From jknutson at hawaii.edu Fri Feb 1 06:46:58 2019 From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 19 20:46:58 -1000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New version of the DCS In-Reply-To: <4f2eb51e-c4b9-f646-b7c4-29dcd055652a@gmx.de> Message-ID: This is beautiful! On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:17 AM Oliver Hellwig via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all, > > a new version of the DCS has been released using a new URL: > http://www.sanskrit-linguistics.org/dcs/ > > Better to memorize, anyway! > > The new version contains a number of Vedic texts, including the RV, > larger parts of the Shaunakiya version of the AV, and related stuff. > Be careful: Some citations of these texts have gone wrong (e.g. ShBr > 5.2.1 instead of the correct citation 2.5.1). This is a bug in the > export routine, and I hope to fix it at some point. > > Moreover, the DCS now has a built-in functionality to annotate syntactic > dependencies, using the Universal Dependency tag set (see here: > https://universaldependencies.org/). Some sample annotations are > attached to the first hymns of the first book of the AV; check, for > instance, AVS 1.1. > I feel that having dep. anno for larger parts of the Sanskrit corpus > would be of enormous use for linguistic research. So, if you would like > to add dependencies on some texts of the DCS, please contact me for > login credentials and access to the preliminary version of the > annotation guidelines (Latex). You may even train a neural network based > dependency annotator, which greatly speeds up annotation (but, > unfortunately, does not seem to run in all browsers => Anybody > acquainted with tensorflowJS and willing to improve it?) > All annotations will be released on github along with the rest of the > corpus. > > Best, Oliver > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jesse Ross Knutson PhD Associate Professor of Sanskrit Language and Literature Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures University of Hawai'i at M?noa 461 Spalding -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbroo at abo.fi Fri Feb 1 08:27:21 2019 From: mbroo at abo.fi (mbroo at abo.fi) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 19 10:27:21 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Suddhikaumudi of Govindananda/ resolved Message-ID: <20190201102721.f0mr7xvj28cookwg@webmail2.abo.fi> Thank you very much to Lubomir Ondracka and Elliot Stern for pointing out that the text is found on Archive.org. https://archive.org/details/SuddhikaumudiOfGovindanandaKavikakanacharyaKamalakrishnaSmritibhushana1905bis Sincerely M?ns -- Dr. M?ns Broo Senior Lecturer of Comparative Religion Editor of Temenos, Nordic Journal of Comparative Religion ?bo Akademi University Fabriksgatan 2 FI-20500 ?bo, Finland phone: +358-2-2154398 fax: +358-2-2154902 mobile: +358-50-5695754 From andrea.acri at ephe.sorbonne.fr Fri Feb 1 09:38:29 2019 From: andrea.acri at ephe.sorbonne.fr (Andrea Acri) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 19 09:38:29 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf request - Hacker on Vivarta Message-ID: <213E66C0-CA39-40F5-A9DB-94390A09764D@ephe.sorbonne.fr> Dear list members, I?m looking for the .pdf of a book by Paul Hacker that does not seem to be available at the EFEO/BULAC/CdF libraries in Paris, namely: Vivarta: Studien zur Geschichte der illusionistischen Kosmologie und Erkenntnistheorie der Inder. Wiesbaden: Verlag der Akad. d. Wiss., 1953. Akad. d. Wissen. u. d. Lit. in Mainz. Abh. der geistes- und sozialwiss. Kl., Jahrgang 1953, Nr. 5. (58pp.) Many thanks in advance to those who have a copy at hand and are willing to share it. Andrea Andrea ACRI ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, PSL University Ma?tre de conf?rences/Assistant Professor ?tudes tantriques/Tantric Studies Section des Sciences religieuses, Paris Publications at: www.ephe.academia.edu/AndreaAcri www.ephe.fr | www.univ-psl.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrea.acri at ephe.sorbonne.fr Fri Feb 1 10:07:04 2019 From: andrea.acri at ephe.sorbonne.fr (Andrea Acri) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 19 10:07:04 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf request - Hacker on Vivarta In-Reply-To: <213E66C0-CA39-40F5-A9DB-94390A09764D@ephe.sorbonne.fr> Message-ID: What a wonderful resource this list is?a deluge of .pdfs has already reached me! Many thanks to those who have shared the .pdf. Andrea Andrea ACRI ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, PSL University Ma?tre de conf?rences/Assistant Professor ?tudes tantriques/Tantric Studies Section des Sciences religieuses, Paris Publications at: www.ephe.academia.edu/AndreaAcri www.ephe.fr | www.univ-psl.fr Le 1 f?vr. 2019 ? 10:38, Andrea Acri via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear list members, I?m looking for the .pdf of a book by Paul Hacker that does not seem to be available at the EFEO/BULAC/CdF libraries in Paris, namely: Vivarta: Studien zur Geschichte der illusionistischen Kosmologie und Erkenntnistheorie der Inder. Wiesbaden: Verlag der Akad. d. Wiss., 1953. Akad. d. Wissen. u. d. Lit. in Mainz. Abh. der geistes- und sozialwiss. Kl., Jahrgang 1953, Nr. 5. (58pp.) Many thanks in advance to those who have a copy at hand and are willing to share it. Andrea Andrea ACRI ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, PSL University Ma?tre de conf?rences/Assistant Professor ?tudes tantriques/Tantric Studies Section des Sciences religieuses, Paris Publications at: www.ephe.academia.edu/AndreaAcri www.ephe.fr | www.univ-psl.fr _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 12:14:24 2019 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 19 13:14:24 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Extension of Sanskrit Heritage tools with connection to Amba Kulkarni's parser In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear G?rard, Congratulations on updating your non-paninian generative device! Something is indeed still going wrong with "ana?uh" However, in the case of "ubhaya", the lexical information that "ubhaya" in dual is very rare (though acc. to MW not entirely unattested) is a lexicographic annotation which does not affect the grammatical generation of its forms. And, logically, "two" is the lower limit of the number of separate things that can be "of two kinds"... which ubhau would express as being simply two in number, not also as "of two kinds"... Best, Jan On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 19:17, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Certainly a welcome development, but > > > this wonderful grammatical analysis > > really calls for a thorough revision before activating it. The very few > searches I could make yielded inexplicable, in parts unbelievably wrong > results. Anyone may see for themselves if they just test the declension of > "adas", "idam", "ubhaya" (displaying dual forms, but no fem.), "sarv?" > (fem.), "dos / do?an", "ana?uh", "asthi", and many more. In the hands of > Sanskrit beginners who lack grammatical training this database will do > more harm than good. I can only warn against its use until it has seen a > very careful revision by experts. > > Kind regards, > WS > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi Fri Feb 1 12:35:23 2019 From: klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi (Karttunen, Klaus J) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 19 12:35:23 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, it seems that the Journal of Oriental Inst. Baroda is not in Internet snd our library accession only begins in the early 70s. I would like to know, what Vittore Pisani had to say in vol. 14, 1965, 315f. I would be grateful of a scan of those two pages (if my reference is correct). Best, Klaus Klaus Karttunen South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B) 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND Tel +358-50 4482418 (office) +358-50 442439121 (home) Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Feb 1 14:39:25 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 19 06:39:25 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses [COMPLETED 1000 VERSES YESTERDAY] ???????? ?????????? ??????? ????? ?? ????? ??????? ? "?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ???? ???????" ??????? I am tired of wandering everywhere. O Krishna, where is that Gokula of yours? [Krishna says:] "The Gokula is where I am, and I am where the Gokula is." Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Gerard.Huet at inria.fr Fri Feb 1 15:50:32 2019 From: Gerard.Huet at inria.fr (=?utf-8?Q?G=C3=A9rard_Huet?=) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 19 16:50:32 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Extension of Sanskrit Heritage tools with connection to Amba Kulkarni's parser In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2376D607-D434-4568-8F9C-F8249092273A@inria.fr> Thank you Jan for your remarks. For clarification, let me say again that what I announced on the list was not so much a rehaul of my generation devices than a new interface of my segmenter with Amba Kulkarni?s dependency parser, which supersedes my old rather unsatisfactory shallow parser. Now concerning my ? non-paninian generative device ?, I must reiterate a warning, since this is a recurrent motive of misunderstanding. The tool accessible for declension of nominal stems and verbal roots under the link ? Grammar ? is not something that should be trusted blindly, since it expects stems consistent with their spelling in my dictionary. Thus throwing ? ana?uh ? to the tool yields arbitrary forms, since its lexicalized stem is ? ana?vah ?, consistent with its etymology as a compound of anas and vah#2. If you click on the ? m. ? masculine link on its defining entry page you will get the following table which should correspond to your expectations, or at least is consistent with Whitney?404. And this is all that matters for me, since I am not interested in drilling students with vibhakti generation, but on the contrary in providing a reader tool that assists users in analyzing classical Sanskrit text without extensive grammatical training. May I make the remark that this situation is not so different from trying to use A???dhy?y? with a random Dh?tup??ha ? As you very well know, one may get very weird results if one does not use the precise Dh?tup??ha used by P??ini himself. Similarly, if you throw a root to my conjugation engine with arbitrary spelling, without including its homophony index, and with a non-expected ga?a, you will get tons of wrong forms, but this is without consequences on the reader tool, since it uses only forms generated through the lexicon parameters. Actually, in view of its misleading usages, the Grammar link to my generating morphology tools ought probably to be hidden from casual users sight, and reserved for debugging mode. It seems mostly to attract Sanskrit teachers like a magnet, to try ana?uh, path, dos and other weird consonantal stems, as to get reassured in their opinion that it generates junk. So once in a while I spend a few improductive hours fixing generation of improbable items. Scratching my head as to whether I should generate the nominative of vivik? as vivi? (following Monier-Williams) or as vivik (following Kane?97). Should I consult the pandits to know their opinion as to what is the correct Paninian form ? My own experience at this sort of test is frustrating. What really matters for me is whether the form appears in corpus, probably under the two variants? This said, I am always happy to fix blatant mistakes signaled by seasoned users of the tool (i.e. having read the manual with its numerous caveats). But ananta???stram alpa?j?vitam ! Best G?rard > Le 1 f?vr. 2019 ? 13:14, Jan E.M. Houben a ?crit : > > Dear G?rard, > Congratulations on updating your non-paninian generative device! > Something is indeed still going wrong with > "ana?uh" > However, in the case of "ubhaya", the lexical information that "ubhaya" in dual is very rare (though acc. to MW not entirely unattested) is a lexicographic annotation which does not affect the grammatical generation of its forms. > And, logically, "two" is the lower limit of the number of separate things that can be "of two kinds"... which ubhau would express as being simply two in number, not also as "of two kinds"... > Best, Jan > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 19:17, Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Certainly a welcome development, but > > > this wonderful grammatical analysis > > really calls for a thorough revision before activating it. The very few searches I could make yielded inexplicable, in parts unbelievably wrong results. Anyone may see for themselves if they just test the declension of "adas", "idam", "ubhaya" (displaying dual forms, but no fem.), "sarv?" (fem.), "dos / do?an", "ana?uh", "asthi", and many more. In the hands of Sanskrit beginners who lack grammatical training this database will do more harm than good. I can only warn against its use until it has seen a very careful revision by experts. > > Kind regards, > WS > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > -- > Jan E.M. Houben > Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology > Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite > ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) > Sciences historiques et philologiques > 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris > johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr > johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu > https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Feb 2 15:07:32 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 19 07:07:32 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????? ? ???????? ????????? ???: ?????: ? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ???????? ??????? There is no need for coming nor going. Krishna is everywhere. If Krishna is in my heart, I already reside in Gokula. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Christopher.Austin at Dal.Ca Sat Feb 2 15:25:15 2019 From: Christopher.Austin at Dal.Ca (Christopher Austin) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 19 15:25:15 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Publication Announcement - The Pradyumnabhyudaya of Ravivarman Message-ID: Hello all, If I may, I would like to announce the publication of the following title: The Pradyumn?bhyudaya of Ravivarman: A New Sanskrit Text of the Trivandrum Edition and English Translation. Translated with an Introduction by Christopher R. Austin. Harrassowitz Verlag, Drama und Theater in S?dasien no.12. https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/The_Pradyumn%C4%81bhyudaya_of_Ravivarman/title_5806.ahtml A full monograph study on Pradyumna, the play's hero, will appear later this year. Kindest regards, Chris Dr. Christopher R. Austin Associate Professor, Religious Studies (Dept. of Classics) Dalhousie University Treasurer, Canadian Corporation for Studies in Religion christopher.austin at dal.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nehrdbsd at googlemail.com Sat Feb 2 23:22:29 2019 From: nehrdbsd at googlemail.com (Sebastian Nehrdich) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 19 08:22:29 +0900 Subject: [INDOLOGY] GRETIL quotation network Message-ID: Hello everybody, Based on the Sandhi-splitter that Oliver Hellwig and me developed last year ( https://github.com/OliverHellwig/sanskrit/blob/master/papers/2018emnlp/sandhi-rnn-hellwig-nehrdich.pdf), I have calculated approximate quotations and parallel passages within the GRETIL corpus. The HTML-tables of the quotations can be accessed here: http://buddhist-db.de/sanskrit-html/index.html The tables are in a very simple format, but since links to the quoted passages are provided, it can be quite entertaining to navigate through the files and jump to the quoted passages. The code and a small description of the used tools are on github: https://github.com/sebastian-nehrdich/gretil-quotations The algorithm is based on fasttext vector representations of sequences with a fixed length of six tokens. This is short enough to match sets of two p?das of an anu??ubh stanza and long enough to avoid yielding too much unwanted results. I set the cutoff for the similarity intentionally low, so even matches which might be just very loosely related are included in the results. I think it is better to have some unrelated results from time to time than to miss something that might be of importance. Also the formatting of the GRETIL files is quite different from file to file, and it might have happened that during the process of extracting and splitting the Sanskrit sentences something did not go perfectly well. It is therefore always a good idea to check back with the original etext files. With best wishes, Sebastian Nehrdich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Feb 2 23:47:24 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 19 15:47:24 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] GRETIL quotation network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Sebastian, Congratulations for an amazing achievement. I tested a few texts and they worked well. The one that did not open was Atharvaveda-Sa?hit?. So there may be a few glitches here and there. I saw Bhartr?hari's ?atakas. Is the V?kyapad?ya inculded? I may have missed it in the long list. In any case, thank you so much for providing this wonderful resource. With best wishes, Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 3:23 PM Sebastian Nehrdich via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Hello everybody, > > Based on the Sandhi-splitter that Oliver Hellwig and me developed last > year ( > https://github.com/OliverHellwig/sanskrit/blob/master/papers/2018emnlp/sandhi-rnn-hellwig-nehrdich.pdf), > I have calculated approximate quotations and parallel passages within the > GRETIL corpus. The HTML-tables of the quotations can be accessed here: > http://buddhist-db.de/sanskrit-html/index.html > The tables are in a very simple format, but since links to the quoted > passages are provided, it can be quite entertaining to navigate through the > files and jump to the quoted passages. > > The code and a small description of the used tools are on github: > https://github.com/sebastian-nehrdich/gretil-quotations > > The algorithm is based on fasttext vector representations of sequences > with a fixed length of six tokens. This is short enough to match sets of > two p?das of an anu??ubh stanza and long enough to avoid yielding too much > unwanted results. I set the cutoff for the similarity intentionally low, so > even matches which might be just very loosely related are included in the > results. I think it is better to have some unrelated results from time to > time than to miss something that might be of importance. Also the > formatting of the GRETIL files is quite different from file to file, and it > might have happened that during the process of extracting and splitting the > Sanskrit sentences something did not go perfectly well. It is therefore > always a good idea to check back with the original etext files. > With best wishes, > > Sebastian Nehrdich > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Sun Feb 3 11:57:49 2019 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 19 11:57:49 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] question about Vedic particle kam Message-ID: Dear List members, Is there a study dedicated to the Vedic particle kam? My information is restricted to Macdonell's grammar. With kind regards, Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 13:52:22 2019 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 19 14:52:22 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Indian astronomical instruments Revised Edition of the Catalogue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear List Members, A new revised edition of the Descriptive Catalogue of Indian Astronomical Instruments has now been released by Prof. Sreeramula Rajeswara Sarma. I want to both congratulate Prof. Sarma with this achievement and thank him for making it generously available to all those interested. An earlier version was announced on this List by Dominik around one and a half year ago. An accessible introduction to the objects described in this Catalogue and their use and cultural historical context is found in Prof. Sarma's book The Archaic and the Exotic: Studies in the History of Indian Astronomical Instruments, Manohar publishers and distributors, Delhi, 2008. The list of categories of Indian scientific instruments which Sarma envisaged for his catalogue then still only in preparation (p. 27) gives a good impression of the varieties of Indian instruments available in- and outside India: 1.1 Water Clocks, Outflow Type 1.2 Water Clocks, Sinking Bowl Type 2.1 Sun Dials with Vertical Gnomon 2.2 Sun Dials with Horizontal Gnomon 2.3 Equinoctial Sun Dials 2.4 Column Sun Dials 2.5 Other Kinds of Sun Dials 3.1 Sand Clocks, calibrated for Gha??s 3.1 Sand-Clocks, calibrated for Hours 4.1 Quadrants, Sanskrit 4.2 Quadrants, Indo-Persian 5.1 Armillary Spheres, Sanskrit 5.2 Armillary Spheres, Indo-Persian 6.1 Ring Dials 6.2 Universal Ring Dials 7.0 Noctumal-cum-Quadrant (Dhruvabhrama-yantra) 8.0 Phalaka-yantras, as described by Bh?skara II 9.1 Astrolabes, Indo-Persian, by. Allahdad Family 9.2 Astrolabes, Indo-Persian, by others 9.4 Astrolabes, Sanskrit, for several Latitudes 9.5 Astrolabes, Sanskrit, for a single Latitude 10.1 Celestial Globes, Indo-Persian, by All?hd?d Family 10.2 Celestial Globes, Indo-Persian, by others 10.3 Celestial Globes, Sanskrit 11.0 Other Instruments, inscribed in Sanskrit 12.0 Other Instruments, inscribed in Persian ---------- Forwarded message --------- Since the release of the full catalogue in January 2018, I came to know of some new instruments. I have prepared a revised edition of the catalogue, after incorporating these new instruments and several indexes. There has been a suggestion that a shorter version of the catalogue, consisting of all the introductory essays and appendices, but excluding the catalogue proper, would be easier for the general reader to handle. Following this suggestion, my son Ananda prepared the abridged version. The Revised Edition of the Catalogue (4454 pages) as well as the Abridged Version (656 pages) can be accessed at my homepage. With this I conclude my work on Indian astronomical instruments which I began long ago. I wish to express my deep sense of gratitude to all the museums and the private collectors who permitted me to study the instruments in their possession and to the many friends and well-wishers across the globe who helped in various ways in the preparation of this catalogue. Special thanks are to my son Ananda who prepared the online version. S. R. Sarma H?henstrasse 28 { 40227 D?sseldorf { Germany { www.srsarma.in -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 54255 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Feb 3 15:03:31 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 19 07:03:31 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????? ??? ???????: ???????????? ??????????? ? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ????: ??????? If Krishna is in my heart, where else do I need to go? The entire Gokula is where Krishna delights. Madhav M. 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Unfortunately, I?m not aware of any more recent or more comprehensive study. Best wishes, Hans Henrich Hock ? 105. k?m hinter dem Dativ. Ueber k?m (slav. k? s. Ws. M i l l e r in K u h n und Schleichers Beitr. 8, 101) sagen BR: ,,1) wohl, gut, bene. 2) dient zur Hervorhebung der Beziehung des Dativs und steht in der Regel am Ende eines Pada.? Die Bedeutung ?wohl u. s. w.? l?sst sich auch in dem unter 2 aufgefu?hrten Gebrauch noch erkennen. Es steht n?mlich k?m nur hinter Dativen von Personen (dem sog. dativus commodi) und hinter Dativen von Abstractis (dem sog. finalen Dativ), also nur in F?llen, wo ein ??zum Heil?? oder ein ?hnlicher Begriff am Platze ist, z. B.: yuv?m et?? cakrathu? s?ndhu?u plav?m ?tmanv?nta? pak???a? taugry??ya k?m ihr habt jenes belebte, beflu?gelte Schiff in das Wasser gesetzt fu?r T., dem T. zum Heile RV 1, 182, 5. tv??? dev??so am??t?ya k?? papu? dich haben die G?tter der Unsterblichkeit zu Liebe getrunken 9, 106, 8. sam?n?m a?jy ?njate ?ubh? k?m mit gleicher Farbe schmu?cken sie sich, um zu gl?nzen 7, 57, 3. In P erscheint derselbe Gebrauch, z. B.: k?smai k?m agnihotr?? h?yat? iti zu wessen Gunsten wird das Agnihotra dargebracht MS 1, 8, 1 (115, 5), vgl. MS 1, 7, 5 (113, 15). 4, 5, 3 (66, 9). t?jase k?? p?r??m? ijyate um des Glanzes willen wird das Vollmondsopfer dargebracht MS 1, 9, 5 (136, 3). ????e v?i k?? y?jam?no yajate mit Hinblick auf das Bittgebet bringt der Opferer ein Opfer dar TS 1, 5, 9, 6 ? vgl. noch MS 1? 9? 4 (135, 16), 3, 6, 3 (63, 2) vgl. ? 98. ? 253. kam. Das unbetonte kam (???)1 erscheint nur im R V und an einer selbst?ndigen Stelle des AV, und stets nur als Anhang an die Partikeln n? s? h?. Inwieweit der Sinn fassbar ist, erhellt aus der folgenden Uebersicht des Gebrauches. 1) nu kam erscheint beim Injunctiv: v???or n? ka? v?ry??i pr? vocam V i ? ? u ' s Thaten will ich jetzt preisen l , 154, 1. vgl. 2, 18, 3. 10, 157, 1. Beim Imperativ: dv? n? ka? jy??y?n yaj?dvanasa? hilf als St?rkerer dem Opferliebenden 10, 50, 5. Beim Conjunctiv in demselben Verse: dso n? kam aj?ro v?rdh?? ca sei immer jung und wachse. Sodann in indicativischen Haupts?tzen: ev?n n? kam s?ndhum ebhis tat?ra so hat er denn nun den Fluss mit ihnen u?berschritten 7, 33, 3. k?d ? nv ?sy??k?tam indrasy?sti Fn 1) Das betonte kam s. S. 150. ? 154 ? p?u?syam k?no n? ka? ?r?matena n? ?u?ruve welche Heldenthat ist vorhanden, welche von Indra nicht gethan W?re, und durch Welchen Ruhm ist er nicht beru?hmt! 8, 55, 9. Endlich in einem Relativsatz: vid?d g?vya? sar?m? d?lh?m ?rv?? y?n? n? ku? m??nu?? bh?iate vi? Saram? fand den festen Stall der Ku?he, durch die ja doch das menschliche Geschlecht lebt 1, 72, 8. 2) su kam findet sich nur beim Imperativ: t???h? s? ka? ma? ghavan m?? p?r? g?? bleib doch stehen, o Herr, geh nicht weiter 3, 53, 2. vgl. 1? 191, 6. 3) h? kam findet sich beim Imperativ: p??kt?? hav????i m?dhun?? hi ka? gat?m ?th? s?ma? pibatam mischet die Opfer mit Meth, kommt doch herbei und trinket dann den Soma 2, 37, 5. Beim Conjunctiv: dev??sa? ????van hi kam die G?tter sollen es h?ren 9? 49, 4. Gew?hnlich aber, dem Gebrauch von hi entsprechend, beim Indicativ oder in S?tzen ohne Verbum : v?sur v?supatir hi kam ?sy agne vibh??? vasu? sy??ma te sumat??v ?pi gut, ein Herr von Gu?tern bist du ja, o Agni, glanzreich, mochten wir in deiner Gunst stehen 8, 44, 24. vgl. 7, 59, 5. 6, 51, 14. 1, 47, 10. vai?v?nar?sya sumat?u sy?ma r??ja hi ka? bh?van?n?m abhi?r??? m?chten wir in der Gunst des V. stehen, denn er ist der K?nig, der die Wesen regiert 1, 98, 1. On 3 Feb 2019, at 05:57, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear List members, Is there a study dedicated to the Vedic particle kam? My information is restricted to Macdonell's grammar. With kind regards, Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regarding the V?kyapad?ya, this should be the file: http://buddhist-db.de/sanskrit-html/vakyp1au.html When I scraped the data from GRETIL, all I could use in order to provide the filenames was the information included in the headers of the etexts, which is usually without diacritics and sometimes in a strange formatting, so using the list I provided has it's own challenges. Unfortunately there is not yet a good well-formatted list of the (about 1300) etexts in this collection, that would be very helpful. With best wishes, Sebastian On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 8:47 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Dear Sebastian, > > Congratulations for an amazing achievement. I tested a few texts and > they worked well. The one that did not open was Atharvaveda-Sa?hit?. So > there may be a few glitches here and there. I saw Bhartr?hari's ?atakas. > Is the V?kyapad?ya inculded? I may have missed it in the long list. > In any case, thank you so much for providing this wonderful > resource. With best wishes, > > Madhav > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 3:23 PM Sebastian Nehrdich via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Hello everybody, >> >> Based on the Sandhi-splitter that Oliver Hellwig and me developed last >> year ( >> https://github.com/OliverHellwig/sanskrit/blob/master/papers/2018emnlp/sandhi-rnn-hellwig-nehrdich.pdf), >> I have calculated approximate quotations and parallel passages within the >> GRETIL corpus. The HTML-tables of the quotations can be accessed here: >> http://buddhist-db.de/sanskrit-html/index.html >> The tables are in a very simple format, but since links to the quoted >> passages are provided, it can be quite entertaining to navigate through the >> files and jump to the quoted passages. >> >> The code and a small description of the used tools are on github: >> https://github.com/sebastian-nehrdich/gretil-quotations >> >> The algorithm is based on fasttext vector representations of sequences >> with a fixed length of six tokens. This is short enough to match sets of >> two p?das of an anu??ubh stanza and long enough to avoid yielding too much >> unwanted results. I set the cutoff for the similarity intentionally low, so >> even matches which might be just very loosely related are included in the >> results. I think it is better to have some unrelated results from time to >> time than to miss something that might be of importance. Also the >> formatting of the GRETIL files is quite different from file to file, and it >> might have happened that during the process of extracting and splitting the >> Sanskrit sentences something did not go perfectly well. It is therefore >> always a good idea to check back with the original etext files. >> With best wishes, >> >> Sebastian Nehrdich >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The situation is slightly complicated by a colophon which reads "ma?h h?ra? mulk m?rv?? k??h?," indicating Saran Math in the region (mulk) of Marwar. Should k??h? be understood as synonymous with mulk, or do they express separate definitions of territory? Any help would be much appreciated. Best regards, Jacob Jacob Schmidt-Madsen PhD Fellow University of Copenhagen Denmark From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Feb 5 17:22:45 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 19 09:22:45 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????? ?? ???????: ???????????????: ? ?????????? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ??????? Krishna resides in my heart and the sound of his flute falls on my ears. His name is on the tip of my tongue. His Gokula is all around me. Madhav M. 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(sometimes rendered as > "m?rv?? (k??h?)") in the colophons of a group of Rajasthani cloth > paintings (dated 17-19th century, but probably modern forgeries). I > suppose that the meaning is something along the lines of "the region of > Marwar," but the only definitions of k??h? I have been able to find are > "a measure of length" and "a measure of land of 320 square cubits." > > The situation is slightly complicated by a colophon which reads "ma?h > h?ra? mulk m?rv?? k??h?," indicating Saran Math in the region (mulk) of > Marwar. Should k??h? be understood as synonymous with mulk, or do they > express separate definitions of territory? > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Best regards, > Jacob > > Jacob Schmidt-Madsen > PhD Fellow > University of Copenhagen > Denmark > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz Tue Feb 5 20:31:25 2019 From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 19 20:31:25 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81=E1=B9=ADh=C4=81?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190205213214.f9a3df9e579a6c761d646f2e@ff.cuni.cz> Dear Rich, I was also considering this possibility, but the problem is that, as far as I know, in Bengali this word is never used with retroflex '?ha', in standard Bengali it is always k??th? (and in Hindi it is also not retroflexed: ka?th?), coming, as you say, from Sanskrit kanth?. Even various Middle Bengali forms (keth?, ky??th?, ky??t?, kh??t?, ky?th?, k?nth?, etc.) are never retroflexed. But I do not know phonological rules of Marwari or Rajasthani, perhaps this change is possible. Best, Lubomir On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 11:59:24 -0800 "Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY" wrote: > The word k??h? (with first syllable nasalized, I think) is used in Bengal > (Bangla Desh; also West Bengal?) to refer to cloths with embroidered > narrative scenes. The work is presumably derived from Skt. kanthaa "rag, > patched garment" (MW; cf. CDIAL #2721, not citing the Bangla; also KEWA > I.151-2, comparing Lat. centoo "Flickwerk"). > > Rich Salomon > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:40 AM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > I am encountering the expression "m?rv?? k??h?" (sometimes rendered as > > "m?rv?? (k??h?)") in the colophons of a group of Rajasthani cloth > > paintings (dated 17-19th century, but probably modern forgeries). I > > suppose that the meaning is something along the lines of "the region of > > Marwar," but the only definitions of k??h? I have been able to find are > > "a measure of length" and "a measure of land of 320 square cubits." > > > > The situation is slightly complicated by a colophon which reads "ma?h > > h?ra? mulk m?rv?? k??h?," indicating Saran Math in the region (mulk) of > > Marwar. Should k??h? be understood as synonymous with mulk, or do they > > express separate definitions of territory? > > > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > > > Best regards, > > Jacob > > > > Jacob Schmidt-Madsen > > PhD Fellow > > University of Copenhagen > > Denmark > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > > unsubscribe) > > From karp at uw.edu.pl Tue Feb 5 21:46:55 2019 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 19 22:46:55 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?B?W0lORE9MT0dZXSBLxIHhua1oxIE=?= Message-ID: Dear Discutants, I'd rather go for CDIAL 3120 k?s??h?- 'piece of wood'. Block of wood, serving as a stamp - used for printing on fabrics the symbolic signs of Marvar? Best, Artur Karp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Tue Feb 5 21:49:17 2019 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 19 22:49:17 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_K=C4=81=E1=B9=ADh=C4=81?= In-Reply-To: <20190205213214.f9a3df9e579a6c761d646f2e@ff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: I'd rather go for CDIAL 3120 k?s??h?- 'piece of wood'. Block of wood, serving as a stamp - used for printing on fabrics the symbolic signs of Marvar? Best, Artur Karp wt., 5 lut 2019 o 21:32 Lubom?r Ondra?ka via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a): > Dear Rich, > > I was also considering this possibility, but the problem is that, as far > as I know, in Bengali this word is never used with retroflex '?ha', in > standard Bengali it is always k??th? (and in Hindi it is also not > retroflexed: ka?th?), coming, as you say, from Sanskrit kanth?. > > Even various Middle Bengali forms (keth?, ky??th?, ky??t?, kh??t?, ky?th?, > k?nth?, etc.) are never retroflexed. But I do not know phonological rules > of Marwari or Rajasthani, perhaps this change is possible. > > Best, > Lubomir > > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 11:59:24 -0800 > "Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY" wrote: > > > The word k??h? (with first syllable nasalized, I think) is used in Bengal > > (Bangla Desh; also West Bengal?) to refer to cloths with embroidered > > narrative scenes. The work is presumably derived from Skt. kanthaa "rag, > > patched garment" (MW; cf. CDIAL #2721, not citing the Bangla; also KEWA > > I.151-2, comparing Lat. centoo "Flickwerk"). > > > > Rich Salomon > > > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:40 AM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY < > > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > > > I am encountering the expression "m?rv?? k??h?" (sometimes rendered as > > > "m?rv?? (k??h?)") in the colophons of a group of Rajasthani cloth > > > paintings (dated 17-19th century, but probably modern forgeries). I > > > suppose that the meaning is something along the lines of "the region of > > > Marwar," but the only definitions of k??h? I have been able to find are > > > "a measure of length" and "a measure of land of 320 square cubits." > > > > > > The situation is slightly complicated by a colophon which reads "ma?h > > > h?ra? mulk m?rv?? k??h?," indicating Saran Math in the region (mulk) of > > > Marwar. Should k??h? be understood as synonymous with mulk, or do they > > > express separate definitions of territory? > > > > > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Jacob > > > > > > Jacob Schmidt-Madsen > > > PhD Fellow > > > University of Copenhagen > > > Denmark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > > committee) > > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or > > > unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(and in Hindi it is also not >> retroflexed: ka?th?), coming, as you say, from Sanskrit kanth?. >> >> Even various Middle Bengali forms (keth?, ky??th?, ky??t?, kh??t?, >> ky?th?, k?nth?, etc.) are never retroflexed. But I do not know phonological >> rules of Marwari or Rajasthani, perhaps this change is possible. >> >> Best, >> Lubomir >> >> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 11:59:24 -0800 >> "Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY" wrote: >> >> > The word k??h? (with first syllable nasalized, I think) is used in >> Bengal >> > (Bangla Desh; also West Bengal?) to refer to cloths with embroidered >> > narrative scenes. The work is presumably derived from Skt. kanthaa "rag, >> > patched garment" (MW; cf. CDIAL #2721, not citing the Bangla; also KEWA >> > I.151-2, comparing Lat. centoo "Flickwerk"). >> > >> > Rich Salomon >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:40 AM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY < >> > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> > >> > > Dear colleagues, >> > > >> > > I am encountering the expression "m?rv?? k??h?" (sometimes rendered as >> > > "m?rv?? (k??h?)") in the colophons of a group of Rajasthani cloth >> > > paintings (dated 17-19th century, but probably modern forgeries). I >> > > suppose that the meaning is something along the lines of "the region >> of >> > > Marwar," but the only definitions of k??h? I have been able to find >> are >> > > "a measure of length" and "a measure of land of 320 square cubits." >> > > >> > > The situation is slightly complicated by a colophon which reads "ma?h >> > > h?ra? mulk m?rv?? k??h?," indicating Saran Math in the region (mulk) >> of >> > > Marwar. Should k??h? be understood as synonymous with mulk, or do they >> > > express separate definitions of territory? >> > > >> > > Any help would be much appreciated. >> > > >> > > Best regards, >> > > Jacob >> > > >> > > Jacob Schmidt-Madsen >> > > PhD Fellow >> > > University of Copenhagen >> > > Denmark >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > INDOLOGY mailing list >> > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> > > committee) >> > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >> options or >> > > unsubscribe) >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Woodblock > printing), ?????? ??? ???? ?? > ????? ?? ?????? ????? ?? > ???? ?? ?? ????? ??? > > Best, > > Artur Karp > > wt., 5 lut 2019 o 22:49 Artur Karp napisa?