From heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de Thu Aug 1 08:24:42 2019 From: heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de (Heike Oberlin) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 19 10:24:42 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Oberlin_&_Shulman:_Two_Masterpieces_of_K=C5=AB=E1=B9=ADiy=C4=81=E1=B9=AD=E1=B9=ADam_=E2=80=93_Mantr=C4=81=E1=B9=85kam_and_A=E1=B9=85gul=C4=ABy=C4=81=E1=B9=85kam._OUP_2019?= Message-ID: [Publication announcement] Heike Oberlin & David Shulman (eds.). 2019. Two Masterpieces of K??iy???am: Mantr??kam and A?gul?y??kam. New Delhi: Oxford University Press. https://india.oup.com/product/two-masterpieces-of-kutiyattam-9780199483594?fbclid=IwAR2J16e3y61oUlOxqSYxewJdbTci69zzDRRCBbLJMC920pNSqifZuVLNG4c K??iy???am, India?s only living traditional Sanskrit theatre, has been continually performed in Kerala for at least a thousand years. The actors and drummers create an entire world in the empty space of the stage by using spectacular costumes and make-up and by an immensely rich interplay of words, rhythms, mime, and gestures. This volume focuses on Mantr??kam and A?gul?y??kam, the two great masterpieces of K??iy???am. It provides fundamental general remarks and relates them to pan-Indian reflections on aesthetics, philology, ritual studies, and history. Authored by scholars and active K??iy???am performers, this is the first attempt to bring together a set of sustained, multi-faceted interpretations of these masterpieces-in-performance. With an aim to open up this ancient art form to readers interested in South Indian culture, religion, theatre and performance studies, philology as well as literature, this volume offers a new way to access a major art form of pre-modern and modern Kerala. Table of contents Foreword (K.K. Gopalakrishan) Introduction (Heike Oberlin and David Shulman) Opening up A?gul?y??kam and Mantr??kam: Two Wondrous Crest Jewels of K??iy???am (Sudha Gopalakrishnan) Some Remarks on the ??caryac???ma?i: Reflections, Reflexivity, and Wonder (Lyne Bansat-Boudon) Mantr??kam Mantr??kam, an Ancient Integration Project? Its Structure and Composition (Heike Oberlin) What is Mantr??kam? (David Shulman) Pracchana B?rhaspatyam: Irony and Illusion, Reality, Reflection, and Play in Mantr??kam (Orly Hadani Nave) Reflection and Aru?: Creating ?iva on the K??iya??am Stage (Hemdat Salay) Vasantaka: Personal Considerations from within the Practice (Indu G.) Mantr??kam: An Arena for Experimentation (Elena Mucciarelli) The Mantr??kam Paribh??a from a Historical Linguistics Perspective (Ophira Gamliel) Tying the Universe: The Interplay of Veda and K??iy???am with special reference to Mantr??kam (Elena Mucciarelli and Heike Oberlin) A?gul?y??kam A?gul?y??kam, R?m?ya?a-V?da of the C?ky?rs (Virginie Johan) A?gul?y??kam: The N??yaveda of K??iy???am (Bhadra P.K.M. and Rajneesh B.) The World of Hanum?n: Creating a Fluid Cosmos on a Kerala K??iy???am Stage (Einat Bar-On Cohen) Distinct Conventions in the Staging of A?gul?y??kam K?ttu (Ammannur Kuttan Chakyar and Aparna Nangiar) Tying up My Experience of Performing A?gul?y??kam and Mantr??kam (Madhu Margi Chakyar) Knowing and Being: K??iy???am and Its Semantic Universe (Manu V. Devadevan) An Actor in Red and White: The C?ky?r Community and the Early Ma?ipr?va?am Corpus (Sivan Goren Arzony) Note on the Contributors Index ------------------- Prof. Dr. Heike Oberlin Eberhard Karls University of Tuebingen Institute of Asian and Oriental Studies (AOI) Dept. of Indology and Comparative Religion Keplerstr. 2 (room 139) ? 72074 Tuebingen ? Germany Phone +49 7071 29-74005 ? Mobile +49 176 20030066 heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/aoi/indologie/mitarbeiter/heike-oberlin-moser.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TwoMasterpieces2019.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 2032441 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Thu Aug 1 09:02:49 2019 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 19 09:02:49 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Oberlin_&_Shulman:_Two_Masterpieces_of_K=C5=AB=E1=B9=ADiy=C4=81=E1=B9=AD=E1=B9=ADam_=E2=80=93_Mantr=C4=81=E1=B9=85kam_and_A=E1=B9=85gul=C4=ABy=C4=81=E1=B9=85kam._OUP_2019?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aty??caryam! Aty??caryam! Congratulations to the editors and contributors for a much needed and, even without seeing it I have no doubt, superb volume. Kudos! Matthew Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Heike Oberlin via INDOLOGY Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:24:42 AM To: Indologylist Subject: [INDOLOGY] Oberlin & Shulman: Two Masterpieces of K??iy???am ? Mantr??kam and A?gul?y??kam. OUP 2019 [Publication announcement] Heike Oberlin & David Shulman (eds.). 2019. Two Masterpieces of K??iy???am: Mantr??kam and A?gul?y??kam. New Delhi: Oxford University Press. https://india.oup.com/product/two-masterpieces-of-kutiyattam-9780199483594?fbclid=IwAR2J16e3y61oUlOxqSYxewJdbTci69zzDRRCBbLJMC920pNSqifZuVLNG4c K??iy???am, India?s only living traditional Sanskrit theatre, has been continually performed in Kerala for at least a thousand years. The actors and drummers create an entire world in the empty space of the stage by using spectacular costumes and make-up and by an immensely rich interplay of words, rhythms, mime, and gestures. This volume focuses on Mantr??kam and A?gul?y??kam, the two great masterpieces of K??iy???am. It provides fundamental general remarks and relates them to pan-Indian reflections on aesthetics, philology, ritual studies, and history. Authored by scholars and active K??iy???am performers, this is the first attempt to bring together a set of sustained, multi-faceted interpretations of these masterpieces-in-performance. With an aim to open up this ancient art form to readers interested in South Indian culture, religion, theatre and performance studies, philology as well as literature, this volume offers a new way to access a major art form of pre-modern and modern Kerala. Table of contents Foreword (K.K. Gopalakrishan) Introduction (Heike Oberlin and David Shulman) Opening up * A?gul?y??kam and Mantr??kam: Two Wondrous Crest Jewels of K??iy???am (Sudha Gopalakrishnan) * Some Remarks on the ??caryac???ma?i: Reflections, Reflexivity, and Wonder (Lyne Bansat-Boudon) Mantr??kam * Mantr??kam, an Ancient Integration Project? Its Structure and Composition (Heike Oberlin) * What is Mantr??kam? (David Shulman) * Pracchana B?rhaspatyam: Irony and Illusion, Reality, Reflection, and Play in Mantr??kam (Orly Hadani Nave) * Reflection and Aru?: Creating ?iva on the K??iya??am Stage (Hemdat Salay) * Vasantaka: Personal Considerations from within the Practice (Indu G.) * Mantr??kam: An Arena for Experimentation (Elena Mucciarelli) * The Mantr??kam Paribh??a from a Historical Linguistics Perspective (Ophira Gamliel) * Tying the Universe: The Interplay of Veda and K??iy???am with special reference to Mantr??kam (Elena Mucciarelli and Heike Oberlin) A?gul?y??kam * A?gul?y??kam, R?m?ya?a-V?da of the C?ky?rs (Virginie Johan) * A?gul?y??kam: The N??yaveda of K??iy???am (Bhadra P.K.M. and Rajneesh B.) * The World of Hanum?n: Creating a Fluid Cosmos on a Kerala K??iy???am Stage (Einat Bar-On Cohen) * Distinct Conventions in the Staging of A?gul?y??kam K?ttu (Ammannur Kuttan Chakyar and Aparna Nangiar) Tying up * My Experience of Performing A?gul?y??kam and Mantr??kam (Madhu Margi Chakyar) * Knowing and Being: K??iy???am and Its Semantic Universe (Manu V. Devadevan) * An Actor in Red and White: The C?ky?r Community and the Early Ma?ipr?va?am Corpus (Sivan Goren Arzony) Note on the Contributors Index ------------------- Prof. Dr. Heike Oberlin Eberhard Karls University of Tuebingen Institute of Asian and Oriental Studies (AOI) Dept. of Indology and Comparative Religion Keplerstr. 2 (room 139) ? 72074 Tuebingen ? Germany Phone +49 7071 29-74005 ? Mobile +49 176 20030066 heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/aoi/indologie/mitarbeiter/heike-oberlin-moser.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Aug 1 13:18:47 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 19 06:18:47 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?? ???????? ?????????? ? ??????? ????? ??? ? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??????? Bound by your love, O Krishna, I do not seek freedom. O Lord, do not free me from your well-tied bond of love. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slaje at kabelmail.de Thu Aug 1 18:24:11 2019 From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 19 20:24:11 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pseudodoxia postorientalis (Fresh off the press I) Message-ID: Dear Fellow Indologists, I should like to draw your attention to a new publication: Reinhold Gr?nendahl: Pseudodoxia postorientalis. Erkundungen eines amerikanischen Diskurses ?ber die Indienrezeption in der Wilhelminischen Kaiserzeit (1871?1918). Halle: Universit?tsverlag 2019. 220 pp. 69,00 ? ISBN 978-3-86977-198-4 [Studia Indologica Universitatis Halensis. 12] Ausgangspunkt der hier vorgelegten Erkundungen ist ein 2013 erschie?nenes Buch von Perry Myers *(German Visions of India, 1871?1918)* ?ber die Wilhel?minische Indien?rezeption als ?Reso?nanz?boden? eines von Kolo?nia?lismus, ?Germano?zen?trismus?, Arier?tum, Anti?se?mitis?mus und anderen Ideo?logien gepr?gten Bem?hens um die Erneue?rung der natio?nalen, gesell?schaft?lichen und relig?i?sen Identit?t. Bei n?herer Betrach?tung zeigt sich, da? Myers? Thesen weniger aus seinen Quellen entwickelt oder durch sie begr?ndet als vielmehr auf zuweilen frag?w?r?dige Weise in sie hinein?proji?ziert sind. Das theo?retische Ger?st f?r sein Kon?strukt lieferte ihm vor allem der nunmehr ?ber drei?ig Jahre w?hrende ameri?kanische Diskurs ?ber ?German Orientalism?, hier insbe?sondere Suzanne Marchands *German Orientalism in the Age of Empire* (2009), weshalb auch ihre Thesen zur Wilhel?mi?nischen Indien?rezep?tion erkundet und den zu ihrer Begr?n?dung ange?f?hrten Quellen kritisch gegen??ber?gestellt werden. Ziel dieser Erkundungen ist nicht, die Thesen Myers? und Marchands in allen Einzel?heiten zu wider?legen, wie man wegen der Anspie?lung des Titels auf Thomas Brownes *Pseudodoxia epidemica* (1646) vermuten k?nnte. Vielmehr sollen an ihrem Beis?piel die Argu?men?ta?tions?muster und Kon?struk?tions?strate?gien heraus?gear?beitet werden, die zum festen Reper?toire solcher Diskurse ?ber vermeintlich proble?matische Aspekte der deut?schen Indien?rezep?tion geh?ren (wie vom Verfas?ser bereits 2012 in Band 5 dieser Reihe an ?hnl?ichem Material gezeigt). For extracts and details, cp. https://uvhw.de/studia-indologica/product/190628_08-198-4.html Orders can be placed by email: bestellung at uvhw.de or online: https://uvhw.de/warenkorb.html Kind regards, Walter Slaje -------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slaje at kabelmail.de Thu Aug 1 18:38:27 2019 From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 19 20:38:27 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Brahm=C4=81=E2=80=99s_Curse_(freshly_printed_II)?= Message-ID: Dear Fellow Indologists, it is my pleasure to draw your attention to another recent publication: Walter Slaje: Brahm??s Curse. Facets of Political and Social Violence in Premodern Kashmir. Halle: Universit?tsverlag 2019. 62 pp. 48,00 ? ISBN 978-3-86977-199-1 [Studia Indologica Universitatis Halensis. 13] The present book deals with Kashmir and some of its largely neglected social and political conditions of the past including the Islamization of the Valley in the early modern period. In the last decades research on Kashmir focussed essentially on textual sources of chiefly the religious and philosophical genres. Social misery, disasters, violence, famines, epidemics and wars, which perpetually ravaged the country during its long and well-documented history, were largely, if not entirely, ignored by academic studies of the above orientation. The resulting lopsided representation of Kashmir increased the romantic image inherited from the Mughals and contributed to the construction of the myth of an idyllic world in a glorious Hindu past before the advent of Islam. The two chapters making up this booklet try to put the picture of the premodern realities of life in Kashmir somewhat into perspective. The first chapter focusses on the centuries-old stereotype of Kashmir as a ?Happy Valley?. Particular attention is devoted to the prevailing clich? of the Brahmin class as non-violent and pacifist. The second chapter deals with different notions of an ?idol? *(m?rti)* from the Hindu, Buddhist and Abrahamic religions? view-points, as well as with the contrasting perceptions of the destruction of an idol by an iconoclast and his victim. Historic evidence of idol smashing in Kashmir in the pre-Islamic and Islamic periods will be analysed and presented together with the rationale of iconoclasm as maintained and debated by the Hindu and Muslim parties at the time. The chapter ends with an exposition of the sophisticated methods of desecrating Hindu and Buddhist sanctuaries in order to make them inoperative for all future. The title of this book refers to an old and widespread belief among Hindu Kashmiris that they had fallen under a curse by Brahm?, a curse, in which they see all their sufferings rooted. For extracts and details, cp. https://uvhw.de/studia-indologica/product/190701_08-199-1.html Orders can be placed by email: bestellung at uvhw.de or online: https://uvhw.de/warenkorb.html Kindly regarding, Walter Slaje --------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 22:14:37 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 19 18:14:37 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Translations of Natyasastra Message-ID: Dear list members, Can anyone give me information on english translations of N??ya??stra with or without the abhinavabh?rat?. Thank you, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Fri Aug 2 06:39:08 2019 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 19 06:39:08 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Translations of Natyasastra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The N??ya??stra ascribed to Bharata-muni. Vols. I (Chapters I-XXVII). Edited with an Introduction and Various Readings. By Manomohan Ghosh. Calcutta: Manisha Granthalaya, 1967. As far as (complete) editions is concerned there is the one from the Oriental Institute, Baroda. Translation: The N??ya??stra. A Treatise on Ancient Indian Dramaturgy and Histrionics ascribed to Bharata-muni. Vol. I (Chapters I-XXVII) Completely translated for the first time from the original Sanskrit with an Introduction, Various Notes and Index. By Manomohan Ghosh. Revised Second Edition. Calcutta: Manisha Granthalaya 1967 (first edition 1951) Vol. II (Chapters XXVIII?XXXVI). By Manohan Ghosh. Calcutta: The Asiatic Society, 1961 This is what I have. There is also a translation by N.P. Unni, but I haven't seen it. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: vrijdag 2 augustus 2019 0:14 Aan: Indology Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Translations of Natyasastra Dear list members, Can anyone give me information on english translations of N??ya??stra with or without the abhinavabh?rat?. Thank you, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com Fri Aug 2 07:06:58 2019 From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 19 07:06:58 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Translations of Natyasastra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1469525388.379756.1564729618441@mail.yahoo.com> >Ancient Indian Dramaturgy and Histrionics I would have avoided using 'histrionics' in the archaic sense if I'd chosen the title. Dean On Friday, August 2, 2019, 12:09:56 PM GMT+5:30, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY wrote: The N??ya??stra ascribed to Bharata-muni. Vols. I (Chapters I-XXVII). Edited with an Introduction and Various Readings. By Manomohan Ghosh. Calcutta: Manisha Granthalaya, 1967. As far as (complete) editions is concerned there is the one from the Oriental Institute, Baroda. Translation:The N??ya??stra. A Treatise on Ancient Indian Dramaturgy and Histrionics ascribed to Bharata-muni. Vol. I (Chapters I-XXVII)Completely translated for the first time from the original Sanskrit with an Introduction, Various Notes and Index. By Manomohan Ghosh. Revised Second Edition. Calcutta: Manisha Granthalaya 1967 (first edition 1951) Vol. II (Chapters XXVIII?XXXVI). By Manohan Ghosh. Calcutta: The Asiatic Society, 1961 This is what I have. There is also a translation by N.P. Unni, but I haven't seen it. Herman Herman TiekenStationsweg 582515 BP Den HaagThe Netherlands00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.comVan: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: vrijdag 2 augustus 2019 0:14 Aan: Indology Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Translations of Natyasastra Dear list members, Can anyone give me information on english translations of?N??ya??stra?with or without? the abhinavabh?rat?. Thank you,Harry Spier_______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Aug 2 13:37:06 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 19 06:37:06 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????? ??????: ???????? ??? ??????????? ??? ? ???????????? ??????????? ?????? ???? ?? ??????? The bond, if tied with you, is dearer to me than freedom from it. O Krishna, I am free from other bonds, and I am now the sandal paste on your feet. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slaje at kabelmail.de Fri Aug 2 18:53:27 2019 From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 19 20:53:27 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pseudodoxia postorientalis (Fresh off the press I) Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, since I was informed that my original post to this forum was not properly delivered to everyone, I am resending it with my customary apologies for cross-posting: Dear Fellow Indologists, I should like to draw your attention to a new publication: Reinhold Gr?nendahl: Pseudodoxia postorientalis. Erkundungen eines amerikanischen Diskurses ?ber die Indienrezeption in der Wilhelminischen Kaiserzeit (1871?1918). Halle: Universit?tsverlag 2019. 220 pp. 69,00 ? ISBN 978-3-86977-198-4 [Studia Indologica Universitatis Halensis. 12] Ausgangspunkt der hier vorgelegten Erkundungen ist ein 2013 erschie?nenes Buch von Perry Myers *(German Visions of India, 1871?1918)* ?ber die Wilhel?minische Indien?rezeption als ?Reso?nanz?boden? eines von Kolo?nia?lismus, ?Germano?zen?trismus?, Arier?tum, Anti?se?mitis?mus und anderen Ideo?logien gepr?gten Bem?hens um die Erneue?rung der natio?nalen, gesell?schaft?lichen und relig?i?sen Identit?t. Bei n?herer Betrach?tung zeigt sich, da? Myers? Thesen weniger aus seinen Quellen entwickelt oder durch sie begr?ndet als vielmehr auf zuweilen frag?w?r?dige Weise in sie hinein?proji?ziert sind. Das theo?retische Ger?st f?r sein Kon?strukt lieferte ihm vor allem der nunmehr ?ber drei?ig Jahre w?hrende ameri?kanische Diskurs ?ber ?German Orientalism?, hier insbe?sondere Suzanne Marchands *German Orientalism in the Age of Empire* (2009), weshalb auch ihre Thesen zur Wilhel?mi?nischen Indien?rezep?tion erkundet und den zu ihrer Begr?n?dung ange?f?hrten Quellen kritisch gegen??ber?gestellt werden. Ziel dieser Erkundungen ist nicht, die Thesen Myers? und Marchands in allen Einzel?heiten zu wider?legen, wie man wegen der Anspie?lung des Titels auf Thomas Brownes *Pseudodoxia epidemica* (1646) vermuten k?nnte. Vielmehr sollen an ihrem Beis?piel die Argu?men?ta?tions?muster und Kon?struk?tions?strate?gien heraus?gear?beitet werden, die zum festen Reper?toire solcher Diskurse ?ber vermeintlich proble?matische Aspekte der deut?schen Indien?rezep?tion geh?ren (wie vom Verfas?ser bereits 2012 in Band 5 dieser Reihe an ?hnl?ichem Material gezeigt). For extracts and details, cp. https://uvhw.de/studia-indologica/product/190628_08-198-4.html Orders can be placed by email: bestellung at uvhw.de or online: https://uvhw.de/warenkorb.html Kind regards, Walter Slaje ---------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slaje at kabelmail.de Fri Aug 2 18:58:29 2019 From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 19 20:58:29 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Brahm=C4=81=E2=80=99s_Curse_(freshly_printed_II)?= Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, since I was informed that my original post to this forum was not properly delivered, I am resending it with my customary apologies for cross-posting: Dear Fellow Indologists, it is my pleasure to draw your attention to another recent publication: Walter Slaje: Brahm??s Curse. Facets of Political and Social Violence in Premodern Kashmir. Halle: Universit?tsverlag 2019. 62 pp. 48,00 ? ISBN 978-3-86977-199-1 [Studia Indologica Universitatis Halensis. 13] The present book deals with Kashmir and some of its largely neglected social and political conditions of the past including the Islamization of the Valley in the early modern period. In the last decades research on Kashmir focussed essentially on textual sources of chiefly the religious and philosophical genres. Social misery, disasters, violence, famines, epidemics and wars, which perpetually ravaged the country during its long and well-documented history, were largely, if not entirely, ignored by academic studies of the above orientation. The resulting lopsided representation of Kashmir increased the romantic image inherited from the Mughals and contributed to the construction of the myth of an idyllic world in a glorious Hindu past before the advent of Islam. The two chapters making up this booklet try to put the picture of the premodern realities of life in Kashmir somewhat into perspective. The first chapter focusses on the centuries-old stereotype of Kashmir as a ?Happy Valley?. Particular attention is devoted to the prevailing clich? of the Brahmin class as non-violent and pacifist. The second chapter deals with different notions of an ?idol? *(m?rti)* from the Hindu, Buddhist and Abrahamic religions? view-points, as well as with the contrasting perceptions of the destruction of an idol by an iconoclast and his victim. Historic evidence of idol smashing in Kashmir in the pre-Islamic and Islamic periods will be analysed and presented together with the rationale of iconoclasm as maintained and debated by the Hindu and Muslim parties at the time. The chapter ends with an exposition of the sophisticated methods of desecrating Hindu and Buddhist sanctuaries in order to make them inoperative for all future. The title of this book refers to an old and widespread belief among Hindu Kashmiris that they had fallen under a curse by Brahm?, a curse, in which they see all their sufferings rooted. For extracts and details, cp. https://uvhw.de/studia-indologica/product/190701_08-199-1.html Orders can be placed by email: bestellung at uvhw.de or online: https://uvhw.de/warenkorb.html Kindly regarding, Walter Slaje ----------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Fri Aug 2 22:17:59 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 19 18:17:59 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Translations of Natyasastra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you to Ramakrishna Bhattacharya, Herman Tieken, Christophe Vielle, and Timothy Cahill for the references and links to the english translations. Harry Spier > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Fri Aug 2 22:21:26 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 19 18:21:26 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_English_translations_of_The_Rasaga=E1=B9=85g=C4=81dhara_of_Jagann=C4=81tha_Pa=E1=B9=87=E1=B8=8Dita?= Message-ID: Dear list members, Are there any english translations of all or parts of Rasaga?g?dhara of Jagann?tha Pa??ita . Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Sat Aug 3 02:14:50 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 19 22:14:50 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Translations of Natyasastra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Would anyone have a pdf of Subodhchandra Mukerjee. 1926. N??ya??stra of Bharata. [Chapt. 6: Ras?dhy?ya, On the Sentiments.] With the comm. Abhinavabh?rat? of Abhinavagupta. Ed. with an English translation of Ras?dhy?ya. Google books has this but its just in snippet view. and I couldn't find it on archive.org. Thanks, Harry Spier On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:17 PM Harry Spier wrote: > Thank you to Ramakrishna Bhattacharya, Herman Tieken, Christophe Vielle, > and Timothy Cahill for the references and links to the english translations. > Harry Spier > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Aug 3 13:06:13 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 19 06:06:13 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ? ?? ?????? ?????? ? ????? ???????? ?????????: ?? ????? ????????????? ??????? Being tied with you, I have no desire whatsoever for freedom [from you]. Which devotee, embraced by you with love, would pine for freedom? Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 10:38:37 2019 From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 19 16:08:37 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?B?W0lORE9MT0dZXSDgpLbgpL/gpLXgpJXgpYvgpLcgb2Yg4KS24KWN4KSw4KWA4KSY4KS+4KS44KWA4KSy4KS+4KSy?= Message-ID: Dear scholars, It gives me immense pleasure to present the following work in digitized format to the scholarly world. ?ivako?a of ?r? Gh?s?l?la https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/shivakosha_ghasilal/orig/shivakosha.txt Credits - mentioned in Metadata section. Corrections / feedback are warmly solicited. 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Patrick McCartney, PhD JSPS Fellow - Graduate School of Global Environmental Studies, Kyoto University, Japan Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, Japan Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development (OICD), Kyoto Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian National University Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National University Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney Phone + Whatsapp + Line: +81-80-9811-3235 Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap Yogascapes in Japan Academia Linkedin Modern Yoga Research *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Patrick McCartney, PhD JSPS Fellow - Graduate School of Global Environmental Studies, Kyoto University, Japan Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, Japan Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development (OICD), Kyoto Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian National University Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National University Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney Phone + Whatsapp + Line: +81-80-9811-3235 Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap Yogascapes in Japan Academia Linkedin Modern Yoga Research *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pu??: ?a?kara N?r?ya?a > Jo?? * > > > http://catalog.crl.edu/search~S35?