[INDOLOGY] Brackets in modern sanskrit translations

Tue Jun 5 21:50:09 UTC 2018

On a related note, it might be worth looking at Eva Wilden's introduction
to her new edition and translation of the Akanāṉūṟu, where the style of
translation is specifically addressed and defended. I'm afraid I don't have
the volumes at hand  and so cannot give an exact page reference, but they
will soon be freely available online.  In any case, the style and purpose
of a translation are certainly contingent on many factors.

I'm also not entirely sure about the label "Germanism" and the sweeping
statements about Germans. I've read this passage to several Germans
including my students, who regularly translate Sanskrit into German. The
remarks don't seem to hold much water (any more ?). Furthermore, one may
have a look at the translation of the Durghaṭavṛtti by Louis Renou (a
Frenchman), in which quite a bit of text is placed between (). On the flip
side, Geldner's translation of the Ṛgveda is rather light on the ()'s.

As for Kielhorn's translation of the Paribhāṣenduśekhara, I'm not sure the
()'s are all that much of a hindrance and certainly very helpful at times,
but should they still be seen as a fault:

eko hi doṣo guṇasaṃnipāte nimajjatīndoḥ kiraṇeṣv ivāṅkaḥ //

All the Best,
Victor

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Birgit Kellner via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> I find the positive reasons adduced by Alex also convincing. I am
> wondering sometimes whether instead of the "translation without brackets"
> approach it might not be better to begin devising a new genre, one that
> does not announce itself as "translation", but more of a paraphrase or
> interpretive rendering which somehow makes transparent (1) that someone
> renders a Sanskrit text in another language (English or German or ...) and
> thus follows the logic / narrative and terminology of the text and (2) that
> interpretative work has gone into this rendering that makes it expressing
> one among several perhaps equally possible interpretations. Perhaps the
> problem is not one of how to translate, but that translation is overcharged
> with too many different and divergent functions, and expectations.
>
> I don't find Dominik's argument to the effect that using brackets in a
> translation is premised on the assumption that the Sanskrit text is
> incoherent particularly convincing. Authors of texts make assumptions about
> what their audience knows, and expect them to fill in gaps. We are at a
> historical distance from these authors, and which gaps to fill, and how, is
> interpretative work we have to do, and (now going back to Alex' points
> about intellectual honesty) it may be advisable to signal where more of
> this work has been required, for instance, by brackets. This isn't a
> question of incoherence, it is perhaps a question of recognizing a
> legitimate multiplicity of different renderings.
>
> Best regards, Birgit Kellner
>
>
>
> Am 2018-06-05 um 21:19 schrieb Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY:
>
> I tend to agree with Alex. Much depends on what readers the translation is
> for. Since even professional Sanskritists may use translations to inform
> themselves about texts that are not the focus of their research, these
> texts better not misinform their readers.
>
> A concrete example may clarify this. Cowell and Gough’s translation of the
> *Sarvadarśanasaṃgraha* ends with the words:
>
> “The system of Śaṅkara, which comes next in succession, and which is the
> crest-gem of all systems, has been explained by us elsewhere; it is
> therefore left untouched here.”
>
> Editions of the *Sarvadarśanasaṃgraha* that were made after this
> translation added a chapter on the “system of Śaṅkara” found in some
> manuscripts. Subsequently, and perhaps partly because of this translation,
> most scholars accepted that this final chapter had been composed by the
> same author.
>
> However, the Sanskrit translated by Cowell and Gough has nothing
> corresponding to *by us*. It reads: *itaḥ paraṃ
> sarvadarśanaśiromaṇibhūtaṃ śāṃkaradarśanam anyatra nirūpitam *(or:
> *likhitam*) *ity atropekṣitaṃ*. And the question as to the authorship of
> this chapter remains open. Cowell and Gough might have done their readers,
> and scholarship, a favour by putting [by us] in brackets.
>
>
> Johannes Bronkhorst
>
>
>
> On 5 Jun 2018, at 20:16, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> I found Dominik's list of reasons for using brackets incomplete /
> one-sided.
> I would include at least the two following positive reasons.
>
> 1. While brackets may disrupt the flow for readers who are not also
> looking at the Sanskrit, they are helpful for those who are comparing your
> translation with the Sanskrit.  (Since translations of most Sanskrit
> philosophical texts, especially the more technical ones, are extremely
> difficult to understand without simultaneously looking at the Sanskrit, I
> find the use of brackets in the translation of philosophical texts more
> desirable than undesirable.)
>
> 2. Intellectual honesty.  Use of brackets signals what follows
> straightforwardly from the Sanskrit, and what is the result of addition or
> interpretation on your part – which English etc. words correspond to
> Sanskrit words, and what you have chosen to add in to complete the sense,
> to disambiguate, or to make explicit to the reader what would have remained
> obscure if you had just stuck to rendering the Sanskrit words.
>
> Best
> Alex
>
> --
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> Head of Philosophy Department
> Ashoka University
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>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
>> To: Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 20:23:19 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Brackets in modern sanskrit translations
>> Your question presses a big red button for me :-)  My thoughts are here
>> <https://cikitsa.blogspot.com/2016/04/on-use-of-parentheses-in-translation.html>
>> .
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> ,
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ,
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ,
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> .
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
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