[INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Idioms and proverbs with 'S'ani in the mouth' 'S'ani on the tongue' are
found in Telugu and Kannada too apart from Tamil.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:04 PM Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I now see that I should have written
>
>
> > You can see சனி in the THIRD line
>
>
> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard
>
> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
>
>
>
> On 29/08/2019 12:25, Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY wrote:
> > If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century people
> > in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the answer is
> > probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the same belief
> > in other parts of India or other parts of the world
> >
> > If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in
> > ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the earliest
> > reference to a list of planet names is seen in the Tēvāram
> >
> > See the well-known hymn Tēvāram 2:85
> > which starts with:
> >
> > வேய் உறு தோளி பங்கன், விடம் உண்ட கண்டன், மிக நல்ல வீணை தடவி,
> > மாசு அறு திங்கள் கங்கை முடிமேல் அணிந்து, என் உளமே புகுந்தஅதனால்---
> > ஞாயிறு, திங்கள், செவ்வாய், புதன், வியாழம், வெள்ளி, சனி, பாம்புஇரண்டும்,
> உடனே
> > ஆசு அறும்; நல்லநல்ல; அவை நல்லநல்ல, அடியார்அவர்க்கு மிகவே.
> >
> > You can see சனி in the second line
> >
> > There does not seem to be references to  சனி in the older layer of Tamil
> > literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la literature
> > tamoule ancienne/ Institut Français d'Indologie, Pondichéry, 1967-1970)
> >
> > One should also mention (in connection with சனி) the well-known temple
> > described in
> >
> > https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf
> >
> > I hope this is useful
> >
> > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard
> >
> > https://twitter.com/JLC1956
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote:
> >> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta
> >> /[= /adṛṣṭa/] 1.2), I read:
> >>
> >>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in
> >>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.)
> >>
> >> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have
> >> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my
> >> languages.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Martin Gansten
> >>
> >>
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