From andrew.ollett at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 18:07:34 2018 From: andrew.ollett at gmail.com (Andrew Ollett) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 18 13:07:34 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Happy New Year In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ???? ?? ?????? ??????????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????? ?????????? ??????????????? ????????????? ? 2017-12-25 9:27 GMT-05:00 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > ?????? ?????????? ???????????? ??????? ? > > ????? ???: ???? ?????? ??? ???????? ???? ?? > > ?May the evil go away and may there be permanent peace. May the entire > world be happy in this shining New Year.? > > > Madhav Deshpande > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jknutson at hawaii.edu Tue Jan 2 20:18:44 2018 From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 18 10:18:44 -1000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Commentarial Sanskrit: publication by Michel Angot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes this looks amazing. Where is the best place to order it online? 2017-12-31 5:00 GMT-10:00 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > Looks like a wonderful publication. > > Madhav Deshpande > > 2017-12-31 3:44 GMT-08:00 Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info>: > >> Dear Indologists, >> An important publication on COMMENTARIAL SANSKRIT in 941 pages -- an >> encyclopedic overview for specialists and students full of examples and >> analyses that stay always close to the erudite tradition which it describes >> -- appeared this year and has not yet been announced in this forum as far >> as I know: >> . >> >> Michel Angot >> >> Le Sanskrit Commentarial >> >> I. Les Gloses >> >> Paris : Les Belles Lettres, 2017 >> >> >> >> From the detailed table of contents, pp. 926-940 (14 pages): >> >> ... sanskrit, k?vya, l?usage politique du sanskrit po?tique ... >> >> I. les analyses des mots >> >> -analyse et th?orie du mot >> >> ... >> >> -L?ordre des mots attendu et ses alt?rations >> >> --L?ordre des mots dans la prose non affect? par le k?vya >> >> --Commentaire de Hariv??abha : le yoga de la parole selon Bhart?hari >> >> --L?ordre des mots affect? par le k?vya >> >> A. vyutpatti par vy?kara?a >> >> --k?danta >> >> --taddhita >> >> ... >> >> B. vyutpatti par nirvacana >> >> C. pary?ya ou gloses s?mantiques >> >> D. le sense contextuel, prakara?a >> >> >> >> II. the sentence >> >> A. ancient analyses >> >> B. analyses vy?kara?iques >> >> -vy?kara?a >> >> -parini??hitat? >> >> -le nominatif proleptique >> >> -anabhihite >> >> -accord >> >> -Bhart?hari et la promotion id?ologique de la phrase >> >> -les analyses vy?kara?iques tardives >> >> C. la phrase nominale >> >> D. les ala?k?ra ?ornaments, tropes? >> >> E. la relation >> >> >> >> III. Les ?l?ments du commentaire >> >> A. les ny?yas ?maximes? >> >> B. les r?f?rences au m?la >> >> C. les r?f?rences aux textes ? l?appui >> >> >> >> IV. La structure du commentaire >> >> A. l?organisation de la controverse : le discours direct >> >> B. l?organisation de la controverse : p?rvapak?a et siddh?nta >> >> C. le vocabulaire de la controverse >> >> >> >> V. La phrase et la pens?e >> >> VI. Sur le k?vya >> >> >> >> Appendices >> >> Bibliographie s?lective >> >> Index sanskrit >> >> Expressions standard des commentaires >> >> Auteurs et oeuvres cit?s >> >> Ouvrages anciens cit?s express?ment >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jesse Ross Knutson PhD Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures University of Hawai'i at M?noa 461 Spalding -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e.demichelis at ymail.com Tue Jan 2 20:30:03 2018 From: e.demichelis at ymail.com (Elizabeth De Michelis) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 18 20:30:03 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Commentarial Sanskrit: publication by Michel Angot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1092703891.13083373.1514925003267@mail.yahoo.com> I guess an obvious place would be the publisher's, Les Belles Lettres themselves: https://www.lesbelleslettres.com/livre/2884-sanskrit-commentarial-tome-i who may also suggest alternative ways, perhaps, if they have distributors elsewhere in the world. I have little doubt that they can deal with queries in English. You can also find a number of other books by Michel Angot in their catalogue. With best regards, E De Michelistinyurl.com/EDM-profile On Tuesday, 2 January 2018, 21:19:37 CET, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY wrote: Yes this looks amazing. Where is the best place to order it online? 2017-12-31 5:00 GMT-10:00 Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY : Looks like a wonderful publication. Madhav Deshpande 2017-12-31 3:44 GMT-08:00 Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY : Dear Indologists,?An important publication on COMMENTARIAL SANSKRIT in 941 pages -- an encyclopedic overview for specialists and students full of examples and analyses that stay always close to the erudite tradition which it describes -- appeared this year and has not yet been announced in this forum as far as I know:?. Michel Angot Le Sanskrit Commentarial I. Les Gloses Paris?: Les Belles Lettres, 2017 ? >From the detailed table of contents, pp.926-940 (14 pages):? ... sanskrit, k?vya, l?usage politique du sanskrit po?tique ... I. les analyses des mots -analyse et th?orie du mot ... -L?ordre des mots attendu et ses alt?rations --L?ordre des mots dans la prose non affect?par le k?vya --Commentaire de Hariv??abha?: le yoga de la parole selon Bhart?hari --L?ordre des mots affect? par le k?vya A. vyutpatti par vy?kara?a --k?danta --taddhita ... B. vyutpatti par nirvacana C. pary?ya ou gloses s?mantiques D. le sense contextuel, prakara?a ? II. the sentence A. ancient analyses B. analyses vy?kara?iques -vy?kara?a -parini??hitat? -le nominatif proleptique -anabhihite -accord -Bhart?hari et la promotion id?ologique de la phrase -les analyses vy?kara?iques tardives C. la phrase nominale D. les ala?k?ra ?ornaments, tropes? E. la relation ? III. Les ?l?ments du commentaire A. les ny?yas ?maximes? B. les r?f?rences au m?la C. les r?f?rences aux textes ? l?appui ? IV. La structure du commentaire A. l?organisation de la controverse?: lediscours direct B. l?organisation de la controverse?: p?rvapak?a et siddh?nta C. le vocabulaire de la controverse ? V. La phrase et la pens?e VI. Sur le k?vya ? Appendices Bibliographie s?lective Index sanskrit Expressions standard des commentaires Auteurs et oeuvres cit?s Ouvrages anciens cit?s express?ment ? ______________________________ _________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.i nfo (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ______________________________ _________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology. info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------Jesse Ross Knutson PhD Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali?Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and LiteraturesUniversity of Hawai'i at?M?noa 461 Spalding_______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------Jesse Ross Knutson PhD Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali?Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and LiteraturesUniversity of Hawai'i at?M?noa 461 Spalding -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jknutson at hawaii.edu Wed Jan 3 04:18:13 2018 From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 18 18:18:13 -1000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Commentarial Sanskrit: publication by Michel Angot In-Reply-To: <1493537764.13246194.1514950244098@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you! On Jan 2, 2018 5:30 PM, "Elizabeth De Michelis" wrote: > Just checked and actually this and other Angot books published by Les > Belles Lettres are also available via Amazon.com, .co.uk etc. - it does > not need to be Amazon.fr necessarily. > > > On Wednesday, 3 January 2018, 00:48:49 CET, Jesse Knutson < > jknutson at hawaii.edu> wrote: > > > Thanks > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Matthew Kapstein > wrote: > > You can also find it on amazon.fr, > where you can sign in using your amazon account (if you have one). > > Matthew > > Matthew Kapstein > Directeur d'?tudes, > Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes > > Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, > The University of Chicago > ------------------------------ > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jesse Ross Knutson PhD > Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali > Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures > University of Hawai'i at M?noa > 461 Spalding > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Kindle version is available right now, but the hard copy version will be available on Feb 14. https://www.amazon.com/Oxford-History-Hinduism-Hindu-Dharmasastra/dp/0198702604/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1515019375&sr=8-1&keywords=Oxford+History+of+Hinduism With best wishes for the New Year, Patrick Olivelle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 03:07:52 2018 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 18 22:07:52 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PIhrase in Lingastakam Message-ID: Dear list members, Verse 7 of the li?g???akam is: a??adaloparive??itali?ga? sarvasamudbhavak?ra?ali?gam a??adaridravin??itali?a? tatpra?am?mi sad??ivali?gam I;ve seen various interpretations of the phrase a??adaloparive??itali?ga? M. Aktor in his article "The Sivalinga between artifact and nature" translates the phrase as "the lingam which is enclosed upon an eight petaled lotus" and interprets that as a reference to a Shiva lingam with an eight petaled lotus design on its pedestal. I've seen other interpretations of this phrase, some as a reference to a lingam in an eight petaled cakra in the body, and others just as a lingam surrounded by eight petaled lotuses. But I've been asked if this phrase might be a reference to either: a) A yantra that has a lingam in the center and is surrounded by an eight petaled lotus. Are any of the list members aware of any references in the Sanskrit literature to a Yantra with an eight petaled lotus pattern and a lingam in the center? There is a websiite lingabhairavi.org that has such a yantra but I've been unable to find any other references to such a yantra so I'm wondering if this isn't just a modern innovation. or b) A ritual where the lingam is placed on a mandala made of either coloured grains or other coloured material in an eight petaled lotus pattern and worshiped. Is anyone aware of such a ritual? Also is anyone aware of other interpretations of this phrase. Thanks,, Harry Spier Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 04:55:38 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 18 10:25:38 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PIhrase in Lingastakam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *Ashtdal Aripan* This Alpana is used for Dev puja such as Satyanarayan puja, Anant Chaturdashi, Devotthan puja etc. The Alpana is made up of eight straight lines joined with eight curved lines and decorated by arches dots etc. Eight symbols (Shankh, Chakra, Gada, Padma, Kripan, Damaroo, Pash and Trishu are essential) at http://www.angelfire.com/home/mithila/alpana.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0jaC_yHJn8 5:58 onwards at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7l27aYDlQ [image: Inline image 1] Sri Yantra has Shiva and Shakti triangles. Both S'aakteyas and S'aivas worship the same with their own emphasis. Ashtadala seen in the above image when viewed with a Shiva perspective may help to understand the phrase. On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > > > Verse 7 of the li?g???akam is: > > a??adaloparive??itali?ga? > > sarvasamudbhavak?ra?ali?gam > > a??adaridravin??itali?a? > > tatpra?am?mi sad??ivali?gam > > > I;ve seen various interpretations of the phrase a??adaloparive??itali?ga? > > M. Aktor in his article "The Sivalinga between artifact and nature" > translates the phrase as "the lingam which is enclosed upon an eight > petaled lotus" and interprets that as a reference to a Shiva lingam with > an eight petaled lotus design on its pedestal. I've seen other > interpretations of this phrase, some as a reference to a lingam in an eight > petaled cakra in the body, and others just as a lingam surrounded by eight > petaled lotuses. > > > But I've been asked if this phrase might be a reference to either: > > a) A yantra that has a lingam in the center and is surrounded by an eight > petaled lotus. > > Are any of the list members aware of any references in the Sanskrit > literature to a Yantra with an eight petaled lotus pattern and a lingam in > the center? There is a websiite lingabhairavi.org that has such a yantra > but I've been unable to find any other references to such a yantra so I'm > wondering if this isn't just a modern innovation. > > or > > b) A ritual where the lingam is placed on a mandala made of either > coloured grains or other coloured material in an eight petaled lotus > pattern and worshiped. > > Is anyone aware of such a ritual? > > > Also is anyone aware of other interpretations of this phrase. > > > Thanks,, > > Harry Spier > > > Thanks, > > Harry Spier > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 05:10:56 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 18 10:40:56 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PIhrase in Lingastakam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For the third line, the version: a??adaridravin??itali?a? is new for me. a??adaridravin??anali?a? a??adaridravin??akali?a? are the known ones. On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > *Ashtdal Aripan* > > This Alpana is used for Dev puja such as Satyanarayan puja, Anant > Chaturdashi, Devotthan puja etc. > The Alpana is made up of eight straight lines joined with eight curved > lines and decorated by arches dots etc. Eight symbols (Shankh, Chakra, > Gada, Padma, Kripan, Damaroo, Pash and Trishu are essential) > > at > > http://www.angelfire.com/home/mithila/alpana.htm > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0jaC_yHJn8 > > > 5:58 onwards at > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7l27aYDlQ > > > [image: Inline image 1] > > > Sri Yantra has Shiva and Shakti triangles. > > Both S'aakteyas and S'aivas worship the same with their own emphasis. > > Ashtadala seen in the above image when viewed with a Shiva perspective may > help to understand the phrase. > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear list members, >> >> >> Verse 7 of the li?g???akam is: >> >> a??adaloparive??itali?ga? >> >> sarvasamudbhavak?ra?ali?gam >> >> a??adaridravin??itali?a? >> >> tatpra?am?mi sad??ivali?gam >> >> >> I;ve seen various interpretations of the phrase a??adaloparive??itali?ga? >> >> M. Aktor in his article "The Sivalinga between artifact and nature" >> translates the phrase as "the lingam which is enclosed upon an eight >> petaled lotus" and interprets that as a reference to a Shiva lingam with >> an eight petaled lotus design on its pedestal. I've seen other >> interpretations of this phrase, some as a reference to a lingam in an eight >> petaled cakra in the body, and others just as a lingam surrounded by eight >> petaled lotuses. >> >> >> But I've been asked if this phrase might be a reference to either: >> >> a) A yantra that has a lingam in the center and is surrounded by an eight >> petaled lotus. >> >> Are any of the list members aware of any references in the Sanskrit >> literature to a Yantra with an eight petaled lotus pattern and a lingam in >> the center? There is a websiite lingabhairavi.org that has such a >> yantra but I've been unable to find any other references to such a yantra >> so I'm wondering if this isn't just a modern innovation. >> >> or >> >> b) A ritual where the lingam is placed on a mandala made of either >> coloured grains or other coloured material in an eight petaled lotus >> pattern and worshiped. >> >> Is anyone aware of such a ritual? >> >> >> Also is anyone aware of other interpretations of this phrase. >> >> >> Thanks,, >> >> Harry Spier >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Harry Spier >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Thu Jan 4 15:30:27 2018 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 18 15:30:27 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The position of the Separate Edicts vis-a-vis REs 1-10 + 14 in Jaugada Message-ID: Dear List members, Hultzsch (1925) and Falk (2006) provide conflicting descriptions of the arrangement of the edicts in Jaugada (Orissa). Harry Falk informed me that it it was difficult to get a good view of the inscription through the grill and take a photo of the entire inscription.I am particularly interested in the exact position of the two Separate Edicts in relation to REs 1-5 (left) and REs 6-10 + 14 (right). (Note that the lower edict sticks out to the left) I hope that there is someone on the list who can help me out. I must add that I do not know what I am actually looking for. In Dhauli the SepEs seem to bracket the text of the Rock Edict Series. In Sannati they are found on the rear of the slab with REs 12 and 14, but in the case of a slab there is no above, below or around. Best, Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Harry Spier On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > For the third line, the version: > > a??adaridravin??itali?a? > > is new for me. > > a??adaridravin??anali?a? > > a??adaridravin??akali?a? > > are the known ones. > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Nagaraj Paturi > wrote: > >> *Ashtdal Aripan* >> >> This Alpana is used for Dev puja such as Satyanarayan puja, Anant >> Chaturdashi, Devotthan puja etc. >> The Alpana is made up of eight straight lines joined with eight curved >> lines and decorated by arches dots etc. Eight symbols (Shankh, Chakra, >> Gada, Padma, Kripan, Damaroo, Pash and Trishu are essential) >> >> at >> >> http://www.angelfire.com/home/mithila/alpana.htm >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0jaC_yHJn8 >> >> >> 5:58 onwards at >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7l27aYDlQ >> >> >> [image: Inline image 1] >> >> >> Sri Yantra has Shiva and Shakti triangles. >> >> Both S'aakteyas and S'aivas worship the same with their own emphasis. >> >> Ashtadala seen in the above image when viewed with a Shiva perspective >> may help to understand the phrase. >> >> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> >>> Verse 7 of the li?g???akam is: >>> >>> a??adaloparive??itali?ga? >>> >>> sarvasamudbhavak?ra?ali?gam >>> >>> a??adaridravin??itali?a? >>> >>> tatpra?am?mi sad??ivali?gam >>> >>> >>> I;ve seen various interpretations of the phrase >>> a??adaloparive??itali?ga? >>> >>> M. Aktor in his article "The Sivalinga between artifact and nature" >>> translates the phrase as "the lingam which is enclosed upon an eight >>> petaled lotus" and interprets that as a reference to a Shiva lingam with >>> an eight petaled lotus design on its pedestal. I've seen other >>> interpretations of this phrase, some as a reference to a lingam in an eight >>> petaled cakra in the body, and others just as a lingam surrounded by eight >>> petaled lotuses. >>> >>> >>> But I've been asked if this phrase might be a reference to either: >>> >>> a) A yantra that has a lingam in the center and is surrounded by an >>> eight petaled lotus. >>> >>> Are any of the list members aware of any references in the Sanskrit >>> literature to a Yantra with an eight petaled lotus pattern and a lingam in >>> the center? There is a websiite lingabhairavi.org that has such a >>> yantra but I've been unable to find any other references to such a yantra >>> so I'm wondering if this isn't just a modern innovation. >>> >>> or >>> >>> b) A ritual where the lingam is placed on a mandala made of either >>> coloured grains or other coloured material in an eight petaled lotus >>> pattern and worshiped. >>> >>> Is anyone aware of such a ritual? >>> >>> >>> Also is anyone aware of other interpretations of this phrase. >>> >>> >>> Thanks,, >>> >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Werba) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 18 20:03:54 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] prosit vobis annus novus MMXVIII Message-ID: <000501d38657$eefed070$ccfc7150$@univie.ac.at> All the best for the New Year, dear colleagues, or to say it in Sanskrit ? vardhataa.m vo nu dharme.na, yat pu.nya.m cakra ki.m cana / ? ;subha.m vo navavar.sa.m syaat, sarvaarthakaamasiddhaye // iti Please, find the full version (with proper diacritics and some ak.saras) in the attached pdf. But let me also use this ?Aadiparvan? to ask for the help of making available your Vidyaadhanas for identifying the following Upajaati-Paada I recently found quoted in two Dhaatupaa.thas of the 12th cent. (Hdh. I 1036 & Kt. I 852 [sigla as in my Verba IndoArica (VIA) I]): ? jihvaa;sataany ullalayaty abhiik.s.nam (or with the usual diacritics: jihv??at?ny ullalayaty abh?k??am) /. Any Hitopade;sa will gratefully be appreciated. It goes without saying that I have checked all lexicons, indices and databases available to me, starting with the PW and ending up with the DCS or Grimal?s excellent work on Bhavabhuuti -- all that, alas, of no avail. Thanking you for your Sm.rti and, in advance, also for any help you may be able to grant me Yours cordially Chlodwig H. Werba ?????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ???????????????? ????? ? ??? ???????? ??????????????????? ?????? || satyam eva vijayate ? haq?qat sab ke sab j?t let? hai :: verum omnia vincit ha?iyam ?rt?c? din?tiy ? haqiqat barande mi?avad :: ?? ?????? ?????? ???? Prof. Dr. Chlodwig H. Werba, Univ.-Doz. f?r Indoiranistik Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde, Bereich S?dasienkunde Universit?tscampus, Hof 2/2.1 Spitalgasse 2, A-1090 Wien Tel.: +43-1-4277-435-19 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr?ft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Werba via INDOLOGY wrote: > > All the best for the New Year, dear colleagues, or to say it in Sanskrit > > ? vardhataa.m vo nu dharme.na, yat pu.nya.m cakra ki.m cana / > ? ;subha.m vo navavar.sa.m syaat, sarvaarthakaamasiddhaye // iti > > Please, find the full version (with proper diacritics and some ak.saras) in the attached pdf. > But let me also use this ?Aadiparvan? to ask for the help of making available your Vidyaadhanas for identifying the following Upajaati-Paada I recently found quoted in two Dhaatupaa.thas of the 12th cent. (Hdh. I 1036 & Kt. I 852 [sigla as in my Verba IndoArica (VIA) I]): > > ? jihvaa;sataany ullalayaty abhiik.s.nam (or with the usual diacritics: jihv??at?ny ullalayaty abh?k??am) /. > > Any Hitopade;sa will gratefully be appreciated. It goes without saying that I have checked all lexicons, indices and databases available to me, starting with the PW and ending up with the DCS or Grimal?s excellent work on Bhavabhuuti -- all that, alas, of no avail. > Thanking you for your Sm.rti and, in advance, also for any help you may be able to grant me > Yours cordially > Chlodwig H. Werba > > ?????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ???????????????? ????? ? > ??? ???????? ??????????????????? ?????? || > satyam eva vijayate ? haq?qat sab ke sab j?t let? hai :: verum omnia vincit > ha?iyam ?rt?c? din?tiy ? haqiqat barande mi?avad :: ?? ?????? ?????? ???? > Prof. Dr. Chlodwig H. Werba, Univ.-Doz. f?r Indoiranistik > Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde, Bereich S?dasienkunde > Universit?tscampus, Hof 2/2.1 > Spitalgasse 2, A-1090 Wien > Tel.: +43-1-4277-435-19 > > > > > Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr?ft. > www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) From wujastyk at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 21:34:30 2018 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 18 14:34:30 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] indology.info website temporarily unavailable. Message-ID: Apologies: the indology.info is down at the moment. We're working on it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS Wednesday May 9, 3-5 pm *Dr Shalini Sinha (University of Reading)* *Pra?astap?dabh??ya* Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS Wednesday May 23, 3-5 pm *Dr Marco Ferrante (IKGA/University of Oxford)* Knowledge, consciousness and language: a dialogue between Bhart?hari and the Pratyabhij?? Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS Wednesday May 30, 3-5 pm *Prof. Madhav Deshpande (University of Michigan)* Prof. Deshpande?s *S?t?-R?va?a-Samv?da-Pa?c??ik?* B211, Brunei Gallery, SOAS For more details, subscribe to sanskritreadingroom.wordpress.com or our Facebook group: Sanskrit Reading Room. Contact: Karen_O'Brien-Kop at soas.ac.uk, Avni_Chag at soas.ac.uk, or Ruth_Westoby at soas.ac.uk With best wishes Karen O'Brien-Kop *Doctoral Researcher and Senior Teaching Fellow* *Religions and Philosophies, SOAS* *The Sanskrit Reading Room * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS Wednesday May 9, 3-5 pm *Dr Shalini Sinha (University of Reading)* *Pra?astap?dabh??ya* Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS Wednesday May 23, 3-5 pm *Dr Marco Ferrante (IKGA/University of Oxford)* Knowledge, consciousness and language: a dialogue between Bhart?hari and the Pratyabhij?? Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS Wednesday May 30, 3-5 pm *Prof. Madhav Deshpande (University of Michigan)* Prof. Deshpande?s *S?t?-R?va?a-Samv?da-Pa?c??ik?* B211, Brunei Gallery, SOAS For more details, subscribe to sanskritreadingroom.wordpress.com or our Facebook group: Sanskrit Reading Room. Contact: Karen_O'Brien-Kop at soas.ac.uk, Avni_Chag at soas.ac.uk, or Ruth_Westoby at soas.ac.uk With best wishes Karen O'Brien-Kop *Doctoral Researcher and Senior Teaching Fellow* *Religions and Philosophies, SOAS* *The Sanskrit Reading Room * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Werba, Univ.-Doz. f?r Indoiranistik Institut f?r S?dasien-, Tibet- und Buddhismuskunde, Bereich S?dasienkunde Universit?tscampus, Hof 2/2.1 Spitalgasse 2, A-1090 Wien Tel.: +43-1-4277-435-19 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr?ft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chlodwig.h.werba at univie.ac.at Mon Jan 8 09:02:25 2018 From: chlodwig.h.werba at univie.ac.at (Chlodwig H. Werba) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 18 10:02:25 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] dhanyavaadaaya Message-ID: <000e01d3885f$675e4ba0$361ae2e0$@univie.ac.at> priyaav adhii;sacaapade;savidyaamahodadhii. tatrabhavator navavar.siiye.na vidyaadaanasamarpa.nena bh.r;sam anug.rhiito ?smi. tathaiva syaat. hemacandrak.siirasvaamibhyaam udaah.rta upajaatipaado bhavadbhyaam upadi.s.tayaa bhaaravyupajaatyaa (Ka. 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Of late,I visited Vidisha- and found myself standing in front of the Heliodorus pillar.It' s curious to note how Emperor Antialkidas if Bactrian Greek lineage,became Amtalikitasa in Sanskrit(may be itis a blend of Brahmi as well,).  Alakendu Das, Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> Sent: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 23:28:04 GMT+0530 To: alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Heliodorus Pillar Wishing too, etc.  Re the inscription, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagabhadra Artur K. 2018-01-07 15:45 GMT+01:00 alakendu das via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>: To All,Wishing everybody a Happy New Year,may anybody translate the following excerpt from what Heliodorus wrote in his GarudaDvawaja at Vidisha- Devadevasa Vasudevasa GarudaDvawaja Ayam,Karito Heliotdorena bhaga,vatena diyasa putrena Takshashilakena,Yonadatena agatena maharajasa,Amtalikitasa upamta samkasam -rano Alakendu Das Sent from RediffmailNG on Android _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Dhvany?loka deals with the entire gamut of signification in poetic language, arguing that great literature always communicates through suggestion (dhvani). Another salient feature of the work is that it offers a broad-based aesthetic theory relevant in other art forms like music, drama and painting. The workshop will focus on select passages of the text and explain its sense in English putting ?nandavardhana?s work in proper perspective. The aim of the workshop is to familiarize the participants with core themes in the text of the Dhvany?loka so that the necessary theoretical background could be created to explore its aesthetic dimensions, which could broaden their horizons of thought and enhance their artistic sensibilities as creative artists and connoisseurs of art. Deadline for Application: Tuesday 30 January, 2018 Program and Faculty Professor C. Rajendran, University of Calicut, Calicut will be the principal instructor. We are also expecting a few other experts of Indian aesthetics to join us. The morning and afternoon sessions will include the readings of the text in Sanskrit followed by special lectures in the evening by various experts in the field of Indian aesthetics. The seminar will be held in English and readings will be circulated in advance. The workshop will be preceded by a special lecture by Prof Rajendran on the topic Resonances Beyond: The Aesthetics of Dhvani on 3rd March 2018 to set the workshop in motion. This special lecture will also serve as an introduction to the workshop and all participants are mandatorily expected to attend. There will also be an evening lecture by Prof. Parul Dave Mukerji (Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi) who will talk about the Indian aesthetics from the lens of comparative aesthetics. A special performance will also be organized during the workshop. Confirmed Scholar Participants Prof. Parul Dave Mukerji, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Dr. Mrinal Kaul, Manipal Centre for Philosophy and Humanities, Manipal, Karnataka Selection Criteria Though a rudimentary knowledge of the Sanskrit language on part of the participants would definitely help, the workshop does not presuppose any theoretical background of textual scholarship. We seek interested research students and scholars from across India and abroad. The selection will be made based on the strength of the application. We cannot accept more than 25 participants and the priority will be given to the applications from research scholars in disciplines or with experience in Sanskrit, Philosophy, Aesthetics, Yoga, Performing Arts, Religion and Literature. There will be a participation fee for all participants. Applicants will be informed about the decision of selection after the deadline of application. Location and Accommodations The event will be held at Studio Abhyas, 112 Anand Lok (basement), New Delhi. Centrally located in South Delhi, the studio is close to all the major cultural venues of the capital and easily accessible; it is also close to the Metro line. A registration fee will be charged that includes a working lunch, tea/coffee with snacks for the five days of the workshop. Travel cost will not be reimbursed. Unfortunately, we are not in a position to offer accomodation. Registration Fees Registration is mandatory for attending the workshop. No participation without due registration will be allowed. Regular Participants: Rs. 4000 Student Participants: Rs. 3000 Application Information Applications should include the following, preferably sent as PDFs: 1. Description of research interests and their relevance to the topic of the workshop (max. 300 words) 2. Brief Curriculum Vitae / resume highlighting relevant skills, experience and training. Applications should be sent to: Navtej Johar (Convenor-Workshop on the Dhvani Theory) Studio Abhyas F 27 Green Park, New Delhi 110016 India email: Tel +91-981-888-2918 For more information please contact Studio Abhyas www.abhyastrust.org ------ Mrinal Kaul, Ph.D. Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS) Assistant Professor - Manipal Centre for Philosophy and Humanities (MCPH) Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex Alevoor Road, Manipal 576 104 Karnataka, INDIA Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567 https://iuo.academia.edu/MrinalKaul email: mrinal.kaul at manipal.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at austin.utexas.edu Mon Jan 8 22:26:21 2018 From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 18 22:26:21 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Citation Message-ID: <0CB2D497-EE60-4785-8F07-88F97EFA1C5C@austin.utexas.edu> Would anyone be able to identify the following ?loka from the Tantrav?rttika of Kum?rila? It could be from the ?lokav?rttika as well, but the edition has a good index and this verse is not in it. The text simply identifies it as from the ?bha??av?rttika?. ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? ? ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?? Thanks. Patrick From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Jan 8 22:51:44 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 18 14:51:44 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Citation In-Reply-To: <0CB2D497-EE60-4785-8F07-88F97EFA1C5C@austin.utexas.edu> Message-ID: Hello Patrick, The web version of ??likan?tha's Prakara?apa?cik? gives this verse as a quotation from Br?ha???k?. https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%9E%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE Madhav On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Would anyone be able to identify the following ?loka from the > Tantrav?rttika of Kum?rila? It could be from the > ?lokav?rttika as well, but the edition has a good index and this verse is > not in it. The text simply identifies it as from the ?bha??av?rttika?. > > ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? ? > ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?? > > > Thanks. > > Patrick > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uskokov at uchicago.edu Mon Jan 8 22:57:29 2018 From: uskokov at uchicago.edu (Aleksandar Uskokov) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 18 16:57:29 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Citation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Patrick, Note also the typo in pAda c, it should be itikartavyatAbhAgaM. All best Aleksandar On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Hello Patrick, > > The web version of ??likan?tha's Prakara?apa?cik? gives this verse as > a quotation from Br?ha???k?. > > https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4% > B0%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%9E%E0%A5%8D%E0% > A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE > > Madhav > > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Would anyone be able to identify the following ?loka from the >> Tantrav?rttika of Kum?rila? It could be from the >> ?lokav?rttika as well, but the edition has a good index and this verse is >> not in it. The text simply identifies it as from the ?bha??av?rttika?. >> >> ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? ? >> ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?? >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Patrick >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at austin.utexas.edu Mon Jan 8 22:58:36 2018 From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 18 22:58:36 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Citation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <817C5D92-19A7-469B-A003-E0515683D107@austin.utexas.edu> Yes, of course. My fault. On Jan 8, 2018, at 4:57 PM, Aleksandar Uskokov > wrote: Dear Patrick, Note also the typo in pAda c, it should be itikartavyatAbhAgaM. All best Aleksandar On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > wrote: Hello Patrick, The web version of ??likan?tha's Prakara?apa?cik? gives this verse as a quotation from Br?ha???k?. https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%9E%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE Madhav On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY > wrote: Would anyone be able to identify the following ?loka from the Tantrav?rttika of Kum?rila? It could be from the ?lokav?rttika as well, but the edition has a good index and this verse is not in it. The text simply identifies it as from the ?bha??av?rttika?. ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? ? ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?? Thanks. Patrick _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My fault. > > > >> On Jan 8, 2018, at 4:57 PM, Aleksandar Uskokov wrote: >> >> Dear Patrick, >> >> Note also the typo in pAda c, it should be itikartavyatAbhAgaM. >> >> All best >> Aleksandar >> >>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY wrote: >>> Hello Patrick, >>> >>> The web version of ??likan?tha's Prakara?apa?cik? gives this verse as a quotation from Br?ha???k?. >>> >>> https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%9E%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE >>> >>> Madhav >>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY wrote: >>>> Would anyone be able to identify the following ?loka from the Tantrav?rttika of Kum?rila? It could be from the >>>> ?lokav?rttika as well, but the edition has a good index and this verse is not in it. The text simply identifies it as from the ?bha??av?rttika?. >>>> >>>> ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? ? >>>> ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dominic Goodall, > On 27-Dec-2017, at 9:58 PM, Ute Huesken via INDOLOGY wrote: > > I might have missed it and they might have been mentioned already, but Chris Fuller's two books Servants of the Goddess and The Renewal of Priesthood are important reads on the Minakshi temple in Madurai. > > Best > > UH > > Am 27.12.17 um 15:27 schrieb rrocher via INDOLOGY: >> I am sure that someone must already have mentioned Rachel Fell McDermott's twin books Mother of my Heart, Daughter of My Dreams. K?l? and Um? in the Devotional Poetry of Bengal and Singing to the Goddess. Poems to K?l? and Um? from Bengal, both Oxford UP, 2001. >> Best wishes, >> Rosane Rocher >> >> On 12/27/17 12:48 AM, Nataliya Yanchevskaya via INDOLOGY wrote: >>> Many thanks for your responses about Minakshi and the Minakshi temple! >>> I hope my student will be able to use all the recommended literature to write a good paper. >>> >>> If you can recommend anything on the Gauri puja it will also be most appreciated. (I found a few things but not sure they are suitable for the undergraduates...) >>> >>> Best wishes for the upcoming New Year, >>> Nataliya >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>> Here is one more. >>> >>> Extraordinary Child: Poems from a South Indian Devotional Genre, Paula Richman, University of Hawaii Press, 1997. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Palaniappan >>> >>>> On Dec 24, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan > wrote: >>>> >>>> The follwing might be of use too. >>>> >>>> The Sr? M?n?k?i Sundare?varar Temple: Worship and Endowments in South India, 1833 to 1925. Ph.D. Thesis, The University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1976. >>>> >>>> Tamil temple myths: Sacrifice and divine marriage in the South Indian Saiva tradition: David Dean Shulman, Princeton University Press 1980. >>>> >>>> Hindu Pluralism: Religion and the Public Sphere in Early Modern South India by Elaine M. Fisher available at https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520293014 >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Palaniappan >>>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2017, at 11:47 AM, rajam via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi. I?m delighted to hear about this effort! I grew up in a house just four doors away from Madurai Meenakshi Temple, and spent a lot of time there. >>>>> >>>>> Well ? for starters ? you can listen to a specific Carnatic song rendered by three different musicians. The speciality of this song is that the song is full of allusions, and only the opening line is about the composer?s request. The song is in slow tempo, words are clearly enunciated. Sanskritists won?t have difficulty understanding the song. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmbBYxcnB4&feature=youtu.be >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl74OrnmhyY >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90zDikxHb5E >>>>> >>>>> There are plenty of references in Tamil. I?d be happy to share that information with you after the holidays. >>>>> >>>>> I?d rather not inundate this list with my references. >>>>> >>>>> Please contact me off list if you?re still interested. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> rajam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 24, 2017, at 1:46 AM, Nataliya Yanchevskaya via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>>> >>>>>> My students are writing term papers for the South Asian mythology course. One of them is writing on MInAkSI and the Minakshi temple in Madurai; another one is writing on the Gauri puja as performed in Maharashtra. >>>>>> Could you please kindly recommend scholarly sources (books or articles) on these two subjects suitable for the undergraduate students? >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks and happy holidays, >>>>>> Nataliya Yanchevskaya >>>>>> Lecturer in Sanskrit, Princeton University >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > -- > _____ > > Prof. Dr. Ute H?sken > Head of the Department > Cultural and Religious History of South Asia (Classical Indology) > South Asia Institute > Heidelberg University > Im Neuenheimer Feld 330 > 69120 Heidelberg > Germany > http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/mitarbeiter/huesken/huesken.php _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) Dominic Goodall ?cole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient, 19, rue Dumas, Pondicherry 605001 Tel. +91 413 2334539 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dominic Goodall > On 09-Jan-2018, at 9:31 AM, Dominic Goodall wrote: > > Just a footnote, but for what it?s worth, in the introduction to our edition of the Pr?ya?cittasamuccaya, there is a digression about the gradual emergence of r?les for women within the ?aivasiddh?nta, and inside that digression there are just 4 pages on Gaur?p?j?, giving some hitherto unpublished primary evidence, namely pp. 32?35. > ?aiva Rites of Expiation. A First Edition and Translation of Trilocana?iva?s Twelfth-century Pr?ya?cittasamuccaya (with a transcription of H?daya?iva?s Pr?ya?cittasamuccaya), critically edited & translated by R. Sathyanarayanan with an introduction by Dominic Goodall. Collection Indologie 127. Pondicherry: IFP/EFEO, 2015. > > Dominic Goodall, > > >> On 27-Dec-2017, at 9:58 PM, Ute Huesken via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> I might have missed it and they might have been mentioned already, but Chris Fuller's two books Servants of the Goddess and The Renewal of Priesthood are important reads on the Minakshi temple in Madurai. >> >> Best >> >> UH >> >> Am 27.12.17 um 15:27 schrieb rrocher via INDOLOGY: >>> I am sure that someone must already have mentioned Rachel Fell McDermott's twin books Mother of my Heart, Daughter of My Dreams. K?l? and Um? in the Devotional Poetry of Bengal and Singing to the Goddess. Poems to K?l? and Um? from Bengal, both Oxford UP, 2001. >>> Best wishes, >>> Rosane Rocher >>> >>> On 12/27/17 12:48 AM, Nataliya Yanchevskaya via INDOLOGY wrote: >>>> Many thanks for your responses about Minakshi and the Minakshi temple! >>>> I hope my student will be able to use all the recommended literature to write a good paper. >>>> >>>> If you can recommend anything on the Gauri puja it will also be most appreciated. (I found a few things but not sure they are suitable for the undergraduates...) >>>> >>>> Best wishes for the upcoming New Year, >>>> Nataliya >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>>> Here is one more. >>>> >>>> Extraordinary Child: Poems from a South Indian Devotional Genre, Paula Richman, University of Hawaii Press, 1997. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Palaniappan >>>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The follwing might be of use too. >>>>> >>>>> The Sr? M?n?k?i Sundare?varar Temple: Worship and Endowments in South India, 1833 to 1925. Ph.D. Thesis, The University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1976. >>>>> >>>>> Tamil temple myths: Sacrifice and divine marriage in the South Indian Saiva tradition: David Dean Shulman, Princeton University Press 1980. >>>>> >>>>> Hindu Pluralism: Religion and the Public Sphere in Early Modern South India by Elaine M. Fisher available at https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520293014 >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Palaniappan >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 24, 2017, at 11:47 AM, rajam via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi. I?m delighted to hear about this effort! I grew up in a house just four doors away from Madurai Meenakshi Temple, and spent a lot of time there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well ? for starters ? you can listen to a specific Carnatic song rendered by three different musicians. The speciality of this song is that the song is full of allusions, and only the opening line is about the composer?s request. The song is in slow tempo, words are clearly enunciated. Sanskritists won?t have difficulty understanding the song. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmbBYxcnB4&feature=youtu.be >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl74OrnmhyY >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90zDikxHb5E >>>>>> >>>>>> There are plenty of references in Tamil. I?d be happy to share that information with you after the holidays. >>>>>> >>>>>> I?d rather not inundate this list with my references. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please contact me off list if you?re still interested. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> rajam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2017, at 1:46 AM, Nataliya Yanchevskaya via INDOLOGY > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My students are writing term papers for the South Asian mythology course. One of them is writing on MInAkSI and the Minakshi temple in Madurai; another one is writing on the Gauri puja as performed in Maharashtra. >>>>>>> Could you please kindly recommend scholarly sources (books or articles) on these two subjects suitable for the undergraduate students? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many thanks and happy holidays, >>>>>>> Nataliya Yanchevskaya >>>>>>> Lecturer in Sanskrit, Princeton University >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> -- >> _____ >> >> Prof. Dr. Ute H?sken >> Head of the Department >> Cultural and Religious History of South Asia (Classical Indology) >> South Asia Institute >> Heidelberg University >> Im Neuenheimer Feld 330 >> 69120 Heidelberg >> Germany >> http://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/mitarbeiter/huesken/huesken.php _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > Dominic Goodall > ?cole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient, > 19, rue Dumas, > Pondicherry 605001 > Tel. +91 413 2334539 > > Dominic Goodall ?cole fran?aise d'Extr?me-Orient, 19, rue Dumas, Pondicherry 605001 Tel. +91 413 2334539 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All best Aleksandar On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > wrote: Hello Patrick, The web version of ??likan?tha's Prakara?apa?cik? gives this verse as a quotation from Br?ha???k?. https://sa.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A3%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%9E%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE Madhav On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY > wrote: Would anyone be able to identify the following ?loka from the Tantrav?rttika of Kum?rila? It could be from the ?lokav?rttika as well, but the edition has a good index and this verse is not in it. The text simply identifies it as from the ?bha??av?rttika?. ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? ? ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?? Thanks. 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In case you have fascinating material on foot images from an Asian or Islamic context and would like a chapter to be considered for inclusion in our extended conference publication, then please get in touch with me directly. With kind regards, Julia Hegewald. In the Footsteps of the Masters: Footprints, Feet and Shoes as Objects of Veneration in the Arts of Asia International conference Department of Asian and Islamic Art History (AIK), The University of Bonn Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald 19th to 21st April 2018 Provisional Timetable Thursday, 19th April 2018 >From 16:00: tea 17:00-18:30: keynote address Prof. Dr. Susan L. Huntington, Columbus Footprints in the Early Buddhist Art of India: An Examination of Art Historical Methodology Friday, 20th April 2018 10:00-11:00 Buddhist footprints from Nepal and Tibet: Prof. Dr. Gudrun B?hnemann, Wisconsin-Madison The Feet of Ma?ju?r? Dr. Elisabeth Haderer, Hamburg and Bonn Enlightened Presence?On the Representation of Footprints in Tibetan Buddhist Painted Scrolls 11:00-11:30 Coffee break 11:30-12:30 Jaina foot imprints in India: Prof. Dr. Nalini Balbir, Paris Religious Issues Regarding the P?duk?s of Jain Teachers Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald, Bonn Foot Images (P?duk?s) as Multivariate Symbols in Jaina Religious Practices in India 12:30-14:30 Lunch break 14:30-16:00 Hindu footprints and Lingayat sandals from India: Dr. Jutta Jain-Neubauer, New Delhi and Berlin Feet and Footmarks in Indian Culture and their Visual Representation Nick Barnard, London Footprints of Hindu Deities in Indian Jewellery Prof. Dr. Tiziana Lorenzetti, Rome The Cult of Footwear in the Li?g?yat Tradition: Peculiarities and Symbologies 16:00-16:30 Tea break 16:30-17:30 Buddhist foot imprints in Southeast and East Asia: Dr. Sarah Shaw, Oxford The Buddha?s Footprint and the Southeast Asian Imaginaire Dr. Claudia Wenzel, Heidelberg The Buddha?s Footprints in China Saturday, 21st April 2018 10:00-11:00 Feet and sandals in the Islamic world (5 papers): Prof. Dr. Lorenz Korn, Bamberg Footprints as Relics and as Symbols of Veneration in Islamic Art Dr. Deniz Erduman-Calis, Munich Kadem-i Saadet?Foot Imprints of the Prophet Muhammad in the Collection of the Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul 11:00-11:30 Coffee break 11:30-13:00 Iman R. Abdulfattah, New York and Bonn Footprints of the Prophet as Modes of Dissemination and Modes of Control Waheeda Bano Baloch, Jamshoro and Bonn The Holy Footprints Across Sindh (Pakistan) Karin Adrian von Roques, Bonn Footprints of the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) in Contemporary Art Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald Professor of Oriental Art History Head of Department University of Bonn Institute of Oriental and Asian Studies (IOA) Department of Asian and Islamic Art History Adenauerallee 10 53113 Bonn Germany Email: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de www.aik.uni-bonn.de Tel. 0049-228-73 7213 Fax. 0049-228-73 4042 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2018_01_09_ProvisionalTimetable_short_Public.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 110180 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On p. 418 of Abhyankar's edition (line 16.298) it mentions "showing a cloth with the imprint of the son's foot" (putrapad??kitapa?apradar?anavat) in the context of announcing the birth of a son. Does this refer to a known custom in India? Johannes Bronkhorst On 9 Jan 2018, at 21:22, Julia Hegewald via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear friends and colleagues, this is to inform you about a conference on representations of feet, foot imprints and shoes in Asian and Islamic art to be held at the University of Bonn in April 2018. Further details and the abstracts can be found on our webpage which will be updated regularly as we approach the dates of the conference: https://www.ioa.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/aik/Konferenzen/in-the-footsteps-of-the-masters A provisional timetable can be found below and attached. All are welcome to attend. In case you have fascinating material on foot images from an Asian or Islamic context and would like a chapter to be considered for inclusion in our extended conference publication, then please get in touch with me directly. With kind regards, Julia Hegewald. In the Footsteps of the Masters: Footprints, Feet and Shoes as Objects of Veneration in the Arts of Asia International conference Department of Asian and Islamic Art History (AIK), The University of Bonn Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald 19th to 21st April 2018 Provisional Timetable Thursday, 19th April 2018 >From 16:00: tea 17:00-18:30: keynote address Prof. Dr. Susan L. Huntington, Columbus Footprints in the Early Buddhist Art of India: An Examination of Art Historical Methodology Friday, 20th April 2018 10:00-11:00 Buddhist footprints from Nepal and Tibet: Prof. Dr. Gudrun B?hnemann, Wisconsin-Madison The Feet of Ma?ju?r? Dr. Elisabeth Haderer, Hamburg and Bonn Enlightened Presence?On the Representation of Footprints in Tibetan Buddhist Painted Scrolls 11:00-11:30 Coffee break 11:30-12:30 Jaina foot imprints in India: Prof. Dr. Nalini Balbir, Paris Religious Issues Regarding the P?duk?s of Jain Teachers Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald, Bonn Foot Images (P?duk?s) as Multivariate Symbols in Jaina Religious Practices in India 12:30-14:30 Lunch break 14:30-16:00 Hindu footprints and Lingayat sandals from India: Dr. Jutta Jain-Neubauer, New Delhi and Berlin Feet and Footmarks in Indian Culture and their Visual Representation Nick Barnard, London Footprints of Hindu Deities in Indian Jewellery Prof. Dr. Tiziana Lorenzetti, Rome The Cult of Footwear in the Li?g?yat Tradition: Peculiarities and Symbologies 16:00-16:30 Tea break 16:30-17:30 Buddhist foot imprints in Southeast and East Asia: Dr. Sarah Shaw, Oxford The Buddha?s Footprint and the Southeast Asian Imaginaire Dr. Claudia Wenzel, Heidelberg The Buddha?s Footprints in China Saturday, 21st April 2018 10:00-11:00 Feet and sandals in the Islamic world (5 papers): Prof. Dr. Lorenz Korn, Bamberg Footprints as Relics and as Symbols of Veneration in Islamic Art Dr. Deniz Erduman-Calis, Munich Kadem-i Saadet?Foot Imprints of the Prophet Muhammad in the Collection of the Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul 11:00-11:30 Coffee break 11:30-13:00 Iman R. Abdulfattah, New York and Bonn Footprints of the Prophet as Modes of Dissemination and Modes of Control Waheeda Bano Baloch, Jamshoro and Bonn The Holy Footprints Across Sindh (Pakistan) Karin Adrian von Roques, Bonn Footprints of the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) in Contemporary Art <2018_01_09_Provisional Timetable_short_Public.pdf> Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald Professor of Oriental Art History Head of Department University of Bonn Institute of Oriental and Asian Studies (IOA) Department of Asian and Islamic Art History Adenauerallee 10 53113 Bonn Germany Email: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de www.aik.uni-bonn.de Tel. 0049-228-73 7213 Fax. 0049-228-73 4042 _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbroo at abo.fi Wed Jan 10 14:18:06 2018 From: mbroo at abo.fi (mbroo at abo.fi) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 18 16:18:06 +0200 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Vasisthasamhita Message-ID: <20180110161806.hfcdjjjntww0kogg@webmail1.abo.fi> Dear Colleagues, Does anyone have a soft copy of the Pancaratra text Vasisthasamhita? I believe that I have seen a mention of it having been published in three volumes from somewhere (Varendra Research Institute?), but somehow I cannot find the reference now. I would be most thankful for any help. Sincerely yours, M?ns -- Dr. M?ns Broo Senior Lecturer of Comparative Religion Editor of Temenos, Nordic Journal of Comparative Religion ?bo Akademi University Fabriksgatan 2 FI-20500 ?bo, Finland phone: +358-2-2154398 fax: +358-2-2154902 mobile: +358-50-5695754 From emstern1948 at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 20:47:36 2018 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 18 15:47:36 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Conference on footprints, feet and shoes in Asian Art, Bonn, April 2018 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: While I cannot directly answer your question, Johannes, I can suggest you consider these other texts to understand the example: tath? hyavidit?ryade?ajanabh???rtho dravi?o nagaragamanodyato r?jam?rg?bhyar?a? devadattamandiramadhy?s?na? pratipannajanak?nandanibandhanaputrajanm? v?rtt?hare?a saha nagarasthadevadatt?bhy??am?gata? pa?av?sop?yan?rpa?apura?sara? di??y? vardhase devadatta putraste j?ta iti v?rtt?haravy?h?ra?rava?asamanantaramupaj?tarom??caka?cuka? vikasitanayanotpalamatismeramukhamahotpalamavalokya devadattamutpannapramodamanumim?te pramodasya ca pr?gabh?tasya tadvy?h?ra?rava?asamanantara? prabhavatastaddhetut?m~| na c?yamapratip?dayan har?ahetumartha? har??ya kalpata ityanena har?aheturartha ukta iti pratipadyate~| har?ahetvantarasya c?prat?te? putrajanmana?ca taddhetoravagam?ttadeva v?rtt?hare??bhyadh?y?ti ni?cinoti~| bh?mat? 1.1.4:131.12-7. yo hi parid???acaitraprahar?ahetuputrajanm? putrapad?liptaku?kum??kitapa?apradar?akena v?rt?h?re?a saha caitrasak??a? gata? tasya di??y? vardhase caitra putraste j?ta iti v?rt?h?ravy?hara?rava?asamanantara? samunm?latpulakasakalakalevaramutphullaga??ayugalamullasitanayanayugala? caitramavalokayatastatpramodali?gena sa eva n?namanena madavalokita? sutasambhava? pramodaheturetasm?dv?ky?dadhigata iti pari?e??vadh?ra?opapatte?~| tattvaprad?pik? (citsukh?) 88.5-9, NSP 1915 edition. tath? hi dramila? pratipannadevadatt?nandanibandhanaputrajanm? devadattag?h?deva vartt?hare?a saha devadatt?bhy??am?gata? pa?av?sop?yan?rpa?apura?sara? di??y? vardhase devadatta putraste j?ta iti vartt?haravy?h?rasamanantaramunm?latpulakakapolamutphullalocanayugalamatismeramukhamahotpalamavalokya devadattamutpannapramodamanumim?te~| tatpramodahetu?ca putrajanmavij??nam anyasya tad?n?manupalabdhe?~| vacanocc?ra??nantara? ca tadbh?v?dvacanasya tatra hetubh?vamavagacchati~| na c?samarthasy?s?viti s?marthyamavaiti~| ny?yaka?ik? (in forthcoming edition of vidhiviveka?, ny?yaka?ik? and super commentaries = 280.9-16 Pandit edition) ???iputraparame?vara? comments on a variant reading of ny?yaka?ik?: va?urvyutpitsurm??avaka?~| v?sop?yan?[rpa?apura?saramiti]~| alaktakasa?siktakum?rap?datal??kita? v?so vartt?harasyop?yana? dramile?viti prasiddham~| mahotpala? padmam~| pramado [har?a?]~| ju?adhva?kara?? (in forthcoming edition of vidhiviveka?, ny?yaka?ik? and super commentaries). The bh?mat? and ny?yaka?ik? texts, and also tattvaprad?pik?, elaborate ma??ana?s argument: tath? har?avi??d??v?saprayojanebhya? tattv?khy?nebhyo har??dinimitte?u bhavati vyutpatti?~| yathaiva hi prav?ttivi?e?adar?an?dvi?i??aprav?ttipratyayastannimittapratyayo v?num?yate hetvantar?bh?v?cchabd?nantary?cchabdasya tatra s?marthya? kalpyate tath? har??dyupalabdhe? har??dinimittapratyay?num?nam~| ?abd?nantary?cca ?abdasya tatra s?marthyakalpan?~| pram???ntare?a ca putrajanmano har?animittasya tasy?vagatatv?danyasy?bh?v?t putraste j?ta it?da? v?kyam?ptena tatra putrajanmani prayuktamiti pratipadyate~| putrajanmaiva c?sm?dv?ky?danena prat?tamityavadh?rayati~| tadeva? prayogapratyay?bhy?masminnarthe v?kyasya s?marthya? pratipadyate~| brahmasiddhi? 25.12-20 Elliot Stern > On 09 Jan 2018, at 19:21, Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > This announcement reminds me of an expression in the Sarvadar?anasa?graha that I have difficulty understanding. On p. 418 of Abhyankar's edition (line 16.298) it mentions "showing a cloth with the imprint of the son's foot" (putrapad??kitapa?apradar?anavat) in the context of announcing the birth of a son. Does this refer to a known custom in India? > > > > Johannes Bronkhorst > > >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 21:22, Julia Hegewald via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> Dear friends and colleagues, >> >> this is to inform you about a conference on representations of feet, foot imprints and shoes in Asian and Islamic art to be held at the University of Bonn in April 2018. Further details and the abstracts can be found on our webpage which will be updated regularly as we approach the dates of the conference: >> >> https://www.ioa.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/aik/Konferenzen/in-the-footsteps-of-the-masters >> >> A provisional timetable can be found below and attached. All are welcome to attend. >> >> In case you have fascinating material on foot images from an Asian or Islamic context and would like a chapter to be considered for inclusion in our extended conference publication, then please get in touch with me directly. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Julia Hegewald. >> >> >> >> In the Footsteps of the Masters: >> >> Footprints, Feet and Shoes as Objects of Veneration in the Arts of Asia >> >> >> >> >> International conference >> >> Department of Asian and Islamic Art History (AIK), The University of Bonn >> >> Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald >> >> 19th to 21st April 2018 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Provisional Timetable >> >> >> >> >> >> Thursday, 19th April 2018 >> >> From 16:00: tea >> >> 17:00-18:30: keynote address Prof. Dr. Susan L. Huntington, Columbus >> >> >> Footprints in the Early Buddhist Art of India: >> >> An Examination of Art Historical Methodology >> >> >> >> Friday, 20th April 2018 >> >> 10:00-11:00 Buddhist footprints from Nepal and Tibet: >> >> Prof. Dr. Gudrun B?hnemann, Wisconsin-Madison >> >> The Feet of Ma?ju?r? >> >> >> Dr. Elisabeth Haderer, Hamburg and Bonn >> >> Enlightened Presence?On the Representation of >> >> Footprints in Tibetan Buddhist Painted Scrolls >> >> >> >> 11:00-11:30 Coffee break >> >> >> 11:30-12:30 Jaina foot imprints in India: >> >> Prof. Dr. Nalini Balbir, Paris >> >> Religious Issues Regarding the P?duk?s of Jain Teachers >> >> >> Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald, Bonn >> >> Foot Images (P?duk?s) as Multivariate Symbols in Jaina >> >> Religious Practices in India >> >> >> 12:30-14:30 Lunch break >> >> >> 14:30-16:00 Hindu footprints and Lingayat sandals from India: >> >> Dr. Jutta Jain-Neubauer, New Delhi and Berlin >> >> Feet and Footmarks in Indian Culture and their Visual Representation >> >> >> >> Nick Barnard, London >> >> Footprints of Hindu Deities in Indian Jewellery >> >> >> >> Prof. Dr. Tiziana Lorenzetti, Rome >> >> The Cult of Footwear in the Li?g?yat Tradition: >> >> Peculiarities and Symbologies >> >> >> 16:00-16:30 Tea break >> >> >> 16:30-17:30 Buddhist foot imprints in Southeast and East Asia: >> >> Dr. Sarah Shaw, Oxford >> >> The Buddha?s Footprint and the Southeast Asian Imaginaire >> >> >> Dr. Claudia Wenzel, Heidelberg >> >> The Buddha?s Footprints in China >> >> >> >> Saturday, 21st April 2018 >> >> 10:00-11:00 Feet and sandals in the Islamic world (5 papers): >> >> Prof. Dr. Lorenz Korn, Bamberg >> >> Footprints as Relics and as Symbols of Veneration in Islamic Art >> >> >> >> Dr. Deniz Erduman-Calis, Munich >> >> Kadem-i Saadet?Foot Imprints of the Prophet >> >> Muhammad in the Collection of the Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul >> >> >> 11:00-11:30 Coffee break >> >> >> >> 11:30-13:00 Iman R. Abdulfattah, New York and Bonn >> Footprints of the Prophet as Modes of Dissemination and Modes of Control >> >> >> Waheeda Bano Baloch, Jamshoro and Bonn >> >> The Holy Footprints Across Sindh (Pakistan) >> >> >> >> Karin Adrian von Roques, Bonn >> >> Footprints of the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) in Contemporary Art >> >> >> <2018_01_09_Provisional Timetable_short_Public.pdf> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald >> Professor of Oriental Art History >> Head of Department >> University of Bonn >> Institute of Oriental and Asian Studies (IOA) >> Department of Asian and Islamic Art History >> Adenauerallee 10 >> 53113 Bonn >> Germany >> >> Email: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de >> www.aik.uni-bonn.de >> Tel. 0049-228-73 7213 >> Fax. 0049-228-73 4042 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johannes.bronkhorst at unil.ch Wed Jan 10 23:51:25 2018 From: johannes.bronkhorst at unil.ch (Johannes Bronkhorst) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 18 23:51:25 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Conference on footprints, feet and shoes in Asian Art, Bonn, April 2018 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks so much, Elliot. This is very useful, all the more so since the author of the Sarvadar?anasa?graha knew most or even all the texts you cite. Johannes On 11 Jan 2018, at 03:47, Elliot Stern > wrote: While I cannot directly answer your question, Johannes, I can suggest you consider these other texts to understand the example: tath? hyavidit?ryade?ajanabh???rtho dravi?o nagaragamanodyato r?jam?rg?bhyar?a? devadattamandiramadhy?s?na? pratipannajanak?nandanibandhanaputrajanm? v?rtt?hare?a saha nagarasthadevadatt?bhy??am?gata? pa?av?sop?yan?rpa?apura?sara? di??y? vardhase devadatta putraste j?ta iti v?rtt?haravy?h?ra?rava?asamanantaramupaj?tarom??caka?cuka? vikasitanayanotpalamatismeramukhamahotpalamavalokya devadattamutpannapramodamanumim?te pramodasya ca pr?gabh?tasya tadvy?h?ra?rava?asamanantara? prabhavatastaddhetut?m~| na c?yamapratip?dayan har?ahetumartha? har??ya kalpata ityanena har?aheturartha ukta iti pratipadyate~| har?ahetvantarasya c?prat?te? putrajanmana?ca taddhetoravagam?ttadeva v?rtt?hare??bhyadh?y?ti ni?cinoti~| bh?mat? 1.1.4:131.12-7. yo hi parid???acaitraprahar?ahetuputrajanm? putrapad?liptaku?kum??kitapa?apradar?akena v?rt?h?re?a saha caitrasak??a? gata? tasya di??y? vardhase caitra putraste j?ta iti v?rt?h?ravy?hara?rava?asamanantara? samunm?latpulakasakalakalevaramutphullaga??ayugalamullasitanayanayugala? caitramavalokayatastatpramodali?gena sa eva n?namanena madavalokita? sutasambhava? pramodaheturetasm?dv?ky?dadhigata iti pari?e??vadh?ra?opapatte?~| tattvaprad?pik? (citsukh?) 88.5-9, NSP 1915 edition. tath? hi dramila? pratipannadevadatt?nandanibandhanaputrajanm? devadattag?h?deva vartt?hare?a saha devadatt?bhy??am?gata? pa?av?sop?yan?rpa?apura?sara? di??y? vardhase devadatta putraste j?ta iti vartt?haravy?h?rasamanantaramunm?latpulakakapolamutphullalocanayugalamatismeramukhamahotpalamavalokya devadattamutpannapramodamanumim?te~| tatpramodahetu?ca putrajanmavij??nam anyasya tad?n?manupalabdhe?~| vacanocc?ra??nantara? ca tadbh?v?dvacanasya tatra hetubh?vamavagacchati~| na c?samarthasy?s?viti s?marthyamavaiti~| ny?yaka?ik? (in forthcoming edition of vidhiviveka?, ny?yaka?ik? and super commentaries = 280.9-16 Pandit edition) ???iputraparame?vara? comments on a variant reading of ny?yaka?ik?: va?urvyutpitsurm??avaka?~| v?sop?yan?[rpa?apura?saramiti]~| alaktakasa?siktakum?rap?datal??kita? v?so vartt?harasyop?yana? dramile?viti prasiddham~| mahotpala? padmam~| pramado [har?a?]~| ju?adhva?kara?? (in forthcoming edition of vidhiviveka?, ny?yaka?ik? and super commentaries). The bh?mat? and ny?yaka?ik? texts, and also tattvaprad?pik?, elaborate ma??ana?s argument: tath? har?avi??d??v?saprayojanebhya? tattv?khy?nebhyo har??dinimitte?u bhavati vyutpatti?~| yathaiva hi prav?ttivi?e?adar?an?dvi?i??aprav?ttipratyayastannimittapratyayo v?num?yate hetvantar?bh?v?cchabd?nantary?cchabdasya tatra s?marthya? kalpyate tath? har??dyupalabdhe? har??dinimittapratyay?num?nam~| ?abd?nantary?cca ?abdasya tatra s?marthyakalpan?~| pram???ntare?a ca putrajanmano har?animittasya tasy?vagatatv?danyasy?bh?v?t putraste j?ta it?da? v?kyam?ptena tatra putrajanmani prayuktamiti pratipadyate~| putrajanmaiva c?sm?dv?ky?danena prat?tamityavadh?rayati~| tadeva? prayogapratyay?bhy?masminnarthe v?kyasya s?marthya? pratipadyate~| brahmasiddhi? 25.12-20 Elliot Stern On 09 Jan 2018, at 19:21, Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear all, This announcement reminds me of an expression in the Sarvadar?anasa?graha that I have difficulty understanding. On p. 418 of Abhyankar's edition (line 16.298) it mentions "showing a cloth with the imprint of the son's foot" (putrapad??kitapa?apradar?anavat) in the context of announcing the birth of a son. Does this refer to a known custom in India? Johannes Bronkhorst On 9 Jan 2018, at 21:22, Julia Hegewald via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear friends and colleagues, this is to inform you about a conference on representations of feet, foot imprints and shoes in Asian and Islamic art to be held at the University of Bonn in April 2018. Further details and the abstracts can be found on our webpage which will be updated regularly as we approach the dates of the conference: https://www.ioa.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/aik/Konferenzen/in-the-footsteps-of-the-masters A provisional timetable can be found below and attached. All are welcome to attend. In case you have fascinating material on foot images from an Asian or Islamic context and would like a chapter to be considered for inclusion in our extended conference publication, then please get in touch with me directly. With kind regards, Julia Hegewald. In the Footsteps of the Masters: Footprints, Feet and Shoes as Objects of Veneration in the Arts of Asia International conference Department of Asian and Islamic Art History (AIK), The University of Bonn Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald 19th to 21st April 2018 Provisional Timetable Thursday, 19th April 2018 >From 16:00: tea 17:00-18:30: keynote address Prof. Dr. Susan L. Huntington, Columbus Footprints in the Early Buddhist Art of India: An Examination of Art Historical Methodology Friday, 20th April 2018 10:00-11:00 Buddhist footprints from Nepal and Tibet: Prof. Dr. Gudrun B?hnemann, Wisconsin-Madison The Feet of Ma?ju?r? Dr. Elisabeth Haderer, Hamburg and Bonn Enlightened Presence?On the Representation of Footprints in Tibetan Buddhist Painted Scrolls 11:00-11:30 Coffee break 11:30-12:30 Jaina foot imprints in India: Prof. Dr. Nalini Balbir, Paris Religious Issues Regarding the P?duk?s of Jain Teachers Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald, Bonn Foot Images (P?duk?s) as Multivariate Symbols in Jaina Religious Practices in India 12:30-14:30 Lunch break 14:30-16:00 Hindu footprints and Lingayat sandals from India: Dr. Jutta Jain-Neubauer, New Delhi and Berlin Feet and Footmarks in Indian Culture and their Visual Representation Nick Barnard, London Footprints of Hindu Deities in Indian Jewellery Prof. Dr. Tiziana Lorenzetti, Rome The Cult of Footwear in the Li?g?yat Tradition: Peculiarities and Symbologies 16:00-16:30 Tea break 16:30-17:30 Buddhist foot imprints in Southeast and East Asia: Dr. Sarah Shaw, Oxford The Buddha?s Footprint and the Southeast Asian Imaginaire Dr. Claudia Wenzel, Heidelberg The Buddha?s Footprints in China Saturday, 21st April 2018 10:00-11:00 Feet and sandals in the Islamic world (5 papers): Prof. Dr. Lorenz Korn, Bamberg Footprints as Relics and as Symbols of Veneration in Islamic Art Dr. Deniz Erduman-Calis, Munich Kadem-i Saadet?Foot Imprints of the Prophet Muhammad in the Collection of the Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul 11:00-11:30 Coffee break 11:30-13:00 Iman R. Abdulfattah, New York and Bonn Footprints of the Prophet as Modes of Dissemination and Modes of Control Waheeda Bano Baloch, Jamshoro and Bonn The Holy Footprints Across Sindh (Pakistan) Karin Adrian von Roques, Bonn Footprints of the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) in Contemporary Art <2018_01_09_Provisional Timetable_short_Public.pdf> Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald Professor of Oriental Art History Head of Department University of Bonn Institute of Oriental and Asian Studies (IOA) Department of Asian and Islamic Art History Adenauerallee 10 53113 Bonn Germany Email: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de www.aik.uni-bonn.de Tel. 0049-228-73 7213 Fax. 0049-228-73 4042 _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One of them is Tirahi and what I'm looking for is very simple: a speaker eager to record the phrase "A different language is a different vision of life" - in Tirahi. I feel this is a good way for people to discover the essence of each language through its sound. I would really appreciate your help, so please let me know if you or anyone you know would be able to help. By all means I'll be very happy to answer any questions you may have, and to share more information about the project. Thank you in advance. Looking forward to hearing from you, Raph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From georges.pinault at wanadoo.fr Thu Jan 11 18:29:58 2018 From: georges.pinault at wanadoo.fr (Georges PINAULT) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 18 19:29:58 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Conference on footprints, feet and shoes in Asian Art, Bonn, April 2018 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <484798057.22744.1515695398966.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c11> Dear All, ? Thanks for these informations and best wishes for 2018.? I would be grateful if anyone belonging to this list can recommend me monographs or reference papers about the mirror, preferably in Classical India, under all aspects; literature, art, craft, mythology, etc. Many thanks in advance. ?? Best regards, ?? Georges-Jean Pinaut (Paris, EPHE) ? ? ? ? > Message du 10/01/18 01:22> De : "Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY" > A : "Julia Hegewald" > Copie ? : "Dominik Wujastyk" , "Indology" > Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Conference on footprints, feet and shoes in Asian Art, Bonn, April 2018> > Dear all, ? This announcement reminds me of an expression in the Sarvadar?anasa?graha that I have difficulty understanding. On p. 418 of Abhyankar's edition (line 16.298) it mentions "showing a cloth with the imprint of the son's foot" (putrapad??kitapa?apradar?anavat) in the context of announcing the birth of a son. Does this refer to a known custom in India? ? Johannes Bronkhorst On 9 Jan 2018, at 21:22, Julia Hegewald via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear friends and colleagues, ? this is to inform you about a conference on representations of feet, foot imprints and shoes in Asian and Islamic art to be held at the University of Bonn in April 2018. Further details and the abstracts can be found on our webpage which will be updated regularly as we approach the dates of the conference: ? https://www.ioa.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/aik/Konferenzen/in-the-footsteps-of-the-masters ? A provisional timetable can be found below and attached. All are welcome to attend. ? In case you have fascinating material on foot images from an Asian or Islamic context and would like a chapter to be considered for inclusion in our extended conference publication, then please get in touch with me directly. ? With kind regards, ? Julia Hegewald. ? In the Footsteps of the Masters: Footprints, Feet and Shoes as Objects of Veneration in the Arts of Asia ? ? International conference Department of Asian and Islamic Art History (AIK), The University of Bonn Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald 19th to 21st April 2018 ? ? ? Provisional Timetable ? ? Thursday, 19th April 2018 >From 16:00: tea 17:00-18:30: keynote address?????????? Prof. Dr. Susan L. Huntington, Columbus ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Footprints in the Early Buddhist Art of India: An Examination of Art Historical Methodology ? ? Friday, 20th April 2018 10:00-11:00??? ??????????? ?????????????????????? Buddhist footprints from Nepal and Tibet: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Prof. Dr. Gudrun B?hnemann, Wisconsin-Madison ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The Feet of Ma?ju?r? ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Dr. Elisabeth Haderer, Hamburg and Bonn ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Enlightened Presence?On the Representation of Footprints in Tibetan Buddhist Painted Scrolls ? 11:00-11:30 Coffee break 11:30-12:30?????????????????????????????????????? Jaina foot imprints in India: Prof. Dr. Nalini Balbir, Paris ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Religious Issues Regarding the P?duk?s of Jain Teachers ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald, Bonn ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Foot Images (P?duk?s) as Multivariate Symbols in Jaina Religious Practices in India ? 12:30-14:30 Lunch break 14:30-16:00?????????????????????????????????????? Hindu footprints and Lingayat sandals from India: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Dr. Jutta Jain-Neubauer, New Delhi and Berlin ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Feet and Footmarks in Indian Culture and their Visual?Representation ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Nick Barnard, London ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Footprints of Hindu Deities in Indian Jewellery Prof. Dr. Tiziana Lorenzetti, Rome ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The Cult of Footwear in the Li?g?yat Tradition: Peculiarities and Symbologies ? 16:00-16:30 Tea break ? 16:30-17:30?????????????????????????? ??????????? Buddhist foot imprints in Southeast and East Asia: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Dr. Sarah Shaw, Oxford ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The Buddha?s Footprint and the Southeast Asian?Imaginaire ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Dr. Claudia Wenzel, Heidelberg ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The Buddha?s Footprints in China ? ? Saturday, 21st April 2018 10:00-11:00??? ?????????????????????????????????? Feet and sandals in the Islamic world (5 papers): ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Prof. Dr. Lorenz Korn, Bamberg ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Footprints as Relics and as Symbols of Veneration in?Islamic Art ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Dr. Deniz Erduman-Calis, Munich ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Kadem-i Saadet?Foot Imprints of the Prophet Muhammad in the Collection of the Topkapi Palace?Museum in Istanbul ? 11:00-11:30 Coffee break?????????????? ??????????? 11:30-13:00?????????????????????????? ??????????? Iman R. Abdulfattah, New York and Bonn????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Footprints of the Prophet as Modes of Dissemination and?Modes of Control ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Waheeda Bano Baloch, Jamshoro and Bonn???????? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The Holy Footprints Across Sindh (Pakistan) ??????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Karin Adrian von Roques, Bonn ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Footprints of the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) in?Contemporary Art? ? ? <2018_01_09_Provisional Timetable_short_Public.pdf> ? Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald Professor of Oriental Art History Head of Department University of Bonn Institute of Oriental and Asian Studies (IOA) Department of Asian and Islamic Art History Adenauerallee 10 53113 Bonn Germany ? 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URL: From gthomgt at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 21:59:08 2018 From: gthomgt at gmail.com (George Thompson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 18 16:59:08 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Conference on footprints, feet and shoes in Asian Art, Bonn, April 2018 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Thompson Date: Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Conference on footprints, feet and shoes in Asian Art, Bonn, April 2018 To: Julia Hegewald Dear List, I agree with colleagues who have welcomed this conference on footprints. I wish that I could attend. I have noticed, however, that there is no reference among the conference papers to footprints in the Vedas. If any of you are interested in footprints in the Vedas, may I recommend to you two papers that I wrote in 1995: "The Pursuit of Hidden Tracks in Vedic", published in Indo-Iranian Journal, vol. 38: pp. 1-30 "From 'footstep' to 'word' in Sanskrit", published in Semiotica, vol. 106-1/2: pp. 77-98. "Semiotics" is the science of signs, and in this science there is much literature on the footprint as a highly polyvalent sign. Best wishes, George Thompson On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Julia Hegewald via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear friends and colleagues, > > this is to inform you about a conference on representations of feet, foot > imprints and shoes in Asian and Islamic art to be held at the University of > Bonn in April 2018. Further details and the abstracts can be found on our > webpage which will be updated regularly as we approach the dates of the > conference: > > https://www.ioa.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/aik/Konferenzen/ > in-the-footsteps-of-the-masters > > A provisional timetable can be found below and attached. All are welcome > to attend. > > In case you have fascinating material on foot images from an Asian or > Islamic context and would like a chapter to be considered for inclusion in > our extended conference publication, then please get in touch with me > directly. > > With kind regards, > > Julia Hegewald. > > > *In the Footsteps of the Masters:* > > *Footprints, Feet and Shoes as Objects of Veneration in the Arts of Asia* > > > > > > International conference > > Department of Asian and Islamic Art History (AIK), The University of Bonn > > Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald > > 19th to 21st April 2018 > > > > > > > > *Provisional Timetable* > > > > > > *Thursday, 19th April 2018* > > From 16:00: *tea* > > 17:00-18:30: keynote address *Prof. Dr. Susan L. Huntington*, > Columbus > > Footprints in > the Early Buddhist Art of India: > > An Examination of Art Historical Methodology > > > > > > *Friday, 20th April 2018* > > 10:00-11:00 *Buddhist footprints > from Nepal and Tibet*: > > *Prof. Dr. > Gudrun B?hnemann*, Wisconsin-Madison > > The Feet of > Ma?ju?r? > > > > *Dr. Elisabeth > Haderer*, Hamburg and Bonn > Enlightened > Presence?On the Representation of > > Footprints in Tibetan Buddhist Painted Scrolls > > > > 11:00-11:30 > > *Coffee break * > > 11:30-12:30 *Jaina foot imprints in > India*: > > Prof. Dr. Nalini Balbir, Paris > > Religious > Issues Regarding the *P?duk?*s of Jain Teachers > > > > * Prof. Dr. Julia > A. B. Hegewald*, Bonn > Foot Images ( > *P?duk?*s) as Multivariate Symbols in Jaina > > Religious Practices in India > > > > 12:30-14:30 *Lunch break* > > 14:30-16:00 *Hindu footprints and > Lingayat sandals from India*: > > * Dr. Jutta > Jain-Neubauer*, New Delhi and Berlin > Feet and > Footmarks in Indian Culture and their Visual Representation > > > * Nick Barnard*, > London > Footprints of > Hindu Deities in Indian Jewellery > > > * Prof. Dr. Tiziana Lorenzetti*, Rome > > The Cult of > Footwear in the Li?g?yat Tradition: > > Peculiarities and Symbologies > > > > 16:00-16:30 *Tea break* > > > > 16:30-17:30 *Buddhist foot imprints > in Southeast and East Asia*: > > *Dr. Sarah Shaw*, > Oxford > > The Buddha?s > Footprint and the Southeast Asian Imaginaire > > > > *Dr. Claudia > Wenzel*, Heidelberg > > The Buddha?s > Footprints in China > > > > > > *Saturday, 21st April 2018* > > 10:00-11:00 *Feet and sandals in > the Islamic world (5 papers)*: > > *Prof. Dr. **Lorenz > Korn*, Bamberg > Footprints as > Relics and as Symbols of Veneration in Islamic Art > > > > * Dr. Deniz > Erduman-Calis*, Munich > Kadem-i > Saadet?Foot Imprints of the Prophet > > Muhammad in the Collection of the Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul > > > > 11:00-11:30 *Coffee break* > > > > 11:30-13:00 *Iman R. Abdulfattah*, > New York and Bonn > Footprints of > the Prophet as Modes of Dissemination and Modes of Control > > > > *Waheeda Bano > Baloch*, Jamshoro and Bonn > The > Holy Footprints Across Sindh (Pakistan) > > > > * Karin Adrian > von Roques*, Bonn > Footprints of > the Prophet Mohamed (*pbuh*) in Contemporary Art > > > > > > > Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. 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URL: From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com Thu Jan 11 22:53:22 2018 From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 18 22:53:22 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] mirrors In-Reply-To: <484798057.22744.1515695398966.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c11> Message-ID: Dear Professor Pinault, cher Georges-Jean, There was a string on mirrors on INDOLOGY a few months ago. You can search the archive to find the relevant messages. Avec mes meilleurs voeux pour 2018, Arlo Griffiths ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of Georges PINAULT via INDOLOGY Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 6:29 PM To: Johannes Bronkhorst; Julia Hegewald Cc: Dominik Wujastyk; Indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Conference on footprints, feet and shoes in Asian Art, Bonn, April 2018 Dear All, Thanks for these informations and best wishes for 2018. I would be grateful if anyone belonging to this list can recommend me monographs or reference papers about the mirror, preferably in Classical India, under all aspects; literature, art, craft, mythology, etc. Many thanks in advance. Best regards, Georges-Jean Pinault (Paris, EPHE) > Message du 10/01/18 01:22 > De : "Johannes Bronkhorst via INDOLOGY" > A : "Julia Hegewald" > Copie ? : "Dominik Wujastyk" , "Indology" > Objet : Re: [INDOLOGY] Conference on footprints, feet and shoes in Asian Art, Bonn, April 2018 > > Dear all, This announcement reminds me of an expression in the Sarvadar?anasa?graha that I have difficulty understanding. On p. 418 of Abhyankar's edition (line 16.298) it mentions "showing a cloth with the imprint of the son's foot" (putrapad??kitapa?apradar?anavat) in the context of announcing the birth of a son. Does this refer to a known custom in India? Johannes Bronkhorst On 9 Jan 2018, at 21:22, Julia Hegewald via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear friends and colleagues, this is to inform you about a conference on representations of feet, foot imprints and shoes in Asian and Islamic art to be held at the University of Bonn in April 2018. Further details and the abstracts can be found on our webpage which will be updated regularly as we approach the dates of the conference: https://www.ioa.uni-bonn.de/de/abteilungen/aik/Konferenzen/in-the-footsteps-of-the-masters A provisional timetable can be found below and attached. All are welcome to attend. In case you have fascinating material on foot images from an Asian or Islamic context and would like a chapter to be considered for inclusion in our extended conference publication, then please get in touch with me directly. With kind regards, Julia Hegewald. In the Footsteps of the Masters: Footprints, Feet and Shoes as Objects of Veneration in the Arts of Asia International conference Department of Asian and Islamic Art History (AIK), The University of Bonn Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald 19th to 21st April 2018 Provisional Timetable Thursday, 19th April 2018 >From 16:00: tea 17:00-18:30: keynote address Prof. Dr. Susan L. Huntington, Columbus Footprints in the Early Buddhist Art of India: An Examination of Art Historical Methodology Friday, 20th April 2018 10:00-11:00 Buddhist footprints from Nepal and Tibet: Prof. Dr. Gudrun B?hnemann, Wisconsin-Madison The Feet of Ma?ju?r? Dr. Elisabeth Haderer, Hamburg and Bonn Enlightened Presence?On the Representation of Footprints in Tibetan Buddhist Painted Scrolls 11:00-11:30 Coffee break 11:30-12:30 Jaina foot imprints in India: Prof. Dr. Nalini Balbir, Paris Religious Issues Regarding the P?duk?s of Jain Teachers Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald, Bonn Foot Images (P?duk?s) as Multivariate Symbols in Jaina Religious Practices in India 12:30-14:30 Lunch break 14:30-16:00 Hindu footprints and Lingayat sandals from India: Dr. Jutta Jain-Neubauer, New Delhi and Berlin Feet and Footmarks in Indian Culture and their Visual Representation Nick Barnard, London Footprints of Hindu Deities in Indian Jewellery Prof. Dr. Tiziana Lorenzetti, Rome The Cult of Footwear in the Li?g?yat Tradition: Peculiarities and Symbologies 16:00-16:30 Tea break 16:30-17:30 Buddhist foot imprints in Southeast and East Asia: Dr. Sarah Shaw, Oxford The Buddha?s Footprint and the Southeast Asian Imaginaire Dr. Claudia Wenzel, Heidelberg The Buddha?s Footprints in China Saturday, 21st April 2018 10:00-11:00 Feet and sandals in the Islamic world (5 papers): Prof. Dr. Lorenz Korn, Bamberg Footprints as Relics and as Symbols of Veneration in Islamic Art Dr. Deniz Erduman-Calis, Munich Kadem-i Saadet?Foot Imprints of the Prophet Muhammad in the Collection of the Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul 11:00-11:30 Coffee break 11:30-13:00 Iman R. Abdulfattah, New York and Bonn Footprints of the Prophet as Modes of Dissemination and Modes of Control Waheeda Bano Baloch, Jamshoro and Bonn The Holy Footprints Across Sindh (Pakistan) Karin Adrian von Roques, Bonn Footprints of the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) in Contemporary Art <2018_01_09_Provisional Timetable_short_Public.pdf> Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. 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There are mant other mantras used as part of Sandhya Vandanam which are in praise of water in general. ??? ?? ???? ??????? etc. Aapah sookta ??? ?? ???? ??????? is used independent of Sandhya Vandanam also. On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 7:27 PM, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear List Members > > A friend has asked if I could help him collect Sanskrit verses in praise > of water. > He's not thinking so much of verses praising specific rivers, but water as > such. > Does anything come to mind? > > Yours Alex > -- > Alex Watson > Professor of Indian Philosophy > Ashoka University > *https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson > * > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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Best, Tim Timothy Lubin Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Chair of the Department of Religion Chair of the Middle East and South Asia Studies Program 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of INDOLOGY > Reply-To: Alex Watson > Date: Friday, January 12, 2018 at 8:57 AM To: INDOLOGY > Subject: [INDOLOGY] in praise of water Dear List Members A friend has asked if I could help him collect Sanskrit verses in praise of water. He's not thinking so much of verses praising specific rivers, but water as such. Does anything come to mind? Yours Alex -- Alex Watson Professor of Indian Philosophy Ashoka University https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francois.voegeli at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 17:34:51 2018 From: francois.voegeli at gmail.com (Francois Voegeli) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 18 18:34:51 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] in praise of water In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Other important mantras for the ritual related to aapo devii.h: TS.1.1.5.1; TS.1.3.8.2; TB.3.2.5.3 and suchlike. Check the Vedic Concordance under aapo devii.h. > On 12 Jan 2018, at 18:24, Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Alex, how about ?gveda 7.47, 7.49, 10.9, and various other stanzas? > > Best, > Tim > > Timothy Lubin > Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law > Chair of the Department of Religion > Chair of the Middle East and South Asia Studies Program > 204 Tucker Hall > Washington and Lee University > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > > http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint > http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 > > > From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of INDOLOGY > > Reply-To: Alex Watson > > Date: Friday, January 12, 2018 at 8:57 AM > To: INDOLOGY > > Subject: [INDOLOGY] in praise of water > > Dear List Members > > A friend has asked if I could help him collect Sanskrit verses in praise of water. > He's not thinking so much of verses praising specific rivers, but water as such. > Does anything come to mind? > > Yours Alex > -- > Alex Watson > Professor of Indian Philosophy > Ashoka University > https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ancient Tamil poetry has some nice references in praise of water. > On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:57 AM, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear List Members > > A friend has asked if I could help him collect Sanskrit verses in praise of water. > He's not thinking so much of verses praising specific rivers, but water as such. > Does anything come to mind? > > Yours Alex > -- > Alex Watson > Professor of Indian Philosophy > Ashoka University > https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yaophi at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 02:30:25 2018 From: yaophi at gmail.com (Z Y) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 18 10:30:25 +0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] in praise of water In-Reply-To: <8D0AFB0E-9E65-4355-B1C6-37A0D04769EB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi, Alex, my following study is somewhat relevant. More references are found in the article. Zhihua Yao, "One, Water, and Cosmogony: Reflections on the ?gveda X.129 and the *Taiyi sheng shui*?. In Ithamar Theodor and Zhihua Yao (eds.)