From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 04:43:07 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 10:13:07 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Book
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"The quality of India's -military strength was seen very soon after
Alexander's return and death, when Seleucus attempted another invasion. He
was defeated by Chandragupta and driven back. Indian armies then had an
advantage which others lacked; this was the possession of trained
war-elephants, which might be compared to the tanks of to-day. Seleucus
Nikator obtained 500 of these war-elephants from India for his campaign
against Antigonus in Asia Minor in 302 B.C., and military historians say
that these elephants were the decisive factor in the battle which ended in
the death of Antigonus and the flight of his son Demetrius."

-- Discovery of India, pp 115

Focus is only on Nehru's awareness of wars in ancient India; not on the
historical validity of facts mentioned in this dated book .

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 11:55 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The intro to the book begins with the sentence:
>
> "Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru helped create the myth of a
> nonviolent ancient India while building a modern independence movement on
> the principle of nonviolence (*ahimsa*)."
>
> Even if the statement that these two leaders created the myth of
> non-violent ancient India can be substantiated through proper documented of
> where and how they created this myth, I can say with certainty that ancient
> India was never imagined during or later to the independence movement,
> either by the educated Indians or by the common public as an India without
> wars or without harsh punishments or without harsh ways of crime control
> etc. Wars etc. of ancient India were common place from the lowest level
> history text books, or the most common sense /layman's /non-professional
> books on history to the most professional university level books on
> history. Nationalist historiographers glorified the valour of the ancient
> Indian kings in their history writings. The legends about sahivaji contain
> descriptions of Jijiabai teaching young Shivaji , the stories of Ramayana
> and Mahabharata as stories of valour (whereas Anandavardhana looks at the
> angirasa of these books as S'aanta Rasa and some other authors of poetics,
> plays or poetry view Ramayana as a book of Karuna Rasa, my teacher views
> both these books as books of Dharma veera). Even the most ardent followers
> of Gandhi compared him to Buddha ,  Buddha now newly known as an epitome of
> non-violence through the modern history works unlike in the pre-modern
> Indian literature where he was either an avatar of Vishnu or a vaada
> poorvapakshin for the Vaidika schools of philosophy. The comparison of
> Gandhi selectively to Buddha was required only because the remaining
> picture of ancient India was dominated by the incidence of wars etc.
>
> I have to read Sri Upinder Singh's book to be able to say if the book is
> really an attempt to demolish a non-existent impression of India in the
> general Indian people.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> With apologies for cross-posting, I want to announce a wonderful new book
>> by Upinder Singh: Political Violence in Ancient India. It demolishes the
>> common stereotypes about non-violence etc. Published by Harvard.
>>
>> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674975279
>>
>> Patrick Olivelle
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 06:22:13 2017
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 17:22:13 +1100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Sanskrit-speaking village article
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrBLx6pwPK1MTem6UUa2YcDFA9qjfgsMEqdMFnM+gsE1-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Friends,

Please allow me to share with you a recent publication on a
"Sanskrit-speaking" village that has been published. I have also made some
short films about it this village called Jhiri, which is in MP. They are
available on YouTube "Imagining Sanskrit land".

https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/jsall.2017.4.issue-2/
jsall-2017-0007/jsall-2017-0007.xml

Thanks,

Patrick


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 07:00:10 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 12:30:10 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Sanskrit-speaking village article
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrDhTe=zX_mLZNruQHN5iRLtY7E_ykq4xX0ZFsNCNu_xRg@mail.gmail.com>
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The attempt to recreate day to day Sanskrit speaking seems to be leading to
a new day to day Prakrit speaking .

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:52 AM, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Please allow me to share with you a recent publication on a
> "Sanskrit-speaking" village that has been published. I have also made some
> short films about it this village called Jhiri, which is in MP. They are
> available on YouTube "Imagining Sanskrit land".
>
> https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/jsall.2017.4.issue-2/jsall-
> 2017-0007/jsall-2017-0007.xml
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 07:06:12 2017
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 18:06:12 +1100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Sanskrit-speaking village article
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9ebfH0Kt-0CGRFpcMvq16TTZz7j76bCv2Bc23ppROpOjtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Nagaraj

This exacting echoes my own thoughts on the matter!

On Oct 1, 2017 6:00 PM, "Nagaraj Paturi" <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:

> The attempt to recreate day to day Sanskrit speaking seems to be leading
> to a new day to day Prakrit speaking .
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:52 AM, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Please allow me to share with you a recent publication on a
>> "Sanskrit-speaking" village that has been published. I have also made some
>> short films about it this village called Jhiri, which is in MP. They are
>> available on YouTube "Imagining Sanskrit land".
>>
>> https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/jsall.2017.4.issue-2/jsall-
>> 2017-0007/jsall-2017-0007.xml
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 07:10:46 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 12:40:46 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Sanskrit-speaking village article
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrDEUo4xDFELDSF2+Ozb-MT_Lrm+VUyF6JUEeNz-X5p=uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eYrShhtgTw1P5XXzAjcmsMK_0EP=cKnqpyjJYxF=-YAHg@mail.gmail.com>

Unwittingly this seems to be working out as an experiment on the possible
ways in which ancient sociology of Sanskrit-Prakrit might have emerged by
'recreating' Sanskrit speaking in a certain Social class and Prakrit
speaking in the other ones. Prakrit 'revival' is a bonus to Sanskrit
'revival'.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 12:36 PM, patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nagaraj
>
> This exacting echoes my own thoughts on the matter!
>
> On Oct 1, 2017 6:00 PM, "Nagaraj Paturi" <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The attempt to recreate day to day Sanskrit speaking seems to be leading
>> to a new day to day Prakrit speaking .
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:52 AM, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> Please allow me to share with you a recent publication on a
>>> "Sanskrit-speaking" village that has been published. I have also made some
>>> short films about it this village called Jhiri, which is in MP. They are
>>> available on YouTube "Imagining Sanskrit land".
>>>
>>> https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/jsall.2017.4.issue-2/jsall-
>>> 2017-0007/jsall-2017-0007.xml
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 10:58:03 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 16:28:03 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Book
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eZGv_19S1FCCV84s+F4xL_xyzC_k33KpNJ+pK0hVr9PdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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1. Non-violence in Vedic tradition being independent of Buddhism / Jainism
should not be surprising because expressions of non-violence or expressions
such as "Ye, don't commit violence against...." are part of mantras of
Rigveda and Yajurveda themselves. There are several mantras ending in ??
???????



2. But the characteristic of Vedic tradition which baffles a non-discerning
observer is the thriving of its ideal of non-violence  always alongside its
allowance to harm, kill, punish etc. There are Vedic mantras instructing to
harm/kill harmful entities. Some mantras express a wish for courage,
strength to succeed in such harming/ killing / punishing.



That one way of looking at 'non-violence' is to save entities vulnerable to
violence from such violence by resorting to violence against those
committing violence against such vulnerable creatures is a subtle
understanding of non-violence inherent in the Vedic world-view. ???????? or
?????????? is an agent of such non-violence (no violence against the weak /
vulnerable).



3. It is this subtle understanding of violence and /or non-violence rooted
in the Vedic tradition right from the Veda mantras that is inherent in
Mahabharata that fails a superficial reader of it in understanding the
congruence of ?????? ???? ????? with the remaining parts of the book that
make the book appear to be a book of war.



4. Let us take the portions of the book that can not but be integral to the
book and see if they have vegetarianism and non-violence.



One such portion is  ???????? , ???????????????? ? It can not but be
integral to the book because it provides the source of the name of the book
itself. It is the story of the birth of the ???????? of the ??? after which
the book is named. The book or at least its early chapter is a ????????? and
is structured as such. Within that ????????? , this portion is the most
vital one because it is the story of the birth of the ???????? of the ??? after
which the book is named.



Now, in that story, one of the most significant characters is ???? ???????



???? is described in that narrative as a vegetarian, non-violent sage.



His non-violence is indicated through the description:



???? ??????????????????????????????????? ?? ||??||



He (Dushyanta) was pleased to see even wild animals being mild (gentle)
there (in Kanva's ashram)



Entire ashram is described in detail. Not even a single violent activity is
described. Shaastras studied there are described.



in detail. None of them is a shaastra related to wars or such violent
activities.



When asked about Kanva, Shakuntala says,



??? ???? ?? ??????????????????????????? | ???????? ??????????????
????????????????????? ||?||



Bharata growing on that campus, is described as



?????????? ???? |

??????? ?? ???? ? ???????????? ????? | ?????????????????????????? ???????
??????????? ||?|| ??????? ???????? ????????????? ??????? | ???????????????
????????? ???????? ||?||



This violence by Bharata is not condemned by the extremely non-violent
sages there.





Moreover they praised him for the valour and gave the title Sarvadamana to
him.



??????? ??? ????????? ????????????????? | ???????? ???????? ????? ??
????????? ||?||



Why did Dushyanta go there? For the violent activity of hunting.



But he showed extreme respect towards the extremely non-violent sages lead
by Kanva.



Non-violent sages encouraged violent Bharata and violent Dushyanta showed
utmost respect for the non-violent sages.



(to be continued)



Why non-violent sages encouraged violent Bharata?



Since ???????? or ?????????? as an agent of such non-violence (no violence
against the weak / vulnerable), needs valour.



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



One of the most prominent faces of movements of non-violent movements and
environmentalist movements today is the anti-war philosophy.



Is Mahabharata an anti-war book?



What is the angirasa of Mahabharata according to Anandavardhana?



??nta.



What is the sth?y?bh?va of ??nta?



nirv?da or ?ama.



What does that mean?



Aanandavardhanaachaarya of 9th century AD read the book as the one with
vair?gya as the central emotion, not as a book of war and violence.



-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Is there an internal evidence in the book for the view that the book is an
anti-war book?



What is the udy?ga (effort) in udy?gaparva?



The parva has simultaneous efforts of preparation for war and prevention of
war.



Let us take bhagavady?naparva portion of udy?gaparva.



There is a huge anti-war portion of  the lecture by Yudhi??hira here.



?????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ?????? |

-------------------------------- ||??||



--------------------------------

--------------------------------



??? ???? ???????? ?????????? ??????? |

???? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ||??||

????????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? | ?????????? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ||
??||



and so on.



Does this mean that the entire discussion is anti-war? There is a long
debate back and forth for and against war in this episode. Among many
arguments offered in justification of war, the one that repeatedly crops up
is the justifiability of punishment to the offenders of Draupadi.



Then what is the whole context of the anti-war talk ?



The line of argument in all the lectures including that of Sri Krishna is
that to prevent war is the foremost priority as per Dharma. But to allow
the villains to grab the portion of kingdom even after the condition of
vanav?sa and aj??tav?sa is fulfilled is also not Dharma. After all the
Dharmas are balanced, the net result is that war should be executed only as
the last resort only after exhausting all the options available for
preventing the war .



This priority for prevention of war is what is being highlighted here as
part of the discussion on non-violence.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "The quality of India's -military strength was seen very soon after
> Alexander's return and death, when Seleucus attempted another invasion. He
> was defeated by Chandragupta and driven back. Indian armies then had an
> advantage which others lacked; this was the possession of trained
> war-elephants, which might be compared to the tanks of to-day. Seleucus
> Nikator obtained 500 of these war-elephants from India for his campaign
> against Antigonus in Asia Minor in 302 B.C., and military historians say
> that these elephants were the decisive factor in the battle which ended in
> the death of Antigonus and the flight of his son Demetrius."
>
> -- Discovery of India, pp 115
>
> Focus is only on Nehru's awareness of wars in ancient India; not on the
> historical validity of facts mentioned in this dated book .
>
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 11:55 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The intro to the book begins with the sentence:
>>
>> "Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru helped create the myth of a
>> nonviolent ancient India while building a modern independence movement on
>> the principle of nonviolence (*ahimsa*)."
>>
>> Even if the statement that these two leaders created the myth of
>> non-violent ancient India can be substantiated through proper documented of
>> where and how they created this myth, I can say with certainty that ancient
>> India was never imagined during or later to the independence movement,
>> either by the educated Indians or by the common public as an India without
>> wars or without harsh punishments or without harsh ways of crime control
>> etc. Wars etc. of ancient India were common place from the lowest level
>> history text books, or the most common sense /layman's /non-professional
>> books on history to the most professional university level books on
>> history. Nationalist historiographers glorified the valour of the ancient
>> Indian kings in their history writings. The legends about sahivaji contain
>> descriptions of Jijiabai teaching young Shivaji , the stories of Ramayana
>> and Mahabharata as stories of valour (whereas Anandavardhana looks at the
>> angirasa of these books as S'aanta Rasa and some other authors of poetics,
>> plays or poetry view Ramayana as a book of Karuna Rasa, my teacher views
>> both these books as books of Dharma veera). Even the most ardent followers
>> of Gandhi compared him to Buddha ,  Buddha now newly known as an epitome of
>> non-violence through the modern history works unlike in the pre-modern
>> Indian literature where he was either an avatar of Vishnu or a vaada
>> poorvapakshin for the Vaidika schools of philosophy. The comparison of
>> Gandhi selectively to Buddha was required only because the remaining
>> picture of ancient India was dominated by the incidence of wars etc.
>>
>> I have to read Sri Upinder Singh's book to be able to say if the book is
>> really an attempt to demolish a non-existent impression of India in the
>> general Indian people.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I want to announce a wonderful new
>>> book by Upinder Singh: Political Violence in Ancient India. It demolishes
>>> the common stereotypes about non-violence etc. Published by Harvard.
>>>
>>> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674975279
>>>
>>> Patrick Olivelle
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun Oct  1 13:58:41 2017
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 06:58:41 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Sanskrit-speaking village article
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eYrShhtgTw1P5XXzAjcmsMK_0EP=cKnqpyjJYxF=-YAHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcdUh8Zo_7EJNaqGMnnZ+vbHSVomPHVE0vy+r5etRvy7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Nagarajji,

Your comments are absolutely on the dot.  The propogated home Sanskrit is a
wonderful experiment in detecting the interaction between the actual
mother-tongue like Hindi or Kannada, and the acquired second language like
Sanskrit.  A Marathi friend of mine who tries to speak Sanskrit once said:
"?: ??????? ??:" with the intended meaning "He went directly [without
stopping here]."  This usage became possible because the word ?????? in
Marathi has that meaning, though Sanskrit does not classically have this
meaning for this expression.

Madhav Deshpande
Campbell, California, USA

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Unwittingly this seems to be working out as an experiment on the possible
> ways in which ancient sociology of Sanskrit-Prakrit might have emerged by
> 'recreating' Sanskrit speaking in a certain Social class and Prakrit
> speaking in the other ones. Prakrit 'revival' is a bonus to Sanskrit
> 'revival'.
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 12:36 PM, patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Nagaraj
>>
>> This exacting echoes my own thoughts on the matter!
>>
>> On Oct 1, 2017 6:00 PM, "Nagaraj Paturi" <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The attempt to recreate day to day Sanskrit speaking seems to be leading
>>> to a new day to day Prakrit speaking .
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:52 AM, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>> Please allow me to share with you a recent publication on a
>>>> "Sanskrit-speaking" village that has been published. I have also made some
>>>> short films about it this village called Jhiri, which is in MP. They are
>>>> available on YouTube "Imagining Sanskrit land".
>>>>
>>>> https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/jsall.2017.4.issue-2/jsall-
>>>> 2017-0007/jsall-2017-0007.xml
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>>
>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>>
>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>>
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From martingansten at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 14:59:34 2017
From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 16:59:34 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Agnid=C4=81ha?=
Message-ID: <4008eef3-39c1-d38e-d6a5-89438988f38c@gmail.com>

Monier-Williams (relying on B?htlingk/Roth) explains the word agnid?ha 
as 'a particular disease'. Is there any more precise information out 
there on which particular disease this might be?

Thanks in advance,
Martin Gansten






From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 16:18:23 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 21:48:23 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Sanskrit-speaking village article
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzcdUh8Zo_7EJNaqGMnnZ+vbHSVomPHVE0vy+r5etRvy7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eaZsrkpyMGwoFFNNm8ggmh_S0-Ki-+EoBwNoU+FY7JpOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Madhavji, for appreciating the view. You are the expert on the
sociology of Sanskrit-Prakrit. Among the simultaneously equally valid views
of 1. Sanskrit as the refined version of Prakrit and 2. Prakrit as the
rustic version of Sanskrit, your example supports #1, Patrick-ji's
observation supports #2. #1 is supported by the etymologies of the names
Sanskrit and Prakrit. #2 is what is opined by Bhartrihari and others in
verses such as amb?mb?ti yath? b?lah.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Dear Nagarajji,
>
> Your comments are absolutely on the dot.  The propogated home Sanskrit is
> a wonderful experiment in detecting the interaction between the actual
> mother-tongue like Hindi or Kannada, and the acquired second language like
> Sanskrit.  A Marathi friend of mine who tries to speak Sanskrit once said:
> "?: ??????? ??:" with the intended meaning "He went directly [without
> stopping here]."  This usage became possible because the word ?????? in
> Marathi has that meaning, though Sanskrit does not classically have this
> meaning for this expression.
>
> Madhav Deshpande
> Campbell, California, USA
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Unwittingly this seems to be working out as an experiment on the possible
>> ways in which ancient sociology of Sanskrit-Prakrit might have emerged by
>> 'recreating' Sanskrit speaking in a certain Social class and Prakrit
>> speaking in the other ones. Prakrit 'revival' is a bonus to Sanskrit
>> 'revival'.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 12:36 PM, patrick mccartney <
>> psdmccartney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nagaraj
>>>
>>> This exacting echoes my own thoughts on the matter!
>>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2017 6:00 PM, "Nagaraj Paturi" <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The attempt to recreate day to day Sanskrit speaking seems to be
>>>> leading to a new day to day Prakrit speaking .
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:52 AM, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please allow me to share with you a recent publication on a
>>>>> "Sanskrit-speaking" village that has been published. I have also made some
>>>>> short films about it this village called Jhiri, which is in MP. They are
>>>>> available on YouTube "Imagining Sanskrit land".
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/jsall.2017.4.issue-2/jsall-
>>>>> 2017-0007/jsall-2017-0007.xml
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>> committee)
>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>
>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>>>
>>>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>>>
>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>
>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>
>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From martingansten at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 17:29:51 2017
From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 19:29:51 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Agnid=C4=81ha?=
In-Reply-To: <20171001180854.Horde.C5qZN1o6-P24ThdUZuR0zqF@home.staff.uni-marburg.de>
Message-ID: <e174f669-cf0a-75f6-d505-863243ea8d2f@gmail.com>

Many thanks to Roland Steiner and Lubom?r Ondra?ka for pointing out that 
B?htlingk's later /Sanskrit-W?rterbuch in k?rzerer Fassung /in fact 
gives 'Brandwunde' as the meaning of agnid?ha, rather than the name of a 
disease. This was how I had first understood the word, before I happened 
upon the MW entry.

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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 17:55:59 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 23:25:59 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Agnid=C4=81ha?=
In-Reply-To: <e174f669-cf0a-75f6-d505-863243ea8d2f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eY5o8=kQpEtKfQP5iKTH6WJpUb1xHSzoHRGbidOouQSfw@mail.gmail.com>

 d?ha is the name/symptom of a disease :

https://easyayurveda.com/2014/06/24/burning-sensation-ayurvedic-understanding-treatment/

agnid?ha is not found in the list on this page.

treatment of burns is discussed here:

http://www.sanskritimagazine.com/vedic_science/treatments-burns-ancient-india/

dagdha but not d?ha is found here.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Many thanks to Roland Steiner and Lubom?r Ondra?ka for pointing out that
> B?htlingk's later *Sanskrit-W?rterbuch in k?rzerer Fassung *in fact gives
> 'Brandwunde' as the meaning of agnid?ha, rather than the name of a disease.
> This was how I had first understood the word, before I happened upon the MW
> entry.
>
> Martin G.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> committee)
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>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 18:00:57 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 23:30:57 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Agnid=C4=81ha?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eY5o8=kQpEtKfQP5iKTH6WJpUb1xHSzoHRGbidOouQSfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eYC_gEOxP5ZVNYnry47=O5hh2NF9gf7D+DDaNCGvOOQQA@mail.gmail.com>

Word index here
<https://books.google.co.in/books?id=G53Zo5ryDDgC&pg=PA752&lpg=PA752&dq=agni+daha&source=bl&ots=tbBo5FKRJv&sig=6GmMUSSC_mXJB58TiLCuATZBvVA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX7OCDgNDWAhVKK48KHfQbD-s4ChDoAQgmMAA#v=onepage&q=agni%20daha&f=false>
has
these words.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  d?ha is the name/symptom of a disease :
>
> https://easyayurveda.com/2014/06/24/burning-sensation-
> ayurvedic-understanding-treatment/
>
> agnid?ha is not found in the list on this page.
>
> treatment of burns is discussed here:
>
> http://www.sanskritimagazine.com/vedic_science/treatments-
> burns-ancient-india/
>
> dagdha but not d?ha is found here.
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks to Roland Steiner and Lubom?r Ondra?ka for pointing out that
>> B?htlingk's later *Sanskrit-W?rterbuch in k?rzerer Fassung *in fact
>> gives 'Brandwunde' as the meaning of agnid?ha, rather than the name of a
>> disease. This was how I had first understood the word, before I happened
>> upon the MW entry.
>>
>> Martin G.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From adheesh1 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 23:04:21 2017
From: adheesh1 at gmail.com (adheesh sathaye)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 16:04:21 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] REMINDER: World Sanskrit Conference 2018 Proposals Due Today! (Oct. 1, 2017)
Message-ID: <F0B2C936-1228-47DB-913D-AF3C0B6DACD1@gmail.com>

REMINDER: WSC 2018 Proposals Due Today! (Oct. 1, 2017)
17th World Sanskrit Conference
Vancouver, Canada ? July 9-13, 2018

Dear Colleagues,

This announcement is to remind you that today, OCTOBER 1, 2017, is the FINAL DAY to submit an individual paper abstract for consideration for the 17th World Sanskrit Conference, to be held in Vancouver, Canada, July 9-13, 2018. If you have not yet submitted your abstract, please be sure to visit the WSC website, wsc.ubcsanskrit.ca, and submit your proposal as soon as you can!

If you are unable to submit your proposal in time, please note that we have decided to keep the submission portal OPEN beyond the deadline, and will continue to accept late submissions. However, these late submissions will be handled on a case-by-case basis by the WSC Organizing Committee, and we reserve the right to decline any late submission.

All submissions must be made through the WSC2018 online submissions portal. To begin the  process, please visit: https://wsc.ubcsanskrit.ca/ocs/wsc/2018/schedConf/cfp, where you will find specific instructions for preparing a submission. If you have already submitted an abstract, you may still login to the portal through this same link, and manage your submission, edit the abstract, and track its progress.

Please note: all presenters within the SPECIAL PANELS are asked to submit their abstracts as individual papers, using the section "Special Panel" rather than one of the other 24 regular sections.

If you encounter any difficulties with the portal please get in touch with the WSC Secretariat (wsc2018 at ubcsanskrit.ca), and we will assist you in the process. We look forward to your submission and to welcome you to Vancouver in July 2018.

Some additional tips and notes:

* All proposals must be made through the online portal. We CANNOT accept emailed scans or PDFs sent to the Secretariat.
* Because of limited space and time, each presenter may submit only one individual paper abstract for inclusion in the conference.
* Papers may be delivered in Sanskrit, English, or French, with abstracts submitted in the same language. All correspondence with the Secretariat should also be in one of these three languages.
* A list of the 21 regular and 3 special sections of the WSC can be found here: https://wsc.ubcsanskrit.ca/info/sections/.
* As you select your section during the proposal submission process, you may find that you need to scroll down *within* the menu to find sections 16 and beyond, depending on how your computer or device is set up.
* Abstracts should be prepared using Unicode input methods, and you should use a modern operating system (Mac OSX, Linux, Windows 7+, and most smartphones and tablets). Please note that the WSC website does not function on devices running Windows XP.
* Review of papers will begin in October 2017 and results will be announced January 2018 (early confirmation for visa purposes will be available in November 2017 for applicants from South/Southeast Asia).

As always, for up-to-date information, please consult the main conference website, wsc.ubcsanskrit.ca, and do not hesitate to contact the WSC2018 Secretariat (wsc2018 at ubcsanskrit.ca) for further assistance.

============================================================

?
Adheesh Sathaye
University of British Columbia









From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 01:49:37 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 19:49:37 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Agnid=C4=81ha?=
In-Reply-To: <4008eef3-39c1-d38e-d6a5-89438988f38c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CeRr8sCSm8qjEUGYcaeWHCvZgNJ9Z0AdM3+XqEX3=2Q8A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Martin and friends,

Some time back, I uploaded the volumes of the *Ayurvediya Sabdakosa* by
Josi and Josi to archive.org.  These volumes are a precious resource for
ayurvedic vocab.  "*Agnidagdha*" and "*agnid?ha*" are on v.1, page five
<https://archive.org/stream/AyurvediyaSabdakosa1968/Ayurvediya%20Sabdakosa-v1_1968#page/n25/mode/1up>,
with clear meanings and some references.

I recommend these volumes to everyone for checking out puzzling ayurvedic
words.

Best,
Dominik


?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
??


On 1 October 2017 at 08:59, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Monier-Williams (relying on B?htlingk/Roth) explains the word agnid?ha as
> 'a particular disease'. Is there any more precise information out there on
> which particular disease this might be?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Martin Gansten
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 02:01:34 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 20:01:34 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Book
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eY1Ttpj=f6jvpsbOT7nvoE5K8BrSCgXGgfWg4oNJH3u5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdQGGML5+3yJpEUm69vPmJdefUHd875z7YiDQ8P7r1ntw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Prof. Paturi,

I beg to differ.  You said

 I can say with certainty that ancient India was never imagined during or
> later to the independence movement, either by the educated Indians or by
> the common public as an India without wars or without harsh punishments or
> without harsh ways of crime control etc. ?


?A few years ago, I had the ?honour to attend a private dinner with one of
India's ambassadors to a European country, together with his lady wife.
During the dinner conversation, Madam Ambassador insisted that there had
never been any conflict in ancient India, that India was a land of peace
and harmony and always had been.  I mentioned several wars in pre-modern
India, but she contradicted me.  I hardly knew what to say, so I stuttered,
"what about the arrival of Islam?"  She said, "when the Muslims arrived, we
welcomed them with open arms as our brothers."  Her husband did not
contradict her.

I do not know what history books this distinguished lady had at school, and
she was not a scholar.  It doesn't matter really.  But she stands as a
clear example of a point of view that certainly exists in the minds of some
people, regardless of social station.

Best,
Dominik

?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 02:04:54 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 17 20:04:54 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] [RISA-L LIST] New Book
In-Reply-To: <A972EDD2-B97D-4077-AC08-CE6EA94937BA@austin.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Ce=RpBQQgC1jdBFYw54-56MR64C-DTFi7bRY9BAUqw4wQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for this info, Patrick.  I've been making her *History of Ancient
and Early Medieval India *a set text for my courses for several years now,
and it's very good indeed (but sadly she hadn't read your *Kingship, Law
and Governance* before her book was published, so the Mauryan chapter needs
to be redone).

I look forward to reading the new one.

Best,
Dominik


?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
??


On 30 September 2017 at 07:29, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

> With apologies for cross-posting, I want to announce a wonderful new book
> by Upinder Singh: Political Violence in Ancient India. It demolishes the
> common stereotypes about non-violence etc. Published by Harvard.
>
> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674975279
>
> Patrick Olivelle
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 04:14:22 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 17 09:44:22 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] [RISA-L LIST] New Book
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Ce=RpBQQgC1jdBFYw54-56MR64C-DTFi7bRY9BAUqw4wQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eaHM5yVpMSZ8LGHVKMn0-_65T+CU8eD0WMQ1UE6Lsj67A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Prof. Dominik Wjastyk,

"a point of view that certainly exists in the minds of some people"
certainly provides an exception to my

'I can say with certainty that ancient India was never imagined during or
later to the independence movement, either by the educated Indians or by
the common public as an India without wars or without harsh punishments or
without harsh ways of crime control etc. ?'

Are books written to counter 'a point of view that  exists in the minds of
some people' ?



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:34 AM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Thanks for this info, Patrick.  I've been making her *History of Ancient
> and Early Medieval India *a set text for my courses for several years
> now, and it's very good indeed (but sadly she hadn't read your *Kingship,
> Law and Governance* before her book was published, so the Mauryan chapter
> needs to be redone).
>
> I look forward to reading the new one.
>
> Best,
> Dominik
>
>
> ?
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ?,?
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ?,?
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ?,?
> University of Alberta, Canada
> ?.?
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> ?sas.ualberta.ca?
> ??
>
>
> On 30 September 2017 at 07:29, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> With apologies for cross-posting, I want to announce a wonderful new book
>> by Upinder Singh: Political Violence in Ancient India. It demolishes the
>> common stereotypes about non-violence etc. Published by Harvard.
>>
>> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674975279
>>
>> Patrick Olivelle
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> PLEASE post to this list ONLY from an email account that has been
>> subscribed.
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BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

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From hr at ivs.edu  Mon Oct  2 05:03:36 2017
From: hr at ivs.edu (HR)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 17 06:03:36 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] [RISA-L LIST] New Book
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eaHM5yVpMSZ8LGHVKMn0-_65T+CU8eD0WMQ1UE6Lsj67A@mail.gmail.com>
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Interesting point. Does the book attempt to document the history and prevalence of the misconception itself? Or does it only document the history and prevalence of violence in India?s past?


> On Oct 2, 2017, at 5:14 AM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Prof. Dominik Wjastyk,
> 
> "a point of view that certainly exists in the minds of some people" certainly provides an exception to my 
> 
> 'I can say with certainty that ancient India was never imagined during or later to the independence movement, either by the educated Indians or by the common public as an India without wars or without harsh punishments or without harsh ways of crime control etc. ?'
> 
> Are books written to counter 'a point of view that  exists in the minds of some people' ?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:34 AM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Thanks for this info, Patrick.  I've been making her History of Ancient and Early Medieval India a set text for my courses for several years now, and it's very good indeed (but sadly she hadn't read your Kingship, Law and Governance before her book was published, so the Mauryan chapter needs to be redone).
> 
> I look forward to reading the new one.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik
> 
> 
> ?--
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>?,?
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity?,?
> Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>?,?
> University of Alberta, Canada?.?
> South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca? <http://sas.ualberta.ca/>??
> 
> 
> On 30 September 2017 at 07:29, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu <mailto:jpo at austin.utexas.edu>> wrote:
> With apologies for cross-posting, I want to announce a wonderful new book by Upinder Singh: Political Violence in Ancient India. It demolishes the common stereotypes about non-violence etc. Published by Harvard.
> 
> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674975279 <http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674975279>
> 
> Patrick Olivelle
> 
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> 
> -- 
> Nagaraj Paturi
>  
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
> 
> 
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> 
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
> 
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>  
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>  
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>  
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 05:20:08 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 17 10:50:08 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] [RISA-L LIST] New Book
In-Reply-To: <6EF98DF2-CDD9-42C9-9DF0-20366AD1EB23@ivs.edu>
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Even if it does document the history and prevalence of violence in India?s
past, is it not already done in almost every book on ancient Indian history?