(a): > >> I'd rather go for CDIAL 3120 k?s??h?- 'piece of wood'. >> >> Block of wood, serving as a stamp - used for printing on fabrics >> the symbolic signs of Marvar? >> >> Best, >> >> Artur Karp >> >> wt., 5 lut 2019 o 21:32 Lubom?r Ondra?ka via INDOLOGY >> napisa?(a): >> >>> Dear Rich, >>> >>> I was also considering this possibility, but the problem is that, >>> as far as I know, in Bengali this word is never used with >>> retroflex '?ha', in standard Bengali it is always k??th? >>> (and in Hindi it is also not retroflexed: ka?th?), coming, as >>> you say, from Sanskrit kanth?. >>> >>> Even various Middle Bengali forms (keth?, ky??th?, >>> ky??t?, kh??t?, ky?th?, k?nth?, etc.) are never >>> retroflexed. But I do not know phonological rules of Marwari or >>> Rajasthani, perhaps this change is possible. >>> >>> Best, >>> Lubomir >>> >>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 11:59:24 -0800 >>> "Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The word k??h? (with first syllable nasalized, I think) is >>> used in Bengal >>>> (Bangla Desh; also West Bengal?) to refer to cloths with >>> embroidered >>>> narrative scenes. The work is presumably derived from Skt. >>> kanthaa "rag, >>>> patched garment" (MW; cf. CDIAL #2721, not citing the Bangla; >>> also KEWA >>>> I.151-2, comparing Lat. centoo "Flickwerk"). >>>> >>>> Rich Salomon >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:40 AM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY >>> < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> I am encountering the expression "m?rv?? k??h?" >>> (sometimes rendered as >>>>> "m?rv?? (k??h?)") in the colophons of a group of >>> Rajasthani cloth >>>>> paintings (dated 17-19th century, but probably modern >>> forgeries). I >>>>> suppose that the meaning is something along the lines of "the >>> region of >>>>> Marwar," but the only definitions of k??h? I have been >>> able to find are >>>>> "a measure of length" and "a measure of land of 320 square >>> cubits." >>>>> >>>>> The situation is slightly complicated by a colophon which >>> reads "ma?h >>>>> h?ra? mulk m?rv?? k??h?," indicating Saran Math in >>> the region (mulk) of >>>>> Marwar. Should k??h? be understood as synonymous with >>> mulk, or do they >>>>> express separate definitions of territory? >>>>> >>>>> Any help would be much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Jacob >>>>> >>>>> Jacob Schmidt-Madsen >>>>> PhD Fellow >>>>> University of Copenhagen >>>>> Denmark >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's >>> managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>> options or >>>>> unsubscribe) >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>> options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or unsubscribe) From julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de Wed Feb 6 11:33:33 2019 From: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de (Julia Hegewald) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 19 12:33:33 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Workshop on Dependencies and Art in Bonn: 12.-14. 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This paper seeks to explore this symbiosis in the light of theoretical approaches to the sociology of money. The forms of money are protean; they range from ?nanda?s tangible money in the shape of coins with a positive intrinsic value to today?s largely invisible money, which depends on a negative concept, debt, for its value. The paper will attempt to survey the interface between Jain ethical values and money in its various forms. Further details / registration *21st Jaina Studies Workshop* *Jainism and Money* When? Sat 23 March 2019, 9am Where? Room BGLT, College Buildings, SOAS University of London Open to? Students, scholars, public, alumni Registration This event is free but registration is required *Programme* *First Session: Monks and Merchants* 9:00am Tea and Coffee 9:15am *Johannes Bronkhorst *(University of Lausanne, Switzerland) - *Two Uses of Anek?ntav?da* 9:45am *Christine Chojnacki *(University of Lyon, France) - *A Successful Investment: Jain Merchants and the Transmission of Long Medieval Narratives* 10:15am *Aleksandra Restifo *(University of Oxford) - *Disentangling Poetry from Profit in Jain Monks? Literary Works* 10:45am Tea and Coffee *Second Session: Jaina-Philanthropy* 11:15am *Basile Lecl?re *(University of Lyon, France) - *The Gold of Gods: Stories of Temple Financing from Jain Prabandhas* 11:45am *Bindi Shah *(University of Southampton) - *Enacting Contemporary Jain Religiosity through Philanthropy in the Diaspora* 12:15pm *Christopher Chapple *(Loyola University, Los Angeles) - *Jain Philanthropic Support of Higher Education in North America* 12:45pm Group Photo 1:00pm Lunch *Third Session: Money and Karma* 2:00pm *Whitney Kelting *(Eastern University, Boston) - *Money, Piety, and Masculinity in Jain Maharashtra* 2:30pm *William G. Clarence-Smith* (SOAS) - *Jainism and the Pearling Economy, 19th and 20th Centuries* 3:00pm *Peter Fl?gel *(SOAS) - *Selling and Buying: Karmic Fruits of Transactions* 3:30pm Tea and Coffee *Fourth Session: Money, Wealth, Ethics* 4:00pm Roundtable Discussion - *Sam Whimster *(chair)*, Abay Firodia, Meghnad Jagdishchandra Desai, Michael Mainelli, Andrew McMurtrie and others * *Fifth Session: Jaina Economics* 5:00pm *Atul Shah *(City University, London) - *Aparigraha: Understanding the Nature and Limits of Money* 5:30pm Roundtable Discussion - *Marcus Banks *(chair)*, Miten Shah, Ellis Dee, Georgeou, Sagar K. Shah and others * 6:30pm Final Remarks Further details / registration Centre of Jaina Studies The aim of the SOAS Centre of Jaina Studies (COJS) is to promote the study of Jaina religion and culture by providing an interdisciplinary platform for academic research, teaching and publication in the field of Jaina Studies. 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A block-imprint. > > Best, > > Artur > > ?r., 6 lut 2019 o 11:32 Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via INDOLOGY > napisa?(a): > >> Dear Artur, Lubom?r, and Richard, >> >> Many thanks for your inputs. Adheesh Sathaye suggested off-list that >> >> k??h? could be related to Marathi k??ha or k??h? which >> means edge, bank, >> etc. Since the paintings derive from the village of Siriyari in >> Marwar >> just a few kilometers from the border to Mewar, it would make good >> sense >> if the readings "m?rv?? k??h?," "m?rv?? (k??h?)," >> and "mulk m?rv?? >> k??h?" all indicated the Marwar border region. >> >> Best regards, >> Jacob >> >> Artur Karp via INDOLOGY skrev den 2019-02-05 23:25: >>> Dear Discutants, >>> >>> see: >>> >>> ????? ?????? - >> ?????????? >>> >>> https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/?????_?????? >> [1] >>> ????? ?????? ?? >>> ?????????? ?????? (Woodblock >>> printing), ?????? ??? ???? ?? >>> ????? ?? ?????? ????? ?? >>> ???? ?? ?? ????? ??? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Artur Karp >>> >>> wt., 5 lut 2019 o 22:49 Artur Karp napisa?(a): >>> >>>> I'd rather go for CDIAL 3120 k?s??h?- 'piece of wood'. >>>> >>>> Block of wood, serving as a stamp - used for printing on fabrics >>>> the symbolic signs of Marvar? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Artur Karp >>>> >>>> wt., 5 lut 2019 o 21:32 Lubom?r Ondra?ka via INDOLOGY >>>> napisa?(a): >>>> >>>>> Dear Rich, >>>>> >>>>> I was also considering this possibility, but the problem is >> that, >>>>> as far as I know, in Bengali this word is never used with >>>>> retroflex '?ha', in standard Bengali it is always k??th? >>>>> (and in Hindi it is also not retroflexed: ka?th?), coming, as >>>>> you say, from Sanskrit kanth?. >>>>> >>>>> Even various Middle Bengali forms (keth?, ky??th?, >>>>> ky??t?, kh??t?, ky?th?, k?nth?, etc.) are never >>>>> retroflexed. But I do not know phonological rules of Marwari or >>>>> Rajasthani, perhaps this change is possible. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Lubomir >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 11:59:24 -0800 >>>>> "Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The word k??h? (with first syllable nasalized, I think) is >>>>> used in Bengal >>>>>> (Bangla Desh; also West Bengal?) to refer to cloths with >>>>> embroidered >>>>>> narrative scenes. The work is presumably derived from Skt. >>>>> kanthaa "rag, >>>>>> patched garment" (MW; cf. CDIAL #2721, not citing the Bangla; >>>>> also KEWA >>>>>> I.151-2, comparing Lat. centoo "Flickwerk"). >>>>>> >>>>>> Rich Salomon >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:40 AM Jacob Schmidt-Madsen via >> INDOLOGY >>>>> < >>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear colleagues, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am encountering the expression "m?rv?? k??h?" >>>>> (sometimes rendered as >>>>>>> "m?rv?? (k??h?)") in the colophons of a group of >>>>> Rajasthani cloth >>>>>>> paintings (dated 17-19th century, but probably modern >>>>> forgeries). I >>>>>>> suppose that the meaning is something along the lines of "the >>>>> region of >>>>>>> Marwar," but the only definitions of k??h? I have been >>>>> able to find are >>>>>>> "a measure of length" and "a measure of land of 320 square >>>>> cubits." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The situation is slightly complicated by a colophon which >>>>> reads "ma?h >>>>>>> h?ra? mulk m?rv?? k??h?," indicating Saran Math in >>>>> the region (mulk) of >>>>>>> Marwar. Should k??h? be understood as synonymous with >>>>> mulk, or do they >>>>>>> express separate definitions of territory? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any help would be much appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Jacob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacob Schmidt-Madsen >>>>>>> PhD Fellow >>>>>>> University of Copenhagen >>>>>>> Denmark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's >>>>> managing >>>>>>> committee) >>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>> options or >>>>>>> unsubscribe) >>>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's >> managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >> options >>> or unsubscribe) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >> options or unsubscribe) > > > Links: > ------ > [1] > https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%89%E0%A4%95_%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are delighted to welcome Ayesha Irani, Assistant Professor of Asian Studies at University of Massachusetts-Boston, as our keynote for the conference. We encourage single-paper proposals as well as panel submissions from graduate students working on South Asian traditions including, but not limited to, Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism. We invite submissions from graduate students engaged in original research in disciplines including religious studies, women and gender studies, philosophy, anthropology, history, linguistics, sociology, area or diasporic studies, political science, and geography. Please submit a 300-word abstract, 5 keywords describing your proposal, and a CV to: southasianreligionsatutoronto at gmail.com by April 15th, 2019. Decisions will be communicated by May 15th, 2019. 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I had goosebumps for having the opportnity of being able to directly be present at the occasion that can make any Indian or Sanskrit lover proud fior the achievements of young women of this generation in the field. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:58 AM Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > Please visit the video link: > > https://twitter.com/shrinikethan/status/1081549298607710208?s=19 > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. 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" was organised. It was an all women session. A few women Sanskrit scholars spoke autobiographically about their own personal journey into and through this field. They highlighted how it is more women than men most Sanskrit universities and departments. They spoke about the encouragement they received from the teachers, family members and society. https://youtu.be/jVq7OjL3Oz4 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With best wishes, Eli -- Prof. Dr. Eli Franco Institut f?r Indologie und Zentralasienwissenschaften Schillerstr. 6 04109 Leipzig Ph. +49 341 9737 121, 9737 120 (dept. office) Fax +49 341 9737 148 From jb92 at soas.ac.uk Sun Feb 10 16:35:17 2019 From: jb92 at soas.ac.uk (Jason Birch) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 19 22:05:17 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sivananda's Yoga Asanas 1st and 2nd Editions Message-ID: <089B8CF3-6403-4778-AE37-5E2BD3602543@soas.ac.uk> Dear Colleagues, Does anyone have the first and second editions of the book Yoga Asanas (illustrated) by Sri Swami Sivananda Saraswati (of Rishikesh), published in 1934 and 1935 respectively? I am only interested in these two editions. Thanks in advance. Yours, with best wishes, Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < > krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >> >> You can download from here. >> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >> >> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier >> wrote: >> >>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>> >>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some "alternates" >>>> or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or auto-select) to >>>> select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you know this. And >>>> it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX that allow one to >>>> access such features easily (e.g., through fontspec >>>> , manual part IV). >>>> >>> >>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to create >>> open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, 1971 >>>> rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. >>>> >>> >>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its been >>> 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely fascinating. >>> As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing from the >>> earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>> author. 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On Sun 10 Feb, 2019, 2:00 PM Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY, < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > For those who may be interested in it > Mahila vakyartha sadas was held during international conference on > dispassionate Churning of indology in Udupi on 5.1.19. > participants names > > Ragini Sharma Vyakarana bhopal > Shveranandini Maitreyi gurukula > Shruti Maitreyi gurukula > Dr Chandrakala kondi sringeri alankara > Mridula Ashwin vyakarana > Sangeeta Ramesh Bengaluru nyaya > > President > Vijayalaskhmi Bhat (wife of Mahabaleshvara Bhat, recipient of rashtrapati > award) > > Final report will be published soon > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Nagaraj Paturi > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019, 10:20 > Subject: {???????????????????} Re: Mahila Vakyartha sadas > To: Bharatiya Vidvat parishad > > > Direct youtube links of this all women vaakyaarthasadas are available. > > I had goosebumps for having the opportnity of being able to directly be > present at the occasion that can make any Indian or Sanskrit lover proud > fior the achievements of young women of this generation in the field. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:58 AM Nagaraj Paturi > wrote: > >> Please visit the video link: >> >> https://twitter.com/shrinikethan/status/1081549298607710208?s=19 >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > Director, Inter-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is that because female participants ? > > On Sun 10 Feb, 2019, 2:00 PM Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY, < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> For those who may be interested in it >> Mahila vakyartha sadas was held during international conference on >> dispassionate Churning of indology in Udupi on 5.1.19. >> participants names >> >> Ragini Sharma Vyakarana bhopal >> Shveranandini Maitreyi gurukula >> Shruti Maitreyi gurukula >> Dr Chandrakala kondi sringeri alankara >> Mridula Ashwin vyakarana >> Sangeeta Ramesh Bengaluru nyaya >> >> President >> Vijayalaskhmi Bhat (wife of Mahabaleshvara Bhat, recipient of rashtrapati >> award) >> >> Final report will be published soon >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Nagaraj Paturi >> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019, 10:20 >> Subject: {???????????????????} Re: Mahila Vakyartha sadas >> To: Bharatiya Vidvat parishad >> >> >> Direct youtube links of this all women vaakyaarthasadas are available. >> >> I had goosebumps for having the opportnity of being able to directly be >> present at the occasion that can make any Indian or Sanskrit lover proud >> fior the achievements of young women of this generation in the field. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:58 AM Nagaraj Paturi >> wrote: >> >>> Please visit the video link: >>> >>> https://twitter.com/shrinikethan/status/1081549298607710208?s=19 >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> Director, Inter-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "???????????????????" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is that because female participants ? >> >> On Sun 10 Feb, 2019, 2:00 PM Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY, < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> For those who may be interested in it >>> Mahila vakyartha sadas was held during international conference on >>> dispassionate Churning of indology in Udupi on 5.1.19. >>> participants names >>> >>> Ragini Sharma Vyakarana bhopal >>> Shveranandini Maitreyi gurukula >>> Shruti Maitreyi gurukula >>> Dr Chandrakala kondi sringeri alankara >>> Mridula Ashwin vyakarana >>> Sangeeta Ramesh Bengaluru nyaya >>> >>> President >>> Vijayalaskhmi Bhat (wife of Mahabaleshvara Bhat, recipient of >>> rashtrapati award) >>> >>> Final report will be published soon >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: Nagaraj Paturi >>> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019, 10:20 >>> Subject: {???????????????????} Re: Mahila Vakyartha sadas >>> To: Bharatiya Vidvat parishad >>> >>> >>> Direct youtube links of this all women vaakyaarthasadas are available. >>> >>> I had goosebumps for having the opportnity of being able to directly be >>> present at the occasion that can make any Indian or Sanskrit lover proud >>> fior the achievements of young women of this generation in the field. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:58 AM Nagaraj Paturi >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Please visit the video link: >>>> >>>> https://twitter.com/shrinikethan/status/1081549298607710208?s=19 >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nagaraj Paturi >>> >>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>> >>> >>> Director, Inter-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. >>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>> >>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>> >>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>> >>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>> >>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "???????????????????" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is that because female participants ? >> >> On Sun 10 Feb, 2019, 2:00 PM Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY, < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> For those who may be interested in it >>> Mahila vakyartha sadas was held during international conference on >>> dispassionate Churning of indology in Udupi on 5.1.19. >>> participants names >>> >>> Ragini Sharma Vyakarana bhopal >>> Shveranandini Maitreyi gurukula >>> Shruti Maitreyi gurukula >>> Dr Chandrakala kondi sringeri alankara >>> Mridula Ashwin vyakarana >>> Sangeeta Ramesh Bengaluru nyaya >>> >>> President >>> Vijayalaskhmi Bhat (wife of Mahabaleshvara Bhat, recipient of >>> rashtrapati award) >>> >>> Final report will be published soon >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: Nagaraj Paturi >>> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019, 10:20 >>> Subject: {???????????????????} Re: Mahila Vakyartha sadas >>> To: Bharatiya Vidvat parishad >>> >>> >>> Direct youtube links of this all women vaakyaarthasadas are available. >>> >>> I had goosebumps for having the opportnity of being able to directly be >>> present at the occasion that can make any Indian or Sanskrit lover proud >>> fior the achievements of young women of this generation in the field. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:58 AM Nagaraj Paturi >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Please visit the video link: >>>> >>>> https://twitter.com/shrinikethan/status/1081549298607710208?s=19 >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nagaraj Paturi >>> >>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>> >>> >>> Director, Inter-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. >>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>> >>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>> >>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>> >>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>> >>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "???????????????????" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it comes to S'aastra knowledge among women , if Vasa's depiction is considered to reflect social reality, S'akuntala's depiction in quoting s'aastras in verses such as ?????????? ?????????????????? ??????? ???? | ???????????? ??? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ||??||??? 63 shows s'aastra knowledge among women. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:55 AM Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > Goosebumps of this kind are explained through abhivyaktivaada. > > When what you watch resonates with your vaasanas / sanskaaras this happens > as per that explanation. > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 10:53 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info wrote: > >> Sorry for the incomplete mail! And that reply seems misleading. >> I meant , in the ancient days females were not supposed to learn Sanskrit >> and now this century we have female participants so you had goosebumps? >> >> On Mon 11 Feb, 2019, 10:04 AM Krishnaprasad G, < >> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ?????? ?????? wrote >>> I had goosebumps >>> I wonder what would be the reason. Is that because female participants ? >>> >>> On Sun 10 Feb, 2019, 2:00 PM Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY, < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> For those who may be interested in it >>>> Mahila vakyartha sadas was held during international conference on >>>> dispassionate Churning of indology in Udupi on 5.1.19. >>>> participants names >>>> >>>> Ragini Sharma Vyakarana bhopal >>>> Shveranandini Maitreyi gurukula >>>> Shruti Maitreyi gurukula >>>> Dr Chandrakala kondi sringeri alankara >>>> Mridula Ashwin vyakarana >>>> Sangeeta Ramesh Bengaluru nyaya >>>> >>>> President >>>> Vijayalaskhmi Bhat (wife of Mahabaleshvara Bhat, recipient of >>>> rashtrapati award) >>>> >>>> Final report will be published soon >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Nagaraj Paturi >>>> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019, 10:20 >>>> Subject: {???????????????????} Re: Mahila Vakyartha sadas >>>> To: Bharatiya Vidvat parishad >>>> >>>> >>>> Direct youtube links of this all women vaakyaarthasadas are available. >>>> >>>> I had goosebumps for having the opportnity of being able to directly be >>>> present at the occasion that can make any Indian or Sanskrit lover proud >>>> fior the achievements of young women of this generation in the field. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:58 AM Nagaraj Paturi >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please visit the video link: >>>>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/shrinikethan/status/1081549298607710208?s=19 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nagaraj Paturi >>>> >>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>>> >>>> >>>> Director, Inter-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. >>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>>> >>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>>> >>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>>> >>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>>> >>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "???????????????????" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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And that reply seems misleading. > I meant , in the ancient days females were not supposed to learn Sanskrit and now this century we have female participants so you had goosebumps? > > On Mon 11 Feb, 2019, 10:04 AM Krishnaprasad G, > wrote: > ?????? ?????? wrote > I had goosebumps > I wonder what would be the reason. Is that because female participants ? > > On Sun 10 Feb, 2019, 2:00 PM Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY, > wrote: > For those who may be interested in it > Mahila vakyartha sadas was held during international conference on dispassionate Churning of indology in Udupi on 5.1.19. > participants names > > Ragini Sharma Vyakarana bhopal > Shveranandini Maitreyi gurukula > Shruti Maitreyi gurukula > Dr Chandrakala kondi sringeri alankara > Mridula Ashwin vyakarana > Sangeeta Ramesh Bengaluru nyaya > > President > Vijayalaskhmi Bhat (wife of Mahabaleshvara Bhat, recipient of rashtrapati award) > > Final report will be published soon > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Nagaraj Paturi > > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019, 10:20 > Subject: {???????????????????} Re: Mahila Vakyartha sadas > To: Bharatiya Vidvat parishad > > > > Direct youtube links of this all women vaakyaarthasadas are available. > > I had goosebumps for having the opportnity of being able to directly be present at the occasion that can make any Indian or Sanskrit lover proud fior the achievements of young women of this generation in the field. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:58 AM Nagaraj Paturi > wrote: > Please visit the video link: > > https://twitter.com/shrinikethan/status/1081549298607710208?s=19 > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > Director, Inter-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jemhouben at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 05:23:21 2019 From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 19 06:23:21 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice balance of regular pathy? anu??hubh ?lokas and rare permitted deviations: here (648) the na-vipul? in a and c give it a 'magic' touch; followed by the next verse (649) with bha-vipul? in c: ???? ?????? ??????????: ??????????????? ?? ???? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????: ????? ???: ??????? The fire of Krishna burns in my heart, but the moon of Krishna also shines in my heart. Krishna calms my heart suffering for Krishna with his own hands. As for karai? in 649c, as it is intended as 'hands', apparently of the personal Krishna, a strict application of P??ini (AA 1.4.22 dvyekayor dvivacanaikavacane) would inevitably lead to the form kar?bhy?m, which, however, would give a hypermetric p?da of 9 syllables, and hence a conflict with the principle api m??a? ma?a? kury?t chandobha?ga? na k?rayet, which, although it is not P??ini, is rather strictly followed in classical poetry. Since taptam corresponds to the fire in p?da a, one could have a p?da d corresponding more explicitly with the moon in p?da b: Krishna brings peace through the beams of the moon, the Soma-beams: a??ubhi?, which, as '??ubhi?, would fit the metre perfectly. An objection could then nevertheless be that this gives an undesirable mixture of styles: everywhere expressions that are beautiful because of their simplicity, and here suddenly a 'learned' expression a??ubhi? as moon- or Soma-beams. At the end, we can, then, leave the verse as created by the Poet as it is, and only change the translation: instead of "with his own hands" the translation of karai? should be "with is own 'hands', i.e. moon-rays": the plural itself indicates that kara stands not for 'hands' but for the rays, in this case of the moon in p?da b. Best, Jan a??ubhi? On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 at 15:03, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Continuing my Krishna verses > > ????? ???? ????????: ??? ?????? ?? ??: ? > ????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? > O Krishna, skilled in magic you always attract my mind. This joyless world > becomes delightful because of your magic. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Houben wrote: > Nice balance of regular pathy? anu??hubh ?lokas and rare permitted > deviations: > here (648) the na-vipul? in a and c give it a 'magic' touch; > followed by the next verse (649) with bha-vipul? in c: > ???? ?????? ??????????: ??????????????? ?? ???? ? > ??????? ????? ????? ?????: ????? ???: ??????? > The fire of Krishna burns in my heart, but the moon of Krishna also shines > in my heart. > Krishna calms my heart suffering for Krishna with his own hands. > As for karai? in 649c, as it is intended as 'hands', apparently of the > personal Krishna, a strict application of P??ini (AA 1.4.22 dvyekayor > dvivacanaikavacane) would inevitably lead to the form kar?bhy?m, which, > however, would give a hypermetric p?da of 9 syllables, and hence a conflict > with the principle api m??a? ma?a? kury?t chandobha?ga? na k?rayet, which, > although it is not P??ini, is rather strictly followed in classical poetry. > Since taptam corresponds to the fire in p?da a, one could have a p?da d > corresponding more explicitly with the moon in p?da b: Krishna brings peace > through the beams of the moon, the Soma-beams: a??ubhi?, which, as > '??ubhi?, would fit the metre perfectly. An objection could then > nevertheless be that this gives an undesirable mixture of styles: > everywhere expressions that are beautiful because of their simplicity, and > here suddenly a 'learned' expression a??ubhi? as moon- or Soma-beams. At > the end, we can, then, leave the verse as created by the Poet as it is, and > only change the translation: instead of "with his own hands" the > translation of karai? should be "with is own 'hands', i.e. moon-rays": the > plural itself indicates that kara stands not for 'hands' but for the rays, > in this case of the moon in p?da b. > Best, Jan > > > a??ubhi? > > > > > On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 at 15:03, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Continuing my Krishna verses >> >> ????? ???? ????????: ??? ?????? ?? ??: ? >> ????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? >> O Krishna, skilled in magic you always attract my mind. This joyless >> world becomes delightful because of your magic. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > -- > > *Jan E.M. Houben* > > Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology > > *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* > > ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) > > *Sciences historiques et philologiques * > > 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris > > *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * > > *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * > > *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben > * > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ramakrishnamacharyulu*, Collection Indologie n? 139; Shree Somnath Sanskrit University Shastra Grantha series n? 5, Institut Fran?ais de Pondich?ry / Shree Somnath Sanskrit University, Veraval, Gujarat / Ecole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient, 2019, [10], xxviii, 598 p. Language: Sanskrit. *1400 Rs (60 ?). *ISBN: 978-81-8470-230-9 (IFP) / 978-93-83097-33-3 (SSSU) / 978-2-85539-234-9 (EFEO) *For more details, see: *https://www.ifpindia.org/node/13707 Thank you, With best wishes, Library, IFP -- Ms. Anurupa Naik Head, Library and Publication Division French Institute of Pondicherry (IFP) UMIFRE 21 CNRS-MAEE P.B. 33 11, St. Louis Street Pondicherry-605 001, INDIA Tel: 91-413-2231660 Fax: 91-413-2231605 e-mail:anurupa.n at ifpindia.org website:www.ifpindia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Alf On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 2:43 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Replies direct to the sender, please > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Secretary Bori India > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 07:15 > Subject: Announcement to be uploaded > > > -- > Honorary Secretary > Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute > 812, Shivaji Nagar, Chiplunkar Road, > Near ILS Law College, Pune 411004 (India) > Phone: +91-20-25656932 > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Alf Hiltebeitel Professor of Religion, History and Human Sciences Department of Religion George Washington University 2106 G Street, NW Washington DC, 20052 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paris: ?ditions de Bocard. > > Thanks, > Alf > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 2:43 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > Replies direct to the sender, please > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Secretary Bori India > > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 07:15 > Subject: Announcement to be uploaded > > > -- > Honorary Secretary > Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute > 812, Shivaji Nagar, Chiplunkar Road, > Near ILS Law College, Pune 411004 (India) > Phone: +91-20-25656932 > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > -- > Alf Hiltebeitel > Professor of Religion, History and Human Sciences > Department of Religion > George Washington University > 2106 G Street, NW > Washington DC, 20052 > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Elliot M. 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Many thanks, Antonia -- Dr Antonia Ruppel FRAS Postdoctoral Researcher, 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax' Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics University of Oxford Author, 'The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit' cambridge(hyphen)sanskrit(dot)org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: indisch_sapta1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 563345 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: indisch_sapta2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 519927 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Feb 13 14:15:45 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 19 06:15:45 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????? ????? ??????? ????? ??????? ?????: ? ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? 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Statistics suggests that more than 60% female students are studying and same no of women are enjoying faculty position in some states like Maharashtra, Kerala, and WestBengal. Two among these five women do not belong to so called upper cast (as they narrate). They are speaking in Sanskrit fluently. They are encouraged to study Veda, Shastras along with others. No discrimination is experienced. This is the REAL story of Sanskrit. https://youtu.be/jVq7OjL3Oz4 Interestingly NO response/feedback/discussion is initiated. Other part of the continued story is the Mahila Vakyartha Goshthi. The exposition of Shastrarthas by these young women was astonishing. You will really wonder to experience the quality of presentation of ideas without any error or confusion at any point. The clarity and exhibition of confidence are beyond words. These are ?unheard voices? in real sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc I appreciate the response from scholarly fraternity on these events. Warm regards, Shrinivasa Varakhedi > On 10-Feb-2019, at 2:02 PM, Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY wrote: > > For those who may be interested in it. please > > Kasya samkritam participants > Shruti > Shivani > Shantala Vishvas > Sharada Narayan > Ragini Sharma > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Nagaraj Paturi > > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019, 10:48 > Subject: {???????????????????