[INDOLOGY] mea culpa and Dominik's contribution

Fri Apr 5 16:18:48 UTC 2019

Dear Dominik Wujastyk
I second the opinions about bearing the expenses.
KP

On Fri 5 Apr, 2019, 9:40 PM Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
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> Still, I’d be happy to help with the expenses too.
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> Best wishes,
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> Camillo
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> *From:* Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 05 April 2019 15:50
> *To:* Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> *Cc:* Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>; Indology <
> indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] mea culpa and Dominik's contribution
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> Dear Madhav and Jonathan, it's kind of you to offer, and I imagine many
> other people would be equally willing to contribute if I put a big Patreon
> button on the website.  Over the years and with the help of various
> committees membersI have thought about different business models for the
> list. I don't know if you remember, but at one time I tried to run a little
> Amazon bookshop on the website, with curated indological titles.  I would
> have got a fraction of a cent for each Amazon sale through that channel.
> But it didn't meet a real need and wasn't used.  At another time I had some
> website pages at indology.info that listed publishers.  Charging for that
> would have been a more obvious way of getting some income, but I never
> wanted the entanglement with billing, correspondence, tax, etc.  So that
> was always a free service to publishers and eventually I decided just not
> to do it.  Another obvious model would be to bring the forum into H-Asia,
> and we nearly did that, some years back.  However, H-Asia imposes some
> limits on what a member-list can do, including having to pay to post job
> advertisements, and we didn't want those kinds of stricture.  Another model
> would be to use a university-hosted Mailman installation.  After all,
> INDOLOGY enjoyed the generous and free support of the U. of Liverpool for
> many years when it first started.  But I have moved around different
> institutions in my career, and my experience has been that universities
> have short memories where digital support is concerned.  You set something
> up, and then five years later you get sharp emails from the service admins
> saying that they are going to pull the plug.  UCL was very bad when I left,
> deleting my files without notice.  Vienna has been better, that way.  I
> think I was traumatized by the whole BlackBox affair in the mid-90s, when
> the U. of Washington summarily deleted all the marvellous indological
> materials that had been made public for years by Tom Ridgeway[*
> <http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1997-July/008892.html>].
> Since then, I've never really trusted university computing departments to
> have a long view.  University libraries are institutionally concerned with
> long-term preservation, but libraries curate static data, not functioning
> services.
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> So I arrived at the counter-intuitive position that running the website
> and Mailman as a private individual was likely to provide a more stable and
> long-lasting environment than working with a university.   It is also the
> path of least resistance to just keep the service afloat and not to bother
> myself or others with all the complications of collecting money.  This
> takes the least number of brain cycles for me, and leaves me most free to
> actually do the things I love, including indology.  I'm now a bit sorry I
> mentioned it publicly, but I was writing hastily and in a spirit of full
> disclosure.
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> Something that I failed to mention in my response about how the committee
> works is that we have a weekly rota.  I think everyone knows this, but
> members of the committee take weekly turns being on duty.  So at any one
> time, only one of the committee members deals with correspondence or other
> tasks (but we all vote on issues and applications all the time).
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> Thanks again!
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> Dominik
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> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 at 07:14, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
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> Dear Dominik,
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>      My reaction is similar to Jonathan's.  I would be willing to
> contribute toward the cost of maintaining the Indology list.  Please
> consider setting up a way for us to share the cost.  With best wishes,
>
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> Madhav M. Deshpande
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> Professor Emeritus
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> Sanskrit and Linguistics
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> University of Michigan
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> [Residence: Campbell, California]
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> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 12:51 AM Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
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> Dear Dominik
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> I am perhaps not the only member who felt more than a twinge of guilt in
> reading that you have been paying for storage out of your pocket. While I
> agree that simply repeating previous posts is a very bad idea (I would have
> said for reasons of legibility and page space, not storage cost), I would
> be more than delighted to contribute to the costs of funding Indology, and
> I am sure I am not the only one. Perhaps there is a way (sorry, I know this
> is more work for someone!) to make a page where I can make a donation?
> Paypal? Or--I'm blushing here--such a page already exists but I don't know
> about it?
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> Jonathan
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> J. Silk
> Leiden University
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> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
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