From wiese at wifa.uni-leipzig.de  Sun May  1 04:57:45 2016
From: wiese at wifa.uni-leipzig.de (Harald Wiese)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 06:57:45 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Ka=CC=84tya=CC=84yanasmr=CC=A3ti_(Kane_1933)_(Harald_Wiese)?=
In-Reply-To: <D34A7A70.27FB0%lubint@wlu.edu>
Message-ID: <57258CC9.5030109@wifa.uni-leipzig.de>

Dear Tim,

great, thank you very much !!

Yours

Harald





From karp at uw.edu.pl  Sun May  1 05:27:02 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 07:27:02 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] M-W Sanskrit-English Dictionary Co-Authors
In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047B7ABB7@xm-mbx-04-prod>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFvRH4C2rYDWYi+1xer-ANXB7KB4n3fQ9hbDrpxbJ-iOsQ@mail.gmail.com>

So - although indirectly - some Bengali Babus present in Oxford, via their
Sanskrit-Sanskrit dictionaries .

Only they?

Artur

2016-04-30 21:22 GMT+02:00 Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>:

> The conversation seems to have forgotten entirely the role of the great
> Skt.-Skt. dictionaries
> of the 19th c., the Sabdakalpadruma and the Vacaspatyam (sorry that I have
> no diacriticals
> at the moment).
>
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> ------------------------------
>
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From slaje at kabelmail.de  Sun May  1 09:08:47 2016
From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 11:08:47 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] M-W Sanskrit-English Dictionary Co-Authors
In-Reply-To: <CAPW7aQEFNmi939d+BoA0EEGDmRhktVcUceC6mH2tdNh8pRUjNw@mail.gmail.com>
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Unlike Monier-Williams, who has plundered the wealth of Boehtlingk?s (&
Roth?s) PW without proper acknowledgment of the materials on which he had
based his structural rearrangement in the English language, the latter *do
acknowledge all* of their sources and frequently quote them verbatim *in
extenso* ? whence it is called ?Gro?es (big) PW? [1853?75]: more quotes,
less entries compared to ?Kleines (little) pw? [1879?89]: little or no
verbatim quotes, but considerably more entries.


Using pw along with Richard Schmidt?s Supplement (?Nachtr?ge?) [1928] and
Apte's Dictionary (which is truly independent) will yield a maximum of
reliable results.



In the present case the sources of PW/pw were classical Sanskrit
lexicographers, in one case the comparatively late ?abdakalpadruma.



> Are all or some of these 7 words in  Sabdakalpadruma and the Vacaspatyam?

The question can best be answered by consulting PW directly (sources
highlighted in red colour):



k?audraja ? (k?audra *Honig* + ja)  n.  *Wachs*  R??an. im ?kdr. (PW)

k?audraj? ? f. Honigzucker R?jan. 14,133. (pw)

nihi?sana ? (von hi?s mit ni)  n.  *das Morden*  Ak. 2, 8, 2, 81. (PW [+pw])

n?tigho?a ? (n?? + gho?a)  m.  N. des Wagens des B?haspati  Trik. 2, 8, 48.
(PW [+pw])

n?cabhojya ? (n?ca + bho?)  m.  *Zwiebel (die Nahrung gemeiner Leute*)
?abda?. im ?kdr. (PW [+pw])



> roha?adruma were in MW but not PW or pw

This is wrong, for it is indeed recorded in PW/pw:

roha?adruma ? m.  *Sandelbaum*  H. 641. Hal?j. 2, 389. (PW [+pw])


> a?sem?la

This again is inaccurate, first, because the correct entry in MW is
a?sam?la (not a?sam?le), and second, because pw has registered it as a
matter of fact (n. Schulterh?he R?jan.)



I suggest to study first of all the introductions to the works of
Boehtlingk & Roth to form oneself an idea of what exact methods in Sanskrit
lexicography they had employed and who actually had contributed to their
Herculean task.


Regards,
WS

-----------------------------
Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
Deutschland

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.

2016-05-01 1:37 GMT+02:00 Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> The conversation seems to have forgotten entirely the role of the great
>> Skt.-Skt. dictionaries
>> of the 19th c., the Sabdakalpadruma and the Vacaspatyam (sorry that I
>> have no diacriticals
>> at the moment).
>>
>
> In Monier Williams introductory material under abbreviations he has:
> " L.  lexicographers (i.e. a word or meaning which although given in the
> native lexicons, has not yet been met with in any published text. ".
>
> Over the years I've looked up a lot of words from the tantric literature
> in M-W and many times found the entry had this "L." reference.
> Also as an experiment I just did a random search for a few entries in a
> text version of M-W's for this L. reference just to see if they were also
> in Boehtlink-Roth.  Of the seven random entries with the "L." reference
> that  I picked ,two were in MW but not in either pw or PW.  and 5 were in
> both MW and PW
>
> a?sem?la roha?adruma were in MW but not PW or pw
>
> a?hripa, k?audraj?, nihi?sana, n?tigho?a, n?cabhojya were in MW and PW
>
> Are all or some of these 7 words in  Sabdakalpadruma and the Vacaspatyam ?
>
> Harry Spier
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From franco at uni-leipzig.de  Sun May  1 09:47:14 2016
From: franco at uni-leipzig.de (Eli Franco)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 11:47:14 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with a quotation
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Dear friends and colleagues,

I was unable to identify the following verse which appears in the  
Pram??av?rttik?la?karanibandha of Yam?ri with reference to a  
Vidagdhama??ana (sic.). The verse does not seem to appear in any of  
the editions of the Vidagdhamukhama??ana. The manuscript reads:

?ha ca vidagdhama??ane
sarva??strakal??i?ya?uddh?n?? nika?opala? |
aha? kavitvavakt?tvakusumai? kusum?kara? ||

I will be grateful for any help.
With best wishes,
Eli Franco

-- 
Prof. Dr. Eli Franco
Institut f?r Indologie und Zentralasienwissenschaften
Schillerstr. 6
04109 Leipzig

Ph. +49 341 9737 121, 9737 120 (dept. office)
Fax +49 341 9737 148







From dipak.d2004 at gmail.com  Sun May  1 15:22:25 2016
From: dipak.d2004 at gmail.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 20:52:25 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] M-W Sanskrit-English Dictionary Co-Authors
In-Reply-To: <CALoZ1nV-LCv90dJ4rLUxZPaTeTNwfwdKLeix96HJJfO41=RVNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABEB9qJ1i_kuVpsyWN2bYi56vZq-yGAX2ybFJ-Zsu3+h9MF-fA@mail.gmail.com>

< Apte's Dictionary (which is truly independent) will yield a maximum of
reliable results. >
Just a note. Apte depended on the Vaacaspatyam by Taranath Tarkavaacaspati
(1811-1885)
Best
DB







Saved



1.73

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Walter Slaje <slaje at kabelmail.de> wrote:

> Unlike Monier-Williams, who has plundered the wealth of Boehtlingk?s (&
> Roth?s) PW without proper acknowledgment of the materials on which he had
> based his structural rearrangement in the English language, the latter *do
> acknowledge all* of their sources and frequently quote them verbatim *in
> extenso* ? whence it is called ?Gro?es (big) PW? [1853?75]: more quotes,
> less entries compared to ?Kleines (little) pw? [1879?89]: little or no
> verbatim quotes, but considerably more entries.
>
>
> Using pw along with Richard Schmidt?s Supplement (?Nachtr?ge?) [1928] and
> Apte's Dictionary (which is truly independent) will yield a maximum of
> reliable results.
>
>
>
> In the present case the sources of PW/pw were classical Sanskrit
> lexicographers, in one case the comparatively late ?abdakalpadruma.
>
>
>
> > Are all or some of these 7 words in  Sabdakalpadruma and the Vacaspatyam?
>
> The question can best be answered by consulting PW directly (sources
> highlighted in red colour):
>
>
>
> k?audraja ? (k?audra *Honig* + ja)  n.  *Wachs*  R??an. im ?kdr. (PW)
>
> k?audraj? ? f. Honigzucker R?jan. 14,133. (pw)
>
> nihi?sana ? (von hi?s mit ni)  n.  *das Morden*  Ak. 2, 8, 2, 81. (PW
> [+pw])
>
> n?tigho?a ? (n?? + gho?a)  m.  N. des Wagens des B?haspati  Trik. 2, 8, 48
> . (PW [+pw])
>
> n?cabhojya ? (n?ca + bho?)  m.  *Zwiebel (die Nahrung gemeiner Leute*)
> ?abda?. im ?kdr. (PW [+pw])
>
>
>
> > roha?adruma were in MW but not PW or pw
>
> This is wrong, for it is indeed recorded in PW/pw:
>
> roha?adruma ? m.  *Sandelbaum*  H. 641. Hal?j. 2, 389. (PW [+pw])
>
>
> > a?sem?la
>
> This again is inaccurate, first, because the correct entry in MW is
> a?sam?la (not a?sam?le), and second, because pw has registered it as a
> matter of fact (n. Schulterh?he R?jan.)
>
>
>
> I suggest to study first of all the introductions to the works of
> Boehtlingk & Roth to form oneself an idea of what exact methods in Sanskrit
> lexicography they had employed and who actually had contributed to their
> Herculean task.
>
>
> Regards,
> WS
>
> -----------------------------
> Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
> Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
> D-99425 Weimar
> Deutschland
>
> Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
> studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
> non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
> sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
> humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
> Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.
>
> 2016-05-01 1:37 GMT+02:00 Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The conversation seems to have forgotten entirely the role of the great
>>> Skt.-Skt. dictionaries
>>> of the 19th c., the Sabdakalpadruma and the Vacaspatyam (sorry that I
>>> have no diacriticals
>>> at the moment).
>>>
>>
>> In Monier Williams introductory material under abbreviations he has:
>> " L.  lexicographers (i.e. a word or meaning which although given in the
>> native lexicons, has not yet been met with in any published text. ".
>>
>> Over the years I've looked up a lot of words from the tantric literature
>> in M-W and many times found the entry had this "L." reference.
>> Also as an experiment I just did a random search for a few entries in a
>> text version of M-W's for this L. reference just to see if they were also
>> in Boehtlink-Roth.  Of the seven random entries with the "L." reference
>> that  I picked ,two were in MW but not in either pw or PW.  and 5 were in
>> both MW and PW
>>
>> a?sem?la roha?adruma were in MW but not PW or pw
>>
>> a?hripa, k?audraj?, nihi?sana, n?tigho?a, n?cabhojya were in MW and PW
>>
>> Are all or some of these 7 words in  Sabdakalpadruma and the Vacaspatyam ?
>>
>> Harry Spier
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de  Sun May  1 16:20:22 2016
From: steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de (Roland Steiner)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 18:20:22 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] M-W Sanskrit-English Dictionary Co-Authors
In-Reply-To: <CABEB9qJ1i_kuVpsyWN2bYi56vZq-yGAX2ybFJ-Zsu3+h9MF-fA@mail.gmail.com>
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> < Apte's Dictionary (which is truly independent) will yield a  
> maximum of reliable results. >

> Just a note. Apte depended on the Vaacaspatyam by Taranath  
> Tarkavaacaspati (1811-1885)


Fortunately, Apte's very useful dictionary has sources indeed. One of  
its many sources is T?r?n?tha Tarkav?caspati's V?caspatya. In Apte's  
own words:

"I have derived from different sources. And in doing so I must give  
the first place to the great Sanskrit encyclop?dia, the V?chaspati of  
Professor T?r?n?tha Tarkav?chaspati. I have constantly kept it by my  
side and have freely availed myself of the information contained in it  
-- of course with large curtailments -- though I have had to  
supplement it myself wherever it was found to be defective or  
insufficient. [...] The Sanskrit-English Dictionary of Professor  
Monier Williams is the next work to which I have been greatly  
indebted. It has been a constant source of help to me, and I have  
frequently adopted his renderings of words, compound expressions &c.,  
where I found them better than those I myself had to suggest. And  
though there is a good deal in this Dictionary that is not to be found  
in that work, and though the plan and scope of the two are essentially  
different, yet I must gratefully acknowledge the great assistance I  
have often derived from the learned Professor's invaluable Dictionary.  
The last work to which also my grateful acknowledgments are due is the  
German Worterbuch of Drs. Roth and Bothlingk (sic.). The chief  
distinguishing feature of that great work is that it abounds with  
quotations and references dealing with almost every branch of Sanskrit  
literature, but a careful reader will easily see that the works  
belonging to Vedic literature, such as the four Vedas, Upani?ads,  
Br?hma?as, ?ra?yakas &c., have been comparatively more copiously drawn  
upon by the authors than works belonging to the post-Vedic literature.  
A glance at the contents of this Dictionary will show that I have  
drawn upon works seldom or not at all referred to in the Worterbuch;  
such as the Mah?v?racharita, M?lat?-M?dhava, Uttarar?macharita,  
K?dambar?, ?i?up?lavadha, Kir?t?rjun?ya, Mudr?r?k?asa, Ve??sa?h?ra,  
Ratn?val?, K?vyaprak??a, ???karabh??ya, Bh?min?vil?sa,  
Vikram??kadevacharita, Ga?g?lahari &c. Indeed, the great majority of  
quotations and references are from my own collection made during the  
last seven or eight years; and I have even been obliged to keep back a  
large mumber of them for want of space. But I must frankly acknowledge  
that I have freely availed myself of the quotations and references in  
that Dictionary, where my own collection was defective, particularly  
in the case of Vedic and Paur??ic works. I have also occasionally  
consulted the Dictionaries of H. H. Wilson and Benfey, the former  
supplying some happy renderings of technical or obscure words. To  
these authors, as well as to the authors and editors of several  
otherworks, which are too many to be here mentioned, from which I have  
derived occasional help in one form or another, my most grateful  
thanks are due."

In short: a truly independent dictionary.

Best
Roland Steiner






From markandeia at gmail.com  Sun May  1 19:43:14 2016
From: markandeia at gmail.com (Nataliya Yanchevskaya)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 15:43:14 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Literature on ISKCON
Message-ID: <CAJZXY-ROCvFD-zUk8cbr95ZrkeyPd68J_V9jrzkJxoYDYxbenQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

A student of mine is writing a term paper on ISKCON ("The Hare Krishna
Movement"). Could you please kindly recommend reliable sources (books or
articles) on this organization, its demographics, economics, belief system
and practices? Sources treating this subject from a comparative perspective
would also be very welcome.

Many thanks!

Nataliya Yanchevskaya
Lecturer in Sanskrit
Princeton University


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From ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com  Sun May  1 20:08:33 2016
From: ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 13:08:33 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Literature on ISKCON
In-Reply-To: <CAJZXY-ROCvFD-zUk8cbr95ZrkeyPd68J_V9jrzkJxoYDYxbenQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <750B2F9F-F5BB-4E43-8082-0D826753B94A@mail.ubc.ca>

> For a start, pl advise your student to see the (early) publications of Prof. Rahul Peter Das ( Institut fuer Indologie und S?dasienwissenschaften, Martin-Luther-Universitaet Halle-Wittenberg, 06099 Halle, Germany). He probably has a website.
> 
> a.a.

> On May 1, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Nataliya Yanchevskaya <markandeia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A student of mine is writing a term paper on ISKCON ("The Hare Krishna Movement"). Could you please kindly recommend reliable sources (books or articles) on this organization, its demographics, economics, belief system and practices? Sources treating this subject from a comparative perspective would also be very welcome.



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From lharring at bu.edu  Sun May  1 20:36:40 2016
From: lharring at bu.edu (Laura Harrington)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 16:36:40 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Literature on ISKCON
In-Reply-To: <CAJZXY-ROCvFD-zUk8cbr95ZrkeyPd68J_V9jrzkJxoYDYxbenQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMGYQeQnYTXQj5p5k_Ai6RjtHejVyn+7TRuRCwvW0=59kT1Mbw@mail.gmail.com>

Attached is the Oxford On-Line Bibliography on ISKON:
Laura Harrington

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Nataliya Yanchevskaya <markandeia at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> A student of mine is writing a term paper on ISKCON ("The Hare Krishna
> Movement"). Could you please kindly recommend reliable sources (books or
> articles) on this organization, its demographics, economics, belief system
> and practices? Sources treating this subject from a comparative perspective
> would also be very welcome.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Nataliya Yanchevskaya
> Lecturer in Sanskrit
> Princeton University
>
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From SamuelG at cardiff.ac.uk  Sun May  1 20:39:01 2016
From: SamuelG at cardiff.ac.uk (Geoffrey Samuel)
Date: Sun, 01 May 16 20:39:01 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Literature on ISKCON
In-Reply-To: <750B2F9F-F5BB-4E43-8082-0D826753B94A@mail.ubc.ca>
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Malcolm Haddon's 2004 PhD thesis "The Nectar of Translation: Conversion, Mimesis and Cultural Translation in Krishna Consciousness" is well worth reading (Macquarie University, Sydney). It can be downloaded from the Macquarie University Library site (http://www.mq.edu.au/about/campus-services-and-facilities/library)<http://multisearch.mq.edu.au/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do;jsessionid=0DA8F8AA642C0AEEEBAB853A77732984?tabs=detailsTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=TN_trovemq_6252&indx=1&recIds=TN_trovemq_6252&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&loc=adaptor%2Cscope%3A%28%22MQ%22%29%2Cscope%3A%28reserve%29%2Cscope%3A%28exam%29%2Cprimo_central_multiple_fe&pcAvailabiltyMode=false&query=any%2Ccontains%2CHaddon+nectar&dscnt=0&scp.scps=scope%3A%28%22MQ%22%29%2Cscope%3A%28reserve%29%2Cscope%3A%28exam%29%2Cprimo_central_multiple_fe&multisearch_submit=Submit&vid=MQ&institution=MQ&bulkSize=20&tab=books_more&vl%2877850891UI0%29=any&multisearch_input=Haddon+nectar&vl%28freeText0%29=Haddon%20nectar&dstmp=1462134828373>

<http://iastam.org/><http://www.bodyhealthreligion.org.uk/BAHAR/>



The Journal of Vaishnava Studies largely consists of articles by past or present ISKCON members but it contains many articles of a good academic standard.


http://iskconeducation.org/journal-of-vaishnava-studies/


http://www.deepakheritage.com/indic_series.htm#BackIssue


Geoffrey
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Sent: 01 May 2016 21:08
To: Nataliya Yanchevskaya
Cc: indology at list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Literature on ISKCON

For a start, pl advise your student to see the (early) publications of Prof. Rahul Peter Das ( Institut fuer Indologie und S?dasienwissenschaften, Martin-Luther-Universitaet Halle-Wittenberg, 06099 Halle, Germany). He probably has a website.

a.a.

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From markandeia at gmail.com  Mon May  2 06:35:56 2016
From: markandeia at gmail.com (Nataliya Yanchevskaya)
Date: Mon, 02 May 16 02:35:56 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Literature on ISKCON
Message-ID: <CAJZXY-QK+z1rJXEC9mG6Nay=zQcW1aW5hNjkxxX7CFsiBzyfeg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

Many thanks for your replies on and off the list! I hope my student will
now write a good paper using all the resources you enumerated!

Thanks again and best wishes,
Nataliya
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Lecturer in Sanskrit
PIIRS
Princeton University


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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Mon May  2 14:31:53 2016
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Mon, 02 May 16 10:31:53 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Maitrayani Pratishakhya
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzd1e9WwrkQ1E1Sy3UcYzyy4O1fUgdkN0Db4V8zdEDtCGg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

Yudhishthir Mimamsak in his history of Sanskrit grammar mentions that he
had seen a manuscript of a rare Pratishakhya work, namely the Maitrayani
Pratishakhya, at the home of Late Pt. Annashastri Ware of Nasik.  After Pt.
Ware passed away, his manuscript collection, along with his other estate,
were contested by his sons, and the manuscripts have never been seen
again.  Shri T. N. Dharmadhikari from Pune also visited Nasik some years
ago, but had no success in accessing manuscripts of the Ware family. Since
there is a Maitrayani community in Nasik, I myself went there some years
ago and talked to some Maitrayani pandits, but they had never seen this
work, and the Nasik Nagar Vachanalaya, which houses a fairly large
collection of Sanskrit manuscripts, does not have a copy of this work.  I
am just wondering if anyone on BVP has ever come across a manuscript of
this work.  I communicated with the director of NAMAMI in Delhi, and they
have not been able to trace this work.  Any help in tracing this work would
be appreciated.  Besides Nasik, Gujarat may be another region where the
Maitrayani community is found, and there is a chance that this work may
exist somewhere in Gujarat. With best regards,

Madhav M. Deshpande

-- 
Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
The University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA


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From fleming_b4 at hotmail.com  Mon May  2 17:06:23 2016
From: fleming_b4 at hotmail.com (Benjamin Fleming)
Date: Mon, 02 May 16 13:06:23 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request
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Message-ID: <BAY181-W57FBDE3511C67A6F3BF175A4790@phx.gbl>

I know that some Burmese copies of the Kammavaacaa have used letters (and specifically vowels I believe) instead of numbers as a  means of foliating manuscripts, though have no sense of the intentionality of this practice (i.e., whether to obscure from "infidels" etc.). 
I know also I have come across two non-Buddhists works in the Penn collection using letters instead of numbers. 
Similarly I regularly come across manuscripts with confusing and multiple foliation schema, some times explained away by suggesting a given manuscript was part of a larger work and was foliated for both the individual text and the larger work, but this explanation does not always  suffice to explain such examples, especially in the case of three sequences of foliation across a single manuscript. 
This is not something I have taken stock of, but have simply observed in passing through my work the last five years or so going through thousands of manuscripts. Again, as to the intentionality of such examples, I cannot attest, but note it as a curiosity that occurs once in a while.
I would also note that I have found two or three examples of dating manuscripts where the date was written in code and not with numbers in Bangladesh.
I am happy to try and dig up some of these instances, if anyone is interested. I would note that the examples I refer to are recent, within the last 200 or 300 hundred years and nothing so old as the 11th or 12th centuries.
Best Wishes,Benjamin
-- 
Benjamin Fleming, Visiting Scholar, Dept. of Religious Studies; University of Pennsylvania 249 S. 36th Street, 
201 Claudia Cohen Hall
Cataloger of Indic Manuscripts, Kislak Center for Special Collections, Rare Books and Manuscripts;
Philadelphia, PA 19104 U.S.A. 
Telephone - 215-900-5744http://www.sas.upenn.edu/religious_studies/faculty/fleming
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~bfleming https://twitter.com/Indic_MSS> From: Johannes.Bronkhorst at unil.ch
> To: indology at list.indology.info
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:51:39 +0000
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Request
> CC: amy.heller at bluewin.ch
> 
> Dear friends and colleagues,
> A friend asked me to post the following question:
> 
> From Amy Heller (tibetologist):  I am currently studying a 408 page
> 11th-12th century Tibetan Prajnaparamita from Tholing whose page numbering
> does not conform to the specifics of W Tibetan manuscripts - there are many
> "small" aberrant details , although the numbering is on the whole legible. A
> colleague suggested to me that this is a reflection, perhaps,  of an Indian
> tradition to conceal accurate numbering from the eyes of infidels,
> presumably in vigor in N India, ca 10th-12th c (in Hindu and Buddhist
> circles) to conceal from potential Muslim eyes??  I asked an Indian friend
> (curator in an art museum) who  did not know of this tradition at all, nor
> was I aware of it. Is this spurious or genuine? Feedback would be most
> appreciated, thanks!
> 
> Johannes Bronkhorst
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From jonathan.edelmann at gmail.com  Tue May  3 00:50:11 2016
From: jonathan.edelmann at gmail.com (Jonathan Edelmann)
Date: Mon, 02 May 16 20:50:11 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Another round in the California textbook story
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Thank you, Dominik, for the article, and Ram-prasad, for the insightful comments.

The term ?right-wing? seems inappropriate since it super-imposes yet another layer of Christian designations onto a different set of issues for the Hindu diaspora and next gen struggling to make sense of their history and find agency in its articulation.

There are two things alarming to me:

(1) Issues of caste are often brought immediately to the front in Hindu chapters, as if that?s the core of Hinduism. One could argue there are more interesting and central issues children could learn, and, as noted by others, the racism, bigotry, etc. in Abrahamic history is often not highlighted in adjacent chapters. Why?

(2) Much controversy could be erased if publishers allowed well established academics in RS, Indology, etc., who are Hindu, write the chapters. My understanding is that the publishers won't pass their agency over to Hindu scholars, even those with distinguished careers in academia.

Sincerely,
Jonathan Edelmann


Jonathan Edelmann <https://florida.academia.edu/JonathanEdelmann>
Assistant Professor
University of Florida
Department of Religion

> On Apr 15, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Ram-Prasad, Chakravarthi <c.ram-prasad at lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> As someone who watched my son's essay when he was at school actually get marked down in History because he argued that it did not make sense to talk about what was ?good? about the British Empire, I do get fed up about the huge variations in what counts as enough ?realism? for school children, and how nationalism (and its asociated religious history) regularly whitewashes the past. Looking at undergraduates in Britain, a great deal more of unvarnished reality is needed. 
> In Britain, it is notable that Christianity gets read in school under ?Theology? and ?Ethics?, so that the focus is almost entirely on conceptual issues, while Hinduism is mostly studied sociologically. So students coming into first year university classes are all prepped up about the evils of caste and the maltreatment of women in Hinduism, with nary a thought about the iniquities perpetrated in the name of Christianity across history. From the little I have seen of Californian school books, this seems to be so there as well.
> I have no doubt that it is plain immoral that, under the guise of protecting children, the HAF and others want to write out the Hindu history and contemporary reality of discrimination. 
> But I do wonder why this story does not engage with the legitimate question of disparity that has been vitiated by denialism. Are sixth-graders getting a taste of the egregious evils visited upon American society by Christian activists today? About the unbelievable suffering brought about by anti-abortion fundamentalism? About Spanish inquisitions and brutal missionaries, about the theology of imperialism, the Pauline subordination of women that has been such a model for modernity?s gender discrimination, etc., etc.?
> 
> Ram
> 
> Professor Chakravarthi Ram-Prasad
> Lancaster UniversityFrom: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>] on behalf of Dominik Wujastyk [wujastyk at gmail.com <mailto:wujastyk at gmail.com>]
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:09 PM
> To: Indology
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Another round in the California textbook story
> 
> 
> ---- 
> Hindutva Efforts to Rewrite History in California Schools Fail <http://thewire.in/2016/04/15/hindutva-efforts-to-rewrite-history-in-california-schools-fail-29751/>
> // The Wire <http://thewire.in/2016/04/15/hindutva-efforts-to-rewrite-history-in-california-schools-fail-29751/>
> Right-wing Hindu groups are seeking to gloss over Indian history and deny the reality of caste discrimination by deleting the word ?Dalit? from the history textbooks in California.
> 
> Right-wing groups are trying to deny the reality of caste discrimination. Credit: Wikimedia Commons
> 
> New York: California reviews its textbooks every six years, inviting public opinion each time. The process has never been easy. The ?golden state? has again got far more than it bargained for in its latest round of reviews, with American right-wing Hindu groups demanding changes to the history and social science textbooks used in the sixth and seventh grades.
> 
> On March 28, the Hindu American Foundation (HAF), the Uberoi Foundation for Religious Studies and the Dharma Civilization Foundation suffered a setback when a history and social science committee in Sacramento threw out most of the changes they wanted to make to the new California textbooks, which are slated for publication later this year. However, the California State Board of Education is scheduled to vote on the proposed framework changes in May.
> 
> ?As much as it is about California textbooks, it is truly a battle which is ideological in nature,? said Thenmozhi Soundararajan of the Ambedkar Association of California, which with six other secular Indian groups is trying to make sure the ?egregious edits? submitted by HAF to the education board don?t find their way into the textbooks.
> 
> According to activists like Soundararajan, right-wing Hindu groups want to gloss over Indian history and deny the reality of caste discrimination by deleting the word ?Dalit? from the history textbooks of the state.
> 
> ?You can?t distort facts, whitewash history and deny what?s happened to millions of Indians from marginalised communities who are victims of caste apartheid,? said Soundararajan, who is the co-founder of Dalit History Month. ?You cannot tamper with and bring ideology into the framing of the past.?
> 
> HAF and other right-wing Hindu groups, however, maintain that issues such as the caste system, the plight of dalits and discrimination against women do not belong in a sixth-grade introduction to world civilisations. HAF says that Indian American children are embarrassed by the depiction of Hinduism in ancient India in the history textbook.
> 
> California ninth grader Akanksha Maddi wrote in a statement released by HAF that the textbooks are unfair to students of Indian heritage.
> 
> ?My classmates and teachers think that we Hindus still believe in primitive and unjust practices,? Maddi wrote. ?I don?t want my friends to look down upon me and my culture because of my textbook.?
> 
> The Uberoi Foundation for Religious Studies says Hindus are merely seeking parity with other religions in sixth grade textbooks, where social problems of other religions are not given the same prominence, even as the redeeming features of Hinduism are ignored.
> 
> Shiva G. Bajpai, professor emeritus of Asian Studies at California State University, asked the education board for a revision, writing: ?Hindu children are bullied by their classmates for the system of varna and jatibecause the social iniquities of other religions go unmentioned? If the commission insists on keeping lines 862 to 874, it should add 300 to 400 word comments on social order and slavery for the Abrahamic religions.?
> 
> A poster protesting the Hindu American Foundation?s claims, also showing an image from an American history textbook explaining the caste system.
> 
> However, the South Asian Faculty Group made up of South Asian scholars from Stanford, UC Berkeley, San Francisco State University and UCLA, among others, held that history should not be tampered with, even if it is unpleasant.
> 
> ?We are disturbed by claims that an equitable portrayal should prevail over historical accuracy,? said an expert who didn?t want to be named for fear of being targeted. ?It is a slippery slope.?
> 
> Protests over ?erasing? India 
> 
> HAF is spearheading protests across America because it says it has discovered over 30 places in the sixth and seventh grade history textbooks where the words ?Hindu? or ?India? would be replaced in the new textbooks with ?South Asia.?
> 
> Samir Kalra, senior director of HAF, told? <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/04/12/hindu-group-protests-possible-california-textbook-changes/>The Washington Post <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/04/12/hindu-group-protests-possible-california-textbook-changes/> that the proposed changes could have ?implications for several years forward,? and could diminish the significance of Hindus in the ancient civilisation of India. Kalra told the newspaper that the textbook changes appear to only reflect revisions aimed at India and Hinduism: China will not be changed to ?East Asia,? nor will there be changes to any references to Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Sikhism or any other religions.
> 
> The South Asian Faculty Group has fired back, saying that during the submissions in the public comment process it suggested that in some places ?India? be replaced with ?South Asia? because some of the areas discussed currently belong to Pakistan and are not aligned with modern-day India.
> 
> ?Although ?Ancient India? is common in the source material, when discussing the Indus Valley Civilisation, we believe it will cause less confusion to students to refer to the ?Early Civilisation of South Asia? or ?Ancient South Asia? because much of the Indus Valley is now in modern Pakistan. Conflating ?Ancient India? with the modern nation-state of India deprives students from learning about the shared civilisational heritage of India and Pakistan,? the group said in a letter responding to HAF.
> 
> The California State Board of Education will vote in May on whether to retain descriptions of the caste system, role of women, Aryan migrational history and polytheism in ancient Hindu religion and other issues ? as the textbook furore rages on.
> 
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> 
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> 
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Tue May  3 10:27:01 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Tue, 03 May 16 12:27:01 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunrise in the West & twelve dandas
Message-ID: <CALNcvFuNKG10qjnqge9eSWSCG7vZAVA1B3X6Qq=0Y=WkGjhWVg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

Prof. Barbara Grabowska of the South Asian Studies Deptt (University of
Warsaw) asks me to ask you about the meaning of the phrase "*twelve dandas*
".

The phrase appears in the Rupram Cakravarti's Dharmamangal (XVII c.). The
text says that if the sunrise will take place in the west, the God Dharma
will start to be revered and receive sacrifices on this Earth. The hero of
the Mangal prays for the sunrise to take place in the west at the twelfth
danda. And people, thinking that the night is over, started their home
chores.


With highest regards,

Artur Karp
Warsaw
Poland


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From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Tue May  3 15:56:04 2016
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Tue, 03 May 16 11:56:04 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunrise in the West & twelve dandas
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Ancient Indian Astronomical Terms and their Interpretations in the Light of
Modern Astronomy by Arupratan Bhattacharya for the term *da??a *has
"see gha?ik?"
 and under *gha?ik? *has "unit of time ( 1/60th part of a day)  syn. gha??,
da??a, n??ik?,n???"

Harry Spier



On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:

> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
>
> Prof. Barbara Grabowska of the South Asian Studies Deptt (University of
> Warsaw) asks me to ask you about the meaning of the phrase "*twelve
> dandas*".
>
> The phrase appears in the Rupram Cakravarti's Dharmamangal (XVII c.). The
> text says that if the sunrise will take place in the west, the God Dharma
> will start to be revered and receive sacrifices on this Earth. The hero of
> the Mangal prays for the sunrise to take place in the west at the twelfth
> danda. And people, thinking that the night is over, started their home
> chores.
>
>
> With highest regards,
>
> Artur Karp
> Warsaw
> Poland
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From witzel at fas.harvard.edu  Tue May  3 16:16:30 2016
From: witzel at fas.harvard.edu (Michael Witzel)
Date: Tue, 03 May 16 12:16:30 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanskrit Summer School @ Harvard
Message-ID: <C9EA4389-0E0E-4985-9C04-10AA34E3CCE2@fas.harvard.edu>

Dear All,

There still are a number of slots open for this year?s Sanskrit Summer School. 
Registration is open until May 15, after that only with a (relatively small) extra fee.

Background: two of our best PhDs over the past 25 years have emerged from this course! 
You will earn a one year credit in these fast-paced classes, during nearly eight intense weeks. 
As time allows, the cultural background of the sentences/stories we read will be provided.

