Re: [INDOLOGY] {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Question regarding Ācāryaśāpa

[Nagaraj Paturi]

1. Points in such books are to be divided into two categories: observations
and explanations.

2. Explanations can be again divided into two kinds: 1. substantiated from
previous sources 2. Author's own conjectures, guesswork  etc.

3. These observations seem to be focused on /limited to social
relationships among Brahmins of different parts of India.

3. "Gurjaras are included among Drāviḍas" - observation; one would ask for
corraboration from other sources since this is not 'established' /well
known/popular.

4.  other Drāviḍas do not have any educational, ritual or marriage
relations with them- observation; gujarati (garjara = gujarati? or western
Indian?)-south Indian social relationships were not very intense, probably.

5. Intrigue of the author making him for look for explanations: 'why no
social relationships of south Indians with Gurjaras though they are
co-draaviDas?'

6. Gaurjaras are similar to gauDdes'a Brahmins or Kerala Brahmins in having
'anācāra'-observation used as explanation for the above observation' . '
anācāra' is not immoral but violative of (Brahmin) religious code. .'anācāra is
perception.

7. Ācāryaśāpa  is the explanation probably invented by those sharing the
perception of 'anācāra.'

8. Fish-eating among Bengali Brahmins,  marital relationships of Kerala
Brahmins as part of the matrilinear system of certain non-Brahmin
communities could be the perceived  'anācāra.'



On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:27 PM, K S Kannan <ks.kannan.2000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Issues, perhaps, of *kali-varjya *practices?
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>      In one of the curious passages of the Vedavicāra (written by
>> Śāmaśāstrī Draviḍa Dvivedī) that I am editing, the author says that though
>> the Gurjara's are included among Drāviḍas, other Drāviḍas do not have any
>> educational, ritual or marriage relations with them, because like the
>> Gauḍadeśa, there is too much anācāra "immoral behavior" among them, and
>> like the Brahmins of Kerala, they were cursed by an Ācārya, and therefore,
>> other Drāviḍas do not have any relations with them.  Here is the passage
>> from the text:
>>
>> यथा गुर्जराणां द्राविडान्तःपातिनामपि द्राविडैः सह भोजनादिसंव्यवहारादिकं
>> नास्ति*, *तथैवाध्ययनादिकमपीति ज्ञेयम् । कुतो गुर्जराणां संव्यवहाराभाव इति
>> चेदुच्यते । गौडदेशवद्गुर्जरदेशेऽप्यनाचारबाहुल्यात् तेषामा
>> चार्यशापदग्धत्वात्केरलदेशीयब्राह्मणादिवत्संव्यवहाराभाव इति संक्षेपः ।
>>
>> If anyone has a clue as to what this Ācāryaśāpa refers to, it would help
>> me make better sense of this passage.  Similarly, it is not clear what
>> anācārabāhulya he is referring to in the Gauḍa/Gurjara and Kerala regions.
>> Any suggestions will be helpful.  Best,
>>
>> Madhav Deshpande
>> Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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