Re: [INDOLOGY] {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Re: a question regarding the usage of -gotra versus -sagotra

[Madhav Deshpande]

To add more of a grammatical note, a term like viśvāmitra-gotra in Sanskrit
can have two possible meanings: a) the gotra of viśvāmitra (a Tatpuruṣa
compound), and b) one whose gotra is viśvāmitra (a Bahuvrīhi compound).  On
the other hand, the term viśvāmitra-sagotra is more clear in having only
one meaning: "one who has the same gotra as viśvāmitra."  This may be the
reason why the passages quoted by Professor Korada prescribe the use of
-sagotra expression.  In my family rituals, the declaration included
something like aham bhāradvāja-gotrotpannaḥ ... "I, born in the
bhāradvāja-gotra."  In this usage, the term bhāradvāja-gotra is used just
to refer to the gotra of bhāradvāja, and not in the sense of "one with the
bhāradvāja-gotra."   I don't remember the usage of bhāradvāja-sagotra in my
family.  In any case, thanks for all the suggestions, and I have
communicated these to my friend, who posed the original question to me.

Madhav Deshpande
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Thank you Professor Korada for the references that indicate that -sagotra
> should be added to all Gotra references.  The variation in actual usage may
> simply be due to people not following this rule.
>
> Madhav Deshpande
> Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Krishnaprasad G <
> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> all gotras should be added sa
>> bhaardhvaaj sagotra etc.
>>  Charudeva Shastry uses it every where. This rule is said in Grhya sutra
>> etc, I don't remember right now. I will send reference later. But every
>> gotra is added sa and not only few.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>>      I am forwarding a question from a friend of mine, for which I do
>>> not have a clear answer:
>>>
>>> Quote:
>>>
>>> Dear Madhav,
>>>
>>> I thought you might have a quick answer to this question. When
>>> mentioning gotras, one sees "Visvāmitra gotra", but also "Ātreyasa gotra",
>>> and "Kāsyapasa gotra".
>>>
>>> Since the ṛṣis in the two latter cases are Atri and Kasyapa, it would
>>> appear that the corresponding gotras should be "Ātreya" and "Kāsyapa",
>>> without the "sa" suffix. (Indeed, one also sees "Ātreya gotra", and
>>> "Kāsyapa gotra".)
>>>
>>> Is it the case that the correct terms are "Ātreya sagotra", and "Kāsyapa
>>> sagotra", and the conventional usage is simply an incorrect parsing?
>>> However, this would require "Visvāmitra sagotra", which one does not see.
>>>
>>> Or is there something more to it than that?
>>>
>>> Unquote
>>>
>>> Why would someone be referred to as Viśvāmitra-gotra, but others as
>>> Ātreya-sagotra or Kāśyapa-sagotra?  I will appreciate a clarification.
>>>
>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>> Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>
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