The course prepares you for the (initial) use of Sanskrit in conversation with Pandits, for further reading and graduate research about Hindu & Buddhist Nepal and India. 

Spend your summer in leafy Harvard Yard and enjoy the July 4th concert & fireworks across the river in Boston!

Colleagues, please let your students and others interested know!
 
Thanks,

Michael WItzel

===================
Dear All,

Just as for the past 25 years, we will offer a course "Beginning Sanskrit" in the Harvard Summer School:

Seven-week session: June 18?August 6, 2016 (exam on August 12). 

<http://www.summer.harvard.edu/courses/beginning-sanskrit/32541 <http://www.summer.harvard.edu/courses/beginning-sanskrit/32541>>

Please let your colleagues and students know?

Michael Witzel

============
> Michael Witzel
> witzel at fas.harvard.edu <mailto:witzel at fas.harvard.edu>
> <www.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm>
> Wales Prof. of Sanskrit,
> Dept. of South Asian Studies, Harvard University
> 1 Bow Street,
> Cambridge MA 02138, USA
> 
> phone: 1- 617 - 495 3295, fax 617 - 496 8571;
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From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Tue May  3 16:28:18 2016
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (Lubomir Ondracka)
Date: Tue, 03 May 16 18:28:18 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunrise in the West & twelve dandas
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Dharmamangal is a Bengali text and all Bengali-Bengali dictionaries I know have the same meaning: da??a = 24 minutes, so the 12th da??a starts at 4:48 am - the right time before sunrise to pray to take place in the west. I guess.

Best,
Lubomir


On Tue, 3 May 2016 11:56:04 -0400
Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ancient Indian Astronomical Terms and their Interpretations in the Light of
> Modern Astronomy by Arupratan Bhattacharya for the term *da??a *has
> "see gha?ik?"
>  and under *gha?ik? *has "unit of time ( 1/60th part of a day)  syn. gha??,
> da??a, n??ik?,n???"
> 
> Harry Spier
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Friends and Colleagues,
> >
> > Prof. Barbara Grabowska of the South Asian Studies Deptt (University of
> > Warsaw) asks me to ask you about the meaning of the phrase "*twelve
> > dandas*".
> >
> > The phrase appears in the Rupram Cakravarti's Dharmamangal (XVII c.). The
> > text says that if the sunrise will take place in the west, the God Dharma
> > will start to be revered and receive sacrifices on this Earth. The hero of
> > the Mangal prays for the sunrise to take place in the west at the twelfth
> > danda. And people, thinking that the night is over, started their home
> > chores.
> >
> >
> > With highest regards,
> >
> > Artur Karp
> > Warsaw
> > Poland
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > INDOLOGY mailing list
> > INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> > indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> > committee)
> > http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> > unsubscribe)
> >





From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Tue May  3 17:34:50 2016
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Tue, 03 May 16 13:34:50 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunrise in the West & twelve dandas
In-Reply-To: <20160503182818.b00f13c2a27ff8b76c8f8c9e@ff.cuni.cz>
Message-ID: <CAPW7aQEe+RaEhW3yPwrqbQ_R8=GwUEF4jv=fpG1-mA-284fR_Q@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
>
> > > Prof. Barbara Grabowska of the South Asian Studies Deptt (University of
> > > Warsaw) asks me to ask you about the meaning of the phrase "*twelve
> > > dandas*".
> > >
> > > The phrase appears in the Rupram Cakravarti's Dharmamangal (XVII c.).
> The
> > > text says that if the sunrise will take place in the west, the God
> Dharma
> > > will start to be revered and receive sacrifices on this Earth. The
> hero of
> > > the Mangal prays for the sunrise to take place in the west at the
> twelfth
> > > danda. And people, thinking that the night is over, started their home
> > > chores.
>

What confuses me about this quote is the phrase "And people, thinking the
night is over, started their home chores".

Doesn't the medieval  solar day go from sunrise to sunrise not from
midnight to midnight ( or is the Bengali calendaric system  different) so
the 12th daNDa would be from 4 hours 24 minutes after sunrise to 4 hours 48
minutes after sunrise. I.e.very  late morning not early morning.

Harry Spier


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From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Tue May  3 18:54:35 2016
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (Lubomir Ondracka)
Date: Tue, 03 May 16 20:54:35 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunrise in the West & twelve dandas
In-Reply-To: <CAPW7aQEe+RaEhW3yPwrqbQ_R8=GwUEF4jv=fpG1-mA-284fR_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160503205435.99a12355d0e261d4f5fd3778@ff.cuni.cz>

That confuses me too. You are right, normally a day (and its counting) should start with the sunrise. But then the 12th da??a would be around 11 am and the sentence "And people, thinking the night is over, started their home chores" would not make good sense.

It is more simple to understand it as: "And people, thinking the night is over, [although the Sun rose up in the west,] started their home chores" So it rose up in usual time, but at unusual place. And since da??a is definitely 48 minutes, to start with the first da??a at midnight fits well. But it is just my construction, I have no evidence for it.

It would be useful to see the original text.

Lubomir


On Tue, 3 May 2016 13:34:50 -0400
Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> >
> >
> > > > Prof. Barbara Grabowska of the South Asian Studies Deptt (University of
> > > > Warsaw) asks me to ask you about the meaning of the phrase "*twelve
> > > > dandas*".
> > > >
> > > > The phrase appears in the Rupram Cakravarti's Dharmamangal (XVII c.).
> > The
> > > > text says that if the sunrise will take place in the west, the God
> > Dharma
> > > > will start to be revered and receive sacrifices on this Earth. The
> > hero of
> > > > the Mangal prays for the sunrise to take place in the west at the
> > twelfth
> > > > danda. And people, thinking that the night is over, started their home
> > > > chores.
> >
> 
> What confuses me about this quote is the phrase "And people, thinking the
> night is over, started their home chores".
> 
> Doesn't the medieval  solar day go from sunrise to sunrise not from
> midnight to midnight ( or is the Bengali calendaric system  different) so
> the 12th daNDa would be from 4 hours 24 minutes after sunrise to 4 hours 48
> minutes after sunrise. I.e.very  late morning not early morning.
> 
> Harry Spier





From pcbisschop at googlemail.com  Wed May  4 09:55:04 2016
From: pcbisschop at googlemail.com (peter bisschop)
Date: Wed, 04 May 16 11:55:04 +0200
Subject: Language Change in Epic Greek and other Oral Traditions
Message-ID: <CACDreE_xbbE-gRLYCrwwg6N6Xw1-fiQ2RuNAeK_92kT6LH7-Xw@mail.gmail.com>

 At the request of my colleague Lucien van Beek, I am forwarding this call
for papers. The organizers hope that several Vedicists will also
participate in the workshop.

Peter Bisschop
Leiden University
---

*Call for Papers: Language Change in Epic Greek and other Oral Traditions*
Leiden University, 27-29 October, 2016

The language of Homer (epic Greek) contains linguistic forms from different
periods and dialects, as well as numerous artificial forms. Epic Greek is
therefore commonly described as an artificial language, a *Kunstsprache*.
This conference is dedicated to language change in the Greek epic tradition
and in other oral traditions. The leading question is: to what extent can
oral traditions develop autonomously?

We welcome contributions on topics relating to the study of language change
in epic Greek and in similar oral traditions. Papers on the genesis or
history of the Homeric (Avestan, Vedic etc.) texts are also welcome,
provided that they shed light on issues of language change.

*Key note speakers*:

   - Alain Blanc (Rouen)
   - Albio Cassio (Roma)
   - Jeremy Rau (Harvard)
   - Rudolf Wachter (Lausanne / Basel)
   - Andreas Willi (Oxford)


*Dates: *

   - Titles and abstracts submission: no later than Wednesday 15 June, 2016
   to *epic_greek at hum.leidenuniv.nl*
   <https://webmail.campus.leidenuniv.nl/owa/redir.aspx?REF=172H5f3F76HCpqfr-Ch2O3bZ598GVJ380A_OctwaUqNQRh4KAXTTCAFtYWlsdG86ZXBpY19ncmVla0BodW0ubGVpZGVudW5pdi5ubA..>.

   - Notification of acceptance: Friday 8 July, 2016.

*Further information: *

   - Full call: see pdf (attachment).
   - Conference website:
   *https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/events/2016/10/language-change-in-epic-greek*
   <https://webmail.campus.leidenuniv.nl/owa/redir.aspx?REF=JTxRj5XmRUVTR8RakBtwu02MGpVo_IZmwj22vFxehelQRh4KAXTTCAFodHRwczovL3d3dy51bml2ZXJzaXRlaXRsZWlkZW4ubmwvZW4vZXZlbnRzLzIwMTYvMTAvbGFuZ3VhZ2UtY2hhbmdlLWluLWVwaWMtZ3JlZWs.>
   .

The organizers,
Lucien van Beek, Alwin Kloekhorst, Sasha Lubotsky, Tijmen Pronk


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From ssandahl at sympatico.ca  Thu May  5 01:24:36 2016
From: ssandahl at sympatico.ca (stella sandahl)
Date: Wed, 04 May 16 21:24:36 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: [pmarc] Erasing Caste: The Battle Over California	Textbooks and Caste Apartheid / Huffington Post
In-Reply-To: <572A6C6C.8030603@yorku.ca>
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A friend sent me this. I think it is worth posting on the Indology list
Best regards to all
Stella Sandahl



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>  
> Subject: Fwd: [pmarc] Erasing Caste: The Battle Over California Textbooks and Caste Apartheid / Huffington Post
> Date: May 4, 2016 at 5:41:00 PM EDT
> To: Stella Sandahl <ssandahl at sympatico.ca>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	[pmarc] Erasing Caste: The Battle Over California Textbooks and Caste Apartheid / Huffington Post
> Date:	Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:29 GMT
> From:	Peoples Media Advocacy & Resource Centre-PMARC <pmarc2008 at gmail.com>
> Reply-To:	Dalits Media Watch <PMARC at dgroups.org>
> To:	Dalits Media Watch <PMARC at dgroups.org>
> 
> Huffington Post
> Erasing Caste:
> The Battle Over California Textbooks and Caste Apartheid
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/erasing-caste-the-battle_b_9817862.html?section=india
>  
>  05/03/2016 06:02 pm ET | Updated 7 hours ago
> 
> Thenmozhi SoundararajanDalit transmedia artist and activist
>  
> California?s textbooks are once again an ideological battleground. Ground zero is the State Board of Education in Sacramento, where the nation?s leading conservative Hindu groups are hell-bent on rewriting history. This embittered alliance, led by the Hindu American Foundation (HAF), and including the Hindu Education Foundation (HEF), Uberoi Foundation (UF) and Dharma Civilization Foundation (DCF), are conspiring to weave ideological agendas into the state?s history and social science frameworks.
> 
> ?
>  
> Multiple rationales are offered for these changes, but the most prominent is the deceptively heartrending HAF argument that no less than the ?low-self-esteem and bullying of Hindu children? is at stake when caste and patriarchy in Hinduism is taught. At a quick glance, these appeals might seem compelling. But the answer to racism in schools is not to further discriminate by erasing history. Hindu revisionism ill-prepares all California children and is an insult to democracy. For as Kashmiri scholar Huma Dar writes; ?history is not meant to soothe feelings, it is written so we might learn from its mistakes and very crucially: mistakes that are yet to be appropriately addressed.?
>  
> This is where the South Asian Histories for All Coalition has entered the fray. We are an interfaith, multi-racial, inter-caste coalition of organizations and individuals from all over California. We formed in response to the HAF Alliance?s attempt to erase the facts about the injustices of caste and religious intolerance over the South Asian region?s long history from the educational frameworks being taught to students across the state. We also came together to support the California Board of Education public review process of its curriculum frameworks. Many of us were involved in the 2006 battle for these textbooks when HAF and its allies first attempted to change California?s textbooks, and we bring that experience into this last stretch of the battle now.
>  
> Historically, the HAF alliance has attempted to appear to be an organization that is committed to pluralism, and one that is liberal on the issue of caste. However, a close reading of HAF?s advocacy reports reflects a shocking level of bigotry for South Asian religious and cultural communities, especially Dalits, Adivasis,Bahujans and their religious autonomy. In a 2006 report, HAF went as far as calling Dalit representatives of the textbook campaign ?Christian Missionaries? representing themselves as Dalits.
>  
> This characterization is, of course, wrong and outright offensive.
>  
> Dalits do not ever have to justify their religious affiliations and HAF cannot legitimately call itself a tolerant organization if it brands Christian members of our community who are advocating for fair representation in California textbooks as ?missionaries.? And even if any Dalit person is a Christian that should neither be a slur, nor an indication that he or she can no longer speak as a Dalit.
>  
> HAF?s derogatory line of thought continues in its report Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste. Here, it once again reduces decades of Dalit advocacy at the UN to the work of ?Christian Missionaries.? The remainder of the report is meant less to be an indictment on the caste system and more an apology of Hinduism?s involvement in it. While no serious Dalit rights or anti-caste group ever cites this report, it is used by the HAF to gain entry into interfaith and progressive spaces.
> I have seen how HAF and its collaborators? philosophy has been reflected in its members? behavior. They have openly heckled California Board of Education representatives, Dalits, and other religious and marginalized communities who testified during the March meetings. Their demeanor was so bad that one of the writers of the History Social Science framework commented, ?the behavior from some members of the public could legitimately be classified as disrespectful and even cruel.?
>  
> As a Dalit American, I am outraged at HAF and its alliance?s attempt to co-opt the language of bullying to put forward a sanitized Hindu origin story for the entire subcontinent. In fact many of the edits HAF and its collaborators are suggesting are outright unjust. They have proposed eliminating the mention of Caste, Untouchability, Dalits, and Patriarchy from the frameworks.
>  
> The erasure of these words erase the assertions of our communities and are not at all emblematic of an organization who would fight for civil rights. Teaching untouchability by only using the words ?Untouchable? or ?Harijan? without any mention of the term we have chosen as a community - Dalit -erases centuries of assertion, and continues a language of bigotry when referring to our communities. This is no different from asking to teach the history of genocide in the Americas and using ?Indian? instead of Indigenous, or the history of slavery using the N-word.
>  
> What further muddies HAF?s arguments is that they will use any tactic to achieve their goal, including the testimonies of their children. HAF?s Executive Director, Suhag Shukla, in her recent piece: ?30 Years Later, Cultural Stereotypes in CA Textbooks Still Hurt,? attempts to portray its constituency as a mild-mannered Hindu minority sharing her hurt as a child who had to ?bear the confusion and humiliation caused by a portrayal of Hinduism and India that was so stereotyped and essentialized, that it bore no relation to my lived experience.? She suggests that rewriting California textbooks to depict Hindus and Indians in a different light will help to prevent this stereotyping. The stereotyping of any group of people is wrong, but rewriting history and censoring it selectively cannot be the way to get rid of stereotypes, as it negates the collective experiences of non-hindu religious and cultural communities throughout South Asian history.
>  
> There is little doubt that it can be difficult to be a young person of color in the US. I also went to school in the California school system and, I too was bullied by both American students and young Hindu Americans who would not acknowledge their caste privilige. However, it was because of teachers throughout my education that taught the realities of the caste system, that I had the first validation, outside of my family experience, of my Dalit identity. These teachers confirmed my family?s experience that caste apartheid, in fact exists and continues today. To be validated was extremely meaningful, especially given the vicious denial of the Hindu-American community about caste?s existence and the violence it perpetuates against Dalits, Adivasis and Bahujans. In fact, it is Suhag Shukla?s caste privilege that allows her to experience her Indian identity as caste-less, not because caste has been eradicated - a reality California textbooks must address.
>  
> Having the struggle of Dalit peoples acknowledged was a reminder for me that students deserve access to a complex history, to learn compassion, resilience, and empathy. This worldview shapes their decisions and how they interact with others when they leave the classroom. And, as our world shrinks due to technology and innovation it is essential that young people are given the most balanced, truthful account of our history.
>  
> All communities have unsavory facts. But it is a disservice to children to sanitize history for the sake of feelings. By erasing caste and patriarchy and its severity we also erase the story of Dalits, Bahujans, and Adivasis peoples, as well as the women?s movement in India. It is bigoted for the HAF alliance to refuse to acknowledge leaders from our groups who are representing our issues authentically, especially after decades of us having to hold our truth in the face of violence in India and here. It is also a vicious PR tactic to simply portray the opposition to their edits as ?activist scholars? as it is again an intentional casteist erasure of the Dalit scholars, educators, and community members who are here in the State Board process to tell our truth.
>  
> Now, more than ever it is important to call out the appropriation tactics of conservative Hindus groups on progressive social movements. While conservative Hindu children might complain about low self-esteem because of the teaching of caste, Dalit Bahujan families are being murdered, raped, and discriminated against in the face of caste apartheid and religious intolerance in South Asia. For this violence to end we must end the culture of impunity that would silence history instead of unleashing it.
> 
> With our community?s future at stake, we will not allow our history to be disappeared. We are winning because we are organized and have the power of the facts on our side. We ask then for all Californians to support the California Board of Education?s democratic process and condemn the HAF Alliance attempt to erase the facts from our textbooks.
>  
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From hhhock at illinois.edu  Thu May  5 17:27:28 2016
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Thu, 05 May 16 17:27:28 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with an inscribed object
Message-ID: <1F83A524-EC60-407E-93C1-8B6BB3BEA2BB@illinois.edu>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

A friend who is not an Indologist has asked for help in assessing an inscription on an object (image attached).
Several questions arise: 1. Does the object look genuine or could it be a fake? 2. Is the Nagari variant compatible with the date of Sa? 1354 (left vertical column)? 3. Is the language Sanskrit or a Sanskritized form of a different language? 4. Is it possible to figure out the meaning of the inscription (some of the characters are pretty worn down)?
Looking forward to responses and with all best wishes,
Hans/Hans Henrich/Hans Henrich Hock

[cid:BC260830-874A-463C-8E3E-DB5B6D3F7058 at attlocal.net]


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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Thu May  5 20:17:08 2016
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Thu, 05 May 16 20:17:08 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: [pmarc] Erasing Caste: The Battle Over California	Textbooks and Caste Apartheid / Huffington Post
In-Reply-To: <6A33D35B-E054-4FC9-8092-0C3DE8F0A8CD@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047B8194E@xm-mbx-04-prod>

The debate has now made it into the New York Times as well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/us/debate-erupts-over-californias-india-history-curriculum.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region?ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0<http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/us/debate-erupts-over-californias-india-history-curriculum.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0>


Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
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From Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu  Thu May  5 23:01:32 2016
From: Michael.Slouber at wwu.edu (Michael Slouber)
Date: Thu, 05 May 16 23:01:32 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Fwd: [pmarc] Erasing Caste: The Battle Over	California	Textbooks and Caste Apartheid / Huffington Post
In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047B8194E@xm-mbx-04-prod>
Message-ID: <7D7C0390-2665-462E-B7DF-1E5BBAFC0328@wwu.edu>

This NY Times article is helpful for actually including a photo of some of the material used in the textbook.  It is hard to evaluate this divisive issue without knowing the facts of what the textbooks say.

In the photo we see a varna-pyramid modified to include untouchables and labeled as ?Early India?s Social System.?  I wonder when the authors had in mind for ?early India.?  During much of the so-called "Vedic age" when the varna system held the most currency, much of the subcontinent was non-Aryan and so not under such a system.  Several subsequent empires, like the Mauryans, were mostly ruled by non-Hindus of obscure caste origins.  This fact alone makes one suspect the stock claim that the text says below this chart: ?A caste dictates what job you will have, whom you can marry, and with whom you can socialize.?  In my view, this sort of introduction to the caste system is simply reproducing Brahminical views of their own superiority based on a shallow reading of a small body of orthodox Sanskrit texts.

I certainly wouldn?t approve of many of the suggested changed to these textbooks, but I sympathize with the idea that sections should be consistent in their critiques of social and gender hierarchies in various civilizations.  India had and has degrading aspects that should not be ignored, but then again so did and do various other civilizations and religions.  In my teaching, I make my students reflect on social and gender inequalities in the United States (something I find most of them are not used to doing) as we encounter such issues in our studies of India.

??
Michael Slouber
Assistant Professor of South Asia
Department of Liberal Studies
Western Washington University


On ???? ?? ?, at ?:?? ???????, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>> wrote:

The debate has now made it into the New York Times as well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/us/debate-erupts-over-californias-india-history-curriculum.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region?ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0<http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/us/debate-erupts-over-californias-india-history-curriculum.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0>


Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Fri May  6 08:46:19 2016
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 08:46:19 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dharma in Buddhism
Message-ID: <20160506084619.26030.qmail@f4mail-235-222.rediffmail.com>



To All,

        

         While going through an English transalation of Asanga's  MahyanaSutralankara , I cane across a situation where Liberation or Enlightment takes place when Alaya -Vigyan blends with Dharma-Dhatau ( I.e a state where the distinction between Object and subject ceases).I have, in a number of places come across the term Dharma' whcih has variously been defined as Phenomena, state of things etc. Can anybody elaborate on the exact implication of Dharma in Buddhism.





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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Fri May  6 10:14:00 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 12:14:00 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahesh Mehta paper
Message-ID: <CALNcvFvRzFV=ZJ2fbYN1TaeT7s0Df5UCg+3Uka2ZrkH-kgRNeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends, Colleagues,

I have a copy of Mahesh Mehta's highly interesting paper: "The Evolution of
the Supar?a Saga in the Mah?bh?rata". I would like to quote from it, but
have no publication details.

Might any of you have the details?

Respectfully,

Artur Karp
Warsaw
Poland


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From nmisra at gmail.com  Fri May  6 10:39:03 2016
From: nmisra at gmail.com (Nityanand Misra)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 16:09:03 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahesh Mehta paper
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFvRzFV=ZJ2fbYN1TaeT7s0Df5UCg+3Uka2ZrkH-kgRNeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAATk=rADXE=6joo9C1R9gSY81EWsDuVND+6uJST-BqUi3zRrhg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Prof Karp

Here are the details:

The Evolution of the Supar?a Saga in the Mah?bh?rata, Journal of the
Oriental Institute, Oriental Institute Baroda, Volume 21, 1971, pp. 41?65.

Thanks, Nityanand
On May 6, 2016 3:45 PM, "Artur Karp" <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:

> Dear Friends, Colleagues,
>
> I have a copy of Mahesh Mehta's highly interesting paper: "The Evolution
> of the Supar?a Saga in the Mah?bh?rata". I would like to quote from it,
> but have no publication details.
>
> Might any of you have the details?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Artur Karp
> Warsaw
> Poland
>
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From disimone at alumni.stanford.edu  Fri May  6 10:55:59 2016
From: disimone at alumni.stanford.edu (Charles DiSimone)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 12:55:59 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dharma in Buddhism
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Dear Alakendu Das,

I'm sure someone else can give a more thorough explanation but I will quote
below a passage from Rupert Gethin's *The Buddhist Path to Awakening *(p.
148) that succinctly paraphrases Conze on this issue:

The scholarly literature on the notion of *dhamma*/*dharma* in Buddhist
thought is, not surprisingly, fairly extensive. Perhaps one of the best
succinct yet still sufficiently comprehensive accounts is found in Edward
Conze's *Buddhist Thought in India*. The Buddhist usage of the word
'dharma', Conze notes, is 'ambiguous and multivalent'. He goes on to
distinguish seven 'philosophically important' meanings which may be
summarized as: (i) (a) transcendent reality (*nirv??a*), (b) 'order of law
of the universe', (c) a truly real event ('things as seen when Dharma is
taken as norm'), (d) mental percepts (*dharm?yatana*), (e) characteristic
or property (e.g. *vaya-dharma*); (ii) moral law, right behaviour; (iii)
the texts of the Buddhist tradition (i.e. the preceding as interpreted in
the Buddha's teaching). In conclusion Conze comments:

Frequently it is not at all easy to determine which one of these various
meanings is intended in a given case ... This applies to such terms as
'Dharma-body', 'Dharma-eye', the 'analytical knowledge of Dharma', the
'investigation (*pravicaya) *into dharma(s)' *... *And once the Mah?y?na
had identified the casually interrelated dharmas with the one and only
Dharma, the very distinction between 'dharma' and 'dharmas' had to be
abandoned.

Conze, then, identifies various nuances of the word dharma and also
suggests that the different nuances are by no means mutually exclusive.
Conze finally points out that any difference in interpretation between the
schools is 'more one of emphasis than of opinion'. Indeed, it seems to me
that the identification of 'causally interrelated dharmas with the one and
only Dharma' must be considered virtually complete already in the Nik?yas.


Best wishes,

Charles

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 10:46 AM, alakendu das <
mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com> wrote:

>
> To All,
>
> While going through an English transalation of Asanga's
> MahyanaSutralankara , I cane across a situation where Liberation or
> Enlightment takes place when Alaya -Vigyan blends with Dharma-Dhatau ( I.e
> a state where the distinction between Object and subject ceases).I have, in
> a number of places come across the term Dharma' whcih has variously been
> defined as Phenomena, state of things etc. Can anybody elaborate on the
> exact implication of Dharma in Buddhism.
>
>
> ALAKENDU DAS.
>
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Promotionsprogramm Buddhismus-Studien
Institut f?r Indologie und Tibetologie
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit?t M?nchen


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From richardgombrich at mac.com  Fri May  6 11:44:32 2016
From: richardgombrich at mac.com (Richard Gombrich)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 12:44:32 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Dharma in Buddhism
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This can get endlessly complicated. So it may be helpful if I offer a simple answer. Dharma in Buddhism is what the Buddha taught, and that covers both what the world is like and how we should try to live.

Richard Gombrich

 
> On 6 May 2016, at 09:46, alakendu das <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> To All,
> 
> While going through an English transalation of Asanga's MahyanaSutralankara , I cane across a situation where Liberation or Enlightment takes place when Alaya -Vigyan blends with Dharma-Dhatau ( I.e a state where the distinction between Object and subject ceases).I have, in a number of places come across the term Dharma' whcih has variously been defined as Phenomena, state of things etc. Can anybody elaborate on the exact implication of Dharma in Buddhism.
> 
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From hhhock at illinois.edu  Fri May  6 15:12:04 2016
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 15:12:04 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with an inscribed object
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Thanks for letting me know?apparently one of those incompatibility problems (when I got my copy of the message, there was a big question mark where the image should have been).

Let me try again and let?s hope this time around it works.

Best wishes,

Hans Henrich Hock




On 6 May 2016, at 01:41, Christophe Vielle <christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be<mailto:christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be>> wrote:

It seems that the attachment did not come with the message on the list.
Regards,
Christophe Vielle

Le 5 mai 2016 ? 19:27, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu<mailto:hhhock at illinois.edu>> a ?crit :

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

A friend who is not an Indologist has asked for help in assessing an inscription on an object (image attached).
Several questions arise: 1. Does the object look genuine or could it be a fake? 2. Is the Nagari variant compatible with the date of Sa? 1354 (left vertical column)? 3. Is the language Sanskrit or a Sanskritized form of a different language? 4. Is it possible to figure out the meaning of the inscription (some of the characters are pretty worn down)?
Looking forward to responses and with all best wishes,
Hans/Hans Henrich/Hans Henrich Hock

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From hhhock at illinois.edu  Fri May  6 15:18:55 2016
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 15:18:55 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with an inscribed object -- one more try
Message-ID: <4970E6F4-46E0-42A0-8EA6-136449ECE9DB@illinois.edu>

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

A friend who is not an Indologist has asked for help in assessing an inscription on an object (image attached).
Several questions arise: 1. Does the object look genuine or could it be a fake? 2. Is the Nagari variant compatible with the date of Sa? 1354 (left vertical column)? 3. Is the language Sanskrit or a Sanskritized form of a different language? 4. Is it possible to figure out the meaning of the inscription (some of the characters are pretty worn down)?
Looking forward to responses and with all best wishes,
Hans/Hans Henrich/Hans Henrich Hock

[cid:F4A328E5-4443-402B-812D-EE50076DCC27 at attlocal.net]

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From jpo at austin.utexas.edu  Fri May  6 15:54:30 2016
From: jpo at austin.utexas.edu (Olivelle, J P)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 15:54:30 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with an inscribed object -- one more try
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Hans: you have given only the back of the image, but this looks like a Jain image ? many such images are in existence with the same time of inscriptions in the back. Actually, I also have one with a date somewhat later than this. I think Losty, formerly of the British Museum, has published a book containing similar images. I will try to dig that up for you.

Best,

Patrick



On May 6, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu<mailto:hhhock at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

A friend who is not an Indologist has asked for help in assessing an inscription on an object (image attached).
Several questions arise: 1. Does the object look genuine or could it be a fake? 2. Is the Nagari variant compatible with the date of Sa? 1354 (left vertical column)? 3. Is the language Sanskrit or a Sanskritized form of a different language? 4. Is it possible to figure out the meaning of the inscription (some of the characters are pretty worn down)?
Looking forward to responses and with all best wishes,
Hans/Hans Henrich/Hans Henrich Hock

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From corinnawessels at yahoo.de  Fri May  6 18:29:24 2016
From: corinnawessels at yahoo.de (Corinna Wessels-Mevissen)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 18:29:24 +0000
Subject: Early Representations of OM
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Dear All,

A colleague of mine, who is not a List member, Prof. Doris M. Srinivasan, asks the following question on the part of a recent?Harvard?PhD, who worked on the development of OM in the Vedas:
"Does any one have knowledge and/or references regarding the imagery (sculpture; images on manuscripts; any sort of visual renderings) of OM from any period through the medieval period?"
Kindly either write to her directly (dmswh at earthlink.net), to me off-list, or to the List, of course. Thank you!
Best wishes,
Corinna Wessels-Mevissen


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Fri May  6 18:40:13 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 00:10:13 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Early Representations of OM
In-Reply-To: <mailman.687.1462559410.25572.indology_list.indology.info@list.indology.info>
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There was a thread on this.

This post thee:

http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042599.html

should be useful to her.

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Corinna Wessels-Mevissen <corinnawessels at yahoo.de>
> To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Early Representations of OM
> Dear All,
>
> A colleague of mine, who is not a List member, Prof. Doris M. Srinivasan,
> asks the following question on the part of a recent Harvard PhD, who worked
> on the development of OM in the Vedas:
>
> "Does any one have knowledge and/or references regarding the imagery
> (sculpture; images on manuscripts; any sort of visual renderings) of OM
> from any period through the medieval period?"
>
> Kindly either write to her directly (dmswh at earthlink.net), to me
> off-list, or to the List, of course. Thank you!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen
>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Fri May  6 18:49:41 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 00:19:41 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Early Representations of OM
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eYQbN3EOUM5qFzuF=RQcud_zDSA+XAb-dDJDtbTU+5wEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eYSOdWyCfrwU6WyiUJEu3D34PuFN=TC-34FrFJV8NMoHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ganesh-Vidya: The Traditional Indian Approach to Phonetic Writing by L. S.
Wakankar has a discussion on the shape of om.

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> There was a thread on this.
>
> This post thee:
>
>
> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042599.html
>
> should be useful to her.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>> committee)
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Corinna Wessels-Mevissen <corinnawessels at yahoo.de>
>> To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
>> Subject: Early Representations of OM
>> Dear All,
>>
>> A colleague of mine, who is not a List member, Prof. Doris M. Srinivasan,
>> asks the following question on the part of a recent Harvard PhD, who worked
>> on the development of OM in the Vedas:
>>
>> "Does any one have knowledge and/or references regarding the imagery
>> (sculpture; images on manuscripts; any sort of visual renderings) of OM
>> from any period through the medieval period?"
>>
>> Kindly either write to her directly (dmswh at earthlink.net), to me
>> off-list, or to the List, of course. Thank you!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Fri May  6 18:54:40 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 00:24:40 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Early Representations of OM
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eYSOdWyCfrwU6WyiUJEu3D34PuFN=TC-34FrFJV8NMoHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ebda5A9VUeCxQnUrZGb1ksZTP2Pix-iyN3e_ARFC+JoXQ@mail.gmail.com>

In

http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042596.html

Harry Spier thanked list members for sending articles on OM.

Contacting him should be helpful to her.

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ganesh-Vidya: The Traditional Indian Approach to Phonetic Writing by L.
> S. Wakankar has a discussion on the shape of om.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There was a thread on this.
>>
>> This post thee:
>>
>>
>> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042599.html
>>
>> should be useful to her.
>>
>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
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>>> committee)
>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Corinna Wessels-Mevissen <corinnawessels at yahoo.de>
>>> To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Subject: Early Representations of OM
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> A colleague of mine, who is not a List member, Prof. Doris M.
>>> Srinivasan, asks the following question on the part of a
>>> recent Harvard PhD, who worked on the development of OM in the Vedas:
>>>
>>> "Does any one have knowledge and/or references regarding the imagery
>>> (sculpture; images on manuscripts; any sort of visual renderings) of OM
>>> from any period through the medieval period?"
>>>
>>> Kindly either write to her directly (dmswh at earthlink.net), to me
>>> off-list, or to the List, of course. Thank you!
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Fri May  6 19:36:45 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 01:06:45 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Early Representations of OM
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9ebda5A9VUeCxQnUrZGb1ksZTP2Pix-iyN3e_ARFC+JoXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ebb81wS0BOg+F3=8PchGW-bDFOnE0uaG7xJOF4qfdQ-0A@mail.gmail.com>

Three Grants of Land,  inscribed on copper plate, found at Ujjayani

And presented by Major James, Tod to the Royal Asiatic Society, 1825

Is at

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=WJheAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=om+inscribed&source=bl&ots=cRl-Vt03ZO&sig=z69zjhDzq4xqi8y8M81RVuTL0Po&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiA_8aQlcbMAhWBJJQKHVOsAicQ6AEIUDAL#v=onepage&q&f=false

All the three inscriptions (12th century AD) have Om Tat Sat.

