might be arguable whether this constitutes ?yoga? per se) - or of tantrikas in the plays of R?ja?ekhara, K?em??vara, and Bhavabh?ti - (though these characters, too, are not usually shown as practicing or engaged in yoga in any active sense, and are furthermore usually lampooned).

I look forward to your responses!

With all best wishes,
Adheesh


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University of British Columbia





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From tcoleman at coloradocollege.edu  Mon Nov  4 02:13:02 2019
From: tcoleman at coloradocollege.edu (Tracy Coleman)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 02:13:02 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Depictions_of_yoga_in_k=C4=81vya?=
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Dear Adheesh,

I wrote a piece comparing Krishna and the Buddha as yogis in k?vya:


 "Dharma, Yoga, and Viraha-Bhakti in Buddhacarita and K???acarita," in The Archaeology of Bhakti I: Mathur? and Maturai, Back and Forth, edited by Emmanuel Francis and Charlotte Schmid, pp. 31-61.  Pondich?ry, India: Institut Fran?ais / ?cole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient.  Collection Indologie 125 (2014).


You can find this on my page on Academia.edu, link below (if it works).  Or I can send you a copy.


Best wishes,


Tracy Coleman

Colorado College

https://coloradocollege.academia.edu/TracyColeman


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Subject: [INDOLOGY] Depictions of yoga in k?vya

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Dear colleagues:

In working with a student, we are curious if there has been research done on depictions of ?yoga? (in any of its various manifestations), specifically within the ornate Sanskrit k?vya tradition.

We would be most delighted to get your recommendations of scholarly studies or of primary sources. Examples that come to my mind are the descriptions of P?rvat??s tapas in the Kum?rasambhava - (though it might be arguable whether this constitutes ?yoga? per se) - or of tantrikas in the plays of R?ja?ekhara, K?em??vara, and Bhavabh?ti - (though these characters, too, are not usually shown as practicing or engaged in yoga in any active sense, and are furthermore usually lampooned).

I look forward to your responses!

With all best wishes,
Adheesh


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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Mon Nov  4 09:46:24 2019
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 09:46:24 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Depictions_of_yoga_in_k=C4=81vya?=
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Dear Adheesh,

I think that a key issue to consider in relation to the place of yoga in poetry and theater is the important and much contested question of ??ntarasa.
I have discussed it briefly in the introduction to my translation of Prabodhacandrodaya
https://www.academia.edu/27671250/Introduction_to_The_Rise_of_Wisdom_Moon_Prabodhacandrodaya_
which includes full references to the relevant work of Raghavan, of Patwardhan and Masson, etc., though undoubtably there is more on this topic that some of the others on the list may wish to reference.

best,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago

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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Tracy Coleman via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 8:13 PM
To: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Depictions of yoga in k?vya

Dear Adheesh,

I wrote a piece comparing Krishna and the Buddha as yogis in k?vya:


 "Dharma, Yoga, and Viraha-Bhakti in Buddhacarita and K???acarita," in The Archaeology of Bhakti I: Mathur? and Maturai, Back and Forth, edited by Emmanuel Francis and Charlotte Schmid, pp. 31-61.  Pondich?ry, India: Institut Fran?ais / ?cole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient.  Collection Indologie 125 (2014).


You can find this on my page on Academia.edu, link below (if it works).  Or I can send you a copy.


Best wishes,


Tracy Coleman

Colorado College

https://coloradocollege.academia.edu/TracyColeman


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Subject: [INDOLOGY] Depictions of yoga in k?vya

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Dear colleagues:

In working with a student, we are curious if there has been research done on depictions of ?yoga? (in any of its various manifestations), specifically within the ornate Sanskrit k?vya tradition.

We would be most delighted to get your recommendations of scholarly studies or of primary sources. Examples that come to my mind are the descriptions of P?rvat??s tapas in the Kum?rasambhava - (though it might be arguable whether this constitutes ?yoga? per se) - or of tantrikas in the plays of R?ja?ekhara, K?em??vara, and Bhavabh?ti - (though these characters, too, are not usually shown as practicing or engaged in yoga in any active sense, and are furthermore usually lampooned).

I look forward to your responses!

With all best wishes,
Adheesh


?
Adheesh Sathaye
University of British Columbia




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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Mon Nov  4 09:58:56 2019
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 09:58:56 +0000
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There is an anonymous allegorical Ha?sasa?de?a dealing with yoga issued as the number 103 in the TSS:
https://ia601902.us.archive.org/28/items/Trivandrum_Sanskrit_Series_TSS/TSS-103_Hamsasandesa_with_Commentary_-_KS_Sastri_1930.pdf
Yoga is also discussed in the play (prahasana type) Bhagavadajjuk?ya of Baudh?yana (cf. Van Buitenen's translation)
Probably a check in Warder's IKL will provide more references.

Le 4 nov. 2019 ? 01:38, Allen, Michael S (msa2b) via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a ?crit :

Dear Adheesh,

Two additional suggestions:

- Harekrishna Meher's Philosophical Reflections in the Nai?adhacarita (1989) includes a chapter on Yoga.

- The introduction to S. K. Nambiar's English translation of the Prabodhacandrodaya(1998) includes a discussion (pp. 37-9) of the role of yoga in the play.

Best wishes,
Michael

Michael S. Allen
Assistant Professor
Department of Religious Studies
University of Virginia


________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Elisa Freschi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Depictions of yoga in k?vya

Dear Adheesh,

in case you don't know about it, there is also:
Philipp Maas' article on Yoga in the ?i?up?lavadha (published in Adaptive Reuse: Aspects of Creativity in South Asian Cultural History, which you can download here<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.academia.edu%2F31005848%2FAdaptive_Reuse_Aspects_of_Creativity_in_South_Asian_Cultural_History&data=02%7C01%7C%7C87a9634e8c8b4847053808d760bf7bc2%7C7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec%7C0%7C0%7C637084247838515240&sdata=IjDE%2Fk6qj5k4VTbraBvywFRE7G7ZPlefzktqTLLSKq0%3D&reserved=0>).

Best wishes with your research!

elisa

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 02:32, adheesh sathaye via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Dear colleagues:

In working with a student, we are curious if there has been research done on depictions of ?yoga? (in any of its various manifestations), specifically within the ornate Sanskrit k?vya tradition.

We would be most delighted to get your recommendations of scholarly studies or of primary sources. Examples that come to my mind are the descriptions of P?rvat??s tapas in the Kum?rasambhava - (though it might be arguable whether this constitutes ?yoga? per se) - or of tantrikas in the plays of R?ja?ekhara, K?em??vara, and Bhavabh?ti - (though these characters, too, are not usually shown as practicing or engaged in yoga in any active sense, and are furthermore usually lampooned).

I look forward to your responses!

With all best wishes,
Adheesh


?
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University of British Columbia





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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 13:05:36 2019
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 13:05:36 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Vopadeva's Place of Origin
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Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dean


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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 13:07:03 2019
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 13:07:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
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 Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.
Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dean
  


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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 13:08:04 2019
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 13:08:04 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Error: please ignore Re:  Vopadeva's Place of Origin
In-Reply-To: <1554150029.518814.1572872736714@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <248869728.530847.1572872884164@mail.yahoo.com>

 I'm sorry. I gave this question the wrong title.
I have created a new thread with a proper title.
Dean

    On Monday, November 4, 2019, 7:05:36 AM CST, Dean Michael Anderson <eastwestcultural at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
 Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.
Thanks,
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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Mon Nov  4 15:07:41 2019
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 15:07:41 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
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>From a quick look at the index of Jean-Marie Verpoorten's M?m??s? Literature (with refs to pp. 20, 24, 30, 46), the discussion on the apauru?eya(tva) occurs in  ?abara's commentary on MS 1,1,5 and 1,1,27-32 (cf.  the ? "Veda not the work of a personal being" in G. Jha, P?rva-M?m??s? in its source, 1942, p. 126-127), in Kum?rila ?V (20, cf. D'SA, ?abdapr?m??ya in  ?abara and Kum?rila, Vienna, De Nobili Research Library, 1980, p. 197) and B? (cf. D'SA p. 189), and also in the M?m??s? (12th) chapter of the Sarvadar?anasa?graha.
Here two of his own papers on the subject:

That is:

- The 24th Chapter of the Tattvasa?graha: Refutation of the M?m??s? doctrine of ved?pauru?eyatva, Studies in M?m??s?: Dr. Mandan Mishra Felicitation Volume, ?d. R. C. Dwivedi, Delhi, 1994, pp. 117-129.

- La querelle de la M?m??s? et du Bouddhisme autour de l??ternit? du V?da, L?Orient des Dieux (publ. of the Universit? Saint-Joseph, Beyrouth) 6-7, 2006-2007, pp. 5-20.

See also by Kiyotaka Yoshimizu in Bronkhorst ed. 2007, pp. 220-224

https://www.academia.edu/32176020/_Kum?rila_s_Reevaluation_of_the_Sacrifice_and_the_Veda_from_a_Ved?nta_Perspective._

and the book of Elstchinger - Krasser and Taber, Can the Veda speak? Dharmak?rti against M?m??s? exegetics and Vedic authority, Vienna: OAW, 2012.

This is only a few references on the topic, related to PM. The apauru?eyatva of the Veda is also something found with Bhart?hari and Man?d?ana Mi?ra (Hugo David is saying that somewhere).




Le 4 nov. 2019 ? 14:07, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a ?crit :

Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?

I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.

Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dean

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From johannes.bronkhorst at unil.ch  Mon Nov  4 15:20:06 2019
From: johannes.bronkhorst at unil.ch (Johannes Bronkhorst)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 15:20:06 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Vopadeva's Place of Origin
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To my knowledge, the first text that states in so many words that the Veda is eternal and not composed is Pata?jali?s Mah?bh??ya (which uses the word nitya, but not apauru?eya; it does however deny that the Veda has been made (k?ta)). K?ty?yana appears to agree with Pata?jali. My paper ?When and why did the Veda become eternal?? is scheduled to appear in the proceedings of the most recent Vedic workshop.

Johannes Bronkhorst


On 4 Nov 2019, at 13:05, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?

I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.

Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dean

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Nov  4 15:33:37 2019
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 07:33:37 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
In-Reply-To: <83AAC41B-2361-4B67-9C76-ECCF4D59AA97@uclouvain.be>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzchOkkmQxpeyXKa4MOVDkDOyBqzs1RY3Q9h8DbE0z2rwQ@mail.gmail.com>

If my memory serves me correctly, Francis Clooney's book "Thinking
Ritually: Rediscovering the Purva Mimamsa of Jaimini (Publications of the
De Nobili Research Library) (Publications of the De Nobili Research Library)
<https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Ritually-Rediscovering-Publications-Research/dp/3900271216/ref=sr_1_30?crid=3DL1AXSOXU2NR&keywords=francis+x.+clooney&qid=1572881305&s=books&sprefix=Clooney%2C+FRancis%2Caps%2C202&sr=1-30>,"
has some discussion of this issue.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 7:08 AM Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> From a quick look at the index of Jean-Marie Verpoorten's *M*?m??s*?
> Literature *(with refs to pp. 20, 24, 30, 46), the discussion on the
> *apauru**?eya*(*tva*) occurs in  ?abara's commentary on MS 1,1,5 and
> 1,1,27-32 (cf.  the ? "Veda not the work of a personal being" in G. Jha,
> *P**?rva-**M*?m??s*? in its source, *1942, p. 126-127), in Kum?rila ?V
> (20, cf. D'SA, *?abdapr?m??ya in  ?abara and Kum**?rila*, Vienna, De
> Nobili Research Library, 1980, p. 197) and B? (cf. D'SA p. 189), and also
> in the *M*?m??s*? *(12th) chapter of the *Sarvadar**?anasa?graha*.
> Here two of his own papers on the subject:
>
> That is:
>
> - The 24th Chapter of the * Tattvasa?graha*: Refutation of the M?m??s?
> doctrine of *ved?pauru?eyatva*, *Studies in **M?m??s?:* *Dr. Mandan
> Mishra Felicitation Volume*, ?d. R. C. Dwivedi, Delhi, 1994, pp. 117-129.
>
>
> - La querelle de la M?m??s? et du Bouddhisme autour de l??ternit? du
> V?da, *L?Orient des Dieux *(publ. of the Universit? Saint-Joseph,
> Beyrouth) 6-7, 2006-2007, pp. 5-20.
>
> See also by Kiyotaka Yoshimizu in Bronkhorst ed. 2007, pp. 220-224
>
> https://www.academia.edu/32176020/_Kum?rila_s_Reevaluation_of_the_Sacrifice_and_the_Veda_from_a_Ved?nta_Perspective._
>
> and the book of Elstchinger - Krasser and Taber, *Can the Veda
> speak? Dharmak?rti against M?m??s? exegetics and Vedic authority*,
> Vienna: OAW, 2012.
>
> This is only a few references on the topic, related to PM. The *apauru*
> *?eya*tva of the Veda is also something found with Bhart?hari
> and Man?d?ana Mi?ra (Hugo David is saying that somewhere).
>
>
>
> Le 4 nov. 2019 ? 14:07, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
>
>
> Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are
> "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
>
> I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
>
> Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated
> would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dean
>
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From yogacara at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 16:08:52 2019
From: yogacara at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 11:08:52 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzchOkkmQxpeyXKa4MOVDkDOyBqzs1RY3Q9h8DbE0z2rwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5318E9A9-7241-469C-A8CA-5A66ABFDCC3F@gmail.com>

Additionally,

Kiyotaka Yoshimizu. ?The Intention of Expression (vivak??), the Expounding (vy?khy?) of a Text, and the Authorlessness of the Veda.?
Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft 158, pp. 51-71, 2008.

https://www.academia.edu/32178027/_The_Intention_of_Expression_vivak??_the_Expounding_vy?khy?_of_a_Text_and_the_Authorlessness_of_the_Veda._  

Dan







From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 18:19:36 2019
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 19:19:36 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Earliest English Translation of the Rigveda [Publication Announcement]
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nUMAtx9GvQ-ggnFQRnNjnkq9XyaLxTsCfkGNSQsBWXAzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,



I should like to draw your attention to a new publication in the field of
Vedic studies:



*Alfred Ludwigs englische ?bersetzung des Rigveda (1886?1893)*.

1. Teil: B?cher I?V.

Herausgegeben von Raik Strunz. Preface by Walter Slaje. [Ver?ffentlichungen
der Indologischen Kommission der Akademie der Wissenschaften und der
Literatur, Mainz. 6]. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Publishers 2019. pp. XXXII,
622; 1 Portrait, 1 Image. 78,00 Eur. ISBN: 978-3-447-11306-9



https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Alfred_Ludwigs_englische_%C3%9Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%E2%80%931893)/titel_6441.ahtml



Alfred Ludwig, full professor of comparative linguistics at the then German
University in Prague (born 1832 in Vienna, died 1912 in Prague), was a
pioneer in research pertaining to the Rigveda. He translated the Rigveda
completely into German for the very first time (1876) and was the first to
open up the content of the Rigveda by means of a multi-volume commentary
(1878-1888). The fact that Ludwig, in the aftermath of his German
translation of this important literary document, had also produced an
English translation of the Rigveda between the years 1886 and 1893, which
at the same time proved to be the first scholarly translation into English,
remained entirely unnoticed by the Vedicist and Indological communities.
Ludwig could not publish his completed translation during his lifetime.
Shortly after his death, his handwritten translation was purchased by the
University of Oxford. It was tacitly taken into custody by the Boden
professor at the time, Arthur Anthony Macdonell (1854-1930) and left to the
Max M?ller Memorial Fund in Oxford only after his death.



With Ma??alas I-V, the first half of Ludwig?s English translation of the
Rigveda is now brought to light. The publication of the second half,
containing Ma??alas VI-X, is under preparation.



For all titles in this series, see:

https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml





Kindly regarding,

Walter Slaje


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From prajnapti at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 18:29:09 2019
From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 13:29:09 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Earliest English Translation of the Rigveda [Publication Announcement]
In-Reply-To: <CALoZ1nUMAtx9GvQ-ggnFQRnNjnkq9XyaLxTsCfkGNSQsBWXAzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <516D9777-41C5-40B1-8245-6A7A38EAC8BA@gmail.com>

Dear Prof. Slaje,

Please explain what is meant by ?first scholarly translation into English.? Horace Hayman Wilson?s English translation, which was published in 1866, six years after his death, predates Ludwig?s translation by a couple of decades. It is far from perfect, but it was a serious, pioneering effort.

Dan Lusthaus

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Colleagues,
>  
> I should like to draw your attention to a new publication in the field of Vedic studies:
>  
> Alfred Ludwigs englische ?bersetzung des Rigveda (1886?1893).
> 1. Teil: B?cher I?V.
> Herausgegeben von Raik Strunz. Preface by Walter Slaje. [Ver?ffentlichungen der Indologischen Kommission der Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz. 6]. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Publishers 2019. pp. XXXII, 622; 1 Portrait, 1 Image. 78,00 Eur. ISBN: 978-3-447-11306-9
>  
> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Alfred_Ludwigs_englische_%C3%9Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%E2%80%931893)/titel_6441.ahtml <https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Alfred_Ludwigs_englische_%C3%9Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%E2%80%931893)/titel_6441.ahtml>
>  
> Alfred Ludwig, full professor of comparative linguistics at the then German University in Prague (born 1832 in Vienna, died 1912 in Prague), was a pioneer in research pertaining to the Rigveda. He translated the Rigveda completely into German for the very first time (1876) and was the first to open up the content of the Rigveda by means of a multi-volume commentary (1878-1888). The fact that Ludwig, in the aftermath of his German translation of this important literary document, had also produced an English translation of the Rigveda between the years 1886 and 1893, which at the same time proved to be the first scholarly translation into English, remained entirely unnoticed by the Vedicist and Indological communities. Ludwig could not publish his completed translation during his lifetime. Shortly after his death, his handwritten translation was purchased by the University of Oxford. It was tacitly taken into custody by the Boden professor at the time, Arthur Anthony Macdonell (1854-1930) and left to the Max M?ller Memorial Fund in Oxford only after his death.
>  
> With Ma??alas I-V, the first half of Ludwig?s English translation of the Rigveda is now brought to light. The publication of the second half, containing Ma??alas VI-X, is under preparation.
>  
> For all titles in this series, see:
> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml <https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml>
>  
>  
> Kindly regarding,
> Walter Slaje
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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 18:41:42 2019
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 19:41:42 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Earliest English Translation of the Rigveda [Publication Announcement]
In-Reply-To: <516D9777-41C5-40B1-8245-6A7A38EAC8BA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nUfZkOAJiYnxp8vrBbrsdAo6PvkDxhXTTgzMuWjkQ6nig@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Professor Lusthaus,

the explanation is not difficult to give. As is well-known (at least among
Vedicists), Wilson translated more or less "S?ya?a's" view-point only, but
certainly not the Rigvedic text as such, as his posthumous editors E.B.
Cowell and W. F. Webster readily admit themselves in their respective
introductions. This is also briefly dealt with in my preface to this
volume, but actually, the very fact as such is not new at all. Wilson is
not reckoned among Vedicists in the strict sense, whereas Ludwig certainly
is.

Kindly regarding,
Walter Slaje



Am Mo., 4. Nov. 2019 um 19:29 Uhr schrieb Dan Lusthaus <prajnapti at gmail.com
>:

> Dear Prof. Slaje,
>
> Please explain what is meant by ?first *scholarly* translation into
> English.? Horace Hayman Wilson?s English translation, which was published
> in 1866, six years after his death, predates Ludwig?s translation by a
> couple of decades. It is far from perfect, but it was a serious, pioneering
> effort.
>
> Dan Lusthaus
>
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
> I should like to draw your attention to a new publication in the field of
> Vedic studies:
>
>
> *Alfred Ludwigs englische ?bersetzung des Rigveda (1886?1893)*.
> 1. Teil: B?cher I?V.
> Herausgegeben von Raik Strunz. Preface by Walter Slaje.
> [Ver?ffentlichungen der Indologischen Kommission der Akademie der
> Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz. 6]. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz
> Publishers 2019. pp. XXXII, 622; 1 Portrait, 1 Image. 78,00 Eur. ISBN:
> 978-3-447-11306-9
>
>
>
> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Alfred_Ludwigs_englische_%C3%9Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%E2%80%931893)/titel_6441.ahtml
>
>
> Alfred Ludwig, full professor of comparative linguistics at the then
> German University in Prague (born 1832 in Vienna, died 1912 in Prague), was
> a pioneer in research pertaining to the Rigveda. He translated the Rigveda
> completely into German for the very first time (1876) and was the first to
> open up the content of the Rigveda by means of a multi-volume commentary
> (1878-1888). The fact that Ludwig, in the aftermath of his German
> translation of this important literary document, had also produced an
> English translation of the Rigveda between the years 1886 and 1893, which
> at the same time proved to be the first scholarly translation into English,
> remained entirely unnoticed by the Vedicist and Indological communities.
> Ludwig could not publish his completed translation during his lifetime.
> Shortly after his death, his handwritten translation was purchased by the
> University of Oxford. It was tacitly taken into custody by the Boden
> professor at the time, Arthur Anthony Macdonell (1854-1930) and left to the
> Max M?ller Memorial Fund in Oxford only after his death.
>
>
> With Ma??alas I-V, the first half of Ludwig?s English translation of the
> Rigveda is now brought to light. The publication of the second half,
> containing Ma??alas VI-X, is under preparation.
>
>
> For all titles in this series, see:
> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml
>
>
>
>
> Kindly regarding,
> Walter Slaje
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 18:45:08 2019
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 19:45:08 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Har=E1=B9=A3a_of_Kashmir:_The_portrait_of_a_ruler_from_medieval_India_[Publication_Announcement]?=
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Dear Colleagues,



I should like to draw your attention to a new publication in the field of
historiographic studies [in the German language]:



Theresa Wilke: Har?a von Kaschmir. Ein Herrscherportrait aus dem
mittelalterlichen Indien.

[Har?a of Kashmir: The portrait of a ruler from medieval India].



https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Har%E1%B9%A3a_von_Kaschmir/titel_6440.ahtml





For all titles in this series, see:

https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml





Kindly regarding,

Walter Slaje


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From prajnapti at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 18:50:41 2019
From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 13:50:41 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Earliest English Translation of the Rigveda [Publication Announcement]
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Dear Prof. Slaje,

I am well aware of the opinion held by Vedicists of Wilson?s pioneering effort, and, for the most part, I agree with it. But ?scholarly? has many meanings, one of them being, for instance, taking native sources, even if limited sources, seriously ? rather than imagining meanings with little basis. In that sense, Wilson?s effort, however, flawed, is still scholarly, and deserves to be acknowledged as the first serious effort to present the ?g Veda to an English-reading audience. Additionally, ?first? is a chronological feature, not a matter of esteem. Cutting him out of the ?lineage? strikes me as simply wrong.

I should have been more precise about the dating. The volumes of Wilson?s translation came out over many years, starting in 1850 and continued until posthumously complete (last volume, v.6, 1888). All six volumes are available on google books.

best wishes,
Dan Lusthaus 

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Walter Slaje <walter.slaje at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Professor Lusthaus,
> 
> the explanation is not difficult to give. As is well-known (at least among Vedicists), Wilson translated more or less "S?ya?a's" view-point only, but certainly not the Rigvedic text as such, as his posthumous editors E.B. Cowell and W. F. Webster readily admit themselves in their respective introductions. This is also briefly dealt with in my preface to this volume, but actually, the very fact as such is not new at all. Wilson is not reckoned among Vedicists in the strict sense, whereas Ludwig certainly is.
> 
> Kindly regarding,
> Walter Slaje
> 
> 
> 
> Am Mo., 4. Nov. 2019 um 19:29 Uhr schrieb Dan Lusthaus <prajnapti at gmail.com <mailto:prajnapti at gmail.com>>:
> Dear Prof. Slaje,
> 
> Please explain what is meant by ?first scholarly translation into English.? Horace Hayman Wilson?s English translation, which was published in 1866, six years after his death, predates Ludwig?s translation by a couple of decades. It is far from perfect, but it was a serious, pioneering effort.
> 
> Dan Lusthaus
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>  
>> I should like to draw your attention to a new publication in the field of Vedic studies:
>>  
>> Alfred Ludwigs englische ?bersetzung des Rigveda (1886?1893).
>> 1. Teil: B?cher I?V.
>> Herausgegeben von Raik Strunz. Preface by Walter Slaje. [Ver?ffentlichungen der Indologischen Kommission der Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz. 6]. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Publishers 2019. pp. XXXII, 622; 1 Portrait, 1 Image. 78,00 Eur. ISBN: 978-3-447-11306-9
>>  
>> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Alfred_Ludwigs_englische_%C3%9Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%E2%80%931893)/titel_6441.ahtml <https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Alfred_Ludwigs_englische_%C3%9Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%E2%80%931893)/titel_6441.ahtml>
>>  
>> Alfred Ludwig, full professor of comparative linguistics at the then German University in Prague (born 1832 in Vienna, died 1912 in Prague), was a pioneer in research pertaining to the Rigveda. He translated the Rigveda completely into German for the very first time (1876) and was the first to open up the content of the Rigveda by means of a multi-volume commentary (1878-1888). The fact that Ludwig, in the aftermath of his German translation of this important literary document, had also produced an English translation of the Rigveda between the years 1886 and 1893, which at the same time proved to be the first scholarly translation into English, remained entirely unnoticed by the Vedicist and Indological communities. Ludwig could not publish his completed translation during his lifetime. Shortly after his death, his handwritten translation was purchased by the University of Oxford. It was tacitly taken into custody by the Boden professor at the time, Arthur Anthony Macdonell (1854-1930) and left to the Max M?ller Memorial Fund in Oxford only after his death.
>>  
>> With Ma??alas I-V, the first half of Ludwig?s English translation of the Rigveda is now brought to light. The publication of the second half, containing Ma??alas VI-X, is under preparation.
>>  
>> For all titles in this series, see:
>> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml <https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml>
>>  
>>  
>> Kindly regarding,
>> Walter Slaje
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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 19:02:56 2019
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 20:02:56 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Earliest English Translation of the Rigveda [Publication Announcement]
In-Reply-To: <9CAC78A3-7D7C-4E02-8B93-9723BB51D699@gmail.com>
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 Dear Professor Lusthaus,

I agree with what you say. It was exactly for this reason that I had put
the adjective "scholarly" in the only context of "Rigvedic translations":
"[Ludwig ...] produced an *English translation of the Rigveda* between the
years 1886 and 1893, *which *at the same time *proved to be the first
scholarly translation* into English [...]".
Translating "S?ya?a's" interpretation from classical Sanskrit is an
admirable achievement in itself. But it is different from a Rigveda
translation. I do not doubt Wilson will retain his esteem in this very
lineage quite as demanded by you and of course as deserved.

Kind regards,
WS


Am Mo., 4. Nov. 2019 um 19:50 Uhr schrieb Dan Lusthaus <prajnapti at gmail.com
>:

> Dear Prof. Slaje,
>
> I am well aware of the opinion held by Vedicists of Wilson?s pioneering
> effort, and, for the most part, I agree with it. But ?scholarly? has many
> meanings, one of them being, for instance, taking native sources, even if
> limited sources, seriously ? rather than imagining meanings with little
> basis. In that sense, Wilson?s effort, however, flawed, is still scholarly,
> and deserves to be acknowledged as the first serious effort to present the
> ?g Veda to an English-reading audience. Additionally, ?first? is a
> chronological feature, not a matter of esteem. Cutting him out of the
> ?lineage? strikes me as simply wrong.
>
> I should have been more precise about the dating. The volumes of Wilson?s
> translation came out over many years, starting in 1850 and continued until
> posthumously complete (last volume, v.6, 1888). All six volumes are
> available on google books.
>
> best wishes,
> Dan Lusthaus
>
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Walter Slaje <walter.slaje at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Professor Lusthaus,
>
> the explanation is not difficult to give. As is well-known (at least among
> Vedicists), Wilson translated more or less "S?ya?a's" view-point only, but
> certainly not the Rigvedic text as such, as his posthumous editors E.B.
> Cowell and W. F. Webster readily admit themselves in their respective
> introductions. This is also briefly dealt with in my preface to this
> volume, but actually, the very fact as such is not new at all. Wilson is
> not reckoned among Vedicists in the strict sense, whereas Ludwig certainly
> is.
>
> Kindly regarding,
> Walter Slaje
>
>
>
> Am Mo., 4. Nov. 2019 um 19:29 Uhr schrieb Dan Lusthaus <
> prajnapti at gmail.com>:
>
>> Dear Prof. Slaje,
>>
>> Please explain what is meant by ?first *scholarly* translation into
>> English.? Horace Hayman Wilson?s English translation, which was published
>> in 1866, six years after his death, predates Ludwig?s translation by a
>> couple of decades. It is far from perfect, but it was a serious, pioneering
>> effort.
>>
>> Dan Lusthaus
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>
>> I should like to draw your attention to a new publication in the field of
>> Vedic studies:
>>
>>
>> *Alfred Ludwigs englische ?bersetzung des Rigveda (1886?1893)*.
>> 1. Teil: B?cher I?V.
>> Herausgegeben von Raik Strunz. Preface by Walter Slaje.
>> [Ver?ffentlichungen der Indologischen Kommission der Akademie der
>> Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz. 6]. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz
>> Publishers 2019. pp. XXXII, 622; 1 Portrait, 1 Image. 78,00 Eur. ISBN:
>> 978-3-447-11306-9
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Alfred_Ludwigs_englische_%C3%9Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%E2%80%931893)/titel_6441.ahtml
>>
>>
>> Alfred Ludwig, full professor of comparative linguistics at the then
>> German University in Prague (born 1832 in Vienna, died 1912 in Prague), was
>> a pioneer in research pertaining to the Rigveda. He translated the Rigveda
>> completely into German for the very first time (1876) and was the first to
>> open up the content of the Rigveda by means of a multi-volume commentary
>> (1878-1888). The fact that Ludwig, in the aftermath of his German
>> translation of this important literary document, had also produced an
>> English translation of the Rigveda between the years 1886 and 1893, which
>> at the same time proved to be the first scholarly translation into English,
>> remained entirely unnoticed by the Vedicist and Indological communities.
>> Ludwig could not publish his completed translation during his lifetime.
>> Shortly after his death, his handwritten translation was purchased by the
>> University of Oxford. It was tacitly taken into custody by the Boden
>> professor at the time, Arthur Anthony Macdonell (1854-1930) and left to the
>> Max M?ller Memorial Fund in Oxford only after his death.
>>
>>
>> With Ma??alas I-V, the first half of Ludwig?s English translation of the
>> Rigveda is now brought to light. The publication of the second half,
>> containing Ma??alas VI-X, is under preparation.
>>
>>
>> For all titles in this series, see:
>> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kindly regarding,
>> Walter Slaje
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 19:08:12 2019
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 20:08:12 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Mok=E1=B9=A3op=C4=81ya_Nirv=C4=81=E1=B9=87aprakara=E1=B9=87a_Part_2,_Sargas_120-252_[Publication_Announcement]?=
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Dear Colleagues,



I should like to draw your attention to a new publication in the field of
*Mok?op?ya* studies:



Mok?op?ya - Textedition, Teil 6, Das Sechste Buch: Nirv??aprakara?a. 2.
Teil: Kapitel 120?252. Kritische Edition von Susanne Krause-Stinner und
Anett Krause unter Mitwirkung von Peter Stephan. [Ver?ffentlichungen der
Indologischen Kommission der Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur,
Mainz]. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz 2019. pp. LIV, 540. 1 Image. 128,-- EUR.
ISBN: 978-3-447-11206-2


https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Mok%E1%B9%A3op%C4%81ya_-_Textedition_Teil_6_Das_Sechste_Buch:_Nirv%C4%81%E1%B9%87apraka
ra%E1%B9%87a._2._Teil:_Kapitel_120%E2%80%93252/titel_5843.ahtml



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From BrodbeckSP at cardiff.ac.uk  Mon Nov  4 21:45:22 2019
From: BrodbeckSP at cardiff.ac.uk (Simon Brodbeck)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 21:45:22 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Earliest English Translation of the Rigveda [Publication Announcement]
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Dear Professor Slaje,

An observation from the perspective of translation studies, if I may. Unless I am misunderstanding the situation, this most welcome publication is apparently aimed at an audience that reads German and English with equal facility. But then, since Ludwig's English translation was produced after his publication of a German translation of the same text, doesn't the target audience of this new publication seem to be a rather different audience than the one for which Ludwig's English translation was originally intended? Since now, more than a hundred years later, we have the English translation of Jamison and Brereton for the use of those who do not read German, is the new publication anticipated to be primarily of antiquarian interest? Is that the reason for its being aimed at a polyglot audience? Since those who do not read German were presumably the originally intended audience of Ludwig's English translation (and since there was an appetite for the Jamison and Brereton translation, notwithstanding recent translations of this text into German), might we perhaps look forward to a future version of this publication aimed at a similar kind of audience? Or is it thought that there will not be such an audience for such an old piece of work? I understand that you are not the publisher, but nonetheless I would be interested to hear your thoughts on these issues.

Yours collegially,
Simon Brodbeck
Cardiff University

________________________________


On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote
Dear Colleagues,



I should like to draw your attention to a new publication in the field of Vedic studies:



Alfred Ludwigs englische ?bersetzung des Rigveda (1886?1893).
1. Teil: B?cher I?V.
Herausgegeben von Raik Strunz. Preface by Walter Slaje. [Ver?ffentlichungen der Indologischen Kommission der Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz. 6]. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Publishers 2019. pp. XXXII, 622; 1 Portrait, 1 Image. 78,00 Eur. ISBN: 978-3-447-11306-9



https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Alfred_Ludwigs_englische_%C3%9Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%E2%80%931893)/titel_6441.ahtml<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harrassowitz-verlag.de%2FAlfred_Ludwigs_englische_%25C3%259Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%25E2%2580%25931893)%2Ftitel_6441.ahtml&data=01%7C01%7Cbrodbecksp%40cardiff.ac.uk%7C00829a39ec9241ab886c08d76159caab%7Cbdb74b3095684856bdbf06759778fcbc%7C1&sdata=RNEw3eNF0J5JEd3q%2BnQdt04iimyzScwtHZAenxBa6tE%3D&reserved=0>



Alfred Ludwig, full professor of comparative linguistics at the then German University in Prague (born 1832 in Vienna, died 1912 in Prague), was a pioneer in research pertaining to the Rigveda. He translated the Rigveda completely into German for the very first time (1876) and was the first to open up the content of the Rigveda by means of a multi-volume commentary (1878-1888). The fact that Ludwig, in the aftermath of his German translation of this important literary document, had also produced an English translation of the Rigveda between the years 1886 and 1893, which at the same time proved to be the first scholarly translation into English, remained entirely unnoticed by the Vedicist and Indological communities. Ludwig could not publish his completed translation during his lifetime. Shortly after his death, his handwritten translation was purchased by the University of Oxford. It was tacitly taken into custody by the Boden professor at the time, Arthur Anthony Macdonell (1854-1930) and left to the Max M?ller Memorial Fund in Oxford only after his death.



With Ma??alas I-V, the first half of Ludwig?s English translation of the Rigveda is now brought to light. The publication of the second half, containing Ma??alas VI-X, is under preparation.



For all titles in this series, see:
https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harrassowitz-verlag.de%2Freihenwerk_455.ahtml&data=01%7C01%7Cbrodbecksp%40cardiff.ac.uk%7C00829a39ec9241ab886c08d76159caab%7Cbdb74b3095684856bdbf06759778fcbc%7C1&sdata=G7DsZk9%2FfIq06pQ7VUd4pZfvXlqj8ytWmpSWmLB8Fow%3D&reserved=0>





Kindly regarding,
Walter Slaje
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From walter.slaje at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 22:30:52 2019
From: walter.slaje at gmail.com (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 19 23:30:52 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Earliest English Translation of the Rigveda [Publication Announcement]
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Dear Professor Brodbeck,



Ludwig?s English translation was completed between ten and seventeen years
after his German translation of the Rigveda. During this time, the progress
achieved in Rigvedic studies was substantial, and this includes the
research carried out by Ludwig himself.

Thus, his English version is supposed to outdate his earlier German one of
course. Its posthumous publication is therefore predominantly though not
exclusively of ?antiquarian? interest for the English speaking audience as
it makes Ludwig's historical pioneering achievement visible and verifiable.
It can now be consulted for the first time, which was not the case before
its publication.

In quite a number of respects, Ludwig?s translation may - and naturally
will - prove to be obsolete. However, an age of more than 100 years is not
a sufficient basis to earn accurate translations exacted with the precision
of 19th century philologists the overall predicate of being "hopelessly
outdated".

Everyone can now vet and form a judgement themselves. Frankly, I see no
reason why the publication of an important document in the field of the
history of Indological studies, the existence of which was overlooked until
this date, needs to be justified or even defended.


It is therefore that I politely suggest that whoever is further interested
in this matter kindly dedicate themselves to the edition ? published at a
very moderate price given its volume -, in which the necessary information
can be found.



Warm regards,

Walter Slaje



Am Mo., 4. Nov. 2019 um 22:45 Uhr schrieb Simon Brodbeck <
BrodbeckSP at cardiff.ac.uk>:

> Dear Professor Slaje,
>
> An observation from the perspective of translation studies, if I may.
> Unless I am misunderstanding the situation, this most welcome publication
> is apparently aimed at an audience that reads German and English with equal
> facility. But then, since Ludwig's English translation was produced *after
> *his publication of a German translation of the same text, doesn't the
> target audience of this new publication seem to be a rather different
> audience than the one for which Ludwig's English translation was originally
> intended? Since now, more than a hundred years later, we have the English
> translation of Jamison and Brereton for the use of those who do not read
> German, is the new publication anticipated to be primarily of antiquarian
> interest? Is that the reason for its being aimed at a polyglot audience?
> Since those who do not read German were presumably the originally intended
> audience of Ludwig's English translation (and since there was an appetite
> for the Jamison and Brereton translation, notwithstanding recent
> translations of this text into German), might we perhaps look forward to a
> future version of this publication aimed at a similar kind of audience? Or
> is it thought that there will not be such an audience for such an old piece
> of work? I understand that you are not the publisher, but nonetheless I
> would be interested to hear your thoughts on these issues.
>
> Yours collegially,
> Simon Brodbeck
> Cardiff University
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
> I should like to draw your attention to a new publication in the field of
> Vedic studies:
>
>
> *Alfred Ludwigs englische ?bersetzung des Rigveda (1886?1893)*.
> 1. Teil: B?cher I?V.
> Herausgegeben von Raik Strunz. Preface by Walter Slaje.
> [Ver?ffentlichungen der Indologischen Kommission der Akademie der
> Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz. 6]. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz
> Publishers 2019. pp. XXXII, 622; 1 Portrait, 1 Image. 78,00 Eur. ISBN:
> 978-3-447-11306-9
>
>
>
> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Alfred_Ludwigs_englische_%C3%9Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%E2%80%931893)/titel_6441.ahtml
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harrassowitz-verlag.de%2FAlfred_Ludwigs_englische_%25C3%259Cbersetzung_des_Rigveda_(1886%25E2%2580%25931893)%2Ftitel_6441.ahtml&data=01%7C01%7Cbrodbecksp%40cardiff.ac.uk%7C00829a39ec9241ab886c08d76159caab%7Cbdb74b3095684856bdbf06759778fcbc%7C1&sdata=RNEw3eNF0J5JEd3q%2BnQdt04iimyzScwtHZAenxBa6tE%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
> Alfred Ludwig, full professor of comparative linguistics at the then
> German University in Prague (born 1832 in Vienna, died 1912 in Prague), was
> a pioneer in research pertaining to the Rigveda. He translated the Rigveda
> completely into German for the very first time (1876) and was the first to
> open up the content of the Rigveda by means of a multi-volume commentary
> (1878-1888). The fact that Ludwig, in the aftermath of his German
> translation of this important literary document, had also produced an
> English translation of the Rigveda between the years 1886 and 1893, which
> at the same time proved to be the first scholarly translation into English,
> remained entirely unnoticed by the Vedicist and Indological communities.
> Ludwig could not publish his completed translation during his lifetime.
> Shortly after his death, his handwritten translation was purchased by the
> University of Oxford. It was tacitly taken into custody by the Boden
> professor at the time, Arthur Anthony Macdonell (1854-1930) and left to the
> Max M?ller Memorial Fund in Oxford only after his death.
>
>
> With Ma??alas I-V, the first half of Ludwig?s English translation of the
> Rigveda is now brought to light. The publication of the second half,
> containing Ma??alas VI-X, is under preparation.
>
>
> For all titles in this series, see:
> https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/reihenwerk_455.ahtml
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From aprigliano at usp.br  Tue Nov  5 08:20:33 2019
From: aprigliano at usp.br (Adriano Aprigliano)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 19 05:20:33 -0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Non being
Message-ID: <CAHfOVEBm7yzVyHdXdmsbnp5_OYxjcY4gUmAR_t3D1quivb-BVg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

Could you recommend studies on the concept of non being in Indian
Philosophy?
B.w.
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From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 19 09:27:15 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Non being
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BrahmaSutra by Vadarayana, or a commentary on BrahmaSutra by Shankaracharya, can be useful reading.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Alakendu Das&nbsp;

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Dear colleagues,
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Tue Nov  5 09:27:57 2019
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 19 09:27:57 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Non being
In-Reply-To: <CAHfOVEBm7yzVyHdXdmsbnp5_OYxjcY4gUmAR_t3D1quivb-BVg@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Adriano,

The issue tends to be diffused through discussions of topics such as anupalabdhi and abhAva, so there is quite a lot inter alia in works on Indian epistemology (e.g., Matilal's Perception). See, for instance, Dhirendra Sharma, EPISTEMOLOGICAL NEGATIVE DIALECTICS OF INDIAN LOGIC ? "ABH?VA" VERSUS "ANUPALABDHI":
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24650177?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

A recent volume that may be helpful to you is:
https://www.routledge.com/Nothingness-in-Asian-Philosophy-1st-Edition/Liu-Berger/p/book/9780415829441

good luck,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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Dear colleagues,

Could you recommend studies on the concept of non being in Indian Philosophy?
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From aprigliano at usp.br  Tue Nov  5 10:06:56 2019
From: aprigliano at usp.br (Adriano Aprigliano)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 19 07:06:56 -0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Non being
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Thank you, Matthew,

I'll take a look on those.
B.w.
Adriano




Em ter, 5 de nov de 2019 06:27, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
escreveu:

> Dear Adriano,
>
> The issue tends to be diffused through discussions of topics such as
> anupalabdhi and abhAva, so there is quite a lot inter alia in works on
> Indian epistemology (e.g., Matilal's Perception). See, for instance,
> Dhirendra Sharma, EPISTEMOLOGICAL NEGATIVE DIALECTICS OF INDIAN LOGIC ?
> "ABH?VA" VERSUS "ANUPALABDHI":
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/24650177?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>
> A recent volume that may be helpful to you is:
>
> https://www.routledge.com/Nothingness-in-Asian-Philosophy-1st-Edition/Liu-Berger/p/book/9780415829441
>
> good luck,
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Adriano Aprigliano via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 5, 2019 2:20 AM
> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Non being
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> Could you recommend studies on the concept of non being in Indian
> Philosophy?
> B.w.
> Adriano Aprigliano
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From elisa.freschi at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 14:23:17 2019
From: elisa.freschi at gmail.com (Elisa Freschi)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 19 15:23:17 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Non being
In-Reply-To: <CAHfOVEBiSaOt8hOAYY6qq2hO6Bhsz6QzM4MEgRFCWPDrF31wvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEYKMacDRc6i+Ucono8od8M0_tNjmEp2poddd6BAJwamBkMGSg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Adriano,

a couple of suggestions:

1) Negation (book)
Publisher
Indian Studies Past and Present
Year
1965
Author
Bhattacharyya, Janaki Vallabha
Address
Calcutta

2) Appendix in: Denying existence : the logic, epistemology, and pragmatics
of negative existentials and fictional discourse (book)
Publisher
Kluwer
Year
1997
Author
Chakrabarti, Arindam
Address
Dordrecht

3) No Black Scorpion is Falling: An Onto-Epistemic Analysis of Absence
(article)
Author
Guha, Nirmalya
Journal
Journal of Indian Philosophy
Year
2013
Volume
41
Pages
111--131

4) There are no pots in the ?lokav?rttika. Kum?rila's definition of the
abh?vapram??a and patterns of negative cognition in Indian Philosophy
(article)
Author
Kellner, Birgit
Journal
Journal of the Oriental Institute
Year
1996
Volume
46
Number
3--4
Pages
143--167

5) Nichts bleibt Nichts : die buddhistische Zur?ckweisung von Kum?rilas
Abh?vapram??a : ?bersetzung und Interpretation von ??ntarak?itas
Tattvasa?graha vv. 1647-1690, mit Kamala??las Tattvasa?grahapa?jik?, sowie
Ans?tze und Arbeitshypothesen zur Geschichte negativer Erkenntnis in der
indischen Philosophie (book)
Year
1997
Author
Kellner, Birgit,

6) Much Ado about Nothing: Kum?rila, ??ntarak?ita, and Dharmak?rti on the
Cognition of Non-Being (article)
Author
Taber, John
Journal
Journal of the American Oriental Society
Year
2001
Volume
121
Number
1
Pages
72-88

7) Si parva licet componere magnis, I also published a couple of articles
on abh?vapram??a  (available here
<https://www.academia.edu/3506526/Abh%C4%81vapram%C4%81%E1%B9%87a_and_error_in_Kum%C4%81rilas_commentators>
and here
<https://www.academia.edu/210530/Facing_the_Boundaries_of_Epistemology_Kum%C4%81rila_on_Error_and_Negative_Cognition>
and here
<https://www.academia.edu/3506548/What_is_the_reality_of_an_illusion_Kum%C4%81rila_Bha%E1%B9%AD%E1%B9%ADas_answer>
(in Italian)).

Good luck with your research!

elisa

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 11:07, Adriano Aprigliano via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Thank you, Matthew,
>
> I'll take a look on those.
> B.w.
> Adriano
>
>
>
>
> Em ter, 5 de nov de 2019 06:27, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> escreveu:
>
>> Dear Adriano,
>>
>> The issue tends to be diffused through discussions of topics such as
>> anupalabdhi and abhAva, so there is quite a lot inter alia in works on
>> Indian epistemology (e.g., Matilal's Perception). See, for instance,
>> Dhirendra Sharma, EPISTEMOLOGICAL NEGATIVE DIALECTICS OF INDIAN LOGIC ?
>> "ABH?VA" VERSUS "ANUPALABDHI":
>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/24650177?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>>
>> A recent volume that may be helpful to you is:
>>
>> https://www.routledge.com/Nothingness-in-Asian-Philosophy-1st-Edition/Liu-Berger/p/book/9780415829441
>>
>> good luck,
>> Matthew
>>
>> Matthew Kapstein
>> Directeur d'?tudes,
>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>>
>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>> The University of Chicago
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>> Adriano Aprigliano via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 5, 2019 2:20 AM
>> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Non being
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> Could you recommend studies on the concept of non being in Indian
>> Philosophy?
>> B.w.
>> Adriano Aprigliano
>>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 20:04:22 2019
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 19 13:04:22 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: ECSAS 2020 in Vienna: CFP for "Vernacular Literature, Migrant Experience and Resettlement in South Asian Cities"
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From: Nicola Pozza <nicola.pozza at unil.ch>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 11:45
Subject: ECSAS 2020 in Vienna: CFP for "Vernacular Literature, Migrant
Experience and Resettlement in South Asian Cities"
To: indology-owner at list.indology.info <indology-owner at list.indology.info>


Dear Colleagues,

Prof. Sadan Jha (CSS, Surat) and I cordially invite you to submit an
abstract for our panel at the next ECSAS to be held in Vienna, from 29 July
to 1 August 2020. You will find below the title and abstract of our panel.
You can also find it and submit your paper proposal on the following page:
https://ecsas2020.univie.ac.at/panels/htty6/
<https://ecsas2020.univie.ac.at/panels/iu8uk/>. The submission instructions
are available here:
https://ecsas2020.univie.ac.at/paper-submission-guidelines/. The deadline
is *November 17, 2019*.

If you have any question, please feel free to write to Prof. Sadan Jha (
sadanjha at gmail.com) or myself (nicola.pozza at unil.ch). We will be glad to
answer your question or read your proposal.

Looking forward to reading or seeing some of you next year in Vienna.

Nicola Pozza

Vernacular Literature, Migrant Experience and Resettlement in South Asian
Cities

This panel invites papers which explore literary approaches to migration,
dislocation and resettlement in the megacities of South Asia. The panel is
particularly interested in fictions and autobiographical narratives in
vernacular languages and coming from the post Emergency period.
id: htty6
Convenors:
*? Nicola Pozza* *University of Lausanne (Lausanne, Switzerland)*
*? Prof. Sadan Jha* *Centre for Social Studies (Surat, India)*
------------------------------
Long Abstract

Migration from villages and small towns to megacities is a crucial aspect
of contemporary South Asia. Leaving aside sociological, political or
economic perspectives, this panel aims at analysing migrant experiences
through the lens of fictional and autobiographical narratives. Besides its
rarity, by privileging the literary, we intend to engage with the
subjectivities, detailed profiling of migrant characters and their lives.
We wish to anchor upon fictional and autobiographical narratives or
experiential writings from vernacular languages, primarily but not
exclusively Hindi. As number of studies dealing with migration and
resettlement have centred around the Partition of India, this panel invites
contributors to chart a relatively ignored period: post Emergency phase of
the contemporary. This panel aims at bringing into conversation scholars
interested in themes such as (though not restricted to) expectations and
aspirations of migrants; effects of dislocation on their everyday life;
negotiation of social, religious and economic identity in the new urban
setting; ways of dealing with the notion of ?informality? in literature;
migrant ?production of space? (Lefebvre); representation of life in
megacities; literary strategies adopted by narrators; literary construction
of events, subjectivities and approaches to urban experiences of migration.
Papers creatively mobilising inter-disciplinary perspectives and methods
(i.e. combining anthropological and literary methods) are particularly
invited. While this panel will focus on Indian megacities and Hindi
literature, contributions that engage with other South Asian megapolis and
other languages are also welcome.
<https://whav2.aussereurop.univie.ac.at/papersubmission/submit/htty6>

*****
Dr Nicola Pozza
Senior Lecturer (Hindi, Indology)
Faculty of Arts
Department of Slavic and South Asian Studies (SLAS)
UNIL-Chamberonne
Anthropole
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Switzerland

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From aprigliano at usp.br  Wed Nov  6 09:59:00 2019
From: aprigliano at usp.br (Adriano Aprigliano)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 19 06:59:00 -0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Non being
In-Reply-To: <CAEYKMacDRc6i+Ucono8od8M0_tNjmEp2poddd6BAJwamBkMGSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHfOVEDamNrULWcV_kh11qBqUzLGtyWgPobuxAyq-DheYH7rWg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Deven and Elisa, for the excelent suggestions.
b.e.
Adriano



Prof. Dr. Adriano Aprigliano
L?ngua e Literatura Latina
DLCV FFLCH USP
Gabinete 30, tel.: 3091 2065
Av. Prof. Luciano Gualberto, 403 CEP: 05508-900
Cidade Universit?ria, S?o Paulo - SP / Brasil


Em ter, 5 de nov de 2019 ?s 11:23, Elisa Freschi <elisa.freschi at gmail.com>
escreveu:

> Dear Adriano,
>
> a couple of suggestions:
>
> 1) Negation (book)
> Publisher
> Indian Studies Past and Present
> Year
> 1965
> Author
> Bhattacharyya, Janaki Vallabha
> Address
> Calcutta
>
> 2) Appendix in: Denying existence : the logic, epistemology, and
> pragmatics of negative existentials and fictional discourse (book)
> Publisher
> Kluwer
> Year
> 1997
> Author
> Chakrabarti, Arindam
> Address
> Dordrecht
>
> 3) No Black Scorpion is Falling: An Onto-Epistemic Analysis of Absence
> (article)
> Author
> Guha, Nirmalya
> Journal
> Journal of Indian Philosophy
> Year
> 2013
> Volume
> 41
> Pages
> 111--131
>
> 4) There are no pots in the ?lokav?rttika. Kum?rila's definition of the
> abh?vapram??a and patterns of negative cognition in Indian Philosophy
> (article)
> Author
> Kellner, Birgit
> Journal
> Journal of the Oriental Institute
> Year
> 1996
> Volume
> 46
> Number
> 3--4
> Pages
> 143--167
>
> 5) Nichts bleibt Nichts : die buddhistische Zur?ckweisung von Kum?rilas
> Abh?vapram??a : ?bersetzung und Interpretation von ??ntarak?itas
> Tattvasa?graha vv. 1647-1690, mit Kamala??las Tattvasa?grahapa?jik?, sowie
> Ans?tze und Arbeitshypothesen zur Geschichte negativer Erkenntnis in der
> indischen Philosophie (book)
> Year
> 1997
> Author
> Kellner, Birgit,
>
> 6) Much Ado about Nothing: Kum?rila, ??ntarak?ita, and Dharmak?rti on the
> Cognition of Non-Being (article)
> Author
> Taber, John
> Journal
> Journal of the American Oriental Society
> Year
> 2001
> Volume
> 121
> Number
> 1
> Pages
> 72-88
>
> 7) Si parva licet componere magnis, I also published a couple of articles
> on abh?vapram??a  (available here
> <https://www.academia.edu/3506526/Abh%C4%81vapram%C4%81%E1%B9%87a_and_error_in_Kum%C4%81rilas_commentators>
> and here
> <https://www.academia.edu/210530/Facing_the_Boundaries_of_Epistemology_Kum%C4%81rila_on_Error_and_Negative_Cognition>
> and here
> <https://www.academia.edu/3506548/What_is_the_reality_of_an_illusion_Kum%C4%81rila_Bha%E1%B9%AD%E1%B9%ADas_answer>
> (in Italian)).
>
> Good luck with your research!
>
> elisa
>
> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 11:07, Adriano Aprigliano via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Matthew,
>>
>> I'll take a look on those.
>> B.w.
>> Adriano
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em ter, 5 de nov de 2019 06:27, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> Dear Adriano,
>>>
>>> The issue tends to be diffused through discussions of topics such as
>>> anupalabdhi and abhAva, so there is quite a lot inter alia in works on
>>> Indian epistemology (e.g., Matilal's Perception). See, for instance,
>>> Dhirendra Sharma, EPISTEMOLOGICAL NEGATIVE DIALECTICS OF INDIAN LOGIC ?
>>> "ABH?VA" VERSUS "ANUPALABDHI":
>>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/24650177?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>>>
>>> A recent volume that may be helpful to you is:
>>>
>>> https://www.routledge.com/Nothingness-in-Asian-Philosophy-1st-Edition/Liu-Berger/p/book/9780415829441
>>>
>>> good luck,
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> Matthew Kapstein
>>> Directeur d'?tudes,
>>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>>>
>>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>>> The University of Chicago
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>>> Adriano Aprigliano via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 5, 2019 2:20 AM
>>> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Non being
>>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> Could you recommend studies on the concept of non being in Indian
>>> Philosophy?
>>> B.w.
>>> Adriano Aprigliano
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
> --
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>
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> Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia
> Austrian Academy of Sciences
> Hollandstra?e 11-13, 2nd floor
> 1020 Vienna, Austria
> Phone ++43 (0)1 51581 6433
> Fax ++43 (0)1 51581 6410
>
>
> (Fri to Tue)
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> University of Vienna
> Spitalgasse 2, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1
> 1090 Vienna, Austria
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>
> http://elisafreschi.com
> http://oeaw.academia.edu/elisafreschi
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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 13:35:03 2019
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 19 19:05:03 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
In-Reply-To: <1716341576.517125.1572872823621@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoCsLfzneiqS2CTKr=Uf+bTAiFsBiF2FV9eL2uJfKYnKog@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dean,
Some quick notes in reaction to your query:
It is a widely accepted clich? that "the Vedas are eternal and apauru?eya"
and another clich?, equally widely accepted by both traditional and modern,
Indian and non-Indian, scholars is that this is essentially (!) THE Indian
view on the Vedas. At some point in time, indeed, the "irrational" view of
the nitya and apauru?eya Veda became dominant, and the theory of elevated
but basically "human" authors disappeared from view in "orthodox" circles
(just as the view of an originally basically "human" Jesus Christ advocated
by Arius made in the course of time place for more "irrational" positions
such as Trinitarianism which implies the an?dinidhanam divinity of Jesus in
Christianity?). This means there was an earlier time that the view of a
nitya and apauru?eya Veda was not dominant or evident. Even if we limit
ourselves to the six so-called "orthodox" schools of Indian philosophy we
find that widely divergent views were held about the nature and (extent of)
authoritativeness of the Vedas -- and on the question whether the Vedic
texts had or did not have authors: S??khya is severely critical of the
Vedas and Vedic ritual (Houben 1999); Ny?ya makes efforts to prove that the
Veda is not apauru?eya but pauru?eya: deriving from a Puru?a, namely God
(Chemparathy 1983); the school of Aitih?sika interpretation of the Rgveda
did not survive but interpreted the subject matter of hymns often in terms
of references to human or divine,?historical? personalities (E. Sieg 1902).
Not much of their views is preserved, but it is likely that the authors of
the hymns were also regarded as ?historical? personalities; in Vai?e?ika,
although theism overtook later on, there is no early systematic commitment
even to God but to the ??is and their knowledge (even Pra?astap?da accepts,
apart from pratyak?a, lai?gika and sm?ti, only ?r?a as another category of
reliable knowledge, vidy?, in contradistinction to four forms of avidy?)
>From Vai?e?ika-s?tra (VS)6.1.1 buddhip?rv? v?kyak?tir vede we can infer the
position that the composition of Vedic texts is preceded by thinking, and
hence a creation by individuals, esp. the seers, although Candr?nanda?s
commentary forcefully tries to interpret the plural as honorific and the
reference to the author of the Veda as a reference to Mahe?vara (Houben
2019, pp. 198-199); in the system of Yoga (Yoga-s?tra etc.) the Veda and
God have marginal roles, as for the latter i.a. in an optional way to the
ultimate Yogic goal (A. Nugteren, God as an alternative, Leuven, Apeldoorn:
Garant, 1991). Hence, we are left with only P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta as
fully and originally committed to the Vedas as sources of ultimate
knowledge, an irrational position which M?m??sakas such as Kum?rila
brilliantly tried to defend rationally by arguing for a nitya and
apauru?eya Veda. Somewhere in Alexis Pinchard?s Les langues de sagesse dans
la Gr?ce et l?Inde anciennes (2009, based on a thesis defended in 2005) the
author describes how there is an 'inflation' in the sacred status of Vedic
and Sanskrit, an ?inflation? that can be easily traced back to its earlier
stages. At first, the ?secret names or footsteps of the cows? are preserved
in ?human? hymns addressed to the gods. Subsequently, the entire ?human?
hymns, skillfully composed by trained poets, acquire the status of divine
texts which through their metre etc. are demarcated from all other language
use, including the comments and explanations of difficulties associated
with these divine texts. The next stage is the acquisition of divine status
of both the hymns and their explanations, the stage reflected in the dictum
mantra-br?hma?ayor veda-n?madheyam ?Mantras and Br?hma?as have the
designation ?Veda? ? (?pastamba ?rauta-s?tra 24.1.31). The auxiliary
disciplines such as grammar, etc., which develop in order to bridge the
increasing distance between the language of the Veda and even the polished
language of daily life, are the next candidates to receive divine status;
the last observed stage is the attribution of divine status not only to
Vedic literature and its auxiliary disciplines but to the entire Sanskrit
language, a view which we find already clearly formulated by the 5th
century grammarian-philosopher Bhart?hari, but which remained in his time
far from uncontested (Houben 1996b). This does not detract from the de
facto role of classical Sanskrit as a language to the co-production of
which Buddhists contributed importantly, a philosophical and literary
lingua franca (Houben 2018 ?Linguistic Paradox and Diglossia?).
Best,
Jan Houben

On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:37, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.
>
> Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are
> "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
>
> I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
>
> Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated
> would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dean
>
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*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Wed Nov  6 13:53:00 2019
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 19 13:53:00 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
In-Reply-To: <CAGCGLoCsLfzneiqS2CTKr=Uf+bTAiFsBiF2FV9eL2uJfKYnKog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <942A9E3B-B7FC-4839-948E-20FA9B8778AF@austin.utexas.edu>

Just to add to Jan?s excellent synopsis, Jan?s statement about "only P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta? were committed to the apauru?eya view can be supplemented by bringing in Dharma??stra, which was also generally committed to this view. And the broader acceptance of it during the medieval period may have been due to the extraordinary influence of this literary and scientific tradition on the general ?Hindu? views.

Patrick



On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear Dean,
Some quick notes in reaction to your query:
It is a widely accepted clich? that "the Vedas are eternal and apauru?eya" and another clich?, equally widely accepted by both traditional and modern, Indian and non-Indian, scholars is that this is essentially (!) THE Indian view on the Vedas. At some point in time, indeed, the "irrational" view of the nitya and apauru?eya Veda became dominant, and the theory of elevated but basically "human" authors disappeared from view in "orthodox" circles (just as the view of an originally basically "human" Jesus Christ advocated by Arius made in the course of time place for more "irrational" positions such as Trinitarianism which implies the an?dinidhanam divinity of Jesus in Christianity?). This means there was an earlier time that the view of a nitya and apauru?eya Veda was not dominant or evident. Even if we limit ourselves to the six so-called "orthodox" schools of Indian philosophy we find that widely divergent views were held about the nature and (extent of) authoritativeness of the Vedas -- and on the question whether the Vedic texts had or did not have authors: S??khya is severely critical of the Vedas and Vedic ritual (Houben 1999); Ny?ya makes efforts to prove that the Veda is not apauru?eya but pauru?eya: deriving from a Puru?a, namely God (Chemparathy 1983); the school of Aitih?sika interpretation of the Rgveda did not survive but interpreted the subject matter of hymns often in terms of references to human or divine,?historical? personalities (E. Sieg 1902). Not much of their views is preserved, but it is likely that the authors of the hymns were also regarded as ?historical? personalities; in Vai?e?ika, although theism overtook later on, there is no early systematic commitment even to God but to the ??is and their knowledge (even Pra?astap?da accepts, apart from pratyak?a, lai?gika and sm?ti, only ?r?a as another category of reliable knowledge, vidy?, in contradistinction to four forms of avidy?) From Vai?e?ika-s?tra (VS)6.1.1 buddhip?rv? v?kyak?tir vede we can infer the position that the composition of Vedic texts is preceded by thinking, and hence a creation by individuals, esp. the seers, although Candr?nanda?s commentary forcefully tries to interpret the plural as honorific and the reference to the author of the Veda as a reference to Mahe?vara (Houben 2019, pp. 198-199); in the system of Yoga (Yoga-s?tra etc.) the Veda and God have marginal roles, as for the latter i.a. in an optional way to the ultimate Yogic goal (A. Nugteren, God as an alternative, Leuven, Apeldoorn: Garant, 1991). Hence, we are left with only P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta as fully and originally committed to the Vedas as sources of ultimate knowledge, an irrational position which M?m??sakas such as Kum?rila brilliantly tried to defend rationally by arguing for a nitya and apauru?eya Veda. Somewhere in Alexis Pinchard?s Les langues de sagesse dans la Gr?ce et l?Inde anciennes (2009, based on a thesis defended in 2005) the author describes how there is an 'inflation' in the sacred status of Vedic and Sanskrit, an ?inflation? that can be easily traced back to its earlier stages. At first, the ?secret names or footsteps of the cows? are preserved in ?human? hymns addressed to the gods. Subsequently, the entire ?human? hymns, skillfully composed by trained poets, acquire the status of divine texts which through their metre etc. are demarcated from all other language use, including the comments and explanations of difficulties associated with these divine texts. The next stage is the acquisition of divine status of both the hymns and their explanations, the stage reflected in the dictum mantra-br?hma?ayor veda-n?madheyam ?Mantras and Br?hma?as have the designation ?Veda? ? (?pastamba ?rauta-s?tra 24.1.31). The auxiliary disciplines such as grammar, etc., which develop in order to bridge the increasing distance between the language of the Veda and even the polished language of daily life, are the next candidates to receive divine status; the last observed stage is the attribution of divine status not only to Vedic literature and its auxiliary disciplines but to the entire Sanskrit language, a view which we find already clearly formulated by the 5th century grammarian-philosopher Bhart?hari, but which remained in his time far from uncontested (Houben 1996b). This does not detract from the de facto role of classical Sanskrit as a language to the co-production of which Buddhists contributed importantly, a philosophical and literary lingua franca (Houben 2018 ?Linguistic Paradox and Diglossia?).
Best,
Jan Houben

On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:37, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.

Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?

I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.

Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dean

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Sciences historiques et philologiques
54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Nov  6 14:31:11 2019
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 19 06:31:11 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
In-Reply-To: <942A9E3B-B7FC-4839-948E-20FA9B8778AF@austin.utexas.edu>
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While the explicit formulation of the notion of the Veda as Apauru?eya is
found in M?m??s?, Ved?nta and Dharma??stra, it is important to note that a
view that the Vedas are of impersonal and primordial origin is as old as
the Puru?as?kta of the R?gveda, and this view proliferates in the Br?hma?as
and the Upani?ads in various forms, such as the origin of the Vedas from
the primordial sacrifice or being the breath of Praj?pati etc.  The passage
"???? ????????????"(??.??.?-?-??) is often cited in traditional works to
argue for the *nityatva *of the Veda being authorized by the Veda itself.
The statement *anant? vai ved?? *dates to the Br?hma?a period.  So there is
a long prehistory to the formulation of the Apauru?eyatva theory dating
back to the Vedic period.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 5:53 AM Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Just to add to Jan?s excellent synopsis, Jan?s statement about "only
> P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta? were committed to the apauru?eya view can be
> supplemented by bringing in Dharma??stra, which was also generally
> committed to this view. And the broader acceptance of it during the
> medieval period may have been due to the extraordinary influence of this
> literary and scientific tradition on the general ?Hindu? views.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Dean,
> Some quick notes in reaction to your query:
> It is a widely accepted clich? that "the Vedas are eternal and apauru?eya"
> and another clich?, equally widely accepted by both traditional and modern,
> Indian and non-Indian, scholars is that this is essentially (!) THE Indian
> view on the Vedas. At some point in time, indeed, the "irrational" view of
> the nitya and apauru?eya Veda became dominant, and the theory of elevated
> but basically "human" authors disappeared from view in "orthodox" circles
> (just as the view of an originally basically "human" Jesus Christ advocated
> by Arius made in the course of time place for more "irrational" positions
> such as Trinitarianism which implies the an?dinidhanam divinity of Jesus in
> Christianity?). This means there was an earlier time that the view of a
> nitya and apauru?eya Veda was not dominant or evident. Even if we limit
> ourselves to the six so-called "orthodox" schools of Indian philosophy we
> find that widely divergent views were held about the nature and (extent of)
> authoritativeness of the Vedas -- and on the question whether the Vedic
> texts had or did not have authors: S??khya is severely critical of the
> Vedas and Vedic ritual (Houben 1999); Ny?ya makes efforts to prove that the
> Veda is not apauru?eya but pauru?eya: deriving from a Puru?a, namely God
> (Chemparathy 1983); the school of Aitih?sika interpretation of the Rgveda
> did not survive but interpreted the subject matter of hymns often in terms
> of references to human or divine,?historical? personalities (E. Sieg 1902).
> Not much of their views is preserved, but it is likely that the authors of
> the hymns were also regarded as ?historical? personalities; in Vai?e?ika,
> although theism overtook later on, there is no early systematic commitment
> even to God but to the ??is and their knowledge (even Pra?astap?da accepts,
> apart from pratyak?a, lai?gika and sm?ti, only ?r?a as another category of
> reliable knowledge, vidy?, in contradistinction to four forms of avidy?)
> From Vai?e?ika-s?tra (VS)6.1.1 buddhip?rv? v?kyak?tir vede we can infer the
> position that the composition of Vedic texts is preceded by thinking, and
> hence a creation by individuals, esp. the seers, although Candr?nanda?s
> commentary forcefully tries to interpret the plural as honorific and the
> reference to the author of the Veda as a reference to Mahe?vara (Houben
> 2019, pp. 198-199); in the system of Yoga (Yoga-s?tra etc.) the Veda and
> God have marginal roles, as for the latter i.a. in an optional way to the
> ultimate Yogic goal (A. Nugteren, God as an alternative, Leuven, Apeldoorn:
> Garant, 1991). Hence, we are left with only P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta as
> fully and originally committed to the Vedas as sources of ultimate
> knowledge, an irrational position which M?m??sakas such as Kum?rila
> brilliantly tried to defend rationally by arguing for a nitya and
> apauru?eya Veda. Somewhere in Alexis Pinchard?s Les langues de sagesse dans
> la Gr?ce et l?Inde anciennes (2009, based on a thesis defended in 2005) the
> author describes how there is an 'inflation' in the sacred status of Vedic
> and Sanskrit, an ?inflation? that can be easily traced back to its earlier
> stages. At first, the ?secret names or footsteps of the cows? are preserved
> in ?human? hymns addressed to the gods. Subsequently, the entire ?human?
> hymns, skillfully composed by trained poets, acquire the status of divine
> texts which through their metre etc. are demarcated from all other language
> use, including the comments and explanations of difficulties associated
> with these divine texts. The next stage is the acquisition of divine status
> of both the hymns and their explanations, the stage reflected in the dictum
> mantra-br?hma?ayor veda-n?madheyam ?Mantras and Br?hma?as have the
> designation ?Veda? ? (?pastamba ?rauta-s?tra 24.1.31). The auxiliary
> disciplines such as grammar, etc., which develop in order to bridge the
> increasing distance between the language of the Veda and even the polished
> language of daily life, are the next candidates to receive divine status;
> the last observed stage is the attribution of divine status not only to
> Vedic literature and its auxiliary disciplines but to the entire Sanskrit
> language, a view which we find already clearly formulated by the 5th
> century grammarian-philosopher Bhart?hari, but which remained in his time
> far from uncontested (Houben 1996b). This does not detract from the de
> facto role of classical Sanskrit as a language to the co-production of
> which Buddhists contributed importantly, a philosophical and literary
> lingua franca (Houben 2018 ?Linguistic Paradox and Diglossia?).
> Best,
> Jan Houben
>
> On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:37, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.
>>
>> Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are
>> "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
>>
>> I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
>>
>> Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated
>> would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dean
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> committee)
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>>
>
>
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> Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology
> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris)
> *Sciences historiques et philologiques *
> 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris
> *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr <johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr>*
> *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*
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From collinb1 at ohio.edu  Wed Nov  6 15:42:51 2019
From: collinb1 at ohio.edu (Collins, Brian)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 19 15:42:51 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Exploratory_session_for_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata_seminar_at_AAR?=
Message-ID: <C59C8345-083D-43C7-971D-83B2C14FD996@ohio.edu>

Dear INDOLOGY List,

If you will be at the AAR meeting on Monday the 25th, please plan to join us at an exploratory session on "The Mah?bh?rata: A Text for Classical Hinduism.? We will seek to establish whether sufficient interest exists to justify the creation of a five-year seminar dedicated to the Mah?bh?rata. Rather than present papers, we will articulate the case for such a seminar, soliciting participation from fellow AAR members. Details below.


WHEN:

Monday - 9:00 AM-11:30 AM

WHERE:

Hilton Bayfront-Sapphire 402 (Fourth Level)

PRESIDING:

Bruce M. Sullivan, Northern Arizona University,

PANEL:

Vishwa Adluri, City University of New York
Arti Dhand, University of Toronto
Frederick M. Smith, University of Iowa
Michael C. Baltutis, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh
Joydeep Bagchee, Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t of Munich

RESPONDING:

Brian Collins, Ohio University


Thanks,

Assoc. Prof. Brian Collins
Department Chair and Drs. Ram and Sushila Gawande Chair in Indian Religion and Philosophy
234 Ellis Hall
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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Wed Nov  6 18:00:09 2019
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 19 18:00:09 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
Message-ID: <1573054140.S.40861.autosave.drafts.1573063209.1716@webmail.rediffmail.com>

Dr.Houben,&nbsp;
With due respect,If I may just highlight a point ,namely, Dharmashastra is a part of Smriti , or more specifically , a part of Vedanga.Can we term it as "Apauruesheya"? Stuti is "Apauruesheya", but is.Smriti so?Alakendu Das.

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From: "Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY" &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt;
Sent: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:05:23 GMT+0530
To: Dean Michael Anderson &lt;eastwestcultural at yahoo.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"

Dear Dean,&nbsp;Some quick notes in reaction to your query:&nbsp;It is a widely accepted clich? that "the Vedas are eternal and apauru?eya" and another clich?, equally widely accepted by both traditional and modern, Indian and non-Indian, scholars is that this is essentially (!) THE Indian view on the Vedas. 

At some point in time, indeed, the "irrational" view of the nitya and apauru?eya Veda became dominant, and the theory of elevated but basically "human" authors disappeared from view in "orthodox" circles (just as the view of an originally basically "human" Jesus Christ advocated by Arius made in the course of time place for more "irrational" positions such as Trinitarianism which implies the an?dinidhanam divinity of Jesus in Christianity?). This means there was an earlier time that the view of a 

 nitya and apauru?eya Veda was not dominant or evident. Even if we limit ourselves to the six so-called "orthodox" schools of Indian philosophy we find that widely divergent views were held about the nature and (extent of) authoritativeness of the Vedas -- and on the question whether the Vedic texts had or did not have authors: S??khya is severely critical of the Vedas and Vedic ritual (Houben 1999); Ny?ya makes efforts to prove that the Veda is not apauru?eya but pauru?eya: deriving from a Puru?a, namely God (Chemparathy 1983); the school of Aitih?sika interpretation of the Rgveda did not survive but interpreted the subject matter of hymns often in terms of references to human or divine,?historical? personalities (E. Sieg 1902). Not much of their views is preserved, but it is likely that the authors of the hymns were also regarded as ?historical? personalities; in Vai?e?ika, although theism overtook later on, there is no early systematic commitment even to God but to the ??is and their knowledge (even Pra?astap?da accepts, apart from pratyak?a, lai?gika and sm?ti, only ?r?a as another category of reliable knowledge, vidy?, in contradistinction to four forms of avidy?)

>From Vai?e?ika-s?tra (VS)6.1.1 buddhip?rv? v?kyak?tir vede we can infer the position that the composition of Vedic texts is preceded by thinking, and hence a creation by individuals, esp. the seers, although Candr?nanda?s commentary forcefully tries to interpret the plural as honorific and the reference to the author of the Veda as a reference to Mahe?vara (Houben 2019, pp. 198-199); in the system of Yoga (Yoga-s?tra etc.) the Veda and God have marginal roles, as for the latter i.a. in an optional way to the ultimate Yogic goal (A. Nugteren, God as an alternative, Leuven, Apeldoorn: Garant, 1991). Hence, we are left with only P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta as fully and originally committed to the Vedas as sources of ultimate knowledge, an irrational position which M?m??sakas such as Kum?rila brilliantly tried to defend rationally by arguing for a nitya and apauru?eya Veda. Somewhere in Alexis Pinchard?s Les langues de sagesse dans la Gr?ce et l?Inde anciennes (2009, based on a thesis defended in 2005) the author describes how there is an 'inflation' in the sacred status of Vedic and Sanskrit, an ?inflation? that can be easily traced back to its earlier stages. At first, the ?secret names or footsteps of the cows? are preserved in ?human? hymns addressed to the gods. Subsequently, the entire ?human? hymns, skillfully composed by trained poets, acquire the status of divine texts which through their metre etc. are demarcated from all other language use, including the comments and explanations of difficulties associated with these divine texts. The next stage is the acquisition of divine status of both the hymns and their explanations, the stage reflected in the dictum mantra-br?hma?ayor veda-n?madheyam ?Mantras and Br?hma?as have the designation ?Veda? ? (?pastamba ?rauta-s?tra 24.1.31). The auxiliary disciplines such as grammar, etc., which develop in order to bridge the increasing distance between the language of the Veda and even the polished language of daily life, are the next candidates to receive divine status; the last observed stage is the attribution of divine status not only to Vedic literature and its auxiliary disciplines but to the entire Sanskrit language, a view which we find already clearly formulated by the 5th century grammarian-philosopher Bhart?hari, but which remained in his time far from uncontested (Houben 1996b). This does not detract from the de facto role of classical Sanskrit as a language to the co-production of which Buddhists contributed importantly, a philosophical and literary lingua franca (Houben 2018 ?Linguistic Paradox and Diglossia?).&nbsp;&nbsp;Best,&nbsp;Jan Houben
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:37, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt; wrote:

                

                Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.
Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.Thanks,Dean
            
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From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 19 19:04:42 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
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If you are responding to my post, then you have misunderstood it. My point was simply that the apauru?eyatva of the Veda was central to Dharma??stric views regarding the epistemology of dharma, and this tenet was borrowed from the sister school of M?m??s?, as Jan Houben stated. I am not talking about the apauru?eyatve of Dharma??stras!! These texts were always believed to have been humanly authored. See Madh?tithi?s wonderful, almost modern, view of how Manu composed his treatise.

Patrick Olivelle




On Nov 6, 2019, at 12:00 PM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dr.Houben,

With due respect,If I may just highlight a point ,namely, Dharmashastra is a part of Smriti , or more specifically , a part of Vedanga.Can we term it as "Apauruesheya"? Stuti is "Apauruesheya", but is.Smriti so?
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"

Dear Dean,
Some quick notes in reaction to your query:
It is a widely accepted clich? that "the Vedas are eternal and apauru?eya" and another clich?, equally widely accepted by both traditional and modern, Indian and non-Indian, scholars is that this is essentially (!) THE Indian view on the Vedas. At some point in time, indeed, the "irrational" view of the nitya and apauru?eya Veda became dominant, and the theory of elevated but basically "human" authors disappeared from view in "orthodox" circles (just as the view of an originally basically "human" Jesus Christ advocated by Arius made in the course of time place for more "irrational" positions such as Trinitarianism which implies the an?dinidhanam divinity of Jesus in Christianity?). This means there was an earlier time that the view of a nitya and apauru?eya Veda was not dominant or evident. Even if we limit ourselves to the six so-called "orthodox" schools of Indian philosophy we find that widely divergent views were held about the nature and (extent of) authoritativeness of the Vedas -- and on the question whether the Vedic texts had or did not have authors: S??khya is severely critical of the Vedas and Vedic ritual (Houben 1999); Ny?ya makes efforts to prove that the Veda is not apauru?eya but pauru?eya: deriving from a Puru?a, namely God (Chemparathy 1983); the school of Aitih?sika interpretation of the Rgveda did not survive but interpreted the subject matter of hymns often in terms of references to human or divine,?historical? personalities (E. Sieg 1902). Not much of their views is preserved, but it is likely that the authors of the hymns were also regarded as ?historical? personalities; in Vai?e?ika, although theism overtook later on, there is no early systematic commitment even to God but to the ??is and their knowledge (even Pra?astap?da accepts, apart from pratyak?a, lai?gika and sm?ti, only ?r?a as another category of reliable knowledge, vidy?, in contradistinction to four forms of avidy?) From Vai?e?ika-s?tra (VS)6.1.1 buddhip?rv? v?kyak?tir vede we can infer the position that the composition of Vedic texts is preceded by thinking, and hence a creation by individuals, esp. the seers, although Candr?nanda?s commentary forcefully tries to interpret the plural as honorific and the reference to the author of the Veda as a reference to Mahe?vara (Houben 2019, pp. 198-199); in the system of Yoga (Yoga-s?tra etc.) the Veda and God have marginal roles, as for the latter i.a. in an optional way to the ultimate Yogic goal (A. Nugteren, God as an alternative, Leuven, Apeldoorn: Garant, 1991). Hence, we are left with only P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta as fully and originally committed to the Vedas as sources of ultimate knowledge, an irrational position which M?m??sakas such as Kum?rila brilliantly tried to defend rationally by arguing for a nitya and apauru?eya Veda. Somewhere in Alexis Pinchard?s Les langues de sagesse dans la Gr?ce et l?Inde anciennes (2009, based on a thesis defended in 2005) the author describes how there is an 'inflation' in the sacred status of Vedic and Sanskrit, an ?inflation? that can be easily traced back to its earlier stages. At first, the ?secret names or footsteps of the cows? are preserved in ?human? hymns addressed to the gods. Subsequently, the entire ?human? hymns, skillfully composed by trained poets, acquire the status of divine texts which through their metre etc. are demarcated from all other language use, including the comments and explanations of difficulties associated with these divine texts. The next stage is the acquisition of divine status of both the hymns and their explanations, the stage reflected in the dictum mantra-br?hma?ayor veda-n?madheyam ?Mantras and Br?hma?as have the designation ?Veda? ? (?pastamba ?rauta-s?tra 24.1.31). The auxiliary disciplines such as grammar, etc., which develop in order to bridge the increasing distance between the language of the Veda and even the polished language of daily life, are the next candidates to receive divine status; the last observed stage is the attribution of divine status not only to Vedic literature and its auxiliary disciplines but to the entire Sanskrit language, a view which we find already clearly formulated by the 5th century grammarian-philosopher Bhart?hari, but which remained in his time far from uncontested (Houben 1996b). This does not detract from the de facto role of classical Sanskrit as a language to the co-production of which Buddhists contributed importantly, a philosophical and literary lingua franca (Houben 2018 ?Linguistic Paradox and Diglossia?).
Best,
Jan Houben

On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:37, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.

Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?

I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.

Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dean

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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 20:30:22 2019
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 19 02:00:22 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
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Dear Patrick and Madhav,
The discussion can indeed be extended from the six "orthodox" philosophical
systems, to, on the one hand, the dharma??stras (where M?m??s? principles
of interpretation find a natural, extended domain of application -- perhaps
hence also the M?m??s? view on the nityatva of the Veda?), and, on the
other hand, to the R?gveda.
Views that the Vedas -- the Vedic hymns -- are of primordial origin or are
given beforehand, and, in the  Puru?a-s?kta, literally of pauru?eya origin,
as rks, s?mans, yajus-formulas deriving from the primordial Puru?a, can
definitely be found in the R?gveda.
So also views that the Vedas -- Vedic hymns -- are and should be (newly)
created with much effort by the inspired poets, just as a carpenter creates
a chariot etc.
Writing on the Vedic poet's comparison of his work with that of a
"carpenter or cartwright", Jan Gonda *Vision of the Vedic Poets* 1963: p.
184 quotes Louis Renou's translation of
RV 7.64.4 y? v?m g?rtam m?nas? t?ksad et?m / ?rdhv?am dh?t?m k???vad
dh?r?yac ca ...
"celui qui charpentera votre tr?ne en pens?e, qui mettra haut-et-droit ce
po?me-ci et le maintiendra ..." (Renou EVP V (1958), p. 88).
Best, Jan Houben

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 20:01, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> While the explicit formulation of the notion of the Veda as Apauru?eya is
> found in M?m??s?, Ved?nta and Dharma??stra, it is important to note that a
> view that the Vedas are of impersonal and primordial origin is as old as
> the Puru?as?kta of the R?gveda, and this view proliferates in the Br?hma?as
> and the Upani?ads in various forms, such as the origin of the Vedas from
> the primordial sacrifice or being the breath of Praj?pati etc.  The passage
> "???? ????????????"(??.??.?-?-??) is often cited in traditional works to
> argue for the *nityatva *of the Veda being authorized by the Veda
> itself.  The statement *anant? vai ved?? *dates to the Br?hma?a period.
> So there is a long prehistory to the formulation of the Apauru?eyatva
> theory dating back to the Vedic period.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 5:53 AM Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Just to add to Jan?s excellent synopsis, Jan?s statement about "only
>> P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta? were committed to the apauru?eya view can be
>> supplemented by bringing in Dharma??stra, which was also generally
>> committed to this view. And the broader acceptance of it during the
>> medieval period may have been due to the extraordinary influence of this
>> literary and scientific tradition on the general ?Hindu? views.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Dean,
>> Some quick notes in reaction to your query:
>> It is a widely accepted clich? that "the Vedas are eternal and
>> apauru?eya" and another clich?, equally widely accepted by both traditional
>> and modern, Indian and non-Indian, scholars is that this is essentially (!)
>> THE Indian view on the Vedas. At some point in time, indeed, the
>> "irrational" view of the nitya and apauru?eya Veda became dominant, and the
>> theory of elevated but basically "human" authors disappeared from view in
>> "orthodox" circles (just as the view of an originally basically "human"
>> Jesus Christ advocated by Arius made in the course of time place for more
>> "irrational" positions such as Trinitarianism which implies the
>> an?dinidhanam divinity of Jesus in Christianity?). This means there was an
>> earlier time that the view of a nitya and apauru?eya Veda was not dominant
>> or evident. Even if we limit ourselves to the six so-called "orthodox"
>> schools of Indian philosophy we find that widely divergent views were held
>> about the nature and (extent of) authoritativeness of the Vedas -- and on
>> the question whether the Vedic texts had or did not have authors: S??khya
>> is severely critical of the Vedas and Vedic ritual (Houben 1999); Ny?ya
>> makes efforts to prove that the Veda is not apauru?eya but pauru?eya:
>> deriving from a Puru?a, namely God (Chemparathy 1983); the school of
>> Aitih?sika interpretation of the Rgveda did not survive but interpreted the
>> subject matter of hymns often in terms of references to human or
>> divine,?historical? personalities (E. Sieg 1902). Not much of their views
>> is preserved, but it is likely that the authors of the hymns were also
>> regarded as ?historical? personalities; in Vai?e?ika, although theism
>> overtook later on, there is no early systematic commitment even to God but
>> to the ??is and their knowledge (even Pra?astap?da accepts, apart from
>> pratyak?a, lai?gika and sm?ti, only ?r?a as another category of reliable
>> knowledge, vidy?, in contradistinction to four forms of avidy?) From
>> Vai?e?ika-s?tra (VS)6.1.1 buddhip?rv? v?kyak?tir vede we can infer the
>> position that the composition of Vedic texts is preceded by thinking, and
>> hence a creation by individuals, esp. the seers, although Candr?nanda?s
>> commentary forcefully tries to interpret the plural as honorific and the
>> reference to the author of the Veda as a reference to Mahe?vara (Houben
>> 2019, pp. 198-199); in the system of Yoga (Yoga-s?tra etc.) the Veda and
>> God have marginal roles, as for the latter i.a. in an optional way to the
>> ultimate Yogic goal (A. Nugteren, God as an alternative, Leuven, Apeldoorn:
>> Garant, 1991). Hence, we are left with only P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta as
>> fully and originally committed to the Vedas as sources of ultimate
>> knowledge, an irrational position which M?m??sakas such as Kum?rila
>> brilliantly tried to defend rationally by arguing for a nitya and
>> apauru?eya Veda. Somewhere in Alexis Pinchard?s Les langues de sagesse dans
>> la Gr?ce et l?Inde anciennes (2009, based on a thesis defended in 2005) the
>> author describes how there is an 'inflation' in the sacred status of Vedic
>> and Sanskrit, an ?inflation? that can be easily traced back to its earlier
>> stages. At first, the ?secret names or footsteps of the cows? are preserved
>> in ?human? hymns addressed to the gods. Subsequently, the entire ?human?
>> hymns, skillfully composed by trained poets, acquire the status of divine
>> texts which through their metre etc. are demarcated from all other language
>> use, including the comments and explanations of difficulties associated
>> with these divine texts. The next stage is the acquisition of divine status
>> of both the hymns and their explanations, the stage reflected in the dictum
>> mantra-br?hma?ayor veda-n?madheyam ?Mantras and Br?hma?as have the
>> designation ?Veda? ? (?pastamba ?rauta-s?tra 24.1.31). The auxiliary
>> disciplines such as grammar, etc., which develop in order to bridge the
>> increasing distance between the language of the Veda and even the polished
>> language of daily life, are the next candidates to receive divine status;
>> the last observed stage is the attribution of divine status not only to
>> Vedic literature and its auxiliary disciplines but to the entire Sanskrit
>> language, a view which we find already clearly formulated by the 5th
>> century grammarian-philosopher Bhart?hari, but which remained in his time
>> far from uncontested (Houben 1996b). This does not detract from the de
>> facto role of classical Sanskrit as a language to the co-production of
>> which Buddhists contributed importantly, a philosophical and literary
>> lingua franca (Houben 2018 ?Linguistic Paradox and Diglossia?).
>> Best,
>> Jan Houben
>>
>> On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:37, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are
>>> "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
>>>
>>> I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
>>>
>>> Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated
>>> would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dean
>>>
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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 21:34:34 2019
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 19 21:34:34 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Origin of 'Vedas are nitya apaurusheya'
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 Thanks to everyone for the fascinating discussion. 

The topic is, as I expected, much more nuanced than the common modern use of the term.
Gratefully yours,
Dean

  




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 Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.

  


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From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 19 04:41:30 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
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Thanks.I. Have got your point.
Alakendu Das.

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From: "Olivelle, J P" &lt;jpo at austin.utexas.edu&gt;
Sent: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 00:34:53 GMT+0530
To: alakendu das &lt;mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY]  origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"

 


 

If you are responding to my post, then you have misunderstood it. My point was simply that the apauru?eyatva of the Veda was central to Dharma??stric views regarding the epistemology of dharma, and this tenet was borrowed from the sister school
 of M?m??s?, as Jan Houben stated. I am not talking about the apauru?eyatve of Dharma??stras!! These texts were always believed to have been humanly authored. See Madh?tithi?s wonderful, almost modern, view of how Manu composed his treatise.



Patrick Olivelle













On Nov 6, 2019, at 12:00 PM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt; wrote:


Dr.Houben,&nbsp;



With due respect,If I may just highlight a point ,namely, Dharmashastra is a part of Smriti , or more specifically , a part of Vedanga.Can we term it as "Apauruesheya"? Stuti is "Apauruesheya", but is.Smriti so?
Alakendu Das.



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From: "Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY" &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt;

Sent: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:05:23 GMT+0530

To: Dean Michael Anderson &lt;eastwestcultural at yahoo.com&gt;

Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"



Dear Dean,&nbsp;
Some quick notes in reaction to your query:&nbsp;
It is a widely accepted clich? that "the Vedas are eternal and apauru?eya" and another clich?, equally widely accepted by both traditional and modern, Indian and non-Indian, scholars is that this is essentially (!) THE Indian view on the Vedas.
 At some point in time, indeed, the "irrational" view of the nitya and apauru?eya Veda became dominant, and the theory of elevated but basically "human" authors disappeared from view in "orthodox" circles (just as the view of an originally basically "human"
 Jesus Christ advocated by Arius made in the course of time place for more "irrational" positions such as Trinitarianism which implies the an?dinidhanam divinity of Jesus in Christianity?). This means there was an earlier time that the view of a nitya and apauru?eya
 Veda was not dominant or evident. Even if we limit ourselves to the six so-called "orthodox" schools of Indian philosophy we find that widely divergent views were held about the nature and (extent of) authoritativeness of the Vedas -- and on the question whether
 the Vedic texts had or did not have authors: S??khya is severely critical of the Vedas and Vedic ritual (Houben 1999); Ny?ya makes efforts to prove that the Veda is not apauru?eya but pauru?eya: deriving from a Puru?a, namely God (Chemparathy 1983); the school
 of Aitih?sika interpretation of the Rgveda did not survive but interpreted the subject matter of hymns often in terms of references to human or divine,?historical? personalities (E. Sieg 1902). Not much of their views is preserved, but it is likely that the
 authors of the hymns were also regarded as ?historical? personalities; in Vai?e?ika, although theism overtook later on, there is no early systematic commitment even to God but to the ??is and their knowledge (even Pra?astap?da accepts, apart from pratyak?a,
 lai?gika and sm?ti, only ?r?a as another category of reliable knowledge, vidy?, in contradistinction to four forms of avidy?) From Vai?e?ika-s?tra (VS)6.1.1 buddhip?rv? v?kyak?tir vede we can infer the position that the composition of Vedic texts is preceded
 by thinking, and hence a creation by individuals, esp. the seers, although Candr?nanda?s commentary forcefully tries to interpret the plural as honorific and the reference to the author of the Veda as a reference to Mahe?vara (Houben 2019, pp. 198-199); in
 the system of Yoga (Yoga-s?tra etc.) the Veda and God have marginal roles, as for the latter i.a. in an optional way to the ultimate Yogic goal (A. Nugteren, God as an alternative, Leuven, Apeldoorn: Garant, 1991). Hence, we are left with only P?rva-m?m??s?
 and Ved?nta as fully and originally committed to the Vedas as sources of ultimate knowledge, an irrational position which M?m??sakas such as Kum?rila brilliantly tried to defend rationally by arguing for a nitya and apauru?eya Veda. Somewhere in Alexis Pinchard?s
 Les langues de sagesse dans la Gr?ce et l?Inde anciennes (2009, based on a thesis defended in 2005) the author describes how there is an 'inflation' in the sacred status of Vedic and Sanskrit, an ?inflation? that can be easily traced back to its earlier stages.
 At first, the ?secret names or footsteps of the cows? are preserved in ?human? hymns addressed to the gods. Subsequently, the entire ?human? hymns, skillfully composed by trained poets, acquire the status of divine texts which through their metre etc. are
 demarcated from all other language use, including the comments and explanations of difficulties associated with these divine texts. The next stage is the acquisition of divine status of both the hymns and their explanations, the stage reflected in the dictum
 mantra-br?hma?ayor veda-n?madheyam ?Mantras and Br?hma?as have the designation ?Veda? ? (?pastamba ?rauta-s?tra 24.1.31). The auxiliary disciplines such as grammar, etc., which develop in order to bridge the increasing distance between the language of the
 Veda and even the polished language of daily life, are the next candidates to receive divine status; the last observed stage is the attribution of divine status not only to Vedic literature and its auxiliary disciplines but to the entire Sanskrit language,
 a view which we find already clearly formulated by the 5th century grammarian-philosopher Bhart?hari, but which remained in his time far from uncontested (Houben 1996b). This does not detract from the de facto role of classical Sanskrit as a language to the
 co-production of which Buddhists contributed importantly, a philosophical and literary lingua franca (Houben 2018 ?Linguistic Paradox and Diglossia?).&nbsp;&nbsp;
Best,&nbsp;
Jan Houben




On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:37, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt; wrote:













Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.



Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?


I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.


Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.


Thanks,


Dean













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From elisa.freschi at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 11:38:29 2019
From: elisa.freschi at gmail.com (elisa freschi)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 19 12:38:29 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_ECSAS_panel_on_M=C4=ABm=C4=81=E1=B9=83s=C4=81_and_Dharma=C5=9B=C4=81stra?=
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Dear Colleagues and Friends,

this is a friendly reminder for you to submit an abstract for the panel on M?m??s? and Dharma??stra at the next ECSAS to be held in Vienna, from 29 July to 1 August 2020. You will find below the title and abstract of the panel. You can also find it and submit your paper proposal on the following page: https://ecsas2020.univie.ac.at/panels/htty6/. The submission instructions are available here: https://ecsas2020.univie.ac.at/paper-submission-guidelines/. The deadline is November 17, 2019.

The panel focuses on how jurisprudence (Dharma??stra) in precolonial South Asia adopted the paradigms elaborated by the exegetical school  (M?m??s?) and applied them to the concrete cases of juridical disputes. The participants in the panel will approach these issues from multiple perspectives.

If you have any question, please feel free to write to me.

Looking forward to reading or seeing some of you next year in Vienna. 

elisa freschi


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From jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de  Thu Nov  7 12:17:27 2019
From: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de (John Peterson)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 19 13:17:27 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani"
In-Reply-To: <F1DDC8F4-EF1C-40FD-AC5C-2873082C858B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa461f307fecb9576124eb06927dd0fe@isfas.uni-kiel.de>

Dear members, 

Would any member of this list by any fortunate chance of fate perhaps be
in a library which contains either of the following two short grammars
of "Sadani" (known locally in Jharkhand as "Sadri" or "Nagpuri")? 

[1] Whitley, E.H., S.P.G. 1896. _Notes on the G?nw?r? Dialect of
Lohardaga, Chota Nagpur, assisted by A. Salkar_, 1895. Calcutta: 1896 

[2] Floor, H. 1931. _Language Hand-Book/Sadani (The Patois of Chota
Nagpur)_. Calcutta: Tea District Labour Association. [Note that this
book may have "Tea District Labour Association" or "Anonymous" as its
author.] 

Both books are mentioned in Jordan-Horstmann's 1969 grammar of this
language but my co-author and I (who have now otherwise finished our
grammar of this language and would like to send it off for publication)
have not been able to locate a copy of either. We are now hoping that a
smaller library which may not have all of its books in digitally
catalogued may be able to help us here. 

Any help - whether as a scan, paper copy or loan of this book - would be
greatly appreciated! 

Best,
John Peterson 

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Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft (ISFAS)
Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t zu Kiel
Olshausenstra?e 40
D-24098 Kiel
Germany

Tel.: (+49) (0)431-880 2414
Fax: (+49) (0)431-880 7405

Homepage:
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From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de  Thu Nov  7 18:12:58 2019
From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 19 18:12:58 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Exploratory_session_for_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata_seminar_at_AAR?=
In-Reply-To: <C59C8345-083D-43C7-971D-83B2C14FD996@ohio.edu>
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To whom it may concern:

As far as I know, Joydeep Bagchee is not a staff member of Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen and therfore not entitled to suggest such a connection.


R. Gr?nendahl



________________________________
Von: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> im Auftrag von Collins, Brian via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. November 2019 16:42
An: indology at list.indology.info
Betreff: [INDOLOGY] Exploratory session for Mah?bh?rata seminar at AAR

Dear INDOLOGY List,

If you will be at the AAR meeting on Monday the 25th, please plan to join us at an exploratory session on "The Mah?bh?rata: A Text for Classical Hinduism.? We will seek to establish whether sufficient interest exists to justify the creation of a five-year seminar dedicated to the Mah?bh?rata. Rather than present papers, we will articulate the case for such a seminar, soliciting participation from fellow AAR members. Details below.


WHEN:

Monday - 9:00 AM-11:30 AM

WHERE:

Hilton Bayfront-Sapphire 402 (Fourth Level)

PRESIDING:

Bruce M. Sullivan, Northern Arizona University,

PANEL:

Vishwa Adluri, City University of New York
Arti Dhand, University of Toronto
Frederick M. Smith, University of Iowa
Michael C. Baltutis, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh
Joydeep Bagchee, Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t of Munich

RESPONDING:

Brian Collins, Ohio University


Thanks,

Assoc. Prof. Brian Collins
Department Chair and Drs. Ram and Sushila Gawande Chair in Indian Religion and Philosophy
234 Ellis Hall
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio
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From r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org  Thu Nov  7 20:37:09 2019
From: r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 19 09:37:09 +1300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani"
In-Reply-To: <aa461f307fecb9576124eb06927dd0fe@isfas.uni-kiel.de>
Message-ID: <a26b8da2882255d6e640eaf31958d1f0a810966c.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org>

Dear John,

Whitley seems to be in the stacks in Berlin (details under "FULL
RECORD"):

http://bit.ly/32x8XFu

or long

https://scholia.indica-et-buddhica.org/search/zdb.sch?attribute=%40attr+1%3D4&query=Notes+on+the+G%C3%A1nw%C3%A1r%C3%AD+Dialect+of+Lohardaga&operator=&attribute2=&query2=&submit=search


Best, Richard




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From: John Peterson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de
To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani"
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:17:27 +0100
Mailer: CAU Webmail/1.3.10


Dear members,

Would any member of this list by any fortunate chance of fate perhaps
be in a library which contains either of the following two short
grammars of "Sadani" (known locally in Jharkhand as "Sadri" or
"Nagpuri")?

[1] Whitley, E.H., S.P.G. 1896. Notes on the G?nw?r? Dialect of
Lohardaga, Chota Nagpur, assisted by A. Salkar, 1895. Calcutta: 1896

[2] Floor, H. 1931. Language Hand-Book/Sadani (The Patois of Chota
Nagpur). Calcutta: Tea District Labour Association. [Note that this
book may have "Tea District Labour Association" or "Anonymous" as its
author.]

Both books are mentioned in Jordan-Horstmann's 1969 grammar of this
language but my co-author and I (who have now otherwise finished our
grammar of this language and would like to send it off for
publication) have not been able to locate a copy of either. We are now
hoping that a smaller library which may not have all of its books in
digitally catalogued may be able to help us here.

Any help - whether as a scan, paper copy or loan of this book - would
be greatly appreciated!

Best,
John Peterson



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 Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft (ISFAS)
 Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t zu Kiel
 Olshausenstra?e 40
 D-24098 Kiel
 Germany
 
 
 Tel.: (+49) (0)431-880 2414
 Fax: (+49) (0)431-880 7405
 
 Homepage: 
http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/mitarbeitende/john-peterson
 
 Project on the languages of South Asia:
 http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/efprojects
 
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From jneuss at makroskop.de  Thu Nov  7 21:01:22 2019
From: jneuss at makroskop.de (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=BCrgen_Neu=C3=9F?=)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 19 22:01:22 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani"
In-Reply-To: <a26b8da2882255d6e640eaf31958d1f0a810966c.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org>
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Dear John and Richard,

the entry points to the State Library Berlin (Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin).  
I just looked up their catalogue and it does list Whitley's work, but says  
that it was lost during war and use is impossible.

Sorry,
J?rgen


On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:37:09 +0100, Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica  
via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear John,
>
> Whitley seems to be in the stacks in Berlin (details under "FULL  
> RECORD"):
>
> http://bit.ly/32x8XFu
>
> or long
>
> https://scholia.indica-et-buddhica.org/search/zdb.sch?attribute=%40attr+1%3D4&query=Notes+on+the+G%C3%A1nw>%C3%A1r%C3%AD+Dialect+of+Lohardaga&operator=&attribute2=&query2=&submit=search
>
>
> Best, Richard
>
>
>
>> --
> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
>Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZT: +6433121699 M: +64210640216 
> r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org
> https://indica-et-buddhica.org/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Peterson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Reply-To: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de
> To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani"
> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:17:27 +0100
> Mailer: CAU Webmail/1.3.10
>
>
> Dear members,
>
> Would any member of this list by any fortunate chance of fate perhaps be  
> in a library which contains either of the >following two short grammars  
> of "Sadani" (known locally in Jharkhand as "Sadri" or "Nagpuri")?
>
> [1] Whitley, E.H., S.P.G. 1896. Notes on the G?nw?r? Dialect of  
> Lohardaga, Chota Nagpur, assisted by A. Salkar, 1895. >Calcutta: 1896
>
> [2] Floor, H. 1931. Language Hand-Book/Sadani (The Patois of Chota  
> Nagpur). Calcutta: Tea District Labour >Association. [Note that this  
> book may have "Tea District Labour Association" or "Anonymous" as its  
> author.]
>
> Both books are mentioned in Jordan-Horstmann's 1969 grammar of this  
> language but my co-author and I (who have >now otherwise finished our  
> grammar of this language and would like to send it off for publication)  
> have not been able to >locate a copy of either. We are now hoping that a  
> smaller library which may not have all of its books in digitally  
> >catalogued may be able to help us here.
>
> Any help - whether as a scan, paper copy or loan of this book - would be  
> greatly appreciated!
>
> Best,
> John Peterson
>
>
>
> --John Peterson
> Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft (ISFAS)
> Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t zu Kiel
> Olshausenstra?e 40
> D-24098 Kiel
> Germany
>
>
> Tel.: (+49) (0)431-880 2414
> Fax: (+49) (0)431-880 7405
>
> Homepage:  
> http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/mitarbeitende/john-peterson
>
> Project on the languages of South Asia:
> http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/efprojects
>
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From jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de  Thu Nov  7 21:41:52 2019
From: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de (John Peterson)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 19 22:41:52 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani"
In-Reply-To: <a26b8da2882255d6e640eaf31958d1f0a810966c.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org>
Message-ID: <b63bfa6cbee3220335d1a86ab783bfa5@isfas.uni-kiel.de>

Thanks to both of you for trying - I appreciate the effort!! 

Best,
John 

Am 07.11.2019 21:37, schrieb Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica:

> Dear John, 
> 
> Whitley seems to be in the stacks in Berlin (details under "FULL RECORD"): 
> 
> http://bit.ly/32x8XFu 
> 
> or long 
> 
> https://scholia.indica-et-buddhica.org/search/zdb.sch?attribute=%40attr+1%3D4&query=Notes+on+the+G%C3%A1nw%C3%A1r%C3%AD+Dialect+of+Lohardaga&operator=&attribute2=&query2=&submit=search 
> 
> Best, Richard 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica 
> 
> Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ  
> T: +6433121699 M: +64210640216  
> r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org  
> 
> https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ [1]  
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: John Peterson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> 
> Reply-To: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de 
> To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> 
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani" 
> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:17:27 +0100 
> Mailer: CAU Webmail/1.3.10 
> 
> Dear members, 
> 
> Would any member of this list by any fortunate chance of fate perhaps be in a library which contains either of the following two short grammars of "Sadani" (known locally in Jharkhand as "Sadri" or "Nagpuri")? 
> 
> [1] Whitley, E.H., S.P.G. 1896. _Notes on the G?nw?r? Dialect of Lohardaga, Chota Nagpur, assisted by A. Salkar_, 1895. Calcutta: 1896 
> 
> [2] Floor, H. 1931. _Language Hand-Book/Sadani (The Patois of Chota Nagpur)_. Calcutta: Tea District Labour Association. [Note that this book may have "Tea District Labour Association" or "Anonymous" as its author.] 
> 
> Both books are mentioned in Jordan-Horstmann's 1969 grammar of this language but my co-author and I (who have now otherwise finished our grammar of this language and would like to send it off for publication) have not been able to locate a copy of either. We are now hoping that a smaller library which may not have all of its books in digitally catalogued may be able to help us here. 
> 
> Any help - whether as a scan, paper copy or loan of this book - would be greatly appreciated! 
> 
> Best,
> John Peterson 
> 
> --
> 
> John Peterson
> Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft (ISFAS)
> Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t zu Kiel
> Olshausenstra?e 40
> D-24098 Kiel
> Germany
> 
> Tel.: (+49) (0)431-880 2414
> Fax: (+49) (0)431-880 7405
> 
> Homepage: http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/mitarbeitende/john-peterson
> 
> Project on the languages of South Asia:
> http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/efprojects
> 
> "Some you win, and some you learn." 
> 
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From r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org  Thu Nov  7 21:54:14 2019
From: r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 19 10:54:14 +1300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani"
In-Reply-To: <b63bfa6cbee3220335d1a86ab783bfa5@isfas.uni-kiel.de>
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Dear John and Jurgen,
Well seeing the war got in the way of the last maybe this holdingmight
help:
http://bit.ly/36D2Cvn
https://scholia.indica-et-buddhica.org/search/nii.sch?attribute=%40attr+1%3D4&query=Notes+on+the+G%C3%A1nw%C3%A1r%C3%AD+Dialect+of+Lohardaga&operator=&attribute2=&query2=&submit=search
Under full record again, it seems a copy is held at The LibraryTokyo
University of Foreign Studies. Photostat?

Best, Richard


-----Original Message-----From: John Peterson <
jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de>Reply-To: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.deTo:
Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica <r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org
>Cc: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY]
Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani"Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019
22:41:52 +0100Mailer: CAU Webmail/1.3.10

Thanks to both of you for trying - I appreciate the effort!!
Best,
John


Am 07.11.2019 21:37, schrieb Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica:
> Dear John,
>  
> Whitley seems to be in the stacks in Berlin (details under "FULL
> RECORD"):
>  
> http://bit.ly/32x8XFu
>  
> or long
>  
> https://scholia.indica-et-buddhica.org/search/zdb.sch?attribute=%40attr+1%3D4&query=Notes+on+the+G%C3%A1nw%C3%A1r%C3%AD+Dialect+of+Lohardaga&operator=&attribute2=&query2=&submit=search
>  
>  
> Best, Richard
>  
>  
>  
> 
> -- 
> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
>  
> Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ 
> T: +6433121699 M: +64210640216 
> r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org 
>  
> https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ 
> 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Peterson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Reply-To: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de
> To: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Looking for two older (short) books on "Sadani"
> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:17:27 +0100
> Mailer: CAU Webmail/1.3.10
>  
> Dear members,
> Would any member of this list by any fortunate chance of fate
> perhaps be in a library which contains either of the following two
> short grammars of "Sadani" (known locally in Jharkhand as "Sadri" or
> "Nagpuri")?
> [1] Whitley, E.H., S.P.G. 1896. Notes on the G?nw?r? Dialect of
> Lohardaga, Chota Nagpur, assisted by A. Salkar, 1895. Calcutta: 1896
> [2] Floor, H. 1931. Language Hand-Book/Sadani (The Patois of Chota
> Nagpur). Calcutta: Tea District Labour Association. [Note that this
> book may have "Tea District Labour Association" or "Anonymous" as
> its author.]
> Both books are mentioned in Jordan-Horstmann's 1969 grammar of this
> language but my co-author and I (who have now otherwise finished our
> grammar of this language and would like to send it off for
> publication) have not been able to locate a copy of either. We are
> now hoping that a smaller library which may not have all of its
> books in digitally catalogued may be able to help us here.
> Any help - whether as a scan, paper copy or loan of this book -
> would be greatly appreciated!
> Best,
> John Peterson
> 
> 
> --
> 
> John Peterson
>  Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft (ISFAS)
>  Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t zu Kiel
>  Olshausenstra?e 40
>  D-24098 Kiel
>  Germany
>  
>  
>  Tel.: (+49) (0)431-880 2414
>  Fax: (+49) (0)431-880 7405
>  
>  Homepage: 
> http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/mitarbeitende/john-peterson
>  
>  Project on the languages of South Asia:
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 Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t zu Kiel
 Olshausenstra?e 40
 D-24098 Kiel
 Germany
 
 
 Tel.: (+49) (0)431-880 2414
 Fax: (+49) (0)431-880 7405
 
 Homepage: 
http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/mitarbeitende/john-peterson
 
 Project on the languages of South Asia:
 http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/efprojects
 
 "Some you win, and some you learn."



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From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de  Fri Nov  8 00:36:03 2019
From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 19 01:36:03 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Dr._Bagchee_(was:_Re:__Exploratory_session_for_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata_seminar_at_AAR)?=
In-Reply-To: <C59C8345-083D-43C7-971D-83B2C14FD996@ohio.edu>
Message-ID: <31c3a01e6927e715c7c6b4bd245ab754@uni-muenchen.de>

Dear Readers,

To avoid any possible misunderstandings, I would like to state, once 
again, that Dr. Bagchee has never been affiliated with the Institut f?r 
Indologie und Tibetologie of the University of Munich, in any way. Nor 
does he ever seem to have approached us. (We would not have accepted his 
kind of work as academically or otherwise intellectually beneficial 
anyway.)

His being listed here among the panelists as ?Joydeep Bagchee, 
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t of Munich? qualifies as masquerading, to 
the detriment of my institution. As Dr. Gr?nendahl has already 
mentioned, Dr. Bagchee is not entitled to suggest such a connection.

Dr. Bagchee?s very brief affiliation with another department of the 
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t expired already a year ago, and he was 
explicitly requested by the head of that department to no longer use the 
LMU affiliation. I leave it to the readers on this list, and especially 
to the organizers of that exploratory session at the AAR meeting, to 
draw their own conclusions from this about the academic integrity of the 
person(s) who are responsible for this false mention of affiliation, 
whether Dr. Bagchee and / or others.

Robert Zydenbos


On 2019-11-06 16:42, Collins, Brian via INDOLOGY wrote:

> Dear INDOLOGY List,
> 
> If you will be at the AAR meeting on Monday the 25th, please plan to 
> join us at an exploratory session on "The _Mah?bh?rata:_ A Text for 
> Classical Hinduism." [?]
> 
> PRESIDING:
> 
> Bruce M. Sullivan, Northern Arizona University,
> 
> PANEL:
> 
> Vishwa Adluri, City University of New York
> Arti Dhand, University of Toronto
> Frederick M. Smith, University of Iowa
> Michael C. Baltutis, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh
> Joydeep Bagchee, Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t of Munich
> 
> RESPONDING:
> 
> Brian Collins, Ohio University
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Assoc. Prof. Brian Collins
> Department Chair and Drs. Ram and Sushila Gawande Chair in Indian 
> Religion and Philosophy
> 234 Ellis Hall
> Ohio University
> Athens, Ohio
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From royce.wiles at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 05:42:50 2019
From: royce.wiles at gmail.com (Royce Wiles)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 19 18:42:50 +1300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Symposium on Jainism and Mathematics
In-Reply-To: <007c01d5939e$a2ffda10$e8ff8e30$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CANPRZZaAKqhRu4ptvAm-CHJ5=E9ganB-pzi1M+TGi-NKB+yOew@mail.gmail.com>

FYI

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 19:02, Sulekh Jain ... wrote:

>  * 2nd Call for Papers/ Abstract , Last date December 31st, 2019*
>
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> We bring to your kind attention about a first time of its kind
>
>      *Symposium on Jainism and Mathematics on June 20th and 21st, 2020 at
> MIT ? USA*
>
>
>
> *                    Symposium title  ?Ancient Wisdom Meets the Modern
> Age?*
>
>
>
> This email is to invite eminent scholars like you, from all over the world
> who have conducted original research in studying Jain scriptures,
> specifically for their mathematical contributions. We  also seek  papers on
> newly researched subject matter such as on transmission between Arabic,
> Greek, Chinese, and Jain mathematics;  unpublished Jain mathematical texts
> in Tamil, Kannada, and other Indian languages and their antiquity; Jain
> number theory and its uniqueness; earliest positional notations, Jaina
> concept of infinity and modern infinity; unique and independent
> contributions of Jain mathematics in the outside world. Please see the list
> of some  suggested topics  (as an attachment)
>
>
>
> *    Kindly send  your  abstract  as soon as possible but definitely by
> 31st December, 2019.  *
>
>
>
> The Scientific Organization Committee of this symposium  (SOC) will  then
> go through all abstracts received and select several most relevant for
> presentation in person at the symposium at Massachusetts Institute of
> Technology , (MIT) in USA on 20th and 21st June 2020.  All selected
> original articles will be edited and are likely to be published by a
> publisher as a monograph.
>
>
>
> All travel, visa, boarding, and lodging expenses will be arranged and paid
> by us at no cost to the invited scholars.
>
>
>
> Kindly disseminate and forward  this announcement and the attached items
> including the flier to all  the interested scholars and provide us their
> email addresses if possible.
>
>
>
> Please send all your responses and inquiries to CONTACT at Jainmath.org and
> magnuseng at comast.net.
>
>
>
> For a detailed information of the symposium please visit www.Jainmath.org.
>
>
>
>
> We have collected some materials on the following google drive which might
> be useful in your search for topics and references.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19CIIvqPP8leQB3G-BfPVhzAphn051PZn?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Thank you, and we are looking forward to hearing from you.
>
>
>
> *Organizing Committee:*
>
> Pankajkumar K Shah, Boston
>
> Dr. Sulekh Jain, Las Vegas
>
> Dr. Manoj Jain, Emory Univ. USA
>
> Dr. Anupam Jain, Indore, India
>
> Dr. Devavrat Shah, MIT, USA
>
> *Scientific Organizing Committee (SOC)*
>
> Dr. Catherine Morice-Singh, Paris, France
>
> Dr. Ken Pugh, Yale Univ. USA
>
> Dr. Surender K Jain, Ohio Univ. USA
>
> *Jain Center of Greater Boston*
>
> Haresh Tamboli,
>
> Boston, President
>
>
>
> *JAINA*
>
> Mahesh Wadher,
>
> Los Angeles, President
>
>
>
>
>
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From evadeclercq at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  8 12:01:11 2019
From: evadeclercq at hotmail.com (eva de clercq)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 19 12:01:11 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] REMINDER: CFP ECSAS 2020: Vernacular Mahabharatas in Text and Performance
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Dear colleagues (apologies for crossposting),

My fellow convenors (Heike Oberlin and Heidi Pauwels) and I wish to remind you all again of our invitation to submit an abstract for our panel at the next ECSAS in Vienna next year. To submit, please click the "submit a paper" button on this page: https://ecsas2020.univie.ac.at/panels/iu8uk/. The deadline is November 17th. I also paste the abstracts below. If you have any questions, feel free to email me (Ev.DeClercq at UGent.be).

Best regards,

Eva


Vernacular Mah?bh?ratas in Text and Performance

This panel will explore the multitude of Maha?bha?rata retellings in vernacular languages in all genres, from 'classic' texts, to performances, to popular media, including versions from Muslim, Jain and other communities, and ritual performances from diverse regions of the Subcontinent and beyond.

id: iu8uk
Convenors:
? Eva De Clercq Ghent University (Gent, Belgium)
? Heike Oberlin Dept. of Indology and Comparative Religion, Eberhard Karls University of T?bingen, Germany (T?bingen, Germany)
? Heidi Pauwels Asian Languages and Literature, University of Washington, Seattle, USA (Seattle, United States of America)
________________________________
Long Abstract

Scholarly attention to the Indian epics has largely focused on the Sanskrit versions. However, just as is the case with the R?m?ya?a, as A.K. Ramanujan explains in his influential article ?Three hundred Ramayanas? (1991), there are innumerable vernacular Mah?bh?ratas. Compared to the vernacular R?m?ya?as, very little work has been done on the these. In the past decades, there have been at least two conferences in India that included contributions on vernacular and performative Mah?bh?ratas (Singh 1993 and Trikha 2006), and in the US, a panel on ?Many Mah?bh?ratas? was organized at the yearly South Asia Conference in Madison in 2017, the outcome of which will be published in an edited volume (Pillai & Hawley 2019). On this base we aim to push international research and studies on the multiple vernacular versions of the Mah?bh?ratas, with special attention to performative aspects, audiences and political circumstances. To complement the panel organizers? own diverse research on Keralese performance versions (Oberlin), Old Hindi versions (Pauwels) and the Jain versions (De Clercq), we invite presentations on vernacular Maha?bha?ratas, from classic texts in vernacular languages, right up to popular media, its multiple retellings spanning from traditional elite performances and genres such as dance, drama and poetry, to contemporary popular poster art, folk and puppet theatre, novels, comics, cartoons, cinema and television. This includes vernacular Maha?bha?ratas from non-Hindu communities, such as Muslims, Jains, Buddhists and others.



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From julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de  Fri Nov  8 13:41:57 2019
From: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de (Julia Hegewald)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 19 14:41:57 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] 2 Cluster Professorships: Dependency Studies, Bonn University
In-Reply-To: <9950b9f26694ac42975110c8e936b62d@mail.uni-bonn.de>
Message-ID: <F42FFD42-FED5-48E7-83DE-8DEB0A95C904@uni-bonn.de>

Dear colleagues and friends,

I would like to draw your attention to two new positions. They are professorships in the Cluster for Dependency and Slavery Studies at the University of Bonn, which have just been advertised. 
One of them has a focus on Research Area A (Semantics, Lexical Fields, and Narratives) and the one focusses on topics of Research Area E (Gender and Intersectionality). 

You can find the calls here: https://www.dependency.uni-bonn.de/en/career <https://www.dependency.uni-bonn.de/en/career>


Please, spread the word. The application deadline is 16 December. 


Kind regards,

Julia Hegewald.




Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald
Professor of Oriental Art History
Head of Department
University of Bonn
Institute of Oriental and Asian Studies (IOA)
Department of Asian and Islamic Art History
Adenauerallee 10
53113 Bonn
Germany

Email: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de
www.aik.uni-bonn.de
Tel. 0049-228-73 7213
Fax. 0049-228-73 4042





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From m.bose at ubc.ca  Fri Nov  8 16:58:21 2019
From: m.bose at ubc.ca (Bose, Mandakranta)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 19 16:58:21 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Enquirty_on_sm=E1=B9=9Btitattvam?=
Message-ID: <A30D2B73A25577429DC11B7E75A5E54D018B9F3262@S-ITSV-MBX04P.ead.ubc.ca>

Dear Risa-Jana,
  Would anyone have a reference details for a book published in the '50s: Raghunandan Bhattacharya's A???vi??atitattvam? It is printed in Bengali font. As a student of sm?ti I studied several sections of the book, including Malam?satattvam. I would appreciate any help.
Thanks.
Mandakranata

Mandakranta Bose, D.Phil. (Oxon.), FRAS, FRSC
Senior Fellow, Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies
Professor Emerita UBC
Former Director, Centre for India and South Asia Research
Institute of Asian Research
University of British Columbia
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From andrew.ollett at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 20:19:46 2019
From: andrew.ollett at gmail.com (Andrew Ollett)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 19 14:19:46 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Script tables
In-Reply-To: <0a350b3a-79bb-9485-580f-3b2910c56d5f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAANHO15p0uu4pBD8s-661Vc7T9syNMNVB_8Nde8tGAP1LV3s5A@mail.gmail.com>

I want to thank everyone who responded to my query (Matthew Kapstein, Arlo
Griffiths, Tyler Williams, Roland Steiner, Marco Franceschini, Stefan
Baums, and Rolf Heinrich Koch) for the extremely valuable suggestions,
which included a few tools, like Archetype, I hadn't known existed. I can
also mention that, if you can't or don't want to use costly proprietary
software, some of the preprocessing steps that Marco Franceschini described
can be done in free and open-source tools like ImageMagick.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:55 AM Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Matthew,
> if you want to construct any script or devanagari *font *(eg .ttf) for
> using in word documents:
> Very important is to work with vector based images.
> In the Nineties I produced some different styled Devanagari fonts with the
> help of the Windows app TypeFoundry.
> This app no longer exists. Today the app FontCreator is available, which
> works similar.
> You make a scan of the desired letters, import to FontCreator. There it
> will be converted into a vector image.
> Now you will be able to make minor changes to the letter. You can also
> assign the letters to any keyboard key.
> When you are finished the app will produce a .ttf font for the
> windows/font folder.
> Of course you can also use this font for a script table.
>
> Heiner
>
>
> Am 03.11.2019 um 11:38 schrieb Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY:
>
> Dear Andrew,
>
> You could also contact Dragomir Dimitrov who produced several script
> tables:
>
> -- The Bhaik?uk? Manuscript of the Candr?la?k?ra. Study, Script Tables,
> and Facsimile Edition. By Dragomir Dimitrov. Cambridge, Mass., London:
> Harvard University Press 2010 (Harvard Oriental Series. 729).
>
> -- "Tables of the Old Bengali Script (on the basis of a Nepalese
> manuscript of Da??in's K?vy?dar?a), in: ?ikhisamuccaya?. Indian and Tibetan
> Studies. Ed. by Dragomir Dimitrov, Ulrike Roesler and Roland Steiner. Wien:
> Arbeitskreis f?r tibetische und buddhistische Studien, Universit?t Wien
> 2002 (Wiener Studien zur Tibetologie und Buddhismuskunde. 53), pp. 27-78.
>
> Best,
> Roland
>
>
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From rah2k at virginia.edu  Fri Nov  8 21:26:25 2019
From: rah2k at virginia.edu (Hueckstedt, Robert A (rah2k))
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 19 21:26:25 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] MA at the University of Virginia
Message-ID: <MN2PR13MB339258C8595D46BF0B34F9CB877B0@MN2PR13MB3392.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Colleagues:
Please notify any students who might find our Masters Program useful. Also, note the new Bridge to the Doctorate program, which funds its fellows. Sanskrit, Hindi, Urdu, Persian, Arabic and Hebrew are languages students can study here.

Bob Hueckstedt


The University of Virginia?s Department of Middle Eastern and South Asian Languages and Cultures invites applications to its MA Program in Middle Eastern and South Asian Studies. The student focuses on one language in their chosen area. No previous language study is required to apply to the program except for Arabic, which requires two years of previous successful college-level study. To graduate from the program two years of successful language study are required in addition to a dissertation and thirty credits of coursework. For Arabic a total of three years of language study are required. For more information and application instructions, go to http://mesalc.as.virginia.edu/graduate-program.


Note that this year the University of Virginia?s Graduate School of Arts and Sciences has instituted a new program called Bridge to the Doctorate. This new program is only for US citizens and permanent residents who are underrepresented, either in universities generally or in their particular field, and whose undergraduate career has not prepared them for study at the PhD level. This program provides Bridge Fellows with substantial funding for two years. For more information and application instructions, go to http://graduate.as.virginia.edu/bridge-doctorate.



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From hellwig7 at gmx.de  Sat Nov  9 10:50:45 2019
From: hellwig7 at gmx.de (Oliver Hellwig)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 19 11:50:45 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Rau, Altertumskunde
Message-ID: <0517f1d4-73ee-21df-c88d-17489ae37aa9@gmx.de>

Dear all,

does anybody have a scan of W. Rau, Zur vedischen Altertumskunde and
would be ready to share it?

Thanks and best wishes, Oliver

---
Oliver Hellwig, IVS Z?rich





From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Sat Nov  9 11:20:25 2019
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 19 11:20:25 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Authorship of "TattwaBodha"
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To all,Can anyone may kindly confirm the following:-Was the Vedantic text 'Tattwabodha"authored by Shankaracharya?.Alakendu Das.



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From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de  Sat Nov  9 11:46:32 2019
From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 19 12:46:32 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Re: origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
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Dear Prof. Olivelle,

would you by any chance have a source of Madha?tithi?s remarks about
Manu, or could perhaps recommend a text edition where to find it? I
think this would be something very interesting to read with my students.

Best regards,


Raik Strunz









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>>> "Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info> 06.11.19
20.06 Uhr >>>
 If you are responding to my post, then you have misunderstood it. My
point was simply that the apauru?eyatva of the Veda was central to
Dharma??stric views regarding the epistemology of dharma, and this tenet
was borrowed from the sister school  of M?m??s?, as Jan Houben stated. I
am not talking about the apauru?eyatve of Dharma??stras!! These texts
were always believed to have been humanly authored. See Madh?tithi?s
wonderful, almost modern, view of how Manu composed his treatise.
 
 
 Patrick Olivelle
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   On Nov 6, 2019, at 12:00 PM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY
<indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
 
 Dr.Houben,  
 
 With due respect,If I may just highlight a point ,namely, Dharmashastra
is a part of Smriti , or more specifically , a part of Vedanga.Can we
term it as "Apauruesheya"? Stuti is "Apauruesheya", but is.Smriti so?
 Alakendu Das.
 
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 From: "Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info>
 Sent: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:05:23 GMT+0530
 To: Dean Michael Anderson <eastwestcultural at yahoo.com>
 Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya
apaurusheya"
 
 Dear Dean,  Some quick notes in reaction to your query: 
 It is a widely accepted clich? that "the Vedas are eternal and
apauru?eya" and another clich?, equally widely accepted by both
traditional and modern, Indian and non-Indian, scholars is that this is
essentially (!) THE Indian view on the Vedas.  At some point in time,
indeed, the "irrational" view of the nitya and apauru?eya Veda became
dominant, and the theory of elevated but basically "human" authors
disappeared from view in "orthodox" circles (just as the view of an
originally basically "human"  Jesus Christ advocated by Arius made in
the course of time place for more "irrational" positions such as
Trinitarianism which implies the an?dinidhanam divinity of Jesus in
Christianity?). This means there was an earlier time that the view of a
nitya and apauru?eya  Veda was not dominant or evident. Even if we limit
ourselves to the six so-called "orthodox" schools of Indian philosophy
we find that widely divergent views were held about the nature and
(extent of) authoritativeness of the Vedas -- and on the question
whether  the Vedic texts had or did not have authors: S??khya is
severely critical of the Vedas and Vedic ritual (Houben 1999); Ny?ya
makes efforts to prove that the Veda is not apauru?eya but pauru?eya:
deriving from a Puru?a, namely God (Chemparathy 1983); the school  of
Aitih?sika interpretation of the Rgveda did not survive but interpreted
the subject matter of hymns often in terms of references to human or
divine,?historical? personalities (E. Sieg 1902). Not much of their
views is preserved, but it is likely that the  authors of the hymns were
also regarded as ?historical? personalities; in Vai?e?ika, although
theism overtook later on, there is no early systematic commitment even
to God but to the ??is and their knowledge (even Pra?astap?da accepts,
apart from pratyak?a,  lai?gika and sm?ti, only ?r?a as another category
of reliable knowledge, vidy?, in contradistinction to four forms of
avidy?) From Vai?e?ika-s?tra (VS)6.1.1 buddhip?rv? v?kyak?tir vede we
can infer the position that the composition of Vedic texts is preceded 
by thinking, and hence a creation by individuals, esp. the seers,
although Candr?nanda?s commentary forcefully tries to interpret the
plural as honorific and the reference to the author of the Veda as a
reference to Mahe?vara (Houben 2019, pp. 198-199); in  the system of
Yoga (Yoga-s?tra etc.) the Veda and God have marginal roles, as for the
latter i.a. in an optional way to the ultimate Yogic goal (A. Nugteren,
God as an alternative, Leuven, Apeldoorn: Garant, 1991). Hence, we are
left with only P?rva-m?m??s?  and Ved?nta as fully and originally
committed to the Vedas as sources of ultimate knowledge, an irrational
position which M?m??sakas such as Kum?rila brilliantly tried to defend
rationally by arguing for a nitya and apauru?eya Veda. Somewhere in
Alexis Pinchard?s  Les langues de sagesse dans la Gr?ce et l?Inde
anciennes (2009, based on a thesis defended in 2005) the author
describes how there is an 'inflation' in the sacred status of Vedic and
Sanskrit, an ?inflation? that can be easily traced back to its earlier
stages.  At first, the ?secret names or footsteps of the cows? are
preserved in ?human? hymns addressed to the gods. Subsequently, the
entire ?human? hymns, skillfully composed by trained poets, acquire the
status of divine texts which through their metre etc. are  demarcated
from all other language use, including the comments and explanations of
difficulties associated with these divine texts. The next stage is the
acquisition of divine status of both the hymns and their explanations,
the stage reflected in the dictum  mantra-br?hma?ayor veda-n?madheyam
?Mantras and Br?hma?as have the designation ?Veda? ? (?pastamba
?rauta-s?tra 24.1.31). The auxiliary disciplines such as grammar,
etc., which develop in order to bridge the increasing distance between
the language of the  Veda and even the polished language of daily life,
are the next candidates to receive divine status; the last observed
stage is the attribution of divine status not only to Vedic literature
and its auxiliary disciplines but to the entire Sanskrit language,  a
view which we find already clearly formulated by the 5th century
grammarian-philosopher Bhart?hari, but which remained in his time far
from uncontested (Houben 1996b). This does not detract from the de facto
role of classical Sanskrit as a language to the  co-production of which
Buddhists contributed importantly, a philosophical and literary lingua
franca (Houben 2018 ?Linguistic Paradox and Diglossia?).  
 Best, 
 Jan Houben
 
 
  On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:37, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY
<indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
 
     
 
     Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.
 
 
 Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are
"nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?
 
 
 I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.
 
 
 Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated
would be appreciated.
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 
 Dean
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
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From cristina.pecchia at oeaw.ac.at  Sat Nov  9 13:04:49 2019
From: cristina.pecchia at oeaw.ac.at (cristina pecchia)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 19 14:04:49 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Paths to Liberation in Hindu and Sikh Traditions -- a symposium at the Austrian Academy of Sciences
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Dear List,

we are pleased to announce that the symposium

/Paths to Liberation in Hindu and Sikh Traditions /

will take place the Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual History 
of Asia (IKGA), of the Austrian Academy of Sciences.

 ?Date: 28-29 November, 2019
Venue: IKGA, Hollandstrasse 11?13, 1020 Vienna, AUSTRIA


 ??? List of participants:

?Christ?le Barois, University of Vienna

?Peter Bisschop, Leiden University

?Johannes Bronkhorst, University of Lausanne

?Daniele Cuneo, Universit? Sorbonne nouvelle - Paris 3

?Elisa Freschi, Austrian Academy of Sciences/University of Vienna

?J?rgen Hanneder, Philipps-Universit?t Marburg

?James Mallinson, SOAS University of London

?Andrew Nicholson, State University of New York at Stony Brook

?Marion Rastelli, Austrian Academy of Sciences

?Peter Schreiner, University of Zurich

?Arvind-Pal S. Mandair, University of Michigan

?Michael Williams, Austrian Academy of Sciences


 ?Organizers: Cristina Pecchia, Marion Rastelli, and Vincent Eltschinger

For more information, please visit: 
https://www.oeaw.ac.at/ikga/veranstaltungen/event-detail/article/paths-to-liberation-in-hindu-and-sikh-traditions/
Best regards,
Cristina Pecchia

* Dr Cristina Pecchia Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual 
History of Asia (IKGA) Austrian Academy of Sciences (OEAW) FWF Austrian 
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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Sat Nov  9 15:08:57 2019
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 19 15:08:57 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Re: origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"
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Medh?tithi?s take on how Manu composed his work by bring a group of scholars together, see Jha?s edition, Vol. 1, p. 65, second para. See also pl 67, last para about even his contemporaries could write sm?tis!!

Patrick



On Nov 9, 2019, at 5:46 AM, Raik Strunz <raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de<mailto:raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de>> wrote:

Dear Prof. Olivelle,

would you by any chance have a source of Madha?tithi?s remarks about Manu, or could perhaps recommend a text edition where to find it? I think this would be something very interesting to read with my students.

Best regards,


Raik Strunz





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Raik Strunz, M.A.

Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter
Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de<mailto:raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de>
Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655

Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg
Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften
Seminar f?r Indologie
Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9
D-06108 Halle (Saale)

www.indologie.uni-halle.de<x-msg://38/www.indologie.uni-halle.de>

???????????

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>>> "Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> 06.11.19 20.06 Uhr >>>
If you are responding to my post, then you have misunderstood it. My point was simply that the apauru?eyatva of the Veda was central to Dharma??stric views regarding the epistemology of dharma, and this tenet was borrowed from the sister school of M?m??s?, as Jan Houben stated. I am not talking about the apauru?eyatve of Dharma??stras!! These texts were always believed to have been humanly authored. See Madh?tithi?s wonderful, almost modern, view of how Manu composed his treatise.

Patrick Olivelle




On Nov 6, 2019, at 12:00 PM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dr.Houben,

With due respect,If I may just highlight a point ,namely, Dharmashastra is a part of Smriti , or more specifically , a part of Vedanga.Can we term it as "Apauruesheya"? Stuti is "Apauruesheya", but is.Smriti so?
Alakendu Das.

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From: "Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Sent: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:05:23 GMT+0530
To: Dean Michael Anderson <eastwestcultural at yahoo.com<mailto:eastwestcultural at yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] origin and discussion that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya"

Dear Dean,
Some quick notes in reaction to your query:
It is a widely accepted clich? that "the Vedas are eternal and apauru?eya" and another clich?, equally widely accepted by both traditional and modern, Indian and non-Indian, scholars is that this is essentially (!) THE Indian view on the Vedas. At some point in time, indeed, the "irrational" view of the nitya and apauru?eya Veda became dominant, and the theory of elevated but basically "human" authors disappeared from view in "orthodox" circles (just as the view of an originally basically "human" Jesus Christ advocated by Arius made in the course of time place for more "irrational" positions such as Trinitarianism which implies the an?dinidhanam divinity of Jesus in Christianity?). This means there was an earlier time that the view of a nitya and apauru?eya Veda was not dominant or evident. Even if we limit ourselves to the six so-called "orthodox" schools of Indian philosophy we find that widely divergent views were held about the nature and (extent of) authoritativeness of the Vedas -- and on the question whether the Vedic texts had or did not have authors: S??khya is severely critical of the Vedas and Vedic ritual (Houben 1999); Ny?ya makes efforts to prove that the Veda is not apauru?eya but pauru?eya: deriving from a Puru?a, namely God (Chemparathy 1983); the school of Aitih?sika interpretation of the Rgveda did not survive but interpreted the subject matter of hymns often in terms of references to human or divine,?historical? personalities (E. Sieg 1902). Not much of their views is preserved, but it is likely that the authors of the hymns were also regarded as ?historical? personalities; in Vai?e?ika, although theism overtook later on, there is no early systematic commitment even to God but to the ??is and their knowledge (even Pra?astap?da accepts, apart from pratyak?a, lai?gika and sm?ti, only ?r?a as another category of reliable knowledge, vidy?, in contradistinction to four forms of avidy?) From Vai?e?ika-s?tra (VS)6.1.1 buddhip?rv? v?kyak?tir vede we can infer the position that the composition of Vedic texts is preceded by thinking, and hence a creation by individuals, esp. the seers, although Candr?nanda?s commentary forcefully tries to interpret the plural as honorific and the reference to the author of the Veda as a reference to Mahe?vara (Houben 2019, pp. 198-199); in the system of Yoga (Yoga-s?tra etc.) the Veda and God have marginal roles, as for the latter i.a. in an optional way to the ultimate Yogic goal (A. Nugteren, God as an alternative, Leuven, Apeldoorn: Garant, 1991). Hence, we are left with only P?rva-m?m??s? and Ved?nta as fully and originally committed to the Vedas as sources of ultimate knowledge, an irrational position which M?m??sakas such as Kum?rila brilliantly tried to defend rationally by arguing for a nitya and apauru?eya Veda. Somewhere in Alexis Pinchard?s Les langues de sagesse dans la Gr?ce et l?Inde anciennes (2009, based on a thesis defended in 2005) the author describes how there is an 'inflation' in the sacred status of Vedic and Sanskrit, an ?inflation? that can be easily traced back to its earlier stages. At first, the ?secret names or footsteps of the cows? are preserved in ?human? hymns addressed to the gods. Subsequently, the entire ?human? hymns, skillfully composed by trained poets, acquire the status of divine texts which through their metre etc. are demarcated from all other language use, including the comments and explanations of difficulties associated with these divine texts. The next stage is the acquisition of divine status of both the hymns and their explanations, the stage reflected in the dictum mantra-br?hma?ayor veda-n?madheyam ?Mantras and Br?hma?as have the designation ?Veda? ? (?pastamba ?rauta-s?tra 24.1.31). The auxiliary disciplines such as grammar, etc., which develop in order to bridge the increasing distance between the language of the Veda and even the polished language of daily life, are the next candidates to receive divine status; the last observed stage is the attribution of divine status not only to Vedic literature and its auxiliary disciplines but to the entire Sanskrit language, a view which we find already clearly formulated by the 5th century grammarian-philosopher Bhart?hari, but which remained in his time far from uncontested (Houben 1996b). This does not detract from the de facto role of classical Sanskrit as a language to the co-production of which Buddhists contributed importantly, a philosophical and literary lingua franca (Houben 2018 ?Linguistic Paradox and Diglossia?).
Best,
Jan Houben

On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:37, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Sorry, I mistitled that earlier thread.

Does anyone know the origin of the term and concept that the Vedas are "nitya apaurusheya", eternal and uncreated by humans?

I have heard it might have originated in Karma Mimamsa.

Also, any information about how it was conceived, discussed and debated would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dean

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From jmdelire at ulb.ac.be  Sun Nov 10 10:28:07 2019
From: jmdelire at ulb.ac.be (jmdelire)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 19 11:28:07 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Intro to mathematics in Skt
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Dear Friends,

It seems that you forgot to mention my name as an expert in Sanskrit 
mathematics, and also as an historian of mathematics.
I wrote my thesis in 2002 about the Sulbasutras and published in 2016 
(Droz, Geneva) an edition-translation-explanation (in French) of the 
Baudhayana's and its commentary by Dvarakanatha. I am always amazed by 
the way the Anglo-Saxon world ignores the French publication, even if 
they cite my good friend Fran?ois Patte, who also translates to French.
I wrote some articles in English (in that direction at least, we make 
some efforts as you can read) and gave a lecture in Oxford some years 
ago, when I had the opportunity to work for the philosophical part of my 
thesis with Jim Benson. Prof Gombrich attended the conference. I am 
nowadays working on mathematics at the court of Jai Singh II, and I 
visit Jaipur very often for that purpose.
Jesse, you can contact me if you need any special information, for I 
have probably the best library on Sanskrit mathematics in Belgium, which 
is of course nothing compared to the Indian Institute in Oxford, but who 
knows ?

Best regards,

Jean Michel DELIRE,
Ma?tre-assistant en math?matiques et histoire des math?matiques - HE2B 
Defr?
Charg? du cours Science et civilisation de l'Inde - Textes sanskrits - 
IHEB (Universit? de Bruxelles)
Membre du Centre National d'Histoire des Sciences (KBR, Bruxelles)
Membre de la Soci?t? Asiatique (Paris)


Le 27.10.2019 18:59, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY a ?crit?:
> Thanks so much for this Alessandra.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:28 PM Alessandra Petrocchi
> <a.petrocchi at cantab.net> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Jesse,
>> just to expand a bit the reading list: if your student or yourself
>> would
>> like to investigate this subject further, I also would recommend to
>> look
>> at the publications by the following scholars, who are experts in
>> this
>> field as well: Takao Hayashi, Agathe Keller, Takanori Kusuba,
>> Clemency
>> Montelle, Francois Patte,? and myself.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Alessandra.
>> 
>> Dr Alessandra Petrocchi
>> Leverhulme Trust Early Career Research Fellow
>> Faculty of Linguistics Philology and Phonetics
>> University of Oxford
>> 
>> On Sat, October 26, 2019 21:43, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>> Dear Friends, I am asking on behalf of a student with a math
>> background,
>>> but am also interested for myself, despite very limited math: Can
>> you
>>> recommend some good introductions to Sanskrit mathematical
>> traditions?
>>> Best,J
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 20:36:08 2019
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 19 13:36:08 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Intro to mathematics in Skt
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And for Clemency Montelle's review of Jean Michel's 2012 book, see HSSA
<https://doi.org/10.18732/H2QP4H>.


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From jknutson at hawaii.edu  Sun Nov 10 21:39:24 2019
From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 19 11:39:24 -1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Intro to mathematics in Skt
In-Reply-To: <4ca5331e9824892c74f62ddaf97296a0@imapproxy.vub.ac.be>
Message-ID: <CAAiVBEUUXDFe02aMnB0c1dkH9FZnAsgqbgpxcQ=msb0tov+Frg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks so much Jean Michel. I'm a sukum?ramati, horrible at math, otherwise
would have surely known your work. I hardly had a clue about the English-
language scholarship. I have huge respect for francophone Indology, where
some of e.g. the k?vya scholarship is without parallel, and agree that it
is very important for Indology to remain multilingual. I appreciate your
drawing my attention to your ?uvre and promise to read it if I make any
progress in my reading on the topic. Merci mille fois, bhavad?ya?,J

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 12:29 AM jmdelire via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> It seems that you forgot to mention my name as an expert in Sanskrit
> mathematics, and also as an historian of mathematics.
> I wrote my thesis in 2002 about the Sulbasutras and published in 2016
> (Droz, Geneva) an edition-translation-explanation (in French) of the
> Baudhayana's and its commentary by Dvarakanatha. I am always amazed by
> the way the Anglo-Saxon world ignores the French publication, even if
> they cite my good friend Fran?ois Patte, who also translates to French.
> I wrote some articles in English (in that direction at least, we make
> some efforts as you can read) and gave a lecture in Oxford some years
> ago, when I had the opportunity to work for the philosophical part of my
> thesis with Jim Benson. Prof Gombrich attended the conference. I am
> nowadays working on mathematics at the court of Jai Singh II, and I
> visit Jaipur very often for that purpose.
> Jesse, you can contact me if you need any special information, for I
> have probably the best library on Sanskrit mathematics in Belgium, which
> is of course nothing compared to the Indian Institute in Oxford, but who
> knows ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jean Michel DELIRE,
> Ma?tre-assistant en math?matiques et histoire des math?matiques - HE2B
> Defr?
> Charg? du cours Science et civilisation de l'Inde - Textes sanskrits -
> IHEB (Universit? de Bruxelles)
> Membre du Centre National d'Histoire des Sciences (KBR, Bruxelles)
> Membre de la Soci?t? Asiatique (Paris)
>
>
> Le 27.10.2019 18:59, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY a ?crit :
> > Thanks so much for this Alessandra.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:28 PM Alessandra Petrocchi
> > <a.petrocchi at cantab.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Jesse,
> >> just to expand a bit the reading list: if your student or yourself
> >> would
> >> like to investigate this subject further, I also would recommend to
> >> look
> >> at the publications by the following scholars, who are experts in
> >> this
> >> field as well: Takao Hayashi, Agathe Keller, Takanori Kusuba,
> >> Clemency
> >> Montelle, Francois Patte,  and myself.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Alessandra.
> >>
> >> Dr Alessandra Petrocchi
> >> Leverhulme Trust Early Career Research Fellow
> >> Faculty of Linguistics Philology and Phonetics
> >> University of Oxford
> >>
> >> On Sat, October 26, 2019 21:43, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY wrote:
> >>> Dear Friends, I am asking on behalf of a student with a math
> >> background,
> >>> but am also interested for myself, despite very limited math: Can
> >> you
> >>> recommend some good introductions to Sanskrit mathematical
> >> traditions?
> >>> Best,J
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's
> >> managing
> >>> committee) http://listinfo.indology.info [1] (where you can
> >> change your list
> >>> options or unsubscribe)
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dr Alessandra Petrocchi
> >> Leverhulme Trust Early Career Research Fellow
> >> Faculty of Linguistics Philology and Phonetics
> >> University of Oxford
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1] http://listinfo.indology.info
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> > or unsubscribe)
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
>


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Associate Professor of Sanskrit Language and Literature
& Chair
Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
University of Hawai'i, M?noa
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From jknutson at hawaii.edu  Sun Nov 10 21:39:57 2019
From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 19 11:39:57 -1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Intro to mathematics in Skt
In-Reply-To: <CAAiVBEUUXDFe02aMnB0c1dkH9FZnAsgqbgpxcQ=msb0tov+Frg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAiVBEXYnjbq1SnzuM_D2is29+12PA2wMiRJ8QxV3CaMvDOS=g@mail.gmail.com>

and thanks for that Dominik!

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 11:39 AM Jesse Knutson <jknutson at hawaii.edu> wrote:

> Thanks so much Jean Michel. I'm a sukum?ramati, horrible at math,
> otherwise would have surely known your work. I hardly had a clue about the
> English- language scholarship. I have huge respect for
> francophone Indology, where some of e.g. the k?vya scholarship is without
> parallel, and agree that it is very important for Indology to remain
> multilingual. I appreciate your drawing my attention to your ?uvre and
> promise to read it if I make any progress in my reading on the topic. Merci
> mille fois, bhavad?ya?,J
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 12:29 AM jmdelire via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> It seems that you forgot to mention my name as an expert in Sanskrit
>> mathematics, and also as an historian of mathematics.
>> I wrote my thesis in 2002 about the Sulbasutras and published in 2016
>> (Droz, Geneva) an edition-translation-explanation (in French) of the
>> Baudhayana's and its commentary by Dvarakanatha. I am always amazed by
>> the way the Anglo-Saxon world ignores the French publication, even if
>> they cite my good friend Fran?ois Patte, who also translates to French.
>> I wrote some articles in English (in that direction at least, we make
>> some efforts as you can read) and gave a lecture in Oxford some years
>> ago, when I had the opportunity to work for the philosophical part of my
>> thesis with Jim Benson. Prof Gombrich attended the conference. I am
>> nowadays working on mathematics at the court of Jai Singh II, and I
>> visit Jaipur very often for that purpose.
>> Jesse, you can contact me if you need any special information, for I
>> have probably the best library on Sanskrit mathematics in Belgium, which
>> is of course nothing compared to the Indian Institute in Oxford, but who
>> knows ?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jean Michel DELIRE,
>> Ma?tre-assistant en math?matiques et histoire des math?matiques - HE2B
>> Defr?
>> Charg? du cours Science et civilisation de l'Inde - Textes sanskrits -
>> IHEB (Universit? de Bruxelles)
>> Membre du Centre National d'Histoire des Sciences (KBR, Bruxelles)
>> Membre de la Soci?t? Asiatique (Paris)
>>
>>
>> Le 27.10.2019 18:59, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY a ?crit :
>> > Thanks so much for this Alessandra.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 10:28 PM Alessandra Petrocchi
>> > <a.petrocchi at cantab.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Jesse,
>> >> just to expand a bit the reading list: if your student or yourself
>> >> would
>> >> like to investigate this subject further, I also would recommend to
>> >> look
>> >> at the publications by the following scholars, who are experts in
>> >> this
>> >> field as well: Takao Hayashi, Agathe Keller, Takanori Kusuba,
>> >> Clemency
>> >> Montelle, Francois Patte,  and myself.
>> >>
>> >> Best wishes,
>> >> Alessandra.
>> >>
>> >> Dr Alessandra Petrocchi
>> >> Leverhulme Trust Early Career Research Fellow
>> >> Faculty of Linguistics Philology and Phonetics
>> >> University of Oxford
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, October 26, 2019 21:43, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY wrote:
>> >>> Dear Friends, I am asking on behalf of a student with a math
>> >> background,
>> >>> but am also interested for myself, despite very limited math: Can
>> >> you
>> >>> recommend some good introductions to Sanskrit mathematical
>> >> traditions?
>> >>> Best,J
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's
>> >> managing
>> >>> committee) http://listinfo.indology.info [1] (where you can
>> >> change your list
>> >>> options or unsubscribe)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Dr Alessandra Petrocchi
>> >> Leverhulme Trust Early Career Research Fellow
>> >> Faculty of Linguistics Philology and Phonetics
>> >> University of Oxford
>> >
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > ------
>> > [1] http://listinfo.indology.info
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > INDOLOGY mailing list
>> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> > committee)
>> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>> > or unsubscribe)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
> Associate Professor of Sanskrit Language and Literature
> & Chair
> Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
> University of Hawai'i, M?noa
> 461 Spalding
>


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& Chair
Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
University of Hawai'i, M?noa
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From collinb1 at ohio.edu  Mon Nov 11 18:16:06 2019
From: collinb1 at ohio.edu (Collins, Brian)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 19 18:16:06 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Exploratory_session_for_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata_seminar_at_AAR?=
In-Reply-To: <C59C8345-083D-43C7-971D-83B2C14FD996@ohio.edu>
Message-ID: <3C63B227-F911-45F6-97BE-068367DDCF53@ohio.edu>

CORRECTION:

Dr. Joydeep Bagchee was listed in our proposal as an independent scholar by his request; the LMU affiliation was kicked in through old data in the AAR system. Paper selections are peer reviewed and not based on university affiliations; I hope this clarifies things for all parties concerned.

On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Collins, Brian <collinb1 at ohio.edu<mailto:collinb1 at ohio.edu>> wrote:

Dear INDOLOGY List,

If you will be at the AAR meeting on Monday the 25th, please plan to join us at an exploratory session on "The Mah?bh?rata: A Text for Classical Hinduism.? We will seek to establish whether sufficient interest exists to justify the creation of a five-year seminar dedicated to the Mah?bh?rata. Rather than present papers, we will articulate the case for such a seminar, soliciting participation from fellow AAR members. Details below.


WHEN:

Monday - 9:00 AM-11:30 AM

WHERE:

Hilton Bayfront-Sapphire 402 (Fourth Level)

PRESIDING:

Bruce M. Sullivan, Northern Arizona University,

PANEL:

Vishwa Adluri, City University of New York
Arti Dhand, University of Toronto
Frederick M. Smith, University of Iowa
Michael C. Baltutis, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh
Joydeep Bagchee, Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t of Munich

RESPONDING:

Brian Collins, Ohio University


Thanks,

Assoc. Prof. Brian Collins
Department Chair and Drs. Ram and Sushila Gawande Chair in Indian Religion and Philosophy
234 Ellis Hall
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio
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From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de  Tue Nov 12 12:02:56 2019
From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 19 13:02:56 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Exploratory_session_for_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata_seminar_at_AAR?=
In-Reply-To: <3C63B227-F911-45F6-97BE-068367DDCF53@ohio.edu>
Message-ID: <c5e3bd51-f825-fa7d-5cc2-7c13ea198a68@uni-muenchen.de>

[apologies for the possible cross-possting]

Collins, Brian wrote on 11.11.19 19:16:

> CORRECTION:
>
> Dr. Joydeep Bagchee was listed in our proposal as an independent
> scholar by his request; the LMU affiliation was kicked in through old
> data in the AAR system.
How sad that the AAR system contains such data that expired over a year
ago. One wonders why.

> I hope this clarifies things for all parties concerned.
It would be still nicer if in further postings you alter the last line
in the list of participating persons correspondingly, so as to
discontinue the embarrassment. 

Robert Zydenbos
Munich

> PANEL:
>> Vishwa Adluri, City University of New York
>> Arti Dhand, University of Toronto
>> Frederick M. Smith, University of Iowa
>> Michael C. Baltutis, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh
>> Joydeep Bagchee, Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t of Munich






From jonathanloar1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 16:31:45 2019
From: jonathanloar1 at gmail.com (Jonathan Loar)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 19 11:31:45 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Webinar on 11/21: Introduction to South Asian Collection at Library of Congress
Message-ID: <CAOzGMBBEF+EUfF10WqXy425wKt3Z7DaKAfZTi+gukGchWokxKw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

Apologies for cross-posting and/or if you've already seen this on other
channels... Next week, my colleague Charlotte Giles and I will be hosting a
webinar on the many aspects of the South Asian collection at the Library of
Congress. The webinar will take place on Thursday November 21 (1-2pm), and
registration is through the Eventbrite link below. Please feel free to
share this with colleagues, students, and all others who may be interested.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/introduction-to-the-south-asian-collection-webinar-registration-79419218019

For those who cannot attend, we also plan to record the webinar and make it
available on the Library's Asian Reading Room website (this may take a
couple of months).

Kind regards,

Jon


Jonathan Loar, Ph.D.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

South Asia Reference Librarian

Asian Division, Library of Congress

jloa at loc.gov

(202) 707-3417

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LibGuide: South Asian Manuscripts at the Library of Congress
<https://guides.loc.gov/south-asian-manuscripts>

4 Corners of the World Blog
<http://blogs.loc.gov/international-collections/> and its South Asia
<https://blogs.loc.gov/international-collections/category/south-asia/>
content

International Collections Facebook Page
<https://www.facebook.com/libraryofcongressinternationalcollections>


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From ayeletkotler at uchicago.edu  Wed Nov 13 14:42:49 2019
From: ayeletkotler at uchicago.edu (Ayelet Kotler)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 19 08:42:49 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Call for Papers: South Asia Graduate Student Conference @UChicago
Message-ID: <CADG7PHMa8W-FrDeA9DjNrvPXnSijSSNHAGD9YYLT7-u=JqsvFw@mail.gmail.com>

The 17th Annual South Asia Graduate Student Conference at the University of
Chicago is pleased to invite submissions to the 2020 graduate student
conference *Reception, Tradition, and Canonization: Pasts and Presents in
South Asia* to be held on *March 5th-6th*, *2020* in Chicago.



We invite graduate students at all levels to submit abstracts for
consideration. The call for papers is linked here
<https://tinyurl.com/y37t4d76>, and the online submission form can be found
via this link
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe0jQcMlXd3VZusmAUkOHQOsoq7dkdSx9haS52d545gObBF2w/viewform>.
We would appreciate it if you would forward this email to students in your
department and colleagues who may be interested. For the full CfP and
more information please see our website
<https://lucian.uchicago.edu/blogs/sagsc/>.


SAGSC XVII Organizing Committee

-- 
Ayelet Kotler, PhD Student
South Asian Languages and Civilizations
University of Chicago


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From msa2b at virginia.edu  Wed Nov 13 21:12:42 2019
From: msa2b at virginia.edu (Allen, Michael S (msa2b))
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 19 21:12:42 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] American Academy of Religion: Session in Hindu Philosophy
Message-ID: <BYAPR13MB2696AEC18C71D884A88783C18A760@BYAPR13MB2696.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Colleagues,

This year the American Academy of Religion will be hosting an exploratory session in Hindu Philosophy at the annual meeting in San Diego. The AAR has long been an important forum for research in Buddhist philosophy, with dedicated units in Buddhist Philosophy, Yog?c?ra, and Buddhist Critical-Constructive Reflection. But there has been no dedicated forum for research in non-Buddhist philosophical traditions of India.

Our hope is to establish a permanent unit in Hindu Philosophy at AAR, and this year's exploratory session is the first step. If you are coming to San Diego, I hope you will consider joining us for our session on Sunday morning, Nov. 24 (full details below). Even if you are only able to come for part of the session, this is still an important way of demonstrating to AAR's Program Committee that there is enough interest to establish a unit. If you are unable to attend but would still like to voice your support for the unit--this includes international colleagues and others who do not regularly attend AAR--feel free to send me an email: <msa2b at virginia.edu>.

The last part of the session will include an open discussion of the future of the unit. Come with thoughts, suggestions, and criticisms. To forestall obvious criticism, I should probably note (in a nod to Buddhist philosophy), that both "Hindu" and "philosophy" are intended as "convenient designators." During the session we can discuss other possible titles for the unit.

Best wishes,
Michael

Michael S. Allen
Assistant Professor
Department of Religious Studies
University of Virginia

------
American Academy of Religion, Annual Meeting 2019
Exploratory Session (A24-133)
Theme: Hindu Philosophy

Michael Allen, University of Virginia, Presiding
Sunday, November 24, 9:00 AM-11:30 AM
Hilton Bayfront-Aqua 310A (Third Level)

The goal of this session is to bring together scholars working on Hindu philosophy broadly construed, including not only classical schools but a wide range of traditions from the ancient past to the present day. We hope to gauge interest in the possibility of establishing a unit in Hindu philosophy parallel to the existing unit in Buddhist philosophy. The session will include ample time for discussion not just of the papers but also of the state of the field. The theme is ?Philosophy and Practice.? What relationships can we trace between philosophical traditions and ?lived religion?? To what extent do ?abstract? ideas inform concrete practices? To what extent do everyday practices shape the horizon of philosophical possibilities? From the Vedic period to the twentieth century, from aesthetics to political philosophy: together, the four papers highlight the breadth, the methodological diversity, and the promise of the field of Hindu philosophy.

Laurie Louise Patton, Middlebury College
Watching the Moon Move: What The Imagists Might Ask of the Vedic Poets
Catherine Prueitt, George Mason University
Abhinavagupta on the Transformation of Pain
Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad, Lancaster University
Hearing, Thinking, Contemplation: Revisiting the Advaitic Model of the Accomplishment of Cognition
Nalini Bhushan, Smith College
Gandhi?s Incipient Cosmopolitanism: Glimpses of Enlightenment Aspirations in Gandhi?s Antimodernist Nationalism
Responding:
Parimal Patil, Harvard University




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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 06:32:36 2019
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 19 12:02:36 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Problem with some ligatures
Message-ID: <CAODNnZhFBNAWEcxSsFZWd2_ZxErVQf3VEk_jh8iZr5SOCffngw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all
I wonder has any one used ardhavisarga and converted into pdf? I am not
getting these in my own fonts. I could save only in MS office word, but not
in note pad or Indesign. I don't have access to Latex,  I wonder any one
used ardhavisarga and converted into pdf successfully.

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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 13:12:47 2019
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 19 18:42:47 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Problem with some ligatures
In-Reply-To: <CAODNnZhFBNAWEcxSsFZWd2_ZxErVQf3VEk_jh8iZr5SOCffngw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAODNnZj1ovPyCE2HbKwy_ajtazc2byiY-k3DWhpGEObY_iZ+=w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all
I think the problem can be solved by directly editing in the PDF

Thanks

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:02 PM Krishnaprasad G <
krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all
> I wonder has any one used ardhavisarga and converted into pdf? I am not
> getting these in my own fonts. I could save only in MS office word, but not
> in note pad or Indesign. I don't have access to Latex,  I wonder any one
> used ardhavisarga and converted into pdf successfully.
>
> [image: test.jpg]
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From heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de  Thu Nov 14 17:52:55 2019
From: heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de (Heike Oberlin)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 19 18:52:55 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Malayalam_for_Beginners_@_T=C3=BCbingen:_10.-14._&_17.-21.2.2020?=
Message-ID: <1DA59B92-52CF-4A3E-B410-2AEC4E71DD38@uni-tuebingen.de>

Dear members of the list,

in T?bingen the annual Malayalam intensive course for beginners will be offered again in February 2020.
All interested are welcome to register!

Best regards,
Heike Oberlin



Malaya?l?am ? Course for Beginners
10.-14. & 17.-21.2.2020
Prof. Dr. Heike Oberlin
Venue: Institute of Asian and Oriental Studies, Dept. of Indology Keplerstr. 2, 72074 Tuebingen, room 004
Time: both weeks Monday ? Friday, daily 10:00-12:30 and 14:30-17:00 h
Fees:
For students of the University of Tuebingen: both weeks 15 ? (copying costs for teaching materials)
Others: per week 60 ? (including copying costs for teaching materials)
Registration: heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de <mailto:sarah.merkle-schneider at uni-tuebingen.de>
Credit points / ECTS: Each of the two weeks is equivalent to a regular course with 2 hours per week (2 Semesterwochenstunden). For students of other departments or universities: The count of credit points must be fixed individually with the respective department or home university.
A continuation course is supposed to be offered as part of the Gundert Chair in summer 2020.



-------------------
Prof. Dr. Heike Oberlin
Associate Professor of Indology
Eberhard Karls University of Tuebingen
Institute of Asian and Oriental Studies (AOI)
Dept. of Indology and Comparative Religion
Keplerstr. 2 (room 139)  ? 72074 Tuebingen ? Germany

Phone +49 7071 29-74005 ? Mobile +49 176 20030066
heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de
 
http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/aoi/indologie/mitarbeiter/heike-oberlin-moser.html

***
Latest publication:
Heike Oberlin & David Shulman (eds.). 2019. Two Masterpieces of K??iy???am: Mantr??kam and A?gul?y??kam. New Delhi: Oxford University Press. 
***








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From martingansten at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 19:19:39 2019
From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 19 20:19:39 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jesuits on astrology/astrologers in India?
Message-ID: <5db084e3-61ed-06d4-d0e7-892cb8e883ee@gmail.com>

With apologies for cross-posting:

On behalf of a colleague (not an Indologist/South Asianist) who is 
researching the historical attitudes and practices of Jesuits with 
regard to astrology, particularly in the 16th to 17th century, I wonder 
if list members are aware of Jesuit sources that reference astrology or 
astrologers in India. Thanks in advance for any leads.

