From wujastyk at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 03:54:28 2018 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 18 20:54:28 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Appointment on the Infosys Foundation Chair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Secretary Bori India Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 at 11:56 Subject: Appointment on the Infosys Foundation Chair Dear colleague, I am happy to inform you that the Infosys Foundation, India has offered generous funding to institute the Infosys Foundation Chair in Oriental Studies at the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute (BORI), Pune. I am sending herewith the guidelines we have framed for the implementation of this scheme and would like to have your feedback and suggestions if any. I also request you to suggest names of eminent scholars who might be interested in doing research at the BORI for one to two years and send me their email IDs and contact numbers. You may write to me if you yourself are willing to work under this scheme. The BORI is keen on making the said appointment as early as possible. Hence this request. Looking forward to hearing from you, Yours sincerely, Shrikant Bahulkar Honorary Secretary Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute 812, Shivaji Nagar, Chiplunkar Road, Near ILS Law College, Pune 411004 (India) Phone: +91-20-25656932 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sat Dec 1 06:06:03 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 18 22:06:03 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses: During my flight from San Francisco to Amsterdam, I composed almost 50 Krishna verses. After my Gonda Lecture in Amsterdam yesterday, some colleagues here wanted to hear my Krishna verses, and so I read some of the newest ones to them. Now these will be added to my ongoing collection. Today, I have my return flight to San Francisco, and I can only wait to see how many more verses Krishna inspires during that flight. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de Sat Dec 1 07:22:43 2018 From: tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de (tatiana.oranskaia) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 18 08:22:43 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20181201082243.Horde.rizHyEgAuDbIb5O7eYbwrwy@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Dear Harry, Thank you ever so much for the tip! Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition? Best wishes, Tatiana Zitat von Harry Spier : > Dear Tatiana, > > You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra . > > Harry Spier > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the following >> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to >> 'PraakRtadhyaaya': >> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are almost invariably >> accompanied >> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." (p.34) >> >> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it? >> Does it show some specific local features? >> >> With best wishes, >> Tatiana Oranskaia >> >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >> Asien-Afrika-Institut >> Universit?t Hamburg >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >> 20354 Hamburg >> >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> -- Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets Asien-Afrika-Institut Universit?t Hamburg Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. 20354 Hamburg Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) Fax: 040 42838 6944 tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 13:51:53 2018 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 18 08:51:53 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question In-Reply-To: <20181201082243.Horde.rizHyEgAuDbIb5O7eYbwrwy@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Message-ID: Dear Tatiana, I referenced the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra because this is available online in the Muktabodha digital library as both a digital e-text and a pdf of the original. I vaguely recall looking at a tantrasAra manuscript about 20 years ago that had prakrit verses that were different from those in the KSTS edition. But that was 20 years ago so I could be mistaken. Harry Spier On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:22 AM tatiana.oranskaia < tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > Dear Harry, > > Thank you ever so much for the tip! > > Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition? > > Best wishes, > Tatiana > Zitat von Harry Spier : > > > Dear Tatiana, > > > > You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra . > > > > Harry Spier > > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY < > > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > > >> > >> Dear colleagues, > >> > >> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the > following > >> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to > >> 'PraakRtadhyaaya': > >> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are almost invariably > >> accompanied > >> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." (p.34) > >> > >> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it? > >> Does it show some specific local features? > >> > >> With best wishes, > >> Tatiana Oranskaia > >> > >> -- > >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia > >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets > >> Asien-Afrika-Institut > >> Universit?t Hamburg > >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. > >> 20354 Hamburg > >> > >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) > >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 > >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> INDOLOGY mailing list > >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > >> committee) > >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or > >> unsubscribe) > >> > > > -- > Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia > Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets > Asien-Afrika-Institut > Universit?t Hamburg > Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. > 20354 Hamburg > > Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) > Fax: 040 42838 6944 > tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nmcgover at fandm.edu Sat Dec 1 16:47:44 2018 From: nmcgover at fandm.edu (Nathan McGovern) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 18 10:47:44 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The Snake and the Mongoose Message-ID: <069bc444-ba67-51e4-cbec-800f6dac0522@fandm.edu> Dear Indology members: I am very happy to announce the release of my book, /The Snake and the Mongoose: The Emergence of Identity in Early Indian Religion/ by Oxford University Press. Since my book deals with the emergence of Brahmanical, Buddhist, and Jain religious identities in ancient India and thus a key part of the narrative of South Asian religious history, it will be of interest to many if not most Indology members. For your reference, here is the blurb from the dust jacket: Since the beginning of modern Indology in the 19th century, the relationship between the early Indian religions of Buddhism, Jainism, and Hinduism has been predicated on a perceived dichotomy between two meta-historical identities: "the Brahmans" (purveyors of the ancient Vedic texts and associated ritual system) and the newer "non-Brahmanical" /sramana/ movements from which the Buddhists and Jains emerged. Textbook and scholarly accounts postulate an opposition between these two groups, citing the 2nd-century grammarian Patanjali, who is often quoted (erroneously) as likening them to the proverbial enemies snake and mongoose. Scholars continue to privilege Brahmanical Hindu accounts of early Indian history, and portray Buddhist and Jain deviations from those accounts as evidence of their opposition to a pre-existing Brahmanism. In /The Snake and the Mongoose/, Nathan McGovern turns this commonly-accepted model of the origins of the early Indian religions on its head. His book seeks to de-center the Hindu Brahman from our understanding of Indian religion by "taming the snake and the mongoose"--that is, by abandoning the anachronistic distinction between "Brahmanical" and "non-Brahmanical." Instead, McGovern allows the earliest articulations of identity in Indian religion to speak for themselves through a comparative reading of texts preserved by the three major groups that emerged from the social, political, cultural, and religious foment of the late first millennium BCE: the Buddhists and Jains as they represented themselves in their earliest /sutra/s, and the Vedic Brahmans as they represented themselves in their Dharma Sutras. The picture that emerges is not of a fundamental dichotomy between Brahmanical and non-Brahmanical, but rather of many different groups who all saw themselves as Brahmanical. 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I vaguely recall looking at a tantrasAra manuscript > about 20 years ago that had prakrit verses that were different from those > in the KSTS edition. But that was 20 years ago so I could be mistaken. > > Harry Spier > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:22 AM tatiana.oranskaia < > tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > >> Dear Harry, >> >> Thank you ever so much for the tip! >> >> Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition? >> >> Best wishes, >> Tatiana >> Zitat von Harry Spier : >> >> > Dear Tatiana, >> > >> > You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra . >> > >> > Harry Spier >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY < >> > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> >> >> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the >> following >> >> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to >> >> 'PraakRtadhyaaya': >> >> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are almost invariably >> >> accompanied >> >> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." (p.34) >> >> >> >> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it? >> >> Does it show some specific local features? >> >> >> >> With best wishes, >> >> Tatiana Oranskaia >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >> >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >> >> Asien-Afrika-Institut >> >> Universit?t Hamburg >> >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >> >> 20354 Hamburg >> >> >> >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >> >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >> >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> >> committee) >> >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >> or >> >> unsubscribe) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >> Asien-Afrika-Institut >> Universit?t Hamburg >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >> 20354 Hamburg >> >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 20:09:37 2018 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 18 15:09:37 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was told the verses in the tantrasAra are in Apabhramsa. Harry Spier On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:26 PM Artur Karp wrote: > Dear Tatiana, and dear Harry, > > Strange, somehow. Your exchange contains no information re the language of > the vernacular verses ending each chapter of the "Kaashmira (with short > 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works". Should it remain a closely guarded secret? > > Greetings from frosty Warszawa, > > Artur Karp (ret.) > Chair of South Asian Studies > University of Warsaw > Poland > > > > sob., 1 gru 2018 o 14:52 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a): > >> Dear Tatiana, >> >> I referenced the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra because this is available >> online in the Muktabodha digital library as both a digital e-text and a pdf >> of the original. I vaguely recall looking at a tantrasAra manuscript >> about 20 years ago that had prakrit verses that were different from those >> in the KSTS edition. But