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> In
>
>
> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042596.html
>
> Harry Spier thanked list members for sending articles on OM.
>
> Contacting him should be helpful to her.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ganesh-Vidya: The Traditional Indian Approach to Phonetic Writing by L.
>> S. Wakankar has a discussion on the shape of om.
>>
>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a thread on this.
>>>
>>> This post thee:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042599.html
>>>
>>> should be useful to her.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Corinna Wessels-Mevissen <corinnawessels at yahoo.de>
>>>> To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> Subject: Early Representations of OM
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> A colleague of mine, who is not a List member, Prof. Doris M.
>>>> Srinivasan, asks the following question on the part of a
>>>> recent Harvard PhD, who worked on the development of OM in the Vedas:
>>>>
>>>> "Does any one have knowledge and/or references regarding the imagery
>>>> (sculpture; images on manuscripts; any sort of visual renderings) of OM
>>>> from any period through the medieval period?"
>>>>
>>>> Kindly either write to her directly (dmswh at earthlink.net), to me
>>>> off-list, or to the List, of course. Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From hermantull at gmail.com  Fri May  6 21:18:39 2016
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 17:18:39 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about an inscribed object
Message-ID: <CAFdBLNj35PP_jxUgHX+LVvPeztqPKQH5aYPEc61ESNepOQT-Jw@mail.gmail.com>

A student sent me the image below, asking if I could translate it.  I'm
used to devanagari in printed texts, and, while I can make out most of it,
I am not at all sure what all the letter-signs even are.  Further, I have
no idea what the language it is. If anyone can read and translate this, I
would appreciate the help.



[image: Inline image 3][image: Inline image 4]


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri May  6 22:05:32 2016
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 16:05:32 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Post-doc fellowship offered
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CefP+B41_vFt9h=TKVwO1Gh079hJS639=vba4R6dNpG2Q@mail.gmail.com>

The Banting Postdoctoral Fellowship
<http://banting.fellowships-bourses.gc.ca/en/home-accueil.html> is a
prestigious two-year
?research grant ?
program offered at Canadian universities
?,?
aimed at the highest-calibre
?recent PhDs
from Canada and abroad
?.?

The University of Alberta has just advertised it's Banting Postdoctoral
Fellowship application procedure for September 2017 submissions.  The
application procedure is somewhat complex, with applications first being
prepared through the University of Alberta, and only then being submitted
onwards to the relevant Canadian Research Council.

The University of Alberta's procedures are described here:

   - http://www.postdoc.ualberta.ca/FundingandFellowships/Banting.aspx

There are numerous eligibility criteria, including the requirement
?that a
pplicants to the 2017 program must fulfill or have fulfilled all degree
requirements for a PhD between September 21, 2013 and September 30, 2017.

If you think you would like to apply for a Banting Fellowship to work on an
indological topic at the University of Alberta, please contact me
personally in the first instance.  Competition is tough, and the
application is a two-stage process with the preliminary application package
due on June 10, 2016. Those preliminary packages will be reviewed by
adjudication committees; selected nominees will be instructed on submission
of the full application package by August 31, 2016.

Sincerely,
Dominik Wujastyk

--
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Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
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From emstern at verizon.net  Fri May  6 23:40:14 2016
From: emstern at verizon.net (Elliot Stern)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 19:40:14 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with an inscribed object
In-Reply-To: <1F83A524-EC60-407E-93C1-8B6BB3BEA2BB@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <096D1C2A-0D03-4645-AD00-CB6D357DE521@verizon.net>

Hans,

I have the same problem on my Mac that Christophe reports, but I can see the image on my i-Phone. I have seen similar n?gar? script in at least one manuscript with a similar date, but I can?t say more until I see the image on a bigger screen.

Is it possible that this is an emergent technical problem on the Indology listserve server?


Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
emstern at verizon.net

> On 05 May  2016, at 13:27, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
> 
> A friend who is not an Indologist has asked for help in assessing an inscription on an object (image attached).
> 
> Several questions arise: 1. Does the object look genuine or could it be a fake? 2. Is the Nagari variant compatible with the date of Sa? 1354 (left vertical column)? 3. Is the language Sanskrit or a Sanskritized form of a different language? 4. Is it possible to figure out the meaning of the inscription (some of the characters are pretty worn down)? 
> 
> Looking forward to responses and with all best wishes, 
> 
> Hans/Hans Henrich/Hans Henrich Hock 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From hermantull at gmail.com  Sat May  7 00:06:43 2016
From: hermantull at gmail.com (Herman Tull)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 20:06:43 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about an inscribed object
In-Reply-To: <CAFdBLNg3WtCwdD+ESg6akyMV=LOoefz9FvjcQ-xatE4CooNZig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFdBLNhqPc9yWKPe6djb599_SR1SopFkbzOJrkVtMMWcAqXvYA@mail.gmail.com>

I've been told the images didn't appear.  Here is another attempt.

What is the object? Also, help with the translation will be appreciated.

Herman Tull






?

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:

> Elliott,
>
> I stripped away some elements; hopefully, this will work.
>
> Also, I am attaching it for you.  If you can see it, do you know what it
> is?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Herman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Elliot Stern <emstern at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Herman,
>>
>> My Mac doesn?t display the images. In this reply, the message missing
>> plug-in replaces the question marks in the message I received. If I need a
>> plug-in, what is it?
>>
>> Elliot M. Stern
>> 552 South 48th Street
>> Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
>> United States of America
>> telephone: 215-747-6204
>> mobile: 267-240-8418
>> emstern at verizon.net
>>
>> On 06 May  2016, at 17:18, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A student sent me the image below, asking if I could translate it.  I'm
>> used to devanagari in printed texts, and, while I can make out most of it,
>> I am not at all sure what all the letter-signs even are.  Further, I have
>> no idea what the language it is. If anyone can read and translate this, I
>> would appreciate the help.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
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From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Sat May  7 00:36:56 2016
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Fri, 06 May 16 20:36:56 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Early Representations of OM
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9ebda5A9VUeCxQnUrZGb1ksZTP2Pix-iyN3e_ARFC+JoXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPW7aQF0gLJ=ZfxwHqcVUo1psYXt4mUSAXMdyRyfKzPLfKLsUw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm more than happy to forward the articles sent to me on OM but none
of them were about the representation of OM.

Harry Spier

On 5/6/16, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
> In
>
> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042596.html
>
> Harry Spier thanked list members for sending articles on OM.
>
> Contacting him should be helpful to her.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ganesh-Vidya: The Traditional Indian Approach to Phonetic Writing by L.
>> S. Wakankar has a discussion on the shape of om.
>>
>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a thread on this.
>>>
>>> This post thee:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042599.html
>>>
>>> should be useful to her.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Corinna Wessels-Mevissen <corinnawessels at yahoo.de>
>>>> To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> Subject: Early Representations of OM
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> A colleague of mine, who is not a List member, Prof. Doris M.
>>>> Srinivasan, asks the following question on the part of a
>>>> recent Harvard PhD, who worked on the development of OM in the Vedas:
>>>>
>>>> "Does any one have knowledge and/or references regarding the imagery
>>>> (sculpture; images on manuscripts; any sort of visual renderings) of OM
>>>> from any period through the medieval period?"
>>>>
>>>> Kindly either write to her directly (dmswh at earthlink.net), to me
>>>> off-list, or to the List, of course. Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>





From alanus1216 at yahoo.com  Sat May  7 01:12:13 2016
From: alanus1216 at yahoo.com (Allen Thrasher)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 01:12:13 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about an inscribed object
In-Reply-To: <CAFdBLNhqPc9yWKPe6djb599_SR1SopFkbzOJrkVtMMWcAqXvYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <869818996.134643.1462583533727.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

How do the two things sticking out of either side ?that look like triggers move or work? ?Can the internal mechanism if any be described, photographed, or diagrammed? ?Answers to these might help to guess the function or nature of the object.
Allen

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Herman Tull<hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:   I've been told the images didn't appear.? Here is another attempt.

What is the object? Also, help with the translation will be appreciated.
Herman Tull





?

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:

Elliott,
I stripped away some elements; hopefully, this will work.
Also, I am attaching it for you.? If you can see it, do you know what it is?
Thanks,
Herman







On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Elliot Stern <emstern at verizon.net> wrote:

Herman,
My Mac doesn?t display the images. In this reply, the message missing plug-in replaces the question marks in the message I received. If I need a plug-in, what is it??
Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
emstern at verizon.net

On 06 May ?2016, at 17:18, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:
A student sent me the image below, asking if I could translate it.? I'm used to devanagari in printed texts, and, while I can make out most of it, I am not at all sure what all the letter-signs even are.? Further, I have no idea what the language it is. If anyone can read and translate this, I would appreciate the help.



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From nmisra at gmail.com  Sat May  7 01:46:16 2016
From: nmisra at gmail.com (Nityanand Misra)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 07:16:16 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about an inscribed object
In-Reply-To: <CAFdBLNhqPc9yWKPe6djb599_SR1SopFkbzOJrkVtMMWcAqXvYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAATk=rC9OrpJo+07ja5RCofLKw76be5wOH0DqjNS5dta9tBAkQ@mail.gmail.com>

It reads (with spaces added)

?????? ??? ?????? [?] ??? ?????? ??? ?????

?????? = Artisan
??? ?????? [?] = Name of the artisan Vira Nanare [?]
??? ?????? = Native of Jodhpur
??? ????? = Of the Suthar (carpenter) caste

The language is Hindi/Rajasthani, and the text simply gives the name of the
artisan who made this. This carpenter was from Jodhpur and belonged to the
Suthar (carpenter) community.

Looks like a hand made gun or pistol from Rajasthan.


On 7 May 2016 at 05:36, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been told the images didn't appear.  Here is another attempt.
>
> What is the object? Also, help with the translation will be appreciated.
>
> Herman Tull
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
>
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From nmisra at gmail.com  Sat May  7 03:00:41 2016
From: nmisra at gmail.com (Nityanand Misra)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 08:30:41 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with an inscribed object -- one more try
In-Reply-To: <AD583587-DD31-4C84-85D3-EA400614C16F@austin.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CAATk=rDntmpe=2mdM2_3K7V11-CK9pBP8zc3_id48h1JHHuBJw@mail.gmail.com>

I concur with Prof. Olivelle, it seems to be of Jain origins. While not all
characters can be made out, but one can note something like
?????????????????????[?]?????? in the third and second lines from
bottom. ???????????? and ???? would indicate reference to a Jain saint.

On 6 May 2016 at 21:24, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

> Hans: you have given only the back of the image, but this looks like a
> Jain image ? many such images are in existence with the same time of
> inscriptions in the back. Actually, I also have one with a date somewhat
> later than this. I think Losty, formerly of the British Museum, has
> published a book containing similar images. I will try to dig that up for
> you.
>
> Best,
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On May 6, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
>
> A friend who is not an Indologist has asked for help in assessing an
> inscription on an object (image attached).
>
> Several questions arise: 1. Does the object look genuine or could it be a
> fake? 2. Is the Nagari variant compatible with the date of Sa? 1354 (left
> vertical column)? 3. Is the language Sanskrit or a Sanskritized form of a
> different language? 4. Is it possible to figure out the meaning of the
> inscription (some of the characters are pretty worn down)?
>
> Looking forward to responses and with all best wishes,
> Hans/Hans Henrich/Hans Henrich Hock
>
> <13178584_10153614609788181_8447424678802082905_n.jpg>
>
> 13178584_10153614609788181_8447424678802082905_n
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> committee)
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sat May  7 04:00:50 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 09:30:50 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Early Representations of OM
In-Reply-To: <CAPW7aQF0gLJ=ZfxwHqcVUo1psYXt4mUSAXMdyRyfKzPLfKLsUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eb6RCR7FBV9BkCHEQBxxukHdHLfXQ8pxDLhgJ2wg=GOww@mail.gmail.com>

There is an interesting proposal for the Brahmi representation of Om in
this conversation here:

https://www.quora.com/Ancient-India-How-was-the-symbol-OM-written-in-Brahmi-script

One Kingsley Jegan Joseph writes here :

If it was written (I haven't seen one actually written in an inscription),
it would look something like this.
[image: Inline image 1]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm more than happy to forward the articles sent to me on OM but none
> of them were about the representation of OM.
>
> Harry Spier
>
> On 5/6/16, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > In
> >
> >
> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042596.html
> >
> > Harry Spier thanked list members for sending articles on OM.
> >
> > Contacting him should be helpful to her.
> >
> > On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ganesh-Vidya: The Traditional Indian Approach to Phonetic Writing by L.
> >> S. Wakankar has a discussion on the shape of om.
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <
> nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> There was a thread on this.
> >>>
> >>> This post thee:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042599.html
> >>>
> >>> should be useful to her.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen via INDOLOGY
> <
> >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
> >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> >>>> committee)
> >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
> >>>> or unsubscribe)
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>> From: Corinna Wessels-Mevissen <corinnawessels at yahoo.de>
> >>>> To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
> >>>> Cc:
> >>>> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
> >>>> Subject: Early Representations of OM
> >>>> Dear All,
> >>>>
> >>>> A colleague of mine, who is not a List member, Prof. Doris M.
> >>>> Srinivasan, asks the following question on the part of a
> >>>> recent Harvard PhD, who worked on the development of OM in the Vedas:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Does any one have knowledge and/or references regarding the imagery
> >>>> (sculpture; images on manuscripts; any sort of visual renderings) of
> OM
> >>>> from any period through the medieval period?"
> >>>>
> >>>> Kindly either write to her directly (dmswh at earthlink.net), to me
> >>>> off-list, or to the List, of course. Thank you!
> >>>>
> >>>> Best wishes,
> >>>>
> >>>> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Nagaraj Paturi
> >>>
> >>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
> >>>
> >>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
> >>>
> >>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> >>>
> >>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Nagaraj Paturi
> >>
> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
> >>
> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
> >>
> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> >>
> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nagaraj Paturi
> >
> > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
> >
> > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
> >
> > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> >
> > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
> >
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From tylerwwilliams at gmail.com  Sat May  7 05:41:26 2016
From: tylerwwilliams at gmail.com (Tyler Williams)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 00:41:26 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about an inscribed object
In-Reply-To: <mailman.812.1462583579.25572.indology_list.indology.info@list.indology.info>
Message-ID: <CAHRgzy3iBqx6ecWZiwXp9XGEGYE1NGQF-+VmFD8-BkXuPKELtA@mail.gmail.com>

Slight correction:

The text reads ?? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ?? k?r?gar v?r
bh??? re v?s jodhapur j?t suth?r
('re' being a postposition denoting possession)

Parts of the object may well have been a weapon at some point, but it is
doubtful that its current form would have worked as such.  The hinged mouth
and modern filister bolt on one end make it unlikely that anything could
have been discharged from that side; unless the large ring on the other
side could be removed (like a plug), it also seems an unlikely muzzle.
Still, stranger looking objects have functioned as weapons.  (And many
parts of decorative and useful objects were and are still repurposed in
Rajasthan.)

Best,
Tyler



On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Allen Thrasher via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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> committee)
> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
> unsubscribe)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Allen Thrasher <alanus1216 at yahoo.com>
> To: Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com>, Indology <
> indology at list.indology.info>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 01:12:13 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] query about an inscribed object
> How do the two things sticking out of either side  that look like triggers
> move or work?  Can the internal mechanism if any be described,
> photographed, or diagrammed?  Answers to these might help to guess the
> function or nature of the object.
>
> Allen
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Herman Tull
> <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been told the images didn't appear.  Here is another attempt.
>
> What is the object? Also, help with the translation will be appreciated.
>
> Herman Tull
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Elliott,
>>
>> I stripped away some elements; hopefully, this will work.
>>
>> Also, I am attaching it for you.  If you can see it, do you know what it
>> is?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Herman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Elliot Stern <emstern at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Herman,
>>>
>>> My Mac doesn?t display the images. In this reply, the message missing
>>> plug-in replaces the question marks in the message I received. If I need a
>>> plug-in, what is it?
>>>
>>> Elliot M. Stern
>>> 552 South 48th Street
>>> Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
>>> United States of America
>>> telephone: 215-747-6204
>>> mobile: 267-240-8418
>>> emstern at verizon.net
>>>
>>> On 06 May  2016, at 17:18, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A student sent me the image below, asking if I could translate it.  I'm
>>> used to devanagari in printed texts, and, while I can make out most of it,
>>> I am not at all sure what all the letter-signs even are.  Further, I have
>>> no idea what the language it is. If anyone can read and translate this, I
>>> would appreciate the help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Sat May  7 07:12:57 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 12:42:57 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Early Representations of OM
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eb6RCR7FBV9BkCHEQBxxukHdHLfXQ8pxDLhgJ2wg=GOww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eaE0NtXTufMPQQ=OZq5BXByH_KXRPz6Yd5v=+FdNkZ42Q@mail.gmail.com>

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranganathaswamy_Temple,_Srirangam
has the following description.
"The *vimanam
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimana_(architectural_feature)>* (shrine
over the sanctum sanctorum), the Ranga *vimana* is shaped like *omkara
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omkara>* (om symbol) and is plated with
gold."
Similar descriptions of Vimana being in Pranava shape is given for many
Tamil Nadu temples.
e.g. here:
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=GTMTQLuCNSMC&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=ancient+temple+om+shape&source=bl&ots=bBvUihgOMi&sig=usYmgy4MXCL4dNcyu-HJ1DpaUSc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9yu2QksfMAhVGk5QKHQKtAYU4ChDoAQgaMAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> There is an interesting proposal for the Brahmi representation of Om in
> this conversation here:
>
>
> https://www.quora.com/Ancient-India-How-was-the-symbol-OM-written-in-Brahmi-script
>
> One Kingsley Jegan Joseph writes here :
>
> If it was written (I haven't seen one actually written in an inscription),
> it would look something like this.
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm more than happy to forward the articles sent to me on OM but none
>> of them were about the representation of OM.
>>
>> Harry Spier
>>
>> On 5/6/16, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In
>> >
>> >
>> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042596.html
>> >
>> > Harry Spier thanked list members for sending articles on OM.
>> >
>> > Contacting him should be helpful to her.
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <
>> nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ganesh-Vidya: The Traditional Indian Approach to Phonetic Writing by L.
>> >> S. Wakankar has a discussion on the shape of om.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <
>> nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> There was a thread on this.
>> >>>
>> >>> This post thee:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042599.html
>> >>>
>> >>> should be useful to her.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen via
>> INDOLOGY <
>> >>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> >>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> >>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> >>>> committee)
>> >>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>> options
>> >>>> or unsubscribe)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>> From: Corinna Wessels-Mevissen <corinnawessels at yahoo.de>
>> >>>> To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
>> >>>> Cc:
>> >>>> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
>> >>>> Subject: Early Representations of OM
>> >>>> Dear All,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A colleague of mine, who is not a List member, Prof. Doris M.
>> >>>> Srinivasan, asks the following question on the part of a
>> >>>> recent Harvard PhD, who worked on the development of OM in the Vedas:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Does any one have knowledge and/or references regarding the imagery
>> >>>> (sculpture; images on manuscripts; any sort of visual renderings) of
>> OM
>> >>>> from any period through the medieval period?"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kindly either write to her directly (dmswh at earthlink.net), to me
>> >>>> off-list, or to the List, of course. Thank you!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best wishes,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Nagaraj Paturi
>> >>>
>> >>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>> >>>
>> >>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>> >>>
>> >>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>> >>>
>> >>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Nagaraj Paturi
>> >>
>> >> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>> >>
>> >> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>> >>
>> >> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>> >>
>> >> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Nagaraj Paturi
>> >
>> > Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>> >
>> > Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>> >
>> > FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>> >
>> > (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From Johannes.Bronkhorst at unil.ch  Sat May  7 08:00:00 2016
From: Johannes.Bronkhorst at unil.ch (Johannes Bronkhorst)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 08:00:00 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Thanks
Message-ID: <CC11C3D3-D10F-46C6-B561-F9A42E2B2392@unil.ch>

Dear friends and colleagues,

Also on behalf of Amy Heller, I would like to thank all those who responded to my question about page numbering in certain medieval manuscripts.

Johannes Bronkhorst


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From corinnawessels at yahoo.de  Sat May  7 09:32:55 2016
From: corinnawessels at yahoo.de (Corinna Wessels-Mevissen)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 09:32:55 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Thank_you_=E2=80=93_Early_Representations_of_OM?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eaE0NtXTufMPQQ=OZq5BXByH_KXRPz6Yd5v=+FdNkZ42Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <362452567.203164.1462613575309.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you very much, dear Colleagues, for sending us various pieces of information and comments on the topic! If anything else should come to your knowledge, please keep on forwarding it.
Regards,
Corinna Wessels-Mevissen      Von: Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
 An: Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> 
CC: Corinna Wessels-Mevissen <corinnawessels at yahoo.de>; "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
 Gesendet: 9:12 Samstag, 7.Mai 2016
 Betreff: Re: [INDOLOGY] Early Representations of OM
   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranganathaswamy_Temple,_Srirangam has the following description. "The vimanam(shrine over the sanctum sanctorum), the Ranga vimana is shaped like omkara (om symbol) and is plated withgold."Similar descriptions of Vimana being in Pranava shape is given for many Tamil Nadu temples.e.g. here:https://books.google.co.in/books?id=GTMTQLuCNSMC&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=ancient+temple+om+shape&source=bl&ots=bBvUihgOMi&sig=usYmgy4MXCL4dNcyu-HJ1DpaUSc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9yu2QksfMAhVGk5QKHQKtAYU4ChDoAQgaMAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:

There is an interesting proposal for the Brahmi representation of Om in this conversation here:
https://www.quora.com/Ancient-India-How-was-the-symbol-OM-written-in-Brahmi-script
One Kingsley Jegan Josephwrites here :
If it was written (I haven't seen one actually written in an inscription), it would look something like this.

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote:

I'm more than happy to forward the articles sent to me on OM but none
of them were about the representation of OM.

Harry Spier

On 5/6/16, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
> In
>
> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042596.html
>
> Harry Spier thanked list members for sending articles on OM.
>
> Contacting him should be helpful to her.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ganesh-Vidya: The Traditional Indian Approach to Phonetic Writing by L.
>> S. Wakankar has a discussion on the shape of om.
>>
>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a thread on this.
>>>
>>> This post thee:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://list.indology.info/pipermail/indology_list.indology.info/2016-January/042599.html
>>>
>>> should be useful to her.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Corinna Wessels-Mevissen via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Corinna Wessels-Mevissen <corinnawessels at yahoo.de>
>>>> To: "indology at list.indology.info" <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> Subject: Early Representations of OM
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> A colleague of mine, who is not a List member, Prof. Doris M.
>>>> Srinivasan, asks the following question on the part of a
>>>> recent Harvard PhD, who worked on the development of OM in the Vedas:
>>>>
>>>> "Does any one have knowledge and/or references regarding the imagery
>>>> (sculpture; images on manuscripts; any sort of visual renderings) of OM
>>>> from any period through the medieval period?"
>>>>
>>>> Kindly either write to her directly (dmswh at earthlink.net), to me
>>>> off-list, or to the List, of course. Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Corinna Wessels-Mevissen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of? Liberal Education,
>>>
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


  


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From swright at nalandauniv.edu.in  Sat May  7 11:41:36 2016
From: swright at nalandauniv.edu.in (Samuel Wright)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 17:11:36 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Two Articles by Suresh Chandra Banerji
Message-ID: <CADaCuGepFd3LzSiFKteyAnQo6mUE8TCijvMfGAc56YfD8r5gCw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

I'm looking for two short articles that are not available in my library:

Banerji, Suresh Chandra. "Minor Smrti Writers of Bengal, " *Indian
Historical Quarterly* 33, 1957, 191-200.

Banerji, Suresh Chandra. "Post-Raghunandana Smrti Writers of Bengal," *New
Indian Antiquary*, Vol. 7, 1944/45, 105-110.


If someone is able and willing to share a scan of either or both of these
articles, it would be very much appreciated.

Best,
Sam

Rajgir, Bihar





Samuel Wright
Assistant Professor
School of Historical Studies
Nalanda University
Pin - 803 116
Rajgir, Dist: Nalanda
Bihar, India

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From harshadehejia at hotmail.com  Sat May  7 11:46:23 2016
From: harshadehejia at hotmail.com (Harsha Dehejia)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 07:46:23 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Muslim Vaishnavas of Bengal
Message-ID: <BLU185-W166264CB56B2BD5536DFD6A07E0@phx.gbl>

Friends:
One of my students is working on Muslim Vaishnavas of Bengal.
I would be grateful for any starting points for this study.
Kind regards,
HarshaProf. Harsha V. DehejiaOttawa, ON., Canada. 		 	   		  


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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Sat May  7 12:46:46 2016
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (Patrick Mccartney)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 22:46:46 +1000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Symbology of Om
Message-ID: <960197C7-FC64-40CA-8D13-A26E5B768C98@gmail.com>

Dear Corinna, 

I came across this image just now on Twitter #ancientindianscience




Patrick 

Sent from my left foot




From dominic.goodall at gmail.com  Sat May  7 13:24:15 2016
From: dominic.goodall at gmail.com (Dominic Goodall)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 15:24:15 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Symbology of Om
In-Reply-To: <960197C7-FC64-40CA-8D13-A26E5B768C98@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E3473372-7D9E-4752-9927-E977F6E56185@gmail.com>

Dear Corinna,

It?s quite common to see a representation of O? at the top of inscribed stelae from the Khmer-speaking world in the Angkorean period and also on the headdresses of some sculpted figures.
I hope that the image I am attaching will come through; it is a picture of the headdress of a dv?rap?laka in the Bangkok National Museum about which the Museum label says: ?Guardian. Khmer art, Baphuon style, 11th century A.D. Found at Prasat Muang Tum, Prakonchai District, Burirum Province.? The candra and the ?ikh?, suggesting, I suppose, Mantram?rga influence, are both clearly visible.

But perhaps you are primarily looking for examples from the subcontinental mainland ?

Dominic


> On 07-May-2016, at 2:46 PM, Patrick Mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Corinna, 
> 
> I came across this image just now on Twitter #ancientindianscience
> 
> 
> 
> Patrick 
> 
> Sent from my left foot_______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
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From fmgerety at fas.harvard.edu  Sat May  7 15:32:29 2016
From: fmgerety at fas.harvard.edu (Moore Gerety, Finnian McKean)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 15:32:29 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Symbology of Om
In-Reply-To: <E3473372-7D9E-4752-9927-E977F6E56185@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69E134EB-E4FB-40DB-8D2F-097A61810DF5@fas.harvard.edu>

Hello Corinna (and colleagues),
Thank you for posting this query to the list on my behalf. Having studied the early development of OM in Vedic texts and rituals, I am curious to know about the syllable?s further development in epigraphy, manuscripts, and iconography in India and beyond. (Admittedly a broad question!) Apart from one or two articles (for instance Boeles 1947 ?The Migration of the Mystic Syllable O?.? India Antiqua, J.P. Voegel festschrift, pp. 40-56. Leiden: Brill), there seem to be very few publications on these aspects of the syllable?s history, and so the images, citations and other suggestions forwarded by colleagues thus far are very valuable. Please do keep sending along information as it occurs to you.

yours,
Finnian

Finnian M.M. Gerety
Visiting Assistant Professor // Department of Religious Studies, Brown University

On May 7, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Dominic Goodall <dominic.goodall at gmail.com<mailto:dominic.goodall at gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Corinna,

It?s quite common to see a representation of O? at the top of inscribed stelae from the Khmer-speaking world in the Angkorean period and also on the headdresses of some sculpted figures.
I hope that the image I am attaching will come through; it is a picture of the headdress of a dv?rap?laka in the Bangkok National Museum about which the Museum label says: ?Guardian. Khmer art, Baphuon style, 11th century A.D. Found at Prasat Muang Tum, Prakonchai District, Burirum Province.? The candra and the ?ikh?, suggesting, I suppose, Mantram?rga influence, are both clearly visible.

But perhaps you are primarily looking for examples from the subcontinental mainland ?

Dominic

<IMG_2785.jpeg>

On 07-May-2016, at 2:46 PM, Patrick Mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com<mailto:psdmccartney at gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Corinna,

I came across this image just now on Twitter #ancientindianscience



Patrick

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From rajam at earthlink.net  Sat May  7 19:29:38 2016
From: rajam at earthlink.net (rajam)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 12:29:38 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Symbology of Om
In-Reply-To: <69E134EB-E4FB-40DB-8D2F-097A61810DF5@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <4CEEA8F2-B6DB-4F50-81ED-9EA09A403DC6@earthlink.net>

For whatever its worth ? here?s a picture of the rendition of OM at the top of a temple in Tamilnadu, South India.




Notice that the symbol for M is contained within the symbol for O.

You can find many interesting renditions in Tamilnadu temples. There?s also the belief that the twist of the trunk of gane?a represents the symbol OM.

Regards,
rajam



> On May 7, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Moore Gerety, Finnian McKean <fmgerety at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Corinna (and colleagues),
> Thank you for posting this query to the list on my behalf. Having studied the early development of OM in Vedic texts and rituals, I am curious to know about the syllable?s further development in epigraphy, manuscripts, and iconography in India and beyond. (Admittedly a broad question!) Apart from one or two articles (for instance Boeles 1947 ?The Migration of the Mystic Syllable O?.? India Antiqua, J.P. Voegel festschrift, pp. 40-56. Leiden: Brill), there seem to be very few publications on these aspects of the syllable?s history, and so the images, citations and other suggestions forwarded by colleagues thus far are very valuable. Please do keep sending along information as it occurs to you. 
> 
> yours,
> Finnian
> 
> Finnian M.M. Gerety
> Visiting Assistant Professor // Department of Religious Studies, Brown University
> 
> On May 7, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Dominic Goodall <dominic.goodall at gmail.com <mailto:dominic.goodall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Corinna,
>> 
>> It?s quite common to see a representation of O? at the top of inscribed stelae from the Khmer-speaking world in the Angkorean period and also on the headdresses of some sculpted figures.
>> I hope that the image I am attaching will come through; it is a picture of the headdress of a dv?rap?laka in the Bangkok National Museum about which the Museum label says: ?Guardian. Khmer art, Baphuon style, 11th century A.D. Found at Prasat Muang Tum, Prakonchai District, Burirum Province.? The candra and the ?ikh?, suggesting, I suppose, Mantram?rga influence, are both clearly visible.
>> 
>> But perhaps you are primarily looking for examples from the subcontinental mainland ?
>> 
>> Dominic
>> 
>> <IMG_2785.jpeg>
>> 
>>> On 07-May-2016, at 2:46 PM, Patrick Mccartney <psdmccartney at gmail.com <mailto:psdmccartney at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Corinna, 
>>> 
>>> I came across this image just now on Twitter #ancientindianscience
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Patrick 
>>> 
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From david_buchta at brown.edu  Sun May  8 00:35:43 2016
From: david_buchta at brown.edu (Buchta, David)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 20:35:43 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Muslim Vaishnavas of Bengal
In-Reply-To: <BLU185-W166264CB56B2BD5536DFD6A07E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAP_RTBAjK7S6xxAQb+Q1H=AzxRBVN+9j+oNu+SAEFyfs4aU9Hg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Harsha,

The first thing that comes to mind is Tony Stewart's contribution to Donald
Lopez's *Religions of India in Practice *on Harid?sa ?h?kura. It is Ch. 40
in that volume, entitled, "The Exemplary Devotion of the 'Servant of
Hari'." That volume might have a good deal of other material that is useful
as well. I hope this helps.

Best,
David
--
David Buchta
Lecturer in Sanskrit
Department of Classics
Brown University

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Friends:
>
> One of my students is working on Muslim Vaishnavas of Bengal.
>
> I would be grateful for any starting points for this study.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Harsha
> Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia
> Ottawa, ON., Canada.
>
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From emstern at verizon.net  Sun May  8 01:40:31 2016
From: emstern at verizon.net (Elliot Stern)
Date: Sat, 07 May 16 21:40:31 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Help with an inscribed object -- one more try
In-Reply-To: <CAATk=rDntmpe=2mdM2_3K7V11-CK9pBP8zc3_id48h1JHHuBJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32A70F13-CC8F-4643-B2A3-1E76F38A2896@verizon.net>

I have not been able to read the entire text, but it appears to me that part of it reads:

tap?gaccha?r??r??r?

ratna?[e]kharas?ri

Mention of tap?gaccha  confirms that the object is a Jaina artifact.

Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
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> On 06 May  2016, at 23:00, Nityanand Misra <nmisra at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I concur with Prof. Olivelle, it seems to be of Jain origins. While not all characters can be made out, but one can note something like ?????????????????????[?]?????? in the third and second lines from bottom. ???????????? and ???? would indicate reference to a Jain saint. 
> 
> On 6 May 2016 at 21:24, Olivelle, J P <jpo at austin.utexas.edu <mailto:jpo at austin.utexas.edu>> wrote:
> Hans: you have given only the back of the image, but this looks like a Jain image ? many such images are in existence with the same time of inscriptions in the back. Actually, I also have one with a date somewhat later than this. I think Losty, formerly of the British Museum, has published a book containing similar images. I will try to dig that up for you.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 6, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu <mailto:hhhock at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
>> 
>> A friend who is not an Indologist has asked for help in assessing an inscription on an object (image attached).
>> Several questions arise: 1. Does the object look genuine or could it be a fake? 2. Is the Nagari variant compatible with the date of Sa? 1354 (left vertical column)? 3. Is the language Sanskrit or a Sanskritized form of a different language? 4. Is it possible to figure out the meaning of the inscription (some of the characters are pretty worn down)? 
>> 
>> Looking forward to responses and with all best wishes, 
>> 
>> Hans/Hans Henrich/Hans Henrich Hock
>> 
>> <13178584_10153614609788181_8447424678802082905_n.jpg>
>> 
>> 13178584_10153614609788181_8447424678802082905_n
>>  
>> 
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From jdnarayan at gmail.com  Sun May  8 06:47:35 2016
From: jdnarayan at gmail.com (D N Jha)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 12:17:35 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Destruction of Buddhist monasteries and other	establishments
Message-ID: <CAFUHw7655emMrqxaU7XXOVf_tiKZJjdm086pEZfhOoTE7kL1Hg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,
Can any one refer me to a comprehensive discussion of the archaeological
evidence of the destruction/appropriation of Buddhist monasteries and other
religious establishments in pre-Islamic period?...Any thing beyond the
writings of Richard Davis and Richard Eaton!

