[INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions

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Dear Herman,

A forthcoming article gives some of the history of the transformation of an oral corpus of 
Kannada bhakti poetry into a printed corpus, initiated by missionaries in the 19th century. 
Would that be relevant to your work? I give details and abstract below.

Dermot Killingley

"Dasa Sahitya: Some Notes on Early Publications" by Shashikantha Koudur. Religions of 
South Asia 10.3 

Abstract: Dasa Sahitya is a literary genre in Kannada, first seen in the late fifteenth 
century. Making its mark both in literature and in Indian classical music, Dasa 
Sahitya attracted the attention of missionaries and other colonial functionaries, 
and was one of the first genres to be edited and published in Kannada in the 
mid-nineteenth century. Very soon, native editors and publishers started working 
on the genre. Usually classified under bhakti literature in the literary 
historiography of Kannada literature, Dasa Sahitya was published by individuals of 
varying interests. This essay makes a survey of some of the early publications of 
the genre, and notes varying concerns and interests with which they were 
produced. We refrain from classifying these works as either `colonial´ or 
`nationalist´, while noting that the genre and the associated works were 
inextricably linked to the Brahmin community from the days of the early 
publications, even as this community projected it as part of `Kannada´ culture. We 
also note evidence of cultural opposition to the change from manuscript to print.  

On 7 Nov 2017 at 14:49, Herman Tull via INDOLOGY wrote:

I've been following this discussion with great interest, not the least because I am just now writing a short piece on 
the effect of the Bible on literacy in India. Of course, the introduction of the printing press into India (to ensure 
distribution of Indian language bibles) is one obvious route into this. But, are there specific discussions of how the 
protestant-educated Hindus may have seen the missionary emphasis on literary culture (meaning the Bible) as 
leading to a "new" valuation of the Indian "textual" tradition (by this I refer to both oral and written text), favoring the 
literary (in the sense of a "written" text)? I have collected some bits and pieces about this (especially Blackburn's 
work and Oddie's), but if there are specific studies available, I would appreciate hearing about them.

Herman Tull
Lafayette College

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY 
<indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
    Another significant aspect she might want to focus on is "textualism" by which I mean: 
    to conclude about the reality outside the texts, purely on the basis of words in the texts. 

    In other words apart from the connections /interface / comparison / study of relative 
    significance - between oral and written texts, a similar focus on connections /interface / 
    comparison / study of relative significance - between texts and the reality of life, rituals, 
    and other facts also needs to be taken up. 

    On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY 
    <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
    In the margin of this thread, or as a very special case, following this article just 
    issued in the Hindu 
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/strings-attached/article19982142.e
    ce
    attention can be drawn to the traditional shadow-puppetry performed in several 
    Bhagavati temples of Palakkad, Malappuram and Thrissur Distr. of Kerala, called 
    Tolpavakuttu. See, with a focus on the relationship between oral and literary 
    traditions, the work of Stuart Blackburn, Inside the Drama-House: Rama Stories 
    and Shadow Puppets in South India, Berkeley: University of California Press, 
    1996 - e-version here: 
    http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft5q2nb449;brand=ucpress 
    (cf. also Gopal Venu, Tolpava Koothu: Shadow Puppets in Kerala, New Delhi: 
    Sangeet Natak Akademi, 1990; Laurent Aubert, Les Feux de la Déesse: Rituels 
    villageois du Kerala (Inde du Sud), Lausanne: Payot, 2004, pp. 107-121). Here 
    attached the picture no. 2 in the article, showing the manuscripts (in Malayalam 
    script for the one readable) attached to the oral performances (on the basis of the 
    Kampan Rm stanzas, with written and free amplifications, the former called 
    aalpau , mixing Tamil, Malayalam and Sanskrit), preserved (?...) by the 
    puppeteers.

    

    Le 6 nov. 2017 à 13:19, Tieken, H.J.H. <H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl> a 
    écrit :

    Dear List members, 
    I am not sure if it is relevant to the topic at hand, but in the introductions of, 
    for instance, the Haracarita, Raghuva´sa and the Sanskrit plays the 
    respective authors of the texts play with the idea of live performances of 
    royal panegyric, va´sas and dramas (see my "On Beginnings: 
    Introductions and Prefaces in Kavya", in: Bronner-Shulman-Tubb, 
    Innovations and Turningpoints, Oxford-Delhi 2014, pp. 86-108). 
    Herman

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    Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Christophe 
    Vielle via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
    Verzonden:  maandag 6 november 2017 8:45
    Aan: markasha at gmail.com
    CC: indology at list.indology.info
    Onderwerp:  Re: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary 
    Traditions

    The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: 
    http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/
    See Issues
*   29/2
*   October 2015
*   Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions
    List of several articles by searching s.v. "India"
    Best wishes,
    Christophe Vielle

    Le 5 nov. 2017 à 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY 
    <indology at list.indology.info > a écrit :

    It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word 
    "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a 
    written form: 

    https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_Ora 
    l_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C


    On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via 
    INDOLOGY  <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
    One could also add: 

    Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus.  Sound and 
    Communication: An Aesthetic Cultural History of 
    Sanskrit Hinduism. Vol. v. 41. Religion and Society,. 
    Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011.

    Brown, C. Mackenzie. "Puraa as Scripture: From Sound 
    to Image of the Holy Word in the Hindu 
    Tradition."History of Religions  26, no. 1 (August 1, 
    1986): 68-86.https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388.

    Hess, Linda. Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and 
    Performative Worlds in North India. New Delhi: Oxford 
    University Press, 2015.

    Lutgendorf, Philip. The Life of a Text: Performing the 
    Ramcaritmanas of Tulsidas. Berkeley: University of 
    California Press, 1991.

    Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield.Tellings 
    and Texts: Music, Literature and Performance in North 
    India. Place of publication not identified: Open Book 
    Publishers, 2015. 
    http://public.eblib.com/choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=43
    86697.

    A short but thoughtful overview of some of the 
    difficulties of characterizing the relationship between 
    written texts and oral culture has been given by Orsini and 
    Schofield inTellings... And then of course Pollock 
    compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in 
    S. Asia and Europe in  Language of the Gods. 

    And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in 
    the context of early modern North India in my 
    dissertation, which is available through Columbia U's 
    website.

    All best,
    Tyler



    On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via 
    INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
    Dear Indology mind-hive,

    I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a 
    paper on questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to 
    solicit your opinions on potential sources for her. Please see 
    her message below for a more detailed delineation of her 
    questioning. 

    Many thanks in advance! 
    Mark


    Professor McLaughlin,

    I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get 
    a better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what 
    I'm thinking: 

    What is the difference and relationship between the oral and 
    literary tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the 
    emergence of written texts, vernacularization, and the 
    subsequent privileging of textual sources by the colonial West 
    and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by the 
    privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For 
    scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy 
    should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" 
    can mean different things in different cultures? 

    Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the 
    other day! 

    Best,
    Emma

    -- 
    Mark McLaughlin
    Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian 
    Religions
    Department of Religious Studies
    College of William and Mary
    Williamsburg, VA

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