[INDOLOGY] Sandhi breaks in longer meters

Fri Jul 29 01:02:55 UTC 2016

Thank you everyone for your replies.

Harry Spier

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM, victor davella via INDOLOGY <
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> From: victor davella <vbd203 at googlemail.com>
> To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> Cc: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>, indology List List <
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> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:30:25 +0200
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Sandhi breaks in longer meters
> Dear All,
>
> The verse  (with some minor variations) usually cited in grammatical works
> is:
>
> pade tu saṃhitā nityā nityā dhātūpasargayoḥ |
> samāse ca tathā vākye sā vivakṣām apekṣate ||
>
> The text given is the earliest attestation I have found, the Rūpāvatāra
> (p. 6, beginning of the Saṃhitāvatāra).
>
> The optional sandhis are those at word boundaries, including between
> members of a compound, but not within a word or between a root and its
> upasarga. This maxim is at times invoked to explain irregular sandhis in
> Epic/purāṇic texts. Avivakṣā, however, is not a valid justification for
> failing to apply sandhi in verse according the authorities on poetry. Cf.
> Kāvyādarśa 3.159 (Dimitrov's edition).
>
> A look at the various discussions of visandhi, a poetic blemish, will also
> reveal a number of interesting discussions about the application of sandhi
> in verse. For example, in commenting on KĀ 3.161, Ratnaśrījñāna explains
> that the lack of sandhi between the 2nd and 3rd pādas in KA 3.161 (api /
> āsu) should not be viewed as fault. He further bolsters his/Daṇḍin's view
> by citing a verse from the Abhijñāśākuntala 1.19 (tanoti  /  iyam). Similar
> statements are found in other works. There is also a rather lengthy back
> and forth between ālaṅkārikas over the ages concerning the correctness of
> using perfectly valid pragṛhya sandhis (duel endings in ī, ū, and e follwed
> by a vowel) ,but it is perhaps not of immediate interest.
>
> All the Best,
> Victor D'Avella
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Jonathan, the external sandhi is optional according to grammarians,
>> and yet the convention of metrical Sanskrit is that the sandhis are pretty
>> much obligatory.  The break in Sandhi comes after the half-verse or
>> ardha-ṛc in Vedic verses.  Only rarely is there a sandhi break within a
>> metrical line.  On the other hand, there are hyper or double sandhis
>> occasionally in older metrical texts, e.g. saḥ + eṣaḥ > sa eṣaḥ, but
>> metrically occasionally one notices saiṣa, and Pāṇini allows such double
>> sandhis for filling the metrical space (so'ci lope cet pādapūraṇam).
>> Breaking the sandhis in metrical lines is done as part of interpretation,
>> but not as part of recitation, since with broken sandhis, the metrical
>> lines are no longer complaint with rules of a specific meter.
>>
>> Madhav Deshpande
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I hardly dare to comment when my teacher, Madhav Deshpande, is on this
>>> list as well, and what little I know I know from him, but.... I recall very
>>> well learning that external sandhi is, according to the grammarians, always
>>> optional.
>>> Because
>>> One
>>> Can
>>> Always
>>> Speak
>>> Like
>>> This
>>> If
>>> One
>>> Wants
>>> To.
>>> In other words, the use of sandhi is a convention, so the question might
>>> be slightly rephrased as: what are the conventions of the poets, and of the
>>> scribes. No?
>>> (Perhaps, as is quite likely, of course, this was implied in the
>>> question, and I should have kept my ideas to myself.
>>> In
>>> Which
>>> Case,
>>> Sorry ;)
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Valerie Roebuck <
>>> vjroebuck at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Correction: I meant ‘at the end of one line’.
>>>>
>>>> > I’ve just had a quick look at an edition of the Saundaryalaharī, in
>>>> Śikhariṇī (17 syllables to a line), and sandhi is broken only between half
>>>> verses and whole verses. For example, there's a ś  at the end of one
>>>> half-line followed by a c at the beginning of the next.
>>>>
>>>> Valerie J Roebuck
>>>> Manchester, UK
>>>>
>>>> > On 28 Jul 2016, at 15:07, Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Dear list members,
>>>> >
>>>> > In the longer sanskrit meters (Vasantatilaka for examplbe 14
>>>> syllables to a line) is Sandhi broken after each line or only after the
>>>> half verse and end of verse.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you,
>>>> > Vasishtha
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