[INDOLOGY] bhagwa dvaj

Mon Aug 7 05:54:22 UTC 2017

Patrick,

Why do you give credence to all such fantasies and spend serious research
time to work on them?

All beliefs that someone, some religion, some nation, some ideology can
rule the whole world are fantasies.

""The Bhagwa flag has existed and guided the Vedic society right from its
origin. It has inspired and has been honored by the Vedic Saints and
heroes. In ancient times, the warriors used to put on saffron robes and go
to the battlefield. If they are victorious, they will rule and if
vanquished, they might die on the battlefield and thus go to heaven--such
was the motivating force for the heroes.""

is a fantasy about the past.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM, patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> I'm conducting a geneological study of the *bhagwa dvaj *flag, and would
> appreciate any assistance in this matter.
>
> I'm reading about the significance of the flag. As I'm sure many of you
> are aware, it is the flag of choice for the RSS. They consider it their
> 'guru', and have only recently hoisted the tricolour flag at their Nagpur
> headquarters, after several decades of saying they never would. However, it
> also happens to sit upon just about every Hindu temple I've ever seen. I'm
> curious, then, if this could mean that every temple/ashram supports the
> RSS, or that the RSS has simply co-opted the flag, and interpolated their
> own political imagination onto the symbology inherent in the flag.
> Either way, it is conveniently confusing, as it happens to also represent
> sanātana dharma, which is equated with Hinduism. But, then, I would argue
> that sanātana dharmic ideology rests at the core of the hindutva project.
> Therefore, I'm quite confused about the semiotic entanglement of this one
> sign, and its multiple semantic valencies.
>
> I ask these questions because I figure that, if I have trouble
> disambiguating these things, what is the chance of success for the recently
> minted 200-hr yoga teacher graduate, or casual yoga practitioner?
>
> I'm writing
> <http://www.politicaltheology.com/blog/yoga-practitioners-and-the-unspoken-global-aspirations-of-indian-ethno-nationalism-patrick-mccartney/> these
> days about the entanglement of global yoga practitioners and their
> potentially unwitting, tacit support of hindutva ideology. As an example,
> Stephen Knapp, a prominent ISKCON-wallah, and head of the VFA (vedic
> friends association), whom some of you might be familiar with,
> controversially suggests the following:
> <http://www.stephen-knapp.com/basic_points_about_vedic_culture_hinduism.htm>
> "The Bhagwa flag has existed and guided the Vedic society right from its
> origin. It has inspired and has been honored by the Vedic Saints and
> heroes. In ancient times, the warriors used to put on saffron robes and go
> to the battlefield. If they are victorious, they will rule and if
> vanquished, they might die on the battlefield and thus go to heaven--such
> was the motivating force for the heroes."
>
> I find this appeal to a (martial) tradition somewhat perplexing. Aside
> from what a lot of Knapp says, this is possibly less controversial;
> however, for the uncritical mind, who is expected to unquestionably accept
> the truth claims of certain gurus, this type of triction (truth+fiction),
> is a prime example of how global yoga practitioners potentially come to
> unknowingly support a hindutva world view, which, as Ramdev explains,
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7k42cg2W8> seeks to create a hindutva
> alternative to an ISIS caliphate. This, by the way, is his solution. By
> creating a global, Vedic theocratic state we can apparently stop a global
> Salafist caliphate from succeeding...
>
> Knapp has not responded to my question regarding the textual, historical
> or archaeological source of his claims. I'm wondering, then, if anyone is
> able to point me towards the earliest mention, perhaps, of the bhagwa dvaj,
> anywhere, in a primary, or secondary, text.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Patrick McCartney, PhD
> Fellow
> School of Culture, History & Language
> College of the Asia-Pacific
> The Australian National University
> Canberra, Australia, 0200
>
>
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>
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Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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