* Brahman and Dao: Comparative Studies of Indian and Chinese Philosophy and Religion* (Lexington Books 2014), 3-18. Zhihua Yao Associate Professor of Philosophy The Chinese University of Hong Kong On Jan 13, 2018 2:10 AM, "rajam via INDOLOGY" wrote: My posting may be ignored since it concerns Tamil, not Sanskrit!! In Tamil we have a proverb: ?t?yaip pa?itt?lum ta???raip pa?ikk?t? (?????? ??????????? ????????? ?????????)? meaning, ?Don?t revile the water even if you revile your mother.? The well-known literature Tirukku?a? has a chapter on rain/water. Ancient Tamil poetry has some nice references in praise of water. On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:57 AM, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: Dear List Members A friend has asked if I could help him collect Sanskrit verses in praise of water. He's not thinking so much of verses praising specific rivers, but water as such. Does anything come to mind? Yours Alex -- Alex Watson Professor of Indian Philosophy Ashoka University *https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson * _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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His translation (and copious explanations) of the initial part of the Ku?a?, in which the (second) chapter called "The praise of rain", occupies pp.44-55 in the PDF file, and directly follows the first chapter ("The praise of God", pp. 6-43 of the PDF), contains long quotations from many other works, and gives a fairly good idea of what it was to discover, in those days, Indian Classical Literatures through the mediation of Tamil scholars, when all the modern easy ENGLISH BYPASS ROADS TO KNOWLEDGE did not yet exist .. -- Jean-Luc (in Paris) https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard https://twitter.com/JLC1956 On 12/01/2018 19:09, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote: > My posting may be ignored since it concerns Tamil, not Sanskrit!! > > In Tamil we have a proverb: > > ?t?yaip pa?itt?lum ta???raip pa?ikk?t? (?????? ??????????? ????????? ?????????)? > meaning, ?Don?t revile the water even if you revile your mother.? > > The well-known literature Tirukku?a? has a chapter on rain/water. > Ancient Tamil poetry has some nice references in praise of water. > >> On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:57 AM, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY wrote: >> >> Dear List Members >> >> A friend has asked if I could help him collect Sanskrit verses in praise of water. >> He's not thinking so much of verses praising specific rivers, but water as such. >> Does anything come to mind? >> >> Yours Alex >> -- >> Alex Watson >> Professor of Indian Philosophy >> Ashoka University >> https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > From jon.peterson at mail.utoronto.ca Sat Jan 13 17:06:56 2018 From: jon.peterson at mail.utoronto.ca (Jonathan Peterson) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 18 17:06:56 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Ko=E1=B9=87kan=C4=81bhyudaya_ms?= Message-ID: <04887FA0-1C56-4C44-B0F0-7A961FC4EC8E@mail.utoronto.ca> Dear all; I?m wondering if any list members might have information on the Ko?kan?bhyudaya by S?garar?m?carya. B.N.K. Sharma makes extensive use of it in his history of M?dhva Ved?nta, but, as far as I can tell, makes no mention of bibliographic information or which manuscript libraries may hold copies of the text. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Jonathan Peterson University of Toronto From kauzeya at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 03:57:10 2018 From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 18 04:57:10 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] um, yes, not *quite* Indology pur sang, er em... Message-ID: from https://www.smbc-comics.com/ -- J. Silk Leiden University Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b 2311 BZ Leiden The Netherlands copies of my publications may be found at http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Peterson via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all; > > I?m wondering if any list members might have information on the > Ko?kan?bhyudaya by S?garar?m?carya. B.N.K. Sharma makes extensive use of it > in his history of M?dhva Ved?nta, but, as far as I can tell, makes no > mention of bibliographic information or which manuscript libraries may hold > copies of the text. Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > Best wishes, > Jonathan Peterson > University of Toronto > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.peterson at mail.utoronto.ca Sun Jan 14 12:34:22 2018 From: jon.peterson at mail.utoronto.ca (Jonathan Peterson) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 18 12:34:22 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Ko=E1=B9=87kan=C4=81bhyudaya_ms?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <67A0C32F-85B1-46D3-B7C6-C5E3131CDD26@mail.utoronto.ca> Dear Nagaraj, Thank you. I should specify that I'm looking for any information on whether the text was published or where I may find copies of a manuscript. Many thanks, Jonathan On Jan 14, 2018, at 17:38, Nagaraj Paturi > wrote: here It is said that the book is written in 1700 AD. On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Peterson via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear all; I?m wondering if any list members might have information on the Ko?kan?bhyudaya by S?garar?m?carya. B.N.K. Sharma makes extensive use of it in his history of M?dhva Ved?nta, but, as far as I can tell, makes no mention of bibliographic information or which manuscript libraries may hold copies of the text. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Jonathan Peterson University of Toronto _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 12:37:47 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 18 18:07:47 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Ko=E1=B9=87kan=C4=81bhyudaya_ms?= In-Reply-To: <67A0C32F-85B1-46D3-B7C6-C5E3131CDD26@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: [image: Inline image 1] On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:04 PM, Jonathan Peterson < jon.peterson at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote: > Dear Nagaraj, > Thank you. I should specify that I'm looking for any information on > whether the text was published or where I may find copies of a manuscript. > Many thanks, > Jonathan > > On Jan 14, 2018, at 17:38, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > > here > > > It is said that the book is written in 1700 AD. > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Peterson via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear all; >> >> I?m wondering if any list members might have information on the >> Ko?kan?bhyudaya by S?garar?m?carya. B.N.K. Sharma makes extensive use of it >> in his history of M?dhva Ved?nta, but, as far as I can tell, makes no >> mention of bibliographic information or which manuscript libraries may hold >> copies of the text. Any information would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Best wishes, >> Jonathan Peterson >> University of Toronto >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) > > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 12:42:56 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 18 18:12:56 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Ko=E1=B9=87kan=C4=81bhyudaya_ms?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: December 1940 issue of Indian Historical Quarterly mentions it as a "newly discovered" manuscript. On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > [image: Inline image 1] > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:04 PM, Jonathan Peterson < > jon.peterson at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote: > >> Dear Nagaraj, >> Thank you. I should specify that I'm looking for any information on >> whether the text was published or where I may find copies of a manuscript. >> Many thanks, >> Jonathan >> >> On Jan 14, 2018, at 17:38, Nagaraj Paturi >> wrote: >> >> here >> >> >> It is said that the book is written in 1700 AD. >> >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Peterson via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear all; >>> >>> I?m wondering if any list members might have information on the >>> Ko?kan?bhyudaya by S?garar?m?carya. B.N.K. Sharma makes extensive use of it >>> in his history of M?dhva Ved?nta, but, as far as I can tell, makes no >>> mention of bibliographic information or which manuscript libraries may hold >>> copies of the text. Any information would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Jonathan Peterson >>> University of Toronto >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 12:48:06 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 18 18:18:06 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Ko=E1=B9=87kan=C4=81bhyudaya_ms?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [image: Inline image 1] On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > December 1940 issue of Indian Historical Quarterly mentions it as a > "newly discovered" manuscript. > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Nagaraj Paturi > wrote: > >> [image: Inline image 1] >> >> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:04 PM, Jonathan Peterson < >> jon.peterson at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote: >> >>> Dear Nagaraj, >>> Thank you. I should specify that I'm looking for any information on >>> whether the text was published or where I may find copies of a manuscript. >>> Many thanks, >>> Jonathan >>> >>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 17:38, Nagaraj Paturi >>> wrote: >>> >>> here >>> >>> >>> It is said that the book is written in 1700 AD. >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Peterson via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all; >>>> >>>> I?m wondering if any list members might have information on the >>>> Ko?kan?bhyudaya by S?garar?m?carya. B.N.K. Sharma makes extensive use of it >>>> in his history of M?dhva Ved?nta, but, as far as I can tell, makes no >>>> mention of bibliographic information or which manuscript libraries may hold >>>> copies of the text. Any information would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Jonathan Peterson >>>> University of Toronto >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nagaraj Paturi >>> >>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>> >>> >>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>> >>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>> >>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>> >>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>> >>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de Sun Jan 14 16:39:21 2018 From: heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de (Heike Oberlin) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 18 17:39:21 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Professor Dr. Heinrich von Stietencron passed away Message-ID: <72F63FF7-3C39-44B5-AD66-11E587B095FF@uni-tuebingen.de> Padmashri Professor Dr. Heinrich von Stietencron, Emeritus of the Department of Indology and Comparative Religion of the Institute of Asian and Oriental Studies, University of Tuebingen, passed on January 12th at the age of 84 years. The memorial service will take place on Friday, January 19th at 11am in the Stiftskirche at Tuebingen. There will be an opportunity to exchange thoughts and memories afterwards. The urn burial takes place in Ticino in the closest family circle. Address for condolences: Barbara von Stietencron Beim Nonnenhaus 16 | 72070 Tuebingen | Germany 07071 550809 | bstietencron at gmail.com From wujastyk at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 17:22:14 2018 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 18 10:22:14 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] um, yes, not *quite* Indology pur sang, er em... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aaaargh! The classic noob mistake! That message was meant for Jonathan, and not for the list at large. Apologies, everyone. Dominik ?? On 13 January 2018 at 22:26, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > > ? > ?Funny :-) Thanks!? > > > I needed a smile. I've just cancelled attendance at a conference in the > USA in April for political reasons. > Beginning to think of the USA as a paraih state. > > Best, > > Dominik > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've just cancelled attendance at a conference in the >> USA in April for political reasons. >> Beginning to think of the USA as a paraih state. >> >> Best, >> >> Dominik >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Jan 14 19:41:03 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 18 11:41:03 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] um, yes, not *quite* Indology pur sang, er em... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I fully support David Reigle's feelings. It is deeply upsetting to hear Trump's comments. Madhav On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:55 AM, David and Nancy Reigle via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > No worries, Dominik. I doubt that any U.S. citizen on this list would > disagree with your observation about the USA. We (if I may speak for the > majority) are embarrassed by the president who somehow got elected by the > minority. > > Best regards, > > David Reigle > Colorado, U.S.A. > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Aaaargh! The classic noob mistake! That message was meant for Jonathan, >> and not for the list at large. >> >> Apologies, everyone. >> >> Dominik >> ?? >> >> >> On 13 January 2018 at 22:26, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: >> >>> >>> ? >>> ?Funny :-) Thanks!? >>> >>> >>> I needed a smile. I've just cancelled attendance at a conference in the >>> USA in April for political reasons. >>> Beginning to think of the USA as a paraih state. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Dominik >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Science and Philosophy: Translation, Transmission and Interaction between Persianate and Hindu Traditions?1st-2nd February 2018 Friedrich-Wilhelm University, Bonn?February 1st9.00-9.30: Opening session ?Science and PhilosophyChair: Asad Ahmed9.30-10.15: Noemie Verdon - Al-B?r?n??s Kit?b P?tan?al and Kit?b S?nk: Methods and Strategies of Translation10.15-11.00: Sajjad Rizvi - Empires of the Mind: Metaphysics in the Qasbahs of the late Mughal PeriodCoffee breakChair: Carl Ernst11.30-12.15: Ali Balaeilangroudi - A Persian adaptation of the Ved?ntasara: A Combination of Platonism, Hinduism and Islam12:15-13.00: Patrick Dsilva - The Philosophical Implications of Classifying `ilm-i dam as ?Science? Lunch break?Astrology and AstronomyChair: Mohammad Bagheri14.30-15.15: Kazuyo Sakaki - Tantric elements in Persian translated works on astrology15.15-16.00:? Johannes Thomann - Transcriptions and loan translations of Sanskrit words in early Arabic texts on astronomy and astrologyCoffee breakChair: Eva Orthmann16.30-17.15: S.Rajeswara Sarma - Exploring the Translations of Scientific Texts from Persian to Sanskrit and vice versa17.15-18.00: Zainab Karimian and Mohammad Bagheri - The Persian Translation of the B?jaga?ita by ?A??? All?h Rushd??February 2nd?EncyclopediasChair: Chander Shekhar9.30-10.15: Emma Flatt - A Compendium of Effective and Practical Tools: The Nuj?m al-Ul?m10.15-11.00: Jean Arzoumanov - Indic science, art and craft in the Y?dg?r-i bah?dur?, a nineteenth- Century Indo-Persian encyclopedia Coffee break?The ?alihotra traditionChair: Fabrizio Speziale11.30-12.15: Eva Orthmann - Colour and coat: The prognostic parts of the ?alihotra in Persian guise12:15-13.00: Chander Shekhar - Variants of Indo-Persian terms in Persian adaptations of ?alihotra Lunch break?Medicine, Yoga and AlchemyChair: Tilmann Trausch14.30-15.15: Carl Ernst - Medical and Scientific Aspects of Mu?ammad ?aw??s interpretation of Yoga15.15-16.00: Fabrizio Speziale - Muslim Readers of rasa??stra: Interpretations and Classification of Indian Iatrochemistry in Persianate Culture Coffee breakChair: Johannes Thomann16.30-17.15: Stefan Reichmuth - ?ibb and Indian Medical Tradition in the Sultanate Period: ?ak?m Q?sim b. Ya?q?b and his Kit?b-i Sulaym?n-Sh?h? (902/1496) 17.15-18.00: General Discussion?Venue: Friedrich-Wilhelm University, Heussallee 18-24, 53113, BonnScientific coordination: Eva Orthmann (Friedrich-Wilhelm University, Bonn) ? Fabrizio Speziale (EHESS, Paris).Contact for information: Ali Balaei Langroudi: s2albala at uni-bonn.de. Webpage: http://www.perso-indica.net/events-news/31 Fabrizio SpezialeDirecteur d??tudes /?Professor?cole des Hautes ?tudes en Sciences SocialesCenter for South Asian Studies54 Boulevard Raspail75006, Paris?http://www.perso-indica.net/https://ehess.academia.edu/FabrizioSpeziale?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Abstractvolume.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 539479 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With best wishes, Jay Soni ----- Message from Jo Brill via INDOLOGY --------- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:40:59 -0600 From: Jo Brill via INDOLOGY Reply-To: Jo Brill Subject: [INDOLOGY] Indologica Taurinensia? To: indology at list.indology.info > Dear list, > > Does anyone know how to access the journal? The domain > http://www.indologica.com/ has apparently expired. > > Many thanks, > Jo ----- End message from Jo Brill via INDOLOGY ----- -- From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 20:59:18 2018 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 18 15:59:18 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Pronunciation_of_j=C3=B1?= Message-ID: Dear list members, I've been asked about the pronounciation of the conjunct j? . Coulson writes: "j?a: the pronounciation of this varies wid is that it is a palatalisation so to speak en bloc of an original gn, In some places, for instance, it is like gya, in others dnya. . . . The point about j? is that it is a palatal isation so to speak en bloc of an original gn.. . . . Perhaps the most approprate of the modern pronunciations to adopt is therefore gnya which (by adding y to gn) thus crudely represent a palatalisation." 1) Is j?a ever pronounced in India as jnya and if so where? 2) where in India are the different pronounciations Coulson lists (gya, dnya, gnya) located? Thanks, Vasishtha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 21:01:40 2018 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 18 16:01:40 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Pronunciation_of_j=C3=B1?= Message-ID: Dear list members, I've been asked about the pronounciation of the conjunct j? . Coulson writes: "j?a: the pronounciation of this varies wid is that it is a palatalisation so to speak en bloc of an original gn, In some places, for instance, it is like gya, in others dnya. . . . The point about j? is that it is a palatal isation so to speak en bloc of an original gn.. . . . Perhaps the most approprate of the modern pronunciations to adopt is therefore gnya which (by adding y to gn) thus crudely represent a palatalisation." 1) Is j?a ever pronounced in India as jnya and if so where? 2) where in India are the different pronounciations Coulson lists (gya, dnya, gnya) located? Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LubinT at wlu.edu Mon Jan 15 22:07:07 2018 From: LubinT at wlu.edu (Lubin, Tim) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 18 22:07:07 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Pronunciation_of_j=C3=B1?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Harry, /j?/ is has been a very unstable sequence in India for a very long time, and its varying treatment can be traced in part through Prakrits (see Pischel?s Prakrit Grammar, ?88, ?119, ?303). Already, in A?oka?s edicts we see a simple (very rarely doubled) /n/ (Kalsa in N, Dhauli in E) or /?/ (NW and far south) or /?/ (at Girnar) in forms like ?napayati or ??apayati, ?orders? (cf. Sanskrit ?j??payati), with [n] or [?]; Pali has /?/ (pronounced [ny]) initially and /??/ medially. One can sum up by saying that the initial /j/ has a tendency to disappear, or to survive in a minimal way in western India as an unexploded /d/ ? that is, the beginning of a /j/ = [dzh/ without the fricative which is dropped before the [ny], OR realizing the /j/ with a velar stop instead. The options by region, generally, seem to be [gy] with or without accompanying nasalization much of the Hindi belt, [dny] in Maharasthtra and thereabouts, and either [ny] or [gn]/[kin] in the Tamil sphere, where an epenthetical vowel is inserted to break up the cluster. This also happens in northwestern India, where we get Ismaili works called gin?n (< j??na) from Sindh, Gujarat, and Panjab. What does NOT seem to happen much is what Westerners today most often produce: j + epenthetical vowel + n The regional variation is discussed (too) briefly on p. 78 of: Chatterji, Suniti Kumar. 1960. ?The Pronunciation of Sanskrit?. Indian Linguistics 21, 61?82. In my edition of the N?larudropani?ad (p. 87), I use the Maharashtrian pronunciation as diagnostic to identify the origin of a particular variant reading in the text: https://www.academia.edu/408391/The_N%C4%ABlarudropani%E1%B9%A3ad_and_the_Paippal%C4%81dasa%E1%B9%83hit%C4%81_A_Critical_Edition_with_Translation_of_the_Upani%E1%B9%A3ad_and_N%C4%81r%C4%81ya%E1%B9%87as_D%C4%ABpik%C4%81 I discuss the Prakrit and Tamil reflexes of the j? conjunct a bit here as well (on pp. 425?426): https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1720704 Best, Tim Timothy Lubin Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law Chair of the Department of Religion Chair of the Middle East and South Asia Studies Program 204 Tucker Hall Washington and Lee University Lexington, Virginia 24450 http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of INDOLOGY > Reply-To: Harry Spier > Date: Monday, January 15, 2018 at 4:01 PM To: INDOLOGY > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pronunciation of j? Dear list members, I've been asked about the pronounciation of the conjunct j? . Coulson writes: "j?a: the pronounciation of this varies wid is that it is a palatalisation so to speak en bloc of an original gn, In some places, for instance, it is like gya, in others dnya. . . . The point about j? is that it is a palatal isation so to speak en bloc of an original gn.. . . . Perhaps the most approprate of the modern pronunciations to adopt is therefore gnya which (by adding y to gn) thus crudely represent a palatalisation." 1) Is j?a ever pronounced in India as jnya and if so where? 2) where in India are the different pronounciations Coulson lists (gya, dnya, gnya) located? Thanks, Harry Spier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Jan 15 22:17:59 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 18 14:17:59 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Pronunciation_of_j=C3=B1?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tim Lubin's account is generally fine. The typical Marathi pronunciation of j? is indeed dny today. However, in the language of the countryside, one also hears "gy?nab?" for J??ne?vara. The dny pronunciation occasionally results into ny for some speakers. Madhav Deshpande On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Lubin, Tim via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Harry, > > /j?/ is has been a very unstable sequence in India for a very long time, > and its varying treatment can be traced in part through Prakrits (see > Pischel?s *Prakrit Grammar,* ?88, ?119, ?303). Already, in A?oka?s > edicts we see a simple (very rarely doubled) /n/ (Kalsa in N, Dhauli in E) > or /?/ (NW and far south) or /?/ (at Girnar) in forms like *?napayati* or > *??apayati*, ?orders? (cf. Sanskrit *?j??payati*), with [n] or [?]; Pali > has /?/ (pronounced [ny]) initially and /??/ medially. > > One can sum up by saying that the initial /j/ has a tendency to disappear, > or to survive in a minimal way in western India as an unexploded /d/ ? that > is, the beginning of a /j/ = [dzh/ without the fricative which is dropped > before the [ny], OR realizing the /j/ with a velar stop instead. > > The options by region, generally, seem to be [gy] with or without > accompanying nasalization much of the Hindi belt, [dny] in Maharasthtra and > thereabouts, and either [ny] or [gn]/[kin] in the Tamil sphere, where an > epenthetical vowel is inserted to break up the cluster. This also happens > in northwestern India, where we get Ismaili works called *gin?n* (< > j??na) from Sindh, Gujarat, and Panjab. > > What does NOT seem to happen much is what Westerners today most often > produce: j + epenthetical vowel + n > > The regional variation is discussed (too) briefly on p. 78 of: > Chatterji, Suniti Kumar. 1960. ?The Pronunciation of Sanskrit?. *Indian > Linguistics* 21, 61?82. > > In my edition of the *N?larudropani?ad *(p. 87), I use the Maharashtrian > pronunciation as diagnostic to identify the origin of a particular variant > reading in the text: > https://www.academia.edu/408391/The_N%C4%ABlarudropani% > E1%B9%A3ad_and_the_Paippal%C4%81dasa%E1%B9%83hit%C4%81_A_ > Critical_Edition_with_Translation_of_the_Upani%E1% > B9%A3ad_and_N%C4%81r%C4%81ya%E1%B9%87as_D%C4%ABpik%C4%81 > > I discuss the Prakrit and Tamil reflexes of the j? conjunct a bit here as > well (on pp. 425?426): > https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1720704 > > Best, > Tim > > Timothy Lubin > Professor of Religion and Adjunct Professor of Law > Chair of the Department of Religion > Chair of the Middle East and South Asia Studies Program > 204 Tucker Hall > Washington and Lee University > Lexington, Virginia 24450 > > http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint > http://wlu.academia.edu/TimothyLubin > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=930949 > > > > From: INDOLOGY on behalf of > INDOLOGY > Reply-To: Harry Spier > Date: Monday, January 15, 2018 at 4:01 PM > To: INDOLOGY > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pronunciation of j? > > Dear list members, > > I've been asked about the pronounciation of the conjunct j? . > > Coulson writes: > "j?a: the pronounciation of this varies wid is that it is a palatalisation > so to speak en bloc of an original gn, In some places, for instance, it is > like gya, in others dnya. . . . The point about j? is that it is a palatal > isation so to speak en bloc of an original gn.. . . . Perhaps the most > approprate of the modern pronunciations to adopt is therefore gnya which > (by adding y to gn) thus crudely represent a palatalisation." > > 1) Is j?a ever pronounced in India as jnya and if so where? > > 2) where in India are the different pronounciations Coulson lists (gya, > dnya, gnya) located? > > > Thanks, > > Harry Spier > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are lots of excellent articles in IT, and it's all freely available; open access *avant le mot*. Best, Dominik ? -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk ?,? Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity ?,? Department of History and Classics ?,? University of Alberta, Canada ?.? South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca? ?? On 15 January 2018 at 11:17, Jayandra Soni via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Colleagues and Friends, > At long last I received the much awaited news that the Journal is indeed > still alive, but now located at the new website: > www.asiainstitutetorino.it/Indologica > > Thanks to Dominik Wujastyk, we could also use the information he kindly > provided us soon after Christmas: > "The indologica.com website exists in many historical snapshots at the > WayBackMachine (archive.org). See, for example, the snapshot of 21 June > 2017: > https://web.archive.org/web/20170621131741/http://www.indologica.com:80/ " > This is also still active. > > With best wishes, > Jay Soni > > ----- Message from Jo Brill via INDOLOGY > --------- > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:40:59 -0600 > From: Jo Brill via INDOLOGY > Reply-To: Jo Brill > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Indologica Taurinensia? > To: indology at list.indology.info > > > Dear list, >> >> Does anyone know how to access the journal? The domain >> http://www.indologica.com/ has apparently expired. >> >> Many thanks, >> Jo >> > > > ----- End message from Jo Brill via INDOLOGY > ----- > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 15:30:16 2018 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 18 10:30:16 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF needed In-Reply-To: <8A2BC6D3-5F9B-46C5-9EE8-9C59CB71BF38@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Elliot. Best wishes, Harry Spier On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:23 PM, Elliot Stern wrote: > Harry, > > This title is available at archive.org: https://ia801608. > us.archive.org/31/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.506355/2015. > 506355.commemorative-essay.pdf > > Elliot > > > On 15 Jan 2018, at 19:10, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > K. B. Pathak Commemorative > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnreigle at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 16:23:19 2018 From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 18 09:23:19 -0700 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Pronunciation_of_j=C3=B1?