[INDOLOGY] Information sought regarding Telugu "Saccra" (cakra)

Wed Oct 12 09:36:36 UTC 2016

Patrick, I know you wanted to thank me, not Nataraj. You are welcome.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:59 PM, patrick mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Once again Nataraj, thank you for helping me out.
>
> On 12 Oct 2016 7:48 PM, "Nagaraj Paturi" <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Patrick,
>>
>> There are books called Bija (Beeja) Nighantus or Bijakshara Nighantus
>> Maatrikaa Nighantus etc. which provide such 'meanings' for all the
>> 'letters' of the Sanskrit VaarNa maala.
>>
>> Sample discussion may be found here
>> <http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwjZ482U9tTPAhWKMo8KHX9lCKsQFggpMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvixra.org%2Fpdf%2F1507.0199v1.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF7aoxf_Hw11DZqVvlxAQRofVkOfQ&sig2=rEMqiFZhaxqVC4bXTvPPGw>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:52 AM, patrick mccartney <
>> psdmccartney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of chakras and letters, on pp 705-707 of Grierson's article on
>>> the Sharada script https://archive.org/details/244194891OnTheSharadaAlph
>>> abetJournalOfTheRoyalAsiaticSociety171916SirGeorgeGriersonKCIEMRAS
>>> is an explanation of the metaphysics of the alphabet. Unfortunately,
>>> there is only a discussion of the vowels and not the consonants, etc. It
>>> seems that the file on archive is not complete. Even though the title page
>>> says the last page is 708, it does seem to have an abrupt ending.
>>>
>>>
>>> But
>>>
>>> On p 705 the following book is mentioned http://www.worldcat.
>>> org/title/shiva-sutra-vimarsini-of-ksemaraja/oclc/21777974 - I'm
>>> guessing this is the possible source for Grierson's discussion on the
>>> alphabet. Unfortunately, the closest copy to me is about 5000 miles away.
>>> Archive.org has two other books by the author, Iyengar,  but not this one.
>>> https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Srini
>>> vasa+Iyengar%2C+P.+T.%2C+1863-1931%22
>>>
>>>  Might you have a .pdf copy of this book?
>>> The Shiva-sutra-vimarsinī of Ksemaraja (1912) by Iyengar
>>>
>>>
>>>  I'd appreciate it if anyone might be able to help me find similar
>>> discussions/information on the rest of the alphabet? If they are mentioned
>>> in Ksemaraja's work, does anyone know exactly where? I had a quick look in
>>> the śaktopāya section.
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 7:26 AM, <jacob at fabularasa.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Nagaraj,
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for your reading of the yantra, and for the confirmation
>>>> that it is indeed a yantra (though I would still be curious to know if
>>>> cakra is sometimes used with the same meaning). I am sure the museum will
>>>> be most appreciate of the information.
>>>>
>>>> Also thanks to Arlo Griffiths for the references. A. A. Ślączka's
>>>> original doctoral thesis can be downloaded from Leiden University here:
>>>>
>>>> https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/4581/
>>>> total%20document.pdf?sequence=17
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nagaraj Paturi skrev den 2016-10-11 22:04:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Jacob,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a Yantra. It has the word yantra inscribed on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has :
>>>>>
>>>>> యంత్రరాజాయ విద్మహి(sic)
>>>>> మహాయంత్రాయ ధీమహి శం నో
>>>>> యంత్రః ప్రచోదయాత్
>>>>>
>>>>> (yaṁtrarājāya vidmahi mahāyaṁtrāya dhīmahi śaṁ nō
>>>>> yaṁtraḥ pracōdayāt )
>>>>>
>>>>> అస్మిన్  తాంబ్రయంత్రసుఖం
>>>>> చిరం కర్తుం .... స్వాహా
>>>>>
>>>>> (asmin  tāṁbrayaṁtrasukhaṁ ciraṁ kartuṁ .... svāhā )
>>>>>
>>>>> హీం జ్వలాయ విద్మహి (sic)  మహా
>>>>> శూలినే ధీమహి
>>>>>
>>>>> (hīṁ jvalāya vidmahi (sic)  mahā śūlinē dhīmahi )
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a mention of a deity called pratikriyāśūlin  in the
>>>>> yantra.
>>>>>
>>>>> This may indicate that the yantra is meant to counter the action of
>>>>> another supernatural power.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this guess is correct, it is usually not the kind used in the
>>>>> pratśṭhā in a temple.
>>>>>
>>>>> The interpretation  " it is a Telugu "Saccra" (cakra) used to ward off
>>>>> disease and spirits of possession" should be correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using yantras in the installation (pratśṭhā ) in a temple is a
>>>>> usual practice. But this one does not seem to be of that kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:40 PM, <jacob at fabularasa.dk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bornholms Museum, located on the eponymous rock island in the Baltic
>>>>>> Sea, asked me for clarification about the attached object. According
>>>>>> to the registration notes, which probably date back about a hundred
>>>>>> years, it is a Telugu "Saccra" (cakra) used to ward off disease and
>>>>>> spirits of possession. It is also stated that cakras are generally
>>>>>> installed below temple deities to empower the deity and attract
>>>>>> people to the temple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anybody knows the specific name of the cakra and any other
>>>>>> details of its application, I would be happy to convey the
>>>>>> information to the museum. I would also be interested to know what
>>>>>> the distinction between a cakra and a yantra is in this context, and
>>>>>> whether the installation of cakras/yantras to empower deities,
>>>>>> attract people, or otherwise is indeed a general practice in Indian
>>>>>> temples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Jacob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacob Schmidt-Madsen
>>>>>> PhD Fellow (Indology)
>>>>>> Department of Cross-Cultural and Regional Studies
>>>>>> University of Copenhagen
>>>>>> Denmark
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>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>>
>>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>>
>>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>>
>>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>>
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>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

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