-
D N Jha
Professor of History (retired),
University of Delhi
9, Uttaranchal Apartments
5, I.P. Extension, Delhi 110 092
Tel: + 2277 1049
Cell: 98111 43090
jdnarayan at gmail.com
dnjha72 at gmail.com

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From birgit.kellner at oeaw.ac.at  Sun May  8 06:57:45 2016
From: birgit.kellner at oeaw.ac.at (Birgit Kellner)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 08:57:45 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Destruction of Buddhist monasteries and other establishments
In-Reply-To: <CAFUHw7655emMrqxaU7XXOVf_tiKZJjdm086pEZfhOoTE7kL1Hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572EE369.7020106@oeaw.ac.at>

Giovanni Verardi's "Hardships and Downfall of Buddhism in India" springs
to mind:

@Book{Verardi2011,
  Title                    = {Hardships and Downfall of Buddhism in India},
  Author                   = {Giovanni Verardi},
  Editor                   = {Federica Barba},
  ISBN                     = {9788173049286},
  Location                 = {New Delhi},
  Pagetotal                = {523},
  Publisher                = {Manohar Publ.},
  Year                     = {2011},
}

With best regards,

Birgit Kellner

Am 08.05.2016 um 08:47 schrieb D N Jha:
> Dear List,
> Can any one refer me to a comprehensive discussion of the archaeological
> evidence of the destruction/appropriation of Buddhist monasteries and
> other religious establishments in pre-Islamic period?...Any thing beyond
> the writings of Richard Davis and Richard Eaton!
> 
> -
> D N Jha
> Professor of History (retired),
> University of Delhi
> 9, Uttaranchal Apartments
> 5, I.P. Extension, Delhi 110 092
> Tel: + 2277 1049
> Cell: 98111 43090
> jdnarayan at gmail.com <mailto:jdnarayan at gmail.com>
> dnjha72 at gmail.com <mailto:dnjha72 at gmail.com>
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> D N Jha
> Professor of History (retired),
> University of Delhi
> 9, Uttaranchal Apartments
> 5, I.P. Extension, Delhi 110 092
> Tel: + 2277 1049
> Cell: 98111 43090
> jdnarayan at gmail.com <mailto:jdnarayan at gmail.com>
> dnjha72 at gmail.com <mailto:dnjha72 at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Sun May  8 08:02:44 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 10:02:44 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Destruction of Buddhist monasteries and other	establishments
In-Reply-To: <572EE369.7020106@oeaw.ac.at>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFsYXM1FjPbd8j1jxBtULo7aYp5+OKtKD-rqjT1ZZAfcFA@mail.gmail.com>

And, my question - moved here form [Indo-Eurasia]:

> Any evidence of tribal sanctuaries being treated as political centers and
 destroyed? By Hindu or Muslim rulers? Any trace of it in the epos, in the
puranas, epigraphy, in the Islamic rulers' ?

Artur Karp Indology ret.
University of Warsaw
Poland

2016-05-08 8:57 GMT+02:00 Birgit Kellner <birgit.kellner at oeaw.ac.at>:

> Giovanni Verardi's "Hardships and Downfall of Buddhism in India" springs
> to mind:
>
> @Book{Verardi2011,
>   Title                    = {Hardships and Downfall of Buddhism in India},
>   Author                   = {Giovanni Verardi},
>   Editor                   = {Federica Barba},
>   ISBN                     = {9788173049286},
>   Location                 = {New Delhi},
>   Pagetotal                = {523},
>   Publisher                = {Manohar Publ.},
>   Year                     = {2011},
> }
>
> With best regards,
>
> Birgit Kellner
>
> Am 08.05.2016 um 08:47 schrieb D N Jha:
> > Dear List,
> > Can any one refer me to a comprehensive discussion of the archaeological
> > evidence of the destruction/appropriation of Buddhist monasteries and
> > other religious establishments in pre-Islamic period?...Any thing beyond
> > the writings of Richard Davis and Richard Eaton!
> >
> > -
> > D N Jha
> > Professor of History (retired),
> > University of Delhi
> > 9, Uttaranchal Apartments
> > 5, I.P. Extension, Delhi 110 092
> > Tel: + 2277 1049
> > Cell: 98111 43090
> > jdnarayan at gmail.com <mailto:jdnarayan at gmail.com>
> > dnjha72 at gmail.com <mailto:dnjha72 at gmail.com>
> >
> > --
> > --
> > D N Jha
> > Professor of History (retired),
> > University of Delhi
> > 9, Uttaranchal Apartments
> > 5, I.P. Extension, Delhi 110 092
> > Tel: + 2277 1049
> > Cell: 98111 43090
> > jdnarayan at gmail.com <mailto:jdnarayan at gmail.com>
> > dnjha72 at gmail.com <mailto:dnjha72 at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From manufrancis at gmail.com  Sun May  8 10:34:10 2016
From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 12:34:10 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Two Articles by Suresh Chandra Banerji
In-Reply-To: <CADaCuGepFd3LzSiFKteyAnQo6mUE8TCijvMfGAc56YfD8r5gCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANVHsm6ykFFW9sVeMCPDRAEXg09rzxMchj=4pSOnpwH1BhASmw@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a link to NIA 7:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oog11eieyxahh5f/new-indian-antiquary-vol-7-1944.pdf?dl=0
With best wishes
--

Emmanuel Francis
Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR
8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris)
http://ceias.ehess.fr/
http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725
http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/
Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950,
Universit?t Hamburg)
http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html
https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis

2016-05-07 13:41 GMT+02:00 Samuel Wright <swright at nalandauniv.edu.in>:

> Dear List,
>
> I'm looking for two short articles that are not available in my library:
>
> Banerji, Suresh Chandra. "Minor Smrti Writers of Bengal, " *Indian
> Historical Quarterly* 33, 1957, 191-200.
>
> Banerji, Suresh Chandra. "Post-Raghunandana Smrti Writers of Bengal," *New
> Indian Antiquary*, Vol. 7, 1944/45, 105-110.
>
>
> If someone is able and willing to share a scan of either or both of these
> articles, it would be very much appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Sam
>
> Rajgir, Bihar
>
>
>
>
>
> Samuel Wright
> Assistant Professor
> School of Historical Studies
> Nalanda University
> Pin - 803 116
> Rajgir, Dist: Nalanda
> Bihar, India
>
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From tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de  Sun May  8 12:09:13 2016
From: tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de (tatiana.oranskaia)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 14:09:13 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] query about an inscribed object
In-Reply-To: <CAATk=rC9OrpJo+07ja5RCofLKw76be5wOH0DqjNS5dta9tBAkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160508140913.951451pwde2sb0q1@webmail.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>

A slightly refining detail: the language is Marwari, classified as a  
Rajasthani dialect.

Tatiana Oranskaia



Zitat von Nityanand Misra <nmisra at gmail.com>:

> It reads (with spaces added)
>
> ?????? ??? ?????? [?] ??? ?????? ??? ?????
>
> ?????? = Artisan
> ??? ?????? [?] = Name of the artisan Vira Nanare [?]
> ??? ?????? = Native of Jodhpur
> ??? ????? = Of the Suthar (carpenter) caste
>
> The language is Hindi/Rajasthani, and the text simply gives the name of the
> artisan who made this. This carpenter was from Jodhpur and belonged to the
> Suthar (carpenter) community.
>
> Looks like a hand made gun or pistol from Rajasthan.
>
>
> On 7 May 2016 at 05:36, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been told the images didn't appear.  Here is another attempt.
>>
>> What is the object? Also, help with the translation will be appreciated.
>>
>> Herman Tull
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>








From jdnarayan at gmail.com  Sun May  8 15:02:46 2016
From: jdnarayan at gmail.com (D N Jha)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 20:32:46 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAFUHw76vNPMu3d2grCh6sTOXj+c4amvLHrh1aakJJiw6OCszuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,
Can any one help me with email ids of Dr Peter Skilling And Hampana
Nagarajaiah,
?I will be grateful?

?DNJ?

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University of Delhi
9, Uttaranchal Apartments
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From nmisra at gmail.com  Sun May  8 15:12:13 2016
From: nmisra at gmail.com (Nityanand Misra)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 20:42:13 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CAFUHw76vNPMu3d2grCh6sTOXj+c4amvLHrh1aakJJiw6OCszuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAATk=rBDQpHCjzOSKzueknd0JNbcZVDcpQRrV1OPQ5_B_u_Gfw@mail.gmail.com>

Have shared the contact of Prof. H Nagarajaiah off the list. I was in touch
with him last year.

On 8 May 2016 at 20:32, D N Jha <jdnarayan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear List,
> Can any one help me with email ids of Dr Peter Skilling And Hampana
> Nagarajaiah,
> ?I will be grateful?
>
> ?DNJ?
>
> --
> D N Jha
> Professor of History (retired),
> University of Delhi
> 9, Uttaranchal Apartments
> 5, I.P. Extension, Delhi 110 092
> Tel: + 2277 1049
> Cell: 98111 43090
> jdnarayan at gmail.com
> dnjha72 at gmail.com
>
>
>
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From jeb2104 at columbia.edu  Sun May  8 17:02:00 2016
From: jeb2104 at columbia.edu (Joel Bordeaux)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 13:02:00 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Muslim Vaishnavas of Bengal
In-Reply-To: <mailman.47.1462723214.8069.indology_list.indology.info@list.indology.info>
Message-ID: <7AD281C3-1206-4778-BC50-5028C968FF6C@columbia.edu>

Some of these may also help:

Cashin, David G. The Ocean of Love : Middle Bengali Sufi Literature and the Fakirs of Bengal. Stockholm: Association of Oriental Studies Stockholm University, 1995.

Dasgupta, Shashi Bhushan. Obscure Religious Cults. Calcutta: Firma KLM, 1995.


Openshaw, Jeanne. Seeking B?uls of Bengal. Cambridge, U.K. ; New York: Cambridge University Press, 2002.

Roy, Asim. The Islamic Syncretistic Tradition in Bengal. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 1983.
Stewart, Tony. "Religion in the Subjunctive: Vaisnava Narrative, Sufi Counter-Narrative in Early Modern Bengal," The Journal of Hindu Studies, no. 6 (2013).  

With best wishes,

J.

Joel Bordeaux
Visiting Assistant Professor
Department of Religion
Colgate University
bordeauxjoel at gmail.com

> On May 8, 2016, at 12:00 PM, indology-request at list.indology.info wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at hotmail.com <mailto:harshadehejia at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Friends:
> 
> One of my students is working on Muslim Vaishnavas of Bengal.
> 
> I would be grateful for any starting points for this study.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Harsha
> Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia
> Ottawa, ON., Canada.



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From Palaniappa at aol.com  Sun May  8 21:52:08 2016
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 16:52:08 -0500
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?MM._Prof._S._Kuppuswami_Sastri's_sa=E1=B9=81sk=C4=81ra_name?=
Message-ID: <73AAD88E-11A3-4EF2-AE78-42ADB4511319@aol.com>

In his obituary of MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri, V. Raghavan says, ?Kuppuswami by the popular name and Venkatavarma by his Sa?sk?ra-name, he was the fourth son of Seturama Ayyar?? (New Indian Antiquary, April, 1944, p.17. The link was given by Manu Francis in another post). How common is ?varma' as a part of the Sa?sk?ra-name of Brahmins?

Thanks in advance

Regards,
Palaniappan 




From mmdesh at umich.edu  Sun May  8 22:09:56 2016
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Sun, 08 May 16 18:09:56 -0400
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09MM._Prof._S._Kuppuswami_Sastri's_sa=E1=B9=81sk=C4=81ra_name?=
In-Reply-To: <mailman.277.1462744375.24135.indology_list.indology.info@list.indology.info>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzctEUSgQgjUXMwmKkcvXHZuzORmwvCNzC2RdtnDOyNCXw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Palaniappan,

This is interesting.  At my Upanayana ceremony in Pune, when I was 8 year
old, I was told to say the following greeting to the teacher/priest:  ...
m?dhava?arm? aham abhiv?daye.  The addition of ?arman to my first name was
supposed to indicate my Brahmin family background.  That added part
"--?arman" was not used elsewhere.  I have not heard of -varm? as a part of
the Sa?sk?ra-name among Brahmins, but there must be regional variations.

Madhav Deshpande

On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

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> Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 16:52:08 -0500
> Subject: MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri's sa?sk?ra name
> In his obituary of MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri, V. Raghavan says,
> ?Kuppuswami by the popular name and Venkatavarma by his Sa?sk?ra-name, he
> was the fourth son of Seturama Ayyar?? (New Indian Antiquary, April, 1944,
> p.17. The link was given by Manu Francis in another post). How common is
> ?varma' as a part of the Sa?sk?ra-name of Brahmins?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Regards,
> Palaniappan
>
>


-- 
Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
The University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Mon May  9 02:02:09 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Mon, 09 May 16 07:32:09 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]=09MM._Prof._S._Kuppuswami_Sastri's_sa=E1=B9=81sk=C4=81ra_name?=
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-dzctEUSgQgjUXMwmKkcvXHZuzORmwvCNzC2RdtnDOyNCXw@mail.gmail.com>
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1. The two cases , that of Prof. Deshpande being asked to add S'arma to his
name Madhava during his upanayana samskaara and the name of Venkatavarma
being a totally different name than the name Kuppuswami Sastri seem to be
two different conventions.

2. 'Varma' being in the community-indicating  name-ending of the son of a
Brahmin father is possible in a matrilineal Keralite family system that
prevailed till recently in Kerala, if the mother in that case is from
a Varma ('Kshatriya') lineage.

3. But the case of Sri Kuppuswami Sastri doesn't seem to be even that. Is
'varma' a name ending separated from the part Venkata in this case ? The
concept of 'samskaara name' in this case seems to be intriguingly strange.


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:39 AM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Dear Palaniappan,
>
> This is interesting.  At my Upanayana ceremony in Pune, when I was 8 year
> old, I was told to say the following greeting to the teacher/priest:  ...
> m?dhava?arm? aham abhiv?daye.  The addition of ?arman to my first name was
> supposed to indicate my Brahmin family background.  That added part
> "--?arman" was not used elsewhere.  I have not heard of -varm? as a part of
> the Sa?sk?ra-name among Brahmins, but there must be regional variations.
>
> Madhav Deshpande
>
> On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
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>> To: Indology List <Indology at list.indology.info>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 16:52:08 -0500
>> Subject: MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri's sa?sk?ra name
>> In his obituary of MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri, V. Raghavan says,
>> ?Kuppuswami by the popular name and Venkatavarma by his Sa?sk?ra-name, he
>> was the fourth son of Seturama Ayyar?? (New Indian Antiquary, April, 1944,
>> p.17. The link was given by Manu Francis in another post). How common is
>> ?varma' as a part of the Sa?sk?ra-name of Brahmins?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Regards,
>> Palaniappan
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
> 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
> The University of Michigan
> Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA
>
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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From Palaniappa at aol.com  Mon May  9 07:08:16 2016
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Mon, 09 May 16 02:08:16 -0500
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_MM._Prof._S._Kuppuswami_Sastri's_sa=E1=B9=81sk=C4=81ra_name?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eb4ovjA-qL-gt_s0fa_4A_uaQTJO7vVf3Nekt7zLoGCdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5F99E0E-4522-4731-82A2-82F2CF118789@aol.com>

It is indeed strange. 

Historically, I can think of the case of Mayuravarman of Kadamba dynasty who was a brahmin known earlier as Mayurasarman as given in the Talagunda inscription. But in the case of Kuppuswami Sastri?s ancestors, there does not seem to be any such royal background for the males.

So I had thought of two possibilities. 

One of them was the option 2 of Dr. Paturi. Indeed, according to the obituary, the ancestors of Kuppuswami Sastri had migrated from Kerala. In the matrilineal Kerala, the child born to a Brahmin father and Kshatriya female would have grown up in the mother?s household and not in the brahmin agraharam or Nambudiri Illam. But due to some unique circumstance, if the father and son were to move to mostly-patrilineal Tamil Nadu, could the son have been accepted as a Brahmin?

The second simpler possibility is of course, Venkatavarma is typo for Venkatasarma.

Regards,
Palaniappan


> On May 8, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 1. The two cases , that of Prof. Deshpande being asked to add S'arma to his name Madhava during his upanayana samskaara and the name of Venkatavarma being a totally different name than the name Kuppuswami Sastri seem to be two different conventions.
> 
> 2. 'Varma' being in the community-indicating  name-ending of the son of a Brahmin father is possible in a matrilineal Keralite family system that prevailed till recently in Kerala, if the mother in that case is from a Varma ('Kshatriya') lineage.
> 
> 3. But the case of Sri Kuppuswami Sastri doesn't seem to be even that. Is 'varma' a name ending separated from the part Venkata in this case ? The concept of 'samskaara name' in this case seems to be intriguingly strange.   
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:39 AM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
> Dear Palaniappan,
> 
> This is interesting.  At my Upanayana ceremony in Pune, when I was 8 year old, I was told to say the following greeting to the teacher/priest:  ... m?dhava?arm? aham abhiv?daye.  The addition of ?arman to my first name was supposed to indicate my Brahmin family background.  That added part "--?arman" was not used elsewhere.  I have not heard of -varm? as a part of the Sa?sk?ra-name among Brahmins, but there must be regional variations.
> 
> Madhav Deshpande
> 
> On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
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> Cc: 
> Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 16:52:08 -0500
> Subject: MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri's sa?sk?ra name
> In his obituary of MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri, V. Raghavan says, ?Kuppuswami by the popular name and Venkatavarma by his Sa?sk?ra-name, he was the fourth son of Seturama Ayyar?? (New Indian Antiquary, April, 1944, p.17. The link was given by Manu Francis in another post). How common is ?varma' as a part of the Sa?sk?ra-name of Brahmins?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Regards,
> Palaniappan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
> Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
> 202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
> The University of Michigan
> Ann Arbor, MI 48104-1608, USA
> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Nagaraj Paturi
>  
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>  
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>  
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>  
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>  
>  
>  



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From shrinsaha at gmail.com  Mon May  9 08:07:11 2016
From: shrinsaha at gmail.com (Niranjan Saha)
Date: Mon, 09 May 16 13:37:11 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Ancient Bhagavad Gita by Vedavyas, E.
Message-ID: <CAHuz+CoeF6WkrGAFToT37XbWHzDGqiRkLS59JrMBoUvWiEsyzw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

I'd be grateful if anybody is able to send me a scan/pdf of:

*Ancient Bhagavad Gita: Original Text of 745 Verses, with Critical
Introduction *by Vedavyas, E. (1990), Hyderabad: United Social Cultural and
Educational Foundation of India.


Sincerely,
Niranjan Saha, Kolata


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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Tue May 10 05:32:22 2016
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Tue, 10 May 16 05:32:22 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] DHARMA IN BUDDHISM
Message-ID: <20160510053222.6372.qmail@f4mail-235-166.rediffmail.com>



 Thanks to all who have elaborated on my query. I believe Mr.Richard Gombrich has made a very realistic assesment on the matter concerning Dhrama in Buddhism. Only yesterday I was going through a qoute from the Anguttara Nikaya ( of Sutta Pitaka) where  Siddhartaha Gautam Buddha says- 'This is the road leading to Cessation of sorrow.' May be this what is implied by Dharma.  Sorrow is what the world is all about , and it's cessation is the way we should live.



                                                       

                                                                 ALAKENDU DAS

                                                                Post-Graduate,Indology

                                                                                                                                       


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From jemhouben at gmail.com  Tue May 10 06:50:14 2016
From: jemhouben at gmail.com (Jan E.M. Houben)
Date: Tue, 10 May 16 08:50:14 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Annonce_d'Atelier_11_et_12_mai_et_Appel_=C3=A0_Candidatures_pour_le_projet_"Lois_des_dieux,_des_hommes_et_de_la_nature"?=
Message-ID: <CAGCGLoBVuPkOywiAPtenjZR2ALR1QtQvMHZzQubsqZHdWq5g_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Institut d??tudes avanc?es, Nantes, Mercredi 11 et jeudi 12 Mai 2016

Atelier
*Entre infini et nature, ? travers le langage et les math?matiques*
Un d?bat sur des visions du monde, historiques ou actuelles, qui invoquent
la g?om?trie, les math?matiques, comme en occident, ou plut?t la langue ou
la grammaire, comme en Inde, pour comprendre et peut-?tre maitriser
l'univers, la nature, l'infinit?.
Programme:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52155795/IEAprogrAtelierEntre-infini-et-Nature11-12mai16.pdf

Le cadre plus large de l'Atelier est le projet ? l'IEA :
"Lois des dieux, des hommes et de la nature" :
http://www.iea-nantes.fr/rtefiles/File/projet-giuseppe-longo-2014.pdf
voir aussi (candidatures):
http://www.iea-nantes.fr/rtefiles/File/Publications%20et%20nouvelles/iea-nantes_appel-a-candidatures-2017-18.pdf

La participation ? l'Atelier est ouverte, mais l'inscription est
obligatoire (nombre fini de places): ?crire ?
Violaine GROLLIER <violaine.grollier at iea-nantes.fr>, Jan HOUBEN <
jan.houben at iea-nantes.fr>, Longo Giuseppe <Giuseppe.Longo at ens.fr>
? Lois des dieux, des hommes et de la nature ?.



*Jan E.M. HOUBEN*

Directeur d??tudes

Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite

*?cole Pratique des Hautes ?tudes*

*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

54, rue Saint-Jacques

CS 20525 ? 75005 Paris

johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr

https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben

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From vjroebuck at btinternet.com  Tue May 10 13:05:53 2016
From: vjroebuck at btinternet.com (Valerie Roebuck)
Date: Tue, 10 May 16 14:05:53 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] STIMW registration
Message-ID: <855FBC2B-5BAA-4C47-8211-0ACCDF4A47C9@btinternet.com>

Dear Colleagues

Just a reminder that it?s not too late to register for STIMW 2016! You can register here: http://www.alc.manchester.ac.uk/subjects/religionstheology/events/conferences/

Enquiries please to Dr Hirst, not to me.
 
Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK
 
 
33rd Annual STIMW Seminar
 
Fri 27 May 2016    10.45 a.m. - 5.00 p.m.
 
Martin Harris Centre, G16, University of Manchester
 
 
Programme  [or move all up and have free session at end]
 
 
10.45-11.10   Coffee and registration
 
11.15-12.00   Stephen Thompson (Oxford University)
                   ?Anubh?tisvar?p?c?rya?s contribution to the tradition of Advaita Ved?nta, c.1300 CE: ?ippa?am on the ?gama-Prakara?a of M????kyagau?ap?d?ya with ?a?karabh??ya?
                    
                    
11.15-12.10   Shalini Sinha (University of Reading)
                   ?Ethics as metaphysics:  self and world in classical Vai?e?ika?
 
 
12.15-1.30     Lunch
 
1.45-2.35       Vishal  Sharma (Oxford University)
                   ?Where there is K???a, there is adharma: reproaching God in the Mah?bh?rata?
 
 
2.35-3.25       Christopher Gibbons (University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia)
                   ?Sacrifice and liberation: the Bhagavadg?t? in its epic context
 
3.25-3.55       Tea
                  
3.55-4.45        Ofer Peres (Hebrew University of Jerusalem)
                   ??There?s a Trojan horse in my myth!?: the case of Pur?ravas in pre-modern Tamil literature?
 
4.45-5.00       STIMW 2017
 
 
Dr Jacqueline Suthren Hirst
Senior Lecturer in South Asian Studies
Religions and Theology
Samuel Alexander Building
University of Manchester
Oxford Road
Manchester
M13 9PL
UK
 
jacqueline.hirst at manchester.ac.uk <mailto:jacqueline.hirst at manchester.ac.uk>


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From birendra176 at yahoo.com  Wed May 11 10:44:23 2016
From: birendra176 at yahoo.com (Birendra Nath Prasad)
Date: Wed, 11 May 16 10:44:23 +0000
Subject: Request for the PDF copies of papers
In-Reply-To: <365848301.253453.1462963463490.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <365848301.253453.1462963463490.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Respected colleagues,
Could anybody may kindly take the trouble of sending me  PDF  copies of the following papers:
1.	SIRCAR, D.C. 1949, ?Two Tortoise-Shell Inscriptions in the Dacca Museum?, Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Bengal, Letters, vol. XV/2, pp. 101-108.
2.	SIRCAR, D.C. ?Decline of Buddhism in Bengal?, in Studies in the Religious Life of Ancient and Medieval India, Delhi, 1971.
I would be thankful to list members for a positive reply. 
With regards 
Birendra Nath Prasad
Asstt. Professor, History Deptt.
BB Ambedkar University,Lucknow 
bp2629 at gmail.com
bnprasad at bbau.ac.in 

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 sa?sk?ra name
 ? ? ? (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
 ???3. Re: MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri's
 sa?sk?ra name
 ? ? ? (Madhav Deshpande)
 ???4. Re: MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri's
 sa?sk?ra name
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 ???5. Re: MM. Prof. S. Kuppuswami Sastri's
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 ???6. Ancient Bhagavad Gita by Vedavyas, E.
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 Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 13:02:00 -0400
 From: Joel Bordeaux <jeb2104 at columbia.edu>
 To: indology at list.indology.info
 Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Muslim Vaishnavas of Bengal
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 Some of these may also help:
 
 Cashin, David G. The Ocean of Love : Middle Bengali Sufi
 Literature and the Fakirs of Bengal. Stockholm: Association
 of Oriental Studies Stockholm University, 1995.
 
 Dasgupta, Shashi Bhushan. Obscure Religious Cults. Calcutta:
 Firma KLM, 1995.
 
 
 Openshaw, Jeanne. Seeking B?uls of Bengal. Cambridge, U.K. ;
 New York: Cambridge University Press, 2002.
 
 Roy, Asim. The Islamic Syncretistic Tradition in Bengal.
 Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 1983.
 Stewart, Tony. "Religion in the Subjunctive: Vaisnava
 Narrative, Sufi Counter-Narrative in Early Modern Bengal,"
 The Journal of Hindu Studies, no. 6 (2013).? 
 
 With best wishes,
 
 J.
 
 Joel Bordeaux
 Visiting Assistant Professor
 Department of Religion
 Colgate University
 bordeauxjoel at gmail.com
 
 > On May 8, 2016, at 12:00 PM, indology-request at list.indology.info
 wrote:
 > 
 > On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Harsha Dehejia <harshadehejia at hotmail.com
 <mailto:harshadehejia at hotmail.com>>
 wrote:
 > Friends:
 > 
 > One of my students is working on Muslim Vaishnavas of
 Bengal.
 > 
 > I would be grateful for any starting points for this
 study.
 > 
 > Kind regards,
 > 
 > Harsha
 > Prof. Harsha V. Dehejia
 > Ottawa, ON., Canada.
 
 




From anurupa.n at ifpindia.org  Wed May 11 11:03:05 2016
From: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org (Anurupa Naik)
Date: Wed, 11 May 16 16:33:05 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_New_publication_of_the_Institut_Fran=C3=A7ais_de_Pondich=C3=A9ry_and_the_Ecole_fran=C3=A7aise_d=E2=80=99Extr=C3=AAme-Orient?=
Message-ID: <1d0c0ded-6d80-ae30-3df4-c0dc15ea6e12@ifpindia.org>

*JUST RELEASED*

**

*The Archaeology of Bhakti II. Royal Bhakti, Local Bhakti*****

edited by Emmanuel Francis & Charlotte Schmid, Collection Indologie n? 
132, Institut Fran?ais de Pondich?ry / Ecole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient, 
2016, ix, 609 p.

Language: English. *1300 Rs (56 ?). *ISBN: 978-81-8470-212-5 (IFP) / 
978-2-85539-221-9 (EFEO).

This volume is the fruit of the second workshop-cum-conference on the 
?Archaeology of Bhakti?, which took place from 31^st July to 13^th 
August 2013 in the Pondicherry Centre of the ?cole fran?aise 
d?Extr?me-Orient. ?Royal Bhakti, Local Bhakti? was the topic of this 
scholarly encounter and is the central theme of the present volume, 
which attempts to clarify the roles of kings, local elites and 
devotional communities in the development of Bhakti.

When we look at the monuments that are the material traces of Bhakti, we 
expect kings and their immediate relatives to have played a key role in 
producing them. But temples commissioned by ruling kings are in fact 
relatively rare: most sacred sites resonate with the voices of many 
different patrons responsible for commissioning the buildings or 
supporting the worship conducted there. Queens, princes, palace women, 
courtiers, local elites, Brahmin assemblies, merchant communities, and 
local individuals all contributed to the dynamism of Bhakti.

Far from downplaying the importance of kings as patrons, this volume 
explores the interactions between these different agents. Do they 
represent independent and separate streams of Bhakti? Or is there a 
continuum from large-scale royal temples to locally designed ones? What 
is the royal share in the development of a Bhakti deeply rooted in a 
specific place? And what is the local one? How did each respond to the 
other? Was the patronage by members of royal courts, especially women, 
of the same nature as that of ruling kings?

After an introduction by the editors, fifteen scholars address such 
issues by examining the textual foundations of Bhakti, the use of Bhakti 
by royal figures, the roles of artists and performers, the mediation of 
queens between the royal and local spheres, and the power of sacred 
places. The volume concludes with an afterword by Richard H. Davis.

*Keywords*:**devotion, temples, inscriptions, places

*About the Editors***

**

*Emmanuel Francis *was educated at the Universit? catholique de Louvain 
(Belgium), where he obtained his doctorate in languages and literatures 
(2009). He is currently a researcher at the Centre National de la 
Recherche Scientifique (CNRS) and is affiliated to the Centre d??tudes 
de l?Inde et de l?Asie du Sud / Centre for South Asian Studies (CEIAS, 
UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS) in Paris. Specialized in Sanskrit and Tamil 
philology and in the history of South India, his publications include 
several articles on Indian epigraphical sources. The first volume of his 
study on the royal ideology of the Pallava dynasty of South India (circa 
300?900), /Le discours royal en Inde du Sud ancienne/, has appeared in 
2013. The second volume will appear shortly.

**

*Charlotte Schmid *is director of studies of the ?cole fran?aise 
d?Extr?me-Orient (EFEO). She divides her research between two areas of 
field-work, the north and the south of the Indian subcontinent. After 
studying the earliest known representations of a major Hindu deity of 
Bhakti, those of Kr???a in Mathur?, she had the good fortune to spend 
several years in the Tamil-speaking South. Poring over inscriptions and 
sculptures produced during the Pallava and the C??a periods (6^th -12^th 
century) and reading texts with the help of the Pandits at the centre of 
the EFEO in Pondicherry enabled her to produce her most recent books: 
/Sur le chemin de Kr???a?: la fl?te et ses voies/ and /La Bhakti d?une 
reine/.

*To order, contact:*


*Institut Fran?ais de Pondich?ry *

P. B. 33, 11, St. Louis Street,,

Pondicherry-605001, INDIA

Ph: +91-413-2231660 / 661. Fax: +91 413-2231605,

E-mail: _library at ifpindia.org <mailto:library at ifpindia.org>_**

*Ecole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient *

P.O. Box 151,16 & 19, Dumas Street

Pondicherry - 605001,INDIA

Ph: +91-413-2334539. Fax +91-413-2330886

E-mail: shanti at efeo-pondicherry.org <mailto:shanti at efeo-pondicherry.org>


-- 
Ms. Anurupa Naik
Head, Library and Publication Division
French Institute of Pondicherry (IFP)
UMIFRE 21 CNRS-MAEE
P.B. 33
11, St. Louis Street
Pondicherry-605 001, INDIA

Tel: 91-413-2231660
Fax: 91-413-2231605
e-mail: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org
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From james.hartzell at gmail.com  Wed May 11 14:21:02 2016
From: james.hartzell at gmail.com (James Hartzell)
Date: Wed, 11 May 16 10:21:02 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] the water fowl illusion
Message-ID: <CAKA8X431avAZmcirsemygDqxOahkaeOiQvEWyhYjihKc4tgEYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

I came across a reference today in Buston's commentary on the Vimalaprabh?
of the K?lacakratantra to the
chu skyar gyi sgru ma
or
kalaha?sa-m?y?

The referent to a water-fowl/gander/duck/swan/drake-illusion is not
familiar to me.

Mght someone know what this particular illusion is, and have some
references?

Cheers
James

-- 
James Hartzell, PhD(2x)
Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC)
The University of Trento, Italy
and
Center for Buddhist Studies
Columbia Universtiy, USA


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From ondracka at ff.cuni.cz  Wed May 11 18:02:32 2016
From: ondracka at ff.cuni.cz (Lubomir Ondracka)
Date: Wed, 11 May 16 20:02:32 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Israel Prize for prof. David Shulman
Message-ID: <20160511200232.c23be8fd2feb9f7402d8ed0c@ff.cuni.cz>

Congratulations to prof. David Shulman who has been awarded the "Israel Prize", the most prestigious prize in Israel.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Expert-on-India-research-to-win-Israel-Prize-for-religious-studies-and-philosophy-444965

----
Lubomir Ondracka
Department of Philosophy & Religious Studies
Faculty of Arts, Charles University
Nam. J. Palacha 2, Praha 1, 116 38
CZECH REPUBLIC





From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Wed May 11 18:11:08 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Wed, 11 May 16 23:41:08 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Israel Prize for prof. David Shulman
In-Reply-To: <20160511200232.c23be8fd2feb9f7402d8ed0c@ff.cuni.cz>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eY+qbrpPvVe2Ompj6cje9p4aUdxoJRCBCAqjHQqH3txbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations!