By 1932 itself, a Marxist Telugu poet wrote the following poem (Translation
appearantly by Sri Kambhampati Subba Rao):

Desa Charitralu  (Histories of the Nations)

                  -Sree Sree (Srirangam Srinivasarao)
                 Maha Prasthanam

-*-Translation from Telugu-*-

Whichever country's history you see      [E Desa charitra chusina
what reason is there to be proud?        [ E munnadi, garva karanam?
Entire history of human race             [Nara Jaathi charitra samastham
is exploitation of others                [ Parapeedana parayanatwam

Entire history of human race             [Nara jaathi charitra samastham
is an exercise in mutual destruction     [ Parasparaaharanodyogam
entire history of human race             [nara jaathi charitra samastam
is drenched in the blood of the wars     [ rana raktha pravaha siktham

Terror as its principal                      [Bheebatsa rasa pradhanam
Ghostly herds as its equivalent              [ visacha gana samavakaram
The entire history of human race is          [narajathi charitra samastham
leeching of the penniless                    [ daridrulanu kaalchuku
thenadam

The mighty made slaves                       [Balavanthulu durbala jaathini
 out of the meek race                        [ Banisalanu kaavincharu
The murderers became owners of the earth     [narahanthalu dharaadhi patulai
 and climbed to glory in history             [charaitramuna prasiddi kekkiri

A place that is not a battle field           [ranarangam kaani chotu bhu
 cannot be found anywhere on earth           [ sthalamantha vedakina
dorakadu
Entire past is wet with blood                [gathamantha thadise rakthamuna
 if not,  with tears                         [ kaakunte kanneelulatho

Extinguished families                        [challarina samsaaralu
decimated populations                        [ maraninchina jana sandoham
cries  of the helpless                       [asahaayula hahakaaram
are echoing history                          [ charitralo moolugu thunnavi

Malice, selfishness                          [Vaishamyam, Swardhaparatwam
connivance, jealousies and conflicts         [ Koutilayam, eershyalu,
spardhalu
Armed with tricks and disguises              [maayalatho, maaruperla tho
proved the course of the history             [charatragathi niroopinchinavi

Chengiz Kahn, Thamarlane                       [Chengiz Kahn, thamarlenu
Nadirshaw, Ghajni, Gori                        [ Nadirshaw, Ghajni, Ghori
Sikander--what does it matter who they are?    [Sinkandaro evadaithe nem?
Each one a grand murderer                      [ Okkokkadu maha hantakudu

Vikings, white huns                           [ Vikingulu, swetha hunulu
Sithians, Parsis                              [  sithinlu, paraseekulu
Pindaris and Thugs built                      [ pindarulu, thaggulu kattiri
a bridge of swords to the time                [  Kalaaniki kattula vanthena

In the dark ages of ignorance                 [Agyanapu tandha yugam lo
in hunger and passion--                       [ aakalilo, aavesham lo
guided by unknown  and extreme forces         [Theliyani E theevra sakthulo
marched people-- [thinking]                   [ nadapisthe, nadhichi
manushyulu

everything is their own achievement           [antha thama prayojakatvam
they are the lords of the earth               [ thaame bhuvi
kadhinaadhulamani
built kingdoms                                [sthapinchina saamrajyalu
made artificial laws [which]                  [ nirminchina kruthrima
chattal

with the rise of other forces                 [ Itarethara sakthulu leste
fell down as houses of cards!                 [  padipoyenu peka medalai
from the forces engaged in mutual battle      [ parasparam sangharshinchina
rose the history                              [  sakthulato charitra puttenu

The deception that went on for ever           [ Chirakalam jarigina mosam
the heinous crimes of the mighty              [  balavanthula dowrjanyalu
the schemes of the rich                       [ dhanavanthula pannagalu
even now? can't be allowed from now on        [  Inkaana? ekapai chellavu

A social justice based on exploitation of     [ Oka vyakthini marokka
vyakthi
One person by another person                  [  oka jaathini veroka jaathi
one race by a different race                  [ peedinche saanghika dhrmam
even now? can't go from now on                [  Inkaana? ekapai saagadu

The rickshaw-wallah in china                      [cheena lo rickshaw walla
the mine worker of Czech                      [ check desapu gani pani
manishi
the ship-cleaner of Ireland                   [irelanduna oda kalaasi
All the down-trodden peoples                  [anagaarina aarthulandaru--

Hotentots, Zulus, Negroes                     [Hotentot, julu, neegro
the different races of all continents         [ khandantara naanaa jaathulu
will broadcast in one voice                   [chaaritraka yadartha tatwam
the true nature of the history                [Chaatista roka gonthukatho

Which battle took place why?                  [E uddham enduku jarigeno
which kingdown lasted how long?               [ E rajyam ennallundo
the dates, and the documents                  [Taareekhulu, dastavejulu
These are not the essence of history,         [ivi kaavoyi, charitra saram
                           my friend!

This queen's love affairs                     [Eee ranee prema puranam
The expenses of that invasion                 [ Aa muttadi kaina kharchulu
schemes, and accounts                         [Matalabulu, Kaifeeyatulu
these are not the essence of history,         [ivi kaavoyi, charitra saram
                        my friend!


The stories hidden under the                  [Ithihaasapu cheekati konam
 the dark corners of the history              [ Attaduguna padi kaanpinchani
are wanted now!                               [kadhalannee kavalippudu
A truth that won't hide by being hidden       [daacheste daagani satyam

In the civilisation of nile river             [Nilu nadee naagarikathalo
 what is the life style of a common man? [sic][ saamanyuni jeevana mettidi?
In the building of Taj Mahal                  [taj mahal nirmananiki
 who are the labourers that lifted the stones?[ rallethina kooli levvaru?

In the invasion of the dynasty                 [Saamrajyapu Dandayatra lo
 what are the braveries of the common people?  [ samaanyula sahasamettidi?
It is not the Palanquin of the king, my friend,[Prabhuvekkina pallaki
kaadoyi
 who are the bearers that carried it?          [Adi mosina boyi levvaru?

In takshasila, Pataliputram                   [Taskhasila, Pataliputram
 on the shores of Mediterranean sea           [ Madhyadhara samudra teeram
In Harappa, Mohanjadaro                       [Harappa, Mohanjadaro
 on cro-magnon  cave fronts--                 [Cro-Manyon guha mukhallo

In the twilights of the history               [Chaaritraka Vibhata Sandhyala
 what was the development of human story?     [ Maanava kadha vikasamettidi
What country, in what time                    [E Desham E kalam lo
 achieved what grand truths?                  [ Saadhinde paramardham?

Which sculpture? what literature?             [E Silpam? E Saahityam?
 Which science? what  music?                  [ E Sastram? E Gandharvam?
To which rays is this renunciation?           [E velgulakee prasthanam?
 Which dream? What conquest?                  [ E swapnam? E digvijayam?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:33 AM, HR <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:

> Interesting point. Does the book attempt to document the history and
> prevalence of the misconception itself? Or does it only document the
> history and prevalence of violence in India?s past?
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017, at 5:14 AM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Prof. Dominik Wjastyk,
>
> "a point of view that certainly exists in the minds of some people"
> certainly provides an exception to my
>
> 'I can say with certainty that ancient India was never imagined during or
> later to the independence movement, either by the educated Indians or by
> the common public as an India without wars or without harsh punishments or
> without harsh ways of crime control etc. ?'
>
> Are books written to counter 'a point of view that  exists in the minds
> of some people' ?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:34 AM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this info, Patrick.  I've been making her *History of Ancient
>> and Early Medieval India *a set text for my courses for several years
>> now, and it's very good indeed (but sadly she hadn't read your *Kingship,
>> Law and Governance* before her book was published, so the Mauryan
>> chapter needs to be redone).
>>
>> I look forward to reading the new one.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik
>>
>>
>> ?
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> ?,?
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ?,?
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ?,?
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> ?.?
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> ?sas.ualberta.ca?
>> ??
>>
>>
>> On 30 September 2017 at 07:29, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I want to announce a wonderful new
>>> book by Upinder Singh: Political Violence in Ancient India. It demolishes
>>> the common stereotypes about non-violence etc. Published by Harvard.
>>>
>>> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674975279
>>>
>>> Patrick Olivelle
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> PLEASE post to this list ONLY from an email account that has been
>>> subscribed.
>>>
>>> RISA-L mailing list
>>> RISA-L at lists.sandiego.edu
>>> https://lists.sandiego.edu/mailman/listinfo/risa-l
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> committee)
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>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From martingansten at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 09:04:19 2017
From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 17 11:04:19 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Agnid=C4=81ha?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CeRr8sCSm8qjEUGYcaeWHCvZgNJ9Z0AdM3+XqEX3=2Q8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a95dd089-990f-d8c8-8a53-08fe0681e65a@gmail.com>

What a wonderful resource, Dominik! Thank you very much indeed (and 
thanks also to Nagaraj and Stella for their suggestions). I wonder if 
any similar resource exists for jyoti???stra -- I can't recall ever 
seeing one.

Martin


Den 2017-10-02 kl. 03:49, skrev Dominik Wujastyk:
> Dear Martin and friends,
>
> Some time back, I uploaded the volumes of the /Ayurvediya Sabdakosa/ 
> by Josi and Josi to archive.org <http://archive.org>. These volumes 
> are a precious resource for ayurvedic vocab. ?"/Agnidagdha/" and 
> "/agnid?ha/" are on v.1, page five 
> <https://archive.org/stream/AyurvediyaSabdakosa1968/Ayurvediya%20Sabdakosa-v1_1968#page/n25/mode/1up>, 
> with clear meanings and some references.
>
> I recommend these volumes to everyone for checking out puzzling 
> ayurvedic words.
>
> Best,
> Dominik



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From jacob at fabularasa.dk  Mon Oct  2 12:20:00 2017
From: jacob at fabularasa.dk (jacob at fabularasa.dk)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 17 14:20:00 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Unidentified_verse_on_Jaina_gy=C4=81n_b=C4=81z=C4=AB_chart?=
Message-ID: <6090ef25946876a77d7db63bd58f1d20@fabularasa.dk>

Dear List,

A frequently occuring verse on 18-19th cent. Jaina gy?n b?z? (snakes and 
ladders) charts is consistently designated as "savaiyo [=savaiy?] 23". 
The verse always occur on its own without mention of any other numbered 
savaiy? verses. I have tried identifying any collection of verse to 
which it might belong, but so far I have only drawn blanks.

A tentative reconstruction of the verse (which appears in many more or 
less garbled versions on various charts) might look as follows:

??? ?????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??? ?????
???? ???????? ?? ??? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ?
???? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?? ??? ? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????
??? ????? ??? ?????? ????? [?]????? ????? ?? ???? ?

I am not trained in reading braj bh??? and its dialectal derivatives 
(if, indeed, the above can be classified as such), so forgive me for any 
obvious mistakes.

Any suggestions as to where this verse might stem from would be highly 
appreciated.

Kind regards,
Jacob

Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
PhD Fellow (Indology)
Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
University of Copenhagen
Denmark





From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 15:41:50 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 17 09:41:50 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Autsanash Purana
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrCxpxs7tcJVH41xWYBaFpCNQJcJcdCUt2tiqAgpbYyfzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cc1D6EB-Ls586=qqfe2Ru_0h6fzQeY+HeXm-2wPFZcWdw@mail.gmail.com>

A quick look in the index of Ludo Rocher's fine history of puranic
literature shows an *Au?anasapur??a*, which is probably what Singh is
trying to refer to.  P. 138 gives more information about this "lost"
pur??a, which is sometimes conflated with the *Vindhyam?h?tmya*, that Singh
also cites.  That's probably the basis of the information that Singh is
garbling.

?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
??


On 27 September 2017 at 12:39, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> Might anyone know something more or have a copy of the "autsanash purana"
> mentioned in this book?
>
> https://books.google.com.au/books?id=YQoaBwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=
> inauthor:%22Rana+P.+B.+Singh+with+a+Foreword+by+John+McKim+
> Malville%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicpM_dgMbWAhXGyLwKHS83DyYQ6AEICjAA#
> v=onepage&q=Autsanash%20purana&f=false
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patrick
>
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From disimone at alumni.stanford.edu  Mon Oct  2 19:10:44 2017
From: disimone at alumni.stanford.edu (Charles DiSimone)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 17 15:10:44 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grantha/South Indian Paleography Resources (Overview)
Message-ID: <CADKD_zjqe18SmS_Bcv-7yb74dPHEJVwfcAT8MA=7FdCaoPX6Bg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

This message serves to cap my query made last week, apologies for the
belated reply. Thanks to the list my current research has been greatly
helped.The swift and substantial amount of useful suggestions and resources
has once again proved the great utility of the Indology list! My thanks to
everyone who responded both on and off list. For the convenience of future
readers, I have compiled all of the resources publicly recommended below:

Reinhold Gr?nendahl, South Indian Scripts in Sanskrit Manuscripts and
Prints. Harrassowitz, 2001.

Elements of South-Indian Pal?ography, from the Fourth to the Seventeenth
Century, A. D.: Being an Introduction to the Study of South-Indian
Inscriptions and Mss
by Arthur Coke Burnell
Tr?bner & Company, 1878:
https://books.google.com/books?id=ywcIAAAAQAAJ

High resolution scan of Burnell?s "Elements of South? Indian Pal?ography?
at archive.org:
https://archive.org/details/Burnell1878 (plates/tables of characters open,
not folded up)

Rath, Saraju. 2012. ?Varieties of Grantha Script: The Date and Place of
Origin of Manuscripts.? In Aspects of Manuscript Culture in South India,
edited by Saraju Rath, 187?206. Leiden: Brill.

K. Venugopalam, A Primer in Grantha characters, publ. by James H. Nye, 1983
https://archive.org/stream/APrimerInGranthaCharacters/A%20Primer%20in%20Grantha%20Characters_djvu.txt
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/digbooks/dig_toc.html?BOOKID=PK419.V468_1983

Virtual Vinodh, Grantha Primer
http://www.virtualvinodh.com/wp/grantha/

And for Telugu:
Edward C. Hill, A Primer in Telugu characters, Indological Primers Series
ed. James H. Nye, New Delhi: Manohar, 1991
http://www.learningtelugu.org/files/A%20primer%20of%20Telugu%20charaters.pdf
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/digbooks/dig_toc.html?BOOKID=PL4772.H550_1991

Thanks again!
Charles

-- 
Dr. des. Charles DiSimone | Postdoctoral Research Fellow
Buddhist Digital Resource Center ????????
tbrc.org


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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Mon Oct  2 20:59:02 2017
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 17 20:59:02 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Paper
Message-ID: <320C4E67-449D-4E5A-854F-D7C80DF8DC3C@austin.utexas.edu>

Could someone supply me with a copy of K. R. Norman?s ?A?okan Inscriptions from Sannati?, South Asian Studies, 1991?

Thanks.

Patrick Olivelle




From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Tue Oct  3 01:03:32 2017
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 17 12:03:32 +1100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Autsanash Purana
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Thanks to Ashok, Dominik and Christophe for your replies.

Rana Singh replied to an email over the weekend, that the "Autsanash
Purana, is a sthala purana - no way standard or recognised one and neither
even published properly".
He claims that he consulted with a local pandit and his family regarding
this text and does not have a copy himself.
I asked about the spelling he uses but he didn't clarify this point, this
-t-, it seems, is more than a typo, as it appears in several publications
of his regarding this pilgrimage.



All the best,

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On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> We seem to be speaking differently about the same information.  As Rocher
> and Hazra both say, there is no such upapurana *surviving today*.  The
> title is known from old lists, and the work may or may not have actually
> existed, it's hard to tell.
>
> ?
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ?,?
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ?,?
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ?,?
> University of Alberta, Canada
> ?.?
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> ?sas.ualberta.ca?
> ??
>
>
> On 2 October 2017 at 10:54, Christophe Vielle <
> christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be> wrote:
>
>> There is in fact both an Auzanasa- and a -B.rhad-auzanasa-upapuraa.na.
>> Hereabout the pages 501-505 from R. C. Hazra, Studies in the Upapuraa.nas
>> vol. 2 (zaakta and non-sectarian upapuraa.nas), Calcuta: Sanskrit College,
>> 1963, nos. 3 & 6 (I remark that the pages in the 1979 ed. of the same are
>> different: pp. 621-625).
>>
>>
>> Le 2 oct. 2017 ? 17:41, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
>>
>> A quick look in the index of Ludo Rocher's fine history of puranic
>> literature shows an *Au?anasapur??a*, which is probably what Singh is
>> trying to refer to.  P. 138 gives more information about this "lost"
>> pur??a, which is sometimes conflated with the *Vindhyam?h?tmya*, that
>> Singh also cites.  That's probably the basis of the information that Singh
>> is garbling.
>>
>> ?
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> ?,?
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ?,?
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ?,?
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> ?.?
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> ?sas.ualberta.ca?
>> ??
>>
>>
>> On 27 September 2017 at 12:39, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> Might anyone know something more or have a copy of the "autsanash
>>> purana" mentioned in this book?
>>>
>>> https://books.google.com.au/books?id=YQoaBwAAQBAJ&printsec=f
>>> rontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Rana+P.+B.+Singh+with+a+Foreword+
>>> by+John+McKim+Malville%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicpM_
>>> dgMbWAhXGyLwKHS83DyYQ6AEICjAA#v=onepage&q=Autsanash%20purana&f=false
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Patrick
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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Tue Oct  3 02:34:57 2017
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 17 13:34:57 +1100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] dhanvantari
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Well Nagaraj, how do you define these terms and what one ought to do with
them? You've asked a lot of questions of me, I gave you earnest responses,
I asked you to respond, and then you tell me it's all for nothing because
you don't like my response(s). So, it seems there are some interesting
suspensions of judgement happening here...or perhaps not.

You could continue this conversation by explaining how you understand the
point you make matters. I believe I asked you *if* it matters. Meaning,
what's your opinion? I believe I qualified my reasons why I think it maybe
doesn't matter all the time. I recall also saying that my response was
written quickly and might not be fully formed or articulated as cogently as
it might otherwise be.

I don't have to believe or personally accept as valid any truth claims
someone makes. I'm quite happy to listen to someone's 'truth'...I don't
have to accept it myself as 'true'...as we might just be talking about
opinions in the end. I'm abundantly aware of my privilege and the colonial
origins of anthropology. This history haunts every word I write. I'd like
to think I'm also quite aware of my own biases. For instance, I really
appreciate evidenced-based science over logical fallacies, correlation and
anecdotes... call me a scientist...call me someone who privileges one
knowledge system over other colonized systems of knowing and being. I can
still try and understand why non sequiturs and the like are important
points of validation for other people and how they are used to justify
normative practices within a social network. I don't have to agree with
them or believe them to write about them.

CASE IN POINT:
Are you telling me that I should accept as 'true' when I meet someone like
a high school principal during fieldwork in India, who tells me
emphatically that Australia is full of convicts, Australia has no culture,
my parents are sons and daughters of whores, I'm responsible for the
genocide of Indigenous Australians, and holds me personally responsible for
the murder of 1 lakh of Indian students in Melbourne, that I should do
what, exactly? Get in an argument with this person, who has never left the
state they were born in, let alone been to Australia? Shout them down? Call
them many names? Or should I instead, sit there, while drinking tea in
their house gritting my teeth, listen...to understand this individuals
subjective opinions about their lived experience in the world, and how they
relate to the global picture? And later possibly include their narrative in
the story I write about whatever it is I'm writing about?

What exactly would you suggest I do, other than listen and try to
understand this person's worldview, other than *suspend my judgment*, that
is...and NOT get in a verbal altercation with someone because I might
fundamentally disagree with their politics or worldview in general?

I'd sincerely like to know what you think you might / would do if you came
to Australia and interviewed a bunch of racist, bogan or upper class
Australians who think Australia is exclusively a white, Christian,
heterosexual country, and that the ~400k Indians that now call it home
should 'get out of our country...because it's full', and during your
conversation, they use a bunch of racist, sexist, patriarchal, misogynistic
and homophobic slurs towards you, your family, your friends, your country -
as if they are ever acceptable - would you perhaps suspend your judgement,
not react to their obvious attempts to provoke you, not respond to their
bigoted, essentialised rhetoric, and later, when writing up your field
notes, try and find a way to still privilege their perspective in your own
writing, and give it a voice, regardless of whether you agree with it, or
not?



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Visiting Fellow - Australian National University

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On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Patrick-ji, for your detailed response(s).
>
>  What an interesting way of defining 'suspension of judgement',
> 'privileging the emic perspective' !
>
> suspending judgement means not having an argument with someone who has
> taken the time to answer my questions; while privileging their perspective
> means including it in my narrative.
>
> No point to continue the conversation
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:34 AM, patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Dear Nagaraj,
>>
>> Sorry, but I've been dealing with getting married 2x in two different
>> states over the past two weeks to respond.
>> Let me respond to your questions. Sorry if it is a bit over the place.
>> I've written in a bit of a rush.
>>
>> * 'within the multi-trillion dollar wellness industry', what is the ratio
>> of the 'the global consumption of yoga-inflected lifestyles' ?  *
>> ++
>> The global wellness industry is valued at about USD 4 trillion and global
>> yoga is worth about USD 500billion. This link
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_India> explains the value of
>> tourism to India.
>>
>>
>> *Is your current research project focused, among other things, on the
>> 'socio, political, economic aspirations of the Indian state through AYUSH
>> and MEA' ? *
>> ++ yes. I am explicitly interested in the marketing of yoga, wellness and
>> mindfulness by AYUSH and MEA and the economic, social and political impacts.
>>
>>
>>
>>  *Why are you interested in those aspirations? What is so intriguing
>> about a state having such aspirations? *
>> ++ because they are interesting. I'm intrigued by how different
>> narratives are woven together to create 'history', legitimacy and
>> authority, particularly when it comes to consumption of yoga within a
>> global framework - there are many reconstituted narratives that are used by
>> the Indian state and global yoga/wellness to sell commodified spiritual
>> tourism to India, which reifies and essentialises many things to create a
>> romantic, idealised, sanitized image of yoga and India. How these
>> narratives intersect fascinates me. How they are involved in promoting a
>> soft hindutva and banal consumption through the global yoga industry are
>> interesting. So, you could say i'm mostly interested in how the Indian
>> state 'weaponises' yoga in the pursuit of increasing its soft power
>> potential.
>>
>> There are many criticisms levelled at consumers of global yoga: white
>> washing and cultural appropriation being the most egregious, but if you
>> look at the rhetoric of global yoga and the Indian state, they essentialise
>> an image of yoga that will possibly re-enchant worlds using the same 19th
>> century tropes. So, it's a bit hard to just go after consumers of yoga, who
>> are enticed by the many things, but also the official rhetoric of the India
>> state about magical, mystical, sacred, amulya bharat.   For instance, the MEA
>> says the following
>> <http://www.mea.gov.in/in-focus-article.htm?25096/Yoga+Its+Origin+History+and+Development>
>> :
>>
>> +++
>>
>> A Brief History and Development of Yoga:
>>
>> The practice of Yoga is believed to have started with the very dawn of
>> civilization. The science of yoga has its origin thousands of years ago,
>> long before the first religions or belief systems were born. In the yogic
>> lore, Shiva is seen as the first yogi or Adiyogi, and the first Guru or Adi
>> Guru.
>>
>> Several Thousand years ago, on the banks of the lake Kantisarovar in the
>> Himalayas, Adiyogi poured his profound knowledge into the legendary
>> Saptarishis or "seven sages?. The sages carried this powerful yogic science
>> to different parts of the world, including Asia, the Middle East, Northern
>> Africa and South America. Interestingly, modern scholars have noted and
>> marvelled at the close parallels found between ancient cultures across the
>> globe. However, it was in India that the yogic system found its fullest
>> expression. Agastya, the Saptarishi who travelled across the Indian
>> subcontinent, crafted this culture around a core yogic way of life.
>>
>> +++
>>
>>
>> *Do you think 'Vedic Thai Yoga Massage' that claims to be 5000 years old,
>> and which also claims this date for the Bh?gavatam, and which explicitly
>> states that Dhanvantari is a Vedic god' is part of 'the construction of
>> narratives to also suit socio, political, economic aspirations of the
>> Indian state through AYUSH and MEA' ?*
>> ++yes. I argue that they built upon the official rhetoric of the state,
>> which is doing the opposite of decolonising yoga.
>>
>> *Are you feeling bad that ' there are many people within yogaland who do
>> not have any appreciation for historicity, and would prefer for a sense of
>> magic and wonder to reenchant their lives.'? In a recent mail, you said,
>> " , my remit is to suspend judgement and disbelief, and try to privilege
>> the emic perspective." I said, "Do you think Indology centred around
>> /rooted in historical critical method and privileging emic perspectives
>> that are neither historical nor critical can go hand in hand? **" Here
>> is a sample of that mismatch*.
>> ++ I have no feeling, either way, towards what people do or not do within
>> yogaland. If people do want to live in a magic-fuelled world of
>> neo-orientalist imaginings, that's up to them.
>>
>> It's a good question you raise - but I don't think what you say above
>> matters, does it? - are you really trying to say that we should not use the
>> historical/critical method? What would you prefer or offer as an
>> alternative?  As you know, history is complicated. So is what we as
>> individuals and groups do with it to create meaning and legitimacy. I'm
>> quite happy to listen to what someone believes to be 'true', I'm also happy
>> to accept in a subjective relativist way that it's 'true' for them. But
>> that doesn't mean we should not fact check and try and understand larger,
>> deeper, forces at play, and contextualise things. There are many, many non
>> sequiturs that I've endured, patiently, through fieldwork, which are
>> beliefs and opinions - suspending judgement means not having an argument
>> with someone who has taken the time to answer my questions; while
>> privileging their perspective means including it in my narrative. I'm
>> honestly not sure how else to go about overriding the mismatch you speak
>> of, other than this.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>> *Who are the target market of this Vedic Thai Yoga massage ? Why or how
>> do they have a respect or attraction for the label 'Vedic' ? Indians,
>> particularly Hindus, more particularly traditionally oriented educated
>> Hindus may have a pull for the 'Vedic' label. Why at all does that label
>> matter for any customers other than of that category? Why does that label
>> create magic and wonder?*
>> ++ people who want massages and who want to feel connected to some
>> ancient, unbroken lineage.
>> Like I've already said, and I don't think it matters whether it's an emic
>> or etic perspective, 'vedic' just like Dominik asserts '5000' is more about
>> a feeling than anything else, its an appeal to tradition, emotion,
>> authority and purity.
>>
>> But, it does matter. Obviously, because people are attracted to it. Why
>> not, instead, just call it Thai (yoga) massage, or Thai massage? Because
>> they are trying to create distinction and carve up a piece of crowded
>> market place. But I also think that Vedic is a more preferred term by
>> global yoga consumers as a euphemism, which helps many to digest the
>> indelible Hindu elements of the worlds they create and consume. But there
>> are many errors, for instance, with the 5000 yr date for the Bh?gavatam,
>> just one example. Another is mentioning that many pur?nic gods are vedic.
>> There is very little appreciation for the historical development from the
>> Vedic period today, it's just seen as a flatland without many, if any,
>> contours. Perhaps the time scale and depth and breadth are just too much
>> for most people. One certainly won't learn much, if at all, about these
>> complexities in a yoga teacher-training course. Certainly not anything
>> about the politics of yoga. Instead, one will be told many things, such as
>> the way in which the hieratic and structural inequalities of caste is
>> essentialised as simply true. These types of statements are too often
>> consumed uncritically. For instance, I was once told by a non-Hindu,
>> American yoga teacher who was visiting an ashram: "the reason there are
>> shudras is so we can do yoga, someone has to do the cleaning, otherwise
>> when will we get to do our yoga". There is so much going on in this one
>> statement. The uncritical support for caste oppression astounds me... One
>> thing is also for certain is that yoga-teacher trainees will most likely be
>> told that the pashupatinath seal is undisputed proof of yoga's claims to
>> antiquity. That is a stretch...as I'm guessing there were many people
>> sitting cross-legged on the floor 3500years ago. This same claim is made by
>> a few gurus as well, that because there are figures found in South America,
>> that this proves that these yogis mentioned above travelled there and gave
>> 'yoga' to the cultures of South America.  Are you suggesting, then, that we
>> should just not bother with the historical critical method and accept these
>> truth claims as true, because of someone's misinformed opinion? This sort
>> of epistemic relativism, combined with the disintellectualisation+cultivation
>> of affect that underlies the logic of the guru-disciple relationship, plus
>> the normalising group-think inherent in many social networks creates an
>> unsustainably toxic situation, in my humble opinion, that leads people to
>> accept many things as 'true' simply because the guru says it is.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Patrick McCartney, PhD
>> JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University
>> Visiting Fellow - Australian National University
>>
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>> Twitter - @psdmccartney
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
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>
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue Oct  3 03:19:50 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 17 08:49:50 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Paper
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Available for reading here:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02666030.1991.9628429

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:29 AM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Could someone supply me with a copy of K. R. Norman?s ?A?okan Inscriptions
> from Sannati?, South Asian Studies, 1991?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Olivelle
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-- 
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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

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FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue Oct  3 05:11:38 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 17 10:41:38 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] dhanvantari
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Thanks Patrick-ji, for reopening the conversation.

If the incident you mentioned about a high school principal in India whom
you met during your fieldwork in India is a report of a true incident and
not a hypothetical one like the one about my visit to Australia which is
imagined to explain the case in point and not a real incident, I apologise
to you as a co-Indian.If it is a true incident and you had a few more such
experiences, I assume that they have a potential to leave a chip on your
shoulder.

The two examples you mention are not typical, representative of the
situations that an anthropologist could face, though they can not be ruled
out as impossible, unrealistic.

Such incidents can be compared to the situations faced by a psychotherpist
or any other medical practitioner where the patient's symptoms include
abusing  and sometimes even physically attacking the therapist. The
therapist does not take it personally and react personally or does not
allow a possible personal reaction in his heart  to affect his
analysis/diagnosis of the case. Suspension of judgement does not stop at
the observation, it continues during the analysis and reporting the
diagnosis too.

Suspension of judgement in anthropological fieldwork too is expected not to
stop at the stage of fieldwork conversations and is expected to continue
during the analysis and reporting stages too.

