[INDOLOGY] [Archiving Open Access publications] Re: question about a soliciation from publisher MDPI

Mon Apr 1 04:35:22 UTC 2019

Dear Dominik &c.,

To clarify. The National Library of New Zealand, in the legal deposit
of an open access digital publication, does not assume the existence
of a Creative Commons licence. Such a licence -- rightly in my
opinion-- is considered optional:

National Library of New Zealand - Legal Deposit - Submitting
Publication
http://bit.ly/2FEJ7Wy

https://natlib.govt.nz/publishers-and-authors/legal-deposit/submitting-
your-publication

Form -- Publication for Legal Deposit
http://bit.ly/2JXXDxY

https://natlib.govt.nz/files/legaldeposit/Publication-for-legal-deposit
-form.pdf

I think that the decision to assign any licence --CC or not-- is best
left to the author.

Best, Richard

-- 
Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica

Littledene  Bay Road  Oxford  NZ 
T: +6433121699  M: +64210640216 
r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org 

http://indica-et-buddhica.org/ 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
To: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica <rmahoney at fastmail.com>,
Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] [Archiving Open Access publications] Re:
question about a soliciation from publisher MDPI
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 14:56:23 -0600

Dear Jonathan,

As far as I understand, you are right, Jonathan.  Sean Gaffney's book
(as a PDF, I've just downloaded) contains the (C) assertion that you
quote.  That the author retains the copyright is good and proper.  All
authors should hold on to their copyright in all circumstances.   That
stuff about "moral right" etc. doesn't say anything about whether the
book is OA or not.  All OA books have a copyright-holder too.

But to make a book Open Access, the copyright-holder needs to issue a
formal license statement that says, more or less, "As copyright holder,
I give everyone permission to copy this publication."  Sean Gaffney's
book does not include such a statement on the (C) page (in fact the
opposite, stringent restrictions), and this means that on the evidence
of the (C) page, it is not OA.  People downloading it will rightly be
in doubt about whether they are breaching the author's rights.  None of
the PDF or online metadata that I see accompanying the book says that
the author has issued an OA license.

The copyright-holder's license statement doesn't need to give away
*all* rights.  Various degrees of OA license are listed at
creativecommons.org, an organization that has given a lot of thought to
all this stuff.

To sum up: the author is the first copyright-holder and therefore
retains the right to control copying of their work.  The author, qua
copyright-holder, is the only person who may issue a license giving
people freedoms to do other things, like freely copying. Thus an OA
publication should make two things clear.  1. There is a copyright-
holder, 2. That person has issued an appropriate OA license.

