[INDOLOGY] question about mixed oral/manuscript transmission

Wed Apr 12 12:43:40 UTC 2017

One distinction that is important here is the distinction between dual
transmission of a text and the same (dual transmission) of a narrative or a
narrative system made up of sub-narratives. In the former, the comparison
can be made between the actual words of the text in the two versions.  The
questioner uses the phrase ' texts transmitted'. But he also focuses on '
the displacement of episodes ' which pertains to the latter among the above
two modes of transmission, i.e., dual transmission of a narrative or a
narrative system made up of sub-narratives.

PalnaaTi Veeracharitramu, Naishadham/Nalacharitramu,
Saarangadharacharitramu etc. belong to the dual transmission of a narrative
or a narrative system made up of sub-narratives and not to dual
transmission of a text .

But they seem to be relevant here because the question seems to be focused
on displacement of episodes etc.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The list is bigger.
>
> The narrative in Sriharsha's Naishadha Kavya has several Telugu folk oral
> epic (performance and) textual versions with the name of
> Naladamayantikatha.
>
> Apart from the profoundly scholarly (naarikeLapaaka ) Epic poetic
> translation by Srinathudu ( the author of Palnati Veeracharitramu ) of
> Sanskrit Naishadham, there is a Desi (folkish) translation of the same by
> Raghunathanayakudu.
>
> Saarangadharacharitramu is another such narrative popular in the folk oral
> epic narrative repertoire, while having classical style epic poetic forms
> and verse-theater forms of modern times.
>
> There are more.
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:48 PM, George Hart via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> One might also mention the Palnāṭi Vīracaritra of Śrīnātha, 15th century.
>> This is a written Telugu version of an oral epic studied by Gene Roghair in
>> his important book *The Epic of Palnadu: A Study and Translation of
>> Palnati Virula Katha, A Telugu Oral Tradition from Andhra Pradesh, India*.
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Do you have the reference of an article on the subject, or do you have
>> a book that talks about it?
>>
>> ---- He is asking for articles only.
>>
>> >Is there in the Indian tradition (Vedic or epic, for example) texts
>> transmitted on the one hand in a written form (copies of manuscript in
>> manuscript), on the other hand Without written support (a scribe not
>> writing a text that he knows by heart)?
>>
>> ---- Thus he is asking for examples in Vedic epic texts too.
>>
>> This dual transmission has been there for all the traditional orally
>> transmitted texts of Vedas and Veda-related Shastras.
>>
>> Prof. Blackburn's focus in his villuppāṭṭu analysis, particularly on the
>> orality and literacy aspects, is on the influence of the written text on
>> the oral performance, particularly on the 'control' of the written text on
>> the oral performance of villuppāṭṭu.
>>
>> The conventional idea in modern studies that non-Sanskrit regional
>> language orally transmitted, particularly 'folk' texts did not have their
>> parallel written versions. Right from the time of study of villuppāṭṭu by
>> Prof. Blackburn, parallel written transmission of 'folk' 'oral' texts in
>> regional Indian languages is being paid attention to.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:43 PM, George Hart via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you might find Stuart Blackburn’s book, *Singing of Birth and
>>> Death: Texts in Performance*, quite helpful. To look in Sanskrit for
>>> this sort of material is not likely to be productive. George Hart
>>>
>>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:54 AM, Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> Colleagues,
>>>
>>> My friend Henri Chambert-Loir, specialist of classical Malay literature,
>>> who is currently working again on the Sulalat al-Salatin (a.k.a. Sejarah
>>> Melayu, or 'Malay Annals'), has asked me a question that I would like to
>>> relay to the learned assembly:
>>>
>>> ------------
>>> Ma question : pour comparaison avec le Sejarah Melayu, existe-t-il dans
>>> la tradition indienne (vedique ou epique p.ex.) des textes qui se sont
>>> transmis d’une part de facon ecrite (copies de manuscrit en manuscrit),
>>> d’autre part sans support ecrit (un scribe mettant pas ecrit un texte qu’il
>>> connait par coeur) ? Je pense que cela s’est produit pour le SM : certaines
>>> variantes (ex. le deplacement d’episodes) ne peuvent s’expliquer que par un
>>> stade de memoire. As-tu la reference d’un article sur le sujet, ou
>>> possedes-tu un livre qui en parle ?
>>> ------------
>>>
>>> Would anyone have potentially useful philogogical comparanda in mind,
>>> and references (preferably with pdfs) to share that I could transmit to
>>> Prof. Chambert-Loir?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Arlo Griffiths
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
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> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>

-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

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