[INDOLOGY] Scientification in India

Wed Sep 12 10:11:35 UTC 2018

On the other side, there have been critical assessments of the following
type too:

http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/108/04/0471.pdf

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:47 PM, patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This article by Scott Lowe
> <https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1525/nr.2011.14.4.54?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents>
> looks at TM and the issues of vedic science and science.  Another
> fascinating example that seems to offer a confluence of Nagaraj's parallel
> streams is the FVI, and their aspiration to re-establish a Vedic India.
> <http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/> This page
> <http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/videos.html>has some of their videos
> that introduce the TM concepts. Typical of TM, their research
> <http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/research.html> is exceptionally
> pseudosciency. One of the speakers was no other than Ramdev swami,
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQcDA7zsVSg> who claims that the goal is
> to first create a Vedic (Hindu) nation then Vedic world. It would seem
> that, like the Sangh's pivot to using Upadhaya's Integral Humanism
> <https://www.academia.edu/36885369/The_unintended_consequences_of_the_International_Day_of_Yoga>instead
> of the more controversial, Hindutva, the rhetorical pivot to Vedic also
> serves to obfuscate this theo-political aspiration. One of the key members
> of the AVI is John Hagelin, who used to work at CERN (the physics lab), but
> was too controversial. So controversial in fact that CERN wrote an open
> letter to him asking him to stop mentioning his former association with
> them. But not too controversial to be awarded the Ig Nobel Prize
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ig_Nobel_Prize>. The following is an
> excerpt from an article currently under review in which I discuss, in part,
> Hagelin's views:
>
> As Eriksen explains, 97 through the commodification of local products
> into distant imaginary *-scapes*, many concepts borrowed from science
> become theoretically dis-embedded through their use in popular mediums;
> which promotes ‘representational incorrectness’. This is evidenced in a
> series of lectures facilitated by the Vedic India Foundation,98 which
> present an idea of quantum physics with a new-age interpretation of Vedic
> cosmology that ultimately serves to create a Vedic India and world through
> combining it with string theory.99 However, Woit100 argues strongly
> against this position, ‘Virtually every theoretical physicist in the world
> rejects all of this as nonsense and the work of a crackpot’. Ultimately,
> promoters of ‘Vedic Science’ aim to legitimise a Hindu nationalist
> worldview.10
>
>
> 97 Eriksen T.H., *Globalization: The key concepts, *Bloomsbury, New York,
> 2014.
>
> 98 Vedic India Foundation, International Conference to Re-establish Vedic
> India, *http://*
>
> *www.vedicindiafoundation.org/ <http://www.vedicindiafoundation.org/> *(accessed
> 14.072015).
>
> 99 Scientific Basis for Vedic India, Dr. John Hagelin: Veda and Physics:
> The Science and Technology of the
>
> Unified Field, *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3f7_p1i8c&t=22s
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3f7_p1i8c&t=22s> *(accessed
> 09.07.2018).
>
> 100 Woit Peter, *Not Even Wrong: The Failure of String Theory and the
> Continuing *Challenge to Unify the
>
> Laws of Physics, Jonathan Cape, London, 2006, pp 209-210.
>
> 101 Nanda, 2003, p. 95.
>
>
> Some 20 years ago, I was deeply enamored by NC Panda's books that seek to
> combine advaita darshanas
> <https://archive.org/details/TheVibratingUniverseNCPanda_201709>with
> quantam theory. I had the good fortune of staying with him in his home in
> Bhubaneswar. I fondly remember a discussion around scalar waves and
> samadhi.  This collaboration by Deepak Chopra and physicist Leonard
> Mlodinow is also quite interesting. While they don't agree on many things,
> it's an interesting project.
>
> All the best,
>
> パトリック マッカートニー
> Patrick McCartney, PhD
> JSPS Fellow - Graduate School of Global Environmental Studies, Kyoto
> University, Japan
> Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
> Japan
> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
> National University
>
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>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:35 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Prof. Dominik Wujastyk for bringing origins of such ideas into
>> discussion and mentioning Arya Samaj. That may indicate that you are aware
>> of the origin of such ideas in Arya Samaj. Whether you are aware or not,
>> Swami Dayananda Saraswati , the founder of Arya Samaj, in his Rigvedadi
>> Bhaashya Bhumikaa tries to show 'sciences' such as Astronomy, political
>> thought etc.  in the Vedas.
>>
>> When you trace the origins of ideas such as ' all science is rooted in
>> India.' to such 19th century ideas as those of the founder of Arya
>> Samaj, you can see those ideas to be the extreme opposite ideas to the view
>> of Indians as savage, barbarian, ignorant lot without any rational
>> thinking, full of superstitions etc. Those ideas were a reaction to the
>> humiliation of a colonised nation by the coloniser community. This
>> article <https://gosai.com/writings/early-indology-of-india> is one of
>> many historical studies of such humiliating attitude of the intellectuals
