[INDOLOGY] About Godwin

Arnaud Fournet fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr
Sun Jun 30 20:17:32 UTC 2019


@ Antonia Ruppel

Obviously, you're a total leftist shithead.

To start with, Nazis were Socialists. They have nothing to do with the 
Right or even less with the Far-Right, whatever that means.

So you "mail" is nothing but allout Marxist crap.

So I would call the NiwBitch on your mail.

With Best Regards.

A.F



Le 30/06/2019 à 20:24, Antonia Ruppel a écrit :
> It should also be pointed out that the discussion has gone beyond 
> Godwin's Law to Niwdog's law (Godwin reversed): this is when a 
> discussion member claims Godwin's law in a case where the person 
> called a Nazi for all intents and purposes is a Nazi, where someone 
> called a right-wing extremist actually is a right-wing extremist, etc. 
> This is the common name for what Hans pointed out in relation to the 
> Godwin's Law Wikipedia entry.
>
> And so I call Niwdog's Law on Arnaud's original email.
>
> --Antonia
>
> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 at 18:44, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY 
> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks all.
>
>     Dean
>
>     On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:59:12 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet
>     <fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr <mailto:fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr>> wrote:
>
>
>     yes, precisely so
>
>     IMHO, the issue is that there are authorized insults like
>     "far-right" or "racist" and non-authorized insults like "asshole",
>     "bastard", etc.
>
>     The first set usually escapes moderation censureship, while the
>     other set is usually not accepted.
>
>     Best regards
>
>     A.F
>
>
>     Le 30/06/2019 à 19:25, Patricia Sauthoff a écrit :
>     Dear Dean,
>
>     It's a reference to Godwin's law
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law>, "if an online
>     discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough,
>     sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf
>     Hitler or his deeds".
>
>     On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:13 AM Dean Michael Anderson
>     <eastwestcultural at yahoo.com <mailto:eastwestcultural at yahoo.com>>
>     wrote:
>
>         Could you please clarify your point for us who are
>         Godwin-deprived?
>
>         Best,
>
>         Dean
>
>         On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 9:57:21 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet
>         via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info
>         <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
>
>
>         Le 30/06/2019 à 18:00, indology-request at list.indology.info
>         <mailto:indology-request at list.indology.info> a écrit :
>         > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:45:23 -0600
>         > From: Patricia Sauthoff<sauthoff at ualberta.ca
>         <mailto:sauthoff at ualberta.ca>>
>         > To: Indology<indology at list.indology.info
>         <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>         > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Supporting each other in public
>         > Message-ID:
>         >    
>         <CAPAr6cGGK1NkzM0eetnNrjGgCSc0A-OhcWGsa2ZqPW17xi0axQ at mail.gmail.com
>         <mailto:CAPAr6cGGK1NkzM0eetnNrjGgCSc0A-OhcWGsa2ZqPW17xi0axQ at mail.gmail.com>>
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>         >
>         > For those who are unaware of the tactics adopted by the
>         far-right,
>
>         Godwin1
>
>
>         >  you may
>         > enjoy reading this short article
>         >
>         http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/praxis1313/jeff-stein-strategic-speech-and-alt-right-metapolitics/,
>         > You'll see that Dr. Elst utilizes them all, from trolling
>         and gaslighting,
>         > to victimization, to turning everything into a free speech
>         issue.
>         >
>         > Make no mistake, there is nothing unintentional about this
>         and it is a
>         > performance for those lurkers who silently agree. It is
>         meant to bait those
>         > who do not agree into "debate" in order to try to turn their
>         words around
>         > against them, as Elst attempted to do in his response to me.
>         >
>         > In his earlier email, Elst presents Pamela Geller
>         >
>         <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/pamela-geller>
>         > and Robert Spencer
>         >
>         <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/robert-spencer>
>         > as subjects who have had their free speech trampled. This is
>         a dog whistle.
>         > Geller and Spencer are opportunistic far-right
>
>         Godwin2
>
>
>         > anti-Muslim activists.
>         > Spencer was banned from the UK in 2013 due to his extremism.
>         A security
>         > guard was shot
>         >
>         <https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/04/us/gunmen-killed-after-firing-on-anti-islam-groups-event.html>
>         > at a stunt in Texas in which they offered a $10K prize to
>         the person who
>         > drew the "best" cartoon of the Prophet Muhammed.
>         >
>         > These writers, Elst, and many other far-right writers
>
>         Godwin3
>
>
>         >  were cited for their
>         > anti-Islamic views in the manifesto written by the Norwegian
>         terrorist
>         > Anders Brevik. If that name isn't familiar, perhaps you'll
>         remember the
>         > 2011 Oslo bombing and subsequent mass shooting of teenagers
>         on an island by
>         > a "lone wolf" who killed 77 people in total. Brevik's manifesto
>         >
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Manifesto:_2083:_A_European_Declaration_of_Independence>
>         > is
>         > now canon among the violent far-right
>
>         Godwin4
>
>
>         > as it lays out tactics and strategies
>         > for online harassment and real-world terrorism. The
>         Austrailian-born
>         > Christchurch shooter made reference to it as inspiration in
>         his own
>         > manifesto.
>         >
>         > To me, the most worrying tactic of the online far-right
>
>         Godwin5
>
>
>         >  is its penchant for
>         > making lists of "leftists" in order to target them. Recently
>         an online
>         > publication
>         >
>         <https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/11/intellectual-dark-web-quillette-claire-lehmann-221917>
>         > ran an article with a list of journalists they believed to
>         be connected to
>         > the anti-fascist movement
>         >
>         <https://www.cjr.org/analysis/quillette-antifa-journalist-smear-campaign.php>.
>         > The article "was circulated approvingly on white supremacist
>         forum
>         > Stormfront the day after its publication; a day later, a
>         YouTube user
>         > uploaded a video of imagery of mass shooters intercut with
>         images of the
>         > reporters mentioned by Lenihan under the heading ?Sunset the
>         Media.?"
>         >
>         > Scary stuff. Turns out words on the internet aren't just
>         words afterall. I
>         > worry that lurkers on this email listserv may build their
>         own list of
>         > targets, i.e., some of us.
>
>         yes, I agree that jerks who overuse the word "far-right"
>         should rather
>         create their own list somewhere else.
>
>
>
>
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>     Patricia Sauthoff
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>     Department of History and Classics
>     University of Alberta
>     Edmonton, Canada
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> -- 
> Dr Antonia Ruppel FRAS
> Researcher, 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax'
> Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics
> Junior Research Fellow, Kellogg College
> University of Oxford
>
> Author, The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit


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