/c90%2F61211+%28G%29/c90+61211+g/-3%2C-1%2C0%2CB/frameset&FF=c90+61211+g&1%2C1%2C#extraBibAnchor > > I've never done anything with microfilm before, so I'm a bit confused by > the process of the interlibrary thing as well. But, before I commit to > spending $1.30 per page (172pp), I'm wondering if anyone might already have > this as a pdf? > > Thanks. > > All the best, > > ????? ??????? > Patrick McCartney, PhD > JSPS Fellow - Graduate School of Global Environmental Studies, Kyoto > University, Japan > Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, > Japan > Research Affiliate - Organization for Identity and Cultural Development > (OICD), Kyoto > Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian > National University > Member - South Asia Research Institute (SARI), Australian National > University > > Skype / Zoom - psdmccartney > Phone + Whatsapp + Line: +81-80-9811-3235 > Twitter - @psdmccartney @yogascapesinjap > Yogascapes in Japan Academia > Linkedin > > Modern Yoga Research > > *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have accidentally discovered that the library in Munich holds a few Chakma manuscripts, so I was wondering if anyone might have any experience or tips on what other archives or collections might be worth contacting. Thank you and best regards, Jan Ku?era From glhart at berkeley.edu Tue Aug 6 16:46:35 2019 From: glhart at berkeley.edu (George Hart) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 19 12:46:35 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anne Monius Message-ID: <45575101-0F6B-45A9-A631-B9E34A13A732@berkeley.edu> Anne Monius, one of the foremost scholars of Tamil and South Asian religions, died unexpectedly a few days ago. This is grievous news ? the field of Tamil has lost one of its finest scholars and those of us who knew her have lost a treasured colleague and friend. https://hds.harvard.edu/news/remembering-anne-monius-distinguished-scholar-and-dedicated-mentor George Hart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is grievous news ? the field of Tamil has lost one of its finest scholars and those of us who knew her have lost a treasured colleague and friend. > > https://hds.harvard.edu/news/remembering-anne-monius-distinguished-scholar-and-dedicated-mentor > > George Hart > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Tue Aug 6 19:21:02 2019 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 19 21:21:02 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anne Monius In-Reply-To: <45575101-0F6B-45A9-A631-B9E34A13A732@berkeley.edu> Message-ID: This is a sad news indeed. It had been a pleasure to be directly in touch with her in Jerusalem at the Da??in conference in december 2015. I was hoping there would be more occasions in the future -- Jean-Luc Chevillard On 06/08/2019 18:46, George Hart via INDOLOGY wrote: > Anne Monius, one of the foremost scholars of Tamil and South Asian > religions, died unexpectedly a few days ago. This is grievous news ? the > field of Tamil has lost one of its finest scholars and those of us who > knew her have lost a treasured colleague and friend. > > https://hds.harvard.edu/news/remembering-anne-monius-distinguished-scholar-and-dedicated-mentor > > George Hart > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > From RDavidson at fairfield.edu Tue Aug 6 23:38:25 2019 From: RDavidson at fairfield.edu (Davidson, Ronald M.) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 19 23:38:25 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Sapta=C5=9Batik=C4=81_praj=C3=B1=C4=81p=C4=81ramit=C4=81?= Message-ID: Dear List: I am seeking a pdf of Giuseppe Tucci?s edition of the Sapta?atik? Praj??p?ramit?, in Memorie della Reale Accademia Nationale del Lincei, Classe di Scienze morali, storiche e filologiche 17, 1922 My library was unable to obtain this for me. Any assistance will be gratefully acknowledged. Sincerely, Ron Davidson ______________________________________________ Ronald M. Davidson, Ph.D. Professor of Religious Studies Co-director, Digital Humanities Consortium 345 Donnarumma Hall Fairfield University, 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield CT 06824-5195, U.S.A. 203-254-4000 x 2489 From dnreigle at gmail.com Tue Aug 6 23:48:37 2019 From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 19 17:48:37 -0600 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Sapta=C5=9Batik=C4=81_praj=C3=B1=C4=81p=C4=81ramit=C4=81?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have posted it here: http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/prajnaparamita_saptasatika_1923.pdf There is also a partial edition that I have posted: http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/prajnaparamita_saptasatika_partial_1930.pdf Best regards, David Reigle Colorado, USA On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:39 PM Davidson, Ronald M. via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear List: > > I am seeking a pdf of Giuseppe Tucci?s edition of the Sapta?atik? > Praj??p?ramit?, in Memorie della Reale Accademia Nationale del Lincei, > Classe di Scienze morali, storiche e filologiche > 17, 1922 > > My library was unable to obtain this for me. Any assistance will be > gratefully acknowledged. > > Sincerely, > Ron Davidson > > ______________________________________________ > Ronald M. Davidson, Ph.D. > Professor of Religious Studies > Co-director, Digital Humanities Consortium > 345 Donnarumma Hall > Fairfield University, 1073 North Benson Road > Fairfield CT 06824-5195, U.S.A. > 203-254-4000 x 2489 > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RDavidson at fairfield.edu Tue Aug 6 23:50:34 2019 From: RDavidson at fairfield.edu (Davidson, Ronald M.) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 19 23:50:34 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_[External]_Re:__Sapta=C5=9Batik=C4=81_praj=C3=B1=C4=81p=C4=81ramit=C4=81?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79065536-9FE7-4EA4-B200-503A64BCABD7@fairfield.edu> Much thanks to David Reigle for his posting of the text! Best wishes, Ron Davidson ______________________________________________ Ronald M. Davidson, Ph.D. Professor of Religious Studies Co-director, Digital Humanities Consortium 345 Donnarumma Hall Fairfield University, 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield CT 06824-5195, U.S.A. 203-254-4000 x 2489 From: David and Nancy Reigle Date: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 7:48 PM To: "Davidson, Ronald M." Cc: "indology at list.indology.info" Subject: [External] Re: [INDOLOGY] Sapta?atik? praj??p?ramit? I have posted it here: http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/prajnaparamita_saptasatika_1923.pdf There is also a partial edition that I have posted: http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/prajnaparamita_saptasatika_partial_1930.pdf Best regards, David Reigle Colorado, USA On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:39 PM Davidson, Ronald M. via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear List: I am seeking a pdf of Giuseppe Tucci?s edition of the Sapta?atik? Praj??p?ramit?, in Memorie della Reale Accademia Nationale del Lincei, Classe di Scienze morali, storiche e filologiche 17, 1922 My library was unable to obtain this for me. Any assistance will be gratefully acknowledged. Sincerely, Ron Davidson ______________________________________________ Ronald M. Davidson, Ph.D. Professor of Religious Studies Co-director, Digital Humanities Consortium 345 Donnarumma Hall Fairfield University, 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield CT 06824-5195, U.S.A. 203-254-4000 x 2489 _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From kauzeya at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 09:41:23 2019 From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 19 11:41:23 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_[External]_Re:_Sapta=C5=9Batik=C4=81_praj=C3=B1=C4=81p=C4=81ramit=C4=81?= In-Reply-To: <79065536-9FE7-4EA4-B200-503A64BCABD7@fairfield.edu> Message-ID: Just to mention, perhaps, that more than one scholar is working on this text at the moment. A number of years ago there was a PhD (? I think, but maybe MA?) thesis at the University of Tokyo, which reedited the text, but the author, as I understand it, left the field. There is also a student at Oxford working on the sutra. I'm not at all sure it is worthwhile to consult Tucci's edition, which is notoriously bad, quite often simply failing to make sense, something which has been known for ages. Ron doesn't say why he wants the edition, but if it is for anything other than purely historical reasons, I would not bother. Jonathan On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:15 AM Davidson, Ronald M. via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Much thanks to David Reigle for his posting of the text! > > Best wishes, > Ron Davidson > > ______________________________________________ > Ronald M. Davidson, Ph.D. > Professor of Religious Studies > Co-director, Digital Humanities Consortium > 345 Donnarumma Hall > Fairfield University, 1073 North Benson Road > Fairfield CT 06824-5195, U.S.A. > 203-254-4000 x 2489 > > From: David and Nancy Reigle > Date: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 7:48 PM > To: "Davidson, Ronald M." > Cc: "indology at list.indology.info" > Subject: [External] Re: [INDOLOGY] Sapta?atik? praj??p?ramit? > > I have posted it here: > > > http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/prajnaparamita_saptasatika_1923.pdf > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr_BookofDzyan_Sanskrit-2520Buddhist-2520Texts_prajnaparamita-5Fsaptasatika-5F1923.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=yWValfHuFXWAZeWXljoCMk3kKOSamX5DwoH7PrQgnQI&r=SAWhTITzo9yWI3nj7eAEFcsT2dM6SatcCHLShGhtxsI&m=CrjaRqVuyE_R_JvZbbb207GlIgjddDe34c9gZISFGmA&s=0FwT-QEzf0KLTnJVY_eCtAnc_GD4t6HAUJ116IQoRlY&e= > > > > There is also a partial edition that I have posted: > > > http://www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr/BookofDzyan/Sanskrit%20Buddhist%20Texts/prajnaparamita_saptasatika_partial_1930.pdf > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.downloads.prajnaquest.fr_BookofDzyan_Sanskrit-2520Buddhist-2520Texts_prajnaparamita-5Fsaptasatika-5Fpartial-5F1930.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=yWValfHuFXWAZeWXljoCMk3kKOSamX5DwoH7PrQgnQI&r=SAWhTITzo9yWI3nj7eAEFcsT2dM6SatcCHLShGhtxsI&m=CrjaRqVuyE_R_JvZbbb207GlIgjddDe34c9gZISFGmA&s=1nmIhr4yp3ReXMo2EB_EgQPYa2iouOzDazbhJi8q5lU&e= > > > > Best regards, > > David Reigle > Colorado, USA > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:39 PM Davidson, Ronald M. via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear List: > > I am seeking a pdf of Giuseppe Tucci?s edition of the Sapta?atik? > Praj??p?ramit?, in Memorie della Reale Accademia Nationale del Lincei, > Classe di Scienze morali, storiche e filologiche > 17, 1922 > > My library was unable to obtain this for me. Any assistance will be > gratefully acknowledged. > > Sincerely, > Ron Davidson > > ______________________________________________ > Ronald M. 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While most dictionaries, following Monier Williams, give meanings like ?drill?, the addenda to the Petersburg dictionary (at http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/6_sres/2_dict/schnzsw_u.htm) add the meaning udreka, i.e. ?abundance? etc. With this meaning the line can be interpreted as varcasvam ?yu?yam ?rogyam (subject), ?vidh?t (ablative) ?on account of abundance?, sobham?nam (quasi-predicate participle) ?shining, beautiful?, mah?yate ?prospers, is exalted' All the best, Hans/Hans Henrich On 9 Aug2019, at 20:34, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > wrote: Can someone explain to me the grammar of this line from the ?r?s?kta of the R?gveda Khila? ?r??.varcasvam.?yu?yam.?rogyam.?vidh?t.?obham?nam.mah?yate./ RvKh_2,6.24b Madhav M. 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This, then, would rather result in the meaning of ?eine Art Bohrer? (pw), ?an awl, a drill? (MW) for *?vidha*. *vyadhi* | *?vidhyanti ten?vidham* | *vyadhi *|| *hani *[...] || *yudhi* | *?yudhyante ten?yudham* || (Pata?jali?s Mbh, ed. Kielhorn, 3rd ed., Vol. II. Poona 1965, p. 150, 22ff) The idea of extracting shining beauty (*?obha*?/*?ubham?na*) by "drilling" with an instrument (similar to the well-known ?churning?) is perhaps not too far-fetched in the context of the ?r?s?kta. Regards, WS Am Sa., 10. Aug. 2019 um 05:25 Uhr schrieb Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > Here?s my take, Madhav; I hope it?s helpful > > The crux seems to be *?vidh?t*. While most dictionaries, following Monier > Williams, give meanings like ?drill?, the addenda to the Petersburg > dictionary (at > http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/6_sres/2_dict/schnzsw_u.htm) > add the meaning *udreka*, i.e. ?abundance? etc. > > With this meaning the line can be interpreted as *varcasvam ?yu?yam > ?rogyam* (subject), *?vidh?t* (ablative) ?on account of abundance?, > *sobham?nam* (quasi-predicate participle) ?shining, beautiful?, *mah?yate* ?prospers, > is exalted' > > All the best, > > Hans/Hans Henrich > > On 9 Aug2019, at 20:34, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Can someone explain to me the grammar of this line from the ?r?s?kta of > the R?gveda Khila? > > ?r??.varcasvam.?yu?yam.?rogyam.?vidh?t.?obham?nam.mah?yate./ RvKh_2,6.24b > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > ----------------------------- Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. 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Hrsg. und bearbeitet von J. > Scheftelowitz. [Indische Forschungen. 1]. Breslau 1906, p. 78.) > > > > The variant reading *?yudh?t* is of particular interest here, as *?yudha* > (?weapon, implement?) seems to have been regarded as semantically closely > related to *?vidh?t*, if we derive the meaning of *?vidha* with Indian > grammarians from *?*-?*vyadh* (cp. ?pte, and Pata?jali below). The > emergence of the explanatory variant *?yudha* is most likely to be > explained from this background. > > This, then, would rather result in the meaning of ?eine Art Bohrer? (pw), > ?an awl, a drill? (MW) for *?vidha*. > > > > *vyadhi* | *?vidhyanti ten?vidham* | *vyadhi *|| *hani *[...] || *yudhi* > | *?yudhyante ten?yudham* || > > > (Pata?jali?s Mbh, ed. Kielhorn, 3rd ed., Vol. II. Poona 1965, p. 150, > 22ff) > > > > The idea of extracting shining beauty (*?obha*?/*?ubham?na*) by > "drilling" with an instrument (similar to the well-known ?churning?) is > perhaps not too far-fetched in the context of the ?r?s?kta. > > > > Regards, > > WS > > Am Sa., 10. Aug. 2019 um 05:25 Uhr schrieb Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY > : > >> Here?s my take, Madhav; I hope it?s helpful >> >> The crux seems to be *?vidh?t*. While most dictionaries, following >> Monier Williams, give meanings like ?drill?, the addenda to the Petersburg >> dictionary (at >> http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/6_sres/2_dict/schnzsw_u.htm) >> add the meaning *udreka*, i.e. ?abundance? etc. >> >> With this meaning the line can be interpreted as *varcasvam ?yu?yam >> ?rogyam* (subject), *?vidh?t* (ablative) ?on account of abundance?, >> *sobham?nam* (quasi-predicate participle) ?shining, beautiful?, >> *mah?yate* ?prospers, is exalted' >> >> All the best, >> >> Hans/Hans Henrich >> >> On 9 Aug2019, at 20:34, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Can someone explain to me the grammar of this line from the ?r?s?kta of >> the R?gveda Khila? >> >> ?r??.varcasvam.?yu?yam.?rogyam.?vidh?t.?obham?nam.mah?yate./ RvKh_2,6.24b >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >> >> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > ----------------------------- > Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje > Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 > D-99425 Weimar > Deutschland > > Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor > studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum > non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, > sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus > humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. > Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Perhaps > Rudrata's most important contribution is the independence he shows in > challenging Bharata's traditional list: since any emotion can be "tasted", > the number of rasas is, he says, in principle limitless". > > Can any list member give me the actual sanskrit verse (and verse number) > from Rudrata. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Aug 11 12:56:58 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 19 05:56:58 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ???????? ?????? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ????????: ??????? Krishna, O Lord, I forgot the chanting of your name. Seeing your face again and again, I lost my awareness of myself. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Mon Aug 12 03:33:15 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 19 23:33:15 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_n=C4=81=E1=B9=ADya=C5=9B=C4=81stra_citation?= Message-ID: Dear list members, On page 49 of the Rasa Reader quotes a sentence from the n??ya??stra . "Discerning viewers relish the stable emotions manifested by the acting out of various transitory emotions and ractions . . . they feel joy and the like in doing so". He cites n??ya??stra 1.282 as the source (footnote 9), Further back on the page he cites n??ya??stra 1.342 but there are only 127 verses in chapter one. Am I missing something or are these verse numbers cited incorrect. If so can someone give me the correct citing for the sentence from Pollock that I quoted above. Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Mon Aug 12 06:40:46 2019 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 19 06:40:46 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_n=C4=81=E1=B9=ADya=C5=9B=C4=81stra_citation?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Harry, At this moment I do not have the opportunity to check, but I think Pollock(?) refers to Vol. I of the Baroda edition, page -- not verse -- 282. Besides verses, the rasa chapter consists of prose passage, which might explain references to page numbers. Also, check if the author refers to the original edition or the revised one, in which case the page numbers may differ. Beste wishes, Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: maandag 12 augustus 2019 5:33 Aan: Indology Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] n??ya??stra citation Dear list members, On page 49 of the Rasa Reader quotes a sentence from the n??ya??stra . "Discerning viewers relish the stable emotions manifested by the acting out of various transitory emotions and ractions . . . they feel joy and the like in doing so". He cites n??ya??stra 1.282 as the source (footnote 9), Further back on the page he cites n??ya??stra 1.342 but there are only 127 verses in chapter one. Am I missing something or are these verse numbers cited incorrect. If so can someone give me the correct citing for the sentence from Pollock that I quoted above. 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Message-ID: <48D68B9E-F09C-41B5-B2E1-04FA4EF11825@gmail.com> Hello Has anyone found a way to type Sanskrit diacritics in MS-Word on the Ipad? So far my attempts have been fruitless. Cheers James From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 12:13:33 2019 From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 19 14:13:33 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] article request Message-ID: Dear Indologists, anyone can share a copy of those articles: Dold, Patricia. 2014. ?Divine Domesticities in Hindu Theism: Introduction,? *Religious Studies and Theology: Special Issue on Hinduism* 33 (1):1-6. Dold, Patricia. 2013. "Re-imagining Religious History through Women's Song Performance at the Kamakhya Temple Site." In *Reimagining South Asian Religions: Essays in Honor of Professors Harold G. Coward and Ronald W. Neufeldt*, ed. by Michael Hawley and Pashaura Singh, 133?54. Leiden: Brill. Best, -- *Paolo E. Rosati* *PhD in Asian and African Studies(South Asia Section)Italian Institute of Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome* *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ * paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Mobile/Whatsapp: (+39) 338 73 83 472 Skype: paoloe.rosati Mail priva di virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Tue Aug 13 12:56:43 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 19 05:56:43 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ???????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ??????? The smile on the face of your father watching your play delights the entire world that is enchanted by watching your play. Madhav M. 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Best, Paolo Mail priva di virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> Il giorno mar 13 ago 2019 alle ore 17:06 Lubomir Ondracka < ondracka at ff.cuni.cz> ha scritto: > Dear Paolo, > > I have both articles. > > Greettings from Marrakesh, > Lubomir > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:13:33 +0200 > Paolo Eugenio Rosati via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > Dear Indologists, > > > > anyone can share a copy of those articles: > > > > Dold, Patricia. 2014. ?Divine Domesticities in Hindu Theism: > > Introduction,? *Religious > > Studies and Theology: Special Issue on Hinduism* 33 (1):1-6. > > > > Dold, Patricia. 2013. "Re-imagining Religious History through Women's > Song > > Performance at the Kamakhya Temple Site." In *Reimagining South Asian > > Religions: Essays in Honor of Professors Harold G. Coward and Ronald W. > > Neufeldt*, ed. by Michael Hawley and Pashaura Singh, 133?54. Leiden: > Brill. > > > > Best, > > > > -- > > *Paolo E. Rosati* > > > > > > > > *PhD in Asian and African Studies(South Asia Section)Italian Institute of > > Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome* > > > > *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ > > * > > paoloe.rosati at gmail.com > > Mobile/Whatsapp: (+39) 338 73 83 472 > > Skype: paoloe.rosati > > > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > Mail > > priva di virus. www.avast.com > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- *Paolo E. Rosati* *PhD in Asian and African Studies(South Asia Section)Italian Institute of Oriental Studies ?'Sapienza' University of Rome* *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ * paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Mobile/Whatsapp: (+39) 338 73 83 472 Skype: paoloe.rosati Mail priva di virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.malcolm.keating at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 23:15:36 2019 From: c.malcolm.keating at gmail.com (Malcolm Keating) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 19 07:15:36 +0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? (James Hartzell) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear James, While perhaps not "easy," here is what I have done: I opened up the IAST in my browser and went to Settings > General > Keyboards and opened up the Text Replacement dialog . It was a bit tedious, but using copy-paste, I set up a system of shortcuts which would allow me to type, for instance, .s and have the iPad replace it with ?. There are two important limitations to this approach, if you want to follow it: 1. You can't set up 'S and 's for ? and ?, but instead you must have a distinct shortcut like '^s for ?. This is because text replacement is not case-sensitive. If you want to be able to type capital letters, you'll need a different shortcut. 2. You need to have spaces between the shortcuts. For instance, if I want to type "Bha??a" I can't just type "Bha.t.ta" if my shortcut is .t as the iPad only recognizes the shortcut when it is entered as "Bha .t .t a." This means that composition is slower. I'm not sure why Apple has decided not to enable the ABC-Extended keyboard on iPads, and so far I haven't encountered a third-party app that allows IAST typing on the OS. If anyone has solved this problem, let me know! Best, Malcolm > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: James Hartzell > To: indology at list.indology.info > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:41:17 +0200 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? > Hello > > Has anyone found a way to type Sanskrit diacritics in MS-Word on the Ipad? > > So far my attempts have been fruitless. > > Cheers > James > > -- -- Malcolm Keating Yale-NUS College | Assistant Professor | Humanities Division (Philosophy) | malcolm.keating at yale-nus.edu.sg Office hours may be scheduled here: https://malcolmkeating.youcanbook.me Academic website: http://www.malcolmkeating.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org Tue Aug 13 23:31:23 2019 From: r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 19 11:31:23 +1200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? (James Hartzell) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear James, Would this help? Keyman for iPhone and iPad https://keyman.com/iphone-and-ipad/ Best, Richard -- Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ T: +6433121699 M: +64210640216 r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Keating via INDOLOGY Reply-To: cmalcolmkeating at gmail.com To: indology at list.indology.info Cc: Malcolm Keating Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? (James Hartzell) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 07:15:36 +0800 Dear James, While perhaps not "easy," here is what I have done: I opened up the IAST in my browser and went to Settings > General > Keyboards and opened up the Text Replacement dialog. It was a bit tedious, but using copy-paste, I set up a system of shortcuts which would allow me to type, for instance, .s and have the iPad replace it with ?. There are two important limitations to this approach, if you want to follow it: You can't set up 'S and 's for ? and ?, but instead you must have a distinct shortcut like '^s for ?. This is because text replacement is not case-sensitive. If you want to be able to type capital letters, you'll need a different shortcut. You need to have spaces between the shortcuts. For instance, if I want to type "Bha??a" I can't just type "Bha.t.ta" if my shortcut is .t as the iPad only recognizes the shortcut when it is entered as "Bha .t .t a." This means that composition is slower. I'm not sure why Apple has decided not to enable the ABC-Extended keyboard on iPads, and so far I haven't encountered a third-party app that allows IAST typing on the OS. If anyone has solved this problem, let me know! Best, Malcolm > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: James Hartzell > To: indology at list.indology.info > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:41:17 +0200 > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? > Hello > > Has anyone found a way to type Sanskrit diacritics in MS-Word on the > Ipad? > > So far my attempts have been fruitless. > > Cheers > James > _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 00:09:41 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 19 20:09:41 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? In-Reply-To: <48D68B9E-F09C-41B5-B2E1-04FA4EF11825@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi James, I`ve used UKELELE a few years ago . Theres a bit of a learning curve. https://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=ukelele Harry Spier On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 2:42 AM James Hartzell via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Hello > > Has anyone found a way to type Sanskrit diacritics in MS-Word on the Ipad? > > So far my attempts have been fruitless. > > Cheers > James > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aag227 at cornell.edu Wed Aug 14 00:15:25 2019 From: aag227 at cornell.edu (Anya Golovkova) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 19 20:15:25 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? Message-ID: Dear all, In addition to James Hartzell's question regarding EasyUnicode for ipad, I would ask if there is a way to use this keyboard layout on a non-Mac computer. Many thanks! Anya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 01:32:46 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 19 21:32:46 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Anya, For Word on Windows you can define shortcut keys. Just go to the insert symbols menu and press "shorcut key" and then define what you want for letters with diacriticals. I used Alt + the character for diacritical under the letter and ctrl+ the character for diacritical above the letter. Alt+ctrl + the character if there is a diacritical above and below the character, and a few others for the nasals. Harry Spier On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:16 PM Anya Golovkova via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all, > > In addition to James Hartzell's question regarding EasyUnicode for ipad, I > would ask if there is a way to use this keyboard layout on a non-Mac > computer. > > Many thanks! > Anya > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 07:22:50 2019 From: rolfheiner.koch at gmail.com (Rolf Heinrich Koch) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 19 09:22:50 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you like to use Unicode-letters for all Windows-apps incl. Explorer, Firefox etc.: Write a small exe-file with the (free) /AutoHotkey/-app and copy this exe-file into the Autostart-folder of Windows. It is really very easy: You just write a list assigning unicode-letters to any keyshortcut you like. Best Heiner Am 14.08.2019 um 03:32 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY: > Dear Anya, > For Word on Windows you can define shortcut keys. Just go to the > insert symbols menu and press "shorcut key" and then define what you > want for letters with diacriticals.? I used Alt?