[INDOLOGY] Unicode Devanagari on Mac
Justin Fifield
aksobhya.buddha at gmail.com
Sat Jul 16 17:24:19 UTC 2016
One can easily make a keyboard with a 'dead key' on Windows using the
Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator
(https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=22339). It is
completely customizable and you can use any keyboard as the basis for
the build. I also use the forward slash for my dead key and find typing
is quite fast.
I haven't tried to incorporate multiple diacritics (before this thread I
didn't think it was possible without specialized fonts). I'm not sure
how that would work.
- Justin Fifield
On 7/16/2016 12:31 PM, George Hart wrote:
> As someone who has worked on Indic fonts (Tamil and Devanagari as well
> as roman transliteration) from the early 80’s and the time of the
> Lisa, I’d like to add my thoughts. It is wonderful to be able to use
> unicode for all the diacritical marks we need for all devices and
> operating systems (though as noted sometimes when you have several on
> the same letter they do not transfer well), but I don’t see that using
> them is particularly easy when you have to press many keys at once.
> Perhaps one can get up to speed this way, but option-(x) is pretty
> unsatisfactory, and option-shift-(x) even more so.
>
> I don’t know all the keyboard layouts that are available for roman
> transliteration of various South Asia languages (and, for this forum,
> Sanskrit especially). I would hope some are easier to use than
> option-shift-(x). The best solution, I think, is to use a dead key.
> That way, you don’t have to keep one key pressed down while you press
> another. I have a very simple keyboard layout for the Mac (which still
> works in Sierra) that uses forward slash as a dead key. /a gives ā, //
> gives /, /r gives ṛ, /h gives ḥ, etc. Any keyboard like this is easily
> constructed using Ukulele, a free Mac app, as many on this forum know.
> If anyone wants to try it out, here it is —
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/twsgq6xayubqbxa/IndianRomanUnicode.keylayout.zip?dl=0.
> It can easily be modified with Ukulele to add, for example, Vedic
> accents. I hope it may prove useful to some scholars. (Unzip the file,
> put it in Library/Keyboard Layouts and activate it in Language and
> Region in System Preferences). Unfortunately, there is no way to get
> it to work in iOS that I have found, and, of course, it doesn’t work
> on Windows, though it should not be too hard to make a similar layout
> for that OS.
>
> I find myself somewhat allergic to Word, whether on Windows or the Mac
> (even the newest version). I use Nisus Writer Pro, which is written
> entirely using the MacOS development system rather than cobbling
> together things that have various other provenances (making Indic
> fonts unworkable on most Mac versions of Word). I find NWP absolutely
> indispensable and recently produced a camera-ready pdf of my
> translation of the Akanāṉūṟu it. I recommend it highly. George
>
>
>> On Jul 16, 2016, at 9:50 AM, David Mellins <dmellins at gmail.com
>> <mailto:dmellins at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd also like to thank everyone who has clarified Sanskrit
>> diacritical inputs in El Capitan. Big relief!
>>
>> David
>> )
>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 7:14 AM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu
>> <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Another happy discovery yesterday was that OpenOffice for Mac is
>> able to display characters with multiple markings like ā̃́, ī̃́,
>> ū̃́, ṝ̃́ etc. So, if one is writing something that needs
>> characters with such multiple markings on Mac, it is possible to
>> do a document in OpenOffice and save it as a pdf to preserve
>> these character-markings. I hope someday MS Word for Mac will be
>> able to do that. At least, for now, we can happily do Unicode
>> Devanagari on MS Word for Mac.
>>
>> Madhav Deshpande
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 1:41 AM, Valerie Roebuck
>> <vjroebuck at btinternet.com <mailto:vjroebuck at btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, It took me a while to work that out. I was on the phone
>> to a baffled person at Apple trying to explain about my
>> Sanskrit diacritics no longer working when the penny suddenly
>> dropped.
>>
>> Valerie J Roebuck
>> Manchester, UK
>>
>>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 03:38, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu
>>> <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Hans,
>>>
>>> Evidently the ABC Extended Keyboard on El Kapitan operating
>>> system is the same as the US Extended Keyboard on Maverick
>>> and older operating systems, with just a different name.
>>>
>>> Madhav
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Hock, Hans Henrich
>>> <hhhock at illinois.edu <mailto:hhhock at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you tried the US Extended keyboard, Madhav?
>>>
>>> I use Times New Roman, which works very well with unicode
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 16:25, Madhav Deshpande
>>> <mmdesh at umich.edu <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hans,
>>>>
>>>> Just tested your suggestions with ABC Extended
>>>> keyboard layout, and this does work in TextEdit and in
>>>> Gmail, but not in MS Word. I tried to copy and paste
>>>> from EextEdit into Word, and the Word was not able to
>>>> show the stacking of three diacritics like ā̃́. Glad to
>>>> know that such combinations are possible at least on
>>>> some platforms. Thanks, Hans, for solving one of my
>>>> long-standing problems. With best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Madhav
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Madhav Deshpande
>>>> <mmdesh at umich.edu <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Hans,
>>>>
>>>> Which keyboard-layout are you using to produce
>>>> these characters?
>>>>
>>>> Madhav
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Hock, Hans Henrich
>>>> <hhhock at illinois.edu <mailto:hhhock at illinois.edu>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Madhav,
>>>>
>>>> Though there may be some limitations on
>>>> stacking, it is possible to produce the
>>>> following symbol on the Mac (still system
>>>> 10.9.5): ā̃́. The first diacritic (the macron)
>>>> is accessed by typing option a + a; the other
>>>> two diacritics by entering shift-option n and
>>>> shift-option e AFTER having typed assembled the
>>>> basic ā character. This post-character
>>>> shift-option input procedure doesn’t seem to be
>>>> well advertised; I more or less stumbled upon
>>>> it in some university’s instructions for its
>>>> faculty.
>>>>
>>>> There is one concern, however: While ā and the
>>>> like is treated as a single glyph in unicode
>>>> and thus transfers well between
>>>> unicode-compatible platforms, more complex
>>>> character, such as ā́, ā̃, or ā̃́, are not
>>>> single glyphs and may therefore not transfer
>>>> across platforms. We ran into this problem in
>>>> producing the documents from which the new
>>>> South Asia volume in the series World of
>>>> Linguistics have been printed, and the only
>>>> thing that we could do was submit a pdf-version
>>>> indicating the desired character shape.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Jul 2016, at 13:13, Madhav Deshpande
>>>> <mmdesh at umich.edu <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is a question as to how to get multiple
>>>>> markings on the same vowel sign. In my
>>>>> pre-Unicode diacritics font Manjushree-CSX, I
>>>>> had included, for instance, the sign for vowel
>>>>> "a" with three markings, length, nasality and
>>>>> accent. This is necessary to represent
>>>>> Pāṇinian procedures accurately. Pāṇini deals
>>>>> with eighteen varieties of "a, i, u, ṛ" etc.
>>>>> differing in length, accent and nasality. Is
>>>>> there a way to do this with unicode fonts and
>>>>> keyboards?
>>>>>
>>>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Jeffery Long
>>>>> <dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com
>>>>> <mailto:dharmaprof108 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The ABC Extended keyboard on the Mac is
>>>>> good for all diacritical marks. Combining
>>>>> the option key with a gives the macron: ā,
>>>>> ī, etc. Option + x = underdot: ṃ, ṣ, etc.
>>>>> Option + w = overdot: ṅ. Option + e =
>>>>> accent mark: ś. Tilde is of course option
>>>>> + n: ñ.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> Dr. Jeffery D. Long
>>>>> Professor of Religion and Asian Studies
>>>>> Elizabethtown College
>>>>> Elizabethtown, PA
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, July 15, 2016 9:17 AM, Jonathan
>>>>> Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:kauzeya at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe indeed I'm missing something but the
>>>>> Asian Extended keyboard (made, if I am not
>>>>> wrong, by Nobumi Iyanaga) works perfectly
>>>>> for diacritics, no mess, no fuss.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Madhav
>>>>> Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu
>>>>> <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>> The old Easy Unicode
>>>>> keyboard-layout does work on my Mac
>>>>> that has the latest operating system
>>>>> and the latest MS Office 360. Try
>>>>> reinstalling the keyboard file, if you
>>>>> have it. If not, I can send it to
>>>>> you. Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Madhav
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:44 AM, David
>>>>> Mellins <dmellins at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:dmellins at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, This is true, but have you
>>>>> found a convenient way to enter
>>>>> the full range of diacritica for
>>>>> Romanized Sanskrit without having
>>>>> to resort to Emoji/Latin/favorites
>>>>> inserts?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not the worst thing in the
>>>>> world, but slower than the old
>>>>> Easy Unicode or Dev Unicode keyboards.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 8:37 AM,
>>>>> Dominik Wujastyk
>>>>> <wujastyk at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:wujastyk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm shocked. I don't pay much
>>>>>> attention to the Mac world, but
>>>>>> I've been typing Devanagari into
>>>>>> everything on my computer for
>>>>>> many years (Linux). I had no
>>>>>> idea that this wasn't possible or
>>>>>> easy on a Mac. Wow. And the Mac
>>>>>> used to be the byword for
>>>>>> multilingual support. I'm glad
>>>>>> it's okay now, at least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dominik
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 July 2016 at 12:58, Madhav
>>>>>> Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu
>>>>>> <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Indologists,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To my happy surprise, I
>>>>>> found that with the
>>>>>> combination of the latest
>>>>>> version of Microsoft Office
>>>>>> 360 for Mac and the latest
>>>>>> Mac Operating System OS X El
>>>>>> Capitan, it is now possible
>>>>>> to directly enter Unicode
>>>>>> Devanagari in a Word document
>>>>>> with the Devanagari - QWERTY
>>>>>> keyboard layout. Previously,
>>>>>> I had to enter Unicode
>>>>>> Devanagari in something like
>>>>>> TextEdit and then copy and
>>>>>> paste into a Word document,
>>>>>> but was not able to edit it
>>>>>> in the Word document. The
>>>>>> new development of software
>>>>>> has happily changed that
>>>>>> situation. Hope this
>>>>>> information will be of use to
>>>>>> some of you. Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Madhav Deshpande
>>>>>>
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