Great versatile scholar and a great human being!



On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Lubomir Ondracka <ondracka at ff.cuni.cz>
wrote:

> Congratulations to prof. David Shulman who has been awarded the "Israel
> Prize", the most prestigious prize in Israel.
>
> http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Expert-on-India-research-to-win-Israel-Prize-for-religious-studies-and-philosophy-444965
>
> ----
> Lubomir Ondracka
> Department of Philosophy & Religious Studies
> Faculty of Arts, Charles University
> Nam. J. Palacha 2, Praha 1, 116 38
> CZECH REPUBLIC
>
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-- 
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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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From franco at uni-leipzig.de  Wed May 11 19:15:05 2016
From: franco at uni-leipzig.de (Franco)
Date: Wed, 11 May 16 21:15:05 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Israel Prize for prof. David Shulman
In-Reply-To: <20160511200232.c23be8fd2feb9f7402d8ed0c@ff.cuni.cz>
Message-ID: <EBCAFB99-7949-4FC9-8C90-C78202608E7D@uni-leipzig.de>

And all the more so for donating the entire prize money for the just cause of Ta'ayush!
With all good wishes,
Eli Franco


Sent from my iPad

> On 11 May 2016, at 20:02, Lubomir Ondracka <ondracka at ff.cuni.cz> wrote:
> 
> Congratulations to prof. David Shulman who has been awarded the "Israel Prize", the most prestigious prize in Israel.
> http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Expert-on-India-research-to-win-Israel-Prize-for-religious-studies-and-philosophy-444965
> 
> ----
> Lubomir Ondracka
> Department of Philosophy & Religious Studies
> Faculty of Arts, Charles University
> Nam. J. Palacha 2, Praha 1, 116 38
> CZECH REPUBLIC
> 
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From Palaniappa at aol.com  Wed May 11 21:43:09 2016
From: Palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Wed, 11 May 16 16:43:09 -0500
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_New_publication_of_the_Institut_Fran=C3=A7ais_de_Pondich=C3=A9ry_and_the_Ecole_fran=C3=A7aise_d=E2=80=99Extr=C3=AAme-Orient?=
In-Reply-To: <1d0c0ded-6d80-ae30-3df4-c0dc15ea6e12@ifpindia.org>
Message-ID: <FEEAD6C6-2B54-4F11-B67C-146926BF4172@aol.com>

Here is the book announcement with the table of contents.

http://www.ifpindia.org/content/archaeology-bhakti-ii-royal-bhakti-local-bhakti <http://www.ifpindia.org/content/archaeology-bhakti-ii-royal-bhakti-local-bhakti>

Regards,
Palaniappan
> On May 11, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Anurupa Naik <anurupa.n at ifpindia.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> JUST RELEASED
>  
> The Archaeology of Bhakti II. Royal Bhakti, Local Bhakti
> edited by Emmanuel Francis & Charlotte Schmid, Collection Indologie n? 132, Institut Fran?ais de Pondich?ry / Ecole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient, 2016, ix, 609 p.
> Language: English. 1300 Rs (56 ?).  ISBN: 978-81-8470-212-5 (IFP) / 978-2-85539-221-9 (EFEO).
>  
> This volume is the fruit of the second workshop-cum-conference on the ?Archaeology of Bhakti?, which took place from 31st July to 13th August 2013 in the Pondicherry Centre of the ?cole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient. ?Royal Bhakti, Local Bhakti? was the topic of this scholarly encounter and is the central theme of the present volume, which attempts to clarify the roles of kings, local elites and devotional communities in the development of Bhakti. 
>  
> When we look at the monuments that are the material traces of Bhakti, we expect kings and their immediate relatives to have played a key role in producing them. But temples commissioned by ruling kings are in fact relatively rare: most sacred sites resonate with the voices of many different patrons responsible for commissioning the buildings or supporting the worship conducted there. Queens, princes, palace women, courtiers, local elites, Brahmin assemblies, merchant communities, and local individuals all contributed to the dynamism of Bhakti.
>  
> Far from downplaying the importance of kings as patrons, this volume explores the interactions between these different agents. Do they represent independent and separate streams of Bhakti? Or is there a continuum from large-scale royal temples to locally designed ones? What is the royal share in the development of a Bhakti deeply rooted in a specific place? And what is the local one? How did each respond to the other? Was the patronage by members of royal courts, especially women, of the same nature as that of ruling kings?
>  
> After an introduction by the editors, fifteen scholars address such issues by examining the textual foundations of Bhakti, the use of Bhakti by royal figures, the roles of artists and performers, the mediation of queens between the royal and local spheres, and the power of sacred places. The volume concludes with an afterword by Richard H. Davis.
>  
> Keywords: devotion, temples, inscriptions, places 
>  
> About the Editors
>  
> Emmanuel Francis was educated at the Universit? catholique de Louvain (Belgium), where he obtained his doctorate in languages and literatures (2009). He is currently a researcher at the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (CNRS) and is affiliated to the Centre d??tudes de l?Inde et de l?Asie du Sud / Centre for South Asian Studies (CEIAS, UMR 8564, EHESS-CNRS) in Paris. Specialized in Sanskrit and Tamil philology and in the history of South India, his publications include several articles on Indian epigraphical sources. The first volume of his study on the royal ideology of the Pallava dynasty of South India (circa 300?900), Le discours royal en Inde du Sud ancienne, has appeared in 2013. The second volume will appear shortly.
>  
> Charlotte Schmid is director of studies of the ?cole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient (EFEO). She divides her research between two areas of field-work, the north and the south of the Indian subcontinent. After studying the earliest known representations of a major Hindu deity of Bhakti, those of Kr???a in Mathur?, she had the good fortune to spend several years in the Tamil-speaking South. Poring over inscriptions and sculptures produced during the Pallava and the C??a periods (6th-12thcentury) and reading texts with the help of the Pandits at the centre of the EFEO in Pondicherry enabled her to produce her most recent books: Sur le chemin de Kr???a?: la fl?te et ses voies and La Bhakti d?une reine.
>  
> To order, contact:
> 
> Institut Fran?ais de Pondich?ry 
> P. B. 33, 11, St. Louis Street,,
> Pondicherry-605001, INDIA
> Ph: +91-413-2231660 / 661. Fax: +91 413-2231605, 
> E-mail: library at ifpindia.org <mailto:library at ifpindia.org>
>  
> Ecole fran?aise d?Extr?me-Orient 
> P.O. Box 151,16 & 19, Dumas Street 
> Pondicherry - 605001,INDIA 
> Ph: +91-413-2334539. Fax +91-413-2330886 
> E-mail: shanti at efeo-pondicherry.org <mailto:shanti at efeo-pondicherry.org>
>  
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ms. Anurupa Naik
> Head, Library and Publication Division
> French Institute of Pondicherry (IFP)
> UMIFRE 21 CNRS-MAEE
> P.B. 33
> 11, St. Louis Street
> Pondicherry-605 001, INDIA
> 
> Tel: 91-413-2231660
> Fax: 91-413-2231605
> e-mail: anurupa.n at ifpindia.org <mailto:anurupa.n at ifpindia.org>
> website: www.ifpindia.org <http://www.ifpindia.org/>
> 
>  
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From hr at ivs.edu  Wed May 11 21:58:05 2016
From: hr at ivs.edu (HdGoswami)
Date: Wed, 11 May 16 16:58:05 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Indian philosophy in the West
Message-ID: <1463007482-7437104.36850151.fu4BMvtuM023537@rs143.luxsci.com>

This article cites general Indian philosophy and Bhagavad-gita as examples of philosophy that should be included in Western philosophical studies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/opinion/if-philosophy-wont-diversify-lets-call-it-what-it-really-is.html?_r=0 <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/opinion/if-philosophy-wont-diversify-lets-call-it-what-it-really-is.html?_r=0>







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From slaje at kabelmail.de  Thu May 12 11:35:22 2016
From: slaje at kabelmail.de (Walter Slaje)
Date: Thu, 12 May 16 13:35:22 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Publication_Announcement:_Running_Commentary_on_the_Mok=E1=B9=A3op=C4=81ya?=
Message-ID: <CALoZ1nWf+X3bxBphSEnCZC+nPvyVdiB26k9FPf19+wzPvd81Fw@mail.gmail.com>

The first volume of a running commentary on the critical edition and
philological translation of the *Mok?op?ya* has just come out:



Straube, Martin: *Mok?op?ya*. Das Vierte Buch. *Sthitiprakara?a*.
Stellenkommentar von Martin Straube. Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz 2016. 72,00 EUR.
ISBN: 978-3-447-10479-1

(Anonymus Casmiriensis Mok?op?ya. Historisch-kritische Gesamtausgabe.
Stellenkommentar, Teil 3.)

http://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/title_1196.ahtml


For other volumes published by the *Mok?op?ya* Project, see:

http://www.harrassowitz-verlag.de/category_456.ahtml

See also:

http://adwm.indologie.uni-halle.de/MU_PhilKomm.htm

http://adwm.indologie.uni-halle.de/CompleteBibliography.htm



[Abstract]

Der *Mok?op?ya* (?Weg zur Befreiung?) ist ein im 10. Jahrhundert in
Kaschmir anonym entstandener Sanskrit-Text, eine philosophische
Welterkl?rung, deren Hauptaussage lautet, dass nichts, was als Objekt und
als Subjekt der eigenen Erkenntnis erscheint, tats?chlich existiert,
sondern dass alles immer nur ?Geist? ist. Ziel ist die Selbstbefreiung aus
dem leidvollen Daseinskreislauf, die nicht etwa zu einem R?ckzug aus der
Welt f?hren muss, sondern dem ?noch zu Lebzeiten Befreiten? (*j?vanmukta*)
ein intentionslos t?tiges, leidfreies Leben in der Welt erm?glicht.
Der Stellenkommentar zum IV. Buch (*Sthitiprakara?a*) des Mok?op?ya
begleitet die Textausgabe und die ?bersetzung, die im Rahmen der
Historisch-kritischen Gesamtausgabe des *Mok?op?ya* bereits erschienen
sind. Behandelt werden philologische Einzelprobleme, die sich w?hrend der
Arbeit an Edition und ?bersetzung des *Sthitiprakara?a* gestellt haben.
Diese betreffen vor allem die Entscheidungsfindung bei der Konstitution des
Textes und dessen Stratifizierung, Fragen der Grammatik, der Syntax und der
Lexik des edierten Textes, den Kontext einzelner Textstellen, Parallelen
innerhalb und au?erhalb des *Mok?op?ya* sowie Verweise auf weiterf?hrende
Literatur. Obwohl sich die Kommentare auf ausgew?hlte, besonders
erkl?rungsbed?rftige Stellen des *Sthitiprakra?a* beschr?nken, sind sie
vielfach auch f?r die anderen B?cher des *Mok?op?ya* relevant, da vom
vollst?ndigen Text des *Mok?op?ya* Gebrauch gemacht wurde. Ein allgemeiner
Stichwortindex soll die Benutzung des Stellenkommentars erleichtern; ein
zweiter Index listet die im Stellenkommentar behandelten Nachtr?ge zu den
Sanskritw?rterb?chern auf.


-----------------------------
Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
Hermann-L?ns-Str. 1
D-99425 Weimar
Deutschland

Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.


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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Thu May 12 13:58:17 2016
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Thu, 12 May 16 15:58:17 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahabhagavatapurana
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf99Y+VZCWgnhYYhfBFqgOO-8BMUzycspT5XY_-jZS+7cA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear friends,

I am unable to consult any hard-copy (in Italy) of the *Mahabhagavatapurana*
.
Anyone could provied me a pdf of this edition:

Kumar, P. (ed.) 1983. *Mahabhagavata Purana*. AN Ancient Treatise on Sakti
Cult. Delhi: Eastern Book Linkers.

Also any bibliographical suggestion regarding the study of this text is
very welcome.

Best,
Paolo

-- 
Paolo E. Rosati
Oriental Archaeologist
PhD candidate in "Civilisations of Asia & Africa"
Section: South Asia
Dep. Italian Institute of Oriental Studies (ISO)
'Sapienza' University of Rome
*https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/
<https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>*
paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it
paoloe.rosati at gmail.com
Skype: paoloe.rosati
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From mmdesh at umich.edu  Thu May 12 14:11:32 2016
From: mmdesh at umich.edu (Madhav Deshpande)
Date: Thu, 12 May 16 10:11:32 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahabhagavatapurana
In-Reply-To: <CAMOCTf99Y+VZCWgnhYYhfBFqgOO-8BMUzycspT5XY_-jZS+7cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3-dzctLo15xz2vaqn3zeye2qSOiMCTE4D1h9sa0TUpf+niAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Paolo,

     I have sent the pdf of this publication to you using WeTransfer.  Let
me know once you get it.  Best,

Madhav Deshpande

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Paolo Eugenio Rosati <
paoloe.rosati at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> I am unable to consult any hard-copy (in Italy) of the
> *Mahabhagavatapurana*.
> Anyone could provied me a pdf of this edition:
>
> Kumar, P. (ed.) 1983. *Mahabhagavata Purana*. AN Ancient Treatise on
> Sakti Cult. Delhi: Eastern Book Linkers.
>
> Also any bibliographical suggestion regarding the study of this text is
> very welcome.
>
> Best,
> Paolo
>
> --
> Paolo E. Rosati
> Oriental Archaeologist
> PhD candidate in "Civilisations of Asia & Africa"
> Section: South Asia
> Dep. Italian Institute of Oriental Studies (ISO)
> 'Sapienza' University of Rome
> *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/
> <https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>*
> paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it
> paoloe.rosati at gmail.com
> Skype: paoloe.rosati
> Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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Professor of Sanskrit and Linguistics
Department of Asian Languages and Cultures
202 South Thayer Street, Suite 6111
The University of Michigan
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From pf8 at soas.ac.uk  Thu May 12 16:03:27 2016
From: pf8 at soas.ac.uk (Peter Flugel)
Date: Thu, 12 May 16 17:03:27 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Klaus Bruhn (1928-2016)
Message-ID: <CAF+JJrn1P27L7p4AR8hpyBnQTC5+QvAj_fouWErbxEcuHziKHg@mail.gmail.com>

I just received the sad news that Professor Klaus Bruhn, one of the main
pillars and innovators of Jaina Studies over the last 65 years, has passed
away on monday.

http://www.klaus-bruhn.de/pageID_4920145.html


-- 
Dr Peter Fl?gel
Chair, Centre of Jaina Studies
Department of Religions and Philosophies
Faculty of Arts and Humanities
School of Oriental and African Studies
University of London
Thornhaugh Street
Russell Square
London WC1H OXG

Tel.: (+44-20) 7898 4776
E-mail: pf8 at soas.ac.uk
http://www.soas.ac.uk/jainastudies


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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Thu May 12 17:23:27 2016
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Thu, 12 May 16 19:23:27 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahabhagavatapurana
In-Reply-To: <CAMOCTf99Y+VZCWgnhYYhfBFqgOO-8BMUzycspT5XY_-jZS+7cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf-b5dg9rAhMDE_WnGzkaNXUzKRgziu1PApFcnfEmNpw9g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to professor Madhav Deshpande for sharing his *MBP *with me!

Paolo


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On 12 May 2016 at 15:58, Paolo Eugenio Rosati <paoloe.rosati at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> I am unable to consult any hard-copy (in Italy) of the
> *Mahabhagavatapurana*.
> Anyone could provied me a pdf of this edition:
>
> Kumar, P. (ed.) 1983. *Mahabhagavata Purana*. AN Ancient Treatise on
> Sakti Cult. Delhi: Eastern Book Linkers.
>
> Also any bibliographical suggestion regarding the study of this text is
> very welcome.
>
> Best,
> Paolo
>
> --
> Paolo E. Rosati
> Oriental Archaeologist
> PhD candidate in "Civilisations of Asia & Africa"
> Section: South Asia
> Dep. Italian Institute of Oriental Studies (ISO)
> 'Sapienza' University of Rome
> *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/
> <https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>*
> paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it
> paoloe.rosati at gmail.com
> Skype: paoloe.rosati
> Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472
>



-- 
Paolo E. Rosati
Oriental Archaeologist
PhD candidate in "Civilisations of Asia & Africa"
Section: South Asia
Dep. Italian Institute of Oriental Studies (ISO)
'Sapienza' University of Rome
*https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/
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From lavanyavemsani at gmail.com  Thu May 12 17:50:13 2016
From: lavanyavemsani at gmail.com (Lavanya Vemsani)
Date: Thu, 12 May 16 13:50:13 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Israel prize Prof. Shulman
Message-ID: <226DA3CF-A2D9-4218-902E-4F03EA08B59F@gmail.com>

Congratulations to Prof. Shulman.
A bit late, but well deserved award
Thank you
Lavanya

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From mehner at sub.uni-goettingen.de  Fri May 13 09:26:24 2016
From: mehner at sub.uni-goettingen.de (Mehner, Maximilian | GRETIL)
Date: Fri, 13 May 16 09:26:24 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] GRETIL update #473
Message-ID: <C02B5C9E4F9BD14E998B70B231B092225CA6B4A3@um-excdag-a05.um.gwdg.de>

GRETIL is pleased to be able to report the following addition(s) to its collection:

Patthana - PTS/Dhammakaya edition, annotated and plain text:
http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/#Patthana

__________________________________________________________________________
GRETIL - Goettingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages:
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From dipak.d2004 at gmail.com  Fri May 13 09:43:58 2016
From: dipak.d2004 at gmail.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Fri, 13 May 16 15:13:58 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Klaus Bruhn (1928-2016)
In-Reply-To: <CAF+JJrn1P27L7p4AR8hpyBnQTC5+QvAj_fouWErbxEcuHziKHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABEB9qJQRN2phyGsUSdvmuxmTqTTYFimyvBfLPzsVpRJ1YkwyA@mail.gmail.com>

This is indeed very sad! My sympathy to hios family and colleagues.
DB

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:33 PM, Peter Flugel <pf8 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:

> I just received the sad news that Professor Klaus Bruhn, one of the main
> pillars and innovators of Jaina Studies over the last 65 years, has passed
> away on monday.
>
> http://www.klaus-bruhn.de/pageID_4920145.html
>
>
> --
> Dr Peter Fl?gel
> Chair, Centre of Jaina Studies
> Department of Religions and Philosophies
> Faculty of Arts and Humanities
> School of Oriental and African Studies
> University of London
> Thornhaugh Street
> Russell Square
> London WC1H OXG
>
> Tel.: (+44-20) 7898 4776
> E-mail: pf8 at soas.ac.uk
> http://www.soas.ac.uk/jainastudies
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From dnreigle at gmail.com  Fri May 13 15:39:24 2016
From: dnreigle at gmail.com (David and Nancy Reigle)
Date: Fri, 13 May 16 09:39:24 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] the water fowl illusion
In-Reply-To: <CAKA8X431avAZmcirsemygDqxOahkaeOiQvEWyhYjihKc4tgEYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPAZekaLHrOfPH4A=x_M9=HQVoitQ03vhjECj9sjRf856e0V8g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear James,

It seems that no one knows of the *kalaha?sa-m?y?*. Can you provide the
reference? I assume that you used the 1965 edition of *The Collected Works
of Bu-ston*. I suppose that you meant *sgyu ma* rather than *sgru ma* in *chu
skyar gyi sgru ma*, since you translated it as *m?y?*. But perhaps a
different word is meant. It may be worth checking the two different
manuscripts of Bu ston's annotated edition of the *Vimalaprabh?* in cursive
script that have been published since, for variant readings.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:21 AM, James Hartzell <james.hartzell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I came across a reference today in Buston's commentary on the Vimalaprabh?
> of the K?lacakratantra to the
> chu skyar gyi sgru ma
> or
> kalaha?sa-m?y?
>
> The referent to a water-fowl/gander/duck/swan/drake-illusion is not
> familiar to me.
>
> Mght someone know what this particular illusion is, and have some
> references?
>
> Cheers
> James
>
> --
> James Hartzell, PhD(2x)
> Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC)
> The University of Trento, Italy
> and
> Center for Buddhist Studies
> Columbia Universtiy, USA
>
>
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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Fri May 13 15:58:15 2016
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Fri, 13 May 16 15:58:15 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] the water fowl illusion
In-Reply-To: <CAPAZekaLHrOfPH4A=x_M9=HQVoitQ03vhjECj9sjRf856e0V8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047B8C070@xm-mbx-06-prod>

please refer to Jon Gold, The Dharma's Gatekeepers, p. 182, for the verse
from Sakya Pandita that explains this. M?y? here in the sense of "deviousness, stealth," not
illusion:

"Geese .. by advancing stealthily ... attain the object of their desire..."

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
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From fabrice.duvinage at gmail.com  Fri May 13 16:27:40 2016
From: fabrice.duvinage at gmail.com (Fabrice Duvinage)
Date: Fri, 13 May 16 18:27:40 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Authenticity of the Vastusutra Upanishad
Message-ID: <CA+-9AJy53YfDUKwDcw8zGg4bJFxcOVNBgshuZCDrdKWj_jwo9g@mail.gmail.com>

As a student, I had the opportunity to write a book about Indian bronzes.
So I tried not to rely only on secondary sources and get deeper in primary
sources, but it was a bit frustrating, the contents were kind of
unexpected, not exactly what I would have hope to find. On the contrary,
the Vastusutra Upanishad suited so well to my European mind that I doubted
about its authenticity. I was a beginner and still feel like that after 30
years of research, but now I?ve heard and read that some people actually
think that it might be not authentic. Does anybody knows about articles or
serious research about it?

Sincerely yours,
Fabrice Duvinage
10, rue Alfred M?zi?res
54000 Nancy
0652825128
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From hr at ivs.edu  Fri May 13 17:38:20 2016
From: hr at ivs.edu (HdGoswami)
Date: Fri, 13 May 16 12:38:20 -0500
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Authenticity of the Vastusutra Upanishad
In-Reply-To: <CA+-9AJy53YfDUKwDcw8zGg4bJFxcOVNBgshuZCDrdKWj_jwo9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1463161085-8663519.75135851.fu4DHbRQS002594@rs143.luxsci.com>

What is the relation, if any, between the Vastu-sutra Upanishad and the so-called ?Vastu-shastra??

Thanks.

> On May 13, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Fabrice Duvinage <fabrice.duvinage at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> As a student, I had the opportunity to write a book about Indian bronzes. So I tried not to rely only on secondary sources and get deeper in primary sources, but it was a bit frustrating, the contents were kind of unexpected, not exactly what I would have hope to find. On the contrary, the Vastusutra Upanishad suited so well to my European mind that I doubted about its authenticity. I was a beginner and still feel like that after 30 years of research, but now I?ve heard and read that some people actually think that it might be not authentic. Does anybody knows about articles or serious research about it?
> 
> Sincerely yours, 
> 
> Fabrice Duvinage
> 10, rue Alfred M?zi?res
> 54000 Nancy
> 0652825128
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From dipak.d2004 at gmail.com  Sat May 14 07:04:05 2016
From: dipak.d2004 at gmail.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Sat, 14 May 16 12:34:05 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Authenticity of the Vastusutra Upanishad
In-Reply-To: <CA+-9AJy53YfDUKwDcw8zGg4bJFxcOVNBgshuZCDrdKWj_jwo9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABEB9qJ-YhDao=bC6omQMNbKun0Bz1AVWKQYK1knZ=37YWM7RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Arlo Griffiths *The Atharvaveda and its Paippal?da??kh?* Aachen 2007 p.145
states against my adverse remarks on the commentary and of M. Asher (JAOS
104 [1984], 599f.,) on the ?entire text? as mentioned by Griffiths (*loc
cit*), that his sources confirm that ?at least a text of this name has been
in circulation?

Best

DB

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Fabrice Duvinage <
fabrice.duvinage at gmail.com> wrote:

> As a student, I had the opportunity to write a book about Indian bronzes.
> So I tried not to rely only on secondary sources and get deeper in primary
> sources, but it was a bit frustrating, the contents were kind of
> unexpected, not exactly what I would have hope to find. On the contrary,
> the Vastusutra Upanishad suited so well to my European mind that I doubted
> about its authenticity. I was a beginner and still feel like that after 30
> years of research, but now I?ve heard and read that some people actually
> think that it might be not authentic. Does anybody knows about articles or
> serious research about it?
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Fabrice Duvinage
> 10, rue Alfred M?zi?res
> 54000 Nancy
> 0652825128
> http://fabriceduvinage.de/
>
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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Sat May 14 16:26:25 2016
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Sat, 14 May 16 18:26:25 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Devi Mahabhagavata Purana (?)
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf_vcsutQ5tm+d3sLMMR4e-scgZhW+_tZo1iKHO1_5FTFg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Indologists,

I'm looking for a pdf copy of this purana:

*Devi Mahabhagavata Purana. (Sanskrit Text with English Translation)*.
Edited and Translated by Shanti Lal Nagar.

I'm also wondering if the text is either the "Devibhagavatapurana" or the
less know and very later "Mahabhagavatapurana", another purana compiled in
Assam and where the Mahavidya goddesses emerged in connection with Kamakhya
hill. Or maybe it refers to the "Devipurana" ?

Thanks for the help.
Paolo

-- 
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Oriental Archaeologist
PhD candidate in "Civilisations of Asia and Africa"
Section: South Asia
Dep. Italian Institute of Oriental Studies (ISO)
'Sapienza' University of Rome
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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Sat May 14 16:40:53 2016
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Sat, 14 May 16 18:40:53 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Devi Mahabhagavata Purana (?)
In-Reply-To: <CAMOCTf_vcsutQ5tm+d3sLMMR4e-scgZhW+_tZo1iKHO1_5FTFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf9xGjp4C+fVjgw-BqyZ5Kif7zzwuGzvbr0PaUF31OEZqw@mail.gmail.com>

full edition:

*Devi Mahabhagavata Purana. (Sanskrit Text with English Translation)*.
Edited and Translated by Shanti Lal Nagar. 2014. New Delhi: Eastern Book
Linkers.

On 14 May 2016 at 18:26, Paolo Eugenio Rosati <paoloe.rosati at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Indologists,
>
> I'm looking for a pdf copy of this purana:
>
> *Devi Mahabhagavata Purana. (Sanskrit Text with English Translation)*.
> Edited and Translated by Shanti Lal Nagar.
>
> I'm also wondering if the text is either the "Devibhagavatapurana" or the
> less know and very later "Mahabhagavatapurana", another purana compiled in
> Assam and where the Mahavidya goddesses emerged in connection with Kamakhya
> hill. Or maybe it refers to the "Devipurana" ?
>
> Thanks for the help.
> Paolo
>
> --
> Paolo E. Rosati
> Oriental Archaeologist
> PhD candidate in "Civilisations of Asia and Africa"
> Section: South Asia
> Dep. Italian Institute of Oriental Studies (ISO)
> 'Sapienza' University of Rome
> *https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/
> <https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>*
> paoloe.rosati at uniroma1.it
> paoloe.rosati at gmail.com
> Skype: paoloe.rosati
> Mobile: (+39) 338 73 83 472
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Section: South Asia
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'Sapienza' University of Rome
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From Ruth.Satinsky at unil.ch  Sat May 14 21:36:32 2016
From: Ruth.Satinsky at unil.ch (Ruth Satinsky Sieber)
Date: Sat, 14 May 16 21:36:32 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_CALL_FOR_PAPERS:_Panel_on_=E2=80=9CBuddhist_Cosmology_and_Astral_Science=E2=80=9D_to_be_held_at_the_XVIIIth_IABS_Congress?=
Message-ID: <0A6C6DAE-02B1-425B-930C-693C94A5F910@unil.ch>

CALL FOR PAPERS
Panel on ?Buddhist Cosmology and Astral Science? to be held at the XVIIIth Congress of the International Association of Buddhist Studies (IABS)
University of Toronto
August 20-25, 2017

Dear Colleagues,

Papers addressing questions related to the following topic of the panel on ?Buddhist Cosmology and Astral Science? are invited:
Cosmological concepts, from the structure and evolution of the universe to the notion of space and time, form an important backdrop to the contents of many Buddhist texts. However, within the pan-Indian cultural and religious milieu, similar but often subtly varied cosmological concepts are embedded within a vast body of literature belonging to the Brahmanical, Jaina, or other heterodox traditions. Even amongst the Buddhist sources, there is an array of differing cosmological concepts from Abhidharma to the Tantric tradition. In some cases, cosmological notions may bear features of a particular cultural group or substratum. In other cases, hybridized notions may result from the contact among different traditions and cultures. How do all these converging and diverging concepts relate to each other? To what degree, if any, have they influenced each other? This panel would like to invite scholars from different specializations to examine and compare various cosmological concepts found in Buddhist literature with similar ones observed in other Indian traditions. Topics based on texts from a variety of domains, including sacred literature, jyotis?a, philosophy, science, sacred geography, history, architecture, and art history are welcome.

The submission period for abstracts opens May 15, 2016 and closes August 1, 2016.
Abstracts of no more than 500 words and preferably in Word and PDF format should be sent to Dr. Bill M. Mak mak at zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp<mailto:mak at zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp> and Ruth Satinsky ruth.satinsky at unil.ch<mailto:ruth.satinsky at unil.ch>, the convenors of the panel on ?Buddhist Cosmology and Astral Science.?
Please note: It is IABS policy that official Congress proceedings, including papers and presentations, be conducted in an English-language medium.

General information about panels (from the Second Circular http://www.iabs2017-uoft.ca/contact/ ):
?In following with past congresses, the proceedings in Toronto will consist of both panel presentations and paper sections. Panels have been proposed by their respective convenor(s), and will consist of no more than six papers, each 20 minutes in length, each followed by a 10 minute discussion period. All told, panels will last half a day, including a coffee and tea break after the first three papers. The organizers will strive to ensure that papers in each panel begin and end in unison to allow participants to attend select papers from multiple panels.?
 [?]
?Panels, unlike sections, are organized by their respective convenor(s), who are responsible for their academic standard, thematic cohesion, and timely submission. Should you wish to contribute a paper towards the conference that in your eyes may fit one of the announced panels, you should contact the convenor(s) directly through the email addresses provided below, before submitting a paper proposal to one of the sections. All decisions regarding acceptance of paper proposals are made by the convenor(s). Once panels have been filled, their convenor(s) can close the panels and direct further submissions to paper sections instead.?
An additional note to panel participants from the organizers:
?Panel participants in their role as speakers, convenors, moderators, or discussants are allowed to contribute to the conference in no more than one of these roles and in any of those roles only once. In other words, a speaker on a panel cannot function as a speaker or as a convenor, moderator or a discussant in any other panel or event during the conference. The purpose of this restriction is to allow for the greatest possible diversity of conference contributors and to avoid putting additional scheduling constraints onto the programming process with the aim of prioritizing a content-oriented scheduling of events rather than one that takes into account individual availability.?

Queries pertaining to the panel on ?Buddhist Cosmology and Astral Science? can be mailed to ruth.satinsky at unil.ch<mailto:ruth.satinsky at unil.ch> .  After July 1, 2016, they can be mailed to both ruth.satinsky at unil.ch<mailto:ruth.satinsky at unil.ch> and mak at zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp<mailto:mak at zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp> .

Otherwise, for general information pertaining to the panels, sections, academic program, schedule, IABS membership dues, registration fee, accomodations, visa requirements, etc., please consult the the website of the XVIIIth Congress of the IABS: http://www.iabs2017-uoft.ca/.

To receive official IABS XVIIIth Congress email notifications:
As all future communication will be distributed via email, those who wish to attend or stay abreast of Congress news should fill out the electronic ?Mailing List? request form found at the IABS website: http://www.iabs2017-uoft.ca/contact/. Please write to Christoph Emmrich, directly, if you have any questions or concerns about future communication: christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca<mailto:christoph.emmrich at utoronto.ca> .

IABS membership and Congress registration fee reminder (from the Second Circular):
?[The organizers] would like to remind everyone that they must be a fully paid member of IABS for the year 2017 in order to attend the event, deliver a paper, or sit on a panel in Toronto. To be a member of the association in 2017, those wishing to participate in the Congress will need to pay their IABS dues by December 31, 2016. All participants will also need to pay a Congress registration fee used to help cover the cost of hosting the event (cf. Second Circular). IABS membership can be secured through the online form at the IABS website: www.iabsinfo.net<http://www.iabsinfo.net/>. Kindly keep in mind that on registration, to complete the process aspiring participants will be required to provide proof of payment of their IABS dues for 2017. Initial enquiries about eligibility should be sent to the association?s Secretary General, Dr. Ulrich Pagel (up1 at soas.ac.uk)<mailto:up1 at soas.ac.uk)>.?
The convenors of the IABS panel on ?Buddhist Cosmology and Astral Science?

Dr. Bill M. Mak
Associate Professor
Institute for Research in Humanities  Kyoto University
mak at zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp<mailto:mak at zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp>

and

Ruth Satinsky
PhD Candidate
Department of Slavic and South Asian Languages and Civilizations
Faculty of Arts
University of Lausanne
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From l.den.boer.1 at gmail.com  Sun May 15 11:27:01 2016
From: l.den.boer.1 at gmail.com (Lucas den Boer)
Date: Sun, 15 May 16 13:27:01 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Leiden Indian Philosophy Symposium (LIPS)
Message-ID: <CAOaEe9Tz34sObkO=riuQ-1zJci0xF7nrXu7kqk-yPePnjp+gRw@mail.gmail.com>

Upcoming: Leiden Indian Philosophy Symposium (LIPS)

May 20, 2016 - at Leiden University.

The conference focuses on philosophical problems in the Indian tradition.
Alex Watson (Ashoka University) will deliver a keynote on ?God, No-God and
Indian Logic: Jayanta's Philosophy of Religion?. The lineup includes talks
on ethics (Stephen Harris), logic (Marie-H?l?ne Gorisse), metaphysics
(Michael Williams), aesthetics (Daniele Cuneo) and epistemology (Lucas den
Boer).

