From koenraad.elst at gmail.com Mon Jul 1 00:22:17 2019 From: koenraad.elst at gmail.com (Koenraad Elst) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 19 19:22:17 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] just support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Agathe Keller, You write > >> twenty years back already the original indology list had came down >> precisely by a simillar kind of attack in which Konrad Elst was already >> involved. >> >> >> >> > > This is roughly correct. Many times I have been "involved" in attacks, > namely as the target of attack. Thus, I have been called "the scum of the > earth" here. (By contrast, I myself have never called anyone that, and > can't remember that level of abuse even in the heat of discussions.) > Obviously in contravention of list rules, but nobody intervened, and nobody > even expressed support, at least in public. > Last year, it was Arnaud Fournet who attacked me, with the same fury you have just been here. I thought this was too much, but the listmaster washed his hands in innocence: "The list is not moderated." And I can't remember *you* waxing indignant about this. More people have asked that I be punished for being attacked. But that this demand is made by the same person who had done the attacking, in multiple violation of list rules, that might be new. Yours regretfully, KE > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhododaktylos at gmail.com Mon Jul 1 01:00:10 2019 From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 19 02:00:10 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata_concordance=3F?= Message-ID: Dear all, Many thanks for the off-list (and inadvertently on-list:-)) expressions of support! To make use of the list in the way it was intended to: would anyone have or know whether there is a verse concordance of the Critical Edition of the Mah?bh?rata (as found e.g. on GRETIL) and the version underlying the Ganguli translation (as found on most other online sites, such as sacred-texts.com)? The text of the two greatly overlaps, but the split-up into sections varies, and I am trying to find a straightforward way of locating verses from one edition in the other. Thank you in advance for your help, Antonia -- Dr Antonia Ruppel FRAS Researcher, 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax' Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics Junior Research Fellow, Kellogg College University of Oxford Author, The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arfalques at cantab.net Mon Jul 1 01:55:26 2019 From: arfalques at cantab.net (=?utf-8?Q?Aleix_Ruiz_Falqu=C3=A9s?=) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 19 08:25:26 +0630 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata_concordance=3F?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Antonia, There is one project of concordance in the University of Manipal. You can see the (pilot?) version here: http://mahabharata.manipal.edu I personally have not use it yet. With best wishes, Aleix On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 07:30, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all, > > Many thanks for the off-list (and inadvertently on-list:-)) expressions of > support! > > To make use of the list in the way it was intended to: would anyone have > or know whether there is a verse concordance of the Critical Edition of the > Mah?bh?rata (as found e.g. on GRETIL) and the version underlying the > Ganguli translation (as found on most other online sites, such as > sacred-texts.com)? 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URL: From hhhock at illinois.edu Mon Jul 1 03:15:33 2019 From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 19 03:15:33 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: About Godwin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have been reading the thread about AAIS, rules of conduct, and Godwin with increasing concern, as ad-hominem attacks and arguments of ?guilt by association? have been proliferating. A.F.?s message is for me the breaking point; its use of foul and anti-woman language is totally unacceptable. I hope that those in charge of moderating can find a way to turn the list back to issues of scholarship?the most important and precious feature of the list, so that Indology messages won?t automatically go into my junk file. With best wishes, Hans Henrich Hock Begin forwarded message: From: Arnaud Fournet via INDOLOGY > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] About Godwin Date: 30June 2019 at 15:17:32 CDT To: Antonia Ruppel >, Dean Michael Anderson > Cc: Indology List >, "koenraad.elst at telenet.be" > Reply-To: Arnaud Fournet > @ Antonia Ruppel Obviously, you're a total leftist shithead. To start with, Nazis were Socialists. They have nothing to do with the Right or even less with the Far-Right, whatever that means. So you "mail" is nothing but allout Marxist crap. So I would call the NiwBitch on your mail. With Best Regards. A.F Le 30/06/2019 ? 20:24, Antonia Ruppel a ?crit : It should also be pointed out that the discussion has gone beyond Godwin's Law to Niwdog's law (Godwin reversed): this is when a discussion member claims Godwin's law in a case where the person called a Nazi for all intents and purposes is a Nazi, where someone called a right-wing extremist actually is a right-wing extremist, etc. This is the common name for what Hans pointed out in relation to the Godwin's Law Wikipedia entry. And so I call Niwdog's Law on Arnaud's original email. --Antonia On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 at 18:44, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY > wrote: Thanks all. Dean On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:59:12 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet > wrote: yes, precisely so IMHO, the issue is that there are authorized insults like "far-right" or "racist" and non-authorized insults like "asshole", "bastard", etc. The first set usually escapes moderation censureship, while the other set is usually not accepted. Best regards A.F Le 30/06/2019 ? 19:25, Patricia Sauthoff a ?crit : Dear Dean, It's a reference to Godwin's law, "if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds". On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:13 AM Dean Michael Anderson > wrote: Could you please clarify your point for us who are Godwin-deprived? Best, Dean On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 9:57:21 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet via INDOLOGY > wrote: Le 30/06/2019 ? 18:00, indology-request at list.indology.info a ?crit : > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:45:23 -0600 > From: Patricia Sauthoff> > To: Indology> > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Supporting each other in public > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > For those who are unaware of the tactics adopted by the far-right, Godwin1 > you may > enjoy reading this short article > http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/praxis1313/jeff-stein-strategic-speech-and-alt-right-metapolitics/, > You'll see that Dr. Elst utilizes them all, from trolling and gaslighting, > to victimization, to turning everything into a free speech issue. > > Make no mistake, there is nothing unintentional about this and it is a > performance for those lurkers who silently agree. It is meant to bait those > who do not agree into "debate" in order to try to turn their words around > against them, as Elst attempted to do in his response to me. > > In his earlier email, Elst presents Pamela Geller > > > and Robert Spencer > > > as subjects who have had their free speech trampled. This is a dog whistle. > Geller and Spencer are opportunistic far-right Godwin2 > anti-Muslim activists. > Spencer was banned from the UK in 2013 due to his extremism. A security > guard was shot > > > at a stunt in Texas in which they offered a $10K prize to the person who > drew the "best" cartoon of the Prophet Muhammed. > > These writers, Elst, and many other far-right writers Godwin3 > were cited for their > anti-Islamic views in the manifesto written by the Norwegian terrorist > Anders Brevik. If that name isn't familiar, perhaps you'll remember the > 2011 Oslo bombing and subsequent mass shooting of teenagers on an island by > a "lone wolf" who killed 77 people in total. Brevik's manifesto > > > is > now canon among the violent far-right Godwin4 > as it lays out tactics and strategies > for online harassment and real-world terrorism. The Austrailian-born > Christchurch shooter made reference to it as inspiration in his own > manifesto. > > To me, the most worrying tactic of the online far-right Godwin5 > is its penchant for > making lists of "leftists" in order to target them. Recently an online > publication > > > ran an article with a list of journalists they believed to be connected to > the anti-fascist movement > >. > The article "was circulated approvingly on white supremacist forum > Stormfront the day after its publication; a day later, a YouTube user > uploaded a video of imagery of mass shooters intercut with images of the > reporters mentioned by Lenihan under the heading ?Sunset the Media.?" > > Scary stuff. Turns out words on the internet aren't just words afterall. I > worry that lurkers on this email listserv may build their own list of > targets, i.e., some of us. yes, I agree that jerks who overuse the word "far-right" should rather create their own list somewhere else. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Patricia Sauthoff Postdoctoral Fellow AyurYog.org Department of History and Classics University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Dr Antonia Ruppel FRAS Researcher, 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax' Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics Junior Research Fellow, Kellogg College University of Oxford Author, The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com Mon Jul 1 03:49:49 2019 From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 19 03:49:49 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] About Godwin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1410617905.709411.1561952989602@mail.yahoo.com> I have to say that this must cross some kind of line of accepted behavior on this list. I support the expression of a wide range of opinions, even if I don't agree with them. But even if I agreed with you, I would take exception at this kind of language and the vitriol. >From a practical perspective, it also vitiates any point you might be trying to make. Dean Anderson On Monday, July 1, 2019, 1:47:36 AM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet wrote: @ Antonia Ruppel Obviously, you're a total leftist shithead. To start with, Nazis were Socialists. They have nothing to do with the Right or even less with the Far-Right, whatever that means. So you "mail" is nothing but allout Marxist crap. So I would call the NiwBitch on your mail. With Best Regards. A.F Le 30/06/2019 ? 20:24, Antonia Ruppel a ?crit?: It should also be pointed out that the discussion has gone beyond Godwin's Law to Niwdog's law (Godwin reversed):? this is when a discussion member claims Godwin's law in a case where the person called a Nazi for all intents and purposes is a Nazi, where someone called a right-wing extremist actually is a right-wing extremist, etc. This is the common name for what Hans pointed out in relation to the Godwin's Law Wikipedia entry. And so I call Niwdog's Law on Arnaud's original email. --Antonia On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 at 18:44, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY wrote: Thanks all. Dean On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:59:12 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet wrote: yes, precisely so IMHO, the issue is that there are authorized insults like "far-right" or "racist" and non-authorized insults like "asshole", "bastard", etc. The first set usually escapes moderation censureship, while the other set is usually not accepted. Best regards A.F Le 30/06/2019 ? 19:25, Patricia Sauthoff a ?crit?: Dear Dean, It's a reference to Godwin's law, "if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds". On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:13 AM Dean Michael Anderson wrote: Could you please clarify your point for us who are Godwin-deprived? Best, Dean On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 9:57:21 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet via INDOLOGY wrote: Le 30/06/2019 ? 18:00, indology-request at list.indology.info a ?crit?: > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:45:23 -0600 > From: Patricia Sauthoff > To: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Supporting each other in public > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > For those who are unaware of the tactics adopted by the far-right, Godwin1 >? you may > enjoy reading this short article > http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/praxis1313/jeff-stein-strategic-speech-and-alt-right-metapolitics/, > You'll see that Dr. Elst utilizes them all, from trolling and gaslighting, > to victimization, to turning everything into a free speech issue. > > Make no mistake, there is nothing unintentional about this and it is a > performance for those lurkers who silently agree. It is meant to bait those > who do not agree into "debate" in order to try to turn their words around > against them, as Elst attempted to do in his response to me. > > In his earlier email, Elst presents Pamela Geller > > and Robert Spencer > > as subjects who have had their free speech trampled. This is a dog whistle. > Geller and Spencer are opportunistic far-right Godwin2 > anti-Muslim activists. > Spencer was banned from the UK in 2013 due to his extremism. A security > guard was shot > > at a stunt in Texas in which they offered a $10K prize to the person who > drew the "best" cartoon of the Prophet Muhammed. > > These writers, Elst, and many other far-right writers Godwin3 >? were cited for their > anti-Islamic views in the manifesto written by the Norwegian terrorist > Anders Brevik. If that name isn't familiar, perhaps you'll remember the > 2011 Oslo bombing and subsequent mass shooting of teenagers on an island by > a "lone wolf" who killed 77 people in total. Brevik's manifesto > > is > now canon among the violent far-right Godwin4 > as it lays out tactics and strategies > for online harassment and real-world terrorism. The Austrailian-born > Christchurch shooter made reference to it as inspiration in his own > manifesto. > > To me, the most worrying tactic of the online far-right Godwin5 >? is its penchant for > making lists of "leftists" in order to target them. Recently an online > publication > > ran an article with a list of journalists they believed to be connected to > the anti-fascist movement > . > The article "was circulated approvingly on white supremacist forum > Stormfront the day after its publication; a day later, a YouTube user > uploaded a video of imagery of mass shooters intercut with images of the > reporters mentioned by Lenihan under the heading ?Sunset the Media.?" > > Scary stuff. Turns out words on the internet aren't just words afterall. I > worry that lurkers on this email listserv may build their own list of > targets, i.e., some of us. yes, I agree that jerks who overuse the word "far-right" should rather create their own list somewhere else. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Patricia Sauthoff Postdoctoral Fellow AyurYog.org Department of History and Classics University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Dr Antonia Ruppel FRAS Researcher, 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax' Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics Junior Research Fellow, Kellogg College University of Oxford Author, The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com Mon Jul 1 04:19:03 2019 From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 19 04:19:03 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] AAIS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1814201266.735073.1561954743928@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Patricia, I am late to this conversation. I'd like to express my concern for your situation and the threats it might pose to academic freedom. On the other? hand, based on decades of experience doing Indology and business in India, I'd like to suggest that the lack of response might have more to do with falling afoul of the bureaucracy. I experience the same thing all the time even in situations where everything else is straightforward and even a win-win for everyone involved. If you want to contact me off-list I can try to help you resolve this. But you may not want to bother because it would involve appeasing the bureaucrats which is not a pleasant experience in the best of times. Since we are talking laws, I might mention Hanlon's Law which says: "Don't attribute to malice that which might be explained by incompetence." All my best, Dean On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 2:22:10 AM GMT+5:30, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY wrote: It's unfortunate that I have shared a personal but relevant experience with this list only to be met with far right dog whistles and gaslighting. Just like the last time I joined a discussion about something beyond simply an ask for resources.? On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:17 PM Koenraad Elst wrote: Dear Prof. Sauthoff & listfolk, Interesting: "Rather than continue this conversation with politically charged attacks (...) I would like to" engage in politically charged attacks on an unnamed "founding board member of AAIS". That's a very convenient kind of attack, for there is no way of countering this attack. Look, I don't know this man, nor the whole board of this AAIS, I don't know how white their souls are, and that is not the point. Anyone has a right to be heard, and when I see the names of august Indologists? like Arvind Sharma or Jefferey Long, I very much doubt the judgment of those who clamour for banning an AAIS announcement. Even if this allegation were true, it would be no worse than any of the times that I myself have been the target of "efforts to shut down academic freedom and integrity", and that consistently failed to make me call for censorship or a form of repression against them, or "deplatforming" as it is now called. There is no reason for banning or stonewalling this AAIS just as there never was any reason for me to demand anything similar against dissenters, not even the despotic secularists & socialists who had gone out of their way to smother my own voice. The answer to a bad conference is a better conference. In 2014, I was among those participants of the European Conference of South Asian Studies in Z?rich who signed a petition for freedom of expression piloted by, I believe, Laurie Patton and our own Dominik Wujastyk, and spefically against India's pro-censorship and anti-hate-speech law IPC 295A, on the occasion of a censorship-oriented Hindutva (in this case it is correct to call it that, Dinanath Batra being an RSS man) move against Wendy Doniger's? 'Alternative History of the Hindus' (see https://www.academia.edu/36329232/In_favour_of_freedom_of_expression). I whole-heartedly support freedom of expression, just as much for my adversaries as for my friends. (This attitude is rarely reciprocated, e.g. at that same conference, my own contribution was at the very last moment censored from the congress proceedings of my panel.) If you don't like a book, the only good answer is a better book, i.c. Vishal Agarwal's counter-book detailing the numerous errors in Doniger's unjustly famous book. It amused me to see how a number of people whom I had gotten to know for their active or passive attempts to get me banned from other forums, e.g. from the RISA-list (successfully, though in violation of the list charter); now suddenly stood up for freedom, as this time it was one of their own who was targeted. But it amused me even more that all these anti-Hindutva heroes were standing up to a law that had now been used by the Hindutva crowd, but that was actually (not just enacted in order to protect Islam from Hindu criticism, but esp.) a model for the "hate speech" codes that are now terrorizing academe in the West, and that I knew many of them were supporting. Indeed, Art. 295A IPC was a model hate speech law, and its British colonial motivation is well worth remembering when surveying the clamour against "hate speech" today. The Brits justified it by saying that unlike themselves, the natives were not mature enough to deal with criticism without going overboard. "Hate speech" laws are despotic by nature. Decolonization implies abolishing them. Call me an abolitionist. So, we have no need of being protected against this AAIS conference, much less against the very mention of it. It represents one viewpoint, and adherents of another viewpoint are welcome to express their own, indeed they are already doing so. And to engage with the AAIS people in order to make them see the supposed error of their ways. Indeed, knowing those Hindu diaspora circles rather well, I make bold I can get you, Patricia, invited to the conference and given time & the mike to explain to them that they are wrong. They call that the Purva Paksha, the counter-viewpoint, an integral part of the formation of their own opinion. . In fact, reading on, I notice that you have had a similar idea yourself: > I have invited that same board member to my talks at several conferences, they have not come to my talks or responded in any way.< OK, I take it upon myself to make communication between this AAIS fellow and yourself possible. You can contact me off-list on koenraad.elst at gmail.com. I greatly appreciate your willingness to talk it out, as contrasting with the SJW decision that condescending to any communication with "Hindutva" ogres is useless. > One of the founding board members of AAIS is also on the board of Nalanda University in Bihar, India. I taught at Nalanda several years ago, helping to found the School of Buddhist Studies, Philosophy, and Comparative Religion. (?) After my contract was not renewed and I was given no reason, I had to argue with the university about my final pay (which I have never received).< The Nalanda university was (re-) founded by a number of Leftist intellectuals, with as poster boy the Nobel winner Amartya Sen. Its selection of foreign professors was as partisan as what was to happen under the BJP a few years later. But in a shameless show of Congressite corruption, Nalanda was mismanaged so badly that it accepted a take-over by the State. But then the BJP came to power,.... So you were not paid. Well, that sounds familiar. Last December, a number of list members including myself participated in a conference in Sanchi University (founded as the BJP's answer to Nalanda). We had been promised a reimbursement but then the BJP government was ousted by Congress in state elections, so we got a new Education minister, a new VC, and since then, no reimbursement. We have no direct information, but the Indian media have reported that corrupt Congressites had immediately started making up for the hungry years in the opposition. Oh, and the University Board had also okayed my on nomination as Visiting Professor; but that too has come to naught since this political change. So, I am sorry for your loss, but I also know from experience (and not just the incident related) that, well, deplatforming happens, broken promises happen, plain stealing happens, even regardless of ideology. >? I woke up to an email from a journalist asking me if I had any response to Ram Madhav's tweet about my course.< My God, we must be twin souls. Me too, I had a clash with Ram Madhav. After having been deplatformed many times by the Left, it was this Hindutva bigwig's turn to deplatform me. (He is the main addressee of this open letter about the incident: https://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2014/12/letter-to-organizers-of-india-ideas.html) > > I will also note that this board member joined the Nalanda board after an RSS-linked administration was put into place.< >From your info, I still can't know whom you mean. The blockhead behaviour? you describe certainly indicates an RSS inspiration, though my point remains valid: the current that prefers the term "Indic" as a middling term between "Indian" and "Hindu" tries to mark itself off against the RSS. But the RSS, like the Trotskyites of yore or the SJWs today, persistently pursue an entryist policy. But thanks anyway for your testimony. I have seen the developments in the Indian Council of Historical Research at close quarters, including the impact of the BJP's rise to power. It was, as usual, a far cry from what the supposed experts and India-watchers claim. Thus, Kapil Kapoor & Michel Danino's excellent textbook about Indian knowledge systems and India's contributions to the sciences, which should have been a favourite of all Hindu-minded people, had been launched under Congress but fell into disuse under the BJP. Far from packing the field with pro-Hindu scholars, the RSS idea of dominating an institution was to use this occasion (normally seized upon for nominating dynamic people ready to change the game) only to reward incompetent gerontocrats with plum sinecure posts and not change anything. So you say that in Nalanda they did affirm their ideology; maybe, but so far not higher than at Twitter level. > That board member certainly did not speak up for academic integrity at that or any other point. I am offended that an organization would publish a conference listing on this list of international scholars when one of its own board members remained silent (and in my mind complicit) with these threats. I am disheartened that not a single member of their board, full of esteemed academics, did not at least speak out against the violent threats made toward me. I am angry that not one of them spoke up for academic freedom.< As a habitual receiver of threats since 30 years, I certainly don't approve of threats. But ever since I got? scared somewhat by a Khalistani threat back then, I have learned that they are not truly scary. Cheer up, those who are serious about harming you are not the ones who first send a warning to you with threats. Twitter is just words. Nevertheless, those esteemed academics should have supported you, indeed. But again, it is not only in your case that they abandon the victims. When terrorists attacked (not just threatened but actually attacked) a Mo cartoon event by Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer in Texas, both presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump refused to sympathize without ifs or buts. After the Danish cartoon affair, the AAA at its subsequent annual conference held a panel on it, where all six panelists and the moderator just couldn't get it across their lips to simply support the cartoonists. All of them started out to this effect: "I am all for freedom of expression, BUT..." All of them ended up blaming the victim, though some avoided becoming too explicit about that. So, Patricia, join the club. >There is your clear link between AAIS and Hindutva..< Clear?! Well, no, I don't see any big Hindutva name on that website, I really wonder whom you mean. Names of moderate figures like Arvind Sharma or Jeffrey Long suggest something else. Then again, they have indeed begged for comprehension of the Hindu position once in a while, and for most India-watchers, that would immediately stamp them "Hindutva". Here, the India-watchers (and within India, the so-called secularists) and the RSS make common cause: they both claim that anyone defending anything Hindu is "an RSS man". In reality, there is a whole array of non-Sanghi yet pro-Hindu voices arising, and the "Indic" current (led by Hari Kiran Vadlamani) is one of them. There is a slogan nowadays: "Hindus against Hindutva". It has been launched by anti-Hindu forces, and with "Hindutva" is meant any defence of anything Hindu. They want the freedom to attack Hinduism left and right, and any defence against those attacks is a nuisance that we should be "against". But let us take them at their word: they have at least correctly distinguished between Hinduism and Hindutva. But let's see in practice how long they can keep this up. For my experience over the last 30 years is that the least sign of life in Hinduism, of not succumbing to suicidal behaviour, is at once demonized as "Hindutva". The psychology behind this, is that they like Hinduism alright, as long as it is only "museum Hinduism". This goes back to the Christian Missionaries, who mostly had a genuine sympathy for much of the culture they had come to destroy (by replacement with Christianity), e.g. by writing descriptions of these dying cultures (e.g. the Edda, or de Sahagun's writings on the Amerindian culture). Today, things like Bharat Natyam or Carnatic music are still tolerated, they give some colour to life. But when Hinduism resists being phased out, it immediately gets criminalized as "Hindutva". This very colonial attitude of accepting the Other only when he gives no sign of life anymore, is like visiting a museum where everything is passive and dead; but then suddenly, Tut-Ankh-Amon's mummy starts to move his arm, and then even to raise his voice. Oh, that is not so nice anymore, that is -- dare I say it? -- "Hindutva". In such a scary moment, people don't think rationally anymore, so all distinctions disappear, it all just becomes "Hindutva". All the best, Dr. Koenraad Elst > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 5:28 AM Koenraad Elst via INDOLOGY wrote: >> >> Dear listfolk, >> >> Seems a just-begun draft made it to my outbox. Anyway, this will make >> my analysis a lot shorter and more readable. >> >> The many Sanskritists and other ivory-tower-dwellers on this list will >> not like the irruption of politics into their lofty discipline. But >> like it or not, Indology just happens to be far more politicized than >> e.g. Sinology. So I for one don't mind accepting Tyler Williams' >> apologies for troubling us with the politics of it all. And he in turn >> shouldn't mind comments on his position, by Nagaraj and now by me, >> especially since he chooses to burden this list with an in-your-face >> allegation against a fellow list member. >> >> >With all due respect to the colleague who posted this announcement, I must express serious misgivings about the nature of the proposed "conference," so serious that I am uncomfortable with the Indology listserve being used to promote this event.< >> >> He surely hasn't missed his entr?e. Right away, he leaves us in no >> doubt about where he stands. It is customary for a certain ideological >> school, the self-styled SJWs, to deny its adversaries legitimacy for >> not only the contents but even for the definitional status of their >> "publications". As a marked "scholar" with a "PhD" who writes "books" >> and "papers", I recognize from afar the political implications of the >> expression "conference". As if it were anything else than a >> conference. And I don't get disappointed, for the next part of the >> opening sentence already is a request for deplatforming his chosen >> adversary, -- deplatforming being the absolute favourite in very that >> school's armoury. That just begs to be "problematized". >> >> >> >There is no delicate way to put it: the AAIS is a Hindutva ideological project with specious intellectual foundations that is not only hostile to the disciplines and work of many of the scholars on this list but that also aligns itself with a politics that encourages harassment and even violence against our colleagues in India.< >> >> "Even violence"? My oh my, what have we got here on this list? >> Lavanya, is that you? >> >> But I do know of a target of Leftist violence, viz. Vivek Agnihotri, >> the coiner of the term "Urban Naxal", to which Williams objects. It is >> a verifiable fact that several Leftist public figures, from Sanjay >> Dutt on down, have physically made common cause with terrorists; and >> that hundreds have verbally supported terrorists. Personally I think >> that that is allowed, you could e.g. give reasoned arguments for >> Kashmiri separatism all while this cause is equally defended with >> terror by others. But to oppose it is equally permitted, and it seems >> Hindus are no longer taking it lying down and have joined the battle >> of discourse. As an ex-Marxist, I think the adoption of such colourful >> fighting terms tends to be a crucial moment in the history of an >> emancipation movement. >> >> And "Hindutva" project? The story of this recent "Indic" movement is >> precisely a concern to distance themselves from the legitimate >> "Hindutva" crowd, meaning the HMS and Sangh Parivar, who swear by >> "nationalism". The more successful the Parivar has become politically, >> the hazier and clumsier it has become ideologically, so it is facing >> several budding alternatives within Hindu politics. A first paper of >> mine about this is already 8 years old >> (https://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2011/08/hindu-activism-outside-sangh.html), >> but has never made any dent in the standard narrative. >> >> Most "experts" on the subject make a very loose, pamphlet-like use of >> the term Hindutva. Yet, it has a precise definition, given by the >> founder himself. A fast criterion for objectivity in reporting, and a >> fortiori in scholarship, is using the terms which the people >> themselves use for themselves, with any qualifiers being separate and >> made recognizable as such. The context in which VD Savarkar started >> the political use of this term for "Hinduness" (coined in 19th-century >> Bengal in the same sense) in 1923, was nationalism, and hence the only >> permissible extension of its meaning is as "Hindu nationalism", >> identified with the Hindu Mahasabha and the Sangh Parivar. However, >> the story of this recent "Indic" mouvance is precisely to keep a >> distance from it. >> >> I entirely agree that even with this "Indic" critique of "Western >> Indology", a few things are seriously deficient. But a serious >> Indologist will recognize this as one voice in an array of criticism >> of Indology per se (see e.g. >> https://www.academia.edu/14688786/The_lost_honour_of_India_Studies). >> In particular, the great interest Western India-watchers take in class >> conflict within Hindu society, certainly comes in for a suspicion of >> neo-colonialism. Exploiting inter-native conflicts was a prime >> stratagem in colonization, e.g. Hernan Cortes conquered Mexico from >> the Aztecs by allying with disgruntled other tribes. And indeed, the >> "Breaking India" forces (such as the Christian Missionaries) extol >> this conflict beyond all proportion, thus making their own project of >> conquest ("rich harvest of souls" -- Pope JP II) invisible, at least >> to na?ve or wilfully blind observers. >> >> Indeed, "colonialism (and its epistemological violence) were carried >> out by European together with members of elite South Asian >> communities",--and, if the colonialist so chose, also with other >> agents, such as members of the Depressed Classes, e.g. Dr. Ambedkar >> serving on the Viceroy's council. The power struggle is indeed more >> complex than the native/foreign binary of the Indics, but also more >> complex than the "good subalterns plus their Western sympathizers vs. >> the ugly evil Brahmins" of the Indian Left and its Western sponsors >> (examples on request). >> >> Finally, I note the over-confident condemnation of the reference to >> "more than 5000 years of a continuous civilization" as an >> "anti-historical assertion". To the extent that this hints at the >> Aryan Invasion Theory, so dear to the hearts of the Breaking India >> forces, I will comply right away with the desire of most list members >> not to re-open te debate on this old saw. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> Dr. Koenraad Elst, neither Hindu nor nationalist >> >> _ -- Patricia Sauthoff Postdoctoral Fellow AyurYog.org Department of History and Classics University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada_______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But even if I agreed with you, I would take exception at this kind of language and the vitriol. From a practical perspective, it also vitiates any point you might be trying to make. Dean Anderson On Monday, July 1, 2019, 1:47:36 AM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet wrote: @ Antonia Ruppel Obviously, you're a total leftist shithead. To start with, Nazis were Socialists. They have nothing to do with the Right or even less with the Far-Right, whatever that means. So you "mail" is nothing but allout Marxist crap. So I would call the NiwBitch on your mail. With Best Regards. A.F Le 30/06/2019 ? 20:24, Antonia Ruppel a ?crit?: It should also be pointed out that the discussion has gone beyond Godwin's Law to Niwdog's law (Godwin reversed):? this is when a discussion member claims Godwin's law in a case where the person called a Nazi for all intents and purposes is a Nazi, where someone called a right-wing extremist actually is a right-wing extremist, etc. This is the common name for what Hans pointed out in relation to the Godwin's Law Wikipedia entry. And so I call Niwdog's Law on Arnaud's original email. --Antonia On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 at 18:44, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY wrote: Thanks all. Dean On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:59:12 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet wrote: yes, precisely so IMHO, the issue is that there are authorized insults like "far-right" or "racist" and non-authorized insults like "asshole", "bastard", etc. The first set usually escapes moderation censureship, while the other set is usually not accepted. Best regards A.F Le 30/06/2019 ? 19:25, Patricia Sauthoff a ?crit?: Dear Dean, It's a reference to Godwin's law, "if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds". On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:13 AM Dean Michael Anderson wrote: Could you please clarify your point for us who are Godwin-deprived? Best, Dean On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 9:57:21 PM GMT+5:30, Arnaud Fournet via INDOLOGY wrote: Le 30/06/2019 ? 18:00, indology-request at list.indology.info a ?crit?: > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:45:23 -0600 > From: Patricia Sauthoff > To: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Supporting each other in public > Message-ID: > ??? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > For those who are unaware of the tactics adopted by the far-right, Godwin1 >? you may > enjoy reading this short article > http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/praxis1313/jeff-stein-strategic-speech-and-alt-right-metapolitics/, > You'll see that Dr. Elst utilizes them all, from trolling and gaslighting, > to victimization, to turning everything into a free speech issue. > > Make no mistake, there is nothing unintentional about this and it is a > performance for those lurkers who silently agree. It is meant to bait those > who do not agree into "debate" in order to try to turn their words around > against them, as Elst attempted to do in his response to me. > > In his earlier email, Elst presents Pamela Geller > > and Robert Spencer > > as subjects who have had their free speech trampled. This is a dog whistle. > Geller and Spencer are opportunistic far-right Godwin2 > anti-Muslim activists. > Spencer was banned from the UK in 2013 due to his extremism. A security > guard was shot > > at a stunt in Texas in which they offered a $10K prize to the person who > drew the "best" cartoon of the Prophet Muhammed. > > These writers, Elst, and many other far-right writers Godwin3 >? were cited for their > anti-Islamic views in the manifesto written by the Norwegian terrorist > Anders Brevik. If that name isn't familiar, perhaps you'll remember the > 2011 Oslo bombing and subsequent mass shooting of teenagers on an island by > a "lone wolf" who killed 77 people in total. Brevik's manifesto > > is > now canon among the violent far-right Godwin4 > as it lays out tactics and strategies > for online harassment and real-world terrorism. The Austrailian-born > Christchurch shooter made reference to it as inspiration in his own > manifesto. > > To me, the most worrying tactic of the online far-right Godwin5 >? is its penchant for > making lists of "leftists" in order to target them. Recently an online > publication > > ran an article with a list of journalists they believed to be connected to > the anti-fascist movement > . > The article "was circulated approvingly on white supremacist forum > Stormfront the day after its publication; a day later, a YouTube user > uploaded a video of imagery of mass shooters intercut with images of the > reporters mentioned by Lenihan under the heading ?Sunset the Media.?" > > Scary stuff. Turns out words on the internet aren't just words afterall. I > worry that lurkers on this email listserv may build their own list of > targets, i.e., some of us. yes, I agree that jerks who overuse the word "far-right" should rather create their own list somewhere else. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Patricia Sauthoff Postdoctoral Fellow AyurYog.org Department of History and Classics University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Dr Antonia Ruppel FRAS Researcher, 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax' Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics Junior Research Fellow, Kellogg College University of Oxford Author, The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The essay makes clear that what is at stake in forums such as Indology is not free speech? we all have plenty of opportunities and forums in which to express our ideas and opinions? but rather the maintenance of intellectual spaces and norms of discourse that in turn rest upon rigorous and shared notions of epistemological integrity and intellectual honesty. And which, we may add, are spaces in which scholars can share views without being subjected to belittling harassment. It was my concern with the slow erosion of these norms by disingenuous projects that compelled me to speak up in the first place. Respectfully, Tyler Williams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's really disappointing that despite the vigorous discussions we had last year around issues of gender (specifically at the World Sanskrit Conference), and despite the regrettable departure from this forum of eminent women scholars who are at the forefront of challenging the sexism, misogyny and straight up disrespect towards women that afflict all of our disciplines and institutions, individuals like Koenraad Elst are still able to post on Indology. Not only post, but as Matthew Kapstein correctly points out, post sans any kind of self-directed or externally imposed check on either the quantity or quality of what is being put out there for others to suffer. One would have hoped that neither common sense civility, nor the forum's rules of engagement would really encourage or allow this kind of lowering of our standards and wastage of our time, 700 people's time, as Dominik Wujastyk helpfully reminds us. To say nothing of how tiresome it is to go over the same ground again and again without registering any progress in the overall understanding of basic facts about sexual harassment, gender justice, and the non-negotiable need for us to make our exchanges egalitarian, equitable, respectful and meaningful for women and men alike. If Indology were to be more vigilant and proactive about its own standards and protocols, you and I would not need to use our spam filter as often as we do, alas. Yours, Ananya Vajpeyi. -- Ananya Vajpeyi Fellow and Associate Professor Centre for the Study of Developing Societies 29 Rajpur Road, Civil Lines New Delhi 110054 INDIA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Mon Jul 1 11:58:35 2019 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 19 13:58:35 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] indological events at ICAS-11 at Leiden, 15-19 July 2019 Message-ID: Dear All , One of several indology-related ICAS-events features young scholars not theorizing or preaching but exploring through their own effort new ways of practicing Indology. I have accepted a request by my old friend Dr. Paul van der Velde, ICAS-organizer since the first ICAS in Leiden-Noordwijkerhout in 1998, to chair their panel "Oriental Studies & New Ways of Practicing Indology" (18 July, morning) as I believe the initiative is admirable and deserves a fair chance (see below). The panel Visual Asian Studies: Vedic Ritual in India & Nepal is on 19 July afternoon (see below). For more information and several other indology-related events see the online program (136 pages): https://www.eventscribe.com/2019/ICAS11/agenda.asp?pfp=FullSchedule Best regards, Jan Houben Oriental Studies & New Ways of practicing Indology Thu, 18 Jul, 2019 11:15 - 13:00 Location: Kamerlingh Onnes A0.14 Panel Chair(s) - Jan Houben ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Paris Sciences et Lettres, France Author(s) - Hao Fu Institute of Foreign Literature at Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, China - Olga Nowicka Jagiellonian University, Poland - Soumyajit Sen Cooch Behar Panchanan Barma University, India - Ramil Valeev Kazan Federal University, Russia - Lidia Wojtczak SOAS University of London, United Kingdom Co-Author(s) - Svetlana Kirillina Lomonosov Moscow State University, Russia - Roza Valeeva Kazan Innovative University, Russia Presentations: - 11:15 - 13:00 'Church Sanskrit' Literature and John Muir (1810-1882)' Soumyajit Sen ? Cooch Behar Panchanan Barma University - 11:15 - 13:00 Local Advaita Ved?nta Monastic Tradition in the Topographies of Keralan Hagiographies Olga Nowicka ? Jagiellonian University - 11:15 - 13:00 Sanskrit at CASS Hao Fu ? Institute of Foreign Literature at Chinese Academy of Social Sciences - 11:15 - 13:00 ?Desire Does Not Become His Noble Head? ? The Indian Trope of Switching Heads in the Works of Thomas Mann and Marguerite Yourcenar Lidia Wojtczak ? SOAS University of London - 11:15 - 13:00 The University Oriental Studies in Russia: Its Centers, Development and Legacy (mid-18th century ? the 1930s) Ramil Mirgasimovich Valeev ? Kazan Federal University; Svetlana Kirillina ? Lomonosov Moscow State University; Roza Valeeva ? Kazan Innovative University Visual Asian Studies: Vedic Ritual in India & Nepal Fri, 19 Jul, 2019 14:45 - 16:30 Location: Kamerlingh Onnes C0.14 Panel Convenor(s) - Jan Houben ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Paris Sciences et Lettres, France - Bal Gopal Shrestha International Institute for Asian Studies (IIAS), Netherlands Panel Chair(s) - Dirk Nijland Leiden University, Netherlands Panel Discussant(s) - Han Vermeulen Max Planck Institute for Social Anthropology, Germany - Alex McKay Namgyal Institute of Tibetology/IIAS, Australia Presenter(s) - Jan Houben ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Paris Sciences et Lettres, France - Bal Gopal Shrestha International Institute for Asian Studies (IIAS), Netherlands - Natalia Korneeva Institute for Oriental and Classical Studies, Russian State University for the Humanities, Russia In this panel in honour of two pioneers in filming Vedic ritual, J.A.B. van Buitenen (1928-1979) and Frits Staal (1930-2012), Vedic ritual is studied, not, as usual, primarily and almost exclusively on the basis of texts, but primarily on the basis of video-recordings of performances, which reveal the structure of Vedic performances in a more easily accessible way. As for publication, some of our clips will appear on the "Vedic Ritual" channel set up at VIMEO: https://vimeo.com/channels/vedicritual Presentations: - 14:45 - 16:30 The Nihnava meaningless? a new perspective and analysis through videoregistration Jan Houben ? ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Paris Sciences et Lettres - 14:45 - 16:30 Filming in order to understand : the Vedic Fire Rituals Performed at Agnima?ha, Patan, Nepal Bal Gopal Shrestha ? International Institute for Asian Studies (IIAS) - 14:45 - 16:30 Clarifying confusing details of the Atir?tra Agnicayana animal sacrifice through video-registration Natalia Korneeva ? Institute for Oriental and Classical Studies, Russian State University for the Humanities - -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Jul 1 13:49:40 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 19 06:49:40 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????????? ?? ??????????????? ? ?????? ????????????? ???????? ?????? ??????? In the form of Krishna, this wish-fulfilling tree is growing in Gokula, setting aside the pride of the gods as givers of rewards. Madhav M. 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Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY > Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 2:03:54 PM To: Indology Subject: [INDOLOGY] Revocation of membership The INDOLOGY Governing Committee has discussed the insulting and foul language used against another member by fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr (second time) and found it to be a breach of the forum's Guidelines, para 5. His membership of this forum has been revoked. Dominik Wujastyk INDOLOGY committee member on duty this week. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de Mon Jul 1 22:40:21 2019 From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 19 00:40:21 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Revocation of membership In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5D1A8BD5.8080403@uni-muenchen.de> ? again. RZ Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote: > The INDOLOGY Governing Committee has discussed the insulting and foul language used against another member by fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr (second time) and found it to be a breach of the forum's Guidelines, para 5 . His membership of this forum has been revoked. > > Dominik Wujastyk > INDOLOGY committee member on duty this week. -- Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos Institute of Indology and Tibetology Department of Asian Studies Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU) Germany From rhododaktylos at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 00:27:39 2019 From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 19 01:27:39 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata_concordance=3F?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks to Aleix Ruiz Falqu?s, Paloma Mu?oz and Simon Brodbeck for their very prompt and very helpful responses! Once more the List has proven its kalpataruesque nature. For anyone interested, please find a printed concordance attached, in addition to the online version that Aleix linked to. All the best, Antonia On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 02:00, Antonia Ruppel wrote: > Dear all, > > Many thanks for the off-list (and inadvertently on-list:-)) expressions of > support! > > To make use of the list in the way it was intended to: would anyone have > or know whether there is a verse concordance of the Critical Edition of the > Mah?bh?rata (as found e.g. on GRETIL) and the version underlying the > Ganguli translation (as found on most other online sites, such as > sacred-texts.com)? 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Dean Anderson On Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 12:34:51 AM GMT+5:30, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote: The INDOLOGY Governing Committee has discussed the insulting and foul language used against another member by fournet.arnaud at wanadoo.fr (second time) and found it to be a breach of the forum's Guidelines, para 5.? His membership of this forum has been revoked. Dominik WujastykINDOLOGY committee member on duty this week. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 08:33:34 2019 From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 19 11:33:34 +0300 Subject: [INDOLOGY] just support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I want just to note down my name in this supporting thread. Neither all the human being nor all the men are closed to some voulgar and "exclusivist" positions which were pointed out by few scholars. Paolo E. Rosati -- Paolo E. Rosati PhD in Asian and African Studies (South Asia Section) Italian Institute of Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Skype: paoloe.rosati Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 Il lun 1 lug 2019, 03:21 Koenraad Elst via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> ha scritto: > > > Dear Agathe Keller, > > You write > >> >>> twenty years back already the original indology list had came down >>> precisely by a simillar kind of attack in which Konrad Elst was already >>> involved. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> This is roughly correct. Many times I have been "involved" in attacks, >> namely as the target of attack. Thus, I have been called "the scum of the >> earth" here. (By contrast, I myself have never called anyone that, and >> can't remember that level of abuse even in the heat of discussions.) >> Obviously in contravention of list rules, but nobody intervened, and nobody >> even expressed support, at least in public. >> > > Last year, it was Arnaud Fournet who attacked me, with the same fury you > have just been here. I thought this was too much, but the listmaster washed > his hands in innocence: "The list is not moderated." And I can't remember > *you* waxing indignant about this. > > More people have asked that I be punished for being attacked. But that > this demand is made by the same person who had done the attacking, in > multiple violation of list rules, that might be new. > > Yours regretfully, > > KE > >> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 11:57:14 2019 From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 19 17:27:14 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?B?W0lORE9MT0dZXSDgpIXgpK3gpL/gpKfgpL7gpKjgpLDgpKTgpY3gpKjgpK7gpL7gpLLgpL4gb2Yg4KS54KSy4KS+4KSv4KWB4KSn?= Message-ID: Dear Scholars, It gives me immense pleasure to present the below mentioned work. Abhidh?naratnam?l? of Hal?yudha. https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/abhidhanaratnamala_halayudha/orig/abhidhanaratnamala.txt Your suggestions / feedback are highly solicited. -- Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S Collector and District Magistrate, Surat www.sanskritworld.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Jul 2 13:35:43 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 19 06:35:43 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna Verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????: ????????????? ??????? The brilliant glow of Krishna shines in the space of the hearts of his friends, quenching all suffering, pleasant like the moonshine. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de Tue Jul 2 14:41:39 2019 From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 19 14:41:39 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata_concordance=3F?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Prof. Ruppel, thanks for the attached concordance. It may be helpful in some cases, though it only gives a very limited orientation. The 'received' method to find your way from the BORI edition to Ganguli's translation is to calculate as exactly as possible the verse number of the Bombay and/or Calcutta edition(s) by means of the verse numbers for "B" and/or "C" in the upper left (even pp.) and lower right (uneven pp.) margins of the BORI edition. You can then look up these numbers in S. S?rensen's "Concordance to the Bombay and Calcutta editions and P.C. Roy's translation", given in his "Index to the Names in the MBh" (pp. IX-XLI). The accuracy of the respective page number in Ganguli's translation depends on the edition you use, but the discrepancy should not be very great. This method has the advantage that it also works for many * (asterisk) and Appendix passages of the BORI ed. A searchable digitized version of S?rensen's index can be downloaded here: http://opac.sub.uni-goettingen.de/DB=1.20/CMD?ACT=SRCHA&IKT=1016&SRT=YOP&TRM=S%C3%B6rensen+index Best wishes, Reinhold Gr?nendahl ________________________________ Von: INDOLOGY im Auftrag von Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Juli 2019 02:27:39 An: Indology Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mah?bh?rata concordance? Many thanks to Aleix Ruiz Falqu?s, Paloma Mu?oz and Simon Brodbeck for their very prompt and very helpful responses! Once more the List has proven its kalpataruesque nature. For anyone interested, please find a printed concordance attached, in addition to the online version that Aleix linked to. All the best, Antonia On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 02:00, Antonia Ruppel > wrote: Dear all, Many thanks for the off-list (and inadvertently on-list:-)) expressions of support! To make use of the list in the way it was intended to: would anyone have or know whether there is a verse concordance of the Critical Edition of the Mah?bh?rata (as found e.g. on GRETIL) and the version underlying the Ganguli translation (as found on most other online sites, such as sacred-texts.com)? The text of the two greatly overlaps, but the split-up into sections varies, and I am trying to find a straightforward way of locating verses from one edition in the other. 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Best, Oliver From LubinT at wlu.edu Thu Jul 4 08:15:50 2019 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 19 08:15:50 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] ApSS Garbe/Caland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mj580u8b81eb5a4/ApSS.16-24.ed.Garbe.pdf?dl=0 Best, Tim Timothy Lubin Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Chair of the Department of Religion 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 From: INDOLOGY on behalf of INDOLOGY Reply-To: Oliver Hellwig Date: Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 12:05 PM To: INDOLOGY Subject: [INDOLOGY] ApSS Garbe/Caland Dear list, I am looking for pdfs of Garbe's edition of the ApSS 16ff. and Caland's translation of ApSS 1-15. I was able to locate Garbe 1-15 and Caland 16-24 on archive, but cannot find the other parts. Any help is highly appreciated! 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Any help is highly appreciated! Best, Oliver _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hellwig7 at gmx.de Thu Jul 4 09:15:03 2019 From: hellwig7 at gmx.de (Oliver Hellwig) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 19 11:15:03 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] ApSS Garbe/Caland [resolved] Message-ID: <84f66be5-0560-348d-8f1c-b06a01df5506@gmx.de> Thanks to Natalia Korneeva for providing these scans! Best, Oliver From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 09:45:13 2019 From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 19 11:45:13 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yoni-temples and Mahavidyas Message-ID: Dear Indologists, I would like to ask you if during your fieldworks in India have you ever met any temple (excluding Nilacala-Kamakhya) claiming to preserve the *yoni *of the Goddess Sati. A second question is if you ever met any site (again excluding Nilacala-Kamakhya) which preserves a private shrine for each of the ten Mahavidyas. Warm regards from an extremely hot Rome, Paolo -- *Paolo E. Rosati* *PhD in Asian and African Studies(South Asia Section)Italian Institute of Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome* *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ * paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Skype: paoloe.rosati Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 Mail priva di virus. www.avast.com <#m_-307788729362822632_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Jul 4 13:02:30 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 19 06:02:30 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ? ????? ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? In my ears, I hear the songs extolling your virtues, and the courtyard of Yashoda is always in front of my eyes. Madhav M. 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If someone has a nice scan I would be happy to upload it to Archive.org :) Kind regards, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim From arfalques at cantab.net Fri Jul 5 08:25:15 2019 From: arfalques at cantab.net (=?utf-8?Q?Aleix_Ruiz_Falqu=C3=A9s?=) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 19 14:55:15 +0630 Subject: [INDOLOGY] TAKAKUSU Junjiro's "A Pali Chrestomathy" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Antonio and colleagues, I would also be interested in a scanned copy of this publication. Best wishes, Aleix On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 13:27, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Does anyone have a scanned copy available of the original 1900 print > of TAKAKUSU Junjir?'s "A Pail Chrestomathy with Notes and Glossary > Giving Sanskrit and Chinese Equivalents" published in 1900 by Kinkodo > & Co? > > I picked up a reprint in Japan a while ago but it seems like the > reprints from 1908(?) onwards removed the 94 page English preface! > > If someone has a nice scan I would be happy to upload it to Archive.org :) > > Kind regards, > Antonio Ferreira-Jardim > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Aleix Ruiz-Falqu?s Pali Lecturer Head of the Department of Pali and Languages Shan State Buddhist University Phaya Phyu, Taunggyi, Myanmar 140101 (+95) 09428757648 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many thanks, Shayne. all best, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Clarke, Shayne via INDOLOGY Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 8:34:33 AM To: indology at list.indology.info Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] TAKAKUSU Junjiro's "A Pali Chrestomathy" Dear Antonio and list members, A scan of the 1900 original is available from the National Diet Library of Japan: http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/869579 http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/869579?itemId=info%3Andljp%2Fpid%2F869579&__lang=en Best, Shayne Clarke On Jul 5, 2019, at 2:57 AM, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear colleagues, Does anyone have a scanned copy available of the original 1900 print of TAKAKUSU Junjir?'s "A Pail Chrestomathy with Notes and Glossary Giving Sanskrit and Chinese Equivalents" published in 1900 by Kinkodo & Co? I picked up a reprint in Japan a while ago but it seems like the reprints from 1908(?) onwards removed the 94 page English preface! If someone has a nice scan I would be happy to upload it to Archive.org :) Kind regards, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arfalques at cantab.net Fri Jul 5 23:30:50 2019 From: arfalques at cantab.net (=?utf-8?Q?Aleix_Ruiz_Falqu=C3=A9s?=) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 19 06:00:50 +0630 Subject: [INDOLOGY] TAKAKUSU Junjiro's "A Pali Chrestomathy" In-Reply-To: <4EFFF008-7DDE-487B-9C21-7B86E4A569C7@mcmaster.ca> Message-ID: Thanks a lot, Shayne! Best, A. On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 20:04, Clarke, Shayne via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Antonio and list members, > > A scan of the 1900 original is available from the National Diet Library of > Japan: > http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/869579 > > http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/869579?itemId=info%3Andljp%2Fpid%2F869579&__lang=en > > > Best, > Shayne Clarke > > > > On Jul 5, 2019, at 2:57 AM, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > Does anyone have a scanned copy available of the original 1900 print > of TAKAKUSU Junjir?'s "A Pail Chrestomathy with Notes and Glossary > Giving Sanskrit and Chinese Equivalents" published in 1900 by Kinkodo > & Co? > > I picked up a reprint in Japan a while ago but it seems like the > reprints from 1908(?) onwards removed the 94 page English preface! > > If someone has a nice scan I would be happy to upload it to Archive.org :) > > Kind regards, > Antonio Ferreira-Jardim > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Aleix Ruiz-Falqu?s Pali Lecturer Head of the Department of Pali and Languages Shan State Buddhist University Phaya Phyu, Taunggyi, Myanmar 140101 (+95) 09428757648 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antonio.jardim at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 04:54:11 2019 From: antonio.jardim at gmail.com (Antonio Ferreira-Jardim) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 19 14:54:11 +1000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] TAKAKUSU Junjiro's "A Pali Chrestomathy" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Shayne, Thank you very much! I can't believe I didn't think to look it up in the Diet Library under "?????????". Wonderful and a great reminder to the rest of us that the Diet library can be a great resource for scans! Kind regards, Antonio On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 9:31 AM Aleix Ruiz Falqu?s via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Thanks a lot, Shayne! > > Best, > A. > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 20:04, Clarke, Shayne via INDOLOGY wrote: >> >> Dear Antonio and list members, >> >> A scan of the 1900 original is available from the National Diet Library of Japan: >> http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/869579 >> http://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/869579?itemId=info%3Andljp%2Fpid%2F869579&__lang=en >> >> Best, >> Shayne Clarke >> >> >> >> On Jul 5, 2019, at 2:57 AM, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim via INDOLOGY wrote: >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> Does anyone have a scanned copy available of the original 1900 print >> of TAKAKUSU Junjir?'s "A Pail Chrestomathy with Notes and Glossary >> Giving Sanskrit and Chinese Equivalents" published in 1900 by Kinkodo >> & Co? >> >> I picked up a reprint in Japan a while ago but it seems like the >> reprints from 1908(?) onwards removed the 94 page English preface! >> >> If someone has a nice scan I would be happy to upload it to Archive.org :) >> >> Kind regards, >> Antonio Ferreira-Jardim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > -- > Aleix Ruiz-Falqu?s > Pali Lecturer > Head of the Department of Pali and Languages > Shan State Buddhist University > Phaya Phyu, Taunggyi, Myanmar 140101 > (+95) 09428757648 > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Jul 6 12:56:56 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 19 05:56:56 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????????????????? ??????? ????????: ? ????????? ??? ??????????????? ????????? ??????? Pervading everything, you are the sole incarnation of joy. How can anything in this world be joyless? Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pf8 at soas.ac.uk Sun Jul 7 12:05:11 2019 From: pf8 at soas.ac.uk (Peter Flugel) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 19 13:05:11 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publications of the Centre of Jaina Studies at SOAS Message-ID: On the Medical Doctrines in the Tandulavey?liya: 2. Teachings of Anatomy Author: Colette Caillat. Translated from the French by Brianne Donaldson Year: 2019 ISSN: 1748-1074 International Journal of Jaina Studies (Online) Vol. 15, No. 1 (2019) 1-12 In this translated essay, originally published in French, Colette Caillat examines the teachings of anatomy in the Tandulavey?liya, one of the Prak?r?aka-s?tras in the Svet?mbara Jain canon. Caillat explores similarities and discrepancies between the accounts of physiology described in the Tandulavey?liya and other classical medical treatises of the time, such as Caraka- and Su?ruta-sa?hit?s, as well as the Vi??u-sm?ti, Y?j?avalkya-sm?ti, and Garbha-upani?ad. Alongside these comparisons, Caillat also highlights singular contributions found in the Tandulavey?liya, namely the unique anatomical accounts of women and "third-sex"/"neuter" individuals (pa??aga [Skt. pa??aka]). Download File (pdf; 391kb) The Influence of Jainism on Early Kannada Literature: Sheldon Pollock?s Work Language of Gods Author: Hampa Nagarajaiah (Hampana) Year: 2019 ISSN: 1748-1074 International Journal of Jaina Studies (Online) Vol. 15, No. 2 (2019) 1-24 The credit of establishing Kannada as one of the foremost literary languages of far greater significance and dimension goes to Sheldon Pollock. In his book, Language of the Gods in the World of Men, he has narrated the history and described the core characteristics of Kannada literature, and accomplished the task that was long due. About 50 pages in chapter 9, and some pages in chapter 10, are devoted to the historical development of Kannada. Befitting references to the antiquity, density, historicity, sociology, literary production and other accomplishments are presented. However, Pollock?s statement ?Jainism has little or nothing to do with Early Kannada literature? is unjustified. A vast corpus of literature produced by Jain litterateurs is either ignored or diluted. For instance, the Va???r?dhane, the earliest extant major work of Kannada literature, singular for its poetic prose, does not figure in the book. References to ?r?vijaya's two k?vyas, the Raghuva??apur??a and the Candraprabhapur??a are missing. The Y?pan?ya-sa?gha, a prominent sect, mentioned in many medieval inscriptions and enjoying royal donations, does not even figure for its name sake. Jinavallabha, the younger brother of poet Pampa, was adroit in Telugu, adept in Kannada and proficient in Sanskrit. He is the earliest poet in Telugu and wrote a famous inscription in three languages. The paper is a critique of Sheldon Pollock's book Language of the Gods in the World of Men with special reference to the treatment of Kannada, which awaits serious analysis and an extensive debate. Download File (pdf; 180kb) [image: Adobe PDF File Icon] On Word-Numerals in N?gavarma?s Canarese Prosody Author: Dipak Jadhav Year: 2019 ISSN: 1748-1074 International Journal of Jaina Studies (Online) Vol. 15, No. 3 (2019) 1-21 This paper studies eighty word-numerals referred to in the Canarese prosody of the Jain writer N?gavarma of the late 10th century. Almost all of them are in Sanskrit. This paper also shows why they represent the corresponding numbers. Every word-numeral is the bearer of thought, deeply rooted in ancient Indian society, whether it is from the Vedic culture or the Paur??ika culture or the epic culture or the Jaina culture. Download File (pdf; 163kb) Fl?gel, Peter (2018) *Askese und Devotion: Das rituelle System der Ter?panth ?vet?mbara Jaina**. *Band I-II. Dettelbach: R?ll Verlag. (Alt- und Neuindische Studien 56.1-2) https://roell-verlag.de -- Dr Peter Fl?gel Chair, Centre of Jaina Studies Department of History, Religions and Philosophies School of Oriental and African Studies University of London Thornhaugh Street Russell Square London WC1H OXG Tel.: (+44-20) 7898 4776 E-mail: pf8 at soas.ac.uk http://www.soas.ac.uk/jainastudies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Jul 7 13:04:50 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 19 06:04:50 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????? ?????? ?????????????? ????? ?????? ???? ? ?????????????? ????? ??????? ? ????? ???? ??????? Entering into every drop, you sweeten the world. Infused with you, how will this whole world not be delightful? Madhav M. 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I will be more discriminating next time (I hope). >this is not my week; I finished on Sunday. Just in time. Congratulations. :-) And thanks. Dean On Monday, July 8, 2019, 2:36:18 PM GMT+5:30, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear everyone, When querying matters relating to the management of the INDOLOGY forum please, please write to the committee, - indology-owner ? (also given on the main INDOLOGY.info website) not to me or the other committee members individually.? We take turns being on duty, and this is not my week; I finished on Sunday. Best,Dominik Wujastyk _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bhatt's four-volume Brahma P?r??a translation (published in around 1955/56)? archive.org only has volumes I, III and IV. Many thanks, Antonia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhododaktylos at gmail.com Mon Jul 8 23:23:57 2019 From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 19 00:23:57 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Brahma_P=C5=ABr=C4=81=E1=B9=87a?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (Or perhaps even Vol. II of the Brahma Pur??a with a short u? One should not write emails to international mailing lists when tired:-).) On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 00:12, Antonia Ruppel wrote: > Dear listfolk, > > Would any of you happen to have a pdf of Vol. II of G. P. > Bhatt's four-volume Brahma P?r??a translation (published in around > 1955/56)? archive.org only has volumes I, III and IV. > > Many thanks, > Antonia > > > > -- Dr Antonia Ruppel cambridge-sanskrit.org allthingssanskrit.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de Tue Jul 9 12:22:02 2019 From: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de (Julia Hegewald) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 19 14:22:02 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Calls for Application for 1 Research Group Leader In-Reply-To: <006e01d5363f$aef9be60$0ced3b20$@uni-bonn.de> Message-ID: Dear All, the Bonn Center for Dependency and Slavery Studies seeks to employ a Postdoc research group leader for its Research Area B ?Embodied Dependencies?. Please find the information below: https://www.uni-bonn.de/die-universitaet/stellenangebote/abt.-3.2/rgl-area-b-bcdss With kind regards, Julia Hegewald. Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald Professorin f?r Orientalische Kunstgeschichte Abteilungsleiterin Universit?t Bonn Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften (IOA) Abteilung f?r Asiatische und Islamische Kunstgeschichte Adenauerallee 10 D ? 53113 Bonn Email: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de www.aik.uni-bonn.de Tel. 0228-73 7213 Fax. 0228-73 4042 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Jul 9 13:11:54 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 19 06:11:54 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ??????? ???????????? ????????????? ? ???? ?????? ??????? ????????????? ? ??????? O Lord of Gokula, you have entered into the waves of Yamuna, into the cows, cowherds and the hearts of the cowgirls. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Tue Jul 9 16:08:32 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 19 18:08:32 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Brahma_P=C5=ABr=C4=81=E1=B9=87a?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If II doesn't surface, there's a detailed summary of all chapters of the purana by Soehnen and Schreiner. Probably you already know. Best, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 01:25, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > (Or perhaps even Vol. II of the Brahma Pur??a with a short u? One should > not write emails to international mailing lists when tired:-).) > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 00:12, Antonia Ruppel > wrote: > >> Dear listfolk, >> >> Would any of you happen to have a pdf of Vol. II of G. P. >> Bhatt's four-volume Brahma P?r??a translation (published in around >> 1955/56)? archive.org only has volumes I, III and IV. >> >> Many thanks, >> Antonia >> >> >> >> > > -- > Dr Antonia Ruppel > cambridge-sanskrit.org > allthingssanskrit.com > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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P. > Bhatt's four-volume Brahma P?r??a translation (published in around > 1955/56)? archive.org only has volumes I, III and IV. > > Many thanks, > Antonia From racleach at googlemail.com Wed Jul 10 10:06:00 2019 From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 19 11:06:00 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chatterji article in 'Our Heritage' Message-ID: Dear list members, I'm writing in the hope that someone might have a copy of the following paper (or volume) they'd be willing to share: Bandana Chatterji "The Story of P?thu as utilised by the early Sanskrit poets" in *Our Heritage *vol 23, 1 (1975): 11-27. I'd be very grateful! Many thanks, Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Jul 11 12:43:54 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 19 05:43:54 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????? ???????????? ?????? ???????????? ? ???????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ??????? The water if Yamuna is dark, and so is the bank of Yamuna. With the dust of the feet of Krishna, the ground in Gokula is dark. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jm63 at soas.ac.uk Thu Jul 11 13:46:49 2019 From: jm63 at soas.ac.uk (James Mallinson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 19 14:46:49 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for edition pdfs Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Would anyone happen to have a soft copy of the following? ? Para?ur?makalpas?tra with the commentary (-v?rtti, Saubh?gyodaya) of R?me?vara, ed. A. Mahadeva Sastri, rev. and enl. Sakarlal Yajneswar Sastri Dave. Gaekwad?s Oriental Series 22. Baroda: Oriental Institute, 1950. [NB it?s the revised edition of 1950 I?m after, not the original 1923 ed.] I?ve tried archive.org and the dli with no luck. Yours, with best wishes, Jim From jm63 at soas.ac.uk Thu Jul 11 14:10:25 2019 From: jm63 at soas.ac.uk (James Mallinson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 19 15:10:25 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for edition pdfs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <838B6F96-5B2A-4430-A711-0AA474702393@soas.ac.uk> Dear colleagues, Many thanks to Rafal Kleczek, Lidia Wotczak and Christophe Vieille for their swift-as-thought responses, which have provided me with a link to the edition I was after and made me realise that I need to work on refining (or perhaps unrefining) my search terms on archive.org. Yours, with best wishes, Jim > On 11 Jul 2019, at 14:46, James Mallinson wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > Would anyone happen to have a soft copy of the following? > > ? Para?ur?makalpas?tra with the commentary (-v?rtti, Saubh?gyodaya) of R?me?vara, ed. A. Mahadeva Sastri, rev. and enl. Sakarlal Yajneswar Sastri Dave. Gaekwad?s Oriental Series 22. Baroda: Oriental Institute, 1950. [NB it?s the revised edition of 1950 I?m after, not the original 1923 ed.] > > I?ve tried archive.org and the dli with no luck. > > Yours, with best wishes, > > Jim > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[NB > it?s the revised edition of 1950 I?m after, not the original 1923 ed.] > > I?ve tried archive.org and the dli with no luck. > > Yours, with best wishes, > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Jul 12 13:13:23 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 19 06:13:23 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ??????????????????? ????? ???? ??????: ? ????:?????? ???:?????? ????? ???????? ???? ??????? The wind blows fragrant due to the touch of the sandal paste of Krishna. Dark inside and out, the entire world is filled with Krishna. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Jul 13 12:59:52 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 19 05:59:52 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ???????? ???: ??????? ??????? ??????: ? ??????????? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????? ??????? The stream of Krishna's love fills everything on all sides. Untouched by it, nothing is born nor will be born. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Jul 14 02:04:37 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 19 19:04:37 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Publication of my 2018 Gonda Lecture Message-ID: I am pleased to announce the publication of the 26th J. Gonda Lecture that I delivered in 2018: "From P??ini to Pata?jali and Beyond - Development of Religious Motifs in Sanskrit Grammar." The pdf of this publication is available on the following website: www.knaw.nl I have not tried downloading it, but this is what the published version says. Let me know if there are any issues with downloading. With best regards, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Jul 14 03:15:00 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 19 20:15:00 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0gUHVibGljYXRpb24gb2YgbXkgMjAxOCBHb25kYSBMZWN0dXJl?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Megh Ji, Thanks for letting me know the difficulties. I also searched the website (www.knaw.nl) and have not yet located my publication. I received the printed copies today, and the printed copy directs one to this website for a pdf. It is possible that they have not yet uploaded the pdf on their website. I just saw the letter that came with the printed copies and it says: "We will start to distribute them on 22 November 2019 (the day of the 27th Gonda Lecture." So it seems possible that the pdf of my lecture will show up on that date. Thanks for your patience. Will keep you posted. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 7:44 PM Megh Kalyanasundaram < kalyanasundaram.megh at gmail.com> wrote: > Namaste Professor Deshpande, > > I write this note to you as you have asked to be informed if there are any > issues with downloading pdf of your published lecture *From P??ini to > Pata?jali and Beyond - Development of Religious Motifs in Sanskrit Grammar* > from www.knaw.nl. *From P??ini to Pata?jali and Beyond* in the search > function of the website www.knaw.nl yields only this > calendar entry > (included also as an image, below). Also, No results were found when the > search was refined to include only "publication" (second image, below). The > pdf of *From P??ini to Pata?jali and Beyond - Development of Religious > Motifs in Sanskrit Grammar *is not visible in this > list > either (Overview of Gonda lectures from 1993 to 2016) > > Best, > Megh > > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-14 at 08.01.02.png] > [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-14 at 08.08.56.png] > > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 7:35 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > >> I am pleased to announce the publication of the 26th J. Gonda Lecture >> that I delivered in 2018: "From P??ini to Pata?jali and Beyond - >> Development of Religious Motifs in Sanskrit Grammar." >> >> The pdf of this publication is available on the following website: >> www.knaw.nl >> >> I have not tried downloading it, but this is what the published version >> says. Let me know if there are any issues with downloading. >> >> With best regards, >> >> Madhav M. 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URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 12:42:37 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 19 14:42:37 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_=C5=9Aabdaratnasamanvaya_of_S=C4=81haj=C4=AB_-_request_for_missing_pages?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear all, I can't help with this query. But may I encourage everyone that if you are able to repair a book on archive org, that you later upload the new, improved version, with a note saying what's happened. On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 08:37 Dhaval Patel via INDOLOGY, < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear scholars, > I am looking for two missing pages (18 and 19) of the above mentioned work. > I have a scan from archive.org or jainaelibrary (I am not sure). > That has these two pages missing. > If anyone of you who has access to another version of scanned copy or > physical copy can pass these two pages to me, I would be grateful. > > Publication details - > Gaekwad's Oriental Series > ?abdaratnasamanvaya Ko?a > of > King S?haj? of Tanjore > Critically edited by > Vitthalram Lalluram Shastri > > > -- > Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S > Collector and District Magistrate, Surat > www.sanskritworld.in > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Jul 15 13:21:02 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 19 06:21:02 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0gUHVibGljYXRpb24gb2YgbXkgMjAxOCBHb25kYSBMZWN0dXJl?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I received an official answer from the Royal Dutch Academy about the pdf of my Gonda Lecture: "The pdf of the Lecture will be available on our website from 22 November 2019. During that day the 27th Gonda Lecture will be held and Wout will present the printed version of the 26th Gonda Lecture to all the participants." Once the pdf is uploaded on their website, I will send another announcement. Best regards, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 8:15 PM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Dear Megh Ji, > > Thanks for letting me know the difficulties. I also searched the > website (www.knaw.nl) and have not yet located my publication. I > received the printed copies today, and the printed copy directs one to this > website for a pdf. It is possible that they have not yet uploaded the pdf > on their website. I just saw the letter that came with the printed copies > and it says: "We will start to distribute them on 22 November 2019 (the day > of the 27th Gonda Lecture." So it seems possible that the pdf of my > lecture will show up on that date. Thanks for your patience. Will keep > you posted. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 7:44 PM Megh Kalyanasundaram < > kalyanasundaram.megh at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Namaste Professor Deshpande, >> >> I write this note to you as you have asked to be informed if there are >> any issues with downloading pdf of your published lecture *From P??ini >> to Pata?jali and Beyond - Development of Religious Motifs in Sanskrit >> Grammar* from www.knaw.nl. *From P??ini to Pata?jali and Beyond* in the >> search function of the website www.knaw.nl yields only this >> calendar entry >> (included also as an image, below). Also, No results were found when the >> search was refined to include only "publication" (second image, below). The >> pdf of *From P??ini to Pata?jali and Beyond - Development of Religious >> Motifs in Sanskrit Grammar *is not visible in this >> list >> either (Overview of Gonda lectures from 1993 to 2016) >> >> Best, >> Megh >> >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-14 at 08.01.02.png] >> [image: Screen Shot 2019-07-14 at 08.08.56.png] >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 7:35 AM Madhav Deshpande >> wrote: >> >>> I am pleased to announce the publication of the 26th J. Gonda Lecture >>> that I delivered in 2018: "From P??ini to Pata?jali and Beyond - >>> Development of Religious Motifs in Sanskrit Grammar." >>> >>> The pdf of this publication is available on the following website: >>> www.knaw.nl >>> >>> I have not tried downloading it, but this is what the published version >>> says. Let me know if there are any issues with downloading. >>> >>> With best regards, >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >>> >>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "???????????????????" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAB3-dze8TSv-UpCHApD-NHoahZuBmPXMufsew1_cvyrA%3D4QaQw%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tccahill at loyno.edu Mon Jul 15 23:02:58 2019 From: tccahill at loyno.edu (Timothy Cahill) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 19 19:02:58 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] searching for J.B. Chaudhuri's Rasa-jivana Message-ID: Greetings, If anyone has a soft copy of this book I would appreciate it. The Rasika-jivana. Critically edited for the first time with copious references, appendices, etc. by Jatindra Bimal Chaudhuri. Author: son of Gauri?pati Gada?dhara Bhat?t?a ; Jatindrabimal Chaudhuri Publisher: Calcutta [J.B. Chaudhuri] 1944. I have not yet repaired any electronic versions of book on archive.org --but I hope to be able to do so soon. In the meantime Google has taken a suggestion to permit open access to Richard Pischel's De grammaticis prakriticis ... (1874). Brianna of The Google Books Team writes: We?ve completed our review of this book, and it has been approved for full view. You should be able to view the complete contents here . Sincerely, Tim -- Timothy C. Cahill, PhD Associate Professor Department of Religious Studies Loyola University New Orleans 6363 St. Charles Ave. New Orleans, Louisiana 70118 USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gthomgt at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 01:36:59 2019 From: gthomgt at gmail.com (George Thompson) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 19 21:36:59 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sad news: Jo. Narten In-Reply-To: <8FF47F9B-9AFF-42D1-8CEB-A90436E71E6E@fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Dear Michael and List, I am sorry to hear of the loss of your dear friend who was also a great Indo-Iranist. I have learned so much from her! I mourn with you, George Thompson On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 9:27 AM Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I am aggrieved to bring sad news: Today my old friend Johanna Narten has > passed away. > > Among Indologists, Iranists and Indo-Europeanists, she is well remembered > for her work on the Indo-European and Skt. verbal system, for example the > s-Aorist; on Zoroaster?s Yasna Haptanhaiti, and the Amesha Spentas in the > Avesta. > > More news to follow. > Michael Witzel > > ---------------------------- > See for example: > Johanna Narten: Die sigmatischen Aoriste im Veda, [v], 311 pp > > www.worldcat.org/title/anusantatyai-festschrift? > www.amazon.com/Yasna-Haptanhaiti-German-Johanna.. > Johanna Narten: Die Am??a Sp??tas im Avesta. xii, 155 ... > > Johanna Narten. Kleine Schriften - Walmart.com > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: iNARTEN-mg2167.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 9357 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vitus.angermeier at univie.ac.at Tue Jul 16 09:47:17 2019 From: vitus.angermeier at univie.ac.at (Vitus Angermeier) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 19 11:47:17 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nagarjun - Ayurvedic Journal Message-ID: <56f3a6a0-774d-738a-e7a1-8bccdd745d15@univie.ac.at> Dear List, While Nagarjun vol 2. from 1959 is available at archive.org (https://archive.org/details/dli.bengal.10689.19824) I was not able to find vol. 1 which was probably published in 1958. Does anyone know if there exists a digital copy of this volume? Kind regards, Vitus Angermeier From wujastyk at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 09:55:43 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 19 11:55:43 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nagarjun - Ayurvedic Journal In-Reply-To: <56f3a6a0-774d-738a-e7a1-8bccdd745d15@univie.ac.at> Message-ID: It is possible that there's a copy in the Wellcome Library. Try their OPAC (wellcomelibrary.org, from memory), or write to a librarian there. -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 11:48, Vitus Angermeier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear List, > > While Nagarjun vol 2. from 1959 is available at archive.org > (https://archive.org/details/dli.bengal.10689.19824) I was not able to > find vol. 1 which was probably published in 1958. Does anyone know if > there exists a digital copy of this volume? > > Kind regards, > Vitus Angermeier > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ajit.gargeshwari at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 11:45:37 2019 From: ajit.gargeshwari at gmail.com (Ajit Gargeshwari) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 19 17:15:37 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_=E2=80=8B=C5=9Aabdaratnasamanvaya_of_S=C4=81haj=C4=AB_-_request_for_missing_pages?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When one says pages are missing from a book at archive.org, please give a complete downloadable link for the book so that corrected books with notes can be uploaded. Archives, might have multiple copies of a given book uploaded by different users. I had downloaded the book several years ago from archives.org and there are no missing pages in the pdf I had downloaded. You can download the requested pages from this link. https://we.tl/t-OKmSwi7QLb Regards Ajit Gargeshwari ? ????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?? ? ????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????? ???????? ???????2.20?? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dhaval Patel > To: bvparishat at googlegroups.com, indology at list.indology.info > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 12:06:35 +0530 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] ?abdaratnasamanvaya of S?haj? - request for missing > pages > Dear scholars, > I am looking for two missing pages (18 and 19) of the above mentioned work. > I have a scan from archive.org or jainaelibrary (I am not sure). > That has these two pages missing. > If anyone of you who has access to another version of scanned copy or > physical copy can pass these two pages to me, I would be grateful. > > Publication details - > Gaekwad's Oriental Series > ?abdaratnasamanvaya Ko?a > of > King S?haj? of Tanjore > Critically edited by > Vitthalram Lalluram Shastri > > > -- > Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S > Collector and District Magistrate, Surat > www.sanskritworld.in > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dominik Wujastyk > To: dhaval patel > Cc: bvparishat at googlegroups.com, Indology > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:42:37 +0200 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] ?abdaratnasamanvaya of S?haj? - request for > missing pages > Dear all, > > I can't help with this query. But may I encourage everyone that if you > are able to repair a book on archive org, that you later upload the new, > improved version, with a note saying what's happened. > > On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 08:37 Dhaval Patel via INDOLOGY, < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear scholars, >> I am looking for two missing pages (18 and 19) of the above mentioned >> work. >> I have a scan from archive.org or jainaelibrary (I am not sure). >> That has these two pages missing. >> If anyone of you who has access to another version of scanned copy or >> physical copy can pass these two pages to me, I would be grateful. >> >> Publication details - >> Gaekwad's Oriental Series >> ?abdaratnasamanvaya Ko?a >> of >> King S?haj? of Tanjore >> Critically edited by >> Vitthalram Lalluram Shastri >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S >> Collector and District Magistrate, Surat >> www.sanskritworld.in >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Jul 17 03:37:36 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 19 20:37:36 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Download link for my Vancouver WSC paper Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, Here is the download link for my paper ["Scope of Early Sanskrit Usage : A Wider Approach"] for the Vancouver WSC. Due to health reasons, I was unable to personally attend the conference, but I did submit my paper and here it is. With best regards, https://open.library.ubc.ca/cIRcle/collections/70440/items/1.0379841 Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Jul 17 13:15:33 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 19 06:15:33 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses (Honoring the Gurus) ??????????? ? ????: ?????: ?????????????? ? ? ??????????????????????? ???? ????: ?? [Cf. Yogas?tra: ? ??????????? ????: ????????????????] Krishna, the advisor of Arjuna, is the teacher of even the previous teachers. Since he has no limitation of time, he is the ultimate teacher of teachers. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hellwig7 at gmx.de Thu Jul 18 07:24:57 2019 From: hellwig7 at gmx.de (Oliver Hellwig) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 19 09:24:57 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Atharvaveda translations Message-ID: <311f45a7-2960-44ba-3429-1e5e5631b01c@gmx.de> Dear all, I have compiled some publicly available translations of the AV in a common format, so you can address translations of individual stanzas by searching for something like 1.3.2 (book 1, hymn 3, stanza 2; see the readme file). The data may be less useful for philologists, but interesting for NLP (e.g. information retrieval, machine translation [when much more data are available], automatic word sense disambiguation, ...): https://github.com/OliverHellwig/sanskrit/tree/master/dcs/data/atharvaveda-shaunaka/translations BTW: If you come across other pre-formatted and relatively error-free translations of relevant texts, I would be glad to get a short note. Best, Oliver --- Oliver Hellwig, IVS Z?rich From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Jul 18 13:21:17 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 19 06:21:17 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ? ???????????????? ??????????? ???: ??????? ? ?????????????????????????????: ? ????: ?? Cf. Yogasutra: ???????????????????????????: ?????????? ?????:, ???? ???????? ???????????? ? No one ever exceeds the omniscience of my Krishna. He is completely untouched by defilements, fruition of Karma etc. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Versione stampabile - Regolamento generale per l?utilizzo della rete telematica di Sapienza Printable version - General regulation for the use of Sapienza's computer network Centro InfoSapienza - SapienzaWireless Per assistenza: 06.4969.0113 - netcom at uniroma1.it <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.pasedach at googlemail.com Thu Jul 18 21:33:52 2019 From: peter.pasedach at googlemail.com (Peter Mukunda Pasedach) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 19 23:33:52 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_PDF_of_Bhandarkar_Report_1897/verse_in_praise_of_=C5=9Aivasv=C4=81min?= Message-ID: Dear all, would anyone have a pdf of the "Report on the Search for Sanskrit Manuscripts in the Bombay Presidency, during the Years 1887-88, 1888-89, 1889-90 and 1890-91"? I am aware of http://wujastyk.net/mscats/Sanskrit_Catalogues/Biswas%200854%20Poona%20-%20Bhandarkar%20search%201887/Bhandarkar_Report_on_the_Search_for_Sanskrit_Mss_Bombay_1887.pdf , but unfortunately its last pages, with roman pages numbers, are missing. Gauri Shankar, in the introduction to his edition of the Kapphi??bhyudaya (p. xlvi), mentions an anonymous verse in praise of its author ?ivasv?min, apparently featured in the description of the Kav?ndravacanasamuccaya in the book I am searching, on p. xi: v?ky?ni dvipad?yut?ny atha mah?k?vy?ni sapta kram?t tryak?apratyahanirmitastutikath?lak???i caik?da?a | k?tv? n??akan??ik?prakara?apr?y?n prabandh?n bah?n vi?r?maty adhun?pi n?ti?ayit? v??? ?ivasv?mina? || Which is of interest not only because of the remarkable number of seven Mah?k?vyas (and other works) attributed to ?ivasv?min, but also because of its mention of the "eleven lacs of hymns and narratives composed day by day in praise of ?iva" (tr. Shankar, or maybe Bhandarkar?) suggesting him to be a ?aiva, while his only preserved work plays on a Buddhist theme. This verse makes its appearance in other places, too, with variant readings. Any complete pdf, or scans of the few relevant pages, or thoughts on the verse in question are welcome! Best regards, Peter Pasedach From peter.pasedach at googlemail.com Fri Jul 19 07:46:08 2019 From: peter.pasedach at googlemail.com (Peter Mukunda Pasedach) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 19 09:46:08 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09PDF_of_Bhandarkar_Report_1897/verse_in_praise_of_=C5=9Aivasv=C4=81min?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear all, many thanks to Gaia Pintucci for providing me with her scan of the book (https://we.tl/t-zv3wny9fZI , available until 26 July). Best, Peter Am Do., 18. Juli 2019 um 23:33 Uhr schrieb Peter Mukunda Pasedach : > > Dear all, > > would anyone have a pdf of the > > "Report on the Search for Sanskrit Manuscripts in the Bombay > Presidency, during the Years 1887-88, 1888-89, 1889-90 and 1890-91"? > > I am aware of http://wujastyk.net/mscats/Sanskrit_Catalogues/Biswas%200854%20Poona%20-%20Bhandarkar%20search%201887/Bhandarkar_Report_on_the_Search_for_Sanskrit_Mss_Bombay_1887.pdf > , but unfortunately its last pages, with roman pages numbers, are > missing. > > Gauri Shankar, in the introduction to his edition of the > Kapphi??bhyudaya (p. xlvi), mentions an anonymous verse in praise of > its author ?ivasv?min, apparently featured in the description of the > Kav?ndravacanasamuccaya in the book I am searching, on p. xi: > > v?ky?ni dvipad?yut?ny atha mah?k?vy?ni sapta kram?t > tryak?apratyahanirmitastutikath?lak???i caik?da?a | > k?tv? n??akan??ik?prakara?apr?y?n prabandh?n bah?n > vi?r?maty adhun?pi n?ti?ayit? v??? ?ivasv?mina? || > > Which is of interest not only because of the remarkable number of > seven Mah?k?vyas (and other works) attributed to ?ivasv?min, but also > because of its mention of the "eleven lacs of hymns and narratives > composed day by day in praise of ?iva" (tr. Shankar, or maybe > Bhandarkar?) suggesting him to be a ?aiva, while his only preserved > work plays on a Buddhist theme. This verse makes its appearance in > other places, too, with variant readings. Any complete pdf, or scans > of the few relevant pages, or thoughts on the verse in question are > welcome! > > Best regards, > > Peter Pasedach From peter.pasedach at googlemail.com Fri Jul 19 08:08:34 2019 From: peter.pasedach at googlemail.com (Peter Mukunda Pasedach) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 19 10:08:34 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09PDF_of_Bhandarkar_Report_1897/verse_in_praise_of_=C5=9Aivasv=C4=81min?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear all, one addition: I actually now realized that the link in my initial mail was to Biswas 0854, thus a different book, and that this one is numbered by Biswas as 0856, indeed not yet featured on http://catalogues.indology.info/ . Best, Peter Am Fr., 19. Juli 2019 um 09:46 Uhr schrieb Peter Mukunda Pasedach : > > Dear all, > > many thanks to Gaia Pintucci for providing me with her scan of the > book (https://we.tl/t-zv3wny9fZI , available until 26 July). > > Best, > > Peter > > Am Do., 18. Juli 2019 um 23:33 Uhr schrieb Peter Mukunda Pasedach > : > > > > Dear all, > > > > would anyone have a pdf of the > > > > "Report on the Search for Sanskrit Manuscripts in the Bombay > > Presidency, during the Years 1887-88, 1888-89, 1889-90 and 1890-91"? > > > > I am aware of http://wujastyk.net/mscats/Sanskrit_Catalogues/Biswas%200854%20Poona%20-%20Bhandarkar%20search%201887/Bhandarkar_Report_on_the_Search_for_Sanskrit_Mss_Bombay_1887.pdf > > , but unfortunately its last pages, with roman pages numbers, are > > missing. > > > > Gauri Shankar, in the introduction to his edition of the > > Kapphi??bhyudaya (p. xlvi), mentions an anonymous verse in praise of > > its author ?ivasv?min, apparently featured in the description of the > > Kav?ndravacanasamuccaya in the book I am searching, on p. xi: > > > > v?ky?ni dvipad?yut?ny atha mah?k?vy?ni sapta kram?t > > tryak?apratyahanirmitastutikath?lak???i caik?da?a | > > k?tv? n??akan??ik?prakara?apr?y?n prabandh?n bah?n > > vi?r?maty adhun?pi n?ti?ayit? v??? ?ivasv?mina? || > > > > Which is of interest not only because of the remarkable number of > > seven Mah?k?vyas (and other works) attributed to ?ivasv?min, but also > > because of its mention of the "eleven lacs of hymns and narratives > > composed day by day in praise of ?iva" (tr. Shankar, or maybe > > Bhandarkar?) suggesting him to be a ?aiva, while his only preserved > > work plays on a Buddhist theme. This verse makes its appearance in > > other places, too, with variant readings. Any complete pdf, or scans > > of the few relevant pages, or thoughts on the verse in question are > > welcome! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Peter Pasedach From a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 19 09:33:11 2019 From: a.murugaiyan at wanadoo.fr (a.murugaiyan) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 19 11:33:11 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] FIFTEENTH INTERNATIONAL WORKSHOP ON TAMIL EPIGRAPHY _ 1-11 October 2019 Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, Thanks for sharing the information. Best regards. Appasamy Murugaiyan ______________________________________________ We are pleased to announce the** ** *FIFTEENTH INTERNATIONAL WORKSHOP ON TAMIL EPIGRAPHY* /Tamil Epigraphy: Corpus Analysis, Database Construction and Information Retrieval / *Annamalai Unversity and Central University of Tamil Nadu, Tamil Nadu, India, **1**-11 **Octo**ber 2019* ?Jointly organised by: FRE 2018? Mondes iranien et indien, Paris, Annamalai University and Central University of Tamil Nadu, Tamil Nadu, India. *For more details, please see the attached flyer and the following link:* https://www.iran-inde.cnrs.fr/scientific-events/events-2019/15th-international-workshop-on-tamil-epigraphy.html **Appasamy Murugaiyan FRE 2018 Mondes iranien et indien Paris, France -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Vishnu, the protector of the world, was protected as a child [Krishna] in Gokula. O Krishna, the Lord of the World, who can protect the protector. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From birendra176 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 08:52:30 2019 From: birendra176 at yahoo.com (Birendra Nath Prasad) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 19 08:52:30 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 78, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1916516539.4691135.1563785550257@mail.yahoo.com> Respected colleagues, I need a PDF copy of the following book: Herman Kulke, The Devaraja Cult, Cornell University Southeast Asia Program Publications, 1978. If you have a copy, kindly do oblige. With regards and thanking you in anticipation Dr. Birendra Nath Prasad Assistant Professor Centre for Historical Studies JNU New Delhi-110067 On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 9:30:09 PM GMT+5:30, wrote: Send INDOLOGY mailing list submissions to ??? indology at list.indology.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? indology-request at list.indology.info You can reach the person managing the list at ??? indology-owner at list.indology.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of INDOLOGY digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Continuing my Krishna verses (Madhav Deshpande) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 05:29:17 -0700 From: Madhav Deshpande To: Indology Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: ??? 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Vishnu, the Lord of the World, holding the conch, the discus and the mace for the protection of the three worlds, became a child in Gokula. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adheesh1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 21:49:36 2019 From: adheesh1 at gmail.com (adheesh sathaye) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 19 14:49:36 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Proceedings of the 17th World Sanskrit Conference Message-ID: <66372644-6CD4-4A74-9B35-903F11FA5FC0@gmail.com> Dear Colleagues: One year ago, from July 9-13, 2018, the 17th World Sanskrit Conference was held in Vancouver, Canada, with more than 600 delegates attending from all over the world. The Organizing Committee, staff, students, and volunteers here at UBC continue to cherish the warm memories of your visit to our university during that beautiful week! In honour of this anniversary, we are pleased to announce the launch of our remodeled WSC2018 website: https://wsc.ubcsanskrit.ca. New features include: (a) the online Proceedings of the 17th World Sanskrit Conference, and (b) featured media content. The Proceedings of the 17th World Sanskrit Conference may be accessed through the following URL: https://wsc.ubcsanskrit.ca/proceedings. The WSC Proceedings are being published in an online-only format through the UBC Circle digital repository, which is providing academic indexing and metadata services. Papers will be published on a rolling basis as PDFs housed in perpetuity on the servers of the UBC Library. They will be freely available to read and download. The Proceedings may be accessed either through the WSC website above, or directly through UBC's Open Collections: https://open.library.ubc.ca/cIRcle/collections/70440. They will also appear on Google Scholar and other databases. The first release includes select papers from Sections 1-5, featuring a collected volume of peer-reviewed papers from Section 5 (Pur??ic Studies), edited by Raj Balkaran and McComas Taylor. More papers will be added to the repository as they are approved by the Section Convenors and processed for publication, so please check back regularly for updates! NOTE to WSC2018 Presenters: For each Section of the WSC, the respective Convenors have set the policies and deadlines for soliciting, reviewing, and accepting papers for publication. So if you had presented a paper at the 17th WSC, and wish to submit it in consideration for publication in the Proceedings, please contact your Section Convenors for further guidance. 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Beginner's level", May 11th until 22nd 2020 The course provides an introduction to the Kannada language through an extensive program combining spoken Kannada with reading, writing and grammar skills. It is intended for students of various disciplines and without any previous knowledge in Kannada. Prof. Dr. B.A. Viveka Rai is a retired professor of Kannada Literature and Folklore at the University of Mangalore. Since 2010, he is a regular guest professor at the Chair of Indology, University of W?rzburg, teaching Kannada and classical Kannada, as well as courses on the culture and literature of Karnataka. The fee is 150 Euro (Classical Kannada) and 300 Euro (Modern Kannada) respectively (including teaching materials). A reduction for students and unemployed is possible upon request. For any questions and for registration please write to Anna Aurelia Esposito (anna.esposito at uni-wuerzburg.de). We would be grateful if you could widely circulate this call for applications. Best regards, Anna Aurelia Esposito ********** PD Dr. Anna Aurelia Esposito ********** Universit?t W?rzburg Lehrstuhl f?r Indologie Philosophiegeb?ude, Zi. 8U6 Am Hubland 97074 W?rzburg Germany Tel: ++49-(0)931-3185512 ********** http://www.indologie.uni-wuerzburg.de/mitarbeiter/esposito ********** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2020_KSS_ClassicalKannada.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 213113 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dhammaratana: ----- Life of Dhammaratana with English translation of a few of his poems pp. 14 ------Galle 1868? 8???? 10606.bb.2 Anybody from the British Museum probably may have a look at this small book? Any reference to a hell-poem? Thank you for any assistance Heiner Rolf Heinrich Koch -- www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Jul 23 12:39:41 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 19 05:39:41 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????? ?????????????? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????: ? ?????????? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??????? Entering into every particle and always pervading the entire universe, O Krishna, you assume a birth for the protection of the world. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 11:49:49 2019 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 19 13:49:49 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_just_out_/_vient_de_para=C3=AEtre:_H_W_Bodewitz,_Vedic_Cosmology_and_Ethics:_Selected_Studies?= Message-ID: Dear List members, I am happy to announce that the following book has just come out: Henk Bodewitz, *Vedic Cosmology and Ethics: Selected Studies* (Gonda Indological Studies), Leiden: E.J. Brill. (edited by Dory H. Heilijgers, Jan E.M. Houben, Karel van Kooij.) ISBN-13: 978-9004398641 ISBN-10: 9004398643 Hardback listprice: 132 E. Also available in open access: https://brill.com/view/title/54789?rskey=JLxFDI&result=1 -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kauzeya at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 13:31:14 2019 From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 19 15:31:14 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sad news: Prof Seishi Karashima passed away Message-ID: Dear Friends, Since apparently the news has not yet reached this forum, I take the opportunity to share with you my grief at the sudden and entirely unexpected passing of an outstanding scholar and dear friend, Seishi Karashima, who died in his sleep yesterday. He was only 62. His work in particular on Buddhist Middle Indic is no doubt known to many of you. In grief, Jonathan Silk -- J. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden The Netherlands copies of my publications may be found at https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Jul 24 13:47:54 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 19 06:47:54 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ??????? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? ????????? ????? ??????? Lucky is the box of jewels named Gokula in the land of Vraja, where the full ultimate reality shines as a little boy. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From veerankp at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 13:59:31 2019 From: veerankp at gmail.com (Veeranarayana Pandurangi) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 19 19:29:31 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Meaning_of_=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=95?= Message-ID: Dear friends, I am baffled by meaning of Vaaka that appears in RV ?,???.?? ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ??????????? *????? ?* ?,???.?? *????? ????* ??????? ?????????????? ????? ???? ????? ? It is also found in MB ?*?? ???????????????* ??????????????? ? ? ??????? ????????????? ????? ?????????? ?????? I request all of you to kindly Enlighten me. I have seen S Jamison translation with no use. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAPnSTeh-OEjeH%2Bxy4mF%2BvBnD4qKrS8CWDCQvTLONhVAuGaGMkw%40mail.gmail.com . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Wed Jul 24 18:59:27 2019 From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 19 20:59:27 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Antw:__Meaning_of_=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=95?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5D38C6AF020000C30009B5D4@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> Dear Veeranarayana Pandurangi, according to B?htlingk?s PW va?ka?- refers to ?Spruch, Recitation, Formel im Ritus? (Apte ?speech, uttering?), a specific kind of expression destined for the ritual context. Alfred Ludwig (forthcoming) translates the whole stanza: ?by the ga?yatra-metre he measures the arka, by the arka the sa?ma, by the tris?t?ubh-metre the va?ka | by the va?ka, that has two feet, the va?ka that has four (read: catus?padam); by the mora he measures the seven modes of singing || 24 ||? Best, RS ??????????? Raik Strunz, M.A. Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften Seminar f?r Indologie Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 D-06108 Halle (Saale) www.indologie.uni-halle.de >>> Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY 24.07.19 16.01 Uhr >>> Dear friends, I am baffled by meaning of Vaaka that appears in RV ?,???.?? ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????? ? ?,???.?? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????????? ????? ???? ????? ? It is also found in MB ??? ??????????????? ??????????????? ? ? ??????? ????????????? ????? ?????????? ?????? I request all of you to kindly Enlighten me. I have seen S Jamison translation with no use. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAPnSTeh-OEjeH%2Bxy4mF%2BvBnD4qKrS8CWDCQvTLONhVAuGaGMkw%40mail.gmail.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Jul 25 13:32:02 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 19 06:32:02 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????????: ?????? ?????? ?????????: ? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? Peaceful is the earth and the sky. The cowherd child is asleep on the lap of his mother. Peaceful is the house of Nanda in the land of Vraja. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 18:03:04 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 19 12:03:04 -0600 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Meaning_of_=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=95?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here is the most recent wrestling with this difficult riddle hymn by Brereton and Jamieson (PDF attached). The online commentary (http://rigvedacommentary.alc.ucla.edu/?page_id=11) does not cover 1.164, which looks as if it is waiting for material from Joel. 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Rosati* *PhD in Asian and African Studies(South Asia Section)Italian Institute of Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome* *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ * paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Skype: paoloe.rosati Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CfP_EAAA2020_Goddess.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 413750 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Jul 26 13:35:09 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 19 06:35:09 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ??????????????????? ???????????? ?? ? ???? ???????????? ?????? ???? ?? ??????? May Krishna always dwell in the Vrindavana of my mind. Just by seeing him, my life has become joyous. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Jul 26 16:10:08 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 19 09:10:08 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Introducing a new book Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, I am currently reading a new book by Professor Chinya V Ravishankar. I thought I should introduce it to our colleagues. The title of the book is: "Sons of Sarasvati - Late Exemplars of the Indian Intellectual Tradition." It contains translations from the original Kannada of the biographies of Garalapuri Sastri, Srikantha Sastri and Kunigala Ramasastri of 19th century Mysore. Professor Ravishankar is Professor of Computer Science and Associate Dean for Research and Graduate Education at the College of Engineering at the University of California, Riverside. The book is published in 2018 by SUNY Press. The book represents a wonderful historical account of these three 19th century scholars, and Professor Ravishankar's introductions and copious notes provide in depth information regarding all sorts of local historical and other details. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And, if yes, > what is the meaning? > > I came accross this sentence: > > tena ??abh?n na prast?ra? > > which comes as a conclusion after: > > tata ??abhasya adhast?t ?a?jo deyatven?s?t? sa copary agre vartate? > (tena ??abh?n na prast?ra? |) > > Thank you for some lights... > > -- > Fran?ois Patte > UFR de math?matiques et informatique > Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 > Universit? Paris Descartes > 45, rue des Saints P?res > F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 > T?l. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 > http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. 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And, if yes, >> what is the meaning? >> >> I came accross this sentence: >> >> tena ??abh?n na prast?ra? >> >> which comes as a conclusion after: >> >> tata ??abhasya adhast?t ?a?jo deyatven?s?t? sa copary agre vartate? >> (tena ??abh?n na prast?ra? |) >> >> Thank you for some lights... >> >> -- >> Fran?ois Patte >> UFR de math?matiques et informatique >> Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 >> Universit? Paris Descartes >> 45, rue des Saints P?res >> F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 >> T?l. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 >> http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francois.patte at mi.parisdescartes.fr Sat Jul 27 21:08:27 2019 From: francois.patte at mi.parisdescartes.fr (=?utf-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois_Patte?=) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 19 23:08:27 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] grammar question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9c000e75-48f5-8250-a10a-59b69807634a@mi.parisdescartes.fr> Le 27/07/2019 ? 20:06, Nagaraj Paturi a ?crit?: > Are you talking about ek?navim?ati = ?ka?+??na?+? vim?ati ? = 19 No! ek?d (ablative) na vi??ati -- Fran?ois Patte UFR de math?matiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Universit? 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(Alas I don't understand the commentaries on A??. 6.3.76 well enough to be able to to tell how the word ek?nnavi??ati is traditionally explained.) Best wishes, Arlo Griffiths ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Fran?ois Patte via INDOLOGY Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:08 PM To: Indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] grammar question Le 27/07/2019 ? 20:06, Nagaraj Paturi a ?crit : > Are you talking about ek?navim?ati = ?ka + ?na + vim?ati ? = 19 No! ek?d (ablative) na vi??ati -- Fran?ois Patte UFR de math?matiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Universit? Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints P?res F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 T?l. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Sat Jul 27 23:38:58 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 19 19:38:58 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] grammar question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whitney in his grammar (section 477 b) gives this exact example "A case-form of a smaller number, genarally eka one is connect by na not with a larger number from which it is to be deducted: thus, . . . .;most often ek?n (i.e. ek?t, irregular ablative for ekasm?t) na vi??ati? 19? . . ." Harry Spier . On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:27 PM Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Dr. Paturi, > > On ek?nnavi??ati = nineteen, see P??ini, A???dhy?y?, 6.3.76 (ek?di? > caikasya c?duk). > > Dear Dr. Patte, > > I don't understand your passage, but rather doubt that it can be explained > in the light of how the word ek?nnavi??ati is formed. Since the proper > ablative of eka is ekasm?t, I don't think ek?nnavi??ati is to be analyzed > in the way you imagine. (Alas I don't understand the commentaries on A??. > 6.3.76 well enough to be able to to tell how the word ek?nnavi??ati is > traditionally explained.) > > Best wishes, > > Arlo Griffiths > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of > Fran?ois Patte via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:08 PM > *To:* Indology > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] grammar question > > Le 27/07/2019 ? 20:06, Nagaraj Paturi a ?crit : > > Are you talking about ek?navim?ati = ?ka + ?na + vim?ati ? = 19 > > No! ek?d (ablative) na vi??ati > > > > -- > Fran?ois Patte > UFR de math?matiques et informatique > Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 > Universit? Paris Descartes > 45, rue des Saints P?res > F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 > T?l. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 > http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 04:50:02 2019 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 19 10:20:02 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] grammar question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: https://sanskritdocuments.org/learning_tools/ashtadhyayi/vyakhya/6/6.3.76.htm ???? ?????? ????????? ???????????? ?????????????, ????????????????? ???????????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????????????? ???? "??????????"?? ????? ???? ????? ???????? "??????????"?? ?????? ?? ???? ?????????? On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:09 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Whitney in his grammar (section 477 b) gives this exact example "A > case-form of a smaller number, genarally eka one is connect by na not with > a larger number from which it is to be deducted: thus, . . . .;most often > ek?n (i.e. ek?t, irregular ablative for ekasm?t) na vi??ati? 19? . . ." > > Harry Spier . > > On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:27 PM Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Dr. Paturi, >> >> On ek?nnavi??ati = nineteen, see P??ini, A???dhy?y?, 6.3.76 (ek?di? >> caikasya c?duk). >> >> Dear Dr. Patte, >> >> I don't understand your passage, but rather doubt that it can be >> explained in the light of how the word ek?nnavi??ati is formed. Since the >> proper ablative of eka is ekasm?t, I don't think ek?nnavi??ati is to be >> analyzed in the way you imagine. (Alas I don't understand the commentaries >> on A??. 6.3.76 well enough to be able to to tell how the word ek?nnavi??ati >> is traditionally explained.) >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Arlo Griffiths >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of >> Fran?ois Patte via INDOLOGY >> *Sent:* Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:08 PM >> *To:* Indology >> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] grammar question >> >> Le 27/07/2019 ? 20:06, Nagaraj Paturi a ?crit : >> > Are you talking about ek?navim?ati = ?ka + ?na + vim?ati ? = 19 >> >> No! ek?d (ablative) na vi??ati >> >> >> >> -- >> Fran?ois Patte >> UFR de math?matiques et informatique >> Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 >> Universit? Paris Descartes >> 45, rue des Saints P?res >> F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 >> T?l. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 >> http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. 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URL: From veerankp at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 07:05:09 2019 From: veerankp at gmail.com (Veeranarayana Pandurangi) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 19 12:35:09 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Meaning_of_=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=95?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Friends, Thanks for positive reply. however I am concerned that while the translations and interpretations largely concentrate upon words rather than intention. for example this translation by Ludwig ?by the *ga?yatra*-metre he measures the *arka*, by the *arka* the *sa?ma*, by the *tris?t?ubh*-metre the *va?ka* | by the *va?ka*, that has two feet, the *va?ka* that has four (read: *catus?padam*); by the mora he measures the seven modes of singing || 24 ||? is largely based on Sayana who is about measuring. ???????????? or ???????? ????? is the word. how one is measuring arka by gayatri metre? what arka? how measuring sama by arka? how can one measure vaka by tristubh metre? which two feet vaka? which four feet vaka? by what mora which seven seven modes of singing? how prati mimite relates to measuring? Houben?s translation of 1.164.24 too suffers from same problem- With gayatri (line) one makes the song of praise (arka): with the song of praise a chant, with the tristubh (line) the recitation. With the two and four lined recitation (one makes again a larger) recitation; according to the SYLLABLE they make the sven VOICES Why and how gayatri line alone is making a song of praise? Why other metre lines are not doing this? Why one making chant by full arka rather than a simple line? Why recitation is made by tristubh lines and not other lines? What kind of recitation is this? Recitions can be made of even a sentence without metre. Why making a larger recitation only by two and four lined recitations? Why not with three five six or hundred line recitations? Why ?according? is added here when it is not understood in previous lines? What are the seven voices? (this is guessed as voices belonging to seven priests) why one seven voices? Not hundred voices? (Even a single voice too made according to syllable) How prati mimite refers to ?make? There are somany uses of prati mi (ma) ??? ? ???????????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ??????? ? *??? ?????? ?????????????????????????? ?? ???????? *??,???.?? ???, ??? ?????????????? ????????? ???????????? ?????? ????? ????????? ? *????? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????????? *?????????? ?????? ??,???.?? ??????? ???? ???? ??????? ??????????? ???? ???????? ? ????? ????? ???????????????? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ???? ???? ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ???????? ? ??????????? ?????????? ??????? ????????? ????????????????? ??,???. ??-?? ?????? ???? ?????????? ???? ??????????????????? ??????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????????? ??? ?? ???????? ??????? ? ?,???.?? ?????????????? ???????????????????? ??????????? ?????? ????? ? ????? ?????? ????? ???????????????????? ????? ?????? ??,???.?? ?? ???????? ????????? ???? ?? ????????????? ???? ??????? ??,???.?? ????????????????????????? ????? ?????????????? ????? ? ???? ???????????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????? ????? ? (??,???.??) ? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????, ???? ???? ?????????? ? ???? ???? ???????????? ??????? ?? ???? ???????? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ? ???? ?????????????????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????? ? (??,???.??) ?????????? ?????????????????????????????????????? ? ? ?????? ???? ???? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???? ? (??,???.??) ?? ?????? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????? ?????????????? ? ???????? ????????????? ????? ??????? ??????????????? ???????? ? (??,???.??) Why aksara means syllable? When it is used in different meaning in same context ??? ?????? ???? ?????????????????? ??? ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ????????????? ??? ?????? ? (?,???.??) This mantra apparently does not refer to Syllable, because a person who does not know syllable can not know Rk. Then what is the fun of censuring such a person ?what one will do with Rks if he does not know syllable? How those who know Aksara sit comfortably? Everybody knows syllables. What is speciality of this Syllable? Again the translation of 1.164.23 by Houben raises this question-- ?That the Gayatri (line) is based on the Gayatri (hymn) (the smaller on the larger unit, rather than the other way round), and that the Tristubh (line) is fashioned of Tristubh (hymn) and that the Jagati LINE is based on the Jagati (hymn): only those who know this have attained immortality? Why only three metres are quoted here? When the concept is that smaller part is derived from larger. Why Pada means only line and not anything line ?????????? ???? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ? ????? ??????????? ? ?,???.?? ??????????? ???????? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????????? ???? ? ?,???.?? The bigger questione is How one attains amrtatva by knowing this base of hymns? Jamison translation is same as Houben. It does not make much sense. I have revieved Jamison on 1.154 in the link https://www.academia.edu/39520019/VISNU_SUKTA_1.154_A_Review_of_Commentaries_and_New_Translation_of_Rgvedas Translation should be meant to convey the inner meaning rather than word to word measurement which has pierced all the translations of Rgveda so far. *Please let me know if there are any credible interpretations available anywhere* thanks again for kindling interest in your translations On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:33 PM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Here is the most recent wrestling with this difficult riddle hymn by > Brereton and Jamieson (PDF attached). > > The online commentary (http://rigvedacommentary.alc.ucla.edu/?page_id=11) > does not cover 1.164, which looks as if it is waiting for material from > Joel. > > Best, > Dominik > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > -- Veeranarayana N.K. 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B. ?B. 9, 2, 3, 47 *tad ek?n na tri??at *"29". Vereinzelt tritt dieses *ek?t *auch statt des Femininums ein, wodurch c) vorbereitet wird: ?B. 6, 2, 2, 37 *ek?n na tri??at *"29" als Summe zweier mit femininen Substantiven benannter Posten [...] Klassisch ist daraus mit Beschr?nkung auf die Eins und zwar in der Form des mask.-neutralen Ablativs die kompositionelle Form *ek?nna-vi??ati- (-tri??at- *usw.) oder *ek?dna- *(gem?? I 328 ? 276c) mit Betonung der ersten Silbe erwachsen P. 6, 3, 76. Der akzentuierten Prosa ist diese Univerbierung noch fremd [...]?, etc. etc. *Altindische Grammatik*. Von Jacob Wackernagel. III. Band: *Nominalflexion - Zahlwort ? Pronomen*. Von Albert Debrunner und Jacob Wackernagel. G?ttingen 1930, pp. 387f. Cp. also p. 582. Am So., 28. Juli 2019 um 06:50 Uhr schrieb Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > > https://sanskritdocuments.org/learning_tools/ashtadhyayi/vyakhya/6/6.3.76.htm > > > ???? ?????? ????????? ???????????? ?????????????, ????????????????? > ???????????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????????????? ???? "??????????"?? ????? ???? > ????? ???????? "??????????"?? ?????? ?? ???? ?????????? > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:09 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Whitney in his grammar (section 477 b) gives this exact example "A >> case-form of a smaller number, genarally eka one is connect by na not with >> a larger number from which it is to be deducted: thus, . . . .;most often >> ek?n (i.e. ek?t, irregular ablative for ekasm?t) na vi??ati? 19? . . ." >> >> Harry Spier . >> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:27 PM Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear Dr. Paturi, >>> >>> On ek?nnavi??ati = nineteen, see P??ini, A???dhy?y?, 6.3.76 (ek?di? >>> caikasya c?duk). >>> >>> Dear Dr. Patte, >>> >>> I don't understand your passage, but rather doubt that it can be >>> explained in the light of how the word ek?nnavi??ati is formed. Since the >>> proper ablative of eka is ekasm?t, I don't think ek?nnavi??ati is to be >>> analyzed in the way you imagine. (Alas I don't understand the commentaries >>> on A??. 6.3.76 well enough to be able to to tell how the word ek?nnavi??ati >>> is traditionally explained.) >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Arlo Griffiths >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* INDOLOGY on behalf of >>> Fran?ois Patte via INDOLOGY >>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:08 PM >>> *To:* Indology >>> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] grammar question >>> >>> Le 27/07/2019 ? 20:06, Nagaraj Paturi a ?crit : >>> > Are you talking about ek?navim?ati = ?ka + ?na + vim?ati ? = 19 >>> >>> No! ek?d (ablative) na vi??ati >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fran?ois Patte >>> UFR de math?matiques et informatique >>> Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 >>> Universit? Paris Descartes >>> 45, rue des Saints P?res >>> F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 >>> T?l. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 >>> http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > ----------------------------- Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francois.patte at mi.parisdescartes.fr Sun Jul 28 10:16:10 2019 From: francois.patte at mi.parisdescartes.fr (=?utf-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois_Patte?=) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 19 12:16:10 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] grammar question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <50936254-6ad0-91c7-2832-5a83b25d9bc5@mi.parisdescartes.fr> Le 28/07/2019 ? 07:45, adheesh sathaye a ?crit?: > Dear Fran?ois, > > Do you know what text the passage is from? Without any context it > appears to me to be a combinatoric discussion within a musicological > text (?a?ja and ??abha being the first two svaras, and a prast?ra being > a permutation matrix). Yes, it is from Sa?g?taratn?kara in the Si?habh?pala'commentary on how to construct the permutations of the seven notes. My question is about the use of ablative and na which is used in this passage with words which are not numerals. Grammarians give always examples of this construction only with numerals which can be understood as "not twenty (far) from one" ie. nineteen. But here it cannot translated like this (no prast?ra from ??abha) because in the prast?ra, given in extenso, there are many lines beginning by ??abha. Here is the full passage (with, I hope) a correct translation): tatra d????nt?rtha? catu?svara? prast?ra? pradar?yate--- Here, for an example the comprehensive extension for four notes is exposed. sarigameti p?rva? krama? sa?sth?pya?| The serie sa, ri, ga, ma is to be at first put down. ?a?jasya adhast?t_p?rvasvar?bh?v?t_svaro na sth?pyate| ??abhasya tv_adhast?t_tatp?rva? ?a?jo deya?| uparigau g??dh?ramadhyamau puro deyau| ava?i??a ??abha? pa?c?d_deya?| eva? risagameti dvit?yo bheda?| Because there is no preceding note below ?a?ja, no note is placed. But below ??abha, ?a?ja, which precedes it, must be put. G?ndh?ra and madhyama which are beyond, must be put forward. The remaining ??abha must be put backward. The second variety is such: ri, sa, ga, ma. tata ??abhasya adhast?t_?a?jo deyatven?s?t| sa copary_agre vartate| tena ??abh?n_na prast?ra?| Then, ?a?ja was in the state of being put under ??abha, but it is in that state at the beginning above. Thus: *"??abh?n_na prast?ra?"* The prast?ra construction goes like this: sa ri ga ma ri sa ga ma sa ga ri ma ga sa ri ma ri sa ga ma ................ So, I am wondering what is this grammatical construction na+ablative and what is the meaning of the word prast?ra in this sentence which (obviously?) deny the fact to have two identical lines in the prast?ra (here the meaning is "comprehensive extension") Hoping to be clear enough! Regards -- Fran?ois Patte UFR de math?matiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Universit? Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints P?res F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 T?l. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Sun Jul 28 10:29:41 2019 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 19 10:29:41 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] grammar question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear list members, I would like to tag on to this discussion with a question about counting years in Tamil inscriptions. The examples quoted below have been taken from K.G. Krishnan, The Inscriptions of the Early P???yas. The first example (p. 23) is simple: k? m??a?ca?aiya?ku y???u irupattu m???u avv???u The year 23 (irupattu m???u) of King M??a?ca?aiya? In the following two examples the number of years is circumscribed with the help of the word etir "opposite": In the first example we have to do with ordinal numbers: n??ku + ?vatu and pa??ira??u + ?m (p. 50): varagu?amah?r?ca?ku y???u n??k?vata?ku etir pa??ira???m ???u In the 12th year opposite the fourth of Varagu?a Mah?r?ca? In the next example cardinal numbers are used (p. 86): k?cca?aiyam??a?ku y???u 2 ita? etir ??u ivv???u: Year two 2, seven 7 opposite this of K?cca?aiyam??a?, this year. My question is if this way of circumscribing the number of years has already been discussed elsewhere ( suppose it has), if etir "opposite" might be a translation of a case ending and why 16 is circumscribed as 4 + 16 and not for instance as 6 + 10, or what is the significance of the number 4? Best wishes, Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: zondag 28 juli 2019 9:20 Aan: Nagaraj Paturi CC: Indology Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] grammar question ?Die ?lteste Weise, die sich durch Beispiele aus der Sa?hit?- und Brahma?a-Prosa belegen l??t, ist die, da? der den Abstand bezeichnende Einer im Instrumental oder Ablativ vorausgeschickt wird, dann na "nicht" und der Zehner oder Hunderter in dem durch den Satzzusammenhang verlangten Kasus folgt, z. B. dv?bhy?? na ?atam eig. "verm?ge der zwei nicht hundert" d. h. "98". Der Einer hat nat?rlich das Genus des den gez?hlten Begriff bezeichnenden Substantivs. Jedes Wort einer solchen Gruppe beh?lt vorklassisch den Akzent. [...] Ablativ in TS. 7, 4, 7, 3 ekasyai [Dat. st. Gen.-Abl. fem.] na pa?c??at (ratraya?) "49" und in den Gruppen, die mit ek?n, Sandhiform von ek?t, altem [sonst durch ekasm?t verdr?ngtem] Ablativ sg. mask. ntr. von eka-, gebildet sind, z. B. ?B. 9, 2, 3, 47 tad ek?n na tri??at "29". Vereinzelt tritt dieses ek?t auch statt des Femininums ein, wodurch c) vorbereitet wird: ?B. 6, 2, 2, 37 ek?n na tri??at "29" als Summe zweier mit femininen Substantiven benannter Posten [...] Klassisch ist daraus mit Beschr?nkung auf die Eins und zwar in der Form des mask.-neutralen Ablativs die kompositionelle Form ek?nna-vi??ati- (-tri??at- usw.) oder ek?dna- (gem?? I 328 ? 276c) mit Betonung der ersten Silbe erwachsen P. 6, 3, 76. Der akzentuierten Prosa ist diese Univerbierung noch fremd [...]?, etc. etc. Altindische Grammatik. Von Jacob Wackernagel. III. Band: Nominalflexion - Zahlwort ? Pronomen. Von Albert Debrunner und Jacob Wackernagel. G?ttingen 1930, pp. 387f. Cp. also p. 582. Am So., 28. Juli 2019 um 06:50 Uhr schrieb Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY >: https://sanskritdocuments.org/learning_tools/ashtadhyayi/vyakhya/6/6.3.76.htm ???? ?????? ????????? ???????????? ?????????????, ????????????????? ???????????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????????????? ???? "??????????"?? ????? ???? ????? ???????? "??????????"?? ?????? ?? ???? ?????????? On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:09 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > wrote: Whitney in his grammar (section 477 b) gives this exact example "A case-form of a smaller number, genarally eka one is connect by na not with a larger number from which it is to be deducted: thus, . . . .;most often ek?n (i.e. ek?t, irregular ablative for ekasm?t) na vi??ati? 19? . . ." Harry Spier . On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:27 PM Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Dr. Paturi, On ek?nnavi??ati = nineteen, see P??ini, A???dhy?y?, 6.3.76 (ek?di? caikasya c?duk). Dear Dr. Patte, I don't understand your passage, but rather doubt that it can be explained in the light of how the word ek?nnavi??ati is formed. Since the proper ablative of eka is ekasm?t, I don't think ek?nnavi??ati is to be analyzed in the way you imagine. (Alas I don't understand the commentaries on A??. 6.3.76 well enough to be able to to tell how the word ek?nnavi??ati is traditionally explained.) Best wishes, Arlo Griffiths ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of Fran?ois Patte via INDOLOGY > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:08 PM To: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] grammar question Le 27/07/2019 ? 20:06, Nagaraj Paturi a ?crit : > Are you talking about ek?navim?ati = ?ka + ?na + vim?ati ? = 19 No! ek?d (ablative) na vi??ati -- Fran?ois Patte UFR de math?matiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Universit? Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints P?res F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 T?l. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ----------------------------- Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 11:04:38 2019 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 19 13:04:38 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Antw:_Meaning_of_=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=95?= In-Reply-To: <5D38C6AF020000C30009B5D4@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: As far as I know Alfred Ludwig published a translation of the Rgveda into German plus commentary plus introduction between 1876 and 1883. If this first complete translation of the Rgveda is now being translated into English I consider this very good news. As for RV 1.164.23-24, 12 years ago I concluded my study of these stanzas as follows: RV 1.16423-24, two enigmatic statements in the "Riddle Hymn," express two complementary viewpoints on the relationship between smaller and larger units of metrical speech employed in ritual chanting. As such, they provide antecedents for two complementary views which play a major role in Bhartrhari's V?kyapad?ya, one according to which the units of a lower organizational level (especially the word and its meaning) are primary, the other according to which units of a higher organizational level (especially the sentence and its meaning) are primary. For those who want to see the full argument I have uploaded the article on academia.edu: https://www.academia.edu/39950384/RV_1.164.23-24_and_Bhartrharis_philosophy_of_language Jan Houben On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 21:20, Raik Strunz via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Veeranarayana Pandurangi, > > according to B?htlingk?s PW *va?ka?*- refers to ?Spruch, Recitation, > Formel im Ritus? (Apte ?speech, uttering?), a specific kind of expression > destined for the ritual context. Alfred Ludwig (forthcoming) translates the > whole stanza: > > ?by the *ga?yatra*-metre he measures the *arka*, > by the *arka* the *sa?ma*, by the *tris?t?ubh*-metre the *va?ka* | > by the *va?ka*, that has two feet, the *va?ka* that has four (read: > *catus?padam*); > by the mora he measures the seven modes of singing || 24 ||? > > Best, > > RS > > > > > > ??????????? > > > > Raik Strunz, M.A. > > > Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter > > Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de > > Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 > > > Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg > > Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften > > Seminar f?r Indologie > > Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 > > D-06108 Halle (Saale) > > > www.indologie.uni-halle.de > > >>> Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY > 24.07.19 16.01 Uhr >>> > > > Dear friends, > I am baffled by meaning of Vaaka that appears in RV ?,???.?? ???????? > ????