Anthropologist's work differs from that of a psychotherapist  in the
following two aspects: 1.  Psychotherapist's goal is not to use the case of
a member of a community to generalise about the whole community. That is
the reason why he does not take up more cases from the same community. An
anthropologist takes up more cases from the same community,  compares them
and discerningly understands the similarities and differences among the
cases and carefully makes the generalisations about the community.

2. Psychotherapist proceeds to cure the problem in the case after
diagnosing. An anthropologist usually does not proceed to provide therapy
to the individuals or the community. If he is an activist, he does proceed.
But in such a case, the load of the requirement on the part of the
anthropologist in understanding the case increases because an activist
anthropologist should not allow his activist concerns overtake his
anthropologist concerns.

Next important point is that the generalisation goals of an anthropologist
do not stop at the generalisations about the community, it extends to the
generalisation about the entire species, the entire anthropos community.

This is where anthropology added value to human knowledge. Generalisations
about communities were made even before the advent of anthropology. But
they were either self images of the community blinded towards the rest of
the world or cross-ethnic images filled with cross-ethnic prejudices. Most
of the community self images were filled with claims of uniqueness of a
certain feature or features of the community. Anthropology helped such
communities realise that those features were not so unique as they thought
and many other communities in the world have such features. It worked both
ways, in reducing invalid community arrogance and unnecessary community low
self-esteem.

What is being observed among  some scholars engaged in the studies/
disciplines focused on a certain region or community of the world is that
they too like the pre-anthrpology generalisations about communities blinded
towards the rest of the world filled with impressions of uniqueness of a
certain feature or features of the community contributing to  invalid
community arrogance and unnecessary community low self-esteem, most often
to the second.

Another healthy feature that anthropology is tending to lose in the hands
of some scholars engaged in the studies/ disciplines focused on a certain
region or community of the world is to save the local knowledge systems and
cultures from the onslaught of scientism. In philosophy this was achieved
by German Romanticist philosophers such as or of the lineage of Kant. In
anthropology privileging emic perspectives meant and means this healthy
feature of allowing multiple truths, countering scientism.




On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:04 AM, patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well Nagaraj, how do you define these terms and what one ought to do with
> them? You've asked a lot of questions of me, I gave you earnest responses,
> I asked you to respond, and then you tell me it's all for nothing because
> you don't like my response(s). So, it seems there are some interesting
> suspensions of judgement happening here...or perhaps not.
>
> You could continue this conversation by explaining how you understand the
> point you make matters. I believe I asked you *if* it matters. Meaning,
> what's your opinion? I believe I qualified my reasons why I think it maybe
> doesn't matter all the time. I recall also saying that my response was
> written quickly and might not be fully formed or articulated as cogently as
> it might otherwise be.
>
> I don't have to believe or personally accept as valid any truth claims
> someone makes. I'm quite happy to listen to someone's 'truth'...I don't
> have to accept it myself as 'true'...as we might just be talking about
> opinions in the end. I'm abundantly aware of my privilege and the colonial
> origins of anthropology. This history haunts every word I write. I'd like
> to think I'm also quite aware of my own biases. For instance, I really
> appreciate evidenced-based science over logical fallacies, correlation and
> anecdotes... call me a scientist...call me someone who privileges one
> knowledge system over other colonized systems of knowing and being. I can
> still try and understand why non sequiturs and the like are important
> points of validation for other people and how they are used to justify
> normative practices within a social network. I don't have to agree with
> them or believe them to write about them.
>
> CASE IN POINT:
> Are you telling me that I should accept as 'true' when I meet someone like
> a high school principal during fieldwork in India, who tells me
> emphatically that Australia is full of convicts, Australia has no culture,
> my parents are sons and daughters of whores, I'm responsible for the
> genocide of Indigenous Australians, and holds me personally responsible for
> the murder of 1 lakh of Indian students in Melbourne, that I should do
> what, exactly? Get in an argument with this person, who has never left the
> state they were born in, let alone been to Australia? Shout them down? Call
> them many names? Or should I instead, sit there, while drinking tea in
> their house gritting my teeth, listen...to understand this individuals
> subjective opinions about their lived experience in the world, and how they
> relate to the global picture? And later possibly include their narrative in
> the story I write about whatever it is I'm writing about?
>
> What exactly would you suggest I do, other than listen and try to
> understand this person's worldview, other than *suspend my judgment*,
> that is...and NOT get in a verbal altercation with someone because I might
> fundamentally disagree with their politics or worldview in general?
>
> I'd sincerely like to know what you think you might / would do if you came
> to Australia and interviewed a bunch of racist, bogan or upper class
> Australians who think Australia is exclusively a white, Christian,
> heterosexual country, and that the ~400k Indians that now call it home
> should 'get out of our country...because it's full', and during your
> conversation, they use a bunch of racist, sexist, patriarchal, misogynistic
> and homophobic slurs towards you, your family, your friends, your country -
> as if they are ever acceptable - would you perhaps suspend your judgement,
> not react to their obvious attempts to provoke you, not respond to their
> bigoted, essentialised rhetoric, and later, when writing up your field
> notes, try and find a way to still privilege their perspective in your own
> writing, and give it a voice, regardless of whether you agree with it, or
> not?
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Patrick McCartney, PhD
> JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University
> Visiting Fellow - Australian National University
>
> Skype - psdmccartney
> Phone + Whatsapp:  +61 414 954 748
> Twitter - @psdmccartney
>
>
> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)
>
> academia <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/>
>
>    -
>
> Linkedin
> <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
>
> Edanz <https://www.edanzediting.com/expert/anthropology/patrick-mccartney>
>
> Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Patrick-ji, for your detailed response(s).
>>
>>  What an interesting way of defining 'suspension of judgement',
>> 'privileging the emic perspective' !
>>
>> suspending judgement means not having an argument with someone who has
>> taken the time to answer my questions; while privileging their perspective
>> means including it in my narrative.
>>
>> No point to continue the conversation
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:34 AM, patrick mccartney <
>> psdmccartney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Nagaraj,
>>>
>>> Sorry, but I've been dealing with getting married 2x in two different
>>> states over the past two weeks to respond.
>>> Let me respond to your questions. Sorry if it is a bit over the place.
>>> I've written in a bit of a rush.
>>>
>>> * 'within the multi-trillion dollar wellness industry', what is the
>>> ratio of the 'the global consumption of yoga-inflected lifestyles' ?  *
>>> ++
>>> The global wellness industry is valued at about USD 4 trillion and
>>> global yoga is worth about USD 500billion. This link
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_India> explains the value of
>>> tourism to India.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Is your current research project focused, among other things, on the
>>> 'socio, political, economic aspirations of the Indian state through AYUSH
>>> and MEA' ? *
>>> ++ yes. I am explicitly interested in the marketing of yoga, wellness
>>> and mindfulness by AYUSH and MEA and the economic, social and political
>>> impacts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  *Why are you interested in those aspirations? What is so intriguing
>>> about a state having such aspirations? *
>>> ++ because they are interesting. I'm intrigued by how different
>>> narratives are woven together to create 'history', legitimacy and
>>> authority, particularly when it comes to consumption of yoga within a
>>> global framework - there are many reconstituted narratives that are used by
>>> the Indian state and global yoga/wellness to sell commodified spiritual
>>> tourism to India, which reifies and essentialises many things to create a
>>> romantic, idealised, sanitized image of yoga and India. How these
>>> narratives intersect fascinates me. How they are involved in promoting a
>>> soft hindutva and banal consumption through the global yoga industry are
>>> interesting. So, you could say i'm mostly interested in how the Indian
>>> state 'weaponises' yoga in the pursuit of increasing its soft power
>>> potential.
>>>
>>> There are many criticisms levelled at consumers of global yoga: white
>>> washing and cultural appropriation being the most egregious, but if you
>>> look at the rhetoric of global yoga and the Indian state, they essentialise
>>> an image of yoga that will possibly re-enchant worlds using the same 19th
>>> century tropes. So, it's a bit hard to just go after consumers of yoga, who
>>> are enticed by the many things, but also the official rhetoric of the India
>>> state about magical, mystical, sacred, amulya bharat.   For instance, the MEA
>>> says the following
>>> <http://www.mea.gov.in/in-focus-article.htm?25096/Yoga+Its+Origin+History+and+Development>
>>> :
>>>
>>> +++
>>>
>>> A Brief History and Development of Yoga:
>>>
>>> The practice of Yoga is believed to have started with the very dawn of
>>> civilization. The science of yoga has its origin thousands of years ago,
>>> long before the first religions or belief systems were born. In the yogic
>>> lore, Shiva is seen as the first yogi or Adiyogi, and the first Guru or Adi
>>> Guru.
>>>
>>> Several Thousand years ago, on the banks of the lake Kantisarovar in the
>>> Himalayas, Adiyogi poured his profound knowledge into the legendary
>>> Saptarishis or "seven sages?. The sages carried this powerful yogic science
>>> to different parts of the world, including Asia, the Middle East, Northern
>>> Africa and South America. Interestingly, modern scholars have noted and
>>> marvelled at the close parallels found between ancient cultures across the
>>> globe. However, it was in India that the yogic system found its fullest
>>> expression. Agastya, the Saptarishi who travelled across the Indian
>>> subcontinent, crafted this culture around a core yogic way of life.
>>>
>>> +++
>>>
>>>
>>> *Do you think 'Vedic Thai Yoga Massage' that claims to be 5000 years
>>> old, and which also claims this date for the Bh?gavatam, and which
>>> explicitly states that Dhanvantari is a Vedic god' is part of 'the
>>> construction of narratives to also suit socio, political, economic
>>> aspirations of the Indian state through AYUSH and MEA' ?*
>>> ++yes. I argue that they built upon the official rhetoric of the state,
>>> which is doing the opposite of decolonising yoga.
>>>
>>> *Are you feeling bad that ' there are many people within yogaland who do
>>> not have any appreciation for historicity, and would prefer for a sense of
>>> magic and wonder to reenchant their lives.'? In a recent mail, you said,
>>> " , my remit is to suspend judgement and disbelief, and try to privilege
>>> the emic perspective." I said, "Do you think Indology centred around
>>> /rooted in historical critical method and privileging emic perspectives
>>> that are neither historical nor critical can go hand in hand? **" Here
>>> is a sample of that mismatch*.
>>> ++ I have no feeling, either way, towards what people do or not do
>>> within yogaland. If people do want to live in a magic-fuelled world of
>>> neo-orientalist imaginings, that's up to them.
>>>
>>> It's a good question you raise - but I don't think what you say above
>>> matters, does it? - are you really trying to say that we should not use the
>>> historical/critical method? What would you prefer or offer as an
>>> alternative?  As you know, history is complicated. So is what we as
>>> individuals and groups do with it to create meaning and legitimacy. I'm
>>> quite happy to listen to what someone believes to be 'true', I'm also happy
>>> to accept in a subjective relativist way that it's 'true' for them. But
>>> that doesn't mean we should not fact check and try and understand larger,
>>> deeper, forces at play, and contextualise things. There are many, many non
>>> sequiturs that I've endured, patiently, through fieldwork, which are
>>> beliefs and opinions - suspending judgement means not having an argument
>>> with someone who has taken the time to answer my questions; while
>>> privileging their perspective means including it in my narrative. I'm
>>> honestly not sure how else to go about overriding the mismatch you speak
>>> of, other than this.
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *Who are the target market of this Vedic Thai Yoga massage ? Why or how
>>> do they have a respect or attraction for the label 'Vedic' ? Indians,
>>> particularly Hindus, more particularly traditionally oriented educated
>>> Hindus may have a pull for the 'Vedic' label. Why at all does that label
>>> matter for any customers other than of that category? Why does that label
>>> create magic and wonder?*
>>> ++ people who want massages and who want to feel connected to some
>>> ancient, unbroken lineage.
>>> Like I've already said, and I don't think it matters whether it's an
>>> emic or etic perspective, 'vedic' just like Dominik asserts '5000' is more
>>> about a feeling than anything else, its an appeal to tradition, emotion,
>>> authority and purity.
>>>
>>> But, it does matter. Obviously, because people are attracted to it. Why
>>> not, instead, just call it Thai (yoga) massage, or Thai massage? Because
>>> they are trying to create distinction and carve up a piece of crowded
>>> market place. But I also think that Vedic is a more preferred term by
>>> global yoga consumers as a euphemism, which helps many to digest the
>>> indelible Hindu elements of the worlds they create and consume. But there
>>> are many errors, for instance, with the 5000 yr date for the Bh?gavatam,
>>> just one example. Another is mentioning that many pur?nic gods are vedic.
>>> There is very little appreciation for the historical development from the
>>> Vedic period today, it's just seen as a flatland without many, if any,
>>> contours. Perhaps the time scale and depth and breadth are just too much
>>> for most people. One certainly won't learn much, if at all, about these
>>> complexities in a yoga teacher-training course. Certainly not anything
>>> about the politics of yoga. Instead, one will be told many things, such as
>>> the way in which the hieratic and structural inequalities of caste is
>>> essentialised as simply true. These types of statements are too often
>>> consumed uncritically. For instance, I was once told by a non-Hindu,
>>> American yoga teacher who was visiting an ashram: "the reason there are
>>> shudras is so we can do yoga, someone has to do the cleaning, otherwise
>>> when will we get to do our yoga". There is so much going on in this one
>>> statement. The uncritical support for caste oppression astounds me... One
>>> thing is also for certain is that yoga-teacher trainees will most likely be
>>> told that the pashupatinath seal is undisputed proof of yoga's claims to
>>> antiquity. That is a stretch...as I'm guessing there were many people
>>> sitting cross-legged on the floor 3500years ago. This same claim is made by
>>> a few gurus as well, that because there are figures found in South America,
>>> that this proves that these yogis mentioned above travelled there and gave
>>> 'yoga' to the cultures of South America.  Are you suggesting, then, that we
>>> should just not bother with the historical critical method and accept these
>>> truth claims as true, because of someone's misinformed opinion? This sort
>>> of epistemic relativism, combined with the disintellectualisation+cultivation
>>> of affect that underlies the logic of the guru-disciple relationship, plus
>>> the normalising group-think inherent in many social networks creates an
>>> unsustainably toxic situation, in my humble opinion, that leads people to
>>> accept many things as 'true' simply because the guru says it is.
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Patrick McCartney, PhD
>>> JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University
>>> Visiting Fellow - Australian National University
>>>
>>> Skype - psdmccartney
>>> Phone + Whatsapp:  +61 414 954 748 <0414%20954%20748>
>>> Twitter - @psdmccartney
>>>
>>>
>>> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)
>>>
>>> academia <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/>
>>>
>>>    -
>>>
>>> Linkedin
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>
>>>
>>> Edanz
>>> <https://www.edanzediting.com/expert/anthropology/patrick-mccartney>
>>>
>>> Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Tue Oct  3 07:24:08 2017
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 17 09:24:08 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Autsanash Purana
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Here is the reference to a recent edition of the Vindhyam?h?tmya claiming to be part of the Au?anasapur??a  which is, a Dominik pointed out, the text here concerned:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/ausanasa-puranantargata-vindyacala-mahatmya-vindya-khanda-hindi-tika-evam-vistrta-angreji-hindi-bhumika-sahita/oclc/879118972

Le 3 oct. 2017 ? 03:03, patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Thanks to Ashok, Dominik and Christophe for your replies. 
> 
> Rana Singh replied to an email over the weekend, that the "Autsanash Purana, is a sthala purana - no way standard or recognised one and neither even published properly". 
> He claims that he consulted with a local pandit and his family regarding this text and does not have a copy himself.
> I asked about the spelling he uses but he didn't clarify this point, this -t-, it seems, is more than a typo, as it appears in several publications of his regarding this pilgrimage. 
> 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Patrick McCartney, PhD
> JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University
> Visiting Fellow - Australian National University
> 
> Skype - psdmccartney
> Phone + Whatsapp:  +61 414 954 748
> Twitter - @psdmccartney
> 
> 

> De: Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>
> Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] Autsanash Purana
> Date: 3 octobre 2017 09:08:41 UTC+2
> ?: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
> Cc: patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com>
> 
> Dear Dominik,
> 
> the scanned pages were simply given for completing the information you gave from Rocher (who relies on Hazra, whose books are sometimes difficult to find - I see now that Rocher refers also to a 1954 article by Hazra, which, I guess, has nothing more than what is in his book since he was not reproduced in Hazra Commemoration Volume which is like is "kleine Schriftern"). By the way, as usually with the puraa.nas, the fact that a 'genuine' or original (here AuzanasaP) does no longer exist (if it once really existed - its mentioning in a traditional list of 18 does not mean much according to me) is one thing (I should have written "there was?" or "there could have been?"), the other is the existence of actual texts claiming to belong/to be part of this puraa.na (as a kind of "virtual" one, as it is with the main puraa.na titles, Skanda etc. to which claim to belong many "parts", maahaatmyas etc.) - as you very rightly pointed out, what is here important is the title 'Vindhya-maahaatmya" claming to belong to this AuzanasaP (or B.rhad-Auzanasa according to Hazra fn. 61 - relying on manuscripts). Reading again what Singh says, "Autsanash Purana, AP (27.30)" to which he refers only once (on p. 127) = here "Vindhya Mahatmya [cf. the ref. "VM 27" just before]? claiming to be part, or different version, of AP" (in fact elsewhere he refers only to Vindhya Mahatmya/VM). Just after, when he talks about "Many popular booklets? which give abridged versions of the above two texts", it is a bit confusing but it seems that he refers to 1? VM (= AP) and 2? DM (Deviimaahaatmya), to which he has also just alluded.
> 
> Now, it appears that this "late" (18th century?) Vindhya-maahaatmya has an edition:
> ???? ????????????? ?????????? ????????? : ???????-???? : ?????? ??? ??? ??????? ????????-?????? ?????? ????
> Puranas. Au?anasapur??a. Vindyam?h?tmya.
> Au?anasa Pur???ntargata Vindhy?cala m?h?tmya : Vindhya-kha??a : Hind? ??ka eva? vistr?ta A?grej?-Hind? bh?mik? sahita
> anuv?daka, Raghun?tha Dube ; samp?daka, Omaprak??a Mi?ra
> Prathama sa?skara?a. V?r??as? : ?iva Sa?skr?ta Sa?sth?na, 2013.
> ????? ???????. ??????? : ??? ??????? ???????, ????.
> 
> ?iva Sa?skr?ta grantham?l? ; 20
> ??? ??????? ?????????? ; ??
> vi, li, ix, 336 pages ; 22 cm
> Summary
> 
> Significance of Vindyachal, portion of Au?anasapur??a, Hindu mythological text.
> Notes
> Sanskrit text with Hindi translation; with additional material in English.
> From the University of Wisconsin Library:
> https://search.library.wisc.edu/catalog/9910209529302121
>  
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:
> We seem to be speaking differently about the same information.  As Rocher and Hazra both say, there is no such upapurana *surviving today*.  The title is known from old lists, and the work may or may not have actually existed, it's hard to tell.
> 
> ?--
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk?,?
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity?,?
> Department of History and Classics?,?
> University of Alberta, Canada?.?
> South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca???
> 
> 
> On 2 October 2017 at 10:54, Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be> wrote:
> There is in fact both an Auzanasa- and a -B.rhad-auzanasa-upapuraa.na.
> Hereabout the pages 501-505 from R. C. Hazra, Studies in the Upapuraa.nas vol. 2 (zaakta and non-sectarian upapuraa.nas), Calcuta: Sanskrit College, 1963, nos. 3 & 6 (I remark that the pages in the 1979 ed. of the same are different: pp. 621-625).
> 
> 
> Le 2 oct. 2017 ? 17:41, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit :
> 
>> A quick look in the index of Ludo Rocher's fine history of puranic literature shows an Au?anasapur??a, which is probably what Singh is trying to refer to.  P. 138 gives more information about this "lost" pur??a, which is sometimes conflated with the Vindhyam?h?tmya, that Singh also cites.  That's probably the basis of the information that Singh is garbling.
>> 
>> ?--
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk?,?
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity?,?
>> Department of History and Classics?,?
>> University of Alberta, Canada?.?
>> South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca???
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 September 2017 at 12:39, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> Dear Friends, 
>> 
>> Might anyone know something more or have a copy of the "autsanash purana" mentioned in this book? 
>> 
>> https://books.google.com.au/books?id=YQoaBwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Rana+P.+B.+Singh+with+a+Foreword+by+John+McKim+Malville%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicpM_dgMbWAhXGyLwKHS83DyYQ6AEICjAA#v=onepage&q=Autsanash%20purana&f=false
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
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> 
> 

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From dmagier at Princeton.EDU  Tue Oct  3 15:16:55 2017
From: dmagier at Princeton.EDU (David Magier)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 17 11:16:55 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] South Asia Open Archives
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Dear Indology colleagues,

as a member of the Executive Board of the South Asia Open Archives (SAOA), I've been asked to forward the notice below to our Indology list, for your information.


Best,
David Magier

_______________
David Magier, PhD
Associate University Librarian for Collection Development
Princeton University
1-16-F Firestone Library
One Washington Road
Princeton, NJ  08544

609-258-5710
609-258-6950 fax
dmagier at princeton.edu


Begin forwarded message:

> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> We?re excited to share updates about the South Asia Open Archives (SAOA) (formerly SAMP Open Archives Initiative). This collective of nearly 25 libraries from the US and across the Subcontinent is dedicated to creating a freely accessible, curated collection of historical research materials on South Asia. We hope this brief update provides details into some of SAOA?s activities as we?ve taken significant steps toward building our foundation, with a goal of launching a digital archive in 2018. 
> 
> SAOA is developing carefully curated thematic research collections in various South Asian languages (including English) by digitizing key print and microfilm holdings supplied by our cooperative network of Member Institutions. This content will include:
> 
>             - Colonial-era administrative and trade reports
>             - Women?s periodicals
>             - Newspapers and magazines
>             - Census materials and gazetteers
>             - Important literary and other monographic sources
>  
> For example, SAOA has already begun digitizing a selection of early twentieth-century monographs listed in the National Bibliography of Indian Literature, including the Bengali titles Mandirera Katha? and Ga?na: Sarala Svaralipisambalita. SAOA has also recently collaborated with Roja Muthiah Research Library (RMRL) in Chennai, India to digitize Tamil Women?s Journals from the early 1900s such as M?tar Man?ra?cini and Pen Kalvi. We highly encourage the research community to suggest additional titles to be considered, through SAOA's online suggestion form.
> 
> Beyond creating free and open access to the range of content outlined above, we are also working to launch a modern, sophisticated, full-featured platform for discovery, hosting, and presentation of SAOA?s content that meets the needs of researchers, scholars, students, and the general public for material on South Asia. In the meantime, please have a look at a briefarticle on SAOA posted by Center for Research Libraries as well as a presentation from CRL?s Global Resources Collections Research Forum. Hopefully this update inspires you to help us expand the SAOA network by referring your colleagues to our How to Become a Member of SAOA webpage. 
> 
> We will share more progress with you over the coming months. Please feel free to contact me or members of our Executive Board if you would like to discuss any aspects of SAOA.
> 
> Neel Agrawal
> South Asia Digital Librarian, South Asia Open Archives (SAOA), Center for Research Libraries (CRL)



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From jknutson at hawaii.edu  Wed Oct  4 04:25:55 2017
From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 17 18:25:55 -1000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_request:_N=C4=ABtis=C4=81ra,_Anandashrama_Sanskrit_Series,_1952?=
Message-ID: <CAAiVBEUwhxq6oHsmborqdr48nx2xY0av=VxjqEGBANnwO1LRMw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends, Would someone have a pdf of the K?mandak?ya N?tis?ra,
Anandashrama Sanskrit Series, 1952? (Forgive me if I already received this
from you and misplaced it) Best,J

-- 
Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
University of Hawai'i at M?noa
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 04:44:06 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 17 10:14:06 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09request:_N=C4=ABtis=C4=81ra,_Anandashrama_Sanskrit_Series,_1952?=
In-Reply-To: <CAAiVBEUwhxq6oHsmborqdr48nx2xY0av=VxjqEGBANnwO1LRMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eZ1Ps5iy+kjv88dGg4DS-dN+LOteMM1-mvTVD9dv6e4-g@mail.gmail.com>

https://ia800200.us.archive.org/34/items/Bibliotheca_Indica_Series/NitisaraOfKamadaka-RlMitra1861bis.pdf

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Friends, Would someone have a pdf of the K?mandak?ya N?tis?ra,
> Anandashrama Sanskrit Series, 1952? (Forgive me if I already received this
> from you and misplaced it) Best,J
>
> --
> Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
> Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
> Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
> University of Hawai'i at M?noa
> 461 Spalding
>
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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From jknutson at hawaii.edu  Wed Oct  4 05:07:28 2017
From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 17 19:07:28 -1000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Il_N=C4=ABtis=C4=81ra_di_K=C4=81mandaki._Trans._Carlo_Formichi._Giornale_della_societ=C3=A0_asiatica_italiana.?=
Message-ID: <CAAiVBEUCQKcJRbuiwuJ5yFbyqy1qW4iunyj9=e+M-XpHMn1mDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends, Would anyone happen to know if Carlo Formichi's Italian
translation of the *N?tis?ra*, serialized in the Giornale della societ?
asiatica italiana (e.g.  Book 7 in vol. 14), was completed? and/or if it
has been republished in a collected form? I am having trouble just figuring
out which volumes and years it spans in the journal. Thanks,J
-- 
Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
University of Hawai'i at M?noa
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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 05:12:34 2017
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 17 10:42:34 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09request:_N=C4=ABtis=C4=81ra,_Anandashrama_Sanskrit_Series,_1952?=
In-Reply-To: <CAODNnZhJiVrQJSUBvu2nmEYTRjwtCirg6P=OWYjC1s3iNbnCmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAODNnZgeFd4OPbw-Fx-B++7JmeGPbfK3Y8tEXfhemRDg2fXb=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Just for the information it is still available for the purchase at Ananda
Ashram Pune. Recently I bought this.

On 04-Oct-2017 9:56 AM, "Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY" <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Friends, Would someone have a pdf of the K?mandak?ya N?tis?ra,
Anandashrama Sanskrit Series, 1952? (Forgive me if I already received this
from you and misplaced it) Best,J

-- 
Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
University of Hawai'i at M?noa
461 Spalding

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From jknutson at hawaii.edu  Wed Oct  4 06:46:04 2017
From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 17 20:46:04 -1000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09request:_N=C4=ABtis=C4=81ra,_Anandashrama_Sanskrit_Series,_1952?=
In-Reply-To: <CAODNnZgeFd4OPbw-Fx-B++7JmeGPbfK3Y8tEXfhemRDg2fXb=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAiVBEW9Xmi5_cKkEOnvCFw8+-v+EvbEc7s532u--6E2K-QSfg@mail.gmail.com>

Oh I didn't realize it might be in copyright. Thanks,J

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Krishnaprasad G <krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Just for the information it is still available for the purchase at Ananda
> Ashram Pune. Recently I bought this.
>
> On 04-Oct-2017 9:56 AM, "Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY" <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends, Would someone have a pdf of the K?mandak?ya N?tis?ra,
> Anandashrama Sanskrit Series, 1952? (Forgive me if I already received this
> from you and misplaced it) Best,J
>
> --
> Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
> Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
> Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
> University of Hawai'i at M?noa
> 461 Spalding
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
>
>
>


-- 
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Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
University of Hawai'i at M?noa
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Thu Oct  5 07:53:01 2017
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 17 09:53:01 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Luis Gonzalez-Reimann's paper,
Message-ID: <CALNcvFvxTza-wmraRK+-dOx54Sa1BLon2kuU_g=NwJGX728N_g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Indology'ists,

Might any of you have access to Gonzalez-Reimann's *The Mahabharata and the
Yugas: India?s Great Epic Poem and the Hindu System of World Ages
*(Asian Thought
and Culture, vol. 51). New York: Peter Lang, 2002?

I'd be very grateful for a pdf copy,

Respectfully,

Artur Karp (ret.)
Katedra Azji Po?udniowej
Uniwersytet Warszawski
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Thu Oct  5 08:23:49 2017
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 17 10:23:49 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Luis Gonzalez-Reimann's paper,
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFvxTza-wmraRK+-dOx54Sa1BLon2kuU_g=NwJGX728N_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFvdnACfmX4hMNFMw0iPJk44RGS82bgW-tS+9wv8YpuDww@mail.gmail.com>

I am sorry. I was under the mistaken impression that 'The Mahabharata and
the Yugas' is a paper - but it is a book, and a pretty costly one, to boot.

Sorry,

Artur Karp

2017-10-05 9:53 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:

> Dear Indology'ists,
>
> Might any of you have access to Gonzalez-Reimann's *The Mahabharata and
> the Yugas: India?s Great Epic Poem and the Hindu System of World Ages *(Asian Thought
> and Culture, vol. 51). New York: Peter Lang, 2002?
>
> I'd be very grateful for a pdf copy,
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Artur Karp (ret.)
> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej
> Uniwersytet Warszawski
> Polska
>
>
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Thu Oct  5 13:17:01 2017
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 17 15:17:01 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Luis Gonzalez-Reimann's paper,
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekaW=JQkbisAL5yXtr=q-UL2kN-siBpFEA184AnjVJYVHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFvSeVt37KJktgPNoyjHL2Bro+OwXpFa62q_XwgCEMOXPw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear David,

A couple of hours ago I bought the book. And then discovered that the pdf
copy is available at the academia.edu.

>From my letter to Jon Skarpeid of Norway:

"I am an authentic idiot. *The* authentic idiot.

Gonzalez-Reimann's book can be freely downloaded from:

https://www.academia.edu/1785822/The_Mahabharata_and_
the_Yugas_Indias_Great_Epic_and_the_Hindu_System_of_World_
Ages._2002_Indian_rpt._2010 "

Following Jon's suggestion, I have contacted the e-bay's clients' service
and asked them to cancel my order.

Hopefully ---

But, according to local tradition: Hope is the mother of fools.

Thanks again for your kind offer,

Artur


2017-10-05 14:49 GMT+02:00 David and Nancy Reigle <dnreigle at gmail.com>:

> Dear Artur,
>
> Here attached is a PDF of this book.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David Reigle
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:23 AM, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> I am sorry. I was under the mistaken impression that 'The Mahabharata and
>> the Yugas' is a paper - but it is a book, and a pretty costly one, to boot.
>>
>> Sorry,
>>
>> Artur Karp
>>
>> 2017-10-05 9:53 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:
>>
>>> Dear Indology'ists,
>>>
>>> Might any of you have access to Gonzalez-Reimann's *The Mahabharata and
>>> the Yugas: India?s Great Epic Poem and the Hindu System of World Ages *(Asian Thought
>>> and Culture, vol. 51). New York: Peter Lang, 2002?
>>>
>>> I'd be very grateful for a pdf copy,
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Artur Karp (ret.)
>>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej
>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski
>>> Polska
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>> committee)
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From Karen_O'Brien-Kop at soas.ac.uk  Thu Oct  5 21:27:58 2017
From: Karen_O'Brien-Kop at soas.ac.uk (Karen O'Brien-Kop)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 17 22:27:58 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit Reading Room at SOAS: winter term
Message-ID: <CALzZgzL72T8ovFd-sE_N-igKUSP3y7FL-xhV9TpBLN+van3zZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues

Apologies for cross-posting.