More details available at
https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/events/2016/05/leiden-indian-philosophy-symposium-lips


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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Sun May 15 17:30:59 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Sun, 15 May 16 19:30:59 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_earliest_date_of_p=C4=AB=E1=B9=ADh=C4=81's?=
Message-ID: <CALNcvFta1BJnZqMKyDrNEZUdz7JUWuR9QFKxq_TNWs9vJUawkg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

Let me first express my gratitude to those of you who have shared their
knowledge with me. I was unwell and unable to thank you at the proper
moment.

And - now. What is the earliest, archaeologically confirmed, date for the
Sati-devi cult practices performed in the sanctuaries - known as p??h?'s?

With regards,

Artur Karp (ret.)
South Asian Studies Deptt
University of Warsaw
Poland


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From r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org  Mon May 16 05:24:28 2016
From: r.mahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica)
Date: Mon, 16 May 16 17:24:28 +1200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] RESOURCE> New material in Indica et Buddhica Scholia
Message-ID: <20160516172428.00005dd1@indica-et-buddhica.org>

Dear Colleagues,

Scholia is an open and freely available database for Asian and
Buddhist Studies:

Scholia | Scholiast
http://indica-et-buddhica.org/scholia-scholiast

We have just increased the material in Scholia by 80,169 records. The 
database is now holding 155,062?records, including:

* Archives of Asian art (1966-2011)
* Ars orientalis (1954-2010)
* Artibus Asiae (1925-2009)
* Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies (1940-2013)
* East and west (1950-2009)
* Harvard journal of Asiatic studies (1936-2009)
* The Journal of Asian studies (1956-2013)
* Journal of the American Academy of Religion (1967-2013)
* Journal of the American Oriental Society (1843-2014)
* Journal of Indian philosophy (1970-2013)
* Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society (1834-2012)
* Monumenta serica (1935-2009)
* Numen (1954-2012)
* Oriens (1948-2013)
* T'ung pao (1890-2012)


For further details please see:

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With best regards,

?Richard



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From fabrice.duvinage at gmail.com  Mon May 16 13:48:14 2016
From: fabrice.duvinage at gmail.com (Fabrice Duvinage)
Date: Mon, 16 May 16 15:48:14 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Authenticity of the Vastusutra Upanishad (HdGoswami)	and (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Message-ID: <CA+-9AJz2RqQn+dc3yij1h=uYM5RuK8xmr-RD29N65LmzhhcSWg@mail.gmail.com>

The only review of the book I found is from Rita Regnier in Arts
asiatiques, Ann?e 1985, Volume 40, Num?ro 1, p. 136 - 137
<http://www.persee.fr/doc/arasi_0004-3958_1985_num_40_1_1193_t1_0136_0000_1>
She doesn?t contest directly its authenticity. But she notes that the
manuscripts were discovered after the publication of her *Principles of
composition in Hindu Sculpture*, and that there are unknown elsewhere (the
fact the title would have been known wouldn?t be enough, if no text cites
its content). She further says that the very title is surprising, because
it hardly could be considered as an Upanishad and that its scope is more
shilpa shastric than vastu (it is not about architecture in general, but
only about sculptures ? Does it answer to the question of Hd Goswami?). She
further remarks that it doesn?t consist in injunctions about the making of
the images, but analyses the composition of the images, theorizes about the
essence of form, etc. Alice boner gives the XVIII c. as date for the text,
according to mathematic knowledge which spread in India at that time. In
Wikipedia, it becomes already ?the oldest known Silpa Sastra text? (sic).
(Maybe because of the word ?Upanishad?)

@* Dipak Bhattacharya: *Thanks for your answer, but I don?t have the text
of Aldo Griffiths and I don?t know what your adverse remarks were. Could
you be more explicit?

The main point is that the approach of the text is so western styled, the
parallel between shulva principles and shilpa, the correlation between
mudra and bhava, between yupa and r?pa would suit so well to an indological
analysis that it still seems to suiting to be real. Last but not least, the
fact that no philologist got interested in that matter gives the impression
that Indian art is not taken as seriously as Indian philosophy.

Cordialement,
Fabrice Duvinage
10, rue Alfred M?zi?res
54000 Nancy
0652825128
http://fabriceduvinage.de/


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From dipak.d2004 at gmail.com  Mon May 16 15:22:21 2016
From: dipak.d2004 at gmail.com (Dipak Bhattacharya)
Date: Mon, 16 May 16 20:52:21 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Authenticity of the Vastusutra Upanishad (HdGoswami) and (Dipak Bhattacharya)
In-Reply-To: <CA+-9AJz2RqQn+dc3yij1h=uYM5RuK8xmr-RD29N65LmzhhcSWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABEB9qLOaAYUTPFjiRT32WKU78zqV5B8LAG9+iJww7qBrNeQLg@mail.gmail.com>

I wrote a foreword like essay 'The position of the Vaastusuutra Upanisad in
the Atharvavedic literature', pp.30-36 *Vaastusuutra Upanishad* Boner,
Sarma,Baumer MLBD 1982. I argued that 1750 was the upper limit of the date
of the composition of the commentary and tht it was an unusually late date
for such a text.I heard that it was reprinted later but I have not seen
that. I was not happy with the text.
Best
DB

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Fabrice Duvinage <
fabrice.duvinage at gmail.com> wrote:

> The only review of the book I found is from Rita Regnier in Arts
> asiatiques, Ann?e 1985, Volume 40, Num?ro 1, p. 136 - 137
> <http://www.persee.fr/doc/arasi_0004-3958_1985_num_40_1_1193_t1_0136_0000_1>
> She doesn?t contest directly its authenticity. But she notes that the
> manuscripts were discovered after the publication of her *Principles of
> composition in Hindu Sculpture*, and that there are unknown elsewhere
> (the fact the title would have been known wouldn?t be enough, if no text
> cites its content). She further says that the very title is surprising,
> because it hardly could be considered as an Upanishad and that its scope is
> more shilpa shastric than vastu (it is not about architecture in general,
> but only about sculptures ? Does it answer to the question of Hd Goswami?).
> She further remarks that it doesn?t consist in injunctions about the making
> of the images, but analyses the composition of the images, theorizes about
> the essence of form, etc. Alice boner gives the XVIII c. as date for the
> text, according to mathematic knowledge which spread in India at that time.
> In Wikipedia, it becomes already ?the oldest known Silpa Sastra text?
> (sic). (Maybe because of the word ?Upanishad?)
>
> @* Dipak Bhattacharya: *Thanks for your answer, but I don?t have the text
> of Aldo Griffiths and I don?t know what your adverse remarks were. Could
> you be more explicit?
>
> The main point is that the approach of the text is so western styled, the
> parallel between shulva principles and shilpa, the correlation between
> mudra and bhava, between yupa and r?pa would suit so well to an indological
> analysis that it still seems to suiting to be real. Last but not least, the
> fact that no philologist got interested in that matter gives the impression
> that Indian art is not taken as seriously as Indian philosophy.
>
> Cordialement,
> Fabrice Duvinage
> 10, rue Alfred M?zi?res
> 54000 Nancy
> 0652825128
> http://fabriceduvinage.de/
>
> _______________________________________________
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From chiara.policardi at gmail.com  Mon May 16 18:15:35 2016
From: chiara.policardi at gmail.com (Chiara Policardi)
Date: Mon, 16 May 16 20:15:35 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Pdf request
Message-ID: <CAAsHCVr1ccfGNjKmaxqZh6oq61Ot9eMgZ20F5=CHjnbcNKH1RA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Members of the List,

I would be most grateful for a pdf of the following study:

   -

   Banerji [1931] 1998, *The Haiyayas of Tripuri and their Monuments*.
   Memoirs of the Archaeological Survey of India, 23. New Delhi.

I have found only a very bad quality pdf on DLI.

With many thanks in advance,
Chiara Policardi

PhD candidate
La Sapienza University of Rome


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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Mon May 16 18:32:23 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Mon, 16 May 16 20:32:23 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
Message-ID: <CALNcvFtv8rsRkqNnbFGKiRLMZCW2i98uMdpdVzkEmNxujHwnQw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues.

one more question.

Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure
chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the
Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations,
etc.)?

Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?

Artur Karp

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From hr at ivs.edu  Mon May 16 23:02:47 2016
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Mon, 16 May 16 16:02:47 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFtv8rsRkqNnbFGKiRLMZCW2i98uMdpdVzkEmNxujHwnQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E19531DB-2A81-47A7-9617-4AC6E7D5B5A9@ivs.edu>

Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort ? purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention or will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti begets?by my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and elsewhere, we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin ontology of body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications of karma.

These are well known approaches to causality.

I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has considered pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt, to be a legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.

Howard


> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
> 
> Dear Colleagues. 
> 
> one more question. 
> 
> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
> 
> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
> 
> Artur Karp
> 
> Poland
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue May 17 03:33:52 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 09:03:52 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <E19531DB-2A81-47A7-9617-4AC6E7D5B5A9@ivs.edu>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9ebZxKdHiRvETmQetiGMwY_dmJj_seE4uU1bh9+a76neyg@mail.gmail.com>

1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance -
but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian
Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?

and

2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?

are entirely two different things.

#1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.

Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure chance in
ancient Sanskrit narratives.

#2 & #3 could be considered as connected.

#1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:

> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort ?
> purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention or
> will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti begets?by
> my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and elsewhere,
> we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin ontology of
> body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications of karma.
>
> These are well known approaches to causality.
>
> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has considered
> pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt, to be a
> legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
>
> Howard
>
>
> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues.
>
> one more question.
>
> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure
> chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the
> Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations,
> etc.)?
>
> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>
> Artur Karp
>
> Poland
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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> committee)
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From ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com  Tue May 17 05:52:43 2016
From: ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Mon, 16 May 16 22:52:43 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <E19531DB-2A81-47A7-9617-4AC6E7D5B5A9@ivs.edu>
Message-ID: <6F561F7D-1338-49D5-809F-44B69798586D@gmail.com>

On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl <mailto:karp at uw.edu.pl>> wrote:
>Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?<

One can make a case to the effect that the composition of ?gveda 10.129, the N?sad?ya-s?kta, must have been an event that influenced the development of Indian civilization in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc. I do not understand why such an event  must be something ?that happened accidentally, by pure chance?. However, I would not mind if the N?sad?ya is thought of as meeting that condition, since all great poetic-philosophic compositions are indeed outcomes of accidents that take place in the mind ? are not explicable as purely linear movements or logical developments; the poets have to see something that others have not derived ? that transcend the mere sum of parts. 

Without the N?sad?ya (and possibly a few other compositions resembling it), the phenomenon of religions that almost entirely subsume heresy and a mind-boggling diversity of divinities ? religions that almost never clash with atheism or secularism ? would not have taken place in India. (I recall reading ?secular religion?, which might seem a contradiction in terms, as a description of Hinduism in one of Louis Renou?s publications.) 

On May 16, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has considered pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt, to be a legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.<

I am not sure about how yad?cch? and akasm?t can be reconciled with ?legitimate?. I will assume that ?legitimate? is intended here in some such sense as ?entertainable, considered worthy of taking up for discussion as a possibility when such other causes as God or atoms are taken up for discussion.? 

The ?vet??vatara Upani?ad avails itself of the possibility in its verse 1.2: k?la? sva-bh?vo niyatir yad?cch? ?

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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue May 17 07:25:23 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 12:55:23 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9ebZxKdHiRvETmQetiGMwY_dmJj_seE4uU1bh9+a76neyg@mail.gmail.com>
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3. the aspect of pure chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
Mrichchhakatika is where the author clearly mentions bhavitavyataa as one
of the themes of the play. The entire play has a series of dramatic turns
of events each of which occur just by pure chance.

Element of fate in Shakespeare's plays is a widely discussed theme. I guess
that this could have inspired some to take up a similar theme with regard
to Sanskrit plays.

Many s'aapa events in Sanskrit narratives involve 'pure chance', and the
s'aapa turns out to be the cause for later events. Dasaratha getting cursed
by Sravanakumara's parents is just by pure chance. But it is this curse
which causes Rama's vanavaasa and all the later events.

In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front of
Bharata who was angry with him, blaming her demands on the power of the
curse and makes Bharata say, "this has scope for a lot of thinking " (
something like "good point!")

In popular exegesis in India, quite often taking the form of folk songs,
many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure chance
and power of fate.

Good topic if not yet covered.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> 1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance -
> but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian
> Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
>
> and
>
> 2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>
> are entirely two different things.
>
> #1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.
>
> Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure chance in
> ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>
> #2 & #3 could be considered as connected.
>
> #1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>
>> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort ?
>> purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention or
>> will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti begets?by
>> my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and elsewhere,
>> we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin ontology of
>> body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications of karma.
>>
>> These are well known approaches to causality.
>>
>> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has considered
>> pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt, to be a
>> legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues.
>>
>> one more question.
>>
>> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure
>> chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the
>> Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations,
>> etc.)?
>>
>> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>
>> Artur Karp
>>
>> Poland
>> _______________________________________________
>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>> committee)
>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options or
>> unsubscribe)
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue May 17 08:05:15 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 13:35:15 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eaDXivc_zkxL+sjx6WLH8EmDnyMwchFnoAKHRP0aRU4JQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Correction:
In
In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front of
Bharata who was angry with* him*,

its not him, but her

In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front of
Bharata who was angry with* her*

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> 3. the aspect of pure chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
> Mrichchhakatika is where the author clearly mentions bhavitavyataa as one
> of the themes of the play. The entire play has a series of dramatic turns
> of events each of which occur just by pure chance.
>
> Element of fate in Shakespeare's plays is a widely discussed theme. I
> guess that this could have inspired some to take up a similar theme with
> regard to Sanskrit plays.
>
> Many s'aapa events in Sanskrit narratives involve 'pure chance', and the
> s'aapa turns out to be the cause for later events. Dasaratha getting cursed
> by Sravanakumara's parents is just by pure chance. But it is this curse
> which causes Rama's vanavaasa and all the later events.
>
> In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front of
> Bharata who was angry with him, blaming her demands on the power of the
> curse and makes Bharata say, "this has scope for a lot of thinking " (
> something like "good point!")
>
> In popular exegesis in India, quite often taking the form of folk songs,
> many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure chance
> and power of fate.
>
> Good topic if not yet covered.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance -
>> but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian
>> Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>
>> are entirely two different things.
>>
>> #1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.
>>
>> Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure chance in
>> ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>
>> #2 & #3 could be considered as connected.
>>
>> #1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort ?
>>> purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention or
>>> will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti begets?by
>>> my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and elsewhere,
>>> we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin ontology of
>>> body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications of karma.
>>>
>>> These are well known approaches to causality.
>>>
>>> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has considered
>>> pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt, to be a
>>> legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
>>>
>>> Howard
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues.
>>>
>>> one more question.
>>>
>>> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by
>>> pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of
>>> the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social
>>> relations, etc.)?
>>>
>>> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>
>>> Artur Karp
>>>
>>> Poland
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>>> committee)
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>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
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-- 
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From christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be  Tue May 17 08:08:44 2016
From: christophe.vielle at uclouvain.be (Christophe Vielle)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 10:08:44 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9ebZxKdHiRvETmQetiGMwY_dmJj_seE4uU1bh9+a76neyg@mail.gmail.com>
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#2 reminds me of the

k?kat?l?ya-ny?ya 
See JACOB George. A handful of popular maxims current in Sanskrit literature (Part 1), 1907, p. 17

https://archive.org/stream/handfulofpopular01jacoiala#page/16/mode/2up

also Apte Pract. Dict. Appendix on maxims p. 58  

Best wishes,
Christophe Vielle
 
Le 17 mai 2016 ? 05:33, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> 1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
> 
> and
> 
> 2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
> 
> are entirely two different things.
> 
> #1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.
> 
> Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
> 
> #2 & #3 could be considered as connected.
> 
> #1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.
> 
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort ? purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention or will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti begets?by my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and elsewhere, we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin ontology of body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications of karma.
> 
> These are well known approaches to causality.
> 
> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has considered pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt, to be a legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
> 
> Howard
> 
> 
>> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Colleagues. 
>> 
>> one more question. 
>> 
>> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
>> 
>> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>> 
>> Artur Karp
>> 
>> Poland
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> Nagaraj Paturi
>  
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>  
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>  
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
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> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Tue May 17 08:12:23 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 10:12:23 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eaDXivc_zkxL+sjx6WLH8EmDnyMwchFnoAKHRP0aRU4JQ@mail.gmail.com>
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When Sati's body is dismembered - do parts of it fall down on the earth
according to some plan? Or - is their dispersal purely accidental?
Legitimating in this way the haphazard geography of old (tribal) shrines
devoted to female divinities?

Does Garuda lose the four drops of amrita in a planned way? Or - are they
lost by pure chance? Do they land - purely accidentally - in places
possessing - by pure chance - terrain features suitable for establishing
large pilgrimage centers?

Artur

PS. I try to recall the mythical (puranic?) narrative, no success. A king,
meets someone, purely accidentally, has sex with that person, and that
results in his becoming pregnant. And, after nine months, a child is born,
out of its father/mother's left side. Now - what happened to the child?

A,

2016-05-17 9:25 GMT+02:00 Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>:

> 3. the aspect of pure chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
> Mrichchhakatika is where the author clearly mentions bhavitavyataa as one
> of the themes of the play. The entire play has a series of dramatic turns
> of events each of which occur just by pure chance.
>
> Element of fate in Shakespeare's plays is a widely discussed theme. I
> guess that this could have inspired some to take up a similar theme with
> regard to Sanskrit plays.
>
> Many s'aapa events in Sanskrit narratives involve 'pure chance', and the
> s'aapa turns out to be the cause for later events. Dasaratha getting cursed
> by Sravanakumara's parents is just by pure chance. But it is this curse
> which causes Rama's vanavaasa and all the later events.
>
> In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front of
> Bharata who was angry with him, blaming her demands on the power of the
> curse and makes Bharata say, "this has scope for a lot of thinking " (
> something like "good point!")
>
> In popular exegesis in India, quite often taking the form of folk songs,
> many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure chance
> and power of fate.
>
> Good topic if not yet covered.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance -
>> but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian
>> Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>
>> are entirely two different things.
>>
>> #1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.
>>
>> Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure chance in
>> ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>
>> #2 & #3 could be considered as connected.
>>
>> #1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort ?
>>> purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention or
>>> will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti begets?by
>>> my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and elsewhere,
>>> we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin ontology of
>>> body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications of karma.
>>>
>>> These are well known approaches to causality.
>>>
>>> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has considered
>>> pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt, to be a
>>> legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
>>>
>>> Howard
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues.
>>>
>>> one more question.
>>>
>>> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by
>>> pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of
>>> the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social
>>> relations, etc.)?
>>>
>>> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>
>>> Artur Karp
>>>
>>> Poland
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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>>> committee)
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Tue May 17 08:16:49 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 10:16:49 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFtixhENG8Qe31BoXpywho_WWj2=BsFhLknnHB6vCZz6OA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFtSFtJ45j0VPnvNBfywF1dxSKUgV1UrF6S4-Lsk+mgbdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Nagaraj Paturi wrote:

>> ... many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure
chance and power of fate.

I think one needs to differentiate between 'chance' and 'fate'.

Artur

2016-05-17 10:12 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:

> When Sati's body is dismembered - do parts of it fall down on the earth
> according to some plan? Or - is their dispersal purely accidental?
> Legitimating in this way the haphazard geography of old (tribal) shrines
> devoted to female divinities?
>
> Does Garuda lose the four drops of amrita in a planned way? Or - are they
> lost by pure chance? Do they land - purely accidentally - in places
> possessing - by pure chance - terrain features suitable for establishing
> large pilgrimage centers?
>
> Artur
>
> PS. I try to recall the mythical (puranic?) narrative, no success. A king,
> meets someone, purely accidentally, has sex with that person, and that
> results in his becoming pregnant. And, after nine months, a child is born,
> out of its father/mother's left side. Now - what happened to the child?
>
> A,
>
> 2016-05-17 9:25 GMT+02:00 Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>:
>
>> 3. the aspect of pure chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>> Mrichchhakatika is where the author clearly mentions bhavitavyataa as one
>> of the themes of the play. The entire play has a series of dramatic turns
>> of events each of which occur just by pure chance.
>>
>> Element of fate in Shakespeare's plays is a widely discussed theme. I
>> guess that this could have inspired some to take up a similar theme with
>> regard to Sanskrit plays.
>>
>> Many s'aapa events in Sanskrit narratives involve 'pure chance', and the
>> s'aapa turns out to be the cause for later events. Dasaratha getting cursed
>> by Sravanakumara's parents is just by pure chance. But it is this curse
>> which causes Rama's vanavaasa and all the later events.
>>
>> In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front of
>> Bharata who was angry with him, blaming her demands on the power of the
>> curse and makes Bharata say, "this has scope for a lot of thinking " (
>> something like "good point!")
>>
>> In popular exegesis in India, quite often taking the form of folk songs,
>> many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure chance
>> and power of fate.
>>
>> Good topic if not yet covered.
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance -
>>> but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian
>>> Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> 2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>
>>> are entirely two different things.
>>>
>>> #1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.
>>>
>>> Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure chance in
>>> ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>>
>>> #2 & #3 could be considered as connected.
>>>
>>> #1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort ?
>>>> purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention or
>>>> will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti begets?by
>>>> my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and elsewhere,
>>>> we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin ontology of
>>>> body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications of karma.
>>>>
>>>> These are well known approaches to causality.
>>>>
>>>> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has
>>>> considered pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt,
>>>> to be a legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
>>>>
>>>> Howard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues.
>>>>
>>>> one more question.
>>>>
>>>> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by
>>>> pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of
>>>> the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social
>>>> relations, etc.)?
>>>>
>>>> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>>
>>>> Artur Karp
>>>>
>>>> Poland
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>> committee)
>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> committee)
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>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue May 17 08:46:06 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 14:16:06 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFtSFtJ45j0VPnvNBfywF1dxSKUgV1UrF6S4-Lsk+mgbdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Chance is not the same as fate, I agree. When individuals are affected by
events occurring by chance, it is attributed to their fate. In the key
events in Ramayana and Mahabharata which are attributed to pure chance and
power of fate, the folk songs articulating popular exegesis lament that the
individuals are affected by  events occurring by chance, and attribute
it to the fate of the individuals.


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:

> Nagaraj Paturi wrote:
>
> >> ... many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure
> chance and power of fate.
>
> I think one needs to differentiate between 'chance' and 'fate'.
>
> Artur
>
> 2016-05-17 10:12 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:
>
>> When Sati's body is dismembered - do parts of it fall down on the earth
>> according to some plan? Or - is their dispersal purely accidental?
>> Legitimating in this way the haphazard geography of old (tribal) shrines
>> devoted to female divinities?
>>
>> Does Garuda lose the four drops of amrita in a planned way? Or - are they
>> lost by pure chance? Do they land - purely accidentally - in places
>> possessing - by pure chance - terrain features suitable for establishing
>> large pilgrimage centers?
>>
>> Artur
>>
>> PS. I try to recall the mythical (puranic?) narrative, no success. A
>> king, meets someone, purely accidentally, has sex with that person, and
>> that results in his becoming pregnant. And, after nine months, a child is
>> born, out of its father/mother's left side. Now - what happened to the
>> child?
>>
>> A,
>>
>> 2016-05-17 9:25 GMT+02:00 Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> 3. the aspect of pure chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>> Mrichchhakatika is where the author clearly mentions bhavitavyataa as
>>> one of the themes of the play. The entire play has a series of dramatic
>>> turns of events each of which occur just by pure chance.
>>>
>>> Element of fate in Shakespeare's plays is a widely discussed theme. I
>>> guess that this could have inspired some to take up a similar theme with
>>> regard to Sanskrit plays.
>>>
>>> Many s'aapa events in Sanskrit narratives involve 'pure chance', and the
>>> s'aapa turns out to be the cause for later events. Dasaratha getting cursed
>>> by Sravanakumara's parents is just by pure chance. But it is this curse
>>> which causes Rama's vanavaasa and all the later events.
>>>
>>> In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front of
>>> Bharata who was angry with him, blaming her demands on the power of the
>>> curse and makes Bharata say, "this has scope for a lot of thinking " (
>>> something like "good point!")
>>>
>>> In popular exegesis in India, quite often taking the form of folk songs,
>>> many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure chance
>>> and power of fate.
>>>
>>> Good topic if not yet covered.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance -
>>>> but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian
>>>> Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> 2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>>
>>>> are entirely two different things.
>>>>
>>>> #1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.
>>>>
>>>> Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure chance
>>>> in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>>>
>>>> #2 & #3 could be considered as connected.
>>>>
>>>> #1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort ?
>>>>> purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention or
>>>>> will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti begets?by
>>>>> my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and elsewhere,
>>>>> we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin ontology of
>>>>> body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications of karma.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are well known approaches to causality.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has
>>>>> considered pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt,
>>>>> to be a legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Howard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Colleagues.
>>>>>
>>>>> one more question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by
>>>>> pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of
>>>>> the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social
>>>>> relations, etc.)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>>>
>>>>> Artur Karp
>>>>>
>>>>> Poland
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>> committee)
>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> committee)
>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list options
>>>>> or unsubscribe)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>
>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>
>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>
>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>
>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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From nagarajpaturi at gmail.com  Tue May 17 08:58:40 2016
From: nagarajpaturi at gmail.com (Nagaraj Paturi)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 14:28:40 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eZ2rg+R5T1okyoMuFqPM4cGNim-oFuD-BvXsFW1RGu2LA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGj9eY4Kw368f+AQS8bbDOW9KGhi-n0+oDQHt1PTW3fDRyb5g@mail.gmail.com>

> When Sati's body is dismembered - do parts of it fall down on the earth
according to some plan? Or - is their dispersal purely accidental?
Legitimating in this way the haphazard geography of old (tribal) shrines
devoted to female divinities?


------- It is common knowledge in myth studies that myths, not only Indian,
'explain' the facts or their intriguing aspects. Are you calling this
'explaining' as 'legitimating'?

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chance is not the same as fate, I agree. When individuals are affected by
> events occurring by chance, it is attributed to their fate. In the key
> events in Ramayana and Mahabharata which are attributed to pure chance and
> power of fate, the folk songs articulating popular exegesis lament that the
> individuals are affected by  events occurring by chance, and attribute
> it to the fate of the individuals.
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>
>> Nagaraj Paturi wrote:
>>
>> >> ... many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to
>> pure chance and power of fate.
>>
>> I think one needs to differentiate between 'chance' and 'fate'.
>>
>> Artur
>>
>> 2016-05-17 10:12 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:
>>
>>> When Sati's body is dismembered - do parts of it fall down on the earth
>>> according to some plan? Or - is their dispersal purely accidental?
>>> Legitimating in this way the haphazard geography of old (tribal) shrines
>>> devoted to female divinities?
>>>
>>> Does Garuda lose the four drops of amrita in a planned way? Or - are
>>> they lost by pure chance? Do they land - purely accidentally - in places
>>> possessing - by pure chance - terrain features suitable for establishing
>>> large pilgrimage centers?
>>>
>>> Artur
>>>
>>> PS. I try to recall the mythical (puranic?) narrative, no success. A
>>> king, meets someone, purely accidentally, has sex with that person, and
>>> that results in his becoming pregnant. And, after nine months, a child is
>>> born, out of its father/mother's left side. Now - what happened to the
>>> child?
>>>
>>> A,
>>>
>>> 2016-05-17 9:25 GMT+02:00 Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> 3. the aspect of pure chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>>> Mrichchhakatika is where the author clearly mentions bhavitavyataa as
>>>> one of the themes of the play. The entire play has a series of dramatic
>>>> turns of events each of which occur just by pure chance.
>>>>
>>>> Element of fate in Shakespeare's plays is a widely discussed theme. I
>>>> guess that this could have inspired some to take up a similar theme with
>>>> regard to Sanskrit plays.
>>>>
>>>> Many s'aapa events in Sanskrit narratives involve 'pure chance', and
>>>> the s'aapa turns out to be the cause for later events. Dasaratha getting
>>>> cursed by Sravanakumara's parents is just by pure chance. But it is this
>>>> curse which causes Rama's vanavaasa and all the later events.
>>>>
>>>> In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front of
>>>> Bharata who was angry with him, blaming her demands on the power of the
>>>> curse and makes Bharata say, "this has scope for a lot of thinking " (
>>>> something like "good point!")
>>>>
>>>> In popular exegesis in India, quite often taking the form of folk
>>>> songs, many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure
>>>> chance and power of fate.
>>>>
>>>> Good topic if not yet covered.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <
>>>> nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance
>>>>> - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian
>>>>> Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>>>
>>>>> are entirely two different things.
>>>>>
>>>>> #1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure chance
>>>>> in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>>>>
>>>>> #2 & #3 could be considered as connected.
>>>>>
>>>>> #1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort
>>>>>> ? purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention
>>>>>> or will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti
>>>>>> begets?by my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and
>>>>>> elsewhere, we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin
>>>>>> ontology of body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications
>>>>>> of karma.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are well known approaches to causality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has
>>>>>> considered pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt,
>>>>>> to be a legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Colleagues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> one more question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by
>>>>>> pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of
>>>>>> the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social
>>>>>> relations, etc.)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Artur Karp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poland
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>>> committee)
>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>>>>> options or unsubscribe)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>>> committee)
>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>>>>> options or unsubscribe)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>>
>>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>>
>>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>>
>>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>
>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>
>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>
>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>
>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
>



-- 
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FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Tue May 17 10:57:05 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 12:57:05 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_earliest_date_of_p=C4=AB=E1=B9=ADh=C4=81's?=
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFta1BJnZqMKyDrNEZUdz7JUWuR9QFKxq_TNWs9vJUawkg@mail.gmail.com>
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May I repeat my enquiry

- about the earliest, archaeologically confirmed date for the Sati-devi
shrines known as p??ha?

Artur Karp

2016-05-15 19:30 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Let me first express my gratitude to those of you who have shared their
> knowledge with me. I was unwell and unable to thank you at the proper
> moment.
>
> And - now. What is the earliest, archaeologically confirmed, date for the
> Sati-devi cult practices performed in the sanctuaries - known as p??h?'s?
>
> With regards,
>
> Artur Karp (ret.)
> South Asian Studies Deptt
> University of Warsaw
> Poland
>


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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue May 17 12:40:47 2016
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 13:40:47 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Post-doc fellowship offered
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-CefP+B41_vFt9h=TKVwO1Gh079hJS639=vba4R6dNpG2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cd6q9+E3b9N4LRPiSwXHqdLM3V9veJGnGeEwTj2pOymTQ@mail.gmail.com>

I got your email, but I can't answer at present.  Will respond asap.
Dominik

--
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Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
University of Alberta, Canada

On 6 May 2016 at 23:05, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Banting Postdoctoral Fellowship
> <http://banting.fellowships-bourses.gc.ca/en/home-accueil.html> is a
> prestigious two-year
> ?research grant ?
> program offered at Canadian universities
> ?,?
> aimed at the highest-calibre
> ?recent PhDs
> from Canada and abroad
> ?.?
>
> The University of Alberta has just advertised it's Banting Postdoctoral
> Fellowship application procedure for September 2017 submissions.  The
> application procedure is somewhat complex, with applications first being
> prepared through the University of Alberta, and only then being submitted
> onwards to the relevant Canadian Research Council.
>
> The University of Alberta's procedures are described here:
>
>    - http://www.postdoc.ualberta.ca/FundingandFellowships/Banting.aspx
>
> There are numerous eligibility criteria, including the requirement
> ?that a
> pplicants to the 2017 program must fulfill or have fulfilled all degree
> requirements for a PhD between September 21, 2013 and September 30, 2017.
>
> If you think you would like to apply for a Banting Fellowship to work on
> an indological topic at the University of Alberta, please contact me
> personally in the first instance.  Competition is tough, and the
> application is a two-stage process with the preliminary application
> package due on June 10, 2016. Those preliminary packages will be reviewed
> by adjudication committees; selected nominees will be instructed on
> submission of the full application package by August 31, 2016.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dominik Wujastyk
>
> --
> Professor Dominik Wujastyk* <http://ualberta.Academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
> Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
> Department of History and Classics
> <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Tue May 17 12:56:13 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 14:56:13 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CAJGj9eY4Kw368f+AQS8bbDOW9KGhi-n0+oDQHt1PTW3fDRyb5g@mail.gmail.com>
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> Are you calling this 'explaining' as 'legitimating'?

The mythical story in question serves as an instrument of legitimation and
prestige. As I would see it - the element of "pure chance" contained in the
story makes it possible to treat new cultic practices as *safe*.

No element of planned revolt there, but deep changes in the traditional
pattern of religious life: broader base of social participation,
empowerment of women, new class of priests.

