From psdmccartney at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 00:39:06 2017 From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 17 11:39:06 +1100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] jIvanmukti Message-ID: Dear Friends, Is there any mention that, once the state of *j?vanmukti* is attained, can it be undone or reversed? Or, is it a theoretically permanent disposition? Thanks. All the best, Patrick McCartney, PhD JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University Visiting Fellow - Australian National University Skype - psdmccartney Phone + Whatsapp: +61 414 954 748 Twitter - @psdmccartney *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) Yogascapes in Japan Academia - Linkedin Edanz Modern Yoga Research -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 30 October 2017 at 03:59, Clemency Montelle via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > As part of work Kim Plofker and I are doing on manuscripts of numerical > tables in Sanskrit, in addition to considering those examples that can be > found in manuscript collections from libraries and universities, we found > ourselves faced with those that originate from private collections or > through dealers. > > We realised that we are unfamiliar with research more generally on Indic > private manuscript collections, their origins, the extent of them, their > circumstances, and what happens to them over time (if indeed such research > exists). There is of course quite a bit of media surrounding the sale of > antiquities and art treasures privately and various legal issues > surrounding this. > > But has anyone done any research on private manuscript libraries on the > Indian subcontinent? 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URL: From uskokov at uchicago.edu Wed Nov 1 03:20:11 2017 From: uskokov at uchicago.edu (Aleksandar Uskokov) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 17 22:20:11 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] jIvanmukti In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Patrick, Sankara (who does not use the term jivan-mukti except once in the Bhagavad-gita-bhasya, but "if it walks like a duck ...") under Brhad-aranyaka 1.4.7 justifies the need for nididhyasana the third Vedantic process, when the Self had been known (and, eo ipso, liberation attained) by the application of sravana and manana the first two processes, with the consideration that the karma that had started bearing fruits trumps knowledge of the Self. Thus even the knower of the Self needs restrain (niyama) to guard against the functions of the body, mind, and senses. It must follow, theoretically, that there is a danger, however slight, that the state of liberation could be lost, or perhaps that final liberation could be delayed through relapse in identification. It is probably worthwhile to remember that jivan-mukti did not mean the same thing to everyone (and not to forget its aspect of freedom from the requirement to perform one's duties). Thus Bhaskara, who argued vehemently against jivan-mukti as Advaitins understood it under Brahma-Sutra 3.4.26-7, claiming that liberation in life was not possible, nevertheless affirmed explicitly a form of jivan-mukti under BS 4.1.14, that is, freedom from the psychological torments such as passion and aversion (?ar?ra-p?te tu vidu?o muktir ava?ya?-bh?vin?ti | dvidh?-muktir j?vad-avasth?y?? r?ga-dve?a-mohai? tad-a?gai? ca mad?dibhir vimukti? | p?tottara-k?lam ?tyantik?ti). Since final liberation happens only after death, provided one maintained perfect meditation on Brahman and the performance of one's ritual till death, it must also follow that this kind of jivan-mukti could theoretically be lost as well, by slacking in meditation and ritual. All best Aleksandar On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 7:39 PM, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Is there any mention that, once the state of *j?vanmukti* is attained, > can it be undone or reversed? Or, is it a theoretically permanent > disposition? > > Thanks. > > All the best, > > Patrick McCartney, PhD > JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University > Visiting Fellow - Australian National University > > Skype - psdmccartney > Phone + Whatsapp: +61 414 954 748 <+61%20414%20954%20748> > Twitter - @psdmccartney > > *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) > > > Yogascapes in Japan > > Academia > > - > > Linkedin > > > Edanz > > Modern Yoga Research > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dxs163 at case.edu Wed Nov 1 12:00:05 2017 From: dxs163 at case.edu (Deepak Sarma) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 17 08:00:05 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF of Colette Caillat's Fasting unto death according to the Jaina tradition In-Reply-To: <363679393C2EB44480CDA76B2F23C9F767DEB27E@P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain> Message-ID: All: I would be grateful if someone were to send me a PDF of Colette Caillat's Fasting unto death according to the Jaina tradition Acta Orientalia, volume 38 Oriental Societies of Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden; 1977; Stockholm, Sweden Pages 43 to 66 thanks in advance for your help! Deepak Dr. Deepak Sarma Professor of Religious Studies Professor of Bioethics (secondary appointment) School of Medicine, Case Western Reserve University Curatorial Consultant, Department of Asian Art Cleveland Museum of Art Mailing Address: Department of Religious Studies Tomlinson Hall 2121 MLK Jr. Drive Case Western Reserve University Cleveland, OH 44106-7112 office: 216-368-4790 deepak.sarma at case.edu deepaksarma.com From anna.esposito at uni-wuerzburg.de Wed Nov 1 13:13:07 2017 From: anna.esposito at uni-wuerzburg.de (Anna Aurelia Esposito) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 17 14:13:07 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF of Colette Caillat's Fasting unto death according to the Jaina tradition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20171101141307.Horde.Ec2r-eJ64vZW42il9OvEpVk@webmail.uni-wuerzburg.de> With best wishes from W?rzburg! Anna Aurelia Esposito Zitat von Deepak Sarma via INDOLOGY : > All: > I would be grateful if someone were to send me a PDF of > > Colette Caillat's Fasting unto death according to the Jaina tradition > Acta Orientalia, volume 38 > Oriental Societies of Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden; 1977; > Stockholm, Sweden > Pages 43 to 66 > > thanks in advance for your help! > > Deepak > > > Dr. Deepak Sarma > > Professor of Religious Studies > > Professor of Bioethics (secondary appointment) > School of Medicine, Case Western Reserve University > > > Curatorial Consultant, Department of Asian Art > Cleveland Museum of Art > > Mailing Address: > Department of Religious Studies > Tomlinson Hall > 2121 MLK Jr. Drive > Case Western Reserve University > Cleveland, OH 44106-7112 > > office: 216-368-4790 > deepak.sarma at case.edu > > deepaksarma.com > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list > options or unsubscribe) ********** PD Dr. Anna Aurelia Esposito ********** Universitaet Wuerzburg Lehrstuhl fuer Indologie / Suedasienkunde Philosophiegebaude, Zi. 8U6 Am Hubland 97074 Wuerzburg Germany Tel: ++49-(0)931-3185512 ********** Bachgasse 3 97070 Wuerzburg Germany Tel: ++49-(0)931-3042293 ********** http://www.indologie.uni-wuerzburg.de/mitarbeiter/esposito ********** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Caillat1977.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1609058 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmmadaio at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 15:24:28 2017 From: jmmadaio at gmail.com (James Madaio) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 17 16:24:28 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] jIvanmukti In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Patrick, As you know this is a rather broad inquiry considering that *j?vanmukti* is a term used across traditions in different ways. Before it was used in Advaita Ved?nta it was employed in the non-dual ?aiva context and in the *Yoga-V?si??ha*/*Mok?op?ya* (from where it may have made transit into Advaita Ved?ntin *samprad?ya*s as a technical term [but not as a new conceptual notion]). Advaita Ved?nta is not doctrinally uniform across time and space and, to paraphrase Daya Krishna, all that is Advaita Ved?nta is not ?a?kara. It is difficult therefore to speak across the whole tradition but I can say that in the fourteenth century, Vidy?ra?ya, in his *J?vanmuktiviveka*, argues that the *"j?vanmukta*" is precisely the one who has secured, stabilized or safeguarded non-dual knowing (*j??narak??*). So, in this case, there are no obstacles for the one who is called a *j?vanmukta*; however, there may be potential obstacles for knowers of *brahman* (but they are therefore not yet considered *j?vanmukta*s). Antecedents of this position?i.e., that there may be obstacles for knowers?can be found in the commentarial works of ?a?kara, as noted here by Aleksandar. The term *j?vanmukti*, of course, indicates something philosophically different in other *ved?nta* traditions, as well as in *ha?ha* yogic, *ras?yana*, and N?th-Siddha texts, etc. This is, of course, to say nothing of regional or vernacular traditions (some of which are advaitic in orientation) where the term is also employed. I have included here some references that engage with the issue of *j?vanmukti* which may, in some cases, overlap with the notion of the ?perfected body.? (I have not listed individually the interesting articles in the excellent volume edited by Andrew Fort and Patricia Mumme). ** Arapura, J.G. 1987. *Hermeneutical Essays on Ved?ntic Topics*. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass. Bansat-Boudon, Lyne. 2013. ?The contribution of Nondual ?aivism of Kashmir to the Debate on *j?vanmukti*: A Thematic Perspective on the Question of Periodization.? In *Periodization and Historiography of Indian Philosophy*, ed. Eli Franco. Wien: De Nobili Research Library, 307-326. Das Gupta, Shashi Bhushan. 1946. *Obscure Religious Cults*. Calcutta: Firma KLM. Eliade, Mircea. 1958. *Yoga: Immortality and Freedom*. Translated by Willard R. Trask. New York: Pantheon. Fort, Andrew O. 1998. *J?vanmukti in Transformation: Embodied Liberation in Advaita and Neo-Vedanta*. New York: State University of New York. Fort, Andrew O., and Patricia Y. Mumme (eds.). 1996. *Living Liberation in Hindu Thought. *Albany: State University of New York Press. Mallinson, James and Mark Singleton. 2017. *Roots of Yoga*. London: Penguin Books. Ondra?ka, Lubom?r. 2015. "Perfected Body, Divine Body and Other Bodies in the N?tha-Siddha Sanskrit Texts." *Journal of Hindu Studies* 8:2, 210-232 Prajnanananda, Swami. 1992. *Is a J?vanmukta subject to ignorance*. Kolkata: Ramakrishna Vedanta Math. Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi. 2001. *Knowledge and Liberation in Classical Indian Thought*. Basingstoke: Palgrave. Saraogi, Serbaeva Olga. 2010. ?Liberation in life and After Death in Eary ?aiva Mantram?rgic Texts: The Problem of J?vanmukti.? In *Release from Life ? Release from Death: Indian Perspectives on Individual Liberation*, eds., Andreas Bigger, et. al. New York: Perter Lang, 211-234. Slaje, Walter. 2000. ?Liberation From Intentionality and Involvement: On the Concept of J?vanmukti According to the Mok?op?ya.? *Journal of Indian Philosophy *28:2, 171-194. Slaje, Walter. 2000. ?Towards a history of the j?vanmukti concept: the Mok?adharma in the Mah?bh?rata.? In *Hara?nandalahari?: volume in honour of professor Minoru Hara on his seventieth birthday*, eds., Ryutaro Tsuchida and Albrecht Wezler. Reinbek: Verlag fu?r Orientalistische Fachpublikationen. Srivastava, L. K. L. 1990. *Advaitic Concept of J?vanmukti*. Delhi: Bharatiya Vidya Prakashan. Suthren Hirst, Jacqueline. 2016. "When the body does not fall: ?a?kara, Sure?vara and ?nandagiri on living while liberated." *Journal of Hindu Studies* 9:1, 1-28. White, D.G. 1996. *The Alchemical Body: siddha traditions in medieval India*. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press ** Best, James - Dr. James Madaio Fellow, Oriental Institute (Prague), Czech Academy of Sciences Fellow, Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies Associate Editor, Journal of Hindu Studies On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:20 AM, Aleksandar Uskokov via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Patrick, > > Sankara (who does not use the term jivan-mukti except once in the > Bhagavad-gita-bhasya, but "if it walks like a duck ...") under > Brhad-aranyaka 1.4.7 justifies the need for nididhyasana the third Vedantic > process, when the Self had been known (and, eo ipso, liberation attained) > by the application of sravana and manana the first two processes, with the > consideration that the karma that had started bearing fruits trumps > knowledge of the Self. Thus even the knower of the Self needs restrain > (niyama) to guard against the functions of the body, mind, and senses. It > must follow, theoretically, that there is a danger, however slight, that > the state of liberation could be lost, or perhaps that final liberation > could be delayed through relapse in identification. > > It is probably worthwhile to remember that jivan-mukti did not mean the > same thing to everyone (and not to forget its aspect of freedom from the > requirement to perform one's duties). Thus Bhaskara, who argued vehemently > against jivan-mukti as Advaitins understood it under Brahma-Sutra 3.4.26-7, > claiming that liberation in life was not possible, nevertheless affirmed > explicitly a form of jivan-mukti under BS 4.1.14, that is, freedom from the > psychological torments such as passion and aversion (?ar?ra-p?te tu vidu?o > muktir ava?ya?-bh?vin?ti | dvidh?-muktir j?vad-avasth?y?? r?ga-dve?a-mohai? > tad-a?gai? ca mad?dibhir vimukti? | p?tottara-k?lam ?tyantik?ti). Since > final liberation happens only after death, provided one maintained perfect > meditation on Brahman and the performance of one's ritual till death, it > must also follow that this kind of jivan-mukti could theoretically be lost > as well, by slacking in meditation and ritual. > > All best > Aleksandar > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 7:39 PM, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Friends, >> >> Is there any mention that, once the state of *j?vanmukti* is attained, >> can it be undone or reversed? Or, is it a theoretically permanent >> disposition? >> >> Thanks. >> >> All the best, >> >> Patrick McCartney, PhD >> JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University >> Visiting Fellow - Australian National University >> >> Skype - psdmccartney >> Phone + Whatsapp: +61 414 954 748 <+61%20414%20954%20748> >> Twitter - @psdmccartney >> >> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) >> >> >> Yogascapes in Japan >> >> Academia >> >> - >> >> Linkedin >> >> >> Edanz >> >> >> Modern Yoga Research >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Wed Nov 1 22:38:50 2017 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 17 22:38:50 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] pdf search Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047C7A22F@xm-mbx-06-prod> Dear Indologists, For a masters course I am teaching, it would be most helpful to have a pdf of Amalia Pezzali's ??ntideva, mystique bouddhiste (Firenze 1968). Many thanks in advance, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________________ From dshevchenko at unm.edu Thu Nov 2 07:48:05 2017 From: dshevchenko at unm.edu (Dimitry Shevchenko) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 17 07:48:05 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF search Message-ID: Dear Indologists, Does anyone have a pdf of Madeleine Biardeau's article "Vacaspati Misra: a syncretist?" It has been published in Mitravani-Vacaspati Visesanka, pp. 137-142. 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Buddha makes it a point that the mendicant has to show aversion to Perception.....aversion to Composite Unity( i.e. Samskara)....aversion to consciousness( i.e.the Pancha Skandha...namely Rupa,Vedana,Samgya,Samskara Vigyan),and he will be liberated in this world.Thus Nirvana lands a Bhikkhu in such a state of mind where his liberation, in this life, is of 'permanent disposition.' ALAKENDU DAS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericmgurevitch at gmail.com Thu Nov 2 13:04:47 2017 From: ericmgurevitch at gmail.com (Eric Gurevitch) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 17 08:04:47 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] CFP: UChicago's 15th Annual South Asia Graduate Student Conference Message-ID: Below, please find the call for papers for this year?s annual South Asia Graduate Student Conference at the University of Chicago. Please forward it to students who might be interested. All the best, Eric ### South Asia Graduate Student Conference XV The University of Chicago March 1st-2nd 2018 South Asia and the Limits of Humanistic Inquiry Humanistic inquiry has played an important role in shaping South Asia, and South Asia has played an important role in shaping humanistic inquiry. But how far back into the past and how far into the future does this hold true? The fifteenth annual South Asia Graduate Student Conference at the University of Chicago invites papers that address the limits?whether temporal, institutional or conceptual?of humanistic inquiry. The question we pose is a simple one: Why should scholarship on South Asia lead academic discussions that invest new agency in the environment and other non-human entities? Often unacknowledged in discussions of humanistic practices, South Asia has been the site of disciplinary regimes where distinctions of the human and non-human were instituted for the first time or at an unprecedented scale. The conference hopes to foreground South Asia as the site of a double exclusion: certain practices of knowledge were excluded from scholarly inquiry at the same time as animals, mountains, rivers and other non-human agents were written out of humanistic concerns. By bringing this double exclusion into view, we can see how the limiting of inquiry and the limitations of inquiry are distinct, yet related phenomena. Practices such as philological close-reading, the collection of big data, and ethnographic fieldwork have determined the scales and working objects of scholarship in subtle, yet powerful ways, and we solicit papers that explore the limits of such practices. How might we learn from different epistemologies of precolonial South Asia and how they divide the phenomena of the world? What can we gain by returning to moments when current divisions were not presumed to be inevitable or obvious? How have institutional changes in South Asia?whether enacted by political interests or techno-developmentalist visions?enforced disciplinary divisions and values? These questions are urgent as South Asia today also serves as a reminder that we can no longer afford to leave the agency of nonhumans out from our analyses. Catastrophes that have been put off by massive investments in engineering projects in the Global North have a much more immediate presence in South Asia. We invite contributions that are at the intersection of but not limited to literature, media studies, ecocriticism, history, religious studies, science studies, philosophy, anthropology, sound and visual studies. Please send 200 word abstracts to http://tiny.cc/SAGSC by December 31st, 2017. The conference will assist with travel and lodging for all graduate student participants. If you have any questions please write to us at sagsc2018 at gmail.com Organizing Committee: Anna Lee White, Divinity School Eric Gurevitch, South Asian Languages and Civilizations Joya John, South Asian Languages and Civilizations Faculty Advisor: Constantine V. Nakassis, Assistant Professor, Department of Anthropology ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Thu Nov 2 16:30:57 2017 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 17 17:30:57 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <795B9D7F-D6C0-4CA1-8765-7A0931C8DD7E@uclouvain.be> Did you get this rare article, a copy of which I would be also interested in. BW C Le 2 nov. 2017 ? 08:48, Dimitry Shevchenko via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > Dear Indologists, > > Does anyone have a pdf of Madeleine Biardeau's article "Vacaspati Misra: a syncretist?" It has been published inMitravani-Vacaspati Visesanka, pp. 137-142. Date of publication unknown... > > Your help will be much appreciated! > Dimitry Shevchenko > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Nov 2 17:43:49 2017 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 17 10:43:49 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF search In-Reply-To: <795B9D7F-D6C0-4CA1-8765-7A0931C8DD7E@uclouvain.be> Message-ID: Hello Dimitry, I would also be interested in this article. If you do get it from some source, please forward it to me. Madhav Deshpande On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Did you get this rare article, a copy of which I would be also interested > in. > BW > C > > Le 2 nov. 2017 ? 08:48, Dimitry Shevchenko via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > > Dear Indologists, > > Does anyone have a pdf of Madeleine Biardeau's article "Vacaspati Misra: > a syncretist?" It has been published inMitravani-Vacaspati Visesanka, pp. > 137-142. 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Who is excluded and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different cultures? Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! Best, Emma -- Mark McLaughlin *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, VA* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please see her message > below for a more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > Professor McLaughlin, > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a > better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm > thinking: > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary > tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of > written texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of > textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded > and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the > other? For scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy > should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" can mean > different things in different cultures? > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > Best, > > Emma > > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > /Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions/ > /Department of Religious Studies > College of William and Mary > Williamsburg, VA/ > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please see her message > below for a more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > Professor McLaughlin, > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a > better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm > thinking: > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary > tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of > written texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of > textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded > and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the > other? For scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy > should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" can mean > different things in different cultures? > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > Best, > > Emma > > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > /Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions/ > /Department of Religious Studies > College of William and Mary > Williamsburg, VA/ > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: AttachedMessagePart.bat URL: From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz Thu Nov 2 22:45:02 2017 From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (=?utf-8?Q?Lubom=C3=ADr_Ondra=C4=8Dka?=) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 17 23:45:02 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20171102234502.c7f728ace4f151f8825d83a6@ff.cuni.cz> Dear Mark, as far as I know, there is no comprehensive work dealing with orality/literacy question in India comparable to the volume we have on Iran (Orality and Textuality in the Iranian World, ed. by Julia Rubanovich, Brill 2015). I would recommend to your student to go through this excellent work (at least for methodological reasons). I think the best starting point for India might be Annette Wilke and Oliver Moebus, Sound and Communication (De Gruyter 2011). It's very vast (probably unnecessarily too vast) and sometimes rather technical book, but there are chapters dealing with some of the questions which your student is asking and the book has very extensive bibliography. There are, of course, many special studies on different aspects of orality/literacy problem in India (mostly on Vedic culture, but not only, see e.g. Danuta Stasik, The Oral vs. the Written: A Few Notes on the Composition of Tuls?d?s?s R?mcaritm?nas, Rocznik Orientalistyczny 69 (2016): 20?30; or C. J. Fuller, Orality, Literacy and Memorization: Priestly Education in Contemporary South India, Modern Asian Studies 35.1 (2001): 1?31). More general is Ludo Rocher, Orality and Textuality in the Indian Context, Sino-Platonic Papers 49 (1994). Best, Lubomir On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:21:03 -0400 Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY wrote: > Dear Indology mind-hive, > > > > I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on > questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your > opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a > more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > > > > > Professor McLaughlin, > > > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a better > feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm thinking: > > > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary > tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written > texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources > by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by > the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what > kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged > given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different > cultures? > > > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > > > Best, > > Emma > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* > > > *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, VA* From emstern1948 at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 01:19:10 2017 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 17 21:19:10 -0400 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7E6B2F9A-44D3-48EF-BB26-C54C4B8A7E2F@gmail.com> I too would like a copy. Mitravani was published in Darbhanga. Rudradhar Jha edited this issue. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 2, 2017, at 3:48 AM, Dimitry Shevchenko via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Indologists, > > > Does anyone have a pdf of Madeleine Biardeau's article "Vacaspati Misra: a syncretist?" It has been published in Mitravani-Vacaspati Visesanka, pp. 137-142. Date of publication unknown... > > > > Your help will be much appreciated! > > Dimitry Shevchenko > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vjroebuck at btinternet.com Fri Nov 3 07:00:48 2017 From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie Roebuck) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 17 07:00:48 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Two printed miniatures of Bhagavad Gita In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <147AD1FD-35F8-4E5B-948E-71D044C9B491@btinternet.com> The one in the Imperial War Museum must date from World War I (1914-18), and was (according to their notes) made to be sent to Hindu prisoners of War. On the same page there are links to a miniature Koran for Muslim POWs. There were a great many South Asian troops fighting for the allies in WW1, and serious efforts were made to accommodate their religious and cultural needs. See the works of David Omissi of the University of Hull, e.g. Indian Voices of the Great War. Best wishes Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK > On 2 Nov 2017, at 22:24, Jon Skarpeid via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Indologists! > > I bought this miniature (37 mm x 12 mm x 25 mm) online, published by Khemraj Shrikrishnadass of Mumbay. On the last page I read SaMvat 1990 and Sak 1855, which means roughly 1933 according to the Gregorian Calendar. The language style of the publisher?s page is old, so this must be a reprint of some kind. Does anybody know if it came as miniature back in 1933? (I tried to contact the publisher, but no response so far, and the website has been down for a long, long time). > > One more question, this miniature belongs to the collection of Imperial Was Museums (UK). Does anybody know when it was released and by whom? I doubt it is published by David Bryce, but am I wrong? > > Kind regards, > Jon Skarpeid > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've discussed this, with some reference to theories about oral and written literature, in `Svadhyaya: An Ancient Way of Using the Veda?, Religions of South Asia, 8.1 (2014), pp. 109130. Best wishes to you, and to Emma and her project. Dermot Killingley On 2 Nov 2017 at 17:21, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear Indology mind-hive, I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a more detailed delineation of her questioning. Many thanks in advance! Mark Professor McLaughlin, I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm thinking: What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different cultures? Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! Best, Emma -- Mark McLaughlin Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions Department of Religious Studies College of William and Mary Williamsburg, VA -- Dermot Killingley 9, Rectory Drive, Gosforth, Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 1XT Phone (0191) 285 8053 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please see her message below for a > more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > > > > > Professor McLaughlin, > > > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a > better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm > thinking: > > > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary > tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written > texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources > by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by > the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what > kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged > given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different > cultures? > > > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > > > Best, > > Emma > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* > > > *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, > VA* > -- Mark McLaughlin *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, VA* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karp at uw.edu.pl Sat Nov 4 09:56:39 2017 From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 17 10:56:39 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Witajcie, One of the earliest (if not the earliest!) collections of Indian oral traditions: Richard Carnac Temple, The Legends of the Panj?b, Vol. I-III, Education Society's Press, Byculla, Bombay 1884-. Reprint: The Legends of the Punjab, Deptt of Languages, Punjab, Patiala, 1962-63 Digitalized copies of Vols. II & III available for free download: Vol. II - https://archive.org/details/legendspanjb00tempgoog Vol. III - https://archive.org/details/cu31924070625854 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carnac_Temple Artur Karp (em.) Katedra Azji Po?udniowej Uniwersytet Warszawski Polska 2017-11-03 23:39 GMT+01:00 Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info>: > Many, many heart felt thanks to Rosane Rocher, Lubomir Ondra?ka, and > Dermot Killingley for your generous responses. You've provided superb > source material for Emma and I know that many of us on this thread will > also be reading them. > > With much appreciation, > Mark > > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin > wrote: > >> Dear Indology mind-hive, >> >> >> >> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on >> questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your >> opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a >> more detailed delineation of her questioning. >> >> >> >> Many thanks in advance! >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> Professor McLaughlin, >> >> >> >> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a >> better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm >> thinking: >> >> >> >> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary >> tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written >> texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources >> by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by >> the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what >> kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged >> given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different >> cultures? >> >> >> >> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Emma >> >> -- >> Mark McLaughlin >> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >> >> >> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, >> VA* >> > > > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* > > > *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, > VA* > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[The first page > attached]. > > My Polish (so far unpublished) translation available at academia.edu: > > https://www.academia.edu/23171001/C?rka_Tysi?ca_W???w_ > ?ahr_Safidon_k?_kah?n?_ > > Artur Karp > > 2017-11-04 10:56 GMT+01:00 Artur Karp : > >> Witajcie, >> >> One of the earliest (if not the earliest!) collections of Indian oral >> traditions: >> >> Richard Carnac Temple, The Legends of the Panj?b, Vol. I-III, Education >> Society's Press, Byculla, Bombay 1884-. >> >> Reprint: The Legends of the Punjab, Deptt of Languages, Punjab, Patiala, >> 1962-63 >> >> Digitalized copies of Vols. II & III available for free download: >> >> Vol. II - https://archive.org/details/legendspanjb00tempgoog >> >> Vol. III - https://archive.org/details/cu31924070625854 >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carnac_Temple >> >> >> Artur Karp (em.) >> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej >> Uniwersytet Warszawski >> Polska >> >> >> >> 2017-11-03 23:39 GMT+01:00 Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info>: >> >>> Many, many heart felt thanks to Rosane Rocher, Lubomir Ondra?ka, and >>> Dermot Killingley for your generous responses. You've provided superb >>> source material for Emma and I know that many of us on this thread will >>> also be reading them. >>> >>> With much appreciation, >>> Mark >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Indology mind-hive, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on >>>> questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your >>>> opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a >>>> more detailed delineation of her questioning. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Professor McLaughlin, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a >>>> better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm >>>> thinking: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary >>>> tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written >>>> texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources >>>> by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by >>>> the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what >>>> kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged >>>> given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different >>>> cultures? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Emma >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark McLaughlin >>>> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and >>>> MaryWilliamsburg, VA* >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark McLaughlin >>> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >>> >>> >>> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, >>> VA* >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> > -- Mark McLaughlin *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, VA* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk Sat Nov 4 23:00:58 2017 From: toke.knudsen at hum.ku.dk (Toke Lindegaard Knudsen) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 17 23:00:58 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mirrors in India Message-ID: <64814799-7323-4F52-B8BD-A37637236692@hum.ku.dk> Dear all, Would anyone know of any studies of mirrors in ancient and medieval India? I?m interested in materials used for and shapes of mirrors, as well as the cultural significance of and imagery involving mirrors. Many thanks in advance. Best wishes, Toke ----- Toke Lindegaard Knudsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Marie Sk?odowska-Curie Fellow Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies University of Copenhagen From mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 07:07:35 2017 From: mrinalkaul81 at gmail.com (Mrinal Kaul) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 17 12:37:35 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mirrors in India In-Reply-To: <64814799-7323-4F52-B8BD-A37637236692@hum.ku.dk> Message-ID: Dear Prof Knudsen, You might be interested in having a look at the following: For mirrors as material objects in South Asia: Srinivasan, Sharda. (2008) ?Mirrors: Metal Mirrors from India?, in *Encyclopedia of the History of Science and Medicine in Non-Western Cultures*, eds. Helaine Selin, pp. 1699-1704, Springer Netherlands. Vassilkov, Yaroslav. V. (2010) ?Pre-Maurya ?Rattle-Mirror? with Artistic Designs from Scythian Burial Mounds of the Altai Region in the Light of Sanskrit Sources?, *Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies*, Vol. 17, No. 3. Pendergrast, Mark. (2004) *Mirror, A History of the Human Love Affair with Reflection*, Basic Books, New York. (only a few portions may be relevant) Cultural significance of and imagery involving mirrors: (South Asia): Bentor, Yael. (1995) ?On the Symbolism of the Mirror in Indo-Tibetan Consecration Rituals?, *Journal of Indian Philosophy*, pp. 23, 57-71. Bansat-Boudon, Lyne. (1992) ?Le coeur-miroir: Remarques sur la th?orie indienne de l'exp?rience esth?tique et ses rapports avec le th??tre?, In *Les Cahiers de Philosophie*, No. 14, 1992, ?L?Orient de la pens?e, pp. 135-154. Granoff, Phyllis & Shinohara, Koichi. (eds.) (2004) *Images in Asian Religions: Texts and Contexts*, University of British Columbia Press, Vancouver. Granoff, Phyllis. (1998) ?Maitreya?s Jewelled World: Some Remarks on Gems and Visions in Buddhist Texts?, *Journal of Indian Philosophy* 26: pp. 347?371. Granoff, Phyllis. (2001) ?Portraits, Likenesses and Looking Glasses: Some Literary and Philosophical Reflections on Representation and Art in Medieval India? In Ja Assmann and Albert L. Baumgarten, eds., *Representation in Religion: Studies in Honor of Moshe Barasch* (Leiden: Brill, 2001). Granoff, Phyllis. (2004) ?Images and Their Ritual Use in Medieval India: Hesitations and Contradictions?, In Granoff, Phyllis & Shinohara, Koichi. (eds.) *Images in Asian Religions: Texts and Contexts*, University of British Columbia Press, Vancouver. pp. 19-50. Orofino, Giacomella (1994) ?Divination with Mirrors. Observations on a Smilie in the K?lacakra Literature?. Oslo. In the *Tibetan Studies, Proceedings of the 6th Seminar of the International for Tibetan Studies*, Figurines, 1992. Preisendanz, K. (1989). ?On a?tmendriyamanorthasannikars?a and the Nya?ya-Vais?es?ika Theory of Vision?, *Berliner Indologische Studien* 4-5, p. 141-213. Wawrytko, Sandrea. A. (2007) ?Holding Up the Mirrors to Buddha-nature: Discerning the Ghee in the Lotus S?tra?, *Dao: A Journal of Comparative Philosophy* (Fall, 2007) Wayman, Alex. (1971) ?A Jotting on the Mirror: Those of Ladies?, *Mahfil*, Vol. 7, No. 3/4, Sanskrit issue (Fall-Winter 1971), pp. 209-213. Wayman, Alex. (1984) ?The Mirror as a Pan-Buddhist Metaphor-Simile. Buddhist Insight?*:* *Essays by Alex Wayman (Buddhist Tradition Series Vol.7).* George R. Elder (ed., intro.). Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Private Limited: Delhi, 129-152. Other general recommended readings: Anderson, Miranda., Ed. (2007) *The Book of the Mirror: An Interdisciplinary Collection exploring the Cultural Story of the Mirror*, Cambridge Scholars Publishing. Bensen Cain, Rebecca. (2012) ?Plato on Mimesis and Mirrors?, *Philosophy and Literature*, 36: pp. 187?195. Cline, Erin M. (2008) ?Mirrors, Minds, and Metaphors?, *Philosophy East and West*, Vol. 58, No. 3, July 2008, pp. 337-357. Demi?ville, Paul. (1991) ?The Mirror of the Mind in Sudden and Gradual: Approaches to Enlightenment in Chinese Thought? (*Buddhist Tradition Series Vol.16*). Peter N. Gregory (ed.). pp. 13-40, MLBD: Delhi. Enoch, Jay. M. (2006) ?History of Mirrors Dating Back 8000 Years?, In *Optometry and Vision Science*, American Academy of Optometry, Vol. 83, No. 10, pp. 775-781. Keeler, Annabel. (2006) ???f? tafs?r as a Mirror: al-Qushayr? the murshid in his La???if al-ish?r?t? in *Journal of Qur?anic Studies*. Vol. 8, No. 1 (2006), pp. 1-21. Lai, Whalen. (1979) ?Ch'an metaphors: Waves, water, mirror, lamp?, *Philosophy East and West*, 29:3 (1979, July) pp. 243 Loewe, Michael. (2002) ?Dated Inscriptions on Certain Mirrors (A.D. 6-105): Genuine or Fabricated?? in *Early China*, Vol. 26/27 (2001-2002), pp. 233-256. Lusthaus, Dan. (1985) ?Ch'an and Taoist Mirrors: Reflections on Richard Garner's "Deconstruction of the Mirror..."?, In *Journal of Chinese Philosophy,* V. 12, pp. 169-178. Papaioannou, Strastis. (2010) ?Byzantine Mirrors: Self-Reflection in Medieval Greek Writing?, *Dumbarton Oaks Papers*, Vol. 64. pp. 81-101. Terras, Rita. (1975) ?Goethe?s Use of the Mirror Image?, *Monatshefte*, Vol. 67, No. 4 (Winter, 1975), pp. 387-402. I hope this helps. Thanks. Mrinal Kaul ------ Mrinal Kaul, Ph.D. Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS) Manipal Centre for Philosophy and Humanities (MCPH) Manipal University Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex Alevoor Road, Manipal 576 104 Karnataka, INDIA Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567 https://manipal.academia.edu/MrinalKaul email: mrinal.kaul at manipal.edu On 5 November 2017 at 04:30, Toke Lindegaard Knudsen via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear all, > > Would anyone know of any studies of mirrors in ancient and medieval India? > I?m interested in materials used for and shapes of mirrors, as well as the > cultural significance of and imagery involving mirrors. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Best wishes, > Toke > > ----- > Toke Lindegaard Knudsen, Ph.D. > > Associate Professor and Marie Sk?odowska-Curie Fellow > Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies > University of Copenhagen > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From corinnawessels at yahoo.de Sun Nov 5 11:40:38 2017 From: corinnawessels at yahoo.de (Corinna Wessels-Mevissen) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 17 11:40:38 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mirrors in India In-Reply-To: <1380444111.4259324.1509882038422.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1380444111.4259324.1509882038422@mail.yahoo.com> Dear List, There is one more recent publication on mirrors ('mirrors as material objects'): Chatterjee, Shoumita & Naher, Sabikun & Chattopadhyay, Pranab K. (2015) 'Mirrors of Ancient India: From Harappa to Mahasthangarh', Pur?tattva, No. 45, pp. 165?177; pls. 18?19. I have already mailed a PDF to our colleague Toke Knudsen. Corinna Wessels-Mevissen Dr. Corinna Wessels-Mevissenc/o Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst, BerlinTakustr. 4014195 Berlin, Germany Von: Mrinal Kaul via INDOLOGY An: Toke Lindegaard Knudsen CC: "indology at list.indology.info" Gesendet: 8:08 Sonntag, 5.November 2017 Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mirrors in India Dear Prof Knudsen, You might be interested in having a look at the following: For mirrors as material objects in South Asia: Srinivasan, Sharda. (2008) ?Mirrors: Metal Mirrors from India?, in Encyclopedia of the History of?Science and Medicine in Non-Western Cultures, eds. Helaine Selin, pp. 1699-1704,?Springer Netherlands. Vassilkov, Yaroslav. V. (2010) ?Pre-Maurya ?Rattle-Mirror? with Artistic Designs from?Scythian Burial Mounds of the Altai Region in the Light of Sanskrit Sources?,?Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies, Vol. 17, No. 3. Pendergrast, Mark. (2004) Mirror, A History of the Human Love Affair with Reflection, Basic?Books, New York. (only a few portions may be relevant) Cultural significance of and imagery involving mirrors: (South Asia): Bentor, Yael. (1995) ?On the Symbolism of the Mirror in Indo-Tibetan Consecration Rituals?,?Journal of Indian Philosophy, pp. 23, 57-71. Bansat-Boudon, Lyne. (1992) ?Le coeur-miroir: Remarques sur la th?orie indienne de?l'exp?rience esth?tique et ses rapports avec le th??tre?, In Les Cahiers de Philosophie, No. 14, 1992, ?L?Orient de la pens?e, pp. 135-154. Granoff, Phyllis & Shinohara, Koichi. (eds.) (2004) Images in Asian Religions: Texts and?Contexts, University of British Columbia Press, Vancouver. Granoff, Phyllis. (1998) ?Maitreya?s Jewelled World: Some Remarks on Gems and Visions in?Buddhist Texts?, Journal of Indian Philosophy 26: pp. 347?371. Granoff, Phyllis. (2001) ?Portraits, Likenesses and Looking Glasses: Some Literary and?Philosophical Reflections on Representation and Art in Medieval India? In Ja?Assmann and Albert L. Baumgarten, eds., Representation in Religion: Studies in Honor?of Moshe Barasch (Leiden: Brill, 2001).? Granoff, Phyllis. (2004) ?Images and Their Ritual Use in Medieval India: Hesitations and?Contradictions?, In Granoff, Phyllis & Shinohara, Koichi. (eds.) Images in Asian?Religions: Texts and Contexts, University of British Columbia Press, Vancouver. pp.?19-50. Orofino, Giacomella (1994) ?Divination with Mirrors. Observations on a Smilie in the?K?lacakra Literature?. Oslo. In the Tibetan Studies, Proceedings of the 6th Seminar of the?International for Tibetan Studies, Figurines, 1992. Preisendanz, K. (1989).? ?On a?tmendriyamanorthasannikars?a and the Nya?ya-Vais?es?ika?Theory of Vision?, Berliner Indologische Studien 4-5, p. 141-213. Wawrytko, Sandrea. A. (2007) ?Holding Up the Mirrors to Buddha-nature: Discerning the?Ghee in the Lotus S?tra?, Dao: A Journal of Comparative Philosophy (Fall, 2007) Wayman, Alex. (1971) ?A Jotting on the Mirror: Those of Ladies?, Mahfil, Vol. 7, No. 3/4,?Sanskrit issue (Fall-Winter 1971), pp. 209-213. Wayman, Alex. (1984) ?The Mirror as a Pan-Buddhist Metaphor-Simile. Buddhist Insight?:??Essays by Alex Wayman (Buddhist Tradition Series Vol.7). George R. Elder (ed., intro.).?Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Private Limited: Delhi, 129-152. Other general recommended readings: Anderson, Miranda., Ed. (2007) The Book of the Mirror: An Interdisciplinary Collection?exploring the Cultural Story of the Mirror, Cambridge Scholars Publishing. Bensen Cain, Rebecca. (2012) ?Plato on Mimesis and Mirrors?, Philosophy and Literature, 36: pp. 187?195. Cline, Erin M. (2008) ?Mirrors, Minds, and Metaphors?, Philosophy East and West, Vol. 58, No.?3, July 2008, pp. 337-357. Demi?ville, Paul. (1991) ?The Mirror of the Mind in Sudden and Gradual: Approaches to?Enlightenment in Chinese Thought? (Buddhist Tradition Series Vol.16). Peter N.?Gregory (ed.). pp. 13-40, MLBD: Delhi. Enoch, Jay. M. (2006) ?History of Mirrors Dating Back 8000 Years?, In Optometry and Vision Science, American Academy of Optometry, Vol. 83, No. 10, pp. 775-781. Keeler, Annabel. (2006) ???f? tafs?r as a Mirror: al-Qushayr? the murshid in his La???if al-ish?r?t? in Journal of Qur?anic Studies. Vol. 8, No. 1 (2006), pp. 1-21. Lai, Whalen. (1979) ?Ch'an metaphors: Waves, water, mirror, lamp?, Philosophy East and West,?29:3 (1979, July) pp. 243 Loewe, Michael. (2002) ?Dated Inscriptions on Certain Mirrors (A.D. 6-105): Genuine or?Fabricated?? in Early China, Vol. 26/27 (2001-2002), pp. 233-256. Lusthaus, Dan. (1985) ?Ch'an and Taoist Mirrors: Reflections on Richard Garner's "Deconstruction of the Mirror..."?, In Journal of Chinese Philosophy, V. 12, pp. 169-178. Papaioannou, Strastis. (2010) ?Byzantine Mirrors: Self-Reflection in Medieval Greek Writing?,?Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 64. pp. 81-101. Terras, Rita. (1975) ?Goethe?s Use of the Mirror Image?, Monatshefte, Vol. 67, No. 4 (Winter, 1975), pp. 387-402. I hope this helps. Thanks. Mrinal Kaul ------ Mrinal Kaul, Ph.D.Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS) Manipal Centre for Philosophy and Humanities (MCPH)Manipal University Dr TMA Pai Planetarium ComplexAlevoor?Road,?Manipal 576 104Karnataka, INDIATel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567https://manipal.academia.edu/MrinalKaulemail:?mrinal.kaul at manipal.edu On 5 November 2017 at 04:30, Toke Lindegaard Knudsen via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear all, Would anyone know of any studies of mirrors in ancient and medieval India? I?m interested in materials used for and shapes of mirrors, as well as the cultural significance of and imagery involving mirrors. Many thanks in advance. 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Corinna Wessels-Mevissen Dr. Corinna Wessels-Mevissen c/o Museum f?r Asiatische Kunst, Berlin Takustr. 40 14195 Berlin, Germany ________________________________ Von: Mrinal Kaul via INDOLOGY An: Toke Lindegaard Knudsen CC: "indology at list.indology.info" Gesendet: 8:08 Sonntag, 5.November 2017 Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Mirrors in India Dear Prof Knudsen, You might be interested in having a look at the following: For mirrors as material objects in South Asia: Srinivasan, Sharda. (2008) ?Mirrors: Metal Mirrors from India?, in Encyclopedia of the History of Science and Medicine in Non-Western Cultures, eds. Helaine Selin, pp. 1699-1704, Springer Netherlands. Vassilkov, Yaroslav. V. (2010) ?Pre-Maurya ?Rattle-Mirror? with Artistic Designs from Scythian Burial Mounds of the Altai Region in the Light of Sanskrit Sources?, Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies, Vol. 17, No. 3. Pendergrast, Mark. (2004) Mirror, A History of the Human Love Affair with Reflection, Basic Books, New York. (only a few portions may be relevant) Cultural significance of and imagery involving mirrors: (South Asia): Bentor, Yael. (1995) ?On the Symbolism of the Mirror in Indo-Tibetan Consecration Rituals?, Journal of Indian Philosophy, pp. 23, 57-71. Bansat-Boudon, Lyne. (1992) ?Le coeur-miroir: Remarques sur la th?orie indienne de l'exp?rience esth?tique et ses rapports avec le th??tre?, In Les Cahiers de Philosophie, No. 14, 1992, ?L?Orient de la pens?e, pp. 135-154. Granoff, Phyllis & Shinohara, Koichi. (eds.) (2004) Images in Asian Religions: Texts and Contexts, University of British Columbia Press, Vancouver. Granoff, Phyllis. (1998) ?Maitreya?s Jewelled World: Some Remarks on Gems and Visions in Buddhist Texts?, Journal of Indian Philosophy 26: pp. 347?371. Granoff, Phyllis. (2001) ?Portraits, Likenesses and Looking Glasses: Some Literary and Philosophical Reflections on Representation and Art in Medieval India? In Ja Assmann and Albert L. Baumgarten, eds., Representation in Religion: Studies in Honor of Moshe Barasch (Leiden: Brill, 2001). Granoff, Phyllis. (2004) ?Images and Their Ritual Use in Medieval India: Hesitations and Contradictions?, In Granoff, Phyllis & Shinohara, Koichi. (eds.) Images in Asian Religions: Texts and Contexts, University of British Columbia Press, Vancouver. pp. 19-50. Orofino, Giacomella (1994) ?Divination with Mirrors. Observations on a Smilie in the K?lacakra Literature?. Oslo. In the Tibetan Studies, Proceedings of the 6th Seminar of the International for Tibetan Studies, Figurines, 1992. Preisendanz, K. (1989). ?On a?tmendriyamanorthasannikars?a and the Nya?ya-Vais?es?ika Theory of Vision?, Berliner Indologische Studien 4-5, p. 141-213. Wawrytko, Sandrea. A. (2007) ?Holding Up the Mirrors to Buddha-nature: Discerning the Ghee in the Lotus S?tra?, Dao: A Journal of Comparative Philosophy (Fall, 2007) Wayman, Alex. (1971) ?A Jotting on the Mirror: Those of Ladies?, Mahfil, Vol. 7, No. 3/4, Sanskrit issue (Fall-Winter 1971), pp. 209-213. Wayman, Alex. (1984) ?The Mirror as a Pan-Buddhist Metaphor-Simile. Buddhist Insight?: Essays by Alex Wayman (Buddhist Tradition Series Vol.7). George R. Elder (ed., intro.). Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Private Limited: Delhi, 129-152. Other general recommended readings: Anderson, Miranda., Ed. (2007) The Book of the Mirror: An Interdisciplinary Collection exploring the Cultural Story of the Mirror, Cambridge Scholars Publishing. Bensen Cain, Rebecca. (2012) ?Plato on Mimesis and Mirrors?, Philosophy and Literature, 36: pp. 187?195. Cline, Erin M. (2008) ?Mirrors, Minds, and Metaphors?, Philosophy East and West, Vol. 58, No. 3, July 2008, pp. 337-357. Demi?ville, Paul. (1991) ?The Mirror of the Mind in Sudden and Gradual: Approaches to Enlightenment in Chinese Thought? (Buddhist Tradition Series Vol.16). Peter N. Gregory (ed.). pp. 13-40, MLBD: Delhi. Enoch, Jay. M. (2006) ?History of Mirrors Dating Back 8000 Years?, In Optometry and Vision Science, American Academy of Optometry, Vol. 83, No. 10, pp. 775-781. Keeler, Annabel. (2006) ???f? tafs?r as a Mirror: al-Qushayr? the murshid in his La???if al-ish?r?t? in Journal of Qur?anic Studies. Vol. 8, No. 1 (2006), pp. 1-21. Lai, Whalen. (1979) ?Ch'an metaphors: Waves, water, mirror, lamp?, Philosophy East and West, 29:3 (1979, July) pp. 243 Loewe, Michael. (2002) ?Dated Inscriptions on Certain Mirrors (A.D. 6-105): Genuine or Fabricated?? in Early China, Vol. 26/27 (2001-2002), pp. 233-256. Lusthaus, Dan. (1985) ?Ch'an and Taoist Mirrors: Reflections on Richard Garner's "Deconstruction of the Mirror..."?, In Journal of Chinese Philosophy, V. 12, pp. 169-178. Papaioannou, Strastis. (2010) ?Byzantine Mirrors: Self-Reflection in Medieval Greek Writing?, Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 64. pp. 81-101. Terras, Rita. (1975) ?Goethe?s Use of the Mirror Image?, Monatshefte, Vol. 67, No. 4 (Winter, 1975), pp. 387-402. I hope this helps. Thanks. Mrinal Kaul ------ Mrinal Kaul, Ph.D. Coordinator - Centre for Religious Studies (CRS) Manipal Centre for Philosophy and Humanities (MCPH) Manipal University Dr TMA Pai Planetarium Complex Alevoor Road, Manipal 576 104 Karnataka, INDIA Tel +91-820-29-23567 Extn: 23567 https://manipal.academia.edu/MrinalKaul email: mrinal.kaul at manipal.edu On 5 November 2017 at 04:30, Toke Lindegaard Knudsen via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear all, Would anyone know of any studies of mirrors in ancient and medieval India? I?m interested in materials used for and shapes of mirrors, as well as the cultural significance of and imagery involving mirrors. Many thanks in advance. 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Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 12:44:01 2017 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 17 18:14:01 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: https://www.academia.edu/3543506/Oral_Epics_in_India._STUART_H._BLACKBURN_PETER_J._CLAUS_JOYCE_B._FLUECKIGER_and_SUSAN_S._WADLEY_eds https://www.academia.edu/3543505/Gender_and_Genre_in_the_Folklore_of_Middle_India Blackburn, Stuart H. Singing of Birth and Death, Texts in Performance. Review here: https://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/nfile/1590 and many many more, a huge number of them like the above by folklore researchers on India. -------------------------------------------------------- "m?rga and d??i" are the two emic categories that can be helpful in looking up for studies on the issues your student is interested in. -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Thank you, Artur! > > On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 6:53 AM, Artur Karp wrote: > >> In Vol. I of The Legends (pp.418-528) - "Princess Niwal Da?" - as sung >> by two scavengers from Bibiy?l village near Amb?l?. [The first page >> attached]. >> >> My Polish (so far unpublished) translation available at academia.edu: >> >> https://www.academia.edu/23171001/C?rka_Tysi?ca_W???w_?ahr_ >> Safidon_k?_kah?n?_ >> >> Artur Karp >> >> 2017-11-04 10:56 GMT+01:00 Artur Karp : >> >>> Witajcie, >>> >>> One of the earliest (if not the earliest!) collections of Indian oral >>> traditions: >>> >>> Richard Carnac Temple, The Legends of the Panj?b, Vol. I-III, Education >>> Society's Press, Byculla, Bombay 1884-. >>> >>> Reprint: The Legends of the Punjab, Deptt of Languages, Punjab, Patiala, >>> 1962-63 >>> >>> Digitalized copies of Vols. II & III available for free download: >>> >>> Vol. II - https://archive.org/details/legendspanjb00tempgoog >>> >>> Vol. III - https://archive.org/details/cu31924070625854 >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carnac_Temple >>> >>> >>> Artur Karp (em.) >>> Katedra Azji Po?udniowej >>> Uniwersytet Warszawski >>> Polska >>> >>> >>> >>> 2017-11-03 23:39 GMT+01:00 Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info>: >>> >>>> Many, many heart felt thanks to Rosane Rocher, Lubomir Ondra?ka, and >>>> Dermot Killingley for your generous responses. You've provided superb >>>> source material for Emma and I know that many of us on this thread will >>>> also be reading them. >>>> >>>> With much appreciation, >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Indology mind-hive, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper >>>>> on questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your >>>>> opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a >>>>> more detailed delineation of her questioning. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks in advance! >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Professor McLaughlin, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a >>>>> better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm >>>>> thinking: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary >>>>> tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written >>>>> texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources >>>>> by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by >>>>> the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what >>>>> kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged >>>>> given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different >>>>> cultures? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other >>>>> day! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Emma >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark McLaughlin >>>>> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and >>>>> MaryWilliamsburg, VA* >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark McLaughlin >>>> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and >>>> MaryWilliamsburg, VA* >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* > > > *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, > VA* > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From witzel at fas.harvard.edu Sun Nov 5 15:35:27 2017 From: witzel at fas.harvard.edu (Witzel, Michael) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 17 15:35:27 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: <59FC3E04.11137.BBCD9E@dermot.grevatt.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D1D7565-F23C-4863-921A-C2C2E460C619@fas.harvard.edu> I wonder why the seminal work by Harry Falk (and O. v. Hin?ber) has not come up yet. But of course that is in a foreign language... SEE: FALK, Harry. "Goodies for India: Literacy, Orality, and Vedic Culture." In Wolfgang Raible, ed. Erscheinungsformen kultureller Prozesse: Jahrbuch 1988 des Sonderforschungsbereichs "?berg?nge und Spannungsfelder zwischen M?ndlichkeit und Schriftlichkeit. T?bingen: Narr 1990: 103-120 ?, Schrift im alten Indien : ein Forschungsbericht mit Anmerkungen. T?bingen: G. Narr, 1993 von HIN?BER, Oskar. Der Beginn der Schrift und fr?he Schriftlichkeit in Indien. Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Abhandlungen der geistes- und sozialwissenschaftlichen Klasse, 11, Mainz, 1989 Cheers, Michael On Nov 3, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Dermot Killingley via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Mark, I think your student would benefit from some clarification or problematization of the pair oral-literary -- especially if she understands the phrase "textual sources" as referring to the same things as "written texts". Her last question shows she is aware of the possibility of nuances and cultural differences. In the South Asian context, orally transmitted texts can have greater prestige, and be more stable, than written texts. This is true of Vedic texts, and perhaps also the Pali canon. The technique of memorization applied to such texts is very time-consuming and laborious, so it depended on a body of people whose status depended on applying it. I've discussed this, with some reference to theories about oral and written literature, in ?Svadhyaya: An Ancient Way of Using the Veda?, Religions of South Asia, 8.1 (2014), pp. 109?130. Best wishes to you, and to Emma and her project. Dermot Killingley On 2 Nov 2017 at 17:21, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear Indology mind-hive, I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a more detailed delineation of her questioning. Many thanks in advance! Mark Professor McLaughlin, I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm thinking: What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different cultures? Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! Best, Emma -- Mark McLaughlin Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions Department of Religious Studies College of William and Mary Williamsburg, VA -- Dermot Killingley 9, Rectory Drive, Gosforth, Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 1XT Phone (0191) 285 8053 _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cristina.pecchia at oeaw.ac.at Sun Nov 5 17:55:39 2017 From: cristina.pecchia at oeaw.ac.at (cristina pecchia) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 17 18:55:39 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions Message-ID: <5d4215e8-cf8d-0d84-b62a-c56a704de70b@oeaw.ac.at> One may add: Charles Malamoud, "Noirceur de l'ecriture. Remarques sur un theme litteraire de l'Inde ancienne" , pp. 85-114. In: Paroles ? dire, paroles ? ?crire : Inde, Chine, Japon / sous la dir. de Viviane Alleton.- Paris : ?d. de l'?cole des hautes ?tudes en sciences sociales, 1997. J. Houben and S. Rath, "Introduction". In: Aspects of Manuscript Culture in South India . Edited by Saraju Rath. Leiden : Brill , 2012.Hartmut Scharfe, Education in ancient India, (especially chapter two) Leiden, Boston : Brill, 2002 Best wishes, cristina pecchia * Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia (IKGA) Austrian Academy of Sciences Hollandstra?e 11-13 (2nd floor) 1020 Vienna Austria (Europe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 19:03:59 2017 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 17 14:03:59 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One could also add: Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. *Sound and Communication: An Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism*. Vol. v. 41. Religion and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition.? *History of Religions* 26, no. 1 (August 1, 1986): 68?86. https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. Hess, Linda. *Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative Worlds in North India*. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. Lutgendorf, Philip. *The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas of Tulsidas*. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield. *Tellings and Texts: Music, Literature and Performance in North India*. Place of publication not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. http://public.eblib.com/choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has been given by Orsini and Schofield in *Tellings...* And then of course Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia and Europe in *Language of the Gods*. And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the context of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available through Columbia U's website. All best, Tyler On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Indology mind-hive, > > > > I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on > questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your > opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a > more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > > > > > Professor McLaughlin, > > > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a > better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm > thinking: > > > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary > tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written > texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources > by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by > the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what > kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged > given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different > cultures? > > > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > > > Best, > > Emma > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* > > > *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, > VA* > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 19:18:47 2017 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 00:48:47 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_Oral_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > One could also add: > > Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. *Sound and Communication: An > Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism*. Vol. v. 41. Religion > and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. > > Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the Holy > Word in the Hindu Tradition.? *History of Religions* 26, no. 1 (August 1, > 1986): 68?86. https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. > > Hess, Linda. *Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative > Worlds in North India*. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. > > Lutgendorf, Philip. *The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas of > Tulsidas*. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. > > Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield. *Tellings and Texts: > Music, Literature and Performance in North India*. Place of publication > not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. http://public.eblib.com/ > choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. > > A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of > characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has > been given by Orsini and Schofield in *Tellings...* And then of course > Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia > and Europe in *Language of the Gods*. > > And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the context > of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available through > Columbia U's website. > > All best, > Tyler > > > > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Indology mind-hive, >> >> >> >> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on >> questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your >> opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a >> more detailed delineation of her questioning. >> >> >> >> Many thanks in advance! >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> Professor McLaughlin, >> >> >> >> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a >> better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm >> thinking: >> >> >> >> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary >> tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written >> texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources >> by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by >> the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what >> kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged >> given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different >> cultures? >> >> >> >> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Emma >> >> -- >> Mark McLaughlin >> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >> >> >> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, >> VA* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psdmccartney at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 00:38:16 2017 From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 11:38:16 +1100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] jIvanmukti In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, to everyone who replied to my query about jivanmukti. It is, as always, greatly appreciated. All the best, Patrick McCartney, PhD JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University Visiting Fellow - Australian National University Skype - psdmccartney Phone + Whatsapp: +61 414 954 748 Twitter - @psdmccartney *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) Yogascapes in Japan Academia - Linkedin Edanz Modern Yoga Research On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Aleksandar Uskokov wrote: > Dear Patrick, > > Sankara (who does not use the term jivan-mukti except once in the > Bhagavad-gita-bhasya, but "if it walks like a duck ...") under > Brhad-aranyaka 1.4.7 justifies the need for nididhyasana the third Vedantic > process, when the Self had been known (and, eo ipso, liberation attained) > by the application of sravana and manana the first two processes, with the > consideration that the karma that had started bearing fruits trumps > knowledge of the Self. Thus even the knower of the Self needs restrain > (niyama) to guard against the functions of the body, mind, and senses. It > must follow, theoretically, that there is a danger, however slight, that > the state of liberation could be lost, or perhaps that final liberation > could be delayed through relapse in identification. > > It is probably worthwhile to remember that jivan-mukti did not mean the > same thing to everyone (and not to forget its aspect of freedom from the > requirement to perform one's duties). Thus Bhaskara, who argued vehemently > against jivan-mukti as Advaitins understood it under Brahma-Sutra 3.4.26-7, > claiming that liberation in life was not possible, nevertheless affirmed > explicitly a form of jivan-mukti under BS 4.1.14, that is, freedom from the > psychological torments such as passion and aversion (?ar?ra-p?te tu vidu?o > muktir ava?ya?-bh?vin?ti | dvidh?-muktir j?vad-avasth?y?? r?ga-dve?a-mohai? > tad-a?gai? ca mad?dibhir vimukti? | p?tottara-k?lam ?tyantik?ti). Since > final liberation happens only after death, provided one maintained perfect > meditation on Brahman and the performance of one's ritual till death, it > must also follow that this kind of jivan-mukti could theoretically be lost > as well, by slacking in meditation and ritual. > > All best > Aleksandar > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 7:39 PM, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Friends, >> >> Is there any mention that, once the state of *j?vanmukti* is attained, >> can it be undone or reversed? Or, is it a theoretically permanent >> disposition? >> >> Thanks. >> >> All the best, >> >> Patrick McCartney, PhD >> JSPS Fellow - Kyoto University >> Visiting Fellow - Australian National University >> >> Skype - psdmccartney >> Phone + Whatsapp: +61 414 954 748 <+61%20414%20954%20748> >> Twitter - @psdmccartney >> >> *bodhap?rvam calema* ;-) >> >> >> Yogascapes in Japan >> >> Academia >> >> - >> >> Linkedin >> >> >> Edanz >> >> >> Modern Yoga Research >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The trader takes the son to his home. A few years later, the friend comes to pick his son, but finds to his horror the son tied to a tree like a monkey and trained to act like one. Aghast, the friend asks what happened. And the trader replies, "Just like gold can turn to brass, so can a boy turn to a monkey". There is, I believe, a Sanskrit shloka which tells this story in verse. I am looking for a reference to the Sanskrit text. Cheers, Greg Bailey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 01:38:06 2017 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 17 20:38:06 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Identifying a verse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Greg, This story does indeed appear in the *Kath?saritas?gara*, and in the Persian *Anv?r-i Suhail?*. Sorry that I don't have the exact reference. Best, Tyler On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Greg Bailey via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Lost, > > A friend who is not on the list asked me for some information about this > brief story which he believes may be expressed in a few ?lokas. It strikes > me that it may come from somewhere in the Kath?sarits?gara. Any suggestions > would be much appreciated. > > > I am writing to get some reference to a Sanskrit stanza (Shloka) which > relates to an ancient Indian story. To put this in context the story > goes as follows: > > An itinerant trader leaves a bowl made of gold for safe-keeping with a > friend, to look after it while he is away. On his return, the trader > finds that the friend had substituted the bowl to one of brass. The > trader realizes that he had been cheated but says nothing. Years later > the friend asks the trader to teach his son the art of trading. The > trader takes the son to his home. A few years later, the friend comes > to pick his son, but finds to his horror the son tied to a tree like a > monkey and trained to act like one. Aghast, the friend asks what > happened. And the trader replies, "Just like gold can turn to brass, so > can a boy turn to a monkey". > > There is, I believe, a Sanskrit shloka which tells this story in verse. > I am looking for a reference to the Sanskrit text. > > Cheers, > > Greg Bailey > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 01:40:17 2017 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 17 20:40:17 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Identifying a verse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (In the Persian version, a merchant leaves an amount of iron with a neighbor, who sells it, telling the merchant that it has been eaten by mice. The merchant kidnaps the man's son, and tells him that a hawk carried the boy off. The punchline is the same: in a town where mice can eat iron, certainly a hawk can pick up a boy.) Best, TWW On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Tyler Williams wrote: > Dear Greg, > > This story does indeed appear in the *Kath?saritas?gara*, and in the > Persian *Anv?r-i Suhail?*. Sorry that I don't have the exact reference. > > Best, > Tyler > > > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Greg Bailey via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear Lost, >> >> A friend who is not on the list asked me for some information about this >> brief story which he believes may be expressed in a few ?lokas. It strikes >> me that it may come from somewhere in the Kath?sarits?gara. Any suggestions >> would be much appreciated. >> >> >> I am writing to get some reference to a Sanskrit stanza (Shloka) which >> relates to an ancient Indian story. To put this in context the story >> goes as follows: >> >> An itinerant trader leaves a bowl made of gold for safe-keeping with a >> friend, to look after it while he is away. On his return, the trader >> finds that the friend had substituted the bowl to one of brass. The >> trader realizes that he had been cheated but says nothing. Years later >> the friend asks the trader to teach his son the art of trading. The >> trader takes the son to his home. A few years later, the friend comes >> to pick his son, but finds to his horror the son tied to a tree like a >> monkey and trained to act like one. Aghast, the friend asks what >> happened. And the trader replies, "Just like gold can turn to brass, so >> can a boy turn to a monkey". >> >> There is, I believe, a Sanskrit shloka which tells this story in verse. >> I am looking for a reference to the Sanskrit text. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Greg Bailey >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 7:25 PM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > To All, > > A quote from the SunnyaVadi school of Mahayana Buddhism says- NastiAsti > "TadUbhayaAnubhaya ChatusKoti Binirmukta Shunnyam Shunnyam" > I f somebody may enlighten me on the actual connotation of the word " > ChatusKoti " > > Alakendu Das > > > > Sent from RediffmailNG on Android > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Mon Nov 6 07:45:20 2017 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 08:45:20 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/ See Issues 29/2October 2015 Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions List of several articles by searching s.v. "India" Best wishes, Christophe Vielle Le 5 nov. 2017 ? 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: > > https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_Oral_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY wrote: > One could also add: > > Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. Sound and Communication: An Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism. Vol. v. 41. Religion and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. > > Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition.? History of Religions 26, no. 1 (August 1, 1986): 68?86. https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. > > Hess, Linda. Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative Worlds in North India. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. > > Lutgendorf, Philip. The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas of Tulsidas. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. > > Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield. Tellings and Texts: Music, Literature and Performance in North India. Place of publication not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. http://public.eblib.com/choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. > > A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has been given by Orsini and Schofield in Tellings... And then of course Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia and Europe in Language of the Gods. > > And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the context of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available through Columbia U's website. > > All best, > Tyler > > > > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY wrote: > Dear Indology mind-hive, > > > I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > > > Professor McLaughlin, > > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm thinking: > > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different cultures? > > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > > Best, > > Emma > > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions > Department of Religious Studies > College of William and Mary > Williamsburg, VA > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk Mon Nov 6 11:38:37 2017 From: dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk (dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 11:38:37 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Identifying a verse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5A0049BD.29123.93BC10@dermot.grevatt.force9.co.uk> The Persian version mentioned by Tyler is more precisely a version of the one in Purnabhadra's Pancatantra, Book I. Dermot Killingley On 5 Nov 2017 at 20:40, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY wrote: (In the Persian version, a merchant leaves an amount of iron with a neighbor, who sells it, telling the merchant that it has been eaten by mice. The merchant kidnaps the man's son, and tells him that a hawk carried the boy off. The punchline is the same: in a town where mice can eat iron, certainly a hawk can pick up a boy.) Best, TWW On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Tyler Williams wrote: Dear Greg, This story does indeed appear in the Kathasaritasagara, and in the Persian Anvar-i Suhaili. Sorry that I don't have the exact reference. Best, Tyler On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Greg Bailey via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear Lost, A friend who is not on the list asked me for some information about this brief story which he believes may be expressed in a few ?slokas. It strikes me that it may come from somewhere in the Kath?sarits?gara. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I am writing to get some reference to a Sanskrit stanza (Shloka) which relates to an ancient Indian story. To put this in context the story goes as follows: An itinerant trader leaves a bowl made of gold for safe-keeping with a friend, to look after it while he is away. On his return, the trader finds that the friend had substituted the bowl to one of brass. The trader realizes that he had been cheated but says nothing. Years later the friend asks the trader to teach his son the art of trading. The trader takes the son to his home. A few years later, the friend comes to pick his son, but finds to his horror the son tied to a tree like a monkey and trained to act like one. Aghast, the friend asks what happened. And the trader replies, "Just like gold can turn to brass, so can a boy turn to a monkey". There is, I believe, a Sanskrit shloka which tells this story in verse. I am looking for a reference to the Sanskrit text. Cheers, Greg Bailey _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Dermot Killingley 9, Rectory Drive, Gosforth, Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 1XT Phone (0191) 285 8053 From elisa.freschi at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 12:16:20 2017 From: elisa.freschi at gmail.com (Elisa Freschi) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 13:16:20 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One might check also the work of Dr. Bruno Lo Turco, who researches on the topic of orality and aurality in premodern India, see, for instance: Propagation of written culture in Brahmanical India LO TURCO, B. 2013 In : SCRIPTA. 6, p. 85-93 9 p. Best wishes to Emma, ef On 6 November 2017 at 08:45, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: > http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/ > See Issues > > - 29/2 > - October 2015 > > > - Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions > > List of several articles by searching s.v. "India" > Best wishes, > Christophe Vielle > > Le 5 nov. 2017 ? 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > > It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word > "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: > > https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_ > Oral_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> One could also add: >> >> Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. *Sound and Communication: An >> Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism*. Vol. v. 41. Religion >> and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. >> >> Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the >> Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition.? *History of Religions* 26, no. 1 >> (August 1, 1986): 68?86. https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. >> >> Hess, Linda. *Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative >> Worlds in North India*. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. >> >> Lutgendorf, Philip. *The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas of >> Tulsidas*. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. >> >> Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield. *Tellings and Texts: >> Music, Literature and Performance in North India*. Place of publication >> not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. >> http://public.eblib.com/choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. >> >> A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of >> characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has >> been given by Orsini and Schofield in *Tellings...* And then of course >> Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia >> and Europe in *Language of the Gods*. >> >> And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the context >> of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available through >> Columbia U's website. >> >> All best, >> Tyler >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear Indology mind-hive, >>> >>> >>> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on >>> questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your >>> opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a >>> more detailed delineation of her questioning. >>> >>> >>> Many thanks in advance! >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> Professor McLaughlin, >>> >>> >>> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a >>> better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm >>> thinking: >>> >>> >>> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary >>> tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written >>> texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources >>> by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by >>> the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what >>> kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged >>> given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different >>> cultures? >>> >>> >>> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Emma >>> >>> -- >>> Mark McLaughlin >>> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >>> >>> >>> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, >>> VA* >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Dr. Elisa Freschi (Tue to Thu) Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia Austrian Academy of Sciences Hollandstra?e 11-13, 2nd floor NEW ADDRESS! 1020 Vienna, Austria Phone ++43 (0)1 51581 6433 Fax ++43 (0)1 51581 6410 (Fri to Tue) Institute for South Asian, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies University of Vienna Spitalgasse 2, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1 1090 Vienna, Austria Phone ++43 (0)1 4277 43505 http://elisafreschi.com http://oeaw.academia.edu/elisafreschi Virenfrei. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl Mon Nov 6 12:19:49 2017 From: H.J.H.Tieken at hum.leidenuniv.nl (Tieken, H.J.H.) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 12:19:49 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear List members, I am not sure if it is relevant to the topic at hand, but in the introductions of, for instance, the Har?acarita, Raghuva??a and the Sanskrit plays the respective authors of the texts play with the idea of live performances of royal panegyric, va??as and dramas (see my "On Beginnings: Introductions and Prefaces in K?vya", in: Bronner-Shulman-Tubb, Innovations and Turningpoints, Oxford-Delhi 2014, pp. 86-108). Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com ________________________________ Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: maandag 6 november 2017 8:45 Aan: markasha at gmail.com CC: indology at list.indology.info Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/ See Issues * 29/2 * October 2015 * Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions List of several articles by searching s.v. "India" Best wishes, Christophe Vielle Le 5 nov. 2017 ? 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY > a ?crit : It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_Oral_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY > wrote: One could also add: Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. Sound and Communication: An Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism. Vol. v. 41. Religion and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition.? History of Religions 26, no. 1 (August 1, 1986): 68?86. https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. Hess, Linda. Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative Worlds in North India. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. Lutgendorf, Philip. The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas of Tulsidas. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield. Tellings and Texts: Music, Literature and Performance in North India. Place of publication not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. http://public.eblib.com/choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has been given by Orsini and Schofield in Tellings... And then of course Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia and Europe in Language of the Gods. And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the context of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available through Columbia U's website. All best, Tyler On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Indology mind-hive, I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a more detailed delineation of her questioning. Many thanks in advance! Mark Professor McLaughlin, I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm thinking: What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different cultures? Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! Best, Emma -- Mark McLaughlin Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions Department of Religious Studies College of William and Mary Williamsburg, VA _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Klaus Klaus Karttunen South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B) 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND Tel +358-(0)2941 4482418 Fax +358-(0)2941 22094 Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi > On 06 Nov 2017, at 13:38, Dermot Killingley via INDOLOGY wrote: > > The Persian version mentioned by Tyler is more precisely a version of the one in > Purnabhadra's Pancatantra, Book I. > > Dermot Killingley > > On 5 Nov 2017 at 20:40, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY wrote: > > (In the Persian version, a merchant leaves an amount of iron with a neighbor, who sells it, > telling the merchant that it has been eaten by mice. The merchant kidnaps the man's son, > and tells him that a hawk carried the boy off. The punchline is the same: in a town where > mice can eat iron, certainly a hawk can pick up a boy.) > > Best, > TWW > > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Tyler Williams wrote: > Dear Greg, > > This story does indeed appear in the Kathasaritasagara, and in the Persian Anvar-i > Suhaili. Sorry that I don't have the exact reference. > > Best, > Tyler > > > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Greg Bailey via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear Lost, > > A friend who is not on the list asked me for some information about this > brief story which he believes may be expressed in a few ?slokas. It strikes > me that it may come from somewhere in the Kath?sarits?gara. Any > suggestions would be much appreciated. > > > I am writing to get some reference to a Sanskrit stanza (Shloka) which > relates to an ancient Indian story. To put this in context the story > goes as follows: > > An itinerant trader leaves a bowl made of gold for safe-keeping with a > friend, to look after it while he is away. On his return, the trader > finds that the friend had substituted the bowl to one of brass. The > trader realizes that he had been cheated but says nothing. Years later > the friend asks the trader to teach his son the art of trading. The > trader takes the son to his home. A few years later, the friend comes > to pick his son, but finds to his horror the son tied to a tree like a > monkey and trained to act like one. Aghast, the friend asks what > happened. And the trader replies, "Just like gold can turn to brass, so > can a boy turn to a monkey". > > There is, I believe, a Sanskrit shloka which tells this story in verse. > I am looking for a reference to the Sanskrit text. > > Cheers, > > Greg Bailey > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > -- > Dermot Killingley > 9, Rectory Drive, > Gosforth, > Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 1XT > Phone (0191) 285 8053 > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 13:33:06 2017 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 19:03:06 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: After the orality - litercy paradigm of analysis became popular, a big number of publications and conference papers in regional Indian languages made interesting observations. Prof. Velcheru Narayana Rao in his PhD dissertation written in Telugu uses the word dvikartrikatva to refer to the the authorship of the dictating composer anticipating the role of an explaining / elaborating lecture-performer such as a pauraaNika and the 'authorship' of the explaining / elaborating lecture-performer such as a pauraaNika. I propsed in my conference paper https://www.academia.edu/8614163/Marga_and_Desi_in_Narrative_Comparative_Literature_-National_seminar_on_Narratology_of_Indian_Literature_Telugu_University_Prelude_to_founding_the_Comparative_Literature_Department_Telugu_University_1989 that gadyapadyamis'ra format of champ? is a result of bringing the lyric -prose / verse-prose narrative performance art technique into text-composing. There could be more regional Indian (language) writings. On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear List members, > I am not sure if it is relevant to the topic at hand, but in the > introductions of, for instance, the Har?acarita, Raghuva??a and the > Sanskrit plays the respective authors of the texts play with the idea of > live performances of royal panegyric, va??as and dramas (see my "On > Beginnings: Introductions and Prefaces in K?vya", in: Bronner-Shulman-Tubb, > Innovations and Turningpoints, Oxford-Delhi 2014, pp. 86-108). > Herman > > Herman Tieken > Stationsweg 58 > 2515 BP Den Haag > The Netherlands > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > website: hermantieken.com > ------------------------------ > *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Christophe > Vielle via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] > *Verzonden:* maandag 6 november 2017 8:45 > *Aan:* markasha at gmail.com > *CC:* indology at list.indology.info > *Onderwerp:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary > Traditions > > The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: > http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/ > See Issues > > - 29/2 > - October 2015 > > > - Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions > > List of several articles by searching s.v. "India" > Best wishes, > Christophe Vielle > > Le 5 nov. 2017 ? 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > > It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word > "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: > > https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_Ora > l_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> One could also add: >> >> Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. *Sound and Communication: An >> Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism*. Vol. v. 41. Religion >> and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. >> >> Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the >> Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition.? *History of Religions* 26, no. 1 >> (August 1, 1986): 68?86. https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. >> >> Hess, Linda. *Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative >> Worlds in North India*. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. >> >> Lutgendorf, Philip. *The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas of >> Tulsidas*. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. >> >> Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield. *Tellings and Texts: >> Music, Literature and Performance in North India*. Place of publication >> not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. >> http://public.eblib.com/choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. >> >> A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of >> characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has >> been given by Orsini and Schofield in *Tellings...* And then of course >> Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia >> and Europe in *Language of the Gods*. >> >> And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the context >> of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available through >> Columbia U's website. >> >> All best, >> Tyler >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear Indology mind-hive, >>> >>> >>> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on >>> questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your >>> opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a >>> more detailed delineation of her questioning. >>> >>> >>> Many thanks in advance! >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> Professor McLaughlin, >>> >>> >>> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a >>> better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm >>> thinking: >>> >>> >>> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary >>> tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written >>> texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources >>> by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by >>> the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what >>> kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged >>> given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different >>> cultures? >>> >>> >>> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Emma >>> >>> -- >>> Mark McLaughlin >>> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >>> >>> >>> *Department of Religious Studies College of William and Mary >>> Williamsburg, VA* >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbagchee at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 16:21:08 2017 From: jbagchee at gmail.com (Joydeep) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 17:21:08 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Mark, your student mentions ?the subsequent privileging of textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy,? but my impression is that, at least for the Mah?bh?rata and the R?m?ya?a, it was the other way around. There was a privileging of oral sources or, rather, what scholars took to be their ??oral? ?sources? (since there is no evidence they existed except for what scholars reductively extrapolated from their written versions). She may want to read this paper on how scholars, using circular and unscientific arguments, posited hypothetical oral versions of these texts: https://www.academia.edu/34898668/John_Brockington_and_the_Sanskrit_Epics. She will also find resources in *The Nay Science*, chapters 1?2 to answer her entirely valid question, ?Who is excluded and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other?? As this has been a frequent source of misunderstanding (Jan Houben got our views wrong when he wrote, ?except for Adluri and Bagchee most specialists agree this [oral transmission] played an important role in the early transmission of the Indian epics?), the point is not that an oral tradition does not exist, but that scholars have failed to make a case that oral versions conforming to their prejudices about the texts and the tradition actually existed?a point we also clarify in the Brockington paper (see n. 8). Best, Joydeep Dr. Joydeep Bagchee Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen Academia.edu Homepage The Nay Science Argument and Design Reading the Fifth Veda When the Goddess Was a Woman Transcultural Encounters between Germany and India German Indology on OBO Hinduism ___________________ What, then, is Philosophy? Philosophy is the supremely precious. Plotinus, Enneads I.III.5 On 2 November 2017 at 22:21, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Indology mind-hive, > > > > I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on > questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your > opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a > more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > > > > > Professor McLaughlin, > > > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a > better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm > thinking: > > > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary > tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written > texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources > by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by > the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what > kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged > given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different > cultures? > > > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > > > Best, > > Emma > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* > > > *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, > VA* > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glhart at berkeley.edu Mon Nov 6 16:44:10 2017 From: glhart at berkeley.edu (George L. HART) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 11:44:10 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <-4544368014898039663@unknownmsgid> I would recommend Stuart Blackburn?s Singing of Birth and Death: Texts in Performance. This is, I think, an indispensable work for understanding the interface between written and oral in traditional Indian culture. George Hart Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Joydeep via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: Dear Mark, your student mentions ?the subsequent privileging of textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy,? but my impression is that, at least for the Mah?bh?rata and the R?m?ya?a, it was the other way around. There was a privileging of oral sources or, rather, what scholars took to be their ??oral? ?sources? (since there is no evidence they existed except for what scholars reductively extrapolated from their written versions). She may want to read this paper on how scholars, using circular and unscientific arguments, posited hypothetical oral versions of these texts: https://www.academia.edu/34898668/John_Brockington_and_the_Sanskrit_Epics. She will also find resources in *The Nay Science*, chapters 1?2 to answer her entirely valid question, ?Who is excluded and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other?? As this has been a frequent source of misunderstanding (Jan Houben got our views wrong when he wrote, ?except for Adluri and Bagchee most specialists agree this [oral transmission] played an important role in the early transmission of the Indian epics?), the point is not that an oral tradition does not exist, but that scholars have failed to make a case that oral versions conforming to their prejudices about the texts and the tradition actually existed?a point we also clarify in the Brockington paper (see n. 8). Best, Joydeep Dr. Joydeep Bagchee Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen Academia.edu Homepage The Nay Science Argument and Design Reading the Fifth Veda When the Goddess Was a Woman Transcultural Encounters between Germany and India German Indology on OBO Hinduism ___________________ What, then, is Philosophy? Philosophy is the supremely precious. Plotinus, Enneads I.III.5 On 2 November 2017 at 22:21, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Indology mind-hive, > > > > I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on > questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your > opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a > more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > > > > > Professor McLaughlin, > > > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a > better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm > thinking: > > > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary > tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written > texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources > by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by > the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what > kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged > given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different > cultures? > > > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > > > Best, > > Emma > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* > > > *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, > VA* > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be Mon Nov 6 16:55:38 2017 From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 17:55:38 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <662671BE-7EAE-4768-B745-A5AEC93EF43D@uclouvain.be> In the margin of this thread, or as a very special case, following this article just issued in the Hindu http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/strings-attached/article19982142.ece attention can be drawn to the traditional shadow-puppetry performed in several Bhagavati temples of Palakkad, Malappuram and Thrissur Distr. of Kerala, called To?lp?vak?ttu. See, with a focus on the relationship between oral and literary traditions, the work of Stuart Blackburn, Inside the Drama-House: R?ma Stories and Shadow Puppets in South India, Berkeley: University of California Press, 1996 ? e-version here: http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft5q2nb449;brand=ucpress (cf. also Gopal Venu, Tolpava Koothu: Shadow Puppets in Kerala, New Delhi: Sangeet Natak Akademi, 1990; Laurent Aubert, Les Feux de la D?esse: Rituels villageois du Kerala (Inde du Sud), Lausanne: Payot, 2004, pp. 107-121). Here attached the picture no. 2 in the article, showing the manuscripts (in Malayalam script for the one readable) attached to the oral performances (on the basis of the Kampan Rm stanzas, with written and free amplifications, the former called ??alp???u, mixing Tamil, Malayalam and Sanskrit), preserved (?...) by the puppeteers. Le 6 nov. 2017 ? 13:19, Tieken, H.J.H. a ?crit : > Dear List members, > I am not sure if it is relevant to the topic at hand, but in the introductions of, for instance, the Har?acarita, Raghuva??a and the Sanskrit plays the respective authors of the texts play with the idea of live performances of royal panegyric, va??as and dramas (see my "On Beginnings: Introductions and Prefaces in K?vya", in: Bronner-Shulman-Tubb, Innovations and Turningpoints, Oxford-Delhi 2014, pp. 86-108). > Herman > > Herman Tieken > Stationsweg 58 > 2515 BP Den Haag > The Netherlands > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > website: hermantieken.com > Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] > Verzonden: maandag 6 november 2017 8:45 > Aan: markasha at gmail.com > CC: indology at list.indology.info > Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions > > The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: > http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/ > See Issues > 29/2October 2015 > Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions > List of several articles by searching s.v. "India" > Best wishes, > Christophe Vielle > > Le 5 nov. 2017 ? 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > >> It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: >> >> https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_Oral_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY wrote: >> One could also add: >> >> Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. Sound and Communication: An Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism. Vol. v. 41. Religion and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. >> >> Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition.?History of Religions 26, no. 1 (August 1, 1986): 68?86.https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. >> >> Hess, Linda. Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative Worlds in North India. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. >> >> Lutgendorf, Philip. The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas of Tulsidas. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. >> >> Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield.Tellings and Texts: Music, Literature and Performance in North India. Place of publication not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. http://public.eblib.com/choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. >> >> A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has been given by Orsini and Schofield inTellings... And then of course Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia and Europe in Language of the Gods. >> >> And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the context of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available through Columbia U's website. >> >> All best, >> Tyler >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY wrote: >> Dear Indology mind-hive, >> >> >> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a more detailed delineation of her questioning. >> >> >> Many thanks in advance! >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> Professor McLaughlin, >> >> >> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm thinking: >> >> >> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different cultures? >> >> >> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! >> >> >> Best, >> >> Emma >> >> >> -- >> Mark McLaughlin >> Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions >> Department of Religious Studies >> College of William and Mary >> Williamsburg, VA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve ??????????????????? 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In other words apart from the connections /interface / comparison / study of relative significance - between oral and written texts, a similar focus on connections /interface / comparison / study of relative significance - between texts and the reality of life, rituals, and other facts also needs to be taken up. On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > In the margin of this thread, or as a very special case, following this > article just issued in the Hindu > > http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/strings- > attached/article19982142.ece > > attention can be drawn to the traditional shadow-puppetry performed in > several Bhagavati temples of Palakkad, Malappuram and Thrissur Distr. of > Kerala, called To?lp?vak?ttu. See, with a focus on the relationship > between oral and literary traditions, the work of Stuart Blackburn, *Inside > the Drama-House: R**?**ma Stories and Shadow Puppets in South India*, > Berkeley: University of California Press, 1996 ? e-version here: > http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId= > ft5q2nb449;brand=ucpress (cf. also Gopal Venu, *Tolpava Koothu: Shadow > Puppets in Kerala*, New Delhi: Sangeet Natak Akademi, 1990; Laurent > Aubert, *Les Feux de la D?esse: Rituels villageois du Kerala (Inde du > Sud)*, Lausanne: Payot, 2004, pp. 107-121). Here attached the picture no. > 2 in the article, showing the manuscripts (in Malayalam script for the one > readable) attached to the oral performances (on the basis of the Kampan Rm > stanzas, with written and free amplifications, the former called ??alp???u, > mixing Tamil, Malayalam and Sanskrit), preserved (?...) by the puppeteers. > > > Le 6 nov. 2017 ? 13:19, Tieken, H.J.H. a > ?crit : > > Dear List members, > I am not sure if it is relevant to the topic at hand, but in the > introductions of, for instance, the Har?acarita, Raghuva??a and the > Sanskrit plays the respective authors of the texts play with the idea of > live performances of royal panegyric, va??as and dramas (see my "On > Beginnings: Introductions and Prefaces in K?vya", in: Bronner-Shulman-Tubb, > Innovations and Turningpoints, Oxford-Delhi 2014, pp. 86-108). > Herman > > Herman Tieken > Stationsweg 58 > 2515 BP Den Haag > The Netherlands > 00 31 (0)70 2208127 > website: hermantieken.com > ------------------------------ > *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Christophe > Vielle via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] > *Verzonden:* maandag 6 november 2017 8:45 > *Aan:* markasha at gmail.com > *CC:* indology at list.indology.info > *Onderwerp:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary > Traditions > > The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: > http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/ > See Issues > > - 29/2 > - October 2015 > > > - Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions > > List of several articles by searching s.v. "India" > Best wishes, > Christophe Vielle > > Le 5 nov. 2017 ? 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : > > It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word > "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: > > https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_ > Oral_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> One could also add: >> >> Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. *Sound and Communication: An >> Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism*. Vol. v. 41. Religion >> and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. >> >> Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the >> Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition.?*History of Religions* 26, no. 1 >> (August 1, 1986): 68?86.https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. >> >> Hess, Linda. *Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative >> Worlds in North India*. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. >> >> Lutgendorf, Philip. *The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas of >> Tulsidas*. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. >> >> Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield.*Tellings and Texts: >> Music, Literature and Performance in North India*. Place of publication >> not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. http://public.eblib.com/ >> choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. >> >> A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of >> characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has >> been given by Orsini and Schofield in*Tellings...* And then of course >> Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia >> and Europe in *Language of the Gods*. >> >> And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the context >> of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available through >> Columbia U's website. >> >> All best, >> Tyler >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> Dear Indology mind-hive, >>> >>> >>> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on >>> questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your >>> opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a >>> more detailed delineation of her questioning. >>> >>> >>> Many thanks in advance! >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> Professor McLaughlin, >>> >>> >>> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a >>> better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm >>> thinking: >>> >>> >>> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary >>> tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written >>> texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources >>> by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by >>> the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what >>> kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged >>> given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different >>> cultures? >>> >>> >>> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Emma >>> >>> -- >>> Mark McLaughlin >>> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >>> >>> >>> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, >>> VA* >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > > ??????????????????? > Christophe Vielle > Louvain-la-Neuve > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 001Manuscript2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 130936 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 18:05:52 2017 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 17 13:05:52 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Identifying a verse In-Reply-To: <40D7F140-34FD-4802-8060-5A35FF094895@helsinki.fi> Message-ID: Interesting! Thank you for these references. Best, Tyler On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Klaus Karttunen via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Still more precisely, Anv?r-i Suhail? is Persian version (once removed) of > Ibn al-Muqaffa??s Arabic Kalila wa Dimna, which is based on Burz?e?s lost > Middle Persian translation of the Pa?catantra. The story in question is the > last in the fifth chapter of the KwD (no. 37 in Chauvin?s numbering). In > Pa?catantra it is 1, 11 of Edgerton, 1, 17 of the Tantr?khy?yika, and 1, 28 > of P?r?abhadra. With John of Capua it entered European literature, thus > e.g. La Fontaine 9, 1 ?Le d?positaire infid?le? is a new version of the > same. In Anv?r-i S. it is the last (28th) story of the first book in > Wollaston?s translation. > > Best, > Klaus > > Klaus Karttunen > South Asian and Indoeuropean Studies > Asian and African Studies, Department of World Cultures > PL 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B) > 00014 University of Helsinki, FINLAND > Tel +358-(0)2941 4482418 > Fax +358-(0)2941 22094 > Klaus.Karttunen at helsinki.fi > > > > > > > On 06 Nov 2017, at 13:38, Dermot Killingley via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > The Persian version mentioned by Tyler is more precisely a version of the > one in > Purnabhadra's Pancatantra, Book I. > > Dermot Killingley > > On 5 Nov 2017 at 20:40, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY wrote: > > (In the Persian version, a merchant leaves an amount of iron with a > neighbor, who sells it, > telling the merchant that it has been eaten by mice. The merchant kidnaps > the man's son, > and tells him that a hawk carried the boy off. The punchline is the same: > in a town where > mice can eat iron, certainly a hawk can pick up a boy.) > > Best, > TWW > > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Tyler Williams > wrote: > Dear Greg, > > This story does indeed appear in the Kathasaritasagara, and in the > Persian Anvar-i > Suhaili. Sorry that I don't have the exact reference. > > Best, > Tyler > > > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Greg Bailey via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear Lost, > > A friend who is not on the list asked me for some information about > this > brief story which he believes may be expressed in a few ?slokas. It > strikes > me that it may come from somewhere in the Kath?sarits?gara. Any > suggestions would be much appreciated. > > > I am writing to get some reference to a Sanskrit stanza (Shloka) which > relates to an ancient Indian story. To put this in context the story > goes as follows: > > An itinerant trader leaves a bowl made of gold for safe-keeping with a > friend, to look after it while he is away. On his return, the trader > finds that the friend had substituted the bowl to one of brass. The > trader realizes that he had been cheated but says nothing. Years later > the friend asks the trader to teach his son the art of trading. The > trader takes the son to his home. A few years later, the friend comes > to pick his son, but finds to his horror the son tied to a tree like a > monkey and trained to act like one. Aghast, the friend asks what > happened. And the trader replies, "Just like gold can turn to brass, so > can a boy turn to a monkey". > > There is, I believe, a Sanskrit shloka which tells this story in verse. > I am looking for a reference to the Sanskrit text. > > Cheers, > > Greg Bailey > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options > or > unsubscribe) > > > > -- > Dermot Killingley > 9, Rectory Drive, > Gosforth, > Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 1XT > Phone (0191) 285 8053 > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hermantull at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 19:49:14 2017 From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 17 14:49:14 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been following this discussion with great interest, not the least because I am just now writing a short piece on the effect of the Bible on literacy in India. Of course, the introduction of the printing press into India (to ensure distribution of Indian language bibles) is one obvious route into this. But, are there specific discussions of how the protestant-educated Hindus may have seen the missionary emphasis on literary culture (meaning the Bible) as leading to a "new" valuation of the Indian "textual" tradition (by this I refer to both oral and written text), favoring the literary (in the sense of a "written" text)? I have collected some bits and pieces about this (especially Blackburn's work and Oddie's), but if there are specific studies available, I would appreciate hearing about them. Herman Tull Lafayette College On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Another significant aspect she might want to focus on is "textualism" by > which I mean: to conclude about the reality outside the texts, purely on > the basis of words in the texts. > > In other words apart from the connections /interface / comparison / study > of relative significance - between oral and written texts, a similar focus > on connections /interface / comparison / study of relative significance - > between texts and the reality of life, rituals, and other facts also needs > to be taken up. > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> In the margin of this thread, or as a very special case, following this >> article just issued in the Hindu >> >> http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/strings-attache >> d/article19982142.ece >> >> attention can be drawn to the traditional shadow-puppetry performed in >> several Bhagavati temples of Palakkad, Malappuram and Thrissur Distr. of >> Kerala, called To?lp?vak?ttu. See, with a focus on the relationship >> between oral and literary traditions, the work of Stuart Blackburn, *Inside >> the Drama-House: R**?**ma Stories and Shadow Puppets in South India*, >> Berkeley: University of California Press, 1996 ? e-version here: >> http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft5q2nb >> 449;brand=ucpress (cf. also Gopal Venu, *Tolpava Koothu: Shadow Puppets >> in Kerala*, New Delhi: Sangeet Natak Akademi, 1990; Laurent Aubert, *Les >> Feux de la D?esse: Rituels villageois du Kerala (Inde du Sud)*, >> Lausanne: Payot, 2004, pp. 107-121). Here attached the picture no. 2 in the >> article, showing the manuscripts (in Malayalam script for the one readable) >> attached to the oral performances (on the basis of the Kampan Rm stanzas, >> with written and free amplifications, the former called ??alp???u, >> mixing Tamil, Malayalam and Sanskrit), preserved (?...) by the puppeteers. >> >> >> Le 6 nov. 2017 ? 13:19, Tieken, H.J.H. >> a ?crit : >> >> Dear List members, >> I am not sure if it is relevant to the topic at hand, but in the >> introductions of, for instance, the Har?acarita, Raghuva??a and the >> Sanskrit plays the respective authors of the texts play with the idea of >> live performances of royal panegyric, va??as and dramas (see my "On >> Beginnings: Introductions and Prefaces in K?vya", in: Bronner-Shulman-Tubb, >> Innovations and Turningpoints, Oxford-Delhi 2014, pp. 86-108). >> Herman >> >> Herman Tieken >> Stationsweg 58 >> 2515 BP Den Haag >> The Netherlands >> 00 31 (0)70 2208127 >> website: hermantieken.com >> ------------------------------ >> *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Christophe >> Vielle via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] >> *Verzonden:* maandag 6 november 2017 8:45 >> *Aan:* markasha at gmail.com >> *CC:* indology at list.indology.info >> *Onderwerp:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary >> Traditions >> >> The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: >> http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/ >> See Issues >> >> - 29/2 >> - October 2015 >> >> >> - Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions >> >> List of several articles by searching s.v. "India" >> Best wishes, >> Christophe Vielle >> >> Le 5 nov. 2017 ? 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : >> >> It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word >> "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: >> >> https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_Ora >> l_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> One could also add: >>> >>> Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. *Sound and Communication: An >>> Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism*. Vol. v. 41. Religion >>> and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. >>> >>> Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the >>> Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition.?*History of Religions* 26, no. 1 >>> (August 1, 1986): 68?86.https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. >>> >>> Hess, Linda. *Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative >>> Worlds in North India*. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. >>> >>> Lutgendorf, Philip. *The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas >>> of Tulsidas*. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. >>> >>> Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield.*Tellings and Texts: >>> Music, Literature and Performance in North India*. Place of publication >>> not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. http://public.eblib.com/ >>> choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. >>> >>> A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of >>> characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has >>> been given by Orsini and Schofield in*Tellings...* And then of course >>> Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia >>> and Europe in *Language of the Gods*. >>> >>> And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the >>> context of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available >>> through Columbia U's website. >>> >>> All best, >>> Tyler >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Indology mind-hive, >>>> >>>> >>>> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on >>>> questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your >>>> opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a >>>> more detailed delineation of her questioning. >>>> >>>> >>>> Many thanks in advance! >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Professor McLaughlin, >>>> >>>> >>>> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a >>>> better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm >>>> thinking: >>>> >>>> >>>> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary >>>> tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written >>>> texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources >>>> by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by >>>> the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what >>>> kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged >>>> given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different >>>> cultures? >>>> >>>> >>>> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Emma >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark McLaughlin >>>> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and >>>> MaryWilliamsburg, VA* >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> >> >> ??????????????????? >> Christophe Vielle >> Louvain-la-Neuve >> >> >> ??????????????????? >> Christophe Vielle >> Louvain-la-Neuve >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rosati * Archaeologist PhD in *Civilizations of Asia and Africa* (South Asia section) Italian Institute of Oriental Studies 'Sapienza' University of Rome *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ * paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it paoloe.rosati at gmail.com Skype: paoloe.rosati Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.darumadera at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 22:49:59 2017 From: john.darumadera at gmail.com (John Huntington) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 17 17:49:59 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] The symbolism of lion and tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Paolo, One of the best studies on animals in Indian culture is Alexandra van der Geer's *Animals in Stone: Indian Mammals Sculptured Through Time, Brill. *Leiden & Boston; 2008. See Chapters 33, 34, 35 ((Lion, Leopard,& Tiger). She provides an excellent brief synopsis and an almost overwhelming bibliography. John On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Paolo Eugenio Rosati via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear indologists, > > May anyone suggest me any study on the symbolism of tiger and lion (more > specifically on their association with Durga [Kali, Parvati, etc.] and with > kingship)? > > With the best wishes, > Paolo > > -- > Paolo E. Rosati > Archaeologist > PhD in Civilizations of Asia and Africa > (South Asia section) > Italian Institute of Oriental Studies > 'Sapienza' University of Rome > > https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ > > paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it > paoloe.rosati at gmail.com > Skype: paoloe.rosati > Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > *Paolo E. Rosati * > Archaeologist > PhD in *Civilizations of Asia and Africa* > (South Asia section) > Italian Institute of Oriental Studies > 'Sapienza' University of Rome > > *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ > * > paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it > paoloe.rosati at gmail.com > Skype: paoloe.rosati > Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Palaniappa at aol.com Wed Nov 8 01:37:01 2017 From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 17 19:37:01 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] California textbooks again! Message-ID: <99F93EE5-5C80-48B7-8B3B-E49F3D8949D4@aol.com> Dear Indologists, The following news item may be of interest to some. http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/dalits-plead-california-to-delay-nod-for-textbooks/article19998966.ece?homepage=true Regards, Palaniappan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elisa.freschi at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 07:09:19 2017 From: elisa.freschi at gmail.com (Elisa Freschi) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 17 08:09:19 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Emma, dear Mark, I have still something else to signal, namely the chapter on "Orality and Writing" within Raffaele Torella's "The philosophical traditions of India: an appraisal" (Indica Books, Varanasi 2011), pp 197-211. The whole book can be downloaded from Academia (https://www.academia.edu/ 31112290/THE_PHILOSOPHICAL_TRADITIONS_OF_INDIA_AN_APPRAISAL). Best, elisa On 2 November 2017 at 22:21, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Indology mind-hive, > > > > I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on > questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your > opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a > more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > > > > > Professor McLaughlin, > > > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a > better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm > thinking: > > > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary > tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written > texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources > by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by > the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what > kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged > given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different > cultures? > > > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > > > Best, > > Emma > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* > > > *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, > VA* > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Dr. Elisa Freschi (Tue to Thu) Institute for the Cultural and Intellectual History of Asia Austrian Academy of Sciences Hollandstra?e 11-13, 2nd floor NEW ADDRESS! 1020 Vienna, Austria Phone ++43 (0)1 51581 6433 Fax ++43 (0)1 51581 6410 (Fri to Tue) Institute for South Asian, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies University of Vienna Spitalgasse 2, Hof 2, Eingang 2.1 1090 Vienna, Austria Phone ++43 (0)1 4277 43505 http://elisafreschi.com http://oeaw.academia.edu/elisafreschi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wouldn?t mind so much if I thought that a penny of that was likely to be going to Professor van der Geer... Valerie J Roebuck Manchester, UK > On 7 Nov 2017, at 22:49, John Huntington via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear Paolo, > > One of the best studies on animals in Indian culture is Alexandra van der Geer's Animals in Stone: Indian Mammals Sculptured Through Time, Brill. Leiden & Boston; 2008. See Chapters 33, 34, 35 ((Lion, Leopard,& Tiger). She provides an excellent brief synopsis and an almost overwhelming bibliography. > > John > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Paolo Eugenio Rosati via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear indologists, > > May anyone suggest me any study on the symbolism of tiger and lion (more specifically on their association with Durga [Kali, Parvati, etc.] and with kingship)? > > With the best wishes, > Paolo > > -- > Paolo E. Rosati > Archaeologist > PhD in Civilizations of Asia and Africa > (South Asia section) > Italian Institute of Oriental Studies > 'Sapienza' University of Rome > > https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ > > paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it > paoloe.rosati at gmail.com > Skype: paoloe.rosati > Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Paolo E. Rosati > Archaeologist > PhD in Civilizations of Asia and Africa > (South Asia section) > Italian Institute of Oriental Studies > 'Sapienza' University of Rome > > https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ > paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it > paoloe.rosati at gmail.com > Skype: paoloe.rosati > Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 13:23:14 2017 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 17 18:53:14 +0530 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > But, are there specific discussions of how the protestant-educated Hindus may have seen the missionary emphasis on literary culture (meaning the Bible) as leading to a "new" valuation of the Indian "textual" tradition (by this I refer to both oral and written text), favoring the literary (in the sense of a "written" text)? --Herman Tull ------ Researchers on the history of Telugu language particularly of inscriptions discussed how the 'literacy' of the stone-inscriber and illiteracy of the inscription-dictating-scholar/officer lead to 'mistakes' / irregularities / inconsistencies /hyperstandardisations in the inscriptions. While teaching these to the present post-literate generation , it turns out to be very hard to make the students imagine illetarate scholars and literate non-scholars situation of those times. Equating literacy with education and vice-versa is a well established tendency almost without exception among modern Indians. Expressions like 'illiterate masses' are used in the sense of 'ignorant common people' in the modern Indian discourse. This has its influence on the modern Indian's imagination of the pre-modern India. The influence of messianic attitude that it is the responsibility of the knowledgeable to spread his knowledge to all the 'masses', acquired as part of modernity added to this new imagination of pre-modern India, modern Indians frequently allege that the illiteracy of the pre-modern Indian masses was because of the scholars keeping them illiterate with a conspiracy that the masses wouldn't know the secrets of knowledge hidden in the (written) books of the scholars. They refuse to believe that the scholars themselves were illiterate , their 'studies' in their 'schools' were through oral tradition and that there was no tendency, as today, of one pitying others for not having one's knowledge, in that milieu and that is the reason they did not try to 'convert' everyone else into their knowledge. My own colleagues in the university /academia refuse to accept that literacy was not an index of development of society or progress of an Individual in pre-modern India. With verse particularly metrical verse being gradually looking to be a frightening wild animal from the past to the general modern Indian students getting educated in the spoken (non-classical) versions of their mother tongue through prose texts, these students take it for granted that the ancient Indian works being in verse was part of the conspiracy that the masses wouldn't know the secrets of knowledge hidden in the (written) books of the scholars. The fact that the books being in verse was part of the culture of the oral societies, having, among other things, the memorising facility, as the purpose, is neither explained by the educators nor attempted to be learnt by the educated. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:19 AM, Herman Tull via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > I've been following this discussion with great interest, not the least > because I am just now writing a short piece on the effect of the Bible on > literacy in India. Of course, the introduction of the printing press into > India (to ensure distribution of Indian language bibles) is one obvious > route into this. But, are there specific discussions of how the > protestant-educated Hindus may have seen the missionary emphasis on > literary culture (meaning the Bible) as leading to a "new" valuation of the > Indian "textual" tradition (by this I refer to both oral and written text), > favoring the literary (in the sense of a "written" text)? I have collected > some bits and pieces about this (especially Blackburn's work and Oddie's), > but if there are specific studies available, I would appreciate hearing > about them. > > Herman Tull > Lafayette College > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Another significant aspect she might want to focus on is "textualism" by >> which I mean: to conclude about the reality outside the texts, purely on >> the basis of words in the texts. >> >> In other words apart from the connections /interface / comparison / study >> of relative significance - between oral and written texts, a similar focus >> on connections /interface / comparison / study of relative significance - >> between texts and the reality of life, rituals, and other facts also needs >> to be taken up. >> >> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >>> In the margin of this thread, or as a very special case, following this >>> article just issued in the Hindu >>> >>> http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/strings-attache >>> d/article19982142.ece >>> >>> attention can be drawn to the traditional shadow-puppetry performed in >>> several Bhagavati temples of Palakkad, Malappuram and Thrissur Distr. of >>> Kerala, called To?lp?vak?ttu. See, with a focus on the relationship >>> between oral and literary traditions, the work of Stuart Blackburn, *Inside >>> the Drama-House: R**?**ma Stories and Shadow Puppets in South India*, >>> Berkeley: University of California Press, 1996 ? e-version here: >>> http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft5q2nb >>> 449;brand=ucpress (cf. also Gopal Venu, *Tolpava Koothu: Shadow Puppets >>> in Kerala*, New Delhi: Sangeet Natak Akademi, 1990; Laurent Aubert, *Les >>> Feux de la D?esse: Rituels villageois du Kerala (Inde du Sud)*, >>> Lausanne: Payot, 2004, pp. 107-121). Here attached the picture no. 2 in the >>> article, showing the manuscripts (in Malayalam script for the one readable) >>> attached to the oral performances (on the basis of the Kampan Rm stanzas, >>> with written and free amplifications, the former called ??alp???u, >>> mixing Tamil, Malayalam and Sanskrit), preserved (?...) by the puppeteers. >>> >>> >>> Le 6 nov. 2017 ? 13:19, Tieken, H.J.H. >>> a ?crit : >>> >>> Dear List members, >>> I am not sure if it is relevant to the topic at hand, but in the >>> introductions of, for instance, the Har?acarita, Raghuva??a and the >>> Sanskrit plays the respective authors of the texts play with the idea of >>> live performances of royal panegyric, va??as and dramas (see my "On >>> Beginnings: Introductions and Prefaces in K?vya", in: Bronner-Shulman-Tubb, >>> Innovations and Turningpoints, Oxford-Delhi 2014, pp. 86-108). >>> Herman >>> >>> Herman Tieken >>> Stationsweg 58 >>> 2515 BP Den Haag >>> The Netherlands >>> 00 31 (0)70 2208127 >>> website: hermantieken.com >>> ------------------------------ >>> *Van:* INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Christophe >>> Vielle via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] >>> *Verzonden:* maandag 6 november 2017 8:45 >>> *Aan:* markasha at gmail.com >>> *CC:* indology at list.indology.info >>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary >>> Traditions >>> >>> The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: >>> http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/ >>> See Issues >>> >>> - 29/2 >>> - October 2015 >>> >>> >>> - Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions >>> >>> List of several articles by searching s.v. "India" >>> Best wishes, >>> Christophe Vielle >>> >>> Le 5 nov. 2017 ? 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> a ?crit : >>> >>> It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word >>> "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: >>> >>> https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_Ora >>> l_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>> >>>> One could also add: >>>> >>>> Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. *Sound and Communication: An >>>> Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism*. Vol. v. 41. Religion >>>> and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. >>>> >>>> Brown, C. Mackenzie. ?Pur??a as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the >>>> Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition.?*History of Religions* 26, no. 1 >>>> (August 1, 1986): 68?86.https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. >>>> >>>> Hess, Linda. *Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative >>>> Worlds in North India*. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. >>>> >>>> Lutgendorf, Philip. *The Life of a Text: Performing the R?mcaritm?nas >>>> of Tulsidas*. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. >>>> >>>> Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield.*Tellings and Texts: >>>> Music, Literature and Performance in North India*. Place of >>>> publication not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. >>>> http://public.eblib.com/choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=4386697. >>>> >>>> A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of >>>> characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has >>>> been given by Orsini and Schofield in*Tellings...* And then of course >>>> Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia >>>> and Europe in *Language of the Gods*. >>>> >>>> And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the >>>> context of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available >>>> through Columbia U's website. >>>> >>>> All best, >>>> Tyler >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < >>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Indology mind-hive, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper >>>>> on questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your >>>>> opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a >>>>> more detailed delineation of her questioning. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks in advance! >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Professor McLaughlin, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a >>>>> better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm >>>>> thinking: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary >>>>> tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written >>>>> texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources >>>>> by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by >>>>> the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what >>>>> kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged >>>>> given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different >>>>> cultures? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other >>>>> day! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Emma >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark McLaughlin >>>>> *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and >>>>> MaryWilliamsburg, VA* >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>>> committee) >>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>>> or unsubscribe) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>>> committee) >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>>> or unsubscribe) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nagaraj Paturi >>> >>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >>> >>> >>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >>> >>> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >>> >>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >>> >>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >>> >>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >>> >>> ??????????????????? >>> Christophe Vielle >>> Louvain-la-Neuve >>> >>> >>> ??????????????????? >>> Christophe Vielle >>> Louvain-la-Neuve >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >>> committee) >>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options >>> or unsubscribe) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nagaraj Paturi >> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. >> >> >> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra >> >> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala >> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies >> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, >> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 001Manuscript2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 130936 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Wed Nov 8 17:17:40 2017 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 17 11:17:40 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] California textbooks again! In-Reply-To: <99F93EE5-5C80-48B7-8B3B-E49F3D8949D4@aol.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Palaniappan, for sharing this. I've been following news of the revisions, and in general they have reflected a very poor level of scholarship and writing in the textbooks in general-- not only in regard to characterizations of caste and ancient Hinduism, but also in regard to Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism, Christianity, etc. In addition to pressure from interest groups, the consolidation of commercial interests in textbook publishing in the United States has led to a depressing state of affairs in which quality of materials suffers to market dynamics. 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URL: From karl-stephan.bouthillette.1 at ulaval.ca Wed Nov 8 18:29:19 2017 From: karl-stephan.bouthillette.1 at ulaval.ca (Karl-Stephan Bouthillette) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 17 18:29:19 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Reason in Jainism In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1510165759339.9355@ulaval.ca> Dear colleagues, As I am preparing a thesis chapter on Jaina Doxography, I am seeking the most up to date and relevant publications (articles and books) on the historical developments of rationality and epistemology in Jainism. I am particularly seeking information about: 1. the role and function of dialectic in Jaina soteriology 2. the historical context which led Jainas to involve themselves in debates and controversies with their opponents (particularly in the centuries before and during Haribhadra's time) I find it particularly difficult to avail myself of data on the second point. Any suggestions on any of these two point would be greatly appreciated. Most kindly, Karl-Stephan Bouthillette Doctoral Fellow Institute for Indology and Tibetology Department of Asian Studies Ludwig-Maximilians-University Munich From dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk Wed Nov 8 18:59:04 2017 From: dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk (dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 17 18:59:04 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5A0353F8.22522.26700C7@dermot.grevatt.force9.co.uk> Dear Herman, A forthcoming article gives some of the history of the transformation of an oral corpus of Kannada bhakti poetry into a printed corpus, initiated by missionaries in the 19th century. Would that be relevant to your work? I give details and abstract below. Dermot Killingley "Dasa Sahitya: Some Notes on Early Publications" by Shashikantha Koudur. Religions of South Asia 10.3 Abstract: Dasa Sahitya is a literary genre in Kannada, first seen in the late fifteenth century. Making its mark both in literature and in Indian classical music, Dasa Sahitya attracted the attention of missionaries and other colonial functionaries, and was one of the first genres to be edited and published in Kannada in the mid-nineteenth century. Very soon, native editors and publishers started working on the genre. Usually classified under bhakti literature in the literary historiography of Kannada literature, Dasa Sahitya was published by individuals of varying interests. This essay makes a survey of some of the early publications of the genre, and notes varying concerns and interests with which they were produced. We refrain from classifying these works as either `colonial? or `nationalist?, while noting that the genre and the associated works were inextricably linked to the Brahmin community from the days of the early publications, even as this community projected it as part of `Kannada? culture. We also note evidence of cultural opposition to the change from manuscript to print. On 7 Nov 2017 at 14:49, Herman Tull via INDOLOGY wrote: I've been following this discussion with great interest, not the least because I am just now writing a short piece on the effect of the Bible on literacy in India. Of course, the introduction of the printing press into India (to ensure distribution of Indian language bibles) is one obvious route into this. But, are there specific discussions of how the protestant-educated Hindus may have seen the missionary emphasis on literary culture (meaning the Bible) as leading to a "new" valuation of the Indian "textual" tradition (by this I refer to both oral and written text), favoring the literary (in the sense of a "written" text)? I have collected some bits and pieces about this (especially Blackburn's work and Oddie's), but if there are specific studies available, I would appreciate hearing about them. Herman Tull Lafayette College On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY wrote: Another significant aspect she might want to focus on is "textualism" by which I mean: to conclude about the reality outside the texts, purely on the basis of words in the texts. In other words apart from the connections /interface / comparison / study of relative significance - between oral and written texts, a similar focus on connections /interface / comparison / study of relative significance - between texts and the reality of life, rituals, and other facts also needs to be taken up. On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY wrote: In the margin of this thread, or as a very special case, following this article just issued in the Hindu http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/strings-attached/article19982142.e ce attention can be drawn to the traditional shadow-puppetry performed in several Bhagavati temples of Palakkad, Malappuram and Thrissur Distr. of Kerala, called Tolpavakuttu. See, with a focus on the relationship between oral and literary traditions, the work of Stuart Blackburn, Inside the Drama-House: Rama Stories and Shadow Puppets in South India, Berkeley: University of California Press, 1996 - e-version here: http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft5q2nb449;brand=ucpress (cf. also Gopal Venu, Tolpava Koothu: Shadow Puppets in Kerala, New Delhi: Sangeet Natak Akademi, 1990; Laurent Aubert, Les Feux de la D?esse: Rituels villageois du Kerala (Inde du Sud), Lausanne: Payot, 2004, pp. 107-121). Here attached the picture no. 2 in the article, showing the manuscripts (in Malayalam script for the one readable) attached to the oral performances (on the basis of the Kampan Rm stanzas, with written and free amplifications, the former called aalpau , mixing Tamil, Malayalam and Sanskrit), preserved (?...) by the puppeteers. Le 6 nov. 2017 ? 13:19, Tieken, H.J.H. a ?crit : Dear List members, I am not sure if it is relevant to the topic at hand, but in the introductions of, for instance, the Haracarita, Raghuva?sa and the Sanskrit plays the respective authors of the texts play with the idea of live performances of royal panegyric, va?sas and dramas (see my "On Beginnings: Introductions and Prefaces in Kavya", in: Bronner-Shulman-Tubb, Innovations and Turningpoints, Oxford-Delhi 2014, pp. 86-108). Herman Herman Tieken Stationsweg 58 2515 BP Den Haag The Netherlands 00 31 (0)70 2208127 website: hermantieken.com Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info] Verzonden: maandag 6 november 2017 8:45 Aan: markasha at gmail.com CC: indology at list.indology.info Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sources on Relationship btw Oral/Literary Traditions The periodical "Oral Tradition" might have relevant papers: http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/ See Issues * 29/2 * October 2015 * Transmissions and Transitions in Indian Oral Traditions List of several articles by searching s.v. "India" Best wishes, Christophe Vielle Le 5 nov. 2017 ? 20:18, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY a ?crit : It is Lauri Honko, the Finnish Folklorist who uses the word "textualization" in the sense of bringing an oral text into a written form: https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Textualization_of_Ora l_Epics.html?id=vyfOPBtlz54C On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY wrote: One could also add: Wilke, Annette, and Oliver. Moebus. Sound and Communication: An Aesthetic Cultural History of Sanskrit Hinduism. Vol. v. 41. Religion and Society,. Berlin: De Gruyter, 2011. Brown, C. Mackenzie. "Puraa as Scripture: From Sound to Image of the Holy Word in the Hindu Tradition."History of Religions 26, no. 1 (August 1, 1986): 68-86.https://doi.org/10.2307/1062388. Hess, Linda. Bodies of Song: Kabir Oral Traditions and Performative Worlds in North India. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2015. Lutgendorf, Philip. The Life of a Text: Performing the Ramcaritmanas of Tulsidas. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1991. Orsini, Francesca, and Katherine Butler Schofield.Tellings and Texts: Music, Literature and Performance in North India. Place of publication not identified: Open Book Publishers, 2015. http://public.eblib.com/choice/publicfullrecord.aspx?p=43 86697. A short but thoughtful overview of some of the difficulties of characterizing the relationship between written texts and oral culture has been given by Orsini and Schofield inTellings... And then of course Pollock compares the relationship between 'literacy' and writing in S. Asia and Europe in Language of the Gods. And, at the risk of self-promotion, I discuss these issues in the context of early modern North India in my dissertation, which is available through Columbia U's website. All best, Tyler On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: Dear Indology mind-hive, I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a more detailed delineation of her questioning. Many thanks in advance! Mark Professor McLaughlin, I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm thinking: What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different cultures? Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! Best, Emma -- Mark McLaughlin Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions Department of Religious Studies College of William and Mary Williamsburg, VA __________________________________________ _____ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ______________________________________________ _ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ------------------- Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve ------------------- Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -- Dermot Killingley 9, Rectory Drive, Gosforth, Newcastle upon Tyne NE3 1XT Phone (0191) 285 8053 The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. 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I > had a request out for it on secondhand book sites for over a year, and > eventually got it for about ?120, because I?ve found it indispensable. Most > copies seem to go for about ?240 +, and, inexcusably in my opinion, the > eBook version is the same price. > > I wouldn?t mind so much if I thought that a penny of that was likely to be > going to Professor van der Geer... > > Valerie J Roebuck > Manchester, UK > > > On 7 Nov 2017, at 22:49, John Huntington via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear Paolo, > > One of the best studies on animals in Indian culture is Alexandra van der > Geer's *Animals in Stone: Indian Mammals Sculptured Through Time, Brill. *Leiden > & Boston; 2008. See Chapters 33, 34, 35 ((Lion, Leopard,& Tiger). She > provides an excellent brief synopsis and an almost overwhelming > bibliography. > > John > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Paolo Eugenio Rosati via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear indologists, >> >> May anyone suggest me any study on the symbolism of tiger and lion (more >> specifically on their association with Durga [Kali, Parvati, etc.] and with >> kingship)? >> >> With the best wishes, >> Paolo >> >> -- >> Paolo E. Rosati >> Archaeologist >> PhD in Civilizations of Asia and Africa >> (South Asia section) >> Italian Institute of Oriental Studies >> 'Sapienza' University of Rome >> >> https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ >> >> paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it >> paoloe.rosati at gmail.com >> Skype: paoloe.rosati >> Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Paolo E. Rosati * >> Archaeologist >> PhD in *Civilizations of Asia and Africa* >> (South Asia section) >> Italian Institute of Oriental Studies >> 'Sapienza' University of Rome >> >> *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/ >> * >> paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it >> paoloe.rosati at gmail.com >> Skype: paoloe.rosati >> Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Karl-Stephan Bouthillette via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > As I am preparing a thesis chapter on Jaina Doxography, I am seeking the > most up to date and relevant publications (articles and books) on the > historical developments of rationality and epistemology in Jainism. > > I am particularly seeking information about: > > 1. the role and function of dialectic in Jaina soteriology > > 2. the historical context which led Jainas to involve themselves in > debates and controversies with their opponents (particularly in the > centuries before and during Haribhadra's time) > > I find it particularly difficult to avail myself of data on the second > point. > > Any suggestions on any of these two point would be greatly appreciated. > > Most kindly, > > Karl-Stephan Bouthillette > > Doctoral Fellow > Institute for Indology and Tibetology > Department of Asian Studies > Ludwig-Maximilians-University > Munich > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have past them all on to Emma, who is simultaneously thrilled and overwhelmed, but she is now diving into these suggestions in order to make sense out of this vast list. and its relation to her interests. With much appreciation, Mark On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Mark McLaughlin wrote: > Dear Indology mind-hive, > > > > I have an undergraduate student who is interested in writing a paper on > questions of oral and literary traditions. I would like to solicit your > opinions on potential sources for her. Please see her message below for a > more detailed delineation of her questioning. > > > > Many thanks in advance! > > Mark > > > > > > Professor McLaughlin, > > > > I read through a little more of the Pollock book last night to get a > better feel for some questions. I think generally this is what I'm > thinking: > > > > What is the difference and relationship between the oral and literary > tradition? How has that relationship evolved with the emergence of written > texts, vernacularization, and the subsequent privileging of textual sources > by the colonial West and the Academy? Who is excluded and/or included by > the privileging of one kind of knowledge over the other? For scholars, what > kind of nuanced understanding of literacy should be sought or acknowledged > given that "to be literate" can mean different things in different > cultures? > > > > Let me know if this sounds like what I was talking about the other day! > > > > Best, > > Emma > > -- > Mark McLaughlin > *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* > > > *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, > VA* > -- Mark McLaughlin *Visiting Assistant Professor of South Asian Religions* *Department of Religious StudiesCollege of William and MaryWilliamsburg, VA* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Nov 10 21:24:07 2017 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 17 13:24:07 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0gUXVlc3Rpb24gYWJvdXQgRHZhbnnEgWxva2EgYW5kIExvY2FuYQ==?= In-Reply-To: <300693396.706130.1510343168113@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Shankaraji, for this link. Did Kuppuswami Sastry edit the second Uddyota as well? Madhav Deshpande On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 11:46 AM, shankara wrote: > Deshpandeji, > > First Udyota of Dhvanyaloka with Lochana was critically edited by > Kuppuswami Sastry. This edition was published in 1944 from Madras. Link is > given below. Krishnamoorthy mentions this edition in the introduction to > his critical edition of Dhvanyaloka. > > https://www.scribd.com/doc/116405848/Dhvanyaloka-Kuppuswami-sastri > > regards > shankara > > > On Saturday 11 November 2017, 12:15:03 AM IST, Madhav Deshpande < > mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote: > > > Dear Colleagues, > > I am currently reading a section of Dvany?loka with Abhinavagupta's > Locana. However, what I find is that the three or four different editions > that I am consulting give very different readings, and this is very > frustrating to say the least. My question is: Is there a critical edition > of these texts that provides all manuscript variants, and provides a text > that is more trustworthy? The translation of Mason and Patwardhan is not > accompanied by a Sanskrit text. Any help would be appreciated. > > Madhav Deshpande > Campbell, California > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emstern1948 at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 22:04:36 2017 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 17 17:04:36 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0gUXVlc3Rpb24gYWJvdXQgRHZhbnnEgWxva2EgYW5kIExvY2FuYQ==?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <92A14475-7981-4223-B5DF-578751CD5B10@gmail.com> It is also available at archive.org . Kuppuswami Sastri died in 1943. The introduction alludes to other responsibilities and ill health as factors in his not having published even uddyota 1 during his lifetime. So far as I can see, uddyota 1 is the only published portion. Elliot > On 10 Nov 2017, at 16:24, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > Thanks, Shankaraji, for this link. Did Kuppuswami Sastry edit the second Uddyota as well? > > Madhav Deshpande > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 11:46 AM, shankara > wrote: > Deshpandeji, > > First Udyota of Dhvanyaloka with Lochana was critically edited by Kuppuswami Sastry. This edition was published in 1944 from Madras. Link is given below. Krishnamoorthy mentions this edition in the introduction to his critical edition of Dhvanyaloka. > > https://www.scribd.com/doc/116405848/Dhvanyaloka-Kuppuswami-sastri > > regards > shankara > > > On Saturday 11 November 2017, 12:15:03 AM IST, Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > > > Dear Colleagues, > > I am currently reading a section of Dvany?loka with Abhinavagupta's Locana. However, what I find is that the three or four different editions that I am consulting give very different readings, and this is very frustrating to say the least. My question is: Is there a critical edition of these texts that provides all manuscript variants, and provides a text that is more trustworthy? The translation of Mason and Patwardhan is not accompanied by a Sanskrit text. Any help would be appreciated. > > Madhav Deshpande > Campbell, California > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "???????????????????" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to bvparishat at googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emstern1948 at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 22:49:54 2017 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 17 17:49:54 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtJTkRPTE9HWV0ge+CkreCkvuCksOCkpOClgOCkr+CkteCkv+CkpuCljeCkteCkpOCljeCkquCksOCkv+Ckt+CkpOCljX0gUXVlc3Rpb24gYWJvdXQgRHZhbnnEgWxva2EgYW5kIExvY2FuYQ==?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44EFA5E7-1A56-4F52-909D-CCD1BF156AAE@gmail.com> Uddyota 1 is the only published volume. Kuppuswami Sastri died in 1943. The edition mentions other projects and failing health as factors in noncompletetion of this project. The published uddyota 1 is also available on archive.org . Ellio\\ > On 10 Nov 2017, at 16:24, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > wrote: > > Thanks, Shankaraji, for this link. Did Kuppuswami Sastry edit the second Uddyota as well? > > Madhav Deshpande > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 11:46 AM, shankara > wrote: > Deshpandeji, > > First Udyota of Dhvanyaloka with Lochana was critically edited by Kuppuswami Sastry. This edition was published in 1944 from Madras. Link is given below. Krishnamoorthy mentions this edition in the introduction to his critical edition of Dhvanyaloka. > > https://www.scribd.com/doc/116405848/Dhvanyaloka-Kuppuswami-sastri > > regards > shankara > > > On Saturday 11 November 2017, 12:15:03 AM IST, Madhav Deshpande > wrote: > > > Dear Colleagues, > > I am currently reading a section of Dvany?loka with Abhinavagupta's Locana. However, what I find is that the three or four different editions that I am consulting give very different readings, and this is very frustrating to say the least. My question is: Is there a critical edition of these texts that provides all manuscript variants, and provides a text that is more trustworthy? The translation of Mason and Patwardhan is not accompanied by a Sanskrit text. 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URL: From Palaniappa at aol.com Sat Nov 11 03:22:56 2017 From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 17 21:22:56 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] California textbooks again! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here is a news update. http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/controversial-us-textbooks-get-nod/article20109769.ece?homepage=true Regards, Palaniappan > On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Tyler Williams wrote: > > Thank you, Palaniappan, for sharing this. I've been following news of the revisions, and in general they have reflected a very poor level of scholarship and writing in the textbooks in general-- not only in regard to characterizations of caste and ancient Hinduism, but also in regard to Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism, Christianity, etc. In addition to pressure from interest groups, the consolidation of commercial interests in textbook publishing in the United States has led to a depressing state of affairs in which quality of materials suffers to market dynamics. > > Best, > TWW > > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear Indologists, > > The following news item may be of interest to some. > http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/dalits-plead-california-to-delay-nod-for-textbooks/article19998966.ece?homepage=true > > Regards, > Palaniappan > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ph2046 at columbia.edu Sat Nov 11 15:10:21 2017 From: ph2046 at columbia.edu (Paul Hackett) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 17 10:10:21 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication: The Assimilation of Yogic Religions Through Pop Culture Message-ID: Dear colleagues, (Apologies for cross-posting.) I wanted to let you know about a recently-published collection of essays on yogic religions and pop culture that might be of interest to the members of this list. The Assimilation of Yogic Religions Through Pop Culture. Edited by Paul G. Hackett; foreword by David Gordon White. NY: Lexington Books (2017). The book is available directly from the publisher with a special 30% discount off the list price using the special discount code ("LEX30AUTH18" -- please see the attached flyer). https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781498552295/The-Assimilation-of-Yogic-Religions-through-Pop-Culture ABOUT THE BOOK: The image of the meditating yogi has become a near-universal symbol for transcendent perfection used to market everything from perfume and jewelry to luxury resorts and sports cars, and popular culture has readily absorbed it along similar lines. Yet the religious traditions grounding such images are often readily abandoned or caricatured beyond recognition, or so it would seem. The essays contained in The Assimilation of Yogic Religions through Pop Culture explore the references to yogis and their native cultures of India, Tibet, and China as they are found in the stories of many famous icons of popular culture, from Batman, Spider-Man, and Doctor Strange to Star Trek, Doctor Who, Twin Peaks, and others. In doing so, the authors challenge the reader to look deeper into the seemingly superficial appropriation of the image of the yogi and Asian religious themes found in all manner of comic books, novels, television, movies, and theater and to carefully examine how they are being represented and what exactly is being said. TABLE OF CONTENTS: Foreword David Gordon White Editor's Preface Paul G. Hackett Part I: Theatre and Film Introduction Ken Derry 1. The Yogi, the Prince, and the Courtesan: Iz??l in Europe and America Samuel Th?voz 2. Supermen, Mystical Women, and Oriental Others: Dynamics of Race and Gender in Pop Cultural Yogis and the Universal Superhuman Anya P. Foxen 3. From the Razor's Edge to the Scalpel's Blade: Larry Darrell, Doctor Strange, and the Trope of the Rehabilitated Western Man as Yogi Paul G. Hackett Part II: Television and Serials Introduction Jane Naomi Iwamura and Paul G. Hackett 4. ?I?ll See You Again in Twenty-Five Years:? Tibetan Buddhism in David Lynch?s Twin Peaks and American Pop Culture in the 90s Adam C. Krug 5. The Future is Not What it Used To Be: Religion, Yogic Power, and Tibet in Star Trek and Doctor Who Paul G. Hackett 6. The Blank Scriptures of the Xiyou ji: Interpretive Flexibility and Religious Stability in Post-1949 Adaptations of The Journey to the West Nathan Faries and Yuanfei Wang Part III: Comic Books and Graphic Novels Introduction A. David Lewis 7. The Spiritual Superhero: A Historical Overview of Tantra in Comics Albion M. Butters 8. The Implied Spider-Man: Transcreating Religious Imagery and Meaning in Spider-Man: India Rex Barnes 9. The Dark Knight of the Soul: Death as Initiatory Ordeal in Grant Morrison?s Batman R.I.P. Joel Bordeaux Afterword Paul G. Hackett -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Hackett-YogicReligions_Flyer.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 310701 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanus1216 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 11 22:30:09 2017 From: alanus1216 at yahoo.com (Allen Thrasher) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 17 22:30:09 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] California textbooks again! In-Reply-To: <99F93EE5-5C80-48B7-8B3B-E49F3D8949D4@aol.com> Message-ID: <1467403267.322865.1510439409480@mail.yahoo.com> There was a symposium about Islam and Muslims in American textbooks about 10 years ago, which included some general comments about textbook production in the U.S. Academics do not get credit from their universities for writing textbooks for tenure or promotion, so they are unmotivated to write them.? When they do sign on for involvement, they usually just supply an outline and a reading list for others. When I asked who actually writes them (no one else thought to) the reply was, "unemployed English majors." Might one how that in the intervening years, with the endlessly rising demands for tenure including "community service," textbooks might be counted under that heading? Allen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY wrote: Dear Indologists, The following news item may be of interest to some.http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/dalits-plead-california-to-delay-nod-for-textbooks/article19998966.ece?homepage=true? Regards,Palaniappan_______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled.bat URL: From amundra at uchicago.edu Sat Nov 11 23:21:27 2017 From: amundra at uchicago.edu (Anil Mundra) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 17 18:21:27 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Reason in Jainism In-Reply-To: <1510165759339.9355@ulaval.ca> Message-ID: Dear Karl-Stephan, For #1, some of the following may be useful (caveat: I have not yet read all of these): Barbato, Melanie. 