that was 20 years ago so I could be mistaken. >> >> Harry Spier >> >> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:22 AM tatiana.oranskaia < >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de> wrote: >> >>> Dear Harry, >>> >>> Thank you ever so much for the tip! >>> >>> Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition? >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Tatiana >>> Zitat von Harry Spier : >>> >>> > Dear Tatiana, >>> > >>> > You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra . >>> > >>> > Harry Spier >>> > >>> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY < >>> > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Dear colleagues, >>> >> >>> >> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the >>> following >>> >> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to >>> >> 'PraakRtadhyaaya': >>> >> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are almost invariably >>> >> accompanied >>> >> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." (p.34) >>> >> >>> >> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it? >>> >> Does it show some specific local features? >>> >> >>> >> With best wishes, >>> >> Tatiana Oranskaia >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>> >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>> >> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>> >> Universit?t Hamburg >>> >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>> >> 20354 Hamburg >>> >> >>> >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>> >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>> >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> >> committee) >>> >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>> options or >>> >> unsubscribe) >>> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>> Universit?t Hamburg >>> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>> 20354 Hamburg >>> >>> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew.ollett at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 20:32:42 2018 From: andrew.ollett at gmail.com (Andrew Ollett) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 18 15:32:42 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: H.C. Bhayani has an essay in vol. 1 of his "Indological Studies" (Ahmedabad 1993) titled "The Apabhra??a Passages from Abhinavagupta?s Tantras?ra and Par?tri??ik?v?tti" (pp. 276?296), originally published in 1971 in Vidy? 14 (2): 1?18. There he attempts to correct/rewrite the 32 Apabhramsha passages in the Tantras?ra are the 7 Apabhramsha sa?graha?l?kas in the Par?tri??ik?v?tti. I don't have a soft copy, but he says there (p. 293) ?there is nothing specifically *dialectal *or *regional* or ?Kashmirian? about Abhinavagupta?s Apabhra??a.? Prof. Bhayani also noted that the text of these verses as printed in the KSTS edition (in 1918, when Apabhramsha studies were in their infancy) is "a chaotic jumble of letters from which it seems near-impossible to make out any connected verbal structure or palpable meaning." I remember hearing that Paul Gerstmayr was working on these verses at one point. On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 3:10 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I was told the verses in the tantrasAra are in Apabhramsa. > > Harry Spier > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:26 PM Artur Karp wrote: > >> Dear Tatiana, and dear Harry, >> >> Strange, somehow. Your exchange contains no information re the language >> of the vernacular verses ending each chapter of the "Kaashmira (with >> short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works". Should it remain a closely guarded secret? >> >> Greetings from frosty Warszawa, >> >> Artur Karp (ret.) >> Chair of South Asian Studies >> University of Warsaw >> Poland >> >> >> >> sob., 1 gru 2018 o 14:52 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a): >> >>> Dear Tatiana, >>> >>> I referenced the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra because this is >>> available online in the Muktabodha digital library as both a digital e-text >>> and a pdf of the original. I vaguely recall looking at a tantrasAra >>> manuscript about 20 years ago that had prakrit verses that were different >>> from those in the KSTS edition. But that was 20 years ago so I could be >>> mistaken. >>> >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:22 AM tatiana.oranskaia < >>> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Harry, >>>> >>>> Thank you ever so much for the tip! >>>> >>>> Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition? >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Tatiana >>>> Zitat von Harry Spier : >>>> >>>> > Dear Tatiana, >>>> > >>>> > You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra . >>>> > >>>> > Harry Spier >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY < >>>> > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> Dear colleagues, >>>> >> >>>> >> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the >>>> following >>>> >> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to >>>> >> 'PraakRtadhyaaya': >>>> >> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are almost invariably >>>> >> accompanied >>>> >> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." >>>> (p.34) >>>> >> >>>> >> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it? >>>> >> Does it show some specific local features? >>>> >> >>>> >> With best wishes, >>>> >> Tatiana Oranskaia >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>>> >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>>> >> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>>> >> Universit?t Hamburg >>>> >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>>> >> 20354 Hamburg >>>> >> >>>> >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>>> >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>>> >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> >> committee) >>>> >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>> options or >>>> >> unsubscribe) >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>>> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>>> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>>> Universit?t Hamburg >>>> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>>> 20354 Hamburg >>>> >>>> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>>> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>>> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Sat Dec 1 20:43:24 2018 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 18 20:43:24 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now I become interested. Apabhra??a started its career as a literary language as the language of popular songs sung on the streets (see the dvipad?kha??a in Har?a's Ratn?val?, JESHO, 51 (2008), pp. 355-69). If we had been able to ask the writers of the early literary texts in what we tend to call vernaculars, in what language they were writing they would probably have answered "Apabhra??a". In this case, too, we have two answers, namely "vernacular" (Bannerjee) and "Apabhra??a" (Spier's informant). Is it possible to see a few examples of the passages concerned? Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: zaterdag 1 december 2018 21:09 Aan: Artur Karp CC: Indology Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question I was told the verses in the tantrasAra are in Apabhramsa. Harry Spier On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:26 PM Artur Karp > wrote: Dear Tatiana, and dear Harry, Strange, somehow. Your exchange contains no information re the language of the vernacular verses ending each chapter of the "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works". Should it remain a closely guarded secret? Greetings from frosty Warszawa, Artur Karp (ret.) Chair of South Asian Studies University of Warsaw Poland sob., 1 gru 2018 o 14:52 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > napisa?(a): Dear Tatiana, I referenced the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra because this is available online in the Muktabodha digital library as both a digital e-text and a pdf of the original. I vaguely recall looking at a tantrasAra manuscript about 20 years ago that had prakrit verses that were different from those in the KSTS edition. But that was 20 years ago so I could be mistaken. Harry Spier On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:22 AM tatiana.oranskaia > wrote: Dear Harry, Thank you ever so much for the tip! Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition? Best wishes, Tatiana Zitat von Harry Spier >: > Dear Tatiana, > > You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra . > > Harry Spier > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the following >> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to >> 'PraakRtadhyaaya': >> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are almost invariably >> accompanied >> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." (p.34) >> >> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it? >> Does it show some specific local features? >> >> With best wishes, >> Tatiana Oranskaia >> >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >> Asien-Afrika-Institut >> Universit?t Hamburg >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >> 20354 Hamburg >> >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> -- Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets Asien-Afrika-Institut Universit?t Hamburg Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. 20354 Hamburg Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) Fax: 040 42838 6944 tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de Sat Dec 1 22:36:43 2018 From: tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de (tatiana.oranskaia) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 18 23:36:43 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20181201233643.Horde.h6m8TEx1AW6rkAwNRQcPO7y@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> Dear colleagues, Many thanks for your comments! The question has produced a string. The question itself was produced by the book by Anton Kogan on aspects of comparative-historical research of Kashmiri. Discussing in the 1st chapter written sources which might contain some elements of Kashmiri in its earlier stage, he analyses, among other things, words in the verses of the Mahaanayaprakaasha (MNP) written in what the author of MNP labels as 'deshabhaaSaa'. Not surprisingly, Anton comes to the conclusion that it is an artificial Apabhra??a based language. Unlike Grierson, he doesn't think that it could be the ancestor of Kashmiri. However, he follows Grierson in that he singles out in this lexis some traits characteristic of Kashmiri, or Dardic in general. Thanks to the tip from Harry Spier I could go - very superficially - through the non-Sanskrit verses of the Tantrasaara on the Internet Archive. It is a prakritised Apabhra??a with, obviously, no Kashmiri specific traits, which is fully in accord with the opinion of Bhayani (see Andrew Ollett's mail). Eric Gurevitch kindly sent me a PDF copy of Bhayani's article this morning. I think he doesn't mind if I share it with anybody interested. Please, let me know if you would like to receive a copy. Best wishes, Tatiana Nachricht von "Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY" Datum: Sat, 1 Dec 2018 20:43:24 +0000 Von: "Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY" Antwort an: "Tieken, H.J.H." Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question An: Harry Spier , Artur Karp Cc: Indology Now I become interested. Apabhra??a started its career as a literary language as the language of popular songs sung on the streets (see the dvipad?kha??a in Har?a's Ratn?val?, JESHO, 51 (2008), pp. 355-69). If we had been able to ask the writers of the early literary texts in what we tend to call vernaculars, in what language they were writing they would probably have answered "Apabhra??a". In this case, too, we have two answers, namely "vernacular" (Bannerjee) and "Apabhra??a" (Spier's informant). Is it possible to see a few examples of the passages concerned? Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com Zitat von Harry Spier : > I was told the verses in the tantrasAra are in Apabhramsa. > > Harry Spier > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:26 PM Artur Karp wrote: > >> Dear Tatiana, and dear Harry, >> >> Strange, somehow. Your exchange contains no information re the language of >> the vernacular verses ending each chapter of the "Kaashmira (with short >> 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works". Should it remain a closely guarded secret? >> >> Greetings from frosty Warszawa, >> >> Artur Karp (ret.) >> Chair of South Asian Studies >> University of Warsaw >> Poland >> >> >> >> sob., 1 gru 2018 o 14:52 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a): >> >>> Dear Tatiana, >>> >>> I referenced the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra because this is available >>> online in the Muktabodha digital library as both a digital e-text and a pdf >>> of the original. I vaguely recall looking at a tantrasAra manuscript >>> about 20 years ago that had prakrit verses that were different from those >>> in the KSTS edition. But that was 20 years ago so I could be mistaken. >>> >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:22 AM tatiana.oranskaia < >>> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Harry, >>>> >>>> Thank you ever so much for the tip! >>>> >>>> Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition? >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Tatiana >>>> Zitat von Harry Spier : >>>> >>>> > Dear Tatiana, >>>> > >>>> > You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra . >>>> > >>>> > Harry Spier >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY < >>>> > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> Dear colleagues, >>>> >> >>>> >> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the >>>> following >>>> >> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to >>>> >> 'PraakRtadhyaaya': >>>> >> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are almost invariably >>>> >> accompanied >>>> >> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." (p.34) >>>> >> >>>> >> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it? >>>> >> Does it show some specific local features? >>>> >> >>>> >> With best wishes, >>>> >> Tatiana Oranskaia >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>>> >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>>> >> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>>> >> Universit?t Hamburg >>>> >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>>> >> 20354 Hamburg >>>> >> >>>> >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>>> >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>>> >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> >> committee) >>>> >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>> options or >>>> >> unsubscribe) >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>>> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>>> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>>> Universit?t Hamburg >>>> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>>> 20354 Hamburg >>>> >>>> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>>> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>>> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >>> unsubscribe) >>> >> -- Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets Asien-Afrika-Institut Universit?t Hamburg Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. 20354 Hamburg Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) Fax: 040 42838 6944 tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Sat Dec 1 22:46:46 2018 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 18 17:46:46 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 1) The KSTS edition of the tantrasara is downloadable from the muktabodha digital library www.muktabodha.org both as a digital e-text and as a pdf of the original ksts edition. The pdf version is probably more reliable than the e-text to look at the Apabhramsa verses since in the e-text some additional spaces have been put in between the "chaotic umble of letters" mentioned in Andrew Ollett's message. 2) In an unpublished translation of the tantrasAra by B.N. Pandit that I saw about 20 years ago he ascribed the Apabhramsa passages to a female guru of a Kashmir Saivite lineage. He didn't say if this was a traditional view or his opinion. I don't remember any other details about what he said. Harry Spier On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 3:43 PM Tieken, H.J.H. < H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl> wrote: > Now I become interested. Apabhra??a started its career as a literary > language as the language of popular songs sung on the streets (see the > dvipad?kha??a in Har?a's Ratn?val?, *JESHO, *51 (2008), pp. 355-69). If > we had been able to ask the writers of the early literary texts in what we > tend to call vernaculars, in what language they were writing they would > probably have answered "Apabhra??a". In this case, too, we have two > answers, namely "vernacular" (Bannerjee) and "Apabhra??a" (Spier's > informant). Is it possible to see a few examples of the passages concerned? > Herman > > Herman Tieken > Stationsweg 58 > 2515 BP Den Haag > The Netherlands > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > website: hermantieken.com > ------------------------------ > *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Harry Spier > via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 1 december 2018 21:09 > *Aan:* Artur Karp > *CC:* Indology > *Onderwerp:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question > > I was told the verses in the tantrasAra are in Apabhramsa. > > Harry Spier > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:26 PM Artur Karp wrote: > >> Dear Tatiana, and dear Harry, >> >> Strange, somehow. Your exchange contains no information re the language >> of the vernacular verses ending each chapter of the "Kaashmira (with >> short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works". Should it remain a closely guarded secret? >> >> Greetings from frosty Warszawa, >> >> Artur Karp (ret.) >> Chair of South Asian Studies >> University of Warsaw >> Poland >> >> >> >> sob., 1 gru 2018 o 14:52 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a): >> >>> Dear Tatiana, >>> >>> I referenced the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra because this is >>> available online in the Muktabodha digital library as both a digital e-text >>> and a pdf of the original. I vaguely recall looking at a tantrasAra >>> manuscript about 20 years ago that had prakrit verses that were different >>> from those in the KSTS edition. But that was 20 years ago so I could be >>> mistaken. >>> >>> Harry Spier >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:22 AM tatiana.oranskaia < >>> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Harry, >>>> >>>> Thank you ever so much for the tip! >>>> >>>> Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition? >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Tatiana >>>> Zitat von Harry Spier : >>>> >>>> > Dear Tatiana, >>>> > >>>> > You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra . >>>> > >>>> > Harry Spier >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY < >>>> > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> Dear colleagues, >>>> >> >>>> >> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the >>>> following >>>> >> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to >>>> >> 'PraakRtadhyaaya': >>>> >> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are almost invariably >>>> >> accompanied >>>> >> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." >>>> (p.34) >>>> >> >>>> >> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it? >>>> >> Does it show some specific local features? >>>> >> >>>> >> With best wishes, >>>> >> Tatiana Oranskaia >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>>> >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>>> >> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>>> >> Universit?t Hamburg >>>> >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>>> >> 20354 Hamburg >>>> >> >>>> >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>>> >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>>> >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> >> committee) >>>> >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>> options or >>>> >> unsubscribe) >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>>> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>>> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>>> Universit?t Hamburg >>>> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>>> 20354 Hamburg >>>> >>>> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>>> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>>> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 00:08:07 2018 From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 18 19:08:07 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Par?tri?ik?viv?t? also studied in H. C. Bhayani's article is also downloadable from the Muktabodha digital library both as a searchable e-text and as a pdf of the original vol. 18 of the KSTS series. Harry Spier On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 3:33 PM Andrew Ollett via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > H.C. Bhayani has an essay in vol. 1 of his "Indological Studies" > (Ahmedabad 1993) titled "The Apabhra??a Passages from Abhinavagupta?s > Tantras?ra and Par?tri??ik?v?tti" (pp. 276?296), originally published in > 1971 in Vidy? 14 (2): 1?18. There he attempts to correct/rewrite the 32 > Apabhramsha passages in the Tantras?ra are the 7 Apabhramsha sa?graha?l?kas > in the Par?tri??ik?v?tti. I don't have a soft copy, but he says there (p. > 293) ?there is nothing specifically *dialectal *or *regional* or > ?Kashmirian? about Abhinavagupta?s Apabhra??a.? Prof. Bhayani also noted > that the text of these verses as printed in the KSTS edition (in 1918, when > Apabhramsha studies were in their infancy) is "a chaotic jumble of letters > from which it seems near-impossible to make out any connected verbal > structure or palpable meaning." I remember hearing that Paul Gerstmayr was > working on these verses at one point. > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 3:10 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> I was told the verses in the tantrasAra are in Apabhramsa. >> >> Harry Spier >> >> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:26 PM Artur Karp wrote: >> >>> Dear Tatiana, and dear Harry, >>> >>> Strange, somehow. Your exchange contains no information re the language >>> of the vernacular verses ending each chapter of the "Kaashmira (with >>> short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works". Should it remain a closely guarded secret? >>> >>> Greetings from frosty Warszawa, >>> >>> Artur Karp (ret.) >>> Chair of South Asian Studies >>> University of Warsaw >>> Poland >>> >>> >>> >>> sob., 1 gru 2018 o 14:52 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> napisa?(a): >>> >>>> Dear Tatiana, >>>> >>>> I referenced the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra because this is >>>> available online in the Muktabodha digital library as both a digital e-text >>>> and a pdf of the original. I vaguely recall looking at a tantrasAra >>>> manuscript about 20 years ago that had prakrit verses that were different >>>> from those in the KSTS edition. But that was 20 years ago so I could be >>>> mistaken. >>>> >>>> Harry Spier >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:22 AM tatiana.oranskaia < >>>> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Harry, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you ever so much for the tip! >>>>> >>>>> Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition? >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> Tatiana >>>>> Zitat von Harry Spier : >>>>> >>>>> > Dear Tatiana, >>>>> > >>>>> > You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra . >>>>> > >>>>> > Harry Spier >>>>> > >>>>> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY < >>>>> > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Dear colleagues, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the >>>>> following >>>>> >> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to >>>>> >> 'PraakRtadhyaaya': >>>>> >> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are almost >>>>> invariably >>>>> >> accompanied >>>>> >> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." >>>>> (p.34) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it? >>>>> >> Does it show some specific local features? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> With best wishes, >>>>> >> Tatiana Oranskaia >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>>>> >> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>>>> >> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>>>> >> Universit?t Hamburg >>>>> >> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>>>> >> 20354 Hamburg >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>>>> >> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>>>> >> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> >> committee) >>>>> >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list >>>>> options or >>>>> >> unsubscribe) >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Prof. Dr. Tatiana Oranskaia >>>>> Abteilung f?r Kultur und Geschichte Indiens und Tibets >>>>> Asien-Afrika-Institut >>>>> Universit?t Hamburg >>>>> Alsterterrasse 1, 1. OG re. >>>>> 20354 Hamburg >>>>> >>>>> Tel.: 040 428 38 3385 (GZ) >>>>> Fax: 040 42838 6944 >>>>> tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Dear Paul Hackett Thank you very much for your feedback and appreciation. *test the fonts in a wide range of programs * I have tried on different platforms but this font doesn't work in obsolete software like Adobe Pagemaker 7 etc. Dear Andrew Ollett Thank you very much for your feedback and appreciation. * e- and o-m?tr?s are a bit more curved in the print samples * *bit** more space on the inside of the d-ak?ara.The tail of the t-ak?ara also seems a bit less tapered in the print sample* I will work on this thanks. *I also quite like the way that the top line doesn't connect in the print * [image: image.png] I hope this is what you are saying about the gaps, initially it was done like that, but I got less appreciation and also in this recent mail Prof Madhav Deshpande Ji suggested to remove even for conjunct consonants. If I am not comprehending your message, please write again, I hope this is not hassling for you. Dear Madhav Deshpande Ji Thank you very much for your feedback and appreciation. * the knot of ???? in your first sample looks bigger than the one in ??? in your last sample * * ? looks like there is a gap * *left gaps between half letters combined in making conjuncts, but really there should be no such gaps in a good font design* *The thickness of lines should be uniform in all letters. For example, the top of ? in ???? looks too thick to me * Noted. I will work on this and re-send by next week. The only difficulty in letter da is there is more than 7 to 8 da in a book, and confused which one to choose. And moreover, the da in the conjunct letters are still more different. But I have noticed your point and that makes sense, we will re-work and send it again. *don't take this as a negative criticism * -Not at all sir, you are helping me out, as the one-handed person cannot observe all flaws. That would be a pleasure if you continue the observation in following emails too. Thanks every one Krishna Prasad On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:00 AM Lidia Wojtczak wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad, > thank you for this amazing initiative, the font looks fantastic. I was > wondering whether you might not think about lessening the gap between the > "i" and the matra. It seems that in the original Nirnaya Sagar front, there > is a smaller space between the horizontal line of the word and where the > "i" cuts through it. > Again, thank you so much for your work. > All the best, > Lidia Wojtczak > SOAS University of London > > [image: image.png] > > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 at 18:16, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Updates, please check and give feedback. >> >> On Sun 18 Nov, 2018, 8:01 AM Krishnaprasad G > wrote: >> >>> Dear all >>> The fonts are getting developed and will be published in the month of >>> February or March. The following mails will have more samples and any >>> suggestions corrections are welcome. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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University ProfessorDept of SanskritPatna University,PatnaResidence- Kolkata-India Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Madhav Deshpande Date: 12/2/18 8:06 AM (GMT+05:30) To: Indology , bvparishat at googlegroups.com, e-shabda-charcha-peeth at googlegroups.com, Jayaram Sethuraman , Ranjana Date , Indira Peterson , Antonia Ruppel Subject: {???????????????????} Continuing my Krishna verses Continuing my Krishna verses: ???? ???????? ??????????? ????????? ????????????? ????????? ?? ????????????????? ??????????: ???????Some form is in front of me, but my eyes see Krishna. Whether he is without qualities or forms or colors, [to me] he is drenched in colors. Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor EmeritusSanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan[Residence: Campbell, California] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. 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BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 02:46:08 2018 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 18 08:16:08 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Updates and new look of Aksharamukha Message-ID: Dear all Here is Aksharamukha by Vinodh Rajan: I have done a major update to Aksharamukha. The UI has been completely reformatted to look very modern (and mobile-friendly) and the backend has been rewritten in Python. The new converter can be now reached at http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/ Aksharamukha now supports 66 scripts that fall within the greater Indic cultural sphere. You can see a comparison here: http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/#/script-matrix/ You can read sample Texts (in Sanskrit/Pali) in all of the 66 scripts. http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/#/texts/nilakantha It has additionally individual script pages (showing the vowel/consonant repertoire), view syllabaries, conjuncts and even play some games to learn different scripts. Dev Raj Raja Sankar ?????????????????? Jataayu B'luru ??? ????????? ?????????????????? Selva Murali Udhaya Sankar ??????????? ?????????? Kris Srikanth https://aksharamukha.appspot.com/#/converter By Vinodh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Dec 3 05:24:32 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 18 21:24:32 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses: ??????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???? ??????? ??????? ???????????????? ????: ??????? Wherever I look, there is only Krishna Panduranga, assuming all different forms in his own creation. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 05:38:05 2018 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 18 11:08:05 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Updates and new look of Aksharamukha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Both the program and update is done by Vinodh Raj On Mon 3 Dec, 2018, 8:16 AM Krishnaprasad G Dear all > Here is Aksharamukha by Vinodh Rajan: > > I have done a major update to Aksharamukha. The UI has been completely > reformatted to look very modern (and mobile-friendly) and the backend has > been rewritten in Python. > > The new converter can be now reached at http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/ > > Aksharamukha now supports 66 scripts that fall within the greater Indic > cultural sphere. > > You can see a comparison here: > http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/#/script-matrix/ > > You can read sample Texts (in Sanskrit/Pali) in all of the 66 scripts. > http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/#/texts/nilakantha > > It has additionally individual script pages (showing the vowel/consonant > repertoire), view syllabaries, conjuncts and even play some games to learn > different scripts. > > Dev Raj Raja Sankar ?????????????????? Jataayu B'luru ??? ????????? > ?????????????????? Selva Murali Udhaya Sankar ??????????? ?????????? Kris > Srikanth > > https://aksharamukha.appspot.com/#/converter > By Vinodh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The new converter can be now reached at http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/ Aksharamukha now supports 66 scripts that fall within the greater Indic cultural sphere. You can see a comparison here: http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/#/script-matrix/ You can read sample Texts (in Sanskrit/Pali) in all of the 66 scripts. http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/#/texts/nilakantha It has additionally individual script pages (showing the vowel/consonant repertoire), view syllabaries, conjuncts and even play some games to learn different scripts. Dev Raj Raja Sankar ?????????????????? Jataayu B'luru ??? ????????? ?????????????????? Selva Murali Udhaya Sankar ??????????? ?????????? Kris Srikanth https://aksharamukha.appspot.com/#/converter By Vinodh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition, in the coming academic year, we celebrate the sixtieth anniversary of the founding of the ?Hoger Instituut voor Oosterse, Oosteuropese en Afrikaanse Taalkunde en Geschiedenis?, out of which our department and course program developed, under the presidency of Adriaan Scharp?. We look forward to welcoming you back in Ghent! Eva De Clercq Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse http://www.india.ugent.be/node/249 *Friday, December 21st * *Belgian Indology Day Celebrating Pr.Dr.Adriaan Scharp?* Ghent University Rozier 44, Magnel Wing, Library Lab II 9.00 ? *Eva De Clercq* *& Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse* Opening words on Adriaan Scharp??s work 9.30 ? *Christophe Vielle* On the history of Indology in Belgium 10.00 ? *Sander Hens* Connecting (hi)stories: North-Indian historical literature (ca. 1200?1500) from a global perspective *10.30 **?* *Coffee break* 11.00 ? *Ann Heirman *How to deal with dangerous and annoying animals: a *vinaya* perspective 11.30 ? *Simon Winant* Echoes of Vy?sa in the *P???avacarita* of Devaprabhas?ri 12.00 ? *Saartje Verbeke* Some Linguistic Features of the Old Kashmiri Language of the *B??as?rakath?* *12.30 **?* *Lunch* 13.30 ? *Leonid Kulikov* The Indo-Iranian myth of the primordial incest of Yam? and Yama and its (non-)Indo-European origins: From demonic to human sexuality? 14.00 ? *Robert Fulton* Divide and Conquer, Unite and Transcend. Reading the Yoga Sutras in a Non-dualistic light *14.30 ? Coffee break* 15.00 ? *Aaricia Ponnet* Morphosyntactic development in oral production data: differential case marking and agreement in Hindi as a heritage/second language 15.30 ? *Eve Tignol* Muslim mobilisation and the construction of New Delhi *16.00 ?* *OPENING OF THE EXHIBITION (2nd Floor, Magnel-Rozier Corner of the Library)* *16.30 ? RECEPTION* *(Library Main Hall)* -- Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse FWO Post-doctoral researcher Department of Languages and Cultures Ghent University Blandijnberg 2 B-9000 Ghent http://www.jainastudies.ugent.be/Gorisse https://ugent.academia.edu/MarieH%C3%A9l%C3%A8neGorisse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please ignore On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:31 PM Krishnaprasad G wrote: > [image: IMG-20181202-WA0000.jpg] > > [image: IMG-20181201-WA0015.jpg] > > [image: IMG-20181201-WA0012.jpg] > > [image: IMG-20181203-WA0021.jpg] > [image: IMG-20181203-WA0022.jpg] > > [image: IMG-20181203-WA0023.jpg] > > [image: IMG-20181203-WA0024.jpg] > > [image: IMG-20181203-WA0027.jpg] > > [image: IMG-20181203-WA0028.jpg] > > [image: IMG-20181203-WA0029.jpg] > > [image: IMG-20181203-WA0030.jpg] > > Dear all > difficulty is selecting ? cause the book has more than 5 designs > > Nirnaya Sagara fonts > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG-20181203-WA0023.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 9989 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please ignore > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:31 PM Krishnaprasad G < > krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: > >> [image: IMG-20181202-WA0000.jpg] >> >> [image: IMG-20181201-WA0015.jpg] >> >> [image: IMG-20181201-WA0012.jpg] >> >> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0021.jpg] >> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0022.jpg] >> >> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0023.jpg] >> >> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0024.jpg] >> >> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0027.jpg] >> >> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0028.jpg] >> >> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0029.jpg] >> >> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0030.jpg] >> >> Dear all >> difficulty is selecting ? cause the book has more than 5 designs >> >> Nirnaya Sagara fonts >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG-20181203-WA0020.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14226 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think the small spaces, which emulate the usage of many > manuscript scribes, is a major aid to legibility. I also consider it > aesthetically pleasing. > > My friend Alessandro Graheli has also made a Devanagari font recently. He > used it in his 2015 book on Jayanta, but he does not yet consider it ready > for public release. I attach a sample from the book. Alessandro thought > a lot about design, and with sophistication. He decided that a main > feature of his font would be the small m?tr?-spaces between ak?aras, and > you will see the result in the attached page. I think it works really > well. If one isn't alerted to the fact, one hardly notices it; yet it aids > smooth reading. > > The second comment I wish to make concerns the shaping of vertical strokes > in your font. In the original NS font samples, the vertical strokes do not > have parallel sides. They swell slightly from top to bottom. This is like > an extended serif. Again, I think it adds a unique flavour of the NS > fonts, and again aids legibility, visually balancing the complexity of the > upper parts of the Devanagari letters with a little weight at the bottom > parts. See the attached scans of your samples, with my comments. > > Thank you again for your work! This is going to be great, when you are > finished. > > Best, > Dominik > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > , > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > , > > Department of History and Classics > > , > University of Alberta, Canada > . > > South Asia at the U of A: > > sas.ualberta.ca > > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 10:07, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0020.jpg] >> OLD >> [image: IMG-20181201-WA0015.jpg] >> >> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:32 PM Krishnaprasad G < >> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> First 3 images are wrong. Please ignore >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:31 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181202-WA0000.jpg] >>>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181201-WA0015.jpg] >>>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181201-WA0012.jpg] >>>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0021.jpg] >>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0022.jpg] >>>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0023.jpg] >>>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0024.jpg] >>>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0027.jpg] >>>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0028.jpg] >>>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0029.jpg] >>>> >>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0030.jpg] >>>> >>>> Dear all >>>> difficulty is selecting ? cause the book has more than 5 designs >>>> >>>> Nirnaya Sagara fonts >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So I will work on it. > The comment about verticle stroke is very helpful thanks. > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:41 PM Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad, >> >> I am really interested in your font work. I have two main comments, that >> I hope will be welcome. >> >> First, one of the major features of the NS font is the small space in the >> m?tr? line between ak?aras. In your font, you have made a continuous >> head-line. I think the small spaces, which emulate the usage of many >> manuscript scribes, is a major aid to legibility. I also consider it >> aesthetically pleasing. >> >> My friend Alessandro Graheli has also made a Devanagari font recently. >> He used it in his 2015 book on Jayanta, but he does not yet consider it >> ready for public release. I attach a sample from the book. Alessandro >> thought a lot about design, and with sophistication. He decided that a >> main feature of his font would be the small m?tr?-spaces between ak?aras, >> and you will see the result in the attached page. I think it works really >> well. If one isn't alerted to the fact, one hardly notices it; yet it aids >> smooth reading. >> >> The second comment I wish to make concerns the shaping of vertical >> strokes in your font. In the original NS font samples, the vertical >> strokes do not have parallel sides. They swell slightly from top to >> bottom. This is like an extended serif. Again, I think it adds a unique >> flavour of the NS fonts, and again aids legibility, visually balancing the >> complexity of the upper parts of the Devanagari letters with a little >> weight at the bottom parts. See the attached scans of your samples, with >> my comments. >> >> Thank you again for your work! This is going to be great, when you are >> finished. >> >> Best, >> Dominik >> >> -- >> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >> , >> >> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >> , >> >> Department of History and Classics >> >> , >> University of Alberta, Canada >> . >> >> South Asia at the U of A: >> >> sas.ualberta.ca >> >> >> >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 10:07, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0020.jpg] >>> OLD >>> [image: IMG-20181201-WA0015.jpg] >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:32 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> First 3 images are wrong. Please ignore >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:31 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181202-WA0000.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181201-WA0015.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181201-WA0012.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0021.jpg] >>>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0022.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0023.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0024.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0027.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0028.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0029.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0030.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> Dear all >>>>> difficulty is selecting ? cause the book has more than 5 designs >>>>> >>>>> Nirnaya Sagara fonts >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The end of the curve of ? not touching the vertical line of the final consonant of a cluster does not look that great, though even many printed editions fall short in this respect. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:59 PM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > [image: IMG-20181201-WA0013.jpg] > Dear Dominik Wujastyk > > Initially, the design had gaps between the letters, check here attachment, > but I am getting suggestions to retain it now. So I will work on it. > The comment about verticle stroke is very helpful thanks. > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:41 PM Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: > >> Dear Krishnaprasad, >> >> I am really interested in your font work. I have two main comments, that >> I hope will be welcome. >> >> First, one of the major features of the NS font is the small space in the >> m?tr? line between ak?aras. In your font, you have made a continuous >> head-line. I think the small spaces, which emulate the usage of many >> manuscript scribes, is a major aid to legibility. I also consider it >> aesthetically pleasing. >> >> My friend Alessandro Graheli has also made a Devanagari font recently. >> He used it in his 2015 book on Jayanta, but he does not yet consider it >> ready for public release. I attach a sample from the book. Alessandro >> thought a lot about design, and with sophistication. He decided that a >> main feature of his font would be the small m?tr?-spaces between ak?aras, >> and you will see the result in the attached page. I think it works really >> well. If one isn't alerted to the fact, one hardly notices it; yet it aids >> smooth reading. >> >> The second comment I wish to make concerns the shaping of vertical >> strokes in your font. In the original NS font samples, the vertical >> strokes do not have parallel sides. They swell slightly from top to >> bottom. This is like an extended serif. Again, I think it adds a unique >> flavour of the NS fonts, and again aids legibility, visually balancing the >> complexity of the upper parts of the Devanagari letters with a little >> weight at the bottom parts. See the attached scans of your samples, with >> my comments. >> >> Thank you again for your work! This is going to be great, when you are >> finished. >> >> Best, >> Dominik >> >> -- >> Professor Dominik Wujastyk >> , >> >> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity >> , >> >> Department of History and Classics >> >> , >> University of Alberta, Canada >> . >> >> South Asia at the U of A: >> >> sas.ualberta.ca >> >> >> >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 10:07, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> [image: IMG-20181203-WA0020.jpg] >>> OLD >>> [image: IMG-20181201-WA0015.jpg] >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:32 PM Krishnaprasad G < >>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> First 3 images are wrong. 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First, regarding the i vocalization, I would like to know if you are restituting the historical glyphes, or if you are enhancing these. Because, if you are going to restitute the original glyphes there is no need in composing a dynamic i vocalization. Your vi?tu?ma?rha?nti example shows just two differing vocal bows of the i ? if at all ?, one more rounded and aimed at the vertical base (vi), and one straight and hence more open due to the conjunction (nti), or is it just me seeing it. If this is a consistent feature in the NirSag glyphes, it should be implemented into the font you are working on, I believe. If you are going to enhance the font, I would perhaps think about the suggestion made by Prof. Deshpande and add this feature, although admittingly it could be time consuming (I am trying it with another one). And, the less conjunctions you have in your font, the wider the vocalization will have to span its bow. To get an idea of the complexity regarding the font tables necessary ? once one?s adding more conjunctions and dynamic vocalizations ?, I have to recommend to take a look at the font tables of the Uttara & Chandas fonts developed by Mihail Bayaryn, they?re really really impressive! The gaps between the aks?aras are useful for Sanskrit readers at the very start, Alessandro Graheli?s font shows that really well; would there be any chance having this ?variation? implemented into the font like upright & italic for the Latin script, but changing between gaps on and off? With a historically adequate NirSag font in mind, one would have to stick to the original typeset. The e & ai vocalization seems to be inaccurate though, since the glyphes in the prints are not connected to the horizontal baseline whilst o & au indeed are connected to the vertical a? base, compare s?lo?ka with ma?he?s?va?re or s?ce?ti. Finally, may I ask on how many printed works the font is based? For example, working with Schlegel?s typeset, there are slight differences between works using his glyphes, e.g. if you compare Speijer?s Sanskrit Syntax with B?htlingk & Roth?s Sanskrit-W?rterbuch, there are conjunctions missing (dhva, ntva, etc.) or partly missing (stra, nta, etc.) in Speijer?s. It will be useful to have a look at and compare early printings as well as later ones. I am interested in the final font, keep up the good work! All the best, Raik Strunz ??????????? Raik Strunz, M.A. Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter Email: raik.strunz at indologie.uni-halle.de Tel.: +49 345 / 55 23656 Martin-Luther-Universit?t Halle-Wittenberg Institut f?r Altertumswissenschaften Seminar f?r Indologie Emil-Abderhalden-Stra?e 9 D-06108 Halle (Saale) www.indologie.uni-halle.de > Am 04.12.2018 um 05:34 schrieb Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY : > > Dear Krishnaprasad, > > One more thing I want to mention is that ideally the curve of short "i" over a consonant (?) should touch the vertical center line of a character like ??. With the increasing length of consonant clusters, ideally one needs a variable length for the curve of ?. Some computer fonts are able to do this, and others are not. The end of the curve of ? not touching the vertical line of the final consonant of a cluster does not look that great, though even many printed editions fall short in this respect. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:59 PM Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > Dear Dominik Wujastyk > > Initially, the design had gaps between the letters, check here attachment, but I am getting suggestions to retain it now. So I will work on it. > The comment about verticle stroke is very helpful thanks. > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:41 PM Dominik Wujastyk > wrote: > Dear Krishnaprasad, > > I am really interested in your font work. I have two main comments, that I hope will be welcome. > > First, one of the major features of the NS font is the small space in the m?tr? line between ak?aras. In your font, you have made a continuous head-line. I think the small spaces, which emulate the usage of many manuscript scribes, is a major aid to legibility. I also consider it aesthetically pleasing. > > My friend Alessandro Graheli has also made a Devanagari font recently. He used it in his 2015 book on Jayanta, but he does not yet consider it ready for public release. I attach a sample from the book. Alessandro thought a lot about design, and with sophistication. He decided that a main feature of his font would be the small m?tr?-spaces between ak?aras, and you will see the result in the attached page. I think it works really well. If one isn't alerted to the fact, one hardly notices it; yet it aids smooth reading. > > The second comment I wish to make concerns the shaping of vertical strokes in your font. In the original NS font samples, the vertical strokes do not have parallel sides. They swell slightly from top to bottom. This is like an extended serif. Again, I think it adds a unique flavour of the NS fonts, and again aids legibility, visually balancing the complexity of the upper parts of the Devanagari letters with a little weight at the bottom parts. See the attached scans of your samples, with my comments. > > Thank you again for your work! This is going to be great, when you are finished. > > Best, > Dominik > > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk , > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity, > Department of History and Classics , > University of Alberta, Canada. > South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca > > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 10:07, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > OLD > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:32 PM Krishnaprasad G > wrote: > First 3 images are wrong. Please ignore > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:31 PM Krishnaprasad G > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all > difficulty is selecting ? cause the book has more than 5 designs > > Nirnaya Sagara fonts > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are currently seeking proposals for new series: http://indica-et-buddhica.org/ieb-editor-series-proposal.pdf Details and forms can be found here: http://indica-et-buddhica.org/academic-author With best regards, Richard -- Richard Mahoney Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ T: +6433121699 M: +64210640216 r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Dec 5 03:38:25 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 18 19:38:25 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing with my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing with my Krishna verses ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?? ??? ? ??????????? ?????? ??? ??? ???????: ??????? O Krishna, why should I look for all your forms. In all the infinite forms, there is only one Krishna hidden. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20181206200457.Horde.nEYhhN21mClNInigTdpasbf@home.staff.uni-marburg.de> DEADLINE 31 DECEMBER 2018. Dear Colleagues, The IASS is happy to announce the Honorary Research Fellowship Beginning 1st March 2019 (with apologies for multiple postings). Any paying member of the IASS (International Association of Sanskrit Studies) is eligible for the HRF, if the scholar has received a PhD in Sanskrit or allied studies in the last five years beginning March 2015. The HRF is for research work to be conducted in South Asia for a period of at least two weeks in any field related to Sanskrit and allied studies. The DEADLINE for the written project proposal is 31 DECEMBER 2018. The honorary research fellowship, valued at 1000 Euros, will be announced annually, providing the IASS budget is able to sustain the expense. NOTE: Please send all proposals and/or queries to Associate Professor McComas Taylor of the IASS: McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au See the details here: http://www.sanskritassociation.org/images/pdf/IASS-Honorary-Research-Fellowship.pdf Thank you. J. Soni Secretary General of the IASS The website of the IASS: http://www.sanskritassociation.org/index.php -- From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Dec 7 00:48:10 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 18 16:48:10 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????????????? ??????? ?????????????????????: ? ??? ??? ???????? ???????????? ?????? ???? ??????? Searching for you here and there, O Krishna, even though I am blindfolded, whatever I pick up in my hands, it is all you, O Madhava. Madhav M. 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O Krishna, the chariot of my mind keeps on running to find you. Overcome by delusion, it has forgotten that you are the driver sitting on itself. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samuel.wright at ahduni.edu.in Sat Dec 8 05:53:01 2018 From: samuel.wright at ahduni.edu.in (Samuel Wright) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 18 11:23:01 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Scan of 'Catalogue of the Anup Sanskrit Library' (Raja and Sarma) Message-ID: Dear List, I am looking for a scan of: *Catalogue of the Anup Sanskrit Library* by C Kunhan Raja and K. Madhava Krishna Sarma, Bikaner: The Authority, [Govt. Press], 1944-1948. I am not able to find it in the usual places. Many thanks, Sam -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Jean Michel Delire Le 08.12.2018 06:53, Samuel Wright via INDOLOGY a ?crit?: > Dear List, > > I am looking for a scan of: > > _Catalogue of the Anup Sanskrit Library_ by C Kunhan Raja and K. > Madhava Krishna Sarma, Bikaner: The Authority, [Govt. Press], > 1944-1948. > > I am not able to find it in the usual places. > > Many thanks, > > Sam > > -- > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or unsubscribe) From gleb.sharygin at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 18:59:00 2018 From: gleb.sharygin at gmail.com (Gleb Sharygin) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 18 19:59:00 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_C=C5=AB=E1=B8=B7ava=E1=B9=83sa?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Dr. Rolf Heinrich Koch, Here are two volumes by W. Geiger : the translation and the edition of C??ava?sa https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.277108 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.447192 Kind regards, Gleb Sharygin PhD student, LMU Muenchen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Sun Dec 9 04:18:40 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 18 20:18:40 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ????????????? ? ?????????? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ??????? O Krishna, the driver of the chariot of my mind, take me anywhere. If I am taken by you, how will I go far from you. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mnstorm at mac.com Sun Dec 9 05:12:53 2018 From: mnstorm at mac.com (Mary Storm) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 18 10:42:53 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear All, I am looking at ordination lineages within kammatic Theravada practices. I know Michael Aung-Thwin has written a lot on this from the Burmese perspective. Has anyone described parallel structures from the Sri Lankan side? I am most grateful for suggestions, Mary Storm Sent from my iPad > On Dec 9, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Continuing my Krishna verses > > ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ????????????? ? > ?????????? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ??????? > O Krishna, the driver of the chariot of my mind, take me anywhere. If I am taken by you, how will I go far from you. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Dec 10 01:02:04 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 18 17:02:04 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????????: ?????? ??????? ???????? ? ??????????? ?????????? ???? ???? ???????: ??????? In reality, Krishna is formless, but the compassionate Lord assumed a form on the bank of Yamuna, born to please the whole world. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Dec 10 01:48:59 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 18 17:48:59 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Jagann=C4=81tha's_=C5=9Aabdakaustubha-=C5=9B=C4=81=E1=B9=87ottejana?= Message-ID: In some sources, I have seen a reference to a work of Jagann?thapa??ita titled ?abdakaustubha-???ottejana. This is evidently a critique of Bha??oji D?k?ita's ?abdakaustubha. I don't have access to the volume of NCC that may contain information regarding this text. If anyone has any information regarding this text or its manuscripts, please let me know. With best regards, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Dec 10 03:30:49 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 18 19:30:49 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0gSmFnYW5uxIF0aGEncyDFmmFiZGFrYXVzdHViaGEtxZvEgeG5h290dGVqYW5h?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, Mamata Ji, for this information. Will see if I can get hold of Bh?skara D?k?ita's ?abdakaustubhad??a?a. With best regards, Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 6:24 PM Mamata Dash wrote: > With regards, I mention that there is no such entry in the NCC volume. > Even the reference also not been given. But there is one entry named ?abdakaustubhad??a?a > by Bh?skara D?k?ita and the manuscript is available in Theosophical > Library, Adyar, Chennai. This is found in their Descriptive catalogue vol > XIII. no. 1825, but the cats says it is incomplete. > with regards > Mamata Dash (Mishra) > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 7:19 AM Madhav Deshpande wrote: > >> In some sources, I have seen a reference to a work of Jagann?thapa??ita >> titled ?abdakaustubha-???ottejana. This is evidently a critique of >> Bha??oji D?k?ita's ?abdakaustubha. I don't have access to the volume of >> NCC that may contain information regarding this text. If anyone has any >> information regarding this text or its manuscripts, please let me know. >> With best regards, >> >> Madhav M. Deshpande >> Professor Emeritus >> Sanskrit and Linguistics >> University of Michigan >> [Residence: Campbell, California] >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "???????????????????" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of SanskritPatna University,PatnaResidence-Kolkata: India -------- Original message --------From: Madhav Deshpande Date: 12/10/18 6:32 AM (GMT+05:30) To: Indology , Bharatiya Vidvat parishad , e-shabda-charcha-peeth , Jayaram Sethuraman , Ranjana Date , Indira Peterson , Antonia Ruppel Subject: {???????????????????} Continuing my Krishna verses Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????????: ?????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? ?????????? ???? ???? ???????: ???????In reality, Krishna is formless, but the compassionate Lord assumed a form on the bank of Yamuna, born to please the whole world. Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor EmeritusSanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan[Residence: Campbell, California] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Mon Dec 10 05:49:26 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 18 21:49:26 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0gQ29udGludWluZyBteSBLcmlzaG5hIHZlcnNlcw==?= In-Reply-To: <5c0dfdda.1c69fb81.601e4.c64b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: ?????????????????:, ?????? ?????????? ???? ? Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 9:47 PM jhakgirish wrote: > Respected Professor Deshpande > Pranamaami. > > ???????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? > ??????????? ??? ?????????????? ?????????? > ???????????? ??? ???? ??????????????????????? > ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ???????? > ??????????? > ????????? ??? ???? ??????? ????????????? > ??? ??????????? ?? ??????????????9-11 > ???????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????????? > ??? ??????????? ??????????????????7-24 > ???? ??????? ??????? ??????????????? > ????s?? ?????????? ???? ?????????????7-25 > ????????????? ???? ????????????? ???? > ??????????? ????????s???????? ??????????????? > ??????????????? ?? ?????? ????????? > ???????????????? ??????????????????? > ????????????????s?? ?????????????????? > ?????????? ???? ???? ???????????????????????????????? ?????? ??????? ????? > ???????? > ????????? ????? ?????? ??????????????s???? ??? ?? > ????????? ????????????? ?????????? ???????? > ??? ??????? ?????????????? > Girish K.Jha > Retd.University Professor > Dept. Of Sanskrit > Patna University,Patna > Residence-Kolkata: India > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Madhav Deshpande > Date: 12/10/18 6:32 AM (GMT+05:30) > To: Indology , Bharatiya Vidvat parishad < > bvparishat at googlegroups.com>, e-shabda-charcha-peeth < > e-shabda-charcha-peeth at googlegroups.com>, Jayaram Sethuraman < > sethu at stat.fsu.edu>, Ranjana Date , Indira > Peterson , Antonia Ruppel > Subject: {???????????????????} Continuing my Krishna verses > > Continuing my Krishna verses > > ?????????????: ?????? ??????? ???????? ? > ??????????? ?????????? ???? ???? ???????: ??????? > In reality, Krishna is formless, but the compassionate Lord assumed a form > on the bank of Yamuna, born to please the whole world. > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus > Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan > [Residence: Campbell, California] > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of SanskritPatna University,PatnaResidence-Kolkata: India -------- Original message --------From: Madhav Deshpande Date: 12/10/18 6:32 AM (GMT+05:30) To: Indology , Bharatiya Vidvat parishad , e-shabda-charcha-peeth , Jayaram Sethuraman , Ranjana Date , Indira Peterson , Antonia Ruppel Subject: {???????????????????} Continuing my Krishna verses Continuing my Krishna verses ?????????????: ?????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? ?????????? ???? ???? ???????: ???????In reality, Krishna is formless, but the compassionate Lord assumed a form on the bank of Yamuna, born to please the whole world. Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor EmeritusSanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan[Residence: Campbell, California] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Friedlander Associate Professor Hindi School of Culture, History and Language College of Asia and the Pacific Australian National University BPB E4.25 (Building #110) Canberra, ACT?2601 T: 61+ 2 6125 3126 E:?peter.friedlander at anu.edu.au W:?https://researchers.anu.edu.au/researchers/friedlander-pg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There being one and only one Krishna, nothing is unreal in reality. Madhav M. DeshpandeProfessor EmeritusSanskrit and LinguisticsUniversity of Michigan[Residence: Campbell, California] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhakgirish at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 16:08:05 2018 From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (jhakgirish) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 18 21:38:05 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses In-Reply-To: <44go2im0ecv722tb5ldiotbi.1544504508591@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5c0fe0e9.1c69fb81.2838a.de80@mx.google.com> Respected Professor DeshpandePranamaami.?????s?? ??????? ???? ?????????????? ???????????????? ???????? ???????????? ?? ???s??????????????? ???????????????? ??????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????? ????????? ??????? ????????????????????? ??? ????? ??????????????????Girish K.Jha Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Madhav Deshpande Date: 12/11/18 6:00 AM? (GMT+05:30) To: Indology , Bharatiya Vidvat parishad , e-shabda-charcha-peeth , Jayaram Sethuraman , Ranjana Date , Indira Peterson , Antonia Ruppel Subject: {???????????????????} Continuing my Krishna verses -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "?????????????? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY Date: 12/11/18 7:39 AM (GMT+05:30) To: Indology , Bharatiya Vidvat parishad , e-shabda-charcha-peeth , Jayaram Sethuraman , Ranjana Date , Indira Peterson , Antonia Ruppel Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Continuing my Krishna verses ??????? ??????? ??????????? ????: ?????????? ??? ?????????????? ?????? ???????: ???????Krishna is formless, with forms, and has a cosmic form as well. There being one and only one Krishna, nothing is unreal in reality. Madhav M. 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URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Wed Dec 12 21:00:03 2018 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 18 22:00:03 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Resumption of 'In an oil vat'. Message-ID: Dear List Members, A short fragment of the MPSutta (84?85, 90), the one that describes the last meal of the Buddha and his fatal illness, mentions one person 23 times ? by name and professional designation: *cundo kamm?raputto*, Cunda, the blacksmith. Is the number of these references not significant? Some translators, perhaps not wanting to strain the readers? patience, tend to reduce the phrase to the personal name only, as if the fact that the Buddha?s host was a *smith* was an unimportant detail. *Cunda the blacksmith* becomes *Cunda*. Oskar von Hin?ber is more radical. In his widely read and already classical paper (*Cremated like a King: The Funeral of the Buddha within the Ancient Indian Cultural Context*, ICPBS 2009) he does not mention Cunda, not even once. He refers there to what he calls *?a vessel made of iron and filled with sesame oil?;* a type of vat which, according to tradition, was used for cremating the bodies of anointed kings ? and, later on, of the Buddha himself. However, he does not link the material from which such vessels were made with the person of a smith, of an iron?maker appearing so conspicuously in the text. The majority of the specialists (among them John Strong) write rather about *?an iron oil vessel/tub/vat?*. But this is beyond the point. Von Hin?ber?s attention is directed at *oil*, not at *iron*. Apart from iron, the text does not mention any other economically important metal - neither copper nor bronze. In this sense we may say that the MPSutta is dominated by iron ? and steel. Could it be that the narrative relating the marvelous transformation of the Buddha?s human body into the everlasting relics was based on the procedures of iron smelting and hardening, the latter giving it, finally, the potential to create everlasting forms? Could the fact that the burning out of the Buddha?s body is stopped by cold water be devoid of any meaning? These are questions that ? to my mind ? demand answers. They may lead to an entirely new approach to research on the world of the MPSutta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Dec 12 23:46:16 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 18 15:46:16 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ?????? ?????????? ???? ???? ??????? ? ????????? ???????? ?????? ???????: ??????? Attracting the minds of the people, he takes them away from evil. The Lord takes away from everyone all that needs to be taken away. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Dec 13 16:51:22 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 18 08:51:22 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Krishna and the Cat Message-ID: Archana Venkatesan posted a beautiful photo of a cat on the procession palanquin of Nanguneri Perumal. I composed a few verses describing the friendship of the cat and Krishna. ?????????? ????????? ?????????????? ?????: ? ??? ?????? ??: ???????????: ?????????? ??? ?? This dark cat sits next to Krishna. They are both dark, and so their mutual affection is natural. ???????? ????????? ?????: ???????? ??: ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ???? ????????? ?? With Krishna's association, the cat turned into Krishna, and with the association of the cat, Krishna became the cat. ???????????????? ?????? ???: ?????? ? ????? ?????????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?? There is no difference whatsoever between Krishna and the cat. These are just two forms of Krishna in front of me. Madhav M. Deshpande Professor Emeritus Sanskrit and Linguistics University of Michigan [Residence: Campbell, California] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at Fri Dec 14 00:50:13 2018 From: Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at (Eltschinger, Vincent) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 18 00:50:13 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] (Relatively) New Publication Message-ID: <65681e9071834e02ad10a05d7261e3f7@oeaw.ac.at> Dear friends and colleagues, Those among you who are still happy with square brackets, footnotes and non-catchy titles might be interested in the following publication of ours: Vincent Eltschinger, John Taber, Michael Torsten Much, Isabelle Rati?: Dharmak?rti?s Theory of Exclusion (apoha). Part I : On Concealing. An Annotated Translation of Pram??av?rttikasvav?tti 24,16-45,12 (Pram??av?rttika 1.40-91). Tokyo 2018 : The International Institute for Buddhist Studies (Studia Philologica Buddhica, Monograph Series, 36). With all best wishes, The authors Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW Directeur d'?tudes ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at Fri Dec 14 11:03:27 2018 From: Vincent.Eltschinger at oeaw.ac.at (Eltschinger, Vincent) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 18 11:03:27 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] (Relatively) New Publication Message-ID: Dear John, I should have at least mentioned the ISBN. It appears in the following description of the book together with a few additional informations: Vincent Eltschinger, John Taber, Michael Torsten Much and Isabelle Rati?, Dharmak?rti?s Theory of Exclusion (apoha). Part I. On Concealing. An Annotated Translation of Pram??av?rttikasvav?tti 24,16?45,20 (Pram??av?rttika 1.40?91) (2018). Paper, xi, 211 pages. ISBN 978-4-906267-76-7. 