Some list-members may be interested in the current schedule for the
Sanskrit Reading Room (included below), a graduate initiative at SOAS
University of London.

Selected sessions will be available as recordings or streamed live via
Facebook.

Best wishes

Karen O'Brien-Kop and Avni Chag


*SOAS University of London*
*The Sanskrit Reading Room <http://sanskritreadingroom.wordpress.com>*


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From jon.skarpeid at uis.no  Fri Oct  6 07:41:57 2017
From: jon.skarpeid at uis.no (Jon Skarpeid)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 17 07:41:57 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhagavad Gita, title and intertitles
Message-ID: <HE1PR0202MB26510226E62007D515692CE9EC710@HE1PR0202MB2651.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,
When did intertitles (titles of the 18 chapters) in the Bhagavad Gita first appear?
Even more, from where comes the title 'Bhagavad Gita'? (Pardon if I'm an ignorant and should know.)

Could someone kindly suggest literature on these topics?

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Fri Oct  6 13:37:22 2017
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 17 06:37:22 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhagavad Gita, title and intertitles
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR0202MB26510226E62007D515692CE9EC710@HE1PR0202MB2651.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzfLfnwG3q2oGkx0hb2pym8A8fQFebtHdDMy_JxtCFWo+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jon,

     It would be useful to look at the edition of the Bhagavadgita, as part
of the Critical Edition, edited by S.K. Belvalkar and published by the
Bhandarkar Institute.  It notes the variation in manuscripts regarding all
these details like the specific titles given to different chapters.

Madhav Deshpande
Campbell, California, USA

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Jon Skarpeid via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> When did intertitles (titles of the 18 chapters) in the Bhagavad Gita
> first appear?
>
> Even more, from where comes the title ?Bhagavad Gita?? (Pardon if I?m an
> ignorant and should know.)
>
>
>
> Could someone kindly suggest literature on these topics?
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jon Skarpeid
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From hermantull at gmail.com  Fri Oct  6 15:06:42 2017
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 17 11:06:42 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Bhagavad Gita, title and intertitles
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzfLfnwG3q2oGkx0hb2pym8A8fQFebtHdDMy_JxtCFWo+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFdBLNgO7v6vRdKZqHAUuMt2MUz+RqD5wEHRAyLF1Bgu-Vn8Bg@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to recall that some of these issues are discussed by van Buitenen in
his Bhagavad-gia translation. Unfortunately, I don't have it at hand.

Herman Tull

On Oct 6, 2017 9:38 AM, "Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY" <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Hello Jon,
>
>      It would be useful to look at the edition of the Bhagavadgita, as
> part of the Critical Edition, edited by S.K. Belvalkar and published by the
> Bhandarkar Institute.  It notes the variation in manuscripts regarding all
> these details like the specific titles given to different chapters.
>
> Madhav Deshpande
> Campbell, California, USA
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Jon Skarpeid via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> When did intertitles (titles of the 18 chapters) in the Bhagavad Gita
>> first appear?
>>
>> Even more, from where comes the title ?Bhagavad Gita?? (Pardon if I?m an
>> ignorant and should know.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Could someone kindly suggest literature on these topics?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jon Skarpeid
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Karen_O'Brien-Kop at soas.ac.uk  Fri Oct  6 15:29:33 2017
From: Karen_O'Brien-Kop at soas.ac.uk (Karen O'Brien-Kop)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 17 16:29:33 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit Reading Room at SOAS: Winter term schedule
Message-ID: <CALzZgz+cNsoSujXOyM95g0yJZcFxp=AsPNvCg0DY_LAGiXq6pw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues

Some list-members may be interested in the current schedule for the
Sanskrit Reading Room (included below), a graduate initiative at SOAS
University of London.

Selected sessions will be available as recordings or streamed live via
Facebook.

Best wishes

Karen O'Brien-Kop and Avni Chag


*SOAS University of London*
*The Sanskrit Reading Room <http://sanskritreadingroom.wordpress.com>*

*Sanskrit Reading Room*

*Winter Term 2017*



Wednesday October 11, 3-5 pm

*Dr James Mallinson (SOAS)*

*Am?tasiddhi*

Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS

*(With a tea reception to follow, 5-6 pm)*



Wednesday October 25, 3-5 pm

*Dr Pe?ter Sza?nto? (University of Oxford)*

*Padmini? *of Maha?sukhavajra and commentary to *Can?d?amaha?ros?an?atantra*

Room T101, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS



Wednesday November 8, 3-5 pm

*Dr Camillo Formigatti (John Clay Sanskrit Lib)*

Deconstructing a critical edition: The *An?thapi??ad?vad?na *from the
*Avad?na?ataka*

The Weston Library, Bodleian Library, University of Oxford



Wednesday November 15, 3-5 pm

*Dr M?ns Broo (**Abo Akademie University)*

*Hari Bhaktivil?sa*

Room 404, 30 Russell Sq, SOAS



Wednesday November 29, 3-5 pm

*Graduate Sanskrit Reading Room*

*Maddalena Italia (SOAS)*

Translation immoral? Contamination, hybridity, and vociferous silences in

early twentieth-century translations of Sanskrit erotic poetry

*Rohini Bakshi (Independent Scholar)*

Vedic chanting: method and demonstration

*Graham Burns (SOAS)*

Formulation, substitution and veneration: three controversial Upanisadic
terms.

Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS



Wednesday December 6, 3-5 pm

*Dr Lidia Wojtczak (SOAS)*

Pimps and beggars. Poets through the lens of Sanskrit satirical verse.

Room 404, 30 Russell Sq, SOAS



Wednesday December 13, 3-5pm

*Dr Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse (Ghent University)*

Ratnak?rti?s *??varas?dhanad??a?a*

Room T101, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS


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From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com  Fri Oct  6 18:34:23 2017
From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 17 00:04:23 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mrchhakatika commentary By Srinivasacharya
Message-ID: <CAODNnZhwVVMLQdPcdBtyqxshvdVHjOZfMismcr9LwC_XUzZHGA@mail.gmail.com>

In case any one missed this mail.



On 07-Mar-2017 9:51 PM, "Krishnaprasad G" <krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear all

I am searching Srinivasacarya's Commentary on Mrcchakatikam book but could
not find.

Here is the reference:

History of Classical Sanskrit literature referred as printed Madras
in the para 600 and 577page

And referred by R.D Karmarkar in his preface for Mrcchakatika Edition with
Notes and tr by R D Karmarkar

I request if any one could find the entry in any libraries please provide
me the details

I have tried worldcat DLI etc but my spelling skill may not be good. Kindly
help

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From jknutson at hawaii.edu  Sat Oct  7 00:25:31 2017
From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 17 14:25:31 -1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Carlo Formichi: I primi principi della politica secondo Kamandaki
Message-ID: <CAAiVBEWtD-jO+z8-Tf3xUrDXW4Y0WdWi991RZN02RGwVxPR-Tg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends, This might be a long shot, but interlibrary loan can't even
get this form me. Would anyone have a soft copy of:

Carlo Formichi's I primi principi della politica secondo Kamandaki /
Politeia: Collezione di studi politici e sociali.

-- 
Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
University of Hawai'i at M?noa
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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 02:05:45 2017
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 17 12:35:45 +1030
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New PYS critical edition
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrAdcE3Nrs5fqJ2z63gwfwABA5TgTpU_piyb-H6tg3gxOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrBSqPnKE2bsgb6v=JW1Mjck3k-OgtgzLn8cEJ-xgKb_wQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

It is worth pointing out this popular, but egregious, yet *satirical (?)
Translation of PYS from within Yogaland. It is produced by the yoga
clothing brand Lululemon as part of an attempt to appear more
soteriologically inclined, it seems.

http://www.zmark.ca/2017/09/the-lululemon-new-translation-of-yoga.html?m=1


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From Karen_O'Brien-Kop at soas.ac.uk  Sat Oct  7 05:42:07 2017
From: Karen_O'Brien-Kop at soas.ac.uk (Karen O'Brien-Kop)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 17 06:42:07 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit Reading Room at SOAS: Winter term schedule
Message-ID: <CALzZgzLVWMT=bnDZqKvjffre_yJP47S2bvJTpr1xLtQGUeXv2g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues

Some list-members may be interested in the current schedule for the
Sanskrit Reading Room (included below), a graduate initiative at SOAS
University of London.

Selected sessions will be available as recordings or streamed live via
Facebook.

Best wishes

Karen O'Brien-Kop and Avni Chag


*SOAS University of London*

*The Sanskrit Reading Room <http://sanskritreadingroom.wordpress.com>*


*Sanskrit Reading Room*

*Winter Term 2017*



Wednesday October 11, 3-5 pm

*Dr James Mallinson (SOAS)*

*Am?tasiddhi*

Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS

*(With a tea reception to follow, 5-6 pm)*



Wednesday October 25, 3-5 pm

*Dr Pe?ter Sza?nto? (University of Oxford)*

*Padmini? *of Maha?sukhavajra and commentary to *Can?d?amaha?ros?an?atantra*

Room T101, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS



Wednesday November 8, 3-5 pm

*Dr Camillo Formigatti (John Clay Sanskrit Lib)*

Deconstructing a critical edition: The *An?thapi??ad?vad?na *from the
*Avad?na?ataka*

The Weston Library, Bodleian Library, University of Oxford



Wednesday November 15, 3-5 pm

*Dr M?ns Broo (**Abo Akademie University)*

*Hari Bhaktivil?sa*

Room 404, 30 Russell Sq, SOAS



Wednesday November 29, 3-5 pm

*Graduate Sanskrit Reading Room*

*Maddalena Italia (SOAS)*

Translation immoral? Contamination, hybridity, and vociferous silences in

early twentieth-century translations of Sanskrit erotic poetry

*Rohini Bakshi (Independent Scholar)*

Vedic chanting: method and demonstration

*Graham Burns (SOAS)*

Formulation, substitution and veneration: three controversial Upanisadic
terms.

Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS



Wednesday December 6, 3-5 pm

*Dr Lidia Wojtczak (SOAS)*

Pimps and beggars. Poets through the lens of Sanskrit satirical verse.

Room 404, 30 Russell Sq, SOAS



Wednesday December 13, 3-5pm

*Dr Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse (Ghent University)*

Ratnak?rti?s *??varas?dhanad??a?a*

Room T101, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Oct  7 13:41:47 2017
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 17 06:41:47 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit Reading Room at SOAS: Winter term schedule
In-Reply-To: <CALzZgzLVWMT=bnDZqKvjffre_yJP47S2bvJTpr1xLtQGUeXv2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzeLW_RE1uS0EK8K8UnJjsvC5ufwK4fFZTJMeY=J-X8V-g@mail.gmail.com>

Looks wonderful.  I wish I was living in London to attend these Wednesday
sessions.

Madhav Deshpande
Campbell, California, USA

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Karen O'Brien-Kop via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Colleagues
>
> Some list-members may be interested in the current schedule for the
> Sanskrit Reading Room (included below), a graduate initiative at SOAS
> University of London.
>
> Selected sessions will be available as recordings or streamed live via
> Facebook.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Karen O'Brien-Kop and Avni Chag
>
>
> *SOAS University of London*
>
> *The Sanskrit Reading Room <http://sanskritreadingroom.wordpress.com>*
>
>
> *Sanskrit Reading Room*
>
> *Winter Term 2017*
>
>
>
> Wednesday October 11, 3-5 pm
>
> *Dr James Mallinson (SOAS)*
>
> *Am?tasiddhi*
>
> Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS
>
> *(With a tea reception to follow, 5-6 pm)*
>
>
>
> Wednesday October 25, 3-5 pm
>
> *Dr Pe?ter Sza?nto? (University of Oxford)*
>
> *Padmini? *of Maha?sukhavajra and commentary to
> *Can?d?amaha?ros?an?atantra*
>
> Room T101, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS
>
>
>
> Wednesday November 8, 3-5 pm
>
> *Dr Camillo Formigatti (John Clay Sanskrit Lib)*
>
> Deconstructing a critical edition: The *An?thapi??ad?vad?na *from the
> *Avad?na?ataka*
>
> The Weston Library, Bodleian Library, University of Oxford
>
>
>
> Wednesday November 15, 3-5 pm
>
> *Dr M?ns Broo (**Abo Akademie University)*
>
> *Hari Bhaktivil?sa*
>
> Room 404, 30 Russell Sq, SOAS
>
>
>
> Wednesday November 29, 3-5 pm
>
> *Graduate Sanskrit Reading Room*
>
> *Maddalena Italia (SOAS)*
>
> Translation immoral? Contamination, hybridity, and vociferous silences in
>
> early twentieth-century translations of Sanskrit erotic poetry
>
> *Rohini Bakshi (Independent Scholar)*
>
> Vedic chanting: method and demonstration
>
> *Graham Burns (SOAS)*
>
> Formulation, substitution and veneration: three controversial Upanisadic
> terms.
>
> Room T102, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS
>
>
>
> Wednesday December 6, 3-5 pm
>
> *Dr Lidia Wojtczak (SOAS)*
>
> Pimps and beggars. Poets through the lens of Sanskrit satirical verse.
>
> Room 404, 30 Russell Sq, SOAS
>
>
>
> Wednesday December 13, 3-5pm
>
> *Dr Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse (Ghent University)*
>
> Ratnak?rti?s *??varas?dhanad??a?a*
>
> Room T101, 22 Russell Sq, SOAS
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 14:19:45 2017
From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 17 19:49:45 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Call for Participation: (ICPR) Workshop on Trika Philosophy of Kashmir, Lucknow (February 15 - 28, 2018)
Message-ID: <CAJz4T_7UpQU1EhpoC6cR05y6tGne8LsXZg4KoeVjsj2cqyPXpA@mail.gmail.com>

(Posted on behalf of Professor Navjivan Rastogi)


*Workshop on Trika Philosophy of Kashmir*

(Reading of Abhinavagupta's *??vara-pratyabhij??-vimarsini* J??dhik?ra:
Last Four Chapters)



The Indian Council of Philosophical Research (ICPR) is organizing a
fourteen-day workshop from *February 15 - 28, 2018* on Pratyabhij??
philosophy, the epistemological school of the Trika ?aivism. The workshop
constitutes the Phase-II of the Level Three annual workshop as part of the
four-year programme that aims at studying-in-depth the entire text of the
*??vara-pratyabhij??-vimar?in?* by the celebrated Abhinavagupta on his
master Utpaladeva's *??vara-pratyabhij??-k?rik?*, the path setting
prasth?na text of the system. The sole purpose in the  phase-II is to cover
the last 4 chapters of the Book on Knowledge called *J??dhik?ra*. In this
part our masters deconstruct the established paradigms of Indian
philosophical discourse (specially those of Buddhist logicians) and
reconstruct a system of logic defined by life-affirming world-view via core
concepts of Praka?a, Vimar?a, Vikalpa, V?k et al encompassing within their
ambit issues of logic, language, metaphysics and aesthetics, fully
underscoring the need of "bringing psychology in accord with metaphysics"
(to borrow an expression from Prof. TRV Murti) as integrated within a
robust system of philosophical discipline which could be construed as
integral dynamic absolutism. Understood in this way, the Vimar?in? claiming
to be a Samyak Vy?khy?na (proper and comprehensive exposition) of the
original Pratyabhij??-K?r?kas (a text in the ?gamic tradition), offers a
counter perspective to the prevalent narrative of Kashmir ?aivism as a
tantra-based doctrinal school and projects Utpala and Abhinavagupta as
logician-metaphysicians par excellence in their own right.


The workshop will primarily have two parts ? namely, reading of the core
text and concerted theme lectures covering the issues raised in the text
and/or the prima facie stand-points necessary for navigating the text. The
basic purpose of these workshops including the one in hand is to prepare
the new generation of young Indian scholars in an area which is suffering
from the acute scholarship-deficit by enabling them to have first hand
exposure to the original thought structure and methodology of the masters
through their primary textual articulations.



The workshop will be conducted at the Lucknow Academic Centre of ICPR by
Prof. Navjivan Rastogi, the Course Director and Coordinator, together with
other eminent scholars such as Goswami Shyam Manohar ji, Professors K.D.
Tripathi, Rajneesh Kr. Shukla, Mithilesh Chaturvedi, Ambikadatta Sharma,
Sacchidanand Mishra, Prakash Pandey and Drs. Meera Rastogi, Balram Shukla
and others. Besides participants would be encouraged to proactively
interact among themselves. For this a few sessions could be exclusively
earmarked.


Each day of the workshop will have two academic sessions i.e., from 10:30
a.m. to 1:30 p.m. and 2:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. with a lunch break from 1:30
p.m. to 2:30 p.m.


The workshop will be open to all those who are interested in Kashmir
?aivism. As such faculty members and research scholars in the departments
of philosophy/Indian philosophy, departments of Sanskrit with philosophy as
one of its courses (including Sanskrit Universities) and also those who are
connected with academic centres and institutions operating in the similar
field will be eligible to apply. However preference will be given to the
participants of earlier workshops. The candidates must bear in their mind
that this workshop constitutes the 2nd leg of a four-year workshop
programme. Hence those candidates who have participated in earlier
workshops and undertake to participate in future ones as well will claim
preference.


Those interested should apply online here
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSewkU9bjdinOnmGC26oQoFn6-8Bbbh0De9_NhMoYbJ1CykjCA/viewform>
.

------
Mrinal Kaul, Ph.D.
Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS)
Manipal Centre for Philosophy and Humanities (MCPH)
Manipal University
Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex
Alevoor Road, Manipal 576 104
Karnataka, INDIA
Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567
https://manipal.academia.edu/MrinalKaul
email: mrinal.kaul at manipal.edu


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 15:11:28 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 17 09:11:28 -0600
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09request:_N=C4=ABtis=C4=81ra,_Anandashrama_Sanskrit_Series,_1952?=
In-Reply-To: <CAAiVBEW9Xmi5_cKkEOnvCFw8+-v+EvbEc7s532u--6E2K-QSfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcodMcBcQrMSNLf0iwNrsgC70h95Grtih_aH=KjYGuZVw@mail.gmail.com>

It might not be.  Copyright and being on sale or being published are
different things.  An author's copyright expires sixty years after the
death of the author.   There are variations and details, but that's a good
general rule of thumb.

?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
??


On 4 October 2017 at 00:46, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Oh I didn't realize it might be in copyright. Thanks,J
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Krishnaprasad G <
> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just for the information it is still available for the purchase at Ananda
>> Ashram Pune. Recently I bought this.
>>
>> On 04-Oct-2017 9:56 AM, "Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY" <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Friends, Would someone have a pdf of the K?mandak?ya N?tis?ra,
>> Anandashrama Sanskrit Series, 1952? (Forgive me if I already received this
>> from you and misplaced it) Best,J
>>
>> --
>> Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
>> Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
>> Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
>> University of Hawai'i at M?noa
>> 461 Spalding
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
> Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
> Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
> University of Hawai'i at M?noa
> 461 Spalding
>
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From eastwestcultural at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 16:00:30 2017
From: eastwestcultural at yahoo.com (Dean Michael Anderson)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 17 16:00:30 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_request:_N=C4=ABtis=C4=81ra,_Anandashrama_Sanskrit_Series,_1952?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CcodMcBcQrMSNLf0iwNrsgC70h95Grtih_aH=KjYGuZVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1785459140.3133568.1507392030450@mail.yahoo.com>

India reprints vast numbers of books whose copyright has expired. In fact, it's a boon for scholars to be able to find printed versions of classic Indology texts.
Best, 

Dean

      From: Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
 To: Jesse Knutson <jknutson at hawaii.edu>; Indology <indology at list.indology.info> 
 Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 8:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] request: N?tis?ra, Anandashrama Sanskrit Series, 1952
   
It might not be.? Copyright and being on sale or being published are different things.? An author's copyright expires sixty years after the death of the author. ? There are variations and details, but that's a good general rule of thumb.
?--
Professor?Dominik Wujastyk?,?
Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity?,?
Department of History and Classics?,?University of Alberta, Canada?.?
South Asia at the U of A:??sas.ualberta.ca???

On 4 October 2017 at 00:46, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Oh I didn't realize it might be in copyright. Thanks,J
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Krishnaprasad G <krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote:

Just for the information it is still available for the purchase at Ananda Ashram Pune. Recently I bought this.?
On 04-Oct-2017 9:56 AM, "Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Friends, Would someone have a pdf of the K?mandak?ya N?tis?ra, Anandashrama Sanskrit Series, 1952? (Forgive me if I already received this from you and misplaced it) Best,J?

-- 
Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali?Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and LiteraturesUniversity of Hawai'i at?M?noa
461 Spalding
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-- 
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Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali?Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and LiteraturesUniversity of Hawai'i at?M?noa
461 Spalding
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From jknutson at hawaii.edu  Sat Oct  7 18:05:04 2017
From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 17 08:05:04 -1000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09request:_N=C4=ABtis=C4=81ra,_Anandashrama_Sanskrit_Series,_1952?=
In-Reply-To: <1785459140.3133568.1507392030450@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAiVBEWf6bv9exzsoZH_-ZYKkUUzGqi0WO5v8Dww=AELJBtpuw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I was able to find a hard copy. It is just a reprint. I will get it
scanned and share when I can, since this is the only NS text not in the
pdf-sphere. It is Shastri's text but with both of the two available
commentaries printed together, and a better edition of the commentary not
otherwise printed with Shastri. Thanks,J

On Oct 7, 2017 6:03 AM, "Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY" <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> India reprints vast numbers of books whose copyright has expired. In fact,
> it's a boon for scholars to be able to find printed versions of classic
> Indology texts.
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *To:* Jesse Knutson <jknutson at hawaii.edu>; Indology <
> indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 7, 2017 8:42 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] request: N?tis?ra, Anandashrama Sanskrit
> Series, 1952
>
> It might not be.  Copyright and being on sale or being published are
> different things.  An author's copyright expires sixty years after the
> death of the author.   There are variations and details, but that's a good
> general rule of thumb.
>
> ?
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> ?,?
>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> ?,?
>
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
> ?,?
> University of Alberta, Canada
> ?.?
>
> South Asia at the U of A:
>
> ?sas.ualberta.ca?
> ??
>
>
> On 4 October 2017 at 00:46, Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Oh I didn't realize it might be in copyright. Thanks,J
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Krishnaprasad G <
> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just for the information it is still available for the purchase at Ananda
> Ashram Pune. Recently I bought this.
>
> On 04-Oct-2017 9:56 AM, "Jesse Knutson via INDOLOGY" <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends, Would someone have a pdf of the K?mandak?ya N?tis?ra,
> Anandashrama Sanskrit Series, 1952? (Forgive me if I already received this
> from you and misplaced it) Best,J
>
> --
> Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
> Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
> Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
> University of Hawai'i at M?noa
> 461 Spalding
>
> ______________________________ _________________
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>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
> Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
> Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
> University of Hawai'i at M?noa
> 461 Spalding
>
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From lavanyavemsani at gmail.com  Sun Oct  8 17:05:23 2017
From: lavanyavemsani at gmail.com (Lavanya Vemsani)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 17 13:05:23 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] CFP: American Journal of Indic Studies Vol. 1 No. 1
Message-ID: <CADUnV12ncaRi1bd2TNAAf_FT9fcLaeu1u0ghsPG6pxaJGD56gA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
Please find included below the current call for papers for the inaugural
issue of the *American Journal of Indic Studies* scheduled to be published
in Spring 2018.
*Deadline for submissions is Dec 30, 2017*
Please do not hesitate to contact me (lavanyavemsani at gmail.com or
editor at AAIndicStudies.org) if there is any additional information I can
supply.
Thank you.
Lavanya

-- 

*Dr. Lavanya Vemsani*  Ph.D. History (Univ. of Hyderabad) & Ph.D. Religious
Studies (McMaster Univ.)

Distinguished University Professor of History, Department of Social Sciences

*Shawnee State University*

Portsmouth OH 45662

V:7403513233 F:7403513153 E:lvemsani at shawnee.edu


Editor, *American Journal of  Indic Studies*


*Call for papers*

*American Journal of Indic Studies*

*ISSN 2573-1939*

*Submissions open for the Inaugural Issue Volume 1 No 1*



American Journal of Indic Studies (AJIS) is a peer-reviewed journal
published by the American Academy of Indic Studies (AAIS) (
*http://aaindicstudies.org/publication/*
<http://aaindicstudies.org/publication/>*)*



AJIS invites academic papers on all aspects of Indic studies broadly
defined for publication in Volume 1 Number 1 and its subsequent issues. AJIS
publishes papers that call attention to the meanings and applications of
Indic categories, which have typically been under-represented in the
academic study of Indic civilization. AJIS invites papers that analyze
specific theoretical and methodological issues within Indic studies across
academic disciplines. AJIS also welcomes papers that place Indic categories
and explanatory models in conversation with western theoretical and
methodological models in order to deepen and expand scholarly knowledge of
Indic civilization. Interactions and relationships of western and
non-western studies on contemporary and classical Indic civilization are
also considered for publication.



Papers on all aspects of Indic Studies, and their interdisciplinary studies
in all of the disciplines of Humanities, Social Sciences, Education, Public
Affairs, and other Interdisciplinary areas including (but not limited
to) Anthropology,
Archaeology, Arts and Art History, Diaspora Studies, Ethical Thought,
Ecological & Environmental Studies, Film Studies, Gender Studies, History &
Culture, Human Geography, India-America relations, Indic Elements &
Hindu-Buddhist relations in Asia, Languages & Linguistics, Media Studies,
Philosophy, Politics & Public Administration, Religious Studies, Social
Work, and Sociology will be considered for publication.



American Journal of Indic Studies publishes original papers, reflection
papers, theoretical & conceptual frameworks, analytical & empirical
research, applied research & field notes, and book & film reviews.



Please send your latest books for review to our review editor Dr. Sudershan
Pasupuleti at sudershan.pasupuleti at utrgv.edu



*Date of Publishing:* AJIS is inviting papers for Vol. 1 No. 1 scheduled to
be published in Spring 2018.

*Submission deadline: *December 30, 2017.



Contributions for subsequent volumes will be accepted on a rolling basis
and considered on a first-come-first-serve basis for the next available
upcoming volume. Please include brief bio with your submission. Send your
manuscript and questions to Dr. Lavanya Vemsani at:
editor at AAIndicStudies.org



*Editorial Advisor:*

Arvind Sharma



*Executive Editor:*

Pankaj Jain



*Editor-in-Chief:*

Lavanya Vemsani



*Editorial Ombudsman:*

Jeffery D. Long



*Assistant Editor:*

Anjali Kanojia



*Book Review Editor:*

Sudershan Pasupuleti



*Editorial Board:*

Amarjiva Lochan

Antoinette DeNapoli

Antonio de Nicolas

Anup Kumar

Bharat Gupt

Brij Mohan

George Cardona

Harsha Dehejia

Jim G. Shaffer

Madhu Khanna

Makarand Paranjape

Mandakranta Bose

Peter Scharf

Radhakrishnan Pillai

Rajakumari Shankar

Rajeshwari Pandharipande

Rama Rao Pappu

Rana P. B. Singh

Ravindra D. Prasad

Rayson K. Alex

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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Mon Oct  9 09:04:55 2017
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 17 09:04:55 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY]  on Buddha's qoute
Message-ID: <20171009090455.10108.qmail@f4mail-235-139.rediffmail.com>



   To All,

          Presently I am going through a discourse on Buddhist philosophy based on the writings of Sri HaraPrasad Shastri,a mid-late 19th century Bengali scholar . On the Chaptert on 'NIRAVANA' i came across a qoute from Buddha himself,which has  been found in a certain Pali text(name not mentioned) .Buddha's qoute -roughly translates as follows - 



  Question- What is that which remains  after Nirvana?



  Buddha-    Nothing.



  Question- What is that which DOES NOT remain after Nirvana?

 

  Buddha-    Nothing.



  Question- Is there any state existing in BETWEEN the above two.?



  Buddha-  Nothing.



  Question-Is there any state existing APART from the above ?



  Buddha- Nothing.



                 Can anybody kindly  refer to the Pali text where this qoute occurs? I am interested because this qoute of Buddha has a unique identity with Shankara's Adwaitya Philisophy. Can it be in some text by Nagarjuna...or Asanga ?





                                                ALAKENDU DAS.





                                 

 

  



           



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From baums at lmu.de  Mon Oct  9 10:19:50 2017
From: baums at lmu.de (Stefan Baums)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 17 12:19:50 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Sagar Journal Call for Papers
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 02:45:08 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 17 20:45:08 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Request for subscription
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Ms Kavya Murthy sends the following query.  Please send answers her directly
<?murthy.kavya at gmail.com> (and CC the list if you wish).  Ms Murthy is a
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With thanks,
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Date: 9 October 2017 at 19:41

?[...]

If you would consider a request to members, I wanted to ask the following
question.

As I mentioned, I am researching mangoes - as a cultural matter of taste.
One of the first things I'm setting out to do is learn as much as possible
about mangoes in Indian history or philosophy or travelogue,  or any texts.
I wished to explore mangoes as metaphor, as ingredient, as mudra or prose.

It would be so great to ask this forum about references and reading I can
start with! Naresh Keerthi who recommends that I ask the forum has already
pointed me towards Pampa mahakavi.

Thanks ever so much.
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From jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr  Tue Oct 10 03:14:05 2017
From: jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr (Jean-Luc Chevillard)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 08:44:05 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mango miracle (Re:  Fwd: Request for subscription
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First thing which comes to my mind is the well-known story of the "Mango 
miracle" which the 12th cent. Periya Pur??am attributes to K?raikk?l 
Ammaiy?r (one of the 63 Tamil Shaiva saints, who may have lived in the 
6th century.