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No one has yet replied to this part: "1) Is j?a ever pronounced in India as jnya and if so where?" Yes, I have heard it so pronounced by a few different pandits from different locations. Unfortunately, I did not take note of who or where, but I definitely recall hearing this even on a few different YouTube recordings. This was a big question to me, so I am sure of my memory about the fact of it, if not the particulars. I was impressed early on by the scientific arrangement of the Sanskrit alphabet (guttural to labial), and by the idea that each letter would always be pronounced the same in any occurrence (quite unlike the English alphabet). So when I saw gyana for j??na, I was surprised. I, too, wondered if some Indians did pronounce the j?a as jnya, and took special note to watch for this. While j?a is not easy to pronounce as jnya at the beginning of a word like j??na, it seems to be easier within a word, such as ?j??. If it can be done within a word, it can be done at the beginning of a word. And this is indeed what I heard from these few pandits. Perhaps these few pandits that I heard were trying to restore what they thought was the correct pronunciation. I somehow got this impression, but could easily be wrong about this part. In any case, such pronunciation does exist in India today, at least by a few pandits. Best regards, David Reigle Colorado, U.S.A. On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear list members, > > I've been asked about the pronounciation of the conjunct j? . > > Coulson writes: > "j?a: the pronounciation of this varies wid is that it is a palatalisation > so to speak en bloc of an original gn, In some places, for instance, it is > like gya, in others dnya. . . . The point about j? is that it is a palatal > isation so to speak en bloc of an original gn.. . . . Perhaps the most > approprate of the modern pronunciations to adopt is therefore gnya which > (by adding y to gn) thus crudely represent a palatalisation." > > 1) Is j?a ever pronounced in India as jnya and if so where? > > 2) where in India are the different pronounciations Coulson lists (gya, > dnya, gnya) located? > > > Thanks, > > Vasishtha > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many thanks, Jonathan Peterson University of Toronto From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu Wed Jan 17 17:34:12 2018 From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (rrocher) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 18 12:34:12 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] St. Peterburgische Zeitung 1833 Message-ID: Could a colleague who can access the St. Peterburgische Zeitung of 1833 let me know in which month or months Nos. 219?223 were published? I am facing three versions of the same basic document, in German, French, and English, all dated 1833, but with evidence of successive redaction. Divergences on one crucial point make it important to ascertain the order in which they were redacted. I would be most grateful, Rosane Rocher From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 00:43:46 2018 From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 18 06:13:46 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Pronunciation_of_j=C3=B1?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I floated similar query some years ago and the discussion and references therein may be of some use. https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!search/%E0%A4%9C%E0% A5%8D%E0%A4%9E/samskrita/Qu5-mIvGLS4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Once j? was no longer an acceptable consonant sequence, substitutes had to be found, and the various realizations referred to by Chatterji are different solutions to the problem in contemporary varieties of Sanskrit. 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We are delighted to announce our keynote speakers: ? Kunal Chakrabarti, Professor of Ancient Indian History at Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNR), Delhi, and ? Eleanor Nesbitt, Professor Emerita at the University of Warwick. A provisional programme is below. Bookings can be made via the following link: https://www.dur.ac.uk/conference.booking/details/?id=877 You can also find further information about the Spalding Symposium on our webpage: https://spaldingsymposium.org/ There are, as usual, two booking rates: ?95 unresidential (conference attendance and refreshments only) and ?185 residential (including two nights B&B) Provisional programme: Friday 13th April 1.30pm Introduction and welcome 1.45-3.00pm Opening keynote: Professor Kunal Chakrabarti (JNU)- ?Laksmi?s Other: Brahmanical Construction of a Negative Goddess? 3.00-3.30pm Tea and coffee 3.30-4.30pm Elizabeth M. Rohlman (University of Calgary) ? ?Regions and Regionality in the Mah?pur??as: The Literary Cultures and Religious Communities of Western India in the Mark??deya Pur??a? 4.30-5.30pm Dr Marzenna Jakubczak (Krakow) ? ?Non-theistic devotion in the classical and neo-classical S??khya and Yoga? 5.30-7.00pm Dinner at Lebeneat Restaurant 7.00-8.00pm After dinner paper or entertainment tbc Saturday 14th April 9.00-10.00am Dr Christopher V. Jones (University of Oxford) ? ?Mystery and Secrecy in the Maha?ya?na: A Shared Theme in the ?Lotus? and ?Nirva?n?a? Su?tras? 10.00-11.00am Prof. Natalie Gummer (Beloit College, Wisconsin) ? ?Reassessing Rasa: S?tras, Sovereignty, and the Ritual Substance of Speech? 11.00-11.30am Tea and coffee 11.30am-1.00pm Postgraduate papers Sophie Barker (Lancaster University) ? ??Why Would I Want to Get Married?? Negotiating Permission for Renunciation in the Theri?ga?tha?? 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On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 4:07 AM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear list members, > > If anyone knows the links to online books of stotras, such as > Brihat-stotra-ratnakar, stotra-ratnavali, Brihat-stotra-ratnakar etc. etc. > (or has pdf's of these books or similar books) I'd greatly appreciate > receiving the links or the pdfs. > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 02:31:16 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 18 08:01:16 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Links to books of stotras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How did I /you forget this famous site: https://sanskritdocuments.org/sanskrit/stotra/ On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:53 AM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > Brihat Stotra Ratnakara and many other stotras in Telugu script are > available to buy at > > Tagore Publishing House > 20, Vysya Hostel Building, Kachiguda 'X' Roads, Kachiguda Station Rd, > Kachiguda, Hyderabad, Telangana 500027 > Phone:040 2756 8329 > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Nagaraj Paturi > wrote: > >> http://stotras.krishnasrikanth.in/ >> >> in Telugu but unicode texts ; so transliteration is no issue. >> >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 4:07 AM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> If anyone knows the links to online books of stotras, such as >>> Brihat-stotra-ratnakar, stotra-ratnavali, Brihat-stotra-ratnakar etc. etc. >>> (or has pdf's of these books or similar books) I'd greatly appreciate >>> receiving the links or the pdfs. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwborgland at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 12:20:47 2018 From: jwborgland at gmail.com (jens wilhelm borgland) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 18 13:20:47 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Reading Slowly - A Festschrift for Jens E. Braarvig" Message-ID: Dear colleagues (apologies for cross-posting), I am very glad to announce the publication of the following volume in honour of Professor Jens E. Braarvig on the occasion of his seventieth birthday: "Reading Slowly - A Festschrift for Jens E. Braarvig," edited by Lutz Edzard, Jens W. Borgland and Ute H?sken (Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz Verlag; 2018; ISBN 978-3-447-10964-2). Although it contains contributions from a variety of fields, this book contains much of interest to the members of the Indology list. The publisher's website?where the volume may also be purchased ( https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/Reading_Slowly/title_4134.ahtml)?describes the book as follows: "*Reading Slowly* contains contributions from a variety of fields as diverse as Buddhist Studies, Linguistics, Middle Eastern Studies, Indology, East Asia Studies, Sinology, Classical Studies and Nordic Studies, all focused in some way on the importance of philological scholarship for understanding history, culture, religion, language and law. Although their objects of study, source language(s), media, focus and research questions are different, the essays in this volume are firmly bound together by the philological method ?in the broadest sense of the term ?and the scholarship of Jens E. Braarvig, whose vast scope of interest and knowledge is reflected in the breadth of this Festschrift. With contributions dealing directly with sources in languages such as Sanskrit, P?li, Tibetan, Chinese, Arabic, Hebrew, Hurrian, Korean, Latin, Greek and Old Norse, preserved on materials such as birch bark and paper manuscripts, clay tablets, wood slabs, printed editions, and modern day street signs, this volume is not only a homage to the breadth of Jens Braarvig's scholarship, but also a demonstration of the importance of language proficiency and philology for the humanities." The table of contents can be viewed here: https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/pdfjs/web/viewer.html?file=/ddo/artikel/71633/978-3-447-10964-2_Table%20of%20Contents.pdf#pagemode=thumbs Sincerely, Jens Jens Wilhelm Borgland Postdoktor i indisk religionshistoria / Postdoctoral fellow, History of Indian Religions Teologiska institutionen / Department of Theology Uppsala Universitet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My search includes such instances in contemporary literature" With very best wishes. -- Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) http://ceias.ehess.fr/ http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Fri Jan 19 17:23:50 2018 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 18 18:23:50 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A highly interesting question, Best, Artur Karp (em.) Katedra Azji Po?udniowej Uniwersytet Warszawski Warszawa 2018-01-19 17:56 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > Dear Colleagues, > > I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. > > (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society > (S.T.A.R.S.)" > see e.g: > http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio- > archives-and-society-stars > and > http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une- > autre-histoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > Her query is: > > "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts of > instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group > "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search > includes such instances in contemporary literature" > > With very best wishes. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud > (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, > Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 18:19:05 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 18 23:49:05 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If successful disguise is counted as successful impersonation or passing, there are many. Pandavas disguise themselves as Brahmins in Ekachakrapura and participate in svayamvara in that form only. Are you / Is she looking for such cases? On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > A highly interesting question, > > Best, > > Artur Karp (em.) > Katedra Azji Po?udniowej > Uniwersytet Warszawski > Warszawa > > 2018-01-19 17:56 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info>: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >> >> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >> see e.g: >> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >> s-and-society-stars >> and >> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre- >> histoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >> >> Any help will be much appreciated. >> >> Her query is: >> >> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts >> of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group >> "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search >> includes such instances in contemporary literature" >> >> With very best wishes. >> >> -- >> >> Emmanuel Francis >> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >> Universit?t Hamburg) >> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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URL: From manufrancis at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 18:40:28 2018 From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 18 19:40:28 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Nagaraj Paturi, Yes, such cases are sought for. -- Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) http://ceias.ehess.fr/ http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis 2018-01-19 19:19 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : > If successful disguise is counted as successful impersonation or passing, > there are many. > > Pandavas disguise themselves as Brahmins in Ekachakrapura and participate > in svayamvara in that form only. > > Are you / Is she looking for such cases? > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> A highly interesting question, >> >> Best, >> >> Artur Karp (em.) >> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej >> Uniwersytet Warszawski >> Warszawa >> >> 2018-01-19 17:56 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info>: >> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>> >>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >>> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>> see e.g: >>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>> s-and-society-stars >>> and >>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>> >>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>> >>> Her query is: >>> >>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts >>> of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group >>> "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search >>> includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>> >>> With very best wishes. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Emmanuel Francis >>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:10 AM, Manu Francis wrote: > Dear Nagaraj Paturi, > > Yes, such cases are sought for. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud > (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, > Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > 2018-01-19 19:19 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : > >> If successful disguise is counted as successful impersonation or passing, >> there are many. >> >> Pandavas disguise themselves as Brahmins in Ekachakrapura and participate >> in svayamvara in that form only. >> >> Are you / Is she looking for such cases? >> >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> A highly interesting question, >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Artur Karp (em.) >>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej >>> Uniwersytet Warszawski >>> Warszawa >>> >>> 2018-01-19 17:56 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info>: >>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>> >>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >>>> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>> see e.g: >>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>> s-and-society-stars >>>> and >>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>> >>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>> >>>> Her query is: >>>> >>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts >>>> of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group >>>> "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search >>>> includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>> >>>> With very best wishes. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Palaniappa at aol.com Fri Jan 19 18:58:26 2018 From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 18 12:58:26 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Manu, There are castes who have called themselves K?atriyas even though other castes do not recognize them as such. There have also been several rulers in many dynasties who performed Hira?yagarbha to become K?atriyas. Do they count? Regards, Palaniappan > On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:40 PM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Nagaraj Paturi, > > Yes, such cases are sought for. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > 2018-01-19 19:19 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi >: > If successful disguise is counted as successful impersonation or passing, there are many. > > Pandavas disguise themselves as Brahmins in Ekachakrapura and participate in svayamvara in that form only. > > Are you / Is she looking for such cases? > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY > wrote: > A highly interesting question, > > Best, > > Artur Karp (em.) > Katedra Azji Po?udniowej > Uniwersytet Warszawski > Warszawa > > 2018-01-19 17:56 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY >: > Dear Colleagues, > > I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. > > (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society (S.T.A.R.S.)" > see e.g: > http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archives-and-society-stars > and > http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-histoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html ) > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > Her query is: > > "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search includes such instances in contemporary literature" > > With very best wishes. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From shyamr at yorku.ca Fri Jan 19 22:13:26 2018 From: shyamr at yorku.ca (Shyam Ranganathan) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 18 17:13:26 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: <866C39C6-301F-4349-91CD-8CA61B354ED3@yorku.ca> Message-ID: On 19/01/2018 1:51 PM, Shyam Ranganathan wrote: > I cant see my email in the outbox so I am sending it again : this > question made me think of Karna who tried to fool Parasurama but as > Nagaraj Paturi?s comment reminded me of other instances in the > Mahabharata (as when the Pandavas are in exile and incognito). > > > Best wishes > > Shyam > > Shyam Ranganathan > York University > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 19, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY > > wrote: > >> Krishna, a Kshatriya of Yaadava dynasty passes for a gopaala until he >> returns to Mathura. >> >> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:10 AM, Manu Francis > > wrote: >> >> Dear Nagaraj Paturi, >> >> Yes, such cases are sought for. >> >> -- >> >> Emmanuel Francis >> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie >> du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >> >> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB >> 950, Universit?t Hamburg) >> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >> >> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >> >> >> 2018-01-19 19:19 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi >> >: >> >> If successful disguise is counted as successful impersonation >> or passing, there are many. >> >> Pandavas disguise themselves as Brahmins in Ekachakrapura and >> participate in svayamvara in that form only. >> >> Are you / Is she looking for such cases? >> >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY >> > > wrote: >> >> A highly interesting question, >> >> Best, >> >> Artur Karp (em.) >> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej >> Uniwersytet Warszawski >> Warszawa >> >> 2018-01-19 17:56 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY >> > >: >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? >> Headley. >> >> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio >> Archives and Society (S.T.A.R.S.)" >> see e.g: >> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archives-and-society-stars >> >> and >> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-histoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html >> ) >> >> >> Any help will be much appreciated. >> >> Her query is: >> >> "I am searching for references in Indian >> literature?and classical texts of instances of "caste >> impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group >> "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth >> group. My search includes such instances in >> contemporary literature" >> >> With very best wishes. >> >> -- >> >> Emmanuel Francis >> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et >> de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >> >> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript >> Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) >> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >> >> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info >> (messages >> to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change >> your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info >> (messages to >> the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your >> list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of??Liberal >> Education, >> (Pune, Maharashtra,?INDIA?) >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of??Liberal Education, >> (Pune, Maharashtra,?INDIA?) >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info >> (messages to the list's >> managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) -- ShyamRanganathan MA,MA, PhD Department of Philosophy York University, Toronto shyam-ranganathan.info /The Bloomsbury Research Handbook of Indian Ethics / /Pata?jali`s Yoga S?tras /?(Translation, Edition and Commentary) /Translating Evaluative Discourse: The Semantics of Thick and Thin Concepts / Full List, Publications -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 02:28:47 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 18 07:58:47 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When did we start getting ashamed of events in mythological narratives as if they were facts. This way, if we browse through worldwide myths, there can be no end to our getting ashamed. On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:33 AM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > his subjects all immolate themselves > > Clear. Extremely ashamed. > > But - the king? > > Artur > > > > 2018-01-19 19:31 GMT+01:00 Allen Thrasher : > >> There is a story in the Yogavasista about a Candala who becomes a king >> and is found ot, whereupon his subjects all immolate themselves. >> >> Allen >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY >> wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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Best wishes, Jonathan Peterson From rrocher at sas.upenn.edu Sat Jan 20 16:59:56 2018 From: rrocher at sas.upenn.edu (rrocher) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 18 11:59:56 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] St. Peterburgische Zeitung 1833 In-Reply-To: <824cd887-2f03-b532-4ed1-ec93a0c45264@sas.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <80b27c80-fc2e-8a70-bd18-0936520e0603@sas.upenn.edu> Dear Tatiana, Thank you so much for your help. I also found that No. 127 was dated 2 June and No. 234 was dated 1 Oct. So Nos. 219?223 should take us to September. Right? That would confirm my hypothesis that it was the first redaction of my document, but they sure came in rapid succession! Thanks again and best wishes, Rosane On 1/20/18 2:49 AM, tatiana.oranskaia wrote: > Dear Rosane, > > The 19 century Nos of the St.PZ are not online yet. The only reference > I could find is > that No 155 is dated 5 July. As it was a daily, approximate dates can > be calculated. > If you need more precision I can send an enquiry to the National > library. But it'll take > time to get a reply. > > Best > Tatiana > > > Zitat von rrocher via INDOLOGY : > >> Could a colleague who can access the St. Peterburgische Zeitung of >> 1833 let me know in which month or months Nos. 219?223 were >> published? I am facing three versions of the same basic document, in >> German, French, and English, all dated 1833, but with evidence of >> successive redaction. Divergences on one crucial point make it >> important to ascertain the order in which they were redacted. >> >> I would be most grateful, >> Rosane Rocher >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or unsubscribe) > > From lavanyavemsani at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 17:04:55 2018 From: lavanyavemsani at gmail.com (Lavanya Vemsani) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 18 12:04:55 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Diwali Message-ID: <0741C166-BE30-4417-B01B-B077DB2821AC@gmail.com> Hello All, Good Saturday Morning! Some food for thought about Diwali! The festival celebrated by Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, and Sikhs across the globe. Prof. Pankaj Jain's interview here: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Hindu-Holiday-Doesnt-Make-It-Onto-Coppell-ISD-Calendar-468856893.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2F9GBMEgfA Thank you. Lavanya Lavanya Vemsani Ph.D (History) Ph.D. (Religious Studies) Professor, Dept. of Social Sciences Shawnee State University Portsmouth OH 45662 Phone: 740-351-3233 Co-founder, American Academy of Indic Studies Editor-in-Chief American Journal of Indic Studies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 21:25:34 2018 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 18 15:25:34 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Dr. Francis, Joel Lee at Williams College in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in contemporary South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary precedents. I am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him directly, but I would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. Best, Tyler Williams University of Chicago On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. > > (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society > (S.T.A.R.S.)" > see e.g: > http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio- > archives-and-society-stars > and > http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une- > autre-histoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > Her query is: > > "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts of > instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group > "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search > includes such instances in contemporary literature" > > With very best wishes. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud > (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, > Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him directly, but I > would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. > > Best, > Tyler Williams > University of Chicago > > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >> >> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >> see e.g: >> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >> s-and-society-stars >> and >> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre- >> histoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >> >> Any help will be much appreciated. >> >> Her query is: >> >> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts >> of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group >> "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search >> includes such instances in contemporary literature" >> >> With very best wishes. >> >> -- >> >> Emmanuel Francis >> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >> Universit?t Hamburg) >> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects of Worship > in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, pp. 143-162. > New York: Routledge. > > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams > wrote: > >> Dear Dr. Francis, >> >> Joel Lee at Williams College >> in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in contemporary >> South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary precedents. I >> am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him directly, but I >> would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >> >> Best, >> Tyler Williams >> University of Chicago >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>> >>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >>> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>> see e.g: >>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>> s-and-society-stars >>> and >>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>> >>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>> >>> Her query is: >>> >>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts >>> of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group >>> "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search >>> includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>> >>> With very best wishes. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Emmanuel Francis >>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manufrancis at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 11:33:34 2018 From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 12:33:34 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Nagaraj Paturi, Yes, you are right. Novels are also part of the query. With very best wishes. -- Emmanuel Francis Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) http://ceias.ehess.fr/ http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : > The query was for > > "I am searching for *references in** Indian literature* and *classical > texts *of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or > a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My > search includes such instances in *contemporary literature*" > (highlighting mine) > > Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I > thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary > literary texts such as novels. Am I right? > > > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject is: >> >> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In Knut >> A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects of >> Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, pp. >> 143-162. New York: Routledge. >> >> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams > > wrote: >> >>> Dear Dr. Francis, >>> >>> Joel Lee at Williams College >>> in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in contemporary >>> South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary precedents. I >>> am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him directly, but I >>> would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >>> >>> Best, >>> Tyler Williams >>> University of Chicago >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>> >>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >>>> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>> see e.g: >>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>> s-and-society-stars >>>> and >>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>> >>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>> >>>> Her query is: >>>> >>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts >>>> of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group >>>> "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search >>>> includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>> >>>> With very best wishes. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Manu Francis wrote: > Dear Nagaraj Paturi, > > Yes, you are right. > Novels are also part of the query. > > With very best wishes. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud > (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, > Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : > >> The query was for >> >> "I am searching for *references in** Indian literature* and *classical >> texts *of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or >> a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >> search includes such instances in *contemporary literature*" >> (highlighting mine) >> >> Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I >> thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary >> literary texts such as novels. Am I right? >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject is: >>> >>> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In >>> Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects of >>> Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, pp. >>> 143-162. New York: Routledge. >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams < >>> tylerwwilliams at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Dr. Francis, >>>> >>>> Joel Lee at Williams College >>>> in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in contemporary >>>> South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary precedents. I >>>> am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him directly, but I >>>> would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Tyler Williams >>>> University of Chicago >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>>> >>>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >>>>> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>>> see e.g: >>>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>>> s-and-society-stars >>>>> and >>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>>> >>>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Her query is: >>>>> >>>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical >>>>> texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a >>>>> group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>>> search includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>>> >>>>> With very best wishes. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>>>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>>>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>>> or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Sun Jan 21 11:40:48 2018 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 12:40:48 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And - the cases of God showing himself to the believers in the body of a Chandala? Artur Karp 2018-01-21 12:33 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > Dear Nagaraj Paturi, > > Yes, you are right. > Novels are also part of the query. > > With very best wishes. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud > (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, > Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : > >> The query was for >> >> "I am searching for *references in** Indian literature* and *classical >> texts *of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or >> a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >> search includes such instances in *contemporary literature*" >> (highlighting mine) >> >> Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I >> thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary >> literary texts such as novels. Am I right? >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject is: >>> >>> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In >>> Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects of >>> Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, pp. >>> 143-162. New York: Routledge. >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams < >>> tylerwwilliams at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Dr. Francis, >>>> >>>> Joel Lee at Williams College >>>> in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in contemporary >>>> South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary precedents. I >>>> am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him directly, but I >>>> would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Tyler Williams >>>> University of Chicago >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>>> >>>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >>>>> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>>> see e.g: >>>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>>> s-and-society-stars >>>>> and >>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>>> >>>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Her query is: >>>>> >>>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical >>>>> texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a >>>>> group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>>> search includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>>> >>>>> With very best wishes. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>>>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>>>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>>> or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 11:47:02 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 17:17:02 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is no God in Hinduism. In any case this has nothing to do with caste passing under question here. On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Artur Karp wrote: > And - the cases of God showing himself to the believers in the body of a > Chandala? > > Artur Karp > > 2018-01-21 12:33 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info>: > >> Dear Nagaraj Paturi, >> >> Yes, you are right. >> Novels are also part of the query. >> >> With very best wishes. >> >> -- >> >> Emmanuel Francis >> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >> Universit?t Hamburg) >> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >> >> 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : >> >>> The query was for >>> >>> "I am searching for *references in** Indian literature* and *classical >>> texts *of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual >>> or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>> search includes such instances in *contemporary literature*" >>> (highlighting mine) >>> >>> Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I >>> thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary >>> literary texts such as novels. Am I right? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject is: >>>> >>>> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In >>>> Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects of >>>> Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, pp. >>>> 143-162. New York: Routledge. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams < >>>> tylerwwilliams at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Dr. Francis, >>>>> >>>>> Joel Lee at Williams >>>>> College in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in >>>>> contemporary South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary >>>>> precedents. I am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him >>>>> directly, but I would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Tyler Williams >>>>> University of Chicago >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>>> >>>>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>>>> >>>>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >>>>>> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>>>> see e.g: >>>>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>>>> s-and-society-stars >>>>>> and >>>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Her query is: >>>>>> >>>>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical >>>>>> texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a >>>>>> group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>>>> search includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>>>> >>>>>> With very best wishes. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du >>>>>> Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB >>>>>> 950, Universit?t Hamburg) >>>>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>> committee) >>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nagaraj Paturi >>> >>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>> >>> >>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>> >>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>> >>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>> >>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>> >>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 11:59:49 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 17:29:49 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In contemporary narrative literature including the narratives in Indian films, there is a formula: A person born into a caste considered as panchama (harijan /sc/ dalit in contemporary parlance) being brought up by a 'upper' caste (usually a Brahmin) social reformer to become a Vedic scholar or a brahmanical dancer/ musician (if the person brought up is a woman) and after getting acceptance of the society, in a twist of the narrative, the actual identity of the person getting exposed, the reformer getting ridiculed by his neighbourhood , the reformer arguing about the actual character being more significant than birth and the 'caste passing' person getting accepted by the neighbourhood. On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Manu Francis wrote: > Dear Nagaraj Paturi, > > Yes, you are right. > Novels are also part of the query. > > With very best wishes. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud > (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, > Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : > >> The query was for >> >> "I am searching for *references in** Indian literature* and *classical >> texts *of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or >> a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >> search includes such instances in *contemporary literature*" >> (highlighting mine) >> >> Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I >> thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary >> literary texts such as novels. Am I right? >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject is: >>> >>> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In >>> Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects of >>> Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, pp. >>> 143-162. New York: Routledge. >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams < >>> tylerwwilliams at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Dr. Francis, >>>> >>>> Joel Lee at Williams College >>>> in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in contemporary >>>> South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary precedents. I >>>> am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him directly, but I >>>> would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Tyler Williams >>>> University of Chicago >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>>> >>>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >>>>> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>>> see e.g: >>>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>>> s-and-society-stars >>>>> and >>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>>> >>>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Her query is: >>>>> >>>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical >>>>> texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a >>>>> group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>>> search includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>>> >>>>> With very best wishes. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>>>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>>>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>>> or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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URL: From hr at ivs.edu Sun Jan 21 14:40:55 2018 From: hr at ivs.edu (HR) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 06:40:55 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1516545662-6361480.97963304.fw0LEetG2001523@rs153.luxsci.com> There is the famous case in Maha-bharata and Bhagavata-purana where Arjuna disguises himself as sannyasi in order to woo Krsna?s sister Subhadra. > On Jan 21, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY wrote: > > In contemporary narrative literature including the narratives in Indian films, there is a formula: A person born into a caste considered as panchama (harijan /sc/ dalit in contemporary parlance) being brought up by a 'upper' caste (usually a Brahmin) social reformer to become a Vedic scholar or a brahmanical dancer/ musician (if the person brought up is a woman) and after getting acceptance of the society, in a twist of the narrative, the actual identity of the person getting exposed, the reformer getting ridiculed by his neighbourhood , the reformer arguing about the actual character being more significant than birth and the 'caste passing' person getting accepted by the neighbourhood. > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Manu Francis > wrote: > Dear Nagaraj Paturi, > > Yes, you are right. > Novels are also part of the query. > > With very best wishes. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi >: > The query was for > > "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search includes such instances in contemporary literature" (highlighting mine) > > Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary literary texts such as novels. Am I right? > > > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject is: > > 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., Objects of Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings, pp. 143-162. New York: Routledge. > > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams > wrote: > Dear Dr. Francis, > > Joel Lee at Williams College in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in contemporary South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary precedents. I am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him directly, but I would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. > > Best, > Tyler Williams > University of Chicago > > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. > > (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society (S.T.A.R.S.)" > see e.g: > http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archives-and-society-stars > and > http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-histoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html ) > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > Her query is: > > "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search includes such instances in contemporary literature" > > With very best wishes. > > -- > > Emmanuel Francis > Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) > http://ceias.ehess.fr/ > http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 > http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ > Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) > http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html > https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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wrote: > There is the famous case in Maha-bharata and Bhagavata-purana where Arjuna > disguises himself as sannyasi in order to woo Krsna?s sister Subhadra. > > > On Jan 21, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > In contemporary narrative literature including the narratives in Indian > films, there is a formula: A person born into a caste considered as > panchama (harijan /sc/ dalit in contemporary parlance) being brought up by > a 'upper' caste (usually a Brahmin) social reformer to become a Vedic > scholar or a brahmanical dancer/ musician (if the person brought up is a > woman) and after getting acceptance of the society, in a twist of the > narrative, the actual identity of the person getting exposed, the reformer > getting ridiculed by his neighbourhood , the reformer arguing about the > actual character being more significant than birth and the 'caste passing' > person getting accepted by the neighbourhood. > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Manu Francis > wrote: > >> Dear Nagaraj Paturi, >> >> Yes, you are right. >> Novels are also part of the query. >> >> With very best wishes. >> >> -- >> >> Emmanuel Francis >> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >> Universit?t Hamburg) >> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >> >> 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : >> >>> The query was for >>> >>> "I am searching for *references in** Indian literature* and *classical >>> texts *of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual >>> or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>> search includes such instances in *contemporary literature*" >>> (highlighting mine) >>> >>> Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I >>> thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary >>> literary texts such as novels. Am I right? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject is: >>>> >>>> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In >>>> Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects of >>>> Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, pp. >>>> 143-162. New York: Routledge. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams < >>>> tylerwwilliams at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Dr. Francis, >>>>> >>>>> Joel Lee at Williams >>>>> College in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in >>>>> contemporary South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary >>>>> precedents. I am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him >>>>> directly, but I would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Tyler Williams >>>>> University of Chicago >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>>> >>>>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>>>> >>>>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society >>>>>> (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>>>> see e.g: >>>>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>>>> s-and-society-stars >>>>>> and >>>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Her query is: >>>>>> >>>>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical >>>>>> texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a >>>>>> group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>>>> search includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>>>> >>>>>> With very best wishes. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du >>>>>> Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB >>>>>> 950, Universit?t Hamburg) >>>>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>> committee) >>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nagaraj Paturi >>> >>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>> >>> >>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>> >>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>> >>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>> >>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>> >>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hr at ivs.edu Sun Jan 21 14:44:33 2018 From: hr at ivs.edu (HR) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 06:44:33 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1516545902-6063980.16899489.fw0LEiXD0003031@rs153.luxsci.com> True, but wasn?t Arjuna treated with the respect shown to a sannyasi brahmana? > On Jan 21, 2018, at 6:42 AM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > > Sannyasi is not a caste. > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:10 PM, HR
> wrote: > There is the famous case in Maha-bharata and Bhagavata-purana where Arjuna disguises himself as sannyasi in order to woo Krsna?s sister Subhadra. > > >> On Jan 21, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> >> In contemporary narrative literature including the narratives in Indian films, there is a formula: A person born into a caste considered as panchama (harijan /sc/ dalit in contemporary parlance) being brought up by a 'upper' caste (usually a Brahmin) social reformer to become a Vedic scholar or a brahmanical dancer/ musician (if the person brought up is a woman) and after getting acceptance of the society, in a twist of the narrative, the actual identity of the person getting exposed, the reformer getting ridiculed by his neighbourhood , the reformer arguing about the actual character being more significant than birth and the 'caste passing' person getting accepted by the neighbourhood. >> >> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Manu Francis > wrote: >> Dear Nagaraj Paturi, >> >> Yes, you are right. >> Novels are also part of the query. >> >> With very best wishes. >> >> -- >> >> Emmanuel Francis >> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) >> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >> >> 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi >: >> The query was for >> >> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search includes such instances in contemporary literature" (highlighting mine) >> >> Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary literary texts such as novels. Am I right? >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject is: >> >> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., Objects of Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings, pp. 143-162. New York: Routledge. >> >> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams > wrote: >> Dear Dr. Francis, >> >> Joel Lee at Williams College in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in contemporary South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary precedents. I am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him directly, but I would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >> >> Best, >> Tyler Williams >> University of Chicago >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY > wrote: >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >> >> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and Society (S.T.A.R.S.)" >> see e.g: >> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archives-and-society-stars >> and >> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-histoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html ) >> >> Any help will be much appreciated. >> >> Her query is: >> >> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My search includes such instances in contemporary literature" >> >> With very best wishes. >> >> -- >> >> Emmanuel Francis >> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, Universit?t Hamburg) >> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Allen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY wrote: ______________________________ _________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology. info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 14:54:31 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 20:24:31 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: <1795823089.1941898.1516546137194@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Did all of us receive the original message by Dr Allen Thrasher to which Prof. Artur Karp was replying asking about the king? On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Allen Thrasher via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I can't remember. I was citing from memory. I'll see if i can track it > down. > Allen > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Artur Karp > wrote: > > his subjects all immolate themselves > > Clear. Extremely ashamed. > > But - the king? > > Artur > > > > 2018-01-19 19:31 GMT+01:00 Allen Thrasher : > > There is a story in the Yogavasista about a Candala who becomes a king and > is found ot, whereupon his subjects all immolate themselves. > > Allen > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY > wrote: > ______________________________ _________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology. info > (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de Sun Jan 21 15:41:05 2018 From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 16:41:05 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: <1795823089.1941898.1516546137194@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20180121164105.Horde.7GgGk2boIlVdPJ0tuGZkmDZ@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> > There is a story in the Yogavasista about a Candala who becomes a > king and is found ot, whereupon his subjects all immolate themselves. > I can't remember. ?I was citing from memory. ?I'll see if i can > track it down. It is the story of the Brahmin G?dhi which is found in: Mok?op?ya V.44-49 -- Edition: Mok?op?ya. Das F?nfte Buch. Upa??ntiprakara?a. Kritische Edition von Susanne Krause-Stinner und Peter Stephan. (Anonymus Casmiriensis: Mok?op?ya. Historisch-kritische Gesamtausgabe. Herausgegeben unter der Leitung von Walter Slaje. Textedition. Teil 4). [Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz. Ver?ffentlichungen der Indologischen Kommission]. Wiesbaden 2013, pp. 171-194. -- German translation: Der Weg zur Befreiung. Das F?nfte Buch. Das Buch ?ber das Zurruhekommen. ?bersetzung von Roland Steiner. (Anonymus Casmiriensis: Mok?op?ya. Historisch-kritische Gesamtausgabe. Herausgegeben unter der Leitung von Walter Slaje. ?bersetzung. Teil 4). [Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz. Ver?ffentlichungen der Indologischen Kommission]. Wiesbaden 2015, pp. 256-297. https://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/title_400.ahtml Yogav?si??ha V.44-49 -- Edition: The Yogav?si??ha of V?lm?ki. With the commentary V?si??hamah?r?m?ya?at?tparyaprak??a. Edited by W?sudev Laxma? ??str? Pa???kar. Third Edition. Revised and re-edited by N?r?ya? R?m ?ch?rya. With the co-operation of ??str?ma??al. Part I. Bombay 1937, pp. 646-661. -- French translation: Sept r?cits initiatiques tir?s du Yoga-Vasi??ha. Traduits du sanskrit avec introduction et notes par Michel Hulin. Paris 1987, pp.101-120. -- Dr. Roland Steiner Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Seminar f?r Indologie Emil-Abderhalden-Str. 9 D-06099 Halle (Saale) Tel.: +49-345-55-23656 Fax: +49-345-55-27211 URL: http://www.indologie.uni-halle.de E-Mail: roland.steiner at indologie.uni-halle.de https://halle.academia.edu/RolandSteiner From karp at uw.edu.pl Sun Jan 21 17:35:07 2018 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 18:35:07 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > There is no God in Hinduism. Thank you for this bit of instruction. > In any case this has nothing to do with caste passing under question here. ?It has. Plenty. Disguises in both directions. 2018-01-21 12:47 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : > There is no God in Hinduism. > > In any case this has nothing to do with caste passing under question here. > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Artur Karp wrote: > >> And - the cases of God showing himself to the believers in the body of a >> Chandala? >> >> Artur Karp >> >> 2018-01-21 12:33 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info>: >> >>> Dear Nagaraj Paturi, >>> >>> Yes, you are right. >>> Novels are also part of the query. >>> >>> With very best wishes. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Emmanuel Francis >>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>> >>> 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : >>> >>>> The query was for >>>> >>>> "I am searching for *references in** Indian literature* and *classical >>>> texts *of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual >>>> or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>> search includes such instances in *contemporary literature*" >>>> (highlighting mine) >>>> >>>> Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I >>>> thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary >>>> literary texts such as novels. Am I right? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject >>>>> is: >>>>> >>>>> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In >>>>> Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects >>>>> of Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, >>>>> pp. 143-162. New York: Routledge. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams < >>>>> tylerwwilliams at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Dr. Francis, >>>>>> >>>>>> Joel Lee at Williams >>>>>> College in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in >>>>>> contemporary South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary >>>>>> precedents. I am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him >>>>>> directly, but I would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Tyler Williams >>>>>> University of Chicago >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and >>>>>>> Society (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>>>>> see e.g: >>>>>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>>>>> s-and-society-stars >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>>>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Her query is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical >>>>>>> texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a >>>>>>> group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>>>>> search includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With very best wishes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>>>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du >>>>>>> Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>>>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>>>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB >>>>>>> 950, Universit?t Hamburg) >>>>>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>>>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>>> committee) >>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>>> or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nagaraj Paturi >>>> >>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>>> >>>> >>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>>> >>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>>> >>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>>> >>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>>> >>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 18:41:06 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 18 00:11:06 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > And - the cases of God showing himself to the believers in the body of a Chandala? --- Using the word 'God' as a translation for certain words/concepts of Hinduism is not unusual and even a highly widespread tendency; so it is not particularly pointed at your usage when I said there is no God in 'Hinduism'. Translating back, this word could be somethinglike an Upanishadic paramaatman/bhagavaan/brmhan or a puraanic Vishnu /Shiva. Though I am not able to connect which story this could be, this is a great story. Chandaala literally the one who is a dear devil professional handling activities which others can't dear to even imagine taking up, activities related to death, executing death sentences etc., As such, Chandaala being viewed as, say, Shiva himself makes a lot of sense. If the reference is to Maneeshaapanchakam incident of Shankara, then the hagiography Shankaravijayam is depicting this as the disguise Shiva takes to bring Shankara's own theory into his anubhooti. Shiva passing for Chandaala is not person of one caste passing for one of another caste. It is the case of a super-caste entity or an entity beyond caste passing for a person of a caste treated badly by the hierarchically oriented people of caste system. If an entity beyond caste passing for a person of a certain caste is caste passing, yes, this is a case of caste passing only. On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 11:05 PM, Artur Karp wrote: > > There is no God in Hinduism. > > Thank you for this bit of instruction. > > > In any case this has nothing to do with caste passing under question > here. > ?It has. Plenty. Disguises in both directions. > > > 2018-01-21 12:47 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : > >> There is no God in Hinduism. >> >> In any case this has nothing to do with caste passing under question here. >> >> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Artur Karp wrote: >> >>> And - the cases of God showing himself to the believers in the body of a >>> Chandala? >>> >>> Artur Karp >>> >>> 2018-01-21 12:33 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info>: >>> >>>> Dear Nagaraj Paturi, >>>> >>>> Yes, you are right. >>>> Novels are also part of the query. >>>> >>>> With very best wishes. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>> >>>> 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : >>>> >>>>> The query was for >>>>> >>>>> "I am searching for *references in** Indian literature* and *classical >>>>> texts *of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual >>>>> or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>>> search includes such instances in *contemporary literature*" >>>>> (highlighting mine) >>>>> >>>>> Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , I >>>>> thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means contemporary >>>>> literary texts such as novels. Am I right? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject >>>>>> is: >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In >>>>>> Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects >>>>>> of Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, >>>>>> pp. 143-162. New York: Routledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams < >>>>>> tylerwwilliams at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Dr. Francis, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joel Lee at Williams >>>>>>> College in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in >>>>>>> contemporary South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary >>>>>>> precedents. I am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him >>>>>>> directly, but I would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Tyler Williams >>>>>>> University of Chicago >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and >>>>>>>> Society (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>>>>>> see e.g: >>>>>>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>>>>>> s-and-society-stars >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>>>>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Her query is: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical >>>>>>>> texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a >>>>>>>> group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>>>>>> search includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With very best wishes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>>>>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du >>>>>>>> Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>>>>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>>>>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB >>>>>>>> 950, Universit?t Hamburg) >>>>>>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>>>>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>>>> committee) >>>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>> committee) >>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Nagaraj Paturi >>>>> >>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>>>> >>>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>>>> >>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>>>> >>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>>>> >>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. 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URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 18:42:44 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 18 00:12:44 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] "Caste passing" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: praamaadikam: Chandaala literally the one who is a dare devil professional not Chandaala literally the one who is a dear devil professional On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:11 AM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > > And - the cases of God showing himself to the believers in the body of > a Chandala? > > --- Using the word 'God' as a translation for certain words/concepts of > Hinduism is not unusual and even a highly widespread tendency; so it is not > particularly pointed at your usage when I said there is no God in > 'Hinduism'. Translating back, this word could be somethinglike an > Upanishadic paramaatman/bhagavaan/brmhan or a puraanic Vishnu /Shiva. > Though I am not able to connect which story this could be, this is a great > story. Chandaala literally the one who is a dear devil professional > handling activities which others can't dear to even imagine taking up, > activities related to death, executing death sentences etc., As such, > Chandaala being viewed as, say, Shiva himself makes a lot of sense. > > If the reference is to Maneeshaapanchakam incident of Shankara, then the > hagiography Shankaravijayam is depicting this as the disguise Shiva takes > to bring Shankara's own theory into his anubhooti. > > Shiva passing for Chandaala is not person of one caste passing for one of > another caste. It is the case of a super-caste entity or an entity beyond > caste passing for a person of a caste treated badly by the hierarchically > oriented people of caste system. > > If an entity beyond caste passing for a person of a certain caste is caste > passing, yes, this is a case of caste passing only. > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 11:05 PM, Artur Karp wrote: > >> > There is no God in Hinduism. >> >> Thank you for this bit of instruction. >> >> > In any case this has nothing to do with caste passing under question >> here. >> ?It has. Plenty. Disguises in both directions. >> >> >> 2018-01-21 12:47 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : >> >>> There is no God in Hinduism. >>> >>> In any case this has nothing to do with caste passing under question >>> here. >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Artur Karp wrote: >>> >>>> And - the cases of God showing himself to the believers in the body of >>>> a Chandala? >>>> >>>> Artur Karp >>>> >>>> 2018-01-21 12:33 GMT+01:00 Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info>: >>>> >>>>> Dear Nagaraj Paturi, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, you are right. >>>>> Novels are also part of the query. >>>>> >>>>> With very best wishes. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud >>>>> (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950, >>>>> Universit?t Hamburg) >>>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>>> >>>>> 2018-01-21 10:16 GMT+01:00 Nagaraj Paturi : >>>>> >>>>>> The query was for >>>>>> >>>>>> "I am searching for *references in** Indian literature* and *classical >>>>>> texts *of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an >>>>>> individual or a group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth >>>>>> group. My search includes such instances in *contemporary literature*" >>>>>> (highlighting mine) >>>>>> >>>>>> Since the first sentence has Indian literature and classical texts , >>>>>> I thought 'contemporary literature' in the second sentence means >>>>>> contemporary literary texts such as novels. Am I right? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Addendum: one of his publications that bears directly on the subject >>>>>>> is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014. ?Lal Beg Underground: the Passing of an ?Untouchable? God.? In >>>>>>> Knut A. Jacobsen, Mikael Aktor and Kristina Myrvold, eds., *Objects >>>>>>> of Worship in South Asian Religions: Forms, Practices, and Meanings*, >>>>>>> pp. 143-162. New York: Routledge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Tyler Williams < >>>>>>> tylerwwilliams at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Dr. Francis, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joel Lee at Williams >>>>>>>> College in the US has written on the phenomenon of caste 'passing' in >>>>>>>> contemporary South Asia and is also interested in historical and literary >>>>>>>> precedents. I am sure that it would be fine if Dr. Headley contacted him >>>>>>>> directly, but I would also be happy to introduce them if she prefers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Tyler Williams >>>>>>>> University of Chicago >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Manu Francis via INDOLOGY < >>>>>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I forward below a query on behalf my Colleague Zo? Headley. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (on her current project "Studies in Tamil Studio Archives and >>>>>>>>> Society (S.T.A.R.S.)" >>>>>>>>> see e.g: >>>>>>>>> http://www.ifpindia.org/content/studies-tamil-studio-archive >>>>>>>>> s-and-society-stars >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/video/2018/01/19/une-autre-hi >>>>>>>>> stoire-de-l-inde-ecrite-par-ses-photos_5244050_1650684.html) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any help will be much appreciated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Her query is: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "I am searching for references in Indian literature and classical >>>>>>>>> texts of instances of "caste impersonation", i.e. when an individual or a >>>>>>>>> group "passes" as a caste which is not their original birth group. My >>>>>>>>> search includes such instances in contemporary literature" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With very best wishes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Emmanuel Francis >>>>>>>>> Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du >>>>>>>>> Sud (UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris) >>>>>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/ >>>>>>>>> http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725 >>>>>>>>> http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/ >>>>>>>>> Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB >>>>>>>>> 950, Universit?t Hamburg) >>>>>>>>> http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html >>>>>>>>> https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's >>>>>>>>> managing committee) >>>>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>>>> committee) >>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>>>> options or unsubscribe) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Nagaraj Paturi >>>>>> >>>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>>>>> >>>>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>>>>> >>>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>>>>> >>>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>>>>> >>>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>>> or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nagaraj Paturi >>> >>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>> >>> >>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>> >>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>> >>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>> >>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>> >>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bradley.Clough at mso.umt.edu Sun Jan 21 22:11:34 2018 From: Bradley.Clough at mso.umt.edu (Clough, Bradley) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 18 22:11:34 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] CFP: South Asian Studies Asso (Claremont McKenna College 3/23-25) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <716080D9-C064-486D-A813-48255B072CDE@mso.umt.edu> Dear Colleagues, > > I write to draw your attention to the 12th Annual Conference of the South Asian Studies Association, to be held at Claremont McKenna College (30 miles east of Los Angeles) from March-23-25, 2018. > > We have extended the deadline for the Call for Papers until February 16. The conference is great opportunity to present and share your work. We especially encourage Ph.D candidates and other graduate students to submit paper proposals! > > If you have any questions, please don?t hesitate to contact me < bradley.clough at mso.umt.edu > or Professor Vandana Asthana < vasthana at ewu.edu > > > For more information please go to: > > http://sasaonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/SASA_2018_Call-for-Papers-2-final.pdf > > > Dr. Bradley S. Clough > Global Humanities and Religions > LA 101 > The University of Montana > 32 Campus Drive > Missoula, MT 59812 > > bradley.clough at mso.umt.edu > Phone: 406-243-2837 > Fax: 406-243-4076 > > > From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com Mon Jan 22 05:05:23 2018 From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 18 05:05:23 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Maha Bodhi Society uposathagara/sima In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Dhammadinna, Could this be relevant? Singh, Upinder. 2010. ?Exile and Return: The Reinvention of Buddhism and Buddhist Sites in Modern India.? South Asian Studies 26 (2):193?217. https://doi.org/10.1080/02666030.2010.514744. I am trying to attach the pdf (2.8 MB), hope it comes through. Best wishes, Arlo Griffiths EFEO ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY on behalf of bhikkhuni Dhammadinna via INDOLOGY Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:01 PM To: Indology Subject: [INDOLOGY] Maha Bodhi Society uposathagara/sima Dear Friends and Colleagues, does anyone have access to archival information or secondary sources on the history of the establishment, inauguration and historical use of the uposathagara/sima of the Sarnath centre of the Maha Bodhi Society? Images (including contemporary) would also be most welcome. With thanks in advance and all best wishes, Dhammadinna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Other publications concerned with Anag?rika Dharmap?la inheritance (broadly understood) do not seem to include such details, but I haven?t checked the recent The Lion?s Roar, Anagarika Dharmapala and the Making of Modern Buddhism by Sarath Amunugama (Vijitha Yapa Publications, Sri Lanka, 2016). Based on eye-witness accounts, there appears to have been an unfinished uposathag?ra/s?m? in the early seventies and an actual uposathag?ra/s?m? in existence in the nineties, but the details of the construction are not known to me. I hope the archive of the Maha Bodhi Society might have some relevant document, but have not been able to receive a response from them so far. Many thanks again and best wishes, Dhammadinn? From: Arlo Griffiths [mailto:arlogriffiths at hotmail.com] Sent: 22 January 2018 13:05 To: bhikkhuni Dhammadinna ; INDOLOGY Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Maha Bodhi Society uposathagara/sima Dear Dhammadinna, Could this be relevant? 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For students of other departments or universities: The count of credit points must be fixed individually with the respective department or home university. A continuation course will be offered as part of the Gundert Chair for Malayalam. Best regards, Heike Oberlin -------------------- Prof. Dr. Heike Oberlin Apl. Professorin der Indologie Eberhard-Karls-Universit?t T?bingen Asien-Orient-Institut (AOI) ? Abt. Indologie Keplerstr. 2 (Raum 139) ? 72074 T?bingen Telefon 07071 29-74005 ? Mobil 0176 20030066 heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/aoi/indologie/mitarbeiter/heike-oberlin-moser.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Malayalam_2018.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 197908 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk Wed Jan 24 08:14:50 2018 From: toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk (Toke Lindegaard Knudsen) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 18 08:14:50 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Jyoti=E1=B8=A5=C5=9B=C4=81stra_Seminar_at_the_University_of_Copenhagen,_April_2018?= Message-ID: Dr. Krishnamurthi Ramasubramanian from the Department of Humanities & Social Sciences, Indian Institute of Technology Bombay (IITB), Mumbai, India will spend three months as Visiting Professor at the Centre for the Study of Indian Science (CSIS), University of Copenhagen, starting in late April 2018. As part of Dr. Ramasubramanian?s visit, CSIS will host a workshop, ?Reading Jyoti???stra Texts,? which will run from Monday, April 23, 2018 to Friday, April 27, 2018. The workshop is open to anyone interested in reading and learning about Jyoti???stra texts, that is, texts on the astral sciences and divination. No background in Jyoti???stra is required, but a good understanding of Sanskrit is necessary to follow the discussion. During the workshop, Dr. Ramasubramanian will discuss excerpts from three texts: (1) The Siddh?nta?ekhara of ?r?dhara, an astronomical treatise from the 11th century CE. (2) The Kara?apaddhati of Putumana Somay?jin, an astronomical text from the 18th century CE. (3) The Candr?rki of Dinakara, a text of solar and lunar tables from the 16th century CE. Anybody interested in the subject is welcome to attend the workshop. For more information, please contact Professor Kenneth G. Zysk, Head of CSIS, at zysk at hum.ku.dk, Dr. Toke Lindegaard Knudsen at toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk, or visit the website of CSIS at . From karl-stephan.bouthillette.1 at ulaval.ca Wed Jan 24 20:56:06 2018 From: karl-stephan.bouthillette.1 at ulaval.ca (Karl-Stephan Bouthillette) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 18 20:56:06 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Rationality and epistemology in Advaita-Vedaanta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1516827364197.59519@ulaval.ca> Dear colleagues, Recently, I had written on this forum to request your help to find relevant publications on the historical developments of rationality and epistemology in Jainism. Many of you kindly replied to me in private and the help provided was much appreciated. I am thankful for that. I would like to repeat the same process, but now with Advaita-Vedaanta. I am particularly seeking information about: 1. the role and function of dialectic and epistemology within Sankara's soteriology or within the greater Advaita-Vedaanta (10th to 14th centuries...) 2. Whatever information we might have on the debate environment in which the tradition contributed (public or written) I already compiled a list of publications of my own, but I would be most happy to hear from your insights on the mather, on what you might feel is outdated or perhaps new approaches which are worth looking at, so as not to miss anything relevant. Any suggestions on any of these two point would be greatly appreciated. I thank you in advance for your time and efforts. Most kindly, Karl-Stephan Bouthillette Doctoral Fellow Institute for Indology and Tibetology Department of Asian Studies Ludwig-Maximilians-University Munich LinKedIn: https://de.linkedin.com/pub/karl-stephan-bouthillette/38/a99/36b Academia.edu: https://lmu-munich.academia.edu/KarlStephanBouthillette From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com Thu Jan 25 05:21:51 2018 From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 18 05:21:51 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Rationality and epistemology in Advaita-Vedaanta Message-ID: <1516857190.S.83968.autosave.drafts.1516857711.4378@webmail.rediffmail.com> Shankar's Adwaitya Vedanta ,Specially the various commentaries by Bachaspati Misra etc.lays emphasis on dialectics, in the form of Snake Rope or Nacre Silver illusion, where we begin with  falsity due to ignorance, and end up with the ultimate REALISATION or Knowledge. MaddhyaCharya's SarvaDarshanSamgraha has details on this.   Alakendu Das Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Karl-Stephan Bouthillette via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 02:26:54 GMT+0530 To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Rationality and epistemology in Advaita-Vedaanta Dear colleagues, Recently, I had written on this forum to request your help to find relevant publications on the historical developments of rationality and epistemology in Jainism. Many of you kindly replied to me in private and the help provided was much appreciated. I am thankful for that. I would like to repeat the same process, but now with Advaita-Vedaanta. I am particularly seeking information about: 1. the role and function of dialectic and epistemology within Sankara's soteriology or within the greater Advaita-Vedaanta (10th to 14th centuries...) 2. Whatever information we might have on the debate environment in which the tradition contributed (public or written) I already compiled a list of publications of my own, but I would be most happy to hear from your insights on the mather, on what you might feel is outdated or perhaps new approaches which are worth looking at, so as not to miss anything relevant. Any suggestions on any of these two point would be greatly appreciated. I thank you in advance for your time and efforts. Most kindly, Karl-Stephan Bouthillette Doctoral Fellow Institute for Indology and Tibetology Department of Asian Studies Ludwig-Maximilians-University Munich LinKedIn: https://de.linkedin.com/pub/karl-stephan-bouthillette/38/a99/36b Academia.edu: https://lmu-munich.academia.edu/KarlStephanBouthillette _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 15:54:16 2018 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 18 08:54:16 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Catalogue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Exciting news from Prof. S. R. Sarma, forwarded here at his request.? ?? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: S.R. Sarma Date: 24 January 2018 at 17:07 Subject: Catalogue I am happy to announce the completion of the online catalogue. This final version (http://srsarma.in/catalogue.php) supersedes all the earlier versions. In some 4300 pages, it contains 600 entries, introductory essays on each category of instruments and long extracts from two important Sanskrit texts, namely Mahendra S?ri?s *Yantrar**?**ja *and Padman?bha?s *Dhruvabhram**?**dhikra, *along with English translation. I wish to thank most sincerely all the museums and the private collectors who permitted me to study the instruments in their possession and the many friends and well-wishers across the globe who helped in various ways in the preparation of this catalogue. S. R. Sarma H?henstrasse 28 { 40227 D?sseldorf { Germany { www.srsarma.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Uniwersytet Warszawski Polska 2018-01-26 11:29 GMT+01:00 M?rcis Gas?ns via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > Namaste, > > Soon there will be no sad news from Russia - nobody will be left to tell > them because the last Sanskrit scholar in Moscow died. The day before > yesterday in Moscow Vera Kochergina at age 93 died at home at 3 a.m. and > was cremated today. She taught Sanskrit at the Moscow State University > since 1956 till 2014, for almost 60 years. > > She > learned Sanskrit from Peterson in Moscow. There is a Western-parampara that > starts with Bopp and continues with Lenz, Petrov, Fortunatoff, Peterson > Kochergina, Likhushina and ends on me. > Just in last four months, we have lost three biggest and most well-known > Russian Sanskrit scholars: Ivanov, Zaliznyak, and Kochergina > . > She printed a trilogy: > 1) Sanskrit Manual 1956; 1994, 1998, 2001, 2004, 2015 > 2) Sanskrit-Russian Dictionary 1978, 1987, 1996, 2005, 2007 > 3) Sanskrit Textbook 2009 > The Sanskrit Manual is a bestseller for learning Sanskrit in Russia and > V.A. Kochergina died just a week before the 6th, revised ed. of 2018 is > planned to come out. She was the incarnation of Saraswati in Moscow for > generations of students of linguistics. > The Sanskrit-Russian Dictionary contains 29 000 words and is based mainly > on XIX century Sanskrit-German dictionaries. It is the most well known > Sanskrit Dictionary in Russia (there are three more), although it is known, > that only an 84 000 word dictionary could serve all the purposes of a > translator from Sanskrit (like DICCIONARI SANSCRIT-CATALA, OSCAR PUJOL). > The Sanskrit Textbook remains almost unknown, because of many type errors > and small, unclear Devanagari print. Nonetheless, I'm not aware of many > other cases when the same person has shown his skills in all three genres. > She was a scholar, writing mainly on samasas in Sanskrit, Historical > linguistics, History of Linguistics and a teacher. > > I've got only one photo of her: http://samskrtam.ru/kochergina/ > Full bibliography: https://istina.msu.ru/profile/kocherginaVA/ > > Please let me know if there is a printed journal on Sanskrit where I > could print my Obituary. > > PhD. M?rcis Gas?ns, > Krasnodar, Russia > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arlogriffiths at hotmail.com Fri Jan 26 16:59:06 2018 From: arlogriffiths at hotmail.com (Arlo Griffiths) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 18 16:59:06 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Przyluski,_Le_concile_de_R=C4=81jag=E1=B9=9Bha?= Message-ID: Dear colleagues, A question on behalf of Christian Lammerts: Does anyone happen to have a sharable pdf of the following? Przyluski, J., Le concile de R?jag?ha: Introduction ? l'histoire des canons et des sectes bouddhiques, Paris, Paul Geuthner, 1926. Thank you, Arlo Griffiths -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 16:11:57 2018 From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 18 21:41:57 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Deadline Approaching: Dhvani Workshop, New Delhi (March 4-8, 2018) Message-ID: Dhvani Workshop, New Delhi March 4-8, 2018 Organized by The Abhyas Trust, New Delhi The Abhyas Trust invites applications for a week-long Workshop on the Dhvani Theory from March 4-8, 2018 in New Delhi. The workshop will commence with a public lecture by Prof C Rajendran, titled Resonance Beyond: The Aesthetics of Dhvani, at the Gulmohar Hall, India Habitat Centre, New Delhi, on 3rd March 2018, at 7 p.m. About the Workshop This workshop will principally include a close textual reading of selections from the Dhvany?loka of ?nandavardhana?the celebrated work on Indian literary theory?together with the Locana commentary of Abhinavagupta. The Dhvany?loka deals with the entire gamut of signification in poetic language, arguing that great literature always communicates through suggestion (dhvani). Another salient feature of the work is that it offers a broad-based aesthetic theory relevant in other art forms like music, drama and painting. The workshop will focus on select passages of the text and explain its sense in English putting ?nandavardhana?s work in proper perspective. The aim of the workshop is to familiarize the participants with core themes in the text of the Dhvany?loka so that the necessary theoretical background could be created to explore its aesthetic dimensions, which could broaden their horizons of thought and enhance their artistic sensibilities as creative artists and connoisseurs of art. Deadline for Application: Tuesday 30 January, 2018 Program and Faculty Professor C. Rajendran (University of Calicut) Calicut will be the principal instructor. We are also expecting a few other experts of Indian aesthetics to join us. The morning and afternoon sessions will include the readings of the text in Sanskrit followed by discussions and special lectures in the evening by various experts in the field of Indian aesthetics like Prof Parul Dave Mukerji (Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi), Prof Milind Wakankar (Indian Institute of Technology-Delhi), Dr Malcolm Keating (Yale-NUS College in Singapore). The seminar will be held in English and readings will be circulated in advance. The workshop will be preceded by a special lecture by Prof C. Rajendran on the topic Resonances Beyond: The Aesthetics of Dhvani on 3rd March 2018 to set the workshop in motion. A special performance will also be organized during the workshop. Confirmed Scholar Participants Prof. Parul Dave Mukerji, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Dr. Mrinal Kaul, Manipal Centre for Philosophy and Humanities, Manipal, Karnataka Dr. Malcolm Keating, Yale-NUS College in Singapore Prof. Milind Wakankar, Indian Institute of Technology, New Delhi Selection Criteria Though a rudimentary knowledge of the Sanskrit language on part of the participants would definitely help, the workshop does not presuppose any theoretical background of textual scholarship. We seek interested research students and scholars from across India and abroad. The selection will be made based on the strength of the application. We cannot accept more than 25 participants and the priority will be given to the applications from research scholars in disciplines or with experience in Sanskrit, Philosophy, Aesthetics, Yoga, Performing Arts, Religion and Literature. There will be a participation fee for all participants. Applicants will be informed about the decision of selection after the deadline of application. Location and Accommodations The event will be held at Studio Abhyas, 112 Anand Lok (basement), New Delhi. Centrally located in South Delhi, the studio is close to all the major cultural venues of the capital and easily accessible; it is also close to the Metro line. A registration fee will be charged that includes a working lunch, tea/coffee with snacks for the five days of the workshop. Travel cost will not be reimbursed. Unfortunately, we are not in a position to offer accomodation. Registration Fees Registration is mandatory for attending the workshop. No participation without due registration will be allowed. Regular Participants: Rs. 4000 Student Participants: Rs. 3000 Application Information Applications should include the following, preferably sent as PDFs: 1. Description of research interests and their relevance to the topic of the workshop (max. 300 words) 2. Brief Curriculum Vitae / resume highlighting relevant skills, experience and training. Applications should be sent to: Mr Navtej Johar (Convenor-Workshop on the Dhvani Theory) Studio Abhyas F 27 Green Park, New Delhi 110016 email: Tel +91-981-888-2918 For more information please contact Studio Abhyas www.abhyastrust.org OR Dr Mrinal Kaul Manipal Centre for Philosophy and Humanities mrinal.kaul at manipal.edu ------ Mrinal Kaul, Ph.D. Assistant Professor - Manipal Centre for Philosophy and Humanities (MCPH) Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS) Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex Alevoor Road, Manipal 576 104 Karnataka, INDIA Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567 https://iuo.academia.edu/MrinalKaul email: mrinal.kaul at manipal.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Allen, University of Virginia Dan Lusthaus, Harvard University ---------------------------------------- Call for Papers: We invite papers on the following topics: Yoga and Bodily Disciplines in India and China: We are taking the term ?yoga? in a broad sense, to include bodily disciplines, hygienic regimens, inner alchemy, breathing techniques, body maps, pursuit of physical immortality, etc. Approaches can be historical, descriptive, theoretical, etc. The goal is to begin an informed exchanged of information between scholars working on Indian yogic traditions and those working on comparable practices in China. Comparative proposals are welcome, as are proposals focusing on a single work, lineage, set of techniques, etc. from either India or China. Commentarial Techniques: As a continuation of last year's session on ?The Art of Commentary,? we also invite submissions on commentarial techniques as found in India and/or China. How do commentators perform what they wish to accomplish? Comparative proposals are welcome, as are proposals focusing on a single commentary or set of commentaries from either India or China. Please note that individual paper proposals are preferred to full session proposals. Proposals should be submitted through AAR?s PAPERS system (https://papers.aarweb.org ). Venue: American Academy of Religion, 2018 Annual Meeting, Denver, November 17-20. Deadline: Paper proposals are due by 5pm EST on Thursday, March 1. Questions? Contact either of the co-chairs: Dan Lusthaus > Michael S. Allen > About the Unit: The ?Indian and Chinese Religions Compared? unit of the American Academy of Religion addresses two significant gaps in current scholarship on Chinese and Indian religious traditions. The first gap is in historical scholarship. India and China have been the two mother cultures of South Asia and East Asia. Historically, the two were connected through the transmission and transformation of Buddhism from India to China. This remarkably fruitful incorporation and assimilation of a foreign system of thought and cultural practice into another well-established civilization is one of the first of its kind in the human history of cross-cultural exchanges, especially at such a magnitude. Unfortunately, there has been inadequate scholarly attention paid to how Indian Buddhism ? and its central Asian variants ? introduced new issues and imaginations to the Chinese people and how the Chinese managed to appropriate the alien tradition into their own intellectual milieu, hence deeply enriching and reshaping indigenous Chinese culture. Second, we also seek to redirect some of the attention of the comparative study of religion and philosophy away from the default Western-centered approach. India and China are profoundly important civilizations, both historically and contemporarily. Despite the historical connection of Buddhism, the differences in their cultural products ? whether religious, linguistic, philosophical, artistic, or material ? are so striking that comparing them would highlight the true richness, plurality, and diversity of human creativity and cultural productivity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 02:15:55 2018 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 18 19:15:55 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Watermarks on Manuscript Paper In-Reply-To: <342521E0-54F0-49B2-85B1-E8A230BF3598@mail.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Dear Jonathan, the big divide is between hand-made paper and machine-made paper. Hand-made never has a water mark. Machine-made quite often does. Also, MM has chain- and laid-lines, regular parallel lines that you can see quite easily if you hold the paper up to the light. Also, MM paper rolls, or folds, more easily in one direction than at right angles to that direction (because of the difference between chain- and laid- grain); HM paper bends the same in all directions. There do exists indexes of watermarks, but I'm afraid I don't recall the details now. I kept track of watermarks when I was cataloguing the Wellcome Library Sanskrit collection in ythe 80s. If you get hold of my "Handlists" and do a keyword search, you'll find them. I didn't make an index at the back of the book, though. For example, in Handlist I (1985), serial number 672 (p. 165) is watermarked "Brittania". #683 is "Dorling & Co. London", #698 is "Conqueror, London", #774 is "Fine Foolscap Balmukand Ramji Das", etc. Best, Dominik ? -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk ?,? Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity ?,? Department of History and Classics ?,? University of Alberta, Canada ?.? South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca? ?? On 17 January 2018 at 10:19, Jonathan Peterson via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all; > > I?m curious about the use of watermarks on manuscript paper. I recently > came across the same watermark across a few Sanskrit manuscripts. The mss > seem to be fairly modern (perhaps early 19th century?), but they raised a > few questions: 1) how pervasive were watermarks for paper manufacturers in > South Asia? 2) about when do we start seeing them? 3) I presume them to be > proprietary to particular paper makers. If they are, are there any > collections or indexes of various marks for establishing the provenance of > a particular ms? > > Many thanks, > Jonathan Peterson > University of Toronto > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Palaniappa at aol.com Tue Jan 30 04:06:51 2018 From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 18 22:06:51 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF needed Message-ID: Dear Indologists, I am looking for the article ?the Religion of the Brahmins? in 'Kerala Charitram?, pt. II, by Marthanda Varma, Ernakulam, 1974. While the specific pages I need are 384-85, if I can get the whole article, that will be great. I am sorry I do not have better bibliographic details. Thank you in advance. Regards, Palaniappan From Palaniappa at aol.com Tue Jan 30 04:57:20 2018 From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 18 22:57:20 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <10186C8B-1B2F-492D-935A-29FC5F2544A9@aol.com> It is possible, the publisher might be Kerala History Association, the title of the book may be Keralacharithram, 2 volumes, and the date might be 1973. This is based on another citation. Thank you. Regards, Palaniappan > On Jan 29, 2018, at 10:06 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan wrote: > > Dear Indologists, > > I am looking for the article ?the Religion of the Brahmins? in 'Kerala Charitram?, pt. II, by Marthanda Varma, Ernakulam, 1974. While the specific pages I need are 384-85, if I can get the whole article, that will be great. I am sorry I do not have better bibliographic details. > > Thank you in advance. > > Regards, > Palaniappan From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Tue Jan 30 08:42:26 2018 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 18 09:42:26 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF needed In-Reply-To: <10186C8B-1B2F-492D-935A-29FC5F2544A9@aol.com> Message-ID: Here is an exemplar of the book: http://copac.jisc.ac.uk/id/1310887?style=html&title=K?ra?a%20caritram The editor is a Muslim historian: http://copac.jisc.ac.uk/search?author=Sayyid%20Muhammad%2C%20P.%20A. whose name is variously transcribed: Mohammed/Muhammed/Muhammad Syed/Sayed/Said/Seyd/Saiyyid P.A. See his name given to and inscribed on the Kerala History Association building, here: http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday-review/history-and-culture/keeping-history-alive/article4676784.ece Le 30 janv. 2018 ? 05:57, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > It is possible, the publisher might be Kerala History Association, the title of the book may be Keralacharithram, 2 volumes, and the date might be 1973. This is based on another citation. > > Thank you. > > Regards, > Palaniappan > >> On Jan 29, 2018, at 10:06 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan wrote: >> >> Dear Indologists, >> >> I am looking for the article ?the Religion of the Brahmins? in 'Kerala Charitram?, pt. II, by Marthanda Varma, Ernakulam, 1974. While the specific pages I need are 384-85, if I can get the whole article, that will be great. I am sorry I do not have better bibliographic details. >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> Regards, >> Palaniappan > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dclammerts at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 15:33:05 2018 From: dclammerts at gmail.com (DC Lammerts) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 18 10:33:05 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Przyluski,_Le_concile_de_R=C4=81jag=E1=B9=9Bha?= Message-ID: <19331F4D-609C-4362-851A-95AC6B4F5D03@gmail.com> Dear Colleagues, Thank you to Arlo for circulating my Przyluski query, and to those of you who kindly replied off list. Best regards, Christian DC Lammerts Assistant Professor Department of Religion Rutgers University From wujastyk at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 23:30:46 2018 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 18 16:30:46 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] XeTeX tec file for Tamil? Message-ID: ?Does anyone have a TECkit file for auto-transliterating standard Latin-script input to Tamil script output?? Best, Dominik Wujastyk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From janvikalp at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 06:27:28 2018 From: janvikalp at gmail.com (Jan Vikalp) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 18 11:57:28 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahishasur: Myth and Traditions Message-ID: Dear everyone, I finished editing this book "Mahishasur: Mithak wa Paramparaye (Mahishasur: Myth and Traditions)" towards the end of last year. The book, which is a compilation of travelogues, essays, poems and even a play, has now been released. The book is in Hindi but its English edition will be available soon. You could read about the book here: https://www.forwardpress.in/2017/12/mahishasur-mithak-va- paramparayen-published/ Anyone interested in reading about Indian mythology from a Bahujan (non-brahmanical) point of view should find it useful. It's also available on Amazon (both print version and e-book) here: https://www.amazon.in/dp/B077XZ863F -Pramod Ranjan -- *Pramod Ranjan* Consulting Editor *FORWARD Press * D-128, First Floor, South Ganesh Nagar Block - D, Delhi - 110092 MO : 9811884495 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Palaniappa at aol.com Wed Jan 31 06:58:38 2018 From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 18 00:58:38 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <92EFE1DE-2AF8-4632-891B-823B12F8BE8E@aol.com> Dear Christophe, Thank you very much. Your information clears up many bibliographic details. I hope somebody will be able to access and share the pdf from the work by P. A. Syed Mohamed. Regards, Palaniappan > On Jan 30, 2018, at 2:42 AM, Christophe Vielle wrote: > > Here is an exemplar of the book: > http://copac.jisc.ac.uk/id/1310887?style=html&title=K?ra?a%20caritram > The editor is a Muslim historian: > http://copac.jisc.ac.uk/search?author=Sayyid%20Muhammad%2C%20P.%20A . > whose name is variously transcribed: > Mohammed/Muhammed/Muhammad Syed/Sayed/Said/Seyd/Saiyyid P.A. > See his name given to and inscribed on the Kerala History Association building, here: > http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday-review/history-and-culture/keeping-history-alive/article4676784.ece > > Le 30 janv. 2018 ? 05:57, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : > >> It is possible, the publisher might be Kerala History Association, the title of the book may be Keralacharithram, 2 volumes, and the date might be 1973. This is based on another citation. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Regards, >> Palaniappan >> >>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 10:06 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan > wrote: >>> >>> Dear Indologists, >>> >>> I am looking for the article ?the Religion of the Brahmins? in 'Kerala Charitram?, pt. II, by Marthanda Varma, Ernakulam, 1974. While the specific pages I need are 384-85, if I can get the whole article, that will be great. I am sorry I do not have better bibliographic details. >>> >>> Thank you in advance. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Palaniappan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk Wed Jan 31 13:15:46 2018 From: toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk (Toke Lindegaard Knudsen) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 18 13:15:46 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Pur=C4=81=E1=B9=87as,_"resembling_the_belly_of_a_mirror"?= Message-ID: <639D0660-EC08-424C-845E-D26CC5567568@hum.ku.dk> Dear all, I?m looking at some pur??ic passages where the expression ?resembling the belly of a mirror? occurs. Li?gapur??a 2.28.47-48 (all references in this email are drawn from GRETIL) has: ?r?yat?? parama? guhya? vedikoparima??alam / a??am??gulasa?yukta? ma?gal?kura?obhitam // phalapu?pasam?k?r?a? dh?pad?pasamanvitam / vedimadhye prakartavya? darpa?odarasannibham // The verses speak of a diagram, ma??ala, to be drawn in the center of the altar, vedi. The expression darpa?odarasannibham, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is used with reference to the ma??ala. Li?gapur??a 1.8.83 has: atyantanirmale samyak supralipte vicitrite / darpa?odarasa?k??e k????garusudh?pite // The context is the location where a practitioner should engage in yoga. The expression darpa?odarasa?k??e, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is used to describe a characteristic the place should have. The ?ivapur??a 7.2,29.11-13 has: na tu prayogo bhidyeta vak?yam??asya karma?a? / par?k?ya bh?mi? vidhivadga?dhavar?aras?dibhi? // manobhila?ite tatra vit?navitat??bare / supralipte mah?p???he darpa?odarasa?nibhe // pr?c?mutp?dayetp?rva? ??strad???ena vartman? / ekahasta? dvihasta? v? ma??ala? parikalpayet // The context here is the ground on which the diagram, ma??ala, is placed. The expression darpa?odarasa?nibhe, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is used to describe the ground. I?m interested in the image of a belly of a mirror used in the passages. The most obvious interpretation is that the image conveys something smooth, polished, and clean, as we would want a mirror to be; imperfections and dirt would distort the image we see in the mirror. I doubt that ?reflective? is meant, though ?shining? is a possibility. My question is if the image could be used to indicate shape in some way? I doubt ?concave? or ?convex? shape is meant, but perhaps ?round? or ?flat?? With all best wishes, Toke ----- Toke Lindegaard Knudsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Marie Sk?odowska-Curie Fellow Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies University of Copenhagen From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Jan 31 13:49:24 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 18 19:19:24 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Pur=C4=81=E1=B9=87as,_"resembling_the_belly_of_a_mirror"?= In-Reply-To: <639D0660-EC08-424C-845E-D26CC5567568@hum.ku.dk> Message-ID: Before this question can be answered, we need to figure out what the darpa?as were made of. Was it a glass mirror as we now have it, or was it a highly polished plate of metal? If it is the latter, your description probably refers to "highly polished." Just a thought. Madhav Deshpande (currently in Pune) On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Toke Lindegaard Knudsen via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all, > > I?m looking at some pur??ic passages where the expression ?resembling the > belly of a mirror? occurs. > > Li?gapur??a 2.28.47-48 (all references in this email are drawn from > GRETIL) has: > > ?r?yat?? parama? guhya? vedikoparima??alam / > a??am??gulasa?yukta? ma?gal?kura?obhitam // > phalapu?pasam?k?r?a? dh?pad?pasamanvitam / > vedimadhye prakartavya? darpa?odarasannibham // > > The verses speak of a diagram, ma??ala, to be drawn in the center of the > altar, vedi. The expression darpa?odarasannibham, ?resembling the belly of > a mirror,? is used with reference to the ma??ala. > > Li?gapur??a 1.8.83 has: > > atyantanirmale samyak supralipte vicitrite / > darpa?odarasa?k??e k????garusudh?pite // > > The context is the location where a practitioner should engage in yoga. > The expression darpa?odarasa?k??e, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is > used to describe a characteristic the place should have. > > The ?ivapur??a 7.2,29.11-13 has: > > na tu prayogo bhidyeta vak?yam??asya karma?a? / > par?k?ya bh?mi? vidhivadga?dhavar?aras?dibhi? // > manobhila?ite tatra vit?navitat??bare / > supralipte mah?p???he darpa?odarasa?nibhe // > pr?c?mutp?dayetp?rva? ??strad???ena vartman? / > ekahasta? dvihasta? v? ma??ala? parikalpayet // > > The context here is the ground on which the diagram, ma??ala, is placed. > The expression darpa?odarasa?nibhe, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is > used to describe the ground. > > I?m interested in the image of a belly of a mirror used in the passages. > The most obvious interpretation is that the image conveys something smooth, > polished, and clean, as we would want a mirror to be; imperfections and > dirt would distort the image we see in the mirror. I doubt that > ?reflective? is meant, though ?shining? is a possibility. > > My question is if the image could be used to indicate shape in some way? I > doubt ?concave? or ?convex? shape is meant, but perhaps ?round? or ?flat?? > > With all best wishes, > Toke > > ----- > Toke Lindegaard Knudsen, Ph.D. > > Associate Professor and Marie Sk?odowska-Curie Fellow > Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies > University of Copenhagen > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk Wed Jan 31 14:05:44 2018 From: toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk (Toke Lindegaard Knudsen) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 18 14:05:44 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Pur=C4=81=E1=B9=87as,_"resembling_the_belly_of_a_mirror"?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87B95A68-1571-4310-80B3-5B33A9D402C1@hum.ku.dk> Dear Madhav, Though glass mirrors were produced in India (from 1500 CE in western India according to one article I?ve read), the references must be to mirrors made from polished metal. One ?ilpa??stra text prescribes that a mirror should be very round (suv?tta) and have a raised rim (though surviving mirrors don?t always have a raised rim). As such the mirror?s belly (udara) must be the polished part inside the rim or the edge of the mirror. Your suggestion of ?highly polished? makes sense and what I had in mind with ?smooth, polished, clean.? But I?m honestly not entirely sure how exactly the diagram, ma??ala, would look like. Since mirrors were generally perfect circles, is a shape implied here? All best wishes, Toke On Jan 31, 2018, at 14:50, Madhav Deshpande > wrote: Before this question can be answered, we need to figure out what the darpa?as were made of. Was it a glass mirror as we now have it, or was it a highly polished plate of metal? If it is the latter, your description probably refers to "highly polished." Just a thought. Madhav Deshpande (currently in Pune) On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Toke Lindegaard Knudsen via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear all, I?m looking at some pur??ic passages where the expression ?resembling the belly of a mirror? occurs. Li?gapur??a 2.28.47-48 (all references in this email are drawn from GRETIL) has: ?r?yat?? parama? guhya? vedikoparima??alam / a??am??gulasa?yukta? ma?gal?kura?obhitam // phalapu?pasam?k?r?a? dh?pad?pasamanvitam / vedimadhye prakartavya? darpa?odarasannibham // The verses speak of a diagram, ma??ala, to be drawn in the center of the altar, vedi. The expression darpa?odarasannibham, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is used with reference to the ma??ala. Li?gapur??a 1.8.83 has: atyantanirmale samyak supralipte vicitrite / darpa?odarasa?k??e k????garusudh?pite // The context is the location where a practitioner should engage in yoga. The expression darpa?odarasa?k??e, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is used to describe a characteristic the place should have. The ?ivapur??a 7.2,29.11-13 has: na tu prayogo bhidyeta vak?yam??asya karma?a? / par?k?ya bh?mi? vidhivadga?dhavar?aras?dibhi? // manobhila?ite tatra vit?navitat??bare / supralipte mah?p???he darpa?odarasa?nibhe // pr?c?mutp?dayetp?rva? ??strad???ena vartman? / ekahasta? dvihasta? v? ma??ala? parikalpayet // The context here is the ground on which the diagram, ma??ala, is placed. The expression darpa?odarasa?nibhe, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is used to describe the ground. I?m interested in the image of a belly of a mirror used in the passages. The most obvious interpretation is that the image conveys something smooth, polished, and clean, as we would want a mirror to be; imperfections and dirt would distort the image we see in the mirror. I doubt that ?reflective? is meant, though ?shining? is a possibility. My question is if the image could be used to indicate shape in some way? I doubt ?concave? or ?convex? shape is meant, but perhaps ?round? or ?flat?? With all best wishes, Toke ----- Toke Lindegaard Knudsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Marie Sk?odowska-Curie Fellow Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies University of Copenhagen > _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 19:37:26 2018 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 18 01:07:26 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Pur=C4=81=E1=B9=87as,_"resembling_the_belly_of_a_mirror"?= In-Reply-To: <87B95A68-1571-4310-80B3-5B33A9D402C1@hum.ku.dk> Message-ID: maNidarpaNa is also mentioned at places. maNi is a stone, even a big rock-like one, not just the small little pieces of precious stones embedded in jewellery. These stone mirrors work just on account of polishing. DarpaNodara, even in this case , is a polished flat surface. On Jan 31, 2018 7:36 PM, "Toke Lindegaard Knudsen via INDOLOGY" < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Madhav, > > Though glass mirrors were produced in India (from 1500 CE in western India > according to one article I?ve read), the references must be to mirrors made > from polished metal. > > One ?ilpa??stra text prescribes that a mirror should be very round (suv?tta) > and have a raised rim (though surviving mirrors don?t always have a raised > rim). As such the mirror?s belly (udara) must be the polished part inside > the rim or the edge of the mirror. > > Your suggestion of ?highly polished? makes sense and what I had in mind > with ?smooth, polished, clean.? But I?m honestly not entirely sure how > exactly the diagram, ma??ala, would look like. Since mirrors were > generally perfect circles, is a shape implied here? > > All best wishes, > Toke > > > > On Jan 31, 2018, at 14:50, Madhav Deshpande wrote: > > Before this question can be answered, we need to figure out what the > darpa?as were made of. Was it a glass mirror as we now have it, or was it > a highly polished plate of metal? If it is the latter, your description > probably refers to "highly polished." Just a thought. > > Madhav Deshpande > (currently in Pune) > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Toke Lindegaard Knudsen via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I?m looking at some pur??ic passages where the expression ?resembling the >> belly of a mirror? occurs. >> >> Li?gapur??a 2.28.47-48 (all references in this email are drawn from >> GRETIL) has: >> >> ?r?yat?? parama? guhya? vedikoparima??alam / >> a??am??gulasa?yukta? ma?gal?kura?obhitam // >> phalapu?pasam?k?r?a? dh?pad?pasamanvitam / >> vedimadhye prakartavya? darpa?odarasannibham // >> >> The verses speak of a diagram, ma??ala, to be drawn in the center of the >> altar, vedi. The expression darpa?odarasannibham, ?resembling the belly of >> a mirror,? is used with reference to the ma??ala. >> >> Li?gapur??a 1.8.83 has: >> >> atyantanirmale samyak supralipte vicitrite / >> darpa?odarasa?k??e k????garusudh?pite // >> >> The context is the location where a practitioner should engage in yoga. >> The expression darpa?odarasa?k??e, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is >> used to describe a characteristic the place should have. >> >> The ?ivapur??a 7.2,29.11-13 has: >> >> na tu prayogo bhidyeta vak?yam??asya karma?a? / >> par?k?ya bh?mi? vidhivadga?dhavar?aras?dibhi? // >> manobhila?ite tatra vit?navitat??bare / >> supralipte mah?p???he darpa?odarasa?nibhe // >> pr?c?mutp?dayetp?rva? ??strad???ena vartman? / >> ekahasta? dvihasta? v? ma??ala? parikalpayet // >> >> The context here is the ground on which the diagram, ma??ala, is placed. >> The expression darpa?odarasa?nibhe, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is >> used to describe the ground. >> >> I?m interested in the image of a belly of a mirror used in the passages. >> The most obvious interpretation is that the image conveys something smooth, >> polished, and clean, as we would want a mirror to be; imperfections and >> dirt would distort the image we see in the mirror. I doubt that >> ?reflective? is meant, though ?shining? is a possibility. >> >> My question is if the image could be used to indicate shape in some way? >> I doubt ?concave? or ?convex? shape is meant, but perhaps ?round? or ?flat?? >> >> With all best wishes, >> Toke >> >> ----- >> Toke Lindegaard Knudsen, Ph.D. >> >> Associate Professor and Marie Sk?odowska-Curie Fellow >> Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies >> University of Copenhagen >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Wed Jan 31 20:21:41 2018 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 18 20:21:41 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Pur=C4=81=E1=B9=87as,_"resembling_the_belly_of_a_mirror"?= In-Reply-To: <639D0660-EC08-424C-845E-D26CC5567568@hum.ku.dk> Message-ID: Dear Toke, maybe the following passage from the N??ya??tra (2, 72cd-73ab) is of interest to you. It deals with the surface of the ra?ga??r?a: k?rmapr???ha? na kartavya? matsyapr???ha? tathaiva ca **?uddh?dar?atal?k?ra?** ra?ga??r?a? pra?asyate. With kind regards, Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Toke Lindegaard Knudsen via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: woensdag 31 januari 2018 14:15 Aan: Indology Onderwerp: [INDOLOGY] Pur??as, "resembling the belly of a mirror" Dear all, I?m looking at some pur??ic passages where the expression ?resembling the belly of a mirror? occurs. Li?gapur??a 2.28.47-48 (all references in this email are drawn from GRETIL) has: ?r?yat?? parama? guhya? vedikoparima??alam / a??am??gulasa?yukta? ma?gal?kura?obhitam // phalapu?pasam?k?r?a? dh?pad?pasamanvitam / vedimadhye prakartavya? darpa?odarasannibham // The verses speak of a diagram, ma??ala, to be drawn in the center of the altar, vedi. The expression darpa?odarasannibham, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is used with reference to the ma??ala. Li?gapur??a 1.8.83 has: atyantanirmale samyak supralipte vicitrite / darpa?odarasa?k??e k????garusudh?pite // The context is the location where a practitioner should engage in yoga. The expression darpa?odarasa?k??e, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is used to describe a characteristic the place should have. The ?ivapur??a 7.2,29.11-13 has: na tu prayogo bhidyeta vak?yam??asya karma?a? / par?k?ya bh?mi? vidhivadga?dhavar?aras?dibhi? // manobhila?ite tatra vit?navitat??bare / supralipte mah?p???he darpa?odarasa?nibhe // pr?c?mutp?dayetp?rva? ??strad???ena vartman? / ekahasta? dvihasta? v? ma??ala? parikalpayet // The context here is the ground on which the diagram, ma??ala, is placed. The expression darpa?odarasa?nibhe, ?resembling the belly of a mirror,? is used to describe the ground. I?m interested in the image of a belly of a mirror used in the passages. The most obvious interpretation is that the image conveys something smooth, polished, and clean, as we would want a mirror to be; imperfections and dirt would distort the image we see in the mirror. I doubt that ?reflective? is meant, though ?shining? is a possibility. My question is if the image could be used to indicate shape in some way? I doubt ?concave? or ?convex? shape is meant, but perhaps ?round? or ?flat?? With all best wishes, Toke ----- Toke Lindegaard Knudsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Marie Sk?odowska-Curie Fellow Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies University of Copenhagen _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)