} " Story of my Sanskrit" at BVP conference > To: ??????????????????? > > > > > On the day three of the BVP conference at Udupi , a session with the theme " Whose Sanskrit is it anyway? " was organised. It was an all women session. A few women Sanskrit scholars spoke autobiographically about their own personal journey into and through this field. > > They highlighted how it is more women than men most Sanskrit universities and departments. > > They spoke about the encouragement they received from the teachers, family members and society. > > > https://youtu.be/jVq7OjL3Oz4 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is no money in it, just their gratitude and the knowledge you have done something to facilitate the dissemination of knowledge. I have attached jpgs of two of the pages in question, but am not sure whether they will make it onto the List. If you are willing to help, please get in touch and I will email you the rest. Many thanks, Antonia -- Dr Antonia Ruppel FRAS Postdoctoral Researcher, 'Uncovering Sanskrit Syntax' Department of Linguistics, Philology and Phonetics University of Oxford Author, 'The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit' cambridge(hyphen)sanskrit(dot)org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 02:54:42 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 19 19:54:42 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Various Font's comparison with Vani Vilas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I *really* like the Vani Vilas font. It has the little tiny inter-aksara spaces in the matra line. And look at the word durlabha ?????? near the end of the passage: Vani Vilas is the only one that manages that rl+bha elegantly. It's stunning. I'm normally unwavering about my preference for Sanskrit 2003, but Vani Vilas may be taking the throne. Does it support complex conjuncts, k?rtsnya, ?a?tri??at, prasanna, ?akti, etc.? -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 21:11, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all > Please find the attachment with various font's comparison newly developed > Vani Vilas font bold font. > > Regards > KP > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 03:24:47 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 19 08:54:47 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Various Font's comparison with Vani Vilas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Dominik Wujastyk Thank you very much for the feedback. Please find the attached PDF, still the fonts are not complete, we will work on the conjuncts you mentioned, please give further suggestions to select the conjunct letters from the following, I am much obliged for your suggestions and highly admired. Thanks KP [image: image.png] On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:24 AM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > I *really* like the Vani Vilas font. It has the little tiny inter-aksara > spaces in the matra line. And look at the word durlabha ?????? near the > end of the passage: Vani Vilas is the only one that manages that rl+bha > elegantly. It's stunning. I'm normally unwavering about my preference for > Sanskrit 2003, but Vani Vilas may be taking the throne. Does it support > complex conjuncts, k?rtsnya, ?a?tri??at, prasanna, ?akti, etc.? > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 21:11, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear all >> Please find the attachment with various font's comparison newly developed >> Vani Vilas font bold font. >> >> Regards >> KP >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 20:24, Krishnaprasad G wrote: > Dear Dominik Wujastyk > Thank you very much for the feedback. > Please find the attached PDF, still the fonts are not complete, we will > work on the conjuncts you mentioned, please give further suggestions to > select the conjunct letters from the following, I am much obliged for your > suggestions and highly admired. > Thanks > KP > [image: image.png] > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:24 AM Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: > >> I *really* like the Vani Vilas font. It has the little tiny inter-aksara >> spaces in the matra line. And look at the word durlabha ?????? near the >> end of the passage: Vani Vilas is the only one that manages that rl+bha >> elegantly. It's stunning. I'm normally unwavering about my preference for >> Sanskrit 2003, but Vani Vilas may be taking the throne. Does it support >> complex conjuncts, k?rtsnya, ?a?tri??at, prasanna, ?akti, etc.? >> >> -- >> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >> , >> >> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >> , >> >> Department of History and Classics >> >> , >> University of Alberta, Canada >> . >> >> South Asia at the U of A: >> >> sas.ualberta.ca >> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 21:11, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear all >>> Please find the attachment with various font's comparison newly >>> developed Vani Vilas font bold font. >>> >>> Regards >>> KP >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 7:36 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Looks very good to me. I imagine you'll work on ?a?tri- But everything > else looks really nice. > > I used to have a document - from decades ago - that surveyed *all* the > sandhyak?aras ever used in printing. I'll try to find it. > > Best, > Dominik > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 20:24, Krishnaprasad G > wrote: > >> Dear Dominik Wujastyk >> Thank you very much for the feedback. >> Please find the attached PDF, still the fonts are not complete, we will >> work on the conjuncts you mentioned, please give further suggestions to >> select the conjunct letters from the following, I am much obliged for your >> suggestions and highly admired. >> Thanks >> KP >> [image: image.png] >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:24 AM Dominik Wujastyk >> wrote: >> >>> I *really* like the Vani Vilas font. It has the little tiny >>> inter-aksara spaces in the matra line. And look at the word durlabha >>> ?????? near the end of the passage: Vani Vilas is the only one that manages >>> that rl+bha elegantly. It's stunning. I'm normally unwavering about my >>> preference for Sanskrit 2003, but Vani Vilas may be taking the throne. >>> Does it support complex conjuncts, k?rtsnya, ?a?tri??at, prasanna, ?akti, >>> etc.? >>> >>> -- >>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >>> >>> , >>> >>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >>> , >>> >>> Department of History and Classics >>> >>> , >>> University of Alberta, Canada >>> . >>> >>> South Asia at the U of A: >>> >>> sas.ualberta.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 21:11, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all >>>> Please find the attachment with various font's comparison newly >>>> developed Vani Vilas font bold font. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> KP >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ricercatore a tempo determinato Universit? di Bologna Dipartimento Storia Culture Civilt? via Zamboni 33 - 40126 Bologna marco.franceschini3 at unibo.it www.unibo.it/sitoweb/marco.franceschini3 www.associazioneitalianadistudisanscriti.org --- > Il giorno 14 feb 2019, alle ore 07:22, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY ha scritto: > > Dear colleagues, > > Does anyhow know a modern scholarly publication of a Sanskrit inscription older than the one that can be found here in the following? > > John Crawfurd, An Inscription from the Kawi or Ancient Javanese Language, Verhandelingen van het Bataviaasch Genootschap der Kunsten en Wetenschappen 8, 1816, Batavia: Government Press. > > The volume of the Verhandelingen in question can be found on archive.org . The title is misleading, and the decipherment utterly unreliable, but the transcription clearly reflects the Sanskrit-text of the 'Calcutta Stone' (https://iias.asia/the-newsletter/article/kolkata-calcutta-stone-bicentennial-british-interregnum-java-1811-1816 ). It occurred to me recently that this publication might mark the beginning of Sanskrit epigraphy as a modern scholarly enterprise. But perhaps there is competition from publications by British officers who were posted in India proper rather than in 'Farther India'. Please enlighten me. > > Best wishes, > > Arlo Griffiths > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Arlo, I happen to have an "offprint" from Asiatic Researches Vol. 5 of 1799, pp. 131 ff of an article by a certain Jonathan Duncan, Efq., titled An Account of the Difcovery of Two Urns in the Vicinity of Benares. The text of the article is followed by drawings of the inscriptions. This is volume 5 of Asiatic Researches. I can imagine that in the earlier volumes more can be found. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: donderdag 14 februari 2019 7:22 Aan: INDOLOGY Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Dear colleagues, Does anyhow know a modern scholarly publication of a Sanskrit inscription older than the one that can be found here in the following? John Crawfurd, An Inscription from the Kawi or Ancient Javanese Language, Verhandelingen van het Bataviaasch Genootschap der Kunsten en Wetenschappen 8, 1816, Batavia: Government Press. The volume of the Verhandelingen in question can be found on archive.org. The title is misleading, and the decipherment utterly unreliable, but the transcription clearly reflects the Sanskrit-text of the 'Calcutta Stone' (https://iias.asia/the-newsletter/article/kolkata-calcutta-stone-bicentennial-british-interregnum-java-1811-1816). It occurred to me recently that this publication might mark the beginning of Sanskrit epigraphy as a modern scholarly enterprise. But perhaps there is competition from publications by British officers who were posted in India proper rather than in 'Farther India'. Please enlighten me. Best wishes, Arlo Griffiths -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manufrancis at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 09:19:49 2019 From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 19 10:19:49 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dans le premier num?ro des *Asiatick Researches* (1788), publication de traductions d?inscriptions par Jones, Wilkins (p. 123-130, 131-141). Wilkins, Charles (1788). An Inscription on a Pillar near Buddal. Asiatic Researches 1: 131- 141, with remarks by Sir William Jones pp. 142-4. Yours. Manu Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Online CV HAL Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) Le jeu. 14 f?vr. 2019 ? 09:35, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > Dear Arlo, > I happen to have an "offprint" from Asiatic Researches Vol. 5 of 1799, pp. > 131 ff of an article by a certain Jonathan Duncan, Efq., titled An Account > of the Difcovery of Two Urns in the Vicinity of Benares. The text of the > article is followed by drawings of the inscriptions. This is volume 5 of > Asiatic Researches. I can imagine that in the earlier volumes more can be > found. > Herman > > Herman Tieken > Stationsweg 58 > 2515 BP Den Haag > The Netherlands > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > website: hermantieken.com > ------------------------------ > *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Arlo > Griffiths via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] > *Verzonden:* donderdag 14 februari 2019 7:22 > *Aan:* INDOLOGY > *Onderwerp:* [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? > > Dear colleagues, > > Does anyhow know a modern scholarly publication of a Sanskrit inscription > older than the one that can be found here in the following? > > John Crawfurd, An Inscription from the Kawi or Ancient Javanese Language, > Verhandelingen van het Bataviaasch Genootschap der Kunsten en Wetenschappen > 8, 1816, Batavia: Government Press. > > The volume of the *Verhandelingen* in question can be found on archive.org. > The title is misleading, and the decipherment utterly unreliable, but the > transcription clearly reflects the Sanskrit-text of the 'Calcutta Stone' ( > https://iias.asia/the-newsletter/article/kolkata-calcutta-stone-bicentennial-british-interregnum-java-1811-1816). > It occurred to me recently that this publication might mark the beginning > of Sanskrit epigraphy as a modern scholarly enterprise. But perhaps there > is competition from publications by British officers who were posted in > India proper rather than in 'Farther India'. Please enlighten me. > > Best wishes, > > Arlo Griffiths > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Thu Feb 14 09:45:37 2019 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 19 09:45:37 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0202CB7D-F27F-4DBF-BFEA-C7D4EB39021C@uclouvain.be> Dear Arlo, There is also the publication of the Kerala (Tamil/"Old Malayalam" in vat?t?el?uttu script) copper-plates of the "Privil?ges accord?s aux Juifs" by Anquetil-Duperron, in his ?Discours pr?liminaire? to the Zend-Avesta, t. 1, premi?re partie, 1771, pp. clxix-clxxi (it corresponds to the year 1758 in his journey). https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k933916s/f220.image (= Pl. 1) See the ed. with notes ad loc. by J. Deloche & P.-S. Filliozat, Abraham Hyacynthe Anquetil Duperrron, Voyage en Inde 1754-1762, Paris : EFEO - Maisonneuve & Larose, 1997, pp. 214-216. For an edition and study of these plates, see M.G.S. Narayanan, "The Jewish Copper-Plates of Cochin" in Cultural Symbiosis of Kerala, Trivandrum: Kerala Historical Society, pp. 23-30 and 79-82 = Inscr. A.34 in his ?Index to the Ce?ra inscriptions? (Perum?l?s of Kerala, 2013, pp. 451-452). The French Orientalist, after having furnished a good engraved copy of the Cochin Jewish copper plates, explains in the following pages (pp. clxxi-clxxviii = Deloche & Filliozat, pp. 216-225) that he has searched for a copy of the ?Privile?ges accorde?s aux chre?tiens de Saint-Thomas?. A ?Sanskrit translation?, viz. a copy made in Grantha-Malayalam or ?ryel?uttu script (?ariom? differing from ko?lel?uttu, ?kole ejouttou?, as explained by Duperron) wrongly supposed by Duperron to be in Sanskrit language, but being possibly a (modern) Malayalam rendering of the original Tamil, was provided to him by a local priest and ?certified? by the bishop as being a good and faithful copy of the Quilon copper plates, the original ones being kept within another branch of the St. Thomas Christians. The copy was orally translated in Portuguese by the local priest and put in French by Duperron. This grant is presented as being made of four plates (?quatre olles de cuivre?). The content of the first one corresponds precisely to the content of the Kollam plate I.01 (standard order), the second = II.01, the third = II.02, and the fourth = I.02. Remarkably, this perfectly confirms the order of the plates adopted in the new edition of the Kollam Plates text, see: Em?. A?r. Ra?ghavava?riyar (M.R. Raghava Varier) & Ke?s?avan Vel?utta?t?t? (Kesavan Veluthat), Tarisa?ppal?l?ippat?t?ayam? (caritram?), Kottayam: Sa?hityapravarttaka - Na?s?an?al Bukk St?t?a?l?, 2013 (cf. https://sites.google.com/site/medievalindianocean/home/colour-photographs-of-the-kollam-plates ) = Inscr. A.2 and 6 in M.G.S. Narayanan's ?Index to the Ce?ra inscriptions?. Best wishes, Christophe De: Manu Francis via INDOLOGY > Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Date: 14 f?vrier 2019 ? 10:19:49 UTC+1 ?: INDOLOGY > R?pondre ?: Manu Francis > Dans le premier num?ro des Asiatick Researches (1788), publication de traductions d?inscriptions par Jones, Wilkins (p. 123-130, 131-141). Wilkins, Charles (1788). An Inscription on a Pillar near Buddal. Asiatic Researches 1: 131- 141, with remarks by Sir William Jones pp. 142-4. Yours. Manu Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Online CV HAL Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) De: "Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY" > Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Date: 14 f?vrier 2019 ? 09:34:15 UTC+1 ?: Arlo Griffiths >, INDOLOGY > R?pondre ?: "Tieken, H.J.H." > Dear Arlo, I happen to have an "offprint" from Asiatic Researches Vol. 5 of 1799, pp. 131 ff of an article by a certain Jonathan Duncan, Efq., titled An Account of the Difcovery of Two Urns in the Vicinity of Benares. The text of the article is followed by drawings of the inscriptions. This is volume 5 of Asiatic Researches. I can imagine that in the earlier volumes more can be found. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com Le 14 f?vr. 2019 ? 09:10, Marco Franceschini via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear Arlo, according to Salomon (Indian Epigraphy, 1998, p. 200), ?the first publication of an old Indian inscription was by the "Sanskrit-mad" (Sir) Charles Wilkins? in 1781 (or 1785). Hope this helps, Marco --- Marco Franceschini ??????????? Ricercatore a tempo determinato Universit? di Bologna Dipartimento Storia Culture Civilt? via Zamboni 33 - 40126 Bologna marco.franceschini3 at unibo.it www.unibo.it/sitoweb/marco.franceschini3 www.associazioneitalianadistudisanscriti.org --- Il giorno 14 feb 2019, alle ore 07:22, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY > ha scritto: Dear colleagues, Does anyhow know a modern scholarly publication of a Sanskrit inscription older than the one that can be found here in the following? John Crawfurd, An Inscription from the Kawi or Ancient Javanese Language, Verhandelingen van het Bataviaasch Genootschap der Kunsten en Wetenschappen 8, 1816, Batavia: Government Press. The volume of the Verhandelingen in question can be found on archive.org. The title is misleading, and the decipherment utterly unreliable, but the transcription clearly reflects the Sanskrit-text of the 'Calcutta Stone' (https://iias.asia/the-newsletter/article/kolkata-calcutta-stone-bicentennial-british-interregnum-java-1811-1816). It occurred to me recently that this publication might mark the beginning of Sanskrit epigraphy as a modern scholarly enterprise. But perhaps there is competition from publications by British officers who were posted in India proper rather than in 'Farther India'. Please enlighten me. Best wishes, Arlo Griffiths _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll try to find it. > > Best, > Dominik > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 20:24, Krishnaprasad G > wrote: > >> Dear Dominik Wujastyk >> Thank you very much for the feedback. >> Please find the attached PDF, still the fonts are not complete, we will >> work on the conjuncts you mentioned, please give further suggestions to >> select the conjunct letters from the following, I am much obliged for your >> suggestions and highly admired. >> Thanks >> KP >> [image: image.png] >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:24 AM Dominik Wujastyk >> wrote: >> >>> I *really* like the Vani Vilas font. It has the little tiny >>> inter-aksara spaces in the matra line. And look at the word durlabha >>> ?????? near the end of the passage: Vani Vilas is the only one that manages >>> that rl+bha elegantly. It's stunning. I'm normally unwavering about my >>> preference for Sanskrit 2003, but Vani Vilas may be taking the throne. >>> Does it support complex conjuncts, k?rtsnya, ?a?tri??at, prasanna, ?akti, >>> etc.? >>> >>> -- >>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >>> >>> , >>> >>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >>> , >>> >>> Department of History and Classics >>> >>> , >>> University of Alberta, Canada >>> . >>> >>> South Asia at the U of A: >>> >>> sas.ualberta.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 21:11, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all >>>> Please find the attachment with various font's comparison newly >>>> developed Vani Vilas font bold font. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> KP >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 09:58:52 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 19 15:28:52 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Various Font's comparison with Vani Vilas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Prof Madhav Deshpande Ji Thanks a lot for the feedback. Yes, we will work for the conjuncts to make it similar to Nirnaya Sagara, and also could you please give an idea about the specific conjunct that you are thinking good. Very valuable information about the MSS, luckily we can retain both types, that is ??????????? and ta going under. Could please send the image of the letter from MSS if it is not too hassle for you. One more thing is we are trying to make both versions, that is with gaps between characters and without gaps. Thanks KP On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:24 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > Both Vani Vilas and Nirnaya Sagara fonts look good, the conjuncts > look better in the Nirnaya Sagara font, but you can design them in the Vani > Vilas as well. Great work. About the conjuncts in Dominik's ?a?tri??at, I > wonder what is the practice in the manuscripts. I don't remember seeing a > conjunct where ? or ??? hangs below ?. In this case, perhaps writing > ??????????? may be closer to the practice of the manuscripts. This needs > to be checked, perhaps in the manuscripts of the > ?a?tri??at-tattva-sandoha. With best wishes, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 7:36 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Looks very good to me. I imagine you'll work on ?a?tri- But everything >> else looks really nice. >> >> I used to have a document - from decades ago - that surveyed *all* the >> sandhyak?aras ever used in printing. I'll try to find it. >> >> Best, >> Dominik >> >> -- >> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >> , >> >> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >> , >> >> Department of History and Classics >> >> , >> University of Alberta, Canada >> . >> >> South Asia at the U of A: >> >> sas.ualberta.ca >> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 20:24, Krishnaprasad G < >> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Dominik Wujastyk >>> Thank you very much for the feedback. >>> Please find the attached PDF, still the fonts are not complete, we will >>> work on the conjuncts you mentioned, please give further suggestions to >>> select the conjunct letters from the following, I am much obliged for your >>> suggestions and highly admired. >>> Thanks >>> KP >>> [image: image.png] >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 8:24 AM Dominik Wujastyk >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I *really* like the Vani Vilas font. It has the little tiny >>>> inter-aksara spaces in the matra line. And look at the word durlabha >>>> ?????? near the end of the passage: Vani Vilas is the only one that manages >>>> that rl+bha elegantly. It's stunning. I'm normally unwavering about my >>>> preference for Sanskrit 2003, but Vani Vilas may be taking the throne. >>>> Does it support complex conjuncts, k?rtsnya, ?a?tri??at, prasanna, ?akti, >>>> etc.? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >>>> >>>> , >>>> >>>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >>>> , >>>> >>>> Department of History and Classics >>>> >>>> , >>>> University of Alberta, Canada >>>> . >>>> >>>> South Asia at the U of A: >>>> >>>> sas.ualberta.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 21:11, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all >>>>> Please find the attachment with various font's comparison newly >>>>> developed Vani Vilas font bold font. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> KP >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>>> or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Thu Feb 14 14:08:13 2019 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 19 14:08:13 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: first Sanskrit inscription ever published? In-Reply-To: <0202CB7D-F27F-4DBF-BFEA-C7D4EB39021C@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: Note that Anquetil-Duperron (1771) also reproduces fragments of the Kanheri inscriptions on his Plate IV (between pp. cccxciv and v), here: https://archive.org/details/ouvragedezoroastre01anqu/page/n447 (no view in the Gallica scan, and broken image of the plate in the scans https://books.google.com/books?id=5QCgAAAAMAAJ or https://books.google.com/books?id=2iAVAAAAQAAJ ) with a commentary on the script (cf. p. cccxcv). See Deloche & Filliozat, p. 404 fn. 1, for a concordance of these fragments with B?hler's ed. (in Burgess' Report on the Elura Cave-Temples, ASWI vol. 5, 1883). D?but du message r?exp?di? : De: Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Date: 14 f?vrier 2019 ? 10:45:37 UTC+1 ?: Arlo Griffiths Cc: INDOLOGY R?pondre ?: Christophe Vielle Dear Arlo, There is also the publication of the Kerala (Tamil/"Old Malayalam" in vat?t?el?uttu script) copper-plates of the "Privil?ges accord?s aux Juifs" by Anquetil-Duperron, in his ?Discours pr?liminaire? to the Zend-Avesta, t. 1, premi?re partie, 1771, pp. clxix-clxxi (it corresponds to the year 1758 in his journey). https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k933916s/f220.image (= Pl. 1) See the ed. with notes ad loc. by J. Deloche & P.-S. Filliozat, Abraham Hyacynthe Anquetil Duperrron, Voyage en Inde 1754-1762, Paris : EFEO - Maisonneuve & Larose, 1997, pp. 214-216. For an edition and study of these plates, see M.G.S. Narayanan, "The Jewish Copper-Plates of Cochin" in Cultural Symbiosis of Kerala, Trivandrum: Kerala Historical Society, pp. 23-30 and 79-82 = Inscr. A.34 in his ?Index to the Ce?ra inscriptions? (Perum?l?s of Kerala, 2013, pp. 451-452). The French Orientalist, after having furnished a good engraved copy of the Cochin Jewish copper plates, explains in the following pages (pp. clxxi-clxxviii = Deloche & Filliozat, pp. 216-225) that he has searched for a copy of the ?Privile?ges accorde?s aux chre?tiens de Saint-Thomas?. A ?Sanskrit translation?, viz. a copy made in Grantha-Malayalam or ?ryel?uttu script (?ariom? differing from ko?lel?uttu, ?kole ejouttou?, as explained by Duperron) wrongly supposed by Duperron to be in Sanskrit language, but being possibly a (modern) Malayalam rendering of the original Tamil, was provided to him by a local priest and ?certified? by the bishop as being a good and faithful copy of the Quilon copper plates, the original ones being kept within another branch of the St. Thomas Christians. The copy was orally translated in Portuguese by the local priest and put in French by Duperron. This grant is presented as being made of four plates (?quatre olles de cuivre?). The content of the first one corresponds precisely to the content of the Kollam plate I.01 (standard order), the second = II.01, the third = II.02, and the fourth = I.02. Remarkably, this perfectly confirms the order of the plates adopted in the new edition of the Kollam Plates text, see: Em?. A?r. Ra?ghavava?riyar (M.R. Raghava Varier) & Ke?s?avan Vel?utta?t?t? (Kesavan Veluthat), Tarisa?ppal?l?ippat?t?ayam? (caritram?), Kottayam: Sa?hityapravarttaka - Na?s?an?al Bukk St?t?a?l?, 2013 (cf. https://sites.google.com/site/medievalindianocean/home/colour-photographs-of-the-kollam-plates ) = Inscr. A.2 and 6 in M.G.S. Narayanan's ?Index to the Ce?ra inscriptions?. Best wishes, Christophe De: Manu Francis via INDOLOGY > Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Date: 14 f?vrier 2019 ? 10:19:49 UTC+1 ?: INDOLOGY > R?pondre ?: Manu Francis > Dans le premier num?ro des Asiatick Researches (1788), publication de traductions d?inscriptions par Jones, Wilkins (p. 123-130, 131-141). Wilkins, Charles (1788). An Inscription on a Pillar near Buddal. Asiatic Researches 1: 131- 141, with remarks by Sir William Jones pp. 142-4. Yours. Manu Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Online CV HAL Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) De: "Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY" > Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Date: 14 f?vrier 2019 ? 09:34:15 UTC+1 ?: Arlo Griffiths >, INDOLOGY > R?pondre ?: "Tieken, H.J.H." > Dear Arlo, I happen to have an "offprint" from Asiatic Researches Vol. 5 of 1799, pp. 131 ff of an article by a certain Jonathan Duncan, Efq., titled An Account of the Difcovery of Two Urns in the Vicinity of Benares. The text of the article is followed by drawings of the inscriptions. This is volume 5 of Asiatic Researches. I can imagine that in the earlier volumes more can be found. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com Le 14 f?vr. 2019 ? 09:10, Marco Franceschini via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear Arlo, according to Salomon (Indian Epigraphy, 1998, p. 200), ?the first publication of an old Indian inscription was by the "Sanskrit-mad" (Sir) Charles Wilkins? in 1781 (or 1785). Hope this helps, Marco --- Marco Franceschini ??????????? Ricercatore a tempo determinato Universit? di Bologna Dipartimento Storia Culture Civilt? via Zamboni 33 - 40126 Bologna marco.franceschini3 at unibo.it www.unibo.it/sitoweb/marco.franceschini3 www.associazioneitalianadistudisanscriti.org --- Il giorno 14 feb 2019, alle ore 07:22, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY > ha scritto: Dear colleagues, Does anyhow know a modern scholarly publication of a Sanskrit inscription older than the one that can be found here in the following? John Crawfurd, An Inscription from the Kawi or Ancient Javanese Language, Verhandelingen van het Bataviaasch Genootschap der Kunsten en Wetenschappen 8, 1816, Batavia: Government Press. The volume of the Verhandelingen in question can be found on archive.org. The title is misleading, and the decipherment utterly unreliable, but the transcription clearly reflects the Sanskrit-text of the 'Calcutta Stone' (https://iias.asia/the-newsletter/article/kolkata-calcutta-stone-bicentennial-british-interregnum-java-1811-1816). It occurred to me recently that this publication might mark the beginning of Sanskrit epigraphy as a modern scholarly enterprise. But perhaps there is competition from publications by British officers who were posted in India proper rather than in 'Farther India'. Please enlighten me. 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Filliozat In-Reply-To: <6653444F-604A-4C78-959D-2EB4E35BA1C6@unil.ch> Message-ID: I think it probably hasn't been scanned (publicly). I try to keep some informal notes about this sort of thing and afaik there's a gap in the scanning of JA between 1941 and 1998. -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 01:28, Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I don't succeed in obtaining a copy of the following article: > > Pierre-Sylvain Filliozat: "Le Tattvaprak??a du Roi Bhoja et les > commentaires d'Aghora?iv?c?rya et de ?r?kum?ra", Journal Asiatique, tome > CCLIX, Paris 1971, pp. 247-295. > > Could anyone help? Thanks in advance. > > Johannes Bronkhorst > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu Thu Feb 14 15:49:10 2019 From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rocher, Rosane D) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 19 15:49:10 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Article by P.-S. Filliozat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3ffbdd9a-bb9e-5ecb-3a64-91eaddd28b8e@sas.upenn.edu> Hathi has it as "Limited (search only)." Rosane Rocher On 2/14/19 10:39 AM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote: I think it probably hasn't been scanned (publicly). I try to keep some informal notes about this sort of thing and afaik there's a gap in the scanning of JA between 1941 and 1998. -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 01:28, Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY > wrote: I don't succeed in obtaining a copy of the following article: Pierre-Sylvain Filliozat: "Le Tattvaprak??a du Roi Bhoja et les commentaires d'Aghora?iv?c?rya et de ?r?kum?ra", Journal Asiatique, tome CCLIX, Paris 1971, pp. 247-295. Could anyone help? Thanks in advance. 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Filliozat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <37EE8EDC-CC05-456F-9007-B76B94F1BC1F@uclouvain.be> Dear Dominik, The Peeters online JA starts from the fasc. 3-4 of 1992 http://poj.peeters-leuven.be/content.php?url=journal&journal_code=JA It is possible that Peeters Publ. fills progressively the remaining gap. About your useful post, I would add for the BEFEO its free availability (5 years delay) through Pers?e: https://www.persee.fr/collection/befeo where there is also "Arts asiatiques" https://www.persee.fr/collection/arasi and the same for the ZDMG here (with also ZIII): http://menadoc.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/dmg Le 14 f?vr. 2019 ? 16:39, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : I think it probably hasn't been scanned (publicly). I try to keep some informal notes about this sort of thing and afaik there's a gap in the scanning of JA between 1941 and 1998. -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 01:28, Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY > wrote: I don't succeed in obtaining a copy of the following article: Pierre-Sylvain Filliozat: "Le Tattvaprak??a du Roi Bhoja et les commentaires d'Aghora?iv?c?rya et de ?r?kum?ra", Journal Asiatique, tome CCLIX, Paris 1971, pp. 247-295. Could anyone help? Thanks in advance. Johannes Bronkhorst _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsalomon at uw.edu Thu Feb 14 17:49:44 2019 From: rsalomon at uw.edu (Richard G. Salomon) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 19 09:49:44 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Arlo, According to my Indian Epigraphy book, pp. 200ff, the earliest "publication" -- in some sense of the term, in this case consisting only of a translation -- of a Sanskrit inscription was by Charles Wilkins in 1788.The earliest full publication, including facsimile and transliterated text, was by Henry Colebrook in 1801. At least, these were the earliest publications that I was able to find. Rich On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:24 PM Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Does anyhow know a modern scholarly publication of a Sanskrit inscription > older than the one that can be found here in the following? > > John Crawfurd, An Inscription from the Kawi or Ancient Javanese Language, > Verhandelingen van het Bataviaasch Genootschap der Kunsten en Wetenschappen > 8, 1816, Batavia: Government Press. > > The volume of the *Verhandelingen* in question can be found on archive.org. > The title is misleading, and the decipherment utterly unreliable, but the > transcription clearly reflects the Sanskrit-text of the 'Calcutta Stone' ( > https://iias.asia/the-newsletter/article/kolkata-calcutta-stone-bicentennial-british-interregnum-java-1811-1816). > It occurred to me recently that this publication might mark the beginning > of Sanskrit epigraphy as a modern scholarly enterprise. But perhaps there > is competition from publications by British officers who were posted in > India proper rather than in 'Farther India'. Please enlighten me. > > Best wishes, > > Arlo Griffiths > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Thu Feb 14 18:23:19 2019 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 19 18:23:19 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: first Sanskrit inscription ever published? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: More interesting in Anquetil-Duperron's (1760) report (issued in 1771) on the Kanheri inscriptions (which, after p. cccxcv, continues on pp. ccccvi-vii) is the fact that on his Pl. IV, under the no. [VII.]4, he gives, for an inscription for which is own reading is given under no. [VII.]3, the variant reading according to a contemporary 1760 British report (cf. pp. ccccxi fn. and ccccxii-xiii, and Deloche & Filliozat p. 22-23 on his method); and as it is explained, the British observer saw two inscriptions where Anquetil-Duperron saw only one, which is the right interpretation. De: Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY > Objet: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Date: 14 f?vrier 2019 ? 15:08:13 UTC+1 ?: Arlo Griffiths > Cc: INDOLOGY > R?pondre ?: Christophe Vielle > Note that Anquetil-Duperron (1771) also reproduces fragments of the Kanheri inscriptions on his Plate IV (between pp. cccxciv and v), here: https://archive.org/details/ouvragedezoroastre01anqu/page/n447 (no view in the Gallica scan, and broken image of the plate in the scans https://books.google.com/books?id=5QCgAAAAMAAJ or https://books.google.com/books?id=2iAVAAAAQAAJ ) with a commentary on the script (cf. p. cccxcv). See Deloche & Filliozat, p. 404 fn. 1, for a concordance of these fragments with B?hler's ed. (in Burgess' Report on the Elura Cave-Temples, ASWI vol. 5, 1883). D?but du message r?exp?di? : De: Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY > Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Date: 14 f?vrier 2019 ? 10:45:37 UTC+1 ?: Arlo Griffiths > Cc: INDOLOGY > R?pondre ?: Christophe Vielle > Dear Arlo, There is also the publication of the Kerala (Tamil/"Old Malayalam" in vat?t?el?uttu script) copper-plates of the "Privil?ges accord?s aux Juifs" by Anquetil-Duperron, in his ?Discours pr?liminaire? to the Zend-Avesta, t. 1, premi?re partie, 1771, pp. clxix-clxxi (it corresponds to the year 1758 in his journey). https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k933916s/f220.image (= Pl. 1) See the ed. with notes ad loc. by J. Deloche & P.-S. Filliozat, Abraham Hyacynthe Anquetil Duperrron, Voyage en Inde 1754-1762, Paris : EFEO - Maisonneuve & Larose, 1997, pp. 214-216. For an edition and study of these plates, see M.G.S. Narayanan, "The Jewish Copper-Plates of Cochin" in Cultural Symbiosis of Kerala, Trivandrum: Kerala Historical Society, pp. 23-30 and 79-82 = Inscr. A.34 in his ?Index to the Ce?ra inscriptions? (Perum?l?s of Kerala, 2013, pp. 451-452). The French Orientalist, after having furnished a good engraved copy of the Cochin Jewish copper plates, explains in the following pages (pp. clxxi-clxxviii = Deloche & Filliozat, pp. 216-225) that he has searched for a copy of the ?Privile?ges accorde?s aux chre?tiens de Saint-Thomas?. A ?Sanskrit translation?, viz. a copy made in Grantha-Malayalam or ?ryel?uttu script (?ariom? differing from ko?lel?uttu, ?kole ejouttou?, as explained by Duperron) wrongly supposed by Duperron to be in Sanskrit language, but being possibly a (modern) Malayalam rendering of the original Tamil, was provided to him by a local priest and ?certified? by the bishop as being a good and faithful copy of the Quilon copper plates, the original ones being kept within another branch of the St. Thomas Christians. The copy was orally translated in Portuguese by the local priest and put in French by Duperron. This grant is presented as being made of four plates (?quatre olles de cuivre?). The content of the first one corresponds precisely to the content of the Kollam plate I.01 (standard order), the second = II.01, the third = II.02, and the fourth = I.02. Remarkably, this perfectly confirms the order of the plates adopted in the new edition of the Kollam Plates text, see: Em?. A?r. Ra?ghavava?riyar (M.R. Raghava Varier) & Ke?s?avan Vel?utta?t?t? (Kesavan Veluthat), Tarisa?ppal?l?ippat?t?ayam? (caritram?), Kottayam: Sa?hityapravarttaka - Na?s?an?al Bukk St?t?a?l?, 2013 (cf. https://sites.google.com/site/medievalindianocean/home/colour-photographs-of-the-kollam-plates ) = Inscr. A.2 and 6 in M.G.S. Narayanan's ?Index to the Ce?ra inscriptions?. Best wishes, Christophe De: Manu Francis via INDOLOGY > Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Date: 14 f?vrier 2019 ? 10:19:49 UTC+1 ?: INDOLOGY > R?pondre ?: Manu Francis > Dans le premier num?ro des Asiatick Researches (1788), publication de traductions d?inscriptions par Jones, Wilkins (p. 123-130, 131-141). Wilkins, Charles (1788). An Inscription on a Pillar near Buddal. Asiatic Researches 1: 131- 141, with remarks by Sir William Jones pp. 142-4. Yours. Manu Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tudes de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) Online CV HAL Regionalism & Cosmopolitism: South India Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) De: "Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY" > Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? Date: 14 f?vrier 2019 ? 09:34:15 UTC+1 ?: Arlo Griffiths >, INDOLOGY > R?pondre ?: "Tieken, H.J.H." > Dear Arlo, I happen to have an "offprint" from Asiatic Researches Vol. 5 of 1799, pp. 131 ff of an article by a certain Jonathan Duncan, Efq., titled An Account of the Difcovery of Two Urns in the Vicinity of Benares. The text of the article is followed by drawings of the inscriptions. This is volume 5 of Asiatic Researches. I can imagine that in the earlier volumes more can be found. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com Le 14 f?vr. 2019 ? 