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ??????????? *????? ?* > ?,???.?? *????? ????* ??????? ?????????????? ????? ???? ????? ? > > It is also found in MB > ?*?? ???????????????* ??????????????? ? ? ??????? ????????????? ????? > ?????????? ?????? > > I request all of you to kindly Enlighten me. > I have seen S Jamison translation with no use. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAPnSTeh-OEjeH%2Bxy4mF%2BvBnD4qKrS8CWDCQvTLONhVAuGaGMkw%40mail.gmail.com > > . > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Sun Jul 28 11:38:59 2019 From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 19 13:38:59 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Antw:_Re:__Antw:_Meaning_of_=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=95?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5D3DA573020000C30009B80E@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> Dear Dr. Houben, ?this first complete translation of the Rgveda [.] now being translated into English? is actually Ludwig?s very own translation of the Rigveda into English. He made it in 1885?86 and 1893 (Man?d?ala IX.). Thanks to Prof. Slaje I got the chance to edit and publish this translation from Ludwig?s manuscript that had been bought ca. 1912 onto Oxford, possibly by then Boden Professor Macdonell (based on a comparison of the secondary page count in the ms. with Macdonell?s handwritten numbers in an earlier letter). On some occasions we could find that it differs to his German translation, rarely giving information about exegetical sources he newly consulted. So Ludwig did even after his release of the German translation and the commentaries further on consult this secondary literature, perhaps we should interprete the English RV translation as an update to his German one (also he now counted the hymns in the established manner, not anymore in his very own way by sorting them anew}. Man?d?alas I?V will be published this year in a first volume, and the other five will also come out some time over the next few years. Best, Raik Strunz ??????????? Raik Strunz, M.A. Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften Seminar f?r Indologie Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 D-06108 Halle (Saale) www.indologie.uni-halle.de ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ? >>> "Jan E.M. Houben" 28.07.19 13.12 Uhr >>> As far as I know Alfred Ludwig published a translation of the Rgveda into German plus commentary plus introduction between 1876 and 1883.If this first complete translation of the Rgveda is now being translated into English I consider this very good news. As for RV 1.164.23-24, 12 years ago I concluded my study of these stanzas as follows: RV 1.16423-24, two enigmatic statements in the "Riddle Hymn," express two complementary viewpoints on the relationship between smaller and larger units of metrical speech employed in ritual chanting. As such, they provide antecedents for two complementary views which play a major role in Bhartrhari's V?kyapad?ya, one according to which the units of a lower organizational level (especially the word and its meaning) are primary, the other according to which units of a higher organizational level (especially the sentence and its meaning) are primary. For those who want to see the full argument I have uploaded the article on academia.edu: https://www.academia.edu/39950384/RV_1.164.23-24_and_Bhartrharis_philosophy_of_language Jan Houben On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 21:20, Raik Strunz via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear Veeranarayana Pandurangi, according to B?htlingk?s PW va?ka?- refers to ?Spruch, Recitation, Formel im Ritus? (Apte ?speech, uttering?), a specific kind of expression destined for the ritual context. Alfred Ludwig (forthcoming) translates the whole stanza: ?by the ga?yatra-metre he measures the arka, by the arka the sa?ma, by the tris?t?ubh-metre the va?ka | by the va?ka, that has two feet, the va?ka that has four (read: catus?padam); by the mora he measures the seven modes of singing || 24 ||? Best, RS ??????????? Raik Strunz, M.A. Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften Seminar f?r Indologie Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 D-06108 Halle (Saale) www.indologie.uni-halle.de >>> Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY 24.07.19 16.01 Uhr >>> Dear friends, I am baffled by meaning of Vaaka that appears in RV ?,???.?? ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????? ? ?,???.?? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????????? ????? ???? ????? ? It is also found in MB ??? ??????????????? ??????????????? ? ? ??????? ????????????? ????? ?????????? ?????? I request all of you to kindly Enlighten me. I have seen S Jamison translation with no use. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAPnSTeh-OEjeH%2Bxy4mF%2BvBnD4qKrS8CWDCQvTLONhVAuGaGMkw%40mail.gmail.com. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Jan E.M. Houben Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) Sciences historiques et philologiques 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Jul 28 13:29:17 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 19 06:29:17 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????????????????? ?? ??????????? ? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? The beauty of all your limbs enchants Gokula. Entering the stage of my mind, you enchant my thought. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 16:12:32 2019 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 19 18:12:32 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Antw:_Meaning_of_=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=95?= In-Reply-To: <5D3DA573020000C30009B80E@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: this is then even better news... JH On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 at 13:39, Raik Strunz < raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de> wrote: > Dear Dr. Houben, > > ?*this first complete translation of the Rgveda* [.] *now being > translated into English*? is actually Ludwig?s very own translation of > the *Rigveda* into English. > > He made it in 1885?86 and 1893 (Man?d?ala IX.). Thanks to Prof. Slaje I > got the chance to edit and publish this translation from Ludwig?s > manuscript that had been bought ca. 1912 onto Oxford, possibly by then > Boden Professor Macdonell (based on a comparison of the secondary page > count in the ms. with Macdonell?s handwritten numbers in an earlier > letter). On some occasions we could find that it differs to his German > translation, rarely giving information about exegetical sources he newly > consulted. So Ludwig did even after his release of the German translation > and the commentaries further on consult this secondary literature, perhaps > we should interprete the English *RV* translation as an update to his > German one (also he now counted the hymns in the established manner, not > anymore in his very own way by sorting them anew}. > > Man?d?alas I?V will be published this year in a first volume, and the > other five will also come out some time over the next few years. > > Best, > > > Raik Strunz > > > > > > ??????????? > > > > Raik Strunz, M.A. > > > Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter > > Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de > > Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 > > > Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg > > Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften > > Seminar f?r Indologie > > Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 > > D-06108 Halle (Saale) > > > www.indologie.uni-halle.de > > > ??????????? > > > ??????????? ??????? ? > > >>> "Jan E.M. Houben" 28.07.19 13.12 Uhr >>> > As far as I know Alfred Ludwig published a translation of the Rgveda into > German plus commentary plus introduction between 1876 and 1883. > If this first complete translation of the Rgveda is now being translated > into English I consider this very good news. > As for RV 1.164.23-24, 12 years ago I concluded my study of these stanzas > as follows: > > RV 1.16423-24, two enigmatic statements in the "Riddle Hymn," express two > complementary viewpoints on the relationship between smaller and larger > units of metrical speech employed in ritual chanting. As such, they provide > antecedents for two complementary views which play a major role in > Bhartrhari's V?kyapad?ya, one according to which the units of a lower > organizational level (especially the word and its meaning) are primary, the > other according to which units of a higher organizational level (especially > the sentence and its meaning) are primary. > > For those who want to see the full argument I have uploaded the article on > academia.edu: > > https://www.academia.edu/39950384/RV_1.164.23-24_and_Bhartrharis_philosophy_of_language > Jan Houben > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 21:20, Raik Strunz via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Veeranarayana Pandurangi, >> >> according to B?htlingk?s PW *va?ka?*- refers to ?Spruch, Recitation, >> Formel im Ritus? (Apte ?speech, uttering?), a specific kind of expression >> destined for the ritual context. Alfred Ludwig (forthcoming) translates the >> whole stanza: >> >> ?by the *ga?yatra*-metre he measures the *arka*, >> by the *arka* the *sa?ma*, by the *tris?t?ubh*-metre the *va?ka* | >> by the *va?ka*, that has two feet, the *va?ka* that has four (read: >> *catus?padam*); >> by the mora he measures the seven modes of singing || 24 ||? >> >> Best, >> >> RS >> >> >> >> >> >> ??????????? >> >> >> >> Raik Strunz, M.A. >> >> >> Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter >> >> Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de >> >> Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 >> >> >> Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg >> >> Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften >> >> Seminar f?r Indologie >> >> Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 >> >> D-06108 Halle (Saale) >> >> >> www.indologie.uni-halle.de >> >> >>> Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY >> 24.07.19 16.01 Uhr >>> >> >> >> Dear friends, >> I am baffled by meaning of Vaaka that appears in RV ?,???.?? ???????? >> ????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ??????????? *????? ?* >> ?,???.?? *????? ????* ??????? ?????????????? ????? ???? ????? ? >> >> It is also found in MB >> ?*?? ???????????????* ??????????????? ? ? ??????? ????????????? ????? >> ?????????? ?????? >> >> I request all of you to kindly Enlighten me. >> I have seen S Jamison translation with no use. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "???????????????????" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAPnSTeh-OEjeH%2Bxy4mF%2BvBnD4qKrS8CWDCQvTLONhVAuGaGMkw%40mail.gmail.com >> >> . >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > -- > > *Jan E.M. Houben* > > Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology > > *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* > > ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) > > *Sciences historiques et philologiques * > > 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris > > *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * > > *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * > > *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben > * > -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 16:27:02 2019 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 19 18:27:02 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Antw:_Meaning_of_=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=95?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As for RV 1.164.24, is "measure" (Ludwig, Jamison-Brereton) really a felicitous translation here? To my 2007 article I would like to add an *update* 28-7-2019 and revert to my 2000 translation of the verse: According to the G?yatr? (-line) one makes the song of praise (ark?); according to the song of praise a chant (sa?ma), according to the Tri??ubh (-line) the recitation; according to the two- and four-lined recitation (again a larger) recitation; according to the SYLLABLE they make the seven VOICES. note: With ?According to? I revert to my 2000 translation of this verse, taking the verb in the first line, pr?ti mim?te ?make in accordance with; copy? (Grassmann, 1875, p. 1023-1024: pr?ti m?, wonach [I.] ein Lied [A.] bilden) to be valid in the two subsequent lines, and even in the last line (simplex pro composito) where the verb is explicitly given as mimate (viz. pr?ti), but the construction with instrumental is continued from the previous lines. (See further explanation in the article.) JH On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 at 13:04, Jan E.M. Houben wrote: > As far as I know Alfred Ludwig published a translation of the Rgveda into > German plus commentary plus introduction between 1876 and 1883. > If this first complete translation of the Rgveda is now being translated > into English I consider this very good news. > As for RV 1.164.23-24, 12 years ago I concluded my study of these stanzas > as follows: > > RV 1.16423-24, two enigmatic statements in the "Riddle Hymn," express two > complementary viewpoints on the relationship between smaller and larger > units of metrical speech employed in ritual chanting. As such, they provide > antecedents for two complementary views which play a major role in > Bhartrhari's V?kyapad?ya, one according to which the units of a lower > organizational level (especially the word and its meaning) are primary, the > other according to which units of a higher organizational level (especially > the sentence and its meaning) are primary. > > For those who want to see the full argument I have uploaded the article on > academia.edu: > > https://www.academia.edu/39950384/RV_1.164.23-24_and_Bhartrharis_philosophy_of_language > Jan Houben > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 21:20, Raik Strunz via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Veeranarayana Pandurangi, >> >> according to B?htlingk?s PW *va?ka?*- refers to ?Spruch, Recitation, >> Formel im Ritus? (Apte ?speech, uttering?), a specific kind of expression >> destined for the ritual context. Alfred Ludwig (forthcoming) translates the >> whole stanza: >> >> ?by the *ga?yatra*-metre he measures the *arka*, >> by the *arka* the *sa?ma*, by the *tris?t?ubh*-metre the *va?ka* | >> by the *va?ka*, that has two feet, the *va?ka* that has four (read: >> *catus?padam*); >> by the mora he measures the seven modes of singing || 24 ||? >> >> Best, >> >> RS >> >> >> >> >> >> ??????????? >> >> >> >> Raik Strunz, M.A. >> >> >> Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter >> >> Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de >> >> Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 >> >> >> Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg >> >> Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften >> >> Seminar f?r Indologie >> >> Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 >> >> D-06108 Halle (Saale) >> >> >> www.indologie.uni-halle.de >> >> >>> Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY >> 24.07.19 16.01 Uhr >>> >> >> >> Dear friends, >> I am baffled by meaning of Vaaka that appears in RV ?,???.?? ???????? >> ????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ??????????? *????? ?* >> ?,???.?? *????? ????* ??????? ?????????????? ????? ???? ????? ? >> >> It is also found in MB >> ?*?? ???????????????* ??????????????? ? ? ??????? ????????????? ????? >> ?????????? ?????? >> >> I request all of you to kindly Enlighten me. >> I have seen S Jamison translation with no use. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "???????????????????" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAPnSTeh-OEjeH%2Bxy4mF%2BvBnD4qKrS8CWDCQvTLONhVAuGaGMkw%40mail.gmail.com >> >> . >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > -- > > *Jan E.M. Houben* > > Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology > > *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* > > ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) > > *Sciences historiques et philologiques * > > 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris > > *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * > > *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * > > *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben > * > -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de Mon Jul 29 18:21:24 2019 From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 19 20:21:24 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Antw:_Meaning_of_=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=95?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190729202124.Horde.FQi4IgtM5_LEorEScF618eO@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> >> ?*this first complete translation of the Rgveda* [.] *now being >> translated into English*? is actually Ludwig?s very own translation of >> the *Rigveda* into English. See also: -- Moriz Winternitz: "Ludwig, Alfred", in: Biographisches Jahrbuch und Deutscher Nekrolog 17 (Januar bis Dezember 1912), Berlin 1915, pp. 128-133 (= Moriz Winternitz: Kleine Schriften. Herausgegeben von Horst Brinkhaus. Teil 2. Stuttgart 1991 [Glasenapp-Stiftung. 30], pp. 928-933). "Im Nachla? des Verstorbenen fand sich ein vollst?ndiges Manuskript einer englischen ?bersetzung des Rigveda, das von der Universit?t Oxford angekauft wurde." (p. 133 = Kleine Schriften, p. 933) * * * -- Walter Slaje: [B?cherbesprechung von] "The Rigveda. The Earliest Religious Poetry of India. Transl. by Stephanie Jamison and Joel P. Brereton. Vol. I-III. Oxford: Oxford University Press 2014. (South Asia Research.)", in: Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenl?ndischen Gesellschaft 166.2 (2016), pp. 495-498. "Eine im Jahre 2015 vor Ort auf den Verbleib des Ms. [= of the complete manuscript of Ludwig?s English translation of the ?V] gerichtete Nachforschung best?tigte seine ? in mehrere Lederb?nde gebundene ? Existenz. Das letzte Blatt (ad ?V 10.191) ist von Ludwigs Hand auf das Jahr 1886 datiert. Damit hat dieser ? was es f?r die Fachgeschichte festzuhalten gilt ? zugleich auch die allererste englische Komplett?bersetzung des ?V hervorgebracht. Zwischen der Publikation der deutschen (1876) und der Fertigstellung seiner englischen ?bersetzung (1886) liegen zehn Jahre, in der die vedistische Forschung ? einschlie?lich seiner eigenen ? weiter vorangetrieben wurde. Auch wenn darunter vieles, insbesondere im Bereich von Interpretation und Begriffsforschung, heute als weitgehend ?berholt anzusehen sein wird, mu? das nicht zwingend in jedem einzelnen Fall und schon gar nicht f?r Fragen philologischer Analysen und Satzkonstruktionen gelten. Einem potentiell verh?ngnisvollen Vertrauen in den zeitlich linearen Fortschritt geisteswissenschaftlicher Forschung begegnet man mit nachpr?fenden Konsultationen jedenfalls wirkungsvoller als mit blo?em Abtun von vermeintlich ?berholtem." (p. 495) From jonathanloar1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 18:36:04 2019 From: jonathanloar1 at gmail.com (Jonathan Loar) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 19 14:36:04 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New online: Digitization of Library of Congress Gandhara scroll Message-ID: Dear colleagues, With apologies for the cross-posting to both lists, I am very happy to inform that the Library of Congress is publicizing the digitization of one of the world?s oldest Buddhist manuscripts: what we call the ?Gandhara scroll,? a birch bark manuscript dating roughly between the 1st century BCE and 1st century CE. The scroll was acquired by the Library of Congress in 2003, and it is perhaps the most fragile and complicated item ever treated by our conservators. Even in its well-conserved state, the physical scroll is too fragile for public display. Digitization, however, enables the sharing of the scroll with Buddhist communities, scholars, and others around the world. With regard to content, it is believed that the scroll, which retains about 75-80% of the original text, is an early version of the Bahubuddha Sutra (Many Buddhas Sutra). The scroll features the Buddha?s teaching on thirteen buddhas who came before him, then his birth and enlightenment, and finally the coming of Maitreya. In November 2018, Dr. Richard Salomon (University of Washington) gave a public lecture in the Asian Reading Room on the Library?s Gandhara scroll, and the video of the lecture provides a more detailed and engaging account of its content. See the link to the video in the blog URLs below. Digitized scroll: https://www.loc.gov/item/2018305008 Catalog record: https://lccn.loc.gov/2018305008 LC 4 Corners blog (longer version) LC main blog (shorter version) LC press release on scroll's digitization Please direct any questions to my LC email account (JLOA at loc.gov). We also aim to add a page for the Gandhara scroll on our new LibGuide: South Asian manuscripts at the Library of Congress . All the best, Jon Jonathan Loar, Ph.D. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ South Asia Reference Librarian Asian Division, Library of Congress jloa at loc.gov (202) 707-3417 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LC?s International Collections on social media! 4 Corners of the World Blog and its South Asia content International Collections Facebook Page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baums at lmu.de Mon Jul 29 18:48:00 2019 From: baums at lmu.de (Stefan Baums) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 19 20:48:00 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New online: Digitization of Library of Congress Gandhara scroll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87pnlsad9b.fsf@lmu.de> Dear Jonathan, many thanks indeed to you and the Libary of Congress for making this important manuscript more widely available to scholarship! I linked to your digitization from the entry for this manuscript in the Catalog of G?ndh?r? Texts: https://gandhari.org/a_manuscript.php?catid=CKM0261 which contains some metadata and a list of publications on this manuscript so far. All best wishes, Stefan -- Stefan Baums, Ph.D. Institut f?r Indologie und Tibetologie Ludwig?Maximilians?Universit?t M?nchen From andra.kleb at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 04:55:08 2019 From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (andra.kleb at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 19 13:55:08 +0900 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Lagh=C5=ABpasargav=E1=B9=9Btti_(Adyar_Library_Bulletin_26)?= In-Reply-To: <81273817-15eb-4822-b4dd-42e4dfe9ab15@Spark> Message-ID: <05d721a5-865e-4108-b467-2fabfba68022@Spark> Dear members of the list, I wonder if anyone has access to a digital copy of the following article and is able to share it: Krishnamacharya V. 1962. ?Lagh?pasargav?tti.? The Adyar Library Bulletin?XXVI:1-2: 81-92 Many thanks in advance! best, Andrey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andra.kleb at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 09:28:56 2019 From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (andra.kleb at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 19 18:28:56 +0900 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Lagh=C5=ABpasargav=E1=B9=9Btti_(Adyar_Library_Bulletin_26)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6d59aa7f-f646-4f93-b8bc-b920460f79cc@Spark> Dear all, Thanks to Christophe Vielle, I got hold of the article. Many thanks! best, Andrey On 30. Jul 2019, 06:55 +0900, Andrey Klebanov via INDOLOGY , wrote: > > Dear members of the list, > > I wonder if anyone has access to a digital copy of the following article and is able to share it: > > Krishnamacharya V. 1962. ?Lagh?pasargav?tti.? The Adyar Library Bulletin?XXVI:1-2: 81-92 > > Many thanks in advance! > > best, > Andrey > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Jul 30 13:28:12 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 19 06:28:12 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ??????: ????????? ????? ????? ???: ? ????????: ??? ??????????????? ??? ????????? ??????? There is only one season, the spring, around Krishna. How would the bee of my mind go anywhere else to look for honey? Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at austin.utexas.edu Tue Jul 30 16:09:27 2019 From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 19 16:09:27 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication Message-ID: <08D538A6-CAFB-46B0-90FE-6E6AB7984CAC@austin.utexas.edu> With apologies for cross-posting, I would like to bring to your attention a new edited volume on the householder in ancient India: G?hastha: The Householder in Ancient Indian Religious Culture, OUP, 2019. The volume argues that the term g?hastha, the most common word for householder in later Sanskrit literature, is a neologism first encountered in the A?okan inscriptions and absent in the entire Vedic corpus. It investigates the use of the term in a spectrum of ancient Indian literary genres and how this new discovery affects our knowledge of ancient Indian religions. Here is the URL: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/ghastha-9780190696153?q=g%E1%B9%9Bhastha&lang=en&cc=us# With best wishes, Patrick The TOC: Introduction Patrick Olivelle, University of Texas at Austin Prologue Whitney Cox, University of Chicago PART ONE: VEDIC AND PRAKRIT SOURCES Chapter One The Term G?hastha and the (Pre)history of the Householder Stephanie Jamison, UCLA Chapter Two Pasanda: Religious Communities in the Asokan Inscriptions and Early Literature Joel Brereton, University of Texas at Austin Chapter Three G?hastha in Asoka's Classification of Religious People Patrick Olivelle, University of Texas at Austin Chapter Four G?hastha in the Sramanic Discourse: A Lexical Survey of House Residents in Early Pali Texts Oliver Freiberger, University of Texas at Austin Chapter Five Gahavai and Gihattha: The Householder in the Early Jaina Sources Claire Maes, University of Texas at Austin PART TWO: THE SANSKRIT SASTRAS Chapter Six The Late Appearance of the G?hastha in the Vedic Domestic Ritual Codes as a Married Religious Professional Timothy Lubin, Washington and Lee University Chapter Seven G?hastha, Asrama, and the Origin of Dharmasastra Patrick Olivelle, University of Texas at Austin Chapter Eight The Householder in Early Dharmasastra Literature David Brick, Yale University Chapter Nine Householders, Holy and Otherwise, in the Niti and Kama Literature Mark McClish, Northwestern University PART THREE: EPIC AND KAVYA LITERATURE Chapter Ten The G?hastha in the Mahabharata Adam Bowles, University of Queensland, Australia Chapter Eleven G?hasthas Don't Belong in the Ramayana Aaron Sherraden, University of Texas at Austin Chapter Twelve Householders and Housewives in Early Kavya Literature Csaba Dezso, E?tv?s Lor?nd University, Budapest, Hungary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 23:51:06 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 19 17:51:06 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] On-line manuscript library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a fine online resource, really special. It is mentioned, alongside others, on the INDOLOGY website (here ). On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 16:03, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > In case this might be new to some members (it was to me), searching for a > sanskrit phrase on-line I came across this on-line library of indian > manuscript images of the Lalchand Research Library of the DAV college. > http://www.dav.splrarebooks.com/ > > Some of them have transliterations and translations along with the > manuscript photographs. I don't know how common this is in the collection. > Looking at the Indology archives it looks like there was some mention of > this project about 2000. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 00:20:30 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 19 20:20:30 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] On-line manuscript library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for bringing attention to the indology website page. Thats also something I haven't looked at in years. Is this DAV College collection a first where you have both the manuscript image and a transcription with the image(at least for some).? I see from the website that they are planning to transcribe all the manuscripts. Harry Spier On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 7:51 PM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > This is a fine online resource, really special. It is mentioned, > alongside others, on the INDOLOGY website (here > ). > > > On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 16:03, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear list members, >> In case this might be new to some members (it was to me), searching for a >> sanskrit phrase on-line I came across this on-line library of indian >> manuscript images of the Lalchand Research Library of the DAV college. >> http://www.dav.splrarebooks.com/ >> >> Some of them have transliterations and translations along with the >> manuscript photographs. I don't know how common this is in the collection. >> Looking at the Indology archives it looks like there was some mention of >> this project about 2000. >> >> Thanks, >> Harry Spier >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 00:28:49 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 19 18:28:49 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] On-line manuscript library In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, it is, to my knowledge. The Jamnagar site for Ayurvedic manuscripts promises a similar feature, but the site has been static for years and I saw no evidence of work on this when I visited Jamnagar in 2011. I may be there again this year, so there's a chance I could find out more. Best, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 18:20, Harry Spier wrote: > Thanks for bringing attention to the indology website page. Thats also > something I haven't looked at in years. > > Is this DAV College collection a first where you have both the manuscript > image and a transcription with the image(at least for some).? I see from > the website that they are planning to transcribe all the manuscripts. > Harry Spier > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 7:51 PM Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: > >> This is a fine online resource, really special. It is mentioned, >> alongside others, on the INDOLOGY website (here >> ). >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 16:03, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear list members, >>> In case this might be new to some members (it was to me), searching for >>> a sanskrit phrase on-line I came across this on-line library of indian >>> manuscript images of the Lalchand Research Library of the DAV college. >>> http://www.dav.splrarebooks.com/ >>> >>> Some of them have transliterations and translations along with the >>> manuscript photographs. I don't know how common this is in the collection. >>> Looking at the Indology archives it looks like there was some mention of >>> this project about 2000. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Harry Spier >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nasadasin at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 01:36:56 2019 From: nasadasin at gmail.com (Al Collins) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 19 17:36:56 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:_Font_for_sanskrit/p=C4=81li?= In-Reply-To: <95EAFDEC-2317-4017-B60E-8F92DE91965D@gmail.com> Message-ID: A non-member of the list asked me this question, which I am not the best person to answer. I realize it may be a matter of personal preference with no right answer. Regards, Al Collins, PhD. Pacifica Graduate Institute Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > > I am curious if you know of a book-ish/print-ish font that looks good in both English and P?li. I have been using Garamond Pro for my dissertation document, but the macrons and other P?li characters never rendered very well. Times New Roman is just so dry. > > From aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu Wed Jul 31 01:40:48 2019 From: aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu (Uskokov, Aleksandar) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 19 01:40:48 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:_Font_for_sanskrit/p=C4=81li?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brill, the typeface of the publishing house, is quite elegant. It is available on their website. Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Al Collins via INDOLOGY Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 9:36:56 PM To: indology at list.indology.info Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Font for sanskrit/p?li A non-member of the list asked me this question, which I am not the best person to answer. I realize it may be a matter of personal preference with no right answer. Regards, Al Collins, PhD. Pacifica Graduate Institute Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > > I am curious if you know of a book-ish/print-ish font that looks good in both English and P?li. I have been using Garamond Pro for my dissertation document, but the macrons and other P?li characters never rendered very well. Times New Roman is just so dry. > > _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistinfo.indology.info&data=02%7C01%7Caleksandar.uskokov%40yale.edu%7C3146fb24d41a4641629508d71557ae9e%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637001338661639494&sdata=XvHvZPuU5fLVudHqbWnEZKl15ck%2B07rbLuLBACnkpCc%3D&reserved=0 (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 02:22:36 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 19 20:22:36 -0600 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:_Font_for_sanskrit/p=C4=81li?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Brill font has many virtues, but it isn't free for general use. Only on your own computer. If you want to publish something, you have to ask Brill's permission. Same with the Murty fonts. The rendering of macrons etc. could be a font issue, but it could also be a limitation of the text composition software being used. Try TeX Gyre Pagella? Or Libertinus Serif? Both free and excellent. Best, Dominik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Wed Jul 31 03:13:44 2019 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 19 05:13:44 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:_Font_for_sanskrit/p=C4=81li?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Calibri, Best, Artur ?r., 31 lip 2019 o 04:23 Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a): > The Brill font has many virtues, but it isn't free for general use. Only > on your own computer. If you want to publish something, you have to ask > Brill's permission. Same with the Murty fonts. > > The rendering of macrons etc. could be a font issue, but it could also be > a limitation of the text composition software being used. > > Try TeX Gyre Pagella? Or Libertinus Serif? Both free and excellent. > > Best, > Dominik > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Both free and excellent. >> >> Best, >> Dominik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From royce.wiles at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 04:56:59 2019 From: royce.wiles at gmail.com (Royce Wiles) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 19 16:56:59 +1200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Protection of Afghanistan Buddhist site (Mes Aynak): letter for the Afghan President In-Reply-To: <1186317265.2845153.1564468422433@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Below is the text of two messages from Jolyon LESLIE (Kabul) (who is not on this list): I fully support this, do please send all/any responses directly to Jolyon (his email is below): Friends, I'm writing to seek your support in efforts to ensure that the archaeological remains at Mes Aynak in Logar are documented and preserved. Most of you will know the recent history of the site, where a Chinese consortium was in 2008 granted a concession to mine copper, although insecurity (among other factors) has limited their investments to date. It seems that the presence of archaeological remains was not part of the original agreement with the Chinese, even though Afghan officials should have been aware of these. Since 2010, the World Bank has supported 'rescue' archaeology at Mes Aynak that continues to this day and the findings were the subject of a presentation at a symposium in Kabul last week at which (after a site visit) officials from the Ministries of Culture and Mining made a their respective cases for preservation and/or mining at the site. The meeting was convened at the suggestion of the President, who expressed a wish for clear recommendations from Afghan and international professionals to enable the government to make a decision whether to renegotiate the mining agreement and, if so, on what terms. Those of us advocating for preservation at the meeting last week faced a formidable team WB-funded (expatriate) advisers to Mo.O. Mines who made a strident case for open-cast mining of copper at Mes Aynak as the only 'affordable option'. This would effectively obliterate the historic city - although it was conceded that a single monument might be retained 'for tourism'. The option of mining through underground shafts (that might enable preservation of more of the surface remains) was, it was argued by this group, not 'cost-effective'. In response, cultural specialists explained the significance of the site, not only for the remarkable objects that continue to be excavated, but because the extent of an historic industrial city whose very landscape (with Buddhist-era mine-shafts and smelting facilities) have the potential to enhance our understanding of technology, trade, beliefs and related cultural activity at that time. I am not aware of the details of recommendations that were subsequently presented to President Ghani last week, but a number of us in Kabul have the sense that we need to strengthen the case for cultural preservation at Mes Aynak at this critical time. An Afghan colleague who was at the post-symposium presentation at the palace reported that the President himself tacitly suggested a 'global alliance for cultural preservation' be formed to support government efforts to safeguard the site. In subsequent discussions in Kabul, we have resolved to prepare an 'open letter' signed by Afghan and international specialists urging the President to avoid destruction of the site by open-cast mining. The letter would convey the concerns of a coalition of cultural 'heavy-hitters' by drawing attention to the importance of Mes Aynak, especially in the context of the loss of cultural heritage in the country in the recent past - while making it clear that the world is watching. Clearly the text of an 'open letter' would need to be carefully-worded so as not to be perceived as interfering in decisions made by the Afghan government policy - but it was the President who took the initiative to seek a range of views on this issue. I'm writing now mainly to solicit your views and ask whether you'd be prepared to mobilise your respective networks (of academics and others) to put their names to such a letter, once a text is agreed. In the face of a well-funded mining lobby, we clearly need to up our game in putting a case for preservation of Mes Aynak. From the perspective of Kabul, communicating a shared concern of a wide range of well-informed Afghan and international cultural specialists in an 'open letter' to the President might contribute to a more balanced assessment of the options his government faces. I look forward to hearing from you with your views. Best, Jolyon > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Jolyon Leslie > Subject: Mes Aynak > Date: 30 July 2019 at 18:33:42 NZST > To: Dr J L Lee > Cc: royce.wiles at gmail.com > > Dear Jonathan and Royce, > > [SNIP] Royce. If we can cast our net wider and get more academics to sign up, I believe that it'll lend additional weight to the initiative. I attach the latest iteration of the 'open letter' - I don't envisage major changes so it's probably best to circulate among your network now so that they can get the gist of what we're petitioning for and offering. > > Jonathan, I agree that Academia.edu might be a good platform once we've delivered the letter to the Palace and the relevant Ministries. This implies that the list of signatories will by then be finalised, so maybe we can think of a two-stage process, asking additional people to express their support in some way. Given my limited connectivity, is this something that either of you would be in a position to assist with? > > [SNIP] > > Best, > Jolyon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kengo001 at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 06:17:14 2019 From: kengo001 at gmail.com (Kengo Harimoto) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 19 15:17:14 +0900 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pali position Message-ID: <167F149B-12A3-4278-A63E-C500B1AECD36@gmail.com> Dear Members of the list There is an opening for a Pali lecturer at Mahidol University. Here is an announcement, posting on behalf of Mattia Salvini ---- Position: P?li, Full-Time Lecturer, International PhD Program in Buddhist Studies, Mahidol University We are looking for a P?li lecturer interested in working in a program focusing on textual studies. The position will allow for later application for academic titles (assistant professor, associate professor, professor). Candidates need to have a PhD in a relevant field and demonstrable abilities to teach and conduct research related to the P?li textual corpus. Preference will be given to candidates who also have knowledge of Sanskrit, and who intend to remain in Thailand for a considerable number of years. For further information, kindly contact Mattia Salvini --- A few additional details: ? Candidates will be asked to submit their CV ? Candidates may be asked for names/email addresses of a few referees ? Candidate aged below the age 60 are considered for the position, as per the University regulations ? The position stays open till a suitable candidate is found With best wishes, -- Kengo Harimoto From karp at uw.edu.pl Wed Jul 31 06:17:49 2019 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 19 08:17:49 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:_Font_for_sanskrit/p=C4=81li?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In Calibri, easily: *r? , l? , R? , r?? * Best, Artur ?r., 31 lip 2019 o 05:13 Artur Karp napisa?(a): > Calibri, > > Best, > Artur > > ?r., 31 lip 2019 o 04:23 Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a): > >> The Brill font has many virtues, but it isn't free for general use. Only >> on your own computer. If you want to publish something, you have to ask >> Brill's permission. Same with the Murty fonts. >> >> The rendering of macrons etc. could be a font issue, but it could also be >> a limitation of the text composition software being used. >> >> Try TeX Gyre Pagella? Or Libertinus Serif? Both free and excellent. >> >> Best, >> Dominik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Wed Jul 31 11:59:14 2019 From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 19 13:59:14 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Antw:_Re:__Fwd:_Font_for_sanskrit/p=C4=81li?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5D419EB2020000C30009BA92@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> Dear list members, just a list of possible fonts (please see attached), of which frequently I am using Palatino & Cormorant Infant, and owing to another project also Linux Libertine. These are all free afaik. Best, RS ??????????? Raik Strunz, M.A. Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften Seminar f?r Indologie Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 D-06108 Halle (Saale) www.indologie.uni-halle.de ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ? >>> Artur Karp via INDOLOGY 31.07.19 8.23 Uhr >>> In Calibri, easily: r? , l? , R? , r?? Best, Artur ?r., 31 lip 2019 o 05:13 Artur Karp napisa?(a): Calibri, Best, Artur ?r., 31 lip 2019 o 04:23 Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY napisa?(a): The Brill font has many virtues, but it isn't free for general use. Only on your own computer. If you want to publish something, you have to ask Brill's permission. Same with the Murty fonts. The rendering of macrons etc. could be a font issue, but it could also be a limitation of the text composition software being used. Try TeX Gyre Pagella? Or Libertinus Serif? Both free and excellent. Best, Dominik _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Fonts.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1546029 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Jul 31 13:34:48 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 19 06:34:48 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ???? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ? ? ????? ????? ??????????????? ????????? ??????? Only with your sweetness, O Krishna, my mind derives satisfaction. I will not ever leave you and go somewhere else. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adheesh1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 18:09:34 2019 From: adheesh1 at gmail.com (Adheesh Sathaye) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 19 11:09:34 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:_Font_for_sanskrit/p=C4=81li?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Brill font is quite good, and designed for languages that Brill regularly publishes, including Pali. According to Brill?s End User License Agreement, the font is free to use for non-commercial publication. (see: https://brill.com/page/FontsEndUserLicenseAgreement/brill-fonts-end-user-license-agreement) So it should be OK for a dissertation that isn?t being put up for sale (as the original inquiry had stated, I think). If a publication is being marketed commercially, it would anyway be the publisher?s responsibilty to purchase a license for whichever commercial font they need for typesetting your work. Gentium and a couple of other fonts released by SIL (e.g., Charis as suggested by another colleague) have very good coverage of diacritics, and they describe which ranges of the Unicode standard they cover: https://software.sil.org/gentium/ The advantage of SIL fonts is that they are created both for both OpenType and Graphite based applications, meaning that in theory they ought to render correctly on all platforms (this is rarely an issue for diacritics, as opposed to Devanagari and other contextual scripts). Google Fonts is another excellent trove for hundreds of fonts, all of which are Unicode compliant, open source, and free to use. Their interface is also quite user friendly and versatile, although there is a bit of a restriction in how many fonts can be downloaded at a time. Among other things, one can easily and rather robustly search for how specific Unicode characters are displayed (or if they?re displayed) within the various fonts. So for example, in searching for the rather rare ?r???, one finds a handful of fonts, such as Cardo, that do support it (though most don?t). One can type in the range of diacritic characters that one will need into the text box and see which fonts support them, and which fonts turn them into ?tofu? (). With best wishes, Adheesh > On Jul 30, 2019, at 19:22, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote: > > The Brill font has many virtues, but it isn't free for general use. Only on your own computer. If you want to publish something, you have to ask Brill's permission. Same with the Murty fonts. > > The rendering of macrons etc. could be a font issue, but it could also be a limitation of the text composition software being used. > > Try TeX Gyre Pagella? Or Libertinus Serif? Both free and excellent. > > Best, > Dominik > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ? Dr. Adheesh Sathaye Associate Professor of Sanskrit Literature and South Asian Folklore Dept. of Asian Studies || University of British Columbia 408-1871 West Mall || Vancouver BC CANADA V6T1Z2 adheesh at mail.ubc.ca || +1.604.822.5188 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment.gif Type: image/gif Size: 43 bytes Desc: not available URL: