[INDOLOGY] Caste and Gender at the WSC

Thu Aug 16 09:23:16 UTC 2018

Mrs Vajpeyi,

Your words

" Kindly stop trying to justify, excuse, explain or dismiss what happened.
Stop pretending that everything is great because there are Vedic schools
for girls in existence somewhere out there. It won't do. "

show your utter lack of care for my expression of my intention and your
attribution of false motives to my posts.

I did not " justify, excuse, explain or dismiss " what happened. I said
that I was not present where things are alleged to have happened. I did not
say " everything is great because there are Vedic schools for girls in
existence somewhere out there. " Attributing meanings like " everything is
great " which are not there nor intended in my words is not proper way of
coresponding in an academic forum.

When the subject matter of Indology Sanskrit, India and its culture ( not
any incidents in a forum in a conference somewhere) are shown in bad light
by some of its students, ignoring several facts contradicting the negative
claims that are available in the Indian society ( not in any incidents in a
forum in a conference somewhere)  , I  pointed out the flaws in the claims.

At the most you could, as some did, can say that this is not the focus of
the thread.

But attributing false meanings and intentions is not correct.

Since I agree that this discussion is outside the focus of the discussion
here which seems to be   incidents in a forum in the WSC 2018, I shall stop
posting to this thread (these threads)

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Dr. Vajpeyi,
>
>
> It is all well and good to air your legitimate concerns on the Indology
> list. But I think that Dr. Hanneder's message shows us where significant
> action must be focused. It is now up to the IASS board, consultative
> committee, and regional directors
>
> http://www.sanskritassociation.org/board-members.php
>
> to take the issues at stake very seriously,
>
> or to go down with their ship.
>
>
> all best,
>
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'études,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Ananya Vajpeyi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:13:39 AM
> *To:* Indology
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Caste and Gender at the WSC
>
>
> Mr. Paturi and others,
>
> The existence of pāṭhaśālā-s and gurukula-s for girls and women in some
> corner of India does nothing to mitigate the fact that several WSC
> participants were downright offensive to the three speakers on the
> specially convened public forum on caste and gender in Sanskrit Studies.
> The basis of the interruptions, shouting, heckling and intimidation was
> primarily a kind of arrogance towards both women scholars like Professors
> Bose, Panwar and myself, and those who are perceived to belong to
> non-Brahmin castes, and therefore to be unwanted and unwelcome interlopers
> in Sanskrit.
>
> I entirely forgot to mention that many in the audience also insinuated
> that they were unable to follow the Sanskrit pronunciation of Professors
> Bose and Panwar, one of whom hails from Bengal and other from Haryana. The
> implication was that Sanskrit diction coloured by the speaker's vernacular
> language is unacceptable -- a laughable proposition, because who in India
> does not have one or other native local language which is her or his mother
> tongue. Someone even had the gall to ask Professor Bose to wear her glasses
> when she had trouble reading something out. The rudeness was intolerable.
> Again, the basis for these despicable interventions lay in deeply
> entrenched Brahminical notions of "purity" and "pollution", of "adhikara"
> and "bahishkara" -- whether based on caste, on gender, or on other
> registers of regional and linguistic identity.
>
> Kindly stop trying to justify, excuse, explain or dismiss what happened.
> Stop pretending that everything is great because there are Vedic schools
> for girls in existence somewhere out there. It won't do. A collective
> apology is owed us all and most especially Dr. Panwar. This concerns the
> founding principles and protocols of the world's largest professional
> organization of Sanskrit scholars, which has no business undermining the
> basic respect and dignity owed to each and every member, male or female,
> Indian or foreign. If the WSC cannot get its act together, we will ask
> every woman Sanskritist -- and every man as well, who has a conscience --
> to boycott the next meeting. Why would we come to a place where we are not
> treated on par with our male colleagues, and where basic and non-negotiable
> standards of professional courtesy are not maintained.
>
> Ananya Vajpeyi.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:15 AM, Ananya Vajpeyi <vajpeyi at csds.in> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Thanks to Dr. Audrey Truschke, Dr. Iris Farkhondeh and others who have
> taken up some of the points I raised in my article in the Hindu yesterday
> as regards the debacle of an (attempted) forum on caste and gender in
> Sanskrit Studies at the WSC Vancouver, held on July 10.
>
> As I have been working on an intellectual biography of Dr. Ambedkar for
> the past few years, I am quite well aware of the regressive politics around
> reservations, majoritarianism and caste more generally in Indian academic
> and public life. Seeing reactionary positions in these areas surface at the
> WSC was no surprise to me.
>
> Three things however, offended, angered and distressed me that evening
> that I could not elaborate on in the short space of a newspaper op-ed, that
> too meant for a general readership and not a small group of specialists
> like those on this list.
>
> One, that it was Dr. Kaushal Panwar and not really Professor Mandakranta
> Bose or me that the audience attacked most frontally. In other words, the
> vicious undercurrent was of caste, not gender. (Those who were present
> would recall that many of the most persistent interruptions and objections
> came from women).
>
> Two, that English and Sanskrit were used to intimidate, harass and silence
> Dr. Panwar, who is a Hindi speaker and does not have the fluency in English
> necessary for a heated altercation of the kind we were forced into that
> night -- although she did prepare her remarks in English out of respect for
> the overall protocols of the WSC, which was conducted primarily in English
> (with a few sessions in Sanskrit). This was linguistic bullying and nothing
> else. It compounded the message of social (caste-based) power and
> patriarchal (gender-based) domination that the hecklers and trolls in the
> audience were trying to convey.
>
> If I were not a Hindi speaker myself and able to speak with Dr. Panwar in
> asides, she would have been verbally lynched. It was infuriating that no
> member of the assembly -- organiser, office-bearers, moderator, spectators,
> senior faculty from UBC -- found any means to call out or control this
> aggressive register of humiliation directly targeting one speaker.
>
> Third, the use of the term "harijan", again aimed at Dr. Panwar. Would
> North American scholars (and I include here Indians teaching in North
> American universities and living in the US and Canada for long years)
> countenance the use of the term "negro" in an academic meeting in any other
> discipline? Only two very small categories of Indians still use "harijan"
> -- historians of nationalism (and I include myself in this number), and
> residual Gandhians (especially those who are very old and dated in their
> understanding of the cultural politics around this problematic word).
>
> But the way it was hurled at Dr. Panwar that night was offensive enough
> that even she momentarily lost her cool and reacted. I don't know what silo
> Indology pretends to be living in that there is no bottomline around
> politically salient and sensitive categories of identity like "dalit" and
> "harijan". The WSC owes Dr. Panwar an outright apology for the way she was
> spoken to by some very vociferous members of the audience.
>
> It rankled also that she was repeatedly addressed as "Kaushalya" -- an
> unwarranted and unacceptable Sanskritization of her name, which, as is
> conventional in many languages of Punjab and Haryana, is not marked for
> gender. Disagree all you like on the meaning of the Manusmṛti and the
> Ṛgveda, but nobody has any business distorting someone's proper name by way
> of a casteist slur.
>
> Never in India have I seen such appalling disrespect. The lynch-mob
> mentality was on naked display. I think the sense of entitlement and
> impunity came from being overseas, far from any larger, more diverse and
> complex social context which would immediately hold people responsible for
> such egregious behaviour and keep everyone's worst impulses in check.
> Anywhere but in a Sanskrit conference abroad, someone, at least one other
> person if not a large number, would have spoken up for Dr. Panwar.
>
> What really to my mind shattered completely the entire moral premise of
> this supposedly scholarly body was that the president of the IASS read us a
> lecture on the correct sāmāsa in "harijan" (hari-jana, as he would insist).
>
> If a mirror could be held up to Sanskrit and Indology, this forum was it.
> For those of you who have spent your life in these disciplines, who care
> about your scholarly community, and who follow a certain fundamental ethic
> of decency and courtesy towards students and colleagues, men and women,
> Indian and non-Indian, Hindu and non-Hindu, young and old, brahmin and
> non-brahmin, please take a moment to LOOK, and really see what's staring
> you in the face. I know from private discussions with Sanskritist friends
> and former teachers and classmates that the majority of those attending the
> conference were not in agreement with the way our forum was hijacked and
> vitiated.
>
> It's your professional organisation, it's your collegial association, it's
> for you to do some serious soul-searching and house-keeping. Personally I
> have never attended the WSC before and I may never do so again. So also Dr.
> Panwar, after her / our harrowing experience. But you all have to live with
> the consequences of what you have allowed to happen to your field of study.
> I say it's not too late for a course correction.
>
> Sincerely --
>
> Ananya Vajpeyi.
>
> --
>
> *Ananya Vajpeyi *
> *Fellow and Associate Professor*
> *Centre for the Study of Developing Societies*
> *29 Rajpur Road, Civil Lines*
> *New Delhi 110054*
> *e: vajpeyi at csds.in <vajpeyi at csds.in>*
> *ext: 229*
>
> *http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm
> <http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Ananya Vajpeyi *
> *Fellow and Associate Professor*
> *Centre for the Study of Developing Societies*
> *29 Rajpur Road, Civil Lines*
> *New Delhi 110054*
> *e: vajpeyi at csds.in <vajpeyi at csds.in>*
> *ext: 229*
>
> *http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm
> <http://www.csds.in/faculty_ananya_vajpeyi.htm> *
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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