2017. *Jain Approaches to Plurality: Identity As Dialogue*. Leiden?; Boston: Rodopi Bv Editions. Bhatt, Bansidhar. 1978. *The Canonical Nik?epa: Studies in Jaina Dialectics*. Leiden: Brill. Dixit, K. K. *Jaina Ontology*. 1st ed. . L?labh?? Dalapatabh?? Grantham?l??; 31. Ahmedabad: LDInstitute of Indology, 1971. Fl?gel, Peter. ?Power and Insight in Jaina Discourse.? In *Logic and Belief in Indian Philosophy*, edited by Piotr Balcerowicz, 85?217. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidas, 2010. http://eprints.soas.ac.uk/8209/. Matilal, Bimal Krishna. 1981. *The Central Philosophy of Jainism (Anekanta-Vada)*. Ahmedabad: LD Institute of Indology. Sharma, Arvind. ?The Relationship of Jain Epistemology to Its Ontology and Soteriology.? *Jain Journal* 14 (80 1979): 64?67. Soni, Jayandra. 1997. ?Philosophical Significance of the Jaina Theory of Manifoldness.? In *Philosophie aus interkultureller Sicht = Philosophy from an intercultural perspective*, 7:277?87. Studien zur interkulturellen Philosophie. Amsterdam?; Atlanta, GA: Rodopi. For #2, perhaps you already know of Kendall Folkert's Harvard dissertation, *Two Jaina Approaches to Non-Jainas: Patterns and Implications*, almost all of which was printed (in a form edited and re-ordered by John Cort) in *Scripture and Community: Collected Essays on the Jains, (*Atlanta, Ga.: Scholars Press, 1993). This is mostly concerned with texts involving Jain accounts of 363 rival doctrines, and doxographies beginning with Haribhadra; it doesn't involve much "historical context" if you mean material beyond doctrinal texts. But some of the other essays in that collection provide some social history that might be relevant. Here are some other potentially helpful references, again mostly relating to doctrine: Boll?e, W.B. ?Adda or the Oldest Extant Dispute Between Jains and Heretics (S?yaga?a 2,6),? in *Studies in Jain History and Culture: Disputes and Dialogues*, ed. Peter Flugel. London; New York: Routledge, 2006. ------------. ?Adda or the Oldest Extant Dispute Between Jains and Heretics (S?yaga?a 2,6), Part Two,? *Journal of Indian Philosophy*, 27 (411?437), 1999. Deleu, J. ?Lord Mah?v?ra and the Anyat?rthikas,? in *Mahavira and His Teachings*, ed. A.N. Upadhye, et al. Ahmedabad: Navajivan Press, 1977. Halbfass, Wilhelm. ?Studien zum S?yaga?a: Die Jainas und die anderen Weltanschauungen vor der Zeitenwende. Textteile, Nijjutti, ?bersetzung und Anmerkungen. Teil I. by Willem B. Boll?e,? *The Journal of Asian Studies*, Vol. 39, No. 3 (613-615), 1980. Kapadia, H. R. ?Ethico-Religious Classifications of Mankind as Embodied in the Jaina Canon,? *Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute*, Vol. 15, No. 1/2 (97-108), 1933-34. Good luck, Anil On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Karl-Stephan Bouthillette via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > As I am preparing a thesis chapter on Jaina Doxography, I am seeking the > most up to date and relevant publications (articles and books) on the > historical developments of rationality and epistemology in Jainism. > > I am particularly seeking information about: > > 1. the role and function of dialectic in Jaina soteriology > > 2. the historical context which led Jainas to involve themselves in > debates and controversies with their opponents (particularly in the > centuries before and during Haribhadra's time) > > I find it particularly difficult to avail myself of data on the second > point. > > Any suggestions on any of these two point would be greatly appreciated. > > Most kindly, > > Karl-Stephan Bouthillette > > Doctoral Fellow > Institute for Indology and Tibetology > Department of Asian Studies > Ludwig-Maximilians-University > Munich > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From markasha at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 01:05:47 2017 From: markasha at gmail.com (Mark McLaughlin) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 17 20:05:47 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Extension, Reminder, and Details of Muktabodha Anniversary Tea at AAR Message-ID: Dear All, Just a reminder that the Muktabodha Indological Research Institute is marking its 20th anniversary this year with a celebratory tea in Boston, held in conjunction with the annual American Academy of Religion Conference next weekend. EXTENSION: The tea time inadvertently overlaps with the Yoga in Theory and Practice panel (4:30-6:30). As such, the tea has been extended so that it now runs from 5:30-8:00, with an honoring of Bill Mahony, the founding president of Muktabodha, to take place at 7:00. The details are thus: Saturday, November 18, from 5:30-8:00 at the Westin Copley Palace Hotel Newbury & Gloucester Rooms (10 Huntington Ave, Boston, MA). Hoping to see many of you there! 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Proctor" To: Cc: Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:23 AM Subject: [consald] Fwd: [New post] Donation of Monier-Williams archive _filtered #yiv9666477472 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} FYI, ESP -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [New post] Donation of Monier-Williams archive From: Archives and Manuscripts at the Bodleian Library Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017, 10:12 AM To: edwardproctor at gmail.com CC: #yiv9666477472 a:hover {color:red;}#yiv9666477472 a {text-decoration:none;color:#0088cc;}#yiv9666477472 a.yiv9666477472primaryactionlink:link, #yiv9666477472 a.yiv9666477472primaryactionlink:visited {background-color:#2585B2;color:#fff;}#yiv9666477472 a.yiv9666477472primaryactionlink:hover, #yiv9666477472 a.yiv9666477472primaryactionlink:active {background-color:#11729E;color:#fff;}#yiv9666477472 WordPress.com | gillian.evison posted: "The Bodleian owes much of its rich collection of Indic manuscripts and books to the personal collection of?Oxford University's?Boden Professor of Sanskrit, Sir Monier Monier-Williams and that of?the Indian Institute Library, which he founded in 1883. 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Lumbini International Research Institute. 2010. Vol. 1. Pp. 117-139. The author himself has uploaded a pre-publication version, but, as I wish to cite it, it will be necessary to consult a copy of the print version to ensure that the pagination is correct. with thanks, as ever, for your generous assistance, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The author himself has uploaded a pre-publication version, but, as I wish to cite it, it will be necessary to consult a copy of the print version to ensure that the pagination is correct. with thanks, as ever, for your generous assistance, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pp. 117-139. >> >> The author himself has uploaded a pre-publication version, but, as I wish to cite it, it will be necessary to >> consult a copy of the print version to ensure that the pagination is correct. >> >> with thanks, as ever, >> for your generous assistance, >> >> Matthew >> >> Matthew Kapstein >> Directeur d'?tudes, >> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes >> >> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, >> The University of Chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Tue Nov 14 09:10:38 2017 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 17 09:10:38 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Thanks Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047C7D6E9@xm-mbx-06-prod> Thank you to the many who continued to respond to my pdf request even after my initial thanks to Mark Allon for having sent me a copy! all best, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at austin.utexas.edu Tue Nov 14 16:04:51 2017 From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 17 16:04:51 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Article Message-ID: Would anyone have a PDF of Walter Ruben?s "Inter-state Relations in Ancient India and Kautalya's Arthasastra?? Thanks. Patrick From heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de Tue Nov 14 17:19:08 2017 From: heike.oberlin at uni-tuebingen.de (Heike Oberlin) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 17 18:19:08 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Malayalam_for_Beginners:_T=C3=BCbingen,_12-16.2._&_19.-23.2.2018?= Message-ID: <6B2FA7E9-5586-46AC-B028-DDE8E54EA8ED@uni-tuebingen.de> Dear members of the list, The Dept. of Indology, University of T?bingen, invites registrations for the next Malayalam course for beginners in February 2018: Malaya?l?am ? Course for Beginners 12.-16.2. and 19.-23.2.2018 Prof. Dr. Heike Oberlin & Dr. Elena Mucciarelli Venue: Institute of Asian and Oriental Studies, Dept. of Indology Keplerstr. 2, 72074 Tuebingen, room 002 Time: Both weeks: Monday ? Friday, daily 10:00-12:30 and 14:30-17:00 h Fees: For students of the University of Tuebingen: both weeks 15 ? (copying costs for teaching materials) Others: per week 60 ? (including copying costs for teaching materials) Registration: Until 31.12.2017 > sarah.merkle-schneider at uni-tuebingen.de Credit points / ECTS: Each of the two weeks is equivalent to a lecture with 2 hours per week. For students of other departments or universities: The count of credit points must be fixed individually with the respective department or home university. A continuation course will be offered as part of the Gundert Chair for Malayalam. Details: http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/index.php?eID=tx_nawsecuredl&u=0&g=0&t=1510769913&hash=f44c2085165c3a33a9ecd4e38b58f4ca4b03de3c&file=fileadmin/Uni_Tuebingen/Fakultaeten/Kulturwissenschaften/Institute/Asien-Orient-Institut/Indologie/Gundert_Chair/Malayalam_2018.pdf Best regards, Heike Oberlin ------------------- Prof. Dr. Heike Oberlin General Manager & Scientific Coordinator (AOI) Associate Professor (Indology) Eberhard-Karls-Universit?t Tuebingen Institute of Asian and Oriental Studies (AOI) Dept. of Indology and Comparative Religion Keplerstr. 2 (room 139) ? 72074 Tuebingen ? Germany Phone +49 7071 29-74005 ? Mobile +49 176 20030066 heike.oberlin @uni-tuebingen.de http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/aoi/indologie/mitarbeiter/heike-oberlin-moser.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is anyone of you aware of any non-modern Indian or non-Indian solutions to the superiority problem that proceed along similar generalizable lines? Yours sincerely Harald Wiese University of Leipzig wiese at wifa.uni-leipzig.de From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Nov 15 17:14:53 2017 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 17 09:14:53 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Question Message-ID: Someone merely identified as "I AM VISIONARY TUNES" has uploaded over 500 digitized Sanskrit manuscripts on Archive.org. Does anyone know the source of these manuscripts? How does one cite one of these manuscripts? Madhav Deshpande Campbell, California -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at austin.utexas.edu Thu Nov 16 21:10:12 2017 From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 17 21:10:12 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Paper Message-ID: I wonder whether anyone would have access to the following article? Fussman, G. 1980. ?Le concept d?empire dans l?Inde ancienne.? In M. Duverger (ed.), Le concept d?empire, 379?96. Paris. Thanks. Patrick From wujastyk at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 04:26:41 2017 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 17 21:26:41 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These are from the library of Osmania University, Hyderabad. Philipp Maas was the first to identify this connection. They are described in the 1964 catalogue of R. Sharma, which is available at catalogues.indology.info, Biswas 0401. The MSS at archive.org are well photographed. They represent about a quarter of the MSS in the 1964 catalogue. Best, Dominik ? -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk ?,? Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity ?,? Department of History and Classics ?,? University of Alberta, Canada ?.? South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca? ?? On 15 November 2017 at 10:14, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Someone merely identified as "I AM VISIONARY TUNES" has uploaded over 500 > digitized Sanskrit manuscripts on Archive.org. Does anyone know the source > of these manuscripts? How does one cite one of these manuscripts? > > Madhav Deshpande > Campbell, California > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Fri Nov 17 04:43:39 2017 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 17 20:43:39 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Dominik, for pointing out the source of these manuscripts. Best, Madhav On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > These are from the library of Osmania University, Hyderabad. Philipp Maas > was the first to identify this connection. They are described in the 1964 > catalogue of R. Sharma, which is available at catalogues.indology.info, > Biswas 0401. The MSS at archive.org are well photographed. They > represent about a quarter of the MSS in the 1964 catalogue. > > Best, > Dominik > > ? > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > ?,? > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > ?,? > > Department of History and Classics > > ?,? > University of Alberta, Canada > ?.? > > South Asia at the U of A: > > ?sas.ualberta.ca? > ?? > > > On 15 November 2017 at 10:14, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Someone merely identified as "I AM VISIONARY TUNES" has uploaded over >> 500 digitized Sanskrit manuscripts on Archive.org. Does anyone know the >> source of these manuscripts? How does one cite one of these manuscripts? >> >> Madhav Deshpande >> Campbell, California >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com Fri Nov 17 11:16:43 2017 From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 17 11:16:43 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] On DharmaKriti Message-ID: <20171117111643.30038.qmail@f4mail-235-149.rediffmail.com> To All, Can anybody enlighten me on the probable time in History when DharmaKriti,the authour of 'Pramana Varttikka' and renowned Buddhsit philosopher existed? ALAKENDU DAS. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(1939?) the later editions are freely available everywhere, in which, around 200 pages were removed by his grandson. Tantrasiddhantaratnavali ??????????????????????? by Chinna swamy 1944 This book is freely available on internet but with poor quality scan and almost impossible to read. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at austin.utexas.edu Fri Nov 17 14:47:03 2017 From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 17 14:47:03 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Paper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0B1E556D-3963-48F1-8C2B-9C725992313A@austin.utexas.edu> Arlo: here it is. Patrick On Nov 17, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Arlo Griffiths > wrote: please do share any pdf you might receive; if you receive nothing, I'll chase down the article in Lyon or Paris. Arlo ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:10 PM To: Indology Subject: [INDOLOGY] Paper I wonder whether anyone would have access to the following article? Fussman, G. 1980. ?Le concept d?empire dans l?Inde ancienne.? In M. Duverger (ed.), Le concept d?empire, 379?96. Paris. Thanks. Patrick _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) INDOLOGY Info Page listinfo.indology.info INDOLOGY is an internet discussion group whose primary purpose is to provide a forum for discussion among professional scholars of classical Indian (South Asian ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Arlo ________________________________ From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:10 PM To: Indology Subject: [INDOLOGY] Paper I wonder whether anyone would have access to the following article? Fussman, G. 1980. ?Le concept d?empire dans l?Inde ancienne.? In M. Duverger (ed.), Le concept d?empire, 379?96. Paris. Thanks. Patrick _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) INDOLOGY Info Page listinfo.indology.info INDOLOGY is an internet discussion group whose primary purpose is to provide a forum for discussion among professional scholars of classical Indian (South Asian ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alex.watson at ashoka.edu.in Sat Nov 18 06:25:54 2017 From: alex.watson at ashoka.edu.in (Alex Watson) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 17 11:55:54 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Stories_within_stories_in_the_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata?= Message-ID: Dear All Any responses to the question below ? about whether any parts of the Mah?bh?rata imply a rereading or reevaluation of the Hidimbi/Hidimb? story ? would be gratefully received. It is from a Professor in the English department at Ashoka: Jonathan Gil Harris. "I am writing a book on Indian ?masala? adaptations of Shakespeare, and I am currently puzzling through the ways in which Shakespeare?s use of the device of the play-within-a-play ? particularly in The Taming of the Shrew ? resonates for many Indian readers with the Mahabharata?s nesting of stories-within-stories. I am particularly interested in how this device allows readers to shift perspective on a tale, and reread (or doubly read) a tale-within-a-tale or its framing tale. I am focusing for now on the episode in the Mahabharata (9th sub-parva of the Adi Parva) where Bhima meets and marries the rakshasa forest-dweller Hidimbi, a witch or ?chudail? in modern Hindi; her magic passes on to their son Ghatotkacha, who fights for the Pandavas. Reading the story at face-value, it might be interpreted simply as an illustration of how a potentially dangerous feminine threat is defused and how the magical powers associated with it are patriarchally appropriated. But how might the Mahabharata?s readers RE-read the story in light of the subsequent stories-within-stories? Is there anything else in the Mahabharata that allows us to retrospectively re-interpret Hidimbi, her dangerous magical powers, and Bhima?s/the Pandavas? appropriation of these? (I?m thinking here of parallels with the tale of Medea in Book 4 of Ovid?s Metamorphoses, where an interpretive metamorphosis is enabled by its tales-within-tales ? she is first presented as a dangerous, murderous black witch who submits in love to Jason, but she is subsequently seen more sympathetically as a woman wronged by a greedy man.)" -- Alex Watson Professor of Indian Philosophy Ashoka University *https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 09:45:54 2017 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 17 15:15:54 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Stories_within_stories_in_the_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: rAkshasI is not a witch, though the feature of having magical powers and being evil may appear common between the two. Do witches have male members of their family who are monstrous in size, power and attitude? If hiDimbA is a witch what is the witch-culture-equivalent of hiDimbAsura? On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear All > > Any responses to the question below ? about whether any parts of the > Mah?bh?rata imply a rereading or reevaluation of the Hidimbi/Hidimb? story > ? would be gratefully received. It is from a Professor in the English > department at Ashoka: Jonathan Gil Harris. > > "I am writing a book on Indian ?masala? adaptations of Shakespeare, and I > am currently puzzling through the ways in which Shakespeare?s use of the > device of the play-within-a-play ? particularly in The Taming of the Shrew > ? resonates for many Indian readers with the Mahabharata?s nesting of > stories-within-stories. I am particularly interested in how this device > allows readers to shift perspective on a tale, and reread (or doubly read) > a tale-within-a-tale or its framing tale. I am focusing for now on the > episode in the Mahabharata (9th sub-parva of the Adi Parva) where Bhima > meets and marries the rakshasa forest-dweller Hidimbi, a witch or ?chudail? > in modern Hindi; her magic passes on to their son Ghatotkacha, who fights > for the Pandavas. Reading the story at face-value, it might be interpreted > simply as an illustration of how a potentially dangerous feminine threat is > defused and how the magical powers associated with it are patriarchally > appropriated. But how might the Mahabharata?s readers RE-read the story in > light of the subsequent stories-within-stories? Is there anything else in > the Mahabharata that allows us to retrospectively re-interpret Hidimbi, her > dangerous magical powers, and Bhima?s/the Pandavas? appropriation of > these? (I?m thinking here of parallels with the tale of Medea in Book 4 of > Ovid?s Metamorphoses, where an interpretive metamorphosis is enabled by its > tales-within-tales ? she is first presented as a dangerous, murderous black > witch who submits in love to Jason, but she is subsequently seen more > sympathetically as a woman wronged by a greedy man.)" > > -- > Alex Watson > Professor of Indian Philosophy > Ashoka University > *https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson > * > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 10:05:38 2017 From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 17 15:35:38 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09Stories_within_stories_in_the_Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Reading the story at face-value, it might be interpreted simply as an illustration of how a potentially dangerous feminine threat is defused and how the magical powers associated with it are patriarchally appropriated. But the text shows that it is hiDimbA who falls in love with bhIma: ????????? ??????? ?? ??????????????????? | ??????? ???????? ????????????? ???? ||??|| ??? ?????? ???????? ??????????? ?????????? | ??????????? ??????????? ????? ?????? ??????? ||??|| ???? ????????? ???? ??????? ?????????????? | ??????????????????? ??? ????????????? ||??|| Bhima's response to her is ????? ??????? ???????? ????????????????? | ????????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ||??|| ?? ?? ??????????????????????????? ???????????? | ????? ? ??? ?????????????? ?? ??????? ||??|| Where is the 'potentially dangerous feminine threat' here ? When there is no threat, wherefrom comes the 'patriarchal appropriation' ? On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Nagaraj Paturi wrote: > rAkshasI is not a witch, though the feature of having magical powers and > being evil may appear common between the two. Do witches have male members > of their family who are monstrous in size, power and attitude? If hiDimbA > is a witch what is the witch-culture-equivalent of hiDimbAsura? > > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Alex Watson via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > >> Dear All >> >> Any responses to the question below ? about whether any parts of the >> Mah?bh?rata imply a rereading or reevaluation of the Hidimbi/Hidimb? story >> ? would be gratefully received. It is from a Professor in the English >> department at Ashoka: Jonathan Gil Harris. >> >> "I am writing a book on Indian ?masala? adaptations of Shakespeare, and I >> am currently puzzling through the ways in which Shakespeare?s use of the >> device of the play-within-a-play ? particularly in The Taming of the Shrew >> ? resonates for many Indian readers with the Mahabharata?s nesting of >> stories-within-stories. I am particularly interested in how this device >> allows readers to shift perspective on a tale, and reread (or doubly read) >> a tale-within-a-tale or its framing tale. I am focusing for now on the >> episode in the Mahabharata (9th sub-parva of the Adi Parva) where Bhima >> meets and marries the rakshasa forest-dweller Hidimbi, a witch or ?chudail? >> in modern Hindi; her magic passes on to their son Ghatotkacha, who fights >> for the Pandavas. Reading the story at face-value, it might be interpreted >> simply as an illustration of how a potentially dangerous feminine threat is >> defused and how the magical powers associated with it are patriarchally >> appropriated. But how might the Mahabharata?s readers RE-read the story in >> light of the subsequent stories-within-stories? Is there anything else in >> the Mahabharata that allows us to retrospectively re-interpret Hidimbi, her >> dangerous magical powers, and Bhima?s/the Pandavas? appropriation of >> these? (I?m thinking here of parallels with the tale of Medea in Book 4 of >> Ovid?s Metamorphoses, where an interpretive metamorphosis is enabled by its >> tales-within-tales ? she is first presented as a dangerous, murderous black >> witch who submits in love to Jason, but she is subsequently seen more >> sympathetically as a woman wronged by a greedy man.)" >> >> -- >> Alex Watson >> Professor of Indian Philosophy >> Ashoka University >> *https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson >> * >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > > > -- > Nagaraj Paturi > > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. > > > BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra > > BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala > > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies > > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, > > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) > > > > -- Nagaraj Paturi Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA. BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of Liberal Education, (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbalogh at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 16:35:22 2017 From: danbalogh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Balogh_D=C3=A1niel?=) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 17 17:35:22 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Kota Rajya ka Itihas by Mathuralal Sharma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3c6b101f-3f56-396b-dc17-3dbd9c39609f@gmail.com> Dear Members, does anyone on the list have access to a copy of Kota Rajya ka Itihas ???? ????? ?? ?????? by Mathuralal Sharma ???????? ?????? I believe the book was first published in or around 1939 (Vikram Samvat 1996), and there is a 2008 second edition published in Jodhpur. No library I have access to seems to have a copy. I would be delighted if a kindly soul coul look it up and scan a few pages for me (or just photograph them with a mobile phone). What I need is Sharma's transcript of the inscriptions at Charchoma ??????? Temple (???????? ??????), along with anything he has to say about these inscriptions. The location is Appendix 2 of volume 1. I'm afraid I do not have a more precise reference. Thank you, Daniel From piotrbalcerowicz1 at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 23:14:37 2017 From: piotrbalcerowicz1 at gmail.com (Piotr Balcerowicz) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 17 00:14:37 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] On DharmaKriti Message-ID: Dear Alakendu Das, Generally, Dharmak?rti is thought to flourish between 600-660, however I?d refer you to my paper ?On the Relative Chronology of Dharmak?rti and Samantabhadra,? *Journal of Indian Philosophy* 42 (2014) 1-47, available here: www.balcerowicz.eu/indology/balcerowicz2014b.pdf It provides (perhaps the most up-to-date) review of his dates and new dating based on additional, non-Buddhist references. Best regards, Piotr Balcerowicz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://balcerowicz.eu/ From: alakendu das To: Cc: Bcc: Date: 17 Nov 2017 11:16:43 -0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] On DharmaKriti To All, Can anybody enlighten me on the probable time in History when DharmaKriti,the authour of 'Pramana Varttikka' and renowned Buddhsit philosopher existed? 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ZDMG 100: > 621-37 > > Thanks, > Harry Spier > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) ??????????????????? Christophe Vielle Louvain-la-Neuve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Contributions to the Textual Criticism of the >> Kathopanisad." *ZDMG *100: >> >> 621-37 >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Harry Spier >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info >> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing >> committee) >> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or >> unsubscribe) >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emstern1948 at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 16:45:30 2017 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 17 11:45:30 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] request for pdf of journal article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <861920E9-575B-4008-9DC2-3D0CCE9E269D@gmail.com> I would like to thank Ulrich Timme Kragh for his ongoing efforts to locate this article and make a scan for me. If he succeeds and allows wider sharing,. I?ll offer the scan on line. Elliot >> >> From: INDOLOGY > on behalf of Elliot Stern via INDOLOGY > >> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:43 PM >> To: Indology Indology listserve >> Subject: [INDOLOGY] request for pdf of journal article >> >> I?m looking for a pdf of an article by Jan Sz. Otrebski in Lingua Posnaniensis 5. Manfred Mayrhofer mentions in Kurzgefasstes Etymologisches W?rterbuch des Altindischen, that Otrebski argued on page 174 against connection with Lithuanian spangus and Serbo-Croatian bangav. Unfortunately, I cannot trace the name of the article. The publication date was probably in the 1950s. >> >> Thank you all in advance. >> >> Elliot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What I need is Sharma's transcript of the inscriptions at Charchoma ??????? Temple (???????? ??????), along with anything he has to say about these inscriptions. The location is Appendix 2 of volume 1. I'm afraid I do not have a more precise reference. Thank you, Daniel Regards Ajit Gargeshwari ? ????