See the pointer to a popular modern retelling of the story (as a movie)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaikkal_Ammaiyar_(film)

-- Jean-Luc Chevillard (in Pondicherry)

https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard

https://twitter.com/JLC1956





On 10/10/2017 08:15, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote:
> Ms Kavya Murthy sends the following query.? Please send answers her 
> directly <mailto:?murthy.kavya at gmail.com> (and CC the list if you 
> wish).? Ms Murthy is a professional writer and editor.
> 
> With thanks,
> Dominik
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Kavya Murthy* <
> ??
> murthy.kavya at gmail.com <mailto:murthy.kavya at gmail.com>>
> Date: 9 October 2017 at 19:41
> 
> ?[...]
> 
> If you would consider a request to members, I wanted to ask the 
> following question.
> 
> As I mentioned, I am researching mangoes - as a cultural matter of 
> taste. One of the first things I'm setting out to do is learn as much as 
> possible about mangoes in Indian history or philosophy or travelogue, 
>  ?or any texts. I wished to explore mangoes as metaphor, as ingredient, 
> as mudra or prose.
> 
> It would be so great to ask this forum about references and reading I 
> can start with! Naresh Keerthi who recommends that I ask the forum has 
> already pointed me towards Pampa mahakavi.
> 
> Thanks ever so much.
> ?[...]
> ?-----------------------------------------
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
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From anna.esposito at uni-wuerzburg.de  Tue Oct 10 06:06:27 2017
From: anna.esposito at uni-wuerzburg.de (Anna Aurelia Esposito)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 08:06:27 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Classical_Kannada_at_W=C3=BCrzburg_in_January_2018?=
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From klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi  Tue Oct 10 08:03:34 2017
From: klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi (Klaus Karttunen)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 11:03:34 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for subscription
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I have following references
Dalgado, Portuguese vocables. ss.vv. afonsa, manga (with suppl.) & Glosario Luso-Asiatico ss.vv. afonsa, ambo, manga (with suppl.).    
Gode, P. K. 1959. ?References to Grafted Mangoes in India between A.D. 1500 and 1800?, JAOS 79, 281f. (also in Journal of the Univ. of Gauhati 10:1, 195?, 81?83, and Gode's Collected Studies 1, 452?454).
Misra, V. N. 1962. ?The mango-blossom imagery in K?lid?sa?, JAOS 82, 68???.
Mitra, Sarat Chandra 1934. ?On plant-lore from Bihar?, JASB N.S. 30, 25?28.
Monier Williams 18??. The Religious Thought and Life. p. 446 on god Ek?mran?tha (form of ?iva) in K??c?puram. 

In P?li literature:
J?taka 186 (Dadhiv?hanaj?taka) A mango seed (?bone?) is planted in royal garden and watered with milk water and in the third year it yielded fruit. Now it was given all care: watering it with milk water, giving it auspicious wreaths, throwing garlands around it, lighting it by burning fragrant oil and putting a shroud around it. It?s fruits were sweet and golden yellow. When the king sent a fruit to other kings, he let pierce with a ma??u prickle the part of the seed where the sprout starts, and thus they could not grow new mangos. In order to make the fruits bitter, the wicked gardener planted nimba trees and paggava creepers around it and eventually the fruits went bitter. To correct it the king let all nimbas and paggavas to be removed and also the bitter earth to be removed, put on sweet earth instead and let the tree be watered with milk water, sugar water and fragrant waters. Thus it became sweet again. 
Vim?navatthu 6, 3 (67) Commentary: King Bimbis?ra wanted mangoes out of due season. By forced measures, his gardener produced four, but, seeing Mah?-Moggall?na, gave them as alms. The king accepted this and gave him a reward.   
Petavatthu 2, 12 & 3, 3 The motif of casting mangoes to the river. 
Mah?va?sa 15, 38?43 A miraculous mango tree.   

Best, Klaus

Klaus Karttunen
South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies
Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures
PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B)
00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND
Tel +358-(0)2941 4482418
Fax +358-(0)2941 22094
Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi






> On 10 Oct 2017, at 05:45, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Ms Kavya Murthy sends the following query.  Please send answers her directly <mailto:%E2%80%8Bmurthy.kavya at gmail.com> (and CC the list if you wish).  Ms Murthy is a professional writer and editor.
> 
> With thanks,
> Dominik
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Kavya Murthy <??murthy.kavya at gmail.com <mailto:murthy.kavya at gmail.com>>
> Date: 9 October 2017 at 19:41
> 
> ?[...]
> 
> If you would consider a request to members, I wanted to ask the following question. 
> 
> As I mentioned, I am researching mangoes - as a cultural matter of taste. One of the first things I'm setting out to do is learn as much as possible about mangoes in Indian history or philosophy or travelogue,  or any texts. I wished to explore mangoes as metaphor, as ingredient, as mudra or prose. 
> 
> It would be so great to ask this forum about references and reading I can start with! Naresh Keerthi who recommends that I ask the forum has already pointed me towards Pampa mahakavi. 
> 
> Thanks ever so much. ?[...]
> ?-----------------------------------------
> 
> ?
> 
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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Tue Oct 10 08:37:04 2017
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 10:37:04 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY]  Mango miracle (Re:  Fwd: Request for subscription
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cfd6EsaC0BVX4duZW5HHwLyBFKCUT_Zv01zhXOthJ1T=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6CC7DA3-EEF3-40BE-8664-D1852B2E7959@uclouvain.be>

There is also in the Divy?vad?na, in the A?oka legend cycle, the story of the Gift of the Half Mango (pp. 430-32 ed. Cowell - Neil: https://archive.org/stream/pts_divyvadnacol_3720-0688#page/n445/mode/2up , here = ? same text as Kuma?rala?ta's Kalpana?man?d?itika? Dr?s?t?a?ntapan?kti, ed. L?ders pp. 149-150). I suppose that the text is translated by J. S. Strong in The Legend of King A?oka: A study and translation of the A?ok?vad?na, Princeton UP, 1983, Delhi: Motilal (Buddhist Tradition series 6), 1989. I do not think that the translation is in J. Tatelman, The Heavenly Exploits: Buddhist biographies from the D?vyavad?na, vol. 1, New York, The Clay Sanskrit Library, 2005 ; but maybe it will be in A. Rotman, Divine Stories: Divy?vad?na, Part 2, Boston: Wisdom Publications (Classics of Indian Buddhism series), 2017  (Part 1 issued in 2008). 

> De: Klaus Karttunen via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Objet: R?p : [INDOLOGY] Request for subscription
> Date: 10 octobre 2017 10:03:34 UTC+2
> 
> 
> I have following references
> Dalgado, Portuguese vocables. ss.vv. afonsa, manga (with suppl.) & Glosario Luso-Asiatico ss.vv. afonsa, ambo, manga (with suppl.).    
> Gode, P. K. 1959. ?References to Grafted Mangoes in India between A.D. 1500 and 1800?, JAOS 79, 281f. (also in Journal of the Univ. of Gauhati 10:1, 195?, 81?83, and Gode's Collected Studies 1, 452?454).
> Misra, V. N. 1962. ?The mango-blossom imagery in K?lid?sa?, JAOS 82, 68???.
> Mitra, Sarat Chandra 1934. ?On plant-lore from Bihar?, JASB N.S. 30, 25?28.
> Monier Williams 18??. The Religious Thought and Life. p. 446 on god Ek?mran?tha (form of ?iva) in K??c?puram. 
> 
> In P?li literature:
> J?taka 186 (Dadhiv?hanaj?taka) A mango seed (?bone?) is planted in royal garden and watered with milk water and in the third year it yielded fruit. Now it was given all care: watering it with milk water, giving it auspicious wreaths, throwing garlands around it, lighting it by burning fragrant oil and putting a shroud around it. It?s fruits were sweet and golden yellow. When the king sent a fruit to other kings, he let pierce with a ma??u prickle the part of the seed where the sprout starts, and thus they could not grow new mangos. In order to make the fruits bitter, the wicked gardener planted nimba trees and paggava creepers around it and eventually the fruits went bitter. To correct it the king let all nimbas and paggavas to be removed and also the bitter earth to be removed, put on sweet earth instead and let the tree be watered with milk water, sugar water and fragrant waters. Thus it became sweet again. 
> Vim?navatthu 6, 3 (67) Commentary: King Bimbis?ra wanted mangoes out of due season. By forced measures, his gardener produced four, but, seeing Mah?-Moggall?na, gave them as alms. The king accepted this and gave him a reward.   
> Petavatthu 2, 12 & 3, 3 The motif of casting mangoes to the river. 
> Mah?va?sa 15, 38?43 A miraculous mango tree.   
> 
> Best, Klaus


De: Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Objet:[INDOLOGY] Mango miracle (Re: Fwd: Request for subscription
Date: 10 octobre 2017 05:14:05 UTC+2
?: <murthy.kavya at gmail.com>
Cc: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at l

First thing which comes to my mind is the well-known story of the "Mango miracle" which the 12th cent. Periya Pur??am attributes to K?raikk?l Ammaiy?r (one of the 63 Tamil Shaiva saints, who may have lived in the 6th century.

See the pointer to a popular modern retelling of the story (as a movie)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaikkal_Ammaiyar_(film)

-- Jean-Luc Chevillard (in Pondicherry)

https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard

https://twitter.com/JLC1956





On 10/10/2017 08:15, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote:
> Ms Kavya Murthy sends the following query.  Please send answers her directly <mailto:?murthy.kavya at gmail.com> (and CC the list if you wish).  Ms Murthy is a professional writer and editor.
> With thanks,
> Dominik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Kavya Murthy* <
> ??
> murthy.kavya at gmail.com <mailto:murthy.kavya at gmail.com>>
> Date: 9 October 2017 at 19:41
> ?[...]
> If you would consider a request to members, I wanted to ask the following question.
> As I mentioned, I am researching mangoes - as a cultural matter of taste. One of the first things I'm setting out to do is learn as much as possible about mangoes in Indian history or philosophy or travelogue,   or any texts. I wished to explore mangoes as metaphor, as ingredient, as mudra or prose.
> It would be so great to ask this forum about references and reading I can start with! Naresh Keerthi who recommends that I ask the forum has already pointed me towards Pampa mahakavi.
> Thanks ever so much.
> ?[...]
> ?-----------------------------------------
> ?
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From Toke.Knudsen at oneonta.edu  Tue Oct 10 08:45:02 2017
From: Toke.Knudsen at oneonta.edu (Toke Knudsen)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 08:45:02 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Seeking_PDF_copy_of_Vasi=E1=B9=A3=E1=B9=ADhasiddh=C4=81nta?=
Message-ID: <7D08515D-A55D-4B8D-8248-46DA4AAE39D1@oneonta.edu>

Dear all,

Would anyone happen to have a PDF copy of the Vasi??ha-siddh?nta (an astronomical treatise attributed to the sage Vasi??ha)?

Vindhye?var? Pras?da ?arman Dvived? (editor), Vasi??hasiddh?nta. Vidy?vil?sa Presa, Ban?rasa, 1907.

Another edition would work, too, though I don?t think one exists.

(Note that there?s an edition, by the same editor, of the V?ddha-vasi??ha-siddh?nta available at archive.org?see: https://archive.org/details/JyotishSiddhantSangraha?but that?s a different text than the one I?m after.)

With all best wishes,
Toke




From anurupa.n at ifpindia.org  Tue Oct 10 11:19:48 2017
From: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org (Anurupa Naik)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 16:49:48 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mega sale of select publications of the French Institute of Pondicherry/ 16thOct2017-15thNov2017
Message-ID: <1f6c0ac0-b985-b5cf-2e1b-c2dae2474bfa@ifpindia.org>

Dear all,

In order to reduce the stock of some of our old publications in 
Indology, Social Sciences and Ecology, we are planning a mega sale of 
these publications with discounts ranging from 50% to 80%. These 
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- The order should be forwarded by e-mail to library at ifpindia.org
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From cchl2 at cam.ac.uk  Tue Oct 10 11:36:35 2017
From: cchl2 at cam.ac.uk (Charles Li)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 12:36:35 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_V=C4=81kyapad=C4=ABya_manuscript_now_online?=
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Message-ID: <e1018e6b-cd22-422f-28d0-d4969922680d@cam.ac.uk>

Dear everyone,

As part of my doctoral project, I commissioned the digitization of a 
microfilm of a V?kyapad?ya manuscript (Prak?r?ak??da) held at the 
Bodleian in Oxford. It's a paper manuscript in Telugu script. The 
digital images are now online at the Digital Bodleian website, available 
here:

http://digital.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/inquire/p/809a5212-276f-487f-96ca-17a7d939ac1b

I've also done a diplomatic transcription of the Dravyasamudde?a 
section, from folio 37 verso, line 2, to folio 41 verso, line 2, and 
this transcription is available here:

https://saktumiva.org/wiki:dravyasamuddesa:09-oxford

Each page break (rendered as a big orange "L") is a link that takes you 
to the the corresponding digital image. I've checked the transcription a 
few times, but there are bound to be mistakes still; please let me know 
if you find any. The transcript can also be viewed in Telugu script by 
using the tools on the right-hand side of the page, or alternatively, 
like this:

https://saktumiva.org/wiki:dravyasamuddesa:09-oxford?upama_script=telugu

I haven't yet found a Telugu font that supports the old-style 
post-consonantal reph (valapagilaka); does anyone know of such a font?

Have an awesome day,

Charles







From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 11:49:22 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 17:19:22 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_V=C4=81kyapad=C4=ABya_manuscript_now_online?=
In-Reply-To: <e1018e6b-cd22-422f-28d0-d4969922680d@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eZY-8Mdys9xXZvmZ4eVoQxx20UphUpZ+PAG=GRp9p=+HQ@mail.gmail.com>

You wished for an awesome day.

You really made my day.

Thanks.

There is no font with valapala gilaka.


On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Charles Li via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear everyone,
>
> As part of my doctoral project, I commissioned the digitization of a
> microfilm of a V?kyapad?ya manuscript (Prak?r?ak??da) held at the Bodleian
> in Oxford. It's a paper manuscript in Telugu script. The digital images are
> now online at the Digital Bodleian website, available here:
>
> http://digital.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/inquire/p/809a5212-276f-487
> f-96ca-17a7d939ac1b
>
> I've also done a diplomatic transcription of the Dravyasamudde?a section,
> from folio 37 verso, line 2, to folio 41 verso, line 2, and this
> transcription is available here:
>
> https://saktumiva.org/wiki:dravyasamuddesa:09-oxford
>
> Each page break (rendered as a big orange "L") is a link that takes you to
> the the corresponding digital image. I've checked the transcription a few
> times, but there are bound to be mistakes still; please let me know if you
> find any. The transcript can also be viewed in Telugu script by using the
> tools on the right-hand side of the page, or alternatively, like this:
>
> https://saktumiva.org/wiki:dravyasamuddesa:09-oxford?upama_script=telugu
>
> I haven't yet found a Telugu font that supports the old-style
> post-consonantal reph (valapagilaka); does anyone know of such a font?
>
> Have an awesome day,
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)




-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Tue Oct 10 16:18:50 2017
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 16:18:50 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: A question
In-Reply-To: <CAByGUFiEa-0OuY7MczVu3fPH93hUNd5Wz-xrArxgJh6JK+A2cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <433F3C62-3495-4D1D-8F8F-E31B2D75BFB1@austin.utexas.edu>

A student working on this text called ?K?laj?anm? asked me about the three letters at the very beginning that precede ??r?ga?e??y nama??. I myself could not make it out, but thought it may be ?arpa?a? ? but that is an educated guess, taking the first letter as ?a? second as ?p? (although it does not look like it), and the third an retroflex ???. Any help appreciated. Perhaps these letters are not standard Devanagari.

Thanks.

Patrick






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From andra.kleb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 16:31:01 2017
From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (Andrey Klebanov)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 17 01:31:01 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: A question
In-Reply-To: <433F3C62-3495-4D1D-8F8F-E31B2D75BFB1@austin.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <BDA61F49-5B9B-4566-A755-E15D12CC5C0D@googlemail.com>

Dear Prof. Olivelle, 

Please have a look at the attached article.

A


> On 10/11/2017, at 01:18, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> A student working on this text called ?K?laj?anm? asked me about the three letters at the very beginning that precede ??r?ga?e??y nama??. I myself could not make it out, but thought it may be ?arpa?a? ? but that is an educated guess, taking the first letter as ?a? second as ?p? (although it does not look like it), and the third an retroflex ???. Any help appreciated. Perhaps these letters are not standard Devanagari.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> <00000006.jpeg>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it  Tue Oct 10 16:45:45 2017
From: raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it (Raffaele Torella)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 18:45:45 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tantrismo e cristianesimo
Message-ID: <D1D137E7-B929-4BE4-BA6B-12634CF9A221@uniroma1.it>

Care amiche, cari amici,

l?accostamento potr? sembrarvi spericolato (e forse lo ?), ma questo non toglie importanza al Convegno che si terr? alla Gregoriana per l?intera giornata di marted? 17 ottobre, con la partecipazione anche di chi scrive.

Circa la richiesta (assai atipica...) di una quota di iscrizione di 10 euro, gli organizzatori hanno deciso di non esigerla dai nominativi che inoltrer?, considerandoli come ?invitati?. Gli aspiranti a questa esenzione possono compilare e inviarmi il questionario seguente:

> Se vuole inviarmi i dati dei suoi invitati posso farli inserire come ospiti invitati affinch? non venga richiesta loro la quota di ingresso. I dati di cui ho bisogno sono i seguenti:
> 
> - Titolo/Incarico (insegnante, dirigente scolastico, ecc.):	
> - Nome e cognome:	
> - Luogo e data di nascita:	
> - Numero di cellulare:	
> - Indirizzo mail:	
> - Diocesi di appartenenza (per i cattolici):


Un caro saluto
RT


Prof. Raffaele Torella
Ordinario di Lingua e Letteratura Sanscrita
Istituto Italiano di Studi Orientali
Sapienza Universit? di Roma
www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella





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From gaiapintucci at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 16:54:19 2017
From: gaiapintucci at gmail.com (Gaia Pintucci)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 18:54:19 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: A question
In-Reply-To: <433F3C62-3495-4D1D-8F8F-E31B2D75BFB1@austin.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CAOYD-QCD-VgYk5bo4ff+jUtM+jtg-BeOLjOR79Ocd5PZd7EWAw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Prof. Olivelle,

That symbol is the so-called *bhale* symbol, which
is associated with (but probably not restricted to,
s. Balbir et al. (2006) mentioned below) Jaina
manuscript culture.
The only source I can mention at the moment is:
G. Bhattacharya, "The bhale symbol of the Jainas",
Berliner lndologische Studien 8 (1995), pp. 201-228
(which, incidentally, is also referred to in
Balbir et al. (2006), Catalogue of the Jain Manuscripts
of the British Library, vol. 1, p. 56).

Best of luck to your student for his research.

Best wishes,
Gaia Pintucci





On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> A student working on this text called ?K?laj?anm? asked me about the three
> letters at the very beginning that precede ??r?ga?e??y nama??. I myself
> could not make it out, but thought it may be ?arpa?a? ? but that is an
> educated guess, taking the first letter as ?a? second as ?p? (although it
> does not look like it), and the third an retroflex ???. Any help
> appreciated. Perhaps these letters are not standard Devanagari.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Tue Oct 10 17:08:11 2017
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 17:08:11 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: A question
In-Reply-To: <CAOYD-QCD-VgYk5bo4ff+jUtM+jtg-BeOLjOR79Ocd5PZd7EWAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B73A2772-6D74-439E-903F-DAECBF7AB743@austin.utexas.edu>

Thanks to all who responded with such amazing speed. I think this is the bhale symbol.

Patrick




On Oct 10, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Gaia Pintucci <gaiapintucci at gmail.com<mailto:gaiapintucci at gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Prof. Olivelle,

That symbol is the so-called bhale symbol, which
is associated with (but probably not restricted to,
s. Balbir et al. (2006) mentioned below) Jaina
manuscript culture.
The only source I can mention at the moment is:
G. Bhattacharya, "The bhale symbol of the Jainas",
Berliner lndologische Studien 8 (1995), pp. 201-228
(which, incidentally, is also referred to in
Balbir et al. (2006), Catalogue of the Jain Manuscripts
of the British Library, vol. 1, p. 56).

Best of luck to your student for his research.

Best wishes,
Gaia Pintucci





On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
A student working on this text called ?K?laj?anm? asked me about the three letters at the very beginning that precede ??r?ga?e??y nama??. I myself could not make it out, but thought it may be ?arpa?a? ? but that is an educated guess, taking the first letter as ?a? second as ?p? (although it does not look like it), and the third an retroflex ???. Any help appreciated. Perhaps these letters are not standard Devanagari.

Thanks.

Patrick






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From jknutson at hawaii.edu  Tue Oct 10 18:30:23 2017
From: jknutson at hawaii.edu (Jesse Knutson)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 08:30:23 -1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Carlo Formichi: I primi principi della politica secondo Kamandaki
In-Reply-To: <CAAiVBEWtD-jO+z8-Tf3xUrDXW4Y0WdWi991RZN02RGwVxPR-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAiVBEWuNwWRZECNS8xQET+0cm3b3V2jHCur+4fa1-ok=8hmGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Warm thanks to Marco Franceshini for scanning this and sharing!

On Oct 6, 2017 2:25 PM, "Jesse Knutson" <jknutson at hawaii.edu> wrote:

> Dear Friends, This might be a long shot, but interlibrary loan can't even
> get this form me. Would anyone have a soft copy of:
>
> Carlo Formichi's I primi principi della politica secondo Kamandaki /
> Politeia: Collezione di studi politici e sociali.
>
> --
> Jesse Ross Knutson PhD
> Associate Professor of Sanskrit and Bengali
> Department of Indo-Pacific Languages and Literatures
> University of Hawai'i at M?noa
> 461 Spalding
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 01:23:50 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 19:23:50 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mega sale of select publications of the French Institute of Pondicherry/ 16thOct2017-15thNov2017
In-Reply-To: <1f6c0ac0-b985-b5cf-2e1b-c2dae2474bfa@ifpindia.org>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cfnq+0pzrwFC5PxKKcGC3pqXcvVSRD7rkFo-+9eYRy+4A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm afraid advertising is not permitted in the INDOLOGY forum.  Even of
academic books.  Authors are free to mention their own new publications,
but publishers may not promote their lists.

Members are asked to ignore the post by Anurupa Naik.

Dominik Wujastyk

INDOLOGY committee member on duty

?


On 10 October 2017 at 05:19, Anurupa Naik via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> In order to reduce the stock of some of our old publications in Indology,
> Social Sciences and Ecology, we are planning a mega sale of these
> publications with discounts ranging from 50% to 80%. These discounts will
> be applicable only on select publications (see list at
> http://www.ifpindia.org/ifpsitedata/pdf/List_of_
> discounted_books_sale%20Oct-Nov2017.pdf), for  a limited period, i.e.
> 16th October to 15th November 2017, and till stocks last.
>
> Some more details:
>
> *TERMS AND CONDITIONS:*
> - The discounts will be applied on all orders received directly by us,
> whether by post or on spot.
> - The discounts will be valid only between 16th Oct and 15th Nov 2017.
> - The discount will be on rupee rates within India and on Euro rates
> outside India.
> - The discounts will be applied subject to a minimum order of 500 RS / 10
> EUR (net total)
> - Packing and postage charges will be extra.
> - Discounts will be given only to those who make the full payment in
> advance.
>
> *PROCEDURE FOR ORDERS AND PAYMENTS:*
> - The order should be forwarded by e-mail to library at ifpindia.org
> - Please do not send payment directly with the order. On receipt of your
> order, a proforma invoice, including postage charges, will be forwarded to
> you by e-mail. The payment will have to be carried out on the basis of the
> proforma.
> - Payments will have to be carried out in advance by bank transfer (Indian
> bank account for payments in INR and French account for payments in EUR).
> The bank account details will be supplied along with the proforma invoice.
> - The ordered documents will be sent on receipt of the payment.
>
> We request you to profit from this exceptional sale -- being held for the
> first time -- to purchase some of the titles that may be of interest to
> you,
>
> Thank you,
> With best wishes,
> Library, IFP
>
> --
> Ms. Anurupa Naik
> Head, Library and Publication Division
> French Institute of Pondicherry (IFP)
> UMIFRE 21 CNRS-MAEE
> P.B. 33
> 11, St. Louis Street
> Pondicherry-605 001, INDIA
>
> Tel: 91-413-2231660
> Fax: 91-413-2231605
> e-mail: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org
> website: www.ifpindia.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 01:29:42 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 17 19:29:42 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: Your message to INDOLOGY awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <303AC607-00A1-4FE7-82BD-6FE714D5C6B7@uniroma1.it>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CfBSYfL4MGrq3xf=WUtFXMfmDuHnidkyzSbUPY=_pc58A@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Raffaele Torella <raffaele.torella at uniroma1.it>
Date: 10 October 2017 at 10:49
Subject: Re: Your message to INDOLOGY awaits moderator approval
To: indology-owner at list.indology.info


Please ignore my previous message, sent to the List by mistake.

Regards
RT


Prof. Raffaele Torella
Chair of Sanskrit
Sapienza University of Rome
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 03:47:41 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 17 09:17:41 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tantrismo e cristianesimo
In-Reply-To: <D1D137E7-B929-4BE4-BA6B-12634CF9A221@uniroma1.it>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ebspfLa3m7EDJ-3B8EX4w-KLjnjFrKD6J6wC0H0kh5syg@mail.gmail.com>

Care friends, dear friends,

the approach may seem reckless (and perhaps it is), but this does not
ignore the conference that will be held at Gregoriana for the entire
day of Tuesday, October 17, with the participation of those who write.

Regarding the (very atypical ...) request of a membership fee of 10
euros, the organizers have decided not to ask for it from the names I
will forward, considering them as "invited". Those aspiring to this
exemption can fill in and send me the following questionnaire:

If you want to send me the details of my guests I can put them as
invited guests so that they will not be asked for their entry fee. The
data I need is as follows:

- Title / assignment (teacher, school leader, etc.):
- Name and surname:
- Place and date of birth:
- Cellphone number:
- Email address:
- Dioceses of belonging (for Catholics):

A good greeting


2017-10-10 22:15 GMT+05:30 Raffaele Torella via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> Care amiche, cari amici,
>
> l?accostamento potr? sembrarvi spericolato (e forse lo ?), ma questo non
> toglie importanza al Convegno che si terr? alla Gregoriana per l?intera
> giornata di marted? 17 ottobre, con la partecipazione anche di chi scrive.
>
> Circa la richiesta (assai atipica...) di una quota di iscrizione di 10
> euro, gli organizzatori hanno deciso di non esigerla dai nominativi che
> inoltrer?, considerandoli come ?invitati?. Gli aspiranti a questa esenzione
> possono compilare e inviarmi il questionario seguente:
>
> Se vuole inviarmi i dati dei suoi invitati posso farli inserire come
> ospiti invitati affinch? non venga richiesta loro la quota di ingresso. I
> dati di cui ho bisogno sono i seguenti:
>
> - Titolo/Incarico (insegnante, dirigente scolastico, ecc.):
> - Nome e cognome:
> - Luogo e data di nascita:
> - Numero di cellulare:
> - Indirizzo mail:
> - Diocesi di appartenenza (per i cattolici):
>
>
> Un caro saluto
> RT
>
>
> Prof. Raffaele Torella
> Ordinario di Lingua e Letteratura Sanscrita
> Istituto Italiano di Studi Orientali
> Sapienza Universit? di Roma
> www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> committee)
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> unsubscribe)
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From anurupa.n at ifpindia.org  Wed Oct 11 04:06:20 2017
From: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org (Anurupa Naik)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 17 09:36:20 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mega sale of select publications of the French Institute of Pondicherry/ 16thOct2017-15thNov2017
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cfnq+0pzrwFC5PxKKcGC3pqXcvVSRD7rkFo-+9eYRy+4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bd1d70e5-fc55-002a-ccac-cfdc51f93fb5@ifpindia.org>

I'm extremely sorry. It was not my intention to break the forum rules. 
In my eagerness to spread the word, I sent off the announcement without 
realising the implications. My apologies!


On 11-10-2017 06:53, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
> I'm afraid advertising is not permitted in the INDOLOGY forum.? Even 
> of academic books. Authors are free to mention their own new 
> publications, but publishers may not promote their lists.
>
> Members are asked to ignore the post by Anurupa Naik.
>
> Dominik Wujastyk
>
> INDOLOGY committee member on duty
>
> ?
>
>
> On 10 October 2017 at 05:19, Anurupa Naik via INDOLOGY 
> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
>     Dear all,
>
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From harshadehejia at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 11 15:54:50 2017
From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 17 15:54:50 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] William L. Smith
Message-ID: <MWHPR19MB15974FDED4D77508329E2654A04A0@MWHPR19MB1597.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Friends:


I need some help in contacting Prof. William L. Smith.

He used to be at the University of Uppsala.


Kind regards,


Harsha

Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia


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From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Wed Oct 11 16:03:09 2017
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 17 18:03:09 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] William L. Smith
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR19MB15974FDED4D77508329E2654A04A0@MWHPR19MB1597.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <20171011180309.60a894d0f4cb3035597f3ae0@ff.cuni.cz>

He passed away in 2009.
L.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:54:50 +0000
Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Friends:
> 
> 
> I need some help in contacting Prof. William L. Smith.
> 
> He used to be at the University of Uppsala.
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> 
> Harsha
> 
> Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia





From Palaniappa at aol.com  Wed Oct 11 19:35:42 2017
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 17 14:35:42 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request for subscription
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cfd6EsaC0BVX4duZW5HHwLyBFKCUT_Zv01zhXOthJ1T=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28D42DF8-990E-42CE-83BB-E6CEA188C95C@aol.com>


Classical Tamil poems mention an act of cruelty by Na??a?,  a king, whose royal tree was a mango tree. One day a mango from the tree fell into a river and floated down the river. A girl bathing in the river picked it up and ate it. The king had her killed. Thereafter, he attained notoriety as Na??a?, who killed a girl. There is a poem in the Ku?untokai, which alludes to this event.

Here is the poem in A. K. Ramanujan?s translation.

What Her Girl-Friend Said

When a lovely girl bathing in a river
ate a gree mango from his tree
floated by the water,
for that crime
King Na??a? would take nothing,
not even an offer of nine times nine bull elephants
and the girl?s weight in gold
moulded as a doll,

but just killed her.

                                 Like him,
may this mother, too, go to everlasting hell!

For, the other day, when our girl?s lover
    just came in
as a guest with a smiling face,
this woman wouldn?t sleep for days

as if she were a city on an enemy line.


								Pana?ar
								Ku? 292

Source: The Interior Landscape: Love Poems from a Classical Tamil Anthology, translated by A. K. Ramanujan, Oxford University Press, Delhi, 1994, p. 87.

Regards,
Palaniappan


> On Oct 9, 2017, at 9:45 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Ms Kavya Murthy sends the following query.  Please send answers her directly <mailto:%E2%80%8Bmurthy.kavya at gmail.com> (and CC the list if you wish).  Ms Murthy is a professional writer and editor.
> 
> With thanks,
> Dominik
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Kavya Murthy <??murthy.kavya at gmail.com <mailto:murthy.kavya at gmail.com>>
> Date: 9 October 2017 at 19:41
> 
> ?[...]
> 
> If you would consider a request to members, I wanted to ask the following question. 
> 
> As I mentioned, I am researching mangoes - as a cultural matter of taste. One of the first things I'm setting out to do is learn as much as possible about mangoes in Indian history or philosophy or travelogue,  or any texts. I wished to explore mangoes as metaphor, as ingredient, as mudra or prose. 
> 
> It would be so great to ask this forum about references and reading I can start with! Naresh Keerthi who recommends that I ask the forum has already pointed me towards Pampa mahakavi. 
> 
> Thanks ever so much. ?[...]
> ?-----------------------------------------
> 
> ?
> 
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From klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi  Thu Oct 12 08:53:31 2017
From: klaus.karttunen at helsinki.fi (Klaus Karttunen)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 17 11:53:31 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] William L. Smith
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR19MB15974FDED4D77508329E2654A04A0@MWHPR19MB1597.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <17ED08A5-2A41-449F-B39E-D0ED559AB030@helsinki.fi>

Dear Harsha,
I?m sorry to say that Bill Smith died in December 2009, soon after his retirement from Uppsala. I was then editing the Festschrift Tikkanen, which contains one of his last papers.

Best,
Klaus

Klaus Karttunen
South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies
Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures
PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B)
00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND
Tel +358-(0)2941 4482418
Fax +358-(0)2941 22094
Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi






> On 11 Oct 2017, at 18:54, Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Friends:
> 
> I need some help in contacting Prof. William L. Smith.
> He used to be at the University of Uppsala.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Harsha
> Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia
> _______________________________________________
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From andrew.ollett at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 13:41:11 2017
From: andrew.ollett at gmail.com (Andrew Ollett)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 17 08:41:11 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language of the Snakes
Message-ID: <CAANHO14shWnJjmpnY_rhX-fAtkrpsQygkN4T6vhZcL_aswogBA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear INDOLOGY-ists,

I have recently been told that "Language of the Snakes," my book about
Prakrit in the "South Asia Across the Disciplines" series, is now available
from the University of California Press:

https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520296220

You will notice that you can either buy the physical book ($39.95) or
download it ($0.00). It is an open-access publication supported by UC
Press' "Luminos" program, and the digital version is released under a
Creative Commons BY-NC-ND 4.0 license.

I won't summarize it, since you can read an abstract on the website, and
download the whole book, but I will take this opportunity to refer you all
to a verse in the *Chappa??ayag?h?o*:


*j? sakkaya? na y??a? suvisuddha? p?iya? pi vottu?-je*
*m??a? tu tassa sara?a? n?sara?a? ahava paris?e*

Andrew


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu Oct 12 13:50:46 2017
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 17 06:50:46 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Language of the Snakes
In-Reply-To: <CAANHO14shWnJjmpnY_rhX-fAtkrpsQygkN4T6vhZcL_aswogBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzcr=tHP3UPi74TP6qUyDDkxAw=qKb2dWV7a=gZyTM7Hew@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations, Andrew, for the publication of this exciting book.  I am
looking forward to reading it.  I love the verse that you have quoted from
*Chappa??ayag?h?o. *With best wishes,

Madhav Deshpande
Campbell, California, USA

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Andrew Ollett via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear INDOLOGY-ists,
>
> I have recently been told that "Language of the Snakes," my book about
> Prakrit in the "South Asia Across the Disciplines" series, is now available
> from the University of California Press:
>
> https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520296220
>
> You will notice that you can either buy the physical book ($39.95) or
> download it ($0.00). It is an open-access publication supported by UC
> Press' "Luminos" program, and the digital version is released under a
> Creative Commons BY-NC-ND 4.0 license.
>
> I won't summarize it, since you can read an abstract on the website, and
> download the whole book, but I will take this opportunity to refer you all
> to a verse in the *Chappa??ayag?h?o*:
>
>
> *j? sakkaya? na y??a? suvisuddha? p?iya? pi vottu?-je*
> *m??a? tu tassa sara?a? n?sara?a? ahava paris?e*
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From barkhuis at gmail.com  Fri Oct 13 06:48:36 2017
From: barkhuis at gmail.com (Roelf Barkhuis)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 17 08:48:36 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Issue of eJIM (eJournal of Indian Medicine)
Message-ID: <CAC68JpuMaZcg1jB2D5hux8J4xK2oMbLyCXp=ePp3kfQTiNL-Fw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Indologists,

eJIM, the eJournal of Indian Medicine, has published a new issue at
http://www.indianmedicine.nl:

Vol 9, No 2 (2017)

Untangling Multiple Topographical Systems: Conceptions of Landscapes in
Ancient Indian Medicine
Vitus Angermeier

Yours sincerely,

Roelf Barkhuis
Publisher of eJIM
info at barkhuis.nl


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From mehner at sub.uni-goettingen.de  Fri Oct 13 10:33:23 2017
From: mehner at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Mehner, Maximilian | GRETIL)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 17 10:33:23 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] GRETIL update #484
Message-ID: <C02B5C9E4F9BD14E998B70B231B0922274C68BB3@um-excdag-a05.um.gwdg.de>

GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection:

Texts added:
Bana: Harsacarita, Ucchvasa 5<http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/#BanaHcar>: analytic and plain text
Samkara (attrib.): Kathopanisadbhasya<http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/#SamkKAUBh>

Texts revised:
B?htlingk: Kleines Petersburger W?rterbuch<http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/#PWK>

__________________________________________________________________________
GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages:
http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm


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From davidpaolo.pierdominicileao at uniroma1.it  Fri Oct 13 20:46:47 2017
From: davidpaolo.pierdominicileao at uniroma1.it (David Pierdominici)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 17 22:46:47 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF copy
Message-ID: <BB2EE3A1-6329-430E-8CC7-EFBF209C4926@uniroma1.it>

Dear colleagues and list members,

does anyone have by chance a digital copy of the P???yakulodaya by Ma??alakavi ( ed. by K. V. Sarma, Vishveshvaranand Vishva Bandhu Institute of Sanskrit and Indological Studies, Panjab University, 1981)?
Thanking in advance for the kindness, my best regards.

David Pierdominici
PhD candidate
Sapienza Universit? di Roma







From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Fri Oct 13 23:25:42 2017
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 17 09:55:42 +1030
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Yogascapes in Japan
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrAyoiScdz-CDHJet=xSkAXN3Edrod5rahP8HhXnigEmpA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

I would like to inform you that the website for my new research project,
titled: *Yogascapes in Japan* is now online at
http://www.yogascapesinjapan.com/

You can also follow this 2-year JSPS-funded project on Twitter
<https://twitter.com/yogascapesinjap> and Facebook
<https://www.facebook.com/yogascapesinjapan/>

The project is just beginning. More content will be added as the project
progresses.


All the best,

Patrick McCartney, PhD
JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University
Visiting Fellow - Australian National University

Skype - psdmccartney
Phone + Whatsapp:  +61 414 954 748
Twitter - @psdmccartney


*bodhap?rvam calema* ;-)

Yoga In Japan <http://yogascapes.weebly.com/>

Academia <https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/>

   -

Linkedin
<https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=241756978&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile>

Edanz <https://www.edanzediting.com/expert/anthropology/patrick-mccartney>

Modern Yoga Research <http://www.modernyogaresearch.org/events/>


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat Oct 14 01:57:10 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 17 19:57:10 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Issue of eJIM (eJournal of Indian Medicine)
In-Reply-To: <CAC68JpuMaZcg1jB2D5hux8J4xK2oMbLyCXp=ePp3kfQTiNL-Fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcK-A+4whituEwzJ7O084yCcp9jyMMkRGSKNrPV9iY_Sw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Roelf, great to see another issue of eJIM.  I was just recommending an
eJIM article of Jan's from 2011 to someone earlier today.

I hope you're well,

Best,
Dominik


?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
??


On 13 October 2017 at 00:48, Roelf Barkhuis via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
>
> eJIM, the eJournal of Indian Medicine, has published a new issue at
> http://www.indianmedicine.nl:
>
> Vol 9, No 2 (2017)
>
> Untangling Multiple Topographical Systems: Conceptions of Landscapes in
> Ancient Indian Medicine
> Vitus Angermeier
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Roelf Barkhuis
> Publisher of eJIM
> info at barkhuis.nl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
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From drdhaval2785 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 14 03:39:14 2017
From: drdhaval2785 at gmail.com (Dhaval Patel)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 17 09:09:14 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammatically inclined commentaries on mahakavyas and meghadutam
In-Reply-To: <CADSGPzUDa0gtah6DJLVtb=Je8N9nP3uhFuiJDCWXdTwnYbY44w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADSGPzUrEEKrRcOFHWqWvdN1vFRvzgmRYoqMTRXoHNoC9Q2=FQ@mail.gmail.com>

Respected scholars,

I would be obliged if the list members can draw my attention to publication
details of some commentaries on five mahakavyas and meghadutam with some
emphasis on grammar.

Currently I am editing a work 'durghatasangraha' which deals with
grammatically difficult parts of these works. Hence the need.

With Regards,


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From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Sat Oct 14 05:10:58 2017
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 17 01:10:58 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Shaivite Paper Transcripts of the French Institute of Pondicherry
Message-ID: <CAPW7aQHyrzhbEsmvA5WCNkmNh4-K0HGZRcQgNmddZCX5utcEQA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Dr. Ganesan of the I.F.P. brought it to my attention that the the Shaivite
Paper Transcripts of the  French Institute of Pondicherry in the Muktabodha
digital library have been inaccessable for several weeks.  Our webhost
moved our domain to a different server and this caused the problem.

Thanks,
Harry Spier


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From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Sat Oct 14 05:24:08 2017
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 17 01:24:08 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Shaivite Paper Transcripts of the French Institute of Pondicherry
In-Reply-To: <CAPW7aQHyrzhbEsmvA5WCNkmNh4-K0HGZRcQgNmddZCX5utcEQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPW7aQHMnM_+=Tr8LqScLnCPv2QZ-a7jiBctdJssdTYWPQ3iXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

I forgot to include in the email that the problem has now been fixed.and
the Shaivite paper transcripts of the IFP are now accessable.

Thanks,
Harry Spier

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> Dr. Ganesan of the I.F.P. brought it to my attention that the the Shaivite
> Paper Transcripts of the  French Institute of Pondicherry in the Muktabodha
> digital library have been inaccessable for several weeks.  Our webhost
> moved our domain to a different server and this caused the problem.
>
> Thanks,
> Harry Spier
>


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat Oct 14 15:31:23 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 17 09:31:23 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammatically inclined commentaries on mahakavyas and meghadutam
In-Reply-To: <CADSGPzUrEEKrRcOFHWqWvdN1vFRvzgmRYoqMTRXoHNoC9Q2=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cexq3ci-2MeL6fbEtP9C2=3gc1T80p5Y7nh0XXmyhpGyw@mail.gmail.com>

Mallin?tha himself is often quite grammatical in his comments.

?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
??


On 13 October 2017 at 21:39, Dhaval Patel via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Respected scholars,
>
> I would be obliged if the list members can draw my attention to
> publication details of some commentaries on five mahakavyas and meghadutam
> with some emphasis on grammar.
>
> Currently I am editing a work 'durghatasangraha' which deals with
> grammatically difficult parts of these works. Hence the need.
>
> With Regards,
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From andra.kleb at gmail.com  Sat Oct 14 16:08:57 2017
From: andra.kleb at gmail.com (Andrey Klebanov)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 17 01:08:57 +0900
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Grammatically inclined commentaries on mahakavyas and meghadutam
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Dear Dr Patel,

you must have realized that the Durgha.tasa.mgaraha mainly extracts individual passages from ?Sara.nadeva?s Durgha.tav.rtti and rearranges them according to the verse order of individual kaavya-s. 

best,
Andrey

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15. Oct 2017, at 00:31, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Mallin?tha himself is often quite grammatical in his comments. 
> 
> ?--
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk?,?
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity?,?
> Department of History and Classics?,?
> University of Alberta, Canada?.?
> South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca???
> 
> 
>> On 13 October 2017 at 21:39, Dhaval Patel via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> Respected scholars,
>> 
>> I would be obliged if the list members can draw my attention to publication details of some commentaries on five mahakavyas and meghadutam with some emphasis on grammar.
>> 
>> Currently I am editing a work 'durghatasangraha' which deals with grammatically difficult parts of these works. Hence the need.
>> 
>> With Regards,
>> 
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From witzel at fas.harvard.edu  Sun Oct 15 13:30:06 2017
From: witzel at fas.harvard.edu (Witzel, Michael)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 17 13:30:06 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_new_EJVS_on_the_Vr=C4=81tya?=
Message-ID: <B2394376-DCC3-4D5B-A04E-C27FB62EF013@fas.harvard.edu>

We are pleased to announce another issue of the E. Journal of Vedic Studies, dealing with the controversial issue of the Vr?tyas in Ancient India:


Recent Studies on the Ancient Indian Vr?tya
by Kristoffer af Edholm

EJSV Volume 24 (2017), Issue 1, pp.1-17
http://crossasia-journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/index.php/ejvs/article/viewFile/2316/2326

Please note and save our (relatively) new location at Heidelberg.
MW


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 15:44:24 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 17 09:44:24 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Researchgate under attack
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cd35jXxOsDjkYJ3vdA5asn-wP70BtrJBgTYN92qPFfskg@mail.gmail.com>

A cartel of publishers, amongst whom I am very sorry to see Brill, has come
together to shut down Researchgate.  The cartel consists of ACS
Publications, Brill, Elsevier, Wiley and Wolters Kluwer.  These are
companies that control quite a section of indological publishing.

Springer is not part of the cartel, and is holding separate talks with
Researchgate.  There is hope that they may come to some agreement.

I am not surprised to see the industry moving against open research in this
way.  The free circulation of the creative work of academics is obviously a
direct threat to their revenues.  They depend entirely upon us to create
research output, and then give them all our rights so they can profit from
from our work.  I know there are other points of view on this issue, but I
have thought about this as much as many people, and I take the position I
take.

Best,
Dominik Wujastyk

References:

   - the new cartel's website: http://www.responsiblesharing.org/
   - Springer Nature:
   http://group.springernature.com/gp/group/media/press-releases/researchgate-and-springer-nature-plan-cooperation-/15118294



?
--
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?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 16:00:47 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 17 10:00:47 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Researchgate under attack
In-Reply-To: <CAJECosFDFpmTcqn6-p6c9uYv+Q1mS+yra11_0N-4niuvmcAM0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cf+ehhD=AMuKaZ+n38ujiWmKPPj0efd+cveDQN27+JKtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mr Jain,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this matter.  As one of the most
important indological publishers, the community of indological scholars
owes it to your company, and others like yours, to work with you to find
new, appropriate models for the distribution of scholarly knowledge.

I believe that the models of publishing and distribution that have been in
place during my career are now dead.  With the Internet, Open Access,
Creative Commons and the wide availability of free journal and monograph
publishing platforms like OJS <https://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs/> and CreateSpace
<https://www.createspace.com/>, everything has changed.  Many people will
not realize this for a while, and there are Luddites who will take the
rearguard.  But the leading edge of academic publishing is now at a
different place.

To put it bluntly, authors do not need traditional publishers any more,
either for text production or for distribution.  I can make a beautiful PDF
on my computer, I can create a physical book easily, and I can distribute
it without lifting a finger (I now buy all my books from Amazon and other
online services).

I agree with you completely that predatory journals (and conferences) are a
serious problem.  But there are also thousands of excellent, high-quality
Open Access journals that are responsibly edited.  The Directory of Open
Access Journals <http://doaj.org> (DOAJ) provides a listing that includes
many good journals.  To be listed in the DOAJ requires meeting some
moderately stringent requirements.  Open Access is not synonymous with
predatory publishing.  And on the other hand, we can all think of books and
articles published in the old traditional manner that do not deserve to be
in print.  Most notoriously, perhaps, last month's scandal
<https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/09/20/much-third-world-quarterlys-editorial-board-resigns-saying-controversial-article>
of Gilley's peer-reviewed paper in *Third World Quarterly.*

I think you are absolutely right to draw attention to the prime importance
of peer-review and editorial integrity.  If scholars don't need traditional
publishing services then what can a publisher offer that authors will
value?  My view is that there are two things that, in future, a publisher
will succeed with.  First, true editorial excellence.  That means full
service at the referee, copy-editing and typographical stages.  Second,
true production excellence.  That means outstanding book and journal design
and typography, acid-free paper, etc., and parallel excellence with online
offerings (one example, jTEI <http://jtei.revues.org>).

There is a story that the typesetters at Oxford University Press sometimes
returned pages of the Rig Veda to Max Muller, saying that they had found an
error.  "How?  You don't know Sanskrit"  Muller asked.  "We know that
certain combinations of letters never occur, so that alerts us."
 Tomorrow's publishers will need to take on some of the functions that are
now performed by professors, including especially hight-quality copy
editing.  If a publisher offered that, people would come.

This is a big subject, and we are all involved in inventing a new future.
It will take time and sophistication.  But a cartel of publishers fighting
a war to preserve a dinosaur is not the way to go.  The past is already
dead.  This cartel is trying to revive a corpse, and it will not succeed.

Best,
Dominik Wujastyk



?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
??


On 18 October 2017 at 03:54, R. P. Jain <rpjain1903 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Dr. Dominik
>
>
> I really commend Prof. Dominik Wujastyk for his concerns over some
> Publishers against open research platform, the Researchgate. I?d also like
> to share my thoughts in this regard. My main question is that how one can
> ensure the quality of research on such platforms, without being peer
> reviewed? With free contribution how the papers can be refereed? Again,
> will the scholars themselves review such projects free of prejudice as
> there will be no pecuniary benefit involved? You see, the like the
> commercial considerations of any Publisher, the same work for or against
> any emerging or reputed scholars.  Today, already we?ve plethora of
> online International Journals, whose credibility are being questioned
> increasingly day by day. They are more in the nature of predatory Journals,
> rather than giving any assistance to any emerging scholar. If still there
> is still any worthiness left in this sector then that is because of those
> Journals, who already have established their reputation through their hard
> copy publications.
>
>
> After facing the onslaught of online publications for a decade, I can
> confidently say that online stream of any kind can only work as assistance,
> but they can never take place of hard copy publications either in ensuring
> creditworthiness or ease in reading. Still, being the Publisher myself, I?m
> in support of fellow Publishers? cartel of ACS Publications
>
> Sincerely
> Rajeev Jain
> Motilal Banarsidass
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> A cartel of publishers, amongst whom I am very sorry to see Brill, has
>> come together to shut down Researchgate.  The cartel consists of ACS
>> Publications, Brill, Elsevier, Wiley and Wolters Kluwer.  These are
>> companies that control quite a section of indological publishing.
>>
>> Springer is not part of the cartel, and is holding separate talks with
>> Researchgate.  There is hope that they may come to some agreement.
>>
>> I am not surprised to see the industry moving against open research in
>> this way.  The free circulation of the creative work of academics is
>> obviously a direct threat to their revenues.  They depend entirely upon us
>> to create research output, and then give them all our rights so they can
>> profit from from our work.  I know there are other points of view on this
>> issue, but I have thought about this as much as many people, and I take the
>> position I take.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dominik Wujastyk
>>
>> References:
>>
>>    - the new cartel's website: http://www.responsiblesharing.org/
>>    - Springer Nature: http://group.springernature.com/gp/group/media/
>>    press-releases/researchgate-and-springer-nature-plan-
>>    cooperation-/15118294
>>    <http://group.springernature.com/gp/group/media/press-releases/researchgate-and-springer-nature-plan-cooperation-/15118294>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>> --
>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
>> ?,?
>>
>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
>> ?,?
>>
>> Department of History and Classics
>> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
>> ?,?
>> University of Alberta, Canada
>> ?.?
>>
>> South Asia at the U of A:
>>
>> ?sas.ualberta.ca?
>> ??
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
>
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From fleming_b4 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 18 16:07:58 2017
From: fleming_b4 at hotmail.com (Benjamin Fleming)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 17 16:07:58 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] OPEN: Registration for 10th Annual Schoenberg Symposium on Manuscript Studies
In-Reply-To: <B2394376-DCC3-4D5B-A04E-C27FB62EF013@fas.harvard.edu>
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Dear members of the list (apologies for x-posting):
Registration for the SIMS annual symposium is now open. This year's symposium has a strong contingent of South Asian representation and coincides with the exhibition "Intertwined Worlds" currently on display at the Goldstein Family Gallery and featuring manuscripts and objects from South and Southeast Asia and beyond (see link to exhibit at bottom of message).

10th Annual Lawrence J. Schoenberg Symposium on Manuscript Studies in the Digital Age

November 2-4, 2017

Intertwined Worlds



In partnership with the Rare Book Department<https://libwww.freelibrary.org/rarebooks/index.cfm> of the Free Library of Philadelphia and the Center for Ancient Studies at UPenn, the Schoenberg Institute of Manuscript Studies (SIMS<http://schoenberginstitute.org/>) at the University of Pennsylvania Libraries is pleased to announce the 10th Annual Lawrence J. Schoenberg Symposium on Manuscript Studies in the Digital Age.

Despite the linguistic and cultural complexity of many regions of the premodern world, religion supplies the basis of a strong material and textual cohesion that both crosses and intertwines boundaries between communities. This year?s theme, ?Intertwined Worlds,? will highlight the confluence of expressions of belief, ritual, and social engagement emerging in technologies and traditions of the world's manuscript cultures, often beyond a single religious context. It will consider common themes and practices of textual, artistic, literary, and iconographic production in religious life across time and geography, from ancient precedents to modern reception and dissemination in the digital age.

This year?s symposium features a keynote address by Phyllis Granoff, Lex Hixon Professor of Religious Studies, Yale University, on ?The Mystery of Mistakes: Reflections on Indian Illustrated Manuscripts,? to be held at the Free Library of Philadelphia at 6pm,on November 2, 2017 (reception beginning at 5pm).

For more information and to register, please go to: http://www.library.upenn.edu/exhibits/lectures/ljs_symposium10.html .

Direct link to the full program: http://www.library.upenn.edu/exhibits/lectures/ljs_symposium10_program.html


PS: If anyone wants a discount code for registration, let me know off list.


Link to Intertwined Worlds exhibition:

http://www.library.upenn.edu/exhibits/intertwined_worlds.html


Best,

Ben Fleming

--

Benjamin Fleming, PhD
Kislak Center for Special Collections, Rare Books and Manuscripts;
Philadelphia, PA 19104 U.S.A.
Telephone - 215-900-5744
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/religious_studies/faculty/fleming
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From james.hartzell at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 16:12:06 2017
From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 17 18:12:06 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Researchgate under attack
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cf+ehhD=AMuKaZ+n38ujiWmKPPj0efd+cveDQN27+JKtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <866F34ED-04F6-42A2-B1D8-1EA80F60851C@gmail.com>

I fully agree with Dominik ?in fact i think these publishers, though they preformed an important  role previously - now seem to me to be, through their paywall systems, one of the biggest obstacles to the progress on knowledge. Things need to change. 

> On 18 Oct 2017, at 18:00, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear Mr Jain,
> 
> Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this matter.  As one of the most important indological publishers, the community of indological scholars owes it to your company, and others like yours, to work with you to find new, appropriate models for the distribution of scholarly knowledge.
> 
> I believe that the models of publishing and distribution that have been in place during my career are now dead.  With the Internet, Open Access, Creative Commons and the wide availability of free journal and monograph publishing platforms like OJS and CreateSpace, everything has changed.  Many people will not realize this for a while, and there are Luddites who will take the rearguard.  But the leading edge of academic publishing is now at a different place.  
> 
> To put it bluntly, authors do not need traditional publishers any more, either for text production or for distribution.  I can make a beautiful PDF on my computer, I can create a physical book easily, and I can distribute it without lifting a finger (I now buy all my books from Amazon and other online services).
> 
> I agree with you completely that predatory journals (and conferences) are a serious problem.  But there are also thousands of excellent, high-quality Open Access journals that are responsibly edited.  The Directory of Open Access Journals (DOAJ) provides a listing that includes many good journals.  To be listed in the DOAJ requires meeting some moderately stringent requirements.  Open Access is not synonymous with predatory publishing.  And on the other hand, we can all think of books and articles published in the old traditional manner that do not deserve to be in print.  Most notoriously, perhaps, last month's scandal of Gilley's peer-reviewed paper in Third World Quarterly.
> 
> I think you are absolutely right to draw attention to the prime importance of peer-review and editorial integrity.  If scholars don't need traditional publishing services then what can a publisher offer that authors will value?  My view is that there are two things that, in future, a publisher will succeed with.  First, true editorial excellence.  That means full service at the referee, copy-editing and typographical stages.  Second, true production excellence.  That means outstanding book and journal design and typography, acid-free paper, etc., and parallel excellence with online offerings (one example, jTEI).
> 
> There is a story that the typesetters at Oxford University Press sometimes returned pages of the Rig Veda to Max Muller, saying that they had found an error.  "How?  You don't know Sanskrit"  Muller asked.  "We know that certain combinations of letters never occur, so that alerts us."    Tomorrow's publishers will need to take on some of the functions that are now performed by professors, including especially hight-quality copy editing.  If a publisher offered that, people would come.
> 
> This is a big subject, and we are all involved in inventing a new future.  It will take time and sophistication.  But a cartel of publishers fighting a war to preserve a dinosaur is not the way to go.  The past is already dead.  This cartel is trying to revive a corpse, and it will not succeed.
> 
> Best,
> Dominik Wujastyk
> 
> 
> 
> ?--
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk?,?
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity?,?
> Department of History and Classics?,?
> University of Alberta, Canada?.?
> South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca???
> 
> 
>> On 18 October 2017 at 03:54, R. P. Jain <rpjain1903 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Dr. Dominik
>> 
>> 
>> I really commend Prof. Dominik Wujastyk for his concerns over some Publishers against open research platform, the Researchgate. I?d also like to share my thoughts in this regard. My main question is that how one can ensure the quality of research on such platforms, without being peer reviewed? With free contribution how the papers can be refereed? Again, will the scholars themselves review such projects free of prejudice as there will be no pecuniary benefit involved? You see, the like the commercial considerations of any Publisher, the same work for or against any emerging or reputed scholars.  Today, already we?ve plethora of online International Journals, whose credibility are being questioned increasingly day by day. They are more in the nature of predatory Journals, rather than giving any assistance to any emerging scholar. If still there is still any worthiness left in this sector then that is because of those Journals, who already have established their reputation through their hard copy publications.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> After facing the onslaught of online publications for a decade, I can confidently say that online stream of any kind can only work as assistance, but they can never take place of hard copy publications either in ensuring creditworthiness or ease in reading. Still, being the Publisher myself, I?m in support of fellow Publishers? cartel of ACS Publications
>> 
>> Sincerely
>> Rajeev Jain 
>> Motilal Banarsidass
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> A cartel of publishers, amongst whom I am very sorry to see Brill, has come together to shut down Researchgate.  The cartel consists of ACS Publications, Brill, Elsevier, Wiley and Wolters Kluwer.  These are companies that control quite a section of indological publishing.
>>> 
>>> Springer is not part of the cartel, and is holding separate talks with Researchgate.  There is hope that they may come to some agreement.
>>> 
>>> I am not surprised to see the industry moving against open research in this way.  The free circulation of the creative work of academics is obviously a direct threat to their revenues.  They depend entirely upon us to create research output, and then give them all our rights so they can profit from from our work.  I know there are other points of view on this issue, but I have thought about this as much as many people, and I take the position I take.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Dominik Wujastyk
>>> 
>>> References: 
>>> the new cartel's website: http://www.responsiblesharing.org/
>>> Springer Nature: http://group.springernature.com/gp/group/media/press-releases/researchgate-and-springer-nature-plan-cooperation-/15118294
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ?--
>>> Professor Dominik Wujastyk?,?
>>> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity?,?
>>> Department of History and Classics?,?
>>> University of Alberta, Canada?.?
>>> South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> ---------------------------
>> "Ananda" Villa # 7,
>> 10 A, Rajniwas Marg
>> Civil Lines
>> Delhi - 110 054 (India)
>> -----------------------------
>> Your enemy is your greatest teacher ... 
> 
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From manjushree42 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 20 14:02:54 2017
From: manjushree42 at gmail.com (Manjushree Hegde)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 17 19:32:54 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Call for Participation: Workshop on 'Philosophy of Language'
Message-ID: <CANrUQiT2ou=MT4Mb2j36YoGxPV1dVuRT+KXOmtrxq62-SFw2Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,


We are pleased to announce that Amrita Darshanam ? International Centre for
Spiritual Studies ? is organizing a one-day workshop on ?Philosophy of
Language: Reading of the Brahmak???a of Bhart?hari?s V?kyapad?ya? on 16th
November 2017 in Amrita Vishwa Vidyapeetham, Bengaluru.


Prof. Ashok Akjulkar <http://asia.ubc.ca/persons/ashok-aklujkar/> (
Professor *Emeritus*, University of British Columbia) will be conducting
the sessions.


The workshop is open to all interested. Kindly refer to the attached
brochure for further information.


Apologies for cross-posting.


Best wishes,

Manjushree Hegde,

Assistant Professor,

Amrita Vishwa Vidyapeetham,

Ettimadai, Coimbatore-641112.

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From luther.obrock at gmail.com  Fri Oct 20 14:03:48 2017
From: luther.obrock at gmail.com (luther obrock)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 17 10:03:48 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf Request
Message-ID: <CALM2Y+q_aevNQtG2_5VumrHRufnoOH8iC5hgePiHWRr-Uu2WKg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone had a pdf of R. S. Sharma's "State and Varna
Formation in the Mid-Ganga Plain" they might be able to share.

Thank you very much in advance,

Luther


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From martingansten at gmail.com  Mon Oct 23 03:15:08 2017
From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 17 05:15:08 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Northern and southern Devanagari
Message-ID: <dd4d67ac-e790-cf90-5b77-cff8b9bb40bb@gmail.com>

Apologies for what is perhaps a very basic question:

I have always unreflectingly accepted the common distinction between 
northern ('Calcutta-style') and southern ('Bombay-style') Devanagari. 
Recently, though, I noticed that some manuscripts mix the two -- for 
instance, using a 'northern' /?a /but a 'southern' /a/, or even 
alternating between the two kinds of /?a /(in the same copyist's hand). 
Is there any special significance to this -- for example, particular 
regions and/or historical periods in which the two styles were less 
distinct? Or should it just be seen as a personal quirk of the scribe 
(perhaps an itinerant one)?

Thanks in advance for any light on this,
Martin Gansten



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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon Oct 23 03:20:00 2017
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 17 20:20:00 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Northern and southern Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <dd4d67ac-e790-cf90-5b77-cff8b9bb40bb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzdkKpMMCcR5eLLcvKH3CyCmS2cL3vZMM-rkoGhxMu7jpA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Martin,

     One quirk I noticed in the manuscripts of the ?aunak?ya Catur?dhy?yik?
is that some of them would make inconsistent use of the Pr???ham?tr?s, some
of them would use them consistently, while some never used them.  I could
not figure out why some scribes would use them inconsistently.