+ the character for > diacritical under the letter and ctrl+ the character for diacritical > above the letter.? Alt+ctrl?+ the character if there is a diacritical > above and below the character, and a few others for the nasals. > Harry Spier > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:16 PM Anya Golovkova via INDOLOGY > > wrote: > > Dear all, > > In addition to James Hartzell's question regarding EasyUnicode for > ipad, I would ask if there is a way to use this keyboard layout on > a non-Mac computer. > > Many thanks! > Anya > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info > (messages to the list's > managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org Wed Aug 14 07:57:57 2019 From: r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 19 19:57:57 +1200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY Reply-To: Rolf Heinrich Koch To: indology at list.indology.info Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 09:22:50 +0200 Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 If you like to use Unicode-letters for all Windows-apps incl. Explorer, Firefox etc.: Write a small exe-file with the (free) AutoHotkey-app and copy this exe-file into the Autostart-folder of Windows. It is really very easy: You just write a list assigning unicode-letters to any keyshortcut you like. Best Heiner Am 14.08.2019 um 03:32 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY: > > Dear Anya, > For Word on Windows you can define shortcut keys. Just go > to the insert symbols menu and press "shorcut key" and > then > define what you want for letters with diacriticals. I > used > Alt + the character for diacritical under the letter and > ctrl+ > the character for diacritical above the letter. > Alt+ctrl + > the character if there is a diacritical above and below > the > character, and a few others for the nasals. > Harry Spier > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:16 > PM Anya Golovkova via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > In addition to James Hartzell's question regarding > > EasyUnicode for ipad, I would ask if there is a way > > to use > > this keyboard layout on a non-Mac computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks! > > Anya > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > (messages to the list's managing committee) > > > > http://listinfo.indology.info > > (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________INDOLOGY > mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your > list options or unsubscribe) > -- www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com _______________________________________________INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) And for Emacs the following still works: UTF-8 input framework for GNU Emacs: utf-8-input.elhttps://indica-et-buddhica.org/repositorium/software/emacs-utf8-input-framework Best, Richard -- Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ T: +6433121699 M: +64210640216 r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try Vidyut phonetic keyboard or Vaidika keyboard On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 1:29 PM Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica via INDOLOGY wrote: > > And for Emacs the following still works: > > UTF-8 input framework for GNU Emacs: utf-8-input.el > > https://indica-et-buddhica.org/repositorium/software/emacs-utf8-input-framework > > > Best, Richard > > > -- > > Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica > > Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ > T: +6433121699 M: +64210640216 > r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org > > https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ > > -----Original Message----- > *From*: Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY > > > *Reply-To*: Rolf Heinrich Koch > > *To*: indology at list.indology.info > *Subject*: Re: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? > *Date*: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 09:22:50 +0200 > *Mailer*: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 > Thunderbird/60.8.0 > > If you like to use Unicode-letters for all Windows-apps incl. Explorer, > Firefox etc.: > > Write a small exe-file with the (free) *AutoHotkey*-app and copy this > exe-file into the Autostart-folder of Windows. > > It is really very easy: You just write a list assigning unicode-letters to > any keyshortcut you like. > > Best > > Heiner > Am 14.08.2019 um 03:32 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY: > > Dear Anya, > For Word on Windows you can define shortcut keys. Just go to the insert > symbols menu and press "shorcut key" and then define what you want for > letters with diacriticals. I used Alt + the character for diacritical > under the letter and ctrl+ the character for diacritical above the letter. > Alt+ctrl + the character if there is a diacritical above and below the > character, and a few others for the nasals. > Harry Spier > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:16 PM Anya Golovkova via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear all, > > In addition to James Hartzell's question regarding EasyUnicode for ipad, I > would ask if there is a way to use this keyboard layout on a non-Mac > computer. > > Many thanks! > Anya > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > (messages to the list's managing committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info > > (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > -- > > www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > > indology-owner at list.indology.info > > (messages to the list's managing committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info > > (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jan.kucera at matfyz.cz Wed Aug 14 08:49:13 2019 From: jan.kucera at matfyz.cz (jan.kucera at matfyz.cz) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 19 09:49:13 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The other option for Windows users that does not require any 3rd party tools or other hacks and doesn?t interfere with keyboard shortcuts is to create your own keyboard layout using Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator . I took the layout I usually use and added some combining diacritics, but you can use precomposed characters if preferred. Another advantage of this solution is that you might be able to get the IT to deploy your keyboard to the department. For people who are using their custom shortcuts, would they mind sharing which shortcuts they use for which characters? Best regards, Jan From: INDOLOGY On Behalf Of Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY Sent: st?eda 14. srpna 2019 8:23 To: indology at list.indology.info Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? If you like to use Unicode-letters for all Windows-apps incl. Explorer, Firefox etc.: Write a small exe-file with the (free) AutoHotkey-app and copy this exe-file into the Autostart-folder of Windows. It is really very easy: You just write a list assigning unicode-letters to any keyshortcut you like. Best Heiner Am 14.08.2019 um 03:32 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY: Dear Anya, For Word on Windows you can define shortcut keys. Just go to the insert symbols menu and press "shorcut key" and then define what you want for letters with diacriticals. I used Alt + the character for diacritical under the letter and ctrl+ the character for diacritical above the letter. Alt+ctrl + the character if there is a diacritical above and below the character, and a few others for the nasals. 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AltCtrl. + s = ? using additional Shift-key for Uppercase letters Heiner Am 14.08.2019 um 10:49 schrieb Jan Kucera via INDOLOGY: > > The other option for Windows users that does not require any 3^rd > party tools or other hacks and doesn?t interfere with keyboard > shortcuts is to create your own keyboard layout using Microsoft > Keyboard Layout Creator > . I > took the layout I usually use and added some combining diacritics, but > you can use precomposed characters if preferred. Another advantage of > this solution is that you might be able to get the IT to deploy your > keyboard to the department. > > For people who are using their custom shortcuts, would they mind > sharing which shortcuts they use for which characters? > > Best regards, > > Jan > > *From:*INDOLOGY *On Behalf Of > *Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* st?eda 14. srpna 2019 8:23 > *To:* indology at list.indology.info > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? > > If you like to use Unicode-letters for all Windows-apps incl. > Explorer, Firefox etc.: > > Write a small exe-file with the (free) /AutoHotkey/-app and copy this > exe-file into the Autostart-folder of Windows. > > It is really very easy: You just write a list assigning > unicode-letters to any keyshortcut you like. > > Best > > Heiner > > Am 14.08.2019 um 03:32 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY: > > Dear Anya, > > For Word on Windows you can define shortcut keys. Just go to the > insert symbols menu and press "shorcut key" and then define what > you want for letters with diacriticals.? I used Alt?+ the > character for diacritical under the letter and ctrl+ the character > for diacritical above the letter.? Alt+ctrl?+ the character if > there is a diacritical above and below the character, and a few > others for the nasals. > > Harry Spier > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:16 PM Anya Golovkova via INDOLOGY > > > wrote: > > Dear all, > > In addition to James Hartzell's question regarding EasyUnicode > for ipad, I would ask if there is a way to use this keyboard > layout on a non-Mac computer. > > Many thanks! > > Anya > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info > (messages to the > list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > -- > www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhododaktylos at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 11:11:00 2019 From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 19 12:11:00 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? In-Reply-To: <5da23e34-a7fc-ebd3-a46a-654e6a87e0eb@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear all, I'm not sure whether this is the answer to the question asked, but if the goal here is to easily type nagari and transliterated Sanskrit, Keyman seems the simplest way to go (when it asks you to pick a keyboard, go for the Heidelberg Input Solution; the only two shortcuts you need to define are for activating each keyboard/switching between them - in my case, I picked CTRL+D and CTRL+T, respectively). Hope this helps, Antonia On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 10:03 Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY, < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > I assigned the Unicode-letters like this and use them with all apps > running within all win7 and win10s-apps: > > AltCtrl. + a = ? > AltCtrl. + u = ? > AltCtrl. + i = ? > > AltCtrl. + y = ? > AltCtrl. + n = ? > AltCtrl. + b = ? > AltCtrl. + v = ? > AltCtrl. + m = ? > Win + m = ? > > AltCtrl. + l = ? > AltCtrl. + r = ? > AltCtrl. + w = ? > AltCtrl. + d = ? > AltCtrl. + t = ? > AltCtrl. + h = ? > AltCtrl. + z = ? > AltCtrl. + s = ? > > using additional Shift-key for Uppercase letters > > Heiner > > > Am 14.08.2019 um 10:49 schrieb Jan Kucera via INDOLOGY: > > The other option for Windows users that does not require any 3rd party > tools or other hacks and doesn?t interfere with keyboard shortcuts is to > create your own keyboard layout using Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator > . I took > the layout I usually use and added some combining diacritics, but you can > use precomposed characters if preferred. Another advantage of this solution > is that you might be able to get the IT to deploy your keyboard to the > department. > > > > For people who are using their custom shortcuts, would they mind sharing > which shortcuts they use for which characters? > > > > Best regards, > > Jan > > > > *From:* INDOLOGY > *On Behalf Of *Rolf Heinrich Koch > via INDOLOGY > *Sent:* st?eda 14. srpna 2019 8:23 > *To:* indology at list.indology.info > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? > > > > If you like to use Unicode-letters for all Windows-apps incl. Explorer, > Firefox etc.: > > Write a small exe-file with the (free) *AutoHotkey*-app and copy this > exe-file into the Autostart-folder of Windows. > > It is really very easy: You just write a list assigning unicode-letters to > any keyshortcut you like. > > Best > > Heiner > > Am 14.08.2019 um 03:32 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY: > > Dear Anya, > > For Word on Windows you can define shortcut keys. Just go to the insert > symbols menu and press "shorcut key" and then define what you want for > letters with diacriticals. I used Alt + the character for diacritical > under the letter and ctrl+ the character for diacritical above the letter. > Alt+ctrl + the character if there is a diacritical above and below the > character, and a few others for the nasals. > > Harry Spier > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:16 PM Anya Golovkova via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > In addition to James Hartzell's question regarding EasyUnicode for ipad, I > would ask if there is a way to use this keyboard layout on a non-Mac > computer. > > > > Many thanks! > > Anya > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > -- > > www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing listINDOLOGY at list.indology.infoindology-owner@list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > -- www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This gives me some options to tie me over until I can use a Mac again. I will attempt to program shortcuts using the same keyboard layout as the EasyUnicode keyboard uses. If I can make it work, there will be no need to learn another layout. Best wishes, Anya > On Aug 14, 2019, at 7:11 AM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear all, > > I'm not sure whether this is the answer to the question asked, but if the goal here is to easily type nagari and transliterated Sanskrit, Keyman seems the simplest way to go (when it asks you to pick a keyboard, go for the Heidelberg Input Solution; the only two shortcuts you need to define are for activating each keyboard/switching between them - in my case, I picked CTRL+D and CTRL+T, respectively). > > Hope this helps, > Antonia > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 10:03 Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY, wrote: >> >> I assigned the Unicode-letters like this and use them with all apps running within all win7 and win10s-apps: >> >> AltCtrl. + a = ? >> AltCtrl. + u = ? >> AltCtrl. + i = ? >> >> AltCtrl. + y = ? >> AltCtrl. + n = ? >> AltCtrl. + b = ? >> AltCtrl. + v = ? >> AltCtrl. + m = ? >> Win + m = ? >> >> AltCtrl. + l = ? >> AltCtrl. + r = ? >> AltCtrl. + w = ? >> AltCtrl. + d = ? >> AltCtrl. + t = ? >> AltCtrl. + h = ? >> AltCtrl. + z = ? >> AltCtrl. + s = ? >> >> using additional Shift-key for Uppercase letters >> >> Heiner >> >> >> >>> Am 14.08.2019 um 10:49 schrieb Jan Kucera via INDOLOGY: >>> The other option for Windows users that does not require any 3rd party tools or other hacks and doesn?t interfere with keyboard shortcuts is to create your own keyboard layout using Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator. I took the layout I usually use and added some combining diacritics, but you can use precomposed characters if preferred. Another advantage of this solution is that you might be able to get the IT to deploy your keyboard to the department. >>> >>> >>> >>> For people who are using their custom shortcuts, would they mind sharing which shortcuts they use for which characters? >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Jan >>> >>> >>> >>> From: INDOLOGY On Behalf Of Rolf Heinrich Koch via INDOLOGY >>> Sent: st?eda 14. srpna 2019 8:23 >>> To: indology at list.indology.info >>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? >>> >>> >>> >>> If you like to use Unicode-letters for all Windows-apps incl. Explorer, Firefox etc.: >>> >>> Write a small exe-file with the (free) AutoHotkey-app and copy this exe-file into the Autostart-folder of Windows. >>> >>> It is really very easy: You just write a list assigning unicode-letters to any keyshortcut you like. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Heiner >>> >>> Am 14.08.2019 um 03:32 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY: >>> >>> Dear Anya, >>> >>> For Word on Windows you can define shortcut keys. Just go to the insert symbols menu and press "shorcut key" and then define what you want for letters with diacriticals. I used Alt + the character for diacritical under the letter and ctrl+ the character for diacritical above the letter. Alt+ctrl + the character if there is a diacritical above and below the character, and a few others for the nasals. >>> >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:16 PM Anya Golovkova via INDOLOGY wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> In addition to James Hartzell's question regarding EasyUnicode for ipad, I would ask if there is a way to use this keyboard layout on a non-Mac computer. >>> >>> >>> >>> Many thanks! >>> >>> Anya >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>> -- >>> www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> -- >> www.rolfheinrichkoch.wordpress.com >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c.malcolm.keating at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 00:29:36 2019 From: c.malcolm.keating at gmail.com (Malcolm Keating) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 19 08:29:36 +0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? (James Hartzell) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Richard, Keyman is very useful, thank you for sharing that. The only limitation I can see (which Keyman confirmed when I asked them) is that on iOS, they don't have access to hardware keyboards when it's running as a system keyboard. That means that if you want to use your iPad for sustained composition, in place of a laptop, you are restricted to the on-screen keyboard if you use Keyman. So I think there's still no way to robustly integrate diacritics with a bluetooth keyboard on iPad. But I'm happy to learn that I'm wrong. Best, Malcolm > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica" < > r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org> > To: indology at list.indology.info > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:31:23 +1200 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? (James Hartzell) > Dear James, > > Would this help? > > Keyman for iPhone and iPad > https://keyman.com/iphone-and-ipad/ > > > > Best, Richard > > > -- > Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica > > Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ > T: +6433121699 M: +64210640216 > r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org > > https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Keating via INDOLOGY > Reply-To: cmalcolmkeating at gmail.com > To: indology at list.indology.info > Cc: Malcolm Keating > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? (James Hartzell) > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 07:15:36 +0800 > > Dear James, > While perhaps not "easy," here is what I have done: > > I opened up the IAST in my browser and went to Settings > General > > Keyboards and opened up the Text Replacement dialog. It was a bit > tedious, but using copy-paste, I set up a system of shortcuts which > would allow me to type, for instance, .s and have the iPad replace it > with ?. > > There are two important limitations to this approach, if you want to > follow it: > You can't set up 'S and 's for ? and ?, but instead you must have a > distinct shortcut like '^s for ?. This is because text replacement is > not case-sensitive. If you want to be able to type capital letters, > you'll need a different shortcut. > You need to have spaces between the shortcuts. For instance, if I want > to type "Bha??a" I can't just type "Bha.t.ta" if my shortcut is .t as > the iPad only recognizes the shortcut when it is entered as "Bha .t .t > a." This means that composition is slower. > I'm not sure why Apple has decided not to enable the ABC-Extended > keyboard on iPads, and so far I haven't encountered a third-party app > that allows IAST typing on the OS. If anyone has solved this problem, > let me know! > > Best, > Malcolm > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: James Hartzell > > To: indology at list.indology.info > > Cc: > > Bcc: > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:41:17 +0200 > > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? > > Hello > > > > Has anyone found a way to type Sanskrit diacritics in MS-Word on the > > Ipad? > > > > So far my attempts have been fruitless. > > > > Cheers > > James > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org Thu Aug 15 01:03:59 2019 From: r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 19 13:03:59 +1200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? (James Hartzell) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e02666d5522f141fae6a6e3bc2eae40ddacdf71.camel@indica-et-buddhica.org> Dear Malcolm, This is curious. I don't use a Mac, and Windows only for a few things, mostly Adobe CS6 &c. Windows 10 runs in an instance of Oracle's VirtualBox and I connect to it using an ancient IBM PS2 keyboard --the really loud clicky type-- made, just checked on the back, in June 1990. The keyboard connects directly to the laptop through some sort of hardware USB emulator. Still, given all this, the Windows version of Keyman runs just fine, no issues at all. Would the ordinary Mac version of Keyman install on your iPad? Would that work with your keyboard? From my experience, it really is a good, reliable application. Best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Keating via INDOLOGY Reply-To: cmalcolmkeating at gmail.com To: indology at list.indology.info Cc: Malcolm Keating Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? (James Hartzell) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 08:29:36 +0800 Dear Richard, Keyman is very useful, thank you for sharing that. The only limitation I can see (which Keyman confirmed when I asked them) is that on iOS, they don't have access to hardware keyboards when it's running as a system keyboard. That means that if you want to use your iPad for sustained composition, in place of a laptop, you are restricted to the on-screen keyboard if you use Keyman. So I think there's still no way to robustly integrate diacritics with a bluetooth keyboard on iPad. But I'm happy to learn that I'm wrong. Best, Malcolm > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica" < > r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org> > To: indology at list.indology.info > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:31:23 +1200 > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Easy unicode for ipad? (James Hartzell) > Dear James, > > > > Would this help? > > > > Keyman for iPhone and iPad > > https://keyman.com/iphone-and-ipad/ > > > > > > > > Best, Richard > > > > > > _______________________________________________INDOLOGY mailing > listINDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee)http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your > list options or unsubscribe) -- Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ T: +6433121699 M: +64210640216 r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5D553523.9060703@uni-muenchen.de> There is also John Smith's keyboard layout for Windows at http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/induni/index.html (however, I have no experience with it myself, being a Mac and Linux user). RZ -- Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos Institute of Indology and Tibetology Department of Asian Studies Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU) Germany From james.hartzell at gmail.com Thu Aug 15 11:06:58 2019 From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 19 12:06:58 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? In-Reply-To: <5D553523.9060703@uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: Thanks Richard, Harry, Malcolm, Robert for your suggestions?I will experiment and if I can solve it I will report back Cheers James > On 15 Aug 2019, at 11:34, Robert Zydenbos via INDOLOGY wrote: > > There is also John Smith's keyboard layout for Windows at http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/induni/index.html (however, I have no experience with it myself, being a Mac and Linux user). > > RZ > > > -- > Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos > Institute of Indology and Tibetology > Department of Asian Studies > Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU) > Germany > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Aug 15 12:47:41 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 19 05:47:41 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ???????????: ??? ?? ??? ???? ???????????: ?????????:????????????????????????? ????:?????? ? ???????? ??????? ????????? ????? ???????? ???? ???? ??? ?????????????? ????????????????????? ??????? O Krishna, how did your mark of musk came to be engraved on my forehead, and how did the Kaustubha jewel residing on your chest come to appear on my chest? How did this dwelling of mine start shining like Vraja? What is this wonderful thing happening? Oh, I am probably dreaming. 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The three-week intensive course?Lived Sanskrit Cultures in Varanasi?(Feb 17 to March 6, 2020) is**designed to impart a practice-oriented training in methods of cultural and religious studies, focusing on how Sanskrit texts are taught, applied, enacted, inscribed in spaces and lived by practitioners, women and men, in Varanasi. *Areas of study:* *Teaching Sanskrit and the Veda ? Performing Rituals ? Processions in Varanasi ? Goddess Temples in Varanasi ? Indian Calendrical Systems ? A Crash Course in Spoken Sanskrit*** *Course fee:*890 Euro. This fee includes accommodation in double rooms, breakfast, dinner and local transport. For single room accommodation the charge is 500 Euro extra. *Application deadline:*31st Oct. 2019 *Language of instruction:*English *Max. strength:*12 students *Eligibility*: Applications are invited by students registered at a university or another academic institution. This course is suitable for students who are studying in B.A./M.A. or researchers working in these areas. It is open to students hailing from any part of the world. Knowledge of Sanskrit is mandatory (equivalent to at least 1 year of university level courses). In addition, working knowledge of Hindi is desirable, but no prerequisite for the course. Moreover, previous exposure to Varanasi or India is useful. For large parts of the course, participants will work in teams. Willingness and ability for team work is therefore an essential precondition. *Organizers:* Prof. Dr. Ute H?sken (Heidelberg University) Prof. Dr. J?rg Gengnagel (W?rzburg University) Dr. Vinita Chandra (IIT / Banaras Hindu University) *Contact:*heidelberg-sanskrit at uni-heidelberg.de *Detailed information on the 2020 course:* https://sai.uni-heidelberg.de/hdsanskrit http://www.indologie.uni-wuerzburg.de/aktuell/ With best regards Ute H?sken, J?rg Gengnagel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From collinb1 at ohio.edu Thu Aug 15 13:57:35 2019 From: collinb1 at ohio.edu (Collins, Brian) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 19 13:57:35 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF request Message-ID: <133B2DB6-A57B-411C-BA34-1567F6E9E032@ohio.edu> Dear List, Does anyone happen to have a copy of Edward C. Dimock?s, "A Theology of the Repulsive: The Myth of the Goddess ??tal?? from The Sound of Silent Guns? I would be most grateful. Thanks, Brian Assoc. 