Best,

Artur

2016-05-17 10:58 GMT+02:00 Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>:

> > When Sati's body is dismembered - do parts of it fall down on the earth
> according to some plan? Or - is their dispersal purely accidental?
> Legitimating in this way the haphazard geography of old (tribal) shrines
> devoted to female divinities?
>
>
> ------- It is common knowledge in myth studies that myths, not only
> Indian, 'explain' the facts or their intriguing aspects. Are you calling
> this 'explaining' as 'legitimating'?
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Chance is not the same as fate, I agree. When individuals are affected
>> by  events occurring by chance, it is attributed to their fate. In the
>> key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata which are attributed to pure chance
>> and power of fate, the folk songs articulating popular exegesis lament that
>> the  individuals are affected by  events occurring by
>> chance, and attribute it to the fate of the individuals.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>
>>> Nagaraj Paturi wrote:
>>>
>>> >> ... many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to
>>> pure chance and power of fate.
>>>
>>> I think one needs to differentiate between 'chance' and 'fate'.
>>>
>>> Artur
>>>
>>> 2016-05-17 10:12 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:
>>>
>>>> When Sati's body is dismembered - do parts of it fall down on the earth
>>>> according to some plan? Or - is their dispersal purely accidental?
>>>> Legitimating in this way the haphazard geography of old (tribal) shrines
>>>> devoted to female divinities?
>>>>
>>>> Does Garuda lose the four drops of amrita in a planned way? Or - are
>>>> they lost by pure chance? Do they land - purely accidentally - in places
>>>> possessing - by pure chance - terrain features suitable for establishing
>>>> large pilgrimage centers?
>>>>
>>>> Artur
>>>>
>>>> PS. I try to recall the mythical (puranic?) narrative, no success. A
>>>> king, meets someone, purely accidentally, has sex with that person, and
>>>> that results in his becoming pregnant. And, after nine months, a child is
>>>> born, out of its father/mother's left side. Now - what happened to the
>>>> child?
>>>>
>>>> A,
>>>>
>>>> 2016-05-17 9:25 GMT+02:00 Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> 3. the aspect of pure chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>>>> Mrichchhakatika is where the author clearly mentions bhavitavyataa as
>>>>> one of the themes of the play. The entire play has a series of dramatic
>>>>> turns of events each of which occur just by pure chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Element of fate in Shakespeare's plays is a widely discussed theme. I
>>>>> guess that this could have inspired some to take up a similar theme with
>>>>> regard to Sanskrit plays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many s'aapa events in Sanskrit narratives involve 'pure chance', and
>>>>> the s'aapa turns out to be the cause for later events. Dasaratha getting
>>>>> cursed by Sravanakumara's parents is just by pure chance. But it is this
>>>>> curse which causes Rama's vanavaasa and all the later events.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front of
>>>>> Bharata who was angry with him, blaming her demands on the power of the
>>>>> curse and makes Bharata say, "this has scope for a lot of thinking " (
>>>>> something like "good point!")
>>>>>
>>>>> In popular exegesis in India, quite often taking the form of folk
>>>>> songs, many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure
>>>>> chance and power of fate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good topic if not yet covered.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <
>>>>> nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure chance
>>>>>> - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the Indian
>>>>>> Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations, etc.)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are entirely two different things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure chance
>>>>>> in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #2 & #3 could be considered as connected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human effort
>>>>>>> ? purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine intervention
>>>>>>> or will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that ?Prakrti
>>>>>>> begets?by my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita 13.21, and
>>>>>>> elsewhere, we find a two part concept of causality that matches the twin
>>>>>>> ontology of body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical implications
>>>>>>> of karma.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are well known approaches to causality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has
>>>>>>> considered pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt,
>>>>>>> to be a legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Howard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> one more question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally, by
>>>>>>> pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of
>>>>>>> the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social
>>>>>>> relations, etc.)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Artur Karp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Poland
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>>>> committee)
>>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list
>>>>>>> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
>>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>>>> committee)
>>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>>
>>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>>
>>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>>
>>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>
> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>
>
>
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From julia.shaw at ucl.ac.uk  Tue May 17 13:14:58 2016
From: julia.shaw at ucl.ac.uk (Shaw, Julia)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 13:14:58 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Destruction of Buddhist monasteries and other	establishments
Message-ID: <AM3PR01MB1220050FED30AFA3E0A5801EC4480@AM3PR01MB1220.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

For patterns in the archaeological landscape across space and time at Sanchi and surrounding area, you might want to have a look at detailed discussion with accompanying data and maps (including later history of Buddhism and relationship with broader cultic geographies) in:

Shaw, J. (2007). Buddhist Landscapes in Central India: Sanchi hill and archaeologies of religious and social change, c. 3rd century BC to 5th century AD..<https://iris.ucl.ac.uk/iris/publication/58687/1> London: British Association for South Asian Studies (British Academy); Leftcoast Press.



I can send you some PDF material if you want to email me directly.
Best wishes, Julia
-------------------------------

Dr Julia Shaw

Lecturer in South Asian Archaeology

Institute of Archaeology UCL

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Dear List,
Can any one refer me to a comprehensive discussion of the archaeological
evidence of the destruction/appropriation of Buddhist monasteries and other
religious establishments in pre-Islamic period?...Any thing beyond the
writings of Richard Davis and Richard Eaton!

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From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Tue May 17 13:27:48 2016
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 15:27:48 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_earliest_date_of_p=C4=AB=E1=B9=ADh=C4=81's?=
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Dear professor Karp,

Kamakhya - the place where is preserved the *yoni *of the goddess Sati -
could be the earliest "seat of the goddess" (adi-pitha). It shows
archaeological evidences of the fourth-fifth century, even if the actual
temple is a new structure, rebuilt in the middle of sixteenth century and
reworked during the Ahom invasion of Assam.
However, because of the earthquake and flood in Assam it is difficult to
confirm this date with massive archaeological proofs.
Another thing to bring in mind is that we are not sure about when the place
became an Hindu religious sanctuary and if there was another non-Hindu
temple on the hill.

Best,
Paolo

On 17 May 2016 at 12:57, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:

> May I repeat my enquiry
>
> - about the earliest, archaeologically confirmed date for the Sati-devi
> shrines known as p??ha?
>
> Artur Karp
>
> 2016-05-15 19:30 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Let me first express my gratitude to those of you who have shared their
>> knowledge with me. I was unwell and unable to thank you at the proper
>> moment.
>>
>> And - now. What is the earliest, archaeologically confirmed, date for the
>> Sati-devi cult practices performed in the sanctuaries - known as p??h?'s?
>>
>> With regards,
>>
>> Artur Karp (ret.)
>> South Asian Studies Deptt
>> University of Warsaw
>> Poland
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
> committee)
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> unsubscribe)
>



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Section: South Asia
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'Sapienza' University of Rome
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From blwill at fas.harvard.edu  Tue May 17 14:15:18 2016
From: blwill at fas.harvard.edu (Williams, Ben)
Date: Tue, 17 May 16 14:15:18 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Post-doc fellowship offered
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cd6q9+E3b9N4LRPiSwXHqdLM3V9veJGnGeEwTj2pOymTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM2PR07MB3365AA984EF18CBFEF0DF1A90480@DM2PR07MB336.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Professor Wujastyk


Okay, thanks. No rush.


Best,

Ben

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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 8:40:47 AM
To: Indology
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Post-doc fellowship offered

I got your email, but I can't answer at present.  Will respond asap.
Dominik

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk*<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ualberta.Academia.edu_DominikWujastyk&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=OexeZ8MxdDtG-vmgQnF4naSuL2ZZHevv0vCfInS-Xi8&m=I6KP9ho7re1QqJuO1cOWsQ7-VHQbwZSXBPW_c_0GdcM&s=9yyCDpW9eaytjEyOrOLeIaPbstDRVtxpgWKHCodQavU&e=>
Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
Department of History and Classics<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__historyandclassics.ualberta.ca_&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=OexeZ8MxdDtG-vmgQnF4naSuL2ZZHevv0vCfInS-Xi8&m=I6KP9ho7re1QqJuO1cOWsQ7-VHQbwZSXBPW_c_0GdcM&s=X9_uc8URzNm9mi8DZyjJ3ecCYVopLQq4FGk4cT8BiXA&e=>
University of Alberta, Canada

On 6 May 2016 at 23:05, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com<mailto:wujastyk at gmail.com>> wrote:
The Banting Postdoctoral Fellowship<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__banting.fellowships-2Dbourses.gc.ca_en_home-2Daccueil.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=OexeZ8MxdDtG-vmgQnF4naSuL2ZZHevv0vCfInS-Xi8&m=I6KP9ho7re1QqJuO1cOWsQ7-VHQbwZSXBPW_c_0GdcM&s=AS0aXfCX8F6Jk7k-l4rC2HMHQ7OLvVhl8b_J7DWg7f0&e=> is a prestigious two-year
?research grant ?
program offered at Canadian universities
?,?
aimed at the highest-calibre
?recent PhDs
from Canada and abroad
?.?

The University of Alberta has just advertised it's Banting Postdoctoral Fellowship application procedure for September 2017 submissions.  The application procedure is somewhat complex, with applications first being prepared through the University of Alberta, and only then being submitted onwards to the relevant Canadian Research Council.

The University of Alberta's procedures are described here:

  *   http://www.postdoc.ualberta.ca/FundingandFellowships/Banting.aspx<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.postdoc.ualberta.ca_FundingandFellowships_Banting.aspx&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=OexeZ8MxdDtG-vmgQnF4naSuL2ZZHevv0vCfInS-Xi8&m=I6KP9ho7re1QqJuO1cOWsQ7-VHQbwZSXBPW_c_0GdcM&s=YuurKKKY03QmHerLsdiK7BZN3XkImZV6bAacHwYEGNM&e=>

There are numerous eligibility criteria, including the requirement
?that a
pplicants to the 2017 program must fulfill or have fulfilled all degree requirements for a PhD between September 21, 2013 and September 30, 2017.

If you think you would like to apply for a Banting Fellowship to work on an indological topic at the University of Alberta, please contact me personally in the first instance.  Competition is tough, and the application is a two-stage process with the preliminary application package due on June 10, 2016. Those preliminary packages will be reviewed by adjudication committees; selected nominees will be instructed on submission of the full application package by August 31, 2016.

Sincerely,
Dominik Wujastyk

--
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Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
Department of History and Classics<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__historyandclassics.ualberta.ca_&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=OexeZ8MxdDtG-vmgQnF4naSuL2ZZHevv0vCfInS-Xi8&m=I6KP9ho7re1QqJuO1cOWsQ7-VHQbwZSXBPW_c_0GdcM&s=X9_uc8URzNm9mi8DZyjJ3ecCYVopLQq4FGk4cT8BiXA&e=>
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Wed May 18 11:11:23 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Wed, 18 May 16 13:11:23 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tibetan names of four gompas
Message-ID: <CALNcvFuV+MYEir66b0QWmJr=79hBc7dNSwPEz=K6SRqyQ_MDQw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Colleagues,

I participate in the preparation of the list of Polish exonyms for South
Asian names of important buildings and other anthropogenic objects for
publication.

Could you, please, give me the Wylie transliteration for the names of four
Tibetan Buddhist monasteries located in India?

Hemis Gompa

Pemayangtse Gompa

Shey Gompa

Tashigang Gompa


Thanks - in advance,

Artur Karp (ret.)
South Asian Studies Deptt
University of Warsaw
Poland


PS. Provisional, pre-publication list is available at:

Nazwy Budowli - Azja Po?udniowa


https://www.academia.edu/23167699/Nazwy_budowli_-_Azja_Po%C5%82udniowa

Artur


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From mkapstei at uchicago.edu  Wed May 18 11:15:13 2016
From: mkapstei at uchicago.edu (Matthew Kapstein)
Date: Wed, 18 May 16 11:15:13 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tibetan names of four gompas
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFuV+MYEir66b0QWmJr=79hBc7dNSwPEz=K6SRqyQ_MDQw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Artur

He mis dgon (pa) (from the old Dardic word for "snow," Skt. hima)
Padma yang rtse (dgon pa)
Shel dgon pa
Bkra shis sgang (dgon pa)

words in parenthesis are frequently omitted

best,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'?tudes,
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Wed May 18 11:31:13 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Wed, 18 May 16 13:31:13 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Tibetan names of four gompas
In-Reply-To: <82C3E42590D939418C74DD76B97DDED047B8CC4C@xm-mbx-06-prod>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFsd=AWu4gAtJLSUX+uNE=F7NPb=DLGYCtOsg9wMoqsUTw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Matthew,

I'm  more than moved by your fast answer to my request.

My great thanks,

and regards,

Artur Karp

2016-05-18 13:15 GMT+02:00 Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>:

> Hi Artur
>
> He mis dgon (pa) (from the old Dardic word for "snow," Skt. hima)
> Padma yang rtse (dgon pa)
> Shel dgon pa
> Bkra shis sgang (dgon pa)
>
> words in parenthesis are frequently omitted
>
> best,
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'?tudes,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
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From julia.shaw at ucl.ac.uk  Wed May 18 12:50:47 2016
From: julia.shaw at ucl.ac.uk (Shaw, Julia)
Date: Wed, 18 May 16 12:50:47 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Destruction of Buddhist monasteries
Message-ID: <AM3PR01MB1220B6C634DB03F9DBB26714C4490@AM3PR01MB1220.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Also useful for the later history of Buddhism
in central and eastern India respectively:

Willis, M.D.
2013 . Avalokitesvara of the six syllables: Locating the practice
of the 'Great vehicle' in the landscape of central India , in Evo
Suyadi: Essays in Honor of Richard Salomon's 65th Birthday ,
eds. C. A. Bromberg , T. J. Lenz , and J. Neelis . Bulletin of the
Asia Institute 23, 221-30.


Amar , A. S. , 2012 . Buddhist responses to Bra  hma n a challenges
in medieval India: Bodhgaya and Gaya . Journal of the Royal
Asiatic Society 22 , 155-85.

Best wishes,
Julia


--------------------------------



Dr Julia Shaw



Lecturer in South Asian Archaeology



Institute of Archaeology UCL



31-34 Gordon Square



London WC1H 0PY







http://www.ucl.ac.uk/archaeology/people/staff/shaw






For patterns in the archaeological landscape across space and time at Sanchi and surrounding area, you might want to have a look at detailed discussion with accompanying data and maps (including later history of Buddhism and relationship with broader cultic geographies) in:

Shaw, J. (2007). Buddhist Landscapes in Central India: Sanchi hill and archaeologies of religious and social change, c. 3rd century BC to 5th century AD..<https://iris.ucl.ac.uk/iris/publication/58687/1> London: British Association for South Asian Studies (British Academy); Leftcoast Press.



I can send you some PDF material if you want to email me directly.
Best wishes, Julia
-------------------------------

Dr Julia Shaw

Lecturer in South Asian Archaeology

Institute of Archaeology UCL

31-34 Gordon Square

London WC1H 0PY



http://www.ucl.ac.uk/archaeology/people/staff/shaw


----------------------------------------------
Dear List,
Can any one refer me to a comprehensive discussion of the archaeological
evidence of the destruction/appropriation of Buddhist monasteries and other
religious establishments in pre-Islamic period?...Any thing beyond the
writings of Richard Davis and Richard Eaton!

-
D N Jha
Professor of History (retired),
University of Delhi
9, Uttaranchal Apartments
5, I.P. Extension, Delhi 110 092
Tel: + 2277 1049
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From pf8 at soas.ac.uk  Thu May 19 16:28:11 2016
From: pf8 at soas.ac.uk (Peter Flugel)
Date: Thu, 19 May 16 17:28:11 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Call for Papers: Jainism and Buddhism
Message-ID: <CAF+JJr=+VGhmUTSiTzGjK3t8oAwBs=V96fm5hiRRRkY0BkOghg@mail.gmail.com>

On 17-18 March 2017 the 19th Jaina Studies Workshop will be held at SOAS on
the topic *Jainism and Buddhism*. Abstracts are invited.

-- 
Dr Peter Fl?gel
Chair, Centre of Jaina Studies
Department of Religions and Philosophies
Faculty of Arts and Humanities
School of Oriental and African Studies
University of London
Thornhaugh Street
Russell Square
London WC1H OXG

Tel.: (+44-20) 7898 4776
E-mail: pf8 at soas.ac.uk
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From beitel at gwu.edu  Thu May 19 19:26:00 2016
From: beitel at gwu.edu (Alfred Hiltebeitel)
Date: Thu, 19 May 16 15:26:00 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book
Message-ID: <CADRWd6FTrQrZb_aF6Ae2cu8ed4m66XmDCws-UEt8Vuxisy8k2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Colleagues, let me to take the opportunity to announce my new book,
*Nonviolence
n the Mahabharata: Shiva's Summa on Rishidhara and the Gleaners oof
Kurukshetra*. Routledge 2016. 175 pp. Short yet costly at about $140 in
hardback only, for a year and a a half).. Please pardon the omission of
diacritics.

-- 
Alf Hiltebeitel
Professor of Religion, History and Human Sciences
Department of Religion
George Washington University
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From kmcgrath at fas.harvard.edu  Thu May 19 19:28:33 2016
From: kmcgrath at fas.harvard.edu (McGrath, Kevin)
Date: Thu, 19 May 16 19:28:33 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book
In-Reply-To: <CADRWd6FTrQrZb_aF6Ae2cu8ed4m66XmDCws-UEt8Vuxisy8k2Q@mail.gmail.com>
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   Congratulation!

________________________________
From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Alfred Hiltebeitel <beitel at gwu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 3:26:00 PM
To: INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
Subject: [INDOLOGY] New book

Colleagues, let me to take the opportunity to announce my new book, Nonviolence n the Mahabharata: Shiva's Summa on Rishidhara and the Gleaners oof Kurukshetra. Routledge 2016. 175 pp. Short yet costly at about $140 in hardback only, for a year and a a half).. Please pardon the omission of diacritics.

--
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Professor of Religion, History and Human Sciences
Department of Religion
George Washington University
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From dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com  Sat May 21 04:38:33 2016
From: dr.rupalimokashi at gmail.com (Dr. Rupali Mokashi)
Date: Sat, 21 May 16 10:08:33 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Onkar Prasad Verma. Yadavas and their Times
Message-ID: <CAK2tbYyD+8DmMBpAYFB1oUAFyLwMrRjweNSD7dNh2zxqotgRJg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members
I am searching for a pdf of the  book Yadavas and their Times by onkar
prasad verma.
Can you pease share the pdf?
regards
Rupali Mokashi


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From hellwig7 at gmx.de  Sat May 21 08:59:51 2016
From: hellwig7 at gmx.de (hellwig7 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 21 May 16 10:59:51 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Analyzed version of the Vedic samhitas
Message-ID: <B2A0290081DF43208A6A953013D3FC30@OliverHP>

Dear list members,

I am looking for a lemmatized and morphologically analyzed edition of the 
Rig- and/or Sama-/Yajur-/Atharvaveda in digital form. Is anybody aware of 
such a resource?

Alternatively, do you know a (PhD) student who would be willing to feed 
these texts into the SanskritTagger and analyze them in this tool? A sound 
acquaintance with Vedic language and some knowledge of grammatical 
terminology would be a prerequisite, as several verbal forms and lemmata 
need to be added to the database. Funding is available for this task.

Any feedback is highly appreciated. If you know any student, you can send me 
contact data off-list.

Best, Oliver

---
Oliver Hellwig, University of D?sseldorf 






From paoloe.rosati at gmail.com  Sat May 21 18:46:05 2016
From: paoloe.rosati at gmail.com (Paolo Eugenio Rosati)
Date: Sat, 21 May 16 20:46:05 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_B=E1=B9=9Bhad=C4=81ra=E1=B9=87yaka_Upani=E1=B9=A3ad:_6.4.13.20-22?=
Message-ID: <CAMOCTf8-qC4jGNDD4Nh05E60yB3fY85bjT+geG=_toGBXjOcyg@mail.gmail.com>

*Dear Indologists,*
anyone may sand me the translation of the

*B?had?ra?yaka Upani?ad: *6.4.13.20-22

I know it was translated here:

S?nart, E. (ed. and trans.). 1934. *B?had?ra?yaka Upani?ad*. Paris: Les
Belles Lettres

However other editions will be welcome, and if someone has the Sanskrit
transliteration I would be very gratful


*With the best regards,*
*Paolo*

-- 
Paolo E. Rosati
Oriental Archaeologist
PhD candidate in "Civilizations of Asia and Africa"
South Asia Section
Dep. Italian Institute of Oriental Studies/ISO
'Sapienza' University of Rome
*https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/
<https://uniroma1.academia.edu/PaoloRosati/>*
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From karp at uw.edu.pl  Sat May 21 19:05:30 2016
From: karp at uw.edu.pl (Artur Karp)
Date: Sat, 21 May 16 21:05:30 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] by chance, accidentally
In-Reply-To: <CALNcvFsiZap5qNo3YiApSJaukM7w=Vc4NdX2fW5MjjCGK2b5mA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALNcvFtG=mOp+b0rm6KL3rT9wiQMCzH=xgRaMtD5BmxNmTv_wg@mail.gmail.com>

Fresh on academia.edu:

Olivier Hexter: *The Size of History: Coincidence, Counterfactuality and
Questions of Scale in History*


https://www.academia.edu/25419902/The_Size_of_History_Coincidence_Counterfactuality_and_Questions_of_Scale_in_History


in: The Challenge of Chance 2016: A Multidisciplinary Approach from Science
and the Humanities (The Frontiers Collection) [Hardcover, Springer]

[*This title has not yet been released*.]

Best,

Artur Karp


2016-05-17 14:56 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:

> > Are you calling this 'explaining' as 'legitimating'?
>
> The mythical story in question serves as an instrument of legitimation and
> prestige. As I would see it - the element of "pure chance" contained in the
> story makes it possible to treat new cultic practices as *safe*.
>
> No element of planned revolt there, but deep changes in the traditional
> pattern of religious life: broader base of social participation,
> empowerment of women, new class of priests.
>
> Best,
>
> Artur
>
> 2016-05-17 10:58 GMT+02:00 Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>:
>
>> > When Sati's body is dismembered - do parts of it fall down on the earth
>> according to some plan? Or - is their dispersal purely accidental?
>> Legitimating in this way the haphazard geography of old (tribal) shrines
>> devoted to female divinities?
>>
>>
>> ------- It is common knowledge in myth studies that myths, not only
>> Indian, 'explain' the facts or their intriguing aspects. Are you calling
>> this 'explaining' as 'legitimating'?
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chance is not the same as fate, I agree. When individuals are affected
>>> by  events occurring by chance, it is attributed to their fate. In the
>>> key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata which are attributed to pure chance
>>> and power of fate, the folk songs articulating popular exegesis lament that
>>> the  individuals are affected by  events occurring by
>>> chance, and attribute it to the fate of the individuals.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nagaraj Paturi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> ... many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to
>>>> pure chance and power of fate.
>>>>
>>>> I think one needs to differentiate between 'chance' and 'fate'.
>>>>
>>>> Artur
>>>>
>>>> 2016-05-17 10:12 GMT+02:00 Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl>:
>>>>
>>>>> When Sati's body is dismembered - do parts of it fall down on the
>>>>> earth according to some plan? Or - is their dispersal purely accidental?
>>>>> Legitimating in this way the haphazard geography of old (tribal) shrines
>>>>> devoted to female divinities?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does Garuda lose the four drops of amrita in a planned way? Or - are
>>>>> they lost by pure chance? Do they land - purely accidentally - in places
>>>>> possessing - by pure chance - terrain features suitable for establishing
>>>>> large pilgrimage centers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Artur
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. I try to recall the mythical (puranic?) narrative, no success. A
>>>>> king, meets someone, purely accidentally, has sex with that person, and
>>>>> that results in his becoming pregnant. And, after nine months, a child is
>>>>> born, out of its father/mother's left side. Now - what happened to the
>>>>> child?
>>>>>
>>>>> A,
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-05-17 9:25 GMT+02:00 Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. the aspect of pure chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>>>>> Mrichchhakatika is where the author clearly mentions bhavitavyataa as
>>>>>> one of the themes of the play. The entire play has a series of dramatic
>>>>>> turns of events each of which occur just by pure chance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Element of fate in Shakespeare's plays is a widely discussed theme. I
>>>>>> guess that this could have inspired some to take up a similar theme with
>>>>>> regard to Sanskrit plays.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many s'aapa events in Sanskrit narratives involve 'pure chance', and
>>>>>> the s'aapa turns out to be the cause for later events. Dasaratha getting
>>>>>> cursed by Sravanakumara's parents is just by pure chance. But it is this
>>>>>> curse which causes Rama's vanavaasa and all the later events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Pratimaa naaTakam , Bhasa makes Kaikeyi plead innocence in front
>>>>>> of Bharata who was angry with him, blaming her demands on the power of the
>>>>>> curse and makes Bharata say, "this has scope for a lot of thinking " (
>>>>>> something like "good point!")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In popular exegesis in India, quite often taking the form of folk
>>>>>> songs, many key events in Ramayana and Mahabharata are attributed to pure
>>>>>> chance and power of fate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good topic if not yet covered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <
>>>>>> nagarajpaturi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1.  something, some event, that happened accidentally, by pure
>>>>>>> chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development of the
>>>>>>> Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social relations,
>>>>>>> etc.)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are entirely two different things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #1 seems to be a question on Indian history, #2 on Indian thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prof. Resnick brought yet another issue: 3. the aspect of pure
>>>>>>> chance in ancient Sanskrit narratives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #2 & #3 could be considered as connected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #1 need not be connected to #2  & #3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Howard Resnick <hr at ivs.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting question. In the Maha-bharata, for example, human
>>>>>>>> effort ? purusha-kAra ? is contrasted with daiva ? providence/divine
>>>>>>>> intervention or will. In Bhagavad-gita 9.10, we find the statement that
>>>>>>>> ?Prakrti begets?by my supervision/oversight (adhy-aksha)." In the Gita
>>>>>>>> 13.21, and elsewhere, we find a two part concept of causality that matches
>>>>>>>> the twin ontology of body and soul. Not to speak of the philosophical
>>>>>>>> implications of karma.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are well known approaches to causality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am also curious to know to what extent Indian tradition has
>>>>>>>> considered pure chance, sometimes called yadRcchA, or adverbially akasmAt,
>>>>>>>> to be a legitimate cause of events or conditions in this world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Howard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> one more question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you know of something, some event, that happened accidentally,
>>>>>>>> by pure chance - but, finally, had the power to  influence the development
>>>>>>>> of the Indian Civilization (in the spheres of thought, religion, social
>>>>>>>> relations, etc.)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Status of "(pure, sheer) chance" in Indian thought?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Artur Karp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Poland
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> indology-owner at list.indology.info (messages to the list's managing
>>>>>>>> committee)
>>>>>>>> http://listinfo.indology.info (where you can change your list
>>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> committee)
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>>>>>>>> options or unsubscribe)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>>
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>>
>>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies
>>
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>
>> (Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )
>>
>>
>>
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From rembert at ochs.org.uk  Mon May 23 15:45:17 2016
From: rembert at ochs.org.uk (Rembert Lutjeharms)
Date: Mon, 23 May 16 16:45:17 +0100
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Middle Bengali Retreat - Application Deadline Extended
Message-ID: <CAPM+OO4PeuidiaUij78wg5vUBjLmdvpya4gP7SkrN4DV7ynKVg@mail.gmail.com>

The organisers of the upcoming Middle Bengali Retreat asked me to
forward this announcement to this list. Best wishes, Rembert.
--

Dear All,

This is just to announce that the deadline for applications for the
Middle Bengali Retreat that is due to take place this August (11-21)
has been extended to 05 June 2016.

For more information about the retreat, please go to:
http://ghtk.csik.sapientia.ro/en/news/middle-bengali-retreat-cum-workshop-in-transylvania-2016

Best wishes,
Lucian

DPhil Candidate in Theology and Religion
University of Oxford



-- 
Dr. Rembert Lutjeharms
Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies
13-15 Magdalen Street
Oxford OX1 3AE United Kingdom
Tel.: +44 (0)1865 304300





From drdj at austin.utexas.edu  Mon May 23 20:00:23 2016
From: drdj at austin.utexas.edu (Donald R Davis)
Date: Mon, 23 May 16 20:00:23 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Eras and Dates
Message-ID: <D368CB83.10956%drdj@austin.utexas.edu>

Dear Colleagues,

In the Mit?k?ar? commentary on Y?j?avalkysm?ti 1.319, royal edicts should include a date given in two ways:

[lekhyam?] yukta? k?lena ca dvividhena ?akan?p?t?tar?pe?a sa?vatsarar?pe?a ca k?lena

The first scheme is clear era to me, namely the ?aka era (78 CE), but the date "according to Sa?vatsara" is not. A little digging suggested that it might refer to the Vikrama era or, more likely it seemed, to one of the cyclical years of the 60-year B?rhaspatya sa?vatsara of Jupiter (per Sewell and Dikshit?s Indian Calendar).

I figured someone could quickly set me straight.

Thanks in advance,

Don Davis
Dept of Asian Studies
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From manufrancis at gmail.com  Mon May 23 20:14:52 2016
From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis)
Date: Mon, 23 May 16 22:14:52 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Eras and Dates
In-Reply-To: <D368CB83.10956%drdj@austin.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <CANVHsm6rLYKYz_hrSV8QJV5T-EApcfo-FHxbLURsA8pRtQohAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Donald,

The second scheme refers to the regnal year of the king (whether he issued
the inscription or it was issued in his realm).
I was precisely looking at a 5th-century Pallava copper-plate inscription
when I read your email:
si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya [sic] vijayasa?vatsare ek?da?e pau?yam?se
k???apak?e da?amy?m may? datt? t??pra [sic] pa??ik?.
With best wishes

--

Emmanuel Francis
Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR
8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris)
http://ceias.ehess.fr/
http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725
http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/
Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950,
Universit?t Hamburg)
http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html
https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis

2016-05-23 22:00 GMT+02:00 Donald R Davis <drdj at austin.utexas.edu>:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> In the Mit?k?ar? commentary on Y?j?avalkysm?ti 1.319, royal edicts should
include a date given in two ways:
>
> [lekhyam?] yukta? k?lena ca dvividhena ?akan?p?t?tar?pe?a
sa?vatsarar?pe?a ca k?lena
>
> The first scheme is clear era to me, namely the ?aka era (78 CE), but the
date "according to Sa?vatsara" is not. A little digging suggested that it
might refer to the Vikrama era or, more likely it seemed, to one of the
cyclical years of the 60-year B?rhaspatya sa?vatsara of Jupiter (per Sewell
and Dikshit?s Indian Calendar).
>
> I figured someone could quickly set me straight.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Don Davis
> Dept of Asian Studies
> University of Texas at Austin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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From rsalomon at u.washington.edu  Tue May 24 01:14:40 2016
From: rsalomon at u.washington.edu (Richard Salomon)
Date: Mon, 23 May 16 18:14:40 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahavastu translation by Leumann et al.
Message-ID: <642d4561-6fe6-9a54-ee79-0fd43e71d603@u.washington.edu>


Dear list members,

Does anyone have, or know of, a pdf or other copy of the partial 
translation of the Mahavastu in 3 (?) volumes by Leumann and S. 
Siraishi? (see a catalogue listing below; full bibliographic information 
in A. Yuyama, The Mahavastu in Old Palm-Leaf and Paper Manuscripts, pp. 
xxxiii-xxxiv).

Thanks in advance,

Rich Salomon


*
Gesamttitel:
* 	
*The Mah?vastu* 
<http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/CMD?MATC=&ACT=SRCHA&REMEMBERFORMVALUES=N&IKT=4070&NOABS=Y&TRM=Maha%CC%84vastu%23%23%23%23%23%23> 
/ Ernst Leumann; Sindo Siraisi [?bers.]
*
Beteiligt:
* 	
Siraisi, Sindo 
<http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/REL?PPN=327077077&NOABS=Y&MATC=>[?bers.] 
; Leumann, Ernst 
<http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/REL?PPN=16370709X&NOABS=Y&MATC=>, 
1859-1931 [?bers.] info 
<http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPN?PPN=16370709X&REC=2> info 
<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Search?search=Ernst_Leumann>
*
Ausgabe:
* 	
Repr.
*
Erschienen:
* 	
K?fu : Yamanashi Univ., 19XX-
*
Sprache(n):
* 	
Japanisch ; Deutsch
*
Schriftenreihe:
* 	
Proceedings of the Faculty of Liberal Arts and Education 
<http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/CMD?MATC=&ACT=SRCHA&IKT=2260&NOABS=Y&TRM=Proceedings+of+the+Faculty+of+Liberal+Arts+and+Education>
*
Anmerkung:
* 	
Text auf Japanisch und Deutsch
*
Sonstige Nummern:
* 	
OCLC: 80269022 see [Suche nach Eintrag in Worldcat] 
<http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/80269022>

	

	

	

	

	

		

	
	

	




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William P. and Ruth Gerberding University Professor
Department of Asian Languages and Literature
University of Washington, Box 353521
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From nmisra at gmail.com  Tue May 24 01:16:42 2016
From: nmisra at gmail.com (Nityanand Misra)
Date: Tue, 24 May 16 06:46:42 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Eras and Dates
In-Reply-To: <CANVHsm6rLYKYz_hrSV8QJV5T-EApcfo-FHxbLURsA8pRtQohAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAATk=rA19Z5++Ko=WZXezktuzoVT6=GmMFYTFBJGUbWxgDLJVA@mail.gmail.com>

On 24 May 2016 at 01:44, Manu Francis <manufrancis at gmail.com> wrote:

> si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya [sic] vijayasa?vatsare ek?da?e pau?yam?se
> k???apak?e da?amy?m may? datt? t??pra [sic] pa??ik?.
>


What is wrong with *si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya*?


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From ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com  Tue May 24 01:35:16 2016
From: ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com (Ashok Aklujkar)
Date: Mon, 23 May 16 18:35:16 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Eras and Dates
In-Reply-To: <CAATk=rA19Z5++Ko=WZXezktuzoVT6=GmMFYTFBJGUbWxgDLJVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BA2CB79-BE5E-453B-A281-3C438B560818@mail.ubc.ca>

Probably ?m?? in the place of ?ma? in the second half of the first word.

a.a.


> On May 23, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Nityanand Misra <nmisra at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 24 May 2016 at 01:44, Manu Francis <manufrancis at gmail.com <mailto:manufrancis at gmail.com>> wrote:
> si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya [sic] vijayasa?vatsare ek?da?e pau?yam?se k???apak?e da?amy?m may? datt? t??pra [sic] pa??ik?.
> 
> What is wrong with si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya?


