From zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de  Thu Nov  1 01:06:08 2018
From: zydenbos at uni-muenchen.de (Robert Zydenbos)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 02:06:08 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nazis, India
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Dear Members of the Indology list,

On 2018-10-31 19:01, Philipp Maas via INDOLOGY wrote:

> On the scholarly quality of (as well as on the personal motivation for) 
> the publication by V. Adluri and J. Bagchee on German Indology see now 
> also J?rgen Hanneder's review entitled "Kraut Indology" here. [?]

It is appropriate in this connection that I point out the following: Dr. 
Bagchee signs his messages with

> Dr. Joydeep Bagchee
> Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen

To avoid any possible misunderstandings: I wish to make it absolutely 
clear that Dr. Bagchee is not affiliated in any way whatsoever with the 
Institut f?r Indologie und Tibetologie of the 
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen.

I believe that the members of the Indology List should be informed of 
this.

Robert Zydenbos

-- 
Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos
Institute of Indology and Tibetology
Department of Asian Studies
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen (University of Munich ? LMU)
Germany





From alanus1216 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 01:06:41 2018
From: alanus1216 at yahoo.com (Allen Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 01:06:41 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] caesarean sections
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There is an article "Aspects of caesarian section in India" By Horace J. Pole and and Philip Q. Roche in JAOS, Vol. 59, p. 17ff.? I cannot access it from home so can't give a summary.
Allen

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  On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:26, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY<indology at list.indology.info> wrote:   Dear list members,
I ask on behalf of a friend of mine who works in the history of medicine and has little knowledge of South Asian medical history: can anyone share references to pre-modern (ideally pre-second millennium CE) descriptions of caesarean sections in South Asian literature?
I'd be very grateful for any pointers...
Many thanks in advance!
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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Thu Nov  1 02:28:00 2018
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rocher, Rosane D)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 02:28:00 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] caesarean sections
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Hi Allen,

Thanks for this reference.  Note, however, that the lead author's name appears truncated.  He is Horace J. Poleman, of the Library of Congress, author of the benchmark Union List of Printed indic Texts and Translations in American Libraries (1935).

Best,

Rosane

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On 10/31/18 9:06 PM, Allen Thrasher via INDOLOGY wrote:
There is an article "Aspects of caesarian section in India" By Horace J. Pole and and Philip Q. Roche in JAOS, Vol. 59, p. 17ff.  I cannot access it from home so can't give a summary.

Allen

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On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:26, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY
<indology at list.indology.info><mailto:indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
Dear list members,

I ask on behalf of a friend of mine who works in the history of medicine and has little knowledge of South Asian medical history: can anyone share references to pre-modern (ideally pre-second millennium CE) descriptions of caesarean sections in South Asian literature?

I'd be very grateful for any pointers...

Many thanks in advance!

Robert
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From veerankp at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:22:31 2018
From: veerankp at gmail.com (Veeranarayana Pandurangi)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 12:52:31 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dating of the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad
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Fine. More we dig more we get. Greater Magadha is far more interesting
going by review. I will try for book. Otherwise I need to be sent a pdf.
Thanks for all.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018, 01:44 Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info wrote:

> Since I am not at present in a position to consult recent literature on
> the date of the B?had?ra?yaka Upani?ad, I may superfluously draw attention
> to the discussion of the date of the Y?j?avalkya-K???a of that Upani?ad
> in my *Greater Magadha* (Brill 2007; Motilal Banarsidass 2013). I there
> present arguments to think that the grammarian "K?ty?yana knew this text
> [the YK] as an independent, recently composed work, as did Pata?jali some
> time after him". The creation of the B?had?ra?yaka Upani?ad as a whole, by
> bringing its three portions together, might have taken place a number of
> generations after Pata?jali. Pata?jali can be dated to the second half of
> the second century BCE.
> Johannes Bronkhorst
>
> On 31 Oct 2018, at 19:21, Lindquist, Steven via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> You can find some of my writings on the Upani?ads on academia.edu (
> https://smu.academia.edu/StevenLindquist), though I haven?t dealt
> specifically with the dating of the B?had.
>
> My best,
>
> Steven
>
>
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>
>
> *From: *INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Reply-To: *Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veerankp at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 8:03 AM
> *To: *Bradley Clough <bclough9377 at gmail.com>, Indology <
> indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] Dating of the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad
>
> there is a mention of Steven Lindquist's "lines of descent and dissent"
> published in "religions of south asia" 5. it is available in equinox
> website for a price.  Brian Black's "Rethinking the Upanishadic Vamshas" is
> also published in the same thing. I would be glad to read both. I hope you
> will help me.
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:21 AM Bradley Clough <bclough9377 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Veenanarayana,
>
> Please find attached the relevant chapters from Cohen's book on the
> Upanishads.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Brad
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:00 AM Bradley Clough <bclough9377 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sure, I?ll try my best to get those chapters scanned and emailed to you
> later today.
>
> Yours,
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:57 AM Veeranarayana Pandurangi <
> veerankp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear sir, very much thanks.
> I am afraid that I may not be able to soon (in a week, that is my time for
> it now) anywhere in India. Pl. Help me get the scanned images of these
> chapters if possible.
>
> On 21 Oct 2018 11:54 pm, "Bradley Clough via INDOLOGY" <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I would suggest consulting Signe Cohen?s edited volume (Routledge 2018)
> titled *The Upanisads: A Complete Guide*.  Chapters 2-4, all by Cohen, and
> Chapter 23, by Dermot Killingley, are particularly pertinent to this matter.
>
> Brad Clough
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From franco at uni-leipzig.de  Thu Nov  1 09:39:40 2018
From: franco at uni-leipzig.de (Eli Franco)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 10:39:40 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nazis, India
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Since Joydeep Bagchee mentions me as one of those who misunderstood  
his usage of the word "German", perhaps he should  have also mentioned  
what I said about this:

"Furthermore, the authors? arbitrary definition [of German Indology]  
is not innocent or candid. Suppose someone were to define Indian  
nationalists as persons who subscribe to a Fascist ideology, write a  
(partial and distortive) history of Indian fascism and present it as A  
History of Indian Nationalism. When a reviewer would object to this  
cheap manoeuvre, he/she would then protest: ?The reviewer has not read  
my book.  I have dealt with this problem and clearly admit that some  
Americans are also Indian nationalists and that there are Indian  
nationalists who are not Indian nationalists.? Precisely this is the  
tactics of the authors."

Best wishes,
Eli



Zitat von Joydeep via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>:

> Not again! We?ve gone over this ground already. Eli already raised these
> ?misunderstandings? of *The Nay Science *before. We comprehensively
> responded to him in ?Theses on Indology.? But if Jan wishes to have it all
> explained again, here we go. Jan raises the following objections:
>
>
>
> 1. That we did not define German by race or nation or language.
>
> 2. That we overlooked the commonality of German Indology with other
> countries.
>
> 3. That we made a subset of German Indology stand in for the whole.
>
> 4. That we critique Indology because we stand for tradition.
>
> 5. That we therefore stand outside a European tradition of critical inquiry.
>
> 6. And finally, that our work lacks the proper graces.
>
>
>
> The definition of German Indology in terms of allegiance to intellectual
> concerns and a methodological and institutional paradigm is wholly
> consistent within itself, and misunderstandings such as those voiced in
> points 2 and 3 only arise because scholars insist on the categories of
> nation, language, and ethnicity. Finally, we can continue to repeat tropes
> of ?European = critical,? ?Indian = traditional.? By now it is amply clear
> whose work is critical and who is desperately trying to protect traditional
> authority and privilege. Who is caricaturing whom here?
>
>
>
> In order not to belabor the discussion, I have appended a list of our
> writings where further clarifications to Jan?s comments can be found. If
> there are new objections, Vishwa and I will be happy to respond to them.
> But let?s not self-defeatingly keep proposing ethnic or national
> definitions of ?German? and stereotypes of ?the critical European? vs. ?the
> uncritical Indian.? It only confirms the point.
>
>
>
> On ?German Indology and National Socialism? see ?Jews and Hindus in
> Indology,? 24, n. 95, 26, n. 105, 27, n. 106, and 69, n. 199. On ?Andrew
> Nicholson? see ?The Real Threat to the Humanities Today,? 1?16. On ?J?rgen
> Hanneder? see ?5 in 10?Interview with Joydeep Bagchee? and ?Against
> Occidentalism: A Conversation with Alice Crary and Vishwa Adluri in *The
> Nay Science*.? On ?caricature? see ?Method and Racism in German Mah?bh?rata
> Studies,? 1?6. On ?voluminous publication? see ?Theses on Indology,? 9?10
> (on Bronkhorst), 10 (on Hanneder), and 11?14 (on Witzel). On ?the European
> critical method of textual study? see *Philology and Criticism*, 63?65, and
> 99?100 (on Bronkhorst), 45?157 (on Bigger), 169?314 (on Gr?nendahl), 269?70
> (on Slaje), 270?71 (on Hin?ber), 271?72 (on Fitzgerald), 272 (on Pollock),
> 320?36 (on Witzel), and 429?78 (on Brockington). On accepting ?any
> traditionally proposed interpretation [?] without much reflection? see
> ibid., 111?13 and 144?45 (on Austin), 21, 28?29, and 113?14 (on
> Fitzgerald), 270 (on Bronkhorst), 434?35 and 466, n. 118 (on Brockington),
> and the aforementioned pages in the Argument from Expertise again. See also
> ?Paradigm Lost,? 215?49 and 53?54 (on Jezic), 265, n. 12 (on Brockington),
> 282, n. 91 (on Witzel, Brockington, Malinar, and Szczurek), and 286, n. 104
> (on Jezic, Szczurek, and Fitzgerald). See also Adluri, comments on Philipp
> A. Maas, ?Negotiating Efficiencies,? parts 1?2 and final response. On ?a
> very precise methodic research strategy [?] which goes back to earlier
> stages of European philosophy [philology?] and critical reflection?
> see *Philology
> and Criticism*, 319?20, 323?24, and 339?40. On ?the art of ignoring? or
> ?methodic ignorance? see ?Jews and Hindus in Indology,? 66, n. 193 (on
> Stache-Rosen, Franco, Schechtelich, Gr?nendahl, and Slaje). See also *The
> Nay Science*, 426, n. 232 (on Slaje) and 444, n. 37 (on Steinkellner) and
> the OBO entry on German Indology (on Hanneder). See also *Philology and
> Criticism*, 432?33 and 435?49 (on Brockington?s ignorance of the concept of
> a Venn diagram). On ?pure philological and linguistic research? see
> ?Indology: The Origins of Racism in the Humanities? 7 (on F. Schlegel) and
> 8?14 and 17, n. 43 (on A. W. Schlegel). On ?the research paradigm of
> philological and linguistic research? see *Philology and Criticism*, 326,
> nn. 7?8 (on Gr?nendahl), 326, nn. 9 (on Pollock and Jamison), and 327?28,
> nn. 17?18 (on Witzel). See also Adluri, review of Pollock, et al.,  
> eds., *World
> Philology*, 908?10 and Adluri, review of Malinar, *The Bhagavadg?t?*,
> 102?105. On the ?negativity? of ?European critical methods? see *Philology
> and Criticism*, 93, n. 24 and 313, nn. 359?60. See also Bagchee?s
> forthcoming review of Rabault-Feuerhahn, *Archives of Origins *in the
> *International
> Journal of Hindu Studies*. On the ?close relations? of German Indology with
> ?European orientalism? see the OBO entry ?European Constructions of
> Hinduism.?
>
>
>
> (Except for ?European Constructions of Hinduism" all writings are available
> via Vishwa?s or my Academia page)
>
>
> Dr. Joydeep Bagchee
> Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen
> Academia.edu Homepage <https://fu-berlin.academia.edu/JoydeepBagchee>
>
> The Nay Science
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> Argument and Design
> <http://www.brill.com/products/book/argument-and-design-unity-mahabharata>
> Reading the Fifth Veda <http://www.brill.com/reading-fifth-veda>
> When the Goddess Was a Woman <http://www.brill.com/when-goddess-was-woman>
> Transcultural Encounters between Germany and India
> <http://www.routledge.com/books/details/9780415844697/>
> German Indology on OBO Hinduism
> <http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195399318/obo-9780195399318-0147.xml>
> ___________________
> What, then, is Philosophy?
> Philosophy is the supremely precious.
>
> Plotinus, Enneads I.III.5
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 4:58 PM Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Shyam Ranganathan,
>> This is a legitimate question, which merits an adequate response.
>> My "two cents":
>> You may already have looked at the bibliographical article ?German
>> Indology? by Joydeep Bagchee (JB) (Oxford Bibliographies online:
>> www.oxfordbibliographies.com under ?German Indology? or:
>>
>> www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195399318/obo-9780195399318-0147.xml
>> )
>> Since, as I pointed out elsewhere, ?Indology was more or less since its
>> beginnings, end 18th ? beginning 19th century, mainly ?European? in
>> character with intensive cooperations between French, British and German
>> specialists, and has thus not only been sharing Oriental dreams but also a
>> Nazi-nightmare,? the focus on ?German Indology? in JB?s article is itself
>> problematic, especially because the author justifies it by invoking ?a
>> distinct history and traditions? for German Indology, and ?unique concerns
>> that set it apart from other forms of research into India? (?German
>> Indology?, section ?Introduction?). Given this and other peculiar premises,
>> the article contains nevertheless useful bibliographic references and brief
>> evaluations (from the author?s point of view) of relevant publications,
>> especially ? for your subject ? in two sections of the article: ?National
>> Socialism? (topic: German Indology and National Socialism) and ?German
>> Responses to National Socialist Indology.? Another relevant section is
>> ?Orientalism Debate? which, in the view of the author (JB), as he expresses
>> it in his evaluation of Halbfass?s India and Europe (1988), really starts
>> with the publication of ?Pollock 1993? (see above). It is hence regrettable
>> but not entirely surprising that the collective volume Beyond Orientalism
>> (1997) is regarded by JB as a work which ?does not directly address the
>> orientalist debate; it is really an overview of Halbfass?s work as a
>> post-orientalist scholar.? In this section a reference is lacking to my
>> review of this work which discusses and demonstrates how the work and in
>> particular Halbfass?s dialogical contributions to it are indeed directly
>> relevant to the ?Orientalism Debate? (?Orientalism, its critique, and
>> beyond: review article of Beyond Orientalism, ed. by K. Preisendanz and E.
>> Franco, Amsterdam 1997? (15 [1998]: 16) IIAS-Newsletter : Newsletter of the
>> International Institute for Asian Studies (Leiden), no. 15. 1998 :
>> https://www.academia.edu/6169112). With regard to Halbfass?s unsurpassed
>> India and Europe (1988), the author (JB) thinks that it ?needs revision in
>> light of newer discoveries? but fails to point out that several currently
>> self-styled ?new discoveries? need, in fact, also revision in the light of
>> Halbfass?s monumental achievement in comparative philosophy which is
>> exceptionally well-founded both in ?Western? and in Indian philosophy.
>> I have in the meantime also updated my almost antique "conference report"
>> (of the 29th DOT of the DMG in Leipzig, 1995)
>> www.academia.edu/7378413
>> with two "Further Postscripts", the second of which containing a  
>> brief *compte
>> rendu* of VA&JB's *The Nay Science* in which I address two "key-problems"
>> that remain in this work, a heavy ?stone in the pond? of Indology and Asian
>> Studies, in spite of the large number of reviews and rejoinders that have
>> already appeared, and propose two "keys" to solve them.
>> With best regards,
>> Jan Houben
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 18:26, Shyam Ranganathan via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Forgive me if this question has an obvious answer that I don't know.
>>>
>>> I recall that in *India and Europe,* Halbfass discusses the development
>>> of ideas associated with National Socialism by those who took an interest
>>> in India. I'm wondering if there is anything classic on this topic. I'm
>>> trying to reference, in passing, the racist reception of India in Europe
>>> (the friendliness to "Arya" or "Swastika" for instance) where India was
>>> treated as a kind of European prehistory, and I'm not sure what to point
>>> to. I'm happy to point to Halbfass, though I was wondering if there was
>>> something specifically on this topic (a paper or book).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Shyam
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Shyam Ranganathan
>>>
>>> Department of Philosophy
>>>
>>> York Center for Asian Research
>>> York University, Toronto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> shyam-ranganathan.info  <http://shyam-ranganathan.info/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Hinduism: A Contemporary Philosophical Investigation
>>> <https://www.routledge.com/Hinduism-A-Contemporary-Philosophical-Investigation/Ranganathan/p/book/9781138909106>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *The Bloomsbury Research Handbook of Indian Ethics
>>> <http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/the-bloomsbury-research-handbook-of-indian-ethics-9781472587770/>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Pata?jali`s Yoga S?tras
>>> <http://penguin.co.in/book/classics/patanjalis-yoga-sutra/>* (Translation,
>>> Edition and Commentary)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Translating Evaluative Discourse: The Semantics of Thick and Thin
>>> Concepts <https://philpapers.org/rec/SHYTED>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Full List, Publications <https://philpapers.org/profile/22035>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Nov  1 12:50:28 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 05:50:28 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzemaBs+TLEmo0tTL671XKcb0i=8+qfi0yjjvDmfKwnxCg@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

?????? ?? ??: ????? ??????? ?? ?????: ?
??? ???? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ??: ???????
O Krishna, I tie my fickle mind to your feet. O Madhava, don?t run. Where
are you dragging my mind?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From alanus1216 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 14:37:15 2018
From: alanus1216 at yahoo.com (Allen Thrasher)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 14:37:15 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] caesarean sections
In-Reply-To: <31c4643a-95a8-9f1c-caa2-717e8893982a@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <1649499017.20525125.1541083035089@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Rosane,
Thanks for the correction, and my apologies.? I was sleepy.? I am of course intensely aware of Poleman, and a great regret of mine is that the files on his initial purchasing trip to Southern Asia for the Library of Congress, and the chronological file for his entire career there, were not preserv3rd.
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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Thu Nov  1 15:20:44 2018
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rocher, Rosane D)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 15:20:44 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] caesarean sections
In-Reply-To: <1649499017.20525125.1541083035089@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eb495484-6ce3-9d76-fa9b-c3499180688c@sas.upenn.edu>

Dear Allen,

Thanks.  I was sleepy as well.  His middle initial was I for Irvin, not J., as I wrote.  It is a shame that LC did not preserve his file.  I wish we knew more about him.  With his census of Sanskrit MSS and his Union List of Printed Books, he marks the beginning of an era in Indian studies in North America.  I never knew him, but his teacher, W. Norman Brown spoke of him.  Do you or anyone on the list know the date(s) of his retirement from LC and of his death?  I wish I had asked more questions back in the sixties...

Rosane

On 11/1/18 10:37 AM, Allen Thrasher wrote:
Dear Rosane,

Thanks for the correction, and my apologies.  I was sleepy.  I am of course intensely aware of Poleman, and a great regret of mine is that the files on his initial purchasing trip to Southern Asia for the Library of Congress, and the chronological file for his entire career there, were not preserv3rd.

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From hermantull at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 15:49:23 2018
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 11:49:23 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] caesarean sections
In-Reply-To: <eb495484-6ce3-9d76-fa9b-c3499180688c@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <CAFdBLNihBz7tMmVAyyaMzrNz++t_wSpEvbx=qfA+URZ+JcCm6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Rosane:

W. N. Brown's obituary appears here:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-asian-studies/article/horace-irvin-poleman-19051965/89EDACB107E699F92B379D1FF13C9CA8

There are a few sites that have similar information. From:

https://whowaswho-indology.info/4828/poleman-horace-irvin/

POLEMAN, Horace Irvin
 19. M?rz 2017 <https://whowaswho-indology.info/4828/poleman-horace-irvin/>

*POLEMAN, Horace I*rvin. Philadelphia 5.9.1905 ? Washington DC 8.11.1965.
U.S. Indologist. Librarian in Washington DC. Studies at University of
Pennsylvania: 1927 Phi Beta Kappa graduate, A.B. 1927, M.A. 1929 in
classical languages, Ph.D. 1933 in Indic Studies (under W. N. Brown). In
1928-29 teacher. In 1933-38 research Associate in American Council of
Learned Associate preparing the manuscript catalogue, in 1934-35 also
Instructor in Sanskrit and Research Fellow at University of Pennsylvania,
in 1937-38 Research fellow at Yale. From 1938 working in Congress Library:
1938-42 Special Consultant of Indic Studies, 1942-49 and again 1952-55 Head
of South Asia Section in the Oriental Division, 1955-65 A. W. Hummel?s
successor as the head of Oriental Division. In 1949-52 Cultural Officer at
American Embassy in New Delhi. Married 1939 with Jenny Elizabeth Falk, two
sons.

*Publications:* ?The Ritualistic Continuity of ?gveda X, 14-18?, *JAOS* 54,
1934, 276-281; with Ph. Q. Roche: ?Aspects of Caesarean Section in India?,
*JAOS* 59, 1939, 17-21

? *A Census of Indic MSS. in the United States and Canada.* 29+542 p.
A.O.S. 12. New Haven 1938.

? *The Preta Concept in Hindu Thought and Ritual.* 1945.

? *Bibliography from articles. Middle Eastern Studies.* 1948.

? *A Survey of Tibetan Xylographs and Manuscripts in Institutions and
Private Collections in the United States and Canada.* 38 p. 1961.

*Sources:* *JAOS* 85, 1965, 618; *Dir. Am. Sch.* 3rd ed. 1957; **Nat.
Cyclop.* 53, 19??, 202.



On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:21 AM Rocher, Rosane D via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Allen,
>
> Thanks.  I was sleepy as well.  His middle initial was I for Irvin, not
> J., as I wrote.  It is a shame that LC did not preserve his file.  I wish
> we knew more about him.  With his census of Sanskrit MSS and his Union List
> of Printed Books, he marks the beginning of an era in Indian studies in
> North America.  I never knew him, but his teacher, W. Norman Brown spoke of
> him.  Do you or anyone on the list know the date(s) of his retirement from
> LC and of his death?  I wish I had asked more questions back in the
> sixties...
>
> Rosane
> On 11/1/18 10:37 AM, Allen Thrasher wrote:
>
> Dear Rosane,
>
> Thanks for the correction, and my apologies.  I was sleepy.  I am of
> course intensely aware of Poleman, and a great regret of mine is that the
> files on his initial purchasing trip to Southern Asia for the Library of
> Congress, and the chronological file for his entire career there, were not
> preserv3rd.
>
> Allen
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Thu Nov  1 16:00:26 2018
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rocher, Rosane D)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 16:00:26 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] caesarean sections
In-Reply-To: <CAFdBLNihBz7tMmVAyyaMzrNz++t_wSpEvbx=qfA+URZ+JcCm6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <735ea28f-3383-85b0-82ab-7031b63ab12c@sas.upenn.edu>

Thanks for this info on Poleman, Herman.

Rosane

On 11/1/18 11:49 AM, Herman Tull wrote:
Rosane:

W. N. Brown's obituary appears here:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-asian-studies/article/horace-irvin-poleman-19051965/89EDACB107E699F92B379D1FF13C9CA8

There are a few sites that have similar information. From:

https://whowaswho-indology.info/4828/poleman-horace-irvin/

POLEMAN, Horace Irvin
 19. M?rz 2017<https://whowaswho-indology.info/4828/poleman-horace-irvin/>

POLEMAN, Horace Irvin. Philadelphia 5.9.1905 ? Washington DC 8.11.1965. U.S. Indologist. Librarian in Washington DC. Studies at University of Pennsylvania: 1927 Phi Beta Kappa graduate, A.B. 1927, M.A. 1929 in classical languages, Ph.D. 1933 in Indic Studies (under W. N. Brown). In 1928-29 teacher. In 1933-38 research Associate in American Council of Learned Associate preparing the manuscript catalogue, in 1934-35 also Instructor in Sanskrit and Research Fellow at University of Pennsylvania, in 1937-38 Research fellow at Yale. From 1938 working in Congress Library: 1938-42 Special Consultant of Indic Studies, 1942-49 and again 1952-55 Head of South Asia Section in the Oriental Division, 1955-65 A. W. Hummel?s successor as the head of Oriental Division. In 1949-52 Cultural Officer at American Embassy in New Delhi. Married 1939 with Jenny Elizabeth Falk, two sons.

Publications: ?The Ritualistic Continuity of ?gveda X, 14-18?, JAOS 54, 1934, 276-281; with Ph. Q. Roche: ?Aspects of Caesarean Section in India?, JAOS 59, 1939, 17-21

? A Census of Indic MSS. in the United States and Canada. 29+542 p. A.O.S. 12. New Haven 1938.

? The Preta Concept in Hindu Thought and Ritual. 1945.

? Bibliography from articles. Middle Eastern Studies. 1948.

? A Survey of Tibetan Xylographs and Manuscripts in Institutions and Private Collections in the United States and Canada. 38 p. 1961.

Sources: JAOS 85, 1965, 618; Dir. Am. Sch. 3rd ed. 1957; *Nat. Cyclop. 53, 19??, 202.



On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:21 AM Rocher, Rosane D via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear Allen,

Thanks.  I was sleepy as well.  His middle initial was I for Irvin, not J., as I wrote.  It is a shame that LC did not preserve his file.  I wish we knew more about him.  With his census of Sanskrit MSS and his Union List of Printed Books, he marks the beginning of an era in Indian studies in North America.  I never knew him, but his teacher, W. Norman Brown spoke of him.  Do you or anyone on the list know the date(s) of his retirement from LC and of his death?  I wish I had asked more questions back in the sixties...

Rosane

On 11/1/18 10:37 AM, Allen Thrasher wrote:
Dear Rosane,

Thanks for the correction, and my apologies.  I was sleepy.  I am of course intensely aware of Poleman, and a great regret of mine is that the files on his initial purchasing trip to Southern Asia for the Library of Congress, and the chronological file for his entire career there, were not preserv3rd.

Allen
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From jonathanloar1 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 20:18:53 2018
From: jonathanloar1 at gmail.com (Jonathan Loar)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 16:18:53 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Lecture at Lib of Congress: Richard Salomon and LC's Gandhara scroll (Thurs 11/15, 4pm)
Message-ID: <CAOzGMBAdfjOnoygRybxg_EHsK2qhwLhDxKSB=-BDfKOLJLQy2g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,


With apologies for cross-posting, I wanted to draw attention to a very
exciting lecture taking place on Thursday November 15 in the Asian Reading
Room of the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. Richard Salomon will
discuss LC?s Gandhara birch-bark scroll, which dates from around the
beginning of the Common Era. A translation of the scroll appears in Dr.
Salomon?s new publication, The Buddhist Literature of Ancient Gandhara (
https://lccn.loc.gov/2017026919).



If possible, please join us in the Asian Reading Room on Thurs Nov 15 at
4pm! And please feel free to spread the word to any groups, listservs, and
the like with folks who may be interested. I?ll attach the flyer here, and
it is also available from LC?s 4 Corners of the World blog:
http://blogs.loc.gov/international-collections/2018/10/4-corners-international-collections-program-calendar-10-19-2018/salomon-flyer-new-with-logo/.
If you cannot join us on Nov 15, we will record the lecture and release it
as a webcast about 5-6 weeks afterwards.



Kind regards,



Jonathan Loar

South Asia reference librarian

Asian Division, Library of Congress

jloa at loc.gov


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 20:49:41 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 14:49:41 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dating of the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad
In-Reply-To: <CAPnSTeiw792JWqqrDGh1J7v58qBrQ-1+OSPQpbh=Y=NuHsU3VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcxsNP89YyrjpzbdkXOei-_GnwbYT8ThCTznCVGrc3EtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bronkhorst's *Greater Magadha* book is published by Motilal Banarsidass in
Delhi and is not expensive.

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 01:23, Veeranarayana Pandurangi via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Fine. More we dig more we get. Greater Magadha is far more interesting
> going by review. I will try for book. Otherwise I need to be sent a pdf.
> Thanks for all.
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018, 01:44 Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info wrote:
>
>> Since I am not at present in a position to consult recent literature on
>> the date of the B?had?ra?yaka Upani?ad, I may superfluously draw attention
>> to the discussion of the date of the Y?j?avalkya-K???a of that Upani?ad
>> in my *Greater Magadha* (Brill 2007; Motilal Banarsidass 2013). I there
>> present arguments to think that the grammarian "K?ty?yana knew this text
>> [the YK] as an independent, recently composed work, as did Pata?jali some
>> time after him". The creation of the B?had?ra?yaka Upani?ad as a whole, by
>> bringing its three portions together, might have taken place a number of
>> generations after Pata?jali. Pata?jali can be dated to the second half of
>> the second century BCE.
>> Johannes Bronkhorst
>>
>> On 31 Oct 2018, at 19:21, Lindquist, Steven via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> You can find some of my writings on the Upani?ads on academia.edu (
>> https://smu.academia.edu/StevenLindquist), though I haven?t dealt
>> specifically with the dating of the B?had.
>>
>> My best,
>>
>> Steven
>>
>>
>> STEVEN E. LINDQUIST, PH.D.
>> ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, RELIGIOUS STUDIES
>> DIRECTOR, ASIAN STUDIES
>> ____________________
>>
>> Dedman College of Humanities and Sciences, SMU
>> PO Box 750202 | Dallas | TX | 75275-0202
>> Email: slindqui at smu.edu
>> Web:* http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui <http://faculty.smu.edu/slindqui>*
>>
>>
>> *From: *INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>> Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Reply-To: *Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veerankp at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 8:03 AM
>> *To: *Bradley Clough <bclough9377 at gmail.com>, Indology <
>> indology at list.indology.info>
>> *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] Dating of the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad
>>
>> there is a mention of Steven Lindquist's "lines of descent and dissent"
>> published in "religions of south asia" 5. it is available in equinox
>> website for a price.  Brian Black's "Rethinking the Upanishadic Vamshas" is
>> also published in the same thing. I would be glad to read both. I hope you
>> will help me.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:21 AM Bradley Clough <bclough9377 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Veenanarayana,
>>
>> Please find attached the relevant chapters from Cohen's book on the
>> Upanishads.
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>> Brad
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:00 AM Bradley Clough <bclough9377 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sure, I?ll try my best to get those chapters scanned and emailed to you
>> later today.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:57 AM Veeranarayana Pandurangi <
>> veerankp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear sir, very much thanks.
>> I am afraid that I may not be able to soon (in a week, that is my time
>> for it now) anywhere in India. Pl. Help me get the scanned images of these
>> chapters if possible.
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2018 11:54 pm, "Bradley Clough via INDOLOGY" <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> I would suggest consulting Signe Cohen?s edited volume (Routledge 2018)
>> titled *The Upanisads: A Complete Guide*.  Chapters 2-4, all by Cohen, and
>> Chapter 23, by Dermot Killingley, are particularly pertinent to this matter.
>>
>> Brad Clough
>> The University of Montana
>>
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>>
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>> Dean, Faculty of Vedantas
>> Karnakata Samskrita University,
>> Pampa Mahakavi Road,
>> Chamarajpet, Bengaluru.
>>
>>
>> ?? ??????????? ??????? ???????? ? ????????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????
>> ???????????????
>> ?????????????? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????? ??????
>> ???????? ??????????? (?.??.)
>>
>> http://www.ksu.ac.in
>> http://www.ksu.ac.in/en/dr-veeranarayana-n-k-pandurangi/
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!forum/bvparishat>
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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 01:11:54 2018
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 18 19:11:54 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] caesarean sections
In-Reply-To: <735ea28f-3383-85b0-82ab-7031b63ab12c@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <CAPAZeka_YpGAJ5t8H2m+7o1fs7+i=dy1uckZK8yxu2_RMfd1JA@mail.gmail.com>

Just for the record, A Union List of Printed Indic Texts and Translations
in American Libraries is by Murray B. Emeneau rather than by Horace I.
Poleman.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.


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From Palaniappa at aol.com  Fri Nov  2 05:28:18 2018
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 00:28:18 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
Message-ID: <79AE00DF-C586-4DCB-9ECD-9BAA4D0DBC07@aol.com>

On a plaque at the site of the statue of Sardar Patel, the name ?Statue of Unity? has been transliterated or translated into different languages as shown in the attachment. The terrible rendering in Tamil became widely ridiculed on the Web. Some wondered if it was a photoshopped joke. But BBC Tamil <https://www.bbc.com/tamil/india-46054914> has confirmed that it is true and shows a picture with attempted erasure of the Tamil version after the problem was brought to the attention of the authorities. The designer of the plaque was Larsen & Toubro. Can other language experts comment on the other versions on the plaque?

Thanks

Regards,
Palaniappan



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From prajnapti at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 06:05:39 2018
From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 02:05:39 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
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Dear Palaniappan,

The Chinese translates as ?statue of unity.?

????? tuanjie de diaoxiang = ?Statue of Unity?

Broken down:
?? tuanjie = to unite, unity, solidarity, united.
? de = possessive marker
?? diaoxiang = statue

Dan

> On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:28 AM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> On a plaque at the site of the statue of Sardar Patel, the name ?Statue of Unity? has been transliterated or translated into different languages as shown in the attachment. The terrible rendering in Tamil became widely ridiculed on the Web. Some wondered if it was a photoshopped joke. But BBC Tamil <https://www.bbc.com/tamil/india-46054914> has confirmed that it is true and shows a picture with attempted erasure of the Tamil version after the problem was brought to the attention of the authorities. The designer of the plaque was Larsen & Toubro. Can other language experts comment on the other versions on the plaque?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Regards,
> Palaniappan



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From racleach at googlemail.com  Fri Nov  2 08:01:13 2018
From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 08:01:13 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] caesarean sections
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Very many thanks to Allen Thrasher and to Rosane Rocher for providing this
information on the Poleman and Roche article on caesarian sections! It's
very helpful indeed.

Best wishes,

Robert

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:28 AM Rocher, Rosane D via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Hi Allen,
>
> Thanks for this reference.  Note, however, that the lead author's name
> appears truncated.  He is Horace J. Poleman*, *of the Library of
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>
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> There is an article "Aspects of caesarian section in India" By Horace J.
> Pole and and Philip Q. Roche in JAOS, Vol. 59, p. 17ff.  I cannot access it
> from home so can't give a summary.
>
> Allen
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> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:26, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> I ask on behalf of a friend of mine who works in the history of medicine
> and has little knowledge of South Asian medical history: can anyone share
> references to pre-modern (ideally pre-second millennium CE) descriptions of
> caesarean sections in South Asian literature?
>
> I'd be very grateful for any pointers...
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> Robert
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Fri Nov  2 08:32:19 2018
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 08:32:19 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Fw:__gang_zag_and_puru=E1=B9=A3a?=
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Please do not consider the matter "cleared up" without reference to the testimony of the Tibetan translators themselves.


Pudgala is entry no. 340 in the early 9th c. Madhyavyutpatti (i.e. the Sgra sbyor bam po gnyis pa). I reproduce here the entry as given in Ishikawa?s edition (The Toyo Bunko 1990) with Sanskrit in italics. Note that, because this is an edition of a Tibetan work, the conventions for Sanskrit are in a few cases imprecise ? I?ve copied them as given without bothering with the addition of ?sic!?:

pu?gala ni puna? punar gati?u liyata iti zhes bya ste / yang dang yang lha dang mi la sogs pa?i rgyud du skye zhing sbyor bas na yang sbyor zhes kyang bya / p?ryate galati caiva pu?gala zhes kyang bya ste / skye nas dar gyi bar du ni gang / dar yol nas shi ba?i bar du ni zag pa la yang bya ste / tshig ?di gnyis kar yang drang du rung gis kyang sngan chad ming du btags te grags pa bzhin du bzhag nas gang zag ces btags /

For the benefit of those who do not read Tibetan, here is an off-the-cuff rendition:

"pu?gala is defined: puna? punar gati?u liyata iti. Because one is born and is joined repeatedly to existence as a god, human, etc., it is called 're-joining' [perhaps for punarbhava]. It is also explained:  p?ryate galati caiva pu?gala. From birth to maturation one grows (lit. "fills") and from maturation to death runs down (lit. "leaks, oozes"). The term may be explained in either way, but because the designation made earlier is well-known, it is left as is and gang zag is the [accepted] designation."


This is interesting in part as it suggests that gang zag  (?grows and runs down?) was in current usage prior to the work of the translation committee responsible for the Madhyavyutpatti, but it does not clarify whether it had been a coinage of earlier translators or a Tibetan convention that had arisen otherwise.


The late Michael Hahn may have had the above in mind when he wrote his remark cited by Prof. Steiner, but he did not enter into it in detail as he was concerned in that article to mention it as an analogy for the type of compound we find in gtsug lag.


Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Mark McClish via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 4:00:54 PM
To: Heike Oberlin via INDOLOGY
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] gang zag and puru?a

Thanks to Chris Haskett and Roland Steiner for clearing this matter up. I?ve passed the information along to my colleague.

Best,
Mark McClish

> On Oct 30, 2018, at 3:10 AM, Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>
> In his article
>
> "A propos the Term gtsug lag" (first published in: Tibetan Studies. Proceedings of the 7th Seminar of the International Association for Tibetan Studies, Graz 1995, Vol. 1, ed. by Helmut Krasser, Michael Thorsten Much, Ernst Steinkellner, Helmut Tauscher, Wien 1997 {?sterreichische Akademie der Wissenschaften, Philosophisch-historische Klasse, Denkschriften, 256. Band, pp. 347-354 = Michael Hahn: Schl?ssel zum Lehrbuch der klassischen tibetischen Schriftsprache und Beitr?ge zur tibetischen Wortkunde [Miscellanea etymologica tibetica I-VI], Marburg 2003 [Indica et Tibetica. 10a], pp. 131-143),
>
> Michael Hahn gives the following explanation (Hahn 1997, p. 352 = Hahn 2003, p. 140):
>
> "ga? zag, rendering pudgala 'individual being': literally '(that which is first) completed and then decaying'"
>
> Obviously, ga? zag is an attempted etymological translation pf pudgala/pu?gala (p?r, "to fill, fulfill", ga? ba "full" + gal, "to drop; to vanish, disappear", zag pa = gzag pa > 'dzag pa "to drop, drip, trickle; to flow out").
>
>
> Best,
> Roland Steiner
>
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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Fri Nov  2 12:34:53 2018
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rocher, Rosane D)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 12:34:53 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] caesarean sections
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Thank you for correcting my mistake.  My notes mixed up Emeneau's Union List, published as volume 7 of the American Oriental Series, with its review by Poleman in the 55.4 issue of the Journal of the American Oriental Society, both in 1935.  An interesting point in Poleman's review is that he issued a general call for cessation of individual and inconsistent cataloguing in separate libraries and for "rigid conformity" in cataloguing across libraries.

Rosane Rocher

On 11/1/18 9:11 PM, David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY wrote:
Just for the record, A Union List of Printed Indic Texts and Translations in American Libraries is by Murray B. Emeneau rather than by Horace I. Poleman.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.




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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Nov  2 15:51:25 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 08:51:25 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
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Continuing my Krishna verses:

??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???????? ????? ?
?????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????
O Madhava, you can go wherever you want in the world. My mind, tied to your
feet, will just come along with you.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
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From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 16:11:29 2018
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 21:41:29 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
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Dear Palaniappan,

The Perso-Arabic script transliteration in this photo is not even close to
being correct, reading "st?t ?f unat?".

Best,
TWW

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:59 AM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> On a plaque at the site of the statue of Sardar Patel, the name ?Statue of
> Unity? has been transliterated or translated into different languages as
> shown in the attachment. The terrible rendering in Tamil became widely
> ridiculed on the Web. Some wondered if it was a photoshopped joke. But BBC
> Tamil <https://www.bbc.com/tamil/india-46054914> has confirmed that it is
> true and shows a picture with attempted erasure of the Tamil version after
> the problem was brought to the attention of the authorities. The designer
> of the plaque was Larsen & Toubro. Can other language experts comment on
> the other versions on the plaque?
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards,
> Palaniappan
>
> [image: Inline image]
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From uskokov at uchicago.edu  Fri Nov  2 17:07:00 2018
From: uskokov at uchicago.edu (Aleksandar Uskokov)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 13:07:00 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
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Dear Palaniappan,

The Russian is laughable even for someone who is, like me, not fluent. It
is just the English written in Cyrillic script.

Best regards
Aleksandar

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:12 PM Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Palaniappan,
>
> The Perso-Arabic script transliteration in this photo is not even close to
> being correct, reading "st?t ?f unat?".
>
> Best,
> TWW
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:59 AM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> On a plaque at the site of the statue of Sardar Patel, the name ?Statue
>> of Unity? has been transliterated or translated into different languages as
>> shown in the attachment. The terrible rendering in Tamil became widely
>> ridiculed on the Web. Some wondered if it was a photoshopped joke. But BBC
>> Tamil <https://www.bbc.com/tamil/india-46054914> has confirmed that it
>> is true and shows a picture with attempted erasure of the Tamil version
>> after the problem was brought to the attention of the authorities. The
>> designer of the plaque was Larsen & Toubro. Can other language experts
>> comment on the other versions on the plaque?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards,
>> Palaniappan
>>
>> [image: Inline image]
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From prajnapti at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 17:53:51 2018
From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 13:53:51 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
In-Reply-To: <CAHRgzy2zWV0T_rst9Tx=FiSj1qpE9tGL5o4Q74v0wPPEfMcWBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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It is curious that the Spanish, French and Chinese offer translations of the title, while the Russian, both arabic-persian script attempts (with slight differences), and the devanagari offer transcriptions of the English title ? privileging the English, which is also graphically lifted above the rest, as if the other languages were incapable of expressing the idea ?statue of unity.? How British.

Dan

> On Nov 2, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Palaniappan,
> 
> The Perso-Arabic script transliteration in this photo is not even close to being correct, reading "st?t ?f unat?".
> 
> Best,
> TWW
> 
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:59 AM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> On a plaque at the site of the statue of Sardar Patel, the name ?Statue of Unity? has been transliterated or translated into different languages as shown in the attachment. The terrible rendering in Tamil became widely ridiculed on the Web. Some wondered if it was a photoshopped joke. But BBC Tamil <https://www.bbc.com/tamil/india-46054914> has confirmed that it is true and shows a picture with attempted erasure of the Tamil version after the problem was brought to the attention of the authorities. The designer of the plaque was Larsen & Toubro. Can other language experts comment on the other versions on the plaque?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Regards,
> Palaniappan
> 
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From rhododaktylos at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 18:52:05 2018
From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 19:52:05 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
In-Reply-To: <C6C5D119-5E38-4AE6-A300-D3BF5B87288A@gmail.com>
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At least in Hindi, it seems common to just transliterate the sounds of
English words into nagari (I hope the attached photo makes it through), and
all sorts of things intended to be international get English names. Maybe
the makers of the sign simply assumed that other languages did the same
thing?

Antonia

On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 19:41, Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> It is curious that the Spanish, French and Chinese offer translations of
> the title, while the Russian, both arabic-persian script attempts (with
> slight differences), and the devanagari offer transcriptions of the English
> title ? privileging the English, which is also graphically lifted above the
> rest, as if the other languages were incapable of expressing the idea
> ?statue of unity.? How British.
>
> Dan
>
> On Nov 2, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Palaniappan,
>
> The Perso-Arabic script transliteration in this photo is not even close to
> being correct, reading "st?t ?f unat?".
>
> Best,
> TWW
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:59 AM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> On a plaque at the site of the statue of Sardar Patel, the name ?Statue
>> of Unity? has been transliterated or translated into different languages as
>> shown in the attachment. The terrible rendering in Tamil became widely
>> ridiculed on the Web. Some wondered if it was a photoshopped joke. But BBC
>> Tamil <https://www.bbc.com/tamil/india-46054914> has confirmed that it
>> is true and shows a picture with attempted erasure of the Tamil version
>> after the problem was brought to the attention of the authorities. The
>> designer of the plaque was Larsen & Toubro. Can other language experts
>> comment on the other versions on the plaque?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards,
>> Palaniappan
>>
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From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 19:36:30 2018
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 15:36:30 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
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The Bengali version, ektaa muurti, is also a translation.  

Elliot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> It is curious that the Spanish, French and Chinese offer translations of the title, while the Russian, both arabic-persian script attempts (with slight differences), and the devanagari offer transcriptions of the English title ? privileging the English, which is also graphically lifted above the rest, as if the other languages were incapable of expressing the idea ?statue of unity.? How British.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Palaniappan,
>> 
>> The Perso-Arabic script transliteration in this photo is not even close to being correct, reading "st?t ?f unat?".
>> 
>> Best,
>> TWW
>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:59 AM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> On a plaque at the site of the statue of Sardar Patel, the name ?Statue of Unity? has been transliterated or translated into different languages as shown in the attachment. The terrible rendering in Tamil became widely ridiculed on the Web. Some wondered if it was a photoshopped joke. But BBC Tamil has confirmed that it is true and shows a picture with attempted erasure of the Tamil version after the problem was brought to the attention of the authorities. The designer of the plaque was Larsen & Toubro. Can other language experts comment on the other versions on the plaque?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Palaniappan
>>> 
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From prestcs at millsaps.edu  Fri Nov  2 19:51:00 2018
From: prestcs at millsaps.edu (Preston, Charles)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 19:51:00 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
In-Reply-To: <CAEjEOsB7vKFOjxFFMg83GsBo_9+jZ3KguhtrupqT2aUtctMWFA@mail.gmail.com>
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Meanwhile, Patel in an address to Congress on independent India: ?Its leaders would neither use a foreign language nor rule from a remote place 7,000 feet above sea level.?

Also Patel at the beginning of a speech on unity:  ?You want me to talk to you in English.  I shall obey your command; but take it from me that it will not be long before you yourselves will have to speak in our national language.  If you do not do that, you will drag the country backward.?

That speech goes on to condemn the RSS: https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/.

Oh, the irony!

-Charles

Charles S. Preston
Millsaps College


On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

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From rsalomon at uw.edu  Fri Nov  2 20:50:31 2018
From: rsalomon at uw.edu (Richard G. Salomon)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 13:50:31 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
In-Reply-To: <4DA88239-C248-4282-B0E0-B0FF87B2F498@millsaps.edu>
Message-ID: <CA+bmU3Z30r=67aBUQ8W01MjDsysJ1D46XezvBuKDQw4E6GCUuA@mail.gmail.com>

Well, to start with, the "Russian" is merely the English transcribed into
the Cyrillic alphabet -- as are the Hindi, Gujarati, and (I think) the
Urdu, but not the Bangla ("ekataa muurti"), French, and Spanish. Hard to
see the logic.

The selection of languages seems to have been made on the basis of some
list of the most widely spoken languages in the world/in India.

Rich Salomon

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:52 PM Preston, Charles via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Meanwhile, Patel in an address to Congress on independent India: ?Its
> leaders would neither use a foreign language nor rule from a remote place
> 7,000 feet above sea level.?
>
> Also Patel at the beginning of a speech on unity:  ?You want me to talk to
> you in English.  I shall obey your command; but take it from me that it
> will not be long before you yourselves will have to speak in our national
> language.  If you do not do that, you will drag the country backward.?
>
> That speech goes on to condemn the RSS:
> https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/.
>
>
> Oh, the irony!
>
> -Charles
>
> Charles S. Preston
> Millsaps College
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> hope
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From sellmers at gmx.de  Fri Nov  2 21:18:34 2018
From: sellmers at gmx.de (Sven Sellmer)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 22:18:34 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
In-Reply-To: <CA+bmU3Z30r=67aBUQ8W01MjDsysJ1D46XezvBuKDQw4E6GCUuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB499947-E27B-469F-AFAB-831FFC1D61F3@gmx.de>

It is also quite interesting, I think, that there is no Sanskrit version. One gets the impression that the person responsible for the plate did not give too much thought to it.
Best wishes,
Sven

> Am 02.11.2018 um 21:50 schrieb Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>:
> 
> Well, to start with, the "Russian" is merely the English transcribed into the Cyrillic alphabet -- as are the Hindi, Gujarati, and (I think) the Urdu, but not the Bangla ("ekataa muurti"), French, and Spanish. Hard to see the logic.
> 
> The selection of languages seems to have been made on the basis of some list of the most widely spoken languages in the world/in India.
> 
> Rich Salomon
> 
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:52 PM Preston, Charles via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Meanwhile, Patel in an address to Congress on independent India: ?Its leaders would neither use a foreign language nor rule from a remote place 7,000 feet above sea level.? 
> 
> Also Patel at the beginning of a speech on unity:  ?You want me to talk to you in English.  I shall obey your command; but take it from me that it will not be long before you yourselves will have to speak in our national language.  If you do not do that, you will drag the country backward.?  
> 
> That speech goes on to condemn the RSS: https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/ <https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/>.  
> 
> Oh, the irony!
> 
> -Charles
> 
> Charles S. Preston
> Millsaps College
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> hope
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Palaniappa at aol.com  Fri Nov  2 22:12:41 2018
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 17:12:41 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
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The following article <https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/fact-check-name-board-with-wrong-translations-of-statue-of-unity-is-not-fake-news/articleshow/66475323.cms> states, "It appears that the translation errors were caused as those in charge of putting up the signage decided to use transliteration tools available online instead of taking assistance from natives."

Here is the Google transliteration tool for Tamil.
https://www.google.com/intl/ta/inputtools/try/ <https://www.google.com/intl/ta/inputtools/try/>

If you type 'statue of unity', you get ???????????? ????? ????????. Clearly, this is what they have done.

If they had used the Google Translation tool, they would have obtained ??????? ???? (O??umai cilai). If they had asked a native speaker, it would have been ????????? ????.

They have used transliteration tool for languages available in the transliteration tool. For other languages, they seem to have used translation tool. I do not know why they gave primacy to the transliteration tool.

Many thanks to all those who commented on the different language versions.

Regards,
Palaniappan

> On Nov 2, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Sven Sellmer via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> It is also quite interesting, I think, that there is no Sanskrit version. One gets the impression that the person responsible for the plate did not give too much thought to it.
> Best wishes,
> Sven
> 
>> Am 02.11.2018 um 21:50 schrieb Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>:
>> 
>> Well, to start with, the "Russian" is merely the English transcribed into the Cyrillic alphabet -- as are the Hindi, Gujarati, and (I think) the Urdu, but not the Bangla ("ekataa muurti"), French, and Spanish. Hard to see the logic.
>> 
>> The selection of languages seems to have been made on the basis of some list of the most widely spoken languages in the world/in India.
>> 
>> Rich Salomon
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:52 PM Preston, Charles via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> Meanwhile, Patel in an address to Congress on independent India: ?Its leaders would neither use a foreign language nor rule from a remote place 7,000 feet above sea level.? 
>> 
>> Also Patel at the beginning of a speech on unity:  ?You want me to talk to you in English.  I shall obey your command; but take it from me that it will not be long before you yourselves will have to speak in our national language.  If you do not do that, you will drag the country backward.?  
>> 
>> That speech goes on to condemn the RSS: https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/ <https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/>.  
>> 
>> Oh, the irony!
>> 
>> -Charles
>> 
>> Charles S. Preston
>> Millsaps College
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hope
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From andra.kleb at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 23:28:10 2018
From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (andra.kleb at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 18 08:28:10 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
In-Reply-To: <CAEjEOsB7vKFOjxFFMg83GsBo_9+jZ3KguhtrupqT2aUtctMWFA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Palaniappan and all,

just to be sure, the Russian ?transliteration? is really hilarious. Unlike the Hindi one, it is not phonetic but simply renders individual letters and that in a very funny way too. ??? for ?y? at the end made me wonder first if it was Mongolian or smth.

best,
Andrey
On 3. Nov 2018, 07:29 +0900, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY , wrote:
> At least in Hindi, it seems common to just transliterate the sounds of English words into nagari (I hope the attached photo makes it through), and all sorts of things intended to be international get English names. Maybe the makers of the sign simply assumed that other languages did the same thing?
>
> Antonia
>
> > On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 19:41, Dan Lusthaus via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> > > It is curious that the Spanish, French and Chinese offer translations of the title, while the Russian, both arabic-persian script attempts (with slight differences), and the devanagari offer transcriptions of the English title ? privileging the English, which is also graphically lifted above the rest, as if the other languages were incapable of expressing the idea ?statue of unity.? How British.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > > On Nov 2, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Palaniappan,
> > > >
> > > > The Perso-Arabic script transliteration in this photo is not even close to being correct, reading "st?t ?f unat?".
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > TWW
> > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:59 AM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> > > > > > On a plaque at the site of the statue of Sardar Patel, the name ?Statue of Unity? has been transliterated or translated into different languages as shown in the attachment. The terrible rendering in Tamil became widely ridiculed on the Web. Some wondered if it was a photoshopped joke. But?BBC Tamil?has confirmed that it is true and shows a picture with attempted erasure of the Tamil version after the problem was brought to the attention of the authorities. The designer of the plaque was Larsen & Toubro. Can other language experts comment on the other versions on the plaque?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Palaniappan
> > > > > >
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From Palaniappa at aol.com  Sat Nov  3 00:32:47 2018
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 18 19:32:47 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
In-Reply-To: <2E6EDEB3-377B-424F-AEBC-47EF2C783477@aol.com>
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Since among the Indian languages, Bengali version alone is translated, I wonder if the person who worked on this could be a Bengali. As a Bengali, he could realize the problem with transliteration. So he could have chosen to use translation for that version. 

Regards,
Palaniappan

> On Nov 2, 2018, at 5:12 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> The following article <https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/fact-check-name-board-with-wrong-translations-of-statue-of-unity-is-not-fake-news/articleshow/66475323.cms> states, "It appears that the translation errors were caused as those in charge of putting up the signage decided to use transliteration tools available online instead of taking assistance from natives."
> 
> Here is the Google transliteration tool for Tamil.
> https://www.google.com/intl/ta/inputtools/try/ <https://www.google.com/intl/ta/inputtools/try/>
> 
> If you type 'statue of unity', you get ???????????? ????? ????????. Clearly, this is what they have done.
> 
> If they had used the Google Translation tool, they would have obtained ??????? ???? (O??umai cilai). If they had asked a native speaker, it would have been ????????? ????.
> 
> They have used transliteration tool for languages available in the transliteration tool. For other languages, they seem to have used translation tool. I do not know why they gave primacy to the transliteration tool.
> 
> Many thanks to all those who commented on the different language versions.
> 
> Regards,
> Palaniappan
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Sven Sellmer via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> It is also quite interesting, I think, that there is no Sanskrit version. One gets the impression that the person responsible for the plate did not give too much thought to it.
>> Best wishes,
>> Sven
>> 
>>> Am 02.11.2018 um 21:50 schrieb Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>:
>>> 
>>> Well, to start with, the "Russian" is merely the English transcribed into the Cyrillic alphabet -- as are the Hindi, Gujarati, and (I think) the Urdu, but not the Bangla ("ekataa muurti"), French, and Spanish. Hard to see the logic.
>>> 
>>> The selection of languages seems to have been made on the basis of some list of the most widely spoken languages in the world/in India.
>>> 
>>> Rich Salomon
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:52 PM Preston, Charles via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> Meanwhile, Patel in an address to Congress on independent India: ?Its leaders would neither use a foreign language nor rule from a remote place 7,000 feet above sea level.? 
>>> 
>>> Also Patel at the beginning of a speech on unity:  ?You want me to talk to you in English.  I shall obey your command; but take it from me that it will not be long before you yourselves will have to speak in our national language.  If you do not do that, you will drag the country backward.?  
>>> 
>>> That speech goes on to condemn the RSS: https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/ <https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/>.  
>>> 
>>> Oh, the irony!
>>> 
>>> -Charles
>>> 
>>> Charles S. Preston
>>> Millsaps College
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hope
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From prajnapti at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 05:22:53 2018
From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 18 01:22:53 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language use at the site of the Statue of Unity
In-Reply-To: <2E6EDEB3-377B-424F-AEBC-47EF2C783477@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A7989745-E476-414C-8E11-2769A054F888@gmail.com>

Google translator seems to be the source of the Chinese as well. It ?translates? ?statue of unity? into ?????, which is exactly what is on the plaque. The Spanish and French also are translated exactly as found on the plaque.
Dan


> On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> The following article <https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/fact-check-name-board-with-wrong-translations-of-statue-of-unity-is-not-fake-news/articleshow/66475323.cms> states, "It appears that the translation errors were caused as those in charge of putting up the signage decided to use transliteration tools available online instead of taking assistance from natives."
> 
> Here is the Google transliteration tool for Tamil.
> https://www.google.com/intl/ta/inputtools/try/ <https://www.google.com/intl/ta/inputtools/try/>
> 
> If you type 'statue of unity', you get ???????????? ????? ????????. Clearly, this is what they have done.
> 
> If they had used the Google Translation tool, they would have obtained ??????? ???? (O??umai cilai). If they had asked a native speaker, it would have been ????????? ????.
> 
> They have used transliteration tool for languages available in the transliteration tool. For other languages, they seem to have used translation tool. I do not know why they gave primacy to the transliteration tool.
> 
> Many thanks to all those who commented on the different language versions.
> 
> Regards,
> Palaniappan
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Sven Sellmer via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> It is also quite interesting, I think, that there is no Sanskrit version. One gets the impression that the person responsible for the plate did not give too much thought to it.
>> Best wishes,
>> Sven
>> 
>>> Am 02.11.2018 um 21:50 schrieb Richard G. Salomon via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>:
>>> 
>>> Well, to start with, the "Russian" is merely the English transcribed into the Cyrillic alphabet -- as are the Hindi, Gujarati, and (I think) the Urdu, but not the Bangla ("ekataa muurti"), French, and Spanish. Hard to see the logic.
>>> 
>>> The selection of languages seems to have been made on the basis of some list of the most widely spoken languages in the world/in India.
>>> 
>>> Rich Salomon
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:52 PM Preston, Charles via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>> Meanwhile, Patel in an address to Congress on independent India: ?Its leaders would neither use a foreign language nor rule from a remote place 7,000 feet above sea level.? 
>>> 
>>> Also Patel at the beginning of a speech on unity:  ?You want me to talk to you in English.  I shall obey your command; but take it from me that it will not be long before you yourselves will have to speak in our national language.  If you do not do that, you will drag the country backward.?  
>>> 
>>> That speech goes on to condemn the RSS: https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/ <https://penguin.co.in/thepenguindigest/selected-speeches-and-writings-of-vallabhbhai-patel-an-excerpt/>.  
>>> 
>>> Oh, the irony!
>>> 
>>> -Charles
>>> 
>>> Charles S. Preston
>>> Millsaps College
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hope
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Sat Nov  3 16:02:51 2018
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 18 17:02:51 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dalip Kaur Tiwana
Message-ID: <CALNcvFvkiQrNDcRuT-t5kUOKTxnxo3SQDkF6ceA+RjeDGvyK5A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

Dalip Kaur Tiwana's  "Within without":

I am looking - so far unsuccessfully - for the translation of the poem from
the original Punjabi into English. Is there any?

Regards,

Artur Karp (ret.)
Chair of South-Asian Studies
University of Warsaw
Poland

PS. Would anyone want to read my - so far unpublished - translation of the
poem into Polish?

Artur


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Nov  4 18:34:31 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 18 10:34:31 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdrTBkPm--uDoQcfczvjeh03BJ9YnJ8aM9vN09GL431Jg@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

??? ?? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ?
??????? ??????????? ????? ????? ?????: ???????
O Mind, don?t run. Don?t run. Where are you running? Madhava who is
everywhere is right next to you.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 18:12:13 2018
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 18 18:12:13 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhitari Pillar
In-Reply-To: <F11F7F62-5280-4479-956F-ED6097F005AA@yahoo.co.uk>
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Dear Csaba,

You must be aware that the database produced by Michael Willis' project at <http://siddham.uk/object/OB00032> states the pillar to be 'in situ', and dates this information to 1983. As far as I understand the Siddham database, this information must be based on Agarwala 1983, who is not necessarily a reliable source on such issues. (I don't have the work at hand.) Has no-one in Michael Willis' team undertaken fieldwork at Bhitari?

The fact that you have to ask this question on this forum illustrates the very general problem confronted by epigraphists today, namely that previous generations or scholars and institutions in charge of inscriptions have on the whole shown very little interest in reliably recording the whereabouts of inscriptions, once 2-dimensional reproductions had been published.

If the pillar has been lost, it would not be the only instance of a massive inscribed pillar that appears to have vanished. For another example, and one that concerns a relatively recent discovery, see <http://hisoma.huma-num.fr/exist/apps/EIAD/works/EIAD0164.xml?&odd=teipublisher.odd>.

Warm greetings,

Arlo



________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Csaba Dezso via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 4:36 PM
To: Indology
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhitari Pillar

Dear Colleagues,
Does anyone happen to know where the Bhitari Pillar Inscription of Skandagupta is kept these days?
Many thanks for any info,
Csaba Dezs?




------
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Senior Lecturer
Department of Indian Studies
E?tv?s Lor?nd University
H-1088 Budapest
M?zeum krt. 6-8/A.
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From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Mon Nov  5 23:05:08 2018
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 18 23:05:08 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Visiting Professor in Social Sciences and/or Area Studies at Charles University in Prague
Message-ID: <20181106000646.df6234c77e1bc82acf3f61b8@ff.cuni.cz>

Dear Colleagues,

the Faculty of Arts, Charles University (Prague) invites applications for the position of a Visiting Professor in Social Sciences and/or Area Studies. I was assured by the vice-dean responsible for this offer that Indology fits well in it and applications from Indologists would be most welcomed, since the future of Indology in Prague is not quite sure at this moment and the presence of an international scholar might help to revive Indology studies at our faculty. 

The position is open in any area of social sciences and area studies at the relevant Departments of the Faculty. The applicant must be an internationally recognized scholar in his research area, and is expected to teach two 90-minute courses per week at advanced undergraduate (M.A.) level. The curriculum of the courses is proposed by the applicant and is part of the application. At least one of the courses should introduce topics related to recent research. All teaching will be in English, knowledge of the Czech language is not required. A teaching assistant for both courses will be provided by the Faculty.

The position is funded by the Czech Operational Programme Research, Development and Education, project no. CZ.02.2.69/0.0/0.0/16_015/0002362. The funding is available for one semester (5 months), starting on September 1st, 2019. The gross monthly salary is 84.000 CZK (approx. 3230 EUR).

The Faculty will provide assistance with locating housing and schooling for dependents (English language pre-school, elementary and secondary schools are available in Prague).

Electronic applications accompanied by curriculum vitae, list of publications, research and teaching statements, copy of the PhD diploma, and curricula of the proposed courses, should be sent to the Faculty of Arts, Charles University University (Marketa Krizova, Vice-Dean for International Relations, marketa.krizova at ff.cuni.cz). The aplication deadline is January 31, 2019. The review of candidates will begin immediately, and the successful candidate will be contacted by February 15, 2019.

https://www.ff.cuni.cz/2018/11/visiting-professor-social-sciences-and-or-area-studies/


With best regards,
Lubomir

-- 
Lubom?r Ondra?ka
Department of Philosophy & Religious Studies
Faculty of Arts, Charles University
Nam. J. Palacha 2, Praha 1, 116 38
CZECH REPUBLIC
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From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 23:57:53 2018
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 18 18:57:53 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhitari Pillar
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR0902MB1753598C26157331A83FB26AA5CA0@HE1PR0902MB1753.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3271DAA6-1D3D-4691-962E-647E9F499FC3@gmail.com>

Dear Csaba,

If you search in Google Maps for Bhitari Monuments and Historical Places, two of the eight photographs there, dated May and June 2018, show that the pillar was still ?in situ?.

Best wishes,

Elliot Stern
emstern1948 at gmail.com

> On 05 Nov  2018, at 13:12, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Csaba,
> 
> You must be aware that the database produced by Michael Willis' project at <http://siddham.uk/object/OB00032 <http://siddham.uk/object/OB00032>> states the pillar to be 'in situ', and dates this information to 1983. As far as I understand the Siddham database, this information must be based on Agarwala 1983, who is not necessarily a reliable source on such issues. (I don't have the work at hand.) Has no-one in Michael Willis' team undertaken fieldwork at Bhitari?
> 
> The fact that you have to ask this question on this forum illustrates the very general problem confronted by epigraphists today, namely that previous generations or scholars and institutions in charge of inscriptions have on the whole shown very little interest in reliably recording the whereabouts of inscriptions, once 2-dimensional reproductions had been published. 
> 
> If the pillar has been lost, it would not be the only instance of a massive inscribed pillar that appears to have vanished. For another example, and one that concerns a relatively recent discovery, see <http://hisoma.huma-num.fr/exist/apps/EIAD/works/EIAD0164.xml?&odd=teipublisher.odd <http://hisoma.huma-num.fr/exist/apps/EIAD/works/EIAD0164.xml?&odd=teipublisher.odd>>.
> 
> Warm greetings,
> 
> Arlo
> 
> 
> 
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Csaba Dezso via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 4:36 PM
> To: Indology
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhitari Pillar
>  
> Dear Colleagues,
> Does anyone happen to know where the Bhitari Pillar Inscription of Skandagupta is kept these days?
> Many thanks for any info,
> Csaba Dezs?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------
> Csaba Dezs?, PhD
> Senior Lecturer
> Department of Indian Studies
> E?tv?s Lor?nd University
> H-1088 Budapest
> M?zeum krt. 6-8/A.
> Hungary
> tel.: +36-1-4116500 / ext. 5368
> e-mail: dezso.csaba at btk.elte.hu <mailto:dezso.csaba at btk.elte.hu>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Nov  6 01:40:15 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 18 17:40:15 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd1U3mVWG9KTKkQC0hPxfmGRkKNw6LpcRLdpchngMisCA@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

??????? ??????? ?? ???????????????? ??? ?
??????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????????? ???????
I offer my obeisance to Krishna, the Delight of Vraja, who while being the
lord of all beings assumes the form of a child for the easy comprehension
of the young.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 05:14:00 2018
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 10:44:00 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] English translations of Chinese books
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eYOPaNe7JhdpDJUnUBmsin+NA-X992SyD-OAkmY2oZ3mA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear friends,

One of my friends has asked for help in locating and if possible in
getting  the English translations of a few Chinese books
. He says,

"There was a ancient Chinese historian called Zheng Qiao (1104-1162)
He wrote an ancient chinese reference book called "Tongzhi" and
another book called Lun Fanshu ( On Sanskrit Books)
In Tongzhi,I have learnt that Zheng Qiao has a few essays on sanskrit.
I am looking for English translations of these Chinese books. "

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Regards,

N


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director, Indic Academy of Sanskrit and Indological Studies.

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 05:49:31 2018
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (jhakgirish)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 11:19:31 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A query
Message-ID: <5be12b6e.1c69fb81.4c676.63e7@mx.google.com>


Dear colleaguesCould anyone kindly give me the link for the Crtical edition of the srimad Bhagavata? Purana with verse Index.Kindest regards,YoursGirish K.JhaRetd University ProfessorDept of SanskritPatna UniversityPatna( Residence: Kolkata- India)


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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  6 06:37:47 2018
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 06:37:47 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhitari Pillar
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Indeed, I just realized the same. Here is one link:


<https://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/amit/books/jayaswal-2001-royal-temples-of.html>


And here's a beautiful archival photo:


<http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/apac/photocoll/i/019pho000001003u00681000.html>


Best wishes,


Arlo


________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 11:57 PM
To: Indology Indology listserve
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Bhitari Pillar

Dear Csaba,

If you search in Google Maps for Bhitari Monuments and Historical Places, two of the eight photographs there, dated May and June 2018, show that the pillar was still ?in situ?.

Best wishes,

Elliot Stern
emstern1948 at gmail.com<mailto:emstern1948 at gmail.com>

On 05 Nov  2018, at 13:12, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear Csaba,

You must be aware that the database produced by Michael Willis' project at <http://siddham.uk/object/OB00032> states the pillar to be 'in situ', and dates this information to 1983. As far as I understand the Siddham database, this information must be based on Agarwala 1983, who is not necessarily a reliable source on such issues. (I don't have the work at hand.) Has no-one in Michael Willis' team undertaken fieldwork at Bhitari?

The fact that you have to ask this question on this forum illustrates the very general problem confronted by epigraphists today, namely that previous generations or scholars and institutions in charge of inscriptions have on the whole shown very little interest in reliably recording the whereabouts of inscriptions, once 2-dimensional reproductions had been published.

If the pillar has been lost, it would not be the only instance of a massive inscribed pillar that appears to have vanished. For another example, and one that concerns a relatively recent discovery, see <http://hisoma.huma-num.fr/exist/apps/EIAD/works/EIAD0164.xml?&odd=teipublisher.odd>.

Warm greetings,

Arlo



________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Csaba Dezso via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 4:36 PM
To: Indology
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhitari Pillar

Dear Colleagues,
Does anyone happen to know where the Bhitari Pillar Inscription of Skandagupta is kept these days?
Many thanks for any info,
Csaba Dezs?




------
Csaba Dezs?, PhD
Senior Lecturer
Department of Indian Studies
E?tv?s Lor?nd University
H-1088 Budapest
M?zeum krt. 6-8/A.
Hungary
tel.: +36-1-4116500 / ext. 5368
e-mail: dezso.csaba at btk.elte.hu<mailto:dezso.csaba at btk.elte.hu>



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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 14:44:50 2018
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 20:14:50 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A query
In-Reply-To: <5be12b6e.1c69fb81.4c676.63e7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAODNnZjYn0ZYyqR7Sx202fHaGr5XZ_eitfgtEvgbfXtqwOsKoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Available for purchase at L D Institute Ahamadabad Gujarat India

On Tue 6 Nov, 2018, 11:20 AM jhakgirish via INDOLOGY, <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> Dear colleagues
> Could anyone kindly give me the link for the Crtical edition of the srimad
> Bhagavata  Purana with verse Index.
> Kindest regards,
> Yours
> Girish K.Jha
> Retd University Professor
> Dept of Sanskrit
> Patna University
> Patna
> ( Residence: Kolkata- India)
>
>
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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 16:39:19 2018
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (jhakgirish)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 22:09:19 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A query
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Dear Krisnaprasad ji,I seek the pdf copy of it which can be downloaded for free.RegardsGirish K.Jha


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Available for purchase at L D Institute Ahamadabad Gujarat India
On Tue 6 Nov, 2018, 11:20 AM jhakgirish via INDOLOGY, <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear colleaguesCould anyone kindly give me the link for the Crtical edition of the srimad Bhagavata? Purana with verse Index.Kindest regards,YoursGirish K.JhaRetd University ProfessorDept of SanskritPatna UniversityPatna( Residence: Kolkata- India)


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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 16:40:04 2018
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 22:10:04 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A query
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Why not pay sir, just curious.

On Tue 6 Nov, 2018, 10:09 PM jhakgirish, <jhakgirish at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Krisnaprasad ji,
> I seek the pdf copy of it which can be downloaded for free.
> Regards
> Girish K.Jha
>
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> Available for purchase at L D Institute Ahamadabad Gujarat India
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>> Dear colleagues
>> Could anyone kindly give me the link for the Crtical edition of the
>> srimad Bhagavata  Purana with verse Index.
>> Kindest regards,
>> Yours
>> Girish K.Jha
>> Retd University Professor
>> Dept of Sanskrit
>> Patna University
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 16:53:04 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 09:53:04 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcqrwoLkoSa_FRG_SXWpvQvAMSXnsRK_RWUT6oKkrxFvg@mail.gmail.com>

Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There are
workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly *historical*
literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in
earlier Indian history?

With thanks,
Dominik

e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ


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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Tue Nov  6 17:07:09 2018
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 17:07:09 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
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Dear Dominik,

I recall reading somewhere that the sizes of bricks of the Indus civilization seem to have been standardized, in which case this is a very ancient industry in SA. In Bihar, it seems, the bricks of Nalanda and other viharas have been mined for centuries, and the use of brick in the Kathmandu valley extends to Licchavi times. So there must be some literature about this

It's time to do for SA what Needham sought to do for China .....

Best, Matthew

Matthew T. Kapstein
EPHE, Paris
The University of Chicago

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Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities

Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There are workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly historical literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in earlier Indian history?

With thanks,
Dominik

e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ


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From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Tue Nov  6 17:59:48 2018
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 17:59:48 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
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Dear Dominik,

for the 19th century, some information about the brick-making communities is scattered in various Statistical Accounts, District Gazetteers and similar publications, but I am not aware of any synthetic study (at least not for Bengal). Normally, Watt's Dictionary of the economic products of India tends to be useful, but not in this case.

I have found only one study among my files:

FOGELIN, Lars (2006) Brickmaking in Malapannagudi: Ethnoarchaeological Research and Archaeological Implications, 
in: John M. Fritz, Robert P. Brubaker and Teresa P. Raczek (eds.), Vijayanagara: Archaelogogical Exploration, 1990?2000, New Delhi: Manohar, pp. 577?586.

Best,
Lubomir



On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 09:53:04 -0700
Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
> mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There are
> workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly *historical*
> literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in
> earlier Indian history?
> 
> With thanks,
> Dominik
> 
> e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
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> ,
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> .
> 
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> 
> sas.ualberta.ca




From palaniappa at aol.com  Tue Nov  6 22:00:09 2018
From: palaniappa at aol.com (palaniappa at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 22:00:09 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
In-Reply-To: <1047915982.1990978.1541541609656.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1047915982.1990978.1541541609656@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Dominik,


?
A search of the Indology archives for ?potter? or ?brick? would give a number of posts, which may be of interest to you. Here is an example.?http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1997-October/103991.html


?
Interestingly,?recently there was a presentation entitled ?Pot Route? presented by R. Balakrishnan of Roja Muthaiah Research Library in Chennai. Here is the ?Pot Route? teaser video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBqJn5-i708).?Here is the ??Pot Route? full Presentation,?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93mqRKgoezU. One can see Balakrishnan?s posts in Indology in 1999 and 2000 as in?http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/1999-October/113373.html.?


?
Many of the ideas in the ?Pot Route? presentation were discussed in several threads in Indology. However, Balakrishnan does not acknowledge any of the posts. Discussing the potter sociology described in the Ca?kam corpus, he discusses Narrinai 200 mentioning potter of ancient wisdom at 1:00:54. The translation shown by Balakrishnan is actually Vaidehi Herbert?s but Balakrishnan does not credit her. See?https://learnsangamtamil.com/???????/).


?
Regards,

Palaniappan


?


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To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>; Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 11:07 am
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities

Dear Dominik,

I recall reading somewhere that the sizes of bricks of the Indus civilization seem to have been standardized, in which case this is a very ancient industry in SA. In Bihar, it seems, the bricks of Nalanda and other viharas have been mined for centuries, and the use of brick in the Kathmandu valley extends to Licchavi times. So there must be some literature about this

It's time to do for SA what Needham sought to do for China .....

Best, Matthew

Matthew T. Kapstein
EPHE, Paris
The University of Chicago
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:53:04 PM
To: Indology
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities?Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.? There are workers at these places, making bricks.? Is there a scholarlyhistorical literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in earlier Indian history?
With thanks,Dominik
e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ


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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 01:04:03 2018
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 10:04:03 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
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This ethnography of child labor and brick making might interest you
https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:64326

On Wed., 7 Nov. 2018, 1:54 am Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info wrote:

> Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
> mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There are
> workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly *historical*
> literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in
> earlier Indian history?
>
> With thanks,
> Dominik
>
> e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ
>
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 01:08:28 2018
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 10:08:28 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
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This ethno-archaeological study by Lars Fogelin might also be of interest

2006 Brickmaking in Malpannagudi: Ethnoarchaeological Research and
Archaeological Implications. In *Vijayanagara: Archaeological Exploration,
1990-2000*, edited by J. M. Fritz, R. Brubaker and T. Raczek, pp. 577-586.
Manohar Press, New Delhi.

On Wed., 7 Nov. 2018, 10:04 am patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com
wrote:

> This ethnography of child labor and brick making might interest you
> https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:64326
>
> On Wed., 7 Nov. 2018, 1:54 am Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info wrote:
>
>> Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
>> mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There are
>> workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly
>> *historical* literature about these communities and the practice of
>> brick-making in earlier Indian history?
>>
>> With thanks,
>> Dominik
>>
>> e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ
>>
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
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>>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Nov  7 01:22:46 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 17:22:46 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
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Hi Dominik,

     In Pune, there was a large colony of brick makers with lots of kilns
and piles of bricks in various stages of preparation at the foot of the
Parvati hill.  At some relatively recent time [probably two/three decades
ago], because of the growth of the residential areas, that entire colony
was moved somewhere else, and that land became occupied by new residential
buildings.  There must be extensive records in the administrative
departments of Pune City Corporation [???? ????????????].  I am sure the
brick-making business has not gone away, only that it was moved to a new
location.  Our Pune friends like Saroja Bhate and Shrikant Bahulkar may be
able to provide more current information.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 5:05 PM patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> This ethnography of child labor and brick making might interest you
> https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:64326
>
> On Wed., 7 Nov. 2018, 1:54 am Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info wrote:
>
>> Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
>> mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There are
>> workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly
>> *historical* literature about these communities and the practice of
>> brick-making in earlier Indian history?
>>
>> With thanks,
>> Dominik
>>
>> e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ
>>
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> sas.ualberta.ca
>>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 02:15:21 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 18 19:15:21 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR1101MB2211157EF2FD3AA9DD980DDAA1CB0@BN6PR1101MB2211.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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It's very tempting to look at today's brickmaking castes and make the leap
to Indus technology.  I've done it myself.  But then one must remind
oneself of the vast depth of time we're considering.  It seems impossible
that this craft could really be genetically connected with practices 4500
years ago.

That's why I'm asking about history, really, to see how far back the
current practices are documentable.

As for the Needham Project, O. P. Jaggi had a go at it.  Not that good, but
sometimes one is surprised.

Best,
Dominik

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,

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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 10:07, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
>
> I recall reading somewhere that the sizes of bricks of the Indus
> civilization seem to have been standardized, in which case this is a very
> ancient industry in SA. In Bihar, it seems, the bricks of Nalanda and other
> viharas have been mined for centuries, and the use of brick in the
> Kathmandu valley extends to Licchavi times. So there must be some
> literature about this
>
> It's time to do for SA what Needham sought to do for China .....
>
> Best, Matthew
>
> Matthew T. Kapstein
> EPHE, Paris
> The University of Chicago
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:53:04 PM
> *To:* Indology
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
>
> Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
> mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There are
> workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly *historical*
> literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in
> earlier Indian history?
>
> With thanks,
> Dominik
>
> e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ
>
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 14:37:47 +0530
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From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Wed Nov  7 10:19:03 2018
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 10:19:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
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To O. P. Jaggi's multi-volume work (mainly on medicine) we can add some books by Debiprasad Chattopadhyay. True, he was concerned more with science (and philosophy of science) than technology, but e.g. in his book History of Science and Technology in Ancient India (KLM 1986) there are several chapters devoted to bricks and brick-making.

Best,
Lubomir



On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:15:21 -0700
Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> It's very tempting to look at today's brickmaking castes and make the leap
> to Indus technology.  I've done it myself.  But then one must remind
> oneself of the vast depth of time we're considering.  It seems impossible
> that this craft could really be genetically connected with practices 4500
> years ago.
> 
> That's why I'm asking about history, really, to see how far back the
> current practices are documentable.
> 
> As for the Needham Project, O. P. Jaggi had a go at it.  Not that good, but
> sometimes one is surprised.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ,
> 
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
> 
> Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
> 
> South Asia at the U of A:
> 
> sas.ualberta.ca
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 10:07, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Dominik,
> >
> > I recall reading somewhere that the sizes of bricks of the Indus
> > civilization seem to have been standardized, in which case this is a very
> > ancient industry in SA. In Bihar, it seems, the bricks of Nalanda and other
> > viharas have been mined for centuries, and the use of brick in the
> > Kathmandu valley extends to Licchavi times. So there must be some
> > literature about this
> >
> > It's time to do for SA what Needham sought to do for China .....
> >
> > Best, Matthew
> >
> > Matthew T. Kapstein
> > EPHE, Paris
> > The University of Chicago
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> > Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:53:04 PM
> > *To:* Indology
> > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
> >
> > Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
> > mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There are
> > workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly *historical*
> > literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in
> > earlier Indian history?
> >
> > With thanks,
> > Dominik
> >
> > e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ
> >
> >
> > --
> > Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> > ,
> >
> > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> > ,
> >
> > Department of History and Classics
> > <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> > ,
> > University of Alberta, Canada
> > .
> >
> > South Asia at the U of A:
> >
> > sas.ualberta.ca
> >
> >





From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Nov  7 14:58:23 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 06:58:23 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfth4Ce7WE1Lg3Mnmf9k3OdfYUEvP3dmQDFeqya75txfw@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

??????? ??????????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?
????? ??????????? ??? ???? ?????? ???????
Stealing the clothes of the ladies of Vraja and the hearts of his friends,
he steals away the darkness in the mind of all people with his plays.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Nov  7 14:59:39 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 06:59:39 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
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Happy Deepavali to all.

Continuing my Krishna verses:

??????? ??????????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?
????? ??????????? ??? ???? ?????? ???????
Stealing the clothes of the ladies of Vraja and the hearts of his friends,
he steals away the darkness in the mind of all people with his plays.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]

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? l?occasion des c?l?brations du quatri?me centenaire de la fondation du Coll?ge de France (1530-1930), Sylvain L?vi, titulaire de la chaire de langue et litt?rature sanskrites d?livre, le 18 juin 1931, une le?on publique qui porte sur le premier titulaire de cette chaire, Antoine-L?onard de Ch?zy. Fond? sur l?analyse de ce texte, publi? dans un volume d?hommage au Coll?ge de France, et sur les archives in?dites de ces c?l?brations, ce livre interroge la contribution sp?cifique de Sylvain L?vi ? ces f?tes jubilaires. On montre que celui-ci rend hommage ? l?institution mais en contournant toute mythologie des fondements et des fondateurs. En s??cartant ainsi des formes attendues de l??loge, Sylvain L?vi nous invite ? r?fl?chir sur le caract?re novateur de l?introduction du sanskrit dans le haut enseignement et sur ce que sont les filiations savantes dans les ?tudes indiennes, en France, au XIXe si?cle.


Sommaire

Introduction

Sylvain L?vi ? Rep?res biographiques

Sylvain L?vi
Les origines d?une chaire. L?entr?e du sanscrit au Coll?ge de France

Antoine-L?onard de Ch?zy
Discours prononc? au Coll?ge royal de France ? l?ouverture du cours de langue et de litt?rature sanskrite

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Sylvain L?vi et l?entr?e du sanskrit au Coll?ge de France

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Subject: [INDOLOGY] New publication: "Writing for Eternity: A Survey of Epigraphy in Southeast Asia"
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This book provides a general survey of epigraphy in Southeast Asia. Epigraphy is an academic discipline for the scientific study of all kinds of inscriptions on durable media. Despite the fact that interest in inscriptional materials goes back more than two centuries in Southeast Asia, until now the field had never been the subject of a panorama, an introduction, or a general discussion. Thomas Stamford Raffles was the first in Southeast Asia, precisely in 1815, to emphasise the importance of inscriptions for linguistics, the study of religions and history in general. Until the middle of the second millennium ce, apart from a number of religious and literary texts, inscriptions in fact constituted unique local written sources providing detailed, accurate, and often well dated historical data for many aspects of ancient life in Southeast Asia. The concept underlining this volume is that of corpus, a set of documents brought together according to various criteria. In the field of epigraphy, these corpora are crucial tools informing multiple fields of analysis for historians. This volume gathers together eighteen contributions by renowned scholars of Southeast Asian epigraphy and history whose essays are focused on corpora of inscriptional materials written using Indian scripts and local variants, Chinese script, or Arabic script and local variants. Other corpora are discussed in the introduction to this volume, in order to try to provide the fullest possible overview.

Cet ouvrage fournit un aper?u g?n?ral de l??pigraphie en Asie du Sud-Est. L??pigraphie est une discipline acad?mique pour l??tude scientifique de toutes sortes d?inscriptions sur supports permanents. Bien que l?int?r?t pour les sources ?pigraphiques remonte ? plus de deux si?cles en Asie du Sud-Est, jusqu?? pr?sent, le champ n?avait jamais fait l?objet d?un panorama, d?une introduction ou d?une discussion g?n?rale. Thomas Stamford Raffles fut le premier en Asie du Sud-Est, pr?cis?ment en 1815, ? souligner l?importance des inscriptions pour la linguistique, l??tude des religions et l?histoire en g?n?ral. Jusqu?au milieu du second mill?naire ec, en dehors d?un certain nombre de textes religieux et litt?raires, les inscriptions constituent en fait les seules sources ?crites locales livrant des donn?es historiques d?taill?es, pr?cises et souvent bien dat?es sur de nombreux aspects de la vie ? ?poque ancienne en Asie du Sud-Est. Le concept ? la base de ce volume est celui de corpus, un ensemble de documents regroup?s selon diff?rents crit?res. Dans le domaine de l??pigraphie, ces corpus sont des outils essentiels permettant de documenter des champs d?analyse multiples pour les historiens. Ce volume rassemble dix-huit contributions par des sp?cialistes renomm?s en ?pigraphie et en histoire de l?Asie du Sud-Est, contributions focalis?es sur des corpus d?inscriptions ?crites en caract?res indiens et variantes locales, en caract?res chinois, ainsi qu?en caract?res arabes et variantes locales. D?autres corpus sont abord?s dans l?introduction ? ce volume, afin d?essayer de fournir une vue d?ensemble la plus compl?te possible.