1,100 yen. Regarding order and payment, please inquire of the Library of the International College for Postgraduate Buddhist Studies. Address: 2-8-9 Kasuga, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 112-0003, Japan Phone: (03) 5981-5277 Fax: (03) 5981-5283 E-mail: licabs at icabs.ac.jp With best regards, Vincent Vincent Eltschinger, korrespondierendes Mitglied der OeAW Directeur d'?tudes ?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes, Section des sciences religieuses Patios Saint-Jacques, 4-14 rue Ferrus - 75014 Paris vincent.eltschinger at ephe.sorbonne.fr 0033 1 56 61 17 34 / 0033 7 85 86 84 05 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de Fri Dec 14 11:46:45 2018 From: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de (Julia Hegewald) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 18 12:46:45 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Save the Date: EAAA conference, Ljbljana, Slovenia, 16.-20.9.2020 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <29649A79-7D53-4E75-B930-9CE67FFDC85D@uni-bonn.de> SAVE THE DATE! Dear colleagues, We would like to announce that the 3rd conference of the European Association for Asian Art and Archaeology will be hosted by Faculty of Arts, University of Ljubljana, Slovenia, between September 16th and 20th, 2020. Further details will be published on our website ea-aaa.eu in spring 2019. Prof. Dr. Julia A. B. Hegewald Professor of Oriental Art History Head of Department University of Bonn Institute of Oriental and Asian Studies (IOA) Department of Asian and Islamic Art History Adenauerallee 10 53113 Bonn Germany Email: julia.hegewald at uni-bonn.de www.aik.uni-bonn.de Tel. 0049-228-73 7213 Fax. 0049-228-73 4042 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Dec 14 14:43:03 2018 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 18 06:43:03 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Continuing my Krishna verses Message-ID: Continuing my Krishna verses ????????? ??? ????????: ????????????: ? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ????? ?? With Krishna being the one and only reality in the world, there is no difference between Krishna and a cat. Offer your salutations to Krishna or to a cat, and Krishna is sure to receive it. Madhav M. 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South Asia at the U of A: sas.ualberta.ca On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 09:59, Oliver Hellwig via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all, > > the data of the DCS are now open source. > > You find a download link and additional information on how to > build/explore the database on github (folder dcs): > > https://github.com/OliverHellwig/sanskrit > > The user interface of the corpus will probably be migrated to a new > server in the next weeks. > > Best, Oliver > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 06:59:28 2018 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 18 12:29:28 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] University/College Sanskrit courses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Dr. Ruppel, It's been a month since you originally posted your query about Sanskrit programs, so it is possible that someone has already told you about the following. But just in case it's of use to you and other members of the list, I thought I should mention that the Association for Asian Studies has partnered with the University of Wisconsin Madison to compile a database of institutions teaching Asian languages (among them several South and Southeast Asian languages, including Sanskrit); importantly, they have also built in the ability to easily search for distance learning programs in these languages. The database can be found here: https://aaslanguagedatabase.wisc.edu/ All best, Tyler On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:19 AM Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all, > > Ever since I linked to this list of universities offering Sanskrit > > > https://www.sai.uni-heidelberg.de/abt/IND/en/links/links.php?sanskrit_studies > > on my website, I have been receiving emails from kind people pointing me > to Sanskrit courses at institutions not included on here (and neither on > the lists offered on indology.info/links). A number of the links also > don't seem to be up-to-date anymore. > > Thus I thought it might be useful to ask: are you associated with a > college or university that teaches Sanskrit, and if so, would you please > send me your current preferred link to your course offerings (or programme > overview, or other relevant 'main' page)? It would be especially helpful if > you also pointed me to Sanskrit courses not offered in dedicated > Indology/Sanskrit departments, as those are courses that students/anyone > outside those institutions are far less likely to know about in advance. > > I'll wait for two weeks or so and will then send around a collated list. > (I would of course be delighted if anyone from Heidelberg or indology.info, > or any other list that I may have missed, then wanted to use that > information, too!) > > Thank you, as always, > Antonia > > -- > Dr Antonia Ruppel > allthingssanskrit.com > cambridge-sanskrit.org > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1544888979.S.94893.autosave.drafts.1544889653.7447@webmail.rediffmail.com> Dr.Karp Probably,Cunda Kamarputta may be translated as,"Cunda,son of a Black smith. It may also be rightly inferred that Mpsutta deals with Iron and not steel.Chronologically, India witnessed Iron age between 6th cent.BC- 2nd cent BC. Alakendu Das. Sent from RediffmailNG on Android From: Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 02:33:19 GMT+0530 To: indology <indology at list.indology.info> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Resumption of 'In an oil vat'. Dear List Members, A short fragment of the MPSutta (84?85, 90), the one that describes the last meal of the Buddha and his fatal illness, mentions one person 23 times ? by name and professional designation: cundo kamm?raputto, Cunda, the blacksmith. Is the number of these references not significant? Some translators, perhaps not wanting to strain the readers? patience, tend to reduce the phrase to the personal name only, as if the fact that the Buddha?s host was a smith was an unimportant detail. Cunda the blacksmith becomes Cunda. Oskar von Hin?ber is more radical. In his widely read and already classical paper (Cremated like a King: The Funeral of the Buddha within the Ancient Indian Cultural Context, ICPBS 2009) he does not mention Cunda, not even once. He refers there to what he calls ?a vessel made of iron and filled with sesame oil?; a type of vat which, according to tradition, was used for cremating the bodies of anointed kings ? and, later on, of the Buddha himself. However, he does not link the material from which such vessels were made with the person of a smith, of an iron?maker appearing so conspicuously in the text. The majority of the specialists (among them John Strong) write rather about ?an iron oil vessel/tub/vat?. But this is beyond the point. Von Hin?ber?s attention is directed at oil, not at iron. Apart from iron, the text does not mention any other economically important metal - neither copper nor bronze. In this sense we may say that the MPSutta is dominated by iron ? and steel. Could it be that the narrative relating the marvelous transformation of the Buddha?s human body into the everlasting relics was based on the procedures of iron smelting and hardening, the latter giving it, finally, the potential to create everlasting forms? Could the fact that the burning out of the Buddha?s body is stopped by cold water be devoid of any meaning? These are questions that ? to my mind ? demand answers. They may lead to an entirely new approach to research on the world of the MPSutta. _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Sat Dec 15 16:52:56 2018 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 18 17:52:56 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Resumption of 'In an oil vat'. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Artur Karp Date: sob., 15 gru 2018 o 17:46 Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Resumption of 'In an oil vat'. To: alakendu das Dear Alakendu (if I may address you so), the ending -*putta* may in the Pali rather mean - figuratively - 'of a group'. In this case *Cundo* *kamm?raputto *would mean 'Cundo of the smiths', 'Cunda the smith'. Like *buddhaputto* - which would mean - 'a follower of the Buddha', 'a Buddhist'. I'd be interested in the name, itself. Any etymology for 'Cunda'?. Iron Age? According to many - rather 1200 -300 BC. High quality steel already 300/200 BC. Respects, Artur Karp (ret.) South Asian Studies Deptt. University of Warsaw Poland sob., 15 gru 2018 o 17:01 alakendu das napisa?(a): > Dr.Karp > Probably,Cunda Kamarputta may be translated as,"Cunda,son of a Black smith. > It may also be rightly inferred that Mpsutta deals with Iron > and not steel.Chronologically, India witnessed Iron age between 6th > cent.BC- 2nd cent BC. > > Alakendu Das. > > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android > > > > > From: Artur Karp via INDOLOGY > Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 02:33:19 GMT+0530 > To: indology > Subject: [INDOLOGY] Resumption of 'In an oil vat'. > > Dear List Members, > > > A short fragment of the MPSutta (84?85, 90), the one that describes the > last meal of the Buddha and his fatal illness, mentions one person 23 times > ? by name and professional designation: *cundo kamm?raputto*, Cunda, the > blacksmith. > > Is the number of these references not significant? Some translators, > perhaps not wanting to strain the readers? patience, tend to reduce the > phrase to the personal name only, as if the fact that the Buddha?s host was > a *smith* was an unimportant detail. *Cunda the blacksmith* becomes > *Cunda*. > > Oskar von Hin?ber is more radical. In his widely read and already > classical paper (*Cremated like a King: The Funeral of the Buddha within > the Ancient Indian Cultural Context*, ICPBS 2009) he does not mention > Cunda, not even once. He refers there to what he calls *?a vessel made of > iron and filled with sesame oil?;* a type of vat which, according to > tradition, was used for cremating the bodies of anointed kings ? and, later > on, of the Buddha himself. However, he does not link the material from > which such vessels were made with the person of a smith, of an iron?maker > appearing so conspicuously in the text. The majority of the specialists > (among them John Strong) write rather about *?an iron oil vessel/tub/vat?*. > But this is beyond the point. Von Hin?ber?s attention is directed at *oil*, > not at *iron*. > > Apart from iron, the text does not mention any other economically > important metal - neither copper nor bronze. > > In this sense we may say that the MPSutta is dominated by iron ? and > steel. > > Could it be that the narrative relating the marvelous transformation of > the Buddha?s human body into the everlasting relics was based on the > procedures of iron smelting and hardening, the latter giving it, finally, > the potential to create everlasting forms? Could the fact that the burning > out of the Buddha?s body is stopped by cold water be devoid of any meaning? > > These are questions that ? to my mind ? demand answers. They may lead to > an entirely new approach to research on the world of the MPSutta. > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info