[INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?

[Martin Gansten]

Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I 
was simply interested in having the existence of this expression 
confirmed and learning how widespread it might be.

Best wishes,
Martin G.

Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY:
> If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century 
> people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the 
> answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the 
> same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world
>
> If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in 
> ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the 
> earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the Tēvāram
>
> See the well-known hymn Tēvāram 2:85
> which starts with:
>
> வேய் உறு தோளி பங்கன், விடம் உண்ட கண்டன், மிக நல்ல வீணை தடவி,
> மாசு அறு திங்கள் கங்கை முடிமேல் அணிந்து, என் உளமே புகுந்தஅதனால்---
> ஞாயிறு, திங்கள், செவ்வாய், புதன், வியாழம், வெள்ளி, சனி, பாம்புஇரண்டும், உடனே
> ஆசு அறும்; நல்லநல்ல; அவை நல்லநல்ல, அடியார்அவர்க்கு மிகவே.
>
> You can see சனி in the second line
>
> There does not seem to be references to  சனி in the older layer of 
> Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la 
> literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Français d'Indologie, 
> Pondichéry, 1967-1970)
>
> One should also mention (in connection with சனி) the well-known temple 
> described in
>
> https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf
>
> I hope this is useful
>
> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard
>
> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
>
>
>
>
>
> On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote:
>> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta 
>> /[= /adṛṣṭa/] 1.2), I read:
>>
>>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in 
>>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.)
>>
>> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have 
>> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my 
>> languages.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Martin Gansten
>>
>>
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