09:10, Marco Franceschini via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear Arlo, according to Salomon (Indian Epigraphy, 1998, p. 200), ?the first publication of an old Indian inscription was by the "Sanskrit-mad" (Sir) Charles Wilkins? in 1781 (or 1785). Hope this helps, Marco --- Marco Franceschini ??????????? Ricercatore a tempo determinato Universit? di Bologna Dipartimento Storia Culture Civilt? via Zamboni 33 - 40126 Bologna marco.franceschini3 at unibo.it www.unibo.it/sitoweb/marco.franceschini3 www.associazioneitalianadistudisanscriti.org --- Il giorno 14 feb 2019, alle ore 07:22, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY > ha scritto: Dear colleagues, Does anyhow know a modern scholarly publication of a Sanskrit inscription older than the one that can be found here in the following? John Crawfurd, An Inscription from the Kawi or Ancient Javanese Language, Verhandelingen van het Bataviaasch Genootschap der Kunsten en Wetenschappen 8, 1816, Batavia: Government Press. The volume of the Verhandelingen in question can be found on archive.org. The title is misleading, and the decipherment utterly unreliable, but the transcription clearly reflects the Sanskrit-text of the 'Calcutta Stone' (https://iias.asia/the-newsletter/article/kolkata-calcutta-stone-bicentennial-british-interregnum-java-1811-1816). It occurred to me recently that this publication might mark the beginning of Sanskrit epigraphy as a modern scholarly enterprise. But perhaps there is competition from publications by British officers who were posted in India proper rather than in 'Farther India'. Please enlighten me. Best wishes, Arlo Griffiths _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? 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The representation of accents in combination with other signs is, however, not always ideal in Nakula and Sahadeva, for instance svarita in combination with long i, superscript r etc. Is there any Unicode Devanagari font that represents Vedic accent and is there any software to transscribe text with Vedic accent from Unicode Devanagari to a Unicode roman script (and vice versa)? Best regards, Jan Houben On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 21:32, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Prof Madhav Deshpande Ji > Thanks a lot for the feedback. Yes, we will work for the conjuncts to make > it similar to Nirnaya Sagara, and also could you please give an idea about > the specific conjunct that you are thinking good. Very valuable information > about the MSS, luckily we can retain both types, that is ??????????? and ta > going under. > Could please send the image of the letter from MSS if it is not too hassle > for you. > One more thing is we are trying to make both versions, that is with gaps > between characters and without gaps. > > Thanks > KP > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:24 AM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> Both Vani Vilas and Nirnaya Sagara fonts look good, the conjuncts >> look better in the Nirnaya Sagara font, but you can design them in the Vani >> Vilas as well. Great work. About the conjuncts in Dominik's ?a?tri??at, I >> wonder what is the practice in the manuscripts. I don't remember seeing a >> conjunct where ? or ??? hangs below ?. In this case, perhaps writing >> ??????????? may be closer to the practice of the manuscripts. This needs >> to be checked, perhaps in the manuscripts of the >> ?a?tri??at-tattva-sandoha. With best wishes, >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 7:36 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Looks very good to me. I imagine you'll work on ?a?tri- But everything >>> else looks really nice. >>> >>> -- *Jan E.M. Houben* Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) *Sciences historiques et philologiques * 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am guessing, but I think the > resource might be associated with Rewa in Madhya Pradesh, or the > Bishno Mandir in Hisar, Haryana. > > Does anyone have any information about this resource, especially > whether it has gone forever or only temporarily?? I wrote to Mr Gupta > last year, congratulating him on the website, but I received no answer. > > Best, > Dominik > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > sas.ualberta.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baums at lmu.de Fri Feb 15 08:44:21 2019 From: baums at lmu.de (Stefan Baums) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 19 09:44:21 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] first Sanskrit inscription ever published? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87imxl7862.fsf@lmu.de> Dear friends and colleagues, there is also Swinton, John. 1757. ?Some Remarks on a Parthian Coin with a Greek and Parthian Legend, Never Before Published.? Philosophical Transactions 50: 175?188 http://hdl.handle.net/2027/njp.32101037075148?urlappend=%3Bseq=197 The non?Greek legend on the coin in question is actually in G?ndh?r? (so maybe not exactly what Arlo was looking for), and Swinton?s attempt at decipherment goes astray. Quite interesting, though, as an earlier example of the nineteenth?century decipherment efforts of Prinsep and others. All best, Stefan -- Stefan Baums, Ph.D. Institut f?r Indologie und Tibetologie Ludwig?Maximilians?Universit?t M?nchen From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de Fri Feb 15 11:57:53 2019 From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 19 12:57:53 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Two new books from IeT (57 and 58) Message-ID: <20190215125753.Horde.eFPWQK1O23zktXI3MuJwHwn@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> Dear Colleagues, I would like to point out two new publications in the Indica et Tibetica-Verlag. == Indica et Tibetica (IeT) 57 == Compounds and Compounding in Old Tibetan. A Corpus Based Approach. By Joanna Bialek. Marburg 2018. 2 Vols. 586 + 610 pp. ISBN 978-3-923776-59-7 & 978-3-923776-60-3 Price: 136 Euro http://iet-verlag.de/ Old Tibetan documents are the oldest extant monuments of the Tibetan language. Their exploration, although successfully flourishing in the last two decades, has been considerably impeded by often unintelligible and obsolete vocabulary that was bound to the particular cultural and political context of the Tibetan Empire that collapsed in the 840s CE. The present publication aims at clarifying a part of this vocabulary by examining nearly 400 Old Tibetan compounds. In Part I an attempt has been undertaken to define a compound and to provide the first linguistic classification of Old Tibetan compounds. Part II concentrates on a lexicological analysis of the compounds and strives to explain their etymology, word-formation, and usage in Old Tibetan. == Indica et Tibetica (IeT) 58 == Bh?skaraka??has Citt?nubodha??stra. Kritische Edition der ersten drei Kapitel nebst Erstedition des Autokommentars. Von Stanislav Jager. Marburg 2018. xv, 407 S. ISBN 978-3-923776-61-0 Price: 52 Euro http://iet-verlag.de/ The Kashmiri scholar R?j?naka Bh?skaraka??ha (fl. 1725?1775) has been known and appreciated above all as a commentator on important philosophical works. Less well-known is his independent philosophical masterpiece Citt?nubodha??stra, which, containing nearly 5,000 stanzas in 15 chapters, is of considerable extent. Standing in the autochthonous tradition of the Pratyabhij?? doctrine founded by Utpaladeva and further developed by Abhinavagupta, he does not hesitate to set his own marks, though. The present book features the critical edition of the Sanskrit text of the first three chapters of this work and, for the first time, the corresponding auto-commentary. Indica et Tibetica Verlag Dr. Mitsuyo Demoto-Hahn Lindenstr. 24 D-35287 Amoeneburg, Germany Tel.: +49-6424-9289739 Fax: +49-6424-9435378 Email: post at iet-verlag.de http://www.iet-verlag.de For details and previews see http://www.iet-verlag.de Best regards, Roland Steiner --- Dr. Roland Steiner Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Seminar f?r Indologie Emil-Abderhalden-Str. 9 D-06099 Halle (Saale) Germany Tel.: +49-345-55-23656 Fax: +49-345-55-27211 URL: http://www.indologie.uni-halle.de E-Mail: roland.steiner at indologie.uni-halle.de From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Feb 15 14:08:20 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 19 06:08:20 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ? ?????: ???????????????????????? ?????????: ??????? O Krishna, where are you hiding? The woods of my mind are thick. 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Filliozat In-Reply-To: <37EE8EDC-CC05-456F-9007-B76B94F1BC1F@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: Dear friends and colleagues, Several of you offered to have a scan made of the article concerned. I now received one, so there is no need to send it to me any longer. Thanks in any case for your kind offer. Johannes Bronkhorst On 14 Feb 2019, at 17:01, Christophe Vielle > wrote: Dear Dominik, The Peeters online JA starts from the fasc. 3-4 of 1992 http://poj.peeters-leuven.be/content.php?url=journal&journal_code=JA It is possible that Peeters Publ. fills progressively the remaining gap. About your useful post, I would add for the BEFEO its free availability (5 years delay) through Pers?e: https://www.persee.fr/collection/befeo where there is also "Arts asiatiques" https://www.persee.fr/collection/arasi and the same for the ZDMG here (with also ZIII): http://menadoc.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/dmg Le 14 f?vr. 2019 ? 16:39, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : I think it probably hasn't been scanned (publicly). I try to keep some informal notes about this sort of thing and afaik there's a gap in the scanning of JA between 1941 and 1998. -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 01:28, Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY > wrote: I don't succeed in obtaining a copy of the following article: Pierre-Sylvain Filliozat: "Le Tattvaprak??a du Roi Bhoja et les commentaires d'Aghora?iv?c?rya et de ?r?kum?ra", Journal Asiatique, tome CCLIX, Paris 1971, pp. 247-295. Could anyone help? Thanks in advance. Johannes Bronkhorst _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? 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The creature depicted does not (or very rarely) has branched antlers (a deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an antelope gazelle characteristic). My sincere appreciation for any help or references. Best to all John _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.darumadera at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 22:35:51 2019 From: john.darumadera at gmail.com (John Huntington) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 19 17:35:51 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) In-Reply-To: <6EDF838C-7627-44FC-A59B-0DA8B4885F44@austin.utexas.edu> Message-ID: Thank you Patrick, They are a beautiful Gazelle/Antelope that is amazingly wide spread in India, pakistan and even in Iran. I have attached a picture on one that I have edited. I have travelled across most of the subcontinent and never seen one that I can recall On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:41 PM Olivelle, J P wrote: > Hi John: > > Can you post a picture of the animal? > > Patrick > > > > On Feb 15, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear list members, > > I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals > that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) > which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most > sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable > Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation > of "m?gadava." > > The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers (a > deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an > antelope gazelle characteristic). > > My sincere appreciation for any help or references. > > Best to all > > John > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From diegoloukota at ucla.edu Sat Feb 16 18:35:04 2019 From: diegoloukota at ucla.edu (DIEGO LOUKOTA SANCLEMENTE) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 19 12:35:04 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 73, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The issue of the chinkara interested me, so I went first to Turner's dictionary. Var?hamihira in his *B?hatsa?hit?* mentions a *chikkara* in 85.20b, 38b, and 44a in the context of omens. The 1946 translation of Subrahmanya Sastri and Ramakrishna Bhat makes a mess of the situation by translating the first "musk rat (or civet cat)," the second as "a kind of deer" (but reading a chimaeric *dhikkara*) and the third as "jackal?." But Pa?j?b? *cak?ra* and Hind? *chik?r?* (whence the English term) make very likely that we are dealing here with the same animal. MW does give for *chikkara* "a kind of animal" and for *chikk?ra* "a kind of antelope," both entries literally translated from the big St. Petersburg lexicon of B?htlingk and Roth. Burrow ("Dravidian Studies VII," BSOAS 12 (1948), p. 379, ?145) suggests a Dravidian origin for the Sanskrit word on the basis of Kannada *cigari*. Nevertheless, although *chikkara*/*chikk?ra* may have at some point become the scientific Sanskrit term for the species *Gazella Bennettii*, I feel that for general purposes the ubiquitous Sanskrit *m?ga* may have been broad enough to encompass all the infra-order *Pecora* (deer, antelopes, giraffes, and whatnot). Perhaps our seeing *m?ga* as "deer" rather than as "antelope" is best seen as the inheritance of a restrictive choice on the part of Victorian translators? (as the mostly wrong "swan" for *ha?sa*, etc.). Common usage Sanskrit seems to me rather sloppy in some departments of animal taxonomy, with *pata?ga* being almost any flying insect except for the hyper-fetishized bees (butterflies, moths, and even locusts) etc. In a passage of the *M?lasarv?stiv?davinaya* dealt with by Schopen (*Buddhist Monks*, 232), instructions are given on the *dharmacakrapravartana* symbol to be engraved on the monastery's seals ("in the middle draw the wheel, and on both sides [draw] **m?ga*s: on top the name of the owner of the monastery should be drawn," *dbus su 'khor lo bris la glo gnyis su ri dgas 'og tu gtsug lag khang gi bdag po'i ming bri bar bya'o*, Derge, 'Dul ba, Tha 8a6-7). The word given in the Tibetan is *ri dags* ("mountain beast") which is the standard translation of *m?ga*. I sense that had the ancient translators seen anything unusual like *chikkara* they would not have used the generic term. I hope this is of any use! *namaskaromi*, Diego Loukota On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 11:00 AM wrote: > Send INDOLOGY mailing list submissions to > indology at list.indology.info > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > indology-request at list.indology.info > > You can reach the person managing the list at > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of INDOLOGY digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Chinkara (a gazelle) (John Huntington) > 2. Re: Chinkara (a gazelle) (Olivelle, J P) > 3. Re: Chinkara (a gazelle) (John Huntington) > 4. Continuing my Krishna verses (Madhav Deshpande) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: John Huntington > To: Indology > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:27:42 -0500 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) > Dear list members, > > I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals > that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) > which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most > sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable > Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation > of "m?gadava." > > The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers (a > deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an > antelope gazelle characteristic). > > My sincere appreciation for any help or references. > > Best to all > > John > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Olivelle, J P" > To: John Huntington > Cc: Indology > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:41:56 +0000 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) > Hi John: > > Can you post a picture of the animal? > > Patrick > > > > On Feb 15, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear list members, > > I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals > that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) > which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most > sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable > Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation > of "m?gadava." > > The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers (a > deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an > antelope gazelle characteristic). > > My sincere appreciation for any help or references. > > Best to all > > John > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: John Huntington > To: "Olivelle, J P" > Cc: Indology > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:35:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) > Thank you Patrick, > > They are a beautiful Gazelle/Antelope that is amazingly wide spread in > India, pakistan and even in Iran. I have attached a picture on one that I > have edited. I have travelled across most of the subcontinent and never > seen one that I can recall > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:41 PM Olivelle, J P > wrote: > >> Hi John: >> >> Can you post a picture of the animal? >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> On Feb 15, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Dear list members, >> >> I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals >> that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) >> which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most >> sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable >> Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation >> of "m?gadava." >> >> The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers >> (a deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an >> antelope gazelle characteristic). >> >> My sincere appreciation for any help or references. >> >> Best to all >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Madhav Deshpande > To: Indology > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 06:36:42 -0800 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses > Continuing my Krishna verses > > ???????????: ????? ????????? ???????? ? > ??? ??????? ??? ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? > [?????? = ???????????????] > O Krishna, if I could restrain these [modulations of my mind] crawling > here and there, then I can see your hidden beautiful face. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diegoloukota at ucla.edu Sat Feb 16 18:49:49 2019 From: diegoloukota at ucla.edu (DIEGO LOUKOTA SANCLEMENTE) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 19 12:49:49 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] INDOLOGY Digest, Vol 73, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Errata: Hind? *ci?k?r?, *Pa?j?b? *cak?r?. *The latter is apparently *Cervus Muntjac*, though. Also, my mention of giraffes was only to illustrate the members of *Pecora*, and not to suggest that Sanskrit would have had a name for them! Diego Loukota. On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 12:35 PM DIEGO LOUKOTA SANCLEMENTE < diegoloukota at ucla.edu> wrote: > > The issue of the chinkara interested me, so I went first to Turner's > dictionary. Var?hamihira in his *B?hatsa?hit?* mentions a *chikkara* in > 85.20b, 38b, and 44a in the context of omens. The 1946 translation of > Subrahmanya Sastri and Ramakrishna Bhat makes a mess of the situation by > translating the first "musk rat (or civet cat)," the second as "a kind of > deer" (but reading a chimaeric *dhikkara*) and the third as "jackal?." > But Pa?j?b? *cak?ra* and Hind? *chik?r?* (whence the English term) make > very likely that we are dealing here with the same animal. MW does give for > *chikkara* "a kind of animal" and for *chikk?ra* "a kind of antelope," > both entries literally translated from the big St. Petersburg lexicon of > B?htlingk and Roth. Burrow ("Dravidian Studies VII," BSOAS 12 (1948), p. > 379, ?145) suggests a Dravidian origin for the Sanskrit word on the basis > of Kannada *cigari*. > Nevertheless, although *chikkara*/*chikk?ra* may have at some point > become the scientific Sanskrit term for the species *Gazella Bennettii*, > I feel that for general purposes the ubiquitous Sanskrit *m?ga* may have > been broad enough to encompass all the infra-order *Pecora* (deer, > antelopes, giraffes, and whatnot). Perhaps our seeing *m?ga* as "deer" > rather than as "antelope" is best seen as the inheritance of a restrictive > choice on the part of Victorian translators? (as the mostly wrong "swan" > for *ha?sa*, etc.). Common usage Sanskrit seems to me rather sloppy in > some departments of animal taxonomy, with *pata?ga* being almost any > flying insect except for the hyper-fetishized bees (butterflies, moths, and > even locusts) etc. > In a passage of the *M?lasarv?stiv?davinaya* dealt with by Schopen (*Buddhist > Monks*, 232), instructions are given on the *dharmacakrapravartana* > symbol to be engraved on the monastery's seals ("in the middle draw the > wheel, and on both sides [draw] **m?ga*s: on top the name of the owner of > the monastery should be drawn," *dbus su 'khor lo bris la glo gnyis su ri > dgas 'og tu gtsug lag khang gi bdag po'i ming bri bar bya'o*, Derge, 'Dul > ba, Tha 8a6-7). The word given in the Tibetan is *ri dags* ("mountain > beast") which is the standard translation of *m?ga*. I sense that had the > ancient translators seen anything unusual like *chikkara* they would not > have used the generic term. > I hope this is of any use! > > *namaskaromi*, > > Diego Loukota > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 11:00 AM > wrote: > >> Send INDOLOGY mailing list submissions to >> indology at list.indology.info >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> indology-request at list.indology.info >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> indology-owner at list.indology.info >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of INDOLOGY digest..." >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Chinkara (a gazelle) (John Huntington) >> 2. Re: Chinkara (a gazelle) (Olivelle, J P) >> 3. Re: Chinkara (a gazelle) (John Huntington) >> 4. Continuing my Krishna verses (Madhav Deshpande) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: John Huntington >> To: Indology >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:27:42 -0500 >> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) >> Dear list members, >> >> I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals >> that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) >> which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most >> sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable >> Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation >> of "m?gadava." >> >> The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers >> (a deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an >> antelope gazelle characteristic). >> >> My sincere appreciation for any help or references. >> >> Best to all >> >> John >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Olivelle, J P" >> To: John Huntington >> Cc: Indology >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:41:56 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) >> Hi John: >> >> Can you post a picture of the animal? >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> On Feb 15, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Dear list members, >> >> I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals >> that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) >> which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most >> sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable >> Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation >> of "m?gadava." >> >> The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers >> (a deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an >> antelope gazelle characteristic). >> >> My sincere appreciation for any help or references. >> >> Best to all >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: John Huntington >> To: "Olivelle, J P" >> Cc: Indology >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:35:51 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) >> Thank you Patrick, >> >> They are a beautiful Gazelle/Antelope that is amazingly wide spread in >> India, pakistan and even in Iran. I have attached a picture on one that I >> have edited. I have travelled across most of the subcontinent and never >> seen one that I can recall >> >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:41 PM Olivelle, J P >> wrote: >> >>> Hi John: >>> >>> Can you post a picture of the animal? >>> >>> Patrick >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 15, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of >>> animals that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small >>> gazelle) which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in >>> most sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable >>> Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation >>> of "m?gadava." >>> >>> The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers >>> (a deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an >>> antelope gazelle characteristic). >>> >>> My sincere appreciation for any help or references. >>> >>> Best to all >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Madhav Deshpande >> To: Indology >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 06:36:42 -0800 >> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses >> Continuing my Krishna verses >> >> ???????????: ????? ????????? ???????? ? >> ??? ??????? ??? ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? >> [?????? = ???????????????] >> O Krishna, if I could restrain these [modulations of my mind] crawling >> here and there, then I can see your hidden beautiful face. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diegoloukota at ucla.edu Sun Feb 17 00:29:22 2019 From: diegoloukota at ucla.edu (DIEGO LOUKOTA SANCLEMENTE) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 19 18:29:22 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) (John Huntington) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [note: I had replied without modifying the subject with ?RE:? I apologize if both versions end up mailed to the list] The issue of the chinkara interested me, so I went first to Turner's dictionary. Var?hamihira in his *B?hatsa?hit?* mentions a *chikkara* in 85.20b, 38b, and 44a in the context of omens. The 1946 translation of Subrahmanya Sastri and Ramakrishna Bhat makes a mess of the situation by translating the first "musk rat (or civet cat)," the second as "a kind of deer" (but reading a chimaeric *dhikkara*) and the third as "jackal?." But Pa?j?b? *cak?r?* and Hind? *ci?k?r?* (whence the English term) make very likely that we are dealing here with the same animal. MW does give for *chikkara* "a kind of animal" and for *chikk?ra* "a kind of antelope," both entries literally translated from the big St. Petersburg lexicon of B?htlingk and Roth. Burrow ("Dravidian Studies VII," BSOAS 12 (1948), p. 379, ?145) suggests a Dravidian origin for the Sanskrit word on the basis of Kannada *cigari*. Nevertheless, although *chikkara*/*chikk?ra* may have at some point become the scientific Sanskrit term for the species *Gazella Bennettii*, I feel that for general purposes the ubiquitous Sanskrit *m?ga* may have been broad enough to encompass all the infra-order *Pecora* (deer, antelopes). Perhaps our seeing *m?ga* as "deer" rather than as "antelope" is best seen as the inheritance of a restrictive choice on the part of Victorian translators? (as the mostly wrong "swan" for *ha?sa*, etc.). Common usage Sanskrit seems to me rather sloppy in some departments of animal taxonomy, with *pata?ga* being almost any flying insect except for the hyper-fetishized bees (butterflies, moths, and even locusts) etc. In a passage of the *M?lasarv?stiv?davinaya* dealt with by Schopen (*Buddhist Monks*, 232), instructions are given on the *dharmacakrapravartana* symbol to be engraved on the monastery's seals ("in the middle draw the wheel, and on both sides [draw] **m?ga*s: below the name of the owner of the monastery should be drawn," *dbus su 'khor lo bris la glo gnyis su ri dgas 'og tu gtsug lag khang gi bdag po'i ming bri bar bya'o*, Derge, 'Dul ba, Tha 8a6-7). The word given in the Tibetan is *ri dags* ("mountain beast") which is the standard translation of *m?ga*. I sense that had the ancient translators seen anything unusual like *chikkara* they would not have used the generic term. I hope this is of any use! *namaskaromi*, Diego Loukota On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 11:00 AM wrote: > Send INDOLOGY mailing list submissions to > indology at list.indology.info > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > indology-request at list.indology.info > > You can reach the person managing the list at > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of INDOLOGY digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Chinkara (a gazelle) (John Huntington) > 2. Re: Chinkara (a gazelle) (Olivelle, J P) > 3. Re: Chinkara (a gazelle) (John Huntington) > 4. Continuing my Krishna verses (Madhav Deshpande) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: John Huntington > To: Indology > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:27:42 -0500 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) > Dear list members, > > I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals > that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) > which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most > sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable > Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation > of "m?gadava." > > The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers (a > deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an > antelope gazelle characteristic). > > My sincere appreciation for any help or references. > > Best to all > > John > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Olivelle, J P" > To: John Huntington > Cc: Indology > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:41:56 +0000 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) > Hi John: > > Can you post a picture of the animal? > > Patrick > > > > On Feb 15, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear list members, > > I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals > that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) > which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most > sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable > Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation > of "m?gadava." > > The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers (a > deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an > antelope gazelle characteristic). > > My sincere appreciation for any help or references. > > Best to all > > John > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: John Huntington > To: "Olivelle, J P" > Cc: Indology > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:35:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) > Thank you Patrick, > > They are a beautiful Gazelle/Antelope that is amazingly wide spread in > India, pakistan and even in Iran. I have attached a picture on one that I > have edited. I have travelled across most of the subcontinent and never > seen one that I can recall > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:41 PM Olivelle, J P > wrote: > >> Hi John: >> >> Can you post a picture of the animal? >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> On Feb 15, 2019, at 12:27 PM, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Dear list members, >> >> I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals >> that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) >> which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most >> sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable >> Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation >> of "m?gadava." >> >> The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers >> (a deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an >> antelope gazelle characteristic). >> >> My sincere appreciation for any help or references. >> >> Best to all >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Madhav Deshpande > To: Indology > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 06:36:42 -0800 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses > Continuing my Krishna verses > > ???????????: ????? ????????? ???????? ? > ??? ??????? ??? ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? > [?????? = ???????????????] > O Krishna, if I could restrain these [modulations of my mind] crawling > here and there, then I can see your hidden beautiful face. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > http://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology_list.indology.info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Feb 17 14:34:39 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 19 06:34:39 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????? ?? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????????? ??????? O Krishna, the reflection of your moon-face is imprinted on the moon, and from there it reflects back on the waves of the waters of Yamuna. Madhav M. 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D???a? vina??am atilolam al?tacakram... > > Martin > > Den 2019-02-14 kl. 21:15, skrev Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY: >> This website, that hosted digital scans of many manuscripts and early editions, has now disappeared, as of December last year. Some of the site is preserved at Archive.org , but the scans are not downloadable as far as I can see. The site was created by a Mr Madan Mohan Gupta. I am guessing, but I think the resource might be associated with Rewa in Madhya Pradesh, or the Bishno Mandir in Hisar, Haryana. >> >> Does anyone have any information about this resource, especially whether it has gone forever or only temporarily? 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There are your reflections in all the waves [of Yamuna] and yet, out of love for you, they all seem to contest with each other. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 17:55:49 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 19 23:25:49 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear all Some more characters. Thanks KP On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of useful > resources. With best regards, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < > krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >> >> You can download from here. >> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >> >> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier >> wrote: >> >>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>> >>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some "alternates" >>>> or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or auto-select) to >>>> select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you know this. And >>>> it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX that allow one to >>>> access such features easily (e.g., through fontspec >>>> , manual part IV). >>>> >>> >>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to create >>> open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, 1971 >>>> rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. >>>> >>> >>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its been >>> 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely fascinating. >>> As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing from the >>> earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>> author. I can't recall the details. >>> >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NirnaySagar.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 565395 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Feb 18 18:12:36 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 19 10:12:36 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether it appears in full or half forms of these characters. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all > Some more characters. > Thanks > KP > > On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of useful >> resources. With best regards, >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>> >>> You can download from here. >>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>> >>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some "alternates" >>>>> or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or auto-select) to >>>>> select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you know this. And >>>>> it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX that allow one to >>>>> access such features easily (e.g., through fontspec >>>>> , manual part IV). >>>>> >>>> >>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to create >>>> open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, 1971 >>>>> rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its been >>>> 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely fascinating. >>>> As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing from the >>>> earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>> >>>> Harry Spier >>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shrivara at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 23:00:05 2019 From: shrivara at gmail.com (Shrinivasa Varakhedi) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 04:30:05 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <501AC1FB-7110-4349-8B91-CB0B35FFE296@gmail.com> Dear Sri Krishnaprasad, I have been observing the fonts getting improvised. Its really fantastic to have the old prints on computers again. Thanks for your efforts. I could read the texts with ease and enjoy the enhanced experience of reading for beauty of characters. Few suggestions. 1. AnusvAra seems to be big in size. 2. Little more compatibility is needed in ?u? ?r? marks at the bottom. 3. Space where samyuktakshara is seen. 4. More care is required in representation of ?pa~Nkeruha? etc. especially with ?e? marker. 5. Once again check with the size of ???. Rest is wonderful Regards, SV > On 18-Feb-2019, at 11:25 PM, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear all > Some more characters. > Thanks > KP > > On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, > wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of useful resources. With best regards, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G > wrote: > Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. > > You can download from here. > https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier > wrote: > Dominink Wujastyk wrote: > modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through fontspec , manual part IV). > > I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. > > > Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work Typography of Devanagari (3 vols, 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. > > I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the author. I can't recall the details. > > Harry Spier > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Feb 19 02:14:23 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 19 18:14:23 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. [image: image.png] On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text Series, uses such a vertical cluster: [image: image.png] However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, like > that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other characters. > The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, ?, ? etc. > should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether it > appears in full or half forms of these characters. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear all >> Some more characters. >> Thanks >> KP >> >> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: >> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>> >>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of useful >>> resources. With best regards, >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>> >>>> You can download from here. >>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through fontspec >>>>>> , manual part IV). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to create >>>>> open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, 1971 >>>>>> rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its been >>>>> 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely fascinating. >>>>> As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing from the >>>>> earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>>> >>>>> Harry Spier >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 03:06:04 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 08:36:04 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks a lot for the feedback. We will work on the knots, and horizontal lines. When we were tracing the half ? we missed to identify the dissimilarity with full ? Thanks and Regards On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:43 PM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, like > that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other characters. > The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, ?, ? etc. > should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether it > appears in full or half forms of these characters. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear all >> Some more characters. >> Thanks >> KP >> >> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: >> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>> >>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of useful >>> resources. With best regards, >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>> >>>> You can download from here. >>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through fontspec >>>>>> , manual part IV). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to create >>>>> open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, 1971 >>>>>> rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its been >>>>> 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely fascinating. >>>>> As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing from the >>>>> earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>>> >>>>> Harry Spier >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 03:10:53 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 08:40:53 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: <501AC1FB-7110-4349-8B91-CB0B35FFE296@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Sri Shrinivasa Varakhedi Acharya Ji Thanks a lot for the feedback. We will reduce the size of anusvAra, yes the overlapping etc of 'u' will be fixed. space with conjunct consonants are debated, some suggested to retain, and some to remove. we will work on both types. rest we will work on it. Thanks a lot KP On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 4:30 AM Shrinivasa Varakhedi wrote: > Dear Sri Krishnaprasad, > > I have been observing the fonts getting improvised. Its really fantastic > to have the old prints on computers again. Thanks for your efforts. I could > read the texts with ease and enjoy the enhanced experience of reading for > beauty of characters. > Few suggestions. > > 1. AnusvAra seems to be big in size. > 2. Little more compatibility is needed in ?u? ?r? marks at the bottom. > 3. Space where samyuktakshara is seen. > 4. More care is required in representation of ?pa~Nkeruha? etc. especially > with ?e? marker. > 5. Once again check with the size of ???. > > Rest is wonderful > > Regards, > SV > > > On 18-Feb-2019, at 11:25 PM, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear all > Some more characters. > Thanks > KP > > On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of useful >> resources. With best regards, >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>> >>> You can download from here. >>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>> >>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some "alternates" >>>>> or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or auto-select) to >>>>> select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you know this. And >>>>> it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX that allow one to >>>>> access such features easily (e.g., through fontspec >>>>> , manual part IV). >>>>> >>>> >>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to create >>>> open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, 1971 >>>>> rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its been >>>> 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely fascinating. >>>> As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing from the >>>> earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>> >>>> Harry Spier >>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 03:17:56 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 08:47:56 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l took like ????? itself and not the hanging one. This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the time of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS Thanks a lot Krishna Prasad Whatsapp Number 963282891 On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but > here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of > "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. > > [image: image.png] > On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text > Series, uses such a vertical cluster: > > [image: image.png] > However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, like >> that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other characters. >> The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, ?, ? etc. >> should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether it >> appears in full or half forms of these characters. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear all >>> Some more characters. >>> Thanks >>> KP >>> >>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>> >>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>> >>>>> You can download from here. >>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>> fontspec , manual part IV). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, 1971 >>>>>>> rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>> >>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Feb 19 04:45:42 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 19 20:45:42 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you remember a textual occurrence of ????????, it may be easier to check in the manuscript images that I have. Off-hand, I do not remember seeing a ? hanging under ?. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:18 PM Krishnaprasad G wrote: > > Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji > Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l took like > ????? itself and not the hanging one. > > This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the time > of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. > could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS > Thanks a lot > > Krishna Prasad > Whatsapp Number > 963282891 > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but >> here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of >> "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >> >> [image: image.png] >> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >> >> [image: image.png] >> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>> >>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all >>>> Some more characters. >>>> Thanks >>>> KP >>>> >>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>> University of Michigan >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part IV). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 07:51:45 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 13:21:45 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I will try to search the instance. How about ?????????????? ?? Thanks On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 10:16 AM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: > If you remember a textual occurrence of ????????, it may be easier to > check in the manuscript images that I have. Off-hand, I do not remember > seeing a ? hanging under ?. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:18 PM Krishnaprasad G < > krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji >> Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l took >> like ????? itself and not the hanging one. >> >> This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the time >> of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. >> could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS >> Thanks a lot >> >> Krishna Prasad >> Whatsapp Number >> 963282891 >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>> >>> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but >>> here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of >>> "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >>> >>> [image: image.png] >>> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >>> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >>> >>> [image: image.png] >>> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>> >>>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all >>>>> Some more characters. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> KP >>>>> >>>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part IV). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>>> or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem was that the catalogue linked to a collection with limited years, while it should have linked to the Springer site with the complete journal. I am told that the situation will be corrected. Once more I like to thank everybody for the quick reactions with the pdf of Emmrich's article. With the best wishes, Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Tue Feb 19 09:04:33 2019 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 09:04:33 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Journal of Indian History - The Babylonian and Oriental Record - a request for pdfs Message-ID: <4522DC9A-F85F-4E7A-8A8E-09E6E1000FFB@uclouvain.be> Dear List, I am looking for .pdf copies of the ? Journal of Indian History vol. 3, 1924 (article by J. Charpentier pp. 161-187). Copies of this issue from the Un. of California and Michigan are listed on HathiTrust here: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000676512 but no access from Europe. ? The Babylonian and Oriental Record vol. 8, 1900 (articles by L.C. Casartelli pp. ?? 41-46, 248-268) See also HathiTrust here: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008888262 (there was in fact one more issue, vol. 9 of 1901, in which I am also interested, before this Journal stops) Thank you for your help, I add below the free-available issues that I was able to find for both journals, Yours, Christophe Vielle Journal of Indian History vol. 1/1 ?, 1921 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.170574 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201056 vol. 1/3, 1922 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.86255 Vol. 5/2, 1926 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.202140 vol. 7, 1928 http://www.archive.org/details/journalofindianh014918mbp https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382544 vol. 8/1, 1929 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201524 vol. 11, 1932 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382545 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.281587 (a few more recent issues at http://www.southasiaarchive.com/Content/sarf.120079 ) The Babylonian and Oriental Record vol. 1, 1886-1887 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01londuoft/ https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01lond/ vol. 2, 1887-1888 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02londuoft https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02lond/ vol. 3, 1888-1889 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03londuoft/ vol. 4, 1889-1890 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04londuoft/ https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03lond/ vol. 5, 1891 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient05londuoft/ https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04lond/ ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 10:26:23 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 15:56:23 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] How about Vedic accent >>> Re: Various Font's comparison with Vani Vilas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Jan Thanks for the mail. I am extremely sorry for the late reply. We are working on Vedic accents separately. However, it has all basic Vedic accents but not detailed as Chandas font. Thanks and regards KP On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:36 AM Jan E.M. Houben wrote: > Does Vani Vilas provide a way to represent Vedic accent as in ??????????? > ?????????? ? > Some two decades ago John Smith published ( > http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/index.html) his fonts Nakula > and Sahadeva, which are > "two TrueType/OpenType Unicode Devanagari fonts. Both contain all the > conjuncts and other ligatures (including Vedic accents) likely to be needed > by Sanskritists." > In my view this is a minimum requirement for a Devanagari font. > The representation of accents in combination with other signs is, however, > not always ideal in Nakula and Sahadeva, for instance svarita in > combination with long i, superscript r etc. > Is there any Unicode Devanagari font that represents Vedic accent and is > there any software to transscribe text with Vedic accent from Unicode > Devanagari to a Unicode roman script (and vice versa)? > Best regards, > Jan Houben > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 21:32, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Prof Madhav Deshpande Ji >> Thanks a lot for the feedback. Yes, we will work for the conjuncts to >> make it similar to Nirnaya Sagara, and also could you please give an idea >> about the specific conjunct that you are thinking good. Very valuable >> information about the MSS, luckily we can retain both types, that is >> ??????????? and ta going under. >> Could please send the image of the letter from MSS if it is not too >> hassle for you. >> One more thing is we are trying to make both versions, that is with gaps >> between characters and without gaps. >> >> Thanks >> KP >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:24 AM Madhav Deshpande >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>> >>> Both Vani Vilas and Nirnaya Sagara fonts look good, the conjuncts >>> look better in the Nirnaya Sagara font, but you can design them in the Vani >>> Vilas as well. Great work. About the conjuncts in Dominik's ?a?tri??at, I >>> wonder what is the practice in the manuscripts. I don't remember seeing a >>> conjunct where ? or ??? hangs below ?. In this case, perhaps writing >>> ??????????? may be closer to the practice of the manuscripts. This needs >>> to be checked, perhaps in the manuscripts of the >>> ?a?tri??at-tattva-sandoha. With best wishes, >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 7:36 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks very good to me. I imagine you'll work on ?a?tri- But everything >>>> else looks really nice. >>>> >>>> -- > > *Jan E.M. Houben* > > Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology > > *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* > > ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) > > *Sciences historiques et philologiques * > > 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris > > *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * > > *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * > > *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben > * > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 10:28:01 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 15:58:01 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] How about Vedic accent >>> Re: Various Font's comparison with Vani Vilas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am sorry, replace it has with "Vani Vilas", so newly developed Vedic fonts will have all details as Chandas fonts On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 3:56 PM Krishnaprasad G wrote: > Dear Jan > Thanks for the mail. I am extremely sorry for the late reply. > We are working on Vedic accents separately. However, it has all basic > Vedic accents but not detailed as Chandas font. > > Thanks and regards > KP > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:36 AM Jan E.M. Houben > wrote: > >> Does Vani Vilas provide a way to represent Vedic accent as in ??????????? >> ?????????? ? >> Some two decades ago John Smith published ( >> http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/index.html) his fonts Nakula >> and Sahadeva, which are >> "two TrueType/OpenType Unicode Devanagari fonts. Both contain all the >> conjuncts and other ligatures (including Vedic accents) likely to be needed >> by Sanskritists." >> In my view this is a minimum requirement for a Devanagari font. >> The representation of accents in combination with other signs is, >> however, not always ideal in Nakula and Sahadeva, for instance svarita in >> combination with long i, superscript r etc. >> Is there any Unicode Devanagari font that represents Vedic accent and is >> there any software to transscribe text with Vedic accent from Unicode >> Devanagari to a Unicode roman script (and vice versa)? >> Best regards, >> Jan Houben >> >> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 21:32, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Prof Madhav Deshpande Ji >>> Thanks a lot for the feedback. Yes, we will work for the conjuncts to >>> make it similar to Nirnaya Sagara, and also could you please give an idea >>> about the specific conjunct that you are thinking good. Very valuable >>> information about the MSS, luckily we can retain both types, that is >>> ??????????? and ta going under. >>> Could please send the image of the letter from MSS if it is not too >>> hassle for you. >>> One more thing is we are trying to make both versions, that is with gaps >>> between characters and without gaps. >>> >>> Thanks >>> KP >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:24 AM Madhav Deshpande >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>> >>>> Both Vani Vilas and Nirnaya Sagara fonts look good, the conjuncts >>>> look better in the Nirnaya Sagara font, but you can design them in the Vani >>>> Vilas as well. Great work. About the conjuncts in Dominik's ?a?tri??at, I >>>> wonder what is the practice in the manuscripts. I don't remember seeing a >>>> conjunct where ? or ??? hangs below ?. In this case, perhaps writing >>>> ??????????? may be closer to the practice of the manuscripts. This needs >>>> to be checked, perhaps in the manuscripts of the >>>> ?a?tri??at-tattva-sandoha. With best wishes, >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 7:36 PM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looks very good to me. I imagine you'll work on ?a?tri- But >>>>> everything else looks really nice. >>>>> >>>>> -- >> >> *Jan E.M. Houben* >> >> Directeur d'?tudes, Professor of South Asian History and Philology >> >> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite* >> >> ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes (EPHE, PSL - Universit? Paris) >> >> *Sciences historiques et philologiques * >> >> 54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris >> >> *johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr * >> >> *johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu * >> >> *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben >> * >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Feb 19 14:32:51 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 06:32:51 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ??????? ??????? ? ????? ???????? ? ?????? ???????????? ???????????: ??????? Saying to each other "He belongs to me, He belongs to me, not to you," the waves of Yamuna imitate the cow-girls of Gokula. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Tue Feb 19 18:19:39 2019 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 18:19:39 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Journal of Indian History - The Babylonian and Oriental Record - a request for pdfs In-Reply-To: <4522DC9A-F85F-4E7A-8A8E-09E6E1000FFB@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: Thanks to Timothy Cahill for already providing me with the Babylonian and Oriental Record (vol. 8, 1900) pages. Le 19 f?vr. 2019 ? 10:04, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear List, I am looking for .pdf copies of the ? Journal of Indian History vol. 3, 1924 (article by J. Charpentier pp. 161-187). Copies of this issue from the Un. of California and Michigan are listed on HathiTrust here: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000676512 but no access from Europe. ? The Babylonian and Oriental Record vol. 8, 1900 (articles by L.C. Casartelli pp. ?? 41-46, 248-268) See also HathiTrust here: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008888262 (there was in fact one more issue, vol. 9 of 1901, in which I am also interested, before this Journal stops) Thank you for your help, I add below the free-available issues that I was able to find for both journals, Yours, Christophe Vielle Journal of Indian History vol. 1/1 ?, 1921 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.170574 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201056 vol. 1/3, 1922 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.86255 Vol. 5/2, 1926 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.202140 vol. 7, 1928 http://www.archive.org/details/journalofindianh014918mbp https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382544 vol. 8/1, 1929 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201524 vol. 11, 1932 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382545 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.281587 (a few more recent issues at http://www.southasiaarchive.com/Content/sarf.120079 ) The Babylonian and Oriental Record vol. 1, 1886-1887 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01londuoft/ https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01lond/ vol. 2, 1887-1888 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02londuoft https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02lond/ vol. 3, 1888-1889 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03londuoft/ vol. 4, 1889-1890 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04londuoft/ https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03lond/ vol. 5, 1891 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient05londuoft/ https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04lond/ ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Feb 19 19:06:52 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 11:06:52 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, I checked two manuscripts of the A???dhy?y? for ?????????????? and here are the scans: [image: image.png] [image: image.png] In neither of these manuscripts, you see a cluster with ? handing below ?. It would be great if someone could check a manuscript of ?a?tri??at Tattvasandoha for the treatment of the cluster "?tri". Best wishes, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:59 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Will see if I find something. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:53 PM Krishnaprasad G < > krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I will try to search the instance. How about ?????????????? ?? >> >> Thanks >> >> On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 10:16 AM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: >> >>> If you remember a textual occurrence of ????????, it may be easier to >>> check in the manuscript images that I have. Off-hand, I do not remember >>> seeing a ? hanging under ?. >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:18 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji >>>> Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l took >>>> like ????? itself and not the hanging one. >>>> >>>> This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the >>>> time of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. >>>> could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS >>>> Thanks a lot >>>> >>>> Krishna Prasad >>>> Whatsapp Number >>>> 963282891 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>> >>>>> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, >>>>> but here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster >>>>> of "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >>>>> >>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >>>>> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >>>>> >>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >>>>> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>> University of Michigan >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>>>>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>>>>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>>>>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>>>>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>>>>> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>> Some more characters. >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> KP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part >>>>>>>>>>> IV). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>>>>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>>> committee) >>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Feb 19 20:30:39 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 12:30:39 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here is a scan from the printed pothi of the A???dhy?y? by Nirnaya Sagara Press: [image: image.png] Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:06 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > I checked two manuscripts of the A???dhy?y? for ?????????????? and > here are the scans: > [image: image.png] > [image: image.png] > In neither of these manuscripts, you see a cluster with ? handing below > ?. It would be great if someone could check a manuscript of ?a?tri??at > Tattvasandoha for the treatment of the cluster "?tri". Best wishes, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:59 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > >> Will see if I find something. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:53 PM Krishnaprasad G < >> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I will try to search the instance. How about ?????????????? ?? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 10:16 AM Madhav Deshpande, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If you remember a textual occurrence of ????????, it may be easier to >>>> check in the manuscript images that I have. Off-hand, I do not remember >>>> seeing a ? hanging under ?. >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:18 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji >>>>> Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l took >>>>> like ????? itself and not the hanging one. >>>>> >>>>> This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the >>>>> time of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. >>>>> could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS >>>>> Thanks a lot >>>>> >>>>> Krishna Prasad >>>>> Whatsapp Number >>>>> 963282891 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, >>>>>> but here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster >>>>>> of "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >>>>>> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>>>>>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>>>>>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>>>>>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>>>>>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>> Some more characters. >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> KP >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>>>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part >>>>>>>>>>>> IV). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New >>>>>>>>>>> York). Its been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was >>>>>>>>>>> absolutely fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of >>>>>>>>>>> devanagari printing from the earliest printed editions up till fairly >>>>>>>>>>> modern times (when it was published), another volume describes the authors >>>>>>>>>>> ideas for a devanagari typewriter and the third volume focuses on some >>>>>>>>>>> esoteric ideas of the author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>>>> committee) >>>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 21:04:01 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 16:04:01 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Madhav and Krishnaprasad In the KSTS edition of the ?a?tri??attattvasandoha if instead of looking at the devanagari title page you look at the title at the top of each following page the "?" and the "tr" cluster under it are more in proportion and don't look as weird as on the title page. A pdf of the the ?a?tri??attattvasandoha can be downloaded or viewed in the Muktabodha digital library. Its easy to miss the download link so I'll describe how to get there. 1. go to http://muktalib5.org/digital_library_secure_entry.htm 2. click on the link on the page and enter username: muktabodha password: indology 3. click on ?a?tri??attattvasandoha in the left hand panel which brings up its catalogue record in the right hand panel 4. click on the right hand panel and then scroll down until you see "photographic facsimile" with the pdf link underneath it. Harry Spier On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:15 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but > here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of > "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. > > [image: image.png] > On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text > Series, uses such a vertical cluster: > > [image: image.png] > However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, like >> that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other characters. >> The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, ?, ? etc. >> should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether it >> appears in full or half forms of these characters. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear all >>> Some more characters. >>> Thanks >>> KP >>> >>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>> >>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>> >>>>> You can download from here. >>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>> fontspec , manual part IV). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, 1971 >>>>>>> rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>> >>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emstern1948 at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 21:08:52 2019 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 16:08:52 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4BA482D3-1F18-4D5C-9F93-66DC6AAA4F5E@gmail.com> Here?s a detail from the Mysore ms of pad?rthasa?graha??k? ?vyomavat??: Elliot > On Feb 19, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > I checked two manuscripts of the A???dhy?y? for ?????????????? and here are the scans: > > > In neither of these manuscripts, you see a cluster with ? handing below ?. It would be great if someone could check a manuscript of ?a?tri??at Tattvasandoha for the treatment of the cluster "?tri". Best wishes, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:59 AM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > Will see if I find something. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:53 PM Krishnaprasad G > wrote: > I will try to search the instance. How about ?????????????? ?? > > Thanks > > On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 10:16 AM Madhav Deshpande, > wrote: > If you remember a textual occurrence of ????????, it may be easier to check in the manuscript images that I have. Off-hand, I do not remember seeing a ? hanging under ?. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:18 PM Krishnaprasad G > wrote: > > Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji > Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l took like ????? itself and not the hanging one. > > This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the time of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. > could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS > Thanks a lot > > Krishna Prasad > Whatsapp Number > 963282891 > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. > > > On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text Series, uses such a vertical cluster: > > > However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether it appears in full or half forms of these characters. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear all > Some more characters. > Thanks > KP > > On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, > wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of useful resources. With best regards, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G > wrote: > Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. > > You can download from here. > https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier > wrote: > Dominink Wujastyk wrote: > modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through fontspec , manual part IV). > > I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. > > > Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work Typography of Devanagari (3 vols, 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. > > I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the author. I can't recall the details. > > Harry Spier > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Elliot M. Stern 552 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 emstern1948 at gmail.com 267-240-8418 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 21:12:56 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 16:12:56 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A clarification. You have to go to at least page page 2 to see the ? and tra more in proportion. Page 1 is the same as the title page. Harry Spier On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 4:04 PM Harry Spier wrote: > Dear Madhav and Krishnaprasad > In the KSTS edition of the ?a?tri??attattvasandoha if instead of looking > at the devanagari title page you look at the title at the top of each > following page the "?" and the "tr" cluster under it are more in > proportion and don't look as weird as on the title page. > > A pdf of the the ?a?tri??attattvasandoha can be downloaded or viewed in > the Muktabodha digital library. Its easy to miss the download link so I'll > describe how to get there. > 1. go to http://muktalib5.org/digital_library_secure_entry.htm > 2. click on the link on the page and enter username: muktabodha > password: indology > 3. click on ?a?tri??attattvasandoha in the left hand panel which brings up > its catalogue record in the right hand panel > 4. click on the right hand panel and then scroll down until you see > "photographic facsimile" with the pdf link underneath it. > > Harry Spier > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:15 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but >> here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of >> "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >> >> [image: image.png] >> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >> >> [image: image.png] >> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>> >>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all >>>> Some more characters. >>>> Thanks >>>> KP >>>> >>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>> University of Michigan >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part IV). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>>> author. 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URL: From franceschini.marco at fastwebnet.it Tue Feb 19 22:26:53 2019 From: franceschini.marco at fastwebnet.it (Marco Franceschini) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 23:26:53 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Editions_of_Kum=C4=81rasambhava_9-17?= Message-ID: <097D5763-7D35-4569-91DC-7C15B67C29B9@fastwebnet.it> Dear friends and colleagues, at present I am trying to reconstruct the printing history of sargas 9 to 17 of the Kum?rasambhava. I was able to collect the main editions and commentaries of these sargas, with the exception of these three works: ? Maithila Kanakala?arma Thakkura (ed.). Kumarasambhava of Kalidasa. With the commentaries of Mallinatha (sargas 1-8), Sitarama (9-17), Caritravardhana (1-7), Maithila Kanakala Thakkura (9-17). Haridasa-Samskrta-grantha-mala No. 14. Kavyavibhaga 2. Benares: Caukhamba, 1923. ? Govindasastri (ed.), Kumarasambhava. First 8 cantos with Mallinatha?s commentary and the latter half bare text. Bombay: Khemraj Sr?krsnadas, Saka Samvat 1847. ? Kumarasambhava of Kalidasa. With the Commentary (the Sanjivini) of Mallinatha (1-7 Sargas) and of Sitarama (8-17 Sargas). Madras: V. Ramasvami Sastrulu & Sons, 1936. Do you happen to have a pdf of (any of) these works? Or can you kindly point me to a library which can provide me with a soft copy of them? Thank you in advance for your kind help. Best wishes, Marco --- Marco Franceschini ??????????? Senior Assistant Professor University of Bologna Department of History and Cultures marco.franceschini3 at unibo.it www.unibo.it/sitoweb/marco.franceschini3 www.associazioneitalianadistudisanscriti.org --- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 03:23:22 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 19 22:23:22 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Krishnaprasad, I've attached a pdf of 4 examples of the cluster ?tr taken from the the paper transcripts of the IFP . These are handwritten in the 50's and 60's . They are by different scribes and they all use virama. I didn't find any in the IFP transcripts that had the tra underneath, but I stopped searching after these four. Harry Spier On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:15 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but > here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of > "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. > > [image: image.png] > On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text > Series, uses such a vertical cluster: > > [image: image.png] > However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, like >> that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other characters. >> The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, ?, ? etc. >> should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether it >> appears in full or half forms of these characters. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear all >>> Some more characters. >>> Thanks >>> KP >>> >>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>> >>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>> >>>>> You can download from here. >>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>> fontspec , manual part IV). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, 1971 >>>>>>> rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare publication. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>> author. 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URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Thu Feb 21 08:08:53 2019 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 19 08:08:53 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Journal of Indian History - The Babylonian and Oriental Record - a request for pdfs In-Reply-To: <4522DC9A-F85F-4E7A-8A8E-09E6E1000FFB@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: <70F55B1F-C4A1-48AD-88E7-32A341191737@uclouvain.be> Thanks to Will Sweetman for providing me with the copy of Charpentier's article in the Journal of Indian History. Best wishes, Christophe. Le 19 f?vr. 2019 ? 10:04, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : Dear List, I am looking for .pdf copies of the ? Journal of Indian History vol. 3, 1924 (article by J. Charpentier pp. 161-187). Copies of this issue from the Un. of California and Michigan are listed on HathiTrust here: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000676512 but no access from Europe. ? The Babylonian and Oriental Record vol. 8, 1900 (articles by L.C. Casartelli pp. ?? 41-46, 248-268) See also HathiTrust here: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008888262 (there was in fact one more issue, vol. 9 of 1901, in which I am also interested, before this Journal stops) Thank you for your help, I add below the free-available issues that I was able to find for both journals, Yours, Christophe Vielle Journal of Indian History vol. 1/1 ?, 1921 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.170574 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201056 vol. 1/3, 1922 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.86255 Vol. 5/2, 1926 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.202140 vol. 7, 1928 http://www.archive.org/details/journalofindianh014918mbp https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382544 vol. 8/1, 1929 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201524 vol. 11, 1932 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382545 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.281587 (a few more recent issues at http://www.southasiaarchive.com/Content/sarf.120079 ) The Babylonian and Oriental Record vol. 1, 1886-1887 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01londuoft/ https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01lond/ vol. 2, 1887-1888 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02londuoft https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02lond/ vol. 3, 1888-1889 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03londuoft/ vol. 4, 1889-1890 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04londuoft/ https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03lond/ vol. 5, 1891 https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient05londuoft/ https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04lond/ ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vajpeyi at csds.in Thu Feb 21 09:43:50 2019 From: vajpeyi at csds.in (Ananya Vajpeyi) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 19 15:13:50 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Story of Sanskrit (for Women and Non-Brahmins) Message-ID: Dear Shri Varakhedi, Thanks for your notice below. I haven't had a chance to watch the videos yet, but I would like to do so and to respond once I have seen and heard the women scholars you say spoke in Udupi at your function. You and your colleagues at the BVP deserve to be acknowledged for taking very seriously the discussion on caste and gender in Sanskrit Studies initiated in Vancouver last summer. It's heartening that you identified and invited women scholars, from different parts of India and belonging to diverse social backgrounds, to share their experiences and learning with a predominantly male field. I would urge you to go further and also acknowledge that not all women and not all people outside of the traditionally sanctioned Brahmin community have found Sanskrit institutions and discourse to be egalitarian and inclusive, even in today's context. I do hope you can find it possible, given the process of self-examination and self-criticism you must have undertaken, to go back and hear what Dr. Kaushal Panwar was narrating, and to understand the struggles that lie behind what she and so many others have gone through in the present and in the past. Eventually I would like to see a rapprochement between Dr. Panwar and the members of the audience who so rudely interrupted and attacked her (and the rest of us on the panel) at the WSC. I would expect a retraction of the use of terminology and nomenclature that is deemed offensive to the self-respect of social groups that have long faced discrimination, exclusion and violence in the arena of knowledge and education. This is the real goal of telling ALL the stories of Sanskrit that are circulating out there, every one of which has its reality and its relevance, even though they may be difficult to reconcile sometimes with one another, given the massive and deep contradictions in our society. Without mutual respect and the ability to empathise with one another's different experiences, we cannot live together. I look forward to a continuing dialogue. With good wishes, Ananya Vajpeyi. Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 23:25:11 +0530 From: Shrinivasa Varakhedi To: Veeranarayana Pandurangi Cc: indology at list.indology.info Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] " Story of my Sanskrit" at BVP conference Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Colleagues, This is the direct response to the "Open Forum" that has been staged in Vancouver last year. Thanks to the organisers for sharing the link of the event. It is an eye-opening sharing of personal experiences of young women studying/researching/teaching Sanskrit in Indian Academia. The personal stories narrated by these women inform us the current trend of Sanskrit studies in India. Statistics suggests that more than 60% female students are studying and same no of women are enjoying faculty position in some states like Maharashtra, Kerala, and WestBengal. Two among these five women do not belong to so called upper cast (as they narrate). They are speaking in Sanskrit fluently. They are encouraged to study Veda, Shastras along with others. No discrimination is experienced. This is the REAL story of Sanskrit. https://youtu.be/jVq7OjL3Oz4 Interestingly NO response/feedback/discussion is initiated. Other part of the continued story is the Mahila Vakyartha Goshthi. The exposition of Shastrarthas by these young women was astonishing. You will really wonder to experience the quality of presentation of ideas without any error or confusion at any point. The clarity and exhibition of confidence are beyond words. These are ?unheard voices? in real sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc> I appreciate the response from scholarly fraternity on these events. Warm regards, Shrinivasa Varakhedi -- *Ananya Vajpeyi * *Fellow and Associate Professor* *Centre for the Study of Developing Societies* *29 Rajpur Road, Civil Lines* *New Delhi 110054* *e: vajpeyi at csds.in * *ext: 229* *http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beitel at gwu.edu Thu Feb 21 11:38:19 2019 From: beitel at gwu.edu (Alfred Hiltebeitel) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 19 06:38:19 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] article request In-Reply-To: <70F55B1F-C4A1-48AD-88E7-32A341191737@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: Dear Colleaguess, Is there someone who could supply me with a copy of the following article[ David Shulman. 2010. ?Notes on Camatk?ra.? In David Shulman, ed. *Language,** Ritual and Poetics in Ancient India* *and **Iran: Studies in Honor of Shaul Migron**,* 252-84. Jerusalem: Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities Thanks very much, AlfHiltebeitel On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:09 AM Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Thanks to Will Sweetman for providing me with the copy of Charpentier's > article in the Journal of Indian History. > Best wishes, > Christophe. > > Le 19 f?vr. 2019 ? 10:04, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > > Dear List, > > I am looking for .pdf copies of the > > ? Journal of Indian History vol. 3, 1924 (article by J. Charpentier pp. > 161-187). > Copies of this issue from the Un. of California and Michigan are listed on > HathiTrust here: > https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000676512 > but no access from Europe. > > ? The Babylonian and Oriental Record vol. 8, 1900 (articles by L.C. > Casartelli pp. ?? 41-46, 248-268) > See also HathiTrust here: > https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008888262 > (there was in fact one more issue, vol. 9 of 1901, in which I am also > interested, before this Journal stops) > > Thank you for your help, > > I add below the free-available issues that I was able to find for both > journals, > > Yours, > > Christophe Vielle > > > Journal of Indian History > > vol. 1/1 ?, 1921 > > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.170574 > > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201056 > > vol. 1/3, 1922 > > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.86255 > > Vol. 5/2, 1926 > > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.202140 > > vol. 7, 1928 > > http://www.archive.org/details/journalofindianh014918mbp > > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382544 > > vol. 8/1, 1929 > > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201524 > > vol. 11, 1932 > > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382545 > > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.281587 > > (a few more recent issues at > > http://www.southasiaarchive.com/Content/sarf.120079 ) > > > The Babylonian and Oriental Record > vol. 1, 1886-1887 > https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01londuoft/ > https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01lond/ > > vol. 2, 1887-1888 > > https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02londuoft > https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02lond/ > > vol. 3, 1888-1889 > > https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03londuoft/ > > vol. 4, 1889-1890 > > https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04londuoft/ > > https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03lond/ > > vol. 5, 1891 > https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient05londuoft/ > https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04lond/ > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Alf Hiltebeitel Professor of Religion, History and Human Sciences Department of Religion George Washington University 2106 G Street, NW Washington DC, 20052 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it Thu Feb 21 13:07:31 2019 From: raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it (Raffaele Torella) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 19 14:07:31 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] article request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Alf, here is the article you are looking for. Time ago, David himself was so kind as to prepare a pdf for me of this article, not easily available. Cari saluti Raffaele > Il giorno 21 feb 2019, alle ore 12:38, Alfred Hiltebeitel via INDOLOGY ha scritto: > > > Dear Colleaguess, > > Is there someone who could supply me with a copy of the following article[ > David Shulman. 2010. ?Notes on Camatk?ra.? In David Shulman, ed. Language, Ritual and Poetics in Ancient India and Iran: Studies in Honor of Shaul Migron, 252-84. Jerusalem: Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities > > Thanks very much, > > AlfHiltebeitel > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:09 AM Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Thanks to Will Sweetman for providing me with the copy of Charpentier's article in the Journal of Indian History. > Best wishes, > Christophe. > >> Le 19 f?vr. 2019 ? 10:04, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : >> >> Dear List, >> >> I am looking for .pdf copies of the >> >> ? Journal of Indian History vol. 3, 1924 (article by J. Charpentier pp. 161-187). >> Copies of this issue from the Un. of California and Michigan are listed on HathiTrust here: >> https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000676512 >> but no access from Europe. >> >> ? The Babylonian and Oriental Record vol. 8, 1900 (articles by L.C. Casartelli pp. ?? 41-46, 248-268) >> See also HathiTrust here: >> https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008888262 >> (there was in fact one more issue, vol. 9 of 1901, in which I am also interested, before this Journal stops) >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> I add below the free-available issues that I was able to find for both journals, >> >> Yours, >> >> Christophe Vielle >> >> >> Journal of Indian History >> >> vol. 1/1 ?, 1921 >> >> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.170574 >> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201056 >> vol. 1/3, 1922 >> >> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.86255 >> Vol. 5/2, 1926 >> >> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.202140 >> vol. 7, 1928 >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/journalofindianh014918mbp >> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382544 >> vol. 8/1, 1929 >> >> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201524 >> vol. 11, 1932 >> >> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382545 >> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.281587 >> (a few more recent issues at >> >> http://www.southasiaarchive.com/Content/sarf.120079 ) >> >> >> The Babylonian and Oriental Record >> >> vol. 1, 1886-1887 >> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01londuoft/ >> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01lond/ >> vol. 2, 1887-1888 >> >> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02londuoft >> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02lond/ >> vol. 3, 1888-1889 >> >> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03londuoft / >> >> vol. 4, 1889-1890 >> >> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04londuoft/ >> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03lond/ >> vol. 5, 1891 >> >> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient05londuoft/ >> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04lond/ >> >> ??????????????????? >> Christophe Vielle >> Louvain-la-Neuve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > -- > Alf Hiltebeitel > Professor of Religion, History and Human Sciences > Department of Religion > George Washington University > 2106 G Street, NW > Washington DC, 20052 > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Prof. Raffaele Torella Chair of Sanskrit Sapienza University of Rome www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Time ago, David himself was so kind as to prepare a pdf for me of this article, not easily available. > > Cari saluti > Raffaele > > >> Il giorno 21 feb 2019, alle ore 12:38, Alfred Hiltebeitel via INDOLOGY > ha scritto: >> >> >> Dear Colleaguess, >> >> Is there someone who could supply me with a copy of the following article[ >> David Shulman. 2010. ?Notes on Camatk?ra.? In David Shulman, ed. Language, Ritual and Poetics in Ancient India and Iran: Studies in Honor of Shaul Migron, 252-84. Jerusalem: Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities >> >> Thanks very much, >> >> AlfHiltebeitel >> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:09 AM Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> Thanks to Will Sweetman for providing me with the copy of Charpentier's article in the Journal of Indian History. >> Best wishes, >> Christophe. >> >>> Le 19 f?vr. 2019 ? 10:04, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : >>> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> I am looking for .pdf copies of the >>> >>> ? Journal of Indian History vol. 3, 1924 (article by J. Charpentier pp. 161-187). >>> Copies of this issue from the Un. of California and Michigan are listed on HathiTrust here: >>> https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000676512 >>> but no access from Europe. >>> >>> ? The Babylonian and Oriental Record vol. 8, 1900 (articles by L.C. Casartelli pp. ?? 41-46, 248-268) >>> See also HathiTrust here: >>> https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008888262 >>> (there was in fact one more issue, vol. 9 of 1901, in which I am also interested, before this Journal stops) >>> >>> Thank you for your help, >>> >>> I add below the free-available issues that I was able to find for both journals, >>> >>> Yours, >>> >>> Christophe Vielle >>> >>> >>> Journal of Indian History >>> >>> vol. 1/1 ?, 1921 >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.170574 >>> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201056 >>> vol. 1/3, 1922 >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.86255 >>> Vol. 5/2, 1926 >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.202140 >>> vol. 7, 1928 >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/journalofindianh014918mbp >>> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382544 >>> vol. 8/1, 1929 >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.201524 >>> vol. 11, 1932 >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.382545 >>> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.281587 >>> (a few more recent issues at >>> >>> http://www.southasiaarchive.com/Content/sarf.120079 ) >>> >>> >>> >>> The Babylonian and Oriental Record >>> >>> vol. 1, 1886-1887 >>> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01londuoft/ >>> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient01lond/ >>> vol. 2, 1887-1888 >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02londuoft >>> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient02lond/ >>> vol. 3, 1888-1889 >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03londuoft / >>> >>> vol. 4, 1889-1890 >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04londuoft/ >>> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient03lond/ >>> vol. 5, 1891 >>> >>> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient05londuoft/ >>> https://archive.org/details/babylonianorient04lond/ >>> >>> ??????????????????? >>> Christophe Vielle >>> Louvain-la-Neuve >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> ??????????????????? >> Christophe Vielle >> Louvain-la-Neuve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> -- >> Alf Hiltebeitel >> Professor of Religion, History and Human Sciences >> Department of Religion >> George Washington University >> 2106 G Street, NW >> Washington DC, 20052 >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > Prof. Raffaele Torella > Chair of Sanskrit > Sapienza University of Rome > www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Elliot M. 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Given the sad history of the museum, many of these fragments may be lost; some, I have also been told, ended up in the Sch?yen collection in Sweden and were returned to the museum a few years ago. Apparently there are more photos of these MSS, but I would just like to know about this Humbach set. Any help would be sincerely appreciated! *namaskaromi,* Diego Loukota -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 13:54:48 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 19 19:24:48 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Sri Deshpande Ji I am very much grateful to you. Thanks a lot On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 12:37 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > I checked two manuscripts of the A???dhy?y? for ?????????????? and > here are the scans: > [image: image.png] > [image: image.png] > In neither of these manuscripts, you see a cluster with ? handing below > ?. It would be great if someone could check a manuscript of ?a?tri??at > Tattvasandoha for the treatment of the cluster "?tri". Best wishes, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:59 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > >> Will see if I find something. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:53 PM Krishnaprasad G < >> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I will try to search the instance. How about ?????????????? ?? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 10:16 AM Madhav Deshpande, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If you remember a textual occurrence of ????????, it may be easier to >>>> check in the manuscript images that I have. Off-hand, I do not remember >>>> seeing a ? hanging under ?. >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:18 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji >>>>> Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l took >>>>> like ????? itself and not the hanging one. >>>>> >>>>> This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the >>>>> time of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. >>>>> could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS >>>>> Thanks a lot >>>>> >>>>> Krishna Prasad >>>>> Whatsapp Number >>>>> 963282891 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, >>>>>> but here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster >>>>>> of "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >>>>>> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>>>>>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>>>>>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>>>>>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>>>>>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>> Some more characters. >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> KP >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>>>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part >>>>>>>>>>>> IV). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New >>>>>>>>>>> York). Its been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was >>>>>>>>>>> absolutely fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of >>>>>>>>>>> devanagari printing from the earliest printed editions up till fairly >>>>>>>>>>> modern times (when it was published), another volume describes the authors >>>>>>>>>>> ideas for a devanagari typewriter and the third volume focuses on some >>>>>>>>>>> esoteric ideas of the author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>>>> committee) >>>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 14:01:28 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 19 19:31:28 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Harry Spier Thanks a lot this great. You helped me a lot. Dear all before creating fonts I was searching a lot for the most used conjuncts in Sanskrit(not Vedic) but could not found, I am glad that Dominik Wujastyk is going to send the list and I am waiting for that. And for benefit of others, I am sharing all the important conjuncts here. ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:53 AM Harry Spier wrote: > > Dear Krishnaprasad, > I've attached a pdf of 4 examples of the cluster ?tr taken from the the > paper transcripts of the IFP . These are handwritten in the 50's and 60's > . They are by different scribes and they all use virama. I didn't find > any in the IFP transcripts that had the tra underneath, but I stopped > searching after these four. > > Harry Spier > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:15 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but >> here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of >> "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >> >> [image: image.png] >> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >> >> [image: image.png] >> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>> >>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all >>>> Some more characters. >>>> Thanks >>>> KP >>>> >>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>> University of Michigan >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part IV). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 14:02:56 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 19 19:32:56 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: <4BA482D3-1F18-4D5C-9F93-66DC6AAA4F5E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Elliot Stern Thanks a lot for sending the image of MSS. I am grateful to you. Thanks KP On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:38 AM Elliot Stern wrote: > Here?s a detail from the Mysore ms of pad?rthasa?graha??k? ?vyomavat??: > > > > Elliot > > On Feb 19, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, > > I checked two manuscripts of the A???dhy?y? for ?????????????? and > here are the scans: > [image: image.png] > [image: image.png] > In neither of these manuscripts, you see a cluster with ? handing below > ?. It would be great if someone could check a manuscript of ?a?tri??at > Tattvasandoha for the treatment of the cluster "?tri". Best wishes, > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:59 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > >> Will see if I find something. >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:53 PM Krishnaprasad G < >> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I will try to search the instance. How about ?????????????? ?? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 10:16 AM Madhav Deshpande, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If you remember a textual occurrence of ????????, it may be easier to >>>> check in the manuscript images that I have. Off-hand, I do not remember >>>> seeing a ? hanging under ?. >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:18 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji >>>>> Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l took >>>>> like ????? itself and not the hanging one. >>>>> >>>>> This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the >>>>> time of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. >>>>> could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS >>>>> Thanks a lot >>>>> >>>>> Krishna Prasad >>>>> Whatsapp Number >>>>> 963282891 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, >>>>>> but here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster >>>>>> of "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >>>>>> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>>>>>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>>>>>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>>>>>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>>>>>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>> Some more characters. >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> KP >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>>>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part >>>>>>>>>>>> IV). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New >>>>>>>>>>> York). Its been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was >>>>>>>>>>> absolutely fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of >>>>>>>>>>> devanagari printing from the earliest printed editions up till fairly >>>>>>>>>>> modern times (when it was published), another volume describes the authors >>>>>>>>>>> ideas for a devanagari typewriter and the third volume focuses on some >>>>>>>>>>> esoteric ideas of the author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>>>> committee) >>>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > Elliot M. Stern > 552 South 48th Street > Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 > emstern1948 at gmail.com > 267-240-8418 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Feb 21 14:10:24 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 19 06:10:24 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Krishnaprasad, As a P??inian, I would suggest that you look at the Nirnaya Sagar Pothi print of the A???dhy?y? for Sanskrit conjuncts. So many conjuncts that occur in the A???dhy?y? do not occur anywhere else, and yet we must be able to represent those in a serious Sanskrit font. The other issue that occurs to me is the ability to combine accent marks and candrabindu for nasality. The other complicated representation of Devanagari occurs in the writing of ?ukla Yajurveda, where numerous conjuncts occur that are normally not seen elsewhere. Again the Nirnaya Sagara pothi prints are very useful in this regard. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 6:03 AM Krishnaprasad G wrote: > Dear Elliot Stern > Thanks a lot for sending the image of MSS. I am grateful to you. > Thanks > KP > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:38 AM Elliot Stern > wrote: > >> Here?s a detail from the Mysore ms of pad?rthasa?graha??k? ?vyomavat??: >> >> >> >> Elliot >> >> On Feb 19, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >> >> I checked two manuscripts of the A???dhy?y? for ?????????????? and >> here are the scans: >> [image: image.png] >> [image: image.png] >> In neither of these manuscripts, you see a cluster with ? handing below >> ?. It would be great if someone could check a manuscript of ?a?tri??at >> Tattvasandoha for the treatment of the cluster "?tri". Best wishes, >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:59 AM Madhav Deshpande >> wrote: >> >>> Will see if I find something. >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:53 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I will try to search the instance. How about ?????????????? ?? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 10:16 AM Madhav Deshpande, >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you remember a textual occurrence of ????????, it may be easier to >>>>> check in the manuscript images that I have. Off-hand, I do not remember >>>>> seeing a ? hanging under ?. >>>>> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>> University of Michigan >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:18 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji >>>>>> Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l took >>>>>> like ????? itself and not the hanging one. >>>>>> >>>>>> This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the >>>>>> time of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. >>>>>> could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS >>>>>> Thanks a lot >>>>>> >>>>>> Krishna Prasad >>>>>> Whatsapp Number >>>>>> 963282891 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, >>>>>>> but here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster >>>>>>> of "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >>>>>>> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal >>>>>>>> lines, like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>>>>>>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>>>>>>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>>>>>>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>> Some more characters. >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> KP >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>>>>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>>>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>>>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part >>>>>>>>>>>>> IV). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> vols, 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New >>>>>>>>>>>> York). Its been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was >>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of >>>>>>>>>>>> devanagari printing from the earliest printed editions up till fairly >>>>>>>>>>>> modern times (when it was published), another volume describes the authors >>>>>>>>>>>> ideas for a devanagari typewriter and the third volume focuses on some >>>>>>>>>>>> esoteric ideas of the author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's >>>>>>>>> managing committee) >>>>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> >> >> Elliot M. Stern >> 552 South 48th Street >> Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 >> emstern1948 at gmail.com >> 267-240-8418 >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 14:12:32 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 19 19:42:32 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Prof Deshpande Ji This is an eye opener information. Thanks a lot. I will search pothi edition online. But if, for you, easily accessible could you please share the pdf. Thanks a lot. On Thu 21 Feb, 2019, 7:41 PM Madhav Deshpande, wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad, > > As a P??inian, I would suggest that you look at the Nirnaya Sagar > Pothi print of the A???dhy?y? for Sanskrit conjuncts. So many conjuncts > that occur in the A???dhy?y? do not occur anywhere else, and yet we must be > able to represent those in a serious Sanskrit font. The other issue that > occurs to me is the ability to combine accent marks and candrabindu for > nasality. The other complicated representation of Devanagari occurs in the > writing of ?ukla Yajurveda, where numerous conjuncts occur that are > normally not seen elsewhere. Again the Nirnaya Sagara pothi prints are > very useful in this regard. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 6:03 AM Krishnaprasad G < > krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Elliot Stern >> Thanks a lot for sending the image of MSS. I am grateful to you. >> Thanks >> KP >> >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:38 AM Elliot Stern >> wrote: >> >>> Here?s a detail from the Mysore ms of pad?rthasa?graha??k? ?vyomavat??: >>> >>> >>> >>> Elliot >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>> >>> I checked two manuscripts of the A???dhy?y? for ?????????????? and >>> here are the scans: >>> [image: image.png] >>> [image: image.png] >>> In neither of these manuscripts, you see a cluster with ? handing below >>> ?. It would be great if someone could check a manuscript of ?a?tri??at >>> Tattvasandoha for the treatment of the cluster "?tri". Best wishes, >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:59 AM Madhav Deshpande >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Will see if I find something. >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:53 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will try to search the instance. How about ?????????????? ?? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 10:16 AM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you remember a textual occurrence of ????????, it may be easier to >>>>>> check in the manuscript images that I have. Off-hand, I do not remember >>>>>> seeing a ? hanging under ?. >>>>>> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:18 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Sri Madhav Deshpande Acharya Ji >>>>>>> Thanks a lot for providing the images of ?????, and personally l >>>>>>> took like ????? itself and not the hanging one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This we can change in rules. If 2 or 3 seconds pause is given at the >>>>>>> time of typeset we will get ????? otherwise we will get the hanging one. >>>>>>> could you please suggest how ???????? is written in old MSS >>>>>>> Thanks a lot >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Krishna Prasad >>>>>>> Whatsapp Number >>>>>>> 963282891 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:45 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't have access to a manuscript of >>>>>>>> ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but here is the title page of the printed book >>>>>>>> that does not use a cluster of "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" >>>>>>>> with a vir?ma sign. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>>> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir >>>>>>>> Text Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>>> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal >>>>>>>>> lines, like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>>>>>>>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>>>>>>>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>>>>>>>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>>>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all >>>>>>>>>> Some more characters. >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> KP >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth >>>>>>>>>>> of useful resources. With best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>>>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>>>>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>>>>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fontspec , manual >>>>>>>>>>>>>> part IV). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you >>>>>>>>>>>>> to create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use >>>>>>>>>>>>> the professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says >>>>>>>>>>>>> that the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home >>>>>>>>>>>>> edition cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on >>>>>>>>>>>>> windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vols, 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New >>>>>>>>>>>>> York). Its been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was >>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of >>>>>>>>>>>>> devanagari printing from the earliest printed editions up till fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>> modern times (when it was published), another volume describes the authors >>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas for a devanagari typewriter and the third volume focuses on some >>>>>>>>>>>>> esoteric ideas of the author. 