[INDOLOGY] [Archiving Open Access publications] Re: question about a soliciation from publisher MDPI

Thu Mar 28 08:26:33 UTC 2019

Dear colleagues, 
The uploading and preparing books and articles for the use of others is a good thing. But it should coincide with ethic behaviour of users. Everyone wants every information on his/her desk and more often than not an author finds his researched results in transformed form or in summaries in articles of others - without mentioning a source. It is one thing to contribute to a common pool of knowledge it’s another to become quary for other people’s blocs. But this you all know. My further point is: one should not cursorily speak about open source and uploading disregarding the tremendous work it affords preparing material. Open source is ok for older publications but contemporary contributions should be put into the free will of the authors without stigmatizing them as protective.
Caren Dreyer
In Museum of Asian Art Berlin

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> Am 28.03.2019 um 08:42 schrieb Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>:
> 
> Dear Richard,
> First, I'm sure all are grateful for this source, and this avenue is interesting. But I do wonder about something, since you state that the publication is Open Access.
> The copyright notice nevertheless is the conventional:
> "© Copyright 2018 Sean D. Gaffney. All rights reserved.The Author asserts their moral rights in respect of this work,including their right to be identified as author"
> According to my understanding, "all rights reserved" means that the publication, despite having been posted for free download, is not in fact Open Access. But perhaps after all I am quite wrong about this; it certainly would be neither the first nor the last time!
> Best, Jonathan
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 1:39 AM Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica <rmahoney at fastmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Jonathan,
>> 
>> With the agreement of authors and editors, all monographs, editions
>> and proceedings that I publish will be available in an Open Access
>> edition to coincide with the initial print release.
>> 
>> It is relatively easy to ensure the long term availability of the Open
>> Access edition. Both physical and electronic copies are deposited --
>> Legal Deposit-- with the National Library of New Zealand.
>> 
>> The upshot, for example, is that this recently published edition is
>> available to borrow or to download:
>> 
>> Gaffney, Sean (2018) sKyes pa rabs kyi gleṅ gźi (Jātakanidāna): a
>> critical edition based on six editions of the Tibetan bKa' 'gyur.
>> Indica et Buddhica Jātakanidāna, v. 1. Oxford: Indica et Buddhica
>> Publishers.
>> 
>> 
>> Borrow:
>> 
>> http://bit.ly/2Ywyg9U
>> 
>> https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay
>> ?docid=NLNZ_ALMA21311447700002836&context=L&vid=NLNZ&search_scope=NLNZ&
>> tab=catalogue&lang=en_US
>> 
>> Download:
>> 
>> http://bit.ly/2FDVSki
>> 
>> https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay
>> ?docid=NLNZ_ALMA21311447560002836&context=L&vid=NLNZ&search_scope=NLNZ&
>> tab=catalogue&lang=en_US
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best, Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
>> 
>> Littledene  Bay Road  Oxford  NZ 
>> T: +6433121699  M: +64210640216 
>> r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org 
>> 
>> http://indica-et-buddhica.org/ 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Reply-to: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
>> To: Dan Lusthaus <prajnapti at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] question about a soliciation from publisher
>> MDPI
>> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 01:03:46 +0200
>> 
>> Dear Dan
>> I hope I am not seen as a shill for publishers, but I would like to
>> point out that what you say is not quite right. How are contributions
>> to be found? How is their continued presence to be assured? How are
>> materials to be distributed? There are many more questions like this
>> that your brief explanation omits, but that are vital. All of us have
>> experienced multiple times a 404 message when following a link to an
>> article or contribution of interest. If we want our publications to
>> last, this is not a viable model. This statement is not a positive
>> assertion of what is in fact the optimal model, but it does point out a
>> weakness in your questioning. I think that there are some viable
>> options out there, but it's not nearly as simple as you suggest.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:11 PM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <indology at lis
>> t.indology.info> wrote:
>> > While on that subject, our entire profession is fiscally backward. It
>> > is not just in regard to publications. Would a carpenter or plumber
>> > pay you to come to your house to build or fix something? But we pay
>> > hefty fees to go to conferences to present our research. Soon we will
>> > all be paying to publish our work through “reputable” media.
>> > 
>> > As for publishers, profit is necessary to stay in business, so as
>> > hardcopies become increasingly vestigial, and free online material
>> > increasingly available, who is the profit going to come from? And the
>> > “free” part of online access is soon to disappear as well. The
>> > profit, of course, goes to the publishers. Royalties are a tiny
>> > percentage of what the book makes. The cost of producing a volume,
>> > which, once typeset (and some of us end up doing camera-ready) is
>> > just the cost of paper, ink, and delivery. E-versions, which don’t
>> > even cost that — just server space — are now the same price as
>> > hardcopy. At the recent AAS (Association of Asian Studies) the
>> > decrease in the number of publishers displaying wares, and the
>> > smaller booths rented by them, and the fewer actual items on display
>> > by many, was clearly noticeable.
>> > 
>> > Shifting costs to our institutions, which are already experiencing
>> > financial stresses which they pretend to solve by eliminating
>> > departments of Sanskrit, Religious Studies, etc., is not a healthy
>> > solution.
>> > 
>> > The model is changing, and we are mostly complacent so far.
>> > 
>> > Dan
>> > 
>> > > On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY <indo
>> > > logy at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > It’s really interesting that in this discussion none of us has
>> > > actually pointed out that not only scientific publishers shouldn’t
>> > > ask authors to pay a fee for publication, they should actually pay
>> > > us for the work we’ve done. If scientific publishers ask scholars
>> > > to pay a fee for publication it means that their business model is
>> > > wrong in the best-case scenario or they’re criminals, plain and
>> > > simple. Maybe the reason for all this is that scientific publishers
>> > > shouldn’t be run as businesses? I’m just throwing this idea into
>> > > the arena, since it seems that the business-like model is now all-
>> > > pervading in every single aspect of human life, even where it
>> > > shouldn’t.
>> > >  
>> > >  
>> > >  
>> > > Dr Camillo A. Formigatti
>> > 
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