Madhav Deshpande

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Apologies for what is perhaps a very basic question:
>
> I have always unreflectingly accepted the common distinction between
> northern ('Calcutta-style') and southern ('Bombay-style') Devanagari.
> Recently, though, I noticed that some manuscripts mix the two -- for
> instance, using a 'northern' *?a *but a 'southern' *a*, or even
> alternating between the two kinds of *?a *(in the same copyist's hand).
> Is there any special significance to this -- for example, particular
> regions and/or historical periods in which the two styles were less
> distinct? Or should it just be seen as a personal quirk of the scribe
> (perhaps an itinerant one)?
>
> Thanks in advance for any light on this,
> Martin Gansten
>
>
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From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Mon Oct 23 16:58:46 2017
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 17 11:58:46 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Northern and southern Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <dd4d67ac-e790-cf90-5b77-cff8b9bb40bb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHRgzy2YO55xQT3kVRGXAp1BmwjAwPcct-kEKcuzO_fcVX0gxA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Martin,

It's a very interesting question. Vernacular manuscripts from the Gangetic
plain, Rajasthan, and Gujarat, from the late sixteenth through the
eighteenth centuries, also exhibit inconsistencies in the use of graphemes
like these (more so in the latter two regions). In those cases, I've
wondered if it was due to itinerant scribes (known to work in the region)
with little familiarity or investment in the texts, but in the end I don't
think this sufficiently explains the phenomenon. I have not been able to
discern any consistent orthographic logic in the instances that I have
seen. Am curious to hear what others have to say.

Best,
Tyler



On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Apologies for what is perhaps a very basic question:
>
> I have always unreflectingly accepted the common distinction between
> northern ('Calcutta-style') and southern ('Bombay-style') Devanagari.
> Recently, though, I noticed that some manuscripts mix the two -- for
> instance, using a 'northern' *?a *but a 'southern' *a*, or even
> alternating between the two kinds of *?a *(in the same copyist's hand).
> Is there any special significance to this -- for example, particular
> regions and/or historical periods in which the two styles were less
> distinct? Or should it just be seen as a personal quirk of the scribe
> (perhaps an itinerant one)?
>
> Thanks in advance for any light on this,
> Martin Gansten
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jacob at fabularasa.dk  Tue Oct 24 09:52:05 2017
From: jacob at fabularasa.dk (jacob at fabularasa.dk)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 17 11:52:05 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Northern and southern Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <CAHRgzy2YO55xQT3kVRGXAp1BmwjAwPcct-kEKcuzO_fcVX0gxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00fa54416938a12e2300e3d89bf29724@fabularasa.dk>

Hi Martin and Tyler,

Here's a detail from a snakes-and-ladders chart dated samvat 1818 
(though I suspect it may be perhaps even a good deal later). It may not 
be exactly what you are looking for, but it does an interesting job of 
combinining devanagari and Gujarati script. The 'k's and 'l's are 
clearly Gujarati script, while the 'd's and the connecting line at the 
top is clearly devanagari. I guess it might just be a regional adoption 
of Gujarati graphemes into a predominantly devanagari-writing area, but 
I have only seen very few examples of it elsewhere.

Best,
Jacob

Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY skrev den 2017-10-23 18:58:
> Dear Martin,
> 
> It's a very interesting question. Vernacular manuscripts from the
> Gangetic plain, Rajasthan, and Gujarat, from the late sixteenth
> through the eighteenth centuries, also exhibit inconsistencies in the
> use of graphemes like these (more so in the latter two regions). In
> those cases, I've wondered if it was due to itinerant scribes (known
> to work in the region) with little familiarity or investment in the
> texts, but in the end I don't think this sufficiently explains the
> phenomenon. I have not been able to discern any consistent
> orthographic logic in the instances that I have seen. Am curious to
> hear what others have to say.
> 
> Best,
> Tyler
> 
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
>> Apologies for what is perhaps a very basic question:
>> 
>> I have always unreflectingly accepted the common distinction between
>> northern ('Calcutta-style') and southern ('Bombay-style')
>> Devanagari. Recently, though, I noticed that some manuscripts mix
>> the two -- for instance, using a 'northern' _?a _but a 'southern'
>> _a_, or even alternating between the two kinds of _?a _(in the
>> same copyist's hand). Is there any special significance to this --
>> for example, particular regions and/or historical periods in which
>> the two styles were less distinct? Or should it just be seen as a
>> personal quirk of the scribe (perhaps an itinerant one)?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any light on this,
>> Martin Gansten
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
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From jacob at fabularasa.dk  Tue Oct 24 10:04:05 2017
From: jacob at fabularasa.dk (jacob at fabularasa.dk)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 17 12:04:05 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Northern and southern Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <CAHRgzy2YO55xQT3kVRGXAp1BmwjAwPcct-kEKcuzO_fcVX0gxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7d2f8c2e98ec7c5af929157c97230fb9@fabularasa.dk>

PS: I should have added that the chart was allegedly made in the village 
of Siriyari near Deogarh, Rajasthan, a predominantly Marwari-speaking 
area close to a predominantly Mewari-speaking area.

Best,
Jacob

---

Hi Martin and Tyler,

Here's a detail from a snakes-and-ladders chart dated samvat 1818 
(though I suspect it may be perhaps even a good deal later). It may not 
be exactly what you are looking for, but it does an interesting job of 
combinining devanagari and Gujarati script. The 'k's and 'l's are 
clearly Gujarati script, while the 'd's and the connecting line at the 
top is clearly devanagari. I guess it might just be a regional adoption 
of Gujarati graphemes into a predominantly devanagari-writing area, but 
I have only seen very few examples of it elsewhere.

Best,
Jacob

Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY skrev den 2017-10-23 18:58:
> Dear Martin,
> 
> It's a very interesting question. Vernacular manuscripts from the
> Gangetic plain, Rajasthan, and Gujarat, from the late sixteenth
> through the eighteenth centuries, also exhibit inconsistencies in the
> use of graphemes like these (more so in the latter two regions). In
> those cases, I've wondered if it was due to itinerant scribes (known
> to work in the region) with little familiarity or investment in the
> texts, but in the end I don't think this sufficiently explains the
> phenomenon. I have not been able to discern any consistent
> orthographic logic in the instances that I have seen. Am curious to
> hear what others have to say.
> 
> Best,
> Tyler
> 
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
>> Apologies for what is perhaps a very basic question:
>> 
>> I have always unreflectingly accepted the common distinction between
>> northern ('Calcutta-style') and southern ('Bombay-style')
>> Devanagari. Recently, though, I noticed that some manuscripts mix
>> the two -- for instance, using a 'northern' _?a _but a 'southern'
>> _a_, or even alternating between the two kinds of _?a _(in the
>> same copyist's hand). Is there any special significance to this --
>> for example, particular regions and/or historical periods in which
>> the two styles were less distinct? Or should it just be seen as a
>> personal quirk of the scribe (perhaps an itinerant one)?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any light on this,
>> Martin Gansten
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>> options or unsubscribe)
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From martingansten at gmail.com  Wed Oct 25 05:33:54 2017
From: martingansten at gmail.com (Martin Gansten)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 17 07:33:54 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Northern and southern Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <7d2f8c2e98ec7c5af929157c97230fb9@fabularasa.dk>
Message-ID: <3beff2ab-2741-db00-0d85-5ece03c7ca26@gmail.com>

Thanks to Madhav, Tyler and Jacob for their comments so far. The few 
replies seem to suggest that I am not alone in having a less than 
perfect grip on the history of the 'north/south' distinction.

Best wishes,
Martin






From emstern1948 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 25 06:00:39 2017
From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 17 02:00:39 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Northern and southern Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <3beff2ab-2741-db00-0d85-5ece03c7ca26@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5EA9F2B5-2398-4E39-B960-22854249029E@gmail.com>

I notice inconsistent use of p???ham?tr? similar to the use Madhav reported in the oldest manuscript of ny?yaka?ik? available to me. My impression is that the original copyist generally used p???ham?tr? but used non p???ham?tr? forms in some instances to correct what he originally wrote. I must stress that this is only am impression!

> On 25 Oct  2017, at 01:33, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Madhav, Tyler and Jacob for their comments so far. The few replies seem to suggest that I am not alone in having a less than perfect grip on the history of the 'north/south' distinction.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Martin
> 
> 
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From anurupa.n at ifpindia.org  Wed Oct 25 11:31:30 2017
From: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org (Anurupa Naik)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 17 17:01:30 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New publication of the French Institute of Pondicherry
Message-ID: <6cca68ce-a927-0be1-48d1-ffbe9adb4eec@ifpindia.org>

*JUST RELEASED
*

*G?palla Gr?mam ou le village de G?pallam (?dition bilingue 
tamoul-fran?ais / Tamil-French bilingual edition) *
R?cit traduit du tamoul et pr?sent? par Elisabeth Sethupathy, Regards 
sur l'Asie du Sud no. 10, Institut Fran?ais dePondich?ry, 2017, 267 p.
Languages: Tamil, French *650 Rs (28 ?)*.ISBN: 978-81-8470-217-0

This multifaceted novel projects us into a village in Tamil Nadu which 
is believed to have been established by Telugu people, who like many 
others centuries ago, left Andhra and its turmoil to settle in the 
peaceful environment of southern Tamil Nadu. Belonging himself to such a 
village, Ki. Rajanarayanan, a gifted story-teller, succeeds in giving us 
an authentic view of rural Indian life in all its depth and moving humanity.

*About the author*

Ki. Rajanarayanan (born in 1922) whose ancestors were Telugus, is a 
Tamil writer whose work includes novels, short-stories and numerous 
essays. Equally involved in folklore and deeply concerned with?rural 
life, he has, since the nineteen-fifties, never stopped documenting his 
karisal region through its oral literature, dialect specificities, ways 
of life and mentalities. He inspired a whole generation of writers and 
has trained folklore specialists in Tamil Nadu. He received the Sahitya 
Akademi award in 1991.

*About the translator*

Elisabeth Barnoud-Sethupathy, Associate Professor at the National 
Institute of Oriental Languages and Civilizations (INALCO, Paris) is in 
charge of the Tamil Studies Department and is a specialist of 
pedagogical issues in contemporary Tamil.

----------------

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Ph: +91-413-2231660 / 661. Fax: +91 413-2231605
E-mail: _library at ifpindia.org <mailto:library at ifpindia.org>_**
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-- 
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French Institute of Pondicherry (IFP)
UMIFRE 21 CNRS-MAEE
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From collinb1 at ohio.edu  Wed Oct 25 14:32:03 2017
From: collinb1 at ohio.edu (Collins, Brian)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 17 14:32:03 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nicolas Dejenne Contact Info
Message-ID: <0A2A9FBA-8C10-4833-AA01-9B3C431756A1@ohio.edu>

Dear List,

Does anyone have contact information for Nicolas Dejenne at Paris 3? My emails keep getting waitlisted.

Thanks,

Brian




Asst. Prof. Brian Collins
Drs. Ram and Sushila Gawande Chair in Indian Religion and Philosophy
N282 Lindley Hall
Ohio University
Athens, OH 45701
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From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Wed Oct 25 15:50:26 2017
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 17 10:50:26 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Northern and southern Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <00fa54416938a12e2300e3d89bf29724@fabularasa.dk>
Message-ID: <CAHRgzy2ruPCtA_-w9twGHsv1g_R_6kMf-6QggWBhw6TJUc_u+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jacob,

Thank you for sharing this-- I imagine that there must be more instances of
this in the region that the chart is from. Will keep an eye out for such in
the future.

I also suspect that, in the case of manuscripts from the 'Hindi heartland',
Kaithi characters appear in Devanagari manuscripts more often than one
might assume. I've seen isolated Kaithi characters appear in Devanagari
manuscripts in such a way that I hardly noticed them at first. Some of the
graphemes of 'mercantile' scripts are so close to their Devanagari
counterparts that the distinction is hardly noticeable.

Best,
Tyler



On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:52 AM, <jacob at fabularasa.dk> wrote:

> Hi Martin and Tyler,
>
> Here's a detail from a snakes-and-ladders chart dated samvat 1818 (though
> I suspect it may be perhaps even a good deal later). It may not be exactly
> what you are looking for, but it does an interesting job of combinining
> devanagari and Gujarati script. The 'k's and 'l's are clearly Gujarati
> script, while the 'd's and the connecting line at the top is clearly
> devanagari. I guess it might just be a regional adoption of Gujarati
> graphemes into a predominantly devanagari-writing area, but I have only
> seen very few examples of it elsewhere.
>
> Best,
> Jacob
>
> Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY skrev den 2017-10-23 18:58:
>
>> Dear Martin,
>>
>> It's a very interesting question. Vernacular manuscripts from the
>> Gangetic plain, Rajasthan, and Gujarat, from the late sixteenth
>> through the eighteenth centuries, also exhibit inconsistencies in the
>> use of graphemes like these (more so in the latter two regions). In
>> those cases, I've wondered if it was due to itinerant scribes (known
>> to work in the region) with little familiarity or investment in the
>> texts, but in the end I don't think this sufficiently explains the
>> phenomenon. I have not been able to discern any consistent
>> orthographic logic in the instances that I have seen. Am curious to
>> hear what others have to say.
>>
>> Best,
>> Tyler
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY
>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Apologies for what is perhaps a very basic question:
>>>
>>> I have always unreflectingly accepted the common distinction between
>>> northern ('Calcutta-style') and southern ('Bombay-style')
>>> Devanagari. Recently, though, I noticed that some manuscripts mix
>>> the two -- for instance, using a 'northern' _?a _but a 'southern'
>>> _a_, or even alternating between the two kinds of _?a _(in the
>>> same copyist's hand). Is there any special significance to this --
>>> for example, particular regions and/or historical periods in which
>>> the two styles were less distinct? Or should it just be seen as a
>>> personal quirk of the scribe (perhaps an itinerant one)?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any light on this,
>>> Martin Gansten
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>> options or unsubscribe)
>>>
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From dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com  Wed Oct 25 16:38:34 2017
From: dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com (Dr. Rupali Mokashi)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 17 22:08:34 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Maski_inscription_of_A=C5=9Boka_by_D_C_Sircar?=
Message-ID: <CAK2tbYztB=hz6S_KewLZc+LWCC_tnntzkcanBdcTkhGsSJuZFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members
Can anyone share a pdf of Maski inscription of A?oka
? by D C sircar?
Regards
Rupali Mokashi
?
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 02:20:15 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 17 20:20:15 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Northern and southern Devanagari
In-Reply-To: <3beff2ab-2741-db00-0d85-5ece03c7ca26@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcYGaCkiqe2Of04s_d=X2wP2cOzU3=Fy67p66XYJe6kUg@mail.gmail.com>

All of which shows how desperately we need a sound study of manuscript
palaeography from the period of about 1200 to 1900.  There are enough
catalogues with indexes of dated and located manuscripts to make such a
work possible within a reasonable time.

?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
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South Asia at the U of A:

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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 05:15:34 2017
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 17 06:15:34 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nicolas Dejenne Contact Info
In-Reply-To: <0A2A9FBA-8C10-4833-AA01-9B3C431756A1@ohio.edu>
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoATFyphSLTZd5M5bEqZ_n69JXv_SuMjZPU6nmXfbV0rTw@mail.gmail.com>

you may try   nicolas.dejenne at gmail.com

On 25 October 2017 at 15:32, Collins, Brian via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> Does anyone have contact information for Nicolas Dejenne at Paris 3? My
> emails keep getting waitlisted.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> Asst. Prof. Brian Collins
> Drs. Ram and Sushila Gawande Chair in Indian Religion and Philosophy
> N282 Lindley Hall
> Ohio University
> Athens, OH 45701
> 740-597-2103 <(740)%20597-2103>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ganesan at ifpindia.org  Thu Oct 26 05:23:19 2017
From: ganesan at ifpindia.org (Dr. T. Ganesan)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 17 10:53:19 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Nicolas Dejenne Contact Info
In-Reply-To: <0A2A9FBA-8C10-4833-AA01-9B3C431756A1@ohio.edu>
Message-ID: <e9383ae6-a7bb-3965-dfc4-177a5afa375c@ifpindia.org>

This is his present email contact: *nicolas.dejenne at ifpindia.org*

Ganesan


On 25-10-2017 20:02, Collins, Brian via INDOLOGY wrote:
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From bihanisarkar at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 26 13:51:58 2017
From: bihanisarkar at googlemail.com (Bihani Sarkar)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 17 14:51:58 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_New_Publication:_'Heroic_Sh=C4=81ktism:_the_cult_of_Durg=C4=81_in_Ancient_Indian_Kingship'?=
Message-ID: <CABC99BSdXFAAgrOfR7qsL_CFKFobfD0qrQWT+js-H+789mPOjA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

I wish to share the news of the publication of my book 'Heroic Sh?ktism:
the cult of Durg? in Ancient Indian Kingship'. The book is being published
by the British Academy and the Oxford University Press. A pr?cis of the
book is as follows:

'Heroic ??ktism is the belief that a good king and a true warrior must
worship the goddess Durg?, the form and substance of kingship. This belief
formed the bedrock of ancient Indian practices of cultivating political
power. Wildly dangerous and serenely benevolent at one and the same time,
the goddess's charismatic split nature promised rewards for a hero and king
and success in risky ventures.

This book is the first expansive historical treatment of the cult of Durg?
and the role it played in shaping ideas and rituals of heroism in India
between the 3rd and the 12th centuries CE. Within the story of ancient
Indian kingship, two critical transitions overlapped with the rise of
heroic ??ktism: the decline of the war-god Skanda-Mah?sena as a military
symbol, and the concomitant rise of the early Indian kingdom. As the
rhetoric of kingship once strongly linked to the older war god shifted to
the cultural narratives of the goddess, her political imagery broadened in
its cultural resonance. And indigenous territorial deities became
associated with Durg? as smaller states unified into a broader conception
of civilization.

By assessing the available epigraphic, literary and scriptural sources in
Sanskrit, and anthropological studies on politics and ritual, Bihani Sarkar
demonstrates that the association between Indian kingship and the cult's
belief-systems was an ancient one based on efforts to augment worldly
power.'

For more on the book, see
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/heroic-shktism-9780197266106?cc=gb&lang=en&

There is a 30% discount if you order on the OUP website using the code
AAFLYG6.


Sincerely,


Bihani Sarkar BA, M.Phil, D.Phil (Oxon),
(Formerly: British Academic Postdoctoral Fellow, Oriental Institute, Oxford
University)
Teaching Fellow in South Asian Religions, Leeds University,
Associate Member,  Christ Church College, Oxford University


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From: bihanisarkar at googlemail.com (Bihani Sarkar)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 17 18:14:27 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:_New_Publication:_'Heroic_Sh=C4=81ktism:_the_cult_of_Durg=C4=81_in_Ancient_Indian_Kingship'?=
In-Reply-To: <CABC99BSdXFAAgrOfR7qsL_CFKFobfD0qrQWT+js-H+789mPOjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABC99BTtj7GcbnsAEGMj-3aB1CfPf32_0Kw-7m1L4vL6EcuDtw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

I wish to share the news of the publication of my book 'Heroic Sh?ktism:
the cult of Durg? in Ancient Indian Kingship'. The book is being published
by the British Academy and the Oxford University Press. A pr?cis of the
book is as follows:

'Heroic ??ktism is the belief that a good king and a true warrior must
worship the goddess Durg?, the form and substance of kingship. This belief
formed the bedrock of ancient Indian practices of cultivating political
power. Wildly dangerous and serenely benevolent at one and the same time,
the goddess's charismatic split nature promised rewards for a hero and king
and success in risky ventures.

This book is the first expansive historical treatment of the cult of Durg?
and the role it played in shaping ideas and rituals of heroism in India
between the 3rd and the 12th centuries CE. Within the story of ancient
Indian kingship, two critical transitions overlapped with the rise of
heroic ??ktism: the decline of the war-god Skanda-Mah?sena as a military
symbol, and the concomitant rise of the early Indian kingdom. As the
rhetoric of kingship once strongly linked to the older war god shifted to
the cultural narratives of the goddess, her political imagery broadened in
its cultural resonance. And indigenous territorial deities became
associated with Durg? as smaller states unified into a broader conception
of civilization.

By assessing the available epigraphic, literary and scriptural sources in
Sanskrit, and anthropological studies on politics and ritual, Bihani Sarkar
demonstrates that the association between Indian kingship and the cult's
belief-systems was an ancient one based on efforts to augment worldly
power.'

For more on the book, see https://global.oup.com/aca
demic/product/heroic-shktism-9780197266106?cc=gb&lang=en&

There is a 30% discount if you order on the OUP website using the code
AAFLYG6.


Sincerely,


Bihani Sarkar BA, M.Phil, D.Phil (Oxon),
(Formerly: British Academic Postdoctoral Fellow, Oriental Institute, Oxford
University)
Teaching Fellow in South Asian Religions, Leeds University,
Associate Member,  Christ Church College, Oxford University


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From jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de  Fri Oct 27 13:05:38 2017
From: jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de (John Peterson)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 17 15:05:38 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PhD position: Linguistic prehistory of eastern-central South Asia (and beyond) - 2nd posting
Message-ID: <5181e3b4238a61582139b080483f675d@mail.uni-kiel.de>

The research project "TOWARDS A LINGUISTIC PREHISTORY OF EASTERN-CENTRAL
SOUTH ASIA (AND BEYOND)" at the Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t in Kiel
in north Germany, funded by the German Research Council (DFG) (PE
872/5-1), is currently seeking to fill a PhD position (E 13 TV-L, 65%)
for a period of three years (36 months) to begin 1 January, 2018 or as
soon as possible thereafter. 

The primary goal of the project is to determine prehistoric language
contacts and spreads in South Asia, especially in eastern-central South
Asia, by examining distributional patterns and checking these for
potential areal and genealogical trends, constantly viewing this
information against the backdrop of what is known of the history of this
region and South Asia in general and taking the oral traditions and
historicizing myths of the individual ethnicities into consideration,
where possible. To achieve this goal, the project team will compile a
fine-grained morphosyntactic and phonological database on the languages
of sub-Himalayan South Asia, including Austro-Asiatic, Dravidian,
Indo-Aryan and Iranian languages as well as language isolates,
concentrating on eastern-central India, based on data from both
published studies and original field work, thereby providing us with
answers to many questions regarding the linguistic prehistory of this
part of the South Asian subcontinent (and beyond). 

 Duties include the following: 

 	* Data collection from published resources on the languages of
sub-Himalayan South Asia (Austro-Asiatic, Indo-Aryan, Iranian, Dravidian
and language isolates)
 	* surveying typological work on select linguistic topics
 	* the development of questionnaires, as needed, for use in fieldwork
 	* extensive field work in India - ca. 11 months within the first two
years of the project
 	* analysis of the raw data from fieldwork
 	* assisting the postdoctoral researcher with data mining and
explaining the patterns identified in the data
 	* assisting the postdoctoral researcher with the organization of an
international workshop at the Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t in Kiel in
connection with the project
 	* participation at various international linguistic workshops and
conferences to present the project's results

The successful candidate will hold an MA in General Linguistics (or in a
closely related field) with a background in language typology, language
description and/or language documentation (preferably all three).
Candidates with an MA in South Asian Studies / Indology will also be
considered, provided that they have a similarly strong background in
these areas. The ability to work well in a team is essential, as is the
willingness to familiarize oneself with the basic tenets of statistical
analysis, as required. 

Field work experience as well as familiarity with at least one modern
South Asian language, preferably Hindi, are a definite asset, but are
not a prerequisite for this position. If chosen, a candidate who is not
familiar with Hindi will be expected to obtain a basic knowledge of
spoken and written Hindi within the first 9 months of the project. 

The holder of this position will also have the opportunity to complete
his/her PhD during this time.  

Kiel University aims at increasing the number of women in research and
academic teaching and strongly encourages applications of accordingly
qualified women. Women will be preferred, provided equal qualifications
and scientific performance. 

The CAU supports the employment of severely disabled persons. Therefore,
severely disabled persons will be preferred, provided equal
qualifications and scientific performance. 

Applications by people with a migration background are particularly
welcomed. 

Please send applications containing a cover letter and a CV by 17
November, 2017, to the following email address:
jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de

-- 
John Peterson
Allgemeine Sprachwissenschaft (ISFAS)
Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t zu Kiel
Olshausenstra?e 40
D-24098 Kiel
Germany

Tel.: (+49) (0)431-880 2414
Fax: (+49) (0)431-880 7405

Homepage:
http://www.isfas.uni-kiel.de/de/linguistik/mitarbeitende/john-peterson

"There's no present like the time."


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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Fri Oct 27 20:13:08 2017
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 17 20:13:08 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Vedic citation
Message-ID: <E7DD7E0D-5D96-49A5-BBA7-54503A5C2959@austin.utexas.edu>

I need help in locating a Vedic passage about gods giving different boons to women. This is given also in Baudh?yan Dh S  (2.4.5) and Vasi??ha Dh S (28.6). But in the original version women ask the gods to give them the power to have sex anytime. I have used this passage in the past, but now cannot put my finger on it. Can anyone trace the passage? I?d be very grateful. Thanks.

Patrick Olivelle




From revolvingsound at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 22:17:09 2017
From: revolvingsound at gmail.com (Brian Campbell)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 17 15:17:09 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Vedic Citation
Message-ID: <CALBYX4WTTxZesDAxmSvLn-dCK+aNfVj0-s3mzKdCkO_74bn=mg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Patrick,

I believe the boon you are referring to is from the Yajur Veda (Taitt?rya
Samhit?) Kanda 2 Prapathaka 5 Verse 1.

The story is told of how Indra got rid of his guilt from slaying a brahmin
by making a deal with women in which they demanded a boon, "let us enjoy
intercourse at will up to birth."

Best wishes,

Brian Campbell



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>       Asia (and beyond) - 2nd posting (John Peterson)
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> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: New Publication: 'Heroic Sh?ktism: the cult
>         of Durg? in Ancient Indian Kingship'
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>
> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
>
> I wish to share the news of the publication of my book 'Heroic Sh?ktism:
> the cult of Durg? in Ancient Indian Kingship'. The book is being published
> by the British Academy and the Oxford University Press. A pr?cis of the
> book is as follows:
>
> 'Heroic ??ktism is the belief that a good king and a true warrior must
> worship the goddess Durg?, the form and substance of kingship. This belief
> formed the bedrock of ancient Indian practices of cultivating political
> power. Wildly dangerous and serenely benevolent at one and the same time,
> the goddess's charismatic split nature promised rewards for a hero and king
> and success in risky ventures.
>
> This book is the first expansive historical treatment of the cult of Durg?
> and the role it played in shaping ideas and rituals of heroism in India
> between the 3rd and the 12th centuries CE. Within the story of ancient
> Indian kingship, two critical transitions overlapped with the rise of
> heroic ??ktism: the decline of the war-god Skanda-Mah?sena as a military
> symbol, and the concomitant rise of the early Indian kingdom. As the
> rhetoric of kingship once strongly linked to the older war god shifted to
> the cultural narratives of the goddess, her political imagery broadened in
> its cultural resonance. And indigenous territorial deities became
> associated with Durg? as smaller states unified into a broader conception
> of civilization.
>
> By assessing the available epigraphic, literary and scriptural sources in
> Sanskrit, and anthropological studies on politics and ritual, Bihani Sarkar
> demonstrates that the association between Indian kingship and the cult's
> belief-systems was an ancient one based on efforts to augment worldly
> power.'
>
> For more on the book, see https://global.oup.com/aca
> demic/product/heroic-shktism-9780197266106?cc=gb&lang=en&
>
> There is a 30% discount if you order on the OUP website using the code
> AAFLYG6.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Bihani Sarkar BA, M.Phil, D.Phil (Oxon),
> (Formerly: British Academic Postdoctoral Fellow, Oriental Institute, Oxford
> University)
> Teaching Fellow in South Asian Religions, Leeds University,
> Associate Member,  Christ Church College, Oxford University
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From jhakgirish at gmail.com  Sat Oct 28 08:53:32 2017
From: jhakgirish at gmail.com (jhakgirish)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 14:23:32 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Link for fre download of the Vakyapadiya edited by
Message-ID: <59f44594.4cc0620a.b6045.effd@mx.google.com>

Mr Wilhelm Rau.Can any of our Scholar colleagues let ?me know of the Link for the purpose stated above.Thanks in advance.Yours sincerelyGirish K JhaUniv. ProfessorDept of SanskritPatna UniversityPatna-800 005 India


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From mbroo at abo.fi  Sat Oct 28 09:40:46 2017
From: mbroo at abo.fi (mbroo at abo.fi)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 12:40:46 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Verses on Taptamudra
Message-ID: <20171028124046.j4pke7sdkwoskock@webmail1.abo.fi>


Dear Colleagues,

I am working on a text on Vaishnava rituals (HaribhaktivilAsa) that in  
one of its chapters deals with taptamudrAdhAraNA. I am wondering what  
source the mid-16th century author has used. The author refers to  
several Puranic verses, but also obscure shruti sources such as the  
yajuHkaThAzAkhA (dhRtordhvapuNDraH kRtacakradhArI...), and atharvan  
(ebhir vayam urukramasya cihnair...). Such verses sound mAdhva to me,  
and indeed they can be found in VijayIndra's CakramImAmsA, but that  
text is a little too late to be the source for my text. My question  
therefore is, are there any older mAdhva texts dealing with  
TaptamudrAdhAraNA?

Best regards
M?ns
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Editor of Temenos, Nordic Journal of Comparative Religion
?bo Akademi University
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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Sat Oct 28 12:08:09 2017
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 12:08:09 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Vedic Citation
In-Reply-To: <CALBYX4WTTxZesDAxmSvLn-dCK+aNfVj0-s3mzKdCkO_74bn=mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <817B8524-BD4B-46DB-8556-0F2E1BFBC3D8@austin.utexas.edu>

Yes, indeed. I got this citation from several. Thanks to all.

Patrick



On Oct 27, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Brian Campbell via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Dear Patrick,

I believe the boon you are referring to is from the Yajur Veda (Taitt?rya Samhit?) Kanda 2 Prapathaka 5 Verse 1.

The story is told of how Indra got rid of his guilt from slaying a brahmin by making a deal with women in which they demanded a boon, "let us enjoy intercourse at will up to birth."

Best wishes,

Brian Campbell



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      Asia (and beyond) - 2nd posting (John Peterson)


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        of Durg? in Ancient Indian Kingship'
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Dear Friends and Colleagues,

I wish to share the news of the publication of my book 'Heroic Sh?ktism:
the cult of Durg? in Ancient Indian Kingship'. The book is being published
by the British Academy and the Oxford University Press. A pr?cis of the
book is as follows:

'Heroic ??ktism is the belief that a good king and a true warrior must
worship the goddess Durg?, the form and substance of kingship. This belief
formed the bedrock of ancient Indian practices of cultivating political
power. Wildly dangerous and serenely benevolent at one and the same time,
the goddess's charismatic split nature promised rewards for a hero and king
and success in risky ventures.