Contents / Sommaire


Preface
Contents
Abbreviations
Introduction
Daniel PERRET


Corpora of Inscriptions in Indian Scripts and Local Variants

Myanmar Epigraphy ? Current State and Future Tasks
Tilman FRASCH

The Epigraphic Archive of Arakan/Rakhine State (Myanmar): A Survey
Kyaw Minn HTIN & Jacques P. LEIDER

Research on the Inscriptions in Laos: Current Situation and Perspectives
Michel LORRILLARD

Towards an Epigraphic Bibliography of Thailand
Peter SKILLING

An Introduction to the Northern Thai Stone Inscriptions Corpus
Marek BUCHMANN

The Mon Inscriptions of Thailand, Laos and Burma
Christian BAUER

The Corpus of Khmer Inscriptions: State of the Art, Methods and First Results
Dominique SOUTIF

Mapping the Sacred: Towards a Religious Geography of Ancient Cambodia Through a Toponymic Atlas of Cambodian Inscriptions
Julia ESTEVE

A Historical Survey of Epigraphy in Maritime Southeast Asia (Inscriptions Using Indian or
Indian-Derived Scripts)
Daniel PERRET

Watu S?ma in Java: Marker Stones as Boundaries of Privileged Domains
Titi Surti NASTITI

Notes on the Topography of Ancient Java: Identifying Four S?ma Territories from the Majapahit Period
Hadi SIDOMULYO

Building the Corpus of Indianised Inscriptions in Sumatra: The Pioneers (1818?1968)
Daniel PERRET

The Corpus of Inscriptions in the Old Malay Language
Arlo GRIFFITHS


Corpora of Inscriptions in Chinese Script

Chinese Epigraphic Studies in Southeast Asia ? An Overview
Claudine SALMON

Les sources ?pigraphiques du Vietnam?: m?thode et contenu
Philippe PAPIN

Corpora of Inscriptions in Arabic and Arabic-Derived Scripts

?pigraphie musulmane ancienne d?Asie du Sud-Est?: premiers r?sultats
Claude GUILLOT

Formation du syst?me ?pigraphique islamique dans le Sud-Est asiatique (XIVe-milieu du XVe si?cle)
Ludvik KALUS

Revisiting Sulu Relics: Islamic Epigraphy from Jolo, Philippines
Roderick ORLINA


References
Index
Abstracts
Authors



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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 16:30:20 2018
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (jhakgirish)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 22:00:20 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
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Dear Professor. Deshpande?????? ?????????????? ????????? ???? ??????????????????????? ???????? ? ?????????? ???????????????? ??????????????Girish K.Jha


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Date: 11/7/18  9:36 PM  (GMT+05:30) To: bvparishat at googlegroups.com, Indology <indology at list.indology.info>, e-shabda-charcha-peeth at googlegroups.com, Jayaram Sethuraman <sethu at stat.fsu.edu>, Ranjana Date <ranjanadate51 at gmail.com>, Indira Peterson <indira.p19 at gmail.com>, Antonia Ruppel <rhododaktylos at gmail.com> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses 
Happy Deepavali to all.
Continuing my Krishna verses:
??????? ??????????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????????? ??? ???? ?????? ???????Stealing the clothes of the ladies of Vraja and the hearts of his friends, he steals away the darkness in the mind of all people with his plays.
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From julia.shaw at ucl.ac.uk  Wed Nov  7 17:56:01 2018
From: julia.shaw at ucl.ac.uk (Shaw, Julia)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 17:56:01 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
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Standardised  brick size and type particular to specific periods figure prominently as dating tools  in  South Asian excavation reports (too many to collate here). For example, tables based on brick size are provided in G. Verardi's (2007) Excavations at Gotihawa and Pipri, Kapilabastu District, Nepal, Rome, IsIAO.


Further, more general  discussion:


T.N. Mishra, 1997

Ancient Indian bricks and Brick Remains, New Delhi: Harman


E.S.N. Reddy, 1998. Evolution of building technology: Early and Medieval in Andhradesa, 2 vols. New Delhi. Bharatiya Kala Praashan.


M. Pareek, 2002. Early Indian Residential architecture.


I'll try to look out some other references on continuities / discontinuities between Harappan / early-historic brick technology. There is also ethno-archaeological work on brick making communities, again which I'll need to look out.


Best wishes

Julia




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From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
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It's very tempting to look at today's brickmaking castes and make the leap
to Indus technology.  I've done it myself.  But then one must remind
oneself of the vast depth of time we're considering.  It seems impossible
that this craft could really be genetically connected with practices 4500
years ago.

That's why I'm asking about history, really, to see how far back the
current practices are documentable.

As for the Needham Project, O. P. Jaggi had a go at it.  Not that good, but
sometimes one is surprised.

Best,
Dominik

--
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,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

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From witzel at fas.harvard.edu  Wed Nov  7 22:21:38 2018
From: witzel at fas.harvard.edu (Witzel, Michael)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 22:21:38 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asia  Books
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Dear All,

recently there was a news item on this list that South Asia Books had shut down in July.

(They never told me though they distribute our HOS-OM books).  Does anybody know more?

A local colleague graciously drove by their location and here is the answer:

"I went by the address, and South Asia Books is completely gone. There is no longer a sign, and the store is closed and empty. ?

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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Wed Nov  7 22:46:47 2018
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rocher, Rosane D)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 22:46:47 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books
In-Reply-To: <CE117AA9-8AA2-4764-B78F-F4CDA06D4904@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <72ddb700-79fe-32f5-7173-1d1dfd29aee3@sas.upenn.edu>

South Asia Books had clearly been struggling ever since the death of its founder, the historian of Sikhism Jerry Barrier, in 2010.  I did not know that it had finally closed.  It is a great loss.  Jerry had a booth every year at the annual meeting of the Association for Asian Studies.  It was a spot where scholars of South Asia met and exchanged news in addition to buying books.

Rosane Rocher

On 11/7/18 5:21 PM, Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY wrote:
Dear All,

recently there was a news item on this list that South Asia Books had shut down in July.

(They never told me though they distribute our HOS-OM books).  Does anybody know more?

A local colleague graciously drove by their location and here is the answer:

"I went by the address, and South Asia Books is completely gone. There is no longer a sign, and the store is closed and empty. ?

A mystery.

Michael

==============
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Call<tel:5734740116>
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From hermantull at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 23:37:01 2018
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 18:37:01 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books
In-Reply-To: <CE117AA9-8AA2-4764-B78F-F4CDA06D4904@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <CAFdBLNhf+4g0EFcQUtGR-PLgrvE5qfbPRbcbkxw2rSUVLcY_sw@mail.gmail.com>

S. A. Books still has a presence on Amazon. I am pretty sure I purchased
from S. A. Books, ordered via Amazon, in the last year.  It's possible they
(whoever "they" may be now) have moved to an online only store.

https://www.amazon.com/sp?seller=A2SGBABDS7NN7W

Herman Tull

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:22 PM Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> recently there was a news item on this list that South Asia Books had shut
> down in July.
>
> (They never told me though they distribute our HOS-OM books).  Does
> anybody know more?
>
> A local colleague graciously drove by their location and here is the
> answer:
>
> *"I went by the address, and South Asia Books is completely gone. There is
> no longer a sign, and the store is closed and empty. ?*
>
> *A mystery.*
>
> *Michael*
>
> ==============
> FORMER LOCATION.
>
> Contact info:
> PHONE (573) 474-0116
> Call <5734740116>
> ADDRESS 2204 Nelwood Dr
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.whitepages.com_address_2204-2DNelwood-2DDr_Columbia-2DMO_1vNhY1KXpjKLJc1XZGHmoj&d=DwMF-g&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=-ValysUC7zYyLg_7fMJWz9r96ktdwWlLH4fMgv3QAuY&s=91nYrGgxMHan3IPudr_sPS_OdGL3xY-ifa6FOWuicSg&e=>Columbia
> MO 65202-2531
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.whitepages.com_address_2204-2DNelwood-2DDr_Columbia-2DMO_1vNhY1KXpjKLJc1XZGHmoj&d=DwMF-g&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=-ValysUC7zYyLg_7fMJWz9r96ktdwWlLH4fMgv3QAuY&s=91nYrGgxMHan3IPudr_sPS_OdGL3xY-ifa6FOWuicSg&e=>
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From antonio.jardim at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 23:49:00 2018
From: antonio.jardim at gmail.com (Antonio Ferreira-Jardim)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 18 09:49:00 +1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books
In-Reply-To: <CAFdBLNhf+4g0EFcQUtGR-PLgrvE5qfbPRbcbkxw2rSUVLcY_sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDOqfo_5FxEE4-Y5aFE=eBYb6PUfuq41gSOk00U_7o96BF6QA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes they still seem to be on Amazon. Amazon has unfortunately completely
blocked Australian customers so I needed to contact them directly to obtain
a copy of "Vedic Sakhas" - one of the volumes in the HOS - Opera Minora
series edited by Prof Witzel.

Numerous attempts to phone and email them has been fruitless so I will just
have to wait until I'm next in the States to try to get a copy! It's
disappointing when scholarly book distributors exclusively park their
business with Amazon.

Kind regards,
Antonio
Brisbane, Australia

On Thu., 8 Nov. 2018, 9:37 am Herman Tull via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info wrote:

> S. A. Books still has a presence on Amazon. I am pretty sure I purchased
> from S. A. Books, ordered via Amazon, in the last year.  It's possible they
> (whoever "they" may be now) have moved to an online only store.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/sp?seller=A2SGBABDS7NN7W
>
> Herman Tull
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:22 PM Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> recently there was a news item on this list that South Asia Books had
>> shut down in July.
>>
>> (They never told me though they distribute our HOS-OM books).  Does
>> anybody know more?
>>
>> A local colleague graciously drove by their location and here is the
>> answer:
>>
>> *"I went by the address, and South Asia Books is completely gone. There
>> is no longer a sign, and the store is closed and empty. ?*
>>
>> *A mystery.*
>>
>> *Michael*
>>
>> ==============
>> FORMER LOCATION.
>>
>> Contact info:
>> PHONE (573) 474-0116
>> Call <5734740116>
>> ADDRESS 2204 Nelwood Dr
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.whitepages.com_address_2204-2DNelwood-2DDr_Columbia-2DMO_1vNhY1KXpjKLJc1XZGHmoj&d=DwMF-g&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=-ValysUC7zYyLg_7fMJWz9r96ktdwWlLH4fMgv3QAuY&s=91nYrGgxMHan3IPudr_sPS_OdGL3xY-ifa6FOWuicSg&e=>Columbia
>> MO 65202-2531
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.whitepages.com_address_2204-2DNelwood-2DDr_Columbia-2DMO_1vNhY1KXpjKLJc1XZGHmoj&d=DwMF-g&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=-ValysUC7zYyLg_7fMJWz9r96ktdwWlLH4fMgv3QAuY&s=91nYrGgxMHan3IPudr_sPS_OdGL3xY-ifa6FOWuicSg&e=>
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On 8 Nov. 2018 9:37 am, "Herman Tull via INDOLOGY" <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

S. A. Books still has a presence on Amazon. I am pretty sure I purchased
from S. A. Books, ordered via Amazon, in the last year.  It's possible they
(whoever "they" may be now) have moved to an online only store.

https://www.amazon.com/sp?seller=A2SGBABDS7NN7W

Herman Tull

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:22 PM Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> recently there was a news item on this list that South Asia Books had shut
> down in July.
>
> (They never told me though they distribute our HOS-OM books).  Does
> anybody know more?
>
> A local colleague graciously drove by their location and here is the
> answer:
>
> *"I went by the address, and South Asia Books is completely gone. There is
> no longer a sign, and the store is closed and empty. ?*
>
> *A mystery.*
>
> *Michael*
>
> ==============
> FORMER LOCATION.
>
> Contact info:
> PHONE (573) 474-0116
> Call <5734740116>
> ADDRESS 2204 Nelwood Dr
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.whitepages.com_address_2204-2DNelwood-2DDr_Columbia-2DMO_1vNhY1KXpjKLJc1XZGHmoj&d=DwMF-g&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=-ValysUC7zYyLg_7fMJWz9r96ktdwWlLH4fMgv3QAuY&s=91nYrGgxMHan3IPudr_sPS_OdGL3xY-ifa6FOWuicSg&e=>Columbia
> MO 65202-2531
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.whitepages.com_address_2204-2DNelwood-2DDr_Columbia-2DMO_1vNhY1KXpjKLJc1XZGHmoj&d=DwMF-g&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=tFXzIbyKS2C0TpVqKsMrj46qwsAermBN5wzaDe51So0&m=-ValysUC7zYyLg_7fMJWz9r96ktdwWlLH4fMgv3QAuY&s=91nYrGgxMHan3IPudr_sPS_OdGL3xY-ifa6FOWuicSg&e=>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 23:56:19 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 16:56:19 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR01MB3945A2D896161EAC8AAA4764C4C40@HE1PR01MB3945.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cd9mijko4N5Q7pGF04ib6zFu6Um_NZnWTDDeyu8iw7Azg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Julia!  That's very helpful indeed.  It's a literature I'm
completely unfamiliar with.

Is there a general opinion amongst SA archaeologists about the continuity
or otherwise of contemporary rural brickmaking with medieval, ancient or
very ancient brickmaking?

Best,
Dominik




On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 10:56, Shaw, Julia via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Standardised  brick size and type particular to specific periods figure
> prominently as dating tools  in  South Asian excavation reports (too many
> to collate here). For example, tables based on brick size are provided in
> G. Verardi's (2007) Excavations at Gotihawa and Pipri, Kapilabastu
> District, Nepal, Rome, IsIAO.
>
>
> Further, more general  discussion:
>
>
> T.N. Mishra, 1997
>
> Ancient Indian bricks and Brick Remains, New Delhi: Harman
>
>
> E.S.N. Reddy, 1998. Evolution of building technology: Early and Medieval
> in Andhradesa, 2 vols. New Delhi. Bharatiya Kala Praashan.
>
>
> M. Pareek, 2002. Early Indian Residential architecture.
>
>
> I'll try to look out some other references on continuities /
> discontinuities between Harappan / early-historic brick technology. There
> is also ethno-archaeological work on brick making communities, again which
> I'll need to look out.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Julia
>
>
>
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From ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 01:14:36 2018
From: ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 17:14:36 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books
In-Reply-To: <CAGDOqfo_5FxEE4-Y5aFE=eBYb6PUfuq41gSOk00U_7o96BF6QA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DDB005C-12CB-4B62-8395-DEFFB18697BB@gmail.com>


As I recall, Jerry / Gerald Barrier (Dept. of History, Univ. of Missouri, Columbia, Missouri 65211) had circulated a notice before closing his book-selling business. He probably gave his entire unsold stock to Amazon. What one should check is whether there is any evidence of Amazon selling ?South Asia? books published after 2010, said to be the year of GB?s death. 

South Asia Books also acted as an agent of Motilal Banarsidass in the USA / North America and published a modest newsletter,

a.a.


> From: "Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books
> Date: November 7, 2018 at 2:21:38 PM PST
> To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> Reply-To: "Witzel, Michael" <witzel at fas.harvard.edu>
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> recently there was a news item on this list that South Asia Books had shut down in July.
> 
> (They never told me though they distribute our HOS-OM books).  Does anybody know more?
> 
> A local colleague graciously drove by their location and here is the answer:
> 
> "I went by the address, and South Asia Books is completely gone. There is no longer a sign, and the store is closed and empty. ?
> 
> A mystery.
> 
> Michael


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From antonio.jardim at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 01:19:17 2018
From: antonio.jardim at gmail.com (Antonio Ferreira-Jardim)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 18 11:19:17 +1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books
In-Reply-To: <5DDB005C-12CB-4B62-8395-DEFFB18697BB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDOqfrSKzpLKkbCP=4yZeWDyZyzbt3ApjAk_WOs6-T5GxWozw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes they had an operational website selling Indological books as recently
as January this year.

The most recent HOS-Opera Minora Volume ("Vedic Sakhas") was only published
last year.

Kind regards,
Antonio

On Thu., 8 Nov. 2018, 11:15 am Ashok Aklujkar via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info wrote:

>
> As I recall, Jerry / Gerald Barrier (Dept. of History, Univ. of Missouri,
> Columbia, Missouri 65211) had circulated a notice before closing his
> book-selling business. He probably gave his entire unsold stock to Amazon.
> What one should check is whether there is any evidence of Amazon
> selling ?South Asia? books published after 2010, said to be the year of
> GB?s death.
>
> South Asia Books also acted as an agent of Motilal Banarsidass in the USA
> / North America and published a modest newsletter,
>
> a.a.
>
>
> *From: *"Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject: **Re: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books*
> *Date: *November 7, 2018 at 2:21:38 PM PST
> *To: *Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Reply-To: *"Witzel, Michael" <witzel at fas.harvard.edu>
>
> Dear All,
>
> recently there was a news item on this list that South Asia Books had shut
> down in July.
>
> (They never told me though they distribute our HOS-OM books).  Does
> anybody know more?
>
> A local colleague graciously drove by their location and here is the
> answer:
>
> *"I went by the address, and South Asia Books is completely gone. There is
> no longer a sign, and the store is closed and empty. ?*
>
> *A mystery.*
>
> *Michael*
>
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From prajnapti at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 02:44:11 2018
From: prajnapti at gmail.com (Dan Lusthaus)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 18 21:44:11 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books
In-Reply-To: <CAGDOqfrSKzpLKkbCP=4yZeWDyZyzbt3ApjAk_WOs6-T5GxWozw@mail.gmail.com>
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South Asia Books was cutting back on displaying at conferences even while Jerry was still alive. He was having medical problems, and the price of shipping, booths, etc. were escalating, so not worth his time and effort. Also, when India raised the tariffs on books sold abroad, that severely cut into his profit margin, so that books that previously sold for a happily affordable $15 or less, suddenly could cost $60 or more. Jerry stopped coming to the Madison South Asia conference, etc., but after his death his successors were still coming to the AAR, but little else. The ?store? in Columbia, Missouri was basically their warehouse, with a counter up front. One could roam the high stacks seeking the books one wanted, or try to order them from India at the counter. If that is closed and abandoned, then the operation has been disbanded.

Their website no longer exists, which, along with the loss of the warehouse, seem to be the definitive signs.

It?s a shame. South Asia Books was also generous with discounts, especially for students.

Dan

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 8:19 PM, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Yes they had an operational website selling Indological books as recently as January this year. 
> 
> The most recent HOS-Opera Minora Volume ("Vedic Sakhas") was only published last year. 
> 
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
> 
> On Thu., 8 Nov. 2018, 11:15 am Ashok Aklujkar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> As I recall, Jerry / Gerald Barrier (Dept. of History, Univ. of Missouri, Columbia, Missouri 65211) had circulated a notice before closing his book-selling business. He probably gave his entire unsold stock to Amazon. What one should check is whether there is any evidence of Amazon selling ?South Asia? books published after 2010, said to be the year of GB?s death. 
> 
> South Asia Books also acted as an agent of Motilal Banarsidass in the USA / North America and published a modest newsletter,
> 
> a.a.
> 
> 
>> From: "Witzel, Michael via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books
>> Date: November 7, 2018 at 2:21:38 PM PST
>> To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>> Reply-To: "Witzel, Michael" <witzel at fas.harvard.edu <mailto:witzel at fas.harvard.edu>>
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> recently there was a news item on this list that South Asia Books had shut down in July.
>> 
>> (They never told me though they distribute our HOS-OM books).  Does anybody know more?
>> 
>> A local colleague graciously drove by their location and here is the answer:
>> 
>> "I went by the address, and South Asia Books is completely gone. There is no longer a sign, and the store is closed and empty. ?
>> 
>> A mystery.
>> 
>> Michael
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From aparpola at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 11:15:36 2018
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 18 13:15:36 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] polyandry in the Mahaabhaarata and among the Todas of the Nilgiris
Message-ID: <BA3B3337-01B5-44AC-9DF2-198265924AD4@gmail.com>

Today I received from Jan Houben a message, which begins:

Dear Asko, from your formulation I infer that you had intended this message to go to the list... but it came only to me. Do you perhaps have a scan of this article that appeared in the Amrtadhaaraa volume? I have many of your offprints in Leiden but don't have them with me here in Paris? 

It was indeed my intention to send the message also to Indology, so I do it now. Unfortunately I do not have a pdf of the paper, but would be grateful for it if somebody else has.  

With best wishes, Asko


On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 12:01, Asko Parpola <aparpola at gmail.com <mailto:aparpola at gmail.com>> wrote:

In the two refernces cited by Jan below, I suggest that polyandry was brought to India by Iranian speakers appearing as ?PaaNDavas? in the Mahaabhaarata. I cited Herodotus on the Iranian tribe of Massagetae. But the polyandry of the Toda tribe of the Nilagiris is further evidence for the Iranian origin of polyandry in India. Archaeological evidence suggests that a batch of  Iranian speaking horsemen - Sakas - came to the Nilagiris in the early centuries CE, while the phonology of the Toda language, which is radically different from related Dravidian languages can only be explained by assuming that it reflects a Dravidian language (Pre-Tamil) adopted by Iranian speakers. See
Parpola, Asko, 1984. The Todas of the Nilgiris:  Hypothesis of a twofold origin -- Pre-Tamil and Saka*. Pp. 319-336 in: Joshi, S.D., (ed.),  Am?tadh?r?: Professor R. N. Dandekar felicitation volume. Delhi: Ajanta Publications International. 

Best regards, Asko


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From julia.shaw at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Nov  8 11:23:42 2018
From: julia.shaw at ucl.ac.uk (Shaw, Julia)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 18 11:23:42 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cd9mijko4N5Q7pGF04ib6zFu6Um_NZnWTDDeyu8iw7Azg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <HE1PR01MB3945D5BA9BB07CC92D433EBFC4C50@HE1PR01MB3945.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Dear Dominik

Regarding the ever complicated question of  'continuity', Carla Sinopoli's (1991)  paper on ethnoarchaeology in South Asia makes for very useful reading.


https://www.jstor.org/stable/42928242?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents




Also a more recent paper by Ajay Pratap (2017)


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00438243.2017.1334584?journalCode=rwar20



In particular, there is an extensive literature on the ethnoarchaeology of pottery making communities and traditions in South Asia, and such discourse often touches upon brick making and other craft specialisations.


The following discussion of Carol Kramer's Pottery in Rajasthan: Ethnoarchaeology in Two Indian Cities.<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1560987405> Washington and London: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1997 discusses some  of the key works and issues in this respect, and includes a very good bibliography at the end.


https://networks.h-net.org/node/22055/reviews/22087/kolb-kramer-pottery-rajasthan-ethnoarchaeology-two-indian-cities



Best wishes

Julia





________________________________
From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
Sent: 07 November 2018 23:56
To: Shaw, Julia
Cc: Indology
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities

Thank you, Julia!  That's very helpful indeed.  It's a literature I'm completely unfamiliar with.

Is there a general opinion amongst SA archaeologists about the continuity or otherwise of contemporary rural brickmaking with medieval, ancient or very ancient brickmaking?

Best,
Dominik




On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 10:56, Shaw, Julia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Standardised  brick size and type particular to specific periods figure prominently as dating tools  in  South Asian excavation reports (too many to collate here). For example, tables based on brick size are provided in G. Verardi's (2007) Excavations at Gotihawa and Pipri, Kapilabastu District, Nepal, Rome, IsIAO.


Further, more general  discussion:


T.N. Mishra, 1997

Ancient Indian bricks and Brick Remains, New Delhi: Harman


E.S.N. Reddy, 1998. Evolution of building technology: Early and Medieval in Andhradesa, 2 vols. New Delhi. Bharatiya Kala Praashan.


M. Pareek, 2002. Early Indian Residential architecture.


I'll try to look out some other references on continuities / discontinuities between Harappan / early-historic brick technology. There is also ethno-archaeological work on brick making communities, again which I'll need to look out.


Best wishes

Julia




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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 14:30:14 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 18 07:30:14 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
In-Reply-To: <20181107112041.ce47ade5ddbe91ee00a2659f@ff.cuni.cz>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CfkkrMdPz2kRehk-E2qPK5P6eMGKUSdgQ5nGgxL0KAVzA@mail.gmail.com>

thanks, I'll look into Chattopadhyaya.  I've actually got the book(s) at
home.

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:19, Lubom?r Ondra?ka <ondracka at ff.cuni.cz> wrote:

> To O. P. Jaggi's multi-volume work (mainly on medicine) we can add some
> books by Debiprasad Chattopadhyay. True, he was concerned more with science
> (and philosophy of science) than technology, but e.g. in his book History
> of Science and Technology in Ancient India (KLM 1986) there are several
> chapters devoted to bricks and brick-making.
>
> Best,
> Lubomir
>
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:15:21 -0700
> Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> > It's very tempting to look at today's brickmaking castes and make the
> leap
> > to Indus technology.  I've done it myself.  But then one must remind
> > oneself of the vast depth of time we're considering.  It seems impossible
> > that this craft could really be genetically connected with practices 4500
> > years ago.
> >
> > That's why I'm asking about history, really, to see how far back the
> > current practices are documentable.
> >
> > As for the Needham Project, O. P. Jaggi had a go at it.  Not that good,
> but
> > sometimes one is surprised.
> >
> > Best,
> > Dominik
> >
> > --
> > Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk
> >
> > ,
> >
> > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> > ,
> >
> > Department of History and Classics <
> http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> > ,
> > University of Alberta, Canada
> > .
> >
> > South Asia at the U of A:
> >
> > sas.ualberta.ca
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 10:07, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Dominik,
> > >
> > > I recall reading somewhere that the sizes of bricks of the Indus
> > > civilization seem to have been standardized, in which case this is a
> very
> > > ancient industry in SA. In Bihar, it seems, the bricks of Nalanda and
> other
> > > viharas have been mined for centuries, and the use of brick in the
> > > Kathmandu valley extends to Licchavi times. So there must be some
> > > literature about this
> > >
> > > It's time to do for SA what Needham sought to do for China .....
> > >
> > > Best, Matthew
> > >
> > > Matthew T. Kapstein
> > > EPHE, Paris
> > > The University of Chicago
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> > > Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:53:04 PM
> > > *To:* Indology
> > > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
> > >
> > > Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
> > > mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There
> are
> > > workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly
> *historical*
> > > literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in
> > > earlier Indian history?
> > >
> > > With thanks,
> > > Dominik
> > >
> > > e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Professor Dominik Wujastyk <
> http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> > > ,
> > >
> > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> > > ,
> > >
> > > Department of History and Classics
> > > <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> > > ,
> > > University of Alberta, Canada
> > > .
> > >
> > > South Asia at the U of A:
> > >
> > > sas.ualberta.ca
> > >
> > >
>


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 14:32:04 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 18 07:32:04 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR01MB3945D5BA9BB07CC92D433EBFC4C50@HE1PR01MB3945.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdRBZjZZAR_ig2t78KaczmGgu5WVj8xCWovQqBii+c4+A@mail.gmail.com>

This is gold.  Thank you, Julia.

Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 04:23, Shaw, Julia <julia.shaw at ucl.ac.uk> wrote:

> Dear Dominik
>
> Regarding the ever complicated question of  'continuity', Carla Sinopoli's
> (1991)  paper on ethnoarchaeology in South Asia makes for very useful
> reading.
>
>
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/42928242?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>
>
>
> Also a more recent paper by Ajay Pratap (2017)
>
>
>
> https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00438243.2017.1334584?journalCode=rwar20
>
>
>
> In particular, there is an extensive literature on the ethnoarchaeology
> of pottery making communities and traditions in South Asia, and such
> discourse often touches upon brick making and other craft specialisations
> .
>
>
> The following discussion of Carol Kramer's *Pottery in Rajasthan:
> Ethnoarchaeology in Two Indian Cities.*
> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1560987405> Washington and
> London: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1997 discusses some  of the key
> works and issues in this respect, and includes a very good bibliography
> at the end.
>
>
>
> https://networks.h-net.org/node/22055/reviews/22087/kolb-kramer-pottery-rajasthan-ethnoarchaeology-two-indian-cities
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 07 November 2018 23:56
> *To:* Shaw, Julia
> *Cc:* Indology
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
>
> Thank you, Julia!  That's very helpful indeed.  It's a literature I'm
> completely unfamiliar with.
>
> Is there a general opinion amongst SA archaeologists about the continuity
> or otherwise of contemporary rural brickmaking with medieval, ancient or
> very ancient brickmaking?
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 10:56, Shaw, Julia via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Standardised  brick size and type particular to specific periods figure
> prominently as dating tools  in  South Asian excavation reports (too many
> to collate here). For example, tables based on brick size are provided in
> G. Verardi's (2007) Excavations at Gotihawa and Pipri, Kapilabastu
> District, Nepal, Rome, IsIAO.
>
>
> Further, more general  discussion:
>
>
> T.N. Mishra, 1997
>
> Ancient Indian bricks and Brick Remains, New Delhi: Harman
>
>
> E.S.N. Reddy, 1998. Evolution of building technology: Early and Medieval
> in Andhradesa, 2 vols. New Delhi. Bharatiya Kala Praashan.
>
>
> M. Pareek, 2002. Early Indian Residential architecture.
>
>
> I'll try to look out some other references on continuities /
> discontinuities between Harappan / early-historic brick technology. There
> is also ethno-archaeological work on brick making communities, again which
> I'll need to look out.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Julia
>
>
>
>


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Nov  8 15:26:11 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 18 07:26:11 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzeMmwzKUzY+9oNagH=769dJ2bO_29pr3AFD+wfrVC6rsw@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

?????? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?
????????? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ???????: ???????
O Lord, what sort of play of yours is this that enchants us? Controlled by
your strings we are made to dance, and so we dance on the stage of the
world.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From aparpola at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 15:57:38 2018
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 18 17:57:38 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CfkkrMdPz2kRehk-E2qPK5P6eMGKUSdgQ5nGgxL0KAVzA@mail.gmail.com>
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I have come across one case of incredible continuity from the Indus Civilization to the present day. On a mature Harappan potsherd from Amri in southern Indus Valley one can see two images of crocodiles who instead of hind legs have a 90 degrees sideways projecting extension reaching the ?ground?. I found an explanation to this puzzling picture from the crocodile cult of fifty tribal villages in southern Gujarat ? area once inhabited by Harappan people: wooden images of crocodiles installed on wooden posts are worshipped in sanctuaries that are now becoming neglected but are documented by Eberhard Fischer and Haku Shah in a booklet entitled ?Mogra Dev, tribal crocodile gods? (Ahmedabad 1971). 
See pp. 25-29 in:
Parpola, Asko, 2011. Crocodile in the Indus civilization and later South Asian traditions. Pp. 1-57 in: Toshiki Osada & Hitoshi Endo (eds), Linguistics, Archaeology and the Human Past: Occasional Paper 12, Kyoto: Indus Project, Research Institute for Humanity and Nature. Reprinted 2012 as ?Current Studies on the Indus Civilization, vol. IX. New Delhi: Manohar.
Very briefly with two images (the Amri pot & Fischer?s photo of Devlimadi sanctuary) pp. 184-6 in:
Parpola, Asko, 2015. The Roots of Hinduism, New York: OUP.

Best regards, Asko

> On 8 Nov 2018, at 16.30, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> thanks, I'll look into Chattopadhyaya.  I've actually got the book(s) at home.
> 
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>,
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity,
> Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>,
> University of Alberta, Canada.
> South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca <http://sas.ualberta.ca/>
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:19, Lubom?r Ondra?ka <ondracka at ff.cuni.cz <mailto:ondracka at ff.cuni.cz>> wrote:
> To O. P. Jaggi's multi-volume work (mainly on medicine) we can add some books by Debiprasad Chattopadhyay. True, he was concerned more with science (and philosophy of science) than technology, but e.g. in his book History of Science and Technology in Ancient India (KLM 1986) there are several chapters devoted to bricks and brick-making.
> 
> Best,
> Lubomir
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:15:21 -0700
> Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> > It's very tempting to look at today's brickmaking castes and make the leap
> > to Indus technology.  I've done it myself.  But then one must remind
> > oneself of the vast depth of time we're considering.  It seems impossible
> > that this craft could really be genetically connected with practices 4500
> > years ago.
> > 
> > That's why I'm asking about history, really, to see how far back the
> > current practices are documentable.
> > 
> > As for the Needham Project, O. P. Jaggi had a go at it.  Not that good, but
> > sometimes one is surprised.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Dominik
> > 
> > --
> > Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>>
> > ,
> > 
> > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> > ,
> > 
> > Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/ <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>>
> > ,
> > University of Alberta, Canada
> > .
> > 
> > South Asia at the U of A:
> > 
> > sas.ualberta.ca <http://sas.ualberta.ca/>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 10:07, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu <mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>> wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Dominik,
> > >
> > > I recall reading somewhere that the sizes of bricks of the Indus
> > > civilization seem to have been standardized, in which case this is a very
> > > ancient industry in SA. In Bihar, it seems, the bricks of Nalanda and other
> > > viharas have been mined for centuries, and the use of brick in the
> > > Kathmandu valley extends to Licchavi times. So there must be some
> > > literature about this
> > >
> > > It's time to do for SA what Needham sought to do for China .....
> > >
> > > Best, Matthew
> > >
> > > Matthew T. Kapstein
> > > EPHE, Paris
> > > The University of Chicago
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of
> > > Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:53:04 PM
> > > *To:* Indology
> > > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
> > >
> > > Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
> > > mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There are
> > > workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly *historical*
> > > literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in
> > > earlier Indian history?
> > >
> > > With thanks,
> > > Dominik
> > >
> > > e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk>
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>>
> > > ,
> > >
> > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> > > ,
> > >
> > > Department of History and Classics
> > > <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/ <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>>
> > > ,
> > > University of Alberta, Canada
> > > .
> > >
> > > South Asia at the U of A:
> > >
> > > sas.ualberta.ca <http://sas.ualberta.ca/>
> > >
> > >
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From palaniappa at aol.com  Fri Nov  9 02:52:39 2018
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 18 20:52:39 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] polyandry in the Mahaabhaarata and among the Todas of the Nilgiris
In-Reply-To: <BA3B3337-01B5-44AC-9DF2-198265924AD4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5318621A-19E5-406F-8EE9-E3A51FABD72D@aol.com>

I have not read Parpola?s article on the Todas. But polyandry in South India is not confined to the Todas alone. Fraternal polyandry has been practiced by some castes in Kerala too. This issue was the focus of a 1993 Malayalam movie entitled ?Ve?kalam?. Interestingly, the movie discusses the example of Draupad? too. For more details, see https://malayalaulagam.wordpress.com/2016/12/22/venkalam/.

 

Why should the custom of polyandry have been borrowed from outside India?

 

Regards,

Palaniappan

 

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To: Asko Parpola <aparpola at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 5:16 AM
To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] polyandry in the Mahaabhaarata and among the Todas of the Nilgiris

 

Today I received from Jan Houben a message, which begins:

 

Dear Asko, from your formulation I infer that you had intended this message to go to the list... but it came only to me. Do you perhaps have a scan of this article that appeared in the Amrtadhaaraa volume? I have many of your offprints in Leiden but don't have them with me here in Paris? 

 

It was indeed my intention to send the message also to Indology, so I do it now. Unfortunately I do not have a pdf of the paper, but would be grateful for it if somebody else has.  

 

With best wishes, Asko

 

 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 12:01, Asko Parpola <aparpola at gmail.com> wrote:

 

In the two refernces cited by Jan below, I suggest that polyandry was brought to India by Iranian speakers appearing as ?PaaNDavas? in the Mahaabhaarata. I cited Herodotus on the Iranian tribe of Massagetae. But the polyandry of the Toda tribe of the Nilagiris is further evidence for the Iranian origin of polyandry in India. Archaeological evidence suggests that a batch of  Iranian speaking horsemen - Sakas - came to the Nilagiris in the early centuries CE, while the phonology of the Toda language, which is radically different from related Dravidian languages can only be explained by assuming that it reflects a Dravidian language (Pre-Tamil) adopted by Iranian speakers. See

Parpola, Asko, 1984. The Todas of the Nilgiris:  Hypothesis of a twofold origin -- Pre-Tamil and Saka*. Pp. 319-336 in: Joshi, S.D., (ed.),  Am?tadh?r?: Professor R. N. Dandekar felicitation volume. Delhi: Ajanta Publications International. 

 

Best regards, Asko

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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 05:26:59 2018
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 18 10:56:59 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
In-Reply-To: <48EB12A7-C386-44F6-97B4-972BF2A6D99C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eZymMC8d-j4a4S_oPYSHp4CaYLkQ=ajreLuyQsZkM3HOA@mail.gmail.com>

The author Prof. Emani Siva Nagi Reddy in

E.S.N. Reddy, 1998. Evolution of building technology: Early and Medieval in
Andhradesa, 2 vols. New Delhi. Bharatiya Kala Praashan.

mentioned by Prof. Julia Shaw

is my friend.

He knows the conitinuities of the brick-making communities, the present
castes engaged in it etc.,

I contacted him. He promised to share his info.

I shall update soon.

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 1:24 AM Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> I have come across one case of incredible continuity from the Indus
> Civilization to the present day. On a mature Harappan potsherd from Amri in
> southern Indus Valley one can see two images of crocodiles who instead of
> hind legs have a 90 degrees sideways projecting extension reaching the
> ?ground?. I found an explanation to this puzzling picture from the
> crocodile cult of fifty tribal villages in southern Gujarat ? area once
> inhabited by Harappan people: wooden images of crocodiles installed on
> wooden posts are worshipped in sanctuaries that are now becoming neglected
> but are documented by Eberhard Fischer and Haku Shah in a booklet entitled
> ?Mogra Dev, tribal crocodile gods? (Ahmedabad 1971).
> See pp. 25-29 in:
> Parpola, Asko, 2011. Crocodile in the Indus civilization and later South
> Asian traditions. Pp. 1-57 in: Toshiki Osada & Hitoshi Endo (eds),
> Linguistics, Archaeology and the Human Past: Occasional Paper 12, Kyoto:
> Indus Project, Research Institute for Humanity and Nature. Reprinted 2012
> as ?Current Studies on the Indus Civilization, vol. IX. New Delhi: Manohar.
> Very briefly with two images (the Amri pot & Fischer?s photo of Devlimadi
> sanctuary) pp. 184-6 in:
> Parpola, Asko, 2015. The Roots of Hinduism, New York: OUP.
>
> Best regards, Asko
>
> On 8 Nov 2018, at 16.30, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> thanks, I'll look into Chattopadhyaya.  I've actually got the book(s) at
> home.
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:19, Lubom?r Ondra?ka <ondracka at ff.cuni.cz> wrote:
>
>> To O. P. Jaggi's multi-volume work (mainly on medicine) we can add some
>> books by Debiprasad Chattopadhyay. True, he was concerned more with science
>> (and philosophy of science) than technology, but e.g. in his book History
>> of Science and Technology in Ancient India (KLM 1986) there are several
>> chapters devoted to bricks and brick-making.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lubomir
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:15:21 -0700
>> Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> > It's very tempting to look at today's brickmaking castes and make the
>> leap
>> > to Indus technology.  I've done it myself.  But then one must remind
>> > oneself of the vast depth of time we're considering.  It seems
>> impossible
>> > that this craft could really be genetically connected with practices
>> 4500
>> > years ago.
>> >
>> > That's why I'm asking about history, really, to see how far back the
>> > current practices are documentable.
>> >
>> > As for the Needham Project, O. P. Jaggi had a go at it.  Not that good,
>> but
>> > sometimes one is surprised.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Dominik
>> >
>> > --
>> > Professor Dominik Wujastyk <
>> http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> > ,
>> >
>> > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> > ,
>> >
>> > Department of History and Classics <
>> http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> > ,
>> > University of Alberta, Canada
>> > .
>> >
>> > South Asia at the U of A:
>> >
>> > sas.ualberta.ca
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 10:07, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear Dominik,
>> > >
>> > > I recall reading somewhere that the sizes of bricks of the Indus
>> > > civilization seem to have been standardized, in which case this is a
>> very
>> > > ancient industry in SA. In Bihar, it seems, the bricks of Nalanda and
>> other
>> > > viharas have been mined for centuries, and the use of brick in the
>> > > Kathmandu valley extends to Licchavi times. So there must be some
>> > > literature about this
>> > >
>> > > It's time to do for SA what Needham sought to do for China .....
>> > >
>> > > Best, Matthew
>> > >
>> > > Matthew T. Kapstein
>> > > EPHE, Paris
>> > > The University of Chicago
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > > *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
>> > > Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:53:04 PM
>> > > *To:* Indology
>> > > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] brick-making communities
>> > >
>> > > Travelling in India, especially by train, one occasionally sees large
>> > > mounds of bricks, or maybe they are kilns or sun-drying piles.  There
>> are
>> > > workers at these places, making bricks.  Is there a scholarly
>> *historical*
>> > > literature about these communities and the practice of brick-making in
>> > > earlier Indian history?
>> > >
>> > > With thanks,
>> > > Dominik
>> > >
>> > > e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaNIydpOYYk
>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kobW9nj-wQ
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Professor Dominik Wujastyk <
>> http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> > > ,
>> > >
>> > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> > > ,
>> > >
>> > > Department of History and Classics
>> > > <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> > > ,
>> > > University of Alberta, Canada
>> > > .
>> > >
>> > > South Asia at the U of A:
>> > >
>> > > sas.ualberta.ca
>> > >
>> > >
>>
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From tyler.g.neill at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 10:58:08 2018
From: tyler.g.neill at gmail.com (Tyler Neill)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 18 11:58:08 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Cologne online Sanskrit dictionaries new interface (also for Pune, Apte, etc.)
In-Reply-To: <CADbR+Y89poCYrV2SXnLR1R6XgeDF+CX440Ad+MmgmghvffJw6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADbR+Y9yBPeAyOgkPEgEe1jd-BzR94eGhwHRq__00uaDhOiwfg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

It has come to my attention over the past year or so that the new interface
for Cologne's dictionary tool may not be very well known, although it
represents in my opinion quite a healthy leap forward in coverage and
usability. For example, I searched the Indology list archive but couldn't
find any mention of it at all. Does anyone perhaps know a reason why this
development happened so quietly?

Prof. Karin Preisendanz has given me permission to share the below
exchange, which may hopefully be of some instructional use to others, as
well.

Kind regards,
Tyler Neill

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Tyler Neill <tyler.g.neill at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pune dictionary online
To: Karin Preisendanz <karin.preisendanz at univie.ac.at>


Dear Prof. Preisendanz,

You are correct, there is such a website. It is the Cologne one, most
commonly associated with the Monier-Williams dictionary.

The trick is to notice at the top of the home page ?
http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/ ? the link to "Dec 2017", "new
display".

What this gives is:
http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/awork/apidev/simple-search/v1.0/list-0.2s.html

Then, in the "Dictionary" box where the page defaults to "MW", simply
change the code there, either by clicking with the drop-down menu or by
typing. The desired Pune dictionary is accessed with the code "PD". (Two
editions of Apte are also available, although my preferred digital
interface for that remains the trickier-to-use Chicago website, which
nevertheless allows not only a single-entry view
<http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.3:1:4467.apte>
but also a page view
<http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?p.3:226.apte>
.)

You'll notice that the search box even features auto-completion while one
types. I think you'll agree, this already useful resource has now become
significantly more powerful. For whatever reason, however, awareness of the
new interface remains low. I think I will forward our exchange on to the
Indology list, if you don't mind. I read it daily and also just now
searched the archive, but I haven't yet seen any trace of a proper
announcement.