>> from the community of the British people who colonised India. "No science,
>> no rational / logical thinking" was responded with claims ranging from "no
>> dearth for logical thinking, 'sciences etc.' "  up to the claims of all
>> 'sciences'. India-humiliating colonial historiography was responded to by
>> India- praising nationalist historiography. Though most of the nationalist
>> historiographers were rigorous in their methodology and were careful enough
>> not to make unjustifiable claims, as it always happens, particularly in the
>> emotional conditions such as the Indian national movement, the tracing of
>> ancient India's advancements in various knowledge areas lead to the popular
>> exaggerations such as   ' all science is rooted in India.' . The two
>> models of knowledge development, both extremes exaggerations, one of
>> "Paradise Lost" and the other of linear evolutionist strand for which all
>> older knowledge has to be inferior to the newer one by definition, have
>> been running parallel to each other, opposing each other, swinging the
>> pendulum to their own extremes. The claims such as   ' , of the all
>> science is rooted in India.'  of the  "Paradise Lost"  school of thought
>> very quickly exploited by the  linear evolutionist strand for
>> discounting the well founded claims of advanced knowledge in India in
>> certain knowledge areas.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:50 AM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Axel,
>>>
>>> Madhusudana Ojha
>>> <https://archive.org/stream/BrahmaVidyaRahasyam1/Brahma%20Vidya%20Rahasyam-1#page/n1>
>>> (1866-1939) was an important early-twentieth century voice in popularizing
>>> this view.  He published a lot of material, like *Indravijaya*, some of
>>> which still circulates I believe.  I once visited his former home in
>>> Jaipur, and many of his unpublished papers and diagrams were still there,
>>> and the family was keeping alive a devotion to his cosmic visions and
>>> scientist message.  One of Ojha's students was Vedavācaspati Paṇḍit Motilal
>>> Śāstrī (1908-1960) who continued to publish in the same vein, as do
>>> others <https://archive.org/stream/CosmicMatrix/Cosmic%20Matrix#page/n3>
>>> .
>>>
>>> Some notes from my visit in 2011:
>>>
>>> *Manvashram *(map <https://goo.gl/maps/Kp1Rkk2rzi12>)
>>> Shree Krishna Sharma, Gopalpura Mode, Tonk Road, Jaipur.
>>> A little , quiet, grassy enclosed courtyard with a grazing cow.  Various
>>> buildings around, labelled "university," printing press," etc., as if it
>>> were a small campus.  And a rusting 1903 English printing press at the
>>> front.
>>> Not a single Sanskrit MS, though.  The story of the place is quite
>>> interesting, nevertheless.  *Vedavācaspati Paṇḍit Motilal Śāstrī*
>>> (1908-1960) was the spirit of the place, and the father of the present
>>> occupant.  Motilal wrote 80,000 pages of materials on the interpretation of
>>> the Veda and on the Śatapathabrāhmaṇa.  He discovered a special code or
>>> cypher that explained everything.  He also developed a series of coloured
>>> geometrical drawings that showed a kind of evolutionary and hierarchical
>>> cosmology.  It turns out that his teacher was *Madhusudana Ojha*
>>> (1866-1939), which explains all the pseudo-science and back-to-the-vedas
>>> ideology (independent of the Arya Samaj, as far as I know).
>>> Motilal Śāstrī's father Balendu (I think) had the first printing press
>>> in Jaipur.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dominik
>>>
>>> --
>>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk
>>> <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>>> ,
>>>
>>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>>> ,
>>>
>>> Department of History and Classics
>>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>>> ,
>>> University of Alberta, Canada
>>> .
>>>
>>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>>
>>> sas.ualberta.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 at 01:33, Michaels, Axel via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the course of the recent WSC discussions on this list, Dr Iris Iran
>>>> Farkhondeh recently mentioned a little brochure by the RSS: “There was also
>>>> this little booklet produced by the RSS (samskrit samsthan and not svayam
>>>> sevak even though it seems now that the two RSS are getting nearer and
>>>> nearer) with a mention of astrolomy (sic) and all the other sciences that
>>>> for sure originated in ancient India.” Unfortunately, she did not keep this
>>>> booklet. Since I am co-editing a book on this topic, I would be very
>>>> grateful if someone who attended the conference could share the brochure
>>>> with me.  I would also be interested in relevant and serious literature
>>>> focusing and the wide-spread claim that all science is rooted in India.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Axel Michaels
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels
>>>>
>>>> Seniorprofessor | Vice President Heidelberg Academy of Science and
>>>> Humanities |
>>>>
>>>> Director Research Unit "Historical Documents of Nepal" (नेपालका पूर्व-
>>>> आधुनिक कालका लिखतहरू), Heidelberg Academy of Sciences and Humanities
>>>>
>>>> South Asia Institute
>>>> Im Neuenheimer Feld 330
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Neuenheimer+Feld+330+%0D%0A69120+Heidelberg,+Germany&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> 69120 Heidelberg, Germany
>>>>
>>>> http://www.haw.uni-heidelberg.de/forschung/
>>>> forschungsstellen/nepal/index.de.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

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