This book is the first expansive historical treatment of the cult of Durg?
and the role it played in shaping ideas and rituals of heroism in India
between the 3rd and the 12th centuries CE. Within the story of ancient
Indian kingship, two critical transitions overlapped with the rise of
heroic ??ktism: the decline of the war-god Skanda-Mah?sena as a military
symbol, and the concomitant rise of the early Indian kingdom. As the
rhetoric of kingship once strongly linked to the older war god shifted to
the cultural narratives of the goddess, her political imagery broadened in
its cultural resonance. And indigenous territorial deities became
associated with Durg? as smaller states unified into a broader conception
of civilization.

By assessing the available epigraphic, literary and scriptural sources in
Sanskrit, and anthropological studies on politics and ritual, Bihani Sarkar
demonstrates that the association between Indian kingship and the cult's
belief-systems was an ancient one based on efforts to augment worldly
power.'

For more on the book, see https://global.oup.com/aca
demic/product/heroic-shktism-9780197266106?cc=gb&lang=en&

There is a 30% discount if you order on the OUP website using the code
AAFLYG6.


Sincerely,


Bihani Sarkar BA, M.Phil, D.Phil (Oxon),
(Formerly: British Academic Postdoctoral Fellow, Oriental Institute, Oxford
University)
Teaching Fellow in South Asian Religions, Leeds University,
Associate Member,  Christ Church College, Oxford University
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From: John Peterson <jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de<mailto:jpeterson at isfas.uni-kiel.de>>
To: indology <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PhD position: Linguistic prehistory of
        eastern-central South Asia (and beyond) - 2nd posting
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The research project "TOWARDS A LINGUISTIC PREHISTORY OF EASTERN-CENTRAL
SOUTH ASIA (AND BEYOND)" at the Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t in Kiel
in north Germany, funded by the German Research Council (DFG) (PE
872/5-1), is currently seeking to fill a PhD position (E 13 TV-L, 65%)
for a period of three years (36 months) to begin 1 January, 2018 or as
soon as possible thereafter.

The primary goal of the project is to determine prehistoric language
contacts and spreads in South Asia, especially in eastern-central South
Asia, by examining distributional patterns and checking these for
potential areal and genealogical trends, constantly viewing this
information against the backdrop of what is known of the history of this
region and South Asia in general and taking the oral traditions and
historicizing myths of the individual ethnicities into consideration,
where possible. To achieve this goal, the project team will compile a
fine-grained morphosyntactic and phonological database on the languages
of sub-Himalayan South Asia, including Austro-Asiatic, Dravidian,
Indo-Aryan and Iranian languages as well as language isolates,
concentrating on eastern-central India, based on data from both
published studies and original field work, thereby providing us with
answers to many questions regarding the linguistic prehistory of this
part of the South Asian subcontinent (and beyond).

 Duties include the following:

        * Data collection from published resources on the languages of
sub-Himalayan South Asia (Austro-Asiatic, Indo-Aryan, Iranian, Dravidian
and language isolates)
        * surveying typological work on select linguistic topics
        * the development of questionnaires, as needed, for use in fieldwork
        * extensive field work in India - ca. 11 months within the first two
years of the project
        * analysis of the raw data from fieldwork
        * assisting the postdoctoral researcher with data mining and
explaining the patterns identified in the data
        * assisting the postdoctoral researcher with the organization of an
international workshop at the Christian-Albrechts-Universit?t in Kiel in
connection with the project
        * participation at various international linguistic workshops and
conferences to present the project's results

The successful candidate will hold an MA in General Linguistics (or in a
closely related field) with a background in language typology, language
description and/or language documentation (preferably all three).
Candidates with an MA in South Asian Studies / Indology will also be
considered, provided that they have a similarly strong background in
these areas. The ability to work well in a team is essential, as is the
willingness to familiarize oneself with the basic tenets of statistical
analysis, as required.

Field work experience as well as familiarity with at least one modern
South Asian language, preferably Hindi, are a definite asset, but are
not a prerequisite for this position. If chosen, a candidate who is not
familiar with Hindi will be expected to obtain a basic knowledge of
spoken and written Hindi within the first 9 months of the project.

The holder of this position will also have the opportunity to complete
his/her PhD during this time.

Kiel University aims at increasing the number of women in research and
academic teaching and strongly encourages applications of accordingly
qualified women. Women will be preferred, provided equal qualifications
and scientific performance.

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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Oct 28 13:32:02 2017
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 06:32:02 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Link for fre download of the Vakyapadiya edited by
In-Reply-To: <59f44594.4cc0620a.b6045.effd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzci6YuhPkVkdQzhB2ZNf00x0RKz3CiUv2ubRsa80VgUQA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Professor Jha,

     I have not seen a scan of Wilhelm Rau's edition of the V?kyapad?ya,
but here is a machine readable version of Rau's text prepared by Yves
Ramseier.  Hope this is useful to you.  With best wishes,

Madhav Deshpande
Campbell, California, USA

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:53 AM, jhakgirish via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Mr Wilhelm Rau.
> Can any of our Scholar colleagues let  me know of the Link for the purpose
> stated above.
> Thanks in advance.
> Yours sincerely
> Girish K Jha
> Univ. Professor
> Dept of Sanskrit
> Patna University
> Patna-800 005 India
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sat Oct 28 13:42:44 2017
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 06:42:44 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Verses on Taptamudra
In-Reply-To: <20171028124046.j4pke7sdkwoskock@webmail1.abo.fi>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dze5E8a2xVrGYqP6PavA3PXLkk4cNg=goN9T_gUUFfsyuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello M?ns,

     In part you may be dealing with Madhva's citations that are considered
to be imagined texts by the critics of the M?dhvas.  For a critique of this
practice of Taptamudr?dh?ra?a, you can consult Appayya D?k?ita's
Madhvatantramukhamardana and Bha??oji D?k?ita's Tantr?dhik?rinir?aya.
Perhaps these critiques contain some discussion of the Madhvaite sources
for this practice.

Madhav Deshpande

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 2:40 AM, M?ns Broo via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I am working on a text on Vaishnava rituals (HaribhaktivilAsa) that in one
> of its chapters deals with taptamudrAdhAraNA. I am wondering what source
> the mid-16th century author has used. The author refers to several Puranic
> verses, but also obscure shruti sources such as the yajuHkaThAzAkhA
> (dhRtordhvapuNDraH kRtacakradhArI...), and atharvan (ebhir vayam
> urukramasya cihnair...). Such verses sound mAdhva to me, and indeed they
> can be found in VijayIndra's CakramImAmsA, but that text is a little too
> late to be the source for my text. My question therefore is, are there any
> older mAdhva texts dealing with TaptamudrAdhAraNA?
>
> Best regards
> M?ns
> --
> Dr. M?ns Broo
> Senior Lecturer of Comparative Religion
> Editor of Temenos, Nordic Journal of Comparative Religion
> ?bo Akademi University
> Fabriksgatan 2
> FI-20500 ?bo, Finland
> phone: +358-2-2154398
> fax: +358-2-2154902
> mobile: +358-50-5695754
>
>
>
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From gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de  Sat Oct 28 16:07:57 2017
From: gruenen at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Gruenendahl, Reinhold)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 16:07:57 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Link for fre download of the Vakyapadiya edited by
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzci6YuhPkVkdQzhB2ZNf00x0RKz3CiUv2ubRsa80VgUQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D94014A8CAF3B@um-excdag-a05.um.gwdg.de>

A machine-readable text in Unicode, including a pada index, is available on GRETIL since 2002:

http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm#BhartrVak

Best wishes,
R.G.




________________________________
Von: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info]" im Auftrag von "Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Oktober 2017 15:32
An: jhakgirish; indology at list.indology.info
Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Link for fre download of the Vakyapadiya edited by

Dear Professor Jha,

     I have not seen a scan of Wilhelm Rau's edition of the V?kyapad?ya, but here is a machine readable version of Rau's text prepared by Yves Ramseier.  Hope this is useful to you.  With best wishes,

Madhav Deshpande
Campbell, California, USA

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:53 AM, jhakgirish via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Mr Wilhelm Rau.
Can any of our Scholar colleagues let  me know of the Link for the purpose stated above.
Thanks in advance.
Yours sincerely
Girish K Jha
Univ. Professor
Dept of Sanskrit
Patna University
Patna-800 005 India



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Sat Oct 28 16:53:44 2017
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 16:53:44 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] article search
Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047C79777@xm-mbx-06-prod>


Dear friends,

Might anyone have a pdf of the following two-part article by Andr? Bareau, from the Journal Asiatique:

?  Trois  trait?s  sur  les  sectes  bouddhiques,  attribu?s  ?  Vasumitra,  Bhavya  et  Vinitadeva  ?,  1?re  partie,  JA,  1954,  229-266.
?  Trois  trait?s  sur  les  sectes  bouddhiques,  attribu?s  ?  Vasumitra,  Bhavya  et  Vin?tadeva  ?,  2e  partie,  JA,  1956,  167-200.

with thanks in advance,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sat Oct 28 17:41:45 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 23:11:45 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Verses on Taptamudra
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dze5E8a2xVrGYqP6PavA3PXLkk4cNg=goN9T_gUUFfsyuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eaH2_SYwVdYBRZA9ZfT87RzrZE4tWre4e5P0NEmk6w8VQ@mail.gmail.com>

Though sources quoted, like Rigveda, Padma Purana etc. , are obviously
pre-Madhva, quoting history starts from Sumadhva Vijaya (9-39) , a
hagiography of Madhvacharya and the most quoted are Vadiraja's
(Vaadiraaja's) Chakrastuti., Yuktimalika..

Sumadhva Vijaya is older than 16th century.

Vadiraja is from 17th century.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Hello M?ns,
>
>      In part you may be dealing with Madhva's citations that are
> considered to be imagined texts by the critics of the M?dhvas.  For a
> critique of this practice of Taptamudr?dh?ra?a, you can consult Appayya
> D?k?ita's Madhvatantramukhamardana and Bha??oji D?k?ita's
> Tantr?dhik?rinir?aya.  Perhaps these critiques contain some discussion of
> the Madhvaite sources for this practice.
>
> Madhav Deshpande
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 2:40 AM, M?ns Broo via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> I am working on a text on Vaishnava rituals (HaribhaktivilAsa) that in
>> one of its chapters deals with taptamudrAdhAraNA. I am wondering what
>> source the mid-16th century author has used. The author refers to several
>> Puranic verses, but also obscure shruti sources such as the yajuHkaThAzAkhA
>> (dhRtordhvapuNDraH kRtacakradhArI...), and atharvan (ebhir vayam
>> urukramasya cihnair...). Such verses sound mAdhva to me, and indeed they
>> can be found in VijayIndra's CakramImAmsA, but that text is a little too
>> late to be the source for my text. My question therefore is, are there any
>> older mAdhva texts dealing with TaptamudrAdhAraNA?
>>
>> Best regards
>> M?ns
>> --
>> Dr. M?ns Broo
>> Senior Lecturer of Comparative Religion
>> Editor of Temenos, Nordic Journal of Comparative Religion
>> ?bo Akademi University
>> Fabriksgatan 2
>> FI-20500 ?bo, Finland
>> phone: +358-2-2154398
>> fax: +358-2-2154902
>> mobile: +358-50-5695754
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sat Oct 28 17:45:36 2017
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 23:15:36 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Verses on Taptamudra
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eaH2_SYwVdYBRZA9ZfT87RzrZE4tWre4e5P0NEmk6w8VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ea1BgeZ0nhiKWd+f8cHEbmhC+Sxa1q-cw2tze3y7W_8PA@mail.gmail.com>

This site has a big number of verses:

http://madhwabrahmanas.blogspot.in/2009/07/taptamudradharanam.html

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Though sources quoted, like Rigveda, Padma Purana etc. , are obviously
> pre-Madhva, quoting history starts from Sumadhva Vijaya (9-39) , a
> hagiography of Madhvacharya and the most quoted are Vadiraja's
> (Vaadiraaja's) Chakrastuti., Yuktimalika..
>
> Sumadhva Vijaya is older than 16th century.
>
> Vadiraja is from 17th century.
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Hello M?ns,
>>
>>      In part you may be dealing with Madhva's citations that are
>> considered to be imagined texts by the critics of the M?dhvas.  For a
>> critique of this practice of Taptamudr?dh?ra?a, you can consult Appayya
>> D?k?ita's Madhvatantramukhamardana and Bha??oji D?k?ita's
>> Tantr?dhik?rinir?aya.  Perhaps these critiques contain some discussion of
>> the Madhvaite sources for this practice.
>>
>> Madhav Deshpande
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 2:40 AM, M?ns Broo via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> I am working on a text on Vaishnava rituals (HaribhaktivilAsa) that in
>>> one of its chapters deals with taptamudrAdhAraNA. I am wondering what
>>> source the mid-16th century author has used. The author refers to several
>>> Puranic verses, but also obscure shruti sources such as the yajuHkaThAzAkhA
>>> (dhRtordhvapuNDraH kRtacakradhArI...), and atharvan (ebhir vayam
>>> urukramasya cihnair...). Such verses sound mAdhva to me, and indeed they
>>> can be found in VijayIndra's CakramImAmsA, but that text is a little too
>>> late to be the source for my text. My question therefore is, are there any
>>> older mAdhva texts dealing with TaptamudrAdhAraNA?
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> M?ns
>>> --
>>> Dr. M?ns Broo
>>> Senior Lecturer of Comparative Religion
>>> Editor of Temenos, Nordic Journal of Comparative Religion
>>> ?bo Akademi University
>>> Fabriksgatan 2
>>> FI-20500 ?bo, Finland
>>> phone: +358-2-2154398
>>> fax: +358-2-2154902
>>> mobile: +358-50-5695754
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>
>>
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>> committee)
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>> unsubscribe)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From ph2046 at columbia.edu  Sat Oct 28 18:04:19 2017
From: ph2046 at columbia.edu (Paul Hackett)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 14:04:19 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] article search
In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047C79777@xm-mbx-06-prod>
Message-ID: <EBC9B4D3-38DE-4868-8897-B584D3507193@columbia.edu>

Dear Matthew,

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Might anyone have a pdf of the following two-part article by Andr? Bareau, from the Journal Asiatique:
> 
> ?  Trois  trait?s  sur  les  sectes  bouddhiques,  attribu?s  ?  Vasumitra,  Bhavya  et  Vinitadeva  ?,  1?re  partie,  JA,  1954,  229-266.  
> ?  Trois  trait?s  sur  les  sectes  bouddhiques,  attribu?s  ?  Vasumitra,  Bhavya  et  Vin?tadeva  ?,  2e  partie,  JA,  1956,  167-200.   

I have a PDF of the second one: ?Trois  trait?s  sur  les  sectes  bouddhiques,  attribu?s  ?  Vasumitra,  Bhavya  et  Vin?tadeva?,  2e  partie,  JA 244(2) [1956]: 167-200.

Sending it to you off-list now.

Best,

Paul Hackett
Columbia University




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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Sat Oct 28 18:23:21 2017
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 17 18:23:21 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] article search
In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047C79777@xm-mbx-06-prod>
Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047C797D4@xm-mbx-06-prod>

Thanks to Rupert Gethin, Paul Hackett and Jonathan Silk,
I now have it!

Indology jaya jaya!

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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From markasha at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 17:22:46 2017
From: markasha at gmail.com (Mark McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 17 13:22:46 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Muktabodha at 20 Years: An Invitation to AAR Tea
Message-ID: <CACP0xaXRrqRWQ9SaqGnUzKRTy3P1p=ZEsnS7B0=GV_JjCuQ84Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

The Muktabodha Indological Research Institute is celebrating its 20th
anniversary this year. As chair of Muktabodha's Academic Advisory Council,
I would like to extend a warm invitation from the Board of Directors to
join us for a celebratory tea in Boston, held in conjunction with the
annual American Academy of Religion Conference this November.

The tea will take place on Saturday, November 18, from 5:30-7:30 at the
Westin Copley Palace Hotel Newbury & Gloucester Rooms (10 Huntington Ave,
Boston, MA).

Please see attached invitation flyer for details.

Warm regards,
Mark

-- 
Mark McLaughlin
*Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions*


*Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, VA*


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 02:15:49 2017
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 17 20:15:49 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Link for fre download of the Vakyapadiya edited by
In-Reply-To: <044C4CE033BD474EBE2ACACE8E4B1D94014A8CAF3B@um-excdag-a05.um.gwdg.de>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CedvCe_3c95hbae8r=gCe9gubRAYN9kq76Ukhe6_A6ycg@mail.gmail.com>

And an electronic edition is available at SARIT
<http://sarit.indology.info/bhartrhari-vakyapadiya.xml?view=div> too,
transcribed from Rau by Somadeva Vasudeva (start - 3.7) and Yves Ramseier
(3.8 - end).

?
--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk <http://ualberta.academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
?,?

Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
?,?

Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
?,?
University of Alberta, Canada
?.?

South Asia at the U of A:

?sas.ualberta.ca?
??


On 28 October 2017 at 10:07, Gruenendahl, Reinhold via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> A machine-readable text in Unicode, including a pada index, is available
> on GRETIL since 2002:
>
> http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil.htm#BhartrVak
>
> Best wishes,
> R.G.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Von:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info]" im Auftrag von
> "Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 28. Oktober 2017 15:32
> *An:* jhakgirish; indology at list.indology.info
> *Betreff:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Link for fre download of the Vakyapadiya edited
> by
>
> Dear Professor Jha,
>
>      I have not seen a scan of Wilhelm Rau's edition of the V?kyapad?ya,
> but here is a machine readable version of Rau's text prepared by Yves
> Ramseier.  Hope this is useful to you.  With best wishes,
>
> Madhav Deshpande
> Campbell, California, USA
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:53 AM, jhakgirish via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Mr Wilhelm Rau.
>> Can any of our Scholar colleagues let  me know of the Link for the
>> purpose stated above.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Yours sincerely
>> Girish K Jha
>> Univ. Professor
>> Dept of Sanskrit
>> Patna University
>> Patna-800 005 India
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From clemency.montelle at canterbury.ac.nz  Mon Oct 30 09:59:05 2017
From: clemency.montelle at canterbury.ac.nz (Clemency Montelle)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 17 09:59:05 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Private Indic manuscript libraries
Message-ID: <373FE003EA3D2949BCC16219C67CBBF77FD67020@UCEXMBX04-I.canterbury.ac.nz>

Dear colleagues,

As part of work Kim Plofker and I are doing on manuscripts of numerical tables in Sanskrit, in addition to considering those examples that can be found in manuscript collections from libraries and universities, we found ourselves faced with those that originate from private collections or through dealers.

We realised that we are unfamiliar with research more generally on Indic private manuscript collections, their origins, the extent of them, their circumstances, and what happens to them over time (if indeed such research exists).  There is of course quite a bit of media surrounding the sale of antiquities and art treasures privately and various legal issues surrounding this.

But has anyone done any research on private manuscript libraries on the Indian subcontinent?  Or on related (and possibly more delicate) questions on where private dealers get their manuscripts from?

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

with best wishes,
Clemency

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From arjunsr1987 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 11:23:54 2017
From: arjunsr1987 at gmail.com (Arjuna S R)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 17 16:53:54 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Verses on Taptamudra
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9ea1BgeZ0nhiKWd+f8cHEbmhC+Sxa1q-cw2tze3y7W_8PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOy-tFQ58yyMLEA_UopvPjiiPW-g3L2Eoh4xHY4G+c_ugAkR7g@mail.gmail.com>

?
Dear scholars,

?
Taptamudra
? ?
is considered as
? ?
one of the five
? parts of

vai??avad?k?? (b
*?hya)*. It is referred in the following texts -

   1.
*V?ddha-h?r?ta-sm?ti (2nd Chapter) *
   2. Vi??u-rahasya (7th Chapter)
   3. Cakra-m?m??s? by Vijay?ndrat?rtha
   4. Sanaka-sm?ti (vi??ornuketi mantre?a t?payitv? sudar?anam .....)
   5. P?dma-sm?ti
   6. G?ru?a-sm?ti
   7. N?rada-sm?ti
   8. Vihage?vara-sa?hit?
   9. Yukti-mallik? of ?r?v?dir?ja (Phalasaurabha, 578 to 650verses)
   10. K????c?rya's Sm?ti-mukt?val? (While discussing Upanayana-sa?sk?ra )
   11. Skanda-pur??a (Vai??avakha??a)


?I found all the above information from Prof Sagri Raghavendra Upadhyaya, a
renowned Dvaita, Dharmashastra and Purana scholar from Udupi region.
 He has his own publishing house (Paravidy? Prak??ana) and published more
than
 50 books.
 One of his work titled
? ?
V
*ai??avad?k?e? ?*
[Kannada work] is the source for all these information.


I hope this helps.

Thank you.

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> This site has a big number of verses:
>
> http://madhwabrahmanas.blogspot.in/2009/07/taptamudradharanam.html
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Though sources quoted, like Rigveda, Padma Purana etc. , are obviously
>> pre-Madhva, quoting history starts from Sumadhva Vijaya (9-39) , a
>> hagiography of Madhvacharya and the most quoted are Vadiraja's
>> (Vaadiraaja's) Chakrastuti., Yuktimalika..
>>
>> Sumadhva Vijaya is older than 16th century.
>>
>> Vadiraja is from 17th century.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello M?ns,
>>>
>>>      In part you may be dealing with Madhva's citations that are
>>> considered to be imagined texts by the critics of the M?dhvas.  For a
>>> critique of this practice of Taptamudr?dh?ra?a, you can consult Appayya
>>> D?k?ita's Madhvatantramukhamardana and Bha??oji D?k?ita's
>>> Tantr?dhik?rinir?aya.  Perhaps these critiques contain some discussion of
>>> the Madhvaite sources for this practice.
>>>
>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 2:40 AM, M?ns Broo via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> I am working on a text on Vaishnava rituals (HaribhaktivilAsa) that in
>>>> one of its chapters deals with taptamudrAdhAraNA. I am wondering what
>>>> source the mid-16th century author has used. The author refers to several
>>>> Puranic verses, but also obscure shruti sources such as the yajuHkaThAzAkhA
>>>> (dhRtordhvapuNDraH kRtacakradhArI...), and atharvan (ebhir vayam
>>>> urukramasya cihnair...). Such verses sound mAdhva to me, and indeed they
>>>> can be found in VijayIndra's CakramImAmsA, but that text is a little too
>>>> late to be the source for my text. My question therefore is, are there any
>>>> older mAdhva texts dealing with TaptamudrAdhAraNA?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> M?ns
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. M?ns Broo
>>>> Senior Lecturer of Comparative Religion
>>>> Editor of Temenos, Nordic Journal of Comparative Religion
>>>> ?bo Akademi University
>>>> Fabriksgatan 2
>>>> FI-20500 ?bo, Finland
>>>> phone: +358-2-2154398
>>>> fax: +358-2-2154902
>>>> mobile: +358-50-5695754
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>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>
>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
>
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
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From hhhock at illinois.edu  Mon Oct 30 16:05:07 2017
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 17 16:05:07 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Shared from BBC News
Message-ID: <55599488-2502-40B3-95E7-CE7A51F73005@illinois.edu>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

An BBC article on the work of Ganesh Devi should be of general interest:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-41718082

All the best,

HHH





From veerankp at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 17:52:26 2017
From: veerankp at gmail.com (Veeranarayana Pandurangi)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 17 23:22:26 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] style and mantras repeated in different Vedas
Message-ID: <CAPnSTeiiU4svBbSe4FKciCih0LGum7k_TkvnP2L1gwAMPk6m7A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All
namamsi. I request to help me.

*(1) Problem of same beginning of mantras of Different Rishis*
In Rgveda we find many mantras (of different Rishis and Mandalas) begin
with same wording. for example
Ayam has more than 70 beginnings
Ava has more than 30 entry
different versions of asmad occupy atleast three pages in index
more difficult is ? which got more than nine pages in index
???
???
?????? have all got their own share in index.
??? has some 12 mantras. Garbha has six mantra
this list continues so on and so forth.

*How different Rishis of different times and places composed mantras in
same style ? (*it is not possible unless all of them sat and planned*)*

*(2) there is one more problem-*
there are many mantras that are found in different Vedas. example.

Rgvedic mantra of Dirghatamas

?,???.??  ?????? ??????????????? ?????? ??????? ? ? ???????? ?

?,???.?? ??????????? ??????? ? ?????????????? ???????? ???????? ? is also
found in Atharvasamhita but Rshi is Kutsa with a small change.

(??,?.? ) ?????? ??????????????? ?????? ??????? ? ? ???????? ?
(??,?.? ) ???????????????? ????? ?????? ???????? ???? ???????? ?? ???

similarly, not only this mantra but whole sukta
?,???.??  ???? ?????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?

?,???.?? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????????? ?
is also found in atharvasamhita but named to be of Brahma.

Rgvedic mantra of Dirghatama

?,???.??  ???? ????????? ????????????? ????? ???? ???????? ?

?,???.?? ???????? ????????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?

is found in Taittiriya also  ???? ????????? ??????????? || ??????????? ||.

This atharva mantra (of unknown Rishi)

(??,??.?? ) ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ?

(??,??.?? ) ??????? ????????? ??????????????????? ?? ?????? ?? ????
is identically found as Atharva (?,??.? ). but Rishi is Brahma.

and there are some suktas like Purusha which have same rshi in all
versions.


*How to explain the  change of Rishis even though Mantras are same and
one?   *

I request scholars to inform me of any satisfactory
studies/papers/explanations on this repetitive mantras from western
viewpoint.

-- 
Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Director of Academics
Dean, Faculty of Vedantas
Karnakata Samskrita University,
Pampa Mahakavi Road,
Chamarajpet, Bengaluru.


?? ??????????? ??????? ???????? ? ????????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????
???????????????
?????????????? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????? ?????? ????????
??????????? (?.??.)

http://www.ksu.ac.in
http://www.ksu.ac.in/en/dr-veeranarayana-n-k-pandurangi/
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!forum/bvparishat>
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Chamarajpet, Bengaluru.


?? ??????????? ??????? ???????? ? ????????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????
???????????????
?????????????? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????? ?????? ????????
??????????? (?.??.)

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From zysk at hum.ku.dk  Tue Oct 31 07:39:36 2017
From: zysk at hum.ku.dk (Kenneth Gregory Zysk)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 17 07:39:36 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Email Address
Message-ID: <363679393C2EB44480CDA76B2F23C9F767DEB27E@P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain>

I should appreciate it if someone could send me the current email address for Hartmut Buescher.
Many thanks,
Ken

Kenneth Zysk, PhD, DPhil
Professor and Head of Indology
Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
University of Copenhagen
1 Karen Blixens Vej, Bygn. 10,
DK-2300 Copenhagen S    Denmark
Ph:  +45 3532 8951                          Email: zysk at hum.ku.dk<mailto:zysk at hum.ku.dk>



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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Tue Oct 31 15:16:15 2017
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 17 15:16:15 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Reference
Message-ID: <B88CF0E5-1B69-4626-81A2-965266947B23@austin.utexas.edu>

Could someone give me the biblio of the volume in which Lewis Rowell?s article ?Form in the ritual theatre music of ancient India? was published? Thanks.


Patrick




From rhododaktylos at gmail.com  Tue Oct 31 15:46:23 2017
From: rhododaktylos at gmail.com (Antonia Ruppel)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 17 15:46:23 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Reference
In-Reply-To: <B88CF0E5-1B69-4626-81A2-965266947B23@austin.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEjEOsBpu_=1n99+SupqG2mYtkaRC0L3ni0TR3q36-w6aZRdjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Patrick,

Google suggests the following:

?Form in the Ritual Theatre Music of Ancient India.? Musica Asiatica 5
(1988): 140?90

alternatively:

"Form in the Ritual Theatre Music of Ancient India." In Musica Asiatica,
Richard Widdess, ed. Vol. 5. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1988.
140-90.

All best,
   Antonia

On 31 October 2017 at 15:16, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Could someone give me the biblio of the volume in which Lewis Rowell?s
> article ?Form in the ritual theatre music of ancient India? was published?
> Thanks.
>
>
> Patrick
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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Tue Oct 31 16:06:29 2017
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 17 16:06:29 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Reference
In-Reply-To: <CAEjEOsBpu_=1n99+SupqG2mYtkaRC0L3ni0TR3q36-w6aZRdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6AC6E48D-12F3-4AF8-A318-B053D480F06A@austin.utexas.edu>

Thank you so much.

Patrick



On Oct 31, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Antonia Ruppel <rhododaktylos at gmail.com<mailto:rhododaktylos at gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Patrick,

Google suggests the following:

?Form in the Ritual Theatre Music of Ancient India.? Musica Asiatica 5 (1988): 140?90

alternatively:

"Form in the Ritual Theatre Music of Ancient India." In Musica Asiatica, Richard Widdess, ed. Vol. 5. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1988. 140-90.

All best,
   Antonia

On 31 October 2017 at 15:16, Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Could someone give me the biblio of the volume in which Lewis Rowell?s article ?Form in the ritual theatre music of ancient India? was published? Thanks.


Patrick
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From glhart at berkeley.edu  Tue Oct 31 16:09:07 2017
From: glhart at berkeley.edu (George Hart)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 17 12:09:07 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Welcome!
In-Reply-To: <CAA2LJ2Qs00nrYrsoZrXUHtKPjmNkwXrqcXougs_B6AxwOW9WxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19D64E0C-84BC-4A79-95A9-0359EE48BD27@berkeley.edu>

Hi Deven,

Thanks! I remember you of course as a grad student eagerly devouring the Sanskrit classics, much as I did decades earlier when I was a grad student. I am happily retired ? don?t really miss the frenetic atmosphere at Berkeley too much, especially all the bureaucracy that kept growing and was more and more imposed on professors. But of course I miss the students and teaching. It will be wonderful to see you on Thursday, and Kausalya is also looking forward to it. Thanks also for the note about Carlos. Everyone who knew him misses him. See you on Thursday, George

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Deven Patel <deven.m.patel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear George,
> 
> It has been well over 15 years since we've met but I am looking forward to welcoming you (now, as Chair) to the South Asia Studies department on Thursday to have lunch with a few of us and to have a conversation about your current research and Tamil Studies, in general.
> 
> I am looking forward to seeing you and Kausalya, if she is with you.  Carlos Mena came to Washington DC this week to take care of his deceased mother's estate and he wanted to make sure I sent you his best wishes.
> 
> Looking forward to our meeting,
> 
> Deven
> 
> -- 
> Deven M. Patel
> University of Pennsylvania