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It belongs to both the character and to the spectator". Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Fri Aug 16 06:31:51 2019 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 19 06:31:51 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Statement_on_sth=C4=81yibh=C4=81va?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Harry, I do not have the books at hand. However, you might have a look at an article of mine, titled "On the Use of Rasa in Studies of Sanskrit Drama" IIJ 43/2 (2000), pp. 115-138. In this article I show, among other things, that in the Natyasastra the distinction between bhavas and sthayibhavas is less stable than is often assumed. You may find a pdf of the article on my website. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: donderdag 15 augustus 2019 22:01 Aan: Indology Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Statement on sth?yibh?va Dear list members, On page 23 of Aesthetic Rapture by Masson and Patwardhan , their work on chapter 6 of N??ya??stra by Bharata is given a definition of sth?yibh?va . "Now the sth?yibh?va is a state of mind which because it is more deeply felt, dominates all other emotions. It belongs to both the character and to the spectator". But the authors don't give a textual reference for this statement. Can anyone give me a textual reference that supports the part of the definition: ". . . It belongs to both the character and to the spectator". Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 07:54:58 2019 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 19 13:24:58 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Statement_on_sth=C4=81yibh=C4=81va?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Vol I is available at https://poeticgenre.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/drama-sanskrit-aesthetic-rapture.pdf Vol II at https://archive.org/details/AestheticRaptureVol.IIJ.L.MassonM.V.Patwardhan On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:02 PM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Harry, I do not have the books at hand. However, you might have a > look at an article of mine, titled "On the Use of Rasa in Studies of > Sanskrit Drama" IIJ 43/2 (2000), pp. 115-138. In this article I show, among > other things, that in the Natyasastra the distinction between bhavas and > sthayibhavas is less stable than is often assumed. You may find a pdf of > the article on my website. > Herman > > Herman Tieken > Stationsweg 58 > 2515 BP Den Haag > The Netherlands > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > website: hermantieken.com > ------------------------------ > *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier > via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] > *Verzonden:* donderdag 15 augustus 2019 22:01 > *Aan:* Indology > *Onderwerp:* [INDOLOGY] Statement on sth?yibh?va > > Dear list members, > > On page 23 of Aesthetic Rapture by Masson and Patwardhan , their work on > chapter 6 of N??ya??stra by Bharata is given a definition of sth?yibh?va . > "Now the sth?yibh?va is a state of mind which because it is more deeply > felt, dominates all other emotions. It belongs to both the character and > to the spectator". > > But the authors don't give a textual reference for this statement. Can > anyone give me a textual reference that supports the part of the > definition: ". . . It belongs to both the character and to the spectator". > > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 08:02:26 2019 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 19 13:32:26 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Statement_on_sth=C4=81yibh=C4=81va?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now the sth?yibh?va is a state of mind which because it is more deeply felt, dominates all other emotions. It belongs to both the character and to the spectator is not a translation , nor paraphrasing of a part of a Sanskrit text. It is an explanatory sentence. It belongs to both the character and to the spectator is the restatement of the Rasanishpatti explanations in which the question of yannishThah ? is discussed. Rasa exists in both anukaarya = character, saamaajika/ prekshaka = spectator is one of the positions taken in this regard. But in the case of sthaayeebhaava its existence in both anukaarya and saamaajika / prekshaka is not disputed. On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:24 PM Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > Vol I is available at > > > https://poeticgenre.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/drama-sanskrit-aesthetic-rapture.pdf > > > Vol II at > > https://archive.org/details/AestheticRaptureVol.IIJ.L.MassonM.V.Patwardhan > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:02 PM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Harry, I do not have the books at hand. However, you might have a >> look at an article of mine, titled "On the Use of Rasa in Studies of >> Sanskrit Drama" IIJ 43/2 (2000), pp. 115-138. In this article I show, among >> other things, that in the Natyasastra the distinction between bhavas and >> sthayibhavas is less stable than is often assumed. You may find a pdf of >> the article on my website. >> Herman >> >> Herman Tieken >> Stationsweg 58 >> 2515 BP Den Haag >> The Netherlands >> 00 31 (0)70 2208127 >> website: hermantieken.com >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier >> via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] >> *Verzonden:* donderdag 15 augustus 2019 22:01 >> *Aan:* Indology >> *Onderwerp:* [INDOLOGY] Statement on sth?yibh?va >> >> Dear list members, >> >> On page 23 of Aesthetic Rapture by Masson and Patwardhan , their work on >> chapter 6 of N??ya??stra by Bharata is given a definition of sth?yibh?va >> . >> "Now the sth?yibh?va is a state of mind which because it is more deeply >> felt, dominates all other emotions. It belongs to both the character and >> to the spectator". >> >> But the authors don't give a textual reference for this statement. Can >> anyone give me a textual reference that supports the part of the >> definition: ". . . It belongs to both the character and to the >> spectator". >> >> Thanks, >> Harry Spier >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Aug 16 11:30:13 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 19 04:30:13 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????? ????????? ??????????????? ???? ? ????? ????????? ???????? ??? ????? ??????? The touch of Krishna's feet yields greater fruit than the magic stone [that turns iron into gold]. [With your touch], the inauspicious becomes auspicious, like the poison of Kaliya snake. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 13:17:05 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 19 09:17:05 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Statement_on_sth=C4=81yibh=C4=81va?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone have a pdf of this article by Herman Tieken. "On the Use of Rasa in Studies of Sanskrit Drama" IIJ 43/2 (2000), pp. 115-138. Thanks, Harry Spier On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:31 AM Tieken, H.J.H. < H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl> wrote: > Dear Harry, I do not have the books at hand. However, you might have a > look at an article of mine, titled "On the Use of Rasa in Studies of > Sanskrit Drama" IIJ 43/2 (2000), pp. 115-138. In this article I show, among > other things, that in the Natyasastra the distinction between bhavas and > sthayibhavas is less stable than is often assumed. You may find a pdf of > the article on my website. > Herman > > Herman Tieken > Stationsweg 58 > 2515 BP Den Haag > The Netherlands > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > website: hermantieken.com > ------------------------------ > *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier > via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] > *Verzonden:* donderdag 15 augustus 2019 22:01 > *Aan:* Indology > *Onderwerp:* [INDOLOGY] Statement on sth?yibh?va > > Dear list members, > > On page 23 of Aesthetic Rapture by Masson and Patwardhan , their work on > chapter 6 of N??ya??stra by Bharata is given a definition of sth?yibh?va . > "Now the sth?yibh?va is a state of mind which because it is more deeply > felt, dominates all other emotions. It belongs to both the character and > to the spectator". > > But the authors don't give a textual reference for this statement. Can > anyone give me a textual reference that supports the part of the > definition: ". . . It belongs to both the character and to the spectator". > > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 13:23:59 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 19 09:23:59 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf's by A. Aklujkar needed Message-ID: Dear list members, Would anyone have pdf's of the following articles: A. Aklujkar IIJ (1977) 19, pp. 269-284 Aklujkar, Ashok and Edwin Gerow. "On ??nta Rasa in Sanskrit Poetics." JAOS vol. 92, no. 1 (1972), pp. 80-87. Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antonio.jardim at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 13:39:22 2019 From: antonio.jardim at gmail.com (Antonio Ferreira-Jardim) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 19 23:39:22 +1000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Statement_on_sth=C4=81yibh=C4=81va?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Harry, A copy is directly available on Dr Tieken's website: https://hermantieken.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/rasa.pdf Kind regards, Antonio On Fri., 16 Aug. 2019, 23:17 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY, < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Does anyone have a pdf of this article by Herman Tieken. "On the Use of > Rasa in Studies of Sanskrit Drama" IIJ 43/2 (2000), pp. 115-138. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:31 AM Tieken, H.J.H. < > H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl> wrote: > >> Dear Harry, I do not have the books at hand. However, you might have a >> look at an article of mine, titled "On the Use of Rasa in Studies of >> Sanskrit Drama" IIJ 43/2 (2000), pp. 115-138. In this article I show, among >> other things, that in the Natyasastra the distinction between bhavas and >> sthayibhavas is less stable than is often assumed. You may find a pdf of >> the article on my website. >> Herman >> >> Herman Tieken >> Stationsweg 58 >> 2515 BP Den Haag >> The Netherlands >> 00 31 (0)70 2208127 >> website: hermantieken.com >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier >> via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] >> *Verzonden:* donderdag 15 augustus 2019 22:01 >> *Aan:* Indology >> *Onderwerp:* [INDOLOGY] Statement on sth?yibh?va >> >> Dear list members, >> >> On page 23 of Aesthetic Rapture by Masson and Patwardhan , their work on >> chapter 6 of N??ya??stra by Bharata is given a definition of sth?yibh?va >> . >> "Now the sth?yibh?va is a state of mind which because it is more deeply >> felt, dominates all other emotions. It belongs to both the character and >> to the spectator". >> >> But the authors don't give a textual reference for this statement. Can >> anyone give me a textual reference that supports the part of the >> definition: ". . . It belongs to both the character and to the >> spectator". >> >> Thanks, >> Harry Spier >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antonio.jardim at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 13:42:57 2019 From: antonio.jardim at gmail.com (Antonio Ferreira-Jardim) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 19 23:42:57 +1000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf's by A. Aklujkar needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Harry, Copies are directly available on Prof Aklujkar's Academia.edu page: https://ubc.academia.edu/ashokAklujkar One nice way you can find out if a given article is freely available on an author's webpage, Academia.edu page or Institutional page is to simply Google the title of the article and scroll through the results. :) Kind regards, Antonio On Fri., 16 Aug. 2019, 23:24 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY, < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > > Would anyone have pdf's of the following articles: > > A. Aklujkar IIJ (1977) 19, pp. 269-284 > > Aklujkar, Ashok and Edwin Gerow. "On ??nta Rasa in Sanskrit Poetics." JAOS > vol. 92, no. 1 (1972), pp. 80-87. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 14:11:16 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 19 10:11:16 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf's by A. Aklujkar needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you to Marco Franceschini, James Pierce and Antonio Ferreira-Jardim for supplying the article (and Herman Tieken's article). And yes Antonio is correct Google should be the first place to search for an article. Harry Spier On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:43 AM Antonio Ferreira-Jardim < antonio.jardim at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Harry, > > Copies are directly available on Prof Aklujkar's Academia.edu page: > https://ubc.academia.edu/ashokAklujkar > > One nice way you can find out if a given article is freely available on an > author's webpage, Academia.edu page or Institutional page is to simply > Google the title of the article and scroll through the results. :) > > Kind regards, > Antonio > > On Fri., 16 Aug. 2019, 23:24 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY, < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear list members, >> >> Would anyone have pdf's of the following articles: >> >> A. Aklujkar IIJ (1977) 19, pp. 269-284 >> >> Aklujkar, Ashok and Edwin Gerow. "On ??nta Rasa in Sanskrit >> Poetics." JAOS vol. 92, no. 1 (1972), pp. 80-87. >> >> Thanks, >> Harry Spier >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Sat Aug 17 12:18:18 2019 From: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de (Raik Strunz) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 19 14:18:18 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Re: EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5D580CAA020000C30009C826@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> Dear colleagues, in this regard I only want to bring in some aspects of building up and enhancing an individual keyboard layout. Working on Mac I have set up a layout years ago during my Bachelor studies with Ukelele. During my Master studies, this got enlarged and modified while working with Indo-european languages out of the necessity to display more and more diacritics correctly as well as Unicode-safe. Now, this grown keyboard layout is mainly based on the Combining Diacritical Marks block (U+0300..U+036F) together with the simple letters, keeping it easy and intuitive ? for me and according to my writing habits ? to create diacritics of almost any kind, also working perfectly in TextEdit, Pages, and most of the time in XeLaTeX. That is the big advantage of building a personal layout. One will also get used to the process of adding glyphs, although at the very beginning it can and highly possibly will be quite time consuming. The only disadvantage to this system in my view can be, that there are different ways to have e.g. an Unicode-safe n? ? one as a single-built ? U+1E47 (Latin Extended Additional), another as the combined solution n U+006E (Basic Latin) + ?U+0323 (Combining Diacritical Marks), a third based on a command \d{n} in pdfTeX. Afaik, these three won?t be interpreted as the in fact same sign whilst at first glance looking the same, but this is also a minor issue regarding word search in a document either .pdf or raw. Nevertheless, in my view the combining solution helps creating a broader variety of diacritics. Best, Raik Strunz ??????????? Raik Strunz, M.A. Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften Seminar f?r Indologie Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 D-06108 Halle (Saale) www.indologie.uni-halle.de ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ? >>> James Hartzell via INDOLOGY 15.08.19 13.08 Uhr >>> Thanks Richard, Harry, Malcolm, Robert for your suggestions?I will experiment and if I can solve it I will report back Cheers James > On 15 Aug 2019, at 11:34, Robert Zydenbos via INDOLOGY wrote: > > There is also John Smith's keyboard layout for Windows at http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/induni/index.html (however, I have no experience with it myself, being a Mac and Linux user). > > RZ > > > -- > Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos > Institute of Indology and Tibetology > Department of Asian Studies > Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU) > Germany > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmellins at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 12:45:30 2019 From: dmellins at gmail.com (David Mellins) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 19 08:45:30 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Antw: Re: EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? In-Reply-To: <5D580CAA020000C30009C826@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <24DBB9C4-C74B-41A4-9BBF-52B9E4A0B481@gmail.com> It?s very clear to me that we need to arrive at a Sanskrit based operating system where the most basic coding instructions are communicated in Paninian Sanskrit! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2019, at 8:18 AM, Raik Strunz via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > in this regard I only want to bring in some aspects of building up and enhancing an individual keyboard layout. > > Working on Mac I have set up a layout years ago during my Bachelor studies with Ukelele. During my Master studies, this got enlarged and modified while working with Indo-european languages out of the necessity to display more and more diacritics correctly as well as Unicode-safe. Now, this grown keyboard layout is mainly based on the Combining Diacritical Marks block (U+0300..U+036F) together with the simple letters, keeping it easy and intuitive ? for me and according to my writing habits ? to create diacritics of almost any kind, also working perfectly in TextEdit, Pages, and most of the time in XeLaTeX. That is the big advantage of building a personal layout. One will also get used to the process of adding glyphs, although at the very beginning it can and highly possibly will be quite time consuming. > > The only disadvantage to this system in my view can be, that there are different ways to have e.g. an Unicode-safe n? ? one as a single-built ? U+1E47 (Latin Extended Additional), another as the combined solution n U+006E (Basic Latin) + ?U+0323 (Combining Diacritical Marks), a third based on a command \d{n} in pdfTeX. Afaik, these three won?t be interpreted as the in fact same sign whilst at first glance looking the same, but this is also a minor issue regarding word search in a document either .pdf or raw. Nevertheless, in my view the combining solution helps creating a broader variety of diacritics. > > Best, > > > Raik Strunz > > > > > > > > ??????????? > > > > > > Raik Strunz, M.A. > > > > Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter > > Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de > > Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23655 > > > > Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg > > Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften > > Seminar f?r Indologie > > Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 > > D-06108 Halle (Saale) > > > > www.indologie.uni-halle.de > > > > ??????????? > > > > ??????????? ??????? ? > > > >>> James Hartzell via INDOLOGY 15.08.19 13.08 Uhr >>> > Thanks Richard, Harry, Malcolm, Robert for your suggestions?I will experiment and if I can solve it I will report back > > Cheers > James > > > On 15 Aug 2019, at 11:34, Robert Zydenbos via INDOLOGY wrote: > > > > There is also John Smith's keyboard layout for Windows at http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/induni/index.html (however, I have no experience with it myself, being a Mac and Linux user). > > > > RZ > > > > > > -- > > Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos > > Institute of Indology and Tibetology > > Department of Asian Studies > > Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU) > > Germany > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <24DBB9C4-C74B-41A4-9BBF-52B9E4A0B481@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67af9a8f-8d0f-ebe5-cb5b-b98868eefd2c@gmail.com> For windows and roman letters: As far as I my expierence goes: Using only (not combined) UNICODE-letters there are no problems for indexing all your files. The UNICODE-fonts include all diacritical signs? within 1 letter (e.g. ?) for studies on classical indological texts (vedic accents - I do not know). Whenever I built up letters with diacritical marks (combining two UNICODE signs e.g. s + ?) the indexing process did not work properly. Indexing all your files is important for any search beyond searching in one file only. Best Heiner Am 17.08.2019 um 14:45 schrieb David Mellins via INDOLOGY: > It?s very clear to me that we need to arrive at a Sanskrit based > operating system where the most basic coding instructions are > communicated in Paninian Sanskrit! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2019, at 8:18 AM, Raik Strunz via INDOLOGY > > wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> in this regard I only want to bring in some aspects of building up >> and enhancing an individual keyboard layout. >> >> Working on Mac I have set up a layout years ago during my Bachelor >> studies with Ukelele. During my Master studies, this got enlarged and >> modified while working with Indo-european languages out of the >> necessity to display more and more diacritics correctly as well as >> Unicode-safe. Now, this grown keyboard layout is mainly based on >> the?Combining Diacritical Marks block (U+0300..U+036F) together with >> the simple letters, keeping it easy and intuitive ? for me and >> according to my writing habits ? to create diacritics of almost any >> kind, also working perfectly in TextEdit, Pages, and most of the time >> in XeLaTeX. That is the big advantage of building a personal layout. >> One will also get used to the process of adding glyphs, although at >> the very beginning it can and highly possibly will be quite time >> consuming. >> >> The only disadvantage to this system in my view can be, that there >> are different ways to have e.g. an Unicode-safe /n? /? one as a >> single-built /?/ U+1E47 (Latin Extended Additional), another as the >> combined solution /n/ U+006E (Basic Latin) +? ?U+0323 (Combining >> Diacritical Marks), a third based on a command \d{n} in pdfTeX. >> Afaik, these three won?t be interpreted as the in fact same sign >> whilst at first glance looking the same, but this is also a minor >> issue regarding word search in a document either .pdf or raw. >> Nevertheless, in my view the combining solution helps creating a >> broader variety of diacritics. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Raik Strunz >> >> >> >> >> >> ??????????? >> >> >> >> Raik Strunz, M.A. >> >> >> Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter >> >> Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de >> >> >> Tel.:?+49 345 / 55 23655 >> >> >> Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg >> >> Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften >> >> Seminar f?r Indologie >> >> Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 >> >> D-06108 Halle (Saale) >> >> >> www.indologie.uni-halle.de >> >> >> ??????????? >> >> >> ??????????? ??????? ? >> >> >> >>> James?Hartzell?via?INDOLOGY?> > 15.08.19 13.08 Uhr >>> >> Thanks Richard, Harry, Malcolm, Robert for your suggestions?I will >> experiment and if I can solve it I will report back >> >> Cheers >> James >> >> > On 15 Aug 2019, at 11:34, Robert Zydenbos via INDOLOGY >> > wrote: >> > >> > There is also John Smith's keyboard layout for Windows at >> http://bombay.indology.info/software/fonts/induni/index.html >> (however, I have no experience with it myself, being a Mac and Linux >> user). >> > >> > RZ >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos >> > Institute of Indology and Tibetology >> > Department of Asian Studies >> > Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Jan Kucera via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote:. . . . > For people who are using their custom shortcuts, would they mind sharing > which shortcuts they use for which characters? > > > For microsoft Word the shortcuts I've set up are: Ctrl+letter for diacritical over the letter Alt+letter for diacritical under the letter Ctrl+Alt+letter for diacriticals over and under the letter Ctrl+~ for ? For me this is the most intuitive and gives: ctrl+a = ? ctrl+i = ? ctrl+u = ? ctrl+r = ? alt+ctrl+r = ? ctrl+l = ? alt+ctrl+l = ? ctrl+n = ? ctrl+~ = ? alt+n = ? ctrl+m = ? alt+m = ? ctrl+s = ? alt+s = ? Harry Spier > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Sat Aug 17 20:40:26 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 19 16:40:26 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] EasyUnicode for a Windows computer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction to my keyboard layout. It should have read: ctrl+a = ? ctrl+i = ? ctrl+u = ? alt+r = ? alt+ctrl+r = ? alt+l = ? alt+ctrl+l = ? ctrl+n = ? ctrl+~ = ? alt+n = ? ctrl+m = ? alt+m = ? ctrl+s = ? alt+s = ? Harry Spier On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 4:28 PM Harry Spier wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Jan Kucera via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote:. > . . . > >> For people who are using their custom shortcuts, would they mind sharing >> which shortcuts they use for which characters? >> >> >> > For microsoft Word the shortcuts I've set up are: > Ctrl+letter for diacritical over the letter > Alt+letter for diacritical under the letter > Ctrl+Alt+letter for diacriticals over and under the letter > Ctrl+~ for ? > For me this is the most intuitive and gives: > > ctrl+a = ? > ctrl+i = ? > ctrl+u = ? > ctrl+r = ? > alt+ctrl+r = ? > ctrl+l = ? > alt+ctrl+l = ? > ctrl+n = ? > ctrl+~ = ? > alt+n = ? > ctrl+m = ? > alt+m = ? > ctrl+s = ? > alt+s = ? > > Harry Spier > >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 14:18:30 2019 From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 19 19:48:30 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?B?W0lORE9MT0dZXSDgpLbgpKzgpY3gpKbgpLDgpKTgpY3gpKjgpLjgpK7gpKjgpY3gpLXgpK8gb2Yg4KS44KS+4KS54KSc4KWA?= Message-ID: Dear scholars, It is my honour to present before you all the digitized version of the following work - ?abdaratnasamanvaya of King S?jaj? of Tanjore. https://github.com/sanskrit-kosha/kosha/blob/master/shabdaratnasamanvaya_sahaji/orig/shabdaratnasamanvaya.txt Credits - The work has been painstakingly corrected from google OCR data by Mr. Pradeep Kumar Rastogi. With regards, -- Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S Collector and District Magistrate, Surat www.sanskritworld.in From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 17:27:41 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 19 22:57:41 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Adisila fonts download for free. Message-ID: Dear all The fonts are ready in 2 versions. Inspired by Nirnaya sagar typefoundry. With and without gap in ???????? We are also creating one more version of variant ligatures like ?. ? ??? etc. Which will be sent soon. Along with one more design. Thanks to all the contributors. The list of contributor's name will be updated soon on the website. Download here Download link https://we.tl/t-SYmxyPlnTi 1 item Adisila_Fonts.zip 2.59 MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BrodbeckSP at cardiff.ac.uk Sun Aug 18 20:23:17 2019 From: BrodbeckSP at cardiff.ac.uk (Simon Brodbeck) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 19 20:23:17 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Can anyone comment on the etymological link (if any) between the word "doom" and the word "dharma"? Thanks in advance ... Simon Brodbeck Cardiff University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LubinT at wlu.edu Sun Aug 18 21:11:38 2019 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 19 21:11:38 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma Message-ID: Simon, there is none. A convenient place to check such things is Cal Watkins?s listing of PIE etymons in the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 3d ed., New York: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2000. Pp. 8248-8652., which has this entry: dh? Important derivatives are: do1, deed, doom, -dom, deem, fact, factor, fashion, feat1, feature, affair, affect1, affection, amplify, benefit, defeat, defect, effect, efficient, infect, justify, modify, notify, perfect, profit, qualify, sacrifice, face, surface, difficulty, thesis, theme. To set, put. Contracted from *dhe?