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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Tue May 24 06:38:28 2016
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 24 May 16 08:38:28 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Eras and Dates
In-Reply-To: <1BA2CB79-BE5E-453B-A281-3C438B560818@mail.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4LwaCf7VzAs-vprkcqcY_Stvkw4onkVaHRFZekPOVBS2w@mail.gmail.com>

not the treatment of r?ja as an -a stem?

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Ashok Aklujkar <ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Probably ?m?? in the place of ?ma? in the second half of the first word.
>
> a.a.
>
>
> On May 23, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Nityanand Misra <nmisra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 24 May 2016 at 01:44, Manu Francis <manufrancis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya [sic] vijayasa?vatsare ek?da?e pau?yam?se
>> k???apak?e da?amy?m may? datt? t??pra [sic] pa??ik?.
>>
>
> What is wrong with *si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya*?
>
>
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Leiden University
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Tue May 24 06:40:31 2016
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Tue, 24 May 16 08:40:31 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahavastu translation by Leumann et al.
In-Reply-To: <642d4561-6fe6-9a54-ee79-0fd43e71d603@u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4L76zJnwyNBiZ3nV-rpoa56suh8vkLgMH0m2GdpT8WkSw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Rich,
UW owns the book in which this is reprinted:

??????????.
Shiraishi Shindo? Bukkyo?gaku ronbunshu?.????, 1897-1987. ; Shindo?
Shiraishi, 1897-1987.1988 Kanagawa-ken Sagamihara-shi : Shiraishi Sumiko,
Kyo?bi Shuppansha; ???????? : ????,

Available at East Asia Library - General Stacks (Call Number: BQ126.S562
S55 1988)


best, jonathan

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Richard Salomon <rsalomon at u.washington.edu>
wrote:

>
> Dear list members,
>
> Does anyone have, or know of, a pdf or other copy of the partial
> translation of the Mahavastu in 3 (?) volumes by Leumann and S. Siraishi?
> (see a catalogue listing below; full bibliographic information in A.
> Yuyama, The Mahavastu in Old Palm-Leaf and Paper Manuscripts, pp.
> xxxiii-xxxiv).
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rich Salomon
>
>
> * Gesamttitel:  *
> The Mah?vastu
> <http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/CMD?MATC=&ACT=SRCHA&REMEMBERFORMVALUES=N&IKT=4070&NOABS=Y&TRM=Maha%CC%84vastu%23%23%23%23%23%23>
> / Ernst Leumann; Sindo Siraisi [?bers.]
> * Beteiligt:  *
> [?bers.] ;
> <http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/REL?PPN=327077077&NOABS=Y&MATC=>,
> 1859-1931 [?bers.]
> <http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/REL?PPN=16370709X&NOABS=Y&MATC=> [image:
> info] <http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPN?PPN=16370709X&REC=2> [image: info]
> <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Search?search=Ernst_Leumann>
> * Ausgabe:  *
> Repr.
> * Erschienen:  *
> K?fu : Yamanashi Univ., 19XX-
> * Sprache(n):  *
> Japanisch ; Deutsch
> * Schriftenreihe:  *
>
> <http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/CMD?MATC=&ACT=SRCHA&IKT=2260&NOABS=Y&TRM=Proceedings+of+the+Faculty+of+Liberal+Arts+and+Education>
> * Anmerkung:  *
> Text auf Japanisch und Deutsch
> * Sonstige Nummern:  *
> OCLC: 80269022     [image: see] <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/80269022>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> ----------------------
>
> Richard Salomon
> William P. and Ruth Gerberding University Professor
> Department of Asian Languages and Literature
> University of Washington, Box 353521
> Seattle WA 98195-3521
> USA
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> INDOLOGY mailing list
> INDOLOGY at list.indology.info
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> committee)
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> unsubscribe)
>



-- 
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Leiden University
Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
2311 BZ Leiden
The Netherlands

copies of my publications may be found at
http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html


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From manufrancis at gmail.com  Tue May 24 07:16:38 2016
From: manufrancis at gmail.com (Manu Francis)
Date: Tue, 24 May 16 09:16:38 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Eras and Dates
In-Reply-To: <CAMGmO4LwaCf7VzAs-vprkcqcY_Stvkw4onkVaHRFZekPOVBS2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANVHsm7nsjrL3so3pQaZaRvcipqNE2XPAAfYRPx5S6+R3VTUgA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I would expect
*m?har?jasya.*
*mah?r?ja- *(-a stem) is regular.
*mah?r?jan- *(-an stem) would be a *bahuvr?hi*. See Renou, Grammaire
sanskrite, p. 341.
In my transliteration correct *t??pra [sic] pa??ik?* to *t??pra-pa??ik?*
(i.e. *t?mra-pa??ik?*, a compound).



Emmanuel Francis
Charg? de recherche CNRS, Centre d'?tude de l'Inde et de l'Asie du Sud (UMR
8564, EHESS-CNRS, Paris)
http://ceias.ehess.fr/
http://ceias.ehess.fr/index.php?1725
http://rcsi.hypotheses.org/
Associate member, Centre for the Study of Manuscript Culture (SFB 950,
Universit?t Hamburg)
http://www.manuscript-cultures.uni-hamburg.de/index_e.html
https://cnrs.academia.edu/emmanuelfrancis

2016-05-24 8:38 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>:

> not the treatment of r?ja as an -a stem?
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Ashok Aklujkar <ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Probably ?m?? in the place of ?ma? in the second half of the first word.
>>
>> a.a.
>>
>>
>> On May 23, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Nityanand Misra <nmisra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 24 May 2016 at 01:44, Manu Francis <manufrancis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya [sic] vijayasa?vatsare ek?da?e pau?yam?se
>>> k???apak?e da?amy?m may? datt? t??pra [sic] pa??ik?.
>>>
>>
>> What is wrong with *si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya*?
>>
>>
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From nmisra at gmail.com  Tue May 24 07:51:19 2016
From: nmisra at gmail.com (Nityanand Misra)
Date: Tue, 24 May 16 13:21:19 +0530
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Eras and Dates
In-Reply-To: <1BA2CB79-BE5E-453B-A281-3C438B560818@mail.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <CAATk=rCVHA+oafnPM=dUzfOuVLWsHOs8D_a9iczdiZWjh80onQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, I did not realize the text had m?ha- in place of mah?-.

?mah?r?ja? is an ?a stem due to ?r?j??hassakhibhya??ac? (5.4.91), which
carries over ?tatpuru?a? from ?tatpuru?asy??gule? sa?khy?'vyay?de??
(5.4.86). The rule ?nastaddhite? (6.4.144) accounts for elision of ?n? in
mah?r?jan + [?]a[c].
On May 24, 2016 6:57 AM, "Ashok Aklujkar" <ashok.aklujkar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably ?m?? in the place of ?ma? in the second half of the first word.
>
> a.a.
>
>
> On May 23, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Nityanand Misra <nmisra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 24 May 2016 at 01:44, Manu Francis <manufrancis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya [sic] vijayasa?vatsare ek?da?e pau?yam?se
>> k???apak?e da?amy?m may? datt? t??pra [sic] pa??ik?.
>>
>
> What is wrong with *si?havarmma-m?h?r?jasya*?
>
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From hr at ivs.edu  Tue May 24 14:05:36 2016
From: hr at ivs.edu (Howard Resnick)
Date: Tue, 24 May 16 07:05:36 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] "The times they are a-changin." Bob Dylan
In-Reply-To: <5740BB7D.9080201@cs.com>
Message-ID: <0BD9DB4F-418D-42F9-A1F8-D1AB34A25B70@ivs.edu>

While not directly in the field of Indology, this postdoctoral initiative at Cambridge, in "a nonreductionist, nonphysicalist" approach to philosophy of mind has obvious and significant points of contact with various strains of Indic philosophy of mind. 

Best,
Howard


> Research Fellow
> 
> Faculty of Philosophy
> Vacancy Reference No: GV09170
> Salary: ?28,982 - ?37,768 pa
> 
> New Directions in the Philosophy of Mind: A Research Initiative developed
> by the John Templeton Foundation and the University of Cambridge's Faculty
> of Philosophy
> 
> The University of Cambridge intends to appoint a postdoctoral fellow as
> part of the project, 'New directions in the philosophy of mind', funded by
> the John Templeton Foundation. The fellowship will last for one year, and
> the appointment will start on 1st September 2016. The post is based in
> central Cambridge.
> 
> The Cambridge Project aims to pursue questions about the mind within a
> nonreductionist, nonphysicalist framework. It attempts to construct
> alternative ways of looking at the metaphysics of mind which reject (or
> suspend commitment to) the reductionist and physicalist assumptions current
> in contemporary philosophy of mind, while incorporating the insights of the
> sciences of the mind.
> 
> The postdoctoral fellow will work under the supervision of the Project
> Leader, Professor Tim Crane (www.timcrane.com). He/she will pursue their
> own research under the umbrella of this project, attend the weekly seminar
> for the project, and assist the Project Leader in the assessment of
> proposals for support by the project, and in organizing the Project's
> workshops and conferences.
> 
> Successful candidates will be expected to provide evidence of exceptional
> potential for research and publication. They may have publications in
> peer-reviewed journals, though this is not essential; what they will have
> is an ability to think creatively and independently about problems in the
> philosophy of mind, and an ability to interact profitably with empirical
> scientists of the mind, whether or not their own research is
> interdisciplinary. Successful candidates will have a serious interest in
> thinking beyond common physicalist and reductionist paradigms in philosophy
> of mind, and thinking about how nonreductionist ideas might be usefully
> informed by and related to empirical research in psychology and
> neuroscience.
> 
> Eligible applicants will have a PhD in the philosophy of mind or the
> philosophy of psychology. Philosophy of mind here is construed broadly:
> researchers who have worked in any philosophical investigation of the mind,
> from metaphysics and the philosophy of cognitive science to phenomenology,
> are welcome to apply. Candidates will provide a research proposal in any of
> these areas, outlining a one-year research project on themes relevant to
> the project.
> 
> For example, successful candidates may be interested in working on the
> intentional structure of consciousness (from an empirical or
> phenomenological point of view), the relationship between intention and
> action (and their neural embodiment), the phenomena of embodied cognition,
> phenomenal intentionality, intentionality and consciousness in non-human
> subjects, or the role of rationality in demarcating intentional phenomena.
> Many other topics in the philosophy and psychology of intentionality and
> consciousness would be suitable for postdoctoral applicants; but it should
> be emphasized that some interest or involvement in interdisciplinary work
> is desirable.
> 
> Applications must be submitted by Tuesday 14th June 2016, using the
> University's Web Recruitment system. This can be found on the following
> webpage, along with the further particulars:
> 
> http://www.jobs.cam.ac.uk/job/10415/
> 
> Applicants must upload: a CV, two samples of recent work (not exceeding
> 20,000 words in total), a two-page proposal outlining their intended
> research for the period of the fellowship, and a covering letter explaining
> the applicant's interest in the Project.
> 
> Candidates will need to provide contact details of two referees, who will
> be contacted after longlisting. One of these referees should be the
> applicant's PhD supervisor.
> 
> Closing date:  Tuesday 14th June 2016.
> 
> Planned Interview Date: Thursday 30th June 2016
> 
> Fixed-term: The funds for this post are available for 12 months.
> 
> The University values diversity and is committed to equality of opportunity.
> 
> The University has a responsibility to ensure that all employees are
> eligible to live and work in the UK.
> 
> --
> ******************************************************************************************
> Heather Sanderson, Faculty Administrator, Faculty of Philosophy, University
> of Cambridge, Cambridge, CB3 9DA, Tel: (01223) 330525, email:
> hs313 at cam.ac.uk
> 






From rsalomon at u.washington.edu  Tue May 24 17:25:57 2016
From: rsalomon at u.washington.edu (Richard Salomon)
Date: Tue, 24 May 16 10:25:57 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Mahavastu translation by Leumann et al.
In-Reply-To: <CAMGmO4L76zJnwyNBiZ3nV-rpoa56suh8vkLgMH0m2GdpT8WkSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0e72e290-9bb9-8fc3-8f03-8528d1e7ecb2@u.washington.edu>

Right in my own back yard! -- thanks, Jonathan.

Rich

On 5/23/2016 11:40 PM, Jonathan Silk wrote:
> Dear Rich,
> UW owns the book in which this is reprinted:
>
>
>   ??????????.
>   Shiraishi Shindo? Bukkyo?gaku ronbunshu?.
>
>
>     ????, 1897-1987. ; Shindo? Shiraishi, 1897-1987.
>
>
>       1988 Kanagawa-ken Sagamihara-shi : Shiraishi Sumiko, Kyo?bi
>       Shuppansha; ???????? : ????,
>
> Available at East Asia Library - General Stacks (Call Number: 
> BQ126.S562 S55 1988)
>
>
> best, jonathan
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Richard Salomon 
> <rsalomon at u.washington.edu <mailto:rsalomon at u.washington.edu>> wrote:
>
>
>     Dear list members,
>
>     Does anyone have, or know of, a pdf or other copy of the partial
>     translation of the Mahavastu in 3 (?) volumes by Leumann and S.
>     Siraishi? (see a catalogue listing below; full bibliographic
>     information in A. Yuyama, The Mahavastu in Old Palm-Leaf and Paper
>     Manuscripts, pp. xxxiii-xxxiv).
>
>     Thanks in advance,
>
>     Rich Salomon
>
>
>     *
>     Gesamttitel:
>     * 	
>     The Mah?vastu
>     <http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/CMD?MATC=&ACT=SRCHA&REMEMBERFORMVALUES=N&IKT=4070&NOABS=Y&TRM=Maha%CC%84vastu%23%23%23%23%23%23>
>     / Ernst Leumann; Sindo Siraisi [?bers.]
>     *
>     Beteiligt:
>     * 	
>     [?bers.] ;
>     <http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/REL?PPN=327077077&NOABS=Y&MATC=>,
>     1859-1931 [?bers.]
>     <http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/SET=1/TTL=1/REL?PPN=16370709X&NOABS=Y&MATC=>info
>     <http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPN?PPN=16370709X&REC=2>info
>     <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Search?search=Ernst_Leumann>
>     *
>     Ausgabe:
>     * 	
>     Repr.
>     *
>     Erschienen:
>     * 	
>     K?fu : Yamanashi Univ., 19XX-
>     *
>     Sprache(n):
>     * 	
>     Japanisch ; Deutsch
>     *
>     Schriftenreihe:
>     * 	
>     *
>     Anmerkung:
>     * 	
>     Text auf Japanisch und Deutsch
>     *
>     Sonstige Nummern:
>     * 	
>     OCLC: 80269022 see [Suche nach Eintrag in Worldcat]
>     <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/80269022>
>
>     	
>
>     	
>
>     	
>
>     	
>
>     	
>
>     		
>
>     	
>     	
>
>     	
>
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     ----------------------
>
>     Richard Salomon
>     William P. and Ruth Gerberding University Professor
>     Department of Asian Languages and Literature
>     University of Washington, Box 353521
>     Seattle WA 98195-3521
>     USA
>
>
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>
> -- 
> J. Silk
> Leiden University
> Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
> Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
> 2311 BZ Leiden
> The Netherlands
>
> copies of my publications may be found at
> http://www.buddhismandsocialjustice.com/silk_publications.html

-- 
----------------------

Richard Salomon
William P. and Ruth Gerberding University Professor
Department of Asian Languages and Literature
University of Washington, Box 353521
Seattle WA 98195-3521
USA



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From kauzeya at gmail.com  Wed May 25 09:33:07 2016
From: kauzeya at gmail.com (Jonathan Silk)
Date: Wed, 25 May 16 11:33:07 +0200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Perhaps of interest to some: [IIAS Workshop] Indian medicine: Between state and village. Leiden, 23 - 24 June 2016
Message-ID: <CAMGmO4+MewpfSMmD_VOFqkOKk4fOcafjL4DU1czqs7EtLAb-Uw@mail.gmail.com>

I have nothing to do with this and only pass on the mail I received; it
looks to be mostly, but not all, modern...
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Dear Prof. Silk, we would like to invite you to discuss with us the
sensibilities of Indian medicines during the following two-day workshop.
Indian medicine: Between state and village

*Workshop dates*
23 - 24 June 2016

*Venue*
Leiden University. Lipsius building (room 148), Cleveringaplaats 1, Leiden

*Convenor*
Dr Maarten Bode
<http://iias.asia/profile/maarten-bode?utm_source=phplist429&utm_medium=email&utm_content=HTML&utm_campaign=%5BIIAS+Workshop%5D+Indian+medicine%3A+Between+state+and+village.+Leiden%2C+23+-+24+June+2016>,
Adjunct Research Faculty at the Department of Anthropology, University of
Amsterdam, the Netherlands, and Adjunct Faculty at the Institute of
Trans-disciplinary Health Sciences and Technology, Bangalore, India

*The workshop*
Themes to be discussed in the workshop are: Indian medicines as tangible
and intangible heritage; Indian medicines as health security for the poor;
Indian medicines as identity markers (for the nation, for local
communities, and for Westerners in search of Indian spirituality). An
important cross cutting theme is the quest for legitimation and acceptance.
For example by linking Indian medicines to the global project of Evidence
Based Medicine and to Indian knowledge systems. Contributions from medical
anthropology (the actors? point of view) and Science and Technology Studies
(social construction of medical knowledge) are especially welcome. However
papers from other theoretical orientations are also greeted.

An important question is if and how Indian nationalist politics affect the
recognition, ownership, and management of the wide spectrum of traditional
medicines in contemporary India. Social-cultural research shows that on the
national level we see debatable - either unintentional or intentional -
attempts at reifying, ossifying and nationalizing Indian medicines as
Ayurveda. The suggestion is that Ayurveda as India?s national medicine is a
discrete medical system and that it provides the codified substrate for the
many local forms of herbal based Indian medicine practiced to-day. Though
this perspective has been contested as an act of appropriation, labelling
local forms of Indian medicine as Ayurveda can also be seen as an act of
empowerment. What is needed is a dialogue between two important
stakeholders: the Indian state and local communities. By discussing the
interactions between global, national and local forms of Indian medicine
the workshop wants to contribute to such a dialogue.

The meeting, organized by the International Institute for Asian Studies,
the Netherlands, will take the form of a series of discussions of new
academic papers that are submitted in advance of the workshop. A
peer-reviewed selection of the (revised) papers will subsequently be
prepared for publication in the scholarly journal *Asian Medicine:
Tradition and Modernity
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From hhhock at illinois.edu  Thu May 26 15:01:14 2016
From: hhhock at illinois.edu (Hock, Hans Henrich)
Date: Thu, 26 May 16 15:01:14 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Vient_de_para=C3=AEtre?=
Message-ID: <08ECE3AE-7C3D-4E34-9E3A-482C8900BCCE@illinois.edu>

A bit of self-promotion, but I thought the information might be useful:

THE LANGUAGES AND LINGUISTICS OF SOUTH ASIA: A Comprehensive Guide, ed. by Hans Henrich Hock and Elena Bashir. (The World of Linguistics, 7.) Berlin/Boston: De Gruyter Mouton. pp. x, 917. May 2016 (http://www.degruyter.com/view/product/429184)

All the best,

Hans Henrich Hock


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From palaniappa at aol.com  Thu May 26 15:47:28 2016
From: palaniappa at aol.com (Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan)
Date: Thu, 26 May 16 10:47:28 -0500
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[INDOLOGY]_Vient_de_para=C3=AEtre?=
In-Reply-To: <08ECE3AE-7C3D-4E34-9E3A-482C8900BCCE@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <58D59F89-145E-4701-BDC4-BB1E82DD4DB8@aol.com>

Here is the link to the table of contents.

http://www.degruyter.com/dg/viewbooktoc.chapterlist.resultlinks.fullcontentlink:pdfeventlink/$002fbooks$002f9783110423303$002f9783110423303-toc$002f9783110423303-toc.pdf/9783110423303-toc.pdf?t:ac=product/429184

Regards,
Palaniappan

> On May 26, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> A bit of self-promotion, but I thought the information might be useful:
> 
> THE LANGUAGES AND LINGUISTICS OF SOUTH ASIA: A Comprehensive Guide, ed. by Hans Henrich Hock and Elena Bashir. (The World of Linguistics, 7.) Berlin/Boston: De Gruyter Mouton. pp. x, 917. May 2016 (http://www.degruyter.com/view/product/429184)
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Hans Henrich Hock 
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From nmisra at gmail.com  Fri May 27 05:56:23 2016
From: nmisra at gmail.com (Nityanand Misra)
Date: Fri, 27 May 16 11:26:23 +0530
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Citation_for_=E2=80=98kus=C5=ABla=E2=80=99?=
Message-ID: <CAATk=rDz+=fS1K1AdPaNTWW8NJ4EedqefaNy9vi4j99iV5z7XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,

Can somebody help trace the citation for ?kus?la? with the dental consonant
s (sak?ra)?

v?caspatya says
kus?la
kus?la? pu0 kusa b?0 k?lacu . ku??la?abd?rthe bharata? .


?abdakalpadruma says
kus?la?
kus?la?, pu?, (kus + k?lac . yadv? ku??la? nip?tan?t satvam .) ku??la? .
iti ka?a?abd?rthe bharata?

Which is this work referred to as bharata?? Does anybody have a digital
copy or a print copy to help with the precise quotation?

Thanks, Nityanand

-- 
Nity?nanda Mi?ra


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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Sat May 28 23:08:08 2016
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Sun, 29 May 16 09:08:08 +1000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_New_and_extended_version_of_my_film_'Jalam_=E2=89=A0_Chillum'_is_available_for_viewing?=
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrDgJc-87No0aVt5m=5Eg7Z6KEPGJ6vHut5Q8qxgEbsuAw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

I've just uploaded a new and longer version of Episode 3: Jalam ? Chillum.
This is part of the documentary series I am making, which is titled: *Imagining
Sanskrit Land*. These short 5-10 minute films present different aspects of
quotidian life in the 'Sanskrit speaking' village Jhiri, which is located
in Madhya Pradesh, India.

In this episode I wanted to highlight how much effort goes into acquiring
water in a village where running water, or water straight out of the tap in
the house does not exist in any of the 90 dwellings in the village. The
majority of this burden of fetching water falls upon the women and young
girls. In India, many children miss out on an education due to this
responsibility. Some die climbing into wells or, due to heat exhaustion,
they die on the way home when the temperature reaches around 40-50c in the
shade. Thankfully, no one died in the making of this film.


https://www.academia.edu/14968213/Episode_3_-_Jalam_Chillum_-_Filmed_and_Produced_by_Patrick_McCartney

I hope you enjoy it.


All the best,

Patrick McCartney, PhD
School of Culture, History & Language
College of the Asia-Pacific
The Australian National University
Canberra, Australia, 0200


Skype - psdmccartney
Phone + Whatsapp:  +61 414 954 748
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From dchakra at hotmail.de  Sun May 29 06:35:05 2016
From: dchakra at hotmail.de (Dr. Debabrata Chakrabarti)
Date: Sun, 29 May 16 06:35:05 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Hindu Philosophy Early Works to 1800!
Message-ID: <HK2PR03MB18765D80A486DF483ED21571D9440@HK2PR03MB1876.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>


Dear All,

I post here a link of "The Online Book Page" Hindu Philosophy: Early Works to 1800, for use, if anybody in interested.

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubc&key=Hindu%20philosophy%20--%20Early%20works%20to%201800&c=x

Browse subject | The Online Books Page<http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubc&key=Hindu%20philosophy%20--%20Early%20works%20to%201800&c=x>
onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu
Or start at this prefix: /Xam (African people): see San (African people) 0? latitude: see Equator




Regards

Debabrata Chakrabarti






???This body is like a musical instrument; what you hear depends upon how you play it.??? ??? Anandamayi Ma

???Inside every human being there exists a special heaven, whole and unbroken.??? - Paracelsus








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From hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com  Sun May 29 19:34:01 2016
From: hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com (Harry Spier)
Date: Sun, 29 May 16 15:34:01 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF of V. Raghavan book needed
Message-ID: <CAPW7aQG=mmCB25Y+VhAnJOqJDwAs2r9nXVJsHjQ-meLM=bqQNg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Does anyone have a pdf of
Prayers, Praises and Psalms,
Madras 1938 by V Raghavan

Thanks,
Harry Spier


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From emstern at verizon.net  Sun May 29 20:32:26 2016
From: emstern at verizon.net (Elliot Stern)
Date: Sun, 29 May 16 16:32:26 -0400
Subject: [INDOLOGY] PDF of V. Raghavan book needed
In-Reply-To: <CAPW7aQG=mmCB25Y+VhAnJOqJDwAs2r9nXVJsHjQ-meLM=bqQNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <196288D6-F31B-4DE5-BF9E-069F6232B166@verizon.net>

You should be able to download a pdf at Digital Library of India:

 http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/handle/2015/68447 <http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/handle/2015/68447>


Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
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> On 29 May  2016, at 15:34, Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> Does anyone have a pdf of
> Prayers, Praises and Psalms,
> Madras 1938 by V Raghavan
> 
> Thanks,
> Harry Spier
> 
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From alex.watson at ashoka.edu.in  Mon May 30 07:42:17 2016
From: alex.watson at ashoka.edu.in (Alex Watson)
Date: Mon, 30 May 16 10:42:17 +0300
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sanchi University of Buddhist-Indic Studies
Message-ID: <CA+H=kyQLyjb3cL_T_a1oBvkuR36Mxy3EUh=mqMZmLt77gBO6gQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members

A message from the Academic Coordinator of Sanchi University of
Buddhist-Indic Studies.

Yours Alex

-- 
Alex Watson
Professor of Indian Philosophy
Ashoka University
*https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson
<https://ashokauniversity.academia.edu/AlexWatson>*

Dear All,
Sanchi University of Buddhist-Indic Studies, Sanchi, M.P. was established
in the year 2012 by an Act of Govt. of Madhya Pradesh is going to launch
its first academic programmes w.e.f. July, 2016. The Process of admission
is already in progress.
Please circulate the enclosed Poster among various sections of your
esteemed Institution and oblige.
            With regards,
Sukla Mukherjee,
Academic coordinator
   09584144027 ( Bhopal),     09868162354 (Delhi)
www.sanchiuniv.org.in
Email- admission at sanchiuniv.org.in
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From psdmccartney at gmail.com  Mon May 30 08:11:22 2016
From: psdmccartney at gmail.com (patrick mccartney)
Date: Mon, 30 May 16 18:11:22 +1000
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?[INDOLOGY]_Fwd:_New_and_extended_version_of_my_film_'Jalam_=E2=89=A0_Chillum'_is_available_for_viewing?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEzwJrAOr6QafRCB6LOa59Lx+XPXjX12E2rr6G=mQpe9nuh2XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEzwJrAop=BEwtDeBC2fPyA6YSSuT9ruYz=hD4wFUFd1sxhCQA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

Now that my PhD is complete I can get on with some projects that have been
in the 'to do' pile. One such project is the unfunded documentary series
titled: *Imagining Sanskrit Land*. These 5-10 minute films present
different aspects of quotidian life in the 'Sanskrit speaking' village
known as Jhiri, which is located in Madhya Pradesh, India.

In this episode I wanted to highlight how much effort goes into acquiring
water in a village where running water, or water straight out of the tap in
the house does not exist in any of the 90 dwellings in the village. The
burden of fetching water generally falls upon the women and young girls. In
India, many children miss out on an education due to this responsibility.

https://www.academia.edu/14968213/Episode_3_-_Jalam_Chillum_-_Filmed_and_Produced_by_Patrick_McCartney

I hope you enjoy it.


All the best,

Patrick McCartney, PhD
School of Culture, History & Language
College of the Asia-Pacific
The Australian National University
Canberra, Australia, 0200


Skype - psdmccartney
Phone + Whatsapp:  +61 414 954 748
Twitter - @psdmccartney

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From mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com  Tue May 31 09:35:48 2016
From: mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com (alakendu das)
Date: Tue, 31 May 16 09:35:48 +0000
Subject: [INDOLOGY]  Caste system and Buddhism
Message-ID: <20160531093548.12381.qmail@f4mail-235-146.rediffmail.com>



 To All,



          I have heard of   the SardulaKrana episode  in the Buddhist text Divyavadana speaking  on the life of King Trishanku( A chandala by birth) who wishes to marry off his son Sardulakarana to  a Brahmin , and who finds find scant logic in the traditional Hindu  caste system .He says-EkamIdam SarvamekaIdam i.e All are One.



             If anybody can provide any other references from Buddhist literature  showing such egalitarian attitudes.





                                                         ALAKENDU DAS.

                                                       Post-Graduate, Indology.


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From peter.pasedach at googlemail.com  Tue May 31 11:33:27 2016
From: peter.pasedach at googlemail.com (Peter Mukunda Pasedach)
Date: Tue, 31 May 16 13:33:27 +0200
Subject: =?utf-8?B?YmFuZGhhbsSB4bmj4bmtYWthL2JhbmRoxIHhuaPhua1ha2EvcMSBxZvEgeG5o+G5rWFrYQ==?=
Message-ID: <CAE32J=4JPs=-QY__H+zvWgf_JdcpGVW2rJurTANYZRuWwWjSQA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

I am working on the sixth chapter of Ratn?kara's Haravijaya, together with
its commentaries by Alaka and Utpala. It is an ode to ?iva in which he is
praised with reference to a wide variety of systems and their texts known
at that time (Kashmir, 9th century). Thus the commentaries contain many
quotations that Ratn?kara might have had in mind when composing his verses,
quite some of which I haven't been able to identify yet so that I would be
happy for pointers. Here is one:

In verse 170, ending a pa?cabhi? kulakam,

pratipadya ?a?kara bhavantam avyaya?
sukhadu?khamohaparih??acetana? |
vyativ?ttatantumayabandhan???ako
bhagavan bhav?n iva bhavaty a?u? sphu?am || 170 ||

there is mention of a bandhan???aka escaping which the a?u becomes like
?iva. Referring to which the commentators Alaka and Utpala quote the
following:

pr?k?to vaik?ta? c?pi (A, U: caiva) ?ha?k?rika eva ca |
s?ttviko r?jasa? caiva t?masa? c?para? sm?ta? ||
dharm?dharm?tmaka? ceti pa?or bandh???aka? bhavet |
(A, U: dharm?dharmamaya? ceti pa?o? p?????aka? bhavet |)

It has been suggested to me that the quotation might come from a tantric or
?ivadharma milieu.

A parallel idea of eight bondages is described in Kul?r?avatantra 13.90-91,
but the set there is completely different:

gh??? sa?k?  bhaya? lajj? jugups?  ceti pa?cam? |
kula? ??la? tath? j?tir a??au p???? prak?rtit?? || 90 ||
p??abaddha?  p??ur j?eya?  p??amukto  mahe?vara? |
tasm?t p??aharo yas tu sa guru? paramo mata? || 91 ||

Best,

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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Tue May 31 20:04:44 2016
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Tue, 31 May 16 14:04:44 -0600
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Brill MyBook program
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CeH8=qpjNAcfXMEFq=OYhXMwk9EJ0EN043sLHSmG2ko=g@mail.gmail.com>

I've just bought a couple of Brill titles at $25 per book, under their "
MyBook <http://www.brill.com/products/books/brill-mybook>" program.  The
books are well-produced and I would say that the text is indistinguishable
from the expensive hardback editions.  The books I have don't have
illustrations, so the issue of colour->b/w doesn't arise for me.

I'm pleased with these books, and happy to have a Brill book that I can
read physically, and that didn't cost their common eye-watering prices.

I'm lucky in that my university library subscribes to the Brill Online
e-library.  That's what makes this possible.

Best,
Dominik



(Declaration of interest: I am on the editorial board of a book series at
Brill.)

--
Professor Dominik Wujastyk* <http://ualberta.Academia.edu/DominikWujastyk>
Singhmar Chair in Classical Indian Society and Polity
Department of History and Classics <http://historyandclassics.ualberta.ca/>
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From gahapitiyajambu at gmail.com  Tue May 31 23:20:39 2016
From: gahapitiyajambu at gmail.com (Jambugahapitiya Dhammaloka)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 16 11:20:39 +1200
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caste system and Buddhism
Message-ID: <CAB3-o480evV4E03ibu7PcOVXahjh-o_-TBYM6JqZfUZEvmZMww@mail.gmail.com>

 <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>Dear Alakendu Das,

Here are some references from Pali Buddhist canons. 93rd, Assal?yana sutta
and 98th, V?se??ha sutta in Majjhimanik?ya describe the the Buddha's
attitude towards the cast system, 'all are the same by birth and differ by
their deeds'.

http://metta.lk/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/2Majjhima-Nikaya/index.html

Kind regards,

Rev. J Dhammaloka
PhD student,
Department of Mathematics and Statistics,
University of Canterbury,
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From rajam at earthlink.net  Tue May 31 23:39:32 2016
From: rajam at earthlink.net (rajam)
Date: Tue, 31 May 16 16:39:32 -0700
Subject: [INDOLOGY] Caste system and Buddhism
In-Reply-To: <CAB3-o480evV4E03ibu7PcOVXahjh-o_-TBYM6JqZfUZEvmZMww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65F13972-225E-47C7-8AE2-80488DE8FDED@earthlink.net>

This is interesting! The same concept seeps through old Tamil texts. 

Specifically, the Tirukkural (???????????) has a couplet which conveys the same idea:  'all are the same by birth and differ by their deeds?.

However, I?ve never been able to find out what those deeds are!

> On May 31, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Jambugahapitiya Dhammaloka <gahapitiyajambu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  <mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>Dear Alakendu Das,
> 
> Here are some references from Pali Buddhist canons. 93rd, Assal?yana sutta and 98th, V?se??ha sutta in Majjhimanik?ya describe the the Buddha's attitude towards the cast system, 'all are the same by birth and differ by their deeds'.
> 
> http://metta.lk/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/2Majjhima-Nikaya/index.html <http://metta.lk/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/2Majjhima-Nikaya/index.html>
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Rev. J Dhammaloka
> PhD student,
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics,
> University of Canterbury,
> New Zealand.
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