Best,
Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk,
Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity,
Department of History and Classics,
University of Alberta, Canada.
South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 01:44, Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <indology at list
.indology.info> wrote:
> Dear Richard,
> First, I'm sure all are grateful for this source, and this avenue is
> interesting. But I do wonder about something, since you state that
> the publication is Open Access.
> The copyright notice nevertheless is the conventional:
> "© Copyright 2018 Sean D. Gaffney. All rights reserved.The Author
> asserts their moral rights in respect of this work,including their
> right to be identified as author"
> According to my understanding, "all rights reserved" means that the
> publication, despite having been posted for free download, is not in
> fact Open Access. But perhaps after all I am quite wrong about this;
> it certainly would be neither the first nor the last time!
> Best, Jonathan
> 
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 1:39 AM Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
> <rmahoney at fastmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Jonathan,
> > 
> > With the agreement of authors and editors, all monographs, editions
> > and proceedings that I publish will be available in an Open Access
> > edition to coincide with the initial print release.
> > 
> > It is relatively easy to ensure the long term availability of the
> > Open
> > Access edition. Both physical and electronic copies are deposited
> > --
> > Legal Deposit-- with the National Library of New Zealand.
> > 
> > The upshot, for example, is that this recently published edition is
> > available to borrow or to download:
> > 
> > Gaffney, Sean (2018) sKyes pa rabs kyi gleṅ gźi (Jātakanidāna): a
> > critical edition based on six editions of the Tibetan bKa' 'gyur.
> > Indica et Buddhica Jātakanidāna, v. 1. Oxford: Indica et Buddhica
> > Publishers.
> > 
> > 
> > Borrow:
> > 
> > http://bit.ly/2Ywyg9U
> > 
> > https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldis
> > play
> > ?docid=NLNZ_ALMA21311447700002836&context=L&vid=NLNZ&search_scope=N
> > LNZ&
> > tab=catalogue&lang=en_US
> > 
> > Download:
> > 
> > http://bit.ly/2FDVSki
> > 
> > https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldis
> > play
> > ?docid=NLNZ_ALMA21311447560002836&context=L&vid=NLNZ&search_scope=N
> > LNZ&
> > tab=catalogue&lang=en_US
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Best, Richard
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
> > 
> > Littledene  Bay Road  Oxford  NZ 
> > T: +6433121699  M: +64210640216 
> > r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org 
> > 
> > http://indica-et-buddhica.org/ 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> > Reply-to: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
> > To: Dan Lusthaus <prajnapti at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> > Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] question about a soliciation from publisher
> > MDPI
> > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 01:03:46 +0200
> > 
> > Dear Dan
> > I hope I am not seen as a shill for publishers, but I would like to
> > point out that what you say is not quite right. How are
> > contributions
> > to be found? How is their continued presence to be assured? How are
> > materials to be distributed? There are many more questions like
> > this
> > that your brief explanation omits, but that are vital. All of us
> > have
> > experienced multiple times a 404 message when following a link to
> > an
> > article or contribution of interest. If we want our publications to
> > last, this is not a viable model. This statement is not a positive
> > assertion of what is in fact the optimal model, but it does point
> > out a
> > weakness in your questioning. I think that there are some viable
> > options out there, but it's not nearly as simple as you suggest.
> > Jonathan
> > 
> > On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:11 PM Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <indology
> > @lis
> > t.indology.info> wrote:
> > > While on that subject, our entire profession is fiscally
> > backward. It
> > > is not just in regard to publications. Would a carpenter or
> > plumber
> > > pay you to come to your house to build or fix something? But we
> > pay
> > > hefty fees to go to conferences to present our research. Soon we
> > will
> > > all be paying to publish our work through “reputable” media.
> > > 
> > > As for publishers, profit is necessary to stay in business, so as
> > > hardcopies become increasingly vestigial, and free online
> > material
> > > increasingly available, who is the profit going to come from? And
> > the
> > > “free” part of online access is soon to disappear as well. The
> > > profit, of course, goes to the publishers. Royalties are a tiny
> > > percentage of what the book makes. The cost of producing a
> > volume,
> > > which, once typeset (and some of us end up doing camera-ready) is
> > > just the cost of paper, ink, and delivery. E-versions, which
> > don’t
> > > even cost that — just server space — are now the same price as
> > > hardcopy. At the recent AAS (Association of Asian Studies) the
> > > decrease in the number of publishers displaying wares, and the
> > > smaller booths rented by them, and the fewer actual items on
> > display
> > > by many, was clearly noticeable.
> > > 
> > > Shifting costs to our institutions, which are already
> > experiencing
> > > financial stresses which they pretend to solve by eliminating
> > > departments of Sanskrit, Religious Studies, etc., is not a
> > healthy
> > > solution.
> > > 
> > > The model is changing, and we are mostly complacent so far.
> > > 
> > > Dan
> > > 
> > > > On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Camillo Formigatti via INDOLOGY
> > <indo
> > > > logy at list.indology.info> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > It’s really interesting that in this discussion none of us has
> > > > actually pointed out that not only scientific publishers
> > shouldn’t
> > > > ask authors to pay a fee for publication, they should actually
> > pay
> > > > us for the work we’ve done. If scientific publishers ask
> > scholars
> > > > to pay a fee for publication it means that their business model
> > is
> > > > wrong in the best-case scenario or they’re criminals, plain and
> > > > simple. Maybe the reason for all this is that scientific
> > publishers
> > > > shouldn’t be run as businesses? I’m just throwing this idea
> > into
> > > > the arena, since it seems that the business-like model is now
> > all-
> > > > pervading in every single aspect of human life, even where it
> > > > shouldn’t.
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > Dr Camillo A. Formigatti
> > > 
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