Martin Gansten






From peter.schreiner at aoi.uzh.ch  Fri Nov 15 08:10:25 2019
From: peter.schreiner at aoi.uzh.ch (Peter Schreiner)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 19 09:10:25 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fehlermeldung?
Message-ID: <199ef3ff-c35f-f478-6ff0-388e5ce49421@aoi.uzh.ch>

Kann mir jemand, bitte, die folgende Fehlermeldung (voller mir nicht 
vertrauter Termini und jedenfalls kein TUSTEP-Format) erkl?ren, die von 
der darunter reproduzierten Prozedur (welche fr?her funktioniert hatte; 
sie stammt letztlich aus der Feder von Herrn Ott und dient dazu, die 
Devanagari-Schrift in die zu druckende Datei, in der sie vorkommt, 
einzubinden) ausgel?st wird. Wenn diese Meldung erscheint, ist der 
Computer blockiert und es bleibt nur Neustart...

"TUSTEP API function failed

Error in Resize from function sw2:

Kein Prozess ist am anderen Ende der Pipe"

= = = = =

#an,,?1.ps
#an,daten*xdvng.pfa
#da,?1_i.ps,sdf-ap

#makro
$$ set actps = FULL_NAME (TUSTEP, "?1.ps", -STD-)
$$ set fullps = FULL_NAME (TUSTEP, "?1_i.ps", -STD-)
$$ set fntlib = "c:\daten"
$$ execute *
copy "<fntlib>\xdvng.pfa" + <actps> <fullps>"
*eof

#- zum Anschauen in GhostView
#*zeps,?1_i.ps

#- zum Ausdrucken
#*psdr,?1_i.ps,ger=-std-,anz=1,op=-std-

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Vielen Dank im voraus!

Peter Schreiner

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From jmdelire at ulb.ac.be  Fri Nov 15 11:34:42 2019
From: jmdelire at ulb.ac.be (jmdelire)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 19 12:34:42 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jesuits on astrology/astrologers in India?
In-Reply-To: <5db084e3-61ed-06d4-d0e7-892cb8e883ee@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc406d51f10175ef190e0c2bde3db68a@imapproxy.vub.ac.be>

Dear Martin,

I have been working on a similar subject since some years and I intend 
to write a book (not before 2 or 3 years). Unhappily, I am studying only 
the French part of it, since many French Jesuits were good astronomers 
and either observed the sky in India or got informed there about Indian 
astronomy.
The best sources to begin with are :
Le P.Antoine Gaubil S.J., Correspondance de P?kin 1722-1759, publi?e par 
Ren?e Simon, Droz, Gen?ve, 1970, and
The biographies of Jesuits by Sommervogel, which appeared in many 
volumes. If you are interested by the French connection, I can give you 
a list of names.
I also wrote an article on the European astronomers at the court of Jai 
Singh II (they were Jesuits) in the Journal des Savants, 2013, 
p.175-192.

Best,

Jean Michel


Le 14.11.2019 20:19, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY a ?crit?:
> With apologies for cross-posting:
> 
> On behalf of a colleague (not an Indologist/South Asianist) who is
> researching the historical attitudes and practices of Jesuits with
> regard to astrology, particularly in the 16th to 17th century, I
> wonder if list members are aware of Jesuit sources that reference
> astrology or astrologers in India. Thanks in advance for any leads.
> 
> Martin Gansten
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr  Fri Nov 15 12:34:53 2019
From: kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Agathe Keller)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 19 12:34:53 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jesuits on astrology/astrologers in India?
In-Reply-To: <bc406d51f10175ef190e0c2bde3db68a@imapproxy.vub.ac.be>
Message-ID: <etPan.5dce9b6a.1a9b688e.8c36@univ-paris-diderot.fr>

Dear Martin,

your colleague might be interested in what Dhruv Raina wrote on the topic, and refer to the bibliography in his article:

Raina, Dhruv. 2003. ?Betwixt Jesuit and Enlightenment Historiography: Jean-Sylvain Bailly?s History of Indian Astronomy.? Revue d?Histoire Des Math?matiques 9 (2): 253?306.
Raina, Dhruv. 2010. ?The French Jesuit Manuscripts on Indian Astronomy: The Narratology and Mystery Surrounding a Late Seventeenth ? Early Eighteenth Century Project.? In F.Bretelle-Establet (Ed.) Looking at It from Asia: The Processes That Shaped the Sources of History of Science, 115?140. Boston Studies in the Philosophy of Science, Springer.

best

Agathe

Agathe Keller

tel : +33 1 57 27 68 87

Universit? de Paris
 Laboratoire SPHERE (UMR 7219)








On 15 November 2019 at 12:35:30, jmdelire via INDOLOGY (indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>) wrote:

Dear Martin,

I have been working on a similar subject since some years and I intend
to write a book (not before 2 or 3 years). Unhappily, I am studying only
the French part of it, since many French Jesuits were good astronomers
and either observed the sky in India or got informed there about Indian
astronomy.
The best sources to begin with are :
Le P.Antoine Gaubil S.J., Correspondance de P?kin 1722-1759, publi?e par
Ren?e Simon, Droz, Gen?ve, 1970, and
The biographies of Jesuits by Sommervogel, which appeared in many
volumes. If you are interested by the French connection, I can give you
a list of names.
I also wrote an article on the European astronomers at the court of Jai
Singh II (they were Jesuits) in the Journal des Savants, 2013,
p.175-192.

Best,

Jean Michel


Le 14.11.2019 20:19, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY a ?crit :
> With apologies for cross-posting:
>
> On behalf of a colleague (not an Indologist/South Asianist) who is
> researching the historical attitudes and practices of Jesuits with
> regard to astrology, particularly in the 16th to 17th century, I
> wonder if list members are aware of Jesuit sources that reference
> astrology or astrologers in India. Thanks in advance for any leads.
>
> Martin Gansten
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> or unsubscribe)

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From rpg at berkeley.edu  Fri Nov 15 21:35:30 2019
From: rpg at berkeley.edu (Robert Goldman)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 19 13:35:30 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tenure Track Position in Hindi Language, Literature and Culture
In-Reply-To: <CADcZG1HS3d=X5zg_TmUPWZ3X+4RGqjczh5_e1-ESNRbAG1t2Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF6D10B9-A584-4E95-BFA0-4B75E5E0D8A6@berkeley.edu>

Dear Colleagues,

I am happy to announce a search for a tenure track Assistant Professorship in Hindi Language, Literature and Culture in the Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies at the University of California at Berkeley. The expected start date of the position is July 1, 2020

Those interested in  further information  about the position or in applying for it should consult the attached pdf.  Others are asked to share the advertisement with those who may be interested but may not subscribe to this list.

Best wishes to all,

Dr. R. P.  Goldman
Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South and Southeast Asian Studies
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

> 





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From birendra176 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 06:39:48 2019
From: birendra176 at yahoo.com (Birendra Nath Prasad)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 19 06:39:48 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 82, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <mailman.34.1573750802.10613.indology_list.indology.info@list.indology.info>
Message-ID: <283333908.1800818.1573886388860@mail.yahoo.com>

 
Dear Indology list members,
For an academic purpose, I need the email address of Prof. Giovanni Verardi, who works on archaeology of Buddhism. 
Kindly oblige if you have his email address.
With regards
Dr. Birendra Nath Prasad
Assistant Professor
Centre for Historical Studies
JNU
New Delhi-110067
Email: bnprasad at mail.jnu.ac.in
https://journals.equinoxpub.com/ROSA/article/view/38544
https://jnu.ac.in/content/bnprasad
http://www.jnu.ac.in/Faculty/bnprasad/cv.pdf


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? 1. American Academy of Religion: Session in Hindu Philosophy
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:12:42 +0000
From: "Allen, Michael S (msa2b)" <msa2b at virginia.edu>
To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] American Academy of Religion: Session in Hindu
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Dear Colleagues,

This year the American Academy of Religion will be hosting an exploratory session in Hindu Philosophy at the annual meeting in San Diego. The AAR has long been an important forum for research in Buddhist philosophy, with dedicated units in Buddhist Philosophy, Yog?c?ra, and Buddhist Critical-Constructive Reflection. But there has been no dedicated forum for research in non-Buddhist philosophical traditions of India.

Our hope is to establish a permanent unit in Hindu Philosophy at AAR, and this year's exploratory session is the first step. If you are coming to San Diego, I hope you will consider joining us for our session on Sunday morning, Nov. 24 (full details below). Even if you are only able to come for part of the session, this is still an important way of demonstrating to AAR's Program Committee that there is enough interest to establish a unit. If you are unable to attend but would still like to voice your support for the unit--this includes international colleagues and others who do not regularly attend AAR--feel free to send me an email: <msa2b at virginia.edu>.

The last part of the session will include an open discussion of the future of the unit. Come with thoughts, suggestions, and criticisms. To forestall obvious criticism, I should probably note (in a nod to Buddhist philosophy), that both "Hindu" and "philosophy" are intended as "convenient designators." During the session we can discuss other possible titles for the unit.

Best wishes,
Michael

Michael S. Allen
Assistant Professor
Department of Religious Studies
University of Virginia

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American Academy of Religion, Annual Meeting 2019
Exploratory Session (A24-133)
Theme: Hindu Philosophy

Michael Allen, University of Virginia, Presiding
Sunday, November 24, 9:00 AM-11:30 AM
Hilton Bayfront-Aqua 310A (Third Level)

The goal of this session is to bring together scholars working on Hindu philosophy broadly construed, including not only classical schools but a wide range of traditions from the ancient past to the present day. We hope to gauge interest in the possibility of establishing a unit in Hindu philosophy parallel to the existing unit in Buddhist philosophy. The session will include ample time for discussion not just of the papers but also of the state of the field. The theme is ?Philosophy and Practice.? What relationships can we trace between philosophical traditions and ?lived religion?? To what extent do ?abstract? ideas inform concrete practices? To what extent do everyday practices shape the horizon of philosophical possibilities? From the Vedic period to the twentieth century, from aesthetics to political philosophy: together, the four papers highlight the breadth, the methodological diversity, and the promise of the field of Hindu philosophy.

Laurie Louise Patton, Middlebury College
Watching the Moon Move: What The Imagists Might Ask of the Vedic Poets
Catherine Prueitt, George Mason University
Abhinavagupta on the Transformation of Pain
Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad, Lancaster University
Hearing, Thinking, Contemplation: Revisiting the Advaitic Model of the Accomplishment of Cognition
Nalini Bhushan, Smith College
Gandhi?s Incipient Cosmopolitanism: Glimpses of Enlightenment Aspirations in Gandhi?s Antimodernist Nationalism
Responding:
Parimal Patil, Harvard University




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From peter.schreiner at aoi.uzh.ch  Sat Nov 16 06:45:29 2019
From: peter.schreiner at aoi.uzh.ch (Peter Schreiner)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 19 07:45:29 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Fehlermeldung"
Message-ID: <ac3d8797-c9c1-bc4c-4a30-0355b51d4a8f@aoi.uzh.ch>

My recent message with the above subject was obviously sent to the wrong 
list -- my mistake; and I apologize!

Peter Schreiner

-- 
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Chemin de Boracles 94
1008 Jouxtens-M?zery
Switzerland

Tel. +41-21-635 0365
mobile: +41-76-422 0365
email: peter.schreiner at aoi.uzh.ch






From hellwig7 at gmx.de  Sat Nov 16 11:48:55 2019
From: hellwig7 at gmx.de (Oliver Hellwig)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 19 12:48:55 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New publication
Message-ID: <a3188f11-ae90-b275-301a-a56d1e50ba7c@gmx.de>

Dear all,

I would like to draw your attention to a publication that has just
appeared and may be relevant for those interested in the chronology of
the Mahabharata:
O. Hellwig: Dating Sanskrit texts using linguistic features and neural
networks. In: Indogermanische Forschungen (2019), 1-45

Chapter 5 discusses chronological evidence for the Bhishmaparvan of the
Mbh, including the BhG and the composition of the battle description in
Book 6.

Sorry for the self-advertisement, and best wishes, Oliver

---
Oliver Hellwig, IVS Z?rich





From martingansten at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 19:33:56 2019
From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 19 20:33:56 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jesuits on astrology/astrologers in India?
In-Reply-To: <785BC074-5528-4CD0-A35F-4B425C31F815@hds.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <aa24bc28-0d0a-c993-e350-26948c180360@gmail.com>

Thanks to all who replied to this question. I will forward your comments 
to the colleague concerned.

Best wishes,
Martin Gansten






From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 11:05:04 2019
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 19 12:05:04 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Visnu Purana - Hyraniaksha and the Earth Goddess
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf_JF7K+a2_RzdGwoFciGP09z+4u6+vG-kMtu6cA3Ckdqw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

I am trying to find the verse where is described the episode of the
kidnapping of the Earth by Hyraniaksha.

In the Wilson's edition (1864) it seems the episode of her rescue by Varaha
is framed in Book 1 chapter 4 (pp. 57-61). However, I was unable to find
out the prologue of this episode.

Anyone can point out me VP's verse or other Puranic sources where I can
chek it?

Sincerely,
Paolo

-- 
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*PhD in Asian and African StudiesSouth Asian Studies*

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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Sun Nov 17 17:30:12 2019
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 19 17:30:12 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jesuits on astrology/astrologers in India?
In-Reply-To: <aa24bc28-0d0a-c993-e350-26948c180360@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <527C1C6B-7E5C-496B-90D3-A9DA1C344BE4@uclouvain.be>

See also on astrology and astronomy in Malabar the chapter (19) devoted to the science of the brahmins in the Jesuit Portuguese work, dated ca. 1615 , by
Diogo Gon?alves S. I., Historia do Malavar (Hs. Goa 58 des Arch. Rom. S. I.), ed. Josef Wicki, M?nster: Aschendorff, 1955 (Missionswissenschaftliche Abhandlungen und Texte, 20), p. 27 sv. (see also on the writing, and on the malayalam and Sanskrit languages p. 29-30).
Charles Julius Borges, of the Loyola College (Baltimore), had once the project to translate this very interesting work in English, but no news thereabout.
BW
C

Le 16 nov. 2019 ? 20:33, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a ?crit :

Thanks to all who replied to this question. I will forward your comments to the colleague concerned.

Best wishes,
Martin Gansten


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De: Agathe Keller via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] Jesuits on astrology/astrologers in India?
Date: 15 novembre 2019 ? 13:34:53 UTC+1
?: "indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>" <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
R?pondre ?: Agathe Keller <kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr<mailto:kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr>>

Dear Martin,

your colleague might be interested in what Dhruv Raina wrote on the topic, and refer to the bibliography in his article:

Raina, Dhruv. 2003. ?Betwixt Jesuit and Enlightenment Historiography: Jean-Sylvain Bailly?s History of Indian Astronomy.? Revue d?Histoire Des Math?matiques 9 (2): 253?306.
Raina, Dhruv. 2010. ?The French Jesuit Manuscripts on Indian Astronomy: The Narratology and Mystery Surrounding a Late Seventeenth ? Early Eighteenth Century Project.? In F.Bretelle-Establet (Ed.) Looking at It from Asia: The Processes That Shaped the Sources of History of Science, 115?140. Boston Studies in the Philosophy of Science, Springer.

best

Agathe

Agathe Keller

tel : +33 1 57 27 68 87

Universit? de Paris
 Laboratoire SPHERE (UMR 7219)








On 15 November 2019 at 12:35:30, jmdelire via INDOLOGY (indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>) wrote:

Dear Martin,

I have been working on a similar subject since some years and I intend
to write a book (not before 2 or 3 years). Unhappily, I am studying only
the French part of it, since many French Jesuits were good astronomers
and either observed the sky in India or got informed there about Indian
astronomy.
The best sources to begin with are :
Le P.Antoine Gaubil S.J., Correspondance de P?kin 1722-1759, publi?e par
Ren?e Simon, Droz, Gen?ve, 1970, and
The biographies of Jesuits by Sommervogel, which appeared in many
volumes. If you are interested by the French connection, I can give you
a list of names.
I also wrote an article on the European astronomers at the court of Jai
Singh II (they were Jesuits) in the Journal des Savants, 2013,
p.175-192.

Best,

Jean Michel


Le 14.11.2019 20:19, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY a ?crit :
> With apologies for cross-posting:
>
> On behalf of a colleague (not an Indologist/South Asianist) who is
> researching the historical attitudes and practices of Jesuits with
> regard to astrology, particularly in the 16th to 17th century, I
> wonder if list members are aware of Jesuit sources that reference
> astrology or astrologers in India. Thanks in advance for any leads.
>
> Martin Gansten
>
>
???????????????????
Christophe Vielle<https://uclouvain.be/en/directories/christophe.vielle>
Louvain-la-Neuve





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From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 19 17:48:14 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Ancient numerals and measures in South India - ORI&ML Seminar, University of Kerala, 20th-22th November 2019
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From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 19 18:18:22 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jesuits on astrology/astrologers in India?
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On the Astrologues in Malabar, see also the testimony of Father Jacobo  FENICIO S.J., ca 1600-1609, in The Livro da Seita dos Indios Orientais (Brit. Mus. MS. Sloane 1820) of Father Jacobo Fenicio , S. J., edited with an introduction and notes by Jarl CHARPENTIER, Uppsala: Almqvist & Wiksells, 1933 (Arbeten utgivna med undest?d av Vilhelm Ekmans Universitetsfond, 40), pp. 59 and 115, here:
https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.13132/page/n165

Le 17 nov. 2019 ? 18:30, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a ?crit :

See also on astrology and astronomy in Malabar the chapter (19) devoted to the science of the brahmins in the Jesuit Portuguese work, dated ca. 1615 , by
Diogo Gon?alves S. I., Historia do Malavar (Hs. Goa 58 des Arch. Rom. S. I.), ed. Josef Wicki, M?nster: Aschendorff, 1955 (Missionswissenschaftliche Abhandlungen und Texte, 20), p. 27 sv. (see also on the writing, and on the malayalam and Sanskrit languages p. 29-30).
Charles Julius Borges, of the Loyola College (Baltimore), had once the project to translate this very interesting work in English, but no news thereabout.
BW
C

Le 16 nov. 2019 ? 20:33, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> a ?crit :

Thanks to all who replied to this question. I will forward your comments to the colleague concerned.

Best wishes,
Martin Gansten


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De: Agathe Keller via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] Jesuits on astrology/astrologers in India?
Date: 15 novembre 2019 ? 13:34:53 UTC+1
?: "indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>" <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
R?pondre ?: Agathe Keller <kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr<mailto:kellera at univ-paris-diderot.fr>>

Dear Martin,

your colleague might be interested in what Dhruv Raina wrote on the topic, and refer to the bibliography in his article:

Raina, Dhruv. 2003. ?Betwixt Jesuit and Enlightenment Historiography: Jean-Sylvain Bailly?s History of Indian Astronomy.? Revue d?Histoire Des Math?matiques 9 (2): 253?306.
Raina, Dhruv. 2010. ?The French Jesuit Manuscripts on Indian Astronomy: The Narratology and Mystery Surrounding a Late Seventeenth ? Early Eighteenth Century Project.? In F.Bretelle-Establet (Ed.) Looking at It from Asia: The Processes That Shaped the Sources of History of Science, 115?140. Boston Studies in the Philosophy of Science, Springer.

best

Agathe

Agathe Keller

tel : +33 1 57 27 68 87

Universit? de Paris
 Laboratoire SPHERE (UMR 7219)








On 15 November 2019 at 12:35:30, jmdelire via INDOLOGY (indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>) wrote:

Dear Martin,

I have been working on a similar subject since some years and I intend
to write a book (not before 2 or 3 years). Unhappily, I am studying only
the French part of it, since many French Jesuits were good astronomers
and either observed the sky in India or got informed there about Indian
astronomy.
The best sources to begin with are :
Le P.Antoine Gaubil S.J., Correspondance de P?kin 1722-1759, publi?e par
Ren?e Simon, Droz, Gen?ve, 1970, and
The biographies of Jesuits by Sommervogel, which appeared in many
volumes. If you are interested by the French connection, I can give you
a list of names.
I also wrote an article on the European astronomers at the court of Jai
Singh II (they were Jesuits) in the Journal des Savants, 2013,
p.175-192.

Best,

Jean Michel


Le 14.11.2019 20:19, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY a ?crit :
> With apologies for cross-posting:
>
> On behalf of a colleague (not an Indologist/South Asianist) who is
> researching the historical attitudes and practices of Jesuits with
> regard to astrology, particularly in the 16th to 17th century, I
> wonder if list members are aware of Jesuit sources that reference
> astrology or astrologers in India. Thanks in advance for any leads.
>
> Martin Gansten
>
>
???????????????????
Christophe Vielle<https://uclouvain.be/en/directories/christophe.vielle>
Louvain-la-Neuve



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From jonathanloar1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 18:47:45 2019
From: jonathanloar1 at gmail.com (Jonathan Loar)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 19 13:47:45 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Application open: 2020 Moeson Fellowship (Library of Congress, Asian Division)
Message-ID: <CAOzGMBBSBJFk8yQsxMfkV+nj_b1v5_6k6A9oaZnLjo5UTwZtbw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,



Applications are now being accepted for the Asian Division?s 2020 Florence
Tan Moeson fellowship, which supports a minimum of five business days of
research in the Asian Reading Room of the Library of Congress (Washington,
D.C.). Here?s the link for the online application:
*http://www.loc.gov/rr/asian/ftm.html
<http://www.loc.gov/rr/asian/ftm.html>*.* Deadline is midnight January 31,
2020. *All research trips need to be completed before September 15, 2020.
After notification, Asian Division staff will work with awardees on
scheduling their trip to the Asian Reading Room.



The Moeson fellowship is open to undergraduate and graduate students,
faculty at all levels, librarians, and independent scholars and
researchers. Applications from outside the United States are accepted, but
please be advised that the Library of Congress cannot assist in the
procurement of any visa toward the use of this fellowship. Please share
this announcement far and wide with your contacts.



More info on LC?s Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, South Asian,
Southeast Asian, and Tibetan collections is available on the Asian Reading
Room homepage: *http://www.loc.gov/rr/asian/ <http://www.loc.gov/rr/asian/>*.
The homepage also includes several research guides, including one for the
South Asian collection (*http://www.loc.gov/rr/asian/saguide.html
<http://www.loc.gov/rr/asian/saguide.html>)* and the new LibGuide for South
Asian manuscripts at the Library of Congress (
https://guides.loc.gov/south-asian-manuscripts).



Warm regards,



Jon



Jonathan Loar, Ph.D.

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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 04:39:29 2019
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 19 21:39:29 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] DORA - move against assesment by journal impact-factors
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Ce04SJd-gFJvNfSFHngxbPQw=j-G6nQXohzX=N3MrPQxQ@mail.gmail.com>

The spread of the DORA <https://sfdora.org/> concept is an interesting
development that may come to affect all of us who apply for research
grants.  It looks like the beginning of the death of journal impact-factors
as a measure of academic value.  Hooray.

Best,
Dominik
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk* <http://ualberta.Academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
University of Alberta, Canada


The post below relates to Canada, but it's an international initiative:

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 13:19
Subject: sshrcUofA Tri-Agencies signed DORA agreement!

Canada?s five major national research funders have released a joint
statement re: the San Francisco Declaration on Research Assessment.


*November 13, 2019* - Canada?s five major national research funders are
pleased to join research leaders around the world who are working to
strengthen research excellence by ensuring robust, equitable and impactful
measures of research assessment. CFI, CIHR, Genome Canada, NSERC and SSHRC
have signed the "DORA Agreement" - the San Francisco Declaration on
Research Assessment <https://sfdora.org/>, reaffirming their commitment to
excellence in research evaluation and the importance of knowledge
translation and mobilization.

DORA is a global initiative to support the development and promotion of
best practice in assessment of scholarly research. It aims to address the
negative consequences of unintended overuse of journal publication as a
primary indicator of quality for research output. To date,
1,557 organizations and 15,006 individuals  are signatories to DORA. These
include funders, publishers, professional societies, institutions and
researchers [including yours truly, and other colleagues at UAlberta].

The DORA agreement stipulates that the quality and impact of research
cannot be measured through journal publications alone.

The implications of the DORA principle extend beyond funding agencies'
policies connecting research excellence to research data management
practices <http://www.science.gc.ca/eic/site/063.nsf/eng/h_547652FB.html>, open
access publishing
<http://www.science.gc.ca/eic/site/063.nsf/eng/h_F6765465.html>, the  ethical
conduct of research
<http://www.pre.ethics.gc.ca/eng/policy-politique_tcps2-eptc2_2018.html>,
knowledge
mobilization
<https://www.sshrc-crsh.gc.ca/funding-financement/policies-politiques/knowledge_mobilisation-mobilisation_des_connaissances-eng.aspx>,
and the Tri-Agency Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion (EDI) Action Plan
<https://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/NSERC-CRSNG/EDI-EDI/Action-Plan_Plan-dAction_eng.asp>
,  to local universities' processes for tenure and promotion.
The joint statement is here:



https://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/Media-Media/ProgramNewsDetails-NouvellesDesProgrammesDetails_eng.asp?ID=1103


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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Tue Nov 19 08:48:12 2019
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 19 08:48:12 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: 2nd circular AIOC - 100th Year, 50th Session (final)
In-Reply-To: <8AE1E192-9745-424A-8517-B010B816A6C7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD9CE175-7AAF-4425-8609-B5477EEAD7BD@uclouvain.be>


* ## Registration date is extended till 30/11/19 for AIOC Nagpur session##*

Kavikulaguru  Kalidas Sanskrit University Ramtek is organising 50th session of All India Oriental Conference at Nagpur during 10-12 January 2020. You are heartily welcome for this grand event.
Details of participation are available on
https://aioc100.net<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://aioc100.net&amp;data=02|01||cf7203eeffe347f99cbc08d76cbdaa9f|7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec|0|0|637097436637695446&amp;sdata=cf9vjmEEmzS37wnaIxxu9Y9L/IEaHaNrt8dmX9RdqeQ=&amp;reserved=0>
Registration Fees -
2500/- for Faculty or anyone interested and
1500/- for students
{ Registration fees is inclusive of Registartion Kit, Accomodation & Food for three days 10-12jan20.}
* Now registration facility is available in offline mode also*
You can send DD in the name of Local Secretary, AIOC.
Also you can transfer the money in the AIOC account by UPI/BHIM/Google Pay/Paytm wallet etc.
Bank details -
Name- Local Secretary AIOC
Ac. No. 874410110010614
Bank Of India, Shitalwadi Branch.
IFSC Code -
BKID0008744
*Send the receipt/screenshot of payment along with duly filled registration form* by email or post.
* you can send your abstract on kksuaioc20 at gmail.com<mailto:kksuaioc20 at gmail.com>*

*Note - No spot registration so make hurry.*

Regards,
Dr. Parag B Joshi,
Asst. professor, KKSU,
paragj at kksu.org<mailto:paragj at kksu.org>.



Call for Papers on ?Sanskrit Pedagogy?

All India Oriental Conference (50th session) 2020 will be hosted by Kavikulaguru Kalidas Sanskrit University Ramtek in Nagpur from 10-12 Jan 2020.

A special section on ?Sanskrit Pedagogy? is introduced in the conference. Papers can be presented in Sanskrit, Hindi, English and Marathi. Last Date for Registration is 15 November 2019.

First take AIOC membership (Rs500) on website : http://aioc.mhpravesh.in/StaticPages/HomePage.aspx<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://aioc.mhpravesh.in&amp;data=02|01||fcc12015ec42458d6d9b08d76cbdceb0|7ab090d4fa2e4ecfbc7c4127b4d582ec|0|0|637097434778562905&amp;sdata=IzWZ+Xnz3BuGQaul3qsaOAagsxONB/gkgny8M6tOAik=&amp;reserved=0>

Then submit paper abstract with delicate fee : https://aioc100.net

For any assistance contact Local Secretary through mail and whatsapp
???????????????????
Christophe Vielle<https://uclouvain.be/en/directories/christophe.vielle>
Louvain-la-Neuve





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From sravana.varma at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 15:26:57 2019
From: sravana.varma at gmail.com (Sravana Borkataky-Varma)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 19 09:26:57 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yoga in Theory and Practice Unit at the 2019 AAR in San Diego
Message-ID: <CA+826e8ZsfbvDUi8SejTw0c9=V+D85K2VpsZGTaRNPOUaJV3kA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Members,

You might find the following panels, sponsored by the Yoga in Theory and
Practice Unit, to be of interest as you're planning your schedule for next
weekend's meeting of the AAR.

Please note that the YTP business meeting is scheduled following our panel
on Saturday, 5:30 PM?7:00 PM Hilton Bayfront-Aqua 305 (Third Level).

We look forward to seeing you in San Diego!

Best wishes,

Sravana Borkataky-Varma and Anya Foxen
Chairs, Yoga in Theory and Practice Unit

***

*A23-222*
Hinduism Unit and Religion in South Asia Unit and Yoga in Theory and
Practice Unit
*Theme: A Beautiful Sunset: The Legacy of Gerald James Larson (1938?2019)*
Saturday, 1:00 PM?3:00 PM Convention Center-2 (Upper Level West)

This panel will address the legacy of Gerald James Larson, an
internationally renowned scholar of the philosophies, religions, and
cultures of India, who passed away in April 2019. The panelists will
explore Larson?s contributions, as one of the world?s foremost authorities
on the S??khya and Yoga systems of religious thought, to the development of
S??khya studies and Yoga studies in the academy through his seminal
works *Classical
S??khya: An Interpretation of Its History and Meaning* (1969), *S??khya: A
Dualist Tradition in Indian Philosophy* (1987), and *Yoga: India?s
Philosophy of Meditation* (2008), culminating in *Classical Yoga Philosophy
and the Legacy of S??khya* (2018). The panelists will also reflect on
Larson?s contributions, as a scholar and mentor, to a range of other
fields, including the study of tantric traditions; systems of Indian
medicine; religion, politics, and law in modern India; Indian traditions of
visual arts; and the cross-cultural philosophy of religion.

John Nemec, University of Virginia, *Presiding *

*Panelists:*
Barbara A. Holdrege, University of California, Santa Barbara
Tracy Pintchman, Loyola University, Chicago
Knut Axel Jacobsen, University of Bergen
Lloyd W. Pflueger, Truman State University
Paul E. Muller-Ortega, Blue Throat Yoga
P. Pratap Kumar, University of Kwazulu
Natal David Haberman, Indiana University
Joseph Prabhu, California State University, Los Angeles
Pravrajika Vrajaprana, Vedanta Society of Southern California

***

*A23-445*
Yoga in Theory and Practice Unit
*Theme: Consumption for Transcendence: Foodways, Diet, and Drugs in Yoga
Practice *
Saturday, 5:30 PM?7:00 PM Hilton Bayfront-Aqua 305 (Third Level)

Combining philological, ethical, historical, and ethnographic voices, this
90-minute panel addresses yogic practices of consumption particularly as
they relate to foodways, diet, and drugs. Our approach is purposefully
broad in scope, drawing from both pre-modern and modern sources in order to
initiate a conversation concerning categories of yogic practice that fall
under the umbrella of ?consumption? that have received little focused
attention in yoga studies. Our papers individually and collectively
demonstrate how studying yogic practices of consumption propels yoga
scholarship into a discussion of the relationship between yoga and other
fields of textual inquiry (e.g. ayurvedic, tantric, alchemical) as well as
into an investigation of wider cultural logics wherein we encounter yoga
practitioners in health food stores, eating nationalist food products,
and/or attending ayahuasca retreats in the ethnographic present. This panel
thus also suggests new methodologies for studying the category of ?yoga?
from both theoretical and practical perspectives.