With kind regards,
Tyler

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 4:26 AM Karin.Preisendanz <
karin.preisendanz at univie.ac.at> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Neill,
>
> I dimly remember that at our last project meeting you mentioned an
> online Sanskrit dictionary that comprises most of the currently
> available fascicles of the Pune dictionary. I have had a closer look at
> Martin Gluckman's Sanskrit Dictionary now, but obviously it does not
> consider this dictionary. Could you please give me the relevant
> information or correct my memory?
>
> With many thanks and best regards,
>
> Karin Preisendanz
>
> --
> Karin Preisendanz
> Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde
> Universit?t Wien
> Spitalgasse 2-4, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1
> A-1090 Wien
> ?sterreich
>


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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Fri Nov  9 13:43:57 2018
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 18 13:43:57 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Cologne online Sanskrit dictionaries new interface (also for Pune, Apte, etc.)
In-Reply-To: <CADbR+Y9yBPeAyOgkPEgEe1jd-BzR94eGhwHRq__00uaDhOiwfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A2E9AD4-B50F-4C40-9F1A-991FA1CB36B4@austin.utexas.edu>

Thank you so much for brining this wonderful tool to our attention. I tried it, and it is fabulous.

Patrick



On Nov 9, 2018, at 4:58 AM, Tyler Neill via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear all,

It has come to my attention over the past year or so that the new interface for Cologne's dictionary tool may not be very well known, although it represents in my opinion quite a healthy leap forward in coverage and usability. For example, I searched the Indology list archive but couldn't find any mention of it at all. Does anyone perhaps know a reason why this development happened so quietly?

Prof. Karin Preisendanz has given me permission to share the below exchange, which may hopefully be of some instructional use to others, as well.

Kind regards,
Tyler Neill

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Tyler Neill <tyler.g.neill at gmail.com<mailto:tyler.g.neill at gmail.com>>
Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pune dictionary online
To: Karin Preisendanz <karin.preisendanz at univie.ac.at<mailto:karin.preisendanz at univie.ac.at>>


Dear Prof. Preisendanz,

You are correct, there is such a website. It is the Cologne one, most commonly associated with the Monier-Williams dictionary.

The trick is to notice at the top of the home page ? http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/ ? the link to "Dec 2017", "new display".

What this gives is: http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/awork/apidev/simple-search/v1.0/list-0.2s.html

Then, in the "Dictionary" box where the page defaults to "MW", simply change the code there, either by clicking with the drop-down menu or by typing. The desired Pune dictionary is accessed with the code "PD". (Two editions of Apte are also available, although my preferred digital interface for that remains the trickier-to-use Chicago website, which nevertheless allows not only a single-entry view<http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.3:1:4467.apte> but also a page view<http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?p.3:226.apte>.)

You'll notice that the search box even features auto-completion while one types. I think you'll agree, this already useful resource has now become significantly more powerful. For whatever reason, however, awareness of the new interface remains low. I think I will forward our exchange on to the Indology list, if you don't mind. I read it daily and also just now searched the archive, but I haven't yet seen any trace of a proper announcement.

With kind regards,
Tyler

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 4:26 AM Karin.Preisendanz <karin.preisendanz at univie.ac.at<mailto:karin.preisendanz at univie.ac.at>> wrote:
Dear Mr. Neill,

I dimly remember that at our last project meeting you mentioned an
online Sanskrit dictionary that comprises most of the currently
available fascicles of the Pune dictionary. I have had a closer look at
Martin Gluckman's Sanskrit Dictionary now, but obviously it does not
consider this dictionary. Could you please give me the relevant
information or correct my memory?

With many thanks and best regards,

Karin Preisendanz

--
Karin Preisendanz
Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde
Universit?t Wien
Spitalgasse 2-4, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1
A-1090 Wien
?sterreich
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From hermantull at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 18:59:40 2018
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 18 13:59:40 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Cologne online Sanskrit dictionaries new interface (also for Pune, Apte, etc.)
In-Reply-To: <2A2E9AD4-B50F-4C40-9F1A-991FA1CB36B4@austin.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CAFdBLNiNx6x4mwTVkQk8=5RjxpUm3ovW4825dkZGinwDrZfUFg@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of important tools for Indological scholarship, there was a post
sometime ago about a reliable mirror site for the ndli (I believe). I
cannot find the post in the archive. Does anyone recall the site (or, am I
imagining the thread...?)

Thanks,

Herman Tull

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:52 AM Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Thank you so much for brining this wonderful tool to our attention. I
> tried it, and it is fabulous.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2018, at 4:58 AM, Tyler Neill via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> It has come to my attention over the past year or so that the new
> interface for Cologne's dictionary tool may not be very well known,
> although it represents in my opinion quite a healthy leap forward in
> coverage and usability. For example, I searched the Indology list archive
> but couldn't find any mention of it at all. Does anyone perhaps know a
> reason why this development happened so quietly?
>
> Prof. Karin Preisendanz has given me permission to share the below
> exchange, which may hopefully be of some instructional use to others, as
> well.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tyler Neill
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Tyler Neill <tyler.g.neill at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Pune dictionary online
> To: Karin Preisendanz <karin.preisendanz at univie.ac.at>
>
>
> Dear Prof. Preisendanz,
>
> You are correct, there is such a website. It is the Cologne one, most
> commonly associated with the Monier-Williams dictionary.
>
> The trick is to notice at the top of the home page ?
> http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/ ? the link to "Dec 2017", "new
> display".
>
> What this gives is:
> http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/awork/apidev/simple-search/v1.0/list-0.2s.html
>
> Then, in the "Dictionary" box where the page defaults to "MW", simply
> change the code there, either by clicking with the drop-down menu or by
> typing. The desired Pune dictionary is accessed with the code "PD". (Two
> editions of Apte are also available, although my preferred digital
> interface for that remains the trickier-to-use Chicago website, which
> nevertheless allows not only a single-entry view
> <http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.3:1:4467.apte>
> but also a page view
> <http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?p.3:226.apte>
> .)
>
> You'll notice that the search box even features auto-completion while one
> types. I think you'll agree, this already useful resource has now become
> significantly more powerful. For whatever reason, however, awareness of the
> new interface remains low. I think I will forward our exchange on to the
> Indology list, if you don't mind. I read it daily and also just now
> searched the archive, but I haven't yet seen any trace of a proper
> announcement.
>
> With kind regards,
> Tyler
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 4:26 AM Karin.Preisendanz <
> karin.preisendanz at univie.ac.at> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr. Neill,
>>
>> I dimly remember that at our last project meeting you mentioned an
>> online Sanskrit dictionary that comprises most of the currently
>> available fascicles of the Pune dictionary. I have had a closer look at
>> Martin Gluckman's Sanskrit Dictionary now, but obviously it does not
>> consider this dictionary. Could you please give me the relevant
>> information or correct my memory?
>>
>> With many thanks and best regards,
>>
>> Karin Preisendanz
>>
>> --
>> Karin Preisendanz
>> Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde
>> Universit?t Wien
>> Spitalgasse 2-4, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1
>> A-1090 Wien
>> ?sterreich
>>
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From franco at uni-leipzig.de  Fri Nov  9 23:07:36 2018
From: franco at uni-leipzig.de (Eli Franco)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 18 00:07:36 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Friedrich Weller Prize 2019
In-Reply-To: <7f10df18-bd0c-943d-7fd8-23ec6b2d6be5@ifpindia.org>
Message-ID: <20181110000736.Horde.kQqCv4wzr8Rt1RTbw1iuog3@mail.uni-leipzig.de>


Dear friends and colleagues,
The Friedrich Weller Prize will be awarded again in 2019. For details  
please see
https://www.saw-leipzig.de/de/ausschreibungen/preise
For further enquiries you may also contact me off the list.
With best wishes,
Eli Franco


-- 
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Institut f?r Indologie und Zentralasienwissenschaften
Schillerstr. 6
04109 Leipzig

Ph. +49 341 9737 121, 9737 120 (dept. office)
Fax +49 341 9737 148







From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Nov 10 02:02:47 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 18 18:02:47 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Sanskrit verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzerb8agd+_VcmgOvZeqaM_dfJ_XqTMQT8VZCiOSw=UBrg@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?
?? ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ???????
Enchanting all beings, you make them move with your power of illusion. O
Lord, please tell us what is fault of those who are running around on your
stage.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From andra.kleb at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 10:28:01 2018
From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (andra.kleb at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 18 19:28:01 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] soft copy of Kirfel (1951)
Message-ID: <d11438c1-e8ac-4654-a5b3-00e12739b755@Spark>

Dear all,

I wonder if anyone of you may have a soft copy of Kirfel?s ?Die f?nf Elemente, insbesondere Wasser und Feuer. Ihre Bedeutung f?r den Ursprung altindischer und altmediterraner Heilkunde? (VfO 4)?

Many thanks in advance!

best,
Andrey


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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Sat Nov 10 11:51:24 2018
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 18 12:51:24 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Witch-hunting - a query
Message-ID: <CALNcvFtfq48oEpRpX-c+5dyq=PoB43bvdvNM344k=6ooGHNwSA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

Have the prevention of witch-hunting Bills been passed in all Indian States?

Regards,

Artur Karp (ret.)

Chair of South Asian Studies,
University of Warsaw
Poland


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From dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk  Sat Nov 10 11:56:23 2018
From: dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk (dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 18 11:56:23 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] soft copy of Kirfel (1951)
In-Reply-To: <d11438c1-e8ac-4654-a5b3-00e12739b755@Spark>
Message-ID: <5BE6C767.3538.11F2753@dermot.grevatt.force9.co.uk>

Dear Andrey,

I'd be interested in that too, if it's available.

Dermot

On 10 Nov 2018 at 19:28, Andrey Klebanov via INDOLOGY wrote:

Dear all, 

I wonder if anyone of you may have a soft copy of Kirfel's "Die f?nf Elemente, 
insbesondere Wasser und Feuer. Ihre Bedeutung f?r den Ursprung altindischer und 
altmediterraner Heilkunde" (VfO 4)?

Many thanks in advance!

best,
Andrey

-- 
Dermot Killingley
9, Rectory Drive,
Gosforth,
Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 1XT
Phone (0191) 285 8053






From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Nov 11 06:51:18 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 18 22:51:18 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfRU4pGF+Y6HrLK9cqs3F-=MSXZ-mFo7FoyafnKogiVmA@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

???????? ??????? ????????? ????? ?
?????????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????: ???????
O Lord, Enchanter of the world, I am enchanted by your power of illusion,
and, pulled by you with a string, I run here and there.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Nov 12 05:48:43 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 18 21:48:43 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcGPTun8TzDO_VnfXY6_=-vxowq5qY+ZVQMZxjSCawu9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

???????? ?? ??????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?
?? ?????????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????
O Lord, I have no other course than you, and you are my helper. Please,
don't leave me alone in this battlefield of the world and go elsewhere.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From racleach at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 12 06:32:30 2018
From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 06:32:30 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caland paper
Message-ID: <CAAyw6C=9NxA7bg-9OZUN3LG6=FOQBy7BNXQwpYgYuTUun6mi1w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

I can't find online the first volume, from 1923, of *Acta Orientalia *- I'm
looking specifically for Willem Caland's short paper "?ber das
V?dhulas?tra" (pp. 3-11) and would be very grateful if someone has a copy
of this they'd be willing to share.

Many thanks

Robert


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From aparpola at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 06:51:20 2018
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 08:51:20 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caland paper
In-Reply-To: <CAAyw6C=9NxA7bg-9OZUN3LG6=FOQBy7BNXQwpYgYuTUun6mi1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A710D88-3179-42FC-90F6-3BAC506F0664@gmail.com>

I do not have a pdf, but would like to point out that the paper has been reprinted in Caland?s Kleine Schriften edited by Michael Witzel (Glasenapp-Stiftung Band 27), Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag, 1990, pp. 268-276.  Best wishes, Asko

> On 12 Nov 2018, at 8.32, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> I can't find online the first volume, from 1923, of Acta Orientalia - I'm looking specifically for Willem Caland's short paper "?ber das V?dhulas?tra" (pp. 3-11) and would be very grateful if someone has a copy of this they'd be willing to share.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Robert
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From racleach at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 12 11:43:16 2018
From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 11:43:16 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caland paper
In-Reply-To: <5A710D88-3179-42FC-90F6-3BAC506F0664@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAyw6Cn6jdVQ7Cm=kug72_RL=k7wag_UO6G0_6A6TV_AbbMCWw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Professor Parpola,

Many thanks for your quick response, this is very helpful. Unfortunately I
can't access Caland's Kleine Schriften at present, so would still be very
grateful if anyone does have a pdf.

Best wishes,

Robert

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:51 AM Asko Parpola <aparpola at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do not have a pdf, but would like to point out that the paper has been
> reprinted in Caland?s Kleine Schriften edited by Michael Witzel
> (Glasenapp-Stiftung Band 27), Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag, 1990, pp.
> 268-276.  Best wishes, Asko
>
> On 12 Nov 2018, at 8.32, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear list members,
>
> I can't find online the first volume, from 1923, of *Acta Orientalia *-
> I'm looking specifically for Willem Caland's short paper "?ber das
> V?dhulas?tra" (pp. 3-11) and would be very grateful if someone has a copy
> of this they'd be willing to share.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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> committee)
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From racleach at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 12 12:17:34 2018
From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 12:17:34 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caland paper
In-Reply-To: <CAAyw6C=9NxA7bg-9OZUN3LG6=FOQBy7BNXQwpYgYuTUun6mi1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAyw6Cmfq7TH4_q71-yWs2048kFSH5XYOKO3b5aFD5USXi1HvQ@mail.gmail.com>

My sincere thanks to Seishi Karashima who has provided me with the article
in question.

Robert



On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:32 AM Robert Leach <racleach at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> I can't find online the first volume, from 1923, of *Acta Orientalia *-
> I'm looking specifically for Willem Caland's short paper "?ber das
> V?dhulas?tra" (pp. 3-11) and would be very grateful if someone has a copy
> of this they'd be willing to share.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Robert
>


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From slaje at kabelmail.de  Mon Nov 12 12:37:18 2018
From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 13:37:18 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caland paper
In-Reply-To: <CAAyw6Cn6jdVQ7Cm=kug72_RL=k7wag_UO6G0_6A6TV_AbbMCWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nVpX9e7RKwLSanHn2H7aYREjs5tJuYOdWGebtVXpk3Zjw@mail.gmail.com>

The volume is still available:
https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Kleine_Schriften/title_346.ahtml

Best, WS



Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018 um 12:43 Uhr schrieb Robert Leach via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> Dear Professor Parpola,
>
> Many thanks for your quick response, this is very helpful. Unfortunately I
> can't access Caland's Kleine Schriften at present, so would still be very
> grateful if anyone does have a pdf.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Robert
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:51 AM Asko Parpola <aparpola at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do not have a pdf, but would like to point out that the paper has been
>> reprinted in Caland?s Kleine Schriften edited by Michael Witzel
>> (Glasenapp-Stiftung Band 27), Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag, 1990, pp.
>> 268-276.  Best wishes, Asko
>>
>> On 12 Nov 2018, at 8.32, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> I can't find online the first volume, from 1923, of *Acta Orientalia *-
>> I'm looking specifically for Willem Caland's short paper "?ber das
>> V?dhulas?tra" (pp. 3-11) and would be very grateful if someone has a copy
>> of this they'd be willing to share.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Robert
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Mon Nov 12 13:55:22 2018
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 13:55:22 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caland paper
In-Reply-To: <CAAyw6Cmfq7TH4_q71-yWs2048kFSH5XYOKO3b5aFD5USXi1HvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D539FEB0-2BC9-417C-B28A-DBADBB9996B2@austin.utexas.edu>

Would it be possible to share this with us?

Patrick



On Nov 12, 2018, at 6:17 AM, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

My sincere thanks to Seishi Karashima who has provided me with the article in question.

Robert



On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:32 AM Robert Leach <racleach at googlemail.com<mailto:racleach at googlemail.com>> wrote:
Dear list members,

I can't find online the first volume, from 1923, of Acta Orientalia - I'm looking specifically for Willem Caland's short paper "?ber das V?dhulas?tra" (pp. 3-11) and would be very grateful if someone has a copy of this they'd be willing to share.

Many thanks

Robert
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From racleach at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 12 15:57:34 2018
From: racleach at googlemail.com (Robert Leach)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 15:57:34 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caland paper
In-Reply-To: <D539FEB0-2BC9-417C-B28A-DBADBB9996B2@austin.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CAAyw6Ck6jHZ398P=Q5K_O4bQyD6taMWemTCZ5t=6KyUZ+a8ozQ@mail.gmail.com>

Certainly. Please find the article attached.

Best wishes,

Robert

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 1:55 PM Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

> Would it be possible to share this with us?
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2018, at 6:17 AM, Robert Leach via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> My sincere thanks to Seishi Karashima who has provided me with the article
> in question.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:32 AM Robert Leach <racleach at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>> I can't find online the first volume, from 1923, of *Acta Orientalia *-
>> I'm looking specifically for Willem Caland's short paper "?ber das
>> V?dhulas?tra" (pp. 3-11) and would be very grateful if someone has a copy
>> of this they'd be willing to share.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Robert
>>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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> committee)
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From sravana.varma at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 20:56:12 2018
From: sravana.varma at gmail.com (Sravana Borkataky-Varma)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 14:56:12 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Diacritics sheet
Message-ID: <CA+826e8yM0SSXWK6M+oS9UyCnbC7hW64LoaOZAQEfD3nrOxRWw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

My History of Yoga class students have asked for a one-pager or a reliable
website for Devanagari diacritics. I will appreciate some leads on the
same.

Thank you.

Regards,
Sravana
-- 
Dr. Sravana Borkataky-Varma
*Visiting Faculty *
University of North Carolina Wilmington & University of Montana
*Instructor *
Susanne M. Glasscock School of Continuing Studies, Rice University &
The Women's Institute of Houston

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From rhododaktylos at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 22:47:40 2018
From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 23:47:40 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] University/College Sanskrit courses
Message-ID: <CAEjEOsAu7j40ZC-0HGgF2dveeGVBds2iu-O=tmo6rQ6xsc5nYA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Ever since I linked to this list of universities offering Sanskrit

https://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/en/links/links.php?sanskrit_studies

on my website, I have been receiving emails from kind people pointing me to
Sanskrit courses at institutions not included on here (and neither on the
lists offered on indology.info/links). A number of the links also don't
seem to be up-to-date anymore.

Thus I thought it might be useful to ask: are you associated with a college
or university that teaches Sanskrit, and if so, would you please send me
your current preferred link to your course offerings (or programme
overview, or other relevant 'main' page)? It would be especially helpful if
you also pointed me to Sanskrit courses not offered in dedicated
Indology/Sanskrit departments, as those are courses that students/anyone
outside those institutions are far less likely to know about in advance.

I'll wait for two weeks or so and will then send around a collated list. (I
would of course be delighted if anyone from Heidelberg or indology.info, or
any other list that I may have missed, then wanted to use that information,
too!)

Thank you, as always,
     Antonia

--
Dr Antonia Ruppel
allthingssanskrit.com
cambridge-sanskrit.org


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From christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca  Mon Nov 12 23:21:48 2018
From: christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca (Christoph Emmrich)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 18 23:21:48 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] [RISA-L LIST] University/College Sanskrit courses
In-Reply-To: <CAEjEOsAu7j40ZC-0HGgF2dveeGVBds2iu-O=tmo6rQ6xsc5nYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b23l0lcj7om0ksbjathl85v7.1542064905627@utoronto.ca>

Dear Antonia,

As to your request, here are two links to where to find information about the Sanskrit offerings at the University of Toronto:

http://religion.utoronto.ca/courses/sanskrit/

http://religion.utoronto.ca/courses/undergrad/

Undergraduate courses are taught by Libbie Mills. Graduate level Sanskrit at UofT is taught by Srilata Raman, Ajay Rao, Luther Obrock, and by myself.

Warmly,
Christoph

----



Christoph Emmrich

Associate Professor, Buddhist Studies

Director, Centre for South Asian Studies

at the Asian Institute, Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy

Chair, Numata Program UofT/McMaster

University of Toronto



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Dear all,

Ever since I linked to this list of universities offering Sanskrit

https://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/en/links/links.php?sanskrit_studies

on my website, I have been receiving emails from kind people pointing me to Sanskrit courses at institutions not included on here (and neither on the lists offered on indology.info/links<http://indology.info/links>). A number of the links also don't seem to be up-to-date anymore.

Thus I thought it might be useful to ask: are you associated with a college or university that teaches Sanskrit, and if so, would you please send me your current preferred link to your course offerings (or programme overview, or other relevant 'main' page)? It would be especially helpful if you also pointed me to Sanskrit courses not offered in dedicated Indology/Sanskrit departments, as those are courses that students/anyone outside those institutions are far less likely to know about in advance.

I'll wait for two weeks or so and will then send around a collated list. (I would of course be delighted if anyone from Heidelberg or indology.info<http://indology.info>, or any other list that I may have missed, then wanted to use that information, too!)

Thank you, as always,
     Antonia

--
Dr Antonia Ruppel
allthingssanskrit.com<http://allthingssanskrit.com>
cambridge-sanskrit.org<http://cambridge-sanskrit.org>


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Nov 13 15:08:40 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 18 07:08:40 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdPTJBZQuF8HVEvdgGXgfY0KwYjKaDD-BarrU4-jrz1PQ@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

???????????????? ?? ????????????? ?
?????? ?????? ????? ??????????? ???: ???????
Looking at the peacock feather, your head ornament, O Krishna, I know right
away that all colors are contained in you.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From hhhock at illinois.edu  Tue Nov 13 17:54:45 2018
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 18 17:54:45 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Rajput Paintings at Krannert Art Museum
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR11MB3408549B749CA1C4B1FFF2E8DACA0@SN6PR11MB3408.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <86DB637D-56A7-490B-BEA6-27BFBFD41D7C@illinois.edu>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

A colleague at the University of Illinois, who is not a member of this list, is curating an exhibition of Indian miniatures and illustrated manuscript pages and needs help in identifying the script (variant), language, provenance, and/or subject matter of several texts. The materials come from a private collection that was donated to our Krannert Art Museum. They are accessible at

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1ipc34jffji6oh7/AAB9eP_ptfkc-YCH7HdJWyFxa?dl=0

Many of the texts are in Sanskrit and appear to come from the Bhagavata Purana and the Devi Mahatmya, but even for these it would be useful to get more detailed information. At least one other text (from the Sangrani Sutra) seems to be in (Jaina) Prakrit, and one of the texts seems to employ a script variant that occurs in Grierson?s Marwati examples.

My colleague would be very grateful for any more specific information on all of the materials, including information on their likely provenance. To avoid delays in transmission, it would be wonderful if you could send your comments off-list, directly to purpura at illinois.edu<mailto:purpura at illinois.edu>

Thanks and best wishes,

Hans Henrich Hock



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From Palaniappa at aol.com  Wed Nov 14 03:47:28 2018
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 18 21:47:28 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Controversy over Indian Science Congress to include panel On Pushpaka Vimanas
In-Reply-To: <8E5D1243-DA8D-4E60-B292-A4678861EDE9@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <09C80058-A8EE-48EC-B79F-69C853EA6C22@aol.com>

Here is the latest issue related to the Vaim?nika ??stra.

See https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/soon-in-engineering-syllabus-rig-veda-accurately-mentions-speed-of-light-theory-of-gravitation-5377584/ <https://www.frontline.in/the-nation/article25437649.ece>.

Here is the petition initiated by Aniket Sule <http://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/people/academic/aniket-sule>, https://www.change.org/p/aicte-mhrd-aicte-should-withdraw-its-endorsement-of-pseudo-scientific-book <https://www.change.org/p/aicte-mhrd-aicte-should-withdraw-its-endorsement-of-pseudo-scientific-book>.

Regards,
Palaniappan


> On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Michael Witzel <witzel at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> I would like to draw your attention to V. Raghavan's (separately published) paper (33 pp.)
> 
> Yantras or Mechanical Contrivances in Ancient India. 
> 
> Transaction no. 10 (2nd edition)
> The Indian Institute of Culture
> (6, North Public Square Road, Bangalore 4)
> 1956
> 
> He also deals with "aerial vehicles" extensively, with text passages taken from Epic and Classical literature but also (importantly) from:
> * Mane?vara's M?nasoll?sa (c. 1131 CE) and 
> * Bhoja's  ?r?g?rama?jar? and his Samar??ga?as?tradh?ra.
> 
> Extensive description of a light wood bird, with several fires heating mercury inside? 
> 
> Amusingly, the texts often refer to the technical knowledge of ?  the Yavana.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> 
>> Here's a refutation of the Vaimanika arguments, by a group of Indian scholars at the Indian Institute of Technology at Bangalore, from 1974.  PDF attached to this email.
>> 
>> H. S. Mukunda, S. M. Deshpande, H. R. Nagendra, A. Prabhu, S. P. Govindaraju, "A Critical Sudy of the Work Vymanika Shastra" in Scientific Opinion, 1974:5-12.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dominik Wujastyk
>> ?
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> ============
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>> witzel at fas.harvard.edu <mailto:witzel at fas.harvard.edu>
>> <www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
>> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit,
>> Dept. of South Asian Studies, Harvard University
>> 1 Bow Street,
>> Cambridge MA 02138, USA
>> 
>> phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, fax 617 - 496 8571;
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Nov 14 17:45:03 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 18 09:45:03 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzf_rOGkcUAgu3u_GbzBJ2OGpHtefbrzb2pJku_k3cXOgg@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

?????? ????? ???????? ?? ? ?? ?????????? ?
????????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ???????
There is no color in the world that is not in your head ornament [peacock
feather]. O Lord of the whole world, though you are truly colorless, you
are the creator of all colors.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Nov 15 17:37:49 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 18 09:37:49 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzeG=kO7MP4gUe==CGF5XcD1wLMH-wp5K-p9Wa08y5q_kw@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

????? ?? ???????????????????? ??????: ?
????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????? ???????
O Krishna, your dark hue is said to be the original color, and other colors
are mere appearances like waves on the ocean.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
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From tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de  Thu Nov 15 21:36:33 2018
From: tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de (tatiana.oranskaia)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 18 22:36:33 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] a Jaina object: a request
Message-ID: <20181115223633.Horde.RQfw9gJGKcMFNY_A6nMvFK2@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>

Dear List members,

A colleague, who is not a member of this list, asked me to post an  
image of an object
from the Minaev collection in St. Petersburg. Its diameter is 13.5 cm
Please find photo attached.

The colleague would be most grateful for any comments.

With thanks and
best wishes,
Tatiana Oranskaia

-- 
Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia
Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
Asien-Afrika-Institut
Universit?t Hamburg
Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re.
20354 Hamburg

Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ)
Fax: 040 42838 6944
tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de

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From gthomgt at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 21:45:58 2018
From: gthomgt at gmail.com (George Thompson)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 18 16:45:58 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Re: Soma and Amanita muscaria
In-Reply-To: <CAPhjsAc1Uav=aPmeLC-w7siy05e6cC_vRVHZ1FHiZjzqgggXGg@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear List,

I apologize for having dropped out of our conversation for a while.  After
recovering from the flu I found myself swamped by unfulfilled obligations.
Fortunately, I am able to return to our conversation now.  First, I will
attach a pdf file that includes my three Soma papers which have been
mentioned already.  Unfortunately, the librarian whom I asked to make these
pdfs for me made only one pdf file that included all three papers together
[I had assumed that he would make a pdf of each paper, but I guess he saved
himself some time].

Also, while I was sick in I bed, I ordered a copy of Matthew Clark's book
"The Tawny One", and when I received it I read it within a week   I
strongly recommend it to all list members.  He makes two main
points. First, he asserts and argues well that soma/haoma plant had
psychedelic/entheogenic properties,  Second he asserts and argues well that
there was not one soma/haoma plant, but rather that  there were many.  This
makes sense to me.

I am not an ethnobotanist, So I have found Clark's ethnobotanical
discussions very helpful.  He has good command of Vedic literature in
translation as well as good command of the secondary literature [he also
knows later Sanskrit well].  He surveys all of the major proposals that
attempt to identify the ur-soma/haoma plant and juice.

Like Mathew, I look forward to more discussion.

Best wishes,

George Thompson

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:54 PM Matthew Clark via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Greetings, I am not sure if my last reply was posted or not. Just in case
> it wasn't, here are a few points in reply to previous questions. Best,
> Matthew Clark.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Matthew Clark <mahabongo at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 08:46
> Subject: Re: Re: [INDOLOGY] Soma and Amanita muscaria
> To: Mark Singleton <ms156 at soas.ac.uk>
>
>
> Greetings all, thanks for the responses. Addressing some of the points
> raised:
>
> 1. There are references in the RV (see my book) to "soma of the valleys,
> soma of the hills, soma of the rivers", etc., i.e. many somas. This is
> echoed not only in the Avesta but also in the materia medica of India. Soma
> was not one plant, it was many plants.
>
> 2. I think that the strongest argument against fly agaric is recent
> psychedelic history. Who eats or drinks fly-agaric in the West (or
> anywhere, apart from Siberia, corners of Afghanistan, and by the Objiway of
> North America)? Very few people do so (there are a few enthusiasts, of
> course: see my book). Many years ago I tried eating fly agaric: it was
> quite destabilizing. In over 40 years of global observation I have never
> come across a fly-agaric "movement". In contrast, as I mentioned, consider
> the enthusiasm for the classic tryptamines. This is not a "knock-out"
> argument, just a consideration of the weight of probabilities.
>
> 3. In soma rites, the concoction is usually consumed three times in a day.
>
> 4. The sound of vigorous pounding is amplified in the sound holes under
> the planks.
>
> 5. The soma rasa of the Vedas later becomes an internal amrita in yoga
> texts and elsewhere.
>
> 6. Although psychedelic plants are consumed occasionally in some tribal
> cultures of South Asia, I am not aware of any living psychedelic "cult" as
> such (any information on this point would be greatly appreciated). In my
> book I mention the living ayahuasca analogue cult run by Qalandar in Iran.
>
> More soon, no doubt. Matthew Clark.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 23:51 Mark Singleton <ms156 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Soma and Amanita muscaria
>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:59:31 +0530
>> From: Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Reply-To: Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> To: Michael Slouber <Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu> <Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu>
>> CC: Indology <indology at list.indology.info> <indology at list.indology.info>
>>
>> In Bhagavadgita, we have
>>
>> ???????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???????? ? ??-???
>>
>> This usage of the word Soma indicates that at least by the time of
>> composition of Gita, Soma has been viewed as the Rasa that provides the
>> common quality to all the (medicinal) plants.
>>
>> Even if this usage is viewed as the result of a semantic change from the
>> Vedic usage, there has to be a common semantic connection between the two
>> usages that lead to this semantic change.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:05 AM Michael Slouber via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a note that is it certainly untrue that South Asia lacks living
>>> traditions involving consumption of psychedelic plants; shamans in Nepal,
>>> for example, have a rich and diverse tradition of using dozens of such
>>> plants.  On this, see the following excellent and heavily photo-documented
>>> book:  *Shamanism and Tantra in the Himalayas* by Claudia Mu?ller-Ebeling;
>>> Christian Ra?tsch, 2002.
>>>
>>> Michael Slouber, Ph.D.
>>> Associate Professor, South Asian Studies
>>> Dept. of Liberal Studies
>>> Western Washington University
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> Director, Indic Academy of Sanskrit and Indological Studies.
>>
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Nov 16 00:58:13 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 18 16:58:13 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Re: Soma and Amanita muscaria
In-Reply-To: <CAP1Y1zu4Gp-EDD1fEMWGB8ehAcme6cbkBX-FOBU7eR4LZNm16g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcketDgrRvPqcLG8cFbPqXGYquoaKGO+maLzpHpomjEOg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear George,

     Were you going to attach the pdf of your articles?  Did I miss
something?

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 1:47 PM George Thompson via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> I apologize for having dropped out of our conversation for a while.  After
> recovering from the flu I found myself swamped by unfulfilled obligations.
> Fortunately, I am able to return to our conversation now.  First, I will
> attach a pdf file that includes my three Soma papers which have been
> mentioned already.  Unfortunately, the librarian whom I asked to make these
> pdfs for me made only one pdf file that included all three papers together
> [I had assumed that he would make a pdf of each paper, but I guess he saved
> himself some time].
>
> Also, while I was sick in I bed, I ordered a copy of Matthew Clark's book
> "The Tawny One", and when I received it I read it within a week   I
> strongly recommend it to all list members.  He makes two main
> points. First, he asserts and argues well that soma/haoma plant had
> psychedelic/entheogenic properties,  Second he asserts and argues well that
> there was not one soma/haoma plant, but rather that  there were many.  This
> makes sense to me.
>
> I am not an ethnobotanist, So I have found Clark's ethnobotanical
> discussions very helpful.  He has good command of Vedic literature in
> translation as well as good command of the secondary literature [he also
> knows later Sanskrit well].  He surveys all of the major proposals that
> attempt to identify the ur-soma/haoma plant and juice.
>
> Like Mathew, I look forward to more discussion.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> George Thompson
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:54 PM Matthew Clark via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Greetings, I am not sure if my last reply was posted or not. Just in case
>> it wasn't, here are a few points in reply to previous questions. Best,
>> Matthew Clark.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Matthew Clark <mahabongo at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 08:46
>> Subject: Re: Re: [INDOLOGY] Soma and Amanita muscaria
>> To: Mark Singleton <ms156 at soas.ac.uk>
>>
>>
>> Greetings all, thanks for the responses. Addressing some of the points
>> raised:
>>
>> 1. There are references in the RV (see my book) to "soma of the valleys,
>> soma of the hills, soma of the rivers", etc., i.e. many somas. This is
>> echoed not only in the Avesta but also in the materia medica of India. Soma
>> was not one plant, it was many plants.
>>
>> 2. I think that the strongest argument against fly agaric is recent
>> psychedelic history. Who eats or drinks fly-agaric in the West (or
>> anywhere, apart from Siberia, corners of Afghanistan, and by the Objiway of
>> North America)? Very few people do so (there are a few enthusiasts, of
>> course: see my book). Many years ago I tried eating fly agaric: it was
>> quite destabilizing. In over 40 years of global observation I have never
>> come across a fly-agaric "movement". In contrast, as I mentioned, consider
>> the enthusiasm for the classic tryptamines. This is not a "knock-out"
>> argument, just a consideration of the weight of probabilities.
>>
>> 3. In soma rites, the concoction is usually consumed three times in a day.
>>
>> 4. The sound of vigorous pounding is amplified in the sound holes under
>> the planks.
>>
>> 5. The soma rasa of the Vedas later becomes an internal amrita in yoga
>> texts and elsewhere.
>>
>> 6. Although psychedelic plants are consumed occasionally in some tribal
>> cultures of South Asia, I am not aware of any living psychedelic "cult" as
>> such (any information on this point would be greatly appreciated). In my
>> book I mention the living ayahuasca analogue cult run by Qalandar in Iran.
>>
>> More soon, no doubt. Matthew Clark.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 23:51 Mark Singleton <ms156 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Soma and Amanita muscaria
>>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:59:31 +0530
>>> From: Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> Reply-To: Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>>> <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>>> To: Michael Slouber <Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu> <Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu>
>>> CC: Indology <indology at list.indology.info> <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>
>>> In Bhagavadgita, we have
>>>
>>> ???????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???????? ? ??-???
>>>
>>> This usage of the word Soma indicates that at least by the time of
>>> composition of Gita, Soma has been viewed as the Rasa that provides the
>>> common quality to all the (medicinal) plants.
>>>
>>> Even if this usage is viewed as the result of a semantic change from the
>>> Vedic usage, there has to be a common semantic connection between the two
>>> usages that lead to this semantic change.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:05 AM Michael Slouber via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just a note that is it certainly untrue that South Asia lacks living
>>>> traditions involving consumption of psychedelic plants; shamans in Nepal,
>>>> for example, have a rich and diverse tradition of using dozens of such
>>>> plants.  On this, see the following excellent and heavily photo-documented
>>>> book:  *Shamanism and Tantra in the Himalayas* by Claudia Mu?ller-Ebeling;
>>>> Christian Ra?tsch, 2002.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Slouber, Ph.D.
>>>> Associate Professor, South Asian Studies
>>>> Dept. of Liberal Studies
>>>> Western Washington University
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Director, Indic Academy of Sanskrit and Indological Studies.
>>>
>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>>
>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>>
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From: alanus1216 at yahoo.com (Allen Thrasher)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 18 01:02:43 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Re: Soma and Amanita muscaria
In-Reply-To: <CAP1Y1zu4Gp-EDD1fEMWGB8ehAcme6cbkBX-FOBU7eR4LZNm16g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2104629470.1408241.1542330163627@mail.yahoo.com>

My thanks to all who have commented in the wake of my initial question about this topic, and also my apologies for the delay in thanking them.? My one extenuation is that I am having big troubles with my laptop and have to post messages from my pad, which is tedious, and the more so since it applies some automatic correction program that on the one hand lacks common words and on the other has some weird vocabulary that corrects correct words to bizarre things that don't exist in the language, and I can't find out how to turn it off.
Anyway, it sounds like an investigation in the Flora of various countries about where the Amanita and other candidates for soma grow is needed.? Wasson's arguments for the mushroom include some that assume the Vedic poets observed it growing, knew its physical appearance.? But in the article by him that was attached he envisaged it might have been procured by trade from the forest belt, many thousands of miles to the North of the subcontinent, at the end of which journey the plants would little resemble their original, fresh form.??
(By the way, if anyone has experienced the problem with the weird and apparently irremovable autocorrection, which works on both Gmail and Yahoo, and has fixed it, I would be extravagantly grateful if you contacted me privately, off the list.)
Thanks again,
Allen

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From gthomgt at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 04:27:30 2018
From: gthomgt at gmail.com (George Thompson)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 18 23:27:30 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Re: Soma and Amanita muscaria
In-Reply-To: <2104629470.1408241.1542330163627@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAP1Y1zsCL5847dTTCQh5TJuJYdNw4vEQ3j2pzA4+PAJdqJd7Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

Sorry for my mental lapse.  I will attach the pdf file now.

Thanks for your patience,

George

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:03 PM Allen Thrasher via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> My thanks to all who have commented in the wake of my initial question
> about this topic, and also my apologies for the delay in thanking them.  My
> one extenuation is that I am having big troubles with my laptop and have to
> post messages from my pad, which is tedious, and the more so since it
> applies some automatic correction program that on the one hand lacks common
> words and on the other has some weird vocabulary that corrects correct
> words to bizarre things that don't exist in the language, and I can't find
> out how to turn it off.
>
> Anyway, it sounds like an investigation in the Flora of various countries
> about where the Amanita and other candidates for soma grow is needed.
> Wasson's arguments for the mushroom include some that assume the Vedic
> poets observed it growing, knew its physical appearance.  But in the
> article by him that was attached he envisaged it might have been procured
> by trade from the forest belt, many thousands of miles to the North of the
> subcontinent, at the end of which journey the plants would little resemble
> their original, fresh form.
>
> (By the way, if anyone has experienced the problem with the weird and
> apparently irremovable autocorrection, which works on both Gmail and Yahoo,
> and has fixed it, I would be extravagantly grateful if you contacted me
> privately, off the list.)
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Allen
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From danbalogh at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 09:02:19 2018
From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Balogh_D=C3=A1niel?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 18 10:02:19 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Journal Kala Vaibhav
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From lw24 at soas.ac.uk  Fri Nov 16 14:45:46 2018
From: lw24 at soas.ac.uk (Lidia Wojtczak)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 18 14:45:46 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit Reading Room at SOAS, Winter Term
Message-ID: <CALo6i+sPRQmoJqqPMfj7=xC-iaWjs9XvXw7Ao1P-mKJs3teN9A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,
please find the Winter Term programme for the Sanskrit Reading Room at SOAS
below.

Wednesday, November 28, 3-5 pm, room B202 (Brunei Gallery), SOAS.
*Philipp Maas (Leipzig University)*
*M?ndh?t??s tale in the Mah?bh?rata (MBh 3.126) and the promotion of
Neo-Br?hmanism in early classical India*

Thursday, December 6, 3-5 pm, room S116 (Senate House), SOAS.
*Harunaga Isaacson (Hamburg University)*

*A Deity Dances; A Girl Sallies Forth.Sanskrit verses on the T???ava dances
of ?iva and Heruka, and on the Abhis?rik?.*

December 12, 3-5 pm, room 116 (Main Building), SOAS.
*Marion Rastelli (University of Vienna)*
*On the History of Branding (t?pa) in the Tradition of P??car?tra.*

Please see our website for fliers, blog posts and audio from previous
sessions:
https://sanskritreadingroom.wordpress.com/

or follow us on Facebook for updates:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2065721196987496/

With best wishes,
Lidia Wojtczak
SOAS University of London


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Nov 16 15:21:31 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 18 07:21:31 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdqXNkA=FEMug8fP47442xqjmo095FNacwjoyq94dOKPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????? ?
???????? ???????? ????????????????????? ???????
When in the courtyard of the world there was neither being nor non-being,
in that darkness without light, only the hue of Krishna was breathing.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From 573500 at soas.ac.uk  Fri Nov 16 17:24:33 2018
From: 573500 at soas.ac.uk (Karen O'Brien-Kop)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 18 17:24:33 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] SOAS Centre of Yoga Studies: current program of events
Message-ID: <CALzZgzLsu3VATeNzThzkreu=d2pL6WvBd7QfM=KKFW8TudHVSA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All

Apologies for any cross-posting.

Members of the list may be interested in the autumn term program at SOAS
Centre of Yoga Studies. Attached are details of a lecture by Dr Philipp
Maas on November 27 (The Yoga of Reasoning: Soteriology and Spiritual
Practice in the Ny?yabh??ya) and a lecture by Dr Linda Hess on November 29
(Exploring Yogic Language in Kabir).

With best wishes

Karen O'Brien-Kop

*Religions and Philosophies, SOAS*



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From andrew.ollett at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 19:25:24 2018
From: andrew.ollett at gmail.com (Andrew Ollett)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 18 14:25:24 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Concerning the International Association of Sanskrit Studies
In-Reply-To: <CAANHO17Li2PSu+QLJq=6hDuUrDJazXvB8WAXAsw4_J7BpMPj4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAANHO16KsJMw1u5Sw1nEuNg24SuG=qqp3x4YJ6Yt4fyH4L1HAA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Since the letter that many of you signed was presented and publicized on
this list, I thought I would be remiss not to give its members an update on
further developments. The IASS leadership has responded point-by-point, and
their response has been passed onto the signatories. It has clarified some
existing IASS policies, reaffirmed its commitment to scholarship and
neutrality, and noted some changes in the organization. There have
evidently been changes in the leadership (now reflected in their website
<http://www.sanskritassociation.org/>), and the IASS is forming a committee
to address the question of elections for office bearers, which was one of
the main points of the letter. I can only speak for myself here, but I was
reassured by the response, and I took it as an invitation to scholars of
Sanskrit to get involved and shape the future of the organization.

Andrew

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:21 AM Andrew Ollett <andrew.ollett at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear list-members and colleagues,
>
> This is just a note that the letter which so many of you have signed has
> now been finalized and delivered to the board of the IASS, its regional
> directors, and its consultative committee. The complete text and list of
> signatories is pasted below. A pdf version is also available here
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/p4p0fnycbfrqgse/IASSLetter.pdf?dl=0>. I
> sincerely hope that I have not omitted or misspelled anyone's name. We all
> await their response.
>
> Andrew
>
> ========================
>
> Thursday, Oct. 25, 2018
>
>
> To the International Association of Sanskrit Studies:
>
> The extremely well-organized World Sanskrit Conference that recently took
> place at the University of British Columbia has given scholars of Sanskrit
> all over the world an opportunity to reflect on the state of our field?an
> opportunity that was, unfortunately, missed after the controversial events
> of the preceding World Sanskrit Conference in Bangkok. According to its
> Statute <http://www.sanskritassociation.org/about-us.php>, the purpose of
> the International Association of Sanskrit Studies (IASS) is to ?to promote,
> diversify, intensify and coordinate Sanskrit Studies in all the countries
> of the world; to maintain contacts with the organising committee of the
> International Congresses of Asian and North African Studies; to organise
> international conferences of Sanskrit studies; to promote scholarly
> publication of Sanskrit-based studies; to establish and foster relations
> with national associations of Sanskrit studies.?
>
> We, the undersigned, believe that the IASS could do much more to ?promote,
> diversify, intensify and coordinate Sanskrit Studies in all the countries
> of the world.? Taking this mission statement seriously would involve
> expanding the range of activities of the IASS. More importantly, it would
> require the IASS to strenuously avoid any actions or remarks, on the part
> of its members and leadership, which can do serious harm to the goal of
> fostering Sanskrit Studies globally, and to distance itself, as a
> professional organization, from such actions or remarks as already have
> been made. The Deutsche Morgenl?ndische Gesellschaft, a former
> institutional member of the IASS, has withdrawn
> <https://www.dmg-web.de/indologie/iass.html> its membership on precisely
> these grounds (see ZDMG 168.1 [2018], p. 253), and it is possible that
> other individual and institutional members will follow suit unless the IASS
> develops appropriate responses to the challenges currently facing its
> future.
>
> Specifically, we would like to see the IASS do the following:
>
>    -
>
>    Make all offices of the Board subject to regular election. Currently
>    the offices of General Secretary, Treasurer, and President are not subject
>    to a regular election. It is crucial that the members of the association
>    are able to elect the leadership of the association on a regular basis.
>    -
>
>    Call an election of the Board before the end of 2018. The members of
>    the IASS must have the opportunity to decide who will represent them as
>    office holders, and above all, as President of the Association.
>    -
>
>    Make it absolutely clear that the IASS is a scholarly organization,
>    and that membership in the organization, and participation in the World
>    Sanskrit Conference, requires a scholarly engagement with Sanskrit.
>    -
>
>    Sever any ties, official or unofficial, between the IASS and any
>    national governments.
>    -
>
>    Create connections between Sanskrit studies and other disciplines. The
>    study of Sanskrit has always had the potential for close connections to the
>    disciplines of history, philosophy, linguistics, philology, sociology,
>    anthropology, literary studies, religious studies, gender studies, and many
>    more. The IASS should forge connections between its members and the
>    professional organizations that represent those disciplines.
>    -
>
>    Form committees devoted to professional issues, publication, research,
>    diversity, and programming, which will produce reports on a regular basis
>    .
>    -
>
>    Originate guidelines for the conduct of future WSC meetings and other
>    IASS-sponsored activities that emphasise professionalism, neutrality, and
>    independence.
>
> It may be the case that these changes cannot be implemented without
> rewriting the Statute of the IASS. In that case, we request that the IASS
> will involve a diverse selection of scholars, drawn from outside the
> current Board and Consultative Committee, to assist in making the required
> changes, and that this process be as transparent as possible. We also
> sincerely request the IASS Board to respond to these suggestions in a
> timely manner and apprise the undersigned scholars what steps it will take
> and when. We consider these issues to be of utmost importance. We are
> concerned that if the IASS does not take appropriate steps as a matter of
> urgency, even more scholars will abandon the Association and its
> conferences, to the detriment of international Sanskrit studies.
>
> Signed [in alphabetical order],
>
>
> Andrea Acri
>
> Michael Allen
>
> Talia Ariav
>
> Christ?le Barois
>
> Stefan Baums
>
> Ana Bajzelj
>
> Gil Ben-Herut
>
> Jason Birch
>
> Peter Bisschop
>
> Adam Bowles
>
> Jo Brill
>
> Yigal Bronner
>
> Whitney Cox
>
> Daniele Cuneo
>
> Victor D?Avella
>
> Paul Dundas
>
> Vincent Eltschinger
>
> Christoph Emmrich
>
> Iris Iran Farkhondeh
>
> Marco Ferrante
>
> Marco Franceschini
>
> Emmanuel Francis
>
> Elisa Freschi
>
> Jonardon Ganeri
>
> Rupert Gethin
>
> Robert P. Goldman
>
> Arlo Griffiths
>
> J?rgen Hanneder
>
> James Hartzell
>
> Zo? Woodbury High
>
> Alfred Hiltebeitel
>
> Jan Houben
>
> Jamal A. Jones
>
> Mrinal Kaul
>
> Agathe Keller
>
> Birgit Kellner
>
> Dermot Killingley
>
> Rafal Kleczek
>
> Jesse Knutson
>
> Frank K?hler
>
> Steven E. Lindquist
>
> Jeffery D. Long
>
> Timothy Lubin
>
> Philipp Maas
>
> Nabanjan Maitra
>
> Jim Mallinson
>
> Mark McClish
>
> Lawrence J. McCrea
>
> Christopher Minkowski
>
> Jason Neelis
>
> John Nemec
>
> Andrew J. Nicholson
>
> Monika Nowakowska
>
> Heike Oberlin
>
> Patrick Olivelle
>
> Andrew Ollett
>
> Lubom?r Ondra?ka
>
> Karin Preisendanz
>
> Asko Parpola
>
> Parimal Patil
>
> Pranav Prakash
>
> Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad
>
> Srilata Raman
>
> Ajay Rao
>
> Srilata Raman
>
> Isabelle Ratie
>
> Madhusudan Rimal
>
> Antonia Ruppel
>
> Alexis Sanderson
>
> Bihani Sarkar
>
> Patricia Sauthoff
>
> Martha Ann Selby
>
> Sven Sellmer
>
> David Shulman
>
> Shalini Sinha
>
> Michael Slouber
>
> Caley Charles Smith
>
> Frederick M. Smith
>
> Barbora Sojkova
>
> Hamsa Stainton
>
> Sally Sutherland Goldman
>
> McComas Taylor
>
> Raffaele Torella
>
> Davey K. Tomlinson
>
> Audrey Truschke
>
> Gary Tubb
>
> Roy Tzohar
>
> Alexander Uskokov
>
> Christian Wedemeyer
>
> Lidia Wojtczak
>
> Dominik Wujastyk
>
> Ananya Vajpeyi
>
> Christophe Vielle
>
> Robert Zydenbos
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 8:36 AM Andrew Ollett <andrew.ollett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> Just a note that we will be accepting signatures until Wednesday, Oct.
>> 24. Please also feel free to share the letter with colleagues.
>>
>> s?nunayam,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 4:57 AM Andrew Ollett <andrew.ollett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> A number of Sanskrit scholars plan to present the following letter to
>>> the International Association of Sanskrit Studies. We think it's important
>>> that everyone in the field of Sanskrit studies who is concerned about its
>>> future should have the opportunity to read it and add his or her voice. If
>>> you would like to add your name, send a message to iassletter at gmail.com (not
>>> to me, please). After a week or two, the list will be finalized and
>>> presented to the IASS.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Current as of: October 11, 2018
>>>
>>> (to sign, send a message to *iassletter at gmail.com
>>> <iassletter at gmail.com>*)
>>>
>>>
>>> To the International Association of Sanskrit Studies:
>>>
>>>
>>> The extremely well-organized World Sanskrit Conference that recently
>>> took place at the University of British Columbia has given scholars of
>>> Sanskrit all over the world an opportunity to reflect on the state of our
>>> field?an opportunity that was, unfortunately, missed after the
>>> controversial events of the preceding World Sanskrit Conference in Bangkok.
>>> According to its Statute
>>> <http://www.sanskritassociation.org/about-us.php>, the purpose of the
>>> International Association of Sanskrit Studies (IASS) is to ?to promote,
>>> diversify, intensify and coordinate Sanskrit Studies in all the countries
>>> of the world; to maintain contacts with the organising committee of the
>>> International Congresses of Asian and North African Studies; to organise
>>> international conferences of Sanskrit studies; to promote scholarly
>>> publication of Sanskrit-based studies; to establish and foster relations
>>> with national associations of Sanskrit studies.?
>>>
>>> We, the undersigned, believe that the IASS could do much more to
>>> ?promote, diversify, intensify and coordinate Sanskrit Studies in all the
>>> countries of the world.? Taking this mission statement seriously would
>>> involve expanding the range of activities of the IASS. More importantly, it
>>> would require the IASS to strenuously avoid any actions or remarks, on the
>>> part of its members and leadership, which can do serious harm to the goal
>>> of fostering Sanskrit Studies globally, and to distance itself, as a
>>> professional organization, from such actions or remarks as already have
>>> been made. The Deutsche Morgenl?ndische Gesellschaft, a former
>>> institutional member of the IASS, has withdrawn
>>> <https://www.dmg-web.de/indologie/iass.html> its membership on
>>> precisely these grounds (see ZDMG 168.1 [2018], p. 253), and it is possible
>>> that other individual and institutional members will follow suit unless the
>>> IASS develops appropriate responses to the challenges currently facing its
>>> future.
>>>
>>> Specifically, we would like to see the IASS do the following:
>>>
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Make all offices of the Board subject to regular election. Currently
>>>    the offices of General Secretary, Treasurer, and President are not subject
>>>    to a regular election. It is crucial that the members of the association
>>>    are able to elect the leadership of the association on a regular basis.
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Call an election of the Board before the end of 2018. The members of
>>>    the IASS must have the opportunity to decide who will represent them as
>>>    office holders, and above all, as President of the Association.
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Make it absolutely clear that the IASS is a scholarly organization,
>>>    and that membership in the organization, and participation in the World
>>>    Sanskrit Conference, requires a scholarly engagement with Sanskrit.
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Sever any ties, official or unofficial, between the IASS and any
>>>    national governments.
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Create connections between Sanskrit studies and other disciplines.
>>>    The study of Sanskrit has always had the potential for close connections to
>>>    the disciplines of history, philosophy, linguistics, philology, sociology,
>>>    anthropology, literary studies, religious studies, gender studies, and many
>>>    more. The IASS should forge connections between its members and the
>>>    professional organizations that represent those disciplines.
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Form committees devoted to professional issues, publication,
>>>    research, diversity, and programming, which will produce reports on a
>>>    regular basis.
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Originate guidelines for the conduct of future WSC meetings and
>>>    other IASS-sponsored activities that emphasise professionalism, neutrality,
>>>    and independence.
>>>
>>> It may be the case that these changes cannot be implemented without
>>> rewriting the Statute of the IASS. In that case, we request that the IASS
>>> will involve a diverse selection of scholars, drawn from outside the
>>> current Board and Consultative Committee, to assist in making the required
>>> changes, and that this process be as transparent as possible. We also
>>> sincerely request the IASS Board to respond to these suggestions in a
>>> timely manner and apprise the undersigned scholars what steps it will take
>>> and when. We consider these issues to be of utmost importance. We are
>>> concerned that if the IASS does not take appropriate steps as a matter of
>>> urgency, even more scholars will abandon the Association and its
>>> conferences, to the detriment of international Sanskrit studies.
>>>
>>> Signed [in alphabetical order],
>>>
>>>
>>> Yigal Bronner
>>>
>>> Jonardon Ganeri
>>>
>>> Mrinal Kaul
>>>
>>> Jim Mallinson
>>>
>>> Andrew Ollett
>>>
>>> Karin Preisendanz
>>>
>>> Ajay Rao
>>>
>>> Isabelle Ratie
>>>
>>> Martha Ann Selby
>>>
>>> David Shulman
>>>
>>> Gary Tubb
>>>
>>> Dominik Wujastyk
>>>
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From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 06:59:00 2018
From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 18 12:29:00 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Manuscripts of Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan
Message-ID: <CADSGPzVrDch7Nq+zTHo5u1-b_JmXuhPayk4dK7cy5xAo8KDm0w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear scholars,

Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan, Surat has a good collection of manuscripts.
There are three collections in the institute.
They have been scanned and the pdf files thereof have been put online for
the use of scholars by kind consent of the educational institute holding
them (Sarvajanik Education Society).

The details of catalogues are as follows:
1. Shivadatta Shukla alias Prakashanandanatha collection
<https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ShivadattaShuklaPrakashanandanatha.tsv>
- 1598 manuscripts
2. Shastri Dinamanishankara collection
<https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ShastriDinamanishankara.tsv>
- 960 manuscripts
3. Prof. V. R. Tripathi collection
<https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ProfVRTripathi.tsv>
- 27 manuscripts

Manuscripts are available at
https://archive.org/details/@chunilal_gandhi_vidyabhavan.
Majority of the manuscripts have been uploaded. Remaining are in the
process of upload.

Hope that some of these manuscripts are of use to some scholar somewhere
around the globe.
???? ????? ?????????????? ? ?????? ?

With warm regards,
-- 
Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S
Collector and District Magistrate, Surat
www.sanskritworld.in


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From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 13:57:47 2018
From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 18 19:27:47 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Manuscripts of Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan
In-Reply-To: <CADSGPzVrDch7Nq+zTHo5u1-b_JmXuhPayk4dK7cy5xAo8KDm0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADSGPzUS694pvHvbTR5zrUaY_0g2LWubL-LumEwUnucXPUg8cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Scholars,
I hearby regret my error in the naming of the third collection.

It is Prof. V. R. Trivedi collection, and not Prof. V. R. Tripathi as
mentioned before.

The corrected line and link are as below.
3. Prof. V. R. Trivedi collection
<https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ProfVRTrivedi.tsv>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 17:01:26 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 18 10:01:26 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Manuscripts of Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan
In-Reply-To: <CADSGPzVrDch7Nq+zTHo5u1-b_JmXuhPayk4dK7cy5xAo8KDm0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CfUwm5yzj6LLOxhnEi1TKmEH8AWAJepGMxMGeUcunGicg@mail.gmail.com>

This is a magnificent contribution to scholarship.  My sincere thanks to Dr
Patel and the colleagues at the Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan for sharing
these precious resources with scholars everywhere.

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 23:59, Dhaval Patel via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear scholars,
>
> Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan, Surat has a good collection of manuscripts.
> There are three collections in the institute.
> They have been scanned and the pdf files thereof have been put online for
> the use of scholars by kind consent of the educational institute holding
> them (Sarvajanik Education Society).
>
> The details of catalogues are as follows:
> 1. Shivadatta Shukla alias Prakashanandanatha collection
> <https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ShivadattaShuklaPrakashanandanatha.tsv>
> - 1598 manuscripts
> 2. Shastri Dinamanishankara collection
> <https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ShastriDinamanishankara.tsv>
> - 960 manuscripts
> 3. Prof. V. R. Tripathi collection
> <https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ProfVRTripathi.tsv>
> - 27 manuscripts
>
> Manuscripts are available at
> https://archive.org/details/@chunilal_gandhi_vidyabhavan.
> Majority of the manuscripts have been uploaded. Remaining are in the
> process of upload.
>
> Hope that some of these manuscripts are of use to some scholar somewhere
> around the globe.
> ???? ????? ?????????????? ? ?????? ?
>
> With warm regards,
> --
> Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S
> Collector and District Magistrate, Surat
> www.sanskritworld.in
> _______________________________________________
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Nov 17 17:02:51 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 18 09:02:51 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdocAkMed9SssHtZfjL9HgWkMfE9i2kDtTOMu-XnD=nrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

??????????????????????????? ???? ???? ?
????????????? ????????????: ???????? ???: ???????
>From that primordial hue of Krishna everything that exists here was
created. How would the creation of other colors from something else be
possible?

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 17:14:51 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 18 10:14:51 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Anne-Marie Gaston
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cdm5nkauUb3bCadeppRu1ZZVdh_a+MzV4Ve-rhXX7iSQw@mail.gmail.com>

I just learned today that Anne-Marie passed away earler this year.  An
obiturary can be read here
<http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/ottawacitizen/obituary.aspx?n=anne-marie-gaston&pid=188737504>.
Anne-Marie and I learned Sanskrit together from Alexis and Richard, at
Oxford in the 70s.  She was incredibly energetic and positive, and a super
companion student.  May she rest in peace.

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Nov 17 20:25:57 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 18 12:25:57 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Manuscripts of Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CfUwm5yzj6LLOxhnEi1TKmEH8AWAJepGMxMGeUcunGicg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfS8Cit+iMRUqOw=CWeZt-5771Jtdh70ixGLxvHC-DYYg@mail.gmail.com>

I join Professor Wujastyk in thanking Dr. Dhaval Patel for providing access
to such a wonderful storehouse of manuscripts.  I hope more such treasures
will become available in future.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 9:02 AM Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> This is a magnificent contribution to scholarship.  My sincere thanks to
> Dr Patel and the colleagues at the Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan for sharing
> these precious resources with scholars everywhere.
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 23:59, Dhaval Patel via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear scholars,
>>
>> Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan, Surat has a good collection of manuscripts.
>> There are three collections in the institute.
>> They have been scanned and the pdf files thereof have been put online for
>> the use of scholars by kind consent of the educational institute holding
>> them (Sarvajanik Education Society).
>>
>> The details of catalogues are as follows:
>> 1. Shivadatta Shukla alias Prakashanandanatha collection
>> <https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ShivadattaShuklaPrakashanandanatha.tsv>
>> - 1598 manuscripts
>> 2. Shastri Dinamanishankara collection
>> <https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ShastriDinamanishankara.tsv>
>> - 960 manuscripts
>> 3. Prof. V. R. Tripathi collection
>> <https://github.com/drdhaval2785/ChunilalGandhiVidyabhavan/blob/master/ProfVRTripathi.tsv>
>> - 27 manuscripts
>>
>> Manuscripts are available at
>> https://archive.org/details/@chunilal_gandhi_vidyabhavan.
>> Majority of the manuscripts have been uploaded. Remaining are in the
>> process of upload.
>>
>> Hope that some of these manuscripts are of use to some scholar somewhere
>> around the globe.
>> ???? ????? ?????????????? ? ?????? ?
>>
>> With warm regards,
>> --
>> Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S
>> Collector and District Magistrate, Surat
>> www.sanskritworld.in
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From tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de  Sat Nov 17 22:26:49 2018
From: tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de (tatiana.oranskaia)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 18 23:26:49 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jaina object: a request
Message-ID: <20181117232649.Horde.k6CBXrYgefz6Xtbm4noNZtJ@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>

Dear List members,

A colleague, who is not a member of this list, asked me to post an  
image of an object
from the Minaev collection in St. Petersburg. Its diameter is 13.5 cm  
. I am sending photo as attachment.

The colleague would be most grateful for any comments.

With thanks and
best wishes,
Tatiana Oranskaia

-- 
Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia
Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
Asien-Afrika-Institut
Universit?t Hamburg
Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re.
20354 Hamburg

Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ)
Fax: 040 42838 6944
tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Nov 17 22:33:05 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 18 14:33:05 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Jaina object: a request
In-Reply-To: <20181117232649.Horde.k6CBXrYgefz6Xtbm4noNZtJ@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dze-1D1sF2aTZFvjfjhjCHqANOGQ3R-3pf6yp+fG76yUNg@mail.gmail.com>

Looks to me like a Mandala with 24 Jain T?rthankaras.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 2:27 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear List members,
>
> A colleague, who is not a member of this list, asked me to post an
> image of an object
> from the Minaev collection in St. Petersburg. Its diameter is 13.5 cm
> . I am sending photo as attachment.
>
> The colleague would be most grateful for any comments.
>
> With thanks and
> best wishes,
> Tatiana Oranskaia
>
> --
> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia
> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
> Asien-Afrika-Institut
> Universit?t Hamburg
> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re.
> 20354 Hamburg
>
> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ)
> Fax: 040 42838 6944
> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de
>
> _______________________________________________
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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 18 02:02:59 2018
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 18 02:02:59 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Vedic Science"
In-Reply-To: <1844371773.2293195.1542506579637.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1844371773.2293195.1542506579637@mail.yahoo.com>


https://www.frontline.in/the-nation/article25437649.ece

"Engineering students across the country will be introduced to a new kind of ?science fiction? in the next academic year, thanks to the All India Council of Technical Education (AICTE)....
what is seen as an attempt to instil pride and awareness about India's fabled past so that they are not swept off their feet by the advancements in science and technology in the West.
The objective might be laudable, but the claims made in ?Bharatiya Vidya Saar?, edited by Dr Shashibala, have drawn flak."

 
I have heard that Dominik has written one or two articles that address some the more outrageous of these claims.
Are those available anywhere? Are there papers by others as well?
Best,
Dean

 


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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 02:31:40 2018
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 18 08:01:40 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nirnaya Sagar Fonts are at finishing stage of development
Message-ID: <CAODNnZj2-A+uaOGbDQT+bZrXq5OGS4QNE5zt54fOH-SwFg3xBg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all
The fonts are getting developed and will be published in the month of
February or March. The following mails will have more samples and any
suggestions corrections are welcome.


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Nov 18 02:43:56 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 18 18:43:56 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nirnaya Sagar Fonts are at finishing stage of development
In-Reply-To: <CAODNnZj2-A+uaOGbDQT+bZrXq5OGS4QNE5zt54fOH-SwFg3xBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcTKytJzOfjcFQw4Tu5i2GbhM9Hs82ST1OU0poTbfjsYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Krishnaprasad Ji,

Waiting for this beautiful looking font.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 6:33 PM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear all
> The fonts are getting developed and will be published in the month of
> February or March. The following mails will have more samples and any
> suggestions corrections are welcome.
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From vajpeyi at csds.in  Sun Nov 18 08:13:55 2018
From: vajpeyi at csds.in (Ananya Vajpeyi)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 18 13:43:55 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Concerning the International Association of Sanskrit Studies
Message-ID: <CAHxuC0RMb+pvBLZSKhTdshzW6tmM1jqNCY=bQ-J7saYr81F8MQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Andrew,

Thanks for the update from the IASS in response to the letter of concern
drafted and signed by many colleagues. I agree with you that it's
encouraging to see the organization takes some necessary steps towards
housekeeping and internal reform. Surely more scholars will join the IASS,
some will stand for elections, and take the work of Sanskrit forward in the
spirit of both preserving and augmenting our collective knowledge about
this language and its vast field of study.

Asato m? sad-gamaya!

Best,

Ananya.


-- 

*Ananya Vajpeyi *
*Fellow and Associate Professor*
*Centre for the Study of Developing Societies*
*29 Rajpur Road, Civil Lines*
*New Delhi 110054*
*e: vajpeyi at csds.in <vajpeyi at csds.in>*
*ext: 229*

*http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm
<http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm>*


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Nov 18 16:45:28 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 18 08:45:28 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd8fRBnseUb29CiO-x5xE_gt9_t9tdKEzvtf+Ove_8o5A@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

?????? ??? ?????: ?????? ?? ??? ???: ?
???????????????: ??????? ? ???? ?????: ???????
How do I describe in words the nature of my friend, Krishna? Endowed with
countless qualities, he resides in the heart of his friends.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From veerankp at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 17:47:49 2018
From: veerankp at gmail.com (Veeranarayana Pandurangi)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 18 23:17:49 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Concerning the International Association of Sanskrit Studies
In-Reply-To: <CAANHO16KsJMw1u5Sw1nEuNg24SuG=qqp3x4YJ6Yt4fyH4L1HAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPnSTejT9LF6WMbSCNh4+MDnyJ8-mjy0OfNm_i7OHDvD2Xp1AA@mail.gmail.com>

once sentence reads  "There have evidently been changes in the leadership
(now reflected in their website <http://www.sanskritassociation.org/>), "
most prominently it is the absence of President there. what happened to
Prof. Kutumba Shastriji? is he removed  (because of.....??) or resigned
himself?

there is also an absence of regional director from India.

there are many members of IASS here. Can anybody clarify?

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 12:56 AM Andrew Ollett via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> Since the letter that many of you signed was presented and publicized on
> this list, I thought I would be remiss not to give its members an update on
> further developments. The IASS leadership has responded point-by-point, and
> their response has been passed onto the signatories. It has clarified some
> existing IASS policies, reaffirmed its commitment to scholarship and
> neutrality, and noted some changes in the organization. There have
> evidently been changes in the leadership (now reflected in their website
> <http://www.sanskritassociation.org/>), and the IASS is forming a
> committee to address the question of elections for office bearers, which
> was one of the main points of the letter. I can only speak for myself here,
> but I was reassured by the response, and I took it as an invitation to
> scholars of Sanskrit to get involved and shape the future of the
> organization.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:21 AM Andrew Ollett <andrew.ollett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear list-members and colleagues,
>>
>> This is just a note that the letter which so many of you have signed has
>> now been finalized and delivered to the board of the IASS, its regional
>> directors, and its consultative committee. The complete text and list of
>> signatories is pasted below. A pdf version is also available here
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/p4p0fnycbfrqgse/IASSLetter.pdf?dl=0>. I
>> sincerely hope that I have not omitted or misspelled anyone's name. We all
>> await their response.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> ========================
>>
>> Thursday, Oct. 25, 2018
>>
>>
>> To the International Association of Sanskrit Studies:
>>
>> The extremely well-organized World Sanskrit Conference that recently took
>> place at the University of British Columbia has given scholars of Sanskrit
>> all over the world an opportunity to reflect on the state of our field?an
>> opportunity that was, unfortunately, missed after the controversial events
>> of the preceding World Sanskrit Conference in Bangkok. According to its
>> Statute <http://www.sanskritassociation.org/about-us.php>, the purpose
>> of the International Association of Sanskrit Studies (IASS) is to ?to
>> promote, diversify, intensify and coordinate Sanskrit Studies in all the
>> countries of the world; to maintain contacts with the organising committee
>> of the International Congresses of Asian and North African Studies; to
>> organise international conferences of Sanskrit studies; to promote
>> scholarly publication of Sanskrit-based studies; to establish and foster
>> relations with national associations of Sanskrit studies.?
>>
>> We, the undersigned, believe that the IASS could do much more to
>> ?promote, diversify, intensify and coordinate Sanskrit Studies in all the
>> countries of the world.? Taking this mission statement seriously would
>> involve expanding the range of activities of the IASS. More importantly, it
>> would require the IASS to strenuously avoid any actions or remarks, on the
>> part of its members and leadership, which can do serious harm to the goal
>> of fostering Sanskrit Studies globally, and to distance itself, as a
>> professional organization, from such actions or remarks as already have
>> been made. The Deutsche Morgenl?ndische Gesellschaft, a former
>> institutional member of the IASS, has withdrawn
>> <https://www.dmg-web.de/indologie/iass.html> its membership on precisely
>> these grounds (see ZDMG 168.1 [2018], p. 253), and it is possible that
>> other individual and institutional members will follow suit unless the IASS
>> develops appropriate responses to the challenges currently facing its
>> future.
>>
>> Specifically, we would like to see the IASS do the following:
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    Make all offices of the Board subject to regular election. Currently
>>    the offices of General Secretary, Treasurer, and President are not subject
>>    to a regular election. It is crucial that the members of the association
>>    are able to elect the leadership of the association on a regular basis.
>>    -
>>
>>    Call an election of the Board before the end of 2018. The members of
>>    the IASS must have the opportunity to decide who will represent them as
>>    office holders, and above all, as President of the Association.
>>    -
>>
>>    Make it absolutely clear that the IASS is a scholarly organization,
>>    and that membership in the organization, and participation in the World
>>    Sanskrit Conference, requires a scholarly engagement with Sanskrit.
>>    -
>>
>>    Sever any ties, official or unofficial, between the IASS and any
>>    national governments.
>>    -
>>
>>    Create connections between Sanskrit studies and other disciplines.
>>    The study of Sanskrit has always had the potential for close connections to
>>    the disciplines of history, philosophy, linguistics, philology, sociology,
>>    anthropology, literary studies, religious studies, gender studies, and many
>>    more. The IASS should forge connections between its members and the
>>    professional organizations that represent those disciplines.
>>    -
>>
>>    Form committees devoted to professional issues, publication,
>>    research, diversity, and programming, which will produce reports on a
>>    regular basis.
>>    -
>>
>>    Originate guidelines for the conduct of future WSC meetings and other
>>    IASS-sponsored activities that emphasise professionalism, neutrality, and
>>    independence.
>>
>> It may be the case that these changes cannot be implemented without
>> rewriting the Statute of the IASS. In that case, we request that the IASS
>> will involve a diverse selection of scholars, drawn from outside the
>> current Board and Consultative Committee, to assist in making the required
>> changes, and that this process be as transparent as possible. We also
>> sincerely request the IASS Board to respond to these suggestions in a
>> timely manner and apprise the undersigned scholars what steps it will take
>> and when. We consider these issues to be of utmost importance. We are
>> concerned that if the IASS does not take appropriate steps as a matter of
>> urgency, even more scholars will abandon the Association and its
>> conferences, to the detriment of international Sanskrit studies.
>>
>> Signed [in alphabetical order],
>>
>>
>> Andrea Acri
>>
>> Michael Allen
>>
>> Talia Ariav
>>
>> Christ?le Barois
>>
>> Stefan Baums
>>
>> Ana Bajzelj
>>
>> Gil Ben-Herut
>>
>> Jason Birch
>>
>> Peter Bisschop
>>
>> Adam Bowles
>>
>> Jo Brill
>>
>> Yigal Bronner
>>
>> Whitney Cox
>>
>> Daniele Cuneo
>>
>> Victor D?Avella
>>
>> Paul Dundas
>>
>> Vincent Eltschinger
>>
>> Christoph Emmrich
>>
>> Iris Iran Farkhondeh
>>
>> Marco Ferrante
>>
>> Marco Franceschini
>>
>> Emmanuel Francis
>>
>> Elisa Freschi
>>
>> Jonardon Ganeri
>>
>> Rupert Gethin
>>
>> Robert P. Goldman
>>
>> Arlo Griffiths
>>
>> J?rgen Hanneder
>>
>> James Hartzell
>>
>> Zo? Woodbury High
>>
>> Alfred Hiltebeitel
>>
>> Jan Houben
>>
>> Jamal A. Jones
>>
>> Mrinal Kaul
>>
>> Agathe Keller
>>
>> Birgit Kellner
>>
>> Dermot Killingley
>>
>> Rafal Kleczek
>>
>> Jesse Knutson
>>
>> Frank K?hler
>>
>> Steven E. Lindquist
>>
>> Jeffery D. Long
>>
>> Timothy Lubin
>>
>> Philipp Maas
>>
>> Nabanjan Maitra
>>
>> Jim Mallinson
>>
>> Mark McClish
>>
>> Lawrence J. McCrea
>>
>> Christopher Minkowski
>>
>> Jason Neelis
>>
>> John Nemec
>>
>> Andrew J. Nicholson
>>
>> Monika Nowakowska
>>
>> Heike Oberlin
>>
>> Patrick Olivelle
>>
>> Andrew Ollett
>>
>> Lubom?r Ondra?ka
>>
>> Karin Preisendanz
>>
>> Asko Parpola
>>
>> Parimal Patil
>>
>> Pranav Prakash
>>
>> Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad
>>
>> Srilata Raman
>>
>> Ajay Rao
>>
>> Srilata Raman
>>
>> Isabelle Ratie
>>
>> Madhusudan Rimal
>>
>> Antonia Ruppel
>>
>> Alexis Sanderson
>>
>> Bihani Sarkar
>>
>> Patricia Sauthoff
>>
>> Martha Ann Selby
>>
>> Sven Sellmer
>>
>> David Shulman
>>
>> Shalini Sinha
>>
>> Michael Slouber
>>
>> Caley Charles Smith
>>
>> Frederick M. Smith
>>
>> Barbora Sojkova
>>
>> Hamsa Stainton
>>
>> Sally Sutherland Goldman
>>
>> McComas Taylor
>>
>> Raffaele Torella
>>
>> Davey K. Tomlinson
>>
>> Audrey Truschke
>>
>> Gary Tubb
>>
>> Roy Tzohar
>>
>> Alexander Uskokov
>>
>> Christian Wedemeyer
>>
>> Lidia Wojtczak
>>
>> Dominik Wujastyk
>>
>> Ananya Vajpeyi
>>
>> Christophe Vielle
>>
>> Robert Zydenbos
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 8:36 AM Andrew Ollett <andrew.ollett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> Just a note that we will be accepting signatures until Wednesday, Oct.
>>> 24. Please also feel free to share the letter with colleagues.
>>>
>>> s?nunayam,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 4:57 AM Andrew Ollett <andrew.ollett at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> A number of Sanskrit scholars plan to present the following letter to
>>>> the International Association of Sanskrit Studies. We think it's important
>>>> that everyone in the field of Sanskrit studies who is concerned about its
>>>> future should have the opportunity to read it and add his or her voice. If
>>>> you would like to add your name, send a message to iassletter at gmail.com (not
>>>> to me, please). After a week or two, the list will be finalized and
>>>> presented to the IASS.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Current as of: October 11, 2018
>>>>
>>>> (to sign, send a message to *iassletter at gmail.com
>>>> <iassletter at gmail.com>*)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To the International Association of Sanskrit Studies:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The extremely well-organized World Sanskrit Conference that recently
>>>> took place at the University of British Columbia has given scholars of
>>>> Sanskrit all over the world an opportunity to reflect on the state of our
>>>> field?an opportunity that was, unfortunately, missed after the
>>>> controversial events of the preceding World Sanskrit Conference in Bangkok.
>>>> According to its Statute
>>>> <http://www.sanskritassociation.org/about-us.php>, the purpose of the
>>>> International Association of Sanskrit Studies (IASS) is to ?to promote,
>>>> diversify, intensify and coordinate Sanskrit Studies in all the countries
>>>> of the world; to maintain contacts with the organising committee of the
>>>> International Congresses of Asian and North African Studies; to organise
>>>> international conferences of Sanskrit studies; to promote scholarly
>>>> publication of Sanskrit-based studies; to establish and foster relations
>>>> with national associations of Sanskrit studies.?
>>>>
>>>> We, the undersigned, believe that the IASS could do much more to
>>>> ?promote, diversify, intensify and coordinate Sanskrit Studies in all the
>>>> countries of the world.? Taking this mission statement seriously would
>>>> involve expanding the range of activities of the IASS. More importantly, it
>>>> would require the IASS to strenuously avoid any actions or remarks, on the
>>>> part of its members and leadership, which can do serious harm to the goal
>>>> of fostering Sanskrit Studies globally, and to distance itself, as a
>>>> professional organization, from such actions or remarks as already have
>>>> been made. The Deutsche Morgenl?ndische Gesellschaft, a former
>>>> institutional member of the IASS, has withdrawn
>>>> <https://www.dmg-web.de/indologie/iass.html> its membership on
>>>> precisely these grounds (see ZDMG 168.1 [2018], p. 253), and it is possible
>>>> that other individual and institutional members will follow suit unless the
>>>> IASS develops appropriate responses to the challenges currently facing its
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> Specifically, we would like to see the IASS do the following:
>>>>
>>>>    -
>>>>
>>>>    Make all offices of the Board subject to regular election.
>>>>    Currently the offices of General Secretary, Treasurer, and President are
>>>>    not subject to a regular election. It is crucial that the members of the
>>>>    association are able to elect the leadership of the association on a
>>>>    regular basis.
>>>>    -
>>>>
>>>>    Call an election of the Board before the end of 2018. The members
>>>>    of the IASS must have the opportunity to decide who will represent them as
>>>>    office holders, and above all, as President of the Association.
>>>>    -
>>>>
>>>>    Make it absolutely clear that the IASS is a scholarly organization,
>>>>    and that membership in the organization, and participation in the World
>>>>    Sanskrit Conference, requires a scholarly engagement with Sanskrit.
>>>>    -
>>>>
>>>>    Sever any ties, official or unofficial, between the IASS and any
>>>>    national governments.
>>>>    -
>>>>
>>>>    Create connections between Sanskrit studies and other disciplines.
>>>>    The study of Sanskrit has always had the potential for close connections to
>>>>    the disciplines of history, philosophy, linguistics, philology, sociology,
>>>>    anthropology, literary studies, religious studies, gender studies, and many
>>>>    more. The IASS should forge connections between its members and the
>>>>    professional organizations that represent those disciplines.
>>>>    -
>>>>
>>>>    Form committees devoted to professional issues, publication,
>>>>    research, diversity, and programming, which will produce reports on a
>>>>    regular basis.
>>>>    -
>>>>
>>>>    Originate guidelines for the conduct of future WSC meetings and
>>>>    other IASS-sponsored activities that emphasise professionalism, neutrality,
>>>>    and independence.
>>>>
>>>> It may be the case that these changes cannot be implemented without
>>>> rewriting the Statute of the IASS. In that case, we request that the IASS
>>>> will involve a diverse selection of scholars, drawn from outside the
>>>> current Board and Consultative Committee, to assist in making the required
>>>> changes, and that this process be as transparent as possible. We also
>>>> sincerely request the IASS Board to respond to these suggestions in a
>>>> timely manner and apprise the undersigned scholars what steps it will take
>>>> and when. We consider these issues to be of utmost importance. We are
>>>> concerned that if the IASS does not take appropriate steps as a matter of
>>>> urgency, even more scholars will abandon the Association and its
>>>> conferences, to the detriment of international Sanskrit studies.
>>>>
>>>> Signed [in alphabetical order],
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yigal Bronner
>>>>
>>>> Jonardon Ganeri
>>>>
>>>> Mrinal Kaul
>>>>
>>>> Jim Mallinson
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Ollett
>>>>
>>>> Karin Preisendanz
>>>>
>>>> Ajay Rao
>>>>
>>>> Isabelle Ratie
>>>>
>>>> Martha Ann Selby
>>>>
>>>> David Shulman
>>>>
>>>> Gary Tubb
>>>>
>>>> Dominik Wujastyk
>>>>
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Dean, Faculty of Vedantas
Karnakata Samskrita University,
Pampa Mahakavi Road,
Chamarajpet, Bengaluru.


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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 17:58:06 2018
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 18 23:28:06 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nirnaya Sagar Fonts are at finishing stage of development
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On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 9:23 PM Arlo Griffiths <arlogriffiths at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Sir,
>
>
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>
> Arlo Griffiths
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 18, 2018 2:31 AM
> *To:* Indology
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Nirnaya Sagar Fonts are at finishing stage of
> development
>
> Dear all
> The fonts are getting developed and will be published in the month of
> February or March. The following mails will have more samples and any
> suggestions corrections are welcome.
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From tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de  Sun Nov 18 23:24:47 2018
From: tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de (tatiana.oranskaia)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 00:24:47 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Many thanks for comments: Jaina object
Message-ID: <20181119002447.Horde.7rILdKE01HmU-45YhyKn1TT@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>

The colleague in Saint Petersburg and me are deeply grateful to Prof.  
Deshpande, Prof. Huntington and Prof. Balbir for their valuable  
comments about the Jaina object from the Minaev collection.

Regards,
Tatiana Oranskaia

-- 
Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia
Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
Asien-Afrika-Institut
Universit?t Hamburg
Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re.
20354 Hamburg

Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ)
Fax: 040 42838 6944
tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de







From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 02:03:20 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 18 19:03:20 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Vedic Science"
In-Reply-To: <1844371773.2293195.1542506579637@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CfGXzu4L4rvEg1PaBgDH=tWqeDxVH6YYSZ0ie7RrrZkqg@mail.gmail.com>

I gave a talk for the Hinduja Foundation that was subsequently published as
"Science and Vedic Studies" in JIP in 1998.  PDF
<https://www.academia.edu/492300/Science_and_Vedic_Studies>.  And although
not aimed at Indian materials, I made a preliminary exploration of issues
of trust in a lecture -> paper a few years ago.  I consider networks of
trust to be at the heart of the issue of scientific truth, following
Michael Polanyi.

Wujastyk, D. Baatz, U. & Biffl, G. (Eds.) "Whom Do We Trust? Authority,
Authenticity and the History of Science" in *Die Krise und das Gute Leben*,
N? Forschungs- und Bildungsges. m?.H und Donau-Universit?t Krems (Hg.),
2015, 37-46.

also at the academia.edu site, I believe.

There are other critical writings on this topic, including especially works
by Mira Nanda <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meera_Nanda>.  Her 2016
essays *Science
in Saffron: Skeptical Essays on History of Science* is good but hard to
get.  Her best-known work is *Prophets Facing Backwards*.

Best,
Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 19:03, Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> https://www.frontline.in/the-nation/article25437649.ece
>
> "Engineering students across the country will be introduced to a new kind
> of ?science fiction? in the next academic year, thanks to the All India
> Council of Technical Education (AICTE)....
>
> what is seen as an attempt to instil pride and awareness about India's
> fabled past so that they are not swept off their feet by the advancements
> in science and technology in the West.
>
> The objective might be laudable, but the claims made in ?Bharatiya Vidya
> Saar?, edited by Dr Shashibala, have drawn flak."
>
>
>
> I have heard that Dominik has written one or two articles that address
> some the more outrageous of these claims.
>
> Are those available anywhere? Are there papers by others as well?
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
>
>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 02:06:53 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 18 19:06:53 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nirnaya Sagar Fonts are at finishing stage of development
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This is a wonderful projecxt!  Your digital fonts look superb, and - to me
- almost indistinguishable from the originals.  I very much look forward to
trying your fonts when they are available.

Thank you!

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 19:33, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear all
> The fonts are getting developed and will be published in the month of
> February or March. The following mails will have more samples and any
> suggestions corrections are welcome.
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From McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au  Mon Nov 19 03:12:23 2018
From: McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au (McComas Taylor)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 03:12:23 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Small dish with Ranjana inscription
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Dear Colleagues


I wonder if any of you multi-talented folk can help me read the inscription on this small Chinese ceramic from the Ardebil shrine?


Yours sincerely


McComas


[cid:cc4b5039-2ab3-4869-88d1-bd7a7c8fcf33]

McComas Taylor
Associate Professor
Reader in Sanskrit
College of Asia and the Pacific
The Australian National University
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From bill.m.mak at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 03:49:46 2018
From: bill.m.mak at gmail.com (Bill Mak)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 12:49:46 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Small dish with Ranjana inscription
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Dear McComas,
This is a typical Buddhist votive object with Sinitic n?gar? script. The eight petals: o? ma?i padme h?? (counter-clockwise) and the b?ja letter hr?? in the center. The outer ring must be another dh?ra??. Tony Lin has a number of works in Chinese discussing all these objects. I am happy to share the bibliography if it is of interest to you.
BM

-- 
Bill M. Mak

Institute for Research in Humanities, Kyoto University
Yoshidahonmachi, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8501
Japan
?606-8501 ??????????
???????????

Tel:+81-75-753-6961
Fax:+81-75-753-6903

copies of my publications may be found at:
http://www.billmak.com <http://www.billmak.com/>
http://kyoto-u.academia.edu/BillMak

> On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:12 PM, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Colleagues
> 
> I wonder if any of you multi-talented folk can help me read the inscription on this small Chinese ceramic from the Ardebil shrine?
> 
> Yours sincerely
> 
> McComas
> 
> 
> 
> McComas Taylor
> Associate Professor
> Reader in Sanskrit
> College of Asia and the Pacific
> The Australian National University
> WSC Website <http://www.wsc2021.com.au/>| McC Website <https://sites.google.com/site/mccomasanu/>Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Mon Nov 19 05:47:48 2018
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 05:47:48 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fw:  Small dish with Ranjana inscription
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Actually, the object is botched in the manner of many Chinese manufactured objects drawing on esoteric Buddhist motifs. It has nothing to do with Tibetan. The central mantra is supposed to be O? ma ?i pa dme h?? sv? h?, but in fact, if read clockwise it is

O? dme pa ?i ma h?? sv? h?, or if read counterclockwise

O? h? sv? h??  ma ?i pa dme .

In other words, wrong either way.


The longer surrounding dh?ra?? in a sort of funky devan?gar? I've not tried to sort out.


Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Bill Mak via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 9:49:46 PM
To: Taylor McComas
Cc: indology
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Small dish with Ranjana inscription

Dear McComas,
This is a typical Buddhist votive object with Sinitic n?gar? script. The eight petals: o? ma?i padme h?? (counter-clockwise) and the b?ja letter hr?? in the center. The outer ring must be another dh?ra??. Tony Lin has a number of works in Chinese discussing all these objects. I am happy to share the bibliography if it is of interest to you.
BM

--
Bill M. Mak

Institute for Research in Humanities, Kyoto University
Yoshidahonmachi, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8501
Japan
?606-8501 ??????????
???????????

Tel:+81-75-753-6961
Fax:+81-75-753-6903

copies of my publications may be found at:
http://www.billmak.com
http://kyoto-u.academia.edu/BillMak

On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:12 PM, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear Colleagues

I wonder if any of you multi-talented folk can help me read the inscription on this small Chinese ceramic from the Ardebil shrine?

Yours sincerely

McComas




McComas Taylor
Associate Professor
Reader in Sanskrit
College of Asia and the Pacific
The Australian National University
WSC Website<http://www.wsc2021.com.au/>| McC Website<https://sites.google.com/site/mccomasanu/>
Tel: +61 2 6125 3179

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From bill.m.mak at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 06:07:36 2018
From: bill.m.mak at gmail.com (Bill Mak)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 15:07:36 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fw:  Small dish with Ranjana inscription
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR1101MB22114BA14EB9C2A59AEA233AA1D80@BN6PR1101MB2211.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Matthew,
Indeed, the artist must have got ma?ipadme transposed. It should have been read clockwise. I was guessing the outer mantra to be the popular Vajrasattvamantra. But apparently the mantra here has more than 100 syllables.
BM

> On Nov 19, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
>  
> Actually, the object is botched in the manner of many Chinese manufactured objects drawing on esoteric Buddhist motifs. It has nothing to do with Tibetan. The central mantra is supposed to be O? ma ?i pa dme h?? sv? h?, but in fact, if read clockwise it is
> O? dme pa ?i ma h?? sv? h?, or if read counterclockwise
> O? h? sv? h??  ma ?i pa dme .
> In other words, wrong either way.
> 
> The longer surrounding dh?ra?? in a sort of funky devan?gar? I've not tried to sort out.
> 
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes, 
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
> 
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Bill Mak via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 9:49:46 PM
> To: Taylor McComas
> Cc: indology
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Small dish with Ranjana inscription
>  
> Dear McComas,
> This is a typical Buddhist votive object with Sinitic n?gar? script. The eight petals: o? ma?i padme h?? (counter-clockwise) and the b?ja letter hr?? in the center. The outer ring must be another dh?ra??. Tony Lin has a number of works in Chinese discussing all these objects. I am happy to share the bibliography if it is of interest to you.
> BM
> 
> -- 
> Bill M. Mak
> 
> Institute for Research in Humanities, Kyoto University
> Yoshidahonmachi, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto 606-8501
> Japan
> ?606-8501 ??????????
> ???????????
> 
> Tel:+81-75-753-6961
> Fax:+81-75-753-6903
> 
> copies of my publications may be found at:
> http://www.billmak.com <http://www.billmak.com/>
> http://kyoto-u.academia.edu/BillMak <http://kyoto-u.academia.edu/BillMak>
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:12 PM, McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Colleagues
>> 
>> I wonder if any of you multi-talented folk can help me read the inscription on this small Chinese ceramic from the Ardebil shrine?
>> 
>> Yours sincerely
>> 
>> McComas
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> McComas Taylor
>> Associate Professor
>> Reader in Sanskrit
>> College of Asia and the Pacific
>> The Australian National University
>> WSC Website <http://www.wsc2021.com.au/>| McC Website <https://sites.google.com/site/mccomasanu/>Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
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From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 19 08:46:34 2018
From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 08:46:34 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_paper_by_G._Bhattacharya_in_E=E1=B9=AD=E1=B9=AD=C4=81vatu_Ulakat_Tamil=CC=B2_M=C4=81n=C4=81=E1=B9=AD=E1=B9=ADu_cir=CC=B2appu_malar?=
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Dear colleagues,

Aware of the fact that it has been reprinted in the same author's Essays on Buddhist, Hindu, Jain iconography & epigraphy (Dhaka 2000), I am wondering if someone could help me obtain a pdf of the original version of this article:

Bhattacharya, Gouriswar. 1995. ?K??ch? monks at Kukkutap?da-giri-vih?ra.? In E???vatu Ulakat Tamil? M?n???u cir?appu malar (International Conference-Seminar of Tamil Studies), 89?93. Ta?c?v?r: Karnatait Tamil?c Ca?kam.

I am not 100% sure this bibliographic reference is correct, but think the paper must have appeared in this "souvenir brought out during the 8th International Conference-Seminar of Tamil Studies, held at Thanj?v?r, in January 1995" (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/916278945).

Thank you, and best wishes,

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From anuj.misra at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 11:06:15 2018
From: anuj.misra at gmail.com (AJ Misra)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 12:06:15 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The online catalogue of MS collection of Anand Ashram Pune
Message-ID: <CAFVPNknbxMhzncve+uCbenTmuLU8H42qfDxreyLX5PrXCYktiA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

It has just been brought to my notice that Anand Ashram Pune have begun
making their catalogue of Sanskrit manuscripts, including the costs for
acquiring copies, online on their website at
http://www.aanandashram-sanstha.org/Manuscript_Summary.html.

This is a great initiative by Mr Vasant Apte (managing trustee). I visited
Anand Ashram back in May-June 2017 and at the time, I had a chance to talk
to Mr Apte and recommended that he convince the board of trustees to fund a
digitisation project, starting with an online catalogue of the 15,000+
manuscripts in their collection. I am delighted to hear that they have
begun this task. I think the web catalogue is a little buggy so please feel
free to contact Mr Apte directly at
anandashramsan at gmail.com. I think the more contact/feedback smaller private
institutions receive from scholars, the more inclined they'd be to make
their collection available to us.

I attach the letter Mr Apte very kindly sent me below.

[image: Mail from Anandashram Sanstha.jpeg]

Best regards,

Anuj
-- 
Dr Anuj Misra
Visiting Postdoctoral Fellow
Department I: Structural Changes in Systems of Knowledge
Max Planck Institute for the History of Science
22 Boltzmannstra?e
14195 Berlin GERMANY

+49-(0)30-22667-174
amisra at mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de
www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de

Postdoctoral Research Affiliate (2018?2019)
*Syt?mes de R?f?rence Temps Espace* (SYRTE) Laboratory, Observatoire de
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From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 12:49:22 2018
From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 18:19:22 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for identification of two manuscripts
Message-ID: <CADSGPzW2Q+kh3c=Hv2VgQRxRr2JMou5ewjTjAmzhvC8oTqkXjw@mail.gmail.com>

Respected Scholars,

I am seeking the help of scholars who are well versed in Prakrit and
related languages to help me in classifying or correcting the data of the
below mentioned two manuscripts of Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan.

1. https://archive.org/details/chandahshastra-CGV-VRT-P0001
2. https://archive.org/details/vairagyashataka_-CGV-VRT-P0002

The details shown on the information slip pasted on the books are as
follows:
1. Title - ChandaHSAstra. Incomplete. Folio 1 missing.
2. Title - vairAgyaSataka (?) - an Ardh. work with Gujarati narratives.
Fairly old. First folio missing.

I can ascertain that the narratives in the second work are in old Gujarati
language.

I am not able to read Prakrit. May I request the scholars who can read the
language to shed some more light on the content / author / title of the
works or ascertain that they are correctly reflected in the information
slip? This would make the metadata of the scanned manuscript better and
help others.

-- 
Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S
Collector and District Magistrate, Surat
www.sanskritworld.in


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From andrew.ollett at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 13:14:40 2018
From: andrew.ollett at gmail.com (Andrew Ollett)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 08:14:40 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for identification of two manuscripts
In-Reply-To: <CADSGPzW2Q+kh3c=Hv2VgQRxRr2JMou5ewjTjAmzhvC8oTqkXjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAANHO14SAEU--VT+mNkGhQCcX4HnpkMaCpvjdk1x-tZNOp_WMg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dr. Patel,

The first work is the Pr?kr?tapi?gala (or Pr?kr?tapai?gala), which is
available in a very nice edition by Bhola Shankar Vyas from 2007. It is a
work of Chanda???stra, although its language is generally more Apabhramsha
than Prakrit.

Andrew

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 7:57 AM Dhaval Patel via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Respected Scholars,
>
> I am seeking the help of scholars who are well versed in Prakrit and
> related languages to help me in classifying or correcting the data of the
> below mentioned two manuscripts of Chunilal Gandhi Vidyabhavan.
>
> 1. https://archive.org/details/chandahshastra-CGV-VRT-P0001
> 2. https://archive.org/details/vairagyashataka_-CGV-VRT-P0002
>
> The details shown on the information slip pasted on the books are as
> follows:
> 1. Title - ChandaHSAstra. Incomplete. Folio 1 missing.
> 2. Title - vairAgyaSataka (?) - an Ardh. work with Gujarati narratives.
> Fairly old. First folio missing.
>
> I can ascertain that the narratives in the second work are in old Gujarati
> language.
>
> I am not able to read Prakrit. May I request the scholars who can read the
> language to shed some more light on the content / author / title of the
> works or ascertain that they are correctly reflected in the information
> slip? This would make the metadata of the scanned manuscript better and
> help others.
>
> --
> Dr. Dhaval Patel, I.A.S
> Collector and District Magistrate, Surat
> www.sanskritworld.in
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From karolindubois at yahoo.fr  Mon Nov 19 15:03:24 2018
From: karolindubois at yahoo.fr (Caroline DUBOIS)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 16:03:24 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Questions about Octavio Paz's Indian sources
Message-ID: <696D5C4E-F457-4151-AFB7-A037949F4214@yahoo.fr>

Dear Colleagues, 

I am working on a PhD thesis in Spanish studies about the influence of Indian cultures on Octavio Paz?s poetry, in Lille University. Although I have some knowledge of Sanskrit, it is still very limited. 

In the Monkey Grammarian, the following excerpt looks like the translation of a liturgical hymn: 

 ?Brotan los arroyos de mantequilla (la verga de oro est? en el centro), corren como r?os, se reparten y huyen como gacelas ante el cazador, saltan como mujeres que van a una cita de amor, las cucharadas de mantequilla acarician al le?o abrasado y el Fuego las acepta complacido.? (Original text, published in 1974)

?Jaillissent les ruisseaux de beurre (la verge d?or est au centre), ils roulent comme les fleuves, se divisent et fuient telles devant le chasseur les gazelles, sautent comme des femmes courant au rendez-vous d?amour, les cuiller?es de beurre caressent les b?ches embras?es et le Feu s?y compla?t et les accepte.? (French translation published in 1972, before the original Spanish text).  

I thought it was written after a Vedic hymn but I was unable to find anything similar in the R?gveda. I would be very grateful if somebody can identify the original text. 

Besides, in the epigraph of the same book, Paz quotes Dowson, A classical Dictionary of Hindu Mythology:

?Hanum?n was a grammarian; and the R?m?yana says: ?The chief of monkeys is perfect; no one equals him in the s?stras, in learning, and in ascertaining the sense of scriptures (or moving at will). It is is well known that Hanum?n was the ninth author of grammar?.?

Would anybody know where I could find more information about that tradition of grammarians?
Are there anymore informations than what is given by Muir and Colebrooke?


I thank you in advance for your help
Kind regards, 

Caroline Parvaty Dubois



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From shenyiming.bas at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 15:40:37 2018
From: shenyiming.bas at gmail.com (Yiming)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 16:40:37 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Coffee Break Conference Oxford, 4-6 Dec. (flyer attached)
Message-ID: <CAHKdJ05dMBHecxs1s+u_cxu6K61FLRoO+Y4by7tWCcH+KYw8Nw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,


We are happy to announce that the 9th Coffee Break Conference, with the
theme "Science and Technology in Premodern Asia", will be hosted at Wolfson
College, University of Oxford, on 4-6 December 2018.

Please find attached a new version of the flyer of the conference, with the
names of the presenters.

We will be more than happy to answer any questions in the following email
address: yiming.shen at wolfson.ox.ac.uk



Looking forward to hearing from / seeing you soon,

Yiming


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Nov 19 15:56:55 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 07:56:55 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzc5y1Ba0Kyd1p77P23jeo=X30MbJZrx52NSwF7kTn93Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses

????? ?????: ?????: ????? ???????: ?
???? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ???: ???????
Krishna is loving like a mother and compassionate like a father. Like the
sky, he blankets everyone with his love.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From john.darumadera at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 17:06:31 2018
From: john.darumadera at gmail.com (John Huntington)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 12:06:31 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Small dish with Ranjana inscription
In-Reply-To: <ME2PR01MB4258D75A53050C6EA23F39A9AED80@ME2PR01MB4258.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGbyd20zJ5yaHtYyERoY1SZ=gnK2Re_p8ByVZTp9PRgos2e=HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Attached is a PNG file explaining the center of the dish
Suggestion and or corrections will be most welcome

John

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 10:13 PM McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues
>
>
> I wonder if any of you multi-talented folk can help me read the
> inscription on this small Chinese ceramic from the Ardebil shrine?
>
>
> Yours sincerely
>
>
> McComas
>
>
>
>
> *McComas Taylor*
> Associate Professor
> Reader in Sanskrit
> College of Asia and the Pacific
> The Australian National University
> WSC Website <http://www.wsc2021.com.au>| McC Website
> <https://sites.google.com/site/mccomasanu/>
> Tel: +61 2 6125 3179
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From georges.pinault at wanadoo.fr  Mon Nov 19 21:25:15 2018
From: georges.pinault at wanadoo.fr (Georges PINAULT)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 18 22:25:15 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Questions about Octavio Paz's Indian sources
Message-ID: <2514433.10893.1542662715715.JavaMail.www@wwinf2227>

Dear Caroline Dubois, ? Thanks for your query. It would be extremely interesting to search for the Indian sources of some of the themes of Octavio Paz. The? title Monkey Grammarian evokes "Classical" India by itself. I have identified the sources of the quotation which you give: it corresponds clearly to RigVeda 4.58, a famous hymn, so called "mystical" hymn, to the sacrificial clarified butter, which is identified to the soma. I cannot comment here on this wonderful hymn, but it is translated in several anthologies, in addition to the complete translations of the RigVeda (Geldner, 1951 and now Jamison & Brereton, 2014) : see for instance L. Renou, Hymnes sp?culatifs du Veda, Paris, 1956, pp. 33-35. The text of Octavio Paz is some kind of paraphrase/synthesis of the stanzas 5 to 8 (see precisely p. 34 of Renou's book) of RV 4.58. The wording of the quotation which you give corresponds precisely to some passages of Renou's translation. This hymn has been translated two other times by Renou, first in Hymnes et pri?res du Veda, Paris, 1938, p. 47-48. Since Paz, if I am? not mistaken, spent some time in France, I do not exclude, and even I surmise, that he has known Renou's translations. It would be interesting to check which of Renou's translations he has effectively used for this transposition.?
I remain at your disposal for further information. Best wishes, ? Georges-Jean Pinault (EPHE, Paris)
?
?
?
?
> Message du 19/11/18 16:04> De : "Caroline DUBOIS via INDOLOGY" > A : indology at list.indology.info> Copie ? : > Objet : [INDOLOGY] Questions about Octavio Paz's Indian sources> >
Dear Colleagues,?
?
I am working on a PhD thesis in Spanish studies about the influence of Indian cultures on Octavio Paz?s poetry, in Lille University. Although I have some knowledge of Sanskrit, it is still very limited.?
?
In the Monkey Grammarian, the following excerpt looks like the translation of a liturgical hymn:?
?
??Brotan los arroyos de mantequilla (la verga de oro est? en el centro), corren como r?os, se reparten y huyen como gacelas ante el cazador, saltan como mujeres que van a una cita de amor, las cucharadas de mantequilla acarician al le?o abrasado y el Fuego las acepta complacido.? (Original text, published in 1974)
?
?Jaillissent les ruisseaux de beurre (la verge d?or est au centre), ils roulent comme les fleuves, se divisent et fuient telles devant le chasseur les gazelles, sautent comme des femmes courant au rendez-vous d?amour, les cuiller?es de beurre caressent les b?ches embras?es et le Feu s?y compla?t et les accepte.? (French translation published in 1972, before the original Spanish text). ?

I thought it was written after a Vedic hymn but I was unable to find anything similar in the R?gveda. I would be very grateful if somebody can identify the original text.?
?
Besides, in the epigraph of the same book, Paz quotes Dowson, A classical Dictionary of Hindu Mythology:
?
?Hanum?n was a grammarian; and the R?m?yana says: ?The chief of monkeys is perfect; no one equals him in the s?stras, in learning, and in ascertaining the sense of scriptures (or moving at will). It is is well known that Hanum?n was the ninth author of grammar?.?
?
Would anybody know where I could find more information about that tradition of grammarians?
Are there anymore informations than what is given by Muir and Colebrooke?
?
?
I thank you in advance for your help
Kind regards,?
?
Caroline Parvaty Dubois
?
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From bill.m.mak at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 00:37:29 2018
From: bill.m.mak at gmail.com (Bill Mak)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 18 09:37:29 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The online catalogue of MS collection of Anand Ashram Pune
In-Reply-To: <CAFVPNknbxMhzncve+uCbenTmuLU8H42qfDxreyLX5PrXCYktiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E9D0BE7-18D7-4793-B284-330D5C1F1A0E@gmail.com>

Thanks, AJ. This is great news. I was impressed to see that they have over 1300+ jyoti?a mss alone. Though the catalogue is not available online except for a few categories, if I am not mistaken, they are charging at 8 INR (or 1 USD!) per folio.

When I was in India last January looking for jyoti?a manuscripts at the Asiatic Society, National Library (Calcutta) and various archives in Varanasi, the circumstances were often difficult and complicated. Though I did find most of the things I was looking for at the end thanks to all the helps I received, I came to the conclusion that one of the best archives of Sanskrit jyoti?a mss is in fact Pingree?s collection at the John Hay Library, Brown University!
 
-- 
Bill M. Mak, PhD

Associate Professor
Institute for Research in Humanities, Kyoto University
Yoshidahonmachi, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto, Japan 606-8501
?606-8501 ??????????
???????????

email: mak at zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Tel:+81-75-753-6961
Fax:+81-75-753-6903

copies of my publications may be found at:
http://www.billmak.com
http://kyoto-u.academia.edu/BillMak

> On Nov 19, 2018, at 8:06 PM, AJ Misra via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> It has just been brought to my notice that Anand Ashram Pune have begun making their catalogue of Sanskrit manuscripts, including the costs for acquiring copies, online on their website at http://www.aanandashram-sanstha.org/Manuscript_Summary.html <http://www.aanandashram-sanstha.org/Manuscript_Summary.html>. 
> 
> This is a great initiative by Mr Vasant Apte (managing trustee). I visited Anand Ashram back in May-June 2017 and at the time, I had a chance to talk to Mr Apte and recommended that he convince the board of trustees to fund a digitisation project, starting with an online catalogue of the 15,000+ manuscripts in their collection. I am delighted to hear that they have begun this task. I think the web catalogue is a little buggy so please feel free to contact Mr Apte directly at 
> anandashramsan at gmail.com <mailto:anandashramsan at gmail.com>. I think the more contact/feedback smaller private institutions receive from scholars, the more inclined they'd be to make their collection available to us.
> 
> I attach the letter Mr Apte very kindly sent me below.
> 
> <Mail from Anandashram Sanstha.jpeg>
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Anuj  
> -- 
> Dr Anuj Misra
> Visiting Postdoctoral Fellow
> Department I: Structural Changes in Systems of Knowledge
> Max Planck Institute for the History of Science
> 22 Boltzmannstra?e
> 14195 Berlin GERMANY
> 
> +49-(0)30-22667-174
> amisra at mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de <mailto:amisra at mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de>
> www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de <http://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/>
> 
> Postdoctoral Research Affiliate (2018?2019)
> Syt?mes de R?f?rence Temps Espace (SYRTE) Laboratory, Observatoire de Paris, FRANCE
> https://syrte.obspm.fr <https://syrte.obspm.fr/>
> _______________________________________________
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From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 08:57:41 2018
From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 18 14:27:41 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for identification of two manuscripts
In-Reply-To: <CAANHO14SAEU--VT+mNkGhQCcX4HnpkMaCpvjdk1x-tZNOp_WMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADSGPzWVMjiTCBwv+PkM_kUuGNMw6R6cgR8fyDbGwtUTEeYV5w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mr. Ollett,
Thanks indeed for the pointer regarding manuscript 1.


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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Tue Nov 20 16:14:42 2018
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 18 17:14:42 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
Message-ID: <CALNcvFukNBgj9AxffDq3Vzed3pYaUwTg=kw-h5UNCLuAB3xNcA@mail.gmail.com>

pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni.

Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?

Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?

Artur Karp (ret)
Chair of South Asian Studies,
University of Warsaw
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Tue Nov 20 16:43:22 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 18 08:43:22 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzeXxQpfkWXRDGZicG6FpqwdnqYE8X0dcEWPJwNFxgBLfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

??????? ????????: ??????????????? ?
??????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ????????? ???????
Krishna, love embodied, flows like a river in this world touching all
beings and cleansing all evil.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Tue Nov 20 17:39:26 2018
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 18 17:39:26 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFukNBgj9AxffDq3Vzed3pYaUwTg=kw-h5UNCLuAB3xNcA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Artur,
I assume you know Johannes Bronkhorst's article in AS/EA LXIII/I (2009), pp. 7-27, "Hendrik Kern and the body of the Buddha"
I think it is very unlikely that the Buddha's body, or that of any other king (Da?aratha in R?m 2.60.12-14, 2.70.4) was laid down in a tub filled with hot oil, frying him like french fries. We are dealing with a process of embalming.

Herman


Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>
________________________________
Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Artur Karp via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2018 17:14
Aan: indology
Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil

pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni.

Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?

Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?

Artur Karp (ret)
Chair of South Asian Studies,
University of Warsaw
Poland


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From slaje at kabelmail.de  Tue Nov 20 22:01:35 2018
From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 18 23:01:35 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
In-Reply-To: <EA8F815D502BC14097213C5D85BA1C6549B94E7F@SPMXM07.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nXZRyU_RySztz8U2Wf=o2goUvCtKC=WgTTfnu-yiJB0zw@mail.gmail.com>

> frying him like french fries

those who are never averse to joking yet take a more serious interest in
this matter are advised to study the paper of Oskar von Hin?ber: Cremated
Like a King. The Funeral of the Buddha within the Ancient Indian Cultural
Context. JICPBS 13. 2009, pp. 33-66.

Regards, WS

-----------------------------
Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
Deutschland

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.

Am Di., 20. Nov. 2018 um 18:39 Uhr schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> Dear Artur,
> I assume you know Johannes Bronkhorst's article in AS/EA LXIII/I (2009),
> pp. 7-27, "Hendrik Kern and the body of the Buddha"
> I think it is very unlikely that the Buddha's body, or that of any other
> king (Da?aratha in R?m 2.60.12-14, 2.70.4) was laid down in a tub filled
> with hot oil, frying him like french fries. We are dealing with a process
> of embalming.
>
> Herman
>
>
> Herman Tieken
> Stationsweg 58
> 2515 BP Den Haag
> The Netherlands
> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
> website: hermantieken.com
> ------------------------------
> *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Artur Karp
> via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 20 november 2018 17:14
> *Aan:* indology
> *Onderwerp:* [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
>
> pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni.
>
> Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?
>
> Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?
>
> Artur Karp (ret)
> Chair of South Asian Studies,
> University of Warsaw
> Poland
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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> committee)
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Wed Nov 21 00:37:21 2018
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 18 01:37:21 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
In-Reply-To: <CALoZ1nXZRyU_RySztz8U2Wf=o2goUvCtKC=WgTTfnu-yiJB0zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFv7zpQvbS_VWP_hb3Eb-L4Cc+BOEk50tZH-BW6j5mF=Rg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Professors,

John S. Strong's "Relics of the Buddha" is slightly earlier (2004) than
both the papers you mention (2009). I do not have access to  them. Do they
bring any new data re the funeral ceremony of the Buddha - as described and
discussed in detail by Strong?

If you, by any chance, possess the PDFs of them, I'd be extremely grateful
for the opportunity to read them

The sudden appearance of the iron tub in the MPSutta (808, 811) raises the
question of its original purpose. When filled with oil - couldn't it be
used to quench iron?

Respects,

Artur Karp


wt., 20 lis 2018 o 23:02 Walter Slaje <slaje at kabelmail.de> napisa?(a):

> > frying him like french fries
>
> those who are never averse to joking yet take a more serious interest in
> this matter are advised to study the paper of Oskar von Hin?ber: Cremated
> Like a King. The Funeral of the Buddha within the Ancient Indian Cultural
> Context. JICPBS 13. 2009, pp. 33-66.
>
> Regards, WS
>
> -----------------------------
> Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
> Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
> D-99425 Weimar
> Deutschland
>
> Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
> studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
> non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
> sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
> humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
> Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.
>
> Am Di., 20. Nov. 2018 um 18:39 Uhr schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info>:
>
>> Dear Artur,
>> I assume you know Johannes Bronkhorst's article in AS/EA LXIII/I (2009),
>> pp. 7-27, "Hendrik Kern and the body of the Buddha"
>> I think it is very unlikely that the Buddha's body, or that of any other
>> king (Da?aratha in R?m 2.60.12-14, 2.70.4) was laid down in a tub filled
>> with hot oil, frying him like french fries. We are dealing with a process
>> of embalming.
>>
>> Herman
>>
>>
>> Herman Tieken
>> Stationsweg 58
>> 2515 BP Den Haag
>> The Netherlands
>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
>> website: hermantieken.com
>> ------------------------------
>> *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Artur Karp
>> via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 20 november 2018 17:14
>> *Aan:* indology
>> *Onderwerp:* [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
>>
>> pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni.
>>
>> Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?
>>
>> Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?
>>
>> Artur Karp (ret)
>> Chair of South Asian Studies,
>> University of Warsaw
>> Poland
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Wed Nov 21 08:20:28 2018
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 18 08:20:28 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFv7zpQvbS_VWP_hb3Eb-L4Cc+BOEk50tZH-BW6j5mF=Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EA8F815D502BC14097213C5D85BA1C6549B94EEE@SPMXM07.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>

Dear Artur, as far as I know, both articles (AS/AS and JICPBS) are freely available. Just google. Herman

Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>
________________________________
Van: Artur Karp [karp at uw.edu.pl]
Verzonden: woensdag 21 november 2018 1:37
Aan: Walter Slaje
CC: Tieken, H.J.H.; indology
Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil

Dear Professors,

John S. Strong's "Relics of the Buddha" is slightly earlier (2004) than both the papers you mention (2009). I do not have access to  them. Do they bring any new data re the funeral ceremony of the Buddha - as described and discussed in detail by Strong?

If you, by any chance, possess the PDFs of them, I'd be extremely grateful for the opportunity to read them

The sudden appearance of the iron tub in the MPSutta (808, 811) raises the question of its original purpose. When filled with oil - couldn't it be used to quench iron?

Respects,

Artur Karp


wt., 20 lis 2018 o 23:02 Walter Slaje <slaje at kabelmail.de<mailto:slaje at kabelmail.de>> napisa?(a):
> frying him like french fries

those who are never averse to joking yet take a more serious interest in this matter are advised to study the paper of Oskar von Hin?ber: Cremated Like a King. The Funeral of the Buddha within the Ancient Indian Cultural Context. JICPBS 13. 2009, pp. 33-66.

Regards, WS

-----------------------------
Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
Deutschland

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.

Am Di., 20. Nov. 2018 um 18:39 Uhr schrieb Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>:
Dear Artur,
I assume you know Johannes Bronkhorst's article in AS/EA LXIII/I (2009), pp. 7-27, "Hendrik Kern and the body of the Buddha"
I think it is very unlikely that the Buddha's body, or that of any other king (Da?aratha in R?m 2.60.12-14, 2.70.4) was laid down in a tub filled with hot oil, frying him like french fries. We are dealing with a process of embalming.

Herman


Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>
________________________________
Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>] namens Artur Karp via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>]
Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2018 17:14
Aan: indology
Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil

pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni.

Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?

Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?

Artur Karp (ret)
Chair of South Asian Studies,
University of Warsaw
Poland
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Nov 21 17:13:21 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 18 09:13:21 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help to convert dates
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfqjzHwq_yjTi6Qj_U3Lh4mek3QGnA3MaMcv7KzcZDTqg@mail.gmail.com>

I have been going over our family history where numerous dates are given in
Shaka era like "Shake 1839, Kartik Krishna 13."  Is there some online tool
to easily convert these dates to A.D.?  Any help will be greatly
appreciated.  With best wishes,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk  Wed Nov 21 17:26:00 2018
From: toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk (Toke Lindegaard Knudsen)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 18 17:26:00 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help to convert dates
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfqjzHwq_yjTi6Qj_U3Lh4mek3QGnA3MaMcv7KzcZDTqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40C1AE35-8922-4F4A-B89B-8209B27147A9@hum.ku.dk>

Dear Madhavi,

Yes, try the Pancanga on Michio Yano?s homepage:

http://www.cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~yanom/pancanga/index.html

Best wishes,
Toke



On Nov 21, 2018, at 18:14, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

I have been going over our family history where numerous dates are given in Shaka era like "Shake 1839, Kartik Krishna 13."  Is there some online tool to easily convert these dates to A.D.?  Any help will be greatly appreciated.  With best wishes,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]
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From toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk  Wed Nov 21 17:27:55 2018
From: toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk (Toke Lindegaard Knudsen)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 18 17:27:55 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help to convert dates
In-Reply-To: <40C1AE35-8922-4F4A-B89B-8209B27147A9@hum.ku.dk>
Message-ID: <B3906151-55C1-4859-83F1-3D4B9CC6A094@hum.ku.dk>

My apologies, Madhav, not Madhavi.



On Nov 21, 2018, at 18:26, Toke Lindegaard Knudsen via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear Madhavi,

Yes, try the Pancanga on Michio Yano?s homepage:

http://www.cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~yanom/pancanga/index.html

Best wishes,
Toke



On Nov 21, 2018, at 18:14, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

I have been going over our family history where numerous dates are given in Shaka era like "Shake 1839, Kartik Krishna 13."  Is there some online tool to easily convert these dates to A.D.?  Any help will be greatly appreciated.  With best wishes,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Wed Nov 21 17:34:52 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 18 09:34:52 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help to convert dates
In-Reply-To: <40C1AE35-8922-4F4A-B89B-8209B27147A9@hum.ku.dk>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfZeMzc2V4gnuC9t_tzDVqGszDwOPoR54xmZA2H_8y56Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Toke.  I just tried Yano's website.  It is amazing.  Now I can
figure out when my ancestors were born and died.  With best wishes,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:26 AM Toke Lindegaard Knudsen <
toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk> wrote:

> Dear Madhavi,
>
> Yes, try the Pancanga on Michio Yano?s homepage:
>
> http://www.cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp/~yanom/pancanga/index.html
>
> Best wishes,
> Toke
>
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2018, at 18:14, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> I have been going over our family history where numerous dates are given
> in Shaka era like "Shake 1839, Kartik Krishna 13."  Is there some online
> tool to easily convert these dates to A.D.?  Any help will be greatly
> appreciated.  With best wishes,
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus
> Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan
> [Residence: Campbell, California]
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 19:33:59 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 18 12:33:59 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Hartsuiker Archive
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Ccu0cLQdUai_QymG9P_kN4K+mwamFaOvWVrdxKvS3ZmJw@mail.gmail.com>

The Hathayoga Project "resources" page points to the Hartsuiker Archive of
1900 photos at the British Library.  This is an amazing resource.  But
the British
Museum link
<http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/collection_image_gallery.aspx?assetId=1612938283&objectId=3628111&partId=1#more-views>
has stopped working.  Using keywords it is possible to find a lot of the
Hartsuiker images, but only in a kind of haphazard manner.

Does anybody here know whether the BL has a (new?) "Hartsuiker Digital
Collection" page that showcases the collection properly?  I can't find one.

Best,
Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Nov 22 01:12:54 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 18 17:12:54 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dze+NZvdAWUYOqbpEqGND+1n5jKSxTdMfbnpS0PA0Nii8A@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

?????? ?? ??? ?????: ?????? ??????????? ?
?????? ???? ??????? ????????? ???????? ???????? ???????
My friend Krishna is very handsome and he always appears in all different
forms. There is not a single form in the world which is not a beautiful
face of Krishna.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 03:37:40 2018
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 18 12:37:40 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yogascapes in Japan conference 2.0 in 2019
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrBxtg2TzF6BHzWZJms3BE4oQWJkLdz5zk43F04BqE_nXA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

Some of you might be interested in this next conference I'm putting
together for July, 2019 in Kyoto, Japan.

https://www.yogascapesinjapan.com/yogascapes-conference-2019.html


All the best,

????? ???????
Patrick McCartney, PhD
JSPS Fellow - Graduate School of Global Environmental Studies, Kyoto
University, Japan
Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya,
Japan
Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
National University

Skype - psdmccartney
Phone + Whatsapp:  +81-80-9811-3235
Twitter - @psdmccartney

*bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)


Yogascapes in Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/>

Academia <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/>

   -

Linkedin
<https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>

Edanz <https://www.edanzediting.com/expert/anthropology/patrick-mccartney>

Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>


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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 04:29:11 2018
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 18 21:29:11 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Books
In-Reply-To: <C143BF00-5B46-4D5C-BA82-CB2047F57DC4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekYD-BjFQ-r_=mN7RL=Nvn5XqbihZ=qcuSXoqtKjtGLziQ@mail.gmail.com>

South Asia Books is still in business through Amazon. I ordered a book from
them through Amazon on Nov. 13. On Nov. 15 I got an email from Amazon
saying that the book had shipped. The book arrived on Nov. 20, sent
directly from South Asia Books, 2204 Nellwood Dr., Columbia, Missouri 65202
(so said the return address label). It was not done through Amazon
fulfillment.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.


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From mahabongo at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 11:23:27 2018
From: mahabongo at gmail.com (Matthew Clark)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 18 11:23:27 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Soma and hallucinations
Message-ID: <CAPhjsAdhXkXCQSgLQhcVWWcZXvsrXjX6DoOs34tsoX7JGzt+JA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,
this is a long-belated reply (I have just been in India without my
computer) to the very helpful post by Steve Farmer on 14th October 2018
concerning stimulants (such as ephedra), hallucinations and soma.

I am well aware that chronic, high-dose consumption of stimulants such as
ephedra, cocaine and amphetamines may engender hallucinations and all kinds
of strange experiences. (On hallucinations in general, I found
'Hallucinations' by Oliver Sacks quite useful.)

Hallucinations may arise, as Steve Farmer usefully observes, in anyone
whose default mode network has been interrupted by any means, whether that
be through drugs, self-flagellation or whatever. Robin Cahart-Harris et al.
have for several years been publishing interesting results of the action of
LSD and psilocybin on the DMN.

However, I believe that the core of the issue relating to soma/haoma is
whether or not soma/haoma was/is capable of inducing an 'entheogenic'
state. (We are of course in the area of tricky and contentious demarcation
criteria here.) I am not talking about strange hallucinogenic experiences
but an experience of what might be called 'divine transcendence'. Even high
doses of LSD in optimal, controlled conditions only induce a transcendent
experience in about 6% of subjects (see my book for references). Such
transcendent experiences may also involve hallucinations, but these are
secondary (and relatively insignificant) phenomena in the context of a
properly transcendent experience. Experience of the 'cosmic', non-dual void
or Godhead is the paramount and rarely obtained treasure.

This state may of course be obtained through a variety of means, but a
particular class of tryptamine alkaloids appears to have a unique capacity
for facilitating this rare state, namely LSD, psilocybin and DMT, which
share a very similar molecular structure. These are the 'classic'
tryptamines. They all bind to the 5HT 2A receptor site in the brain.

I don't believe that the Vedic kavis revered soma for its capacity to
induce hallucinations, but because it could, occasionally, permit access to
the divine light.

If we are looking for the divine entheogen, then I think we need to be
looking for a tryptamine of one kind or another. Psilocybin mushrooms can,
I believe, be confidently ruled out, for a variety of reasons. So, I
believe we need to consider DMT + MAOIs and ayahuasca analogues as
soma/haoma, most probably boosted in some instances (as in South America)
by other plants, such as ephedra (or coca in South America).

Soon, Matthew Clark.


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From saf at safarmer.com  Thu Nov 22 18:31:59 2018
From: saf at safarmer.com (Steve Farmer)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 18 10:31:59 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Soma and hallucinations
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Hi Matthew,

You write:

> Hallucinations may arise, as Steve Farmer usefully observes, in anyone whose default mode network has been interrupted by any means, whether that be through drugs, self-flagellation or whatever. Robin Cahart-Harris et al. have for several years been publishing interesting results of the action of LSD and psilocybin on the DMN.
> 
> However, I believe that the core of the issue relating to soma/haoma is whether or not soma/haoma was/is capable of inducing an 'entheogenic' state. (We are of course in the area of tricky and contentious demarcation criteria here.) I am not talking about strange hallucinogenic experiences but an experience of what might be called 'divine transcendence'. Even high doses of LSD in optimal, controlled conditions only induce a transcendent experience in about 6% of subjects (see my book for references). Such transcendent experiences may also involve hallucinations, but these are secondary (and relatively insignificant) phenomena in the context of a properly transcendent experience. Experience of the 'cosmic', non-dual void or Godhead is the paramount and rarely obtained treasure.

Oddly enough, extensive interviews we held in the mid 1990s with narcoleptics about their hallucinations ? including those triggered by chronic use of stimulants (mostly catecholamine agonists) ? almost always involved mention of interactions with disembodied spirits, demons, flight through the air, etc. 

In one remarkably common modern twist on these themes, abduction by aliens from outer space was also mentioned. :)

This is also a standard feature of so-called sleep paralysis (routinely referred to as ?ghost oppression? in Chinese traditions - see one classic study here http://tinyurl.com/y8qls65t <http://tinyurl.com/y8qls65t> ). Sleep paralysis is common not only in narcoleptics but can be triggered as well in just about anyone by chronic use of stimulants ? as well as by a wide range of behavioral interventions including ritualistic sleep deprivation, which also often involves stimulant use. 

So in my post I really didn?t have some kind of generic hallucinations in mind, but took it for granted that those involve visions of anthropomorphic beings of some sort, which are a regular feature of intense stimulant-induced hallucinations. This is also true of the auditory hallucinations in schizophrenics triggered by acute as well as chronic use of methamphetamine, cocaine, methylphenidate, and a wide range of other stimulants. 

A standard means of diagnosing suspected schizophrenic tendencies, in fact, in which auditory hallucinations are the most common type, comes in fact in what is known as an ?amphetamine challenge? or ?methylphenidate challenge.?  On this and related topics, see, e.g., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30460884 <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30460884>. 

Hence my suggestion that spiritual visions and auditory hallucinations of the sort we find in the soma hymns of the RV, and in a zillion other premodern sources throughout the world, could be triggered by virtually and drug that disrupts attentional neural networks involved in the integration of sensual, cognitive, and emotional information, including above all the known sensual integration systems in the insular cortex and nearby regions.  

I think there is good evidence that sleep systems, which also involve the insular cortex, take part in virtually all hallucinatory experiences in some way. For some further hints here, see, e.g. http://tinyurl.com/yckyupfk <http://tinyurl.com/yckyupfk>, where the list of related phenomena actually includes alien abductions! :)

I think all this really boosts your key argument, Matthew, which I find to be persuasive: that many different drugs could have triggered the kinds soma-like religious visions we find in Vedic sources. My only slight modification of your argument is that I think the evidence is clear that different classes of drugs lead to similar results, not just those we choose to classify as ?hallucinogens.? What is critical in my view, as I argued in my original post, isn?t the specific drug but what neural systems are perturbed.

Best wishes, and thanks much for your quite remarkable work. 

Below, to contextualize a bit what I say above, I reattach my fuller post on this from 10/24, which you mentioned in your note today, addressed to Mark Singleton.

Best wishes,

Steve Farmer
The Systems Biology Group
Palo Alto, California
saf at safarmer.com <mailto:saf at safarmer.com>

*****************
Dear Mark,

Thanks much for passing on this really interesting post from Matthew Clark, whose work I wasn?t aware of previously.

I?ve always viewed skeptically claims that all references to homa/soma over the long periods and vast regions in which its use was reported in antiquity referred to one psychoactive plant. I think that you and I discussed this at one point years ago. It is nice to see Matthew suggesting the same thing, backing his case with cross-cultural evidence involving ayahuasca, which has long been known to involve different mixtures of drugs in different S. American regions. 

That said, in discussing the different types of plants & drugs putatively linked to homa/soma, I suspect that Matthew underestimates the potential role of ephedra (or ephedrine), which like a long list of similar sympathomimetic drugs in modern use (cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine, methylphenidate, etc.) is capable with chronic use of triggering schizophrenic-like visions not substantially different from those produced (if more reliably) by the hallucinogenic substances used in ayahuasca or similar psychoactive mixtures in the premodern world.

Thus Matthew writes: 

>> 7. Ephedra is a mild stimulant, but like any stimulant, engenders a hangover. It is not visionary or psychedelic. 

A lot of medical evidence in fact exists that off-target effects of chronic use of ephedra and related sympathomimetic drugs do, in fact, include hallucinations, although that was not the reason the FDA banned ephedra?s use in 2004.  

I became aware of these issues when involved in the mid 1990s in studies of narcoleptics, whose treatment at the time commonly involved long-term use of high doses of methylphenidate, methamphetamine, and other sympathomimetics related structurally to the stimulants in ephedra. A frantic search was on at the time for replacements for those drugs since an increasing number of narcoleptics were having psychotic reactions to the drugs that involved visual and auditory hallucinations indistinguishable from those seen in schizophrenics and users of LSD and similar psychedelic drugs. 

New supposedly safer stimulants like modafinil eventually came on the market, but over time it turned out that hallucinations were among their common off-target effects as well. The reasons why that is try can be inferred from what I say below.