-. 14. O-grade form *dh?-. DO1; FORDO, from Old English d?n, to do, from Germanic *d?n. 15. Suffixed form *dh?-ti-, ?thing laid down or done, law, deed.? DEED, from Old English d??d, doing, deed, from Germanic *d?diz. 16. Suffixed o-grade form *dh?-mo-. a. DOOM, from Old English d?m, judgment ( b. -DOM, from Old English -dom, abstract suffix indicating state, condition, or power; c. (see k?-) Old Norse -d?mr, condition; d. DUMA, from Russian Duma, Duma, from a Germanic source akin to Gothic d?ms, judgment; e. DEEM, from Old English d?man, to judge, from Germanic denominative d?mjan. a, b, c, d, and e all from Germanic d?maz. ? Best, Tim Timothy Lubin Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Chair of the Department of Religion 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 From: INDOLOGY on behalf of INDOLOGY Reply-To: Simon Brodbeck Date: Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:24 PM To: INDOLOGY Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma Dear colleagues, Can anyone comment on the etymological link (if any) between the word "doom" and the word "dharma"? Thanks in advance ... Simon Brodbeck Cardiff University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prajnapti at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 21:16:44 2019 From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 19 17:16:44 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9BF7FBA0-9141-4A0E-BE3F-34FD7D6AFABF@gmail.com> Dear Simon, And on the Indo-european dh?, check https://academiaprisca.org/indoeuropean.html Root / lemma: dh?-2 English meaning: to put, place German meaning: `setzen, stellen, legen' Material: Old Indian d?dh?ti, av. da??iti `he places', Old pers. Impf. Sg. adad? `he has installed', Old Indian Aor.?-dh?-m `I placed', Med. 3. Sg. ?-dhita (= gr. ?????) ; to-participle Old Indian hit??? (-dhit??? in ved. compounds) `set, settled' (= lat. con-ditus, ab-ditus, cr?ditus, probably also gr. ????? `sedate, calm, settled, placed, set; having position; taken as one's child, adopted'), with full grade av. Old pers. d?ta- (= lit. d??tas `sedate, calm, settled', Old Prussian sen-ditans Akk. Pl. f. `folded', also gr. ????? ????? Hes., eig. `set raised platform, placed stand'); Inf. Old Indian dh??-tum (= lit. d??t? Supin., Old Church Slavic d?t? `to place' : lat. [late] conditus, -?s m. `pickled, preserved; of corpses, embalmed; in gen., seasoned, savory', Supin. -um, -?, compare also Old Indian dh??tu-?), m. `component, set', av. v???tu- n. `grounds, rationale, steady acquiescence'); i?o-present Old Indian dh?yat? `places for oneself' (= lett. d?ju, d?t `place, lay eggs', d?ju d?t `solder together', Old Church Slavic d?j? `lay, place', a?ech. d?ju `make'); Perf. Old Indian dadh??u, dadhim?, av. 3. Sg. da?a (: gr. ???????, lat. -did?, osk. pr?-ffed, ahd. teta etc). Arm. ed Aor. `he placed' (= Old Indian ?-dh?t; 1. Sg. edi, 2. Sg. edir), present dnem `I place'(*dinem, idg. *dh??no-, compare russ. d??nu `sit, put, lay, place', skr. dj?n?m `do, put, lay'); Maybe nasalized alb. geg. me ndenj`to sit, while, stay', ndej `hang lose, place' phryg. ????? `has placed' (*e-dh?-es-t? rather = hitt. da-a-i?); gr. ?????? `put' (Aor. ????? - see under -, ??????, ?????, Fut. ????, participle ?????); messap. hi-pa-of `has placed' (*?hi-po-dh?s-t, J. B. Hofmann KZ. 63, 267); lat. abdere `put away, remove, set aside, stow away', con-dere `to put together, make by joining, found, establish, build, settle' (in addition C?nsus [*kom-d-to-] an ancient deity, god of secret plans), perdere `to make away with, destroy, ruin, squander, dissipate, throw away, waste, lose', cr?dere `believe, trust' (see below *kered- `heart'); about the interference of dare with respective forms s. WH. I 362; Perf. condid? etc, osk. pr?-ffed `has placed' (*-fefed). Note: Common italic.-lat. d- > f- shift. With einer k-extension lat. faci?, -ere, fec? (: ?????), factum `to make, form, do, perform; of feelings and circumstances, to cause, bring about', osk. fakiiad, umbr. fac?ia `he/she makes, constructs, fashions, frames, builds, produces, composes', fakurent Fut. II [subjunctive] `they will have made, constructed, fashioned, framed, erected, produced, composed', praen. (passionate inscription) FheFhaked `he/she has made, constructed, fashioned, framed, erected, produced, composed', osk. fefacit Konj. Perf. `let he/she have made, constructed, fashioned, framed, erected, produced, composed', fefacust Fut. II `he/she will have made, constructed, fashioned, framed, erected, produced, composed'; with *f?k- umbr. feitu, fetu [Imperative]`he/she will have made, constructed, fashioned, framed, erected, produced, composed': facilis `(feasible) easy to do; easy to manage, convenient, favorable', umbr. fac?efele ds.; faci?s `shape, form, figure, outward appearance; esp. face, countenance. Transf., character, nature; seeming, pretence', facinus, ponti-fex, arti-fex bene?ficus under likewise; to meaning of interfici? `to put out of the way, destroy, bring to naught, slay, kill' (`*allow to disappear') compare Old Indian antar?hita?? `vanished'. The same k-extension besides in gr. ????? also in ???? `receptacle', Old Indian dh?-k?-? `container' and phryg. ??-????? `afflicts, causes death', Med. ??-???????; ven. vha?s?o `he/she makes, constructs, fashions, frames, builds, erects, produces, composes' (*fak?s?to, the f probably from Ital.); hitt. dak-ki-e?-zi (dakkeszi) `makes, places down' (: lat. facess?), dak-?u-ul (daksul) `friendly' (: alat. facul); perhaps toch. A t?k? `I was, became', B tak?w? ds. (different Pedersen Toch. 194); gall. dede `he/she has placed'; compare lat. con-, ab-, cr?-did?, ahd. teta `I made, did'; air. -tarti `gives, yields' (*to-ro-ad-d?t from *dh??t), Perf. do-rat (*to-ro-ad-dat from *dh?-t), Thurneysen Gr. 35; ahd. t?m, tuom, as. t?n, ags. d?m `do', Inf. ahd. tuon, as. ags. d?n (*dh??m) `do', preterit ahd. teta `I made, did' (2. Sg. t?ti, Pl. t?tu?m; reshaped after the type of got. s?tum), as. deda (2. Sg. ded?s, 3. Pl. d?dun, dedun), ags. dyde < dudi (see above to Old Indian dadh??u); particle Perf. Pass. ahd. gi?t?n, ags. d?n `done' from *dh?-no- = Old Church Slavic o-d?n? `wrapped, dressed'; in the ending of reduced Pr?ter. (got. salb?-d?dun etc) one tries to seek mostly the root dh?-, whereas in got. kun?a `granted', must contain the idg. -t-, to accept an other formation. compare Hirt, Idg. Gr. IV, 99, Sverdrup NTS. 2, 55 ff., Marstrander, NTS. 4, 424 f., Specht KZ. 62, 69 ff., Kretschmer Sbb. Wien, 225. Bd., 2. Abh., 6 f. lit. d??ti `lay, place, put', present 2. Pl. old deste (*dhe-dh-te), Sg. dem?, desie-s, dest(i) (compare B?ga Kalba ir s. 158, 213), neologism ded?; lett. d?t (see above); Old Church Slavic d?ti `lay, place' (also `say'), present de?d? (*dedi??) and d?j? (see above); d?j?, d?jati `lay, place, do'; -va-iterative Old Church Slavic o-d?vati `(to put), dress', russ. d?v?t? `set down, do, place'; in addition probably lit. d?vi?, d?v??ti `wear a dress'; a formant u? also in gr. *??F???? and (assim.) *??F????, compare ????? `sit, put', ion. ????? (hom. ?????? written for ??[F]????) `seat', ??????? ????? ? ?????? Hes., att. also ????? ds., hom. ?????? `sit', att. poet. ?????? ds. (see to gr. group Bechtel Lexil. 161 f., Boisacq 335); compare also thrak. -dava `settling, settlement' from *dh?u?? or *dh?u??; probably reshuffling after the concurrent *d?-: *dou- `bestow, give'; Note: The suffix -dava `settling, settlement' frequently scattered over the thrak. territory and city names is absent in illyr. toponyms, hence illyr.-alb. and trak. were two different people. hitt. da?a?i (d?i) `setzt, legt', 1. Sg. te-e?-?i (tehhi), 3. Pl. ti?an?zi (Pedersen Hitt. 91, 112 f., 166), preterit 3. Sg. da-a-i?; perhaps also dak-ki-e?-zi (see above); toch. A t?-, t?s-, tas-, B tes- `lay, place' (*dh??s- Pedersen Toch. 186 f.); lyk. ta- `lay, place' (Pedersen. Lyk. and Hitt. 30 f.). Root nouns (in compositions): e.g. Old Indian vay?-dh??-? `imparting vitality', sa?-dh?? f. `pact, agreement, promise' (: lit. arkl??d? `stable'), sa?-dh-?-m `association' (: lit. sam-das), ratna-dh-?-? `imparting treasure', ni?dh???? m. `container, treasure, tribute', sam-dh-?-? m. `association, covenant, fusion', av. gao-?i- `milk container'; lit. samdas `rent, rental', i?das `vessel', nuoda? `poison', (old) n?od?ia `debt, blame, offense', p?dis `the hen lays an egg'; Old Prussian umnode `bakehouse', lit. pel?d?, lett. pelude `chaff container', Old Church Slavic ob?-do n. `????????', s?-d? `??????, ?????'; compare Berneker 193 ff., Trautmann 47 f.; if so also aisl. oddr, ags. ord, ahd. ort `cusp, peak' as *ud-dho-s `pointed up'? nominal formation: Old Indian dh??tar- m. `instigator, founder', dh?t?r- `creator, god' (compare also Old Church Slavic d?tel? `perpetrator'), gr. ?????, lat. con-ditor `a founder; hence, in gen., contriver, composer, author'; compare *dh?-tlo- in air. d?l, acymr. datl, ncymr. dadl, abret. dadl `congregation, meeting', nbret. dael `contest, quarrel' (compare to meaning phryg. ??????); *dh?-ti- in Old Indian -dhiti-? f. `stead', d?v?-hiti-? `God's statute', gr. ????? f. `statute, order', lat. con-diti-? f. `an agreement, stipulation, condition, compact, proposition, terms, demand'; *dh?-ti-s in av. ni-??iti- f. `laying down, putting away, hiding', got. gad?ds `deed, position, place', aisl. d?? `skillfulness, deed, act', ags. d?d, ahd. t?t `deed, act', lit. d??tis `load, burden', Pl. d??tys `lay of the chicken, the goose', Old Church Slavic blago-d?t? `Grace, blessing, gratitude'; *dh?-t- in thrak. PN ?????, alb. dhat? (*dh?-t?) `site'; *dh?-t- in av. dami-d?-t `the created creature', lat. sacer-d?s `a priest, priestess' (*sacro-dh?t-s). Old Indian dh?na-m `container', el. ???????? (?) `pact, covenant', ahd. participle git?n, ags. d?n `done', Old Church Slavic o-d?n? `(completed), vested'; Old Indian dh?na?m `sacrifice, offering, price in competition etc', nidh?nam `layover, stay, inhabitation etc', g?dhana-m `cattle possession', av. gao-?ana- n. `milk container'. Old Indian dh??man- n. `statute, law, dwelling, troop, multitude, crowd etc', av. d?man-, d?man- n. `site, creature', gr. ???-???? `anything devoted to evil, an accursed thing', ???-???? `something put on, a lid, cover; statue on a grave', ????? m. `heap'; ??????? `probably keeping tidy, keeping in order'; thrak. plant name ???-???? ???????????? (Dioskor.) from *k?a-dh?mn? `water settlement', PN Uscu-dama; secondary (after ?????) gr. ???? n. `that which is placed or laid down: money deposited, deposit; also, of grain; treasure, pile, of loaves, coffer, position, situation, nativity, common burial-place, common land, private burial-ground, something proposed as a prize, case proposed for discussion, theme of an argument, proposition, premise, arbitrary determination, primary (non-derivative) element or form, of the present tense, mode of reduction of an irregular syllogism', compare also Inf. ???????; av. d?mi- f. `creation', Adj. (also fem.) `constituting, originating, creator, god'; gr. ????? `that which is laid down or established by custom', Gen. originally ???????? `*allowed by the laws of God and men, righteous' as Goddess's name, then `right, law, custom', ??????? Pl. `the foundation of a building; the innermost, core', ???????? ????? `the foundation-stones', hom. ???????? (?? metr. lengthening) `the foundations, lowest part, bottom, ground'; Alb. themel `the foundation of a building; the innermost, core' : hom. ???????? (?? metr. lengthening) `foundation, ground' [probably a loanword]; them?n `heel, bottom of the foot'. zero grade: ???? `*massed; frequent, often', ??????? `frequent, often, massed', hom. ??????, femin. ??????? Pl. `the piled up, tightly packed, crowded, close-set, thick' (from *?????), ?????? `thicket, shrubbery, bush, shrub'; in a *dh?-mo- `settlement, branch, dwelling' (compare ?????? ?????, ??????, ?????? Hes. [*dh?mi?o-], also Old Indian dh?man- `dwelling') or `heap, troop, multitude, crowd (the servant)' correlates one perhaps rightly also with lat. famulus `a servant, a male slave, attendant', familia `a household (of slaves), establishment', osk. famel `a servant, a male slave, attendant', famelo `a household (of slaves), establishment', umbr. fame?ias `a household (of slaves), establishment'; Note: Common lat. d- > f- shift ?-grade gr. ????? `heap, barn, haystack'; phryg. ?????? `an assembly, meeting, congress, a living together', lat. ab-d?men `lower abdomen' as `intimate, hidden, secret part', compare ahd. intuoma `the chief internal organs of the body, significant organs' (would be lat. *ind?men), mnd. inged?me, bayr. ingetum ds., got. d?ms m. `judgement, fame' (d?mjan `adjudicate'; from dem Germ. russ. d?ma `thought, notion, care; council meeting' etc, s. Berneker 237), ags. d?m `opinion, sense, mind, judgement, court', ahd. tuom `judgement, feat, deed, act, custom, state, status', lit. dom??, domes?s `attention, directing of the thought and will on something', also lit. d?m?? `spot upon which attention is directed' etc, d?m??tis = dom??tis `wonder, care, concern, follow, go, take interest'. Aisl. d?ll `easy to do, easy, without difficulty' (*dh?-li-s); compare urnord. dalidun `they did' (preterit of germ. *d?lian), lit. pa-d?l?s `nest-egg (the hen lays an egg)', pried?l??, pr?ed?lis `inclosure', abg. d?lo n. `work', wherefore (see Berneker 195 f., Trautmann 48) Old Church Slavic d?lja, d?lj?ma m. Gen. `because of', lit. d??l, del?, d??liai, lett. d?l `with Gen. `because of, for the sake of'. Maybe from Slavic ne `not' + Old Church Slavic: d?lo `work, matter' = Bulgarian ?????? (nedel'a), Serbian nedelja, Czech ned?le, Polish niedziela `Sunday, holiday = no work' : Lithuanian: d?lioti `put down, away' : Albanian djel? `Sunday, holiday'. An occasional formation compare still gr. ?????? (Pind.), ?????? (lak. etc), ?????? (att.) `statute' after Thurneysen (KZ. 51, 57) to air. dedm, cymr. deddf (*dhe?dh?m?) ds. (different Schwyzer Gr. Gr. I 49212); ???, att. ???: `punishment'. Very doubtful a s-extension would be attributed to aisl. des (*dasj?) `hay stick, hay rick' (Lw. from dem Air.?), air. dais (*dasti-) `heap, hay rick', wherewith E. Lewy (KZ. 52, 310) compares rather osset. dasun `pile up, lump'. References: WP. I 826 ff., WH. I 266, 362 f., 439 ff., 863, Trautmann 47 ff., Schwyzer Gr. Gr. I 492, 686, 722, 725, 741, Pedersen Hitt. 141 ff., 192. Page(s): 235-239 Root / lemma: dh?-3, dh?- English meaning: to disappear German meaning: `hinschwinden'? Material: Lat. fam?s f. `hunger', ad fatim, affatim `ad lassitudinem, zur Gen?ge', fat?g? `hetze ab, erm?de', fat?sc?, -or `gehe auseinander; ermatte'; Note: common lat. d- > f- shift air. ded- (present ru?deda, Fut. Plur. dedait, preterit con-ro-deda) `vanish, pass away, die away, disappear, dwindle, waste away, melt, decay'; ags. demm `damage' (*dh?-mi-s); with -s anord. d?si `idle' (germ. *d??s-), mhd. d?sic `still, uncommunicative, stupid', changing through ablaut norw. dial. dase `flabby person', d?n. dase `be decayed'; anord. d?sa(sk) `swelter, decay', dasask `go bad, get worse'; mengl. dasen `stun' (engl. daze), dasewen `be dark'. In all parts some dubious connections. About air. de?d(a). compare Pedersen KG. II 504 f.(from Perf. *dhe-dou?e from to got. diwans `perishable'? s. dheu- `disappear', where also about air. d?th, arm. di). The germ. family finally reminds partly under *dheu?es- `whisk' discussed from ndd. d?sig and have been directed partly after this not only in the s-extension, but also in the meaning itself; at least, is to be reckoned on an old relationship from anord. d?esask etc. and ir. -deda . References: WP. I 829, WH. I 451. Page(s): 239 best, Dan > On Aug 18, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Simon, there is none. A convenient place to check such things is Cal Watkins?s listing of PIE etymons in the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 3d ed., New York: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2000. Pp. 8248-8652., which has this entry: > > dh? > Important derivatives are: do1, deed, doom, -dom, deem, fact, factor, fashion, feat1, > feature, affair, affect1, affection, amplify, benefit, defeat, defect, effect, efficient, > infect, justify, modify, notify, perfect, profit, qualify, sacrifice, face, surface, > difficulty, thesis, theme. > To set, put. > Contracted from *dhe?-. > 14. O-grade form *dh?-. DO1; FORDO, from Old English d?n, to do, > from Germanic *d?n. > 15. Suffixed form *dh?-ti-, ?thing laid down or done, law, deed.? > DEED, from Old English d??d, doing, deed, from Germanic > *d?diz. > 16. Suffixed o-grade form *dh?-mo-. > a. DOOM, from Old English d?m, judgment ( > b. -DOM, from Old English -dom, abstract suffix indicating > state, condition, or power; > c. (see k?-) Old Norse -d?mr, condition; > d. DUMA, from Russian Duma, Duma, from a Germanic > source akin to Gothic d?ms, judgment; > e. DEEM, from Old English d?man, to judge, from > Germanic denominative d?mjan. a, b, c, d, and e all > from Germanic d?maz. > ? > > Best, > Tim > > > Timothy Lubin > Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law > Chair of the Department of Religion > 204 Tucker Hall > Washington and Lee University > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > > https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ > http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 > > > > > > From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of INDOLOGY > > Reply-To: Simon Brodbeck > > Date: Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:24 PM > To: INDOLOGY > > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma > > Dear colleagues, > > Can anyone comment on the etymological link (if any) between the word "doom" and the word "dharma"? > > Thanks in advance ... > > Simon Brodbeck > Cardiff University > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 01:44:49 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 19 19:44:49 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Adisila fonts download for free. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you very much indeed! -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk , Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity , Department of History and Classics , University of Alberta, Canada . South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 11:28, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all > The fonts are ready in 2 versions. Inspired by Nirnaya sagar typefoundry. > > With and without gap in ???????? > > We are also creating one more version of variant ligatures like ?. ? ??? > etc. Which will be sent soon. Along with one more design. > > Thanks to all the contributors. The list of contributor's name will be > updated soon on the website. > > Download here > > Download link > https://we.tl/t-SYmxyPlnTi > 1 item > Adisila_Fonts.zip > 2.59 MB > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 01:49:50 2019 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 19 07:19:50 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is dhaman = law here?https://www.etymonline.com/word/doom doom (n.) Middle English doome, from Old English dom "a law, statute, decree; administration of justice, judgment; justice, equity, righteousness," from Proto-Germanic *domaz (source also of Old Saxon and Old Frisian dom, Old Norse domr, Old High German tuom "judgment, decree," Gothic doms"discernment, distinction"), perhaps from PIE root *dhe- "to set, place, put, do" (*source also of Sanskrit dhaman- "law," *Greek themis "law," Lithuanian dom? "attention"). Originally in a neutral sense but sometimes also "a decision determining fate or fortune, irrevocable destiny." A book of laws in Old English was a dombec. Modern adverse sense of "fate, ruin, destruction" begins early 14c. and is general after c. 1600, from doomsday and the finality of the Christian Judgment. Crack of doom is the last trump, the signal for the dissolution of all things. doom (v.) late 14c., domen, "to judge, pass judgment on," from doom (n.). The Old English word was deman, which became deem . Meaning "condemn (to punishment), pronounce adverse judgment upon" is from c. 1600. Related: Doomed; dooming. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:54 AM Simon Brodbeck via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Can anyone comment on the etymological link (if any) between the word > "doom" and the word "dharma"? > > Thanks in advance ... > > Simon Brodbeck > Cardiff University > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LubinT at wlu.edu Mon Aug 19 02:01:26 2019 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 19 02:01:26 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0B92AAA4-2C20-4524-9EB9-1346A5CBEC86@wlu.edu> Yes, dh?man is cognate with doom. But the question was about dharma, which is quite unrelated, despite the partial convergence in meanings. TL From: INDOLOGY on behalf of INDOLOGY Reply-To: Nagaraj Paturi Date: Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 9:51 PM To: Simon Brodbeck Cc: INDOLOGY Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma What is dhaman = law here? https://www.etymonline.com/word/doom doom (n.) Middle English doome, from Old English dom "a law, statute, decree; administration of justice, judgment; justice, equity, righteousness," from Proto-Germanic *domaz (source also of Old Saxon and Old Frisian dom, Old Norse domr, Old High German tuom "judgment, decree," Gothic doms"discernment, distinction"), perhaps from PIE root *dhe- "to set, place, put, do" (source also of Sanskrit dhaman- "law," Greek themis "law," Lithuanian dom? "attention"). Originally in a neutral sense but sometimes also "a decision determining fate or fortune, irrevocable destiny." A book of laws in Old English was a dombec. Modern adverse sense of "fate, ruin, destruction" begins early 14c. and is general after c. 1600, from doomsday and the finality of the Christian Judgment. Crack of doom is the last trump, the signal for the dissolution of all things. doom (v.) late 14c., domen, "to judge, pass judgment on," from doom (n.). The Old English word was deman, which became deem. Meaning "condemn (to punishment), pronounce adverse judgment upon" is from c. 1600. Related: Doomed; dooming. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:54 AM Simon Brodbeck via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear colleagues, Can anyone comment on the etymological link (if any) between the word "doom" and the word "dharma"? Thanks in advance ... Simon Brodbeck Cardiff University _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 02:04:19 2019 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 19 07:34:19 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma In-Reply-To: <0B92AAA4-2C20-4524-9EB9-1346A5CBEC86@wlu.edu> Message-ID: Oh! it is *dh?man ! *I could not get it, as there were no diacritics. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 7:31 AM Lubin, Tim wrote: > Yes, *dh?man* is cognate with *doom*. But the question was about *dharma*, > which is quite unrelated, despite the partial convergence in meanings. > > TL > > > > *From: *INDOLOGY on behalf of > INDOLOGY > *Reply-To: *Nagaraj Paturi > *Date: *Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 9:51 PM > *To: *Simon Brodbeck > *Cc: *INDOLOGY > *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma > > > What is dhaman = law here? https://www.etymonline.com/word/doom doom > (n.) > > Middle English doome, from Old English dom "a law, statute, decree; > administration of justice, judgment; justice, equity, righteousness," from > Proto-Germanic *domaz (source also of Old Saxon and Old Frisian dom, Old > Norse domr, Old High German tuom "judgment, decree," > Gothic doms"discernment, distinction"), perhaps from PIE root *dhe- > "to > set, place, put, do" (*source also of Sanskrit dhaman- "law,"* Greek themis "law," > Lithuanian dom? "attention"). > > Originally in a neutral sense but sometimes also "a decision determining > fate or fortune, irrevocable destiny." A book of laws in Old English was > a dombec. Modern adverse sense of "fate, ruin, destruction" begins early > 14c. and is general after c. 1600, from doomsday > and > the finality of the Christian Judgment. Crack of doom is the last trump, > the signal for the dissolution of all things. > > doom (v.) > > late 14c., domen, "to judge, pass judgment on," from doom > (n.). > The Old English word was deman, which became deem > . > Meaning "condemn (to punishment), pronounce adverse judgment upon" is from > c. 1600. Related: Doomed; dooming. > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:54 AM Simon Brodbeck via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > > > Can anyone comment on the etymological link (if any) between the word > "doom" and the word "dharma"? > > > > Thanks in advance ... > > > > Simon Brodbeck > > Cardiff University > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > > -- > > Nagaraj Paturi > > > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > > > > Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthew.scarborough at cantab.net Mon Aug 19 02:34:17 2019 From: matthew.scarborough at cantab.net (Matthew Scarborough) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 19 03:34:17 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I would refer you to the most recent etymological handbooks: Mayrhofer's _Etymologisches W?rterbuch des Altindoarischen_, Vol. I (Heidelberg, 1992) pp. 778-780 derives Vedic _dh?rman-_ 'St?tze, fester Halt, feststehende Ordnung, Gesetz' and derivatives as nominal derivatives to Vedic ?dhar- 'halten, festhalten' and ultimately to PIE *d?er- 'make firm, fix' (cf. Rix et al. _Lexikon der indogermanischen Verben_ 2e pp.145-146 for further cognates). As for Proto-Germanic *d?ma- 'verdict, evaluation' on the other hand, it is typically derived from PIE *d?oh?-mo-, a derivative of PIE *d?eh?- 'to put, place', cf. Orel, _A Handbook of Germanic Etymology_ (Leiden, 2003) p.73, Kroonen, _Etymological Dictionary of Proto-Germanic_ (Leiden, 2013) p.98, and, e.g., Lehmann, _A Gothic Etymological Dictionary_ (Leiden, 1986) p.93. As such, the similarity between Vedic _dh?rman- _and English _doom_ is a chance resemblance with no common etymology linking the two together, not even as a root etymology. I hope you find this email is helpful. Kind regards, Matthew Scarborough --- Dr. M. J. C. Scarborough On 2019-08-18 21:23, Simon Brodbeck via INDOLOGY wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Can anyone comment on the etymological link (if any) between the word "doom" and the word "dharma"? > > Thanks in advance ... > > Simon Brodbeck > Cardiff University > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Mon Aug 19 10:15:13 2019 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 19 15:45:13 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Adisila fonts download for free. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you. I want to bring notice to all these fonts are just update but not yet finalized and not an official release yet. We are also improving them with diacritics etc. Any feedback or error report is appreciated. Thanks and regards On Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 7:15 AM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Thank you very much indeed! > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > > On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 11:28, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear all >> The fonts are ready in 2 versions. Inspired by Nirnaya sagar typefoundry. >> >> With and without gap in ???????? >> >> We are also creating one more version of variant ligatures like ?. ? ??? >> etc. Which will be sent soon. Along with one more design. >> >> Thanks to all the contributors. 