Seth Powell, Harvard University, *Presiding *

Patricia Sauthoff, University of Alberta
*Water As Elixir of Longevity: A Ras?yana Practice from the ?nandakanda *
Jonathan Dickstein, University of California, Santa Barbara
*Before They Were Food: Wasting and Weaponizing Animals in Yoga
Gastropolitics*
Nirinjan Khalsa, Loyola Marymount University
*Creating Healthy, Happy, Holy Yogis through Vegetarianism, Ayurveda, and
Kundalini Yoga*
Christa Kuberry, Yoga Alliance, Arlington, VA
*American Yoga and the Substance of Substances *
Christopher Patrick Miller, Loyola Marymount University
*Yogic Foodways at Kaivalyadham: Achieving Liberation through BioMoral
Consumption*

*Responding:* Stuart R. Sarbacker, Oregon State University
*Business Meeting:* Sravana Borkataky-Varma, University of North Carolina,
Wilmington, and Anya Foxen, California Polytechnic State University,
Presiding

***

*A24-340*
Yoga in Theory and Practice Unit
*Theme: Yoga Across Boundaries: New Technologies and Changing Practices*
Sunday, 3:30 PM?5:00 PM Hilton Bayfront-Sapphire D (Fourth Level)

This roundtable discussion focuses on the impact of current and emerging
technologies on the evolution of various forms of yoga. Specifically, four
presenters will contribute material on: the co-construction of modern yoga
across cyberspaces, the innovative internet business model of YogaGlo,
online Jain yoga, and finally, Yoga Bhavadhara, a new form of modern
postural yoga, which incorporates digital projectors, simulated
environments, and online streaming audio services. The panel also features
two responders, who will add to the discussion from both a more traditional
academic angle, as well as assessing the popular practitioner-oriented and
business dimension of the presentations.

Sravana Borkataky-Varma, University of North Carolina, Wilmington,
*Presiding *

*Panelists:*
Matteo Di Placido, University of Milan - Bicocca
Derek Mills, YogaGlo, Santa Monica, CA
Darren Iammarino, San Diego Mesa College

*Responding:*
Sthaneshwar Timalsina, San Diego State University
Christa Kuberry, Yoga Alliance, Arlington, VA

***

*A25-306*
Buddhism Unit and Law, Religion, and Culture Unit, and Yoga in Theory and
Practice Unit
*Theme: Author-Meets-Critics: Panel Discussion of Debating Yoga and
Mindfulness in Public Schools: Reforming Secular Education or
Reestablishing Religion? (University of North Carolina Press, 2019) by
Candy Gunther Brown*
Monday, 3:30 PM?5:00 PM Convention Center-20A (Upper Level East)

The 2019 publication of *Debating Yoga and Mindfulness in Public Schools:
Reforming Secular Education or Reestablishing Religion?* by Candy Gunther
Brown (University of North Carolina Press), the conference theme Scholarly
Workers in Public Spaces, and our location in San Diego constitute a
remarkable convergence. In the 2013 court case *Sedlock v. Baird*, parents
sued San Diego?s Encinitas Union School District for indoctrinating
children in Hinduism and Buddhism by teaching Ashtanga yoga and
mindfulness. Both parties enlisted religious studies scholars, among them
Brown, as expert witnesses. Brown draws on experience in *Sedlock* and
three additional legal challenges to assess ethical and legal implications,
foregrounding values of respect for cultural and religious diversity,
informed consent, transparency, and voluntarism. This author-meets-critics
panel facilitates conversation among scholars who have been involved and/or
analyzed the stakes when yoga and mindfulness are practiced and debated in
public spaces. It seeks to model civic discourse across difference.

Richard K. Payne, Graduate Theological Union, *Presiding*

*Panelists: *
Andrea Jain, Indiana University - Purdue University, Indianapolis
David McMahan, Franklin and Marshall College
Ronald Purser, San Francisco State University
Steven Green, Willamette University

*Responding:* Candy Gunther Brown, Indiana University

---
Dr. Sravana Borkataky-Varma
Faculty
Religious Studies Program

University of Houston

Co-Chair, American Academy of Religion, Yoga in Theory and Practice


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From nakeerthi at gmail.com  Wed Nov 20 17:17:37 2019
From: nakeerthi at gmail.com (naresh keerthi)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 19 19:17:37 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Dharma=C5=9Barm=C4=81bhyudaya_-_request_for_help?=
Message-ID: <CACcR+FAyk1hCEE5o9mxG9ad4Buj9-2myyrt3mUR74dHMmz05mQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,



I am currently reading the Pannalal Jain edition of the Dharma?arm?bhyudaya
mah?k?vya (details below). However, it is missing a few pages, and some
pages are blurry. I would be grateful if a kind colleague with access to a
copy, could scan the following pages and share them.



Faulty pages  ? 38-40, 52-53, 60-61, 70, 128-129, 264, 275-276, 279, 321.



 Dharma?arm?bhyudaya of Haricandra: Pannalal Jain (Ed.). (1971). *Mah**?**kavi
Haricandra Viracita Dharma**?**arm**?**bhyudaya - Pa**??**ita Ya**?**ask**?*
*rtik**?**ta Sa**?**sk**?**ta T**?**k**?** Sahita**m*. Delhi: Bh?rat?ya
J??nap??ha Prak??ana.



Thanks in advance,

Naresh Keerthi


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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Fri Nov 22 13:07:00 2019
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 19 13:07:00 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] question about the bow in Kavya literature
Message-ID: <EA8F815D502BC14097213C5D85BA1C655C2AE3F7@SPMXM07.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>

Dear list members,
I would like to know if after Emeneau's article on the composite bow of 1953 other studies have appeared on this subject. I am in particular interested in the bow in K?vya literature.
With kind regards, Herman

Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>


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From palaniappa at aol.com  Fri Nov 22 22:30:11 2019
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 19 16:30:11 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Controversy over a Muslim Scholar Teaching Sanskrit at BHU
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The following news stories may be of interest to the members of the list.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/21/india-muslim-sanskrit-professor-forced-to-flee-by-hindu-students 

 

https://theprint.in/talk-point/bhu-controversy-whats-the-problem-with-a-muslim-scholar-teaching-sanskrit/321677/

 

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From r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org  Sun Nov 24 01:16:33 2019
From: r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 14:16:33 +1300
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?New_Publication_--_Gaffney,_sKyes_pa_rabs_kyi_gle_g=C5=BAi_(J=C4=81takanid=C4=81na):_English_translation?=
Message-ID: <d2084c144acede87c5cde0be15ae16f3bc9777c9.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org>

Dear colleagues,

I am pleased to announce the publication of the following:

Gaffney, Sean (2019) sKyes pa rabs kyi gle? g?i (J?takanid?na):
Prologue to the Birth Stories: an English translation of a critical
edition based on six editions of the Tibetan bKa' 'gyur. Indica et
Buddhica J?takanid?na, v. 2.

This is the second of three volumes. Details on the project can be
found here:

sKyes pa rabs kyi gle? g?i: Edition, Translation and Study
https://indica-et-buddhica.org/authors/publications/gaffney-sean

Details on the English translation can be found here:

sKyes pa rabs kyi gle? g?i (J?takanid?na): English translation
https://indica-et-buddhica.org/gaffney-jatakanidana-english-translation

An open access PDF --replicating the hardcover-- is freely available
for download from Indica et Buddhica. (In a few days it will also be
available from the National Library of New Zealand.)

ISBN (PDF): 978-0-473-50261-4



With best regards,

  Richard



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From rhododaktylos at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 02:17:18 2019
From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 02:17:18 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Call for Abstracts: Special Panel on Sanskrit Syntax (WSC 2021)
Message-ID: <CAEjEOsBuwpXTFV2M0QZF6N6_cCZJyuQfnJT3S4kaHHezQtaCug@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,


Please find below the Call for Abstracts for a Special Panel on Sanskrit
Syntax at the 2021 World Sanskrit Conference in Canberra.


If you have any queries, please direct them to me at
antonia.ruppel at ling-phil.ox.ac.uk.


Many thanks

  in the name of the panel convenors

      Antonia



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Call for Abstracts for a Special Panel on Sanskrit Syntax at the 18th World
Sanskrit Conference in Canberra, January 18-22, 2021


(Conference Website: https://www.wsc2021.com.au)


As noted by Hock (2015), syntax continues to receive less scholarly
attention than other aspects of Sanskrit linguistics, and this is
particularly true of the post-Vedic language. At the same time, an
increasing number of scholars have begun to integrate the methods and
advances of modern theoretical syntax with the study of Sanskrit, and the
increasing availability of digitized Sanskrit corpora (e.g. via GRETIL,
SARIT, TITUS) means that it is becoming more feasible to make precise
statements and valid generalisations about Sanskrit syntax.

Now more than ever, research on Sanskrit syntax is able to move beyond the
descriptive accounts of the past to precise, formalised explanations.
Moreover, syntactic research can now take account of more fine-grained
differences than previously identifiable, for example between texts of
different periods and genres, as well as within texts.



To compare results and methodologies and to consider how to best advance
this area in the context of the WSC 2021 theme ?Future Directions?, we are
particularly interested in papers addressing the following topics:



- The benefits and challenges of applying modern theoretical syntax to
Sanskrit;

- Evidence for syntactic change and variation between different forms of
Sanskrit;

- Semantic influences on syntactic patterns in Sanskrit;

- Genre differences, both across and within texts.



Please submit a 500-word abstract by the March 31 deadline to



http://www.wsc2021.com.au/activity/abstract-submission/



Panel Convenors:

Prof. John Lowe, Dr Adriana Molina Mu?oz, Dr Antonia Ruppel (University of
Oxford)

Prof. H. H. Hock (University of Illinois)

Dr. Eystein Dahl (The Arctic University of Norway, Troms?)


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From nakeerthi at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 16:34:34 2019
From: nakeerthi at gmail.com (naresh keerthi)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 18:34:34 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Dharma=C5=9Barm=C4=81bhyudaya_-_request_for_help?=
In-Reply-To: <CACcR+FAyk1hCEE5o9mxG9ad4Buj9-2myyrt3mUR74dHMmz05mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACcR+FCAFVU43KSavh2EkpEu3SQ815kLfoC0+WfUe7HG3NP-JA@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to Frank Koehler who sent me scans of the missing pages,  and
thanks also to the others who offered to make scans. I now have the
complete text of the Pannalal Jain edition.


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From adheesh1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 18:23:21 2019
From: adheesh1 at gmail.com (adheesh sathaye)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 10:23:21 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Search for One-Year Visiting Assistant Professor/Lecturer Position in Hindu Traditions at Harvard Divinity School
Message-ID: <FFCEA496-6258-452F-A798-03A8AB8BF000@gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues: 

The Indology Steering Committee is pleased to post the following advertisement on the request of the Office of Academic Affairs at the Harvard Divinity School. Please send all inquiries to their email address - academicaffairs at hds.harvard.edu, and not to the list or the Indology Committee.

??

Harvard Divinity School is pleased to announce a search for a One-Year Visiting Assistant Professor or Lecturer Position in Hindu Traditions.  The job description and the application submission page can be found here: https://academicpositions.harvard.edu/postings/9395.

Questions can be emailed to academicaffairs at hds.harvard.edu.  

??

 With best wishes,

?
Adheesh Sathaye
University of British Columbia









From adheesh1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 18:39:05 2019
From: adheesh1 at gmail.com (adheesh sathaye)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 10:39:05 -0800
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Depictions_of_yoga_in_k=C4=81vya?=
In-Reply-To: <69202B8D-AB73-4341-929B-826A61CF58A9@uclouvain.be>
Message-ID: <83E65365-4B39-4872-B6EB-9C2592668907@gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues:

I would like to offer my sincere gratitude for all of your valuable resources and suggestions with regard to k?vya-based depictions of yoga, and related scholarship. It has given the student much to work with, and we are hopeful that it might prove to be a fruitful area of investigation for an MA thesis. We are compiling a bibliography based on your suggestions, and will post the results to the list. 

Thanks again for all of your thoughtful responses,

with best wishes,
Adheesh

?
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Associate Professor of Sanskrit Literature and South Asian Folklore 
Dept. of Asian Studies || University of British Columbia
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From finnian_moore-gerety at brown.edu  Sun Nov 24 21:34:27 2019
From: finnian_moore-gerety at brown.edu (Finnian M.M. Gerety)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 16:34:27 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
Message-ID: <79C0266F-41BB-4388-95E2-F6EA8C78AC4E@brown.edu>

Hi all?
A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay, review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much appreciated. 

Yours,

Finnian M.M. Gerety
Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
[Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for Contemporary South Asia
Brown University
www.finniangerety.com <http://finniangerety.com/>










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From james.hartzell at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 22:07:10 2019
From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 23:07:10 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <79C0266F-41BB-4388-95E2-F6EA8C78AC4E@brown.edu>
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One might look at the work of Ferdinand de Saussure as a start.  His students compiled his lectures notes into a book (in French), and careful examination of his foundational ideas about semiotics and language suggest (at least to me) that they bear a remarkable resemblance to Bhartrhari's schemas about language. de Saussure was also a professor of Sanskrit. 

> On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:35, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all?
> A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay, review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much appreciated. 
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Finnian M.M. Gerety
> Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
> [Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for Contemporary South Asia
> Brown University
> www.finniangerety.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Sun Nov 24 23:08:29 2019
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 23:08:29 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <60CF354C-12E7-4E38-BD87-9E33B6141A88@gmail.com>
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The late Frits Staal?s Word Order in Sanskrit and Universal Grammar, and his edited volume,A Reader on the Sanskrit Grammarians, may be useful here.

There is also quite a lot in Cardona, J. and Jain, D., Eds., The Indo Aryan Languages, 2nd Edition, Routledge Taylor and Francis Group, London and New York.

Good luck,
Matthew Kapstein

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Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:07:10 PM
To: Finnian M.M. Gerety <finnian_moore-gerety at brown.edu>
Cc: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics

One might look at the work of Ferdinand de Saussure as a start.  His students compiled his lectures notes into a book (in French), and careful examination of his foundational ideas about semiotics and language suggest (at least to me) that they bear a remarkable resemblance to Bhartrhari's schemas about language. de Saussure was also a professor of Sanskrit.

On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:35, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

?Hi all?
A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay, review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much appreciated.

Yours,

Finnian M.M. Gerety
Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
[Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for Contemporary South Asia
Brown University
www.finniangerety.com<http://finniangerety.com/>








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From brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca  Sun Nov 24 23:20:03 2019
From: brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca (Brendan S. Gillon, Prof.)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 23:20:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <79C0266F-41BB-4388-95E2-F6EA8C78AC4E@brown.edu>
Message-ID: <07dffccd-a9c8-5a12-eb4c-14e614f9667d@mcgill.ca>

I think the best place to start is the book, Sanskrit Syntax, edited by Peter Scharf, which contains a number of articles, but most pertinently, a bibliography of works on Sanskrit syntax by Hans Hock.

Cordially yours,

Brendan Gillon

On 2019-11-24 4:34 p.m., Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY wrote:
Hi all?
A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay, review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much appreciated.

Yours,

Finnian M.M. Gerety
Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
[Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for Contemporary South Asia
Brown University
www.finniangerety.com<http://finniangerety.com/>











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From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 23:24:36 2019
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 19 18:24:36 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR11MB3766C29BB639D34F6608D4FAA14B0@BYAPR11MB3766.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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Correction: Cardona, G. And Jain D., Eds.

> On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> The late Frits Staal?s Word Order in Sanskrit and Universal Grammar, and his edited volume,A Reader on the Sanskrit Grammarians, may be useful here.
> 
> There is also quite a lot in Cardona, J. and Jain, D., Eds., The Indo Aryan Languages, 2nd Edition, Routledge Taylor and Francis Group, London and New York.
> 
> Good luck,
> Matthew Kapstein
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of James Hartzell via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:07:10 PM
> To: Finnian M.M. Gerety <finnian_moore-gerety at brown.edu>
> Cc: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
>  
> One might look at the work of Ferdinand de Saussure as a start.  His students compiled his lectures notes into a book (in French), and careful examination of his foundational ideas about semiotics and language suggest (at least to me) that they bear a remarkable resemblance to Bhartrhari's schemas about language. de Saussure was also a professor of Sanskrit. 
> 
>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:35, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi all?
>> A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay, review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much appreciated. 
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Finnian M.M. Gerety
>> Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
>> [Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for Contemporary South Asia
>> Brown University
>> www.finniangerety.com <http://finniangerety.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 04:14:49 2019
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 19 09:44:49 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <C0D723C1-3EF5-4C3B-8B38-50E42D7C401D@gmail.com>
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Bloomfield and P?nini
M. B. Emeneau
Language
Vol. 64, No. 4 (Dec., 1988), pp. 755-760
https://www.jstor.org/stable/414567?seq=1
Bloomfield and the Sanskrit Origin of the Terms Exocentric and Endocentric
Dominik Wujastyk
https://www.academia.edu/232728/Bloomfield_and_the_Sanskrit_Origin_of_the_Terms_Exocentric_and_Endocentric




On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:55 AM Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Correction: Cardona, G. And Jain D., Eds.
>
> On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> The late Frits Staal?s Word Order in Sanskrit and Universal Grammar, and
> his edited volume,A Reader on the Sanskrit Grammarians, may be useful here.
>
> There is also quite a lot in Cardona, J. and Jain, D., Eds., The Indo
> Aryan Languages, 2nd Edition, Routledge Taylor and Francis Group, London
> and New York.
>
> Good luck,
> Matthew Kapstein
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of James
> Hartzell via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:07:10 PM
> *To:* Finnian M.M. Gerety <finnian_moore-gerety at brown.edu>
> *Cc:* indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
>
> One might look at the work of Ferdinand de Saussure as a start.  His
> students compiled his lectures notes into a book (in French), and careful
> examination of his foundational ideas about semiotics and language suggest
> (at least to me) that they bear a remarkable resemblance to Bhartrhari's
> schemas about language. de Saussure was also a professor of Sanskrit.
>
> On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:35, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> ?Hi all?
> A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay,
> review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern
> linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from
> this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much
> appreciated.
>
> Yours,
>
> Finnian M.M. Gerety
> Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
> [Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for
> Contemporary South Asia
> Brown University
> www.finniangerety.com <http://finniangerety.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 04:22:22 2019
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 19 09:52:22 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eabxcSEjRR1i=ngiZq5eRd3mJta3H0PwedZ3aZztNixBA@mail.gmail.com>
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H S Ananthanarayana " The Karaka Theory and the Case Grammar" Indian
Linguistics 31 (1970) 14-17

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:44 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Bloomfield and P?nini
> M. B. Emeneau
> Language
> Vol. 64, No. 4 (Dec., 1988), pp. 755-760
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/414567?seq=1
> Bloomfield and the Sanskrit Origin of the Terms Exocentric and Endocentric
>
> Dominik Wujastyk
>
> https://www.academia.edu/232728/Bloomfield_and_the_Sanskrit_Origin_of_the_Terms_Exocentric_and_Endocentric
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:55 AM Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Correction: Cardona, G. And Jain D., Eds.
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> The late Frits Staal?s Word Order in Sanskrit and Universal Grammar, and
>> his edited volume,A Reader on the Sanskrit Grammarians, may be useful here.
>>
>> There is also quite a lot in Cardona, J. and Jain, D., Eds., The Indo
>> Aryan Languages, 2nd Edition, Routledge Taylor and Francis Group, London
>> and New York.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Matthew Kapstein
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>> James Hartzell via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:07:10 PM
>> *To:* Finnian M.M. Gerety <finnian_moore-gerety at brown.edu>
>> *Cc:* indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>
>> One might look at the work of Ferdinand de Saussure as a start.  His
>> students compiled his lectures notes into a book (in French), and careful
>> examination of his foundational ideas about semiotics and language suggest
>> (at least to me) that they bear a remarkable resemblance to Bhartrhari's
>> schemas about language. de Saussure was also a professor of Sanskrit.
>>
>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:35, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi all?
>> A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay,
>> review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern
>> linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from
>> this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Finnian M.M. Gerety
>> Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
>> [Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for
>> Contemporary South Asia
>> Brown University
>> www.finniangerety.com <http://finniangerety.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>>
>> Elliot M. Stern
>> 552 South 48th Street
>> Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
>> emstern1948 at gmail.com
>> 267-240-8418
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 04:27:37 2019
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 19 09:57:37 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eYmWm8Hf3i_rBC+bRg+=9xSHq-HCEuVXY8=0NHMTiTD9w@mail.gmail.com>
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Jan E.M. Houben, ?Bhartrhari as a ?Cognitive Linguist?.?
In: Bhartrhari : Language,Thought and Reality
 (Proceedings of the International Seminar, Delhi, December 12-14,2003)
(ed. by M. Chaturvedi) : 523-543. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 2009.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:52 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> H S Ananthanarayana " The Karaka Theory and the Case Grammar" Indian
> Linguistics 31 (1970) 14-17
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:44 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bloomfield and P?nini
>> M. B. Emeneau
>> Language
>> Vol. 64, No. 4 (Dec., 1988), pp. 755-760
>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/414567?seq=1
>> Bloomfield and the Sanskrit Origin of the Terms Exocentric and Endocentric
>>
>> Dominik Wujastyk
>>
>> https://www.academia.edu/232728/Bloomfield_and_the_Sanskrit_Origin_of_the_Terms_Exocentric_and_Endocentric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:55 AM Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Correction: Cardona, G. And Jain D., Eds.
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> The late Frits Staal?s Word Order in Sanskrit and Universal Grammar, and
>>> his edited volume,A Reader on the Sanskrit Grammarians, may be useful here.
>>>
>>> There is also quite a lot in Cardona, J. and Jain, D., Eds., The Indo
>>> Aryan Languages, 2nd Edition, Routledge Taylor and Francis Group, London
>>> and New York.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Matthew Kapstein
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>>> James Hartzell via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:07:10 PM
>>> *To:* Finnian M.M. Gerety <finnian_moore-gerety at brown.edu>
>>> *Cc:* indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>
>>> One might look at the work of Ferdinand de Saussure as a start.  His
>>> students compiled his lectures notes into a book (in French), and careful
>>> examination of his foundational ideas about semiotics and language suggest
>>> (at least to me) that they bear a remarkable resemblance to Bhartrhari's
>>> schemas about language. de Saussure was also a professor of Sanskrit.
>>>
>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:35, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Hi all?
>>> A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay,
>>> review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern
>>> linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from
>>> this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Finnian M.M. Gerety
>>> Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
>>> [Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for
>>> Contemporary South Asia
>>> Brown University
>>> www.finniangerety.com <http://finniangerety.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>>
>>> Elliot M. Stern
>>> 552 South 48th Street
>>> Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
>>> emstern1948 at gmail.com
>>> 267-240-8418
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 04:28:45 2019
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 19 09:58:45 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eaGn3xZ7jGLvmpR2g6JCpSEscYWNFL-qDwQV9OW=U79Mg@mail.gmail.com>
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I am sorry, I didn't know that it was going to get pasted that big.

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:57 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jan E.M. Houben, ?Bhartrhari as a ?Cognitive Linguist?.?
> In: Bhartrhari : Language,Thought and Reality
>  (Proceedings of the International Seminar, Delhi, December 12-14,2003)
> (ed. by M. Chaturvedi) : 523-543. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 2009.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:52 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> H S Ananthanarayana " The Karaka Theory and the Case Grammar" Indian
>> Linguistics 31 (1970) 14-17
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:44 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bloomfield and P?nini
>>> M. B. Emeneau
>>> Language
>>> Vol. 64, No. 4 (Dec., 1988), pp. 755-760
>>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/414567?seq=1
>>> Bloomfield and the Sanskrit Origin of the Terms Exocentric and
>>> Endocentric
>>> Dominik Wujastyk
>>>
>>> https://www.academia.edu/232728/Bloomfield_and_the_Sanskrit_Origin_of_the_Terms_Exocentric_and_Endocentric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:55 AM Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Correction: Cardona, G. And Jain D., Eds.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The late Frits Staal?s Word Order in Sanskrit and Universal Grammar,
>>>> and his edited volume,A Reader on the Sanskrit Grammarians, may be useful
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> There is also quite a lot in Cardona, J. and Jain, D., Eds., The Indo
>>>> Aryan Languages, 2nd Edition, Routledge Taylor and Francis Group, London
>>>> and New York.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>> Matthew Kapstein
>>>>
>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>>>> James Hartzell via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:07:10 PM
>>>> *To:* Finnian M.M. Gerety <finnian_moore-gerety at brown.edu>
>>>> *Cc:* indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>
>>>> One might look at the work of Ferdinand de Saussure as a start.  His
>>>> students compiled his lectures notes into a book (in French), and careful
>>>> examination of his foundational ideas about semiotics and language suggest
>>>> (at least to me) that they bear a remarkable resemblance to Bhartrhari's
>>>> schemas about language. de Saussure was also a professor of Sanskrit.
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:35, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Hi all?
>>>> A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay,
>>>> review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern
>>>> linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from
>>>> this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much
>>>> appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>>
>>>> Finnian M.M. Gerety
>>>> Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
>>>> [Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for
>>>> Contemporary South Asia
>>>> Brown University
>>>> www.finniangerety.com <http://finniangerety.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Elliot M. Stern
>>>> 552 South 48th Street
>>>> Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
>>>> emstern1948 at gmail.com
>>>> 267-240-8418
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 04:40:09 2019
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 19 10:10:09 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eZD4AaFVYE6OMk0vJz38qsAc6cf8kgnodOG4+N4k_FC8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eYi_39377fp8GVrED9mp7hGVAVHP4=RggtQwhumde3nLw@mail.gmail.com>

Shah, K.J., "Bhartrihari and Wittgenstein" in *Perspectives on the
Philosophy of Meaning* (Vol. I, No. 1. New Delhi.)1/1 (1990): 80-95.

?In Search of Derrida?s Intellectual Forefather: Reading Derridean
Deconstruction against the Backdrop of Nagarjuna?s Philosophy?
https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/56529/7/07_chapter%201.pdf


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:58 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am sorry, I didn't know that it was going to get pasted that big.
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:57 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Jan E.M. Houben, ?Bhartrhari as a ?Cognitive Linguist?.?
>> In: Bhartrhari : Language,Thought and Reality
>>  (Proceedings of the International Seminar, Delhi, December 12-14,2003)
>> (ed. by M. Chaturvedi) : 523-543. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 2009.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:52 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> H S Ananthanarayana " The Karaka Theory and the Case Grammar" Indian
>>> Linguistics 31 (1970) 14-17
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:44 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bloomfield and P?nini
>>>> M. B. Emeneau
>>>> Language
>>>> Vol. 64, No. 4 (Dec., 1988), pp. 755-760
>>>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/414567?seq=1
>>>> Bloomfield and the Sanskrit Origin of the Terms Exocentric and
>>>> Endocentric
>>>> Dominik Wujastyk
>>>>
>>>> https://www.academia.edu/232728/Bloomfield_and_the_Sanskrit_Origin_of_the_Terms_Exocentric_and_Endocentric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:55 AM Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Correction: Cardona, G. And Jain D., Eds.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:08 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The late Frits Staal?s Word Order in Sanskrit and Universal Grammar,
>>>>> and his edited volume,A Reader on the Sanskrit Grammarians, may be useful
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is also quite a lot in Cardona, J. and Jain, D., Eds., The Indo
>>>>> Aryan Languages, 2nd Edition, Routledge Taylor and Francis Group, London
>>>>> and New York.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>> Matthew Kapstein
>>>>>
>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>>>>> James Hartzell via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:07:10 PM
>>>>> *To:* Finnian M.M. Gerety <finnian_moore-gerety at brown.edu>
>>>>> *Cc:* indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>>>
>>>>> One might look at the work of Ferdinand de Saussure as a start.  His
>>>>> students compiled his lectures notes into a book (in French), and careful
>>>>> examination of his foundational ideas about semiotics and language suggest
>>>>> (at least to me) that they bear a remarkable resemblance to Bhartrhari's
>>>>> schemas about language. de Saussure was also a professor of Sanskrit.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:35, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <
>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Hi all?
>>>>> A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay,
>>>>> review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern
>>>>> linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from
>>>>> this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>
>>>>> Finnian M.M. Gerety
>>>>> Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
>>>>> [Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for
>>>>> Contemporary South Asia
>>>>> Brown University
>>>>> www.finniangerety.com <http://finniangerety.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>> committee)
>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>> committee)
>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Elliot M. Stern
>>>>> 552 South 48th Street
>>>>> Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
>>>>> emstern1948 at gmail.com
>>>>> 267-240-8418
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>> committee)
>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>
>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
>>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>>>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From hhhock at illinois.edu  Mon Nov 25 13:21:31 2019
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 19 13:21:31 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <79C0266F-41BB-4388-95E2-F6EA8C78AC4E@brown.edu>
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There is also an older publication: Modern studies in Sanskrit, ed. by R. Singh et al., 75-92. New Delhi: Bahri, 1988.

HHH


On 24 Nov2019, at 16:34, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Hi all?
A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay, review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much appreciated.

Yours,

Finnian M.M. Gerety
Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
[Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for Contemporary South Asia
Brown University
www.finniangerety.com<http://finniangerety.com/>








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From drdj at austin.utexas.edu  Mon Nov 25 19:40:38 2019
From: drdj at austin.utexas.edu (Donald R Davis)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 19 19:40:38 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Numbers attached to territories in pre-modern South Asia
Message-ID: <SN6PR06MB492809D83D27E903272362C08C4A0@SN6PR06MB4928.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Indology colleagues,

I?m forwarding an inquiry from Prof. Sumit Guha in our History department. He is looking for explanations of numerically named territorial units, especially in epigraphical or other dated historical sources from the medieval and early modern periods roughly. His description is below, but he emphasizes that ?village? is not a natural entity. He is interested in ?mental maps? and the imposition of categories on territory.

We know about roughly similar numerical mentions in Arthasastra and Manu, e.g. Manu 7.115?119: da???a, vi??at??a, ?ate?a, sahasrapati. If anyone has further, especially later, suggestions for him, I?d appreciate the help.

Thanks,

Don Davis
Dept. of Asian Studies
University of Texas at Austin



Looking over V.V. Mirashi ed. C.I.I. vol. VI: Inscriptions of the Silaharas and previously also in Kadamb ed. Sources for the History of the Kadambas of Goa: Inscriptions I noticed that several territorial units are referred to by name-number combinations. (Mirashi, i-i, viii).

Mirashi suggests these refer to the number of villages (9000, 14000) in each region.
In the 17th century, the sub-division of Sashti near Mumbai was said to derived from Sanskrit 66.

In general, settlements in heavy rainfall regions such as Bengal and the West coast of India, villages were an administrative and fiscal creation (like the English parish).
If indeed these were villages, it suggests a degree of royal administrative penetration to the locality. The Mughals for example lacked maps, but compiled village lists  (deh-ba-dehi) to identify their lands. On the other hand, they might just be conventional or poetic. The British Imperial Gazetteers enumerates villages, but then adds that some of these were purely administrative units.

I would be grateful for your opinion!
many thanks, Sumit



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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 26 04:28:35 2019
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 19 04:28:35 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Numbers attached to territories in pre-modern South Asia
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Please consult the following work:

Schmiedchen, Annette. 2014. Herrschergenealogie und religi?ses Patronat: die Inschriftenkultur der R???rak??as, ?il?h?ras und Y?davas (8. bis 13. Jahrhundert). Gonda Indological Studies 17. Leiden: Brill.

As I recall, it contains rather elaborate discussion of the phenomenon in question.

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths



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Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 7:40 PM
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Subject: [INDOLOGY] Numbers attached to territories in pre-modern South Asia


Dear Indology colleagues,



I?m forwarding an inquiry from Prof. Sumit Guha in our History department. He is looking for explanations of numerically named territorial units, especially in epigraphical or other dated historical sources from the medieval and early modern periods roughly. His description is below, but he emphasizes that ?village? is not a natural entity. He is interested in ?mental maps? and the imposition of categories on territory.



We know about roughly similar numerical mentions in Arthasastra and Manu, e.g. Manu 7.115?119: da???a, vi??at??a, ?ate?a, sahasrapati. If anyone has further, especially later, suggestions for him, I?d appreciate the help.



Thanks,



Don Davis

Dept. of Asian Studies

University of Texas at Austin







Looking over V.V. Mirashi ed. C.I.I. vol. VI: Inscriptions of the Silaharas and previously also in Kadamb ed. Sources for the History of the Kadambas of Goa: Inscriptions I noticed that several territorial units are referred to by name-number combinations. (Mirashi, i-i, viii).



Mirashi suggests these refer to the number of villages (9000, 14000) in each region.

In the 17th century, the sub-division of Sashti near Mumbai was said to derived from Sanskrit 66.



In general, settlements in heavy rainfall regions such as Bengal and the West coast of India, villages were an administrative and fiscal creation (like the English parish).

If indeed these were villages, it suggests a degree of royal administrative penetration to the locality. The Mughals for example lacked maps, but compiled village lists  (deh-ba-dehi) to identify their lands. On the other hand, they might just be conventional or poetic. The British Imperial Gazetteers enumerates villages, but then adds that some of these were purely administrative units.



I would be grateful for your opinion!

many thanks, Sumit




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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 06:06:12 2019
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 19 11:36:12 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <BAE1B994-9951-44DC-9E88-69A0F1217A76@illinois.edu>
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https://www.academia.edu/40757643/Language_Meaning_and_Use_in_Indian_Philosophy_An_Introduction_to_Mukulas_Fundamentals_of_the_Communicative_Function


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:52 PM Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> There is also an older publication: Modern studies in Sanskrit, ed. by R.
> Singh et al., 75-92. New Delhi: Bahri, 1988.
>
> HHH
>
>
> On 24 Nov2019, at 16:34, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Hi all?
> A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay,
> review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern
> linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from
> this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much
> appreciated.
>
> Yours,
>
> Finnian M.M. Gerety
> Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
> [Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for
> Contemporary South Asia
> Brown University
> www.finniangerety.com <http://finniangerety.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
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From daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 15:28:20 2019
From: daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com (Daniela Rossella)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 19 16:28:20 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book
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Delighted to inform you all about my new book: 


Buddhismo al femminile
Ther?g?th?
Le Poesie spirituali delle monache
Con una introduzione alla dottrina del Buddha
e la storia dell?ordine monastico delle donne

The book will be on sale from January 16 also on Amazon etc.

Best, Daniela


Daniela Rossella
piazza Buzzati, 5
43122 Parma
0521773854
3383198904
daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com






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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 16:43:05 2019
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 19 22:13:05 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book
In-Reply-To: <AE325D42-4255-4859-9F60-825B6A505AE8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eZfOjLWe-7wmh6Gp3kSqH-=8kT+YQRwGZ3yObjRoo4Hdw@mail.gmail.com>

Feminine Buddhism Ther?g?th? The spiritual poems of the nuns With an
introduction to the doctrine of the Buddha and the history of the monastic
order of women

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 8:59 PM Daniela Rossella via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> Delighted to inform you all about my new book:
>
>
> *Buddhismo al femminile*
> *Ther?g?th?*
> Le Poesie spirituali delle monache
> Con una introduzione alla dottrina del Buddha
> e la storia dell?ordine monastico delle donne
>
> The book will be on sale from January 16 also on Amazon etc.
>
>
> Best, Daniela
>
>
> Daniela Rossella
> piazza Buzzati, 5
> 43122 Parma
> 0521773854
> 3383198904
> daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com
>
>
>
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From daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 17:25:04 2019
From: daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com (Daniela Rossella)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 19 18:25:04 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book - Sorry, I forgot the publishing house...
Message-ID: <5322B7F3-C0F0-48FC-977E-3D0FF221D1C6@gmail.com>

Buddhismo al femminile
Ther?g?th?
Le Poesie spirituali delle monache
Con una introduzione alla dottrina del Buddha
e la storia dell?ordine monastico delle donne

Publishing House: Guerini e Associati, Milano


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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Wed Nov 27 03:43:30 2019
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 03:43:30 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book - Sorry, I forgot the publishing house...
Message-ID: <1574826020.S.73889.autosave.drafts.1574826210.5767@webmail.rediffmail.com>

Thank you very much for announcing the publication of your book.However, I would like to knowwhether any English version of the book will be forthcoming.Alakendu Das.

Sent from RediffmailNG on Android




From: Daniela Rossella via INDOLOGY &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt;
Sent: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 22:55:52 GMT+0530
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Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book - Sorry, I forgot the publishing house...

 Buddhismo al femminileTher?g?th?Le Poesie spirituali delle monacheCon una introduzione alla dottrina del Buddhae la storia dell?ordine monastico delle donne
Publishing House: Guerini e Associati, Milano  
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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 27 05:42:49 2019
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 05:42:49 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] good (colonial-period?) maps of the Tripura/Chittagong/Arakan area
Message-ID: <AM0PR09MB4161A987812F62EAB37189E0A5440@AM0PR09MB4161.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>

Dear colleagues,

I am looking at some early (ca. 8th-century) and partly unpublished inscriptions from the Chittagong area and at the roughly contemporary material from Arakan in Burma (alias Rakhine in Myanmar). One of the striking toponymic elements recurring in sources of this period is -lakka (P?lakka, Naulakka, Kalakka ? maybe a toponym Ku?ukka is also connected to this set). It has been proposed that P?lakka would be the modern site of Pilak in Tripura (see references below). It would be nice to be able to identify at least one or two more of these toponyms with modern places. For this I need maps, as detailed and as old as possible. Does anyone have suggestions on where and how to obtain these? (Preferably without my needing to trek to the British Library or such.)

If anyone has more to say on toponyms in -(la)kka, I will be curious to learn about it.

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths
?cole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient (EFEO)


Ghosh, Suchandra. 2019. ?Understanding the Economic Networks and Linkages of an Expanded Harikela.? In From Mountain Fastness to Coastal Kingdoms?: Hard Money and ?Cashless? Economies in the Medieval Bay of Bengal World, edited by John Deyell and Rila Mukherjee, 77?108. London: Routledge. https://doi.org/10.4324/9780367816889.
Mitra, Debala. 1976. ?Antiquities of Pilak and Jolaibari, Tripura.? Journal of the Asiatic Society 18: 56?77.







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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 05:53:27 2019
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 11:23:27 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] good (colonial-period?) maps of the Tripura/Chittagong/Arakan area
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR09MB4161A987812F62EAB37189E0A5440@AM0PR09MB4161.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/British_India_map_of_Northeast_India_and_Myanmar%2C_Bengal_Assam_Meghalaya_Arunachal_Pradesh_Nagaland_Manipur_Mizoram_Tripura_regions_1891.jpg


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/India_railways1909a.jpg

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:13 AM Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> I am looking at some early (ca. 8th-century) and partly unpublished
> inscriptions from the Chittagong area and at the roughly contemporary
> material from Arakan in Burma (alias Rakhine in Myanmar). One of the
> striking toponymic elements recurring in sources of this period is -lakka
> (P?lakka, Naulakka, Kalakka ? maybe a toponym Ku?ukka is also connected to
> this set). It has been proposed that P?lakka would be the modern site of
> Pilak in Tripura (see references below). It would be nice to be able to
> identify at least one or two more of these toponyms with modern places. For
> this I need maps, as detailed and as old as possible. Does anyone have
> suggestions on where and how to obtain these? (Preferably without my
> needing to trek to the British Library or such.)
>
> If anyone has more to say on toponyms in -(la)kka, I will be curious to
> learn about it.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Arlo Griffiths
> ?cole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient (EFEO)
>
>
> Ghosh, Suchandra. 2019. ?Understanding the Economic Networks and Linkages
> of an Expanded Harikela.? In *From Mountain Fastness to Coastal
> Kingdoms?: Hard Money and ?Cashless? Economies in the Medieval Bay of
> Bengal World*, edited by John Deyell and Rila Mukherjee, 77?108. London:
> Routledge. https://doi.org/10.4324/9780367816889.
> Mitra, Debala. 1976. ?Antiquities of Pilak and Jolaibari, Tripura.? *Journal
> of the Asiatic Society* 18: 56?77.
>
>
>
>
>
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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 27 06:01:44 2019
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 06:01:44 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] good (colonial-period?) maps of the Tripura/Chittagong/Arakan area
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9ea+Rp__V39fuXEeN6MfWenYcMZs5bCj1EVSUQXPCck0nA@mail.gmail.com>
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thanks, but this is extremely far removed from the kind of scale one would need to do research in historical geography of the region in question, especially for identifying any examples of toponymic persistence from the 8th century into the present (or at least into the colonial period). I am looking for survey maps at 1:20.000.

AG





________________________________
From: Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 5:53 AM
To: Arlo Griffiths <arlogriffiths at hotmail.com>
Cc: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] good (colonial-period?) maps of the Tripura/Chittagong/Arakan area

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/British_India_map_of_Northeast_India_and_Myanmar%2C_Bengal_Assam_Meghalaya_Arunachal_Pradesh_Nagaland_Manipur_Mizoram_Tripura_regions_1891.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/India_railways1909a.jpg

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:13 AM Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,

I am looking at some early (ca. 8th-century) and partly unpublished inscriptions from the Chittagong area and at the roughly contemporary material from Arakan in Burma (alias Rakhine in Myanmar). One of the striking toponymic elements recurring in sources of this period is -lakka (P?lakka, Naulakka, Kalakka ? maybe a toponym Ku?ukka is also connected to this set). It has been proposed that P?lakka would be the modern site of Pilak in Tripura (see references below). It would be nice to be able to identify at least one or two more of these toponyms with modern places. For this I need maps, as detailed and as old as possible. Does anyone have suggestions on where and how to obtain these? (Preferably without my needing to trek to the British Library or such.)

If anyone has more to say on toponyms in -(la)kka, I will be curious to learn about it.

Best wishes,

Arlo Griffiths
?cole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient (EFEO)


Ghosh, Suchandra. 2019. ?Understanding the Economic Networks and Linkages of an Expanded Harikela.? In From Mountain Fastness to Coastal Kingdoms?: Hard Money and ?Cashless? Economies in the Medieval Bay of Bengal World, edited by John Deyell and Rila Mukherjee, 77?108. London: Routledge. https://doi.org/10.4324/9780367816889.
Mitra, Debala. 1976. ?Antiquities of Pilak and Jolaibari, Tripura.? Journal of the Asiatic Society 18: 56?77.





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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )





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From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 11:36:42 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] good (colonial-period?) maps of the Tripura/Chittagong/Arakan area
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Such maps are available in sites like

http://www.surveyofindia.gov.in/pages/display/118-antique-maps

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:31 AM Arlo Griffiths <arlogriffiths at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> thanks, but this is extremely far removed from the kind of scale one would
> need to do research in historical geography of the region in question,
> especially for identifying any examples of toponymic persistence from the
> 8th century into the present (or at least into the colonial period). I am
> looking for survey maps at 1:20.000.
>
> AG
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2019 5:53 AM
> *To:* Arlo Griffiths <arlogriffiths at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] good (colonial-period?) maps of the
> Tripura/Chittagong/Arakan area
>
>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/British_India_map_of_Northeast_India_and_Myanmar%2C_Bengal_Assam_Meghalaya_Arunachal_Pradesh_Nagaland_Manipur_Mizoram_Tripura_regions_1891.jpg
>
>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/India_railways1909a.jpg
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:13 AM Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I am looking at some early (ca. 8th-century) and partly unpublished
> inscriptions from the Chittagong area and at the roughly contemporary
> material from Arakan in Burma (alias Rakhine in Myanmar). One of the
> striking toponymic elements recurring in sources of this period is -lakka
> (P?lakka, Naulakka, Kalakka ? maybe a toponym Ku?ukka is also connected to
> this set). It has been proposed that P?lakka would be the modern site of
> Pilak in Tripura (see references below). It would be nice to be able to
> identify at least one or two more of these toponyms with modern places. For
> this I need maps, as detailed and as old as possible. Does anyone have
> suggestions on where and how to obtain these? (Preferably without my
> needing to trek to the British Library or such.)
>
> If anyone has more to say on toponyms in -(la)kka, I will be curious to
> learn about it.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Arlo Griffiths
> ?cole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient (EFEO)
>
>
> Ghosh, Suchandra. 2019. ?Understanding the Economic Networks and Linkages
> of an Expanded Harikela.? In *From Mountain Fastness to Coastal
> Kingdoms?: Hard Money and ?Cashless? Economies in the Medieval Bay of
> Bengal World*, edited by John Deyell and Rila Mukherjee, 77?108. London:
> Routledge. https://doi.org/10.4324/9780367816889.
> Mitra, Debala. 1976. ?Antiquities of Pilak and Jolaibari, Tripura.? *Journal
> of the Asiatic Society* 18: 56?77.
>
>
>
>
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> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 06:51:59 2019
From: daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com (Daniela Rossella)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 07:51:59 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book
Message-ID: <4D5030CD-0591-4BDB-B2B9-C0954CABED62@gmail.com>


Really, I do not know! The permission from the publisher (https://guerini.it/) is required and necessary.
But thank you so much for the question!

Love, Daniela

>> Da: "alakendu das" <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>
>> Data: 27 novembre 2019 04:43:30 CET
>> A: "daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com" <daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Indology List" <indology at list.indology.info>
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you very much for announcing the publication of your book.However, I would like to know whether any English version of the book will be forthcoming.
>> Alakendu Das.
>> 
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 09:40:33 2019
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 10:40:33 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Passing of Walter Spink
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4+TsNvPrJiHJLaT+usASwZU6ucTEkcRZZYJZTn6JUCEtw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues
I just received the following:
https://cavesofindia.org/2019/11/26/prof-spink/

Jonathan

-- 
J. Silk
Leiden University
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
2311 BZ Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
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From vjroebuck at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 27 10:17:19 2019
From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie Roebuck)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 10:17:19 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dharmapada Bibliography
Message-ID: <1A1FA13F-1F47-4450-AC63-293B6214EDA6@btinternet.com>

Dear Colleagues

This is to let you know that my Bibliography of the Dhammapada/Dharmapada/Ud?navarga literature has now been published by the OUP at https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com <https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/>.

I am extremely grateful to colleagues on this list for help in working on this project, which at times took me well outside my academic comfort zone. I am sorry that the set format did not allow any way for me to acknowledge your contributions, which have made a great deal of difference to the work.

The OUP Blibliographies are an ongoing project, to be kept up to date by their compilers, so please contact me with any corrections, or notices of relevant publications.

With thanks to this great community -

Valerie J Roebuck
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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Wed Nov 27 10:46:21 2019
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 10:46:21 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book
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An English translation of the Ther?g?th? was done by Charles Hallesey and published in the Murty Library by Harvard.




On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Daniela Rossella via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:



Really, I do not know! The permission from the publisher (https://guerini.it/) is required and necessary.

But thank you so much for the question!

Love, Daniela

Da: "alakendu das" <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
Data: 27 novembre 2019 04:43:30 CET
A: "daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com<mailto:daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com>" <daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com<mailto:daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com>>
Cc: "Indology List" <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>


Thank you very much for announcing the publication of your book.However, I would like to know whether any English version of the book will be forthcoming.
Alakendu Das.

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From daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 11:54:25 2019
From: daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com (Daniela Rossella)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 12:54:25 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book
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Of course, dearest Professor Olivelle! Thanks for reminding us of Hallesey?s translation. Not to mention Norman?s oeuvre.

In my work I present also the (compelling, enthralling, and at time troubled) story/history of the birth of the Order of the nuns (bhikkhun?-sa?gha), and a summary of the Buddha?s teachings.
Two useful additions, I hope...

With the highest esteem, Yours Daniela




Il giorno 27/nov/2019, alle ore 11:46, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu> ha scritto:

> An English translation of the Ther?g?th? was done by Charles Hallesey and published in the Murty Library by Harvard.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Daniela Rossella via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Really, I do not know! The permission from the publisher (https://guerini.it/) is required and necessary.
>> But thank you so much for the question!
>> 
>> Love, Daniela
>> 
>>>> Da: "alakendu das" <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>
>>>> Data: 27 novembre 2019 04:43:30 CET
>>>> A: "daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com" <daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "Indology List" <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you very much for announcing the publication of your book.However, I would like to know whether any English version of the book will be forthcoming.
>>>> Alakendu Das.
>>>> 
>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Daniela Rossella
>> piazza Buzzati, 5
>> 43122 Parma
>> 0521773854
>> 3383198904
>> daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 17:51:36 2019
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 10:51:36 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dharmapada Bibliography
In-Reply-To: <1A1FA13F-1F47-4450-AC63-293B6214EDA6@btinternet.com>
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On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 03:18, Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues
>
> ...
>
> The OUP Blibliographies are an ongoing project, to be kept up to date by
> their compilers, so please contact me with any corrections, or notices of
> relevant publications.
>
>
>

The OUP Bibliographies is an amazing project and the standard is very
high.  The materials are endlessly useful and important for students,
particularly.  However, I do not like or agree with OUP's policy about
continuing updates.  Yes, obviously the bibliographies should be revised
and updated from time to time.  But the amount of work that goes into these
bibliographies is huge and severely under-resourced by OUP.   First, the
payment they offer for the original work is completely out of proportion to
the weeks of work that goes into it.  But more shocking is that they offer
little or nothing for the labour of updating these bibliographies.  This is
extremely specialized work.  In any other professional field it would be
very expensive.  Imagine asking a lawyer to "update" some legal
documentation, for example.  The rate would be several hundreds of dollars
per hour.

OUP asked me to update my bibliography and, after some discussion, I
refused because the terms were insultingly meagre.  I think they offered a
couple of free books.  In the real world of professionalism, this would buy
about thirty minutes of time.

I'm not really interested in the money per se.  But it's plain unethical of
OUP to profiteer on our backs like this.  Finally, if all the money goes to
publishers and their investors, it's not going to students and
researchers.  OUP makes noises about being a university press and being
dedicated to research etc., but their business model is not distinguishable
from the most rapacious profiteers.

Best,
Dominik


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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Wed Nov 27 17:52:11 2019
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 17:52:11 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book
Message-ID: <1574877003.S.43294.autosave.drafts.1574877131.5592@webmail.rediffmail.com>

Professor Olivelle,Thank you very much for the information.Alakendu Das.

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From: "Olivelle, J P" &lt;jpo at austin.utexas.edu&gt;
Sent: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:16:29 GMT+0530
To: Daniela Rossella &lt;daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New book

 


 

An English translation of the Ther?g?th? was done by Charles Hallesey and published in the Murty Library by Harvard.











On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Daniela Rossella via INDOLOGY &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt; wrote:







Really, I do not know! The permission from the publisher (https:uerini.it/) is required&nbsp;and necessary.

But thank you so much for the question!



Love, Daniela






Da:&nbsp;"alakendu das" &lt;mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com&gt;

Data:&nbsp;27 novembre 2019 04:43:30 CET

A:&nbsp;"daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com" &lt;daniela.rossella.ghezzi at gmail.com&gt;

Cc:&nbsp;"Indology List" &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt;








Thank you very much for announcing the publication of your book.However, I would like to know whether any English version of the book will be forthcoming.
Alakendu Das.








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From yogacara at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 18:15:35 2019
From: yogacara at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 13:15:35 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dharmapada Bibliography
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cdu8vwAn38tMCT7YeqhnkwcRt1mtCBGf8a3y-5nfKMZWA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dominik and colleagues,

I couldn?t agree more. In addition to minimal remuneration, they offer authors 6 months of free access to the bibliography, after which one either has to pay for a subscription to one?s own work as well the rest of the bibliography, or be at an institution that has a subscription. Their business model may be said to support scholarship, but not scholars. But they are not alone in this dynamic. Sadly, it is all too routine in our profession.

But while singling out Oxford Univ. Press, let me add the following. Recently they published a translation of the fundamental Chinese Buddhist text, Treatise on Awakening Mah?y?na Faith (sometimes just called Awakening of Faith in English), which John Jorgensen, John Makeham, Mark Strange and I worked on for several years. At the annual American Academy of Religion meeting in San Diego, from which I?ve just returned, when I looked for the book at the Oxford display in the book fair, I couldn?t find it either on display or on their sale book list.  I asked them why the book wasn?t there. They hadn?t heard of it (ok, they do have a large inventory), and it took them a few minutes to locate the title on their electronic devices, confirming that the official release date for the book was October 1st. They apologized; I said we?ve all lost a great opportunity. They said people could buy it online ? kind of missing the point.

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/treatise-on-awakening-mahyna-faith-9780190297718?q=treatise%20on%20awakening%20mahayana%20faith&lang=en&cc=us

We had hoped that colleagues who recognize the central importance of the Awakening of Faith for East Asian Buddhism for the last 1500 years, but were loath to inflict Hakeda?s translation on students, would adopt our translation for classroom use. A display copy would have allowed people to make an informed determination on that account.

Dominik?s efforts on this list and elsewhere to challenge the business practices living off our labors that seek to minimally remunerate us, the workers, while enriching themselves, are deeply appreciated by many, myself included. Thank you, Dominik.

best,
Dan

> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 03:18, Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Dear Colleagues
> 
> ...
> 
> The OUP Blibliographies are an ongoing project, to be kept up to date by their compilers, so please contact me with any corrections, or notices of relevant publications.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The OUP Bibliographies is an amazing project and the standard is very high.  The materials are endlessly useful and important for students, particularly.  However, I do not like or agree with OUP's policy about continuing updates.  Yes, obviously the bibliographies should be revised and updated from time to time.  But the amount of work that goes into these bibliographies is huge and severely under-resourced by OUP.   First, the payment they offer for the original work is completely out of proportion to the weeks of work that goes into it.  But more shocking is that they offer little or nothing for the labour of updating these bibliographies.  This is extremely specialized work.  In any other professional field it would be very expensive.  Imagine asking a lawyer to "update" some legal documentation, for example.  The rate would be several hundreds of dollars per hour.
> 
> OUP asked me to update my bibliography and, after some discussion, I refused because the terms were insultingly meagre.  I think they offered a couple of free books.  In the real world of professionalism, this would buy about thirty minutes of time.
> 
> I'm not really interested in the money per se.  But it's plain unethical of OUP to profiteer on our backs like this.  Finally, if all the money goes to publishers and their investors, it's not going to students and researchers.  OUP makes noises about being a university press and being dedicated to research etc., but their business model is not distinguishable from the most rapacious profiteers.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
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From jknutson at hawaii.edu  Wed Nov 27 18:46:24 2019
From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 19 08:46:24 -1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dharmapada Bibliography
In-Reply-To: <CE1FBE63-3BF7-4184-8435-942A0F4D1107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAiVBEXKy1FFsnnNNtS03g9jsLGVZcrnSUGPGxK0z9aCizxi7A@mail.gmail.com>

Agree so wholeheartedly. I did a Jayadeva bibliography, and wrote about 10
abusive emails in the process about how they should not make extensive,
virtually unpaid labor the center of their model (though offered that bit
of advice completely free).

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019, 8:16 AM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dominik and colleagues,
>
> I couldn?t agree more. In addition to minimal remuneration, they offer
> authors 6 months of free access to the bibliography, after which one either
> has to pay for a subscription to one?s own work as well the rest of the
> bibliography, or be at an institution that has a subscription. Their
> business model may be said to support scholarship, but not scholars. But
> they are not alone in this dynamic. Sadly, it is all too routine in our
> profession.
>
> But while singling out Oxford Univ. Press, let me add the following.
> Recently they published a translation of the fundamental Chinese Buddhist
> text, Treatise on Awakening Mah?y?na Faith (sometimes just called Awakening
> of Faith in English), which John Jorgensen, John Makeham, Mark Strange and
> I worked on for several years. At the annual American Academy of Religion
> meeting in San Diego, from which I?ve just returned, when I looked for the
> book at the Oxford display in the book fair, I couldn?t find it either on
> display or on their sale book list.  I asked them why the book wasn?t
> there. They hadn?t heard of it (ok, they do have a large inventory), and it
> took them a few minutes to locate the title on their electronic devices,
> confirming that the official release date for the book was October 1st.
> They apologized; I said we?ve all lost a great opportunity. They said
> people could buy it online ? kind of missing the point.
>
>
> https://global.oup.com/academic/product/treatise-on-awakening-mahyna-faith-9780190297718?q=treatise%20on%20awakening%20mahayana%20faith&lang=en&cc=us
>
> We had hoped that colleagues who recognize the central importance of the
> Awakening of Faith for East Asian Buddhism for the last 1500 years, but
> were loath to inflict Hakeda?s translation on students, would adopt our
> translation for classroom use. A display copy would have allowed people to
> make an informed determination on that account.
>
> Dominik?s efforts on this list and elsewhere to challenge the business
> practices living off our labors that seek to minimally remunerate us, the
> workers, while enriching themselves, are deeply appreciated by many, myself
> included. Thank you, Dominik.
>
> best,
> Dan
>
> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 03:18, Valerie Roebuck via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The OUP Blibliographies are an ongoing project, to be kept up to date by
>> their compilers, so please contact me with any corrections, or notices of
>> relevant publications.
>>
>>
>>
>
> The OUP Bibliographies is an amazing project and the standard is very
> high.  The materials are endlessly useful and important for students,
> particularly.  However, I do not like or agree with OUP's policy about
> continuing updates.  Yes, obviously the bibliographies should be revised
> and updated from time to time.  But the amount of work that goes into these
> bibliographies is huge and severely under-resourced by OUP.   First, the
> payment they offer for the original work is completely out of proportion to
> the weeks of work that goes into it.  But more shocking is that they offer
> little or nothing for the labour of updating these bibliographies.  This is
> extremely specialized work.  In any other professional field it would be
> very expensive.  Imagine asking a lawyer to "update" some legal
> documentation, for example.  The rate would be several hundreds of dollars
> per hour.
>
> OUP asked me to update my bibliography and, after some discussion, I
> refused because the terms were insultingly meagre.  I think they offered a
> couple of free books.  In the real world of professionalism, this would buy
> about thirty minutes of time.
>
> I'm not really interested in the money per se.  But it's plain unethical
> of OUP to profiteer on our backs like this.  Finally, if all the money goes
> to publishers and their investors, it's not going to students and
> researchers.  OUP makes noises about being a university press and being
> dedicated to research etc., but their business model is not distinguishable
> from the most rapacious profiteers.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
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From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 02:30:21 2019
From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 19 08:00:21 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Indian journals' database - Ideas of India website
In-Reply-To: <524712951.4694916.1574655063056@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADSGPzUOxa9SZsXPuLTPqCReGvYzxYXNz0JRRVQhiP30QnLiAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear scholars,
The trailing mail may be of interest to most of you.
This website has digitized ToC of most of Indologic journals between
1837-1947.

https://www.ideasofindia.org/


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: 'shankara' via ??????????????????? <bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019, 09:41
Subject: {???????????????????} Indian journals' database - Ideas of India
website
To: BHARATIYA VIDVAT PARISHAT <bvparishat at googlegroups.com>


Namaste,

*Ideas of India* database, launched today by Rahul Sagar, indexes the
contents of 255 English-language periodicals that Indian intellectuals,
scholars, and statesmen published between 1837-1947.

The list of periodicalss is impressive and includes several journals that
may interest Indologists such as Annals of BORI, Asiatic Review, Asiatic
Society Journal, Brahmavadin, Central Hindu College magazine, Deccan
College Quarterly, etc.

https://www.ideasofindia.org/

regards
shankara

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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 06:31:06 2019
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 19 12:01:06 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit and Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eZDrQviKJa2Ap-yophuXrN6TJ5PFJ8haqLsU+f95NeZ3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eZP-d=oBY8dgkqBhYj294MKCXEQa-A+=m-+XPW27H0JMw@mail.gmail.com>

This just reached me through my Academia.edu feed:

https://www.academia.edu/20796015/Paninis_Grammar_and_Modern_Computation?

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 11:36 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> https://www.academia.edu/40757643/Language_Meaning_and_Use_in_Indian_Philosophy_An_Introduction_to_Mukulas_Fundamentals_of_the_Communicative_Function
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:52 PM Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> There is also an older publication: Modern studies in Sanskrit, ed. by
>> R. Singh et al., 75-92. New Delhi: Bahri, 1988.
>>
>> HHH
>>
>>
>> On 24 Nov2019, at 16:34, Finnian M.M. Gerety via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all?
>> A colleague has asked me to recommend scholarship (monograph, essay,
>> review article) that provides an overview on the nexus of Sanskrit, modern
>> linguistics, and/or the philosophy of language. Any recommendations from
>> this list?especially works accessible to the non-specialist?would be much
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Finnian M.M. Gerety
>> Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
>> [Affiliated] Faculty of Contemplative Studies and Center for
>> Contemporary South Asia
>> Brown University
>> www.finniangerety.com <http://finniangerety.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>


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BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
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From Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au  Thu Nov 28 22:12:46 2019
From: Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au (Greg Bailey)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 19 22:12:46 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Ships going from England to India in the early 19th century
Message-ID: <DA0690C2.39F7D%greg.bailey@latrobe.edu.au>

Dear List,

I don?t know if anyone can help me with this question out of left field.

A friend is trying to find information on one Frederick Taylor who was involved in massacres of Australian aborigines (there is a Wikipedia entry on this).  Apparently he was in India in the 1820s and had connections in the East India company.

I am not sure how to access the old East India records?now part of the British Library?as these might be of some use.  If anyone can enlighten me on this it would be very much appreciated.

Cheers,

Greg Bailey



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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Fri Nov 29 07:29:07 2019
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 19 07:29:07 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Ships going from England to India in the early 19th century
In-Reply-To: <DA0690C2.39F7D%greg.bailey@latrobe.edu.au>
Message-ID: <EA8F815D502BC14097213C5D85BA1C655C2BA1FB@SPMXM07.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>

Dear Greg
For my Ondaatje book I used the following link

https://www.nationaalarchief.nl/onderzoeken/index/nt00444/d11086aa-c864-11e6-9d8b-00505693001d

It contains information on persons (mainly personnel) on board of VOC ships sailing to Cape Town, Indonesia (Indie) and further to the east. I assume that similar information is available for ships sailing from Britain. I think you should ask the question on another forum, namely that of colonial historians.

With the best wishes, Herman


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Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Greg Bailey via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
Verzonden: donderdag 28 november 2019 23:12
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Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Ships going from England to India in the early 19th century

Dear List,

I don?t know if anyone can help me with this question out of left field.

A friend is trying to find information on one Frederick Taylor who was involved in massacres of Australian aborigines (there is a Wikipedia entry on this).  Apparently he was in India in the 1820s and had connections in the East India company.

I am not sure how to access the old East India records?now part of the British Library?as these might be of some use.  If anyone can enlighten me on this it would be very much appreciated.

Cheers,

Greg Bailey



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From tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de  Fri Nov 29 14:02:46 2019
From: tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de (tatiana.oranskaia)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 19 15:02:46 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Indian journals' database - Ideas of India website
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Message-ID: <20191129150246.Horde.8iDLWjTPo3MLWBMvCr_GhM_@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>

Dear Dr. Patel,

Thank you very much indeed for sharing this valuable link!

With best wishes,
Tatiana Oranskaia

Zitat von Dhaval Patel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>:

> Dear scholars,
> The trailing mail may be of interest to most of you.
> This website has digitized ToC of most of Indologic journals between
> 1837-1947.
>
> https://www.ideasofindia.org/
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: 'shankara' via ??????????????????? <bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019, 09:41
> Subject: {???????????????????} Indian journals' database - Ideas of India
> website
> To: BHARATIYA VIDVAT PARISHAT <bvparishat at googlegroups.com>
>
>
> Namaste,
>
> *Ideas of India* database, launched today by Rahul Sagar, indexes the
> contents of 255 English-language periodicals that Indian intellectuals,
> scholars, and statesmen published between 1837-1947.
>
> The list of periodicalss is impressive and includes several journals that
> may interest Indologists such as Annals of BORI, Asiatic Review, Asiatic
> Society Journal, Brahmavadin, Central Hindu College magazine, Deccan
> College Quarterly, etc.
>
> https://www.ideasofindia.org/
>
> regards
> shankara
>
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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Fri Nov 29 16:11:43 2019
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rocher, Rosane D)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 19 16:11:43 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Ships going from England to India in the early 19th century
In-Reply-To: <DA0690C2.39F7D%greg.bailey@latrobe.edu.au>
Message-ID: <3002f8ac-6eaa-c4ac-1c80-ea9750d16b62@sas.upenn.edu>

Dear Greg,

The EIC records in the British Library have a whole series (L/MAR/B) of ship logs, which usually record passengers' names.  Note, however, that these are only for East Indiamen (i.e. EIC ships).  Private ships are not included, and, given that Frederick Taylor appears to have been a businessman, he may well have traveled by private ship.

The Asiatic Journal, which can be read online, included notices of passengers on ships bound for India and arriving from India.  I don't know if those included ships other than East Indiamen, but it might be a good place to start, if only to find the date of Taylor's departure.  The EIC ship logs in the BL are not just a few volumes, but a library.

Good luck,
Rosane

On 11/28/19 5:12 PM, Greg Bailey via INDOLOGY wrote:
Dear List,

I don?t know if anyone can help me with this question out of left field.

A friend is trying to find information on one Frederick Taylor who was involved in massacres of Australian aborigines (there is a Wikipedia entry on this).  Apparently he was in India in the 1820s and had connections in the East India company.

I am not sure how to access the old East India records?now part of the British Library?as these might be of some use.  If anyone can enlighten me on this it would be very much appreciated.

Cheers,

Greg Bailey




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