I solicited and collected in the mid 1990s numerous reports from narcoleptic patients, including some who became friends, of contacts with aliens (or alternately, depending on their cultural backgrounds) of communications with gods, angels, or demons, etc., attributable to the drugs and not the waking dreams narcoleptics (who are not psychotic) experience daily.

The evidence is very strong today that hallucinations of similar sorts can be triggered by many different kinds of drugs, not just those currently viewed as psychedelics. The similarities are explained by many recent fMRI and post-mortem anatomical studies that suggest that the main driver of hallucinations of all sorts involves disruptions of neural systems linking ?higher? cortical regions in the prefrontal cortex to subcortical networks and key integrative neural networks in the insula and linked cortical structures, e.g. the anterior cingulate. 

The key point here is that *any* disruptions to the default resting networks linking those regions ? whether deriving from ingestion of exogenous chemicals like those in ephedra or by specific neurological diseases (bipolar disorder, Parkinson?s, Alzheimer?s, Huntington?s disease, & many others that produce hallucinations) will lead to similar schizophrenic-like or waking-visions. 

For some suggestive evidence here, see this recent paper by a major group on auditory hallucinations in the _Schizophrenia Bulletin_ which suggests the existence of ?domain-general mechanisms for hallucinations? of all major types:

_Auditory Hallucinations and the Brain?s Resting-State Networks: Findings and Methodological Observations_:

Full paper downloadable here: http://tinyurl.com/ycfyhm5j <http://tinyurl.com/ycfyhm5j>

Other recent papers on Alzheimer?s disease and hallucinations and visual rather than auditory hallucinations come to the same conclusion. 

In sum, you can damage these networks in many different ways, but the existence of those disruptions and not the specific diseases or chemicals causing the damage is what defines the character of the hallucinations. 

And all this together implies that you will never be able to identify the drug or more likely multiple drugs behind the hoama/soma question from evidence in the different strata of Vedic or early Iranian texts describing the nature of the visions. Hallucinations on this model whether triggered by stimulants, psychedelics, intentionally cultivated visionary experience, visions induced by sleep deprivation, or for that matter a well-aimed hammer to the head can all be expected on a deep level to look pretty much the same.

Granted, however, that some hallucinations may be more pleasant than others:

https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/481451 <https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/481451>

Regards,
Steve Farmer

The Systems Biology Group
Palo Alto, California
saf at safarmer.com <mailto:saf at safarmer.com>



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From saf at safarmer.com  Thu Nov 22 18:36:51 2018
From: saf at safarmer.com (Steve Farmer)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 18 10:36:51 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Soma and hallucinations
In-Reply-To: <B7BBA185-28D2-4FFF-B03B-FAE6AC95DE0C@safarmer.com>
Message-ID: <DC6E058C-212C-4A00-BFA1-87A2ECFD8FC7@safarmer.com>

My apologies for a second post: the link to the classical paper on ?ghost oppression? I used apparently timed out. You can download the study from the first paper on that mentioned in this link to Google Scholar:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=ghost+oppression+1994&btnG= <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=ghost+oppression+1994&btnG=>

Steve Farmer

> On Nov 22, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Steve Farmer <saf at safarmer.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Matthew,
> 
> You write:
> 
>> Hallucinations may arise, as Steve Farmer usefully observes, in anyone whose default mode network has been interrupted by any means, whether that be through drugs, self-flagellation or whatever. Robin Cahart-Harris et al. have for several years been publishing interesting results of the action of LSD and psilocybin on the DMN.
>> 
>> However, I believe that the core of the issue relating to soma/haoma is whether or not soma/haoma was/is capable of inducing an 'entheogenic' state. (We are of course in the area of tricky and contentious demarcation criteria here.) I am not talking about strange hallucinogenic experiences but an experience of what might be called 'divine transcendence'. Even high doses of LSD in optimal, controlled conditions only induce a transcendent experience in about 6% of subjects (see my book for references). Such transcendent experiences may also involve hallucinations, but these are secondary (and relatively insignificant) phenomena in the context of a properly transcendent experience. Experience of the 'cosmic', non-dual void or Godhead is the paramount and rarely obtained treasure.
> 
> Oddly enough, extensive interviews we held in the mid 1990s with narcoleptics about their hallucinations ? including those triggered by chronic use of stimulants (mostly catecholamine agonists) ? almost always involved mention of interactions with disembodied spirits, demons, flight through the air, etc. 
> 
> In one remarkably common modern twist on these themes, abduction by aliens from outer space was also mentioned. :)
> 
> This is also a standard feature of so-called sleep paralysis (routinely referred to as ?ghost oppression? in Chinese traditions - see one classic study here http://tinyurl.com/y8qls65t <http://tinyurl.com/y8qls65t> ). Sleep paralysis is common not only in narcoleptics but can be triggered as well in just about anyone by chronic use of stimulants ? as well as by a wide range of behavioral interventions including ritualistic sleep deprivation, which also often involves stimulant use. 
> 
> So in my post I really didn?t have some kind of generic hallucinations in mind, but took it for granted that those involve visions of anthropomorphic beings of some sort, which are a regular feature of intense stimulant-induced hallucinations. This is also true of the auditory hallucinations in schizophrenics triggered by acute as well as chronic use of methamphetamine, cocaine, methylphenidate, and a wide range of other stimulants. 
> 
> A standard means of diagnosing suspected schizophrenic tendencies, in fact, in which auditory hallucinations are the most common type, comes in fact in what is known as an ?amphetamine challenge? or ?methylphenidate challenge.?  On this and related topics, see, e.g., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30460884 <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30460884>. 
> 
> Hence my suggestion that spiritual visions and auditory hallucinations of the sort we find in the soma hymns of the RV, and in a zillion other premodern sources throughout the world, could be triggered by virtually and drug that disrupts attentional neural networks involved in the integration of sensual, cognitive, and emotional information, including above all the known sensual integration systems in the insular cortex and nearby regions.  
> 
> I think there is good evidence that sleep systems, which also involve the insular cortex, take part in virtually all hallucinatory experiences in some way. For some further hints here, see, e.g. http://tinyurl.com/yckyupfk <http://tinyurl.com/yckyupfk>, where the list of related phenomena actually includes alien abductions! :)
> 
> I think all this really boosts your key argument, Matthew, which I find to be persuasive: that many different drugs could have triggered the kinds soma-like religious visions we find in Vedic sources. My only slight modification of your argument is that I think the evidence is clear that different classes of drugs lead to similar results, not just those we choose to classify as ?hallucinogens.? What is critical in my view, as I argued in my original post, isn?t the specific drug but what neural systems are perturbed.
> 
> Best wishes, and thanks much for your quite remarkable work. 
> 
> Below, to contextualize a bit what I say above, I reattach my fuller post on this from 10/24, which you mentioned in your note today, addressed to Mark Singleton.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Steve Farmer
> The Systems Biology Group
> Palo Alto, California
> saf at safarmer.com <mailto:saf at safarmer.com>
> 
> *****************
> Dear Mark,
> 
> Thanks much for passing on this really interesting post from Matthew Clark, whose work I wasn?t aware of previously.
> 
> I?ve always viewed skeptically claims that all references to homa/soma over the long periods and vast regions in which its use was reported in antiquity referred to one psychoactive plant. I think that you and I discussed this at one point years ago. It is nice to see Matthew suggesting the same thing, backing his case with cross-cultural evidence involving ayahuasca, which has long been known to involve different mixtures of drugs in different S. American regions. 
> 
> That said, in discussing the different types of plants & drugs putatively linked to homa/soma, I suspect that Matthew underestimates the potential role of ephedra (or ephedrine), which like a long list of similar sympathomimetic drugs in modern use (cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine, methylphenidate, etc.) is capable with chronic use of triggering schizophrenic-like visions not substantially different from those produced (if more reliably) by the hallucinogenic substances used in ayahuasca or similar psychoactive mixtures in the premodern world.
> 
> Thus Matthew writes: 
> 
>>> 7. Ephedra is a mild stimulant, but like any stimulant, engenders a hangover. It is not visionary or psychedelic. 
> 
> A lot of medical evidence in fact exists that off-target effects of chronic use of ephedra and related sympathomimetic drugs do, in fact, include hallucinations, although that was not the reason the FDA banned ephedra?s use in 2004.  
> 
> I became aware of these issues when involved in the mid 1990s in studies of narcoleptics, whose treatment at the time commonly involved long-term use of high doses of methylphenidate, methamphetamine, and other sympathomimetics related structurally to the stimulants in ephedra. A frantic search was on at the time for replacements for those drugs since an increasing number of narcoleptics were having psychotic reactions to the drugs that involved visual and auditory hallucinations indistinguishable from those seen in schizophrenics and users of LSD and similar psychedelic drugs. 
> 
> New supposedly safer stimulants like modafinil eventually came on the market, but over time it turned out that hallucinations were among their common off-target effects as well. The reasons why that is try can be inferred from what I say below.
> 
> I solicited and collected in the mid 1990s numerous reports from narcoleptic patients, including some who became friends, of contacts with aliens (or alternately, depending on their cultural backgrounds) of communications with gods, angels, or demons, etc., attributable to the drugs and not the waking dreams narcoleptics (who are not psychotic) experience daily.
> 
> The evidence is very strong today that hallucinations of similar sorts can be triggered by many different kinds of drugs, not just those currently viewed as psychedelics. The similarities are explained by many recent fMRI and post-mortem anatomical studies that suggest that the main driver of hallucinations of all sorts involves disruptions of neural systems linking ?higher? cortical regions in the prefrontal cortex to subcortical networks and key integrative neural networks in the insula and linked cortical structures, e.g. the anterior cingulate. 
> 
> The key point here is that *any* disruptions to the default resting networks linking those regions ? whether deriving from ingestion of exogenous chemicals like those in ephedra or by specific neurological diseases (bipolar disorder, Parkinson?s, Alzheimer?s, Huntington?s disease, & many others that produce hallucinations) will lead to similar schizophrenic-like or waking-visions. 
> 
> For some suggestive evidence here, see this recent paper by a major group on auditory hallucinations in the _Schizophrenia Bulletin_ which suggests the existence of ?domain-general mechanisms for hallucinations? of all major types:
> 
> _Auditory Hallucinations and the Brain?s Resting-State Networks: Findings and Methodological Observations_:
> 
> Full paper downloadable here: http://tinyurl.com/ycfyhm5j <http://tinyurl.com/ycfyhm5j>
> 
> Other recent papers on Alzheimer?s disease and hallucinations and visual rather than auditory hallucinations come to the same conclusion. 
> 
> In sum, you can damage these networks in many different ways, but the existence of those disruptions and not the specific diseases or chemicals causing the damage is what defines the character of the hallucinations. 
> 
> And all this together implies that you will never be able to identify the drug or more likely multiple drugs behind the hoama/soma question from evidence in the different strata of Vedic or early Iranian texts describing the nature of the visions. Hallucinations on this model whether triggered by stimulants, psychedelics, intentionally cultivated visionary experience, visions induced by sleep deprivation, or for that matter a well-aimed hammer to the head can all be expected on a deep level to look pretty much the same.
> 
> Granted, however, that some hallucinations may be more pleasant than others:
> 
> https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/481451 <https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/481451>
> 
> Regards,
> Steve Farmer
> 
> The Systems Biology Group
> Palo Alto, California
> saf at safarmer.com <mailto:saf at safarmer.com>
> 



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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 01:46:33 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 18 18:46:33 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Hartsuiker Archive
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I'm told by Jason Birch that,

"I was told by someone that the BL had taken the images of the Hartsuiker
Archive offline in order to replace them with high res ones. This involved
redigitising the whole collection. I don't know when the collection may go
back online."

Thanks, Jason,
Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 12:33, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Hathayoga Project "resources" page points to the Hartsuiker Archive of
> 1900 photos at the British Library.  This is an amazing resource.  But the British
> Museum link
> <http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/collection_image_gallery.aspx?assetId=1612938283&objectId=3628111&partId=1#more-views>
> has stopped working.  Using keywords it is possible to find a lot of the
> Hartsuiker images, but only in a kind of haphazard manner.
>
> Does anybody here know whether the BL has a (new?) "Hartsuiker Digital
> Collection" page that showcases the collection properly?  I can't find one.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Fri Nov 23 10:30:15 2018
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 18 10:30:15 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
Message-ID: <1542968364.S.36516.autosave.drafts.1542969015.4948@webmail.rediffmail.com>

Dr.Karp,I apologise for being a little late in citing a probable reference vis-a-vis your query.I could access my library
only yesterday evening,where I came across the book"The Vedantic Buddhism of Buddha"by J.G.Gennings(Oxford University Press ,1948).Pg 427 of the book gbrings out the fact,that after Buddha's Mahaparinirvana,HIS body was first wrapped in unsoiled garment and cotton,and then laid on an oil-trough to form the pyre.This has reference in the Khudda Nikaya of the Sutta pitaka.The word Teli-Dona implies oil-trough.Alakendu Das.
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From: Artur Karp via INDOLOGY &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt;
Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 21:47:59 GMT+0530
To: indology &lt;indology at list.indology.info&gt;
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil

pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni.&nbsp;
Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?
Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?
Artur Karp (ret)Chair of South Asian Studies,&nbsp;
University of WarsawPoland
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From veerankp at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 11:08:13 2018
From: veerankp at gmail.com (Veeranarayana Pandurangi)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 18 16:38:13 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] invite to participate in "Churning of Indology" international conference 4th to 6th January 2019 Udupi
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Dear List Members

Greetings from BVP management.

I invite you to participate in "Churning of Indology" international
conference jointly organised by Bharatiya Vidvat Parishat,
Tattvasamshodhana Samsat, Udupi and Indic Academy, Hyderabad between 4th to
6th January 2019 in Udupi, Karnataka, Karnataka.

Bharatiya Vidvat Parishat was founded  as google-group in 2009.  From the
small group to the present day strength of two thousand members, BVP has
grown enormously during the last ten years. BVP is everybody?s need. It has
been continuously altering the scenario of research in Samskrit during the
last decade.

The decennary of BVP will be celebrated with ?Churning of Indology?
international conference. This three Day International Conference, in
collaboration of Tattvasamshodhan Samsat, Udupi and Indic Academy,
Hyderabad to further the strengths of BVP will be held in Udupi from 4th to
6thJanuary 2019. I welcome you to the conference to present paper/poster or
simply enjoy the scholarly deliberations along with us celebrating this
special occasion.

Attached brochure details the program.

Last date for sending abstracts 10 December 2018.

Last date for registration 25 December 2018

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I hope those of you who will be in India during that time will be able to
take part in this conference.

Your sincerely

Veeranaryana Pandurangi
-- 
Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Director, Academy of Samskrit Researcher,
Director of Academics & Dean, Faculty of Vedanta
Karnakata Samskrita University,
Pampa Mahakavi Road,
Chamarajpet, Bengaluru.


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From slaje at kabelmail.de  Fri Nov 23 14:32:17 2018
From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 18 15:32:17 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] invite to participate in "Churning of Indology" international conference 4th to 6th January 2019 Udupi
In-Reply-To: <CAPnSTeivQ5YgfB_zqAzALDxXPzwtMJ4M005XCFJCU8HM=P2tTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nVZCYA15pMc0zNnxOQOPCLDaV4_E8wjs3WpmjBkns07EQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

> Bharatiya Vidvat Parishat [...] has grown enormously during the last ten
years. BVP is everybody?s need.

Should the Swadeshi spirit of the BVP also permeate the planned churning of
Western Indologists in Udupi, the circle of the needful will keep within
clearly definable limits.

Two quotes from BVP should suffice to make plain the ideological direction
things are taking at present.

A question on the linguistic age of Sanskrit as treated in Antonia Ruppel's
"Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit" (2017) is answered there in this way:
"I would request you not to fully believe on this because, these westerners
have manipulated many of our scriptures date to either after Christ or if
not then some vague date. In Chennai or in Kerala, if there is any old
Sanskritam institution then pls contact them. Cambridge Oxford Harvard
Columbia and many have done enough harm to our Literature."

Harm done to Sanskrit and Indian literature by the sinister world of
anglophone scholars set aside, here is another of the many gems of that
sort: Leonardo da Vinci, who - doubtlessly by force of his own karma - was
unlucky enough to have been reborn in Italy, was considered to become a
namesake for a school in India run by an Indian person. One of Swadeshi
Indic persons reacted to the above idea of making this hapless Western
polymath a name patron in India in the following manner:
"Italy may have 1 person, but ours is a vast country. Hence we just can't
have 1. We have many.  Give your friend name of many Bhartiya counterpart
names. Let them know that we are in multiples in every field."

Future subjects of Indological research on the changing intellectual
environment of contemporary India appear in front of our eyes like grease
drops floating on the soup. Time to apply for funds. The sources are
inexhaustible.

Regards,
WS

-----------------------------
Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
Deutschland

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Nov 23 16:12:56 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 18 08:12:56 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dze_qzbFP=80D1UKShFsGu=5yENz4O7WYZKdUmHLa8dZJg@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses

????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ???????????? ?
???????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ???? ???????
O Krishna, established in every form, I only see you. O Madhava, inside and
outside, all forms are your forms.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Fri Nov 23 17:17:16 2018
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 18 17:17:16 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] invite to participate in "Churning of Indology" international conference 4th to 6th January 2019 Udupi
In-Reply-To: <CALoZ1nVZCYA15pMc0zNnxOQOPCLDaV4_E8wjs3WpmjBkns07EQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Dar Prof. Slaje,

Many thanks for sharing this insightful quotes from the BVP mailing list.

Leonardo da Vinci, who - doubtlessly by force of his own karma - was unlucky enough to have been reborn in Italy

As an Italian, I must join this anonymous Indian colleague in pitying the horrible fate that befell Leonardo da Vinci and hope that what he accomplished during his sad life in Renaissance Italy and France allowed him to be reborn as a male on the soil of ????.

Best wishes,

Camillo Formigatti

________________________________

Dr Camillo A. Formigatti
John Clay Sanskrit Librarian

Bodleian Libraries
The Weston Library
Broad Street, Oxford
OX1 3BG

Email: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk<mailto:camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
Tel. (office): 01865 (2)77208
www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk<http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/>

GROW YOUR MIND
in Oxford University?s
Gardens, Libraries and Museums
www.mindgrowing.org<http://www.mindgrowing.org/>

From: Walter Slaje [mailto:slaje at kabelmail.de]
Sent: 23 November 2018 14:32
Cc: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] invite to participate in "Churning of Indology" international conference 4th to 6th January 2019 Udupi


Dear List,

> Bharatiya Vidvat Parishat [...] has grown enormously during the last ten years. BVP is everybody?s need.

Should the Swadeshi spirit of the BVP also permeate the planned churning of Western Indologists in Udupi, the circle of the needful will keep within clearly definable limits.

Two quotes from BVP should suffice to make plain the ideological direction things are taking at present.

A question on the linguistic age of Sanskrit as treated in Antonia Ruppel's "Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit" (2017) is answered there in this way:
"I would request you not to fully believe on this because, these westerners have manipulated many of our scriptures date to either after Christ or if not then some vague date. In Chennai or in Kerala, if there is any old Sanskritam institution then pls contact them. Cambridge Oxford Harvard Columbia and many have done enough harm to our Literature."

Harm done to Sanskrit and Indian literature by the sinister world of anglophone scholars set aside, here is another of the many gems of that sort: Leonardo da Vinci, who - doubtlessly by force of his own karma - was unlucky enough to have been reborn in Italy, was considered to become a namesake for a school in India run by an Indian person. One of Swadeshi Indic persons reacted to the above idea of making this hapless Western polymath a name patron in India in the following manner:
"Italy may have 1 person, but ours is a vast country. Hence we just can't have 1. We have many.  Give your friend name of many Bhartiya counterpart names. Let them know that we are in multiples in every field."

Future subjects of Indological research on the changing intellectual environment of contemporary India appear in front of our eyes like grease drops floating on the soup. Time to apply for funds. The sources are inexhaustible.

Regards,
WS

-----------------------------
Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
Deutschland

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.




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From slaje at kabelmail.de  Fri Nov 23 18:06:25 2018
From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 18 19:06:25 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] invite to participate in "Churning of Indology" international conference 4th to 6th January 2019 Udupi
In-Reply-To: <LO2P265MB030456CF489E138822776AC68ED40@LO2P265MB0304.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nVCiEz0Ks_uhhHy=qA2fDBe=KpLdH01fczN4iD37yVbVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Dr Formigatti,

to avoid a possible misunderstanding, sentences in my earlier mail quoted
from another source were put in quotation marks. The remaining words and
sentences were my own, admittedly somewhat ironic remarks, which I could
not help making from the background of the intellectual level of all this.
Irony  also holds for the sad Italian rebirth of Leonardo. Truly sorry!

Best regards,
WS


Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018 um 18:17 Uhr schrieb Camillo Formigatti <
camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>:

> Dar Prof. Slaje,
>
>
>
> Many thanks for sharing this insightful quotes from the BVP mailing list.
>
>
>
> Leonardo da Vinci, who - doubtlessly by force of his own karma - was
> unlucky enough to have been reborn in Italy
>
>
>
> As an Italian, I must join this anonymous Indian colleague in pitying the
> horrible fate that befell Leonardo da Vinci and hope that what he
> accomplished during his sad life in Renaissance Italy and France allowed
> him to be reborn as a male on the soil of ????.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Camillo Formigatti
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Dr Camillo A. Formigatti
>
> John Clay Sanskrit Librarian
>
>
>
> Bodleian Libraries
>
> The Weston Library
>
> Broad Street, Oxford
>
> OX1 3BG
>
>
>
> Email: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk
>
> Tel. (office): 01865 (2)77208
> www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk
>
>
>
> *GROW YOUR MIND*
>
> in Oxford University?s
>
> Gardens, Libraries and Museums
>
> www.mindgrowing.org
>
>
>
> *From:* Walter Slaje [mailto:slaje at kabelmail.de]
> *Sent:* 23 November 2018 14:32
> *Cc:* indology at list.indology.info
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] invite to participate in "Churning of Indology"
> international conference 4th to 6th January 2019 Udupi
>
>
>
>
> Dear List,
>
>
>
> > Bharatiya Vidvat Parishat [...] has grown enormously during the last ten
> years. BVP is everybody?s need.
>
>
>
> Should the Swadeshi spirit of the BVP also permeate the planned churning
> of Western Indologists in Udupi, the circle of the needful will keep within
> clearly definable limits.
>
>
>
> Two quotes from BVP should suffice to make plain the ideological direction
> things are taking at present.
>
>
>
> A question on the linguistic age of Sanskrit as treated in Antonia
> Ruppel's "Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit" (2017) is answered there in
> this way:
>
> "I would request you not to fully believe on this because, these
> westerners have manipulated many of our scriptures date to either after
> Christ or if not then some vague date. In Chennai or in Kerala, if there is
> any old Sanskritam institution then pls contact them. Cambridge Oxford
> Harvard Columbia and many have done enough harm to our Literature."
>
>
>
> Harm done to Sanskrit and Indian literature by the sinister world of
> anglophone scholars set aside, here is another of the many gems of that
> sort: Leonardo da Vinci, who - doubtlessly by force of his own karma - was
> unlucky enough to have been reborn in Italy, was considered to become a
> namesake for a school in India run by an Indian person. One of Swadeshi
> Indic persons reacted to the above idea of making this hapless Western
> polymath a name patron in India in the following manner:
>
> "Italy may have 1 person, but ours is a vast country. Hence we just can't
> have 1. We have many.  Give your friend name of many Bhartiya counterpart
> names. Let them know that we are in multiples in every field."
>
>
>
> Future subjects of Indological research on the changing intellectual
> environment of contemporary India appear in front of our eyes like grease
> drops floating on the soup. Time to apply for funds. The sources are
> inexhaustible.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> WS
>
>
>
> -----------------------------
> Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
> Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
> D-99425 Weimar
> Deutschland
>
> Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
> studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
> non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
> sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
> humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
> Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.
>
>
>
>
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From camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk  Fri Nov 23 18:10:42 2018
From: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk (Camillo Formigatti)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 18 18:10:42 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] invite to participate in "Churning of Indology" international conference 4th to 6th January 2019 Udupi
In-Reply-To: <CALoZ1nVCiEz0Ks_uhhHy=qA2fDBe=KpLdH01fczN4iD37yVbVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Prof. Slaje,

I apologize for the misunderstanding. I was fooled by the different fonts used in your reply and I thought that they were also marking quotations from the original source. Therefore, I stand corrected and I join you in pitying the horrible fate that befell Leonardo da Vinci when he was reborn in Italy.

Best wishes,

Camillo Formigatti


________________________________

Dr Camillo A. Formigatti
John Clay Sanskrit Librarian

Bodleian Libraries
The Weston Library
Broad Street, Oxford
OX1 3BG

Email: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk<mailto:camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
Tel. (office): 01865 (2)77208
www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk<http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/>

GROW YOUR MIND
in Oxford University?s
Gardens, Libraries and Museums
www.mindgrowing.org<http://www.mindgrowing.org/>

From: Walter Slaje [mailto:slaje at kabelmail.de]
Sent: 23 November 2018 18:06
To: Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
Cc: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] invite to participate in "Churning of Indology" international conference 4th to 6th January 2019 Udupi

Dear Dr Formigatti,

to avoid a possible misunderstanding, sentences in my earlier mail quoted from another source were put in quotation marks. The remaining words and sentences were my own, admittedly somewhat ironic remarks, which I could not help making from the background of the intellectual level of all this. Irony  also holds for the sad Italian rebirth of Leonardo. Truly sorry!

Best regards,
WS


Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018 um 18:17 Uhr schrieb Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk<mailto:camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>>:
Dar Prof. Slaje,

Many thanks for sharing this insightful quotes from the BVP mailing list.

Leonardo da Vinci, who - doubtlessly by force of his own karma - was unlucky enough to have been reborn in Italy

As an Italian, I must join this anonymous Indian colleague in pitying the horrible fate that befell Leonardo da Vinci and hope that what he accomplished during his sad life in Renaissance Italy and France allowed him to be reborn as a male on the soil of ????.

Best wishes,

Camillo Formigatti

________________________________

Dr Camillo A. Formigatti
John Clay Sanskrit Librarian

Bodleian Libraries
The Weston Library
Broad Street, Oxford
OX1 3BG

Email: camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk<mailto:camillo.formigatti at bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
Tel. (office): 01865 (2)77208
www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk<http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/>

GROW YOUR MIND
in Oxford University?s
Gardens, Libraries and Museums
www.mindgrowing.org<http://www.mindgrowing.org/>

From: Walter Slaje [mailto:slaje at kabelmail.de<mailto:slaje at kabelmail.de>]
Sent: 23 November 2018 14:32
Cc: indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] invite to participate in "Churning of Indology" international conference 4th to 6th January 2019 Udupi


Dear List,

> Bharatiya Vidvat Parishat [...] has grown enormously during the last ten years. BVP is everybody?s need.

Should the Swadeshi spirit of the BVP also permeate the planned churning of Western Indologists in Udupi, the circle of the needful will keep within clearly definable limits.

Two quotes from BVP should suffice to make plain the ideological direction things are taking at present.

A question on the linguistic age of Sanskrit as treated in Antonia Ruppel's "Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit" (2017) is answered there in this way:
"I would request you not to fully believe on this because, these westerners have manipulated many of our scriptures date to either after Christ or if not then some vague date. In Chennai or in Kerala, if there is any old Sanskritam institution then pls contact them. Cambridge Oxford Harvard Columbia and many have done enough harm to our Literature."

Harm done to Sanskrit and Indian literature by the sinister world of anglophone scholars set aside, here is another of the many gems of that sort: Leonardo da Vinci, who - doubtlessly by force of his own karma - was unlucky enough to have been reborn in Italy, was considered to become a namesake for a school in India run by an Indian person. One of Swadeshi Indic persons reacted to the above idea of making this hapless Western polymath a name patron in India in the following manner:
"Italy may have 1 person, but ours is a vast country. Hence we just can't have 1. We have many.  Give your friend name of many Bhartiya counterpart names. Let them know that we are in multiples in every field."

Future subjects of Indological research on the changing intellectual environment of contemporary India appear in front of our eyes like grease drops floating on the soup. Time to apply for funds. The sources are inexhaustible.

Regards,
WS

-----------------------------
Univ.-Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
Deutschland

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.




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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 18:14:35 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 18 11:14:35 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
In-Reply-To: <1542968364.S.36516.autosave.drafts.1542969015.4948@webmail.rediffmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcuzeGY28i=5x-r_+H03OqxajxwM346k2WiTqwK0kX8sg@mail.gmail.com>

"teli-dona" in Sanskrit would be "taila-dro?am".  This expression occurs
twice in the *Carakasa?hit?*.  In both cases it should be understood not in
the sense of "a barrel of oil," but rather "ten litres of oil."  A *dro?a*
is a unit of measure (see *Roots of Ayurveda* "?ar?gadhara on weights
measures and definitions."  A dro?a is not exactly ten litres, but roughly
so.

When the *Carakasa?hit?* gives its longevity instructions at Ca.ci.4.7, the
patient is to be put in a barrel and the word is *dro?a*: s*nehabh?vit?y?m
?rdrapal??adro?y?? sapidh?n?y?? digv?s?? ?ay?ta* "he should lie naked in a
pal??a-wood barrel that has been steeped with oil, covered with a lid."  (
*Roots*, "Rejuvenation through Soma" in the Su?ruta chapter).

My conclusion is that although there are oiled barrels in classical
Ayurveda, a teli-dona isn't a barrel of oil, but rather an amount of oil.

Best,
Dominik


--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 03:31, alakendu das via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dr.Karp,
> I apologise for being a little late in citing a probable reference
> vis-a-vis your query.I could access my library
> only yesterday evening,where I came across the book"The Vedantic Buddhism
> of Buddha"by J.G.Gennings(Oxford University Press ,1948).Pg 427 of the book
> g
> brings out the fact,that after Buddha's Mahaparinirvana,HIS body was first
> wrapped in unsoiled garment and cotton,and then laid on an oil-trough to
> form the pyre.This has reference in the Khudda Nikaya of the Sutta
> pitaka.The word Teli-Dona implies oil-trough.
> Alakendu Das.
> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>
>
>
>
> From: Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 21:47:59 GMT+0530
> To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
>
> pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni.
>
> Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?
>
> Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?
>
> Artur Karp (ret)
> Chair of South Asian Studies,
> University of Warsaw
> Poland
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From rpg at berkeley.edu  Fri Nov 23 19:29:54 2018
From: rpg at berkeley.edu (Robert Goldman)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 18 11:29:54 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
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Additional references to this practice are to be found in the R?m?ya?a and its commentaries. In addition to the to the previously noted case of Da?aratha, there is the episode from the Uttarak???a in which R?ma instructs Lak?ma?a to have the body of the dead brahman child placed in a dro?a of oil  including fragrances and aromatic oils specifically so that it would not undergo decomposition of disintegration while R?ma  searches his kingdom for the person whose offense he has been told is the cause of this untimely (and remediable)  death.  (VR 7.66.2?4.)

Also unnoticed, and perhaps bearing on the exact sense of the term dro?a in this context is the Uttarak???a?s cautionary  tale of King Nimi as narrated at the critical edition?s APP. I, No. 8 lines 192?193.   (a passage which Dr. Sutherland Goldman and I  have restored to the text of our translation as VR 7. 5?5*.11). According to the legend, when Nimi was cursed to become disembodied, his court brahmins, servants and subjects  preserved (rak?anti sma) his body and worshiped it with fragrances and garlands, again evidently as a means of preventing its decay. The text does not specify how the body is preserved but three commentators on the passage, M?dhava Yog?ndra, Govindar?ja, and N?ge?a, understand that the body was placed in some sort of vessel of oil (tailaka??h?d?v iti ?e?a?) perhaps suggesting that they, at least,  read dro?a in the other passages to refer to a vat rather than a specific measure. 

P.V Kane discusses this practice briefly on pp. 233?234 of  Vol. 4 of his History of Dharma??stra, citing the R?m?ya?a example of Da?aratha as well as a few others from the Vi???pur??a (the Nimi story) and the s?tra literature. 

Happy Holidays to all

Bob
Dr. R. P.  Goldman
Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South and Southeast Asian Studies
Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies MC # 2540
The University of California at Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720-2540
Tel: 510-642-4089
Fax: 510-642-2409

> On Nov 23, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> "teli-dona" in Sanskrit would be "taila-dro?am".  This expression occurs twice in the Carakasa?hit?.  In both cases it should be understood not in the sense of "a barrel of oil," but rather "ten litres of oil."  A dro?a is a unit of measure (see Roots of Ayurveda "?ar?gadhara on weights measures and definitions."  A dro?a is not exactly ten litres, but roughly so.
> 
> When the Carakasa?hit? gives its longevity instructions at Ca.ci.4.7, the patient is to be put in a barrel and the word is dro?a: snehabh?vit?y?m ?rdrapal??adro?y?? sapidh?n?y?? digv?s?? ?ay?ta "he should lie naked in a pal??a-wood barrel that has been steeped with oil, covered with a lid."  (Roots, "Rejuvenation through Soma" in the Su?ruta chapter).
> 
> My conclusion is that although there are oiled barrels in classical Ayurveda, a teli-dona isn't a barrel of oil, but rather an amount of oil.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
> 
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>,
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity,
> Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>,
> University of Alberta, Canada.
> South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca <http://sas.ualberta.ca/>
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 03:31, alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Dr.Karp,
> I apologise for being a little late in citing a probable reference vis-a-vis your query.I could access my library
> only yesterday evening,where I came across the book"The Vedantic Buddhism of Buddha"by J.G.Gennings(Oxford University Press ,1948).Pg 427 of the book g
> brings out the fact,that after Buddha's Mahaparinirvana,HIS body was first wrapped in unsoiled garment and cotton,and then laid on an oil-trough to form the pyre.This has reference in the Khudda Nikaya of the Sutta pitaka.The word Teli-Dona implies oil-trough.
> Alakendu Das.
> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 21:47:59 GMT+0530
> To: indology <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
> 
> pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni. 
> 
> Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?
> 
> Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?
> 
> Artur Karp (ret)
> Chair of South Asian Studies, 
> University of Warsaw
> Poland
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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 05:12:23 2018
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (jhakgirish)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 18 10:42:23 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A request
Message-ID: <5bf8ddbb.1c69fb81.144ae.81d4@mx.google.com>


Dear IndologistsI would be grateful if anyone could kindly give me a link to Vadideva Suri's Syaadvaada Ratnakara for free downloading it.RegardsGirish K.JhaRetd University ProfessorDept of SanskritPatna Univ.,PatnaResidence: Kolkata-India


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From anna.esposito at uni-wuerzburg.de  Sat Nov 24 06:58:42 2018
From: anna.esposito at uni-wuerzburg.de (Anna Aurelia Esposito)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 18 07:58:42 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] A request
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Message-ID: <20181124075842.Horde.o8r_69lf2GB_l9cmh4Ve1Ht@webmail.uni-wuerzburg.de>

Dear Prof. Jha,
it is available for free download in the Jain eLibrary:

https://jainelibrary.org/

Best wishes,
Anna Aurelia Esposito


Zitat von jhakgirish via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>:

> Dear IndologistsI would be grateful if anyone could kindly give me a  
> link to Vadideva Suri's Syaadvaada Ratnakara for free downloading  
> it.RegardsGirish K.JhaRetd University ProfessorDept of SanskritPatna  
> Univ.,PatnaResidence: Kolkata-India
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.



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From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl  Sat Nov 24 09:07:23 2018
From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 18 09:07:23 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CcuzeGY28i=5x-r_+H03OqxajxwM346k2WiTqwK0kX8sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EA8F815D502BC14097213C5D85BA1C6549B95197@SPMXM07.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>

Dear Dominik,

Does what applies to Skt dro?am (ntr) also apply to P?li do?? (fem.)? I have to add that I find it hard to believe that the body was indeed immersed in a bathtub full of oil.

Herman

Herman Tieken
Stationsweg 58
2515 BP Den Haag
The Netherlands
00 31 (0)70 2208127
website: hermantieken.com<http://hermantieken.com/>
________________________________
Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
Verzonden: vrijdag 23 november 2018 19:14
Aan: ALAKENDU DAS
CC: Indology
Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil

"teli-dona" in Sanskrit would be "taila-dro?am".  This expression occurs twice in the Carakasa?hit?.  In both cases it should be understood not in the sense of "a barrel of oil," but rather "ten litres of oil."  A dro?a is a unit of measure (see Roots of Ayurveda "?ar?gadhara on weights measures and definitions."  A dro?a is not exactly ten litres, but roughly so.

When the Carakasa?hit? gives its longevity instructions at Ca.ci.4.7, the patient is to be put in a barrel and the word is dro?a: snehabh?vit?y?m ?rdrapal??adro?y?? sapidh?n?y?? digv?s?? ?ay?ta "he should lie naked in a pal??a-wood barrel that has been steeped with oil, covered with a lid."  (Roots, "Rejuvenation through Soma" in the Su?ruta chapter).

My conclusion is that although there are oiled barrels in classical Ayurveda, a teli-dona isn't a barrel of oil, but rather an amount of oil.

Best,
Dominik


--
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,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics<http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca<http://sas.ualberta.ca/>



On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 03:31, alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Dr.Karp,
I apologise for being a little late in citing a probable reference vis-a-vis your query.I could access my library
only yesterday evening,where I came across the book"The Vedantic Buddhism of Buddha"by J.G.Gennings(Oxford University Press ,1948).Pg 427 of the book g
brings out the fact,that after Buddha's Mahaparinirvana,HIS body was first wrapped in unsoiled garment and cotton,and then laid on an oil-trough to form the pyre.This has reference in the Khudda Nikaya of the Sutta pitaka.The word Teli-Dona implies oil-trough.
Alakendu Das.
Sent from RediffmailNG on Android




From: Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 21:47:59 GMT+0530
To: indology <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil

pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni.

Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?

Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?

Artur Karp (ret)
Chair of South Asian Studies,
University of Warsaw
Poland
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 09:36:44 2018
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 18 09:36:44 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
In-Reply-To: <EA8F815D502BC14097213C5D85BA1C6549B95197@SPMXM07.VUW.leidenuniv.nl>
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4LLDZ2aTdqt3cse-nSFCuU2kBQOrfwFSHY75QeL9KS7yw@mail.gmail.com>

However.... there is for example an expression in a Gandhari
Mahaparinirvana fragment (SC 2179/44a recto): aya?sa droni telena, which
pretty much seems to imply (fill) an iron barrel with oil.
This and some other passages are discussed in my Body Language booklet.

Jonathan

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 9:08 AM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Dominik,
>
> Does what applies to Skt *dro?am* (ntr) also apply to P?li *do?? *(fem.)?
> I have to add that I find it hard to believe that the body was indeed
> immersed in a bathtub full of oil.
>
> Herman
>
> Herman Tieken
> Stationsweg 58
> 2515 BP Den Haag
> The Netherlands
> 00 31 (0)70 2208127
> website: hermantieken.com
> ------------------------------
> *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Dominik
> Wujastyk via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 23 november 2018 19:14
> *Aan:* ALAKENDU DAS
> *CC:* Indology
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
>
> "teli-dona" in Sanskrit would be "taila-dro?am".  This expression occurs
> twice in the *Carakasa?hit?*.  In both cases it should be understood not
> in the sense of "a barrel of oil," but rather "ten litres of oil."  A
> *dro?a* is a unit of measure (see *Roots of Ayurveda* "?ar?gadhara on
> weights measures and definitions."  A dro?a is not exactly ten litres, but
> roughly so.
>
> When the *Carakasa?hit?* gives its longevity instructions at Ca.ci.4.7,
> the patient is to be put in a barrel and the word is *dro?a*: s*nehabh?vit?y?m
> ?rdrapal??adro?y?? sapidh?n?y?? digv?s?? ?ay?ta* "he should lie naked in
> a pal??a-wood barrel that has been steeped with oil, covered with a lid."  (
> *Roots*, "Rejuvenation through Soma" in the Su?ruta chapter).
>
> My conclusion is that although there are oiled barrels in classical
> Ayurveda, a teli-dona isn't a barrel of oil, but rather an amount of oil.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ,
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ,
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ,
> University of Alberta, Canada
> .
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> sas.ualberta.ca
>
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 03:31, alakendu das via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dr.Karp,
>> I apologise for being a little late in citing a probable reference
>> vis-a-vis your query.I could access my library
>> only yesterday evening,where I came across the book"The Vedantic Buddhism
>> of Buddha"by J.G.Gennings(Oxford University Press ,1948).Pg 427 of the book
>> g
>> brings out the fact,that after Buddha's Mahaparinirvana,HIS body was
>> first wrapped in unsoiled garment and cotton,and then laid on an oil-trough
>> to form the pyre.This has reference in the Khudda Nikaya of the Sutta
>> pitaka.The word Teli-Dona implies oil-trough.
>> Alakendu Das.
>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 21:47:59 GMT+0530
>> To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Buddha's body in a vat of oil
>>
>> pali tela-doni, sanskrit taila-droni.
>>
>> Was the body placed in cold - or hot oil?
>>
>> Any mention of the oil's temperature in the accessible sources?
>>
>> Artur Karp (ret)
>> Chair of South Asian Studies,
>> University of Warsaw
>> Poland
>> _______________________________________________
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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 10:17:44 2018
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 18 11:17:44 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Article request
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf-_4bZid3a8+HT9K9XKnYVu5QjQ8_RrwR-ayPUwt37PEg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear indologists,

I am lookin for a pdf of

Maurizion Taddei (1979) "Addenda to the story of the Buddha and the skull
tapper", *Annali dell'Universit? degli Studi di Napoli "L'Orientale"*, vol. 39,
n. 3.

Thanks for the help,
Paolo

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*PhD in Civilizations of Asia and Africa (South Asia Section)Italian
Institute of Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome*

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Nov 24 15:16:25 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 18 07:16:25 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcE+-0FE9chiv6qDyqT2e4QAK1a--xtdGMGW429CcDMrw@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses:

???????? ???? ????? ?????????????? ?
???????? ???????? ???????? ???????: ???????
Wasted is your time in figuring out if He has a form or not. Krishna is
formless, has forms and is handsome too.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Nov 25 18:49:09 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 18 10:49:09 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzeMu=SNjsRsdOKTPFJXH+1HryF0LG7Hz7rR-H=Y_ktz6w@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses

?????? ??????????? ????? ??????????? ?
????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ???????
When all forms come to an end, only Krishna remains. All forms appear in
the formless Krishna.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 18:50:54 2018
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 18 00:20:54 +0530
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akka_Mahadevi#Bold_Feminism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akka_Mahadevi

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:19 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Continuing my Krishna verses
>
> ?????? ??????????? ????? ??????????? ?
> ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ???????
> When all forms come to an end, only Krishna remains. All forms appear in
> the formless Krishna.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus
> Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan
> [Residence: Campbell, California]
>
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 18:57:30 2018
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 18 00:27:30 +0530
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I am sorry. This post was intended to be a response to another thread on
women philosophers.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 12:20 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com
wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akka_Mahadevi#Bold_Feminism
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akka_Mahadevi
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:19 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Continuing my Krishna verses
>>
>> ?????? ??????????? ????? ??????????? ?
>> ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ???????
>> When all forms come to an end, only Krishna remains. All forms appear in
>> the formless Krishna.
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus
>> Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan
>> [Residence: Campbell, California]
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "???????????????????" group.
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>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> Director, Indic Academy of Sanskrit and Indological Studies.
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
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From Palaniappa at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 05:13:45 2018
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 18 23:13:45 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Iravatham Mahadevan
Message-ID: <7F9CBB01-CC85-450D-98DC-365D7EC5B893@aol.com>

I am very sad to announce the passing of Mr. Iravatham Mahadevan.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/iravatham-mahadevan-leading-scholar-on-the-indus-valley-and-tamil-brahmi-scripts-passes-away/article25595085.ece <https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/iravatham-mahadevan-leading-scholar-on-the-indus-valley-and-tamil-brahmi-scripts-passes-away/article25595085.ece> 

Regards,
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From claudius.teodorescu at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 13:09:06 2018
From: claudius.teodorescu at gmail.com (Claudius Teodorescu)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 18 15:09:06 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Segmentation of Ayurvedic works
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Hi,

Does anyone know about segmentations of Charaka Samhita or other Ayurvedic
works, from medical point of view?

For instance, I would be interested to know about how many types of
premonitory signs and symptoms are for diseases, and which ones are common
to which diseases...

The same for causes, etc.

This only can be known if the works are segmented properly.


Thanks,
Claudius Teodorescu,
XML Developer



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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Nov 26 15:12:48 2018
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 18 07:12:48 -0800
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd6mBe1azLLyTq8L0+XutMsxmSaW7JA85rhyAh1at9-og@mail.gmail.com>

Continuing my Krishna verses

??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?
????????? ????? ?????? ????? ???????? ???: ???????
Krishna is the lord of all forms. Forms are born from him, they always live
in him and they merge into him.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus
Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan
[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From aparpola at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 19:31:06 2018
From: aparpola at gmail.com (Asko Parpola)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 18 21:31:06 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] In memoriam Iravatham Mahadevan
Message-ID: <3D3B6A25-6B7D-44A3-BB7D-CA5C85DB6444@gmail.com>


In memoriam:  Iravatham Mahadevan (Manachanallur 30 January 1930 [actually 18? October 1929, according to Mahadevan] - Chennai 25 November 2018)

 By Asko Parpola

 On the 25 November 2018 Mahadevan's younger son Sridhar ? Professor of Information and Computer Sciences at the University of Massachusetts and currently Director of Data Science Lab at Adobe Research ? sent me and some other colleagues the following message, which I take the liberty of passing on to wider public, as it so aptly catches the essentials of Iravatham Mahadevan's character and life: 

 "It is with deep sadness that I inform you that Iravatham Mahadevan passed away today around 4 am. He was at peace at home, and till the end, lucid and clear in his thoughts. 

His final written words left us in no doubt as to what his own wishes were. He wrote around midnight:

?I fear I am recovering. Shame!?

He was not afraid of his impending demise, and I take some solace that he got his wish to depart at home after taking leave of his family, friends and colleagues. 

I had hoped that Appa would live longer, perhaps even to equal his long time mentor Professor Emeneau?s long and distinguished career at Berkeley. But, I am grateful that he lived a long rich life, as a beloved father, husband, skilled administrator, research scholar, newspaper editor, and not least of all, philanthropist. 

He gave away the vast portion of his fortune earned through the sale of his houses to set up a graduate medical research center at Shankar Nethralaya in Chennai, a renowned eye care institute. He also worked tirelessly raising scholarship funds for indigent students all over Tamilnadu. It was hard work each year to manage the educational trust, but be kept it going at great personal effort till very recently. 

Einstein once remarked about Mahatma Gandhi: ?generations to come, it may scarcely be believed that such an individual lived on this Earth?. Given IM?s manifold contributions to many diverse fields, I find this tribute entirely appropriate for Appa as well. 

He deeply loved his professional interactions with all of you, and I believe this in no short measure kept him going more than two decades after his wife?s untimely demise. 

In accordance with his wishes, we will cremate him this afternoon and scatter his ashes in the sea, close to where his wife Gowri?s ashes were scattered 26 years ago. - Sridhar" 

In the course of numerous field trips between 1962 and 1996, Mahadevan visited all the 110 caves containing early Tamil Brahmi inscriptions. He also collected pottery graffiti, coins and seals containing this script, dated between the 2nd century BCE and the 6th century CE.  With the two early papers published in 1968 and 1971, he already established himself as the best expert in this field of epigraphy:

- Mahadevan, Iravatham,  1968. Corpus of the Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions. Pp. 57-73 in: R. Nagaswamy (ed.), Seminar on inscriptions, 1966. Madras.

- Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1971. Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions of the Sangam age. Pp. 73-106 in: R. E. Asher (ed.), Proceedings of the Second International Conference Seminar of Tamil Studies, Madras, India, January 1968, vol. I. Madras.

Ceaseless study of the topic resulted in a superb monograph that appeared in 2003 and even in a revised and enlarged second edition in 2014:

- Mahadevan, Iravatham, 2003. Early Tamil epigraphy: From the earliest times to the sixth century A. D. (Harvard Oriental Series 62.) Cambridge, Mass.: The Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University, and Chennai: Cre-A. 29 cm, xxxix, 719 pp., incl. 54 pl.

- Mahadevan, Iravatham, 2014. Early Tamil epigraphy, from the earliest times to the sixth century C.E. Revised and enlarged second edition. Volume 1: The Tamil-Br?hm? inscriptions. Chennai: Central Institute of Classical Tamil. 29 cm, xliv, 727 pp., ill. Hb INR 3500. ISBN 978-93-81744-14-7.

In his review of the first edition published in Journal of the American Oriental Society 124 (3), 2004: 565-569, Richard Salomon, a leading expert in Indian epigraphy, notes that "throughout, the documentation is thorough, precise, and exhaustive ... The inscriptions are analyzed in complete detail  ... with regard to their linguistic, paleographic, cultural, and historical significance ... there can be no question that Early Tamil Epigraphy is a masterwork that will stand the test of time as one of the landmarks of Indian epigraphic studies..."

 But Mahadevan was not satisfied with the challenge of early Tamil epigraphy. I first met him in 1970 at an international conference of Tamil studies held in Paris, where he read a summary of the following extensive paper:

- Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1970. Dravidian parallels in Proto-Indian script. Journal of Tamil Studies 2 (1): 157-276.

I had published in 1969-1970 the first papers of an attempt at a partial decipherment of the Indus script based on the hypothesis that the language underlying the script is Dravidian.  We had a lot to talk about while we were strolling in the Luxenbourg Garden, and not only on the Indus script: Mahadevan even recited hymns of the Rigveda.

 In 1971 in Madras, my family including two small daughters spent time together with Mahadevan's hospitable family that included two young sons. Tragically, Mahadevan's elder son Vidyasagar later lost his life in a kerosine accident. On his later visit to Finland, Mahadevan met our elder daughter in wheelchair, crippled by MS disease, which eventually led to her premature death. This shared misfortune fortified our mutual friendship. But our time together in Madras in 1971 was very happy, and decisively influenced my wife Marjatta's decision to reorient her studies to Indian culture. Later in the 1970s, on two occasions Mahadevan and his family were my hosts when I studied the Indus inscriptions housed in the Delhi museums, in preparation for the multivolume Corpus of Indus Seals and Inscriptions (CISI), which started appearing in 1987.  

 In the meantime, our Finnish team had published the first computer-generated concordance to the Indus texts (1973). Mahadevan, assisted by an Indian team of computer experts, much improved upon it in his truly magnificent and most useful volume:

- Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1977.  The Indus script:  Texts, concordance and tables. (Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India, 77.) New Delhi: Archaeological Survey of India. viii, 829 pp., 7 pl.

 Over the years, Mahadevan has published a large number of articles on the interpretation/decipherment of the Indus script, most of which can be downloaded from the website (rmrl.in/?page_id=1044) of the Roja Muthiah Research Library in Chennai, where Mahadevan about ten years ago established an Indus Research Centre. Here I shall mention only two paper that impressed me:

- Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1986. Towards a grammar of the Indus texts: 'Intelligible to the eye, if not to the ears'. Tamil Civilization 4 (3-4): 15-30.

- Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1988. What do we know about the Indus script? Neti neti  ('Not this nor that'). Presidential address, Section V, Indian History Congress, Fortyninth Session, Dharwar, 2-4 November 1988. Madras.

The following paper remained Mahadevan's last on the Indus script; it is remarkable that he continued this work to the last:

- Mahadevan, Iravatham, & M. V. Bhaskar, 2018. Toponyms, directions and tribal names in the Indus script. Pp. 357-374 in: Dennys Frenez, Gregg Jamison, Randall Law, Massimo Vidale and Richard H. Meadow (eds.), Walking with the Unicorn: Social organization and material culture in ancient South Asia. Jonathan Mark Kenoyer Felicitation Volume. Oxford: Archaeopress.

As far as the details of interpretation/decipherment are concerned, Mahadevan and I did not much agree, but this did not prevent us from appreciating and encouraging each other's efforts. This applies especially to Mahadevan, who published many praising reviews of my work, and always communicated to me information relating to Indus texts that he thought might otherwise escape my attention and inclusion in the CISI.  

I gratefully remember Mahadevan as a lovable person, whom I had the good fortune to have as a dear friend, and as a great scholar, who shared with me enthusiasm for India's glorious past.


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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Mon Nov 26 19:37:01 2018
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 18 20:37:01 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] In memoriam Iravatham Mahadevan
In-Reply-To: <3D3B6A25-6B7D-44A3-BB7D-CA5C85DB6444@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFv+w=vfkwy3+-s0bM_=_DS-wbkJ530ccgV+6mvaQjhddA@mail.gmail.com>

Jeden z moich mistrz?w.

requiescat in pace

Artur Karp (em.)
Katedra Azji Po?udniowej
Uniwersytet Warszawski
Warszawa
Polska

pon., 26 lis 2018 o 20:32 Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a):

>
> *In memoriam:  Iravatham Mahadevan (Manachanallur 30 January 1930
> [actually 18? October 1929, according to Mahadevan] - Chennai 25 November
> 2018)*
>
>  *By Asko Parpola*
>
>  On the 25 November 2018 Mahadevan's younger son Sridhar ? Professor of
> Information and Computer Sciences at the University of Massachusetts and
> currently Director of Data Science Lab at Adobe Research ? sent me and some
> other colleagues the following message, which I take the liberty of passing
> on to wider public, as it so aptly catches the essentials of Iravatham
> Mahadevan's character and life:
>
>  "It is with deep sadness that I inform you that Iravatham Mahadevan
> passed away today around 4 am. He was at peace at home, and till the end,
> lucid and clear in his thoughts.
>
> His final written words left us in no doubt as to what his own wishes
> were. He wrote around midnight:
>
> ?I fear I am recovering. Shame!?
>
> He was not afraid of his impending demise, and I take some solace that he
> got his wish to depart at home after taking leave of his family, friends
> and colleagues.
>
> I had hoped that Appa would live longer, perhaps even to equal his long
> time mentor Professor Emeneau?s long and distinguished career at Berkeley.
> But, I am grateful that he lived a long rich life, as a beloved father,
> husband, skilled administrator, research scholar, newspaper editor, and not
> least of all, philanthropist.
>
> He gave away the vast portion of his fortune earned through the sale of
> his houses to set up a graduate medical research center at Shankar
> Nethralaya in Chennai, a renowned eye care institute. He also worked
> tirelessly raising scholarship funds for indigent students all over
> Tamilnadu. It was hard work each year to manage the educational trust, but
> be kept it going at great personal effort till very recently.
>
> Einstein once remarked about Mahatma Gandhi: ?generations to come, it may
> scarcely be believed that such an individual lived on this Earth?. Given
> IM?s manifold contributions to many diverse fields, I find this tribute
> entirely appropriate for Appa as well.
>
> He deeply loved his professional interactions with all of you, and I
> believe this in no short measure kept him going more than two decades after
> his wife?s untimely demise.
>
> In accordance with his wishes, we will cremate him this afternoon and
> scatter his ashes in the sea, close to where his wife Gowri?s ashes were
> scattered 26 years ago. - Sridhar"
>
> In the course of numerous field trips between 1962 and 1996, Mahadevan
> visited all the 110 caves containing early Tamil Brahmi inscriptions. He
> also collected pottery graffiti, coins and seals containing this script,
> dated between the 2nd century BCE and the 6th century CE.  With the two
> early papers published in 1968 and 1971, he already established himself as
> the best expert in this field of epigraphy:
>
> - Mahadevan, Iravatham,  1968. Corpus of the Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions.
> Pp. 57-73 in: R. Nagaswamy (ed.), Seminar on inscriptions, 1966. Madras.
>
> - Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1971. Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions of the Sangam age.
> Pp. 73-106 in: R. E. Asher (ed.), Proceedings of the Second International
> Conference Seminar of Tamil Studies, Madras, India, January 1968, vol. I.
> Madras.
>
> Ceaseless study of the topic resulted in a superb monograph that appeared
> in 2003 and even in a revised and enlarged second edition in 2014:
>
> - Mahadevan, Iravatham, 2003. Early Tamil epigraphy: From the earliest
> times to the sixth century A. D. (Harvard Oriental Series 62.) Cambridge,
> Mass.: The Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University,
> and Chennai: Cre-A. 29 cm, xxxix, 719 pp., incl. 54 pl.
>
> - Mahadevan, Iravatham, 2014. Early Tamil epigraphy, from the earliest
> times to the sixth century C.E. Revised and enlarged second edition. Volume
> 1: The Tamil-Br?hm? inscriptions. Chennai: Central Institute of Classical
> Tamil. 29 cm, xliv, 727 pp., ill. Hb INR 3500. ISBN 978-93-81744-14-7.
>
> In his review of the first edition published in Journal of the American
> Oriental Society 124 (3), 2004: 565-569, Richard Salomon, a leading expert
> in Indian epigraphy, notes that "throughout, the documentation is thorough,
> precise, and exhaustive ... The inscriptions are analyzed in complete
> detail  ... with regard to their linguistic, paleographic, cultural, and
> historical significance ... there can be no question that Early Tamil
> Epigraphy is a masterwork that will stand the test of time as one of the
> landmarks of Indian epigraphic studies..."
>
>  But Mahadevan was not satisfied with the challenge of early Tamil
> epigraphy. I first met him in 1970 at an international conference of Tamil
> studies held in Paris, where he read a summary of the following extensive
> paper:
>
> - Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1970. Dravidian parallels in Proto-Indian script.
> Journal of Tamil Studies 2 (1): 157-276.
>
> I had published in 1969-1970 the first papers of an attempt at a partial
> decipherment of the Indus script based on the hypothesis that the language
> underlying the script is Dravidian.  We had a lot to talk about while we
> were strolling in the Luxenbourg Garden, and not only on the Indus script:
> Mahadevan even recited hymns of the Rigveda.
>
>  In 1971 in Madras, my family including two small daughters spent time
> together with Mahadevan's hospitable family that included two young sons.
> Tragically, Mahadevan's elder son Vidyasagar later lost his life in a
> kerosine accident. On his later visit to Finland, Mahadevan met our elder
> daughter in wheelchair, crippled by MS disease, which eventually led to her
> premature death. This shared misfortune fortified our mutual friendship.
> But our time together in Madras in 1971 was very happy, and decisively
> influenced my wife Marjatta's decision to reorient her studies to Indian
> culture. Later in the 1970s, on two occasions Mahadevan and his family were
> my hosts when I studied the Indus inscriptions housed in the Delhi museums,
> in preparation for the multivolume Corpus of Indus Seals and Inscriptions
> (CISI), which started appearing in 1987.
>
>  In the meantime, our Finnish team had published the first
> computer-generated concordance to the Indus texts (1973). Mahadevan,
> assisted by an Indian team of computer experts, much improved upon it in
> his truly magnificent and most useful volume:
>
> - Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1977.  The Indus script:  Texts, concordance and
> tables. (Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India, 77.) New Delhi:
> Archaeological Survey of India. viii, 829 pp., 7 pl.
>
>  Over the years, Mahadevan has published a large number of articles on
> the interpretation/decipherment of the Indus script, most of which can be
> downloaded from the website (rmrl.in/?page_id=1044) of the Roja Muthiah
> Research Library in Chennai, where Mahadevan about ten years ago
> established an Indus Research Centre. Here I shall mention only two paper
> that impressed me:
>
> - Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1986. Towards a grammar of the Indus texts:
> 'Intelligible to the eye, if not to the ears'. Tamil Civilization 4 (3-4):
> 15-30.
>
> - Mahadevan, Iravatham, 1988. What do we know about the Indus script? Neti
> neti  ('Not this nor that'). Presidential address, Section V, Indian
> History Congress, Fortyninth Session, Dharwar, 2-4 November 1988. Madras.
>
> The following paper remained Mahadevan's last on the Indus script; it is
> remarkable that he continued this work to the last:
>
> - Mahadevan, Iravatham, & M. V. Bhaskar, 2018. Toponyms, directions and
> tribal names in the Indus script. Pp. 357-374 in: Dennys Frenez, Gregg
> Jamison, Randall Law, Massimo Vidale and Richard H. Meadow (eds.), Walking
> with the Unicorn: Social organization and material culture in ancient South
> Asia. Jonathan Mark Kenoyer Felicitation Volume. Oxford: Archaeopress.
>
> As far as the details of interpretation/decipherment are concerned,
> Mahadevan and I did not much agree, but this did not prevent us from
> appreciating and encouraging each other's efforts. This applies especially
> to Mahadevan, who published many praising reviews of my work, and always
> communicated to me information relating to Indus texts that he thought
> might otherwise escape my attention and inclusion in the CISI.
>
> I gratefully remember Mahadevan as a lovable person, whom I had the good
> fortune to have as a dear friend, and as a great scholar, who shared with
> me enthusiasm for India's glorious past.
> _______________________________________________
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 23:33:42 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 18 16:33:42 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: UChicago South Asia Graduate Student Conference
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From: Andrew Halladay <adhalladay at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 14:41
Subject: Re: UChicago South Asia Graduate Student Conference

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 4:17 PM Andrew Halladay <adhalladay at gmail.com>
wrote:

> To whom it may concern,
>
> I hope this finds you well.
>
> I am one of the conference organizers for the Sixteenth Annual South Asia
> Graduate Student Conference at the University of Chicago, "South Asia: The
> Political, the Public, the Popular," to be held on March 8?9, 2019. Our
> keynote speakers will be Ayesha Jalal, the Mary Richardson Professor of
> History at Tufts University, and Pamela Philipose, the public editor of the
> Indian news website *The Wire*.
>
> Please find our Call for Papers attached, and visit our website
> <https://lucian.uchicago.edu/blogs/sagsc/> for more information. We would
> greatly appreciate it if AIIS could circulate this CFP through their
> listserv.
>
> Graduate students at any level and any stage of research are encouraged to
> apply. Interested applicants should send individual paper abstracts of
> 250-words to sagsc2019 at gmail.com by January 4, 2019. Conference
> organizers will assist with travel and lodging for selected participants.
>
> Please email us with any questions you may have.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  Andrew Halladay, Zoya Sameen, and Titas De Sarkar
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 03:14:20 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 18 20:14:20 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Auto-discard notification
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sridhar Mahadevan
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:28:56 +0530
Subject: Re: In memoriam Iravatham Mahadevan

Professor Romila Thapar, one of  India?s most distinguished historians, has
written a  tribute to IM in today?s Hindu newspaper.

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/remembering-iravatham-mahadevan/article25600049.ece



- Sridhar


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 03:17:18 2018
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 18 20:17:18 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Segmentation of Ayurvedic works
In-Reply-To: <CAPTZ0VxZ5HF2gQ0eAX_Gx1+Rjfv4kdoCd2_mCVffyfBFH61Q4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcMsK6nVKxrEQa5K6qYejHYjArqU-g9c=zQ9Lg9rpQ+2g@mail.gmail.com>

I am not aware of any such tagged text being in existence, Claudius.  It
would be so great!  But a lot of work, and a lot of expertise.

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
,

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
,

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
,
University of Alberta, Canada
.

South Asia at the U of A:

sas.ualberta.ca



On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 06:10, Claudius Teodorescu via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know about segmentations of Charaka Samhita or other Ayurvedic
> works, from medical point of view?
>
> For instance, I would be interested to know about how many types of
> premonitory signs and symptoms are for diseases, and which ones are common
> to which diseases...
>
> The same for causes, etc.
>
> This only can be known if the works are segmented properly.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Claudius Teodorescu,
> XML Developer
>
>
>
> --
> http://kuberam.ro
> _______________________________________________
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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 03:20:01 2018
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (jhakgirish)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 18 08:50:01 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses
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Dear Professor DeshpandePranamami.???????????? ?????? ????????????????? ????????? ?? ????????????????????? ?????? ??? ?????????????? ????? ???????????????????????????????? ??????????????Girish K.Jha

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Date: 11/26/18  10:08 PM  (GMT+05:30) To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>, bvparishat at googlegroups.com, e-shabda-charcha-peeth at googlegroups.com, Jayaram Sethuraman <sethu at stat.fsu.edu>, Ranjana Date <ranjanadate51 at gmail.com>, Indira Peterson <indira.p19 at gmail.com>, Antonia Ruppel <rhododaktylos at gmail.com> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses 
Continuing my Krishna verses
??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????? ???????? ???: ???????Krishna is the lord of all forms.  Forms are born from him, they always live in him and they merge into him.
Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor EmeritusSanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan[Residence: Campbell, California]


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From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (jhakgirish)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 18 08:58:17 +0530
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Dear Professor DeshpandePranamami.???????????? ?????? ???????????????? ????????? ?? ????????????????????? ?????? ??? ?????????????? ????? ???????????????????????????????? ??????????????Girish K.Jha

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-------- Original message --------From: Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Date: 11/26/18  10:08 PM  (GMT+05:30) To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>, bvparishat at googlegroups.com, e-shabda-charcha-peeth at googlegroups.com, Jayaram Sethuraman <sethu at stat.fsu.edu>, Ranjana Date <ranjanadate51 at gmail.com>, Indira Peterson <indira.p19 at gmail.com>, Antonia Ruppel <rhododaktylos at gmail.com> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses 
Continuing my Krishna verses
??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????? ???????? ???: ???????Krishna is the lord of all forms.  Forms are born from him, they always live in him and they merge into him.
Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor EmeritusSanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan[Residence: Campbell, California]
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-------- Original message --------From: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> Date: 11/26/18  8:43 PM  (GMT+05:30) To: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>, bvparishat at googlegroups.com, e-shabda-charcha-peeth at googlegroups.com, Jayaram Sethuraman <sethu at stat.fsu.edu>, Ranjana Date <ranjanadate51 at gmail.com>, Indira Peterson <indira.p19 at gmail.com>, Antonia Ruppel <rhododaktylos at gmail.com> Subject: {???????????????????} Continuing my Krishna verses 
Continuing my Krishna verses
??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????? ???????? ???: ???????Krishna is the lord of all forms.  Forms are born from him, they always live in him and they merge into him.
Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor EmeritusSanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan[Residence: Campbell, California]



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From heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de  Tue Nov 27 13:44:34 2018
From: heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de (Heike Oberlin)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 18 14:44:34 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Malayalam_for_Beginners_@_T=C3=BCbingen:_11.-15..2._&_18.-22.2.2019?=
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Dear members of the list,

in T?bingen a Malayalam intensive course for beginners will take place again in February 2019:

Malaya?l?am ? Course for Beginners
11.-15..2. & 18.-22.2.2019
Prof. Dr. Heike Oberlin
Venue: Institute of Asian and Oriental Studies, Dept. of Indology Keplerstr. 2, 72074 Tuebingen, room 002
Time: both weeks Monday ? Friday, daily 10:00-12:30 and 14:30-17:00 h
Fees:
For students of the University of Tuebingen: both weeks 15 ? (copying costs for teaching materials)
Others: per week 60 ? (including copying costs for teaching materials)
Registration: heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de <mailto:sarah.merkle-schneider at uni-tuebingen.de>
Credit points / ECTS: Each of the two weeks is equivalent to a regular course with 2 hours per week (2 Semesterwochenstunden). For students of other departments or universities: The count of credit points must be fixed individually with the respective department or home university.
A continuation course is supposed to be offered as part of the Gundert Chair in summer 2019.

Best regards,
Heike Oberlin


-------------------
Prof. Dr. Heike Oberlin
Eberhard Karls University of Tuebingen
Institute of Asian and Oriental Studies (AOI)
Dept. of Indology and Comparative Religion
Keplerstr. 2 (room 139)  ? 72074 Tuebingen ? Germany

Phone +49 7071 29-74005 ? Mobile +49 176 20030066
heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de
 
http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/aoi/indologie/mitarbeiter/heike-oberlin-moser.html








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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Tue Nov 27 18:01:07 2018
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rocher, Rosane D)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 18 18:01:07 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: UPenn South Asia Studies Dept Hiring - Sanskrit
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The South Asia Studies Department at the University of Pennsylvania invites applications for a full-time appointment as Lecturer in Sanskrit. The appointment will begin in August 2019 and includes teaching six courses per academic year. This appointment will be for one academic year with the possibility of annual renewal for up to an additional two years, contingent upon a satisfactory performance review and approval of the Dean.

The appointee will be expected to contribute to the long-term quality, stability and development of the Sanskrit program at Penn. Candidates must have research and teaching experience in Sanskrit. A PhD or near-PhD is strongly preferred. Preference will be given to candidates with proven creativity and pedagogical success in the design and delivery of courses, particularly at the elementary and intermediate levels of instruction.

Applications will be reviewed starting December 1, 2018 and will continue until the position is filled. Applications should be submitted on-line at http://facultysearches.provost.upenn.edu/postings/1506 and include a cover letter, a curriculum vitae, a statement of language pedagogy philosophy and experience, a statement of research interests, and the names and contact information of three individuals who will provide a letter of recommendation. Recommenders will be contacted by the University with instructions on how to submit a letter of recommendation to the website. Please direct all inquiries to Dr. Gregory Goulding, Chair of the Sanskrit Lecturer Search.

The Department of South Asia Studies is strongly committed to Penn?s Action Plan for Faculty Diversity and Excellence and to creating a more diverse faculty (for more information see: http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/volumes/v58/n02/diversityplan.html). The University of Pennsylvania is an EOE. Minorities/Women/Individuals with disabilities/Protected Veterans are encouraged to apply.

The University of Pennsylvania values diversity and seeks talented students, faculty and staff from diverse backgrounds. The University of Pennsylvania does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, creed, national or ethnic origin, citizenship status, age, disability, veteran status or any other legally protected class status in the administration of its admissions, financial aid, educational or athletic programs, or other University-administered programs or in its employment practices. Questions or complaints regarding this policy should be directed to the Executive Director of the Office of Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity Programs, Sansom Place East, 3600 Chestnut Street, Suite 228, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6106; or (215) 898-6993 (Voice) or (215) 898-7803 (TDD).



Questions regarding this position may be addressed to the Department Coordinator, 215-898-7475 or zoeb at sas.upenn.edu<mailto:zoeb at sas.upenn.edu>.

Position posted 11/27/18 until filled.

--
Zoe Katz
Department Coordinator
South Asia Studies Department
255 S. 36th St. 820 Williams Hall
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA 19104
215-898-7475
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From chakrabortydeepro at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 05:06:42 2018
From: chakrabortydeepro at gmail.com (Deepro Chakraborty)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 18 22:06:42 -0700
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Request_for_a_text:_Sam=C4=81j=C4=81nu=C5=9B=C4=81sana-s=C5=ABtra_by_Trivikramat=C4=ABrtha_Sv=C4=81min?=
Message-ID: <CAPNpus0=TRKmPgtqrtTM6vx54qoDnUGrvUjDuVsYuCN5x-ZEDA@mail.gmail.com>

I found a reference to the following book in NCC (vol. 38. p. 1) and also
in the Sanskrit Books Catalogue of India Office Library (Vol. II, Part I,
Section IV, p. 2262)
<https://archive.org/stream/IndiaOffice_CatalogueOfSanskritBooks/Nath%20and%20Chaudhuri_Catalogue%20India%20Office%20Sanskrit%20Books%20S-Z_1957#mode/2up>
:

Sam?j?nu??sana-s?tra by Trivikramat?rtha Sv?min,
Var???rama-viveka-s?tra-sametam.
?r?trivikramat?rtha-sv?mi-cara?ai? sa?grathitam. pp. 62. 17X11 cm.
Karnatak Printing Press, Bombay [1922].

I don't find this book even on www.worldcat.org

Can anyone share a copy of this book?

Regards,
Deepro


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From Palaniappa at aol.com  Wed Nov 28 20:01:23 2018
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 18 14:01:23 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] India's dangerous new curriculum
Message-ID: <CA1470FC-2F39-409F-B5BD-51AE11C097B5@aol.com>

The list members may be interested in this article.

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/12/06/indias-dangerous-new-curriculum/ <https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/12/06/indias-dangerous-new-curriculum/>

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From shenyiming.bas at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 17:11:11 2018
From: shenyiming.bas at gmail.com (Yiming)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 18 18:11:11 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Coffee Break Conference Oxford, 4-6 Dec. (programme attached)
Message-ID: <CAHKdJ06qJ9AYLv78TGMwb7gNHoQnU5CWksbeJdQAjL7+XA1fUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,


We are happy to announce that the 9th Coffee Break Conference, with the
theme "Science and Technology in Premodern Asia", will be hosted at Wolfson
College, University of Oxford, on 4-6 December 2018.

The final conference programme has been released. Please find it attached.

We will be more than happy to answer any questions in the following email
address: yiming.shen at wolfson.ox.ac.uk



Looking forward to hearing from / seeing you soon,

Yiming


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From karolindubois at yahoo.fr  Thu Nov 29 21:04:04 2018
From: karolindubois at yahoo.fr (Caroline DUBOIS)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 18 22:04:04 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Questions about Octavio Paz's Indian sources
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Dear List Members, 

I would like to thank you for your invaluable help in my investigations on Octavio Paz?s Monkey Grammarian. Thanks to your precise and documented informations, I could identify the very probable translation from which Paz rewrote his text. Actually, even if he indeed stayed in Paris between 1959 and 1961, that is to say a very short time after the publication of Hymnes sp?culatifs (1956), it seems that he decided to use Renou?s first translation (1938) : Octavio Paz keeps ? salta ? whereas Renou abandoned this term in the 2nd translation.

I already knew that in several places he condensed elements taken from different parts of Sanskrit sources, such as the Ramayana or the Shatapatabrahma, but he always gave a reference. In this case, he left it hidden. Besides the symbolic interpretations, it shows that the structure of the Vedic ritual was used as a metatextual metaphor.

I am deeply grateful for your help and I am pleased that this list exists and is ready to help people who work in other fields. 

Kind regards,

Caroline Dubois


> Le 19 nov. 2018 ? 22:25, Georges PINAULT <georges.pinault at wanadoo.fr> a ?crit :
> 
> Dear Caroline Dubois,   Thanks for your query. It would be extremely interesting to search for the Indian sources of some of the themes of Octavio Paz. The  title Monkey Grammarian evokes "Classical" India by itself. I have identified the sources of the quotation which you give: it corresponds clearly to RigVeda 4.58, a famous hymn, so called "mystical" hymn, to the sacrificial clarified butter, which is identified to the soma. I cannot comment here on this wonderful hymn, but it is translated in several anthologies, in addition to the complete translations of the RigVeda (Geldner, 1951 and now Jamison & Brereton, 2014) : see for instance L. Renou, Hymnes sp?culatifs du Veda, Paris, 1956, pp. 33-35. The text of Octavio Paz is some kind of paraphrase/synthesis of the stanzas 5 to 8 (see precisely p. 34 of Renou's book) of RV 4.58. The wording of the quotation which you give corresponds precisely to some passages of Renou's translation. This hymn has been translated two other times by Renou, first in Hymnes et pri?res du Veda, Paris, 1938, p. 47-48. Since Paz, if I am  not mistaken, spent some time in France, I do not exclude, and even I surmise, that he has known Renou's translations. It would be interesting to check which of Renou's translations he has effectively used for this transposition. 
> 
> I remain at your disposal for further information. Best wishes,   Georges-Jean Pinault (EPHE, Paris)
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> > Message du 19/11/18 16:04
> > De : "Caroline DUBOIS via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info>
> > A : indology at list.indology.info
> > Copie ? : 
> > Objet : [INDOLOGY] Questions about Octavio Paz's Indian sources
> > 
> >
> Dear Colleagues, 
>  
> I am working on a PhD thesis in Spanish studies about the influence of Indian cultures on Octavio Paz?s poetry, in Lille University. Although I have some knowledge of Sanskrit, it is still very limited. 
>  
> In the Monkey Grammarian, the following excerpt looks like the translation of a liturgical hymn: 
>  
>  ?Brotan los arroyos de mantequilla (la verga de oro est? en el centro), corren como r?os, se reparten y huyen como gacelas ante el cazador, saltan como mujeres que van a una cita de amor, las cucharadas de mantequilla acarician al le?o abrasado y el Fuego las acepta complacido.? (Original text, published in 1974)
>  
> ?Jaillissent les ruisseaux de beurre (la verge d?or est au centre), ils roulent comme les fleuves, se divisent et fuient telles devant le chasseur les gazelles, sautent comme des femmes courant au rendez-vous d?amour, les cuiller?es de beurre caressent les b?ches embras?es et le Feu s?y compla?t et les accepte.? (French translation published in 1972, before the original Spanish text).  
> 
> I thought it was written after a Vedic hymn but I was unable to find anything similar in the R?gveda. I would be very grateful if somebody can identify the original text. 
>  
> Besides, in the epigraph of the same book, Paz quotes Dowson, A classical Dictionary of Hindu Mythology:
>  
> ?Hanum?n was a grammarian; and the R?m?yana says: ?The chief of monkeys is perfect; no one equals him in the s?stras, in learning, and in ascertaining the sense of scriptures (or moving at will). It is is well known that Hanum?n was the ninth author of grammar?.?
>  
> Would anybody know where I could find more information about that tradition of grammarians?
> Are there anymore informations than what is given by Muir and Colebrooke?
>  
>  
> I thank you in advance for your help
> Kind regards, 
>  
> Caroline Parvaty Dubois
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de  Fri Nov 30 11:15:31 2018
From: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de (Julia Hegewald)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 18 12:15:31 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Cluster of Dependency, University of Bonn: Workshop on visual material
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Dear members of the list,

The University of Bonn has recently been awarded a major research grant (Cluster of Excellence) to examine extreme forms of dependency, which will run for the next 7 years. 

Research Area B focusses on material culture and visual arts and examines objects produced in situations of dependency or depictions of them. This could e.g. include an examination of the relationship/dependency of artists from patrons, priests, religious texts or norms. One could work on the Bhakti movement where people consider themselves ?slaves of god? (are there visual representations of this?). One could study iconographical depictions which depict suppression or dependency, such as Nataraja or Kali crushing the demon of ignorance below their feet. The theme could also be annexed statues or buildings etc. I am sure one could think of a large number of possible research foci.

In order to get a better idea of the various scholars having an interest in this area, we are organising a workshop in Bonn in February where also young candidates can present their research or their ideas for prospective projects at doctoral and postdoctoral level. The cluster will also advertise Postdoc posts to head funded research groups. We would also be very interested to involve senior international scholars in the debate of the cluster in a number of ways (visiting fellows, advisory board etc.).

Please see the attached information. All travel expenses will be reimbursed. Please also feel free to forward the information to other interested parties.

With kind regards,

Julia Hegewald.



Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald
Professor of Oriental Art History
Head of Department
University of Bonn
Institute of Oriental and Asian Studies (IOA)
Department of Asian and Islamic Art History
Adenauerallee 10
53113 Bonn
Germany

Email: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de
www.aik.uni-bonn.de
Tel. 0049-228-73 7213
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From tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de  Fri Nov 30 18:55:44 2018
From: tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de (tatiana.oranskaia)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 18 19:55:44 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question
Message-ID: <20181130195544.Horde.UDbA1VffRBZHN-BYuNb6oZM@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>


Dear colleagues,

I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the following
passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to  
'PraakRtadhyaaya':
"Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are  almost invariably  
accompanied
with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." (p.34)

What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it?
Does it show some specific local features?

With best wishes,
Tatiana Oranskaia

-- 
Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia
Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
Asien-Afrika-Institut
Universit?t Hamburg
Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re.
20354 Hamburg

Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ)
Fax: 040 42838 6944
tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de







From ggouldin at sas.upenn.edu  Fri Nov 30 19:04:20 2018
From: ggouldin at sas.upenn.edu (Goulding, Gregory)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 18 19:04:20 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Correction:_UPenn_South_Asia_Studies_Dept_Hiring_-_Sanskrit_=E2=80=94_due_1/4/19?=
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Dear List Members,


Please note that although this has been posted already, applications will in fact be reviewed starting January 4, 2019, not December 1, 2018 as is stated in the original call for applications. Apologies for any misunderstanding.


The South Asia Studies Department at the University of Pennsylvania invites applications for a full-time appointment as Lecturer in Sanskrit. The appointment will begin in August 2019 and includes teaching six courses per academic year. This appointment will be for one academic year with the possibility of annual renewal for up to an additional two years, contingent upon a satisfactory performance review and approval of the Dean.

The appointee will be expected to contribute to the long-term quality, stability and development of the Sanskrit program at Penn. Candidates must have research and teaching experience in Sanskrit. A PhD or near-PhD is strongly preferred. Preference will be given to candidates with proven creativity and pedagogical success in the design and delivery of courses, particularly at the elementary and intermediate levels of instruction.

Applications will be reviewed starting January 4, 2019 and will continue until the position is filled. Applications should be submitted on-line at http://facultysearches.provost.upenn.edu/postings/1506 and include a cover letter, a curriculum vitae, a statement of language pedagogy philosophy and experience, a statement of research interests, and the names and contact information of three individuals who will provide a letter of recommendation. Recommenders will be contacted by the University with instructions on how to submit a letter of recommendation to the website. Please direct all inquiries to Dr. Gregory Goulding, Chair of the Sanskrit Lecturer Search.


The Department of South Asia Studies is strongly committed to Penn?s Action Plan for Faculty Diversity and Excellence and to creating a more diverse faculty (for more information see: http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/volumes/v58/n02/diversityplan.html). The University of Pennsylvania is an EOE. Minorities/Women/Individuals with disabilities/Protected Veterans are encouraged to apply.


The University of Pennsylvania values diversity and seeks talented students, faculty and staff from diverse backgrounds. The University of Pennsylvania does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, creed, national or ethnic origin, citizenship status, age, disability, veteran status or any other legally protected class status in the administration of its admissions, financial aid, educational or athletic programs, or other University-administered programs or in its employment practices. Questions or complaints regarding this policy should be directed to the Executive Director of the Office of Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity Programs, Sansom Place East, 3600 Chestnut Street, Suite 228, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6106; or (215) 898-6993 (Voice) or (215) 898-7803 (TDD).



Questions regarding this position may be addressed to the Department Coordinator, 215-898-7475 or zoeb at sas.upenn.edu<mailto:zoeb at sas.upenn.edu>.

Applications will be reviewed starting January 4, 2019 and will continue until the position is filled.


Please feel free to forward this widely to any interested parties.


Kind Regards,


Gregory Goulding
Assistant Professor
Department of South Asia Studies
University of Pennsylvania


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From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu  Fri Nov 30 19:06:59 2018
From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (Rocher, Rosane D)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 18 19:06:59 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:__Correction:_UPenn_South_Asia_Studies_Dept_Hiring_-_Sanskrit_=E2=80=94_due_1/4/19?=
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Revised date Jan. 4, 1819

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Date:   Fri, 30 Nov 2018 19:04:20 +0000
From:   Goulding, Gregory via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info><mailto:indology at list.indology.info>
Reply-To:       Goulding, Gregory <ggouldin at sas.upenn.edu><mailto:ggouldin at sas.upenn.edu>
To:     indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <indology at list.indology.info><mailto:indology at list.indology.info>



Dear List Members,


Please note that although this has been posted already, applications will in fact be reviewed starting January 4, 2019, not December 1, 2018 as is stated in the original call for applications. Apologies for any misunderstanding.


The South Asia Studies Department at the University of Pennsylvania invites applications for a full-time appointment as Lecturer in Sanskrit. The appointment will begin in August 2019 and includes teaching six courses per academic year. This appointment will be for one academic year with the possibility of annual renewal for up to an additional two years, contingent upon a satisfactory performance review and approval of the Dean.

The appointee will be expected to contribute to the long-term quality, stability and development of the Sanskrit program at Penn. Candidates must have research and teaching experience in Sanskrit. A PhD or near-PhD is strongly preferred. Preference will be given to candidates with proven creativity and pedagogical success in the design and delivery of courses, particularly at the elementary and intermediate levels of instruction.

Applications will be reviewed starting January 4, 2019 and will continue until the position is filled. Applications should be submitted on-line at http://facultysearches.provost.upenn.edu/postings/1506 and include a cover letter, a curriculum vitae, a statement of language pedagogy philosophy and experience, a statement of research interests, and the names and contact information of three individuals who will provide a letter of recommendation. Recommenders will be contacted by the University with instructions on how to submit a letter of recommendation to the website. Please direct all inquiries to Dr. Gregory Goulding, Chair of the Sanskrit Lecturer Search.


The Department of South Asia Studies is strongly committed to Penn?s Action Plan for Faculty Diversity and Excellence and to creating a more diverse faculty (for more information see: http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/volumes/v58/n02/diversityplan.html). The University of Pennsylvania is an EOE. Minorities/Women/Individuals with disabilities/Protected Veterans are encouraged to apply.


The University of Pennsylvania values diversity and seeks talented students, faculty and staff from diverse backgrounds. The University of Pennsylvania does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, creed, national or ethnic origin, citizenship status, age, disability, veteran status or any other legally protected class status in the administration of its admissions, financial aid, educational or athletic programs, or other University-administered programs or in its employment practices. Questions or complaints regarding this policy should be directed to the Executive Director of the Office of Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity Programs, Sansom Place East, 3600 Chestnut Street, Suite 228, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6106; or (215) 898-6993 (Voice) or (215) 898-7803 (TDD).



Questions regarding this position may be addressed to the Department Coordinator, 215-898-7475 or zoeb at sas.upenn.edu<mailto:zoeb at sas.upenn.edu>.

Applications will be reviewed starting January 4, 2019 and will continue until the position is filled.


Please feel free to forward this widely to any interested parties.


Kind Regards,


Gregory Goulding
Assistant Professor
Department of South Asia Studies
University of Pennsylvania




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From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 22:05:00 2018
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 18 17:05:00 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question
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Dear Tatiana,

You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra .

Harry Spier

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the following
> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to
> 'PraakRtadhyaaya':
> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are  almost invariably
> accompanied
> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." (p.34)
>
> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it?
> Does it show some specific local features?
>
> With best wishes,
> Tatiana Oranskaia
>
> --
> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia
> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets
> Asien-Afrika-Institut
> Universit?t Hamburg
> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re.
> 20354 Hamburg
>
> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ)
> Fax: 040 42838 6944
> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de
>
>
>
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