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The areas of interest include, but are not limited to: ** Sanskrit Computational linguistics: with extensions to related ancient Indian languages (Vedic, Pali, Prakrits)* Digital lexicons, thesauri and wordnets Computational phonology and morphology Syntactic analysis Prose order normalisation Parsing Structural semantics Machine Translation Automatic analysis of Sanskrit corpus Machine Learning approaches to computational processing Navya Ny?ya technical language processing and semantic analysis Information extraction ** Sh?stric Sanskrit texts and computation* Computer modeling and simulation of Paninian and other traditional grammars Theories of ??bdabodha and Sanskrit computational processing ** Sanskrit digital libraries management:* Tools for acquisition & maintenance of Sanskrit digital corpus Library crawlers or search tools in Sanskrit corpus Incorporation of grammatical information in Sanskrit corpus Automated tools for evaluation of Sanskrit poetry, e.g., meter recognition/verification, ala?k?ra identification, ?le?a analysis Software tools for phylogenic studies, intertextuality management, establishment of critical editions, and other philological applications OCR recognition of romanized Sanskrit as well as ancient Indian scripts Digital cataloguing of manuscripts Digital font creation, rendering of phonetic features, etc. Encoding procedures and workflows Presentation and transformation of TEI data Named entity recognition Collaborative annotation and editing Alignment of text with images (including manuscripts) User interface design ** Misc computer applications relevant to Sanskrit:* Software tools for teaching Sanskrit Sanskrit speech recognition and synthesis Social media applications for Sanskrit dissemination *Programme Committee * Stefan Baums (University of Munich) Laxmidhar Behera (IIT Kanpur) Pawan Goyal (IIT Kharagpur) Brendan Gillon (McGill University) Olivier Hellwig (University of Zurich) G?rard Huet (Inria Paris) Amba Kulkarni (University of Hyderabad) Malhar Kulkarni (IIT Bombay) Pavan Kumar Satuluri (Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad) Andrew Ollett (Harvard University, Cambridge, MA) Dhaval Patel (Ahmedabad) Ganesh Ramakrishnan (IIT Bombay) Peter Scharf (IIIT Hyderabad) Srinivasa Varakhedi (KKSU, Ramtek) K Varalakshmi (Osmania University, Hyderabad) Web Chair: Amrith Krishna, IIT Kharagpur Previous Editions: INRIA Paris Rocquencourt (2007), Brown University, USA (2008), University of Hyderabad, India (2009), JNU, Delhi, India (2010) and IIT Bombay (2013) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Regards, Pawan Goyal Assistant Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur, West Bengal, India -- 721302 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ? ?? ?????: ?????? ????? ??????: ll Let noble thoughts come to us from every side. - Rig Veda, I-89-i. Professor & Head Department of Sanskrit Studies University of Hyderabad Prof. C.R. Rao Road Hyderabad-500 046 (91) 040 23133802(off) http://scl.samsaadhanii.in http://sanskrit.uohyd.ac.in/scl http://tdil-dc.in/scl http://sanskrit.uohyd.ac.in/faculty/amba -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.mcclish at northwestern.edu Mon Aug 19 18:43:18 2019 From: mark.mcclish at northwestern.edu (Mark McClish) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 19 18:43:18 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Book_announcement:_The_History_of_the_Artha=C5=9B=C4=81stra?= Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, I am pleased to announce the publication of my new book on the compositional history of the Artha??stra and its philosophy of governance: Mark McClish. The History of the Artha??stra: Sovereignty and Sacred Law in Ancient India (Cambridge University Press, 2019), 306 pages. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/history-of-the-arthasastra/051E3A722C5339D78EC9B57897827BCD#fndtn-information Summary: The first half of the book presents a model of the Artha??stra?s textual development, arguing that the extant text is a 3rd century CE redaction of a treatise written a few centuries earlier. This model is then used in the second half to demonstrate that the political theologies of var?adharma and r?jadharma exerted little influence on the original text, which was decidedly empiricist and pragmatic in character. I argue that this disposition characterized the early statecraft tradition generally. Table of Contents: 1. Introduction 2. Artha??stra Historiography 3. The Resegmentation of the Artha??stra 4. Citation and Attribution 5. The Deep Structure of the Text 6. The History of the Artha??stra 7. The Politics of the Da??an?ti 8. 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Vergiani, Bilingual Discourse and Cross-Cultural Fertilisation: Sanskrit and Tamil in Medieval India, Pondicherry 2013, pp.69-91. In the article I deal, among other things, with the j?tis (Tamil ti?ais) and rasas (p. 80). The pdf is on my website. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: dinsdag 20 augustus 2019 1:47 Aan: Indology Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Rasas and music Dear list members, Would any members know if there are any writings relating rasas to music. Ideally what I'm looking for are statements relating individual musical ragas to particular rasas. Such as: "Raga X manifests rasa Y". I'm interested in any writings up to and including modern times. Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Mark McClish via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Sent: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 00:14:09 GMT+0530 To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Book announcement: The History of the Artha??stra Dear Colleagues,   I am pleased to announce the publication of my new book on the compositional history of the Artha??stra and its philosophy of governance:   Mark McClish. The History of the Artha??stra: Sovereignty and Sacred Law in Ancient India (Cambridge University Press, 2019), 306 pages.   https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/history-of-the-arthasastra/051E3A722C5339D78EC9B57897827BCD#fndtn-information   Summary: The first half of the book presents a model of the Artha??stra?s textual development, arguing that the extant text is a 3rd century CE redaction of a treatise written a few centuries earlier. This model is then used in the second half to demonstrate that the political theologies of var?adharma and r?jadharma exerted little influence on the original text, which was decidedly empiricist and pragmatic in character. I argue that this disposition characterized the early statecraft tradition generally.   Table of Contents: 1. Introduction 2. Artha??stra Historiography 3. The Resegmentation of the Artha??stra 4. Citation and Attribution 5. The Deep Structure of the Text 6. The History of the Artha??stra 7. The Politics of the Da??an?ti 8. Var?adharma in the Artha??stra 9. Statecraft, Law, and Religion in Ancient India   All best, Mark   _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Simon Brodbeck via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Sent: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:54:06 GMT+0530 To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doom and dharma Dear colleagues, Can anyone comment on the etymological link (if any) between the word "doom" and the word "dharma"? Thanks in advance ... Simon Brodbeck Cardiff University _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 21:30, Deepro Chakraborty via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Hello Jan, > > Some friends of mine from Tripura University told me that the university > manuscript section possesses certain Mog and Chakma manuscripts. > > If you want I can keep you in touch with my friends for further > information about the collection. They teach Sanskrit there. > > Regards, > Deepro > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de Wed Aug 21 10:53:52 2019 From: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de (John Peterson) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 19 12:53:52 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Doctoral position in socio-linguistic methods and material culture Message-ID: <97c768860f5ab4ce0fd5d0c85e464ca3@isfas.uni-kiel.de> (apologies for cross-postings!) JOB ANNOUNCEMENT DOCTORAL POSITION IN sOCIO-LINGUISTIC METHODS AND MATERIAL CULTURE THE NEW CLUSTER ROOTS ? SOCIAL, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND CULTURAL CONNECTIVITY IN PAST SOCIETIES in the frame of the German Excellence Initiative explores social, environmental, and cultural processes that have substantially shaped past human development (and which are still active today). Research is organized in six research units (i.e. subclusters) covering six foci: (1) Environmental hazards and impacts; (2) Dietary intake and disease; (3) Knowledge production, technology, and innovation; (4) Population agglomeration and urbanisation; (5) Social differentiation and inequalities; and (6) Conflict and conciliation. The ROOTS 'Reflective Turn' will enable cross-disciplinary dialogue and enquiries within and between research foci, providing an overarching theoretical frame. Research Associates and PhD students participate in the ROOTS Young Academy. The ROOTS Young Academy brings together young experts from an array of disciplines, which support ROOTS research with innovative research ideas. The Young Academy provides young researchers with excellent conditions for a successful career and personal development. We invite applications for the DOCTORAL POSITION ?SOCIO-LINGUISTIC METHODS AND MATERIAL CULTURE? to begin as early as possible PROFILE: Historical Linguistics, Methods of Quantitative Linguistics, Sociolinguistics The successful candidate will conduct work on linguistic aspects of social stratification in NORTH INDIA from a historical perspective, with special reference to the EASTERN GANGES BASIN. She/He will work in close cooperation with scholars from both general linguistics and archaeology, taking not only sociolinguistic aspects of historical language stratification into account but also aspects of material culture. Research will address these aspects in different social and economic groups from this region, e.g. hunter and gatherer societies (or social groups which until recently fell within this group and have since changed to a more sedentary lifestyle), farming communities, different castes and their languages / dialects from a historical perspective, etc. Integration into the research agenda of 'ROOTS of social inequality' is expected as well as coopera-tion with other subclusters. REQUIRED QUALIFICATIONS: Eligible candidates must hold an outstanding university degree (MA or equivalent) in General Linguistics, Indo-European Linguistics or in a related linguistic field with a focus on historical and/or socio-linguistics. The successful candidate will have a keen interest in historical linguistics and will be familiar with sociolinguistic methodology and various quantitative methods in linguistics. Publications in historical linguistic and complementary expertise in historical sociolinguistics and/or in the area of language contact will be an asset. Knowledge of a modern South Asian language is desirable and/or the willingness to obtain a basic knowledge of spoken and written Hindi within the first six months of the employment. Salary will be at 65% (currently 25,16 h/week) of level TV-L 13 of the federal wage agreement scheme (Tarifvertrag der L?nder). The term is fixed for a period of 3,5 years (42 months). Kiel University is an equal opportunity employer and is committed to increasing the proportion of female scientists in research and teaching, and strongly encourages female applicants. Women will be given preference in case of equal suitability, competence, and professional performance. The University is also committed to the employment of disabled person, and such individuals will be accorded preference if suitable. Applications by people with a migration background are particularly welcome. Please address your application (cover letter; CV (including list of publications); the proposed doctoral project (max. 1500 words), including a brief summary, state of the art, a concise project description, and a work schedule; and the name of two references with contact information; a copy (in .pdf format) of your master-thesis or proof of equivalent qualification; certificates of academic degrees) as ONE SINGLE .PDF DOCUMENT until 1ST OCTOBER 2019 to: Search Committee Speaker Prof. Dr. Johannes M?ller, Cluster of Excellence ROOTS, Kiel University, Leibnizstra?e 3, 24118 Kiel, Germany via e-mail (application at roots.uni-kiel.de) Please refrain from submitting application photos. For additional information, please contact: Prof. Dr. John Peterson peterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de, +49 431 880-2414 -- John Peterson Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft (ISFAS) Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t zu Kiel Olshausenstra?e 40 D-24098 Kiel Germany Tel.: (+49) (0)431-880 2414 Fax: (+49) (0)431-880 7405 Homepage: http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/mitarbeitende/john-peterson Project on the languages of South Asia: http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/efprojects "There's no present like the time." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Aug 21 12:50:52 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 19 05:50:52 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ??????????????? ?????? ????????????? ??? ? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????????? ??????? Controlling all my senses, if I can go into my own heart, then perhaps I will be able to see you, O Krishna. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 13:18:14 2019 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 19 07:18:14 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chakma Manuscripts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oops. Classic error. Answering late at night after a demanding day ? On Tue, 20 Aug 2019, 22:11 Dominik Wujastyk, wrote: > Dear Deepro, > > My life is too short to take Chakma and Magh into account as a research > interest, I'm sorry to say. One eventually has to draw the line. > > It might be worth announcing this possibility in the INDOLOGY forum. > > Thank you, and thanks to your friends. > > Dominik > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 21:30, Deepro Chakraborty via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Hello Jan, >> >> Some friends of mine from Tripura University told me that the university >> manuscript section possesses certain Mog and Chakma manuscripts. >> >> If you want I can keep you in touch with my friends for further >> information about the collection. They teach Sanskrit there. >> >> Regards, >> Deepro >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chakrabortydeepro at gmail.com Wed Aug 21 21:24:34 2019 From: chakrabortydeepro at gmail.com (Deepro Chakraborty) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 19 15:24:34 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Chakma Manuscripts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Prof. Wujastyk, for these kind words. I kept Jan Ku?era in touch with my friends. They will soon contact the manuscript section and will let Jan know about the process of accessing the material. Sincerely, Deepro On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:18 AM Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > Oops. Classic error. Answering late at night after a demanding day ? > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019, 22:11 Dominik Wujastyk, wrote: > >> Dear Deepro, >> >> My life is too short to take Chakma and Magh into account as a research >> interest, I'm sorry to say. One eventually has to draw the line. >> >> It might be worth announcing this possibility in the INDOLOGY forum. >> >> Thank you, and thanks to your friends. >> >> Dominik >> -- >> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >> , >> >> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >> , >> >> Department of History and Classics >> >> , >> University of Alberta, Canada >> . >> >> South Asia at the U of A: >> >> sas.ualberta.ca >> >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 21:30, Deepro Chakraborty via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Hello Jan, >>> >>> Some friends of mine from Tripura University told me that the university >>> manuscript section possesses certain Mog and Chakma manuscripts. >>> >>> If you want I can keep you in touch with my friends for further >>> information about the collection. They teach Sanskrit there. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Deepro >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Aug 22 13:38:09 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 19 06:38:09 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????????????????? ?????????? ????????? ? ??????????? ???????????????? ??????? What could quench the dissatisfaction of the runaway modulations of mind, other than a shower of the elixir of Krishna? Madhav M. 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All the best Adam [cid:image001.jpg at 01D559CC.698015E0][cid:image002.jpg at 01D559CC.698015E0] Dr Adam Bowles Senior Lecturer in Asian Religions Convenor, Studies in Religion Discipline School of Historical and Philosophical Inquiry Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences The University of Queensland Tel:+61 7 33656324 Email:a.bowles1 at uq.edu.au Web: http://hapi.uq.edu.au/dr-adam-bowles https://uq.academia.edu/AdamBowles https://twitter.com/Bowles1A [FaceBook-icon] Associate Editor, South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/csas20/current CRICOS Provider Number: 00025B This email is intended solely for the addressee. It may contain private or confidential information. If you are not the intended addressee, you must take no action based on it, nor show a copy to anyone. Kindly notify the sender by reply email. 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I'd like to discuss that in another thread where I'll discuss its relevance to Indology. Later today I'll post more in this genetics thread about the serious problems with the New Scientist article as it applies to our areas of study. Best, Dean Dr. Dean AndersonEast West Cultural InstitutePondicherry, IndiaAustin, Texas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mehner at sub.uni-goettingen.de Fri Aug 23 11:58:31 2019 From: mehner at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Mehner, Maximilian | GRETIL) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 19 11:58:31 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] GRETIL update #494 Message-ID: <81491854bb5a4983b917d7629a70496f@sub.uni-goettingen.de> GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection: Texts added: Taittiriyopanisad with Samkarabhasya Amoghapasahrdayasutra, Ed. Meisezahl Satasahasrikaprajnaparamita, Part 1 I also took the liberty to simplify the website: the categories and overall structure are the same, but navigation should be easier and there is no need to go into subsites anymore to get to the texts. Best wishes, Max __________________________________________________________________________ GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Aug 23 13:09:32 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 19 06:09:32 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????????? ??? ????????????? ????? ???????? ? ??? ?? ?????????????? ????? ????????????? ??????? O Krishna, like the unceasing affection of the cowgirls for you, may the modulations of my mind be attached to you. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Fri Aug 23 20:40:36 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 19 16:40:36 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Rasas and music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you to: Harsha Ebeling, who pointed me to Klaus Ebeling's book Ragamala Painting. Herman Tieken, who pointed me to his article "Early Tamil Poetics between Natyasastra and Ragamala". George Hart, who pointed out "in Deccani folk culture ragas (pans) were associated with erotic situations, moods and time of day". Harry Spier On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 7:47 PM Harry Spier wrote: > Dear list members, > > Would any members know if there are any writings relating rasas to music. > Ideally what I'm looking for are statements relating individual musical > ragas to particular rasas. Such as: > "Raga X manifests rasa Y". > > I'm interested in any writings up to and including modern times. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlighthiser at gmail.com Sat Aug 24 02:20:52 2019 From: tlighthiser at gmail.com (Timothy P. Lighthiser) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 19 20:20:52 -0600 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_PDF_of_Elizarenkova's_"Notes_on_the_wolf_in_the_=E1=B9=9Agveda"?= Message-ID: If I may: Could someone please send to me a PDF of Elizarenkova's "Notes on the wolf in the ?gveda"? Thank You! T. Lighthiser >From SARDS3 http://www.sards.uni-halle.de/?do=query Author : Elizarenkova, Tatiana Yakovlevna Title : Notes on the wolf in the ?gveda Journal : Rocznik Oryentalistyczny Volume : 60 Year : 2007 Page : 43-48 Keyword : '?gveda'; wolf; v?ka; etymology; lexicography; semantics Quote : Elizarenkova, Tatiana Yakovlevna: Notes on the wolf in the ?gveda, in: Rocznik Oryentalistyczny, 60, 2007, S. 43-48. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Aug 24 12:56:25 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 19 05:56:25 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????????????????? ?????? ????? ????? ? ???????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? When the bees of the modulations of mind constantly roam around Krishna, what is the point of restraining them? Madhav M. 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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 19 17:29:04 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Skt./Pkt. prose word order In-Reply-To: Message-ID: See this article http://sanskrit.uohyd.ac.in/faculty/amba/PUBLICATIONS/papers/sktsynOffprintAKulkarnietal.pdf and type in word order sanskrit on google and you will find more. One of my countrymen has written a phd thesis on this topic but at the moment his name does not come to my mind. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: zaterdag 24 augustus 2019 16:07 Aan: Indology Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Skt./Pkt. prose word order Dear friends and colleagues, I am still puzzled sometimes by the word order in prose dialogues of early Sanskrit and Prakrit stage plays and other prose compositions. And I am sure there are more studies on this than J.S. Speijer's Sanskrit Syntax. Can you please refer me to some of these? anug?h?to' smi yu?m?kam upak?re?a, Christian Ferstl University of Vienna _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From slaje at kabelmail.de Sat Aug 24 18:02:45 2019 From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 19 20:02:45 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Skt./Pkt. prose word order In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To cite but a few on prose compositions: V. S. Apte: The Student's Guide to Sanskrit Composition. 1885. 1st Reprint Delhi 1995. Delbr?ck, B.: Altindische Syntax. [Syntaktische For?schun?gen.5.] Halle 1888. Gren-Eklund, Gunilla: A study of Nominal Sen?ten?ces in the Ol?dest Upani?ads. [Ac?ta Universi?ta?tis Upsaliensis.3.] Upp?sa?la 1978 . Hartman, C.G.: Emphasizing and connecting par?ticles in the thir?teen principal Upa?nishads. [Suomalaisen tiedeakatemian toi?mituksia. Sarja B,143,2.] Helsinki 1966 . P. Hartmann, Nominale Ausdrucksformen im wissenschaftlichen Sanskrit. Heidelberg 1955 . R. Harweg, Komposition und Katalysationstext vornehmlich im sp?ten Sanskrit. The Hague 1964 . H. Jacobi, ?ber den Stil des wissenschaftlichen Sanskrits. *Indogerm. Forschungen* 14 (1903): 236-251. [*Kl. Schr*. 6-21]. Speyer, J.S.: Vedische und Sanskrit-Syntax. [Grundriss der Indo-Arischen Philologie und Altertumskunde.1,6.] 1896. Pho?to?mechan. Nachdruck. Graz 1974. Thommen, Eduard: Die Wortstellung im nachvedischen Alt?indischen und im Mittelindischen. G?tersloh. 1903. Nachdr. Bonn 1994 [Sarasvati ser. 11.]. Gary A. Tubb, Emery R. Boose, Scholastic Sanskrit. [Treasury of the Indic Sciences series.]. New York 2007. Regards, WS Am Sa., 24. Aug. 2019 um 16:07 Uhr schrieb Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > Dear friends and colleagues, > > I am still puzzled sometimes by the word order in prose dialogues of > early Sanskrit and Prakrit stage plays and other prose compositions. And > I am sure there are more studies on this than J.S. Speijer's Sanskrit > Syntax. Can you please refer me to some of these? > > anug?h?to' smi yu?m?kam upak?re?a, > Christian Ferstl > University of Vienna > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > ----------------------------- Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With kind regards, Amba Kulkarni -- ? ?? ?????: ?????? ????? ??????: ll Let noble thoughts come to us from every side. - Rig Veda, I-89-i. Professor & Head Department of Sanskrit Studies University of Hyderabad Prof. C.R. Rao Road Hyderabad-500 046 (91) 040 23133802(off) http://scl.samsaadhanii.in http://sanskrit.uohyd.ac.in/scl http://tdil-dc.in/scl http://sanskrit.uohyd.ac.in/faculty/amba -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Brochure.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 379945 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca Sun Aug 25 10:09:41 2019 From: brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca (Brendan S. Gillon, Prof.) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 19 10:09:41 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Skt./Pkt. prose word order In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In addition to those mentioned by Walter Slaje, let me add these four: Staal, J. F. 1967 Word Order in Sanskrit and Universal Grammar. Dordrecht, Holland: D. Reidel Publishing Co. (Foundations of Language, SupplementarySeries: v. 5). Tikkanen, Bertil 1987 The Sanskrit Gerund: A Synchronic, Diachronic and Typological Analysis. Helsinki, Finland: Finnish Oriental Society (Studia Ori- entalia: v. 62). Gillon, Brendan S. 1996 Word order in Classical Sanskrit. Indian Linguistics: v. 57, n. 1, pp. 1?35. Gillon, Brendan S. 1995 The autonomy of word formation: evidence from Classical Sanskrit. Indian Linguistics: v. 56, n. 1-4, pp. 15?52. Best wishes, Brendan Gillon On 2019-08-24 2:02 p.m., Walter Slaje via INDOLOGY wrote: To cite but a few on prose compositions: V. S. Apte: The Student's Guide to Sanskrit Composition. 1885. 1st Reprint Delhi 1995. Delbr?ck, B.: Altindische Syntax. [Syntaktische For?schun?gen.5.] Halle 1888. Gren-Eklund, Gunilla: A study of Nominal Sen?ten?ces in the Ol?dest Upani?ads. [Ac?ta Universi?ta?tis Upsaliensis.3.] Upp?sa?la 1978 . Hartman, C.G.: Emphasizing and connecting par?ticles in the thir?teen principal Upa?nishads. [Suomalaisen tiedeakatemian toi?mituksia. Sarja B,143,2.] Helsinki 1966 . P. Hartmann, Nominale Ausdrucksformen im wissenschaftlichen Sanskrit. Heidelberg 1955 . R. Harweg, Komposition und Katalysationstext vornehmlich im sp?ten Sanskrit. The Hague 1964 . H. Jacobi, ?ber den Stil des wissenschaftlichen Sanskrits. Indogerm. Forschungen 14 (1903): 236-251. [Kl. Schr. 6-21]. Speyer, J.S.: Vedische und Sanskrit-Syntax. [Grundriss der Indo-Arischen Philologie und Altertumskunde.1,6.] 1896. Pho?to?mechan. Nachdruck. Graz 1974. Thommen, Eduard: Die Wortstellung im nachvedischen Alt?indischen und im Mittelindischen. G?tersloh. 1903. Nachdr. Bonn 1994 [Sarasvati ser. 11.]. Gary A. Tubb, Emery R. Boose, Scholastic Sanskrit. [Treasury of the Indic Sciences series.]. New York 2007. Regards, WS Am Sa., 24. Aug. 2019 um 16:07 Uhr schrieb Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY >: Dear friends and colleagues, I am still puzzled sometimes by the word order in prose dialogues of early Sanskrit and Prakrit stage plays and other prose compositions. And I am sure there are more studies on this than J.S. Speijer's Sanskrit Syntax. Can you please refer me to some of these? anug?h?to' smi yu?m?kam upak?re?a, Christian Ferstl University of Vienna _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ----------------------------- Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1 D-99425 Weimar Deutschland Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam, sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat. Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Brendan S. Gillon email: brendan.gillon at mcgill.ca Department of Linguistics McGill University tel.: 001 514 398 4868 1085, Avenue Docteur-Penfield Montreal, Quebec fax.: 001 514 398 7088 H3A 1A7 CANADA webpage: http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/group3/bgillo/web/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Aug 25 13:00:16 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 19 06:00:16 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????????????? ? ??????????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? Let the stream of your sweetness constantly flow in my heart, so that I may immerse in it and attain your friendship. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com Sun Aug 25 16:52:35 2019 From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 19 16:52:35 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Scientist article about the Yamnaya migrations (27 March 2019 ) In-Reply-To: <4BC865FA-CA34-447E-81F8-2641B5D571FC@berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <1294767249.1321623.1566751955158@mail.yahoo.com> Dear List, The issues brought up in this article are quite relevant to Indology as well as my wider interest in the Indo-Europeans. Since I'm working on a publication that deals with some of these issues, I thought I'd give an overview of some salient points. I've also included references for those who might want to go deeper. Regarding the genetics, I think the main thrust of this article (1) is hyperbolic. It actually empowers those ?narratives of violence? by giving them an appearance of scientific respectability which is not currently supported by the evidence. More importantly for this forum, I think it is an inaccurate portrayal of the era. I should point out that the article is in the popular science magazine New Scientist and thus increasing sales was at least one reason why this article hyping "genocide" was on the cover and accompanied by lurid illustrations and quotes. In the past, other scientists have criticized them for this kind of approach. (2, 3) There are two invasionist scientists who are prominently featured in the article. I'll deal with the sidebar first since it is less significant. It quotes British geneticist Martin Richards who has recently published an important paper relevant to Indology (4) and also cites another important study by Reich et al. (5) Richards concludes, ?Indigenous males seem to have been marginalised by the new arrivals much more than the women and were unable to have children to the same extent,? says Richards. ?This seems unlikely to have been a wholly benign process.? Even given the standard scientific reticence and British understatement, saying that it was "unlikely to have been a wholly benign process?, is basically a non-statement that could describe most of human history. The same could be said about walking down the streets of modern Manhattan after dark! It can hardly be extended to support the large-scale genocidal conquests claimed by the article. In the past I have warned in this forum about trying to draw sweeping conclusions from genetic studies and, while the two studies above are important advances, the authors themselves, and many other geneticists, make it quite clear that this area is still in its early stages. We should be wary of any claims that the issues concerning us have been finally resolved by genetics. In fact, the successes of the studies mentioned here are good examples because their improved methodologies often argue against earlier widely heralded findings. The main article starts by saying: "Neolithic Europe was subjected to a devastating conquest." It then quotes Kristian Kristiansen (6) who says,? ?I?ve become increasingly convinced there must have been a kind of genocide." Moving deeper into the main article, however, we see that Kristiansen's genocide interpretation is not widely accepted. In fact, there is much to argue against it. (7) The article goes on to say that Volker Heyd (8) "cautions that it is based on evidence snatched from a few isolated sites. It is still far from clear, he says, that such a simple model can explain the spread of the Yamnaya and the rise of the Corded Ware people in its entirety. ... 'Geneticists are basically looking at ethnicity. But archaeologists are foremost looking at identity'". Martin Furholt (9) concurs. The article quotes him as saying, "The idea that archaeological units of classification represent human groups of a shared social, or ethnic identity has been proven wrong many times during the history of research". In his well-known article defending the Aryan Migration Theory, our own Michael Witzel points out that ?pots don't speak?. (10) His point is that the Vedic Aryans, like their wide-spread early Indo-European forebears, are a cultural and linguistic group, not an ethnic group or one that can be identified by their pots, or, in this case, genes. Any genetic group can learn an Indo-European language or adopt an Indo-European culture. There was no Aryan race; the term conflates two quite different realities. Regarding the conclusion that mixed DNA is a sign of violent invasions, George Hart commented in this thread, "Perhaps it?s worth pointing out that current research suggests that Ashkenazi Jews also have a mixture of DNA ? paternal DNA from the near east but maternal DNA mostly from Europe. I don?t think anyone has suggested that the Jews have a violent history as anything but victims in Europe. It seems to me that Richards? suggestion is irresponsible and almost certainly inaccurate." There is some controversy over Jewish maternal origins (11, 12, 13) but his basic point is well taken: there are numerous examples of major cultural change that did not involve invasions or even major migrations. The late Gregory Possehl, one of our greatest Harappan archaeologists, proposed the Middle Asian Interaction Sphere (MAIS) (14) which covered not just South Asia but "the interaction and trade between distant lands stretching from Mesopotamia to the Persian Gulf, the Iranian Plateau, and Central Asia". (15) Other scholars think along the same lines. (16, 17, 18, 19) Based on his work, I propose the Middle Asian Interaction Theory (MAIT) to explain early Indo-European influences. It emphasizes several forms of interaction, including but not limited to invasion or migration, and which postulates a longer time frame than is generally considered for Eastern Middle Asia. There are half a dozen nonviolent reasons for the small, localized cultures of this early period to have adopted Indo-European culture depending on the time and their level of development. I call this the Indo-European Cultural Package. I had considered going into other examples of linguistic and cultural transfer that did not involve significant invasions or migrations but this has gone on longer than I'd planned. They include not just the modern Jews, but also the spread of Buddhism and other cultures in Central Asia, and even ancient Israel. I'm not sure how much interest there is about this discussion so I'll end it now. I will let Heyd summarize what I consider to be the most important issue in this article, although it is often overlooked. I suggest it can be generalized to shed light on much of the early Indo-European period, including South Asia. I deal with this and other issues in my publication that is in preparation. Archaeologist Volker Heyd: "Rather than a single genetic transmission from Yamnaya to the Central European Corded Ware Culture, there is considerable evidence for centuries of connections and interactions across the continent, as far as Iberia." (20) -- (1) Barras, Colin. 2019. ?Story of Most Murderous People of All Time Revealed in Ancient DNA.? New Scientist. March 27, 2019. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24132230-200-story-of-most-murderous-people-of-all-time-revealed-in-ancient-dna/. (2) Paul Z. Meyers. 2009. ?New Scientist Flips the Bird at Scientists, Again | ScienceBlogs.? March 21, 2009. https://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/21/new-scientist-flips-the-bird-a. (3) John Baez. 2006. ?The N-Category Caf?.? September 19, 2006. https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2006/09/a_plea_to_save_new_scientist.html. (4) Moorjani, Priya, Kumarasamy Thangaraj, Nick Patterson, Mark Lipson, Po-Ru Loh, Periyasamy Govindaraj, Bonnie Berger, David Reich, and Lalji Singh. 2013. ?Genetic Evidence for Recent Population Mixture in India.? American Journal of Human Genetics 93 (3): 422?38. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajhg.2013.07.006. (5) Silva, Marina, Martin Richards, Daniel Vieira, Andreia Brand?o, Teresa Rito, Joana B. Pereira, Ross M. Fraser, et al. 2017. ?A Genetic Chronology for the Indian Subcontinent Points to Heavily Sex-Biased Dispersals.? BMC Evolutionary Biology 17 (1): 88. https://doi.org/10.1186/s12862-017-0936-9. (6) Kristiansen has published several papers on his theory including: Kristiansen, Kristian, Morten E. Allentoft, Karin M. Frei, Rune Iversen, Niels N. Johannsen, Guus Kroonen, ?ukasz Pospieszny, et al. 2017. ?Re-Theorising Mobility and the Formation of Culture and Language among the Corded Ware Culture in Europe.? Antiquity 91 (356): 334?47. https://doi.org/10.15184/aqy.2017.17. (7) Quiles, Carlos. 2017. ?The Renewed ?Kurgan Model? of Kristian Kristiansen and the Danish School: ?The Indo-European Corded Ware Theory? ? Indo-European.Eu.? November 18, 2017. https://indo-european.eu/2017/11/the-renewed-kurgan-model-of-kristian-kristiansen-and-the-danish-school-the-indo-european-corded-ware-theory/, https://indo-european.eu/2017/11/the-renewed-kurgan-model-of-kristian-kristiansen-and-the-danish-school-the-indo-european-corded-ware-theory. (8) Heyd, Volker. 2017. ?Kossinna?s Smile.? Antiquity 91 (356): 348?59. https://doi.org/10.15184/aqy.2017.21. Olalde, I?igo, Selina Brace, Morten E. Allentoft, Ian Armit, Kristian Kristiansen, Thomas Booth, Nadin Rohland, Volker Heyd, et al. 2018. ?The Beaker Phenomenon and the Genomic Transformation of Northwest Europe.? Nature 555 (March): 543?543. https://doi.org/10.1038/nature26164. (9)? Furholt, Martin. 2018. ?Massive Migrations? The Impact of Recent ADNA Studies on Our View of Third Millennium Europe.? European Journal of Archaeology 21 (2): 159?91. https://doi.org/10.1017/eaa.2017.43. (10) http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/AryanHome.pdf Page 7. (11) Costa, Marta D., Joana B. Pereira, Maria Pala, Ver?nica Fernandes, Anna Olivieri, Alessandro Achilli, Ugo A. Perego, et al. 2013. ?A Substantial Prehistoric European Ancestry amongst Ashkenazi Maternal Lineages.? Nature Communications 4 (October): 2543. https://doi.org/10.1038/ncomms3543. (12) Behar, Doron M., Ene Metspalu, Toomas Kivisild, Alessandro Achilli, Yarin Hadid, Shay Tzur, Luisa Pereira, et al. 2006. ?The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder Event.? American Journal of Human Genetics 78 (3): 487?97. https://doi.org/10.1086/500307. (13) Das, Ranajit, Paul Wexler, Mehdi Pirooznia, and Eran Elhaik. 2017. ?The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish.? Frontiers in Genetics 8. https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087. (14) Possehl, Gregory L. 2002. The Indus Civilization: A Contemporary Perspective. Walnut Creek, CA: AltaMira Press. (15) Possehl, Gregory L. 2007. ?The Middle Asian Interaction Sphere | Expedition Magazine.? Expedition 49 (1): 40?42. https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-middle-asian-interaction-sphere/ (16) Kohl, Philip L. 2011. ?World-Systems and Modelling Macro-Historical Processes in Later Prehistory:: An Examination of Old and a Search for New Perspectives.? In , 77?86. https://doi.org/10.2307/j.ctvh1dr2k.11. (17) Kohl, Philip L. 2007. The Making of Bronze Age Eurasia. Cambridge World Archaeology. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. https://doi.org/10.1017/CBO9780511618468. (18) Drews, Robert. 2000. ?Medinet Habu: Oxcarts, Ships, and Migration Theories.? Journal of Near Eastern Studies 59 (3): 161?90. (19)? Sherratt, Susan. 2010. ?The Aegean and the Wider World: Some Thoughts on a World-Systems Perspective.? M. Galaty and W. Parkinson (Eds), Archaic State Interaction: The Eastern Mediterranean in the Bronze Age. The Aegean and the wider world: some thoughts on a world-systems perspective (20) https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/kossinnas-smile/8ABA3BD9132B7605E8871236065CD4E3 summary conclusion of Heyd, Volker. 2017. ?Kossinna?s Smile.? Antiquity 91 (356): 348?59. https://doi.org/10.15184/aqy.2017.21. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at Mon Aug 26 12:27:38 2019 From: christian.ferstl at univie.ac.at (Christian Ferstl) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 19 14:27:38 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Skt./Pkt. prose word order In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <33371407c8e4d32126a958d871299816@univie.ac.at> Dear Sanskrit-Mahopadhyayas, thanks a lot for your references! What Coulson writes on word order in his Sanskrit Introduction (thanks to Harry Spier for this reference!) boils down my problem: ?One might suggest that its role is sometimes analogous to that of stress and intonation in spoken English, but a detailed investigation of this would depend upon more adequate accounts both of Sanskrit word order and of the role of stress/intonation patterns in English than at present exist.? That was exactly the reason for my query. And I?m happy to see that the literature suggested on the topic is more than I would have expected. The studies by Aklujkar (1996), Apte (1885), Gillon (1995 and 1996), Thite (1984), and Thommen (1903) seem especially promising. It will take some time to go through them in detail .. Thanks again, Christian Ferstl From hyoungseok.ham at gmail.com Mon Aug 26 13:00:37 2019 From: hyoungseok.ham at gmail.com (Hyoung Seok Ham) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 19 22:00:37 +0900 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Award: The 1st KABS Mujin Writing Award Announcement Message-ID: Apologies for cross-posting. The 1st KABS Mujin Writing Award Announcement The Korean Association of Buddhist Studies (KABS ) invites excellent papers in any discipline of Buddhist Studies to promote pioneering researches of early career scholars. KABS will provide an award of $3,000 to three papers based on evaluation by the committee formed of the KABS editors and guest specialists. Awarded papers will be published through KABS?s official journal, *Korea Journal of Buddhist Studies* (Bulgyohak Y?ngu ?????). KABS will also provide opportunities of publication to outstanding, but not awarded, papers. Ph.D. students and early career Ph.Ds (who obtained the degree within 5 years (after 2014)) are eligible. Papers should be written in English on MS Word. Papers may be written on any topic related to Buddhism and Buddhist Studies. The deadline is September 30, 2019 (KST; Local Time in Seoul). To submit your paper or query about the details of the award, please email to contact at kabs.re.kr. KABS Mujin Writing Award is established by generous support of Mujin, Kyonghwan Hwang. KABS plans to hold this writing competition every year. Best regards, Hyoung Seok Ham Assistant Professor Department of Philosophy, Chonnam National University Gwangju, Republic of Korea -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Aug 26 13:02:33 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 19 06:02:33 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ??????? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????????? ? ???????? ?????????????? ??????? ????? ???? ??????? Actors come and go on the stage of the world. O Krishna, you hold their strings and hide in the background. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hhhock at illinois.edu Mon Aug 26 17:31:16 2019 From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 19 17:31:16 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Skt./Pkt. prose word order In-Reply-To: <33371407c8e4d32126a958d871299816@univie.ac.at> Message-ID: <28E3B1AC-5435-4779-A246-63EA0CA56121@illinois.edu> Dear Colleague, You might also take a look at the attached document ?ChronologyGenre", which deals with the issue of word order differences in different genres of Sanskrit. A second attachment is a broader survey on Sanskrit syntax, which also addresses issues of word order. With all best wishes, Hans Henrich Hock > On 26 Aug2019, at 07:27, Christian Ferstl via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Sanskrit-Mahopadhyayas, > > thanks a lot for your references! What Coulson writes on word order in his Sanskrit Introduction (thanks to Harry Spier for this reference!) boils down my problem: > > ?One might suggest that its role is sometimes analogous to that of stress and intonation in spoken English, but a detailed investigation of this would depend upon more adequate accounts both of Sanskrit word order and of the role of stress/intonation patterns in English than at present exist.? > > That was exactly the reason for my query. And I?m happy to see that the literature suggested on the topic is more than I would have expected. The studies by Aklujkar (1996), Apte (1885), Gillon (1995 and 1996), Thite (1984), and Thommen (1903) seem especially promising. 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Long Professor of Religion and Asian Studies Elizabethtown CollegeElizabethtown, PA https://etown.academia.edu/JefferyLong Series Editor,?Explorations in Indic Traditions: Theological, Ethical, and PhilosophicalLexington Books "One who makes a habit of prayer and meditation will easily overcome all difficulties and remain calm and unruffled in the midst of the trials of life." ?(Holy Mother Sarada Devi) "We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." (Carl Sagan) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Saxenapaperbackbookannouncement.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 310958 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bgalasek at googlemail.com Tue Aug 27 20:33:40 2019 From: bgalasek at googlemail.com (Bruno Galasek) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 19 13:33:40 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request PDF or ref. Monika Zin, Mitleid und Wunderkraft Message-ID: Esteemed colleagues, I would be very grateful if someone could kindly provide me with a PDF of the chapter on Angulimala ("Der M?rder Angulimaala") from Monika Zin's book, *Mitleid und Wunderkraft: schwierige Bekehrungen und ihre Ikonographie im indischen Buddhismus*. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz, 2006, pp. 101-124 or, alternatively, with the page no. to her statement that Angulimala represents the klesha 'anger' ("Zorn"?), referring to (or citing?) a corresponding explanation given in the *Arthavini?cayas?tranibandhana*, if I remember this last part correctly? I need to update the reference for a publication but don't have her book at hand. Unfortunately, I'm unable at the moment to obtain the book through a library or receive it in time for the deadline. Many thanks! Bruno Galasek-Hul -- Bruno Galasek-Hul, Ph.D. 1313 Driver Rd. Trinidad, CA 95503, USA Cell: +1-203-507-0080 <212035070080> E-mail: bgalasek at pm.me https://independent.academia.edu/BrunoGalasekHul http://84000.co/about/translators/ https://btw.mangalamresearch.org/en-us/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Aug 28 13:03:26 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 19 06:03:26 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????????? ???????? ?????? ??:???? ?????? ???: ? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???????: ??????? You are called Krishna as you pull our hearts and you are called Hari as you take away our sadness. Since you fill the world with sweetness, you are called Madhusudana. Madhav M. 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And archive.org as far as I can see only has the first edition. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Elliot M. Stern 552 South 48th Street Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 emstern1948 at gmail.com 267-240-8418 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harshadehejia at hotmail.com Wed Aug 28 22:42:28 2019 From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 19 22:42:28 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Batiks Message-ID: Friends Does Bharata in the Natyashastra use the term nayika? Regards Harsha Prof. Harsha Dehejia Sent from my iPhone From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 22:49:08 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 19 18:49:08 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF needed In-Reply-To: <2185FD45-C613-4551-8075-4992E966DD2C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Elliot, Thank you so much! Thats exactly what I'm looking for. Best wishes, Harry Spier On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:32 PM Elliot Stern wrote: > Dear Harry, > > Is this what you?re looking for? - > https://archive.org/details/NatyasastraWithEnglishTranslationVolume2ManomohanGhosh1961bis_201804/page/n31 > > Elliot > > On Aug 28, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear list members, > > Would anyone be able to provide me with a pdf of Ghosh's translation of > Natyasastra verses 28-37-141 and 29.1 - 13. His english translation of > these chapters is only in the second edition. And archive.org as far as > I can see only has the first edition. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > Elliot M. Stern > 552 South 48th Street > Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029 > emstern1948 at gmail.com > 267-240-8418 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 23:15:25 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 19 19:15:25 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Batiks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: See this wikipedia article. According to it. The eight types of nAyikAs are mentioned at 24.210-211. Harry On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:43 PM Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Friends > Does Bharata in the Natyashastra use the term nayika? > Regards > Harsha > Prof. Harsha Dehejia > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 23:21:31 2019 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 19 19:21:31 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Batiks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heres the link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashta_Nayika On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 7:15 PM Harry Spier wrote: > See this wikipedia article. According to it. The eight types of nAyikAs > are mentioned at 24.210-211. > Harry > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:43 PM Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> >> Friends >> Does Bharata in the Natyashastra use the term nayika? >> Regards >> Harsha >> Prof. Harsha Dehejia >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psdmccartney at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 08:16:46 2019 From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 17:16:46 +0900 Subject: [INDOLOGY] help with an article search Message-ID: Dear Friends, might anyone know if this talk is published in some other format? Kulkarni, E. D. 1961. ?Malla??stra of Dev?si?ha: Its Contents and Importance.? In *Proceedings and Transactions of the All-India Oriental Conference: 21st Session, Srinagar.* Vol. 1. Edited by V. Raghavan. Pune: BORI. Kulkarni gave a talk at the All-India Oriental Conference in 1961. The only mention of this presentation is in the ToC of the proceedings; which only list the presenters and the title of their talks. Vol. I: Section XIII: Technical Sciences and Fine Arts. 14. Mallasastra of Devisimha: Its Contents and Importance Dr. E. D. Kulkarni, Poona. Here is the link for this particular mention - it is on page 79/485 of the pdf. https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.119301/page/n79 Regrettably, pp 341-352 only give a general overview of this particular panel. Please let me know if you have any idea where/if this presentation was published. Thank you. All the best, ????? ??????? 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Message-ID: <2c543d82-cb76-3022-5977-b0b25123f928@gmail.com> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: > Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in > the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my languages. Best wishes, Martin Gansten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Thu Aug 29 10:25:22 2019 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 12:25:22 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: <2c543d82-cb76-3022-5977-b0b25123f928@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a81844a-0cb7-9992-e7ef-6bbcd15027dc@univ-paris-diderot.fr> If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 which starts with: ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, ???? ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. You can see ??? in the second line There does not seem to be references to ??? in the older layer of Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple described in https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf I hope this is useful -- Jean-Luc Chevillard https://twitter.com/JLC1956 On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: > In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta > /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: > >> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in >> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) > > Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have not > seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my languages. > > Best wishes, > Martin Gansten > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Thu Aug 29 10:33:25 2019 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 12:33:25 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: <9a81844a-0cb7-9992-e7ef-6bbcd15027dc@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Message-ID: I now see that I should have written > You can see ??? in the THIRD line -- Jean-Luc Chevillard https://twitter.com/JLC1956 On 29/08/2019 12:25, Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY wrote: > If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century people > in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the answer is > probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the same belief > in other parts of India or other parts of the world > > If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in > ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the earliest > reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram > > See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 > which starts with: > > ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, > ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- > ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, ???? > ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. > > You can see ??? in the second line > > There does not seem to be references to? ??? in the older layer of Tamil > literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la literature > tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) > > One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple > described in > > https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf > > I hope this is useful > > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > > > On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: >> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta >> /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: >> >>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in >>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) >> >> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have >> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my >> languages. >> >> Best wishes, >> Martin Gansten >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) From martingansten at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 11:02:24 2019 From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 13:02:24 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: <9a81844a-0cb7-9992-e7ef-6bbcd15027dc@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Message-ID: Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I was simply interested in having the existence of this expression confirmed and learning how widespread it might be. Best wishes, Martin G. Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY: > If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century > people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the > answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the > same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world > > If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in > ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the > earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram > > See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 > which starts with: > > ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, > ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- > ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, ???? > ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. > > You can see ??? in the second line > > There does not seem to be references to? ??? in the older layer of > Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la > literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, > Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) > > One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple > described in > > https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf > > I hope this is useful > > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > > > On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: >> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta >> /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: >> >>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in >>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) >> >> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have >> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my >> languages. >> >> Best wishes, >> Martin Gansten >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or unsubscribe) From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 11:07:41 2019 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 16:37:41 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Idioms and proverbs with 'S'ani in the mouth' 'S'ani on the tongue' are found in Telugu and Kannada too apart from Tamil. On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:04 PM Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I now see that I should have written > > > > You can see ??? in the THIRD line > > > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > On 29/08/2019 12:25, Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY wrote: > > If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century people > > in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the answer is > > probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the same belief > > in other parts of India or other parts of the world > > > > If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in > > ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the earliest > > reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram > > > > See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 > > which starts with: > > > > ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, > > ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- > > ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, > ???? > > ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. > > > > You can see ??? in the second line > > > > There does not seem to be references to ??? in the older layer of Tamil > > literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la literature > > tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) > > > > One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple > > described in > > > > https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf > > > > I hope this is useful > > > > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard > > > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: > >> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta > >> /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: > >> > >>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in > >>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) > >> > >> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have > >> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my > >> languages. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Martin Gansten > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> INDOLOGY mailing list > >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > >> committee) > >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > >> or unsubscribe) > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or > > unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Thu Aug 29 11:12:41 2019 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 11:12:41 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Martin, I have not found the saying in Rev. Herman Jensen, A Classified Collection of Tamil Proverbs. A Bilingual Edition, Delhi 2002 (reprint)., which has a section on ca?i (nos. 2234-2241) and a word index which refers to nos. 199, 2240, 2318 and 2322. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 13:02 Aan: indology at list.indology.info Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I was simply interested in having the existence of this expression confirmed and learning how widespread it might be. Best wishes, Martin G. Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY: > If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century > people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the > answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the > same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world > > If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in > ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the > earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram > > See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 > which starts with: > > ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, > ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- > ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, ???? > ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. > > You can see ??? in the second line > > There does not seem to be references to ??? in the older layer of > Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la > literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, > Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) > > One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple > described in > > https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf > > I hope this is useful > > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > > > On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: >> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta >> /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: >> >>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in >>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) >> >> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have >> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my >> languages. >> >> Best wishes, >> Martin Gansten >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From LubinT at wlu.edu Thu Aug 29 11:14:16 2019 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 11:14:16 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Martin, have you consulted the old collections of Tamil Proverbs by Jensen and Percival. Many proverbs therein mention ?ani/Saturn, but looking quickly I do not see the one you mention. They are available from Google Books and Archive.org. Best, Tim Timothy Lubin Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Chair of the Department of Religion 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/ http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 From: INDOLOGY on behalf of INDOLOGY Reply-To: Martin Gansten Date: Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 7:03 AM To: INDOLOGY Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I was simply interested in having the existence of this expression confirmed and learning how widespread it might be. Best wishes, Martin G. Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY: If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 which starts with: ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, ???? ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. You can see ??? in the second line There does not seem to be references to ??? in the older layer of Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple described in https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf I hope this is useful -- Jean-Luc Chevillard https://twitter.com/JLC1956 On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my languages. 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URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Thu Aug 29 11:21:41 2019 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 11:21:41 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Martin, an afterthought: I had a look at the Cre-A Dictionary of Tamil, s.v. ca?iya?, (a ca?i-like person) "a term of abuse used when sth. or s.o. is considered troublesome or unwelcome; an expression conveying impatience." But, again, no proverb. Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 13:02 Aan: indology at list.indology.info Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I was simply interested in having the existence of this expression confirmed and learning how widespread it might be. Best wishes, Martin G. Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY: > If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century > people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the > answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the > same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world > > If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in > ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the > earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram > > See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 > which starts with: > > ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, > ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- > ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, ???? > ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. > > You can see ??? in the second line > > There does not seem to be references to ??? in the older layer of > Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la > literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, > Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) > > One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple > described in > > https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf > > I hope this is useful > > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > > > On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: >> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta >> /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: >> >>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in >>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) >> >> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have >> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my >> languages. >> >> Best wishes, >> Martin Gansten >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Thu Aug 29 12:00:16 2019 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 12:00:16 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: <9a81844a-0cb7-9992-e7ef-6bbcd15027dc@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Message-ID: In Parthasarathy's translation of the Cilappatik?ram, on p. 98 it reads "Even if ?ani (Tamil ca?i)/Fumes and comets blaze ..." But then, the Cilappatik?ram does not belong to the so-called older layers of Tamil literature (pace Tieken, 2001/2017 reprint). Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 12:25 Aan: indology at list.indology.info Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 which starts with: ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, ???? ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. You can see ??? in the second line There does not seem to be references to ??? in the older layer of Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple described in https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf I hope this is useful -- Jean-Luc Chevillard https://twitter.com/JLC1956 On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: > In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta > /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: > >> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in >> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) > > Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have not > seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my languages. > > Best wishes, > Martin Gansten > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 11:59:50 2019 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 17:29:50 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One extremely popular proverb in Telugu, with 'S'ani in mouth' is ??????? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ???. a?ga?l? ann? unn? allu?i n??l? ?ani. In spite of everything (available in the shop, S'ani in the mouth of the son-in-law. Many websites such as this discuss it. On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:58 PM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Martin, I have not found the saying in Rev. Herman Jensen, A > Classified Collection of Tamil Proverbs. A Bilingual Edition, Delhi 2002 > (reprint)., which has a section on ca?i (nos. 2234-2241) and a word index > which refers to nos. 199, 2240, 2318 and 2322. > Herman > > Herman Tieken > Stationsweg 58 > 2515 BP Den Haag > The Netherlands > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > website: hermantieken.com > > ________________________________________ > Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Martin Gansten > via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] > Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 13:02 > Aan: indology at list.indology.info > Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? > > Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I > was simply interested in having the existence of this expression > confirmed and learning how widespread it might be. > > Best wishes, > Martin G. > > Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY: > > If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century > > people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the > > answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the > > same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world > > > > If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in > > ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the > > earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram > > > > See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 > > which starts with: > > > > ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, > > ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- > > ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, > ???? > > ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. > > > > You can see ??? in the second line > > > > There does not seem to be references to ??? in the older layer of > > Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la > > literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, > > Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) > > > > One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple > > described in > > > > https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf > > > > I hope this is useful > > > > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard > > > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: > >> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta > >> /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: > >> > >>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in > >>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) > >> > >> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have > >> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my > >> languages. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Martin Gansten > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> INDOLOGY mailing list > >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > >> committee) > >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > >> or unsubscribe) > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > > or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 5:31 PM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Martin, an afterthought: I had a look at the Cre-A Dictionary of > Tamil, s.v. ca?iya?, (a ca?i-like person) "a term of abuse used when sth. > or s.o. is considered troublesome or unwelcome; an expression conveying > impatience." But, again, no proverb. > Herman > > Herman Tieken > Stationsweg 58 > 2515 BP Den Haag > The Netherlands > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > website: hermantieken.com > > ________________________________________ > Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Martin Gansten > via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] > Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 13:02 > Aan: indology at list.indology.info > Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? > > Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I > was simply interested in having the existence of this expression > confirmed and learning how widespread it might be. > > Best wishes, > Martin G. > > Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY: > > If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century > > people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the > > answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the > > same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world > > > > If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in > > ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the > > earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the T?v?ram > > > > See the well-known hymn T?v?ram 2:85 > > which starts with: > > > > ???? ??? ???? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????, > > ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????????--- > > ??????, ???????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ???, ??????????????, > ???? > > ??? ?????; ????????; ??? ????????, ??????????????? ?????. > > > > You can see ??? in the second line > > > > There does not seem to be references to ??? in the older layer of > > Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la > > literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Fran?ais d'Indologie, > > Pondich?ry, 1967-1970) > > > > One should also mention (in connection with ???) the well-known temple > > described in > > > > https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf > > > > I hope this is useful > > > > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard > > > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote: > >> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta > >> /[= /ad???a/] 1.2), I read: > >> > >>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in > >>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.) > >> > >> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have > >> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my > >> languages. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Martin Gansten > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> INDOLOGY mailing list > >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > >> committee) > >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > >> or unsubscribe) > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > INDOLOGY mailing list > > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > > committee) > > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > > or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Thu Aug 29 12:30:21 2019 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 14:30:21 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Herman, thanks for pointing to this interesting passage. I have just verified that the Cilap. text has ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? (Cilap., Canto X, line 102) That is why the IFP Index de Mot de la Lit?rature Ancienne has no entry for ??? .... The word used is ??????? (which the commentator identifies with ???) That is interesting Best wishes -- Jean-Luc https://twitter.com/JLC1956 On 29/08/2019 14:00, Tieken, H.J.H. wrote: > In Parthasarathy's translation of the Cilappatik?ram, on p. 98 it reads "Even if ?ani (Tamil ca?i)/Fumes and comets blaze ..." But then, the Cilappatik?ram does not belong to the so-called older layers of Tamil literature (pace Tieken, 2001/2017 reprint). From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Thu Aug 29 12:42:41 2019 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 14:42:41 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <49913df5-f480-88c6-dbcd-4cd64430ba5d@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Post-Scriptum: I see in the 2001 ???????? ?????? ????? ????????? ???????? that, according to the scholars who compiled it, ??????? has been used in ancient Tamil literature with three different meanings: -- ??? (in the Cilappatik?ram passage already quoted) -- ???????? (in the Ma?im?kalai, Canto 25, line 55) -- ???????? (in the T?v?ram) This is certainly an interesting configuration Best wishes -- Jean-Luc https://twitter.com/JLC1956 On 29/08/2019 14:30, Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY wrote: > Dear Herman, > > thanks for pointing to this interesting passage. > > I have just verified that the Cilap. text has > > ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? > (Cilap., Canto X, line 102) > > That is why the IFP Index de Mot de la Lit?rature Ancienne has no entry > for ??? .... > > The word used is ??????? > (which the commentator identifies with ???) > > That is interesting > > Best wishes > > -- Jean-Luc > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > On 29/08/2019 14:00, Tieken, H.J.H. wrote: >> In Parthasarathy's translation of the Cilappatik?ram, on p. 98 it >> reads "Even if ?ani (Tamil ca?i)/Fumes and comets blaze ..." But then, >> the Cilappatik?ram does not belong to the so-called older layers of >> Tamil literature (pace Tieken, 2001/2017 reprint). > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr Thu Aug 29 13:28:52 2019 From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 15:28:52 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: <49913df5-f480-88c6-dbcd-4cd64430ba5d@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Message-ID: <7a98fcd8-858f-9189-cd7f-af95f363a506@univ-paris-diderot.fr> Second Post-Scriptum Based on the notes given by UVS, I now see that the Cilappatik?ram line (i.e. ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ??????????) seems to be a variation on a ????????? line, namely ???????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? (Pu?am 117, line 1) Commentators seem to think that ???????? is also a reference to Saturn, if I understand them correctly ....) Obviously, I have sent too many posts today. Therefore I shall leave it at that :-) Best wishes to all -- Jean-Luc Chevillard https://twitter.com/JLC1956 On 29/08/2019 14:42, Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY wrote: > Post-Scriptum: > > I see in the 2001 ???????? ?????? ????? ????????? ???????? that, according to > the scholars who compiled it, ??????? has been used in ancient Tamil > literature with three different meanings: > > -- ??? (in the Cilappatik?ram passage already quoted) > -- ???????? (in the Ma?im?kalai, Canto 25, line 55) > -- ????????? (in the T?v?ram) > > This is certainly an interesting configuration > > Best wishes > > -- Jean-Luc > > https://twitter.com/JLC1956 > > > > On 29/08/2019 14:30, Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY wrote: >> Dear Herman, >> >> thanks for pointing to this interesting passage. >> >> I have just verified that the Cilap. text has >> >> ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? >> (Cilap., Canto X, line 102) >> >> That is why the IFP Index de Mot de la Lit?rature Ancienne has no >> entry for ??? .... >> >> The word used is ??????? >> (which the commentator identifies with ???) >> >> That is interesting >> >> Best wishes >> >> -- Jean-Luc >> >> https://twitter.com/JLC1956 >> >> >> >> On 29/08/2019 14:00, Tieken, H.J.H. wrote: >>> In Parthasarathy's translation of the Cilappatik?ram, on p. 98 it >>> reads "Even if ?ani (Tamil ca?i)/Fumes and comets blaze ..." But >>> then, the Cilappatik?ram does not belong to the so-called older >>> layers of Tamil literature (pace Tieken, 2001/2017 reprint). >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Aug 29 13:29:58 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 06:29:58 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ? ? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ??????: ??????? You alone are the uplifter and supporter of the world, and holding up the mount Govardhana with your finger, you are the holder of the earth. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Aug 29 13:43:22 2019 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 06:43:22 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ? ? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ???????? ??????? You alone are the uplifter and supporter of the world, and holding up the mount Govardhana with your finger. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martingansten at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 14:52:34 2019 From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 16:52:34 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9c076caf-20ee-d295-c5b2-ec365804666a@gmail.com> Many thanks to all who replied to this question. There are clearly many variants of proverbs including Saturn (I particularly enjoyed ??????????? ????? ????????? ?????????????, found in Jensen). Interpretations of what it means to 'have Saturn in one's mouth/on one's tongue' seem to differ to some extent, from being dissatisified to constantly saying the wrong thing to causing or predicting misfortune. Best wishes, Martin Gansten From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 15:07:23 2019 From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 19 17:07:23 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] help on Barmati Panth Message-ID: Dear all, I am looking for someone that may help me with an article on Barmati Panth tradition. Please, if you have a bit of free time contact me off-list. Best, Paolo -- *Paolo E. Rosati* *PhD in Asian and African Studies(South Asia Section)Italian Institute of Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome* *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ * paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Mobile/Whatsapp: (+39) 338 73 83 472 Skype: paoloe.rosati -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thursday, 29 August 2019, 17:46:09 BST, Raffaele Torella wrote: Dear colleague,here is the article. Interesting, indeed, if a bit problematic here and then? Kind regardsRT Il giorno 29 ago 2019, alle ore 17:17, Oliver Fallon via INDOLOGY ha scritto: Dear Colleagues,Could anyone kindly send me a PDF of:Ingalls: 'Words for Beauty in Classical Sanskrit Poetry'In:Indological Studies in Honor of W. Norman Brown, pp. 87?107. New Haven: AmericanOriental Society.With thanks,Oliver Fallon _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Prof. Raffaele?Torella Chair of Sanskrit Sapienza University of Rome www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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