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?? ? ????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????? ???????? ???????2.20?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 04:20:20 2017 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 17 21:20:20 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Metarules book reprinted Message-ID: I'm pleased to announce that my book *Metarules of P??inian Grammar* has appeared in a reprint edition with Motilal Banarsidass in Delhi . Two volumes bound as one. ISBN 978-81-208-3982-3. Rs. 1250. I am especially pleased that my book is published in India and will at last be available to readers there at an affordable price. Best, Dominik Wujastyk ? -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk ?,? Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity ?,? Department of History and Classics ?,? University of Alberta, Canada ?.? South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca? ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkapstei at uchicago.edu Mon Nov 20 11:09:00 2017 From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 17 11:09:00 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] (yet another) pdf search Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047C7EDC5@xm-mbx-06-prod> Dear friends, I know it's a long shot, but does anyone by any chance have pdf copies of Akira SAITO. 1993. ?A Study of Ak?ayamati (=??ntideva)?s Bodhisattvacary?vat?ra as Found in the Tibetan Manuscripts from Tun-huang. Report of the Grant-in-Aid for Scientific Research published by Miye University, Japan. Akira SAITO. 2000. ?A Study of the D?n-hu?ng Rescension of the Bodhisattvacary?vat?ra. Report of the Grant-in-Aid for Scientific Research published by Miye University, Japan. thanks in advance to the marvelous resource provided by Indology, Matthew Matthew Kapstein Directeur d'?tudes, Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies, The University of Chicago ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpo at austin.utexas.edu Mon Nov 20 12:56:48 2017 From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 17 12:56:48 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Metarules book reprinted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Congratulations, Dominik. On Nov 19, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY > wrote: I'm pleased to announce that my book Metarules of P??inian Grammar has appeared in a reprint edition with Motilal Banarsidass in Delhi. Two volumes bound as one. ISBN 978-81-208-3982-3. Rs. 1250. I am especially pleased that my book is published in India and will at last be available to readers there at an affordable price. Best, Dominik Wujastyk ? -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk ?,? Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity ?,? Department of History and Classics ?,? University of Alberta, Canada ?.? South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca? ?? _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rs. 1250. > > I am especially pleased that my book is published in India and will at > last be available to readers there at an affordable price. > > Best, > Dominik Wujastyk > > > ? > -- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk > ?,? > > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity > ?,? > > Department of History and Classics > > ?,? > University of Alberta, Canada > ?.? > > South Asia at the U of A: > > ?sas.ualberta.ca? > ?? > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) -- A N T O N I A R U P P E L The Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit Out Now: www.cambridge-sanskrit.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a web address: http://www.bhu.ac.in/kala/ginfo.htm. Elliot > On 21 Nov 2017, at 12:45, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > Would anyone happen to know of the appropriate contact(s) at either the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Vastu Sangahalaya (formerly Prince of Wales museum) or the Bharat Kala Bhavan museum at Banaras Hindu University, for researchers wishing to view items in the collection? In both cases, this would be in regard to viewing manuscripts in their collections. I've located the directories for the institutions, but would be grateful for any suggestion from those who have actually worked at either in the past. > > Thank you in advance for any suggestions, > > Tyler Williams > South Asian Languages and Civilizations > University of Chicago > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 19:47:33 2017 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 17 13:47:33 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Contacts at Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Vastu Sangahalaya and Bharat Kala Bhavan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, Elliot! Best, Tyler On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Elliot Stern wrote: > For Bharat Kala Bhavan, you may contact the director, Prof. Ajay Kumar > Singh. There is a web address: http://www.bhu.ac.in/kala/ginfo.htm. > > Elliot > > On 21 Nov 2017, at 12:45, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > Would anyone happen to know of the appropriate contact(s) at either > the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Vastu Sangahalaya (formerly Prince of Wales > museum) or the Bharat Kala Bhavan museum at Banaras Hindu University, for > researchers wishing to view items in the collection? In both cases, this > would be in regard to viewing manuscripts in their collections. I've > located the directories for the institutions, but would be grateful for any > suggestion from those who have actually worked at either in the past. > > Thank you in advance for any suggestions, > > Tyler Williams > South Asian Languages and Civilizations > University of Chicago > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wujastyk at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 01:28:00 2017 From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 17 18:28:00 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I managed to find the Biardeau article, along with one by Anantlal Thakur and another by van Buitenen in the same issue: 1. Anantlal Thakur, "Studies on Vacaspati Misra (1)", *Mitra-v??? *17/V?caspati vi?e???ka (1960), pp. 132?136. 2. Madeleine Biardeau, "V?caspati Mi?ra a Syncretist?", *Mitra-v??? *17/V?caspati vi?e???ka (1960), pp. 137?142. 3. J. A. B. Van Buitenen, "Vacaspati's Critique of the Bhedabheda Doctrine of Bhaskar", *Mitra-v??? *17/V?caspati vi?e???ka (1960), pp. 143?151. I've put the PDF of these papers here: - https://archive.org/details/MitraVani1960 The issue had many other interesting articles: see the table of contents. Best, Dominik ? -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk ?,? Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity ?,? Department of History and Classics ?,? University of Alberta, Canada ?.? South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca? ?? On 2 November 2017 at 01:48, Dimitry Shevchenko via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear Indologists, > > > Does anyone have a pdf of Madeleine Biardeau's article "Vacaspati Misra: > a syncretist?" It has been published in Mitravani-Vacaspati Visesanka, > pp. 137-142. Date of publication unknown... > > > Your help will be much appreciated! > > Dimitry Shevchenko > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 03:05:01 2017 From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 17 21:05:01 -0600 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Devanagari and OS 10.12.6 Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Are there any Apple users among us who have experienced problems inputing Devanagari while using the Chrome web browser since installing OS 10.12.6 (Sierra)? The problem seems to be limited to typing conjuncts in this one application (but I'd be curious to hear if others are encountering other problems). Chrome automatically sets to uft-8 encoding, so the problem is somewhere else. Thanks, Tyler Williams South Asian Languages and Civilizations University of Chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Wed Nov 22 03:19:49 2017 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 17 19:19:49 -0800 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Devanagari and OS 10.12.6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Tyler, Yes, I have encountered the same problem with DevanagariQWERTY keyboard with the new Apple OS. Often I find that typing the "f" key twice one can get the conjunct. This is a problem and I hope the next update will take care of it. We need to inform Google about this. Madhav On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Tyler Williams via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Are there any Apple users among us who have experienced problems inputing > Devanagari while using the Chrome web browser since installing OS 10.12.6 > (Sierra)? The problem seems to be limited to typing conjuncts in this one > application (but I'd be curious to hear if others are encountering other > problems). Chrome automatically sets to uft-8 encoding, so the problem is > somewhere else. > > Thanks, > > Tyler Williams > South Asian Languages and Civilizations > University of Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emstern1948 at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 06:26:53 2017 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 17 01:26:53 -0500 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you, Dominik, for finding and sharing this! Elliot > On 21 Nov 2017, at 20:28, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY wrote: > > I managed to find the Biardeau article, along with one by Anantlal Thakur and another by van Buitenen in the same issue: > > 1. Anantlal Thakur, "Studies on Vacaspati Misra (1)", Mitra-v??? 17/V?caspati vi?e???ka (1960), pp. 132?136. > > 2. Madeleine Biardeau, "V?caspati Mi?ra a Syncretist?", Mitra-v??? 17/V?caspati vi?e???ka (1960), pp. 137?142. > > 3. J. A. B. Van Buitenen, "Vacaspati's Critique of the Bhedabheda Doctrine of Bhaskar", Mitra-v??? 17/V?caspati vi?e???ka (1960), pp. 143?151. > > I've put the PDF of these papers here: > https://archive.org/details/MitraVani1960 > > The issue had many other interesting articles: see the table of contents. > > Best, > Dominik > > ?-- > Professor Dominik Wujastyk ?,? > Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity?,? > Department of History and Classics ?,? > University of Alberta, Canada?.? > South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca? ?? > > > On 2 November 2017 at 01:48, Dimitry Shevchenko via INDOLOGY > wrote: > Dear Indologists, > > > Does anyone have a pdf of Madeleine Biardeau's article "Vacaspati Misra: a syncretist?" It has been published in Mitravani-Vacaspati Visesanka, pp. 137-142. Date of publication unknown... > > > > Your help will be much appreciated! > > Dimitry Shevchenko > > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dshevchenko at unm.edu Wed Nov 22 07:25:31 2017 From: dshevchenko at unm.edu (Dimitry Shevchenko) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 17 07:25:31 +0000 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is perfect, Dominic! I didn't expect to find it... Thank you so much! Best wishes, Dimitry ________________________________ From: Dominik Wujastyk Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 1:28:00 AM To: Dimitry Shevchenko Cc: indology Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] PDF search I managed to find the Biardeau article, along with one by Anantlal Thakur and another by van Buitenen in the same issue: 1. Anantlal Thakur, "Studies on Vacaspati Misra (1)", Mitra-v??? 17/V?caspati vi?e???ka (1960), pp. 132?136. 2. Madeleine Biardeau, "V?caspati Mi?ra a Syncretist?", Mitra-v??? 17/V?caspati vi?e???ka (1960), pp. 137?142. 3. J. A. B. Van Buitenen, "Vacaspati's Critique of the Bhedabheda Doctrine of Bhaskar", Mitra-v??? 17/V?caspati vi?e???ka (1960), pp. 143?151. I've put the PDF of these papers here: * https://archive.org/details/MitraVani1960 The issue had many other interesting articles: see the table of contents. Best, Dominik ? -- Professor Dominik Wujastyk ?,? Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity ?,? Department of History and Classics ?,? University of Alberta, Canada ?.? South Asia at the U of A: ?sas.ualberta.ca? ?? On 2 November 2017 at 01:48, Dimitry Shevchenko via INDOLOGY > wrote: Dear Indologists, Does anyone have a pdf of Madeleine Biardeau's article "Vacaspati Misra: a syncretist?" It has been published in Mitravani-Vacaspati Visesanka, pp. 137-142. Date of publication unknown... Your help will be much appreciated! Dimitry Shevchenko _______________________________________________ INDOLOGY mailing list INDOLOGY at list.indology.info indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Jacob Jacob Schmidt-Madsen PhD Student (Indology) Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies University of Copenhagen Denmark From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 16:13:50 2017 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 17 21:43:50 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Otto_von_B=C3=B6htlingk's_Panini_Grammar?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear all I am searching for(if any ) an edition of English version of Otto von B?htlingk's Panini Grammar. I am not able to find the pdf on internet. Any pointers will be appreciated. Regards Krishna Prasad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emstern1948 at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 16:21:05 2017 From: emstern1948 at gmail.com (Elliot Stern) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 17 11:21:05 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Otto_von_B=C3=B6htlingk's_Panini_Grammar?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is available at archive.org (https://archive.org/details/grammatikhrsgb00paniuoft). Please let me know if you cannot access it. I can upload it to Dropbox for you. Elliot > On 23 Nov 2017, at 11:13, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Otto von B?htlingk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 16:26:17 2017 From: krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com (Krishnaprasad G) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 17 21:56:17 +0530 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Otto_von_B=C3=B6htlingk's_Panini_Grammar?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks prof Rafal Kleczek and prof Elliot Stern for quick reply. Is there also English translation of the same book On 23-Nov-2017 9:51 PM, "Elliot Stern" wrote: > It is available at archive.org (https://archive.org/details/ > grammatikhrsgb00paniuoft). Please let me know if you cannot access it. I > can upload it to Dropbox for you. > > Elliot > > > On 23 Nov 2017, at 11:13, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < > indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > > Otto von B?htlingk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmdesh at umich.edu Thu Nov 23 16:52:52 2017 From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 17 08:52:52 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Otto_von_B=C3=B6htlingk's_Panini_Grammar?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am not aware of an English translation of Bohtlingk's P??ini. If such a thing exists, I would also like to know. Madhav Deshpande Campbell, California On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Thanks prof Rafal Kleczek and prof Elliot Stern for quick reply. Is there > also English translation of the same book > > On 23-Nov-2017 9:51 PM, "Elliot Stern" wrote: > >> It is available at archive.org (https://archive.org/details/g >> rammatikhrsgb00paniuoft). Please let me know if you cannot access it. I >> can upload it to Dropbox for you. >> >> Elliot >> >> >> On 23 Nov 2017, at 11:13, Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY < >> indology at list.indology.info> wrote: >> >> Otto von B?htlingk >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vbd203 at googlemail.com Thu Nov 23 20:51:16 2017 From: vbd203 at googlemail.com (victor davella) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 17 21:51:16 +0100 Subject: [INDOLOGY] Annals of Oriental Research of Madras Message-ID: Dear All, I was wondering whether someone might have a PDF of the first volume of the Annals of Oriental Research of the University of Madras, 1936-37 (not to be confused with the Journal of Oriental Research Madras). 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Elliot > On 23 Nov 2017, at 16:37, Ryan Damron via INDOLOGY wrote: > > Dear all, > > I would be grateful if someone could email me or point me in the direction of a pdf of Emil Forchhammer?s A Report on the History of Arakan in Three Parts. > > Many thanks in advance, > > Ryan > > Ryan Damron > Doctoral Candidate > Department of South and Southeast Asian Studies > University of California, Berkeley > 7233 Dwinelle Hall > Berkeley, CA 94720-2520 > rdamron at berkeley.edu > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or unsubscribe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Journal of ?) https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.554025 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.490168 vol. 2, 1937-38 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.554026 vol. 3, 1938-39 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.554027 vol. 4, 1939-40 https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.91668/2015.91668.Annals-Of-Oriental-Research-vol51940-1941 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.91668 vol. 5, 1940-41 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.91670 vol. 6, 1941-42 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.96779 voL. 7, 1942-1943 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.97583 vol. 13, 1957 other vols : https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000534644 Le 23 nov. 2017 ? 21:51, victor davella via INDOLOGY a ?crit : > Dear All, > > I was wondering whether someone might have a PDF of the first volume of the Annals of Oriental Research of the University of Madras, 1936-37 (not to be confused with the Journal of Oriental Research Madras). 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Although there is much evidence for both over the longue dur?e, the ways in which these dispensations interacted, and have been documented, has been largely unexplored despite developed theoretical literatures.?Long panel abstract This panel will focus on the relationship between highland societies in the upland areas of South Asia and lowland polities that have been normally centred on royal sites, agro-urban conurbations and networks of trade and pilgrimage. Although there is much evidence for both over the longue dur?e, the ways in which these dispensations have interacted and constituted each other has been largely unexplored despite developed theoretical literature in such fields as centre-periphery discourse, highland-lowland archaeology, indigenous identities, conflict, property relations and subsistence systems.?The convenors of the panel seek to explore new modes of working and thinking about highland and lowland cultures in several ways. Firstly, presentations will be sought that reassess analogous and connected riverine systems and their hinterlands. Secondly, presentations will be encouraged that undertake a re-examination of monuments, sites and archaeological documentation against new understandings of human agency, landscape history, technology and the movement of people, goods and belief systems. Thirdly, presentations will be encouraged that reflect on documentation and historiography, especially library and museum collections of highland material. The convenors are keen to explore how objects and documentation data, removed from their contexts by methods of collection and regimes of cataloguing, can be re-contextualized though interdisciplinary forms of analysis embracing GIS, anthropology and the sociology of landscape.?The 25th European Conference on South Asian Studies will be held at the ?cole des Hautes ?tudes en Sciences Sociales in Paris from 24th to 27th July 2018. The deadline to submit an abstract is 30th November 2017. Please find the call for papers and more information on the conference on how to submit your abstract here:?https://www.ecsas2018.org/call-for-papers/ Please let me know if have any query. Many thanks. Best regards, Daniela Dr. Daniela De SimoneTabor Foundation Research Assistant: South Asian Archaeological Collections?Department of AsiaT (UK +44) 020 7323 8232ddesimone at britishmuseum.org??The British MuseumGreat Russell Street, London WC1B 3DGwww.britishmuseum.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Abstracts for presentations should be between 200-300 words, and include a filename that begins with the presenter's last name and closes with the name of our organization and the year of the conference, e.g., 'Berger - SACP 2018'. The presenter's name, institutional affiliation, and email address must also be stated in the text of the abstract itself. Panel proposals should include the title and a brief description of the panel, as well as the names, affiliations, and email addresses of the participants. Please also provide the titles of each participant's presentation.The deadline for submission is January 31, 2018. Notice of acceptance of proposals will be sent to your e-mail address by the beginning of March, with instructions for how to register and submit the US$160 conference registration fee. For further details, see the conference website: https://sites.google.com/site/50thsacpconferencekrakow2018/ To encourage student participation, the SACP has once again set up Graduate Student Essay Contest Awards for this conference. Student Essay Contest Prizes are: US$1,000 for First prize, US$750 for Second prize, and US$500 for Third prize. The awards are given in order to assist with the travel and accommodation expenses for those winners who attend and present their work at the 2018 SACP conference only. Graduate students who wish their papers to be considered for these prizes must submit a complete essay of no more than 10 pages (or 4,000 words) and a 300 word abstract to the above email address (sacp2018 at gmail.com). Regards, Jaroslaw Zapart Centre for Comparative Studies of Civilisations, Jagiellonian University, Krakow, Poland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is a totally incomplete edition. Sanskrit manuscripts from Nepal consist generally of more than two hundreds folios, and the Gilgit manuscript, the Chinese translations (No 639 consists of 10 scrolls) and a Tibetan one (Pk. No. 0795, mdo sna tshogs, thu 1b1-185a8 ) are all "voluminous". I wonder whether there is any project of making a new edition of this very old and important Mah?y?na scripture --- I mean a critical edition of the whole text but not of one or two chapters done by such as Regamey and Skilton. Also, in this connection, I announce that our institute (IRIAB) is going to publish a colour-facsimile edition of the Gilgit manuscript of this text, ed. by N. Kudo et al., in the near future. With best regards, Seishi Karashima 2017-11-28 17:17 GMT+09:00 Seishi Karashima : > Dear colleagues, > > I am seeking a PDF copy of the following book: > > > ??????????????? = Sam?dhir?ja-S?tram for the first time edited by Rai > ?arat Chandra D?s and Harimohan Vidy?bh?shan?Buddhist Texts of the Northern > and Southern Schools, Series no. 4?The Buddhist Text Society of India, 1896. > > > With thanks for your help in advance, > > Seishi Karashima > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnreigle at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 16:25:28 2017 From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 17 09:25:28 -0700 Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF search In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear all, I had already scanned my photocopy of this text and uploaded it when I saw that Jonathan Silk had already supplied it to Seishi Karashima. So I will go ahead and post the link anyway, just in case someone else might need this or other texts at this link: http://prajnaquest.fr/blog/sanskrit-texts-3/sanskrit-buddhist-texts/ Please note that my scan is of the 1940 reprint, presumably a photographic reprint of the 1896 edition. In my days of trips in search of printed Sanskrit Buddhist texts I did not have access to the Harvard University Library, where the only copy of the 1896 edition was held according to M. B. Emeneau's 1935 *Union List of Printed Indic Texts and Translations in American Libraries*. I found the 1940 reprint at the University of Washington library and photocopied it there. Regarding the *Sam?dhir?ja-s?tra*, the 1896 edition says on the title page, "Fasc. 1," according to Emeneau's listing. This is not on the title page of the 1940 reprint. This edition has fifteen chapters and part of the sixteenth. According to Nalinaksha Dutt in his 1941-1954 *Gilgit Manuscripts* edition of the *Sam?dhir?ja-s?tra*, these are actually chapters 1-11 and 16-18. Constantin Regamey (1938) had edited chapters 8, 19, and 22. Seiren Matsunami edited chapters 1-7 in *Taisho Daigaku Kenkyukiyo*, 1975. Christoph Cuppers edited chapter 9 (Stuttgart, 1990). Andrew Skilton edited extensive fragments from the Schoyen Collection in *Buddhist Manuscripts*, vol. 2, 2002 (pp. 97-177). These are the partial editions that I know of. If anyone knows of others, I would be glad to learn of them. I do not know of anyone working on a critical edition of the whole text. It is wonderful that a facsimile edition of the Gilgit manuscript of it will be published in the near future. By the way, if anyone wants unbound copies of our 1984 Canon Publications reprint of Regamey's *Three Chapters from the **Sam?dhir?jas?tra*, I would be glad to send them. I suppose that soon I will have to just recycle these as paper. Best regards, David Reigle Colorado, U.S.A. On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Seishi Karashima via INDOLOGY < indology at list.indology.info> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I thank Prof. Jonathan Silk for sending me a PDF file of the 72 paged > edition of the Sam?dhir?ja-s?tra. On receiving the file, I realised that I > myself possess a paper copy of it. It is a totally incomplete edition. > > Sanskrit manuscripts from Nepal consist generally of more than two > hundreds folios, and the Gilgit manuscript, the Chinese translations (No > 639 consists of 10 scrolls) and a Tibetan one (Pk. No. 0795, mdo sna > tshogs, thu 1b1-185a8 ) are all "voluminous". > > I wonder whether there is any project of making a new edition of this very > old and important Mah?y?na scripture --- I mean a critical edition of the > whole text but not of one or two chapters done by such as Regamey and > Skilton. > > Also, in this connection, I announce that our institute (IRIAB) is going > to publish a colour-facsimile edition of the Gilgit manuscript of this > text, ed. by N. Kudo et al., in the near future. > > With best regards, > > Seishi Karashima > > 2017-11-28 17:17 GMT+09:00 Seishi Karashima : > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I am seeking a PDF copy of the following book: >> >> >> ??????????????? = Sam?dhir?ja-S?tram for the first time edited by Rai >> ?arat Chandra D?s and Harimohan Vidy?bh?shan?Buddhist Texts of the Northern >> and Southern Schools, Series no. 4?The Buddhist Text Society of India, 1896. >> >> >> With thanks for your help in advance, >> >> Seishi Karashima >> > > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing > committee) > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or > unsubscribe) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best wishes, Shyam ShyamRanganathan MA,MA, PhD Department of Philosophy York University, Toronto Announcement: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The new Bloomsbury Encyclopedia of Philosophers is seeking scholars to advise us on the inclusion of 150 philosophical thinkers who lived and worked in the India subcontinent between 1600 and 2000. http://www.bloomsbury.com/bloomsbury-encyclopedia-of-philosophers/117 We hope to complete this list by March 2018. During 2018, we will be recruiting contributors to write entries about these 150 thinkers, and these entries will be collected during 2019. Contributors are paid 40 pounds. To communicate your suggestions of thinkers to include, contact: John Shook, PhD, Philosophy, University at Buffalo jrshook at buffalo.edu ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: