[INDOLOGY] [Archiving Open Access publications] Re: question about a soliciation from publisher MDPI

Thu Mar 28 08:36:31 UTC 2019

A small correction,
not all the directors are bad, the majority I have seen are bad.

On Thu 28 Mar, 2019, 2:05 PM Krishnaprasad G, <krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am scared to to tell this, that is, not all the commercial publishing
> houses will be started only for profit or wealth maximization.
> But as already discussed profit making businesses are in plenty.
>
> I have started a publishing house 2 years back, to help the community. I
> was not happy with the "Research institutes" already performing. Because I
> am fed up seeing the bad "Directors" and  of whom the tastes are shallow
> and a misconception about what isresearch and what is not.
> But my institute is not "not-for-profit organization" this is because I
> don't have much contacts with academic politicians and hence I will not be
> funded. Another reason being is  The Companies Act is very strict and
> complex and bound by the rules to start non-profit organization.
>
> However the profit margin for all the works I do is very nominal. So that
> even a poorest Sanskrit student could be able to afford it.
>
> For instance (I am receiving many mails from Indology list asking the
> details about font availability, hence writing this wouldn't be irrelevant)
> The fonts are developed by the professionals and. And my I am selling them
> for just INR 1150 (One thousand one hundred and fifty) approx 14 USD and
> this payment is for life time and no hidden costs etc.
>  (I am not sure whether USD 14 is cheap in all the countries, however in
> India 1150 for 3 font families with 3 weights each, is pretty cheap,
> because Unicode compatible fonts are not sold this cheap in the history)
>
> I will shortly publish my website and post the other projects like
> Raghuvamsa with Charitravardhana commentary, Apte Dictionary apps with zero
> errors, Sanskrit Thesaurus etc. But all these with very nominal price I
> sell them. The reason being for not having high profit motive is that,  I
> have  different plan for my bread and butter. This publishing is my
> passion. But still I sell them only, I  need to reach the break even.
>
> I hope I will be supported by all.
>
> Krishna Prasad.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu 28 Mar, 2019, 1:14 PM Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY, <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Richard,
>> First, I'm sure all are grateful for this source, and this avenue is
>> interesting. But I do wonder about something, since you state that the
>> publication is Open Access.
>> The copyright notice nevertheless is the conventional:
>> "© Copyright 2018 Sean D. Gaffney. All rights reserved.The Author
>> asserts their moral rights in respect of this work,including their right
>> to be identified as author"
>> According to my understanding, "all rights reserved" means that the
>> publication, despite having been posted for free download, is not in fact
>> Open Access. But perhaps after all I am quite wrong about this; it
>> certainly would be neither the first nor the last time!
>> Best, Jonathan
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 1:39 AM Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica <
>> rmahoney at fastmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jonathan,
>>>
>>> With the agreement of authors and editors, all monographs, editions
>>> and proceedings that I publish will be available in an Open Access
>>> edition to coincide with the initial print release.
>>>
>>> It is relatively easy to ensure the long term availability of the Open
>>> Access edition. Both physical and electronic copies are deposited --
>>> Legal Deposit-- with the National Library of New Zealand.
>>>
>>> The upshot, for example, is that this recently published edition is
>>> available to borrow or to download:
>>>
>>> Gaffney, Sean (2018) sKyes pa rabs kyi gleṅ gźi (Jātakanidāna): a
>>> critical edition based on six editions of the Tibetan bKa' 'gyur.
>>> Indica et Buddhica Jātakanidāna, v. 1. Oxford: Indica et Buddhica
>>> Publishers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Borrow:
>>>
>>> http://bit.ly/2Ywyg9U
>>>
>>> https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay
>>> ?docid=NLNZ_ALMA21311447700002836&context=L&vid=NLNZ&search_scope=NLNZ&
>>> tab=catalogue&lang=en_US
>>> <https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=NLNZ_ALMA21311447700002836&context=L&vid=NLNZ&search_scope=NLNZ&tab=catalogue&lang=en_US>
>>>
>>> Download:
>>>
>>> http://bit.ly/2FDVSki
>>>
>>> https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay
>>> ?docid=NLNZ_ALMA21311447560002836&context=L&vid=NLNZ&search_scope=NLNZ&
>>> tab=catalogue&lang=en_US
>>> <https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=NLNZ_ALMA21311447560002836&context=L&vid=NLNZ&search_scope=NLNZ&tab=catalogue&lang=en_US>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
>>>
>>> Littledene  Bay Road  Oxford  NZ
>>> T: +6433121699  M: +64210640216
>>> r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org
>>>
>>> http://indica-et-buddhica.org/
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> Reply-to: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
>>> To: Dan Lusthaus <prajnapti at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] question about a soliciation from publisher
>>> MDPI
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 01:03:46 +0200
>>>
>>> Dear Dan
>>> I hope I am not seen as a shill for publishers, but I would like to
>>> point out that what you say is not quite right. How are contributions
>>> to be found? How is their continued presence to be assured? How are
>>> materials to be distributed? There are many more questions like this
>>> that your brief explanation omits, but that are vital. All of us have
>>> experienced multiple times a 404 message when following a link to an
>>> article or contribution of interest. If we want our publications to
>>> last, this is not a viable model. This statement is not a positive
>>> assertion of what is in fact the optimal model, but it does point out a
>>> weakness in your questioning. I think that there are some viable
>>> options out there, but it's not nearly as simple as you suggest.
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:11 PM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <indology at lis
>>> t.indology.info> wrote:
>>> > While on that subject, our entire profession is fiscally backward. It
>>> > is not just in regard to publications. Would a carpenter or plumber
>>> > pay you to come to your house to build or fix something? But we pay
>>> > hefty fees to go to conferences to present our research. Soon we will
>>> > all be paying to publish our work through “reputable” media.
>>> >
>>> > As for publishers, profit is necessary to stay in business, so as
>>> > hardcopies become increasingly vestigial, and free online material
>>> > increasingly available, who is the profit going to come from? And the
>>> > “free” part of online access is soon to disappear as well. The
>>> > profit, of course, goes to the publishers. Royalties are a tiny
>>> > percentage of what the book makes. The cost of producing a volume,
>>> > which, once typeset (and some of us end up doing camera-ready) is
>>> > just the cost of paper, ink, and delivery. E-versions, which don’t
>>> > even cost that — just server space — are now the same price as
>>> > hardcopy. At the recent AAS (Association of Asian Studies) the
>>> > decrease in the number of publishers displaying wares, and the
>>> > smaller booths rented by them, and the fewer actual items on display
>>> > by many, was clearly noticeable.
>>> >
>>> > Shifting costs to our institutions, which are already experiencing
>>> > financial stresses which they pretend to solve by eliminating
>>> > departments of Sanskrit, Religious Studies, etc., is not a healthy
>>> > solution.
>>> >
>>> > The model is changing, and we are mostly complacent so far.
>>> >
>>> > Dan
>>> >
>>> > > On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY <indo
>>> > > logy at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > It’s really interesting that in this discussion none of us has
>>> > > actually pointed out that not only scientific publishers shouldn’t
>>> > > ask authors to pay a fee for publication, they should actually pay
>>> > > us for the work we’ve done. If scientific publishers ask scholars
>>> > > to pay a fee for publication it means that their business model is
>>> > > wrong in the best-case scenario or they’re criminals, plain and
>>> > > simple. Maybe the reason for all this is that scientific publishers
>>> > > shouldn’t be run as businesses? I’m just throwing this idea into
>>> > > the arena, since it seems that the business-like model is now all-
>>> > > pervading in every single aspect of human life, even where it
>>> > > shouldn’t.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Dr Camillo A. Formigatti
>>> >
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