Re: [INDOLOGY] {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Continuing my Krishna verses

[Girish Jha]

Dear colleagues,
Dharma and Bhakti start from the faith.Only that Tarka[logic] is
permissible there which is approved by
Veda-Shastras.Tarkaapratisthaanaat.// As far as the Srimad Bhagavata
is concerned acc. to Indian Vaisnav Saints  Shukadeva ji approached
his father Veda Vyasa.He began to narrate the srimadBhagavata and as
soon as  Radha's name was pronounced Shukadeva reached the stage of
Samaadhi.This is why Veda Vyasa removed Radha's name from the
SrimadBhagavata.But in several contacts Radha is mentioned
indirectly.During the Raasalilaa Gopis, looking for srikrisna, went to
the middle part of the forest and found a particular Gopi sitting with
tears in her eyes.VedaVyasa sings,
" anayaaraadhito nunam Bhagavaan Harir iishvarah/ Yan no vihaaya
govindah priityaa taam anayad rahah"

Radha's name was removed but the root radh with upasarga "aa"has been
used.    In some other contexts the word raadhas ha been employed and
somewhere Radha is remembered in different styles.        In other
Puranas such as Padma,Skanda,Brahmavaivarta,DeviBhagavata and the like
Radha's name has been directly written.Many Pancharatra texts also
read Radha's name directly.The Gargasamhita depicts Radha in detail.
Radha and Krisna are anaadisiddha nitya divya dampatii in
Goloke.WhenKrishna came to the Martyaloke Radha became the role model
for devotion in parakiyaa bhaava. This is why Radha is not married to
Krisna.Vaisnavas of different schools consider Radha their svaamini [
aadyaa  aachaaryaa].         In the Gagasamhita and some other texts
there is a legend that many devotees expressed their desire to marry
or embrace sri Ram. He prohibited them as he was Ekapatnivrata and
inspired them to come to Dvaapara for Kaantaa bhaava.This is one of
various reasons of Krisnaavataara.These things are the matter of firm
belief.If you would try to prove these things on logic then the whole
theism
fall and scatter on the ground.
Dear Indologists,I came to know this idea at the lotus feet of old
saints.There are many other things and texts which I could not quote
for fear of expansion.
If my views are not acceptable please excuse me.
Iti RadhaKrisnadaasaanudaasakinkarasya Girish Kumar Jha sharmanah.

On 9/5/18, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
> There are views ranging from
>
> non-recognition of Radha as part of Bhagavata sampradaaya as there is no
> direct mention of the name in Srimadbhaagavata puraaNa
>
> through acceptance of Radha as a concept but from outside  Srimadbhaagavata
> puraaNa
>
> and through acceptance of Radha as a concept but from
> within  Srimadbhaagavata puraaNa interpreting a certain event in Rasalila
> as describing Radha only though name is not mentioned
>
> to the view that Sri Krishna can not be without Radha and Radha is superior
> to Sri Krishna.
>
> To my knowledge, in Gaudiya Vaishnava, Radha is taken as the aa*raadhy*ataa
> /aasvaadyataa in Sri Krishna and hence the idea of Sri Krishna without
> Radha is a misnomer.
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> Prof. Deshpande , though Maadhva by family tradition, seems to be not
> following any 'Vaadabheda' to use the frequently used term from many Bhakti
> poets.
>
> -----------
>
> My intention was as Dr B V K Sastry said, not to ask the poet to follow a
> specific tradition.
>
> ----
>
> Prof. Girish Jha too, as can be seen from his mails too saattvika to force
> any one to do anything.
>
> It appears to be his abhinives'a for the primacy of Radha that made him
> express the way he did.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Girish Jha <jhakgirish at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Professor Deshpande,
>> I had expressed my humble suggestion about Radha ji.It's a matter of
>> spiritual bliss and nothing else.As far as I know Radha is worshipped
>> with
>> Krisna everywhere.Your poetry is not a general one but it should be
>> considered a devotional poetry.Hence my advice is not aimed at any narrow
>> thinking but  is to deepen   the love emotion.A few years back Prof.Rasik
>> vihari Joshi has also written a lot on Radha-Krisna Bhakti.Bhakti poetry
>> has to be preserved within the bounds of Indian Culture.Nothing more to
>> write.All are here Sanskrit Scholars.Jaya Radhe Shyama.Pranamaami punah
>> punah.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 9:24 PM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Continuing my Krishna verses:
>>>
>>> Krishna says to me:
>>>
>>> नाहं कश्चिच्चित्ररूपो न परोक्षो न वाद्भुत: ।
>>> समाहिते तु ते चित्ते मां पश्येस्त्वं यथास्थितम् ।।५१८।।
>>> I am not some strange form, remote or mysterious. With a calm mind, you
>>> will see me as I am.
>>>
>>> हृदि संवेदना तेऽहं, श्रद्धा तेऽहं, मतिस्तथा ।
>>> चिन्ता तेऽहं, गतिस्तेऽहं, गम्योऽहं न कथं तव ।।५१९।।
>>> I am the sensation in your heart, your faith and your intelligence. I am
>>> your thought and your movement. How am I not known to you?
>>>
>>> आपद्गतो यदा मित्र मामाह्वयसि ते गिरा ।
>>> न दूरेऽहं समीपस्थस्तवाहमवने रत: ।।५२०।।
>>> Fallen in some difficulty, O friend, when you call me with your words, I
>>> am not far away. I am near you and busy protecting you.
>>>
>>> तव दु:खानि जानामि सुखानि च सुहृत् सदा ।
>>> व्यतीत्य मां भूतलेऽस्मिन् न दु:खं न च वा सुखम् ।।५२१।।
>>> O friend, I know your sorrows and happiness. In this world, no sorry or
>>> happiness transcends me.
>>>
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus
>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California]
>>>
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