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URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 20:13:00 2019 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 01:43:00 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Story of Sanskrit (for Women and Non-Brahmins) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What happened at Udupi was not a 'function'. It was a conference three day long conference with multiple parallel sessions of paper presentations and plenaries, ashtaavadhaanam, Mahilaa vaakyaartha sadas , videos of which were forwarded by Prof. Pandurangi to this list. This all women session of their own stories of Sanskrit was part of the various such activities in the conference. Sanskrit studies in modern schools , colleges and universities being limited to the Brahmin community or males is an obsolete information. Right from the time of the founding of Arya Samaj, universities, gurukulas and other institutions founded and run by Arya Samaj, a huge number of erudite nonbrahmin and women Sanskrit scholars have been produced out of these institutions. These women scholars went on to found and run all girl , all women Veda and Sanskrit institutions all over the country proliferating women erudition in Sanskrit and Vedas. In government institutes where Sanskrit is. taught students from diverse social backgrounds have been opting Sanskrit. All women and all girls institutes run by government and private managements have been offering Sanskrit and these courses attracted considerable number of students from diverse social in these all female institutes. At universities, departments of Sanskrit all over the country have been getting more number of women students than men students from very early days. Prof. Deshpande confirmed this situation from his own experience of his student days. Even today that is the situation. Apart from Arya Samaj, many modern 'Hindu' movements and :Hindu' spiritual organisations have been encouraging women's participation in Veda , Sanskrit and Shaastra learning. There are many women swaminis, Brahmacharinis and other women spiritual leaders with very good command over Sanskrit and Shaastras. All such ground reality not getting properly represented is what gets countered by such vaakyaartha and sessions . part On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 3:15 PM Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear Shri Varakhedi, > > Thanks for your notice below. I haven't had a chance to watch the videos > yet, but I would like to do so and to respond once I have seen and heard > the women scholars you say spoke in Udupi at your function. > > You and your colleagues at the BVP deserve to be acknowledged for taking > very seriously the discussion on caste and gender in Sanskrit Studies > initiated in Vancouver last summer. It's heartening that you identified and > invited women scholars, from different parts of India and belonging to > diverse social backgrounds, to share their experiences and learning with a > predominantly male field. > > I would urge you to go further and also acknowledge that not all women and > not all people outside of the traditionally sanctioned Brahmin community > have found Sanskrit institutions and discourse to be egalitarian and > inclusive, even in today's context. I do hope you can find it possible, > given the process of self-examination and self-criticism you must have > undertaken, to go back and hear what Dr. Kaushal Panwar was narrating, and > to understand the struggles that lie behind what she and so many others > have gone through in the present and in the past. > > Eventually I would like to see a rapprochement between Dr. Panwar and the > members of the audience who so rudely interrupted and attacked her (and the > rest of us on the panel) at the WSC. I would expect a retraction of the use > of terminology and nomenclature that is deemed offensive to the > self-respect of social groups that have long faced discrimination, > exclusion and violence in the arena of knowledge and education. > > This is the real goal of telling ALL the stories of Sanskrit that are > circulating out there, every one of which has its reality and its > relevance, even though they may be difficult to reconcile sometimes with > one another, given the massive and deep contradictions in our society. > Without mutual respect and the ability to empathise with one another's > different experiences, we cannot live together. > > I look forward to a continuing dialogue. > > With good wishes, > > Ananya Vajpeyi. > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 23:25:11 +0530 > From: Shrinivasa Varakhedi > To: Veeranarayana Pandurangi > Cc: indology at list.indology.info > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] " Story of my Sanskrit" at BVP conference > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Colleagues, > > This is the direct response to the "Open Forum" that has been staged in > Vancouver last year. Thanks to the organisers for sharing the link of the > event. It is an eye-opening sharing of personal experiences of young women > studying/researching/teaching Sanskrit in Indian Academia. The personal > stories narrated by these women inform us the current trend of Sanskrit > studies in India. Statistics suggests that more than 60% female students > are studying and same no of women are enjoying faculty position in some > states like Maharashtra, Kerala, and WestBengal. Two among these five women > do not belong to so called upper cast (as they narrate). They are speaking > in Sanskrit fluently. They are encouraged to study Veda, Shastras along > with others. No discrimination is experienced. This is the REAL story of > Sanskrit. > > https://youtu.be/jVq7OjL3Oz4 > > Interestingly NO response/feedback/discussion is initiated. Other part of > the continued story is the Mahila Vakyartha Goshthi. The exposition of > Shastrarthas by these young women was astonishing. You will really wonder > to experience the quality of presentation of ideas without any error or > confusion at any point. The clarity and exhibition of confidence are beyond > words. These are ?unheard voices? in real sense. > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo < > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc < > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc> > > I appreciate the response from scholarly fraternity on these events. > > Warm regards, > Shrinivasa Varakhedi > > -- > > *Ananya Vajpeyi * > *Fellow and Associate Professor* > *Centre for the Study of Developing Societies* > *29 Rajpur Road, Civil Lines* > *New Delhi 110054* > *e: vajpeyi at csds.in * > *ext: 229* > > *http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In David Shulman, ed. > *Language,** > Ritual and Poetics in Ancient India* *and **Iran: Studies in Honor of Shaul > Migron**,* 252-84. Jerusalem: Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities > > Thanks very much, > > AlfHiltebeitel > -- Alf Hiltebeitel Professor of Religion, History and Human Sciences Department of Religion George Washington University 2106 G Street, NW Washington DC, 20052 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 07:46:44 2019 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 13:16:44 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Story of Sanskrit (for Women and Non-Brahmins) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Coming to the session on Gender and Caste at WSC, Vancouver which resulted in the grand success of the huge conference with variegated topics covered through a very great number of excellent papers get overshadowed by the happenings at one minor part of the whole event, the discussion was put to rest through Prof. Adheesh Sathaye's post in this list at http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2018-August/142744.html On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 1:43 AM Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > What happened at Udupi was not a 'function'. It was a conference three day > long conference with multiple parallel sessions of paper presentations and > plenaries, ashtaavadhaanam, Mahilaa vaakyaartha sadas , videos of which > were forwarded by Prof. Pandurangi to this list. This all women session of > their own stories of Sanskrit was part of the various such activities in > the conference. > > Sanskrit studies in modern schools , colleges and universities being > limited to the Brahmin community or males is an obsolete information. > > Right from the time of the founding of Arya Samaj, universities, gurukulas > and other institutions founded and run by Arya Samaj, a huge number of > erudite nonbrahmin and women Sanskrit scholars have been produced out of > these institutions. These women scholars went on to found and run all girl > , all women Veda and Sanskrit institutions all over the country > proliferating women erudition in Sanskrit and Vedas. > > In government institutes where Sanskrit is. taught students from diverse > social backgrounds have been opting Sanskrit. All women and all girls > institutes run by government and private managements have been offering > Sanskrit and these courses attracted considerable number of students from > diverse social in these all female institutes. > > At universities, departments of Sanskrit all over the country have been > getting more number of women students than men students from very early > days. Prof. Deshpande confirmed this situation from his own experience of > his student days. > Even today that is the situation. > > Apart from Arya Samaj, many modern 'Hindu' movements and :Hindu' spiritual > organisations have been encouraging women's participation in Veda , > Sanskrit and Shaastra learning. There are many women swaminis, > Brahmacharinis and other women spiritual leaders with very good command > over Sanskrit and Shaastras. > > All such ground reality not getting properly represented is what gets > countered by such vaakyaartha and sessions . > > > part > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 3:15 PM Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> >> Dear Shri Varakhedi, >> >> Thanks for your notice below. I haven't had a chance to watch the videos >> yet, but I would like to do so and to respond once I have seen and heard >> the women scholars you say spoke in Udupi at your function. >> >> You and your colleagues at the BVP deserve to be acknowledged for taking >> very seriously the discussion on caste and gender in Sanskrit Studies >> initiated in Vancouver last summer. It's heartening that you identified and >> invited women scholars, from different parts of India and belonging to >> diverse social backgrounds, to share their experiences and learning with a >> predominantly male field. >> >> I would urge you to go further and also acknowledge that not all women >> and not all people outside of the traditionally sanctioned Brahmin >> community have found Sanskrit institutions and discourse to be egalitarian >> and inclusive, even in today's context. I do hope you can find it possible, >> given the process of self-examination and self-criticism you must have >> undertaken, to go back and hear what Dr. Kaushal Panwar was narrating, and >> to understand the struggles that lie behind what she and so many others >> have gone through in the present and in the past. >> >> Eventually I would like to see a rapprochement between Dr. Panwar and the >> members of the audience who so rudely interrupted and attacked her (and the >> rest of us on the panel) at the WSC. I would expect a retraction of the use >> of terminology and nomenclature that is deemed offensive to the >> self-respect of social groups that have long faced discrimination, >> exclusion and violence in the arena of knowledge and education. >> >> This is the real goal of telling ALL the stories of Sanskrit that are >> circulating out there, every one of which has its reality and its >> relevance, even though they may be difficult to reconcile sometimes with >> one another, given the massive and deep contradictions in our society. >> Without mutual respect and the ability to empathise with one another's >> different experiences, we cannot live together. >> >> I look forward to a continuing dialogue. >> >> With good wishes, >> >> Ananya Vajpeyi. >> >> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 23:25:11 +0530 >> From: Shrinivasa Varakhedi >> To: Veeranarayana Pandurangi >> Cc: indology at list.indology.info >> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] " Story of my Sanskrit" at BVP conference >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> This is the direct response to the "Open Forum" that has been staged in >> Vancouver last year. Thanks to the organisers for sharing the link of the >> event. It is an eye-opening sharing of personal experiences of young women >> studying/researching/teaching Sanskrit in Indian Academia. The personal >> stories narrated by these women inform us the current trend of Sanskrit >> studies in India. Statistics suggests that more than 60% female students >> are studying and same no of women are enjoying faculty position in some >> states like Maharashtra, Kerala, and WestBengal. Two among these five women >> do not belong to so called upper cast (as they narrate). They are speaking >> in Sanskrit fluently. They are encouraged to study Veda, Shastras along >> with others. No discrimination is experienced. This is the REAL story of >> Sanskrit. >> >> https://youtu.be/jVq7OjL3Oz4 >> >> Interestingly NO response/feedback/discussion is initiated. Other part of >> the continued story is the Mahila Vakyartha Goshthi. The exposition of >> Shastrarthas by these young women was astonishing. You will really wonder >> to experience the quality of presentation of ideas without any error or >> confusion at any point. The clarity and exhibition of confidence are beyond >> words. These are ?unheard voices? in real sense. >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo < >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOuxiYbVpo> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc < >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMp9ngdvzSc> >> >> I appreciate the response from scholarly fraternity on these events. >> >> Warm regards, >> Shrinivasa Varakhedi >> >> -- >> >> *Ananya Vajpeyi * >> *Fellow and Associate Professor* >> *Centre for the Study of Developing Societies* >> *29 Rajpur Road, Civil Lines* >> *New Delhi 110054* >> *e: vajpeyi at csds.in * >> *ext: 229* >> >> *http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm >> * >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 14:40:16 2019 From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 15:40:16 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anthropology of memory and South Asian studies Message-ID: Dear all, I am writing to ask if you know any study based on and that (also critically) debate concepts such as "cultural memory", "cultural identity", "hot memory" and "cold memory" in the light of a South Asian (modern) religious system. I know regarding research that are going on and that are studing on the relationship between Puranic mythology and oral traditions. But I would like to know if there is something that focuses on the relationship between "cultural memory" and "cultural identity", ritual and past (in a South Asian context). Sincerely, Paolo -- *Paolo E. Rosati * *PhD in Civilizations of Asia and Africa (South Asia Section)Italian Institute of Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome* *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ * paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Skype: paoloe.rosati Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Feb 22 14:40:21 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 06:40:21 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????????????????????????????????????: ? ??????? ???????? ??????????????: ??????? Excited with immense delight due to the footsteps of Krishna, the waves of Yamuna sing songs of his victory [over the dragon Kaliya]. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 16:57:28 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 09:57:28 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Seeking unpublished paper by Simon Digby Message-ID: There's a 1970 conference presentation by Simon: - "Anecdotes of Jogis in Sufi Hagiography," Proceedings of the Seminar on Aspects of Religion in South Asia, cyclostyle, London 1970. It's sometimes called "Encounters with Jogis in Indian Sufi Hagiography," I believe. If you have a copy, I would be very grateful if you would share it with me. Many thanks, Dominik -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.sarbacker at oregonstate.edu Fri Feb 22 20:52:46 2019 From: stuart.sarbacker at oregonstate.edu (Stuart Ray Sarbacker) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 12:52:46 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Vimuttimagga--yogin/yog=C4=81vacara?= Message-ID: <69053481-237A-484B-AA17-E492F4519B40@oregonstate.edu> Greetings, In looking at two variant studies of Upatissa?s Vimuttimagga, I?ve noticed that in one (Ehara/Thera/Thera, 1961) that the term ?yogin? is frequently utilized, whereas in the other (Bapat, 1931) the (equivalent?) term used is ?yog?vacara.? Given that the terminology of the Vimuttimagga is being re-translated into P?li from Chinese, I?m wondering if anyone can provide clarification as to (1) what Chinese term is being translated as such; and (2) what would be a more accurate translation (if there is one) of that term, and why. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Best Wishes, Stuart ___ Stuart Ray Sarbacker Associate Professor School of History, Philosophy, and Religion Oregon State University http://liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/users/stuart-ray-sarbacker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cchli at cantab.net Fri Feb 22 21:55:01 2019 From: cchli at cantab.net (Charles Li) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 13:55:01 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_the_H=C4=81r=C4=ABta_Dharmas=C5=ABtra?= Message-ID: <94222caa-7dbc-c0f1-6ed1-446953580f6f@cantab.net> Dear all, I've fallen into a bit of a rabbit hole looking into the dharmas?tra/dharma??stra attributed to H?r?ta. Julius Jolly, in 1896, writes about a 17th-century manuscript of this text, complete in 30 chapters: https://books.google.ca/books?id=RhsoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147#v=onepage&q&f=false But it does not seem to have ever been published. However, I found this 1994 book that seems to make reference to specific passages from the 30th chapter of the H?r?ta Dharmas?tra: https://books.google.ca/books?id=idERT6Tg4MMC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false This definitely seems to be referring to the abovementioned 30-chapter text, rather than to shorter works attributed to H?r?ta (such as the H?r?tasa?hit?, Laghuh?r?tasm?ti, V?ddhah?r?tasm?ti, etc.) Does anyone know if any work has been done on the H?r?ta Dharmas?tra in the past hundred years or so? Jolly published a collection of quotations from it in 1890 (/Abhandlungen der philosophisch-philologischen Classe der K?niglich Bayerischen Akademie der Wissenschaften/ 18), but I have been unable to access it. 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Julius Jolly, in 1896, writes about a 17th-century manuscript of this text, complete in 30 chapters: https://books.google.ca/books?id=RhsoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147#v=onepage&q&f=false But it does not seem to have ever been published. However, I found this 1994 book that seems to make reference to specific passages from the 30th chapter of the H?r?ta Dharmas?tra: https://books.google.ca/books?id=idERT6Tg4MMC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false This definitely seems to be referring to the abovementioned 30-chapter text, rather than to shorter works attributed to H?r?ta (such as the H?r?tasa?hit?, Laghuh?r?tasm?ti, V?ddhah?r?tasm?ti, etc.) Does anyone know if any work has been done on the H?r?ta Dharmas?tra in the past hundred years or so? Jolly published a collection of quotations from it in 1890 (Abhandlungen der philosophisch-philologischen Classe der K?niglich Bayerischen Akademie der Wissenschaften 18), but I have been unable to access it. 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Best to All, Brad Clough On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > There's a 1970 conference presentation by Simon: > > - "Anecdotes of Jogis in Sufi Hagiography," Proceedings of the Seminar > on Aspects of Religion in South Asia, cyclostyle, London 1970. > > It's sometimes called "Encounters with Jogis in Indian Sufi Hagiography," > I believe. > > If you have a copy, I would be very grateful if you would share it with me. > > Many thanks, > Dominik > > > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 23:02:07 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 16:02:07 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Correction and updates of Nirnay Sagar Fonts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Found it! It was done in 1990 by James E. Agenbroad, and is called "Difficult Characters ." It was presented as a paper at the 33rd International Congress of Asian and North African Studies in Toronto in 1990. Agenbroad lists 866 conjunct characters. -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 07:23, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Harry Spier > Thanks a lot this great. You helped me a lot. > Dear all before creating fonts I was searching a lot for the most used > conjuncts in Sanskrit(not Vedic) but could not found, I am glad that > Dominik Wujastyk is going to send the list and I am waiting for that. > And for benefit of others, I am sharing all the important conjuncts here. > > ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? > ??????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? > ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? > ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? > ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? > ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? > ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? > ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? > ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ????? > ????????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? > ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? > ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? > ??? ??? > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:53 AM Harry Spier > wrote: > >> >> Dear Krishnaprasad, >> I've attached a pdf of 4 examples of the cluster ?tr taken from the the >> paper transcripts of the IFP . These are handwritten in the 50's and 60's >> . They are by different scribes and they all use virama. I didn't find >> any in the IFP transcripts that had the tra underneath, but I stopped >> searching after these four. >> >> Harry Spier >> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:15 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>> >>> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, but >>> here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster of >>> "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >>> >>> [image: image.png] >>> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >>> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >>> >>> [image: image.png] >>> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >>> >>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>> Professor Emeritus >>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>> University of Michigan >>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>> >>>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all >>>>> Some more characters. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> KP >>>>> >>>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part IV). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>>>> author. I can't recall the details. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>>> or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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D???a? vina??am atilolam > al?tacakram... > > Martin > > Den 2019-02-14 kl. 21:15, skrev Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY: > > This website, that hosted digital scans of many manuscripts and early > editions, has now disappeared, as of December last year. Some of the site > is preserved at Archive.org > , but > the scans are not downloadable as far as I can see. The site was created > by a Mr Madan Mohan Gupta. I am guessing, but I think the resource might > be associated with Rewa in Madhya Pradesh, or the Bishno Mandir in Hisar, > Haryana. > > Does anyone have any information about this resource, especially whether > it has gone forever or only temporarily? I wrote to Mr Gupta last year, > congratulating him on the website, but I received no answer. > > Best, > Dominik > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 23:31:03 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 16:31:03 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chinkara (a gazelle) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My index in Roots of Ayurveda says chinkara, Gazella gazella (Pallas)?: m?gam?t?k?, 77 My private reference for that was Prater, S. H (1993). *The book of Indian animals*. Bombay, Delhi, etc.: Oxford University Press, fourth edn., page 268. -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 16:23, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Dear John, > > I worked quite hard on animals when I was writing *The Roots of Ayurveda* > (3rd ed, Penguin 2003). There's a Sansksrit-English and English-Sanskrit > index, and I give the sources I used in a compressed bibliography at the > end of my Introduction. The publications of the Bombay Natural History > Society were invaluable. > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > > On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 11:28, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear list members, >> >> I am working on a very modest terminology and illustrated list of animals >> that occur in Buddhism. Unfortunately one, the Chinkara a (small gazelle) >> which repeatedly appears to either side of the Dharmachakra in most >> sculptures oof the first turning, does not appear to have a verifiable >> Sanskrit name. In essence, it is the "deer" of the 'deer park' translation >> of "m?gadava." >> >> The creature depicted does not (or *very* rarely) has branched antlers >> (a deer characteristic) but gently curving horns which it does not shed (an >> antelope gazelle characteristic). >> >> My sincere appreciation for any help or references. >> >> Best to all >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From franco at uni-leipzig.de Fri Feb 22 23:56:51 2019 From: franco at uni-leipzig.de (Eli Franco) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 19 00:56:51 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Weller Prize 2019 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190223005651.Horde.p7XJqTo9MZlSieRm1nDUFI1@mail.uni-leipzig.de> Dear friends and colleagues, It gives me great pleasure to announce that the Friedrich Weller Prize 2019 will be awarded to Sheldon Pollock (Columbia University) and Jens Wilkens (G?ttingen Academy of Sciences and Humanities). The awarding ceremony will take place at the Spring Session of the Saxon Academy of Sciences on April 12, 2019 in the ?Altes Rathaus?, Markt 1, Leipzig. The session is open to the public. With best wishes, Eli -- Prof. Dr. Eli Franco Institut f?r Indologie und Zentralasienwissenschaften Schillerstr. 6 04109 Leipzig Ph. +49 341 9737 121, 9737 120 (dept. office) Fax +49 341 9737 148 From prajnapti at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 01:15:37 2019 From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 19 20:15:37 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Vimuttimagga--yogin/yog=C4=81vacara?= In-Reply-To: <69053481-237A-484B-AA17-E492F4519B40@oregonstate.edu> Message-ID: <1A699791-C158-4DA6-9501-0E10E32CB608@gmail.com> Dear Stuart, The term used in Chinese is ??? = zuochan ren = a meditator, lit. ?person sitting in sam?dhi.? Broken down ? zuo = ?sitting? ? chan = sam?dhi, meditation ? ren = person The term appears 311 times in the Vimuttimagga. This is an early 6th c translation, and later zuochan became the term for ?sitting in Chan/Zen.? As for being unequivocal about the Indic original of that term in this text, that is difficult. First, the translator, ????, whose name is variously transcribed as *Sa?ghabhara or *Sa?ghavara or *Sa?ghavarman, and is translated into Chinese as Zhongkai ?? ( ?Armor of the Sa?gha? ), also translated Mah?y?na materials, such as The Praj??p?ramit? as Taught by Ma?ju?r?, (T.233) which is a translation of the ?apta?atik? praj??p?ramit? ( ?Perfection of Wisdom in 700 Lines?); the J??n?lok?la?k?ra-s?tra (T. 358); Mah?y?na Ratnamegha sutra (T. 659), and so on, so one may question whether the original of the ?Vimuttimagga? was in Pali rather than Sanskrit or some related Indic language. Some East Asian scholarship has taken to rendering its Indian title as Vimuktim?rga. Second, different translators used different equivalents for Indic terms. Zuochan ren *could* represent yogi, yog?vacara, yog?c?ra, yog?c?rya, etc., or something else. In the broadest sense, zuochan ren should be understood as ?a serious practitioner.? Hope that helps. Dan > On Feb 22, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Stuart Ray Sarbacker via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Greetings, > > In looking at two variant studies of Upatissa?s Vimuttimagga, I?ve noticed that in one (Ehara/Thera/Thera, 1961) that the term ?yogin? is frequently utilized, whereas in the other (Bapat, 1931) the (equivalent?) term used is ?yog?vacara.? Given that the terminology of the Vimuttimagga is being re-translated into P?li from Chinese, I?m wondering if anyone can provide clarification as to (1) what Chinese term is being translated as such; and (2) what would be a more accurate translation (if there is one) of that term, and why. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! > > Best Wishes, > Stuart > > ___ > Stuart Ray Sarbacker > Associate Professor > School of History, Philosophy, and Religion > Oregon State University > http://liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/users/stuart-ray-sarbacker > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With best wishes, Lin Qian Academia Sinica On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 9:16 AM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Stuart, > > The term used in Chinese is ??? = zuochan ren = a meditator, lit. ?person > sitting in sam?dhi.? > > Broken down > ? zuo = ?sitting? > ? chan = sam?dhi, meditation > ? ren = person > > The term appears 311 times in the Vimuttimagga. > > This is an early 6th c translation, and later zuochan became the term for > ?sitting in Chan/Zen.? > > As for being unequivocal about the Indic original of that term in this > text, that is difficult. > > First, the translator, ????, whose name is variously transcribed as > *Sa?ghabhara or *Sa?ghavara or *Sa?ghavarman, and is translated into > Chinese as Zhongkai ?? ( ?Armor of the Sa?gha? ), also translated > Mah?y?na materials, such as *The Praj??p?ramit? as Taught by Ma?ju?r?*, > (T.233) which is a translation of the *?apta?atik? praj??p?ramit?* ( > ?Perfection of Wisdom in 700 Lines?); the *J??n?lok?la?k?ra-s?tra* (T. > 358); *Mah?y?na Ratnamegha sutra* (T. 659), and so on, so one may > question whether the original of the ?*Vimuttimagga*? was in Pali rather > than Sanskrit or some related Indic language. Some East Asian scholarship > has taken to rendering its Indian title as Vimuktim?rga. > > Second, different translators used different equivalents for Indic terms. > Zuochan ren *could* represent yogi, yog?vacara, yog?c?ra, yog?c?rya, etc., > or something else. In the broadest sense, zuochan ren should be understood > as ?a serious practitioner.? > > Hope that helps. > > Dan > > On Feb 22, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Stuart Ray Sarbacker via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Greetings, > > In looking at two variant studies of Upatissa?s *Vimuttimagga*, I?ve > noticed that in one (Ehara/Thera/Thera, 1961) that the term ?yogin? is > frequently utilized, whereas in the other (Bapat, 1931) the (equivalent?) > term used is ?yog?vacara.? Given that the terminology of the *Vimuttimagga > *is being re-translated into P?li from Chinese, I?m wondering if anyone > can provide clarification as to (1) what Chinese term is being translated > as such; and (2) what would be a more accurate translation (if there is > one) of that term, and why. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! > > Best Wishes, > Stuart > > ___ > Stuart Ray Sarbacker > Associate Professor > School of History, Philosophy, and Religion > Oregon State University > http://liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/users/stuart-ray-sarbacker > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mahabongo at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 08:53:13 2019 From: mahabongo at gmail.com (Matthew Clark) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 19 08:53:13 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Seeking unpublished paper by Simon Digby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Dominik and Brad, here's a PDF of the paper by Simon Digby. Best regards, Matthew Clark. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:33 PM Bradley Clough via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I can't remember if it's permissible to share a PDF with the whole forum. > That would be nice for this article on Encounters with Jogis, as I suspect > many would like it. But if not, I personally would love to receive a copy > of it too. > > Best to All, > Brad Clough > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> There's a 1970 conference presentation by Simon: >> >> - "Anecdotes of Jogis in Sufi Hagiography," Proceedings of the >> Seminar on Aspects of Religion in South Asia, cyclostyle, London 1970. >> >> It's sometimes called "Encounters with Jogis in Indian Sufi Hagiography," >> I believe. >> >> If you have a copy, I would be very grateful if you would share it with >> me. >> >> Many thanks, >> Dominik >> >> >> >> -- >> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >> , >> >> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >> , >> >> Department of History and Classics >> >> , >> University of Alberta, Canada >> . >> >> South Asia at the U of A: >> >> sas.ualberta.ca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Two points would be of special relevance: a) When is this group first mentioned? b) Which gods are typically subsumed under this name? Any help, including early, possibly pre-Buddhist textual references, is highly appreciated! Best, Oliver --- Oliver Hellwig, SFB 991, D?sseldorf/IVS, Z?rich From bclough9377 at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 11:43:06 2019 From: bclough9377 at gmail.com (Bradley Clough) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 19 04:43:06 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Seeking unpublished paper by Simon Digby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Matthew, many thanks! Yours, Brad On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 1:53 AM Matthew Clark wrote: > Dear Dominik and Brad, > here's a PDF of the paper by Simon Digby. > > Best regards, Matthew Clark. > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:33 PM Bradley Clough via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I can't remember if it's permissible to share a PDF with the whole forum. >> That would be nice for this article on Encounters with Jogis, as I suspect >> many would like it. But if not, I personally would love to receive a copy >> of it too. >> >> Best to All, >> Brad Clough >> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> There's a 1970 conference presentation by Simon: >>> >>> - "Anecdotes of Jogis in Sufi Hagiography," Proceedings of the >>> Seminar on Aspects of Religion in South Asia, cyclostyle, London 1970. >>> >>> It's sometimes called "Encounters with Jogis in Indian Sufi >>> Hagiography," I believe. >>> >>> If you have a copy, I would be very grateful if you would share it with >>> me. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Dominik >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >>> >>> , >>> >>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >>> , >>> >>> Department of History and Classics >>> >>> , >>> University of Alberta, Canada >>> . >>> >>> South Asia at the U of A: >>> >>> sas.ualberta.ca >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 7:29 AM David Pierdominici via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > > on behalf of a colleague of mine, I would like to ask if someone has a > copy of an article by V. Stache-Rosen, "Gandabherunda: on the tradition > of the double-headed bird in South India.?, *Quarterly Journal of the > Mythic Society*, vol.67, 1976, pp.1-4 > Thanking you, best regards > > David Pierdominici Le?o > Ph.D., Gonda Fellow, IIAS > Academia: https://uniroma1.academia.edu/DavidPierdominici > Mobile +39 3407303232 > Skype: davidpaolo89 > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gandabherunda_stache-rosen_1976.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 4284894 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz Sat Feb 23 18:24:27 2019 From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 19 18:24:27 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Seeking unpublished paper by Simon Digby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190223192522.ff0d3ff683705cad0c6c8e7f@ff.cuni.cz> Thanks, Matthew! For those who are interested, here is the original version. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zF6CiR7Dc_o1x-AULUnXFlebLY775gnn Best, Lubomir On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 08:53:13 +0000 Matthew Clark via INDOLOGY wrote: > Dear Dominik and Brad, > here's a PDF of the paper by Simon Digby. > > Best regards, Matthew Clark. > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:33 PM Bradley Clough via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > I can't remember if it's permissible to share a PDF with the whole forum. > > That would be nice for this article on Encounters with Jogis, as I suspect > > many would like it. But if not, I personally would love to receive a copy > > of it too. > > > > Best to All, > > Brad Clough > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < > > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > >> There's a 1970 conference presentation by Simon: > >> > >> - "Anecdotes of Jogis in Sufi Hagiography," Proceedings of the > >> Seminar on Aspects of Religion in South Asia, cyclostyle, London 1970. > >> > >> It's sometimes called "Encounters with Jogis in Indian Sufi Hagiography," > >> I believe. > >> > >> If you have a copy, I would be very grateful if you would share it with > >> me. > >> > >> Many thanks, > >> Dominik > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Professor Dominik Wujastyk > >> , > >> > >> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > >> , > >> > >> Department of History and Classics > >> > >> , > >> University of Alberta, Canada > >> . > >> > >> South Asia at the U of A: > >> > >> sas.ualberta.ca > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> INDOLOGY mailing list > >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > >> committee) > >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > >> unsubscribe) > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > > unsubscribe) > > From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 02:42:47 2019 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 19 08:12:47 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Seeking unpublished paper by Simon Digby In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, Matthew! It's very nice to have this. Best, Tyler On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 2:24 PM Matthew Clark via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Dominik and Brad, > here's a PDF of the paper by Simon Digby. > > Best regards, Matthew Clark. > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:33 PM Bradley Clough via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I can't remember if it's permissible to share a PDF with the whole forum. >> That would be nice for this article on Encounters with Jogis, as I suspect >> many would like it. But if not, I personally would love to receive a copy >> of it too. >> >> Best to All, >> Brad Clough >> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> There's a 1970 conference presentation by Simon: >>> >>> - "Anecdotes of Jogis in Sufi Hagiography," Proceedings of the >>> Seminar on Aspects of Religion in South Asia, cyclostyle, London 1970. >>> >>> It's sometimes called "Encounters with Jogis in Indian Sufi >>> Hagiography," I believe. >>> >>> If you have a copy, I would be very grateful if you would share it with >>> me. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Dominik >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >>> >>> , >>> >>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >>> , >>> >>> Department of History and Classics >>> >>> , >>> University of Alberta, Canada >>> . >>> >>> South Asia at the U of A: >>> >>> sas.ualberta.ca >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am attaching the same conjunct list to this email which is searchable. But the list is not having Nuktas Thanks a lot On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 4:32 AM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Found it! It was done in 1990 by James E. Agenbroad, and is called "Difficult > Characters > ." > It was presented as a paper at the 33rd International Congress of Asian and > North African Studies in Toronto in 1990. Agenbroad lists 866 conjunct > characters. > > > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 07:23, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Harry Spier >> Thanks a lot this great. You helped me a lot. >> Dear all before creating fonts I was searching a lot for the most used >> conjuncts in Sanskrit(not Vedic) but could not found, I am glad that >> Dominik Wujastyk is going to send the list and I am waiting for that. >> And for benefit of others, I am sharing all the important conjuncts here. >> >> ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? >> ??????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? >> ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? >> ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? >> ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? >> ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? >> ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? >> ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? >> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ????? >> ????????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? >> ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? >> ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? >> ??? ??? >> >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:53 AM Harry Spier >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Krishnaprasad, >>> I've attached a pdf of 4 examples of the cluster ?tr taken from the the >>> paper transcripts of the IFP . These are handwritten in the 50's and 60's >>> . They are by different scribes and they all use virama. I didn't find >>> any in the IFP transcripts that had the tra underneath, but I stopped >>> searching after these four. >>> >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:15 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>> >>>> I don't have access to a manuscript of ?a?tri??attattvasandoha, >>>> but here is the title page of the printed book that does not use a cluster >>>> of "tra" hanging below "?", but prints just "?" with a vir?ma sign. >>>> >>>> [image: image.png] >>>> On the other hand, the title page of the edition in the Kashmir Text >>>> Series, uses such a vertical cluster: >>>> >>>> [image: image.png] >>>> However, it looks somewhat odd in its appearance to me. >>>> >>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>> Professor Emeritus >>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>> University of Michigan >>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:12 AM Madhav Deshpande >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>> >>>>> Great to see your progress. A comment. Some horizontal lines, >>>>> like that ?, look thicker than the top line and lines in some other >>>>> characters. The thickness should be uniform. Similarly, the knot for ?, >>>>> ?, ? etc. should look exactly the same, and it should look the same whether >>>>> it appears in full or half forms of these characters. >>>>> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>> University of Michigan >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:58 AM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all >>>>>> Some more characters. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> KP >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu 27 Dec, 2018, 8:11 PM Madhav Deshpande, >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Krishnaprasad Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you so much for this download link. It is a wealth of >>>>>>> useful resources. With best regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>> Professor Emeritus >>>>>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>> University of Michigan >>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 7:22 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>>>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, everyone for supporting me giving feedbacks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can download from here. >>>>>>>> https://yadi.sk/d/rDIogm1J3WjKp4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 AM Harry Spier < >>>>>>>> hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dominink Wujastyk wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> modern font technology can help. OpenType includes some >>>>>>>>>> "alternates" or "contextual alternates" features that allow the user (or >>>>>>>>>> auto-select) to select from multiple versions of a glyph. But I'm sure you >>>>>>>>>> know this. And it's only certain advanced text-setting programs like TeX >>>>>>>>>> that allow one to access such features easily (e.g., through >>>>>>>>>> fontspec , manual part >>>>>>>>>> IV). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I use the FontCreator program from Hi-Logic which allows you to >>>>>>>>> create open type "contextual features". I've used this feature. I use the >>>>>>>>> professional product which retails for $199.00 but their website says that >>>>>>>>> the Home edition for $79.00 also has this feature (but the home edition >>>>>>>>> cannot be used for commercial purposes). The program only works on windows. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Such questions make me wish to consult Naik's classic work *Typography >>>>>>>>>> of Devanagari * (3 vols, >>>>>>>>>> 1971 rev. ed.), but I've never had access to a copy of this rare >>>>>>>>>> publication. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have this book. (Unfortunately its in storage in New York). Its >>>>>>>>> been 20 years since I looked at it but I recall it was absolutely >>>>>>>>> fascinating. As I recall one volume gives examples of devanagari printing >>>>>>>>> from the earliest printed editions up till fairly modern times (when it was >>>>>>>>> published), another volume describes the authors ideas for a devanagari >>>>>>>>> typewriter and the third volume focuses on some esoteric ideas of the >>>>>>>>> author. 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Best wishes, Hans Henrich Hock From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Feb 24 19:27:36 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 19 11:27:36 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] An article by Stanley Insler In-Reply-To: <961529EB-C5AF-4069-ABE9-F51F3C59C0F5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Hello Hans, Could this be the article you are referring to? Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 11:23 AM Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > > Around 2000 (? a year or two) I received from Stanley Insler a preprint of > an article analyzing the story of Nala and Damayant? in terms of rasa > theory. I loaned my copy to two graduate students who had just joined UIUC > and who have left since then, and somehow the copy got lost after that. > > Does anyone have a copy that they could scan and send to me? 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For > example, in B-R a Mahabharata reference is 3, 16461 but there is no > 03,164.061 in the Tokunaga edition. > > Any help in how to translate the B-R references to the Tokunaga verse > numbering system would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 01:44:43 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 19 20:44:43 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Mahabharata_referenes_in_B=C3=B6htlingk_Roth?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you Mahdav, I just realized that also :-) Would anyone know a link to a pdf of the Calcutta edition. Thanks, Harry Spier On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 PM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > If I am not mistaken, B-R refer to the Calcutta edition of the Mah?bh?rata > that predates the BORI critical edition. Tokunaga's version is the > digitization of the BORI edition. > > Madhav > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 5:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear list members, >> >> I'm trying to trace some Mahabharata references in B?htlingk and Roth >> but i"m not clear how to translate their referencing format to whats in the >> GRETIL edition from Muneo Tokunaga revised by John Smith. The B-R >> references are a digit (book number?) followed by a 5 digit number. For >> example, in B-R a Mahabharata reference is 3, 16461 but there is no >> 03,164.061 in the Tokunaga edition. >> >> Any help in how to translate the B-R references to the Tokunaga verse >> numbering system would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Harry Spier >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 01:50:04 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 19 20:50:04 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Mahabharata_referenes_in_B=C3=B6htlingk_Roth?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Would that be the edition by Pradap Chandra Roy, Calcutta, 1899. If so, then I've got the link from archive.org Thanks, Harry Spier On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 PM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > If I am not mistaken, B-R refer to the Calcutta edition of the Mah?bh?rata > that predates the BORI critical edition. Tokunaga's version is the > digitization of the BORI edition. > > Madhav > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 5:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear list members, >> >> I'm trying to trace some Mahabharata references in B?htlingk and Roth >> but i"m not clear how to translate their referencing format to whats in the >> GRETIL edition from Muneo Tokunaga revised by John Smith. The B-R >> references are a digit (book number?) followed by a 5 digit number. For >> example, in B-R a Mahabharata reference is 3, 16461 but there is no >> 03,164.061 in the Tokunaga edition. >> >> Any help in how to translate the B-R references to the Tokunaga verse >> numbering system would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Harry Spier >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 01:48:56 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 07:18:56 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Mahabharata_referenes_in_B=C3=B6htlingk_Roth?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Harry Spier I don't know whether this information is useful or not, but, I remember reading that, majority of the reference from Mahabharata in B?htlingk Roth, is untraceable in any editions is said by Charudeva Sastry. Even after decoding the reference number the challenge is not over. A tip to decode the reference number is reverse working. Finding a famous known verse from Mahabharata and searching that in B?htlingk Roth Regards KP On Mon 25 Feb, 2019, 7:07 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY, < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > > I'm trying to trace some Mahabharata references in B?htlingk and Roth > but i"m not clear how to translate their referencing format to whats in the > GRETIL edition from Muneo Tokunaga revised by John Smith. The B-R > references are a digit (book number?) followed by a 5 digit number. For > example, in B-R a Mahabharata reference is 3, 16461 but there is no > 03,164.061 in the Tokunaga edition. > > Any help in how to translate the B-R references to the Tokunaga verse > numbering system would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au Mon Feb 25 01:50:50 2019 From: Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au (Greg Bailey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 01:50:50 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Mahabharata_referenes_in_B=C3=B6htlingk_Roth?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually the printed edition of the BORI edition does include the equivalent numbers of the Calcutta edition. Cheers, Greg Bailey From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > Reply-To: Harry Spier > Date: Monday, 25 February 2019 at 12:44 pm To: Madhav Deshpande > Cc: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mahabharata referenes in B?htlingk Roth Thank you Mahdav, I just realized that also :-) Would anyone know a link to a pdf of the Calcutta edition. Thanks, Harry Spier On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 PM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: If I am not mistaken, B-R refer to the Calcutta edition of the Mah?bh?rata that predates the BORI critical edition. Tokunaga's version is the digitization of the BORI edition. Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 5:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear list members, I'm trying to trace some Mahabharata references in B?htlingk and Roth but i"m not clear how to translate their referencing format to whats in the GRETIL edition from Muneo Tokunaga revised by John Smith. The B-R references are a digit (book number?) followed by a 5 digit number. For example, in B-R a Mahabharata reference is 3, 16461 but there is no 03,164.061 in the Tokunaga edition. Any help in how to translate the B-R references to the Tokunaga verse numbering system would be appreciated. Thanks, Harry Spier _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 02:02:51 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 19 21:02:51 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Mahabharata_referenes_in_B=C3=B6htlingk_Roth?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you Greg, In the GRETIL on-line version some lines have references like this: 03,163.039b*0839_01 Are the numbers after the asterix the Calcutta edition line numbers? Thanks, Harry Spier On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:50 PM Greg Bailey wrote: > Actually the printed edition of the BORI edition does include the > equivalent numbers of the Calcutta edition. > > Cheers, > > Greg Bailey > > From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Harry > Spier via INDOLOGY > Reply-To: Harry Spier > Date: Monday, 25 February 2019 at 12:44 pm > To: Madhav Deshpande > Cc: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mahabharata referenes in B?htlingk Roth > > Thank you Mahdav, > > I just realized that also :-) > > Would anyone know a link to a pdf of the Calcutta edition. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 PM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > >> If I am not mistaken, B-R refer to the Calcutta edition of the >> Mah?bh?rata that predates the BORI critical edition. Tokunaga's version is >> the digitization of the BORI edition. >> >> Madhav >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 5:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> I'm trying to trace some Mahabharata references in B?htlingk and Roth >>> but i"m not clear how to translate their referencing format to whats in the >>> GRETIL edition from Muneo Tokunaga revised by John Smith. The B-R >>> references are a digit (book number?) followed by a 5 digit number. For >>> example, in B-R a Mahabharata reference is 3, 16461 but there is no >>> 03,164.061 in the Tokunaga edition. >>> >>> Any help in how to translate the B-R references to the Tokunaga verse >>> numbering system would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au Mon Feb 25 02:31:52 2019 From: Greg.Bailey at latrobe.edu.au (Greg Bailey) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 02:31:52 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Mahabharata_referenes_in_B=C3=B6htlingk_Roth?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Harry, No, I think these are passages relegated from the Critical Edition to appendices or they are star passages included in the critical notes below each verse, passages that are important enough not to be placed in the critical text, but too important not to be noted. At the beginning of each chapter of the printed edition there is given the number of four other editions including the Bombay, Calcutta and the Kumbakonam (Southern) editions. Hope this helps. Cheers, Greg From: Harry Spier > Date: Monday, 25 February 2019 at 1:02 pm To: Gregory Millett Bailey > Cc: Madhav Deshpande >, Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mahabharata referenes in B?htlingk Roth Thank you Greg, In the GRETIL on-line version some lines have references like this: 03,163.039b*0839_01 Are the numbers after the asterix the Calcutta edition line numbers? Thanks, Harry Spier On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:50 PM Greg Bailey > wrote: Actually the printed edition of the BORI edition does include the equivalent numbers of the Calcutta edition. Cheers, Greg Bailey From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > Reply-To: Harry Spier > Date: Monday, 25 February 2019 at 12:44 pm To: Madhav Deshpande > Cc: Indology > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mahabharata referenes in B?htlingk Roth Thank you Mahdav, I just realized that also :-) Would anyone know a link to a pdf of the Calcutta edition. Thanks, Harry Spier On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 PM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: If I am not mistaken, B-R refer to the Calcutta edition of the Mah?bh?rata that predates the BORI critical edition. Tokunaga's version is the digitization of the BORI edition. Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 5:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear list members, I'm trying to trace some Mahabharata references in B?htlingk and Roth but i"m not clear how to translate their referencing format to whats in the GRETIL edition from Muneo Tokunaga revised by John Smith. The B-R references are a digit (book number?) followed by a 5 digit number. For example, in B-R a Mahabharata reference is 3, 16461 but there is no 03,164.061 in the Tokunaga edition. Any help in how to translate the B-R references to the Tokunaga verse numbering system would be appreciated. Thanks, Harry Spier _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manjushree42 at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 06:10:58 2019 From: manjushree42 at gmail.com (Manjushree Hegde) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 11:40:58 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Ny=C4=81yamukha_of_Dinn=C4=81ga?= Message-ID: Dear list members, I?m looking for a .pdf of a book: G. Tucci, *The **Ny?yamukha** of Dinn?ga*, Heidelberg: Materialien zur Kunde des Buddhismus, 1930. I'll be grateful if anyone share a copy. Thanks in advance! Manjushree. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Lubomir On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 20:50:04 -0500 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY wrote: > Would that be the edition by Pradap Chandra Roy, Calcutta, 1899. > > If so, then I've got the link from archive.org > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 PM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > > > If I am not mistaken, B-R refer to the Calcutta edition of the Mah?bh?rata > > that predates the BORI critical edition. Tokunaga's version is the > > digitization of the BORI edition. > > > > Madhav > > > > Madhav M. Deshpande > > Professor Emeritus > > Sanskrit and Linguistics > > University of Michigan > > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 5:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > >> Dear list members, > >> > >> I'm trying to trace some Mahabharata references in B?htlingk and Roth > >> but i"m not clear how to translate their referencing format to whats in the > >> GRETIL edition from Muneo Tokunaga revised by John Smith. The B-R > >> references are a digit (book number?) followed by a 5 digit number. For > >> example, in B-R a Mahabharata reference is 3, 16461 but there is no > >> 03,164.061 in the Tokunaga edition. > >> > >> Any help in how to translate the B-R references to the Tokunaga verse > >> numbering system would be appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Harry Spier > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> INDOLOGY mailing list > >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > >> committee) > >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > >> unsubscribe) > >> > > From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de Mon Feb 25 10:35:55 2019 From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 11:35:55 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Mahabharata_referenes_in_B=C3=B6htlingk_Roth?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190225113555.Horde.z4kr33hKh8yWycFVZnoSXhJ@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> > I remember reading that, majority of the reference from Mahabharata > in B?htlingk Roth, is untraceable in any editions is said by > Charudeva Sastry. It is not the case. Instead, Lubom?r Ondra?ka is absolutely correct: "PW references to MBh are to the first complete edition prepared by Bengali pandits in Calcutta and published by various publishers in 1834-39 in four volumes. This edition counts verses continuously within each parvan." Example (chosen at random): PW s.v. a????ga: "kaccid a????gasa?yukt? caturvidhabal? cam?? Mbh. 2, 197" (cp. Monier-Williams s.v. a????ga: "[MBh. ii, 197]") = Mah?bh?rata, [ed. Calcutta 1834, Vol. 1], 2 (= Sabh?parvan), verse 197 which corresponds to 2.5.53ab (crit. ed.) or 2.5.63ab (ed. Poona 1929, with N?laka??ha's commentary). Best, Roland Steiner From emstern1948 at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 13:12:48 2019 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 08:12:48 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Ny=C4=81yamukha_of_Dinn=C4=81ga?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <73DB5E69-5C3A-4A1E-B018-CF881B7FFA05@gmail.com> Available at archive.org (https://ia801603.us.archive.org/28/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.6574/2015.6574.The-Nyayamukha.pdf). > On Feb 25, 2019, at 1:10 AM, Manjushree Hegde via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear list members, > > I?m looking for a .pdf of a book: > > G. Tucci, The Ny?yamukha of Dinn?ga, Heidelberg: Materialien zur Kunde des Buddhismus, 1930. > > I'll be grateful if anyone share a copy. > > Thanks in advance! > Manjushree. > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Elliot M. Stern 552 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 emstern1948 at gmail.com 267-240-8418 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Feb 25 14:33:15 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 06:33:15 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ???????????????? ?????? ???? ???? ? ???: ???????????? ?????? ????????????????? ??????? The whole world is filled with the breeze carrying the fragrance of Krishna. How can the garden of delight in heaven be superior to obeisance to Krishna, the Son of Nanda? Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kauzeya at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 15:11:03 2019 From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 16:11:03 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Mahabharata_referenes_in_B=C3=B6htlingk_Roth?= In-Reply-To: <20190225104744.11586cea5edb8b79e7e8ca00@ff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: Following up this thread: I was aware of the MBh references in PW, but what I have been unable to pin down is what is referred to as the scolia. I assumed it to refer to N?laka??ha, but in the event I was unable to locate the passage I needed (eventually, I confess, I gave up and just cited PW itself...) Jonathan On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 2:58 PM Lubom?r Ondra?ka via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Harry, > > PW was published in 1855?75, so it could not use Roy's edition published > in 1883?1896. > > PW references to MBh are to the first complete edition prepared by Bengali > pandits in Calcutta and published by various publishers in 1834-39 in four > volumes. This edition counts verses continuously within each parvan. > Although Roy's edition is based on it, it is different. Roy has used > another Bengali edition (1863, so called Burdwan edition) and several > manuscripts. > > So to identify a particular verse quoted in PW, one have to look in the > original Calcutta edition (1834-39). > > Best, > Lubomir > > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 20:50:04 -0500 > Harry Spier via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > Would that be the edition by Pradap Chandra Roy, Calcutta, 1899. > > > > If so, then I've got the link from archive.org > > > > Thanks, > > Harry Spier > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 8:41 PM Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > > > > > If I am not mistaken, B-R refer to the Calcutta edition of the > Mah?bh?rata > > > that predates the BORI critical edition. Tokunaga's version is the > > > digitization of the BORI edition. > > > > > > Madhav > > > > > > Madhav M. Deshpande > > > Professor Emeritus > > > Sanskrit and Linguistics > > > University of Michigan > > > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 5:38 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > > > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > > > >> Dear list members, > > >> > > >> I'm trying to trace some Mahabharata references in B?htlingk and Roth > > >> but i"m not clear how to translate their referencing format to whats > in the > > >> GRETIL edition from Muneo Tokunaga revised by John Smith. The B-R > > >> references are a digit (book number?) followed by a 5 digit number. > For > > >> example, in B-R a Mahabharata reference is 3, 16461 but there is no > > >> 03,164.061 in the Tokunaga edition. > > >> > > >> Any help in how to translate the B-R references to the Tokunaga verse > > >> numbering system would be appreciated. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Harry Spier > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> INDOLOGY mailing list > > >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > >> committee) > > >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or > > >> unsubscribe) > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- J. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden The Netherlands copies of my publications may be found at https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de Mon Feb 25 15:14:09 2019 From: pwyzlic at uni-bonn.de (Peter Wyzlic) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 16:14:09 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Mahabharata_referenes_in_B=C3=B6htlingk_Roth?= In-Reply-To: <20190225113555.Horde.z4kr33hKh8yWycFVZnoSXhJ@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: Who wants to check the volumes of the Calcutta edition and has no library at hand may find some digitized versions in the usual places: English title: The Mah?bh?rata : an epic poem, written by the celebrated Veda Vy?sa Rishi (1834-1839) Vol. 1: Vol. 2: Vol. 3: Vol. 4: Volume with S?c?patra (sometimes numbered vol. 5) There are more, I guess. Hope it helps Peter Wyzlic -- Universit?t Bonn Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften Bibliothek Br?hler Str. 7 D-53119 Bonn Tel.: 0228/73-62436 From hhhock at illinois.edu Mon Feb 25 15:29:13 2019 From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 19 15:29:13 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] An article by Stanley Insler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Madhav. I, too, had at first thought that this might be the article; but when I looked at it I found that it is not the one I?m looking for (in fact, this one is included in Stanley Insler?s bibliography in the FS for him).. So, the search continues ? Best wishes, Hans Henrich On 24 Feb 2019, at 13:27, Madhav Deshpande > wrote: Hello Hans, Could this be the article you are referring to? Madhav Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 11:23 AM Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Friends and Colleagues, Around 2000 (? a year or two) I received from Stanley Insler a preprint of an article analyzing the story of Nala and Damayant? in terms of rasa theory. I loaned my copy to two graduate students who had just joined UIUC and who have left since then, and somehow the copy got lost after that. Does anyone have a copy that they could scan and send to me? I am trying to refer to the paper in a publication that is under preparation, as a way of remembering his scholarship. 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Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 7:14 AM Peter Wyzlic via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Who wants to check the volumes of the Calcutta edition and has no > library at hand may find some digitized versions in the usual places: > > English title: The Mah?bh?rata : an epic poem, written by the celebrated > Veda Vy?sa Rishi (1834-1839) > > Vol. 1: > > > > Vol. 2: > > > > > Vol. 3: > > > > > > > Vol. 4: > > > > > > > Volume with S?c?patra (sometimes numbered vol. 5) > > > > There are more, I guess. > > Hope it helps > Peter Wyzlic > > -- > Universit?t Bonn > Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften > Bibliothek > Br?hler Str. 7 > D-53119 Bonn > Tel.: 0228/73-62436 > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, areas which have seen the greatest degree of updating or enlargement are: o re-organisation of folders: placing the contents of the former Background material folder in a new Ancillary material folder, transferring to that most of the old Drafts (unpublished) folder and so making ?The development of the R?m?ya?a tradition? an independent item, as well as subdividing the Further Notes and former Miscellaneous drafts documents for greater ease of use. The Guidance notes have been updated to reflect these changes. o additions to the data within 10. visual (India) in the bibliographic inventories, o inclusion of further unpublished conference papers in the Lectures and papers (unpublished) document, o all categories of the ?Narrative Elements?, particularly vernacular (South India). Because of the nature of our own contacts this message is being sent primarily to other Indologists but, if any of you are aware of colleagues in other fields (for example Southeast Asian languages or visual culture) who might be interested, do please pass the information on to them ? and similarly, if any of you have access to suitable academic lists on which it could be posted, we would be grateful if you would send it to them. As usual, we should be grateful for any comments from anyone who has used the material. 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Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 7:14 AM Peter Wyzlic via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Who wants to check the volumes of the Calcutta edition and has no >> library at hand may find some digitized versions in the usual places: >> >> English title: The Mah?bh?rata : an epic poem, written by the celebrated >> Veda Vy?sa Rishi (1834-1839) >> >> Vol. 1: >> >> >> >> Vol. 2: >> >> >> >> >> Vol. 3: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vol. 4: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Volume with S?c?patra (sometimes numbered vol. 5) >> >> >> >> There are more, I guess. >> >> Hope it helps >> Peter Wyzlic >> >> -- >> Universit?t Bonn >> Institut f?r Orient- und Asienwissenschaften >> Bibliothek >> Br?hler Str. 7 >> D-53119 Bonn >> Tel.: 0228/73-62436 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Patrick McCartney, PhD JSPS Fellow - Graduate School of Global Environmental Studies, Kyoto University, Japan Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, Japan Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian National University Skype - psdmccartney Phone + Whatsapp: +81-80-9811-3235 Twitter - @psdmccartney *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) Yogascapes in Japan Academia - Linkedin Edanz Modern Yoga Research -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Feb 26 14:42:08 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 19 06:42:08 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses "???????? ???? ???? ?????????????:" ? ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ??????? "I will touch the feet of the Lord, the Ocean of Compassion," with such jealousy rush the waves of Yamuna. Madhav M. 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URL: From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz Wed Feb 27 20:48:40 2019 From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 19 20:48:40 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fourth Middle Bengali retreat Message-ID: <20190227214937.b5a26ab2664004a1cf5c5f56@ff.cuni.cz> Dear Colleauges, prof. Thibaut d'Hubert asked me to share this announcement with the list members: Dear all, Please, note that the Fourth Middle Bengali retreat will take place in Morocco, from August 4th to 12th, 2019. You will find all the details regarding the venue, the daily schedule, and links to the detailed programs of the previous retreats on this blog: https://voices.uchicago.edu/middlebengali/ NB: The deadline to submit the application form (available on the website) is March 15th. Please, share this message with anyone you think might be interested. All the best, Thibaut --- Thibaut d'Hubert Bengali language and Bengal studies South Asian Languages and Civilizations The University of Chicago http://salc.uchicago.edu/faculty/d-hubert https://chicago.academia.edu/ThibautdHubert From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Feb 28 14:44:55 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 19 06:44:55 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????? ?? ????? ????? ??????????????? ? ??????????? ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????? ??????? Your sweet dancing is enchanting for the entire Gokula. O Krishna, there is a reflection of that dance in the mirror of my heart. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cchli at cantab.net Thu Feb 28 20:52:02 2019 From: cchli at cantab.net (Charles Li) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 19 12:52:02 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_the_H=C4=81r=C4=ABta_Dharmas=C5=ABtra?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear all, Thanks to everyone who replied! In case anyone is interested, here is S. C. Banerji's article from the Journal of the Oriental Institute, Baroda, Vol. VIII (1958-1959) where he collects quotations of the H?r?ta Dharmas?tra (thanks to the magic of North American interlibrary loan): https://archive.org/details/ReconstructionOfDharmasutrasHaritaSureshChandraBanerji It seems to be a little different from the same list in Banerji 1962, /Dharmas?tras: A Study in their Origin and Development, /pp. 257-289. I'm still mystified by the precise chapter and verse numbers cited by the publication I mentioned previously, but who knows. Best, Charles On 2/22/19 2:12 PM, Olivelle, J P wrote: > See Kane?s History of Dharma??stra, Vol. 1, pp. 127?136 for the H?r?ta > Dharmas?tra, with further bibliography and attempts to reconstruct it > by S. C. Banerjee. Kane also mentions your 30-ch version, a ms. of > which was found in Nasik by Islampurkar. > > Patrick > > > > >> On Feb 22, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Charles Li via INDOLOGY >> > wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I've fallen into a bit of a rabbit hole looking into the >> dharmas?tra/dharma??stra attributed to H?r?ta. Julius Jolly, in 1896, >> writes about a 17th-century manuscript of this text, complete in 30 >> chapters: >> >> https://books.google.ca/books?id=RhsoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147#v=onepage&q&f=false >> >> But it does not seem to have ever been published. However, I found >> this 1994 book that seems to make reference to specific passages from >> the 30th chapter of the H?r?ta Dharmas?tra: >> >> https://books.google.ca/books?id=idERT6Tg4MMC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false >> >> This definitely seems to be referring to the abovementioned >> 30-chapter text, rather than to shorter works attributed to H?r?ta >> (such as the H?r?tasa?hit?, Laghuh?r?tasm?ti, V?ddhah?r?tasm?ti, >> etc.) Does anyone know if any work has been done on the H?r?ta >> Dharmas?tra in the past hundred years or so? Jolly published a >> collection of quotations from it in 1890 (/Abhandlungen der >> philosophisch-philologischen Classe der K?niglich Bayerischen >> Akademie der Wissenschaften/ 18), but I have been unable to access it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Charles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 21:06:20 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 19 16:06:20 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Names and descriptions of indian weapons in sanskrit Message-ID: Dear list members, Would anyhow have or be able to point to articles or lists of names and descriptions of weapons in sanskrit. In particular names and descriptions of weapons described as being held in the hands of gods and goddesses .in the different stotras and descriptions of those deities. Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: