[INDOLOGY] ISO15919 and case insensitivity

Rolf Heinrich Koch rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com
Thu Jun 20 15:20:10 UTC 2019

Dear Daniel,

I also would like to direct another, different question in case there 
are any modifications at the Standard ISO15919 possible:

The Halfnasal ň (for transliteration of ňg, ňḍ and ňd is available in 
all unicode-fonts, but the Halfnasal for m (for transliteration of mb 
[where m should have the same diacritic on top as ň] is missing.

For the transliteration at least of Sinhala-text we need this letter as 
part of the Unicode-fonts.

To where or whom we can direct this?

Thank you


Am 20.06.2019 um 15:24 schrieb Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY:
> Dear colleagues,
> It is possible to obtain some responses to the questions that Dániel 
> asked on our joint behalf? It would be greatly appreciated.
> Many thanks, and best wishes,
> Arlo Griffiths
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of 
> Dániel Balogh via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 10, 2019 10:52 AM
> *To:* indology
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] ISO15919 and case insensitivity
> Dear All,
> I believe some members of the esteemed community reading this were 
> involved in drawing up the ISO15919 transliteration standard. I would 
> be very happy to correspond with someone, here or off-list, about some 
> generic issues and at the moment one particular question.
> The generic issues would pertain to using a modified ISO standard in 
> web and hardcopy publications, including some modifications that 
> prevent us from making a "claim of conformance" as per section 2 of 
> the standard. Beyond the practical issue of having to explain to our 
> readers where we deviate from the standard, I see no problem 
> associated with this, but I may be missing something. At any rate, a 
> proliferation of idiosyncratic transliteration systems is not 
> desirable, which leads to the second set of generic issues: by whom 
> and how is the ISO standard maintained at present, and is there any 
> chance of proposing slight modifications/addenda/special cases to it?
> The particular question right now is this. The standard explicitly 
> says that all transliterations must be case insensitive (Section 8.1 
> Rule 1). Some of us, however, are thinking of using uppercase Roman 
> characters to transliterate 1. final consonants represented in 
> historic scripts by special "halanta" character forms (instead of the 
> addition of a virāma sign), and 2. initial/full vowels.
> The latter could be made clear using the disambiguation sign already 
> codified in the standard (e.g. transliterating प्रउग as pra:uga), but 
> we feel that using Roman uppercase for both these phenomena is 
> intuitively similar to the practice of the original script. [Not 
> directly relevant to the question at hand is that we would also 
> introduce an additional symbol for transliterating the explicit virāma 
> sign to handle final or conjunct consonants created with such a sign.]
> We would use this notation for epigraphic material, but as far as I 
> can see it would be equally advantageous in codicology where a 
> diplomatic transliteration is desirable. Unambiguously (and in some 
> cases redundantly) differentiating final vowel forms is useful not 
> only in cases where these are used as a means of text segmentation 
> (e.g. the final consonant of a verse quarter is inscribed using a 
> special form, followed by the initial consonant of the next quarter, 
> without an intervening punctuation sign but with the clear intent of 
> representing the yati in writing), but also where partially legible 
> text precedes or follows a lacuna (e.g. occasionally a legible vowel 
> mātrā is attached to a lost/illegible consonant, and it is desirable 
> to make it clear in the transliteration that the vowel read is not a 
> full vowel akṣara).
> Many thanks in advance for any enlightening comments, and my apologies 
> for going into possibly unnecessary detail on the why and how.
> Daniel
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