[INDOLOGY] About Godwin
Arnaud Fournet
fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr
Sun Jun 30 20:17:32 UTC 2019
@ Antonia Ruppel
Obviously, you're a total leftist shithead.
To start with, Nazis were Socialists. They have nothing to do with the
Right or even less with the Far-Right, whatever that means.
So you "mail" is nothing but allout Marxist crap.
So I would call the NiwBitch on your mail.
With Best Regards.
A.F
Le 30/06/2019 à 20:24, Antonia Ruppel a écrit :
> It should also be pointed out that the discussion has gone beyond
> Godwin's Law to Niwdog's law (Godwin reversed): this is when a
> discussion member claims Godwin's law in a case where the person
> called a Nazi for all intents and purposes is a Nazi, where someone
> called a right-wing extremist actually is a right-wing extremist, etc.
> This is the common name for what Hans pointed out in relation to the
> Godwin's Law Wikipedia entry.
>
> And so I call Niwdog's Law on Arnaud's original email.
>
> --Antonia
>
> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 at 18:44, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Dean
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:59:12 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet
> <fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr <mailto:fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr>> wrote:
>
>
> yes, precisely so
>
> IMHO, the issue is that there are authorized insults like
> "far-right" or "racist" and non-authorized insults like "asshole",
> "bastard", etc.
>
> The first set usually escapes moderation censureship, while the
> other set is usually not accepted.
>
> Best regards
>
> A.F
>
>
> Le 30/06/2019 à 19:25, Patricia Sauthoff a écrit :
> Dear Dean,
>
> It's a reference to Godwin's law
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law>, "if an online
> discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough,
> sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf
> Hitler or his deeds".
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:13 AM Dean Michael Anderson
> <eastwestcultural at yahoo.com <mailto:eastwestcultural at yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Could you please clarify your point for us who are
> Godwin-deprived?
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 9:57:21 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet
> via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info
> <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Le 30/06/2019 à 18:00, indology-request at list.indology.info
> <mailto:indology-request at list.indology.info> a écrit :
> > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:45:23 -0600
> > From: Patricia Sauthoff<sauthoff at ualberta.ca
> <mailto:sauthoff at ualberta.ca>>
> > To: Indology<indology at list.indology.info
> <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Supporting each other in public
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <CAPAr6cGGK1NkzM0eetnNrjGgCSc0A-OhcWGsa2ZqPW17xi0axQ at mail.gmail.com
> <mailto:CAPAr6cGGK1NkzM0eetnNrjGgCSc0A-OhcWGsa2ZqPW17xi0axQ at mail.gmail.com>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > For those who are unaware of the tactics adopted by the
> far-right,
>
> Godwin1
>
>
> > you may
> > enjoy reading this short article
> >
> http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/praxis1313/jeff-stein-strategic-speech-and-alt-right-metapolitics/,
> > You'll see that Dr. Elst utilizes them all, from trolling
> and gaslighting,
> > to victimization, to turning everything into a free speech
> issue.
> >
> > Make no mistake, there is nothing unintentional about this
> and it is a
> > performance for those lurkers who silently agree. It is
> meant to bait those
> > who do not agree into "debate" in order to try to turn their
> words around
> > against them, as Elst attempted to do in his response to me.
> >
> > In his earlier email, Elst presents Pamela Geller
> >
> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/pamela-geller>
> > and Robert Spencer
> >
> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/robert-spencer>
> > as subjects who have had their free speech trampled. This is
> a dog whistle.
> > Geller and Spencer are opportunistic far-right
>
> Godwin2
>
>
> > anti-Muslim activists.
> > Spencer was banned from the UK in 2013 due to his extremism.
> A security
> > guard was shot
> >
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/04/us/gunmen-killed-after-firing-on-anti-islam-groups-event.html>
> > at a stunt in Texas in which they offered a $10K prize to
> the person who
> > drew the "best" cartoon of the Prophet Muhammed.
> >
> > These writers, Elst, and many other far-right writers
>
> Godwin3
>
>
> > were cited for their
> > anti-Islamic views in the manifesto written by the Norwegian
> terrorist
> > Anders Brevik. If that name isn't familiar, perhaps you'll
> remember the
> > 2011 Oslo bombing and subsequent mass shooting of teenagers
> on an island by
> > a "lone wolf" who killed 77 people in total. Brevik's manifesto
> >
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Manifesto:_2083:_A_European_Declaration_of_Independence>
> > is
> > now canon among the violent far-right
>
> Godwin4
>
>
> > as it lays out tactics and strategies
> > for online harassment and real-world terrorism. The
> Austrailian-born
> > Christchurch shooter made reference to it as inspiration in
> his own
> > manifesto.
> >
> > To me, the most worrying tactic of the online far-right
>
> Godwin5
>
>
> > is its penchant for
> > making lists of "leftists" in order to target them. Recently
> an online
> > publication
> >
> <https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/11/intellectual-dark-web-quillette-claire-lehmann-221917>
> > ran an article with a list of journalists they believed to
> be connected to
> > the anti-fascist movement
> >
> <https://www.cjr.org/analysis/quillette-antifa-journalist-smear-campaign.php>.
> > The article "was circulated approvingly on white supremacist
> forum
> > Stormfront the day after its publication; a day later, a
> YouTube user
> > uploaded a video of imagery of mass shooters intercut with
> images of the
> > reporters mentioned by Lenihan under the heading ?Sunset the
> Media.?"
> >
> > Scary stuff. Turns out words on the internet aren't just
> words afterall. I
> > worry that lurkers on this email listserv may build their
> own list of
> > targets, i.e., some of us.
>
> yes, I agree that jerks who overuse the word "far-right"
> should rather
> create their own list somewhere else.
>
>
>
>
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> Patricia Sauthoff
> Postdoctoral Fellow
> AyurYog.org <http://AyurYog.org>
> Department of History and Classics
> University of Alberta
> Edmonton, Canada
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> Dr Antonia Ruppel FRAS
> Researcher, 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax'
> Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics
> Junior Research Fellow, Kellogg College
> University of Oxford
>
> Author, The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit
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